Everything Is Everything & That’s Everybody! W/ Optimystic Banks

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Doors inside your mind, the ordinary farm behind color swirl
the stars line in the Meta Mysteries, you'll find Welcome
to Meta Mysteries, where you don't know what you don't know.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
My name is Jonathan, and tonight is wonder weisday Baby.
It is the live show here for Meta Mysteries time
and tonight, of course we had to bring back our
boy Banks. Welcome back Optimistic Banks.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
My good sir, Yeah, Sarah, good to be here. You
guys have been posting some really really cool, fun, interesting
esoteric witchery stuff and I just I've been having so
much fun following you guys along.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Heir.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Hell, we appreciate that, man, I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, we're just trying to get at the core what
is the underlying tone to all of this stuff? And
it is making so much more sense. And I gotta say,
ever since you've come on to this show and you've
explained the world a little bit differently, things just seem
to click into place a little bit easier now, you know, yeah,

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it's great. So anyhow, welcome to the to the live show, everybody.
It's gonna be a fun night tonight. I'm sure we're
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You actually be able to be a part of the show.
And so we appreciate everybody that has been doing so already.
But yeah, I mean, we've been having some awesome shows
here lately, dude. And just the other night we had
Lord Byron on the show and Eric Quedding on the show.
I mean, dude, I'm talking about like literally wrote books

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on magic.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
It's really fun seeing not only your Guys podcast, but
all the other podcast is too, that we're all kind
of connecting and like seeing. You know, I've been on
podcasts where Robert Grant's been on and like you know,
The Forbidden Knowledge, you know, Billy Carson, all those guys,
and it's like we're all kind of starting to spin
around the same circle. Now, guys, well done.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
Oh for sure, dude. Yeah, it's interesting how that how
that works out, right, you start looking into something and
then your tribe kind of just appears.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, you know, I think it was you know Young
who said Carl Young Psychologists who said, uh, you know,
when you do work on yourself consciously, inevitably, like unknown
allies will begin to appear.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
Mm hmmm. Yeah. Yeah, it's some magic to that for sure.
Oh dude.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, there's something about just making conscious decisions, you know
that it completely changes your life instead of just accepting
everything that's right in front of you the way It
is nothing wrong with that either, but no, like.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
It's taking back the creative force of your life. Rather
than reality happening to you now, it's happening from you, right,
And it's yeah, that creative force of intention and action
and like that continuation, you know, dude.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
And it's so interesting too, like even though you know,
we've been covering these things and I and I feel
like I've got a pretty good understanding of what's possible
as far as transmuting a situation or just you know, uh,
changing my mindset just enough to go through a situation,
you know, with it at least the most ease is possible.
And then still have those days where it's like today sucks,

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you know, like it's just.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
The beauty of the yin and the yang Man's like
no matter, you will never find the one and only
answer because guess what, everything has to have its opposite.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Yeah, and I feel like when that happens, it's like, Okay,
there's something I needed to learn here obviously because I
didn't understand that aspect of it. You know, otherwise I
would have been able to just transmute it and whatever.
You know.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah, it's a big part of the letting go process, right,
is just accepting that that existence as a paradox.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Yes it is.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
It is an illusion. It is real, yes, uh dude.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
And you need like you need the down time to
be able to really fully thrust yourself into the go time.
You know, like there's been times where whether you know,
if I'm if I'm on a diet or if you know,
if I'm really on my on my shit as far
as staying up with with the shows and guests and
really trying to hammer out as much information as we

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possibly can and really try and understand as much as
we can. And I feel like, you know, there's there's
always going to be peaks and valleys to every single thing,
Like there's there's there's always going to be the highs
and the lows, and the level of excitement even it
it fluctuates, but yeah, man, it's just you know, once
once you kind of get on this track of trying

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to understand it all, dude, the highs are the high
it's like higher highs all the time.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Well, there's like another level to it, right where it's like,
oh my god, there's so much to know, so I'll
never really understand it. But at the same time, there's
so little to know because I'm everything. And it's like
the difference between like writing the illusion, experiencing the illusion
versus trying to study the illusion, right, because that's almost folly.

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That's almost because any anything you study, you will will
you will find an infinite wormhole. Yeah right, So it's like,
what's the it just have fun.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
You may as well. And I do feel like there's
some there's some underlying Like every single thing that we've uncovered,
we've been able to look at it through a specific
lens in in which it all makes sense if you
look at it through a certain lens. So for example,
like you know, we've we've looked at things through a
pantheistic view, and that applies to just about everything. And

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I don't even know where it doesn't apply, to be
honest with you, like with if everything is everything and
and this is how magic works, and this is how
witchcraft works, this is how religion works. And you know
what I'm saying, like absolutely you can apply yourself in
that sense. And so just the other night, we had
the magician guy along with Lord Byron on the show

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the other night. And this guy he's like super famous
within magic. His name is Eric Kuetting and very fascinating individual.
I think he said he wrote over thirty books on magic,
which is crazy, right and and very knowledgeable dude. He
said during one of his if if it wasn't his
first it was one of his first rituals that he

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had ever done. And he said that he was calling
upon I don't know, some demon that he was working with.
I can't remember what his name was, King Pymon. Damn,
I don't know where that just came from. But he
was working with this this deity named King Pymon or whatever.
And so he, you know, he did the whole ritual.
He did the circle and then you know, the star
and the lighting the candle and whatever he was doing, right,

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and he said that the demon appeared and and it
almost like frightened him a little bit because he was like, wow,
I didn't think that that was gonna work that way
or whatever. Right, almost frightened him a little bit. And
the demon asked him what his name was, and he goes,
my name is yode Vave, and dude, the demon responded
as if he was God. And I was like, oh

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my god, this is pantheasm all over the fucking place
right now.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Wow, that's very interesting. I actually really like that take. Yeah.
I was actually recently doing some energy work with somebody
activating their sacral chakra and I got a download that
we were gonna challenge Channel the Tiger spirit animal within them.
And then like I was like doing all this crazy

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energy work and like reiki work. It was all virtual, right,
And then I was like lighting these incense and then
my smoke alarm went off, which it never does, and
it was like all this and it was it happened
just at the moment where I said, we're calling upon
the flame of the tiger. Then my smoke alarm went off,
and then like the rage of the tiger manifested into

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my roommate, who like came at me with like a rage.
And I was just like and I just kind of
witnessed it all and let it all kind of like settle.
And I was just like whoa, Like that really just
fucking happened right now.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
That was really cool.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
Wow, channeling that spirit of fire in your smoke detectors, Like, hey, hey,
what's going on here?

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
I mean, dude, the trip that is that is kind
of crazy. And what's funny is is is that kind
of like a like a Chinese astrology kind of situation.
Is that what y'all were doing?

Speaker 4 (09:34):
No, I mean it, I was just doing a lot
of the energy work that I do is in like
kind of like visualizing and reiki work and helping people
kind of visualize the energy moving through their body. And
a lot of times when I do that, uh, it
appears to me as animals that move the energy. Sometimes

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not all the time, I never know like how it
comes into me. Sometimes I see dragons doing like a
kundalini kind of a thing. And then this one, it
was just when I had my eyes closed, very vivid,
a tiger came in and so I was doing a
ritual of like, Okay, we're gonna call upon your tiger.
You know, imagine yourself walking in a forest and the
tiger comes up to you. You're not afraid of it,

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You're walking side by side with it. We're like doing
all these kind of like visualization things as I'm like,
you know, moving around the energy and doing reyki and
lighting incense, and it was all just like exploded.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
That energy was just built up into that room at
that point. Yeah, dude, I believe that has to be
a real thing, right, Like if we are, you know,
part of the All, right then, and if the All
created everything, then that magic or power or energy or
whatever definitely would have to reside within us. And if

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all we are is essentially like just like I don't know,
look at us, maybe like we're these magic crystals in
a sense, and but we have the we have the
ability to speak, or we have the ability to manifest
by speaking at that point, and we're just we're just
like these power or frequency generators. That it's so interesting
to look at it through that lens because I think

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that if you're doing that, it's almost like you start
to slow down every time you come to speak it
because you realize the power of your words in that sense,
and of your thoughts too, I think.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, and that's you start to realize why like the
Eastern monks, you know, they take a lot of them
take vows of silence and it or they're just very quiet.
And it's not just because they're like I don't want
to say anything. It's because they know how powerful their
words are, especially to people coming to them to seek
spiritual help. Right, so they're like very careful about each
word that they speak, and they'll really think about it

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before they speak it, and all these kind of things.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
You know, Oh dude, if and we've talked about Pythagoras,
you used to have like this this number cult right,
And in order to get into his cult, you had
to go so in years without saying a word. That
was just to be initiated. Seven years of not saying anything.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Wow, there's some power there, man, when you when you
sit in silence, you know, I think that's when, you
know a lot of the mystical things start to happen
when you really quiet everything down. Dude. I mean that's
why we meditate every episode, you know, because there is
definitely some significance to being able to channel all that
is you into one idea or one thought and kind
of let you know see where that goes.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah, that's the purpose of the Dark Knight of the Soul, right,
Like why we all kind of have to like, you know,
regress kind of like go into a cave, go into
a cocoon, because you know, we grew up in a
world where everybody's telling us who we are, which is
like really influencing who we think we are. So we
have to kind of like go off by ourselves, off
into the forest, off into our room, you know, wherever
it might be, to kind of only listen to myself

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and remember who I am, you know.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
Yeah, that's that's for sure. That's a real thing, man,
it really is. Yeah, so super.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Markey said something interesting. H first off said, what up everyone,
Thank you guys for coming and hanging out with us tonight.
This is one of the biggest crowds we've we've had
for the show, So thank you guys.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
Need I needed this tonight. I needed it after a
day like today. I really needed tonight the wonder wizday.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Oh dude, same we Uh we went to go eat
some Chinese buffet earlier and uh, you know, tiger or
what it put me into the hibernating tiger. Uh kind
of scent, but uh but yeah, we do. We went home,
we took like a two and a half hour nap
and woke up like twenty minutes before the show. I
was like, holy shit, I'm happy. Like I don't know

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how I just woke up because that was perfect timing.
I probably could have slept all through the night. But
but yeah, anyway, Marky said, uh, what is the flame
of the tiger? Very interested, as I do reiki as well.
I'm a fire tiger in Chinese astrology.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Oh interesting, So I mean, uh, you know, I wasn't
using traditional reiki. I mean, I am a level three,
you know, master reiki practitioner, I wasn't using I don't
use traditional reiki man our little you know, chalk chalk today,
chalk today, chalk today, that kind of stuff. And you know,
but like I was working with the sacral chakra, right,
which is the orange chakra, which is I'm assuming why

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the tiger came to me? Right, and uh, I just
do a lot of you know, kind of how I
see the world is how inside out right, Like why
is the tiger orange? Why does it have two eyes?
Why does it walk this way? Like? And it's all
the representation of how it manifested into existence, and that's

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what they represent essentially, right, So, like a tiger is
kind of like a sensual being, which is also sacral
chakra sensuality. They are very creative, they're loners all these
kind of things. So the flame of the dragon, I
guess I don't. I just I was just channeling, bro
and it just came to me. And when I'm doing that,
I kind of just let it flow, you know what I.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Mean, don't resist it, man, Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
I was I was just looking up how people are
able to calculate like there and we've done a show
on Chinese astrology and stuff like that. But their new
year starts on a the is it the first full
moon of the year, because it's based upon the Chinese
lunar calendar.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
So yeah, that's I'm a water dragon.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, I'm a golden horse. I just just found that
one out. But so Sean, just out of curiosity. So
you would be.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
Rabbit, but I don't know, I could be wrong.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
You were born in eighty seven, yes, sir, yes, so
you would be a rabbit. And I'm trying to figure
out which if you were fire or metal or something
like that. But anyway, Oh, so you're a rabbit, you said,
here we go, So the rabbit of nineteen eighty seven
would be a fire rabbit.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
Hey, all right, I'll take it. Heh yeah, hell yeah,
all right.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
So yeah, anybody else is interested, we can look that
up too. That's it's pretty cool looking at it, especially.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
It is man and you you you can pull information
from all that stuff. Like you know, again, like I've
always said, like being a mystic, I really believe in,
you know, taking what resonates and leaving the rest, not
judging anything, not being like, oh I'm not gonna learn
anything from this because this is because the rest of
it's too weird. Like nah, like you know, we we
we can kind of like pick and choose what resonates

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with us to kind of build our own truths, you know.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
Yeah, dude, Yeah, it is makes too much sense, you know.
But for some people that's just crazy. Dude, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
They don't if people don't know that they're God yet,
that's crazy talk, right, you know that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
I love saying that too, because it's it's almost like
some people get a little antsy when you say, what
do you say we're God?

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Because because we are and we aren't, So I ain't
mad at him for getting a little triggered by it.
But you know, we are the imaginer and the imagination
and to be to make a creation, you have to
let go of it at the illusion of letting go
of it, right.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Which does make sense too, especially with the like the
double slit experiment, you know, just the fact that just
by us looking at photons going through a slit would
cause them to react a little bit differently. I mean,
does that I don't know, is that something that God
would be able to do just by looking at something
would be able to manipulate the outcome.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
I think that that's the infinite nature of the holographic universe, right.
It's like, so because there's so much infinite free will,
it's like if we take that all the way full circle,
it's almost like there is no free will. That's where
you get back to the N and yang again, that
there is and there isn't, right, because it's so infinite

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that within everything infinite, it's perfect. Still, it's pretty wild.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Oh yeah, dude, Yeah, it's so wild. How I just
love learning about all this stuff. As a matter of fact,
there was this I made this video the other day
for our TikTok or Instagram and it was about eclectic
witchcraft and just trying to find it so people would
understand what it means. I mean, to be honest and
to be fair, we didn't know what it meant before
we did that that episode on it. Yeah, because there's

(18:08):
so many different types of witchcraft. You would never even guess, dude, Like,
there are so many different types, you know, And so
we were covering it and we made that video and
and somebody was like, but why do you got to
put a name on it? I was like, you don't
have to I mean, I'm just saying that this is,
you know, how it is defined, that's all.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
And then I just showed that person where they need
some healing.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, I mean it's like, look, if you want to
be like Kevin Gates and say I know there's a
name for it, but I don't know what to call it,
that's totally fine too. But it almost reminded me of
like the term paganism. It kind of bothers me a
little bit because it's too much of a catch all term,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
It's like, oh yeah, and I think that we've grown
up kind of in a you know, anglos, let's say,
Christian kind of you know, background of society. Right, So
it's like when you hear that, we almost naturally get triggered, like, oh,
that's like anti Christian or something, or anti good or
something like that. Right.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
That's what I'm saying to to all non Jews. We're
all gentiles, but to be called a gentile, you're like, wait,
I don't I don't want to be called something a
name that you made up for me because I don't
apply to your your philosophy and your religious thing.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
You know. I mean I think that's why we don't
even need to be triggered, you know, because you're listening
to somebody call you something that exists only in their
worldview and not in yours, and so within your worldview,
that's kind of irrelevant. Yeah you're going to hell, No,
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
I mean, And you know, the more I think the
more that you awaken, let's say, the more you become enlightened,
the less opinionated you become. You're just like, okay, cool, yeah,
you dandy. You are who you are. I think that's beautiful.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
And if you don't love me for who I am,
that's cool too. You know, I don't have any opinions
about it.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
Mm hmm. Yeah. What I do usually is, you know,
if someone's talking to me about, you know, what they
believe in, I just tell them they're right, you know,
like yeah, you're probably oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
That's that's like the real job of the mystic right
is to become like a window or a mirror, right, like,
really help them see what they're creating, m because that's
because it's them too, you know.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Well, and that's something that we found out too. It's
like if you go around and tell everybody what you are.
They're going to come up with a million ways to
tell you why you're not that and U or why
you're wrong or or something like that. And I've really
gotten into the modality of just like, you know, I'm
not trying to preach from the rooftops, you know, all

(20:42):
of this stuff about like you know what what we
understand and you know, how we kind of look at
the world and stuff like that. I'm almost like, I'll,
you know, if somebody asks, I'll, I'll say it, but
I'm no longer like trying to convince anybody about it.
And it's almost like, I imagine that's what the the
ancient mystics probably did too.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
It wasn't like going around prostlytizing saying you are God,
you forgot I can't believe you forgot, but you know
what I mean, I imagine they probably aren't doing that.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
I think that's why they would call it like the initiated,
because you're not, you know, trying to force somebody to
believe that you are looking for that now, you know
what I mean, And that's when the information comes because
now you're open to even looking into something other than
what you already knew.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Yeah, And I think in ancient times, and we might
have touched on this before, but I feel like in
ancient times, you know, because they were so much more
connected to nature, it was pretty obvious to them that
they could kind of go outside and be like, oh,
I see the metaphors and everything, right, Like, oh, there's
one son, but there's like infinite plants, and like they're
all growing different ways, but they're all reaching for the

(21:47):
same sun. Like what right, you know, there's kind of
a metaphor in there, right, that it's like one thing
expressed in infinite ways and that that kind of stuff,
And just I think that the mystics of you know,
when when babies would come into the world, they were like,
well you made it all right, another another one of us,
another god incarnate? How cool?

Speaker 5 (22:09):
Right? And that was Yeah. I was gonna ask you
about that actually because I actually not to cut you off,
but I saw a video of some guy, you know,
and it looked like he probably comes from a particular faith,
but he's like on his way out, you know, and
he was like before all of these structured religions came
about and all the different you know, teachings and writings
and what were people believing in, you know, And then

(22:31):
I was gonna ask like, what do you think as
far as that goes, like is it just deeply ingrained
in us to look at something higher than us? Or
or do you think like you just said, like, you know,
we we kind of just understood nature, you know, and
kind of went yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
I think I think it's both like like, you know,
it's the paradox at the end of the Yang, and
but also just thought like, okay, let's take it back
to like tribalism. You know, it was very much I
believe that they look around and they understood that they
were the earth, right that they they understood they looked
at their skin and the you know, brown skin, brown earth,

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and they could tell that they had two eyes and
the fox had two eyes, that there is a connection there, right,
And there was just kind of, you know, just a
very simple understanding of how everything was was connected. And
you know, they had medicine men shamans who would have
visions and go into the unseen realms, and then they

(23:30):
would express that through song and dance and painting and
all of those things basically kept on manifesting outward infinitely
in different versions of things. And but that's basically what's
still happening now, you know, it's just evolved.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
Indeed, dude.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
You know what's funny too is speaking of you know,
maybe the elders or the shamans or whatever of that
of those times and just understanding how they were able
to make certain certain magical things from regular elements. So
for example, I just I just saw a video of
Terrence mckinna and and he was talking about like, you know,

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what's crazy is is that there are there are two
main compounds within ayahuasca. One comes from bark and one
comes from something else, and singularly, by themselves, they are unactivated,
like they they do nothing by themselves. But somehow these
people knew to combine these two elements and it would

(24:31):
give you a psychedelic run for your life. It's like,
there would be no reason to combine these two But
where did they Where did they come up with the
idea to do so?

Speaker 5 (24:41):
It wasn't an accident?

Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yeah, and I believe that the tribes say that the
plants told them.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, dude, like what the plants you see?

Speaker 4 (24:53):
And it's funny because I work with a lot of
people and a lot of people have, you know, a
fear based mentality of spiritual stuff. A lot of people
are worried of even you know, doing things with nature,
and like, you know, how do you know that? You
know when you do mushrooms that the mushrooms aren't lying
to you, right, like things like that, And I'm like, yo,
they don't even have that concept, right right, well, they

(25:15):
don't even know what lying is. Only we know what
that is saying.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
And you know what's funny too about that is when
someone's lying to you, for the most part, you kind
of we're good at that. We're good as human beings.
I think we're really good at kind of catching catching
that kind of stuff. But when you're getting messages and
you're getting some type of understanding of something, it just
feels true, you know.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
So dude, I actually I've really been kind of going
and spending my own mind a little bit just about
like aliens and stuff here lately, right, and it almost
seems like forget the idea of aliens and maybe let's
just look at it like it's just consciousness. Yes, And

(25:58):
because the crazy thing is is that I've had some
crazy experiences on DMT and mushrooms and four eco DMT
and like all these wild things that seem very alien,
and it seems like I'm having conversations with something outside
of me that is of a higher realm. Let's just

(26:18):
say that. And some people might say, well, that was angels,
or that was aliens, or that was you know, what
have you. Maybe it was your ancestors or something like that.
It's like, man, I don't know. Maybe it's possible that
aliens could be coming from another planet. I'm not gonna
say it's impossible, but I think that it's more than

(26:39):
likely that these things are almost just existing interdimensionally. They're
existing within the ether. It's just fucking consciousness and information
that is out there. It's unseen to our human naked eye. Like,
what is your concept an understanding of aliens in general?

Speaker 4 (26:54):
I love everything that you just said. Yeah, and that's
why it is a projection of consciousness. And that's why
the videos are always grainy. They seem to be just
out of reach, right, that's not a coincidence. It's because
it is a projection of consciousness how we're perceiving them.
And I also like to think of the Earth as
like you know, a body and a mind, right, and
that like we are, we are part of that. So

(27:16):
you know, these higher beings, let's say, they're almost like
the the higher understanding of the mind that maybe hasn't
really become conscious yet, and so it's like, you know,
it's a foreign idea to our mind. So when that
is created in a physical reality, our mind will create

(27:40):
that feeling in the physical form to make it look strange,
look foreign. It's above us, it's just out of reach.
It's all kind of like a reflection of like new downloads,
new ideas, kind of coming into being. It's one way
of looking at it. But I think, yeah, I think

(28:01):
that generally speaking, people have been seeing alien since the
beginning of time. Maybe not immateial, but definitely in meditation. Yeah,
like meditation, prayer, visions, this kind of stuff, you know,
and that you know, they aren't coming down to us,
We are raising up to them, which is why they're

(28:21):
becoming more and more material.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Makes sense. Yeah, And we've talked about that with like
red shifting and blue shifting, which is essentially raising your
vibration or they them lowering their vibration and meeting you
in the middle kind of in that sense, dude. But
what's weird is is that you know, we've gone outside
and we've seen like wild orbs, bro like things that
are not camera flair as I'm talking about, Like we

(28:45):
were able to see these things with our eyes, and uh,
we don't know exactly what the hell we're looking at.
It almost just looks like these iridescent bubbles like Glenda
the the fucking Goodwitch or whatever her name was. It's like,
I don't know what they are.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
But what do you think that is?

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Like have you seen one of these orbs?

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Like you go, I see them all the time. You know,
my friend Sean Life Pat thirty three, my other buddy Sean,
you know, he's an et soul and anytime we go out,
you know, do psychedelic trips or just you know, camping
trips or even just out in the middle of Hollywood,
he can like point them out and call them in
and they come closer and closer. And I think that
you know that this is in a way kind of

(29:26):
like a simulation, kind of like a holographic simulation, so
that you know, they render differently as you approach. Right,
So like if you look at the planets, let's say
through like a camera at planet Earth, like it'll they'll
appear as like orbs of light with like different frequencies.
But then perhaps if we send a satellite out there,

(29:49):
as that satellite gets closer and closer, it renders as
a physical planet. I think that there's a bit of
a video game kind of a thing going on with
this as well. You know, not to say that it
all still is. God, it all still is, And it's
a very fun simulation illusion that we're being immersed in.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, I mean, I'm just trying to figure it all
out my damn self. And it does seem like, you know,
if you're in that calm or high vibing or meditative
state and you go outside, like, dude, if you go
outside as soon as you're done meditating and look up
at the night sky, you're almost guaranteed to see one.
Oh and what's that about?

Speaker 4 (30:26):
You know?

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Is it because you're you're lifting You lifted yourself up
vibrationally that allowed these things to be able to become
a little bit more visible.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yeah, because I think that they they don't communicate with
like verbal language the way that we do. So it's
almost like as we elevate our consciousness. We're getting to
a place where we can communicate. And even if it
doesn't seem like you're communicating, you know, it's again it's
beyond spoken language, so you are communicating. It might not
even be conscious. It might slowly come up later from

(30:57):
the subconscious.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Yes, dude, just think about you know, how you how
you feel when you see something like that, Like it
still amazes me to see anything like that. Like I
used to look for these things all the time, like
way before we started doing the podcast, and it was
more along the lines like, of course there's aliens, you know,
like in my mind, of course there's aliens. Of course
there's but I think I was thinking more of like
the nuts and bolts aspect of it, right, you know,

(31:20):
and that they're coming here, and you know. And then
and I never saw anything anything of interest, any orbs,
anything like that. And then we start kind of diving into,
you know, what we've been looking into, and all of
a sudden things start to happen, you know, and it's like, oh,
this isn't what I thought it was at all. And
the feeling that you get when you see something like that,
where something just gets super bright out of nowhere and

(31:44):
then just dims out, or or you see a flash
of light and it's like, what was that? You know
what I mean? That was definitely not a satellite. It
wasn't a star or some some you know, uh, I
don't know, just a random light in the sky. It
was like a like a intentional Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
And I think that I think that the timing of
all this is really perfect. And the way that they
are let's say, kind of exposing themselves to us is
really perfect because you know, what I'm really passionate about
is that now that we know you know that obviously
that's aliens, interventional higher consciousness beings are real, they visit us.
There's advanced technology. Now we know that this is real.

(32:21):
You know, we we're all starting to comprehend that we've
kind of had this lost century of like physical technology advancement.
It's all been kind of a digitized advancement, you know,
and that these you know, the powers that be, private corporations,
you know, dark forces, whatever you want to call it,
that they got these advanced technologies that could really change
the world. That you know, free energy, like you know,

(32:45):
airplanes would be obsolete, you know, ending world hunger like
every and this is being held back from us, and
I think that you know, them making themselves more and
more prevalent, is bringing these type of conversations to the forefront,
which is we need, we need to bring the power back.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
With that dude, it's almost like it just reminds me
of that stick song. And I'm a huge Steelers fan,
so it's our fight song. But it's like, uh, the
jig is up. No, the jig is up, the news
is out. They finally found me. It almost just reminds
me of something like that's what's going on with the
alien kind of stuff, because you were saying it is

(33:24):
very peculiar timing that it's happening way more now than
than in the in our lives, the you know, the
all the past of our lives.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Definitely, Man, as you awaken, the world awakens. It's not
a surprise, right, It's like as you like, you know,
we grew up watching ancient Aliens and knowing nine to
eleven was an inside job and all that kind of
crazy conspiracy stuff. But then you have a spiritual awakening
and you're like, oh, it's all connected, holy shit.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
And it's so much more than that. It's so much
more than that.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
But it yeah, and then you're like okay, yes, yes, yes,
now what now what can I do? But it does
seem like to awaken and as you all these ideas
start to forming, it's manifesting in reality.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
You know what though, And we're gonna be having a
guy on that's gonna he's gonna be coming on in
a couple of weeks and he along with a bunch
of people in his crew, they go out to the
deserts and you know, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and they
do like the CE five kind of stuff from Steven Greer, right,
but they are like gung ho for sure that the

(34:29):
orbs that you're seeing up in the sky are the
tall whites.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Then you get you talk to our boor electro Nick, well,
they're for sure Pleaadians. And you talk to some other
people there for sure demonic and you talk to some
other people there for sure angels, right, or put whatever
flair you want on it. I mean, I don't know
what to do with it or what to call them.
Does it even matter what we call them or where

(34:52):
they come from.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Or it matters how you feel about it and the
energy that you're sending to it, because that's the timeline
that you're going to enter. All possibilities exist. I know,
it's crazy. They all exist. You get to choose.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Yeah, it is kind of crazy. It feels like that too, though,
you know what I'm saying, Like it almost showing.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
You the infinite possibilities. Do you want it to be
an angel? Do you want it to be a demon?
Do you want it to be a cool alien you're
gonna be friends with? Are you so you have so
much power in your fear that you want it to
be a reptilian? Like you know, it's whatever you want?

Speaker 5 (35:29):
Mm hmmm dum.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
It does feel like that, like I'm not gonna lie
ever since I did the whole DMT thing, Like I'm
I'm looking at the world in an entirely different way,
you know, And it almost feels like very I'm not
gonna be like one of those people that like, I
don't know if it's like the Truman Show kind of thing,
but it almost feels like it's for me in a sense,

(35:53):
you know what I'm saying. I'm not saying that it's
for me and for nobody else, but I feel like
it's for each and every individual, the observer.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
And project the projector and recorder of your universe. Yeah,
you are the center because everything is.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Well at that point, it almost becomes like you know
what Bisharre amongst any other people have talked about, like
with the many worlds interpretation. Yes, it's like are you
shifting realities? You know, multiple times a second or you know,
multiple times a minute, dependent upon the energy that you're
putting off, And the energy that you're putting off is

(36:29):
almost a reflection of it's the environment reflecting it all
the way back to you every single time. You know, Like,
are you somebody that prescribes to that?

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Yeah, I think that is a useful way of looking
at it. Again, our cuny human minds are trying to
comprehend what is actually not really you know, really meant
to be comprehendible. But I think that is a useful
way to look at it. And I think that that
there are with you know that there are infinite timelines

(37:01):
and within infinite within every infinite timeline, everything is perfectly
set up.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
And this is why shifting your attention on something or
or shifting into a different energy of something, trying to
embody a different energy. That's why that works, because it's
already set up as long as you pay that attention
to it.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Yeah, I think that we're like we're the mind experiencing
the body, like we're the awareness experiencing material matter. Right
almost you can look at like, you know, like outer
space is the mind and earth is the body, or
you know, the awareness is the mind, but the actual
the phone, the body, the earth, the trees is the body,

(37:42):
you know, and so mind over body, right, it's literally
over your body and it's all being projected from there.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
It really does seem like that, dude, Like the more
we talk about these different things and start to look
at him from all the different angles and stuff like that,
it's like, dude, I think we accidentally created a mystery school,
you know what I'm saying. Like, it really does feel
like that. And we always say we're not the teachers
by any means. We're just students that find certain information

(38:16):
very interesting, you know, and looking at it through all
the different modalities and all through all the different lenses
and understanding it through the original lens and then applying
our own lens to it, and you know what I mean,
Like isn't it.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
So much fun though? To that to now go back
and look at Da Vinci and look at all these
different things, and you're like, bro, I think I actually.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Know what the fuck he was talking, what he was
doing the Vitruvian man. I mean, that's that's all you
need to say right there, just as far as like
what he was able to understand, as far as the
energy centers and the chakra system and energy all.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
That he thinks. And again it was like he didn't
just hide it so he wouldn't be persecuted, so that
when when you're ready, it will present itself. Because how
many times did we look at that and it didn't
mean anything to us? Yep, we had to get to
a certain level to know the secret.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
You know, this has been happening to me a lot,
going back and listening to older songs. Yeah, just like
really good songs, Like I liked the song back in
the day just because it sounded good or whatever. But
then you listen to the words and you're like, oh shit,
that's what they're talking about, that's what they were feeling
in that moment. They're coming to the understanding of certain things,
you know, like holy.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Shit, bro, that's that's that Clint Eastwood song by the Gorillas.
It gets me every time I listen to I'm like,
holy shit, they were on one back in the nineties.
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Well for me, you know, I grew up listening to
Wu Tang. So then when I had my spiritual awakening
and realized I was God, and then like went back
listened to Wu Tang and like they're always calling each
other guy, Yo, what up?

Speaker 1 (39:50):
God?

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Was today's mathematics God?

Speaker 3 (39:51):
I was like, whoa, oh shit, oh man, that is
a big one for me.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
It is cool.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
It is cool. Like it it's almost like once you
become somewhat initiated, you start to see what most people don't.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
You know. Yeah, it's the same. It's the same world
of different reality.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Right m Yeah, it's like it's only just grown a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
So I want to get back over to the chat.
Pete said, I'm a monkey, but I don't know the element. Pete,
if you would give me the the year that were
that you were born, well, the the date and the year,
because it's it's not the entire year. It's all dependent
upon the lunar calendar and stuff like that. So sometimes
it's in January, sometimes it's in February. It gets a
little weird. But if you anybody else that is also

(40:40):
interested in that, I got to pull it up right here.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
The monkey is a super cool animal. Though. You should
look into the legend of the Monkey King and uh
like ancient Chinese mysticism and stuff.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
It's a lot of fun, dude. You know what I
find very strange too.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Every single uh zodiac within the Chinese you know, zodiacal
wheel is all like a real animal. But then there's
the dragon, and there's the dragon that's me. I know,
it's I know, I'm a mythical creature, what kind of stuff.
But do you think that?

Speaker 5 (41:10):
But do you think that.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
I think I think they're I think they were real.
I think they are real. I think we've shifted our
current frequency to a reality where they're not real, but
that we could shift back and that you know, physically,
where are we You know, like we might be getting
into some more kind of wild stuff about you know,
globe and flat earth theory and all.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
That kind of fun stuff.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
You know that this is where we're We're we're experiencing
an electromagnetic frequency that we call Earth and that right,
So it's kind of like how you resonate will be
the one.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
That you exactly. Yeah, they're they're absolutely convinced. There's no
way to take it's both though.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
That's the thing cannot be observed objectively people.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Right, Yeah, I mean, and I've I'm not gonna lie, dude.
There was a period of my life as soon as
I found flat Earth, I was like, holy shit, how
does nobody else see this?

Speaker 5 (42:11):
You know?

Speaker 3 (42:11):
It was like it blew my mind a little bit.
Then I started looking into a little bit more mysticism
and energy work and sega geometry and stuff like that,
and You're like, now I kind of come to the
conclusion of if.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
We are creating our reality, for me, it does seem
more fun if there's like outer kind of other worlds
to be found in things I don't know. I think
that's kind of fun.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
No, I agree, And and so that's what I've come
I've come to, like, dude, I just I think it's
a double toroid bro on some real show too.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
That's but again, it can't really be observed objectively. But
I do feel just as the human being is essentially
a toroidal field like of energy, you know, and how
we are shaped and everything that is well.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
And in one there's a so electro. Nick, along with
a couple other listeners, have mentioned that we should watch
this TV show called His Dark Materials on HBO, and
I've been like binge watching that like crazy lately, and
it's basically getting into because we had the whole demon
and Damon kind of conversation, like one of the etymological
roots of the word demon and way different I know,

(43:17):
how we look at I was.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
So proud of you for putting that out there. Those
really really good work.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Thank you, thank you, and so but it was interesting, yeah,
I know. Yeah, it's like, well that's a lie. That's
not what they meant. It's like, okay, all de yeah yeah,
and people started telling the truth two thousand years ago,
that's what you're saying. So so so we I've been
watching that show and it is so cool, dude, because

(43:41):
it applies the many Worlds interpretation in a sense to
where it's like they have their their group of rulers.
I can't I can't remember what they're called, but it's
essentially like their version of the Vatican that is ruling
the world. And and if you even mention any other
dimensions or any other worlds, that's heresy. How dare you

(44:04):
right that we are God's chosen? And they don't call
them God, they call them the authority. And dude, it's
such a good show. But these people are jumping from
dimension to dimension via like these these zippers in reality
that are that are opening up and you can step
through and enter another world. And and I don't know
if it's exactly like that, you know, our reality. Maybe

(44:26):
maybe it is, but if we're talking about inner dimensional
shit going on, right that, And and it's it's all
entirely dependent upon your energy and your frequency that you're
putting off that allows you to be able to kind
of experience different shit.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
I don't even know how else to put that, but
it's like it allows you to experience something different. So therefore,
like if you wake up on the wrong side of
the bed, life is going to show you what it
looks like whenever every moment is like waking up on
the wrong side of the bed for the rest of
your day, right yeah. And conversely, if you wake up
and meditate, well maybe life just kind of shows itself

(45:04):
in that way too, for the rest of the day.
And and so whenever we're talking about interdimensional things like
aliens or consciousnesses or you know, people who have passed
and that energy is still around because energy can't be
created or destroyed, only transferred, you know, where are they
existing at? It almost makes me wonder like is it

(45:26):
all right here right now? And in just how we
tune our antenna? Is that what allows us to be
able to converse with those energies and stuff like that,
you know, like is it?

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Is it that?

Speaker 3 (45:42):
And also stack dimensions on top of each other like
what do you think about that?

Speaker 4 (45:46):
It's infinite?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Baby?

Speaker 4 (45:47):
But I do think that you know, although our linear
minds like to look at things like you know, this happened,
then this happened, then this happened. So we even talked
about let's say like past lives, future lives, it's actually
it's you know, our mind likes to look at it
like past some future, but it's it might be more
beneficial to look at it like parallel mm hmm. And

(46:10):
that yes, everything is here and now stacked and folded
on top of each other. There is no moment that
not that is not here and now wherever you are
is there and is now and you know, if you
were to wake up tomorrow in another dimension, you wouldn't
even know because you know, essentially you'd be downloaded with

(46:31):
all the information you needed to to go on and
have your experience. But I'll tell you. I mean, like
I had a dream the other night that was like
so vivid and it was me and I was a
professional baseball player and I was on the All Star
team and it was at Dodger Stadium, and like I
went up to bat, it was so vivid and that
there there was no there was no feeling in me

(46:54):
that was like, oh, I don't know what I'm doing,
Like you know, it's like and and then like the
coach came up to me and was like, Yo, it
doesn't even matter what you do in today's game because
you got a sick ass contract come in and like
you know, So there was a message for me mystically
that was like, it doesn't matter what you do banks
you've already made the All Star team spiritually, consciously, doesn't
matter if you at the home run, you got like

(47:14):
offers coming, You're all good. But also I just like
I had the thought that was like yeah, that exists somewhere,
and that like you know, my first dream as a
child was becoming a professional baseball player, and that like
maybe that fucking play it's playing out somewhere and I
just tapped into it for a message.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
I don't know, mm hmm. Yeah, because in that moment
when you are stepping up too bad, you know what
I mean, you don't have, like you said, you don't
have those thoughts of I'm not actually a professional.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
No.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
In fact, I had thoughts of like that person, like, oh,
I practiced for this, I know what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Like like there was getting weird, right, Like, dude, Yeah,
there's just something so magical about dreams, bro that it's
almost like the dream world is trying to help you
remember that you're infinite in a sense.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Yeah, oh absolutely, man. And it's it's like a simulation,
a safe place to do things before you come here
and do things. Yeah, the simulation within the simulation.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
So let's see December two, nineteen ninety two, that would
be the monkey. So let's see here real quick. So
nineteen ninety two would be the You're a water monkey.
That's pretty much the best. I'm sure one of the best. Yeah,

(48:33):
there's no doubt about that, dude. I and that's just
as far as being able to look at yourself through
all the different modalities, whether it is Chinese astrology, tropical astrology,
sidereal astrology, and looking at it through all and I'm
not saying that, you know, And we did a show
the other day. It was on the difference between tropical
astrology and sidereal astrology, where true sideial astrology is based

(48:58):
upon the star alignment above your head as it is
right now and as it was the moment that you
were born, not necessarily based upon you know, the how
the sky was in the year one hundred and thirty
BC whenever they created the tropical astrology calendar at that time,
which is, you know, how how the people were looking
at it then, right and so and and they're also

(49:20):
like fixed constellations at perfect thirty degree uh sections in
the sky, which is incorrect, right like right, But they
say that they were doing that based upon the seasons,
and it wasn't necessarily based upon the size of the constellation,
but it was based upon the seasons. If we're looking
at the sky as if it's some kind of yearly
clock in that sense, then every single constellation would represent

(49:42):
thirty degrees in the sky of the entire zodiacal wheel,
which is it's not wrong.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Yeah, but they like but they created the sections kind
of right, so it's kind of like what you like, Yeah,
it's not wrong, and I will say that, like, you know,
it's astrology, like the main it's like your main planets
and stuff like that is a very dumb down version
of what it actually is when you get very deep

(50:10):
into it, which is why on the surface a lot
of times you're like, I don't really resonate with that.
But then if you get with a real astrologer, no
matter what kind of astrology it is, when they start
going deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper into all that,
it very much lines up.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Oh dude, it is crazy how spot on it is.
It's like, so we don't have free will. You're saying
that this is fate. Is that what you're trying to say?
Because how did you know that I would come out
to be this kind of individual?

Speaker 4 (50:35):
You know, Like, yeah, I think it's as simple as like,
you know, when you're creating a video game and you
create a character and you're like, I want my character
to be a wizard who does you know, flight attacks
and has a you know, a rabbit and can do spells,
and you know, it's like you're kind of like choosing
its attributes. But then you get to go play the game. Yeah,
however you want. It does create the game. You could

(50:59):
you did create the game and the character in the game.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Well, I'm happy with the way that we chose these
avatars though, because to be podcasters talking about spiritual magical
stuff is pretty damn awesome, I would say. And also you,
I just want to say, Bro, I need to give
you a huge shout out, because I find myself you know,
I always try and catch myself if I'm ever having

(51:24):
like a really bad day, and I always try and
flip the script as soon as I possibly can, because
I know that it's only going to multiply, you know,
throughout the rest of the day if you just stay
within that energy. And one of the one of the
hacks that I have built for myself to get myself
out of those kind of funks is by going and
listening to your playlist on Spotify, and my favorite song

(51:47):
to go to it is just such a bop, bro,
But that three three three song gets me every single time,
like it is so so I just want to say
your music is awesome. You don't get enough credit, and
I listen to it every day.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Oh man, I appreciate it. Yeah. I have three albums
out for your listening pleasure everybody. But I'm also I
just started a new hip hop duo with my brother
called Mystic Minds. We haven't released anything yet, just a
couple teasers on Instagram. We did like a remix of
like an Ozzy Osbourne song, Mister Crawley, and like, we
released that just one piece of content, got a bunch

(52:21):
of views real quick. So we're just kind of teasing
with some stuff. But we're we're about ten songs deep
into it, like a twenty song album right now. So
and like our whole thing that we're trying to build
is like the music is going to be for free,
like totally for free, and then you know how you
support us is we want to create like a community,

(52:41):
a culture where maybe like a comic book goes with
the album, right you buy the comic book, or you know,
we want to create something maybe like in a virtual world,
something like I don't know, something where like people want
to be involved in the virtual aspect of it, but
it forces them into the physical world. You know, maybe
some type of like treasure stuff, I'm not exactly sure,
but where we're trying to figure out something to take

(53:03):
our power back really as underground artists because the industry,
uh they it's basically the labels have made themselves obsolete
and we are taking the power back.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
I love it, dude, I love it. To give you
a shout out. I'm really digging the shadow boxing on
Everything is Everything? Why you got a name?

Speaker 4 (53:28):
We were just talking about that. As soon as you
name me, unigate me right.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
And you know what's funny too, just applying that concept
I love kind of just stirring the pot a little bit.
Especially on my other podcast, the Cult of Conspiracy. My
co host over there, he's like, he's a Christian. None
wrong with that, I mean we just have different suff opinion.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
That's fine.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
And so we get into like what is God and
what isn't God and stuff like that, Well, well God's everything.
I'm like, oh that's interesting, So God, So that means
I'm gone, and well no, come on, like come on,
you know, and and I'm like, well, I think by
you saying what God isn't, you're only putting limitations on
what God is right, So it's almost like the dow

(54:13):
that can be named is not the right dow right
within Daoism. And so by you saying that, you know,
you're not God and I'm not God, and your kids
aren't God, and in your computer or whatever isn't God,
and the sky isn't God, it's like, all right, we'll
keep on applying more limitations to him.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Then at that point, yeah, well, like you know the
line in the Bible, I am that I am right? Uh,
I take that as meaning I am that that that
I am that. Yeah, that's how I take it, not
just that I am No, I'm that I'm that, I'm
that I am.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's the y age vh sure, the Yoda
vave I am that I am. At that point, it's like, yes,
it's just a it's an entire perspective change, you know.
And man, it makes this place feel a lot more
like home whenever you just like look around and oh,
you're not separate from me. That thing's not separate from me,
This place isn't separate from me. This isn't even my

(55:08):
first time being here kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
Yeah, And you know the way I like to explain
it to people, and it's just that, you know, the
physical world is everything here emerges from the non physical,
from the womb, from a field of infinite potential. So
we all do come from the same source. There is

(55:30):
no separation. It can seem random and chaotic, but it's
only because it's unpredictable. But that's because it's infinite. It's
the ultimate act of love.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
But even within that, the infinite possibilities, you see like
innumerable amount of synchronicities.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Yeah, it has to be. It's like it's like, you know,
my eyes and my hands and my nose are like,
you know, different parts of me, but really they're just
different ways of experiencing the same one thing, right.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Yeah, it's just different aspects. That's funny too, because I
was looking down at like my belly earlier, just for
some reason, and I just had this strange thought of like,
my belly is also me.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
What I'm saying is that at that point, you know,
just getting real weird, and I'm like, this reminds.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Me of something. I forgot what it was from. My
friend was just telling me about this is from some
old movie or something, but it's something by the guy
was like, oh, like they I cut my body off
or it was a joke about cutting his body off,
but really it was like he cut his penis off
or something. And it just made me think about like, oh, yeah,
like where do I begin? And like my where does

(56:47):
my penis end? And I begin? Like where is the
and that is for everything?

Speaker 5 (56:54):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
I'm sorry that's too graphic if y'all, but no, no,
my penis.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
But no, it's interesting to even bring that up because
I saw that there was a comment on we We
reposted an old show a couple of weeks ago with
a conversation we had with this guy who was an
understudied a Manly P.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
Hall.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
His name is Ronnie Pontiac. Fascinating individual. If you ever
get the chance to talk to him, I could hook
you up have him come on your show. He is
dude literally studied under Manley Hall. Like crazy right and
and really good conversation. But we reposted that and we
put it up on YouTube and everything, and somebody was like, oh,
he was just into basically fallis magic. Just look at him.

(57:35):
It's Manly p Hall Manly Fallis And I was like,
I mean, that's an interesting conclusion. That you just drew
maybe he was onto something. But and not to say
that there isn't magic that you can kind of manifest
by masturbation and all that, because that's a real thing too,
you know. But it's it's it's always fascinating to me

(57:56):
whenever people look at like esoteric teachers and esoteric masters
and just assume always that they're working with the dark side.
I'm like, yeah, always, every time.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
But my whole thing is this is that if you
haven't worked with the darkness, then you ain't working with
the light.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
Right, yep, what the fuck are you doing? If you
know the shadows right exactly?

Speaker 4 (58:15):
You ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Oh dude, Jesus had conversations with Satan.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
Bro It's like, I am the darkness.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Oh and that's even what God says. There was oh man,
you know what, let me pull up that quote too,
because there was a quote in the Bible that really
got me a little bit just trying to define like
what God is or whatever, right, and just there was
this quote.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
Let me see if I can find it.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Oh yeah. It was in Isaiah chapter forty five, verse seven,
and it was God speaking and it said, I formed
the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil.
I the Lord do all these things. It's like boom
right there, like like to get the idea of you know,
the good guy and the bad guy they're the same

(59:08):
fucking character.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Well, and so like, look, this is how I explain
it to people. It's like and it's it can be
hard for our minds to grasp this. But let's say
source is not light or dark. It's actually formless. It
has no edges, no no shape, no taste, no sound.
It's it's pure everything and nothing, and it's and it's

(59:30):
so it's got no form to it. So it created
the illusion of duality. Light and dark opposites because only
through duality can we make form, can we experience something.
And then that act of light and dark, when it
manifests in infinite ways, infinite free will is the highest

(59:50):
act of love. Yes, you're gonna get some suffering, you're
gonna get some weird stuff, you're gonna get some bad people,
some bad things, But it's really just a distortion of
the truth.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
Dude, And that Superman got Kryptonite, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Had to, had to, or else nobody was gonna watch
him anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
They had to inventvent that just so that people would
be interested in him maybe losing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Yeah, they they had to get like there had to
be a reason to make him more, you know, because
if you're watching a show and he just wins every time,
like that's not going to be very entertaining, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Well, and again, it's like even if there if there's
any for anything to take form, there must be resistance,
Like literally anything for anything to take form, there must
be resistance. And that you could look at it like
Yin and Yang and evil and good and that kind
of stuff. It's just it's just fucking the thing that

(01:00:43):
keeps us pushing and pulling it. Do it?

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Do?

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
I want to get back over the chat here for
a second? Supermarket, he said, I've recently been thinking about
the simulation and how it seems like a soul contract
is nothing more than attributes that you assigned to your
character at the beginning of an RPG. Yes, have you
ever played Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
I haven't played that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
I haven't played that, but but I think that that's
a very interesting theory and if that sparks something in
you and you should follow it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
Dude, those attributes in which you you've chosen, but then
you also make that choice to maintain.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Exactly you can kind of decide later on, maybe I
don't want to have as many magical powers, may don't
want to work on a strength a little bit more, right, That's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
It, Bridd said. It's crazy how that works. That thank you,
that that most people start out of the conspiracy realm
and then it doesn't take long to get into the
more spiritual stuff. You just start seeing the lies everywhere.
And dude, I always say this that like, if it
wasn't for you know, just me on my own personal journey,
if it wasn't for the creation of the cult of conspiracy,

(01:01:49):
I don't know if I would have ever gotten here.
But I had to see how many cracks in the
illusion there actually were in order to understand that there
is something that is underlying that is definitive, and in
order to understand like our connection to it in the
sense right, So, like all right, government lies to us.
I've I've like, if I ever find a time where

(01:02:11):
the government isn't lying to us, I'll be a lot
more shocked, you know what I'm saying. Like I've got
I've just gotten to that point in my life where
I'm like, oh, they said that it was gonna happen,
and then it did.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
That's color me shocked in that sense. Right, And and
not even just with government stuff, but just conspiracy all
the way around, whatever the case may be. Maybe it's
a religious lies or political lies, or you know, the
big pharmaceutical lies or whatever. Right, Like, it's all across
the board that you find that not all of these

(01:02:43):
things and people and organizations and stuff have your best interests.
And every single time you remind yourself of that, you're
almost pushing yourself down your own path because if that's
not true, and if that's not real, now you're finding
yourself creating your own path in your own sense, trying
to be your own light because you realize that all

(01:03:04):
these other big corporate lights are only guiding you right
into their pocketbook.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Well, perhaps I think about like this, Maybe it's as
lighthearted as it's. The conspiracies are a reflection of the
conspiracy of existence of yeah, the mystery, the conspiracy of
you know, believing that you're not divine, only to figure
out that you are. Perhaps that that you know grand

(01:03:33):
conspiracy that makes everything go around simply reflects in our
in our existence.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Oh dude, it's magical. It's magical in that way. And
and also like it'll get you to look at like
secret societies and mystery calls and all that stuff and
a completely different and a completely different lens too, because
even even like the Freemasons, they all they're like, see
I saw the checkerboard floors. It's it's they're playing with magic.

(01:04:00):
And it's like, dude, they actually know some shit and
you're looking at it like it's just evil. It's like, yeah,
there's so much more to it than that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
And at the same time, like they were just some homies.
They wanted to get together and blaze and have a
drink and talk about some crazy conspiracy shit like I
do with my homies.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
Oh yeah, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
The next thing you know, you got thirty people in
a room with you and you're like, oh shit, I
guess we got to make some ropes.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
We got a club. Now you gotta dress up.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Before you know it, you're doing simulated death rituals. But
that escalated quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Everybody thinks. Everybody thinks they're illuminated, you know, like, oh,
we figured out something.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
Yeah, they're just laying figured it out for yourself anyway,
you know, dude, just laying in a coffin.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
It's just like I've died and the new me is
going to be the one that walks up out of
this casket.

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
And if you really feel that once you do it, you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Know, dude, is that not what baptism is? I always
try and tell people this, right, Is that not the
idea behind baptism that you die only to be reborn
into this life like h sinless and pure.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
Yeah, I think so, and also like a cleansing ritual.
But yeah, obviously it's like amniotic fluid. It's you know,
emerging from the non material all right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Yeah, No, it just reminds me of like to like,
even within the Bible, it talks about the womb, but
it doesn't call it the womb.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
It says it's the called the matrix.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Yeah, and that is right. I mean, a matrix is
a system. And you know, Alan Watts talks about this
that a system cannot be a system unless it let's
go of itself, right, So it's like yeah, and that
so any for anything to be something, it must be
in sight of something and that's the womb.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
It is the womb, it's the matrix.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
There was somebody that was talking about, like, imagine there
were twins in this one, you know, in this one womb,
and the one comes up with this crazy idea of
like can you just imagine what the outside world is?
And I can, you know, I can imagine there's planes
and trains and there's all these different kind of crazy things,
and the other, the other little twin inside the womb,

(01:06:08):
is just like, come on, man, you gotta wake up
to reality. This is all that there is. Look around,
like we're just swimming around that there is nothing more
outside of this. And the other guy's like, I'm telling you,
I know that there has to be I had.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
This beyond the womb.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
There has to be yeah. Yeah, And I was like, man,
that is a perfect allegory for this life.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
Yeah, totally absolutely, yeah man, And like you know, for
for a lot of the feminines out there, and like
you know, we we manifest as physical genders, but it's
just energy, right, It's the feminine energy, masculine energy receiving, giving, right,
and just that like the feminine energy, you know, the
way the reason why you go through the menstrual cycles,

(01:06:49):
the pain of childbirth, all this kind of stuff is
because you are the power that can transmute negative energy.
Men do not have that same power. We can still
do it, but you know, we don't have that those
same attributes that we created when we came here, right,
And so I just want all the women and the

(01:07:09):
feminine out there to know and even the masculine that, like,
you know, we this is what we're here to do.
We're here to transmute this shit, you know, through art,
through poetry, through you know, creating things. We take the
negative and we unravel it and make it positive for
the collective.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
I mean, look, you can make a pile of shit
from Plato, or you can also build a castle with it,
you know. So, uh, Supermarket said everything everywhere all at once. Yeah,
also said we're the kid on the edge of the
bed in his room playing.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
The video game.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Yeah, I love that. Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Mama Slaney said, Uh, I think I'm a rooster. July sixth,
nineteen ninety three. So yeah, let's look at that real quick.
I'm just always fascinated by all these different lenses that
you can that you know, you can find yourself, and
they all kind of speak to the to the same
So rooster, was it? Let's see rooster, you said, nineteen

(01:08:14):
ninety six.

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
No, it's not a rooster, was it?

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Ninety three?

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
Is that what it's? Ninety three?

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Yeah, oh, ninety three. I'm tripping. I think I'm getting
the numbers mixed up there. Nineteen ninety three. You would
be a water rooster.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
All right, A lot of water up in here, a
lot of water, like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Yeah, dude, Pete said, December second, nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
Did I already read that one?

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
That was a water well?

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
And and like you know what, you guys will start
noticing if you want to do more research into the
let's say, like primordial understandings of things, then all of
the zodiac will makes sense to you, all of the
animal stuff, all of the because you know, I'm talking
about learning the basics of what numbers mean, what colors mean,

(01:09:00):
what shapes mean, you know, a masculine of feminine energy
duality that's like very simple kind of things like that.
Then you're gonna see that, like these animals of the
zodiac are literally manifesting from these divine ideas of like
numbers and shapes and colors, and they literally represent.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
That, Oh dude, And just as far as like shapes go,
this is something that I've been listening to other shows
and stuff like that. One of my favorite podcasts of
all times called Crow Triple seven. He gets into a
lot of like sacred geometry and stuff like that too sometimes,
and was just talking about like the very first manifestation
of anything was just a single point, right like, and

(01:09:40):
then and then from the point came the line, and
then from the next line or from that line came
another line. And the only time that there was ever
able to form anything into any kind of shape, that
the triangle had to have been the first shape because
it's the first thing that manifests as a whole thing
from like three collective individual.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
Units triangles three and three in numerology represents creativity. So
you're telling me that the first shape that could create
that could be created. You see how the connections already there.
So oh, start learning these basic things and everything starts
making a lot more sense.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
It is the Father, is the son and the holy ghost,
or it's the mind body actually.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
So when a man and a woman get together, they
create a child, right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Well, and also if you look at just like certain
initiatory rights, especially even within magic and stuff like that.
Like we read this book, I all, we always love
to reference it, but it's called The Magic in by
Philip Cooper. Such a fucking awesome book. But basically, you're
supposed to go and walk through these two pillars inside

(01:10:44):
your meditative mind in a sense. And the idea about
you walking through two pillars, I believe would be that
you're you represent that third pillar, right, and so you
represent you're you're taking two parts and you're creating something
as a whole unit that point.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Yes, And you know eleven is often represented as a
portal and numerology, which is like to pillars, right, and
that's two right before three.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Yeah, well, and then you start getting conspiratorial you look
at the twin towers and that whole thing.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
But yeah, yeah, we're not going to get too weird tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
But yeah, dude, it's just crazy whenever you start really
looking at the symbolism of the world and then trying
to to almost like how can I do something in
my own life with this kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Yeah, it's creating your own language with the universe, because
you should have your own language with.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
It, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
That's what the synchronicity is. Like, every time you see
a synchronicity, it's like your own little connection to the
matrix itself in that moment.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
Yeah, don't, don't let it just happen, start telling it. Okay,
next time when I see this, numbers only show it
for this reason, like and then right, and then now
we're starting to kind of having a reciprocal conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:11:59):
Yeah, yeah, well that's just like the other night man,
we had a meditation and I forget the specific meditation,
but and I didn't even mention this part of it.
But I saw like a pegasus, right, and I wasn't
thinking about that. This was something that just came out
of nowhere. But I didn't mention it after the show
because I was like, eh, that was kind of weird,
and like, I don't know, because there was something else

(01:12:19):
that happened as well. The very next day, my wife
and I decided to watch a movie and it was
a Clash of the Titans, you know, because I was like,
why haven't I seen this yet? It looks cool. It's
about the gods and the Greek gods, and when you
know what, there's like a bunch of pegasus. I don't
know how you paralize that, but yeah, and I was like,
there it is, you know what I mean, It's like
in my reality, it was like did I make that

(01:12:42):
happen or did you know it was? I seen him.
It's an echo.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
It's an echo of the future. And at the same time,
like you know, you projected, you wrote, directed, and starred
in that movie as you watched it essentially right, and
that it presented itself to you exactly when it needed
to to give you some type of a message. And
you know what a pegasust represents. Horses represent freedom, and

(01:13:07):
you know they have wings, so there's something ethereal and
godly like about it. It's your steed, it's your it's loyalty, right,
It's all all these kind of things.

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
So yeah, dude, Yeah, and then and then what happens
is is you know what I do to myself in
that moment is like, well, you know, if I didn't
have that meditation and I didn't see that the Pegasus
and I just so happened to watch class Clash of
the Titans.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
It wouldn't have happened.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
Even I wouldn't even have thought to you know what
I mean, you know seeing the same thing that I
would have seen anyways. You know, it's like I don't know,
but still cool though, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
Yeah, definitely, And I definitely recommend to people if you
do a lot of meditating, or if you like to
analyze your dreams, or if you want someone to interpret
your dreams, like me, definitely keep a dream catcher, like
buy your head somewhere or like, you know, near where
you're sleeping. I put one up like six months ago,
and every single night I remember every one of my dreams,

(01:14:02):
like super vividly.

Speaker 5 (01:14:03):
Dude, I'm gonna have to try that because I feel
like I especially lately, like the last h I don't know,
four or five months, I've been dreaming every night, like
I'm for sure I had at least three or four
different dreams, but by the time I wake up, they
they're so jumbled together, and I'm like, I don't know,
I feel like I did a lot of shit right now,
but I just you know, there might be one little

(01:14:24):
small aspect of it. But yeah, I'm gonna have to
try that, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
Yeah, man, it's definitely worth that. You know, some people
put crystals behind their head, you know, it's all just
initiation kind of stuff that you're basically setting an intention
to remember your dreams.

Speaker 5 (01:14:36):
Mm hmmm that wa we can shift your attention yeah,
towards that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Oh, that makes a lot of sense. You're kind of
taking that first step to shift your attention, which I
think that's that's the entire you know, reason why you
would have any kind of ritual or setting your intention
or having any kind of affirmation or anything like that
in general, is to just set that initial intention to
allow it to be able to show itself. Because you

(01:15:01):
know that whenever you are presented with anything that it's
it's another little number within the equation of the infinite
that now is bringing more possibility of that thing being
replicated in your Yeah, and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
Like you're setting the momentum for it to occur as
in your experience as the observer, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Yeah, what EA was saying the other night, As far
as uh, you know, practicing the magic and everything else,
the two most valuable things that you can have are
your time and your attention, And if you're using both
of those together along with yourself, you're unstoppable.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
As great advice, I'm going to take that for myself.

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
Yeah, he makes so much sense.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
He doesn't even do blood magic anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Thinking about it, And I've said this before as far
as like when you're in class and you're you're wanting
to look out the window or you're you're drawing, you're
not really paying, you know, and the teacher's like, hey,
pay attention, because you're paying something that is valuable. It's
paying something, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Yes, to get to get a little weird here, though.
If if that's what's going on, why do you think
so if if everything is kind of intention, why is
it that our minds almost accept that our life force
and our blood is going to help us manifest certain
kind of things as in like magical blood rituals and

(01:16:18):
and stuff like that, Like because it does seem to
enhance it. I've never personally done it, but just listen
to other people. It's like, you know, whenever they would
do a sacrifice, all the ancients, they you know, practice
sacrifice all the time, and they they just understood that
blood would amplify said ritual. What do you think that is?

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
Well, I think you know, uh, any we've talked about
this before actually a little bit, just that like whatever
it is that triggers you is what it is that
you need. And you know, uh, it is easy to
let's say, convince somebody that blood is powerful because of

(01:17:00):
logical things, because of mysterious things, because of whatever it
is a life for it, and these are kind of
these things that like, you know, it just kind of
triggers people to be like, oh, yeah, that makes sense
that that would work, and then it works.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
It's kind of universal understanding is important, right, stop it
right away?

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
Exactly at church they're not drinking blood, they're drinking wine
right well.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
And like and the same thing goes for like even
for example, they they have collected all of the perfect
red heifers and they're going to be performing the sacrifice.
And in Israel here soon allegedly they already did it
on a trial practice run and people are going around
and like divvying out all the ashes and performing miracles

(01:17:45):
and all this wild stuff. But it almost makes you wonder,
like does it really matter? And this is just gonna
get real weird here just looking at it from another angle, right,
does it really matter that that red heifer had to
be perfect to where not a single hair was out
of place? Right in order to perform that ritual? It
has to be an exact perfect red heifer, right, And

(01:18:06):
and it made me think, like, is it because we
value the the pure and innocent and sinless the most
that causes that ritual to work out a little bit
more because in any other circumstance, you wouldn't just sacrifice
that that would be the one that you would want
to eat the most, or the one that would be
your prized possession. And you know, what do you think

(01:18:28):
that is? Like why do you think there's.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
A little bit to be said to about like consciously
doing something that like you know, you I am consciously
taking care of this bull or this cow, I'm consciously
preparing it. I'm not just like slaughtering it, get on
gone with it. You know. It's like it's kind of
like how uh Eckar totally talks about how like consciously

(01:18:51):
making tea right. It's like, so it's like kind of
it's more about like, you know, it's almost paying respect
to the cat, the cow in some ways and respect
to God that like you know that that we we
consciously are preparing this with certain things in mind. And
you know, if you believe that you doing that is

(01:19:13):
going to do something, then you created that. You know,
if if you believe something is conscious, you just made
it conscious. Right, So if you believe that doing it
with the pureness and all this and and like you
spend all this time doing it, just like we were
talking about with the magic that like if you the
time and the attention, so the time and the attention
is on the bull and the purity and the and

(01:19:34):
that that you know, making all, then it would probably
be more magical.

Speaker 5 (01:19:38):
You're charging the battery, dude, Yeah, just like we do
with putting a crystal on a on a deck of
cards or you know what I'm saying, you're you're you
are putting that energy into that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
Yeah. And you know cows represent mother energy and you
know wounds and you know their double stomachs have a
mystical meaning to it just that uh you know they
uh they can it takes a while to digest things,
but that at all, you know, everything's temporary. Like then
there's a lot of kind of more mystical understandings to

(01:20:08):
what they represent and the purity of that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
Okay, I love your understanding of all of that. Like
as far as the animals and all the symbolism that
goes into that, that's that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
Well, you know, and red is grounded energy blood all that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
You know, Well, it's the color of the sacral chakra too,
isn't there?

Speaker 4 (01:20:27):
Yep? So in the color of hell. Interesting, huh.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Brid said, I like this format where we're all coming together,
sharing our experiences, trying to figure out all this crazy uh,
all all this crazy out without no one really above
anyone else.

Speaker 5 (01:20:42):
If that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
It's more lad, I love that's the energy that were
trying to create. Man, I don't have any strong opinions.
If I just if it's fun, I'm gonna follow it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
Yeah, especially if you're making your own reality.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
Well, who am I to tell another god what is
their reality? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:20:58):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Yes God, brit said, Maybe there is outer outer worlds
to be found, but they're not actually physical like here.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
Yeah, could be, could be, Yeah, all possibilities exist.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Do you think that whenever Do you think that whenever
you die that you become privy to all that information?

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
Yes, but it doesn't matter at that point, right. I
will tell you that when I had my near death experiences,
you know you have all the answers because you are
the answers, the questions don't even matter anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:21:31):
You are the mystery you are.

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
Everything was totally clear, Yeah, totally clear, and then you're like,
oh this is boring, whoop, come back.

Speaker 5 (01:21:38):
And then you don't remember, just like the dream.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
Or it's like you do, but it's subconscious and it
slowly comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Right, there was I wanted to get your opinion on this.
We had an episode like a year ago with this
woman who said that she was talking to her deceased
grandmother through her Roku TV. And she was saying that,
you know, her grandma and in her entire family, they

(01:22:06):
were all, you know, really religious all the time. But
then her grandma died and she noticed that there seemed
to be messages being written on her TV that were
directed at certain family members. And it made no sense, right, Uh,
anybody that has like a Roku TV, you're able to
you know, whenever you go and type a word in,
you have to do like letter by letter by letter
by letter. It's not going to show up like full

(01:22:28):
word kind of thing, right, And she was saying that
that eventually everybody came to understand that, yeah, that's grandma, right,
Like that that is Grandma. She's talking to us through
this fucking rokue TV right made no damn sense, but
it sounds awesome. But what her what she said was
is that her grandma is speaking to her from the
other side in the sense and almost has taken on

(01:22:48):
an esoteric lens of the world. It's not so boxed
in and cagey. It's more wide open and trying to
show her the esoteric lens of everything and looking at
everything through a different lens in that sense. What do
you what are your thoughts on what is going on
there from from the way that you look at this reality.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
Well, I think that, like, you know, when the physical
body dies, which I actually do believe is a choice.
I believe you want to you could literally live forever,
but that like when the physical body dies, it literally
is like taking off a tight shoe, and it's like
it's like taking off a layer of bullshit. You're like, ugh. So,

(01:23:27):
you know, Grandma might have taken off, you know, a
layer of herself when she went back into the the
all if you will, and and had you know, maybe
a more refined understanding of things, or you know, a
combination of her past lives came through and and you know,
she's kind of a combination of these things. And just that, Yeah,

(01:23:48):
you know, beyond that, you know, everything is here and
now and from the unseen realms. Uh, they all have
access to this place. Only from this place do we
have a hard time accessing the other places?

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
It does seem like a bit of a conundrum, and
so it's it's just fun trying to look at it
from that angle, like what is going on there? And
I guess it's not really that much different, you know,
as opposed to you know, you talking to family members
or deities or whatever in meditations or in prayer or
something like that. This is more of just like some

(01:24:30):
kind of physical manifestation, almost like a Weiji board kind
of situation or a Tarot kind of situation, to where
they're communicating with you through a certain medium.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
Yeah, so when it sounds like it was the perfect
medium to choose because they all kind of agreed like yeah, okay,
this is Grandma. So it's like it's yeah, it does
work in mysterious ways, and that you know, I've had
I've had experiences where people who were not dead yet
to me as like an angel form of themselves, like

(01:25:04):
a couple weeks before they died, and they came to
me in like a vision and then you know, I've
also had stuff where my future self has talked to
myself now in meditations and like I know that like
at some point in the future, I'm gonna be meditating
and like go back and talk to my younger self
and things like that. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:25:24):
So I think.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
Time is an illusion and as the observer, the projector
and recorder of my reality, whatever I need to experience
is going to come through in the infinite ways possible.
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
That's interesting actually when we talk about like the infinite,
you know, and when you go to the other side
and now you have all the answers, right, But if
everything is so infinite and we are the observer and
projector of what we experienced, then how could there be
an objective truth at all?

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
They can't. And that's why it's so scary to be
in this an experience because we're actually constantly going into
the unknown. We're supposed to be right because we're creating it.
Where are the ones supposed to go there for the
first time?

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
Right, So everybody's right and wrong? Yeah, yeah, that's great,
And now I love this. I got chills. You know,
something unlocked.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
We had a we had a conversation the other night,
and we were talking about the Watchers and falling down
from heaven and a third of the stars coming down
to earth, and you know, could that have been the
dragon's tail that swept you know, a third of the
stars and and and that could that have been the
fall and the cause of the nephalom and the cause

(01:26:41):
of the flood and all this kind of wild shit, right,
And it made me think, like, you know, what, if
you were to look at it through the watchers perspective
instead of just rebelling, could it be something else?

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
Right? It?

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Could it just be that they wanted to try and
see what it was like to to live in a
dualistic kind of place rather than just everything always going
perfectly all the time, you know. And it made me
think about like a past life regression that I did
so before I ever got into like being a past
life regressionist. There, I got hypnotized twice and we were

(01:27:19):
like practicing on each other, me and a couple other hypnotists.
We're practicing on hypnotizing each other and giving past life aggressions.
So my second time, which was my last time that
I ever got, you know, regressed to a past life.
I was like this, this watcher above a planet or
a world or something like that. And I became like
real not upset, but just kind of sad that people

(01:27:40):
stopped calling on me for help, right, And and like
in that moment, I was like, man, these people they're struggling,
they're going through all these hard times. If they only
knew that I was here, what would be a way
to help them remember? And that I couldn't figure out
a way to help them remember without like interrupting their
own free will in a sense, right, And so what
happened was is I I ended up going to the

(01:28:00):
manager of that department, which I looked at as Odin,
that was sitting at some kind of throne, and I said, look,
I want to be able to help. I can't help
at all up here, Like there's nothing that I can
do that is going to help anybody. I feel like
I'm just wasting my time and I'm just going to
fade into nothingness after a while, right, And I was
like I want to be able to help. I want

(01:28:20):
to try and get like boots on the ground, Like
can I just go down there and help them in
some kind of way? And Odin's like your wish is
my command, and he takes his staff on both of
my shoulders, and as soon as he touches my head
with the final anointing or whatever, I'm like coming through
a womb like which is kind of crazy, right, And
it almost made me really look at the fallen angels

(01:28:43):
or the watchers that have fallen in a different perspective,
like is it possible that they kind of just I
don't know, want to to come down and raise the
vibration of the earth or whatever you want to say, like,
what are your thoughts on that angle of the fallen?

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
I think that through duality, yes, things manifested as like
demi gods and light beings, angel the fall and however
we want to look at it, and that they are
essentially part of the light and dark forces that kind
of are a let's say, part of the fabric of

(01:29:24):
this reality. Like they literally are like the things that
are holding it together.

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
And that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:33):
Yeah, so that like God's source duality then created like demigods,
you know, angels, light beings and eventually like it got
more and more and more dense to be to be
in physical form, but that these light and dark forces
don't have free will in the sense that we do.

(01:29:54):
That they're doing their jobs beautifully, but that you know,
the darker doing the dark things, the light are doing
the light things, and they work together and it's all
but that they are in a way almost jealous of
us because we have so much free will and we
can experience both the light and the dark and transmute
and essentially that we are the manifesting power, so that

(01:30:18):
the forces that don't take material form can only influence
us to manifest the reality that they prefer. So how
we then take our power back is through creativity and
creating the reality that we prefer.

Speaker 5 (01:30:32):
That's great. I love that, dude very well, said man,
thank you so jealous of us because we don't know
what we don't know, you know, and they just seem
to know just about everything.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
Yea way that probably in the same way that we
look at like little kids, right, everything is so open,
they don't have any restrictions, They can be whatever they
want to be. Meanwhile, we get older.

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
Exactly, and I think that's how ET's kind of look
at us too, as like they're kind of like younger,
inner child, you know, more innocent, like, oh, we got
to health these guys, because they just don't really kind
of realize, you know, some of them think that way
some of us. Some of them probably use us for fuel.
Some of us probably just come here for recreational purposes.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
You know, right, Yeah, yeah, so much fun looking at
all this kind of stuff, Pete said, Is Banks can't.
Pete said, is Banks referring to Sun Wukong, the monkey
king Goku from Dragon Ball Z is inspired by him. Yes, yes, nice, Danny, brother.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
My brother's a kung fu master, so I know a
lot about kind of more than ancient Chinese kung fu.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
What was the second one that you put up?

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
The Book of Jasher Oh okay, yeah, he threw up
the nineteen seventy five King James Bible. Tooty sweet, Oh, Danny.
So you're actually the same as me. As far as
the Chinese zodiac. You're also a metal horse. It's actually
a golden horse that year because it's like all the
different metals and the different types of liquid and stuff

(01:32:03):
like that. It changes like every seventy years or whatever
it is.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
But yeah, what I love about the Chinese zodiac too
is they have the four elements, but then they have
metal and that like the metal I think is such
a cool element to add because it's like a it's
like a man made thing, and it's like a combination
of things. I don't know, I just I always thought
that that was a really interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:32:23):
Thing, something that has been transmuted.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
A synergy, right, Yeah, Oh dude, It's just like whenever
we read The The Alchemist by Polo Cuelo. Dude, anybody
that hasn't read that book, we I mean we read
it on the show, But fucking awesome story, dude. All
basically all about transmutation. That's really what it's all about,
and just the alchemy of the soul in a sense.

Speaker 5 (01:32:46):
It's it's got a lot of beautiful messages, dude, something
that you could really apply.

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Oh damn, Danny said, I think I would come back
as my son, see how I was as a dad.

Speaker 5 (01:32:59):
Yeah, that's good way to look at it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:01):
Yeah. Yeah, and you have and you will. You know,
you your son has been, your father has been, your
lover has been the one that murdered you. Like everything
is recycling, right, and so if you want to feel
that way, you already have, and you will at some
point in another carnate incarnation.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Or you know, well, I mean just think about like
all the different masks that Jim Carrey wears and all
the different movies that he's in. It's like, you know,
he can be the Mask, he can be ace Ventura,
he can be the Grinch, you know what I'm saying,
Like he can be all these different characters, but it's
still the same kind of energy behind everything.

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
Still.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
Well, yeah, and I remember asking. I remember asking one
of my spiritual teachers when I first started waking up.
I was like, wait, so, like if I'm you and
I'm everybody, then like, well, I like reincarnate as you
at some point and like live this again like as you.
And he was like, well, you don't have to, because
you're living me through you. And I just thought that
was very fascinating. And I was like, oh, that feels

(01:33:58):
really good.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
That does feel nice. It feels the water's warm.

Speaker 5 (01:34:03):
On that one.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
Brit said, I'm a lion in Western astrology and a
tiger and Chinese astrology, so just cats all around.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
Not going to use the other word.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
I love cats. I'm a liar and star seed myself.
If you couldn't tell what the lions.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Mean, I'm trying to grow it back out dude, every
time I cut every time my hair gets long, for
some reason, I think it's a good idea to cut
it off, and just because you almost start to get like,
I don't know if anybody else feels this way, but
you almost start to get jealous of people that are
walking around with short hair, Like, oh man, it's so
much less work. You know, you ain't got to wash
and condition it and brush it and comb it and

(01:34:44):
maintain it every day. It's a full on pet that
you gotta deal with. But then I see you and
I got this short hair over here, and I'm like, God,
damn it, I need to grow this time.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
Oh yeah, I always I was, you know, whenever I
got hand tattoos or grew my hair, like when I
still had a nine to five job in the matrix,
like I always like. And now that I broke out
of that shit, I fucking I'm like, let's fucking go.

Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
Oh dude.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
You ever see like sad Guru, like his hair is
all over the place, he has this crazy looking beard.

Speaker 4 (01:35:10):
Well, you know, there's a lot of mystical spiritual ties
to hair. You know, it's an extension of our nervous
system essentially, right and it's like it picks up a
lot of energy. It's kind of like how cats feel
things with their hair, you know, and that kind of stuff.
And that's why it's also really important that if you
have a lot of hair and you're doing a lot
of spiritual work, that you wash it a lot and
this kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Oh, because it'll like carry energy from day to day
in that sense.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
I made the awful mistake of shaving my beard, and
I feel like I lost a part of myself. It's awful.
I can't wait for it to grow. Bag. I'm actually
gonna need you to send me some of yours. I
actually got sponsored by it enough to go around.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
I got sponsored by a beard company that's pretty good
actually called Nickel City Beard Blends. They're out of Canada.
Oh nice, anybody's interested.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
That's like a is that like a like a salve
or something.

Speaker 4 (01:36:05):
They do everything they have like shampoo salve, Like they
got stuff for tattoos. They got a bunch of different stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:36:11):
Oh that's cool. Yeah, Oh yeah, I gotta grow on
mine back. I right before the show, I went and
you know, and I was gonna like brush my hair
or whatever, and like brush my beard. Usually I'll brush
it out and I'm like, ah, like I'm a who
am I dude?

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
I feel that same way like whenever I go and
chop my beard off, because I'm so used to doing
this all the time, you know, like if you got
a beard, you're so used to just touching it and
just being weird.

Speaker 5 (01:36:33):
But so if you're thinking about shaving your beard, anybody
out there, just don't do it. Don't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Burn from me, right, Danny said, I've seen a lot
of red cows here in Canada. I wonder what is
a red cow supposed to be? Like, I mean, I
get that it's supposed to be a little bit more
sacred for the sacrifices and stuff like that, But I
wonder why a red cow over just a regular like

(01:36:58):
spotted cow.

Speaker 5 (01:36:59):
Who makes the determination whether or not the red heifers perfect?
Who's who's deciding this?

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Yeah, you know, I don't know, U super Market said
the arcons. The Smith's the programs that run the matrix
and police it. The watchers Smith being Satan, the angel
that broke from the Matrix to become independent. Yeah, jeez,
that's the that's the whole, Like the Gnostic version of

(01:37:27):
the Garden of Eden at that point, it's like they
look at the serpent as the good guy.

Speaker 5 (01:37:31):
In a sense. Yeah, trying to bring knowledge, right, That's
kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
How I look at in a lot of ways. I mean,
I I the metaphor of the Garden of Eden is
very clear to me, you know, and it's retold in
the hero's journey and tarot cards and everything else, and
that it's you know, it was it's the story of
becoming aware and not just being an animal.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
Yeah. Yeah, speaking of Tarot cards, Sean, we got one
of those bad boys pulled out already.

Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
Oh dude, you know what I am slacking? What I was?
I was so into the conversation. Man, I wasn't even
thinking about it now.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
Yeah. I just bought my brother's first tarot card deck
for his birthday. He was like, I think I'm ready.

Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
I was like, all right, I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
And I have like several tarot decks that I used
that are like I used to have one that was
my favorite, right, which was funny because it was the
cheapest one it was, and it was a deck from
five Below. Anybody that's ever gone there, it's like, you know,
a five dollars tarot deck or whatever, right, And and
then I got this one deck that so for Christmas

(01:38:35):
last year, I bought my mom. My mom's like grow
into coloring and stuff, right, and so I was like, well,
that'd be interesting. Maybe I'll get her one of those
tarot decks that you can color and you can make
your own colors on there or whatever, right, And so
I bought her that, and for my birthday this year,
she sent it to me in the mail, all colored,
and I'm like, that's like the perfect like magical tarot deck, right,

(01:38:58):
because you think about it, it's seventy eight cards, and
not only are you coloring the actual picture, you got
to color the back to every single one too, you know.
And so there was I just and and it was
even more awesome because my mom was coloring the actual
face of the card, you know, whether it's the Queen
of Swords or the Magician or whatever. And then my
dad was covering all the back and coloring all the

(01:39:20):
backs of them, and so it's like a little mix
of Yeah, it's like a little mix of them. So
that that became like my favorite deck. And then I
decided to get one of those decks because we're really
trying to understand the tarot and a little bit a
little bit more and just understanding the symbolism of each
individual card a little bit more. Maybe if you look
at one card and you can think of one word

(01:39:42):
every time you look at each each card, right, And
so I bought this other deck that's like one of
those beginner decks that's like like this right here, it
shows they the description of what it means, you know. Yeah,
and so I just pulled up the Night of Cups
just for example, and it says it stands for Roman.
It's charming, graceful invitations following your heart and dreams. So

(01:40:04):
just like all right, it's almost like flashcards. When are
you studying for a TI?

Speaker 4 (01:40:08):
Yeah? Yeah, at that point, it's funny. I've been pulling
the Night of Cups a lot lately. And it's funny
because my interpretation of a card has slowly changed over time,
although it does still mean those things like when I
see it, I see it as someone who has returned
from the hero's journey with the Licksir to share with
the people.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
Wow, that's funny that you bring that up. I was
just looking and there was this, Uh, I think it
was let me check it real quick because I sent
it to myself on Instagram, and that this guy was
talking about how there's any elixir that you can take
and basically, no matter what's wrong with you, it's always
going to heal you in some kind of way, and

(01:40:49):
it's made like with brown rice, and yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
Here it is and stuff like that. So yeah, yeah,
what is his.

Speaker 3 (01:40:56):
Name, Hiroshi Hasakawa, doctor Roshi Hasakawao. He posted about this
certain elixir and then mysteriously died in twenty twenty five,
you know those kind of things. But he called it STAP,
and so it says STAP sales can be easily made
at home. They were originally researched at the Kumamato University

(01:41:18):
and then entrusted to Reichen. The culture solution used as
the base was brown rice lactic acid bacteria, and they
say that that he was basically going on and saying
that it was some kind of magical elixir to where
anything that's wrong with you, it will heal you in
some kind of sense. But it's made of let's see,

(01:41:38):
so one cup of pesticide free brown rice, one and
a half liters of natural water, fifteen grams of natural
core salt and forty five grams of brown sugar. So
I just wanted to throw that out there and like
because people were eating that or drinking it or whatever
and were healing from everything, like from cancer and like

(01:41:59):
crazy thing, right, And I was like, dude, it does
exist out there anything.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
Oh yeah, but that's what this is. My whole thing though,
is that, like even the elixir and the metaphor of
the taro is it does It's not like an actual thing,
it's whatever it is to you. M hmm. It's like,
it's what did you learn? What is the what if
we all the mixing of all the things together, now,
how can you heal the people with what you've learned?

Speaker 5 (01:42:24):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
And that like c and even this elixir that you're
talking about, like it wouldn't surprise me at all of
it would work because if you think it does, it does.

Speaker 5 (01:42:33):
Oh dude, I feel that same placebo effects. Yeah, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
Every time I get sick, I know in my mind
that if I take like in a leave, that I
will be I will be feeling perfect. Like I've just
accepted that as my reality so much so that if
as soon as I get sick, and I as soon
as I pop like in a leve or two, and
I know I shouldn't be because it's Bayer and it's
big Pharma whatever, But as soon as I pop it
like it kicks in before it should. You know what

(01:43:00):
I'm saying, Like it doesn't make any damn sense, but
it's because of the placebo effect and that kind of
sense to where I've accepted that that is what's going
to make me feel better.

Speaker 5 (01:43:08):
And I think that you can the reality that you prefer.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
Right, And I think that you can kind of do
that with a lot of things, which is a.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
Lot of things. And when I'm done doing energy work,
if I don't cleanse myself physically and with the air,
I will like get sick and throw up. So like
what I do is I put like organic salt in
my hands and like imagine the energy like getting sucked
out through the salt, and then I washed my hands
with the salt. And that's actually a common thing that
like mystics and you know, especially like in Mexico and

(01:43:37):
South America do that kind of technique and saging and
all that kind of stuff. But like it's just the again,
it's the awareness, the imagination, the intention, all that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
Dude, It's crazy how all that stuff kind of does
work though, And like you know, for example, people thought
that it was just like an eclectic thing or a
witchy thing to save your house, right, and then they
found out that, oh, it actually does purify the air
whenever you light it, and it does get rid of
all of the the you know, impure particles of air,

(01:44:08):
and it moves stagnation right. Yeah, and you're supposed to,
like they say that, whenever you're cleansing your house or
your apartment or whatever with stage that you're supposed to
open a window or open your door and allow all
that shit to get out.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
You have to let you have to give the spirits
the way out.

Speaker 5 (01:44:24):
Yeah, dude, I got the Tarot card. If you gentlemen
are ready, let's go. Got the tin of wands.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Oh, okay, the ten of Ones we always, I mean,
we're still learning how to read these bad boys, but
the tent of Wands, here we go.

Speaker 5 (01:44:42):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
Be mindful of taking on too many responsibilities. It is
perfectly reasonable to protect your energy and say no after
digging into your energetic reserves for a long haul effort,
you find yourself push past your limits. In the tent
of Wand's card, a man struggles to carry a bundle
of ten wands, it representing the difficult task of juggling
multiple areas of life at once. He makes his way

(01:45:04):
toward a beautiful house in the distance, but his head
is down. The wands are heavy and obstructing his view.
He appears to trudge blindly forward, pushing himself to his
physical limits. The blue color of the card represents mental clarity,
indicating the man knows that he must complete this task,
no matter how uncomfortable and stressful it feels in the moment.
Peace of mind is just on the other side of

(01:45:26):
this experience. The spiritual message behind it says, saying yes
to everything and everyone has left you feeling burned out
and over and overburdened. Creating boundaries and saying no can
feel uncomfortable in the moment, but it is much more
sustainable than taking on the weight of the world. You
may be taking on incredible amounts of responsibility or creative
projects in order to meet your personal goals.

Speaker 5 (01:45:47):
That's great, dude, That's kind of how I was feeling
this morning. Man. You know, we were kind of short
staffed at work, and I just felt like everything was
on me. If I didn't do it, it wasn't going
to get done. And I was really stressing out, dude,
and it really just made for a kind of a
shitty day, you know. And so sometimes you just gotta,
you know, stop people please, and you can't please everybody.
You just can't. There's no way.

Speaker 4 (01:46:08):
Well, i'll tell you. The optimistic interpretation of that card
when I read that card is that you're almost You've
been in the desert hauling around all of your magic
and the shit you've picked up and the things you're
you know, the the things you need to take with you,
and you've been in the desert for thirty days and
like you've almost reached civilization. You're almost back. That's the

(01:46:31):
interpretation I like to give that card.

Speaker 5 (01:46:33):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
Oh yeah, that's more optimistic way of looking at it doesn't.
And that's the thing about every single card can be
read in a million different ways, you know, and that's it.
It kind of meets you where you are in that point.

Speaker 5 (01:46:46):
Yeah, like he was saying, this is how I look
at this card. Now, yeah, you know it evolves.

Speaker 4 (01:46:54):
Well, now now I just use cards to kind of
I guess, like channel what's on my mind. Like it's
less about kind of telling a story through the card.
It's more about having the card trigger a lesson that
I already know about that I've already been through, or
something I can help somebody.

Speaker 5 (01:47:09):
With, right, Yeah, right, perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
I wonder if that's what's going on too sometimes, Like
that's always in the back of my mind. Is my
energy being manifested in card form every time I draw
a Tarot card personally? Right? Like, is it just what'sever
on my mind that's being tattooed in the frequency of
a card in that moment you know?

Speaker 5 (01:47:30):
Or you know?

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
And that's because you want to believe that you're getting
a message from you know, a guide or something like that.
And I don't know, I guess is it just as
prevalent of a message if it's coming from your higher
self as opposed to a guide anyway?

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
I mean, I guess, yeah, it doesn't matter, dude, because
the truth is that if you're looking at a card, like,
does that picture of the card physically exist in your mind?
Like you know what I mean? Like, So, in my opinion,
that's that's a lot of proof of that, like you're
projecting it like you're it's you didn't you're creating that

(01:48:08):
image it didn't already exist.

Speaker 5 (01:48:10):
Right. Oh yeah, that does make sense too.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
Super Market said, I put the salt from the Dead
Sea in my shower for energy hygiene.

Speaker 4 (01:48:20):
Yeah, it's great. Interesting, you know, see sand and salt
water is like the best way to ground yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
Also interesting, I've been hearing a lot of people use
the Celtic salt too. Yeah, so pretty powerful stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
As long as it's not like table salt, because that's
like super refined, not natural, like you know, made with
you know, in a chemistry process.

Speaker 5 (01:48:45):
It's all bleached.

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
Yeah, Supermarket said, it's divination speaking with the gods. You're
taking or you're talking to yourself because you are God.

Speaker 4 (01:48:55):
Yes, when you're speaking the truth, you are speaking divine information.

Speaker 5 (01:49:02):
You feel so much better too, right.

Speaker 4 (01:49:04):
Yeah. And I can't tell you how many times, you know,
I used to think, wait, no, this isn't psychic. But
what it was is like I would be relating it
to something that happen to me, and then they would
be like, oh my god, yes, and I was like, okay,
so it does work this way. It's not just like
that I have images and that the truth or whatever.
It's like, I'm literally it's triggering a memory in me

(01:49:25):
and now I'm sharing that with you, and now it
resonates with you like yep.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
Oh man, yeah, because we're all one damn thing anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
So all right, well, I think we're gonna wrap it
up right there. We're gonna get over to the meditation
and finish out the rest of the show. But for
anybody who wants to be able to find you, Banksy,
how would they go about doing?

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
Your music, all your stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:49:49):
Man, Optimistic Banks, It's optimistic with the why Mystic Optimistic Banks. Yeah, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Spotify,
i Itune or you know, Apple music everywhere and everywhere.
And I also I'm doing a Mystic work full time now,
providing one on one sessions, energy work, monthly mentorship, energy clearing,

(01:50:15):
timeline activation, tarot reading, all that fun stuff. So if
you go to my Instagram or TikTok, just click on
my link in my bio and you get everything you
need there.

Speaker 5 (01:50:25):
Oh well, dude, go check out Optimistics music if you
want to listen to something that actually means something, you know,
something on a deeper level, which we all crave, you know,
go check.

Speaker 3 (01:50:34):
It out, dude, so good perfectly resonates and it's man,
it's it's not poisonous like a lot of the other
music that's out there. You know what I'm saying. It's
the exact opposite. And you feel that just frequency wise,
every time you listen to it, whether you're paying attention
to the lyrics or not, it like it. It resonates
either way.

Speaker 5 (01:50:51):
It's so good.

Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
Thank you. I put a lot of heart and soul
and truth into a lot of vulnerability.

Speaker 5 (01:50:59):
It shows, he said.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
Optimistic Banks is Instagram is fire. Yeah, I love it, man,
love it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:07):
Just today hit thirty three thousand followers on Instagram and
thirty three.

Speaker 5 (01:51:11):
Is my numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
Yeah, today has a very special day.

Speaker 5 (01:51:16):
Ship dude, good ship three three three three three Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
I just love it.

Speaker 5 (01:51:21):
Well, I love y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:51:21):
I'm gonna take off then you all be very good
you next time, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
All right, we'll see you.

Speaker 5 (01:51:26):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
Man, what a episode. What a character to be talking
to Optimistic.

Speaker 5 (01:51:33):
Yeah, it's it's so awesome, you know, because uh we
found here. I've seen him on Instagram and and a
lot of his videos. Man, They're just so informative and
just the energy he puts off. You know, like there's
been days where, you know, maybe I'm having a rough
day or whatever, and then one of his videos will
pop up and I'm just like, I can't believe we
were able to get him on our show at all,
you know, and so I just felt like it was

(01:51:54):
a privilege.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
Oh dude, just a stud And I feel like that
with a lot of the people that we've had on
the show, you know, whether it be him or Lord
Byron or Ronnie Pontiac or you know, the list goes on,
all of the amazing people that have you know, uh,
the student, when student is ready, the teacher appears. In
that sense, it's just really cool. So, uh yeah, we're

(01:52:16):
gonna get over to that meditation. If you want to
be a part of that meditation, the only place to
be able to do that is over at patreon dot
com slash Meta Mysteries. We don't put it on the podcast.
We don't put it on YouTube because then there's gonna
be ad interruption. Ain't nobody trying to be interrupted by
an ad during a meditation.

Speaker 5 (01:52:29):
It's like the worst thing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
So if you want to be able to join us
on that or on the live shows, then it's patreon
dot com slash Meta Mysteries. So yeah, dude, that was
a fun episode and can't wait until next week whenever
we go again. I'm sure we're gonna get some awesome
guests for that one too, absolutely, or at least it's
gonna be a great topic. Either way, it's always so
much fun. Yeah, doing doing the live shows is like

(01:52:52):
the most fun. So yeah, that being said, we're gonna
get over to it. And uh, if you would leave
a review, give us five stars. Whether you're listening to
us on the Cult of Conspiracy podcast or the Meta
Mysteries podcast, it really helps the algorithm in that way
get pushed out to more people. If you want to
help initiate your cousin, your friend, your co worker, your

(01:53:14):
your mom, even, let's bring her in and you know,
bring her into the conversation. Let's get weird, dude. But yeah,
I think we're gonna get over the meditation now. And
so with that being said, if optimistic Banks came here
and he taught you anything, it's that you don't know
what you don't know, So I don't just get weird.

Speaker 5 (01:53:34):
It stay weird.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
Inside your mind ordinary form because color soul stars line
in the mental mysteries your fund All right, that was.

Speaker 5 (01:53:54):
A good one, yeah, man, that that seems like, uh,
that is what you would hear if you were just
able to all of a sudden be able to observe
the mystery, you know what I mean. I feel like
that's what I'm gonna start calling it. You know, that
that unknown, that that thing that it seems like we're
always searching for but can never never find because it's

(01:54:15):
always just out of reach. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
Oh dude, it's it's the dowel. You know, the dow
that can be named is not the.

Speaker 5 (01:54:22):
Dowel exactly, yeah, exactly. And if you think about it,
whenever you know you are looking into something, something you
don't quite understand, it's it seems to be mysterious, and
then you finally land on something that seems to really
kind of hold water and it really makes sense and
at least it's something that you can accept as your

(01:54:46):
chosen subjective reality. At that point, it's no longer part
of the mystery because now you understand it, you know,
at least to your experience, Rightah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
Yeah, it's you know, what's funny is is that in
that meditation, I was like, you know it. Sometimes it
takes me a little bit longer. Sometimes I can get
there really quick. At first, I actually thought that I
was in meditation, like almost immediately, right. But then after
a while, it was like another almost like a literal

(01:55:16):
It felt like a literal wave washed over me, and
it felt like I got pushed even deeper into it.
Oh right, And and then I just started For some reason,
I always think about like the Garden of Eden. I
have no idea why, right, but you know, ever since Supermarke,
he brought up the Archons and the Demiurge, and like that,

(01:55:37):
I'd just been so immersed in that whole world and
trying to understand the you know, the that whole story
and and if you remember the Demiurge, whenever he was
like I am God, and then there was another voice
that whispered over him and basically just said no, you're
not or something like that, right, yeah, And it made
me think, like, you know, the people that go deep

(01:56:00):
into meditation, they think that their thought and their voice
in their head is would be like the God.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:56:08):
And then I could imagine that like somebody getting a
little cocky that way and saying, oh, well, this place,
this treehouse, place that I get to, this has to
be the voice of God. And then there's like another
subtle little voice that says, but there's still something more
over you in that sense, right, And that's kind of
how I look at it, like that's I don't know,
that's what was going on in my mind in that point.

(01:56:29):
I thought it was pretty interesting. And that's how I
feel about it. Like a lot of this spiritual stuff
is that even when you think you know that you're
absolutely right, there's still something extra that is there that's
saying there's more and you don't have it all figured
out yet.

Speaker 5 (01:56:46):
Yeah, exactly. I feel like that's going to be an
ongoing struggle. You know, if we are in this reality
of duality, you know, there's always going to be the tugging,
you know, like Optimistic was speaking on as far as
you know, the push and pull back and forth type
of thing, you know. And I don't know, man, I
find it very interesting. The thing that I that I've

(01:57:08):
been really looking into or just really pondering, is, you know,
how people, why is it that we tend to believe
or or suspect rather you know, that there's something above
us at all. You know, like I just get amazed
at the fact that just on a physical aspect, you know,

(01:57:30):
that atoms and things were put together in such a
way from the universe, you know, being what it is,
and now here we are contemplating it, you know, like
the universe contemplating back to itself like that right there
just strips me out.

Speaker 3 (01:57:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, well yeah, it's just like Bank said,
and the whole idea around you know, Platonism in general
is just contemplation and just contemplating on the next higher
up level of you know, is that where I came from?

Speaker 5 (01:57:59):
And if I'm everything, then why is there's this extra shit?
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, And it's funny you
say that that the next level because in that meditation,
I actually felt like this weird like sensation of like
could you know, almost like I just went up like
a flight of steps or something like that was super strange.

Speaker 3 (01:58:17):
But it just reminds me of like, you know, even
the you know, let's say that there is a creator,
you know, for that whole conversation, and I'm not one
hundred percent sure. Maybe there's a creator. Maybe everything always
existed all the time and there never was a beginning.
I can honestly accept both. And but either way, like,
let's say that there was one thing at the very beginning, right,

(01:58:41):
and you know, call it the Big Bang, and it
was the tiny atom that had so much energy that
it just had to explode whatever. Right, if that's what
it was, then you could imagine that, you know, like if,
for a lack of a better term, we'll call it
I don't want to say that, let's just call it
the Source, right, And the Source was trying to figure

(01:59:01):
out where the hell it came from, what its purpose is,
trying to identify even what it is. It doesn't even
know what the fuck it is, right, and so it
explodes out into everything to try and really understand itself
a little bit more from all these billions and trillions
of different perspectives and everything, and just everybody is always
staring in amazement about why am I here and what

(01:59:23):
am I doing? And obviously that would be the same
questions that even the Source would have, right, like, yeah,
I don't know, I think it's fun.

Speaker 4 (01:59:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:59:33):
I was contemplating also, you know, like thinking about if
there is an infinite amount of versions of myself, you know.
Then definitely there's a version of myself that is super
hardcore religious, you know. And then I was trying to
get into that mind, you know, and understanding like, oh, well,
then this is how I would think, And of course
I would try to get other people to believe what

(01:59:54):
I believe because it's true, you know. And then I
start to think about objective truth and subjective truth, and
you know, maybe there's an an objective truth, but we'll
never know it because we're always in a subjective uh
you know what I'm saying understanding of things. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:00:12):
Well, and that's the beauty around a lot of the
different things that we talk about, because you could look
at any one of the things that we talk about
and say, that's the truth, right. But I mean, I
feel like by pointing to what the truth is, you're
only discrediting everything that it everything else that it could
be right, you know, exactly, because.

Speaker 5 (02:00:31):
Now it's no longer the mystery, you know what I mean,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:00:35):
Yeah, yeah, so, And and that's the crazy thing is, like,
you know, they all kind of work, and they're just
different ways of being able to look at the unidentifiable.

Speaker 5 (02:00:46):
Right, And that's why I feel like there's no point,
you know, lately, I've been seeing a lot of debates,
and I think it's just because it's what I've been
looking into and just kind of giving into the minds
of you know, people that think or believe something different
than myself, and you know, I don't there's no point
in trying to argue with somebody at least coming to

(02:01:06):
the understanding that we've come to, you know, as of
right now, is that everybody's right. What you believe in
is is good for you and good for you, you know,
and what I believe and what I think it could
be it works for me and so good for me.

Speaker 3 (02:01:21):
I've come to the understanding that there's a better way
to work around that. So and you know, especially you know,
talking with Jacob every day for the cult, it's like,
instead of declaring what something is and what something is
in and saying that what you believe is wrong or
what you believe is right or whatever, instead I have
found myself just asking more questions to not only not

(02:01:43):
only out of my own curiosity, but to make other
people think a little bit more deeply about their own beliefs.
So instead of making a statement, framing it as a
question to make them go a little bit deeper into it.

Speaker 5 (02:01:54):
Mm hmmm yeah. Thus, I mean then you have a
better understanding as well, you know, about what somebody else believes.
And I don't know, man, I think that's the way
it's supposed to be. You know.

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
Yeah, I would say that it's always better to be
a little just to be more inquisitive than it is
to be firm and and trying to say that, like
what I say is absolutely right, Like nobody likes that
kind of person across all aspects. It's like, you know,
a Cowboys fan can sit here and say the Cowboys
are the greatest NFL team to ever exist. I'm going

(02:02:26):
to disagree with that, you know, like just hand over fist.
I'm going to disagree with that every time exactly. So yeah,
I mean there's always ways. But instead of saying, no,
the Cowboys suck, which they do. But instead of saying
that no, they suck, be like can you point to
like why are they the best of all time? And

(02:02:47):
also if they're the best of all time, how come
they haven't wont a playoff game? And like in my lifetime,
you know, I'm just curious, like, you know, just say
frame it in that kind of sense and.

Speaker 5 (02:02:55):
That would be an objective truth. You know, everyone can
agree on that, right, right. So I think they did
win one playoff game in my life, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:03:03):
Not very many, but anyway, so yeah, I was just
looking at the calendar and I realized that we do
already have a guest for next next Wonder Wisday, and
it's gonna be a good one.

Speaker 5 (02:03:15):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (02:03:15):
It's a brand new guest we haven't had on before.
And if you want to go check her out, she's
on TikTok. I found her on TikTok. I actually find
most of the people on TikTok, Like most of the
people we get on here are either on TikTok or Instagram,
just because I'm always I always got that, like, you know,
I'm always searching for the next guest or the next
show idea, or you know, trying to find a little

(02:03:37):
bit of influence from all the different reaches. And so
this person, her name is never more Aries, and she's
a witch and she dude, I'm telling you, she knows
her shit. You like you can ask you'll be able
to ask her anything like one of those kind of witches.
And have we had a witch on the show, like
an actual knowledgeable witch. I'm trying to think like we've

(02:04:01):
had our wizards and our magician of course, yeah, of course,
you know, but a witch witch, I don't think so, dude.

Speaker 5 (02:04:09):
I think we were supposed to at one point and
I don't know what. I don't know what happened with that,
but yeah, I think this will be our first.

Speaker 3 (02:04:15):
Well, dude, go check it out if you have TikTok.
Her name is never more Areas, very knowledgeable, and you
can just tell she lives that life, you know what
I mean, Very intentional, very witchy. It's like Halloween every day,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (02:04:29):
So I love it.

Speaker 3 (02:04:31):
So yeah, we're gonna do that, brit said. The work
van that my father in law bought today, it just
so happened to have thirty three thousand, three hundred and
thirty three miles on it.

Speaker 5 (02:04:39):
Oh nice, heang A strong man is a strong fan.
And my my car actually just went over two hundred
thousand and just the other day I took a picture
of it and it was two hundred thousand and fifty five.
Oh that's kind of cool. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:04:55):
Yeah, Hey, Dudef, you can get two hundred thosand miles.

Speaker 4 (02:04:58):
In your car.

Speaker 5 (02:04:58):
You're doing something good. Yeah, man.

Speaker 3 (02:05:02):
So all right, well, I guess we'll wrap it up
right there, and we will. We have some amazing shows
coming up in the future. As I said that, we
have the never More Aries. Actually the next is it
the next episode, one of the next episodes that we're
gonna have, not that I don't think it's the next one,
but we're also getting Todd Cave back on the show

(02:05:23):
here soon. We have never More Aries, we have and
then not this. So the next one is the Witch,
but the one after that is going to be the
guy that gets his crew together, goes out and meditates
in the desert and believes that he's talking to the
Tall Whites. He's going to be coming on for the
for the live show. So I'm just trying to get

(02:05:43):
like a bunch of awesome individuals to come on and
you know, kind of shed the different perspectives. The last
thing we want to do is just turn this into
some kind of echo chamber, which I believe that it's
important to grasp all of them. You know, we've had
you know, Christians on the show. We've had Muslims on
the show. We've had magicians and wizards and you know,
like all over the place, it's and and occultists and

(02:06:06):
you know, spiritual people like optimistic and and and just
trying to find whatever that underlying film of everything is.

Speaker 5 (02:06:14):
In that sense, man, I'm excited. I'm excited for things
to come, man. And and that guess about the aliens, dude,
I don't know what it is, man, but I've been
getting back into that mindset. I don't know if that's
everybody or what, but uh, yeah, it's definitely coming back around.
It has to be.

Speaker 3 (02:06:30):
Yeah, So all right, everybody, we will We will see
y'all next Wednesday, and we love you, and we'll.

Speaker 5 (02:06:38):
See you on the flip side by.

Speaker 1 (02:06:41):
Voices, drift on winds unting where it's like spells that
can't be made. Close your eyes and feel the sound
journey where no bounds are found.

Speaker 2 (02:07:00):
Beside your mind, leave the ordinary far behind, the colors
swell and stars alive in the mental mysteries, you'll find

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