Gene Keys | Discover & Transform W/ Tiffany Haney - Meta Mystics

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You created everything, what put a powerful being you are?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
You did these things, but now you're in a human body,
you forget the power you have.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
What you do is what the whole universe is doing
at the place you call here, and now you are
something the whole universe is doing, in the same way
that a way is something that the whole ocean is doing.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
You're doing, You're doing what.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Welcome to Metimistics where you don't know what? You don't know?
My name's Jonathan Sean Tiffany, don't I don't know if
you know that we changed the name of our show
to Metamistics.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Have you heard.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
I was just going to comment on that. I mean,
I yes, of course I listened to you guys, so
changed but I don't know, uh why you did.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well, you know, it was kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Like it like made people understand your show more.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, I mean, I guess, So mysteries, I guess could
kind of really be anything. You know, the mysteries are
more of like a an initiated kind of a situation
going on there, you know, trying to delve into the mysteries,
which you know, which is really cool, But I don't
know mystics. It just feels right.

Speaker 6 (01:29):
You know. I just felt like something that we would
want to embody, you know what I mean, really trying
to understand the the fullness and vastness of this this reality,
you know, rather than saying, oh, you know, it's just
all a mystery and we'll never kind of figure it out.
Let's let's at least figure out and understand what we
can and and take that. And I don't know, it
just felt right.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
It did like your opening gam though, the opening.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, uh well mm each yeah, yeah, it's a different,
different intro for each one. Oh, jeffany you know what,
for any of those who maybe this is their first
time listening to you, could you tell the one out
there where they can find you what you're about? You know,

(02:15):
who are you to the newbie?

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Who are we all? I am?

Speaker 5 (02:22):
Well, I had a spiritual shop I've closed.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Last time I talked to you guys, it was still open.

Speaker 6 (02:29):
Huh.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
Then I went through a collapse and discovery of oneself
and I'm still I guess you're just always.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Going through that.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
But now I'm doing everything online and so I'm an
intuitive reader oracle reader, and I like to go down
rabbit holes and I have a podcast. Well, I actually
have three podcasts now, but one podcast that you can
go check out if you go on YouTube Rooted Freak
and see Lovely.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Well, I feel like, you know, and it's and it's
sad to say, but where I feel like we're probably
moving into a day and age where you know, most
people are just going online for everything. And it's sad
because going into a metaphysical uh, a metaphysical shop is special,
Like there is something magnetic about going in there. As
a matter of fact, the first time I met you, well,

(03:22):
the first time I did a show with you, I
was in Christie's Metaphysical Shop, and you know that was
a whole situation. Don't get me started on that. But
going in there every day was special. You know, you
got to see the crystals and all the tarot cards,
and somebody was always burning incense or sage or and
there was always somebody receiving a reading and you kind
of wanted to be a little peep and Tom and
be like, I wonder what's going on in her life?

(03:44):
You know, it was always just magic over there, and
really loved it. So it is sad, but you know
what you're you're still going and you still got it online?
What what is the name of that? Uh, the online shop?

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Oh, I am selling crystal on whatnot?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Oh and what not? What not is awesome? I do
like that, my sister does.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, yeah, it's fun. It's a lot of work, and
everyone expects a crystal for a dollar. Like I don't
want to pay more than a dollar for anything. So
but I mean I've I've done pretty well. I like
sold pretty much everything from my shop. But yeah, like
it's been quite a journey because my shop actually was

(04:28):
doing well. It closed for a plethora of reasons. But
I really honestly think that when stuff happens in life
that doesn't make any sense, Like on paper, I was
doing well and I was trying to expand, and I

(04:48):
just kind of ended up, you know, hooking my horse
to the wrong wait, hooking my.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
And this per like ended up scamming me.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
So but the fact that everything happened the way it
did and everything was going so well and I did,
I still believe in what I was building. I know
for a fact that that's even more proof that the
universe stepped in and I was like, no, this is
not the direction for you, because there's there's no logical

(05:26):
reason that it didn't work out.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, it's weird. You know, there's there's a lot of
things that really don't make any sense, like in the moment,
you know, and that's that's the most difficult thing, because
you feel like you're doing the right thing. You feel
like you did everything right to get up to that point,
and sometimes things just don't work out, and you know,
it's it's unfortunate. But ultimately I feel like, call it
the universe, the one God whatever, probably wouldn't have laid

(05:50):
that on you if if it knew that you couldn't
handle it, you know. And and it was like the.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
Best thing ever that even like the week after it
happened people expected me to be I was like, it
felt like this boulder was lifted off my back, and
I realized I was being limited trying to think so big,
if that makes sense, because I was stretched so thin
and just doing stuff one on one in my shop

(06:15):
and like book solid and it was just not sustainable.
So I was like, well, no, I will do it
all online and it's way better.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
Hey, well that's great. It's just another step in your journey,
you know, if you're spread so thin and you're doing
all these things and you're completely booked up. It's like,
where's the time for Tiffany? You know, I feel like
you still need to have experiences and really try to
especially in this spiritual realm, like what the fuck's really
going on anymore? You know, So for you to have
that time for yourself and really even just to meditate
or go walk around in the woods or whatever it is,

(06:47):
you know, like you need those types of experiences to
really kind of have these epiphanies or whatever it is,
you know that just happens to come to.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
You can't pour from an empty cup, as they say.

Speaker 6 (06:57):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Yeah, Like even yesterday I had time. This is fun, guys.
I went outside. So I've been like on this well,
I'm always on rabbit holes, right, but I've been trying
to study connections between a bunch of different stuff, a
lot of quantum explanations going through the Codex and harmonic

(07:19):
frequency things like that. So I went outside and I
kind of built my own experiment and I had like
a spreadsheet and I tried to manipulate the cars that
drove by, like the colors of the cars. I'm on
a busy road the back of my house. So I
was like, oh, I use this so basically like meditating,

(07:41):
and then you.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Like fold up a paper like papers with.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
You know, yellow, red, black, white, and then you draw
one so that it's totally up to chance. And then
I would count like twenty five cars. But before you take,
you know, you do breath and then you kind of
focus like really hard on the color that you and
you start seeing like only that.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Color go by.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
It's pretty crazy because and then you can look up
like the statistical probability or you know, chat GPT, like
what's the statistical probability for like blue cars? Like I
did blue cars and I there was eleven out of
twenty five and that's like extremely high, like there should
have been only like three or two. So what I'm

(08:27):
just like, what I'm discovering is that I mean, not
that I'm discovering but feeling deeper, I guess, is this
connection between that everything's true, like we are in some
sort of simulation, we do have control over our reality,
Like everything has little bits of truth and they're all

(08:48):
sprinkled in there, and if we can like work our
way through those things, I think it's like we slowly master.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
Life you're the one, Neil, she's beginning to believe.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, it does feel that way too. Like, for example,
you know how whenever you're around certain people, it's like
the energy changes no matter who it is. Could be good,
could be bad, could just be you know, even keel,
whatever it is. But there seems to be some kind
of energy energy shift every time you're spending more than
just a few minutes with somebody or around somebody. And

(09:24):
so I recently just moved to Arizona last week, and
and you know, I'm out here. I'm staying in my
parents guest house to try and save up some money
so eventually, you know, move back and that whole thing.
But yeah, it's it's so weird because I'm used to
living by myself and now, you know, by myself and
my kids and everything. But but now I'm I'm living

(09:45):
with basically two more adults, and it's it's like a
different code going on. Like it feels so strange, like
just to just trying to observe it, not for what
you know, I think it is, but just observing it
for what it may be I guess. And dude, I
tell you what it feels like. Reality is just totally different.
I don't even know how else to explain that. Maybe

(10:08):
that's just more of a weird thing that I'm personally experiencing.
It's also a full moon tonight. I think it's the
Is it the Hunter's moon tonight?

Speaker 6 (10:17):
Oh I'm not sure, but I did notice it's a full.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Moon, so that's the Hunter's Okay.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, it's really strange, but not just you. Yeah, like
you feel that way too, like being around not I mean,
it's my parents. It's not somebody that's brand new, but
you know, it's brand new to be as much around
them as I am.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
Now, you know, well, I mean there's a huge cheft
happening right now. And I think even you know, the
whole everyone was waiting for the rapture that was.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Supposed to happen.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
So I did like a whole post on that it
did happen, Okay, but it wasn't like the end of
the world, but it was the end of the world
as we knew it. The entire frequency of our world shifted,
and we've known as spiritual beings that we've been going
from a three D universe to a five D And

(11:08):
this is part of it, because we are used to
going through individual ascension, and some people have been going
through it longer than others, but now we're experiencing a
collective ascension and it's the first time for it, so
we're reaching these milestones energetically together for the first time.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
And that's why things feel so freaking different.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
And it's like the Earth herself is ascending as well.
So like it's not just I hear it from everyone.
It's like the world has never felt so real yet
so not real, and that's the only way it seems
like everyone can kind of explain it.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
It's like you're looking and you're like, that's not a
real tree.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
But I've never felt like the you know, but I've
never felt like the veil, so so it's like so bizarre.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
It is really bizarre the feeling, you know. And and
I don't know, maybe I was just equating that to
move in out here, but yeah, it seems like something
is really off. Like I almost feel like you ever
noticed whenever whenever you have a lucid dream and everybody's
wearing a hat, but you decide to take your hat off,
and everybody stares at you and they're like, whoa, what's

(12:25):
this guy not wearing a hat. What's going on here?

Speaker 6 (12:27):
Right?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
And they're like, hold on, like you just threw an
entire wrench into the machine that we got going on
over here. It's almost as if you were to just
take all your clothes off run around naked like that feeling,
you know. And man, it's it does seem like it's
strange right now. And I've been having even the strangest dreams,
like dreams that I normally wouldn't even normally dream. Yeah,

(12:51):
it's it's like things that I'm not even thinking about,
you know. And I know that the subconscious picks up
on a lot of things and whatever, but yeah, man,
I don't. I don't know, because normally your dreams kind
of play off of your desires or your fears or
something like that, right, not so much lately, you know,
just to get weird, you want to hear.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
What I was thinking of the other day.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
So, like, you know, if like all of the like
the observer effect in quantum physics. So they say, like,
that's kind of why, like the elite is so obsessed
with making themselves have some sort of legacy, because it's
like if no one's looking at you, do you exist?

Speaker 4 (13:32):
You know.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
So I was like thinking about it and going down
my multiple dimension parallel peeps line of thinking, and what
if when we go to sleep the world ceases to
exist and so we hop over to other timelines.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, that's the many world's interpretation, right.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
They think our world stops existing.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Well, ever, none of that. If you've ever seen there's
this show called What's the show I'm thinking of Sean
on Netflix? The oay Yeah right, yeah, yeah. I like
it to where she dies and then she wakes up
in another reality. Maybe she's rushing nice total.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
I totally think that's true.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I mean, there's no way to disprove it. You know.

Speaker 6 (14:20):
Sometimes it does feel that way, you know, like one
day can be so different from the next, you know.
And I did this thing where it was like a
I don't remember if it was a full moon or
a new moon, but we did this thing where we
just kind of wrote down some things that we were
trying to detach from release, you know, because it was
no longer serving us. And the next day I definitely
felt like there was a shift in just the whole

(14:42):
experience of the day, everything around me. Every But then again,
I'm like, well, I mean, if if in my subconscious mind,
I accepted the fact that I released those things that
no longer serve me. So now am I just experiencing
that but at the subconscious level. And that's why it's
so hard to put words to it, you know, It's
just that's my reality.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Now, dude. Right, Yeah, It's like, and this is something
that I've been kind of playing around with, is like,
you know how with especially within quantum mechanics, it'll say
that whenever something is being observed, it'll act differently, right, yeah.
And and I've been trying to like really think about that,
like just as far as observing my own reality almost
like from a bird's eye view, right. And I feel

(15:25):
like whenever I'm like just sitting there observing, not trying
to persuade it to go one way or another, right, like,
not trying to manipulate reality or co create even it's
just more of a you know, I'm just I'm just
an old man on a porch watch in the cars
go by kind of thing. And it's so strange because
through my observation, and it's not even how I'm interpreting it.

(15:50):
Through my observation, it seems different. It's almost as if
when you observe life is so much different than when
you don't observe. And that sounds crazy, but like our
our observation changes the reality in which we live. Like
that statement out loud is crazy, right, Like it's.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
Something crazy crazy though, Like how many times have you
looked over because for some reason you just thought you
had to look over and somebody was just staring at
you from the car next to you, you know what
I mean, And then all of a sudden they look
away and act like they weren't just staring at you,
Like there was a reason you felt like there was
some some disturbance in the force, you know, and you
had to like you were being observed, you know, Like

(16:29):
what is that? Why does that happen?

Speaker 2 (16:31):
How you can just feel it in the first place?

Speaker 6 (16:33):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, dude, Well look, Tiffany, we did have you on
for a reason, Tiya. We're happy to get mystical and
weird up in this beach with you anytime, really, but
we wanted to learn a little bit about the gene
keys with you. This is something that I hear a
lot of people talking about, you know, and from what
I understand, it's almost pretty relatable to the eaching, which

(16:56):
I would love to do an episode on that as well.
Maybe we'll cover a little bit of it tonight. But
the e ching has been around for over three thousand
years and it's I mean, it's a very old form
of divination, long before tarot, long before just about any
modern divinatory thing that you can do. And so what

(17:17):
is it about the gene keys, Like, can you just
tell us and explain it to us a little bit
about what's really going on?

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (17:24):
And I also think those things that you just described
something that's important for people to know. Is really it's
all just ways to understand the way energy works. And
that's the whole point all of these little things human design,
the chakra system and gene keys, it's all connected, you know,

(17:47):
and it's how our energy flows and kind of our purpose.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Gene keys can.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
Definitely give us a little bit more of a insight
into purpose, I guess. But everything kind of works together,
so I think it's all worth exploring for yourself. And
this is another one of those things if anybody has
heard me talk about human design, that you can go
online and for free type in your birth chart details

(18:12):
and pull it up and there's some really good actually
I'll send you guys a link of the one that
I like so that you can put.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
It with this episode. Sure for people if they want
to look that up.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
But basically, you know, this is another one of those
concepts that this one was developed by Richard Rudd and
it what I like about it is that I've been
getting I think DNA is very important and we don't
like when we think of DNA, we think of just
you know, our genetic makeup as humans. Our DNA carries

(18:48):
spiritual makeup. And I think that's what so many of
these scientists have tried to explain through these different systems
that they've came up with. So this explains like our
how our DNA has we're born with certain challenges, we're
born with certain gifts, same thing with like human design, right,

(19:08):
But by understanding these.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Keys there's sixty four keys, they say, you.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
Can kind of like unlock your highest potential, so you
can really use it as kind of like your life journey.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
So similar to like if you've ever had.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
A really deep astrology reading where someone if you ever
sit down with somebody like that, they can either like
tell you how you're affected right now or everything when
you were born, and even you know, I had one
woman who was very good with astrology.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
I'm not an expert in astrology. It's very in depth,
but she was.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Able to like go through and say, okay, so this
right here shows your teen years and this says that
you would have had a struggle in this area and
it was true.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
So I think all of these things kind of map
out energetically. It's almost like.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Experiences that were that we're supposed to have right to
shape who we are, and it might be a little bit.
I always say we do have free will, but it's
more like even listening to this woman, you know, if
I was supposed to have an experience of being like
taken advantage of by like a male energy, that could
be you know, taking care. Like there's so many different

(20:25):
ways that can come through, you know, like with a
father figure, with a boyfriend, with a friend, with an employer,
like so many different ways. So we have like free
will in that way. But our ups and downs I
think are totally built in. So looking at the which
I did both of your charts, did you guys look
at them?

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I did? I actually have them pulled up right now?

Speaker 5 (20:47):
Oh shit, I added stuff today too, So I have
like so people could see like.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
A little intro to Jane Keys because it is in depth.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
So when we look at like each gene key, there's
a shadow, a gift, and your city, which is like.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Your enlightened expression.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
So you know pretty much everything spiritually that we talk
about doing shadow work, we talk about like you know,
through the shadow work is how we kind of explore
and find our light and release those things and then
we can kind of arrive at this place of spiritual enlightenment.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Right, So is that the same city the the the
Hindus talk about is like almost like a supernatural power.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
M okay, yeah, so like yeah, and I always just
think of it, like I don't know, every time I
hear it, I just think of like this really enlightened
Buddhist monk sitting on top of a mountain.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
But I mean that's like essentially kind of.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
What it is like you get to this place where
you are one connected with everything, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
And I mean where I first started about that was
the h The Autobiography of a Yogi by paramhase Yokananda. Dude,
that book is if anybody is interested in any like upgrades,
potentially if you want to try and figure out what
your forget the human body, what you are capable of

(22:19):
becoming and doing and accessing. These things are incredible, you know,
And and people literally dedicate their lives within meditation and
fasting and abstaining from, you know, all of life's pleasures,
and they're able to achieve these crazy superpowers, you know,
like being able to create a scent in your hand,

(22:40):
or being able to levitate, or being able to have
super strength, or like astro projection and the wildest things,
and and you hear about it, like you'll hear about
even there's there's saints that have achieved this form of
remote viewing to where they're able to go and visit
somebody in real time with like their energy body or

(23:04):
their astral body. And the people think that they're actually
talking to this person that is astral projecting or remote viewing,
and it's so crazy and they're like, oh, yeah, I
just saw him last week, so they they believe that
they're seeing like him, like his body, right, you know,
the person that is astu projecting or whatever. And the
one saint, I can't remember what his name, but he

(23:27):
liked it might have been, but there was another one
there was like a Catholic saint that was able to
go out of his body and visit all these people
went up. He went up and like visited somebody as
they were flying a fucking plane or something. It was crazy, right,
And he went back to like go and try and
talk to him. And I guess the person that was
at the monastery or the person that was at the

(23:47):
church says, oh, yeah, he never comes out of his room,
so you couldn't have You couldn't have seen him like
he was there the whole time, right, And so it's
it's and this is the thing. It's not demonic like
people that just instantly assume that we can do these
supernatural things. It is not a demonic thing. It is
something that not even the human is capable of. It's

(24:08):
something that you, as the spirit, as the soul, as
the energy, the thing that never dies, is capable of.
And I just love learning about that kind of stuff.
So I'm stoked to hear about the cities.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
You know what I think it is though, because you
just brought up something I recently was thinking about. I
think that when people meditate and they reach this certain level,
I think it's all of this stuff, which is why
I wanted to tie it back into like the Codex
and Robert Grant's work, because once you understand how the

(24:40):
universe works, It's like Nikola Tesla saying that once you
understood that the harmonics of everything in the numbers, that
you could control the universe. I think it has to
do with understanding that like dimensional space doesn't exist. So
do you remember when all of those like CIA documents
were released where they showed all of the experience experiments

(25:04):
that they did in like the seventies and eighties on
psychic space.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Oh yeah, like kids, Project Stargate and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
So there was like one with this kid that if
you go through and read it. They had an envelope
and they.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
Sealed it, and they told the kid that he had
to like get the letter out of the envelope without
opening the envelope. So he would and it didn't even
take that long, like he would focus and he did
sure enough, and they did this like over and over again.
He was able to take the letter out and he
was also able to put it back in seamlessly, and

(25:44):
they said it would just like disappear and appear. So
I was like talking about that with my husband, and
you know, he's not very like spiritual, and he's.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Like, yeah, but what's your what's your source for this?

Speaker 5 (25:57):
I was like Cia Dove like these are Documentari's like
oh okay, but I was.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Like, you know, let me explain it.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
And then I was like okay because I watched this
one video that was like really eye opening for me.
When you think about like two D three D, so
we like see everything in three D.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
But like if we were.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
Cartoon characters and we saw everything in two D, then
like you could have you know, a like a box
or whatever, you know, but it would look like a
piece of paper.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
You know.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
So let's say the back of the box is open,
so to a two dimensional person, they have this piece
of paper and they're like, you know, oh, get the
piece of paper out of there. But we're three D,
so we go okay, and then you go around the
back of the box and they're like, holy shit, that
like that just appeared out of nowhere, because that's what

(26:51):
it would look like, like it would your hand, like
everything would disappear and then just appear. So I was like,
I bet that's just My theory is that they have
a kind of mastered understanding that there's more dimensions that
we can't see, so like they're going into a fifth dimensional,
sixth dimensional, you know seven to access these things.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
There's probably like.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
An opening and they're like boom, you know. And I
don't know if they think of it like that or
if other dimensions once you access those, if it's not
even physical and it's in our minds.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
So that's my thinking, but well, let me think about that.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, it's so interesting too, like all that remote viewing
stuff and yeah, there's a there was some kind of
convention that was just a couple of weeks ago that
was specifically on that that I was kind of following
as it went by, and it's like games or yeah,
the side games. Yeah yeah, yeahah, dude, that is so
crazy how it's going down. And I know that it

(27:51):
kind of starts simple, right, like you know, whenever I
first looked into the uh you know that kind of stuff,
and you're looking into like, oh, I want to see
how they're bending spoons because you think that like spoon
bending is exactly like the matrix would be like bending
it with your mind, and it kind of is that way.
The more I kind of wrap my mind around it,

(28:12):
because what they're doing is they're taking a spoon, and spoons,
you know, they're not impossible to bend, but to bend
them and twist them in the way that they're doing.
Once their mind wraps around that this reality is not
so set in stone, it seems a bit impossible. I mean,
they're able to twist this thing around like a corkscrew like,
and that's only after getting into a meditative state and

(28:36):
understanding with their mind that this is all just basically,
for a lack of a better word, just a dream,
just a matrix, just the simulation or whatever, and you're
becoming awake in it to where now the spoon it
doesn't matter the amount of force that you have to
apply to it, because you understand that the force that
you're applying to it is still only the physical force

(28:59):
that you're alluding from this physical world in the first place.
It's all it's basically all about just getting your mind
out of the way, and once you can get your
mind out of the way, the obstacles become a little
bit easier. And I would say that probably applies to
just about dan near everything right.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Well, it's just the same thing with those Buddhist monks.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
There was the case where they were able to take
like a really heavy statue, and there was that reporter
that stayed at that monastery and witnessed them like basically
making it light as a feather and they could make
it float, which is obviously how like the pyramids were built.
They understood how frequency affects matter and nothing's really completely

(29:40):
dense or you know, so they would just change it.
And that seems like that's what they're doing with the spoon.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, it definitely does so, all right, so you're trying
to say that the gene keys will point us in
the direction of what cities are more easily accessible to
the individual.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Yeah, so, like you have a a hologenetic hologenetic profile,
like I said, based on your birth info, and it
can guide you through life's work, evolution, radiance, and purpose.
So there's like sections that it's chunked into.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Like all of the charts.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
So this is just where I like wrote bullet points
for people. But if they look at like Johnathan, I
think I have your yours first, right, so people can
see so all of those are like your little gene
keys and when they like pull out different patterns from

(30:42):
within it. Those are the ones like you'll that you'll
call out for this one's life's work, this one's evolution
and seeing kind of how you transform through your life.
So you can use it as a tool to just
you know, and that's what everything is, right, just understanding
ourselves more deeply, and the more we do, the more
we uncover our gifts and the more we can kind

(31:02):
of get fully in alignment with our highest self, with
our purpose.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
So are the numbers like a rating system? What is
the difference between the numbers?

Speaker 5 (31:12):
No, it's like so using like your your astrological chart,
so same thing with human design, Like when along the
side of your human design chart, those things are just
built in when you're born. So there are like points,
you know, astrologically speaking, that this dude put gene keys to.

(31:33):
So you know, it's like just someone had a thought
about this and just like anything else, created this system
that to like explain how he saw our energy work.
If that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Okay, all right, yeah, because I was looking at it
and I was like I I maybe twenty percent understand
what's going on here.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
But it's not a rating system, So it's more thinking
of like when we went over human design and like,
you know that you have those gene keys in that.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Particularly, like you could have a list of all.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
The gene keys, you know, and like what they are,
and then they're plugged into your life, like plugged.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Into your chart.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
Yeah, So, like he said, it was like about the
geometry of our own DNA, and this is like every
time you start to do this, it just always blows
my mind because there's just so much overlap. And I
think that's what it's like, everyone's trying to explain kind
of the same thing to help different the way all
of our minds work differently, to help your light bulb

(32:38):
moment go off.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yes, that's why there's you know, forty thousand religions or whatever,
all basically trying to explain the same thing, you know, roundabout.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
Yeah, so it like, you know, obviously I like human
design more talk about human design, but because that's like
it incorporates so much stuff in the way energy moves
through your body, so it's like your I guess you
could kind of That's funny because today I sat with
my son and we did homework and he's learning about

(33:08):
the body. So he had to like write about like
the circulatory system and the muscular system. So I just
like thought, whoh, these could all be like that, Like
the human design could be like your your circuitry, and
like the codex could be your you know, like your
nervous system, like.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
All of them.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, okay.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
So because it is like like a map of your
soul and helping you to see it, you know.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
So it just like.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
Human design uses like a chakra system, this one's more
life path, which human design does incorporate to.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
But this is like isolating that, you know.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
So when looking at this, you want to look at
the different like sections.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
So right, so here.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
Now, and it's gonna be also like one of those
It's it's not like I'm and I'm not an expert, okay,
but I it's very involved. So don't get like overwhelmed
by it or be like, oh I don't want to
you know. It's like you plug in your stuff and
it'll tell you your results, you know, and it'll just
like pull out what resonates and ignore what doesn't, you know,

(34:31):
because it's like little pieces of a puzzle to understand
ourselves better essentially, So like people don't get overwhelmed. But
like when we look at the main full profile, that
just you know, don't even worry about that.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
But that's like everything that's your main profile.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
But if you look at which I did put so
I tried to kind of put this so activation sequence
here is it's written out. But then I also like
stuck the screenshot, so that is like what they pulled
out for your activation sequence. Your activation sequence is like,

(35:11):
you know, your life's work, how you are going to
evolve through, so activation like thinking of it as these
moments through life and what is going to resonate to
make you light up?

Speaker 4 (35:26):
You know, Like that's the way I.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
Explain it kind of because not like just what we
were saying, like not everything is going to wake up
everyone the same way or resonate the same way. You know,
so you're built a specific way. Which side note three
out of four of our main things are exactly the same, Jonathan,

(35:51):
But that makes sense because we're very close our birthdays.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Okay, But as I was going through there, so this
life's work, now, help me just understand the flow. Here
is it saying that all right, these are the possible
things that this is the line of things that the
line of possible outcomes that could happen to where if
I'm if I'm not in alignment, then you have the dislocation.

(36:17):
If you're more in alignment than you have finding clarity
in alignment and flow for self or others. Is that
how it works?

Speaker 6 (36:23):
Well?

Speaker 5 (36:23):
So remember how every single gene key has that shadow
and has the you know, the the light part of
you that you discover when you acknowledge the shadow, and
then the enlightenment. So it's it's like these three parts
in every single gene key. So when we look at

(36:44):
your activation sequence, your life's work is basically your shadow
part of you is dislocation. So I guess maybe you
could put that a lot of different ways. So maybe
feel at a place right like in your life once
you kind of were able to realize you felt out

(37:06):
of place, then orientation, finding your your place in light,
find finding an alignment and finding.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Like your flow with other people.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
And then the big aha moment of you the guru
sitting on top of the mountain, is that you've kind
of mastered that part of your life and now it's unity.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
So you've dealt with.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
The shadow, You've discovered your your gift and your place
and then you know you're in this place of unity.
So it's like these trails of and that's why they
say it's like our map of our purpose.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Oh okay, all right, yeah, I see. So it's kind
of like it, uh, maybe it starts this way and
through experiencing dislocation or entropy or reaction or intolerance, these
are the things that could be birth from them.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
Well, they are inherent, so it's like in your in
your genes, and that doesn't necessarily like so intolerance, that
doesn't mean that you are intolerant. That could mean that
intolerance in some way shapes who you are. So maybe
you are a person who when you see intolerance, it

(38:15):
makes you like feel a lot of things and you
want to first off, like maybe get involved in that,
and so you want to understand. So it makes you
want to kind of like get to the bottom of
human behavior, you know. So you could look at this
part of your purpose as you looking at the world

(38:39):
through a lens of identifying areas of intolerance, you having
understanding for both sides of it, and that your big
gift is that you don't even judge. You have this
beautiful way of forgiveness about you, but that as your
purpose is meant to be.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
We have to think of it like an energy.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
So when you go around spreading forgiveness and having this
way of understanding and reaching people, that spreads, so it's
going to create harmony.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Right. And then when we look at how your life's.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
Work, so your purpose is like forgiveness, your life's work unity, those.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
Go beautifully together.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
But shadows are you know, everything's yin and yang, so
you're always going to have those those shadow parts of us.
You know, it's more of a when we do spiritual work,
we can finally shine a light on them, right.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I mean, hey, everything's on a pole, and you know,
if there's light, then there has to be a shadow.
And it's not to say that the light is always
going to distinguish shadows necessarily. I mean, it's good to
shine a light on those shadows, but I feel like
inevitably more shadows are just going to get created at
that point.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
Right.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
Well, I think that the entire purpose of like being
here is to completely understand ourselves, and I think part
of it is finding a level of acceptance of all
of those shadow parts that everything isn't black and white.

(40:24):
And really it's coming to like this total area gray area.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
And again just to.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
Use my Buddhist monk, you know scenario. A Buddhist monk
isn't going to get super excited about something, isn't going
to get super mad about something. It's this contentment, you know,
that you find. So it's like finding that gray area.
So we have to understand shadows to understand light and
find that gray.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Area, which is perfect for the reaction as far as
the radiance goes, because you know, you always have a
choice to react, and a lot of people kind to
get that confused. It's like, well, yeah, I'm reacting this way.
Who wouldn't react this way? Meanwhile, that reaction is only
creating basically an emotional instability withinside of you, and it's creating,

(41:13):
if if nothing else, a temporary hell, you know. And
so it's it's you listen to.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
How you just explain that. You just explain that exactly
how I said you were born? Like you just said,
how could someone not look at it? You're looking at
things through a collective lens. Most people don't naturally do that,
and to you, it's like, how can you not see
it this way? Also, that's part of your projector but

(41:39):
you you just like basically exactly said what I like.
That's your purpose. That's why you see things differently from
other people, and you have a way of bridging that
where other people find.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
You know, uh, separation, you bridge it.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
You know, And that that's something that I'm learning more
as the days go on. I am so grateful that
I was not indoctrinated into a religion because I'm able
to see it for what it is. And I'm not
gonna lie. I did go through a little period of
judgment of others, but only because it seems so obvious,

(42:22):
you know, it seems so obvious that these are myths.
It doesn't have to have Yeah, I'm not even gonna
touch on that, but it's like, you know, but and
I got into a place to where I was becoming
judgmental of others believing in something, and then that resonated,
you know, that almost negative energy resonated deeply within me,
and I was like, man, I don't want to be
this person. I don't want to tell anybody that, you know,

(42:44):
what they believe is false or wrong, or they're stupid,
or I'm judging them, or you know, if they want
to sit there and judge me. That's fine. I can
handle the judgment. That's I have no issue with that.
But I really don't like being the person that sits
back and judges in points of finger and laugh and
the way that that was manifesting it within me, I
just I didn't like it so so. But that being said,

(43:08):
being able to not be indoctrinated into a specific belief
or a certain philosophy, even I'm able to kind of
just me personally. I'm able to kind of get like
a bird's eye view and not necessarily have any sort
of cultural or traditional or emotional attachments to any one ideology. Really,

(43:31):
and I don't know, I think that that is more
of a blessing than occurs.

Speaker 6 (43:36):
Yeah, and think about this, the more you know about yourself,
like maybe through the human design or through the gene keys,
you know, you start to figure out more about yourself.
And you know, when someone you know attacks your belief
or comes at you for not believing what they believe,
then it doesn't even phase you because you know who
you are. You don't have to defend anything for nobody. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
I heard somebody explaining it, and somebody was like, look
if everybody is God. How are you going to tell
God that they're wrong? You know what I mean? And
it's like, it's pretty interesting whenever you look at it
like that, because if you know, if we are all
one thing, which that is kind that's definitely my belief.
I believe that all of this is just you know,

(44:18):
it's it's an illusion. It's the great Maya right that
people have talked about for since the beginning, Really that
everything around us is just a projection of whatever is
going on within us in some form or fashion, and
that we're all really one. The idea of illusion and
separation is completely defunct at that point, right, And so

(44:40):
I got a little you know, upset thinking about that
for a second, and I was like, man, if there's
only one thing that then you would have to imagine
that the world would be kind of lonely. But within
pantheism and panpsychism, it's not necessarily like that. What I
did find is that there's another term which is kind
of like the dark side of pan psychism and pantheism,
which is something it's called solybsism. Do okay, if you

(45:03):
ever look into that, like it'll give you nightmares, Like
it is it's not fun, Like you will look at
the world in such a dark and gloomy place all
the time because now it yes, everything is one and
everything's a projection of you and you're the only one
that exists. Auta da da da. But it's like it

(45:26):
makes you feel even lonelier. I don't know, it's just
a weird mindset that I'm like, fuck solepsism, I don't
because now everything's about me, and I don't want to
be like that. Solebpsism is everything is, you know, essentially
projecting from me. Everything is emanated from me, and this
place wouldn't exist, It wouldn't exist if I didn't exist.

(45:47):
So I'm gonna make it all about me, and I'm
not for that ideology personally.

Speaker 6 (45:53):
Well, I think what it and I could be wrong,
you know, haven't looked into it, but I feel like this,
this reality kind of is from you, you know, because
if you had a totally different mindset, you know, let's
say you were a Muslim, your your world would be
so much different than it is now. And so how
is it that just your mindset and your beliefs and

(46:13):
whatever you embody and then you look out into the
world and that's what you see, you know, and so
I can understand it in that regard, you know, but
not totally like things wouldn't be existing or happening if
it wasn't for you, you know, but just the way
that you observe it and what you've noticed. I had
this weird thought today, you know, because you know, just

(46:34):
going into and what you know has been illuminated recently.
It's like, you know, if every you said earlier, there's
forty thousand religions at least, you know, and maybe that's
just maybe there's a bunch of branches within the same
religion within that category, but nonetheless they all can't be right,
you know what I'm saying, Like, and so if only

(46:56):
one of them is right, let's say, then everything else
is just made up and people just you know what
I mean, And so like all of this does kind
of just feel made up at that point.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
But at that point, it's like, you know, what if
everybody's right? You know what if they're And this is
something that I've kind of been battling with a little bit,
like what if there is no absolute truth? And that
that kind of bothers me that way of thinking, because
I like to think that, you know, the further we
dig down into the rabbit hole, that eventually we're gonna
get closer and closer and closer until one day something happens.

(47:30):
And I don't know what that thing is, but I
would like to think that we're gonna at least get
close to it throughout the years that we're going to
be doing this show. Right, But I can't help but
think just that one thing in the back of my
mind that says, it's like it's all true and you've
kind of just been chasing your tail the entire time,
you know what I mean, Like that's kind of a
worry in the back of my mind.

Speaker 6 (47:51):
I well, I mean, I don't think it should be
a worry in the back of your mind. I think
when you're thinking of the fact that everything is true,
you know, through the eyes of a Christian, that philosophy
or that religion is true through your eyes you know,
the things that you're thinking is true and the experiences
you've had or true. I think it's more along those lines,
not necessarily that everything is true all at the same time,

(48:12):
but for the individual you know, and the way that
it is experienced that way, for all we know, it's
all chaos and all mind and we are all just
living through our own illusions. And you know, and maybe
that's true too, you know, who knows.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
It's probably the dark side of it.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
Maybe yeah, maybe that's you know who knows. But I mean,
on the physical level, surely there has to be some
sort of objective reality, but we'll never know what that
is because all we have is subjective observation.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Well, and that's the thing, you know, with the double
slit experiment, Shit is going to act different when you
observe it, so it can only be one thing to you.
You know what I'm saying, Like through your observation, you'll
never be able to monitor it without observing it. And
that is like, and I don't know, maybe I'm just
like digging a hole here, but it's like, if I'll

(49:03):
never be able to know what it's, what it looks like,
and what it acts like, and all these different properties
of whatever the truth may be without observing it, then
I'm never going to understand it that it's true a state.
But I don't know, you know what, I'm choosing not
to look at it that way. I'm choosing to look
at it in a more positive light, because I do
feel like we through every episode, you know, with throughout

(49:25):
all the multiple guests that we've had on Tiffany several times,
or Byron several times, Optimistic Banks several times, everybody has
been able to bring something new to the table that
broadens our understanding. And it's a beautiful thing because it is,
you know, just like within it's like the lotus flower
opening up or you know, something is expanding. And I

(49:48):
feel that way for sure.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
Yeah, I just I just feel like, you know, whatever
it is that you are putting your observation on is
what you're going to experience, whether it's positive or negative,
you know, And so I don't know, if something doesn't
resonate with you, or a belief system doesn't vibe with you,
then just you know, you don't have to observe it,
let it be, let it do its thing, and you know,

(50:11):
you just do your thing.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
What's interesting, though, Tiffany, is that you mentioned that I,
you know, at least through this that I have the
city or the ability or whatever to be able to
kind of see things maybe for what they are and
be able to explain them in another way. So to say, right, dude,
that's actually like, this is not the first time that

(50:35):
something has been presented to me that has kind of
explained that about myself, you know, through astrology readings and
psychic readings. It's almost like the same message every single time.
And it's weird how it all lines up like that.
So if it's all bullshit, how is it all connecting?

Speaker 5 (50:48):
You know, to take pieces of everything. Life's a puzzle,
and I think we're supposed to pull. And I also apologize,
but there's going to be purring for the rest of
the time. That's all right, because my cat is he
demands to be here and it's eleven o'clock at night,
so he's it's cut all time. So sorry. But yeah,

(51:12):
so I and I could go down a whole other thing,
but it'll it'll probably be a thirty minute tangent if
I talk about my theories on that with because I
do think there's some truth too, that this is our
world and that we're all the star of our own show.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
And what's beautiful about it is it's like, you know,
the glass that shattered all reflects the same thing. It's like,
you know, there is a truth about reality through each dichotomy,
through each form of spirituality through each lens that you
choose to look at. It's not like, well, I'm choosing
to take up this religious path or this spiritual path.

(51:49):
It's not like it's going to be blocked from you.
I don't think. I think that the deeper you dive
into whatever your you know, whatever your wherever your lens
is set, it's like you're still going to be fine.
You're going to be able to find different levels of truth,
which I feel like, you know, not a lot of
people are really chasing that, chasing after that. Some people

(52:10):
are kind of skating past the idea that one day
will will cease to exist as this human body and
not really pulling that into focus, which I'm like, I
don't know. Maybe it's just because I was able to,
you know, witness the fucking void where nothing exists, to
where it's the only thing that I think about. But
you know what I mean, it's like I'm being swallowed

(52:30):
in it, and I'm like, why, how are you just
complaining about the weather. You know what I'm saying, There's
more to this reality than that.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
Try to void on for size and come back and
talk to me.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Yeah, try breathing no air and also being able to breathe.
It's weird, but anyway, sorry, Tiffany just wanted to interject that.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
You're fine so with this.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
I also like, if you scroll down, I kind of
have like a synopsis of I don't know what these
aren't like page Oh they are a page Okay, this
is page five?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Oh is it right here? The uh no?

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Go up?

Speaker 5 (53:11):
Okay, Yeah, So like what you're talking about, so this
is like your life's work, your evolution, your.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
Radiance, your purpose.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
So and that just kind of like breaks down what
we kind of already said. But you know that you
do play an important role in like the collective. I
mean everyone does, but like you in shaping it. So
so you are a person who.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Speaks like right to the.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
Heart of humanity and you can like shift people's thinking
and like open their perspectives. So that's why like podcasting
is such a great platform for you.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
You know, I'm a peacock. You gotta let me fly?
Actually are you? Would you be? Okay if I just
hurry up and read this real quick and then I
will read Shawn's as well, But just to try and
give an example of what the gene keys could describe
about each individual out there. I mean, I know it's
about me, and then it's gonna be about Shawn and

(54:11):
doesn't necessarily pertain to everybody, but just the idea of
all right, you know, whenever you plug in these details,
what is it going to spit out? Very very similar
to astrology in that sense, which I find fascinating, But
so it says my life's work, what I'm here to do.
You may not be aware of what an important role
you play within the collective body of humanity. You are

(54:33):
one of those whose life directly exerts a magnetic force
right into the heart of humanity. It's as though you
have access to the steering will when most do not.
Everything you say and do affects the direction taken by humanity.
The clearer and more selfless your activity is, the more
you affect the world around you. Your life's work always
has a mystical dimension to it, no matter how mundane

(54:55):
it may seem. In every sphere of life, you have
the power to create a subtle glow mobal influence that
is out of proportion to the actual activity itself. Depending
on your frequency, you are either blessed or cursed in
this respect. This is a great responsibility, but there are
also millions of other people who share your same archetype.
No pressure, you know. Yeah, even true, my evolution. What

(55:18):
I'm here to learn. It says, the greatest test and
the greatest gift in your life is the creative process itself.
The fact that the fact is that you are never
going to be able to control it. There will be
dark times for you. Sometimes they may be fleeting, and
sometimes they may last a long time. At such times,
your gift of knowing where everything is going will will
be greatly diminished. Because of this, you must learn to

(55:40):
cope with the feelings and fears that this brings up
in you. If you can maintain your perspective, you can
actually thrive during such times. But you have to let
go and trust the process will bring you through. You
are changing, and as long as you channel your energy
in a healthy way and don't let anyone try to
fix you, you will always reinvent yourself in a whole new light.

Speaker 6 (55:59):
That is all. I wouldn't dream of fixing you, baby girl.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Nah my radiance, what keeps me healthy? These are interesting?
So it says you are a highly tactile person. At
the deepest level, your sense of touch extends into more
subtle reality as well. What other people cannot sense is
to you as real as touch. This means that your
environment is incredibly important to you. It needs to feed

(56:23):
your spirit rather than drain you. On the other hand,
you need to be careful not to become hyper sensitive
to people in places, because this makes you a victim
of them. Good point there. If you catch the right
balance between being mentally clear and emotionally sensitive, you will
be able to handle any environment or person without feeling
energetically swamped. When you are really clear emotionally, you radiate

(56:45):
an acute sense of purpose or mission, and many things
become very clear to you, especially the various hidden agendas
of those around you. This gift thus allows you to
build a melu peopled a malu peopled people only that
doesn't make any sense by those you absolutely trust. Okay,

(57:06):
So anyone whose principles are not as high as yours
simply cannot fit in your life. You know, And there's
there's I feel like everybody kind of goes to a process.
Whenever you feel like you're starting to awakening to the
system or you're trying to raise your vibration in some
form of some form or fashion that almost like those
people start to just fall off. Anyway, The people that

(57:29):
are constantly dragging you down, or the debbie downers, are
the ones that are you know, they they they live
to poke and prod and to break you down. Like
eventually their effect stops working because you know, it's just
the the magnet is not necessarily pulling them in anymore.
So I think that's pretty important.

Speaker 6 (57:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
I think the important thing though, is that depending on
how you are built energetically, some of us are more
susceptible than others. So you have to really like when
you learn those those things about yourself, you need to
pray or ties those areas of your life. You know,
all of this stuff's important and applies to everyone, but
we have certain like areas that we have to really

(58:09):
hone in.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
On, right. I mean, we can read this kind of
information all day, but until you apply it, it's just
words on a screen, you know. So uh, I mean yeah,
it's it's always so interesting to learn, you know, these
different facets about like you know, what's my purpose and
what's my you know, uh, what's my evolution and stuff
like that. Like it's it's very very awesome to learn.

(58:31):
It's almost like somebody giving you the answers to the test.
But the thing about giving it being given the answers
to the test, like it's almost like, here's the answer.
I'm gonna give you a cheat sheet of how to
I don't know, lose one hundred pounds for example, Sean
lost a shitload of weight back in the day, right,
and you already have the cheat sheet. But just because

(58:54):
you have the cheat sheet doesn't mean that like, oh
I want you know, I pass no, because it's like
an every day something that you have to keep on
applying in this sense. So yeah, I mean, they can
give you the keys all day, but it's like it's
up to you to apply it in that sense. But
I do like how it's a drawn out here. The
last one says my purpose, So your life will very

(59:17):
likely lead you into some interesting relationship patterns that challenge
your ability to forgive. Forgiveness is the truest purpose of
your life. It is the lesson that you must learn
again and again until you can inspire others to do
the same. Nothing whatsoever is gained, is gained through blame. Blame.
Blame is simply an externalized projection, externalized projection of your victimhood.

(59:40):
Oh damn, what a sentence. So as you go through
life's experiences, you are being given a beautiful opportunity to
understand human beings and their suffering, and in understanding where
their suffering comes from, to forgive them and let them be.
This is a truly incredible power that you hold. And
no matter what you do in life, the only thing
that really meet the only thing that really matters, is

(01:00:01):
that you live free from resentment and regret, loving and
trusting in the greater flow and tempo behind it all.

Speaker 6 (01:00:08):
Damns some powerful stuff, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Yeah, we both have the same purpose.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
So that is me too, and essentially like as it
as tauruses were like really stubborn anyways.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
So I do think when I when.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
I first learned that, I was like, well, I'm fucked
because I don't want to forgive anybody, Like, once you
wrong me, you're fucking dead to me. And I want like,
but that's just the way I've always been, Like, I'm
like dead to me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
And you feel like you're doing the right thing when
you when you build that barrier.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
Yeah, So I have been like thinking about that a
lot lately about if that's like the whole purpose of
all of my relationships and interactions. It's like, I don't
know in the back of my head. And how do
you live with forgiveness when it's one of the hardest

(01:01:07):
things for you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah, well I think you know. And this is just
from my own personal experience. But every time you hold
on to regret or you know, hate or resentment or
any of these kind of things, all they are essentially
is kind of like shackles within your mind if you
really think about it, Like like whenever you hate somebody,
they don't feel your hate every time you walk around them,

(01:01:32):
especially like if you hate somebody, you're probably not going
to be around them, So now you're almost like bringing
that energy bringing them into your presence on a daily
basis without them even having to be there. So it's
like you know what I mean, which you're only punishing
yourself at that point. And yes, it's way easier said
than done. I mean, trust me, some people are horrific,
and some people are very selfish and they only do

(01:01:53):
things on their own, on their own accord, and they
only look out for number one. And you want to
hate the fuck out of that person, you know what
I mean, Like you want to just say you know
what and just grind your teeth, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
It's like, I mean, I think a lot of it is,
you know, trauma response usually like and that's why it's
hard for me to let go of that, because that
was a protection method I learned early on. You know,
if somebody wrongs me, I'm going to just like compart,
like put them in a little box and you're You're
dead to me, and I don't care, and I'm going

(01:02:25):
to move on because that was the only way I
could survive. So that's kind of why I'm covered in
cat or No. That's kind of why it's important to
learn this stuff because I didn't realize that that was
some sort of core concept that I was supposed to

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learn in life, you know, like you kind of realize
when you're a healer when you see people differently than
other people see them in situations. But forgiveness I hadn't
thought of as one of my life purposes.

Speaker 6 (01:03:04):
And it actually makes a lot of sense if you
think about it, Like if your mind only has so
much capacity, you know, when it comes to memory, let's
just say, like a memory card, you know, and you're
not forgiving that person. You're kind of just holding on
to that experience. And every time you think about that
hatred or that unwillingness to forgive that person, you're literally

(01:03:25):
replaying that experience within your mind. And so it's taking
up some processing, it's taking up some memory within your
potential basically, And so I mean, I feel like it
would be the best thing to do to just maybe
try to and I know that this is probably hard,
especially when it comes to something like this, but try
to put yourself in that person's shoes. I mean, it

(01:03:47):
seems like something that I mean, who would do that
to somebody? Right? But then you put yourself in their
shoes because to you, of course, it seems like something
that you would never do. But that's through your experience
and your upbringing and all of your experience is leading
you to this one moment, you know, And so if
you try to put yourself in their shoes and say okay,
they definitely have it way worse off than I do,

(01:04:08):
and to them in that moment, it was their only option.
Let's just say, but if you just try to empathize
with that and say okay for this moment, I'm going
to pretend to forgive that person, and then eventually, slowly
you'll start to believe that. And now you got that
piece of memory back, and you released that experience that
you don't you no longer have to replay that to yourself, right,

(01:04:31):
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
So smart, because not only is it taking up space,
but when we hold that like even energetically, you don't
have room for the next thing. So you're just stopping
your life right there, you know, And so we have
to release that energy.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
That's right. Yeah. And there's one thing too that you know,
we've we've kind of learned just along the way when
it comes to manifesting and really using your attention and
intention if you are, let's say you're trying to manifest
something or you're trying to put your attention on something
positive for yourself. But then there's that one thing that's
still kind of echoing over here. It's going to pull
your attention from time to time. And I mean that's

(01:05:11):
really just going to hold you back. It's not doing
anything to the other person. You know, you forgiving them
may not even benefit them at all, but it's definitely
going to benefit you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Oh yeah, I mean think about how often you think
about someone after you've gone through the process of forgiving them,
you know what I mean, Like it's it's kind of
like you're thinking about them less now because you're not
necessarily holding onto.

Speaker 6 (01:05:34):
That and if you do, it's no longer so much
of a negative experience. It's like, Okay, that's what it is.
That's you know, that person, it's whatever you know. It's
a shadow moved beyond shadow.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Pop over before you pop over to Sean. So part
of what I said.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
Something that I'm like putting together is star seeds, and
I've been for a while trying to map relations between
like human design and certain specific star seed lineages and
the gene keys and then also the Codex all pointing
to like your harmonic frequency, your language. So one thing

(01:06:17):
that I pointed out on yours, Jonathan on the side,
I like made a little comment on the side of
your like the when you read everything, so your your
gene key forty nine, it should be like on the right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
Don't don't the comment show up for everyone?

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
No, I don't see it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Okay, Well I'll just tell you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
So the gene key forty nine, specifically for radiance, that
is a marker that is that had like several people have.
That seems to be a central theme for star seeds
who are sent here to help humanity shift and align
with higher frequencies. So that is kind of like when

(01:06:58):
I wanted to pull out for you, you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Is so funny and I don't know, it's weird to
kind of coagulate and put into place experience and apply
it to how does this apply to my life?

Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
So my and I've talked about this before, but my
second time, my last time that I ever got hypnotized
for a past life regression. I talked about how I
was basically like this god, not a god, but like
a watcher or an angel or something that was like
like a guardian, right that was monitoring a planet. And

(01:07:36):
I felt as if my influence was not necessarily needed
and the people almost forgot about me. They didn't they
didn't ask me for help or any kind of guidance.
It was almost like I was I was mythologized rather
than you know, people looking at me like I was real.
It was really strange, and so I got really I
felt really sad that people almost forgot about me, and
so I went over to the Manager in the sky,

(01:07:57):
which the Manager in the Sky just so happened to be. Oh,
and I didn't know that I'm not. I mean, at
this time, I really didn't know too much about spiritual things,
not to the depths of which I understand them now.
But it was interesting because I was able to see
Odin and he was sitting in his chair like get
his throne right, and I knew that it was Odin
because he had the eye patch, and he had the

(01:08:19):
long beard and the long hair and just the energy
of this character. It just screamed Odin to me. And
I was like, I was like, look, I feel like
I'm not able to make any kind of impact up here.
The people forgot about me. I want to be able
to get boots on the ground. I want to be
able to make a difference in people's lives. If that
means that I got to actually like incarnate as you know,

(01:08:41):
whatever they are, That's what I want to do. And
he goes, Dude, hold on, this is going to trip
you out, all right. So I had that experience, and
so he takes his staff and he goes. He goes
basically like your wish is my command or something along
those lines like you have been granted or something like that.

(01:09:05):
And so he takes his staff, he goes on my
right shoulder, and then he touches it with my left shoulder,
and then he touch touches my head and all of
a sudden instantly I'm coming out of a womb. I'm
now a baby being born into this into a reality, right,
and I and I was, you know, ever since then,
I always wondered, like, you know, how much weight do
I put into past life regressions? Like do I take

(01:09:27):
that literally? Am I supposed to take it symbolically? Did
it really happen? Or am I just kind of pulling
from from the rolodex of all the realities that the
one has ever experienced?

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
And they you know, you try and figure out how
you can group that. Well, just yesterday I just so
happened to go, like I said, I just moved Arizona,
and uh, I went to the swap meet for the
first time. It's like a flea market kind of situation, right,
so much fun. I loved it over there. But there
just so happened to be this one little metaphysical area
and this woman was selling, you know, a bunch of
crystals and sages and you know, the typical physical stuff.

(01:10:01):
But she had this little statue and I just could
not take my eyes off of it and basically check
him out. It's just like he's like little Odin right here, right,
and he's sitting in his throne, and the fucking guy
has the staff maybe of what was going on in
my mind whenever he kind of sent me here, and
so I'm like, I just realized that, and I was like,

(01:10:23):
I don't remember Odin having a staff or whatever that is,
and and all of a sudden this right, yeah. So
and I say all that to say, you know, could
that mean could that be like an example of you know,
what what the process of a star seed coming at

(01:10:43):
you know, maybe as a star seed and incarnating in
this reality? Could that be an example of that? Do
you think, Tiffany?

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Yeah, I mean I think that we don't know if
if these things that we remember are true, and the
fact that we're all connected, could we be remembering, you know,
other things that really aren't even this soul, it's pieces
of other souls. I don't know, but I don't think
it matters. I think that the point is that that

(01:11:11):
experience happened to you, and that you should look into
it and see what you were supposed to get from it.
You know. So if you really resonate with something, like
someone's just obsessed with Atlantis and they resonate with that,
there's probably something you're supposed to learn in that, and
something that's going to help you discover your purpose. So
it's not for people to like be like, oh I'm odin,

(01:11:32):
you know, and like think they're better than other people.
It's so that you know, you can look at that
and gather something from it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
So I would absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
Like if that was that vivid of a experience, there's
something in it for you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Yeah, you know what's interesting that in Sean help me
remember if it was I can't remember if it was
Gloria Canning or oh, Cassandra the psychic that said, look,
it doesn't matter if it happened in this reality or
if it happened in a dream, it's an experience. Was
that Cassandra it was? She goes you experience that one

(01:12:12):
way or the other, and that will always remain an
experience to you, whether you had a crazy dream or
a crazy you know, past life regression, or a psychedelic
experience or a real like physical life experience that it's
all an experience that your conscious is collecting. And so
it's like whenever you watch a movie, like your mind

(01:12:33):
doesn't know the difference between that happening in reality and
that in that not being real, especially whenever you're under
the influence of hypnosis at that point, because you can't
watch a TV for longer than sixty seconds without being
you know, kind of put into a slight trans state.

Speaker 6 (01:12:47):
And so it is actually really really interesting, you know.
It's like, if you think about it, You're never going
to have a dream like the dreams that I have,
you know, like those are like almost well not almost,
I would say death definitely specific to me, you know,
should I choose to look at that and see, okay,
what what's going on there? What what are the symbols

(01:13:07):
that I can look at? What are the shadow aspects
of that experience? And You're not going to have a
dream that I had, just like I would never have
one of your dreams. Like your dreams whenever you explain them,
or they're just weird to me, you know what I mean,
like a blob chasing you and like just like I've
never had a dream like that. Because that's your dream. Yeah,
you know that was specific to you and was your

(01:13:28):
experience and you were supposed to have that experience for
whatever reason.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
But then at the same time, how cool is it
though that collectively there are themes though throughout dreams that
we all experience, like your naked you know, when your
naked dream, like what that kind of means and different things,
So there is like this collective.

Speaker 6 (01:13:44):
Aspect that's true. Yeah, I think about the archetypes and
things of that nature.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Yeah, like the people that Dude, I and I've had
this dream so many times I can I've lost count
of the dreams of all my teeth falling out, like
I I probably have that dream at least once a year,
and it fucks with me every time, you know what
I mean, Like, it's just like, but there's some there
is some kind of meaning behind it. I think it
means that like somebody closes you is gonna die or

(01:14:10):
something like that, knock on wood.

Speaker 6 (01:14:12):
But it's something we keeping your teeth, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
It definitely inspires me to keep rushing.

Speaker 6 (01:14:17):
Yeah, for sure, don't forget the flaws, dude, right, Okay, I.

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
Don't want us to not be able to because there
was like really cool stuff too because I compared for
you guys as working relationship and like your your path
to success for metamistics.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
Right, which was really cool.

Speaker 6 (01:14:34):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
So but we'll like for Sean, we can look at
just the same things that we looked at for you,
I guess, so for oh and then I meant to
point out, we'll we'll do it with Sean's so obviously
your main your main gene keys here your life's work,

(01:14:55):
and I have the same thing towards the bottom of
you guys want to read like.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
For him too.

Speaker 5 (01:15:02):
Sure, but as you're scrolling scrolling through a lot of
people do think that the venus emotional sequence.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
Is your purpose.

Speaker 5 (01:15:12):
So that is like one taking from it that that's
your purpose here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Okay, right here, So into that precision, impeccability, analytical and
strategic insight for relationships and work.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
And you know, I think even like whenever we're talking
and you know, Jonathan and I can get a little
woo woo and like, but Sean, you have a really
good way of like, you know, you make it practical.

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
You know, you take.

Speaker 5 (01:15:40):
Something and you apply it, and I think that that's
like this, you know, you can explain things in a
very like strategic offering that you know, analytical side to
the insight, which is really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
That Yeah, that sounds about right for Sean, I think
so well, Yeah, do you want me to read this part.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
Now if you want to? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Sure, Moon, all right, Sean. Your life's work? What you're
here to do? You have a gene key thirty on
this one says you are a great taster of life.
Yours is no life of consistent routine and monotony, but
a great experiential feast in which the courses just keep coming.
You can probably only really put all of your life
experience to work when it has matured inside you and

(01:16:27):
started to turn into wisdom. This means that your real
work in the world may not begin in earnest until
later in life. You need not be concerned about this,
as your gift of lightness testifies. Life is not supposed
to weigh you down too much. Like all humans, you
will suffer losses and defeats, but you must learn to
turn all such things to your advantage. Every experience in

(01:16:50):
your life is an opportunity to loosen your attachment to
your expectations and to surrender more deeply to the cosmic flow. Surrender,
baby girl, like it. What you do with your life
must involve deep interaction with people. Since the essence of
your gift is to understand the feelings of others, you
have a particular gift of bringing sweetness to people who
are in need of remembering the beauty of life. If

(01:17:13):
that's not perfect for Sean.

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
I like that, yes, because you do bring like this light,
you know, to everything that you when you speak.

Speaker 6 (01:17:21):
Oh, thank you happy. I appreciate that. I try, you know,
sometimes Sean has it just natural, you know, literally.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Ever since I was a little kid, Sean has always
been my favorite person. Like as a little kid, I
couldn't because we lived in two different states. I grew
up in Pennsylvania, Sean grew up in Arizona. But every
every summer would we would get the opportunity to spend
two or three weeks together, and it was my favorite
time to if every time of the year to come
down here. And you know, it was cool to see

(01:17:50):
my grandparents, my great grandparents, and you know, my aunt
which is his mom, and you know very I love
all every like all of them, but to see Sean
was the highlight of my summer every single year, and
and it was just always so much fun because he
just makes me fucking laugh my ass off every time
I'm around him, and just so lighthearted and goofy and funny,
and you know, there can never be too many Seans

(01:18:13):
around the world.

Speaker 6 (01:18:14):
Ah, dude, I appreciate that. Man. We do have some
good laughs though, you know. Yeah, yeah, and it just builds,
you know what I mean, And it gets contagious.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Even something silly like looking at a picture of fucking
Betty White.

Speaker 6 (01:18:26):
Oh that still gets me, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
That was That's a whole another story. We were tripping
one night and we saw this like old school picture
of Betty White back when she was a fox, like
back in the thirties or something like that, and but
it was like really spooky. It was like one of
those pictures like if you ever see like a like
a scary movie, like one of those pictures where the
faces just moves as you move. But it was so
strange because it was a still it was a still

(01:18:51):
framed picture, and it was just making us laugh so
hard the whole time we were looking at it because
we thought the same thing.

Speaker 6 (01:18:56):
Yeah, exactly the same thing, Like it was a still photo,
but we both had the thought of like she was
sitting there waiting for us to like interact with her,
or she was waiting to almost say something, or like
I was like, what is this dude?

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
It was crazy? So yeah, anyway, I just want to say, yeah, Sean, yeah,
you you definitely know how to bring the beauty to life.
So this is spawn on the now, your evolution. What
you're here to learn, sir. It says the biggest issue
in your life is commitment. Interesting, I'm considering you've been
married since a young.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Age, but that's all I do.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
But maybe it applies to other places, So let's see.
It says either you bite off more than you can chew,
or you pull out of your commitments and inevitably create disappointment.
None of these situations need to be your concerns, so
long as you find a way to be certain of
your commitments before you make them. The challenge for you
is not to confuse commitment with desire. You are safer

(01:19:51):
if you did not, or you are safer if you
do not make decisions in the heat of the moment
or in the heat of the passion. As a passionate being,
you need time to determine which desires can be acted
upon and which can be transformed internally. This never takes
long for you, especially when you are When you are younger,
desire can still contain commitment even if it lasts but
a day. This is not about being socially correct. It

(01:20:14):
is about being energetically correct. You need to learn to
think in terms of experience and not in terms of
success and failure. If man, that's a deep one. If
something lasts a short time, you can still learn a
great deal from it. The key for you is not
to be fooled by others into feeling ashamed or guilty
about your actions in life.

Speaker 6 (01:20:35):
Oh dude, that's very resonant, you know, just as of late,
you know, just goal.

Speaker 5 (01:20:41):
To like back to explain that a little bit better,
like your evolution. So it's half heartedness, commitment, devotion, and
then growth through wholehearted engagement. So I think that it
connects back to that light lightness about you, you know,
to go into things like half heartedly and just like flippantly.

(01:21:01):
That's what I think it more kind of reads as
and then once you acknowledge that about yourself, and then
you have total devotion, you know, and then that's how
you grow beautifully like through this wholehearted engagement.

Speaker 6 (01:21:15):
No, yeah, that makes sense. One thing that I have noticed,
you know, about myself, just just growing up in just
the life that I've had and being an EmPATH and
I'm a people pleaser, you know what I mean, And
so I think that of course I just want to
say yes just to make the other person happy, even
if I'm not, like, I don't know, maybe I'm not
going to be good at that, or maybe i'm gonna

(01:21:35):
I'm gonna really suck at that, or you know, a
specific job, like maybe I can do that, and I'll
just say yes because I think the person wants me to,
you know what I mean. And I think that I've
definitely been phasing out of for sure, you know, and
really trying to be a little more analytical and really
looking into seeing if this is something that I would
even be interested in long term, you know. But yeah,

(01:21:58):
that's that's really fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
It's pretty pretty interesting how like, you know, just spot
on some of these things can be.

Speaker 6 (01:22:05):
Well, it's funny because yeah, going into this episode, you know,
just like the human design, just like astrology, just like
some of those things where I'm like, how does that work?
You know, like, how is it that it even makes
you know, sense or really resonates. And I just had
that feeling it was going to be something like this
where I'm like, I don't know how this is gonna work.
I don't even really know what it is. And then
here we are, you know, I'm like, holy shit, yeah,

(01:22:26):
pretty spot.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
On, Like how the hell does a system know you
better than even some of the closest people to you.

Speaker 6 (01:22:34):
Right, you know, right? And then you take some of
this information and just kind of contemplate on it, and
I feel like, this shit will really work if you
really really focus on it and try to figure out
what it is, why it is you do the things
you do. Yeah, you know, in the way.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
That you do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
So now your radiance, Sean, what keeps me healthy? This
is a gene. Ky fourteen says health and happiness for
you are about working. You have a body that needs
to be in creative projects. The worst thing for you
to is to allow yourself to sync into sluggishness or
be trudging away at something that gives you little or
no inspiration. If you do not have a sense of

(01:23:11):
knowing where your life is going, your body will never
really feel settled. Radiance for you is about being active
and a part of some endeavor that excites you. You
don't have to enjoy every step.

Speaker 6 (01:23:22):
Of the way.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
That is not well, that is nigh impossible, but you
do need to feel that you are constantly expanding your
gifts and learning new things. Your health is dependent upon
your using up all your daily store of energy in
a positive way. If you feel exhausted at the end
of the day, then that may be a good thing
for you. If your body springs out of the bed

(01:23:45):
the next morning fully refueled, then you know that you
are on the right track. If, however, your energy is
becoming steadily depleted, you are channeling your energy in the
wrong direction.

Speaker 6 (01:23:56):
Interesting. Remember I was just telling you too, Like this
job that I sorry real quick, This this job that
I have is like very physically demanding, and I feel like,
even though yeah, sure, it's it's work, you know what
I'm saying. It's not like my dream job or anything
like that, but just the physical aspect of it, Like
my mental health has gotten so much better just because
I know that I'm exercising and I'm using my muscles,

(01:24:18):
and I'm really like, yeah, that's super fascinating. I was
just telling Jonathan this like just a few days ago, Like,
no bullshit. Anyways, what were you going to say, Tiffany?

Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
So, like your your path with with this gene key
is like your shadow side is compromise. So I think
a big part of it is is what you said
about people pleasing. So if you compromise and just do
things to make someone else happy, you're not going to
feel like you're using your talents efficiently. So when you acknowledge,

(01:24:52):
like when you are completely lit up and doing things
that you are passionate about, that feel that are aligned,
you come across extremely like competent, you know so, so
people know that they're in good hands, like you got this,
you know right, And that's what leads to vitality through

(01:25:13):
using your talents.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Official when I tell you what, I feel that way
every time I'm receiving a tattoo from you, Sean, Oh,
do I feel very confident that I'm in good.

Speaker 6 (01:25:23):
You have to make it happen, dude, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
So your purpose what deeply fulfills you. It says your
life purpose is to be you. That might sound trite,
but it is in fact the only true valuable insight
you will ever need to live a full and blissful life.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
You will be.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Tested repeatedly over the course of your life, and always
in the same area. You will be tempted by your
fears to give up different aspects of your uniqueness. You
must never give up your identity or your dreams, which
are one and the same. If you do, you will
begin to suffer deep inside your being.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
You are.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
You are your best ally or your worst enemy. If
you If you ever feel depressed, it is because you have,
because you have somewhere given a part of yourself away.
There are no guarantees that anyone else will believe in you,
so you must be the first one who does. The
people in your life will either love your unique your uniqueness,
or they will subtly want you to change or or

(01:26:22):
to temper your wildness. You will do well to heed
the words of throw in the way. In the wildness
lies the preservation of the world. This is your creed.

Speaker 6 (01:26:34):
Hmmm, Oh that's cool. I think everybody should be vibing
with that ship. You know, be yourself completely and authentically.
That's when you become neo dude, you know what I'm saying.
Then you don't even have to dodge bullets. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
That is facts.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
So that is mediocrity.

Speaker 5 (01:26:51):
So that like if you ever feel mediocre, that's like
not good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
It's stagnant.

Speaker 6 (01:26:57):
At that point, my own doing too light exquisiteness.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
So we want you to be exquisite.

Speaker 6 (01:27:03):
All right, I'll do my best, no pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
You know what's interesting up here? And I'm just like
looking at all these different kind of levels to it.
So is this to say that, can you explain these
these directional arrows? And then this little snowflake looking thing.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
At the top, Oh wait.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Right here, so it be the brand, this one. It
just says desire, lightness and then up yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
The shadow shadow, and then you know you're where you
find the light and then eventually you know.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
So they're just like little things, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
For aspects of the same polarity.

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
Like like milestone markers for that, for that mark for
that gene key.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Okay, okay, So Sean, once you overcome desire, you will
feel lightness, and the more you stain your lightness you
get a little rapture action.

Speaker 6 (01:27:57):
Baby. Oh all right, I'll take it, dude. I'll think
the rapture.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
We almost had one, almost came close.

Speaker 6 (01:28:05):
Ye, So so I.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
Compared you guys too, just because I thought it was
interesting to look at. That's what I like to do
with human design too, for like relationships and working relationships,
So that way you can kind of see like why
you work together well together. But like Jonathan's strengths are clarity, creativity,
and strategic insight, while Sean's is passion, wholehearted engagement and resilience.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
And I think that's like totally true about you guys
when you're working.

Speaker 6 (01:28:37):
Together really gin to each other's yang we do work.

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
And then like so because you have a very unique plant.
You know, it's not like you do a true crime
podcast or something. You know, you're you're actually trying to
mold and open minds. So with Jonathan's life, purpose, Guide, Awaken, Transform,
and then Sean's inspire, Innovate.

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
Excel, like that's just so beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
And then for your like relationship focus, Uh, Jonathan is
always which is true, like is so mindfulness, but then
inquiry You're always like bringing up questions, you know, and
expanding upon topics. And then Sean has this beautiful way
of like adapting it to to like bringing full circle,
you know, to why that makes sense, and then also

(01:29:30):
bringing like this compassionate, beautiful way of thinking about things too.
That sounds about right yeah yeah, so, and then intellectually
like where you guys focus Jonathan vision analysis and Sean's
strategic thinking and perseverance.

Speaker 6 (01:29:47):
Yeah hey interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:29:50):
But then you guys are making an impact on the collective.
Jonathan's is vitality, harmonizing and vitality and harmony and communities.
And then Sean like you see a collective wisdom and
you share and connect people through bold experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Hmm, that's pretty true, right yeah, I mean you're always
sharing your dreams and stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:30:13):
How I know, right, that's that's pretty cool. How how
how does that fucking work? I just can't understand it.
It's fine. I don't have to know why it works.
I just have to know that it does.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Yeah right, yeah, pretty cool. I love learning about this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
This is so cool.

Speaker 7 (01:30:29):
And it's just like anybody that's to like put this
up because there's a whole other like you know, for
people to see or like at another time or whatever,
because like I did it just for menimistics too, Like
you're why you guys work well together, so you should
like post it for people to read if they want
to see.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Oh you did put a little metamistics on there. Yeah,
let's read that real quick. Yeah that that can't go
on a time crunch, but time.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
What is time?

Speaker 6 (01:30:59):
I am?

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
But yeah, like this because I wanted to show you,
like the first part is kind of similar to what
we just kind of went over. But then strategies for
you guys to grow your podcast, and like Sean should
be exploring unconventional, cutting edge topics, challenging norms. And then

(01:31:22):
Jonathan's good at providing like the framework and the summaries
and the takeaways for the listeners. And then yeah, see
it even brings up Sean's interaction with people. But then Jonathan,
you add like credibility, like people believe you and they
get on board with what you're saying and you guide discussions.
Well yeah yeah, but it even like tells you, you know,

(01:31:46):
like social media and branding how to be the most effective.

Speaker 4 (01:31:52):
Also, yeah, I know, it's like I gave you guys
a whole time who.

Speaker 5 (01:32:00):
Monetization and financial growth, so like where you guys can
really excel in that. But like I wanted to show
you know, because also if people are struggling in those
areas they can look up their gene keys and then
you can I mean, yes, I had to like do
analysis on all of this, but you know people can
do that.

Speaker 6 (01:32:18):
Too, So fascinating. I love that you can look at
this and at the very least, you know, even if
you don't understand it right away as far as one
of these aspects being about you, you know, you can
still contemplate it and really really think about it and
really figure out where can this be applied and where
where does this point to for me specifically, And then

(01:32:38):
once you find it, then then you're halfway there. You know.
Now you just work on it, and that's great. I
love it.

Speaker 5 (01:32:45):
At the very bottom of your key takeaways or that
Sean drives attraction, excitement, and adventurous content, so you're like
helping to maximize the reach, and Jonathan provides structure, insight,
and trustworthiness so you maximize retention and deep engagement.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Oh hell yeah, right, Together they create a you I
think so yeah, like Peas and Carrots says. Together they
create a unique spiritual podcast that balances magic and mastery,
generating generating community growth, visibility, and monetization opportunities.

Speaker 6 (01:33:18):
Hell yeah, dude, I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
I like it. This is so like you just you
just put your your name and your birthday and where
you were born, just like you would with your you know,
your astrologal astrological chart, and it just spits out information
that just so happens to just you know, be perfect
for whatever you're looking for. And it's man, that is

(01:33:41):
so fascinating how that just works like that we live
in a simulation. I think that that is almost a
proof of it, wouldn't you say?

Speaker 6 (01:33:48):
I think so?

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
Yeah, Like this isn't just like absolute divine design, Like
we're not just.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
You know, tiny little amoebas that evolved into something that
consciousness is secondary to at all.

Speaker 6 (01:34:04):
Like well, I mean, we say, who's to say how
it all started? But when it comes to how we
interact with it, you know, I think that's where the
aspect of the simulation comes comes to play. You know
what I mean? If all this mind and everything we
do is determined by how we process things and even
just the little micro emotions that you have towards little
subtleties in your day, then all of a sudden you're

(01:34:26):
doing this instead of that because of it, and it's
just you know, what I mean, that's the simulation. Yeah,
it's weird because in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Well, and the thing is is that you can really
get stuck in the physicality of this reality, you know,
like you can really put all your eggs in that
basket and say, you know what, humans evolve from monkeys,
but before that, we evolve from fucking fish or lizards
or whatever. And it's like weird things of people connecting it,
and it's like, you know, what they're really finding out

(01:34:54):
is that consciousness precedes the physical form like that that
you can can actually experience. And this is something that
I was just watching a video on Aldus Huxley. Whenever
he wrote The Doors of Perception, he was saying throughout
his psychedelic experience that he was able to it. He
always thought that like consciousness was in the brain, like

(01:35:17):
consciousness was in the mind. But through that experience of
I think he was doing LSD or something, No, what
was it, ketamine, that's what he was doing. But you
know it teach their own everybody has their own flavor.
But he was doing that psychedelic psychedelically, and he got
to a point where he was like, wait a second, no,
consciousness is not only held within the brain and he

(01:35:39):
was able to experience himself outside of himself, which I
mean and if that's the case, then that would have
to prove that we go on once the body dies, right,
because we don't necessarily need the body. It's just almost
I don't even want to say that we're using it
almost parasitically. It's not like that. Maybe it is, but
I don't know. It's like, you know, this is just

(01:36:01):
something that this is a vehicle that we're riding in,
and there are many different ways to try and understand
why we why we're here, and what the purpose is
while we're here, and you know, the gene kis is
just another way to be able to look at it
from that angle. So if you hear the best.

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
To come back on and we'll talk about star seeds
and the codex because I think like what you're describing
in my opinion anyways, like I think we have like
a soul fingerprint. So it's like your harmonic frequency is
your soul DNA and it's all.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
Like connected to this.

Speaker 5 (01:36:40):
So I think that that explains a lot as well,
and and for people to explore.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
That, we can talk about that, but.

Speaker 6 (01:36:47):
It'd be great. I think sounds fun.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
Yes, Sean, what is that tarot card?

Speaker 6 (01:36:52):
My good sir, we got the and I'm not even surprised,
but we got the ten of Pinnacles. So you know,
hanting me, it's a full moon, you know what I mean.
It's the end of the cycle, if you will. Of
ten of Pinnacles, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Oh yeah, it's the end and the beginning, all encompassed
into one number. Uh, the ten of Pentacles. The combination
of prosperity has arrived. This enables you to create from
a new place of abundance along alongside those you love.
A card of shared wealth and bounty and bounty. The
Ten of Pinnacles shows three generations of a family enjoying

(01:37:30):
themselves in a luscious garden on their property. The family
is surrounded by ten pentacles, showing that they do not
have to worry about matters of finance. The two dogs
are symbolic of loyalty, while the depiction of children, adults,
and an old man illustrates the process of maturing that
unfolds throughout your life. Yeah, we get that. We get
that card quite a bit. I do love that one.

Speaker 6 (01:37:50):
It trips me out every time too, because I got
two dogs and kids, and like, I don't know, it
just really resonates when I see this one.

Speaker 5 (01:37:57):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
The spiritual reading behind and it says buying a home
or inheriting property or money are all current possibilities. You're
also seeing overt generosity from your family or important members
of your social circle. You have plenty of love and
support to further your dreams, especially when you seek advice
from people you respect who are older and wiser. The

(01:38:19):
key meaning of the card is wealth, family, and inheritance,
and then of course it meaning the number ten meaning
a complete cycle. Perfect, beautiful, perfect. It's a great card, Tiffany.
Let all of the one out there know where they
can find you and all your great work.

Speaker 5 (01:38:37):
Come over to YouTube and find me at rooted frequency.
I also have meditations on there too, and yeah, that's
pretty much the main way to find me. I don't
know what's happening with my crystals yet right now, And
you can always reach out for a reading if you want.

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
Right now, everything's just very laid back. Just be my
friend and message me and I will give you a reading.

Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
Oh oh you know what I did now, I just
decided so this Tuesday tomorrow is the first one. Every Tuesday,
I'm gonna be going live on YouTube at noon Eastern
Standard time and giving free readings for an hour.

Speaker 6 (01:39:21):
Oh that's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
Yeah, because of a call to do readings for the collective.

Speaker 6 (01:39:26):
So how do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
How do you go about doing that? Are you pulling
a tarot card or is it more of just a connection.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
I'm going to do my my oracle deck that I designed.

Speaker 6 (01:39:35):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
Your own oracle deck eventually, dude, that is that is
a goal of ours, is to have our own oracle deck.
That would be so sick it's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Yeah, Well, look, I'm gonna put your links down in
the show notes below for anybody to be able to
reach out to you. Highly suggest everybody reaches out to
Tiffany very connected, very loving, very caring, and I believe
that she has a way of being able to next
to the energy that you are in a very warm
and loving way.

Speaker 6 (01:40:05):
So I just want to say that, sure, I definitely
feel better, you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Yes, yes, has that motherly aspect to her, So love it.
And look, well we'll put all that down the show notes.
I do want to say for all of the one
out there, if you want to be able to support
us in any kind of way, we have a multitude
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(01:40:32):
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could be anybody, it could be any topic, and so

(01:40:53):
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(01:41:15):
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do the same because it helps out big times, and
we appreciate everybody who has done so that is awesome.
Like going through and reading a lot of the comments underneath,
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start doing that under metimistics. Under metamistics, it's almost always good.

(01:41:36):
So I love that. So we appreciate all of the
one out there that are leaving the congestus.

Speaker 6 (01:41:40):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
That being said, we're going to get over to the
meditation now. I don't know exactly direction we're going, but
you're only going to be able to meditate with us
only at Patreon. Unfortunately, can't do it on YouTube. We're
not gonna be able to put it on the podcast
platforms because then there's going to be commercial interruption. Patreon
there is never any commercial interruption. That's probably the best
part about being over to Patreon. So yeah, with that

(01:42:02):
being said, showing any final words, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:42:06):
I mean, this was just a great experience with Tiffany,
and thank you for doing the extra work and really
really trying to dig deep and figure out, you know,
all that you could for us. And I'm really going
to I want to have that printed out or at
least have a chance to look at that and just
go over a couple of times myself. But but yeah,
just thank you for joining us, and this was.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
Great, Thank you guys for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
Of course, of course, yes, all right, well let's get
over to meditate and then we will converse after said meditation.
But look, before we do that, we want to say,
if Tiffany Hany came here and she taught you anything,
it's that you don't know what you don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
But I'll just get weird, stay weird, right, You.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Know, that was a short meditation, but I really felt
like I got a lot out of that one.

Speaker 6 (01:43:00):
Did you really, Yeah, what happened? Did you get?

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
It's strange because like I got like a right where
I needed to be within the first minute or two
and and it and it was strange because I don't
know why. I was just kind of going through the
last couple of days in my mind, not even trying
to think about it, but just like trying to see
how intricate I can get within the details within a meditation,

(01:43:27):
Like are there certain aspects of the past couple of
days that I would have forgotten otherwise, you know what
I mean? And going through that, and then I started
thinking about, you know, Jacob always says this thing the
like it's where he's like, you know, well, it doesn't matter.
It's not a salvation issue, you know, as far as
the religion goes. And I started to think, like, you know,

(01:43:51):
I guess you don't really necessarily, you know, need any
of those things, you know, any of the things to
have literally happened within the bi in order for any
of them to be a salvation issue in the first place. Like,
you don't need to literally believe that any of these
things literally happened in order for you to be saved
at the end of the day. So what does it
matter if you take it literally or not? And I thought, man,

(01:44:14):
that is kind of maybe that's the point, you know,
the idea of just accepting the message and it's not
just you know, strictly with Jacob. That was just I
talked to him every day on you know, on the
cult and stuff, so made me think about it. But yeah,
because you can't take any of this shit with you, you
know what I'm saying, Like you came in alone, you're

(01:44:35):
going out alone. And so then I started thinking, now,
I damn, I can't It's interesting how many thoughts you
have in just a short span of seven minutes. But
I started thinking about, like, man, how awesome is it
that every single one of us, you know, is almost
like this little, for lack of a better term, like

(01:44:56):
a ball of energy, right, maybe almost as if we
are are maybe we are the orbs you know, made
manifest or something.

Speaker 6 (01:45:06):
Like that, right right right, And so I.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
Was like, man, it's going to be really cool to
see what that looks like whenever the end is here,
you know, whenever that may be. It could be fifty sixty,
seventy years from now, it could be two weeks from now,
who knows. Knock on wood. I don't want that to happen,
but it could be at any point in time. And
how cool would it be to be able to like
just see every individual as just like, not necessarily as

(01:45:33):
their human form, but as their non mi stay form,
you know, and like to not look at everything so
literal and just understand that literally everything is so fluid
and all of this is just a dream.

Speaker 6 (01:45:46):
And ultimately, it's funny that you bring that up, you know,
because I feel like, ultimately that's how we should just
be striving. That's what we should be striving for, even
in this physical reality, you know, like, yeah, sure, we
have to go to work and we have to do
physical things, and other people believe this, and other people
believe that, but it's like, really, I mean, you don't

(01:46:06):
you don't see that we all kind of came from
the same thing, regardless of where you were born, regardless
of what book you happen to have been reading, and
just so happened to believe in as as truth, you
know what I mean. I mean, I don't know. I
just feel like that's what we should be doing anyways,
regardless of what somebody thinks or you know, I feel

(01:46:29):
like it's such a waste of energy to to even
entertain any of the divisive things that we've been presented with.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Yeah, it's I find it the most interesting when people say,
my god, I'm like, we probably all came from the
same fucking thing anyway, right, And not only that we
came from the same thing, it's that we are the
same thing, you know. It's you know, and just to
look at it through a neo neo platonic version, you know,

(01:46:59):
everything stems from the one, which stems from the noose,
which stems from the world's soul, which you know, emanates
into the world, the physical earth that we're living in.
So every single individual, every single thing, every single not
thing that exists in this reality is being emanated from
another source, which is being emanated from another source, which

(01:47:21):
is being emanated from another fucking source, you know, So
as it does, that is I mean, it's a it's
a full on, you know, mind fuck. And that's only
one way of looking at it. That was Plato's way
of looking at it, and then Platinus, you know, kind
of made it into a more evolved thing, which, to
be honest, I kind of like the more evolved one
version anyway. But it's cool because you'll see many different

(01:47:43):
you know, explanations trying to describe things without necessarily being
religious about things, you know, all throughout time, whether it
is Taoism or it's you know, like all these different
ways of being able to just tell you that, like
you're pretty fucking special and this life is pretty fucking special,
and it's up to you to like find out what

(01:48:05):
your purpose is. And that's why I just love that,
Like your purpose is to find your purpose. Like that
is my one of my favorite quotes of all time.

Speaker 6 (01:48:12):
That your purpose is whatever you believe it to be,
you know what I mean? Like, I feel like it
would be such a waste of what it is that
you have, you know, to to think otherwise that you
aren't special, or that you you aren't made of the
same thing that everyone else on this earth right now
is made of, you know what I mean? Like, I

(01:48:33):
don't know, I just and that's another thing I'd like
to get into, and maybe we can do an episode
on it. But I've been thinking about this a lot
since that one that painting that I sent you, you know,
and the I took a screenshot of it. But anyways,
I would like to get into the understanding and because
I feel like this is across a lot of cultures
and even religious understandings, but the whole idea of a

(01:48:57):
spiritual war, you know, I feel like we we we
always hear that, you know, and and maybe you know
some like some people would say like, oh, you know,
there's there's there's ets, you know, and there's this war
that's going on between you know, the on Naki or whatever.
And I'm not even saying that that's what's happening. But
I just would like to get down to why is
it that so many people over time that don't have

(01:49:19):
any communication with each other have brought up the idea
of a spiritual war. And I have a feeling that
really all that is is just your internal struggle with
everything around you and your thoughts and your beliefs, and
when you're you're questioned about what you believe and then
you know, vice versa, And like, I feel like that's

(01:49:40):
the struggle, you know, that we all have between each
other because no one knows what it's like to be Jonathan,
nobody knows what it's like to be shown. Nobody knows,
and so we're all at like odds almost, and we're
all divided by what fucking wing you're on of this
fucking bird that was made up and like you know
what I mean, Like what the fuck you know? So

(01:50:01):
it's like, what are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
Yeah, it's interesting because we I feel like everybody feels
judged and judges in both an esoteric and an es
exoteric kind of way, you know, the inner and the
outer reality. And what's interesting is I'm kind of looking
at the whole gnostic understanding in a completely different light,
in the sense of like the demiurge. You know, they
say the demiurge is the false God, right, Yeah? Could

(01:50:24):
it be that, like humanity created that false god in
the first place, and that's that's what the The actual
false god is the one that we put into a.

Speaker 6 (01:50:36):
Box, right right, the one that was made you mean,
the one that was made up like in our own minds,
in our own image.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Yeah, the one that created all these rules, the one
that said this is my special land, and all the
rest of the other land that I also created is
not as cool as this one, you know what I mean,
Like that's all that's got in a box. Shit, and
that's demiurge shit? Am I in my opinion? Anyway?

Speaker 6 (01:50:59):
Oh, I agree with you. I agree with you. I'm red.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Yeah, that would be cool. We can we can definitely
dive into a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:51:06):
I just think it would be there would be a
lot of good esoteric information that we can get from that.
I feel like, you know, I mean, it's not even
just it's not just a spiritual community that has said
something about a spiritual war, the shift going on, or
like a you know what I mean. I feel like
it's kind of just this this thing that's been across
the whole world, you know, And so what does that mean?
You know, I don't know. I just I would really

(01:51:27):
like to try to get to the bottom of some
of these things, because I feel like these are the
types of things that if we can all understand and
go oh, we've been fucking doing it all wrong, you know,
it's like, Okay, no mistake now, you know what I mean,
that's what we gotta do.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
Uh yeah, well, look, maybe we'll get into that next episode,
but until next time, we love you and we'll see
you on the flip side.

Speaker 4 (01:51:52):
I guess the small bater

Speaker 5 (01:52:34):
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