Nature Spirits | Learning How To Work With The Elementals - Meta Mystics

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You created everything. Look for a powerful being you are.
You did these things, but now you're in a human body.
You forget the power you have.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
What you do is what the whole universe is doing
at the place you call here, and now you are
something the whole universe is doing. In the same way
that a way is something that the whole ocean is doing.

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Speaker 3 (02:13):
You know, every time you say metamistics, it was like
throwing me off in the beginning, Like I was really
surprised that you were able to just like remember every
single time that we switched our name up, but every
time you said it, it would like throw me off
just a smidge. But I think I'm starting to finally,
I'm starting to believe already, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
That's a battle. Yeah, yeah, it's really uh it's actually
really interesting because I just bought a book. So every time, like, uh,
so I have my daughter every other weekend, right because
we live in different states. So every time, you know,
I get together with her, we always go and do
something fun, and usually she wants to go to the bookstore,
which I'm here for. I love the bookstore, Barnes and

(02:51):
Noble Books a million, it don't matter. I'm here for
all of it, right because they always have a spiritual
section in there, you know, And in that spiritual section
you can find all the metaphysical books, all the magic
and the witchcraft, and literally anything you want if you've
ever been to a bookstore. And and they also have
like all of your different oracle decks and your tarot

(03:12):
decks and your tarot books and literally books about whatever
it is I mean, spiritual, metaphysical, religious, it's all there,
and I just love looking through it. And I get.
I usually get a new deck and a new book
every time I go, So I need to start giving
away some of these some of these decks, because I'm
never going to be able to use all of them.
But and as a matter of fact, the most recent

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deck that I just bought was the uh, the Alice
in Wonderland deck, So it's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
One, dude, we should pull one from that from that
deck tonight.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
I think it's actually it's a it's an oracle deck,
so let's do it. Yeah, we can pull Honestly, we
can pull that on top of the regular TAROTLM down
because I feel like the oracle is more of just
like a magnifier, you know. Yeah. So anyway, I've been
reading this book and I was like pulled to this
book because first of all, the cover on it is

(04:02):
so sick. But it's called Mastering Magic and it's by
this author. Also he's a magician. His name is Matt
Orn okay, and you can see it right there. I mean,
we don't have any plug to him or anything like that.
But I was just like so drawn to this book
and I was like, oh my god, let me let
me get this. And I started reading into it, and

(04:24):
I was like, and he's talking about He goes, look,
you know the some people call it God, some people
call it the universe. He goes, all of us magicians
and mystics, we all call it the mysteries. And I
was like, wow, all right, it's encompassed. Yeah. So I
just love learning about that kind of stuff. And like

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we always say, we are not the teachers. We are,
you know, still students of the game itself, and so
we're always soaking up more information. There's always going to
be somebody that knows more than you, right, no matter
who you you are, I don't care if you're ninety
nine years old, you've been practicing the craft for eighty years, Like,
somebody knows more than you.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
That's actually my favorite, actually being able to talk to
somebody that knows way more than I do on a
given thing. Like that's that's my jam, dude, you know, dude.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
And it's the marked It's the mark of an intelligent
individual knowing that they don't know everything right, or knowing
that they know nothing you know, right, yeah, exactly, that
everything is pretty malleable, and your understanding of whatever your
understanding is of now can always evolve into something else.
I mean, look at where we were a year ago,

(05:38):
you know, totally different. Oh absolutely.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
You know I look back, you know, to when I
was like twenty five years old, and I would say like, oh,
you know, looking back, man, I.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Didn't know shit.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
I was so dumb and like just the way that
I just the way that I moved, not even not
just the way that I looked at the world, but
just the way that I did things and the way
I thought about what I was gonna do or whatever.
Like I can't even imagine going back into that mindset,
you know what I mean. Actually, I would actually be
curious to see what that's like, just to like go,

(06:09):
holy shit, like what this is a different.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
World, you know.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
But but yeah, man, just in the last two years,
I can say that the same thing, the same statement
as I would for my twenty five year old self,
you know what I mean, how much we've changed.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Look, Pandora, don't go back in the box. That's the
thing is that, like you can't. I mean, the tube paste,
don't go back in the tube. Once it's out, it's out.
And I think that, you know, whenever you are kind
of uh, you know, I guess like, uh, learning about
all this kind of different stuff that all the different
philosophies and spiritualities and religious modalities and the UFO stuff

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and everything, right like you you don't just unlearned that, no,
you know. And I think that probably the only way
you could unlearn it, hypothetically in quo denotations, would be
too like now I'm religious and all that stuff is demonic,
right Like, that would be the only way.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Or just completely blue pillot, you know, and just try
to find everything that you used to find joy in doing,
you know what I'm saying, and just try to delve
into that reality once again. But I'm gonna be honest
with you, I don't even think that that is doable,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
I mean, to get to a certain point.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I'm sure that there's things that because there's things that
I still like to do. Like I love watching movies,
you know what I mean, Like a good a good film, dude.
Like that's what I enjoy most, Like watching a good
movie with my wife. But other than that, dude, there's
a bunch of other things that I feel like I
used to partake in and enjoy and now I'm just
like it just doesn't do it for me anymore, you know.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you know. And as a
matter of fact, whenever I first started getting into a
lot of this spiritual stuff was actually twenty twenty, as
a matter of fact, which is whenever I first started
really looking into Honestly, that's whenever I started the Cult
of Conspiracy was twenty twenty. But it was also aligning,

(08:09):
like I started the cult, and on that same process,
I was trying to mend a lot of the spiritual
stuff in there, right, And so actually, like one of
the very first guests that I ever had on the
cult was John mcclucky, who was you know, the QHHT
in the Past life regression before I ever even got
into it, just I was just fascinated by it, and
looking back at it, I'm like, that has nothing to

(08:30):
do with conspiracies. Why did I even go there, you know,
But it was just because I wanted the Cult of
Conspiracy to be about conspiracies and spirituality, which I'm happy
that Jacob doesn't even like to talk about that kind
of stuff because it allowed me to branch off to
do a whole other episode that was strictly focused on
the spiritual craziness.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
You know, well, if you think about it, man, everything
seems to start there, like whether it's if you want
to call it the spiritual side or you want to
call it with the mind, you know what I mean,
everything starts with mind. And so how could you not
look at the conspiracies or the whatever the topic or
or general idea you're you're heading towards. How can you

(09:09):
not apply the mental and or spiritual aspect of that,
because that's it's it's all encompassing, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
It is it is, Yeah, I mean I think that
it can be for most people. And and this is
the thing that like, even before I ever started podcasting,
I used to be a big listener to a lot
of a lot of podcasts, but one of my favorite
ones was always Tinfoil Hat with Sam Tripley and you know,
Lo and Behold. A few years later, I ended up,

(09:37):
you know, me and Jacob end up going on his
show and we're talking about the Shroud of Turin and
then and then we get to meet him over at
Brohemian Grove in Florida, and it was just a crazy, like,
you know, full circle kind of thing. But whenever I
was listening to him, and he used to always say
this one thing to where he said, conspiracy always leads
you to spirituality, and I was like, it has to,

(09:59):
you know, And I always thought that was so fascinating,
and so I don't know, maybe that's really where it
all started. Maybe Sam is the one that planted that seed.
Who knows, I mean, who knows?

Speaker 3 (10:07):
I mean it makes sense though, you know, once your
world is shattered, once you see that the lies or
once you see you know, and not even to get
to conspiratorial about it, but once you see that the world,
the world that you thought it was is no more.
It's definitely not that. It was definitely an illusion or
some underlying fucking lens that you were looking at everything through.

(10:27):
And now that thing is completely shattered. And so like, well,
now who am I If nothing I.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Thought I was is yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah, So now you got to get spiritual or you
gotta fucking go inward and you know, get to the
deeper causes of everything.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
There definitely seems to be some powers that are working
seemingly beyond the veil, right, and you know, behind every
great conspiracy, there's always some kind of puppet master, Like
every single time, it's always somebody who's orchestrating all of this.
And then you're like, all right, well, let me look
into the different modes and modalities that that they're using

(11:04):
to implement their magical spells upon the rest of the world.
And then that leads you into Rosicrucianism, and it leads
you into Cobblism, and it leads you into all these
different you know, uh, symbolic synchronicities and magic and all
these different spells, and you're like, like, that is where
the rabbit hole leads to, Like the rabbit hole always

(11:25):
leads to spiritual processes and archetypes and all these different
forces of everything, and you're just wondering, like, man, there
is something so much like the things that they're doing
are beyond They're beyond surface level.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
And beyond comprehension, you know what I mean. Otherwise it
would be a little more obvious, right, you know what
I mean? And that's why it's so genius. And we
know how powerful symbols are and how powerful frequencies are,
and how all of these things that we've we've come
to at least slightly understand on a higher level. It's
like if all of these things work, including magic, all

(12:02):
of these things work, and we know that you take
people their their energy and their attention away from whatever
it is they're trying to do, and you put it
towards the thing you want them to see to charge
up the battery that is the thing they're trying to accomplish.
It's like, well, how do you how do you not
look at it that way?

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Now?

Speaker 3 (12:21):
You know, yeah, in that frame of mind, there being
a puppeteer that is.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well, and there seems to be some kind of resonant
frequency of the earth during crazy events, like leading up
to crazy events. So for example, like you know this
old Charlie Kirk thing. We're not going to get into it,
but that was a huge thing that just happened to
humanity in a sense, right, the same thing with nine

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to eleven and like crazy things like that. And I
was recently, you know, going down a rabbit hole of
this guy. He's a doctor, but he's like a like
a neuroscience kind of doctor, right, and he was trying
to measure what was if we're looking at human consciousness

(13:07):
as a singularity and not as a divisible by eight
million or eight billion or whatever it is, right, however
many people there are on this I think, what is it?
Eight billion people on the Earth or something like that,
And he goes, what if we just look at it
as a whole. We found a way to measure that, right,
And that's really where the idea I believe why people

(13:28):
started looking into the human residence, which is kind of
crazy and I could just be you know, drawing things
together that don't match, but I think that that's really what.
You know, if you were to kind of measure the
frequency of everybody and everything, and if everything is one thing,
then you should be able to measure if it is
one thing, then the Earth would be a pretty good

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place to start, right, And so he started realizing that moments,
if not minutes, before any of these crazy events happened,
there was a massive bike in the human residence every single.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Time before the event. Right before.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, almost as if like we knew it was going
to happen, but we didn't know what it was. But
there was a there was a spike in something that
caused the human resonance to spike like crazy.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Wow, the frequency of the Earth just had anxiety about something,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (14:22):
What it was.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
But something is around the corner.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah what is that?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
You know?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. But anyway, I just I love
looking at uh, you know, if we're if we're to
believe that everything is one thing and we're all really
just one consciousness that believes that were not, then just
kind of looking at it as a whole. And whenever

(14:48):
we say that everything is one consciousness, that doesn't necessarily
mean just human conscious And that is where we're going
to go today as a matter of fact, the episode today,
and you'll hear about it a lot, whether it is
witches and wizards and warlocks and magicians and mystics and

(15:08):
sages and gurus and shamans and all of them, like
the high priestesses and high priests and all this kind
of stuff. Every single one of them have found a
way to be able to use the elements to their
advantage in one way or another. And I always used
just used to think like and we talked about the druids, right,

(15:29):
same thing, right like working with the elements, And I just, man,
how do you even wrap your mind around working with elements? Like?
Coming from the perspective that we have held here lately,
is that if everything is one, then how how are
we to consciously connect with an inanimate objects such as

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water or you know, wood or fire or something like that,
Because how do you even get into that mindset order
to connect to it? Right?

Speaker 3 (16:01):
See, the only thing that my mind immediately jumps to
is just the symbolism of the things, you know, water
being fluid, and so it's more like emotions, and it's
kind of up and down, you know, like a wave.
And so you can look at the symbolic attributes of
these things, but as far as applying the elements to
your life or your your practice and really trying to

(16:23):
implement these things that I'm not I'm with you, I'm
not one hundred percent sure.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, I just find it so damn fascinating, and I
think that this will broaden our understanding of what it
means to connect with the all. Okay, and so let's
get all the way weird, baby, let's do it. So
today we are getting into elemental magic with fire, water, air, earth,
and let's just throw the ether in there for fox.

(16:51):
Let's do it, dude.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Oh yeah, I like when you do it.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah yeah, so ether. Also, you know, you could also
substitute it with spirit same thing.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
To be honest, I think, right, the unseen if you will.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
The unseen forces. Yes, that that everybody you know kind
of we all know that it's there, right Ye. And dude,
I heard somebody say that, you know, we call it
the sixth sense, but I really, I really think that
it's the first. And I was like, oh, yes, so yeah, yeah,
it's kind of kind of awesome. So tonight we're going

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to journey into the oldest spiritual framework and human history,
the elements of fire, water, air, earth, and the mysterious
fifth element, ether or spirit. The anciente saw the elements
not just as substances, but as but as living forces
that shaped all existence. Modern science may describe them differently,
but at their core, the troops remained the same. Fire

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transforms energy, water flows through endless cycles, Air carries invisible currents,
Earth anchors us in form, and the ether, though dismissed
by modern physics, which you know not shall, still lingers
in our language of fields, space, and spirit. So this
episode is about bridging the gap to show how science

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and mysticism are two languages describing the same world, to
reveal how magic is real, alive, and usable, and to
remind you that working with the elements isn't superstition, it's
remembering how to speak to the forces of reality itself.
So tonight, let's light the fire, pour the water, breathe
the air, ground in the earth, and step into the ether.

(18:32):
Let's make magic reel again. Dude, Let's let's go baby. Yes, yes,
So first I figure, well, we'll go to a website
rey quick, and it's actually a place that we've gone
to in the past. It is witcheslore dot com. So
in which's lore on this website it says elemental magic,

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the five elements in witchcraft. Now, it's not only bound
to witchcraft, like every form of mystic has worked with
these elements to some manner in the past. We mentioned
the druids earlier, they're not the only ones. We mentioned
the witches. They're not the only ones we mentioned. Literally,
anybody who has ever tried to connect with the all,

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whatever you want to call it, whether it's the universe,
whether it's God, whether it's the One, the Source, whatever
it is, most people know that truth is always found
in nature, So why not go right to that source? Right?
So in this one it says Am says greetings, fellow witches.
As practitioners of magic, we understand the power and significance

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of the elements in our craft. Whether it's invoking the
winds for clarity of thought, calling upon the earth to
ground our energy, or communing with the waters for emotional healing,
the elements are an integral part of our spiritual practice.
Understanding the elements and their energies can help us deepen
our connection with the natural and enhance our magical abilities.

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In this Guide to Elemental Magic, we will explore the
five elements fire, Earth, air, water, and spirit. See some
people interchange them spirit, ether, same thing right, and their correspondences,
including their colors, directions, symbols, and magical associations. We will
also delve into the principles of elemental astrology, which provides

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valuable insights into the connection between the elements and these
zodiac signs. Throughout this guide, we will also discuss rituals
and ceremonies that can be used to connect with the elements.
We will also explore the principles of elemental astrology and
how to use this knowledge to enhance our magical practice
and deepen our connection with the natural world. I hope
this guide will serve as a valuable resource for you

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as you explore the magic of the elements. Remember the
power of the elements is within you, and by connecting
with them, you can transform your life and your magical practice.
May the winds carry you, the earth ground you, the
air in inspire you, and the water heal you on
your magical journey. Before we start, it's important to note
that elemental magic is a complex form of magic that

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requires a deep understanding of the elements and their properties.
It is essential to approach elemental magic with respect and caution.
It is also important to note that this guide is
intended to serve as a starting point for your elemental
magic journey. It is not an exhaustive guide. An exhaustive guide,
and you should continue to research and learn about elemental
magic as you practice it. Now, we've heard how many

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magicians have come on this show. Whether it's Lord Byron
or Ea or you name them. I mean, we've had
several of them on the show. They almost all talk
about if they're trying to connect with a deity, you know,
a spirit, an angel, a demon, an old God, a
new God, whatever, right, they all talk about getting to

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know them as much as they possibly can, right, Like,
what is it? What can I learn about this individual
so that I can use them a little bit more
in my magical practices. If we're looking at them as
strictly archetypes, right then you would want to know every
single thing about that archetype is humanly possible. It's like
whenever you're looking at a tarot card. You know, at

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first it's okay, you know, if you only get a
one word, one word that pops up into your mind
every time you see a tarot card, that's a good start,
but it's not the whole of the story. You know.
You want to look at what are they holding, what's
what's the color of the sky, what's the color of
their clothes? You know, you want to know all the
different symbolisms that is being represented within each card. And

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so that's where we're going with this. Yes, water is wet,
you know, but what is it? What else is it
beyond that? Right? Right? So that's what we're going to
be trying to touch on today. So of course you
got to start with Earth. Oh Earth, here we go,
baby yep. So Earth embodies the embodiment of stability, grounding,

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and material abundance. It is the fertile soil that nurtures life,
the mountains that rise with unwavering strength, and the foundation
on which we build we build our spiritual journeys. Just
as the Earth provides sustenance for all living beings, this
element enables, which is, to manifest their desires, anchor their intentions,
and connect with the physical world. It aligns us with

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the rhythms of nature and helps us find balance, resilience,
and prosperity. Earth is often connected with the spiritual, with
the practical aspects of life, including abundance, prosperity, physical health,
and fertility. It influences our connection to the physical body
and the material realm. Earth magic is especially potent for

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grounding and centering oneself, establishing bounty boundaries, and bringing stability
during times of chaos or emotional upheaval. By harnessing the
Earth's elemental energy, which is, can create foundations for their
intentions and manifest their desires in a tangible and grounded manner. Already,
you're starting off like, okay, we can look at it

(24:03):
for it's certain aspects, and you can see, at least
on the surface, about how you may apply the Earth
in your magical practice. Right yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Well, for for example, you know, just the mind aspect
of it, you know, understanding that you are of this earth.
I mean you at least grew out of it, you know,
through a long, long who knows, maybe an infinite chain
of events out came you eventually, you know what I'm saying.
And so you are are part of it, you know,

(24:31):
And so why wouldn't you look to the earth and
things like that to gain some sort of knowledge or understanding,
you know, for the mind? I love it, yeah, yeah,
and it's I think that it's important to try and
include it as far as our understanding, because whether you
think that this is all a simulation or a matrix

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or whatever, you have to understand that, like our body
is also part of that matrix, right, so like because
without this matrix, we don't have a body anymore.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
So you may as well learn how to play in it,
you know, like look at the sandbox and think, don't
don't don't worry so much about why am I trapped
in this sandbox? And you know, you're worried about the
whole ananaky thing, and here they are. They just want
me to mind all these sand castles. Don't worry about
that like look at it in the sense of, oh, man,

(25:26):
I get to create these awesome sand castles, I get
to I get to dig these crazy trenches and I can,
you know, make a drawbridge. And you know, the goal
here is to create, So why not understand all the
elements that you have right in front of you all
the time to be able to create in the way
that I believe that we were put here for.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Right, absolutely absolutely, and you know, as far as you know,
just the whole aspect of maybe there's something after this, right,
but like right now, we're here, and so we should
at least just expec sperience of this to the fullest,
you know what I'm saying, Like you said, not worrying
about like, oh, we're trapped here. It's more like we're
just experiencing this, So make it the best possible thing

(26:11):
you can, you know, rather than fearing everything.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, And I'll tell you what, There's been times where
I've been put in situations to be able to succeed
and I didn't take it seriously enough, and I look
back with like regret. Almost not so much anymore. I
don't really hold any regrets, But there was a period
in my life where I would look back that, oh, man,
I was in such a good position, or I had
a really good opportunity and I just let it squander itself, right,

(26:38):
And that's probably the worst feeling, because you want to
make sure that you're getting the most out of yourself
given whatever position or situation that you're in. It's always
regret is not so much about like, oh, I wasn't
presented with this opportunity. Like nobody's regretful for something that
they were never presented the opportunity for. Right. You're regretful

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for having an opportunity and not taken advantage.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Of it, right, Right, And it doesn't serve you very
well to look back and kick yourself in the ass.
When you're now in this situation or this predicament, it's like,
try to experience this.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
The best you can.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
That way you don't miss future or present current opportunities.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah. Well, and that's the thing is that you know,
you can sit there and regret, but ultimately, if you're
not using regret as a tool to better you and
make you more aware of opportunities that present themselves in
the future, then there's no point in regret in the
first place. If you really think about it, like, if
you're not using it as.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
A tool, then don't use it at all, right, you know,
And I would probably say don't use it at all,
you know what I mean, Like, yeah, sure, you can
remember the bad decisions you've made that got you here,
but don't sit there and put yourself on a lower
frequency in the process, because then, like I said, you
might just miss out on opportunities coming forward, you know

(27:56):
what I mean? Or going forward?

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. So anyhow, incorporating Earth in
witchcraft to embrace the Earth element in witchcraft, one can
partake in various practices. Spending time in nature, whether it
be through forest walks, gardening, or simply sitting on the earth,
allows us to attune ourselves to Earth's vibration and draw

(28:19):
inspiration from its wisdom. Incorporating natural materials like stones, soil, plants,
and dispels, rituals, or altars can enhance the connection to
the Earth element. Additionally, crafting charms or talismans using Earth
associated symbols such as the pentacle, the labyrinth, or representations

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of animals connected to the Earth can strengthen can strengthen
the bond with this element. Working with grounding meditation or
visualization techniques allows us to align with the Earth's stability
and find our inner balance. The Earth element serves as
a grounding force in witchcraft, reminding us of our deep
connection to the physical realm and the rhythms of nature.

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By embracing this element's energy, which is can cultivate stability, abundance,
and resilience in their magical practices, whether through incorporating natural materials,
performing spells focused on manifesting abundance, or spending time and nature.
The Earth element offers a steadfast foundation upon which witches
can build their craft. So let us immerse ourselves and

(29:23):
the Earth's embrace and embark on a journey of connection, prosperity,
and spiritual growth. So this is pretty interesting, and they
bring up the different correspondences for Earth, which I find
pretty fascinating just as far as symbolism goes. So the
gender for Earth is feminine. Obviously, it's Mother Earth, right,

(29:43):
It's always birthing new things all the time. The time
is quite interesting, but it does make sense, says The
time that it corresponds with would be the nighttime, And
I guess it does really make sense because without the
sun it would always be dark anyway, and the sun
isn't necessarily element of the earth, right, it's separate from
the earth, right, So pretty interesting that way. Which then

(30:08):
by accepting that, you would also have to agree that
the season would be winter because without the sun it
would probably just snow a lot. It'd just be cold
as shit all the time. Oh shit, Okay, I'm with you.
The direction is north, which I guess also kind of
makes sense if we are always stuck on a pole
and that pole was always aligned with the North Star, right,

(30:32):
I guess it makes sense most of the time that
people align any ancient spiritual practices, just as we heard
from symbolic studies the other night, it was always aligned
with polar deities, and it was always the northern hemisphere
that was always working with them. Yep, exactly, So it
makes sense that it would be north. That being said,

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the planets that would also be around would be Venus
and Saturn. Venus makes sense because we're close to Venus,
aren't we.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, But I don't know what's what's going on with Saturn.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
What's the deal? Well, Venus is the morning star. It's
the first star in the sky in the morning, right,
So maybe that makes the most amount of sense Saturn. Well,
I mean I know a lot of dark magicians out
there that definitely work with Saturn more than anything else. Yeah. Hm,
so I'm not sure about that one. Yeah, And we
can go on and on with all these different things,

(31:25):
but I just find it pretty fascinating just with all
of the different correspondences. I mean, it brings up different herbs, food,
and drink. The food and drinks would be root vegetables, grains, nuts,
and herbal teas, everything that comes from the earth naturally, Okay.
So the earth magical properties would be stability, grounding, abundance, fertility, manifestation,

(31:48):
and practicality. Interesting, the manifestations on.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
There, I like it well, yeah, especially of the physical
you know.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, check out the different names nature spirits. So you
would have gnomes, trolls, fairies, and earth elementals. Mm hmm.
It makes sense because anytime that you know, like the
people of old always spent time outside, right, and most
of the time those were elements that you would find outside,
you know, your fairies and your gnomes and the trolls.

(32:20):
They were always like outside kind of creatures, you know, right.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
And I remember we had a show I forget who
we were talking to at the time, but we were
talking about like the the earth spirits or the nature spirits, right,
And I remember the very next day, I was just
like I put my awareness to like the trees because
they were blowing in the wind, and one of the
trees like moved, I don't know, it was just like
a little bit different than the rest, and I noticed it,

(32:46):
and then I started to think about that that whole
aspect of the the nature spirits or whatever. And then
I looked over to my left and found a twenty
dollars bill on the ground. And it was just like
this magical thing that happened to me, because it's like
if it would have happened and I wasn't even thinking
about that whole thing, and I just found the money.
It's like, okay, I wouldn't even even put two and
two together, but because of how it happened and what

(33:07):
my mind was doing, and then I find money out
of nowhere, I don't know, it was just like, oh shit,
it's almost like.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
It's almost like the earth rewarded you, yeah, because I
noticed it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
And then I just manifested something in the I don't know,
it was just it was awesome.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, that's cool. Sorry. So we're going to go over
a lot of this a little bit later, but this
is kind of just an outline because what we're getting
into later is going to be so much deeper, and
it's going to deepen and broaden your understanding of the elements,
probably far more than definitely either one of us have
ever you know, looked into sure and we've talked about

(33:46):
the elements whenever we read The Magician, Remember, it went
into working with the element the elementals, And at the
time it was kind of something that almost went over
our head because we were still, you know, young in
our understand and I mean we still are very young
in our understanding, there's no doubt about that. But the
path is of the mystic, okay, and that we're on

(34:08):
the path, you know, we are on the path. We're
on the Full's journey. I don't know what steps were
on yet, but we're definitely no longer We're no longer
just the full, you know. I would say we're at
least at the Magician, at the leavests.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yeah, right, oh yeah, a minimum.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
At the minimum. I don't know, I feel like we've
crossed the tower so far, you know.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Oh yeah, so there's no going back.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Let's just say that, no, there ain't. So the next
one we're going to get into is air. Air is
a force that is both seen and unseen, carrying the
energies of communication, intellect, inspiration, and transformation. Just as the
wind whispers secrets through the trees, air symbolizes the realm
of thoughts, ideas, and the power of the mind. It

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holds the potential for clarity, mental agility, and the swift
currents of change. By tapping into the essence of air,
witches can amplify their intellectual capacities, enhance their intuition, and
facilitate the free flow of energy within their craft. Air
magic encompasses themes of intellect, communication, inspiration, and travel. It

(35:14):
aids in enhancing mental clarity, fostering effective communication, and seeking
truth and wisdom. By working with the air element, which
is can harness its energy to stimulate creativity, promote clear thinking,
and invite swift transformation in their lives. It serves as
a conduit for ideas to take flight and for intentions

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to be carried far and wide.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
I love that, just to put it in terms the
like of the now. You know what I mean, if
you're outside and you're really putting your awareness and you're
really directing all of your attention on just how the
wind is flowing and how it feels, and you're you're
putting your mind to just that aspect of what the
wind does. You know, you're not You're definitely not looking
at your phone. You're definitely not doing you know, some

(36:01):
shit that doesn't serve you. You're just you're paying attention
to that and allowing your mind to to process and
do things that it's supposed to be doing, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
And so I don't know, you know what, it always
seems like like every time the wind is blowing, it
seems like it's an effortless kind of movement, you know,
like it's doing so without forcing it.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Well, the wind is doing exactly what it's supposed to
be doing, you know what I mean. Like you never
feel like, ah, the wind's not supposed to be doing
this right now, It's exactly doing what it's supposed to
be doing.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
It's just it's nature. You know. Well, when you think
about it, without the wind, you know, you wouldn't have
pollen from trees and from from roses, and all the
flowers and all the different plants spreading across all the land,
which would help with all the vegetation of everything. Right,
And so it all serves one major like divine focal point,

(36:57):
and it all just works in communion because it knows
almost like it knows its duty, and it doesn't hesitate
to do it right.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
It doesn't have second thoughts or doubts about itself, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
It just does. It just knows. Yeah. So to embrace
the air elements in witchcraft, practitioners can engage in various
practices that attune them to its energy. Spending time in
open spaces such as parks or hilltops and feeling the
gentle caress of the wind on one's skin creates a
direct connection with the air's essence. Utilizing feathers, incense, or

(37:32):
smoke in rituals and spell casting and spell casting can
invoke the transformative power of air. Visualizing oneself surrounded by
a gentle breeze or conducting breathwork. Conducting breathwork exercises can
help align with the energetic currents of air. Furthermore, crafting
and utilizing wind a wind. Chimes or sigils featuring symbols

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associated with air, such as birds, feathers, or spirals can
deepen the connection with this element. Engaging in divination practices
such as scrying or working with oracle cards can also
tap into Earth's earth elements, intuitive and insightful aspects. The
air element serves as an ethereal force within witchcraft, elevating

(38:17):
our practice by stimulating intellectual growth, fostering effective communication, and
facilitating transformation by embracing Air's energy, which can enhance their
intuitive capacities, harness the power of their thoughts, and invite
swift change into their lives. Through mindful engagement with the element,
whether through visualization, breath work, or incorporating air associated symbols

(38:41):
and materials into rituals, we can soar on the winds
of inspiration and embrace the limitless possibilities that air bestows.
So let us open our minds, breathe deeply, and dance
in harmony with the enchanting power of air. That's great.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
It gets me to think of that quote Alan Watts said,
as far as you are doing exactly what the universe
is doing, just like a wave is doing what the
ocean is doing. And so if you're visualizing the wind
and you're in that space where that wind is happening,
and you're able to see the thing spinning or whatever
it is that you're using the smoke spiraling, it's putting

(39:19):
you right in tune with that moment in time with
the wind, you know what I mean. And so it's
like you're really almost like HEMI sinking with the earth itself.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, that makes sense. That's a perfect way to put that. Yeah, yeah,
that's interesting how that works, dude. But there are correspondences
for air. So the gender is masculine, okay, man, maybe
because it forces its way through no matter where it's going.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
I'm not sure, no idea. The time is dawn, so hmm.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
I don't know how they come up with these ones.
I'm sure there's a there's a rhyme or a reason.
I just don't. I don't know how to wrap my
mind around certain things like that. The season would be spring.
That makes sense, you know, it's carrying all the different
seeds and all the different pollens and everything everywhere. Makes sense.
The direction would be east, right, So I guess that's

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just the natural flow of the winds. Maybe I have
no idea. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
I wish I did, And let's go on.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
The tarot card would be the suit of Swords, which
we didn't read the Earth one, but I kind of
have a direct idea.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
It would be, well, the sword cuts through the air.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, and so the Earth card would be pentacles. Oh okay, okay,
makes sense. I guess. Then you have the air animals
would be birds, butterflies, dragonflies, owls, and hawks. So that's
pretty interesting if you think about it, because you're not
just working with the air, you're also working with the

(40:55):
air you know, elementals, the air animals at that animals
and what is a you know, because without the wind,
does the eagle fly as far as it needs to?
You know, does it have to put in so much effort?
Because you think about it, most of the the the
air creatures, they're going with the wind. They're not necessarily
going against it. You know, that's just going to cause

(41:15):
them to exert a lot more energy. They'd much rather
go with the flow of the wind exactly.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
You know.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
A quick thing that happened recently, my wife she had
a final exam to do and it was her second attempt.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
You know, to make sure that she was going to
pass this test, and she.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Had I think she I mean, if she would have
failed it, I don't think she would have failed out
of the class because her grade's high enough for what
have you. But basically she needed to pass it. And
so she was already at school and I had just
got home from from work and right above our door
on the wall was a I believe it was called.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Well it was.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
It was a big it was a huge moth. But
there was a name of this moth, and it was
like a name. It was a hummingbird moth. And so
immediately because it caught in and it was so big,
you know, and just the timing of it, dude, it
like lined up perfectly with kind of what we were
trying to make happen, almost like it was a messenger
of some sort, you know, to bring us some type

(42:12):
of luck or like, if not luck, then at least
like a reassurance, you know what I mean. And it
was one of those uh air animals, you know, or
insect But and.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Dude, there's actually a lot of spiritual connection to the
moth as well, you know, a lot like you know,
the like it's almost like the phoenix, Like it's a
very spiritual kind of connection that you can build with
the phoenix and like the dragon and stuff like that.
The moth is right up there.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Oh yeah, well that's what made me think of it.
Was that book that you showed me. Was that not
a moth or was that a butterfly? I'm not sure.
I think it actually is a moth. Bro I think
it is, yeah, And it just it reminded me of that,
and so yeah, I don't know. Sometimes when things like
that happened, I feel like it's I mean, of all
all the houses that that crazy looking moth could.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Have landed on, you know, and what we were going through.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
And what it seemed to have meant spiritually, because I
looked it up like immediately because I was like, oh,
this is something you know, and I don't know, it
felt right.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Well, And there's something to it too, because if you
even think about it, like if you so, a lot
of people like going into the Bible and then looking
up the original meaning of said words, whether it be
you know, the the ancient Greek way of understanding it,
or the ancient Hebrew way of understanding it, or the
Aramaic way of understanding it right, like as Jesus spoke
Aramaic and all these things, right, And whenever people look

(43:37):
at what was the word that we know as spirit,
what was that translated from? You know? And it was
always the breath? Like the breath is the spirit. And
you think about breath, I'm sure that is perfectly in
line with wind, right right? M h absolutely? Air, yeah right,
it's literally like you can't do it without air, you know.

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And if we are not generating some kind of wind
every time we speak, I don't know what it is,
you know. Ye, So that would be the air. The
nature spirits would be the Sylphs, the fairies, and the sprites. Interesting. Oh,
the d d's associated with the air element would be
hermes Iris, both Athena and mercury. Hm hmm. Shout out

(44:27):
of Thoth, Dude. I always like to give him a
shot out every time we can. Dude. Absolutely, he's one
of the ogs of this show.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
The next element we're gonna be getting into water. This
is where it's gonna start getting wild, I'm gonna tell
you that, right. So, And like my two favorite ones
that I've looked up because I did a lot of
research before this. My two favorite elements that I looked
up were fire and water, and you'll see why because
it gets it gets wild. So water, the elements of
fluidity and intuition, mirrors the ebb and of life itself.

(45:01):
It represents the vast seas, serene lakes, and soothing soothing
rivers rather that nourish the earth and all living beings.
In the realm of emotions, water governs the depth of
our feelings, encouraging us to embrace vulnerability, intuition, and empathy.
By connecting with the water element, which is can navigate
the currents of their emotions, tap into their psychic abilities,

(45:24):
and embark on a journey of healing and spiritual transformation. Now,
before I read any farther, I do want to just
say this, if for nothing else with this show, if
you're not going to be working with the elementals or
anything like that, just at least use it for your
tarot understanding, right, right, Because every single tarot card has air, earth, water, fire,

(45:49):
It's always something associated with it, right, And so if
you're not going to use it, at least understand it symbolism,
which is to be honest, it's the main reason why
I wanted to do it because I was trying to
deepen and you know, broaden my under my own personal
understanding of the tarot itself. And I feel like if
you can at least get a decent understanding of the elements,

(46:11):
you'll be able to apply that to every single tarot card.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Oh absolutely, And I really like and what we probably
should do, and I think I might is go through
the tarot deck, like Mario was saying, as far as like,
just just take one card and just try to fully
understand that card to the best of your ability before.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
You move on to another one, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Just really fully embody and try to take what you
can from that card, you know, and then move on.
So I think I think we might have to do.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
That for sure. That's actually a really good idea.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
And just start with the major arcana if you want
it to first or whatever you want, you know, start
with pinnacles and just go through all those first or
whatever you want to do.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, that's a good idea. And honestly, look, there's there's
seventy eight cards in a tarot deck, right, there's fifty
two weeks in a year, and we do two shows
a week, right, we could do one herrow card per episode. Honestly,
if we really wanted to, just maybe towards the end
or every time we pull one, right, it's like, all right,

(47:11):
here's the next one. We're gonna try and really depict
and really understand. And you know, I mean, all of this,
what is witchcraft and magic and spirituality? If it's not
being put into practice anyway, that's it, you know. So
I don't know that could be something we look into.
But anyway, water magic encompasses themes of emotion, intuition, healing, purification,

(47:33):
and spiritual transformation. It allows witches to dive deep into
their emotions, heal past wounds, and connect with their inner wisdom.
By working with the water elements, practitioners can harness its
energy to enhance their psychic abilities, facilitate emotional healing, and
invoke a sense of divine flow and receptivity within their craft. Now,

(47:54):
if you think of every time that there's every time
there's a baptism, usually water involved, right, and so maybe
that element in and of itself plays a major role
in shedding one's old body and coming into the the
rebirthed new version of you. You know, and if you
think about it, every single time you're born. I mean

(48:15):
we've only ever you know, consciously remembered being born once.
But whenever you're born, like the mom's water has to
break first, you know, and you're coming out of literally,
as it puts it in the in the Bible, out
of the matrix whenever you come out of your mother,
right right, you know. So the woman's vagina is referred

(48:38):
to as a matrix like a fucking border, yeah, which
is pretty cool. So you're born from the waters essentially,
and so that's the whole idea of baptism is to
be reborn again from the waters itself, you know, just
the symbolism of it. So incorporating water in witchcraft to

(49:01):
embrace the water element in witchcraft, there are various practices
that witches can engage in to connect with its energy.
Spending time near natural water bodies such as oceans, rivers,
or even taking soothing baths can attune one to water's essence.
Collecting and consecrating water from sacred sources, or infusing water

(49:21):
with intentions and blessings can create potent magical elixirs. Incorporating seashells,
coral or other marine elements in altars or spells can
also enhance the connection with water. Furthermore, engaging in scrying
or mirror givenation rituals, as well as working with dream
magic and intuitive practices can tap into the depths of

(49:43):
water's wisdom. Creating ritual baths or performing water based rituals
for emotional healing, purification, or manifestation can be a powerful
way to work with water's transformative energy. Meditation and visualization
techniques can involve immersing oneself's oneself in the imagery of
water or swimming in an ethereal sea can also deepen

(50:06):
the connection to water. Wow a meditation and visualization of
you swimming in an ethereal sea. That's all sign me
up all day so. Water, with its mystical depths and
ever changing nature, holds a special place within witchcraft. By

(50:26):
embracing the essence of water, which is can explore the
vast seas of their emotions, tap into their intuitive powers,
and embark on a journey of healing and spiritual transformation.
Through practices such as connecting with natural water sources, utilizing
water and rituals or spell work, or engaging in divination
and intuitive exercises, we can immerse ourselves in the enchanting

(50:48):
flow of water's energy. So let us surrender to the currents,
dive into the depths, and allow the mystical waters to
guide us on our magical path of emotional healing, intuition,
and spiritual growth. You know what this reminds me of?
M Do you remember in Space Jam? You know the
tune squad. You know Michael Jordan's team was getting that

(51:09):
ass whooped that halftime. Oh yeah, and Michael Jordan and
all of his brilliance. He said, I'm gonna give them
some of this magical juice, right, and he goes and
he says, look, you drink this, you are going to
outperform everybody. You are just going to go crazy, and
he gives it to all of them. They all believe it, right,
because they all asked him, like, what's that one thing?

(51:30):
How do you do it? And so it just comes
up with this thing on the spot. It was water, right,
It was nothing special. It was just regular tap water.
Wasn't even anything crazy, right, but they all believed it,
and that water it was Yeah, it was just a
placebo effect really, but that water was essentially a placebo
symbol in a sense that they ingested something and that's

(51:54):
something is going to allow them to play as if
they were Michael Jordan. Right, it's a magical elixir. Yeah, yeah,
what I mean. And it's crazy, and it's not really
that crazy because even if you think about it, there's
holy water, right, and like anytime there needs to be
any kind of exorcism or you know, you go and

(52:15):
get baptized or you go and get confirmed into Catholicism
or whatever, there's always the water that goes on your head, right,
And there seems to be some kind of spiritual connection
all the time to water. And is it because it's
so malleable and so easily accessible, and people always use
whatever was accessible to them all the time in their

(52:38):
spiritual aid. Like all the time it was whatever you
had with you. It was just like never more Airy said,
like whatever you got in your kitchen, dude, it doesn't matter. Yeah,
it's that.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
And also none of us can live without it, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I mean, yeah, our bodies are you know, over seventy
percent water, as is the Earth's right, Yeah, I mean
we are essentially water sacks. You think about it, yep,
what so, dude, we are not right and and so
it's just I mean, if you really think about it,
if all we are is you know, uh, energy, vibration

(53:14):
and frequency. You know, we're made up of water, so
essentially our being is a frequency that is made from
the water itself. That's right.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
We're just cimatics, now, that's all. That's really it.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Yeah, you know, so it's it's not really that crazy
that whenever you know you're feeling a certain way in
your mind, the rest of your body emulates it. That's right,
you know. So yeah, here we are just crystallizing shit
in our entire body. We don't even know it. So uh, anyway,

(53:51):
there's all the different Uh you can incorporate the water
and your witchcraft and everything too. I can't remember if
I did I read that far yet my tripping it's hard.
Oh yeah, yeah I did. Okay, So water, it says
that the gender of water would be feminine.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Okay, makes sense. That makes sense to me, it does.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
You know, we come from the water women. I mean,
you gotta come from a woman, you know, or a
woman you know. So the season would be autumn, okay,
which is interesting. The evening or the time would be evening, right,
the direction would be west, the tarot card would obviously

(54:35):
be the suit of cups. The water animals that you
would attached to this would be fish, dolphins, turtles, swans,
and seals. Okay, so if you're just trying to use
a symbol that's, you know, the one that people usually
go to. The nature spirits would be undines never heard

(54:56):
of that, mermaids or water nymphs. Okay um, yeah, so
pretty interesting. The deities associated with the water elements would
be Aphrodite, Poseidon, Yamaya, Isis, and Danu. Okay I like
seem Poseidon in there. Poseidon makes sense to me. And

(55:17):
uh not finally because we still got the spirit or
the ether, but uh, next we are going to get
into fire. So fire dances with an intense in captivating energy,
embodying the qualities of passion, creativity, will, power, and transformation.
It is the spark of inspiration that ignites our desires,
fuels our ambitions, and drives us forward, just as fire
can both nurture and consume. The fire elements in witchcraft

(55:40):
represents the potent force of change, the catalyst for spiritual
growth and the embodiment of personal power. By harnessing the
essence of fire, which is can kindle the flames of
their intentions, manifest their desires, and embody the transformative nature
of this element. Fire magic encompasses themes of passion, will power, courage, purification,

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and transformation, and empowers witches to ignite their creativity, fuel
their ambitions, and embrace their personal power. By working with
the fire elements, practitioners can tap into their inner strength,
channel their intentions with fiery determination, and embark on a
path to self discovery and transformation. If you're looking to
incorporate fire into your witchcraft, you would use so to

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embrace the fire element in witchcraft, there are various practices
that witches can engage in to connect with its energy.
Working with candle magic, where the flame becomes a focal
point of intention. Setting and spell casting is a popular
way to incorporate fire. Lighting candles, yes, lighting candles in
colors associated with specific intentions, or using flame symbols and

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rituals can amplify the power of fire. Engaging in bonfire ceremonies,
fire scrying, or fire divination rituals can deepen the connection
with fire's transformative energy. Utilizing fire related tools such as
a cauldron, an anthem, or oh you would you would
have thought the antheme would be more of a wind tool.
But antheme is a fire one. How about that? Okay?

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All right?

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Or if you're creating, you know what I'm saying, If
you're creating and you're pointing your intentions at something with
your antheme, you know, accence.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, I mean it could be both. Actually, now I
think about it, you know. Anyway, So a cauldron, an antheme,
or burning herbs can enhance rituals focused on purification or
releasing negative energies. Additionally, practicing fire meditation visualizing oneself engulfed
in the warm glow of flames can ignite inner strength

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and passion. Man, that sounds awesome, right, become the flame.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Yeah, whenever you look at like a campfire or a bonfire,
that that just looks like energy itself just being expressed,
like it has its own energy almost.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
It's just going yeah, yeah, there's something to it that
just draws you, like a moth to a flame. That's it.
That's it. Fire, with its mesmerizing flames and passionate energy,
holds a prominent place within witchcraft by embracing the essence
of fire, which is can't awaken their creative spark, fuel
their desires, and embrace their personal power. Through practices such

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as candle magic, fire divination, or visualization techniques involving the
imagery of flames, we can ignite the transformative energy of
fire within our craft. So let us embrace the flame,
dance with intensity, and allow the elemental power of fire
to illuminate our path of passion, empowerment, and profound transformation.

(58:38):
Some fall, dude, just you know, it just fires me up.
So the correspondence is a fire. It's not shocking to
me that fire would be masculine, of course, you know
that one makes sense. The time would be noon, Obviously,
it's the hottest time of the day, right.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
The season would be summer, still, not a shocker. Direction
would be south. Not shocking there either, you know it's
always hotter down south. Oh, towards the equator anyway. The
planets would be the Sun and Mars. Let's see. The
tarot card would be the suit of wands. Oh, I

(59:17):
guess that does make sense if we were talking about
the anthime, right yeah, yeah. The colors are red, orange,
and gold. The magical tools would be the antheme, the
wand candles, cauldron or burning herbs. All makes sense. The
food and drink would be spicy foods, citrus fruits, herbal

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teas with stimulating properties. The fire animals would be a lion,
a phoenix, a snake, a salamander, or a fox. Okay,
I feel like fire is the easiest one to connect to. Yeah, oh,
it makes like the most out of sense. Oh yeah.
The nature spirits would be the salamander and the fire elementals.

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All right, See, salamanders are a real thing, but the
spiritual there is a spiritual salamander as well that is
like completely fireproof. And oh yeah, yeah, it's like it's
actually regarded a lot in the taro. Yeah, and what
was it? The fire elementals? Yeah, so the deities associated

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with the fire element would be Apollo, Brigid, Pele, Hesgia,
and Vulcan, a couple of those. I never heard of
it before, not gonna know, so sweet. All right, So
now we're going to get to the final one on
this page, which would be the spirit or the ether.
A right spirit is the ethereal essence that exists beyond

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the physical realm, encompassing the divine, the collective consciousness, and
the interwoven tapestry of all existence. It is the universal
life force that breathes energy into every being in every element.
Spirit in witchcraft represents the connection to the divine, intuition
and spiritual growth, and the transcendent nature of our existence.

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By embracing the essence of spirit, witches can tap into
the boundless wisdom of the universe, commune with higher beings,
and embark on a transformative journey of spiritual awakening. Spiritual
magic encompasses themes of intuition, divination, spiritual growth, and connection
to higher beings. It allows witches to tap into their
innate wisdom, connect with spirit guides and ancestors, and seek

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guidance from the divine. By working with spirits, practitioners can
deepen their understanding of the unseen, explore their spiritual gifts,
and experience profound transformations within their spiritual journeys. To embrace
the essence of spirit in witchcraft, one can engage in
practices that foster a deep connection to the spiritual realm.

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Meditation and mindfulness techniques allow witches to quiet their mind,
cultivate awareness, and open themselves to receiving spiritual guidance. Creating
sacred spaces such as alters or ritual areas dedicated dedicated
to connecting with Spirit can provide a focal point for
spiritual practices. Engaging in divination methods such as tarot reading, scrying,

(01:02:13):
or working with oracle cards can offer insights and messages
from the divine realm. Communing with spirit guides, ancestors, or
deity figures through prayer, meditation, or ritual invocations can deepen
the connection to Spirit. Additionally, engaging in rituals or ceremonies
that honor and celebrate the divine can enhance spiritual connections

(01:02:35):
and cultivate a sense of reference and sacredness in one's craft. Spirit,
the ethereal essence that binds us to the divine and
connects us to the higher realms, holds a profound place
within witchcraft. By embracing the essence of Spirit, which is
can tap into the limitless wisdom of the universe, commune
with higher beings, and embark on a transformative journey of

(01:02:56):
spiritual growth and alignment. Through practices such as meditation, divination,
and connecting with spirit guides, we can cultivate a deep
connection to Spirit and invite its divine guidance. And inspiration
into our craft. So let's open our hearts, attune our spirits,
and embrace the sacred dance with the ethereal realm of
spirit within our magical endeavors.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
This is the one that I believe, you know, if
you really think about it, man, it's the one thing
that seems to bind all of us. It's the one
thing that we all have understanding of, or at least
experience with. And what I was doing when you were
reading that was I was replacing the word spirit with consciousness. Yeah,
and it works in I'm saying, And that's the one

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thing that we all have in common, whether you like
it or not, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Yeah, I don't think that any of the other four
elements would even exist if it wasn't for the spirit personally, right. Yeah.
And you know these because everything they you know, what
they're finding, especially now within quantum visit, is that consciousness
precedes everything physical. So without consciousness, physical world doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Exist, right, because there would be no conscious being to
experience it, you know what I'm saying. Like, and even
consciousness itself.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
I could be wrong, but I don't think they are
fully aware of where the consciousness is within the human brain,
if it's even in the brain. But I mean, I
would imagine it is, but I don't think there's any
one area unless it's like your third eye, you know
what I mean. But I don't know, like where is consciousness,

(01:04:40):
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Well, And I wouldn't even say that it's just trapped
into the brain. I think that it goes beyond that.
And that's actually something that I've heard a lot of unseen. Right, Yeah,
I don't think that it's directly located, you know, in
the head, because first of all, it's not like it's
not like if somebody says, oh, my consciousness is look
in my left arm, and then you could just chop

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that arm off, they would still live. And it's like,
all right, well, I guess your consciousness is gone. Your
consciousness is still there. You can't chop off your head
and expect to even live to prove that consciousness is
still around, you know. But as said Guru and many
others have stated, especially whenever it's in regard to you know,
the whole chakra system, like your consciousness exists in all

(01:05:25):
of the different energy centers essentially that you can put
all of your all of your thought, and all of
your focus into each individual one of the energy energy
centers or the chakras or whatever you want to look
at it, that every single one of them is it's
all connecting back up and it feels like it's all

(01:05:46):
operating in the brain. You know. But and I've heard
people say this before, and I totally believe it, you know,
just they say that your your gut is actually your
second brain, right, I believe it's actually your first, because
if you really think about it, dude, try going up,

(01:06:07):
especially whenever we podcast m We've found out the hard
way several times that the worst thing that you can
possibly do is eat a huge meal before you get
behind the microphone, right, I mean, you are totally paralyzed.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
I'm very very aware of. Like when we are going
to record that night, I'm like, okay, let me just
eat something small. Yeah, you know what I mean, because
the last thing you want to be is bogged down
and you're stumbling over your words, or you can't think
of a word that you would like to say rather
than another word that doesn't fully express what you're trying
to say.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
And it's like, yeah, dude, it's that's real, right, And
if you think about it, like I don't know, I
mean I think a hell of a lot better on
an empty stomach, like especially like in the morning, like
up until you eat. You know, your brain, yeah once
you maybe you got to get a cup of coffee
and you whatever your morning ritual is, right, But like
my brain works a thousand times better before I eat

(01:07:00):
lunch mm hmm, every single time. And that's why I
think that like fasting is so important, dude, and why
I really want to start incorporating that, like at least
one day a week of fasting, Like I think that
that is that is like monumental and something that we
should be.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
But then we can also say not to not to
uh And I didn't mean to cut you off, not
to play Devil's advocate too hard here, but like if
you're not eating right and you go a full day
without eating, well, now you go into some sort of
survival mode, you know what I mean. Your body requires food,
it thinks it might not get another meal, and so

(01:07:37):
maybe there's something going on within your brain that kicks
into like a an overdrive of some sort in order
to just and that's probably why you're able to smell
food from much farther away. You go into this hyper
survival mode. And so that's why your brain is going
to be sharper because it has to be because it
it there. There's no room for error here, and you

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need to eat may to find your next meal.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
That makes the most sense. Yeah, I'm happy he brought
that up. Yeah, it's interesting about how that works. And
I think that you know, look, if your body doesn't
have to work on just constantly breaking down whatever you
ate for the day, then you are able to tap
into your your body's natural energy because now it's not
being expounded upon just breaking down whatever you ate. Now

(01:08:24):
you can tap into that energy that isn't you know
working double time? Yep, that you can just tap into
that main focus. And I think that that's why every
every single religious practice and spiritual practice, every single one
of them. There is not a single spiritual practice that
doesn't bring up fasting.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Yeah, and you know why they do that, right, you
know what the reason is for fasting?

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Oh, to get closer to God, that's right. Yeah. Isn't
that interesting?

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
I mean it makes the most amount of sense. And
like you hear about certain people do they'll go on
a forty day fast, you know, forty days. You wouldn't
even think how can one even exist that way? Whenever,
Literally in the Bible, they get lost in the desert
for forty days and all they get to eat during
that entire time is manna from God, which is it's

(01:09:12):
not too much, it's not too little, it's just right.
It's like fucking porridge. Right, it's not even real food
that they're consuming. It's like food for thought, is what
it really is. And seal food. Yeah, honestly, it's kind
of like ethereal food in that sense. And if you
think about it, like what was it? Kevin James said
he went on a forty one and a half day fast,

(01:09:33):
which is like and he lost like over one hundred
pounds in forty one days.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
And of course, if you're doing a forty day fast,
if you're drinking like salt water, you're drinking you're doing
it the right way. Imagine just water. That's probably dangerous.
But anyway, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Well, yeah, the electrolytes are there to like help you
with you know, it helps with like mental clarity, and
it's given your body the bare minimum mineral and nutrient
that it needs to just survive, you know, and you're
just living off of that. And honestly, I'm really thinking
about trying to see what limits I can push. Are

(01:10:09):
you gonna go for it? I mean, I got a
couple LB's and I need to shed anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
It might take you a couple of tries, dude, but
I think you can do it if you really set
your mind to it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Dude, I think you could do it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
But I really wanted to get back to that whole
aspect of getting yourself closer to God, right, and people
believe that, and we've even experienced I mean, we did
what two and a half days one time just to
see if we could do it, which felt like it
did you know? But I would I would say that
I felt lighter, and not just in a physically lighter

(01:10:43):
like maybe I lost weight, I think, I'm I'm sure
I did, you know, in the two and a half
days of not eating, but just lighter in a different sense.
And I also felt like that hyper focus and I
imagine if I was to have meditated for an hour,
I definitely of access some sort of genius, you know

(01:11:03):
what I mean, or higher self or whatever that is. God,
if you want to call it that, you know what
I'm saying, And so that there's definitely something to that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
I'll tell you what, there's something really magical to fasting
as well. Not to even stick on that, but like
as far as fasting goes, your body naturally knows to
start healing itself whenever you're not eating, which is a
crazy thing that it just knows to do. And maybe
it's because it doesn't have to focus on breaking down

(01:11:32):
all the foods and you know, distributing all the different
nutrients to all the different parts of your body and
your bloodstream and all that shit, right, But if you
think about it, so for example, this past weekend, I
was sick as a dog. I got whatever my son had,
and he was puking and he had the runs, and
oh man, I don't wish that upon anybody, but I

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woke up in the middle of the night and I
was going through the whole thing, and and I thought
it was something that I ate, right, I didn't even
think that it was because of him for whatever reason.
But of course, you know, with a baby, you're kissing
them all the time, you're hugging them all the time,
like it's impossible to not smooch a baby, you know,
It's just they got the squishiest little cheeks. You just
need to get your lips on. Oh yeah. And so

(01:12:15):
I went to Louisiana this past weekend and I got super,
super sick, and I thought it was the food. Well,
that entire next day, you know, I went to sleep
that night, that entire next day, I didn't eat it all,
and amazingly, I started just feeling so much better. I
wasn't even thinking about food, honestly, like the thought of
food made me want to throw up again, you know, right,

(01:12:38):
And so I went the entire day without eating anything,
and even today I've only eaten once and so and
I feel like my body is regenerating.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
You needed that, you know, and I would I would
even say, dude, that your body is constantly healing itself.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
But when we eat like shit and we do what
we do where it's almost like we're continuously breaking it
down at the same time, and so you just feel
like you're in that little rut of kind of feeling
like shit. But once you do fast, now your body's
able to heal on such an an even higher level.
You know that you literally feel it. You feel better, you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Yeah, there's no doubt about it. So anyway, that's all
about trying to get closer to God, get closer to
spirit whatever it is, right, but like is the It
is the unseeable known thing that almost everybody can agree upon,
you know, whether you call it synchronicities, whether you call
it just magical happenings or that thing or whatever it

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is that you feel like you can get in touch
with that you can't see. We've all experienced it in
one former fashion, whether you want to call it dreams
or terror, literally anything however you feel like you get there,
We've all felt it in one form of fashion. And
so yeah, why not try and tap into it? And
so if you're trying to look for the correspondences of spirit,

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the gender is actually neutral or transcendent. Makes sense? Makes sense? Yep?
The time is it's beyond time, it's eternal, makes sense, right.
The seasons would be all seasons. The direction would be
either the center or beyond directions because it's everywhere. What

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else the zodiac would be all signs or none the
major Okay, the tarot cards. Actually, interestingly enough, it would
be the entire major arcana, particularly particularly the Full, which
represents the journey of the soul. Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Wow, that's funny because I was going to guess that
because it seemed like the one that it shouldn't be,
you know what I mean, Like, I just went for that.
But dude, that's really a fucking fascinating Actually.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Yeah, I mean, if you really think about it, everybody's
the fool. Everybody has a starting point. Not everybody always
ends up at their at their final destination. You know,
some people will get their lives cut short for whatever reason,
you know, but everybody has a start, and so it
would make sense that it would be the Full because
it's the start of the journey.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Yep, it's like that one song, Dude. Everybody plays the
fool dude. Yes sometimes, oh yes, yes exactly. They know
they know what was up there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
So the magical tools would be meditation tools, prayer beads,
ritual symbols representing the divine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
The food and drink would be symbolic offerings sacred water
or elixirs and spiritual teas. Makes sense if you really
think about it. Every time somebody is giving an offering,
whether you say it's for this deity or that deity.
What if you're just offering it up to spirit, bro,
you know, like that's really what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
I think so that's what towards But that's just me. No,
I like to see it. Yeah, yeah, I mean color
however you want.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
M the this. The spirit animal of the spirit would
be winged creatures such as birds, butterflies, or dragonflies. Interesting,
very similar to the air in that sense, which it
would make sense that aaron, ether and spirit would all
be kind of closely connected. The nature spirits would be angels, archangels,

(01:16:37):
ascended masters, and spirit guides. Mm hmmm. Checks out. The
deities associated with spirit would be God, Goddess, source all
that is the divine in various forms and cultures.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Mm.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Okay, you know. The plants with spiritual with spirit magical
properties would be sacred plants used for spiritual purposes and
various traditions such as sacred herbs, flowers, and trees. I
like it all right, So yeah, that's pretty much what

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we got on that website, which I thought was pretty
damn interesting. It's a good place to start. So now
we're gonna get crazy deep. Okay, we are going to
bridge it all together even deeper. It's just gonna get awesome.
So we're gonna get it first. We're gonna start with
the elemental map. So for the Greeks, the universe was

(01:17:37):
made of four basic elements, the ether was the fifth.
In India, the same pattern appears. Agne as fire, APAs
was water, value was air, and prith v was earth,
and Akasha would be ether. Makes sense, how about right?
Native traditions around the world carried similar models, from the

(01:18:00):
four winds to the Sacred Directions. Modern science shows us
that matter and energy are more are more complex than
four categories. But what the ancients were really describing were processes,
archetypes and forces. Fire as transformation, water as continuity, air
as breath, and earth as structure, and ether as connection.

(01:18:23):
So the elemental map is not a literal chemistry set.
It's a way of seeing the patterns behind reality, a
bridge between inner worlds and outer worlds. Dude, that's my jam,
that's my jam. Yeah. Yeah, we just need a little
peanut butter to mix with that. That's it. That's it.
Just a little bit. So firstly, to tap in a

(01:18:46):
little bit more. This is I'm gonna tell you dude,
this is gonna get so deep. It's awesome. U. Whenever
I first was doing this research, I was like, oh
my god, how have we not known this? But I
feel like that with every episode to be on the show,
so soh the science would have you looking at it
like this. Fire is combustion electrons that are falling and

(01:19:07):
releasing photons as light and heat. When the flame ends,
the energy doesn't vanish, heat diffuses, light races outward forever,
and fire is energy moving form to form. So first
of all, the flame isn't a thing. It's a process.
So when you light a match, it seems like a

(01:19:28):
flame appears out of nowhere, but what's really happening is
a chemical reaction. The fuel, whether it be wax or wood,
combines with oxygen, releasing stored chemical energy as heat and light.
The flame is not a substance that comes into being,
it's the visible process of energy transfer. So once the

(01:19:50):
fuel is gone, the process ends. So it looks like
the flame has been destroyed, but the energy has simply changed.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Form as probably heat going outward. You know that's really cool,
I said, The light goes on forever, you know what
I mean, Like throughout the universe. Like if you could
zoom in on where that where that was, that match
was lit from two hundred thousand light years away, two

(01:20:18):
hundred thousand light years from now, somebody could see the
light from that match being lit. Yeah, if you believe
in space, I know that you're like on the fence
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
But uh, I mean, we've just been lied to a
lot about space. It's not that I don't believe in it.
It's just that they feed us a lot of shit,
you know. But that being said, yeah, it is pretty interesting.
And something that's actually a little bit more interesting too,
is that if you were to take your telescope, and
let's say you could take a telescope that was like
super super super zoom in right, and you can zoom

(01:20:51):
in on I don't know, a planet that is a
thousand light years away, right. The the image that you'd
be seeing through your telescope is not of what is
happening right now. You would be seeing imagery of what happened,
the distance of however that light took to get to

(01:21:12):
your eye.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
You're staring into the past, yes, basically, which is awesome.
And one thing that I thought about and I never
hear anybody say it, because maybe it's the stupidest thing
anybody's ever said. But if you're looking at a planet
one hundred thousand years ago, the planet that you're seeing
isn't even right there anymore, is it? Wouldn't it not
be in a different place in the sky. Yeah, at
the time that you were actually looking that direction, Dude,

(01:21:34):
you're looking into the past exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Yeah, it's it's a fucking time machine.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
Dude, Like transcends time, dude. Which I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
The main reason why I wanted to whenever I first
started looking into this was because I was trying to
think because I know that you know, look, we're no
different than what nature is, right, And I feel like
there's never a lie in nature. That's something that I
learned from Croachable seven shout out. But he goes, Look,
if you're ever trying to find an answer, it's always
almost every single time found in nature in one facet form.

(01:22:10):
And if I can find if we can figure out
what what are the substances and the materials and the
realities and the chemical reactions and everything involving what each
one of these elements are made of, maybe it will
point toward where are we going after death? Where were
we before we came here? Right? Because and what I

(01:22:32):
mean by we, I mean by the physical body. Maybe
we can attach the spirit to that as well, because
we are getting to the ether and the spirit as well.
But I like to believe that, yes, you have flame,
and you know earth and fire and water and all
these things, right, But like each one of them has
a spirit attached to them, right. So it's not that

(01:22:55):
the flame is just a flame that doesn't have any spirit.
It's that there is also a spirit to the flame.
And this is something that like within alchemy they know this, right,
Every single thing has a spirit attached to it. And
this is like if you look into We've talked a
little bit about animism before, right, like how every single
thing that you see has some kind of spirit. Might

(01:23:18):
be a lower spirit, might be a higher spirit. It
is some kind It has some kind of consciousness attached
to it, yeap. Whether it be lower, higher doesn't matter,
but there is something there if you can see it,
it has some form of consciousness. If we are to
look at the natural elements as if we are made
up of all of them, which we kind of are.

(01:23:40):
If you really think about it, like, that's what we're
made up of, the elements. There's like every single element
that is out there, it has we have to be
made of it. And so if we can get to
know what each one of the individuals in each one
of the individual elements are made of and understand its
processes and understand its true nature, then maybe we can

(01:24:03):
start to understand our true nature as a background to it. Right.
And so whenever you see how the fire goes about,
how once the fuel about, how once the fuel is
gone and the process ends, it looks like it has
been destroyed. But that's not true. It's just that the
energy has changed form. That was the key words there. Yep,

(01:24:26):
the flame, the flame has been dispersed, but the energy
that was creating that flame in the first place is
still there. You just can't see it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
The expression of the flame is is done right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Yes, right. So to dive into this a little bit
more so, the energy transformations in fire. So it has
a stored energy. So the wood or wax holds the
chemical potential energy from sunlight captured by plants long ago.
Mm hmm. The release is is that whenever it burns,
this potential is converted into heat, light, and and new

(01:25:00):
chemical compounds such as carbon dioxide, water, vapor, and ash,
and then the dissipation of it, so the heat radiates
into the air, the light disperses into space, and gases
become part of the atmosphere. So nothing disappears. It just
transforms into less visible states. The flame you see in

(01:25:21):
the middle act of this transformation. So, dude, if that
is not a perfect representation of maybe what even the
spirit does, yep, I'm pretty interesting. I love it. So
why it looks okay? So why it looks like it

(01:25:42):
was created and destroyed but it never actually was, right,
So to our eyes, the flame looks like a discrete
thing that exits or I'm sorry that exists. It flickers
and then it dies. But it's much more like a
wave on the ocean. You see a a shape rise up,
a crest, and a vanish but the water itself never disappeared.

(01:26:06):
The flame is a pattern of energy transfer, not a
permanent object. So whenever you look at it like it is,
you know, just a wave in that sense, it actually
brings it a little bit more into context.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Yeah, it's just the expression of the ocean and the
ocean is consciousness or spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
You know. Yeah, it's not like that wave just like
dipped out of the ocean whenever, you know, dissipated.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
It's still there. Everything that was the wave is still
all there exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
So this ties back into the water and soul idea.
So the flame is like a human life. It appears
when conditions are right with fuel, oxygen and the spark.
It dances uniquely while it lasts, and then it goes out,
but its energy disperses into the environment. So the flame's
heat becomes part of the air, Its light races off

(01:26:59):
into the universe forever. It's ash becomes earth again, in
the same way consciousness or spirit might not end. It
just disperses or transforms into other states that we don't
always perceive. Damn beautiful love it. So yeah, so the
flame as the spirit. Now, okay, so a flame doesn't

(01:27:22):
vanish when it goes out. The light it gave off
still travels through the cosmos. The heat warms the air,
and the smoke and ash return to the earth. The
flame's form disappears, but its essence, the energy it released,
keeps rippling outward. Likewise, when a person dies, the physical
body is the fuel that stops burning, but the spirit,
like the flame, isn't destroyed. It shifts into new states

(01:27:46):
that we can't always perceive. The subtle energy fields, the vibrations,
or what the mystics call the asterisk or the astral
or the etheric body m checks out to me. So
just as most water keeps circulating through Earth's oceans and skies,
most spirits may remain within the cycle of reincarnation. They

(01:28:09):
change forms, moving from one body to another, carrying traces
of memory and essence, like the embers carried on the wind.
So our flame, our flame personally dims in one place,
put ignites in another. Nothing truly ever vanishes. It just
takes new shape and just like some Oh God, this

(01:28:32):
is going to get so deep, dude. All right, so
you know, I don't want to read that one yet
because we're going to go back to that in a second.
So all right, The flame produces da da da. The
flame produces light. So when something burns, atoms in the

(01:28:52):
fuel are excited by the heat. Electrons jump up to
higher energy levels then fall back down, releasing energy as
photons or particles of light. That's what you see as
the glow of the flame, right, yep. So then let's
get into this. Light travels at one hundred and eighty

(01:29:13):
six thousand miles per second.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
That's all per second, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
That is crazy. It's so once a dude, it's it's hommon.
So once a photon is released, it doesn't hang around
the flame. It travels outward at the speed of light
in all directions. So every flicker of a flame is
constantly sending out photons, racing away into the into the

(01:29:39):
surrounding space forever forever.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
It makes no fucking sense.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Yeah, I'll think about that again. That's crazy, dude. Every
time think about every time you've ever like lit a
lighter or a match or you had.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
A bonfire still traveling right now, it's still wow because
of how fast was again.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
One hundred and eighty six thousand miles per second. Wow,
that's pretty Uh, that's that's the speed of light, literally,
is what it is exactly. Yeah yeah, So all right,
so the chemical reactions stop once the flame goes out, right,
so no more photons are being produced, but all the

(01:30:25):
light that was emitted continues traveling outward forever unless it's
absorbed by matter. So some get some of the light
will get absorbed by walls or air or even your eyes,
but much of it streams into the night sky, joining
the endless ocean of starlight. How about your eyes absorb it?

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Yeah, yees, so right. I don't know where does it go.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
It's just crazy that it's a thing that goes somewhere
in the first place.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
Of course, of course, it travels as information now you know.
It goes into your eye and your brain processes it
as an image of something you know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
So this means that every flame, a candle, a campfire,
even your lighter literally sends, literally sends its light into
the universe. If you lit a candle in the desert tonight,
its photons would eventually travel billions of miles, some continuing
until the end of time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
Hitting another earth like planet, giving it energy for another
plant to produce more fruit or whatever. Inevitably. Yeah, dude, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
So the flame's light is like our actions are words
and spirit radiating outward. It's touching others and continuing long
after our quote unquote flame has gone out. Just as
the photons from a single candle may one day reach
another star system, the spirit's quote unquote light may ripple

(01:31:58):
into dimensions are beyond our comprehension. Oh is that all
the God? I love learning about this stuff. It's so
much fun. So yes, when a flame goes out the
photon it already are the photons that it already emitted.
Don't vanish. They keep traveling through space, carrying the memory
of the flame outward into the cosmos. The ancient mystics

(01:32:22):
must have known this. This must be why they worked
so well with the elements. So why they worked with
the elements? All right, So now we're going to start
to get into a little bit deeper. So why the
mystics would have worked with the elements. So fire wasn't
just warmth, It was transformation. It stood for the soul, spark,

(01:32:43):
the living light that continues after death. Mystics saw the
flames dance, it knew and knew that its symbolized spirit
itself being eternal. Then that makes so much damn sense.
And water wasn't just to drink. It was the eternal
cycle of rebirth, renewal, and the soul flowing from one

(01:33:05):
form to another without end. All right, but.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Our okay, so real quick, Our consciousness or our spirit
is in the realm of the unseen so it doesn't
necessarily if we are being scientific about it, I don't
think it necessarily puts out any kind of a photon,
you know what I'm saying. And so what are we
saying as far as the consciousness that is us being eternal?

(01:33:31):
You know, because I can understand our physical body having
kinetic energy basically just stored energy that the bugs and
everything else the earth will reconsume and process.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
That energy is food.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
And then they will go and make babies, and then
you know what I mean, that energy will keep going
and going and forever, you know. But as far as
the consciousness that is me, if there is a me,
if everything is all one, this is something I've been
thinking about today. So it's really fascinating that this comes up.
But if we are all one, then and then we

(01:34:05):
get into the conversation of trying to figure out who
the true me is, then you know what I'm saying, Like,
how what is a true me?

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
If I'm If we're all the same thing, you know,
we're just just different aspects of that same thing. I
like to I almost like to look at it like this.
So my computer has I think one gigabyte of solid
state memory, right, which is just like it's not like uh,
saving it to the cloud, it's just to the to

(01:34:35):
the machine itself. Right, that's your solid state. So it
has one gigabyte. Let's just say that that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
I actually don't even know, but let's just say that
as one gigabyte.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
And over the course of years, I'm going to download
and delete so many fucking things. But for a period
of time, you know, if I save this episode, for example,
it will be saved on my computer for a short
period of time until it's uploaded to everywhere it gets
uploaded to. But for that period of time, it is

(01:35:05):
uploaded to the solid state of memory that I have
on my computer. Therefore, my computer could almost be represented
as this episode, right, Okay, And after a while, I'm
going to let it go. Now, whenever I deleted off
my computer, it is still existing on the internet forever,
m right, right. It just it just allows my computer

(01:35:30):
to almost change form to allow us to do more episodes. Right,
You see what I'm saying in that sense.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
And this is the thing that I was like kind
of pondering, you know, as far as like consciousness is concerned.
You know, I would like to think and I think
everybody would like to think that there is some sort
of eternal, h eternal miss to this whole thing, Like
I will keep going and I will eventually be something
else where I will continue to experience, right, and that

(01:36:00):
that would be just the most preferable thing, because us
as humans, we can't fathom not existing because now we exist,
you know. And so is it just consciousness itself that continues,
you know what I'm saying, since we.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
Are all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
You know, that doesn't mean that me personally, that I'm
actually going to experience that, you know what I'm saying.
It's just consciousness itself, the thing that underlies everybody, the
thing that gives us all awareness and the ability to
even examine it and even talk about it. You know,
that's the thing that continues. But I might not necessarily

(01:36:44):
experience it, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Well, I think you will, though, like shut off everything
that you are. And this is something that like you
think about, Like the fuck? What do they call the monks? Right? Like,
their entire goal of why they literally dedicate their entire
lives to meditation, is to live life without attachments, because

(01:37:08):
the attachments almost pull you away from what you actually
are right, So there is a center of what you
actually are, and every single one of your attachments is
not It's not like pulling you away from what you
actually are in a bad way. It's just showing you
another aspect of this reality. But if you didn't have any,

(01:37:28):
that's not you. Yeah, But whenever you think about what
you are, they're simply just things that you like doing
or there it's things that you have to do. Right.
So like, uh, if you don't have any if you
didn't have any attachments, you wouldn't have a wife, you
wouldn't have any kids, you wouldn't have a job, you
wouldn't have any anything that you'd be really interested in.

(01:37:48):
And what you would be left with if you didn't
have all those things, you would just be left with
all that is left, which is call it God, call
it source, call it consciousness. It's that underlying thing that
you don't need all of those things to survive. You
can survive without a wife, you can survive without kids,
you can survive without interests, you know what I mean.

(01:38:11):
You can survive without fucking sixty thousand thoughts in a day.
You can actually, you as a human body, can survive
without all of that. So all of those things are
seen as attachments in that sense. And so but without
those attachments, you just are the I am right, and
so you still exist because that's actually what you are

(01:38:32):
at your core. You see what I'm saying, right, it's
just the I mean, I know you know this. I
guess I'm kind of just working through it in my
own mind. No, sure, sure, And so that's kind of
because I think about the shit all the time, dude,
and I'm trying to, like, you know, really break it
down in my own sense.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
And no, for sure, I was just thinking about it
like recently, and you know, I don't remember thinking about
my own mortality since like the beginning stages of COVID,
you know, like that's the first time I feel like
I've really started to contemplate the the finiteness of myself,

(01:39:11):
Like I'm not gonna be here forever, Like I'm not
going to get to experience all of these things forever.
There's going to be a time where I will have
to just become I don't know, I guess, unaware of everything,
you know. And I think that that's the most scary
part of even thinking about that is because it's I

(01:39:33):
feel like that would be scary to feel like, oh,
I'm not going to be aware of anything anymore, Like
I'm just not going to exist anymore. And I don't know,
I just maybe think about that a little bit lately.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
Maybe it's not so much that you're you're not going
to be aware of anything anymore. Maybe it's that you're
going to be so aware that your identification and understanding
of awareness as it is is so minute compared to
the all encompassing that is awareness.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
Right, you know what I'm saying, Well, that's why prefast, preface, prefast,
what's the word I'm looking for, prefast, prefast that with
being a human the way that I think about existing
now as opposed to what is to come later, you
know what I mean, what will we experience? And if
I am purely just the I am, then I am
at that point consciousness itself.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
You know what I mean. And so at that point
it wasn't hard to fathom. I would imagine that a
monk goes through the death process with a lot of ease.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
Oh, I'm sure you know what I'm saying, like willingly,
like here we go, you know, just talking, zooms zooms
off you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
That's like, dude, is another fucking Tuesday, I would think
from you know what I'm saying, Like, it's not really
it's another day of being aware of everything, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
And you know it's funny because we we go into
so much much of this stuff, you know, as far
as like the near death experiences, and I've was pretty
sure I got myself to the point of like I'm
not I'm not afraid of death, you know what I mean.
But I think no matter what or when that time comes, dude,
we're all going to be like a little bit fucking
scared of our minds, out of our minds.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know. It takes just
something I've been thinking about recently.

Speaker 3 (01:41:23):
Well, I feel like it's something that everybody, well obviously
everybody experiences, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
I think we're always worried about like what if I'm wrong,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like we can sit
here and like be so sure that, yeah, there's nothing
to worry about with death. And you know, we have
numerous examples as to why we shouldn't be worried about death,
whether it is our own experiences or hearing about other

(01:41:49):
people's experiences or looking into the science or looking into
you know, whatever it is, Right, there's always that part
of you that's like, man, what if I just don't
know enough to be that comfortable with absolutely thinking that
I know it all?

Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
And I would say that that's the way we should
be thinking, because there's no way we can even fathom.
I think, you know, when we talk about the people
that have the near death experiences, those are people that
go to a place and come back. We never hear
from the people that they'll make it back, you know,
so like that's the actual they made it to the
quote unquote finish line, you know, and so who knows

(01:42:28):
what they experienced well and just never get to tell
the story.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
And just like this was saying, you know, specifically about
the fire itself, is that you know, that will keep
going unless it is absorbed by matter. And what are
we if not light that has been absorbed by matter
if you really think about it. Yeah, Yeah, I don't know, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
I just it's deep, you know, some deep shit, Yeah,
because I think if nothing else, I know, consciousness connects us.
But that's another thing, is the the inevitable death. And
it's the most natural one of the most natural things,
being born and dying and we all get to experience that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
And how everybody isn't fucking losing their shit about.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
That, and it's just crazy and they're buying it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
They're not buying it. They're just pretending, Like I don't
just pretend like they know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
I'm not gonna sit here and say I know, because
I don't think it's anything we can even imagine, you know,
as far as we know, dude, it's just like all
the years before we were born, because we don't know
anything about that, Like we didn't experience that either, because
there was nothing for us to experience.

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
I don't know, you know what I mean, I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
maybe I'm crazy. I mean, you're definitely crazy. But I
think that's a good thing, you know, all right, So yeah,
we're on the same page. Oh, we definitely are. Like,
and don't let me like act like I know it all,
because I really don't. It's just that I obsess about this,

(01:44:02):
like it is. Literally all I think about is our
own mortality, what it means to be alive. Where the
fuck did we come from? Where are we going? What
are the things that we can do in this lifetime
to make it more awesome, you know what I mean.
And if we can find out what we're able to do,
maybe would maybe we would be a lot less worried

(01:44:23):
about life after death because we would know that we
can transcend this physical reality through all these different kind
of magical things. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
And also you know, I think that we owe it
to ourselves to not be sitting here in fear of
that inevitable event, right, I.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
Mean, ultimately, fear is just a vibration anyway, and it's
if you think about it, and you know, all the
different emotions are all just on the same pole. And
so you can strike that cord of fear and it's
still connected to the fear of happypiness and you know, uh,
genuine and whatever, right like all the good ones. It's

(01:45:07):
all attached to the same chord. It's just a lower
fucking striking of the same of that chord. But you
can strike that thing a little bit higher and you're
going to feel a lot better. It's just different ways
of being able to look at it. So whether you
whenever you die and you're in that fearful state, you
can you can you can choose to experience that you know,
but you can also choose to experience it in a

(01:45:29):
like awesome way. And I think that that is just.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
The beauty of polarity in general, you know, oh exactly,
And I think that's the whole point of us being
here anyways, you know what I mean for nothing else.
That's that's what this world is, you know, it's the experienity,
and so it's the experience it's and so why waste
your time or or put yourself in that lower vibration
when that's not the point man, you know. But that's

(01:45:53):
why I think it's important we look into all of
these things and cover all of the different ways of
thinking of you know, different lenses to look through, because
ultimately that's what you got. You cut your lens that
you look through, and you shape everything around how you're
looking at everything.

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
And so yeah, that's it, dude. Yeah, it's the beauty
of it. And it's so mysterious, yeap, which is why
they call it the mysteries, you know, that's it, but
sometimes you need the mystics to understand the mysteries. That's it.
We're trying, man, we're trying. We're working our way there,
so we talked about fire and water. Now as far

(01:46:28):
as air, you know why they would have worked with
the elements. Air represented the breath of life, the invisible
but essential current that links all beings inhaling and exceling,
mirrored the cosmic pulse. Oh interesting, And then Earth was stability,
the vessel, the body that holds the spirit. It also

(01:46:49):
returns everything to itself. Whenever I said and that what
was a couple of episodes ago that whenever you die,
you just go back to your cellf you know, like
you go back to you Yeah. Yeah, And so I
think that whenever you know, you worry about like, well
what about me? Where am I going? And you know, like,

(01:47:09):
am I just going to go back and be absorbed
by the universal consciousness? Yes, but it's not. It's not
like a distant stranger like it is you. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
It's right, and the means in which you have to
experience it are way unlike what you have.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
To experience this. And so the whole idea of what
it could be, or your your your.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Five senses, all of that is multiplied by a billion,
you know, I'm sure. And so any fears or any
you know of the mystery or just the unknown of
it all. It probably doesn't even exist, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
Yeah, yeah at that point the yeah, So returning it
also returns everything to itself. Talking about the Earth, it
reminds us of cycles and grounding the earth does.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
Elemental magic as a hidden science. So mystics, alchemists, and
shamans worked with the elements because they recognized them as
more than physical substances. They were archetypes of consciousness, mirrors
of the soul's journey. So fires showed them that energy
never dies. Water showed them the continuity of form through change,

(01:48:23):
Air showed them the invisible currents of spirits, and earth
showed them the eternal vessel of manifestation. Dude, it meaning
you're always going to have some kind of form, right right,
So when they invoked the elements in ritual or magic,
they always they were aligning their own consciousnesses with these

(01:48:46):
eternal truths. So even if they didn't describe photons or molecules,
they felt that fire's light traveled into the unseen, that
water returned in new forms, that breath connected them to
the cosmos. The elements were doorways. They weren't just tools
for survival they were sacred teachers. So the ancient mystics

(01:49:08):
worked so well with the elements because they understood that
the elements were living metaphors for spirit, energy and the
eternal cycle of consciousness. Fucking Mike, drop on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
Awesome, dude, that's the show. Yeah, we're done, that's it. No,
they're still a little bit more actually, Okay. So within mysticism,
fire has always been transformation. The ancient saw that nothing
fed to the flame is truly destroyed. It is changed,
carried into new forms. That's why fire was sacred, why

(01:49:42):
it was the symbol of will, sacrifice, and purification. Within magic,
a candle flame is more than ambience or ambiance, should
I say, it's a tool. You can whisper fears into
it and see them transmuted into light. You can also
focus will in You can focus will into it and

(01:50:04):
know that it will ripple into the unseen. Fire shows
us magic in real time. Mmm.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
I believe it, dude, I've experienced it. Yeah, that can imagine.
It really sets it up, dude. So as far as
water goes, now, we're going to get into the craziness
of water, all right, dude, I'm not gonna lie This
is really where it started, because I was really trying
to understand, you know, just the whole symbolism of water
in general, as I was talking about with the Holy

(01:50:32):
Water and the baptism and you know, we come from water,
and you know, like I wanted to understand a little
bit more. So, dude, this is about a trip you
the fuck out. So the water cycle keeps Earth's water recycling.
So for billions of years, Earth has been cycling water
through oceans, atmospheres, rivers, glaciers, and underground reservoirs. Most of

(01:50:56):
this water is the same water that has always been here.
The glass of water that you drink today may contain
molecules once swallowed by a dinosaur, makes sense, right, But
the total amount has changed over time. So while the
water cycle itself recycles what's already here, the total amount
of water on Earth has not been fixed perfectly since

(01:51:20):
the formation of Earth. So this is where it gets
kind of strange. So some of the water has been
lost to space. So some water, especially in the early Earth,
was broken apart by solar radiation. The hydrogen atoms, being
very light, escaped into space, and Mars likely lost most

(01:51:43):
of its water this way. And Earth has lost some
but not all so and then conversely water gained. There
has been some water that has been gained from space,
so comets, asteroids, and icy body's delivered additional water, especially
during the late heavy bombardment period about four billion years ago.

(01:52:07):
This likely contributed a significant portion of Earth's current oceans.
Interesting from four billion years ago, dude, and it's been
recycled ever since. Yeah, I've heard that, actually that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
That water like you can drink some water and then
eventually someone down the line will be drinking that same water.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
It's a trip. Yeah, I mean you probably have the
same glass of water as a blinking you know, oh shit,
I mean at least by somebody in his family.

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
At least a few molecules anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
So the net balance all right. So today Earth still
loses a bit of hydrogen and water to space every year,
but compared to the vast volume of Earth's oceans, it's
almost a negligible amount. Similarly, impacts from water rich asteroids
or comets are now extremely rare, so we're not gaining
much new water either. So the total amount of water

(01:53:00):
has fluctuated across deep time. We've gained some from space
and lost some to space, but for the last few
billion years it's been relatively stable, all right, so good
to know. Yeah, yeah, And I'm going somewhere with this,
all right. So there's also a hidden reservoir water stored
in minerals deep within Earth's mantle. Some scientists believe that

(01:53:23):
there could be as much or more water locked away
inside the Earth as in all the surface oceans combined.
Underneath the ground. This is where you get like water
witching and you know, with that kind of stuff. So
this water can cycle up through volcanic activity and subduction.

(01:53:43):
So it adds another layer of mystery to the total
water question. Water shifts phases endlessly, whether it be liquid, vapor,
or ice, but it remains h two ozer. It cycles
through oceans, clouds, rivers, and bodies. It never dies, only transforms.
Its hydrogen bonds make it the most mystical molecule in science.

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So if you think about water, it's the most mystical
of all of the elements. It never really dies, It
only transforms. Ice becomes liquid, liquid becomes vapor, vapor becomes
the cloud, the cloud becomes rain. Yet it's always still water.
The essence never disappears, just the form of it. So
now put that side by side with the soul or

(01:54:26):
the spirit. Our physical bodies are just like one state
of being. But when they melt, in quotes death, the essence,
the consciousness, the spirit doesn't vanish, it transitions into another form.
Just like vapor is invisible but still water. The spirit
might continue beyond the physical, unseen yet present. Mystics, alchemists,

(01:54:50):
and even dow as philosophers often used water as a
metaphor for the soul. So the Dow calls water the
perfect image of the dow because it is adaptable, flowing
yet eternal. Alchemy treated water as the prima materia, the
fundamental essence that transforms but never ceases. And even in Christianity,

(01:55:14):
baptism symbolizes transformation through water, death of the old self,
of the old self, rebirth into spirit. So your intuition
maps onto a deep symbolic truth. Water's cycle mirrors the
soul's journey. The human quote unquote, form is like ice, solid, temporary, fragile.
Death is the melting Spirit is the vapor that rises

(01:55:38):
into the new realms, and eventually it condenses again, perhaps reincarnation,
perhaps manifestation into another world. In this way, water is
almost the panpsychist proof of immortality. By the way, we're
gonna do a whole episode on panpsychism. It was something
that we've been planning for a little while. Panpsychism is

(01:56:00):
the idea of So we talk about pantheism, right that
like that we are all essentially just one giant being.
Panpsychism takes it a step farther and says that actually
we're all just one mind, that there's nothing even beyond that.
All is yes, which actually makes a little bit more sense. So,

(01:56:22):
in this way, water is almost the pan psychist proof
of immortality. If nature itself preserves essence through endless transformation,
why wouldn't consciousness, the deepest essence of all, follow the
same long So all right, so when the Earth all right?
So then I was like, all right, this all makes sense,

(01:56:43):
except for what about that water that escapes Earth? I
want to know the symbolism of that, just to get
real weird, right, all right, So when Earth loses water
into space, it's water that never comes back into the
cycle of the ocean, the clouds, or the rain. It
drifts into the void, perhaps forever. In human terms, this
could be compared to a spirit that doesn't return to

(01:57:06):
the earthly cycles of reincarnation. Instead of condensing back into
matter like rebirth, it journeys outward into the greater cosmos.
Some traditions might call this ascension the soul no longer
tied to the wheel of life and death, or in Buddhism,
samsara right, escaping the cycle of Samsara. Also in Buddhism

(01:57:29):
it's also known as nirvana. So nirvana is just escaping
the cycle of samsorrow and now you're just existing blissfully right.
Shout out to Kurt Cobaine, but rp to a real one.
So in her Meticism, it's returning to the stars. In Christianity,

(01:57:50):
it's the soul leaving this world to dwell in heaven.
The water molecule drifting into space could be a metaphor
for the spirit achieving liberation beyond the cycle. Whh I
knew that there had to be something to that, you know,
because I was like, if nature teaches us everything, then
what is that trying to teach us? Yep, exactly exactly, So,

(01:58:13):
uh yeah, liberation beyond the cycle that would be you
know the story of the water that escapes Earth in
that sense, and it would make sense that most of
the water stays or is it least, you know, reincarnated
in another form like right, because I feel like, honestly, dude,

(01:58:34):
I feel like the only way to escape the cycle
is to become aware of the cycle at first, you
know what I'm saying. And if you don't know that
there's a fucking cycle to all this, then you might
just be like kind of you know, talk back into
coming back again, right exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
Well, it reminds me of what Danny Gohler was saying,
and I think you mentioned it too. I think you
were saying that Croachable seven said that that nature doesn't lie.
But Danny gold Or says that nature keeps no secrets,
you know. And so if that's the case, and you
figure out what nature is doing, then you can maybe
understand that on a deeper level as far as what

(01:59:12):
consciousness of the spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:59:14):
Where we go after this?

Speaker 3 (01:59:17):
I think so if we are part of that, then
why would we not follow suit?

Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
It's not even if we are part of that, like
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:59:26):
We definitely are what I'm saying. If that is, I mean,
that is so, and so then why wouldn't the nature
of us follow.

Speaker 1 (01:59:33):
That why wouldn't we follow suit? Yeah right, yeah, dude,
that's what I was trying to get at with all this.
So so anyhow, moving on, Okay, So the lost hydrogen,
so the water that escapes into space would be equivalent
to the spirit's essence becoming one with the source. So

(01:59:55):
when sunlight breaks water into hydrogen and oxygen and hydrogen escape,
it's like the most subtle essence slipping away into the
cosmic field. That hydrogen might fuse into a in a
distant star billions of years later, becoming part of new light,
that spirit merging back into source, no longer individuated, but

(02:00:16):
fully dissolved into the great fire of existence. M that's
that eternal bliss. Yeah you know, yeah, nirvana. So the
water remaining would be the spirit reincarnating. So meanwhile, most
water stays here endlessly cycling. That's like most souls returning

(02:00:39):
to Earth again and again in different forms. This spirit,
the spirit remains, but it's shape changes a wave now,
a rain drop next, a cloud later, always the same essence,
always moving through transformations. And I don't want to even
say that, Like, I mean, obviously we're here, so like
we didn't figure it out last time. I don't want

(02:01:00):
to say that because maybe we made the decision to
just come back even though we had the opportunity, right,
because let's just be honest, like we look at life
as if it is such a drag, and oh, why
do I got to keep on fucking doing it? You know?
But also I would imagine that from that perspective of
having the opportunity to come back or to move on,

(02:01:20):
you probably like look back at reality and say, you
know what it was. Probably I don't think it was
as bad as we thought it was, you know, And
so maybe you want to just hop back on that
fucking bike and see if you can figure it out
a little bit more the next time, because it's just
one giant mystery and nobody can just say there it is,
figured it out, crack the code. Nobody like I'm the

(02:01:42):
only one that's ever done it, Like, right, it's always
going to be mysterious, And I think that's that way
on purpose, and so like I'm okay with it. If
it wasn't mysterious, maybe we wouldn't keep on coming.

Speaker 3 (02:01:52):
Back, right, Well, I think, and this is just kind
of what I'm thinking about right on the spot, as
far as you know, coming back in a different form.
If consciousness is this thing that we all experience, we
all have, it's within us and probably without you know,
outside of us. But if we come back in a

(02:02:14):
different form, that means obviously we don't come back as ourself,
you know what I'm saying. We're consciousness is the thing
that observes, right, and so that's something that I have
and I'm observing I have that consciousness, but I'm right
now in the expression or the the body of Shawn, right,

(02:02:35):
And so us coming back doesn't necessarily mean the essence
that was Shan, but the consciousness that observes through him,
you know what I'm saying. And so that is the reincarnation,
the ability, not the ability, but the happening of consciousness
being somewhat eternal in that sense, because it's just always been.

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
Well and people, I believe that people been trying to
explain this through parables all across time, through parables, through symbols, whatever, right,
and just trying to explain it in a way that
is almost unexplainable. And that's why it has to be
expressed through symbols, and why it has to be expressed
through parables and Honestly, this is what I've been coming

(02:03:18):
around to think lately, dude, Like so and even just Jesus.
I look a lot into Jesus and the Bible and
all that stuff, mainly because I work with Jacob and
we talk about it just every single episode, and so
it causes the wills to turn right. And so if
we are to believe that the way that we look
at Jesus, like in the gnostic kind of sense, right

(02:03:40):
then in every single time he spoke, he always spoke
in parable. He never meant anything literal. It was always
there's fucking levels to everything that he said. Right then
I would have to imagine what would be the parable
for saying he always references God as the Father and
that he is the Son. Right, wouldn't that kind of

(02:04:05):
be like the Father being your higher self and the
Son being your human understanding, right, your.

Speaker 3 (02:04:11):
Human body versus your human or your consciousness.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
So whenever you through you so yeah, whenever you you know,
whenever you die and you go back to the Father,
it's kind of like you're going back to the one consciousness.
You're going back to the one source. It's the one
thing that it's it's not distant from you. It's always
connected to you. It is you. It's just that you have,
you know, further emanations of yourself as if it is

(02:04:41):
you know, uh, what have we talked about Platonism? M hm? Right?
Like almost look at like your highest self would be
the source and everything else is just further emanations of
the light in more denser, more physical terms. So the
more denser physical version of you would be the Son

(02:05:01):
would be Jesus, right, and the and the the uh,
the source light emanation where everything comes from would be
God or the Father. Right, So if every single if
if consciousness precedes all that is physical, then wouldn't that

(02:05:26):
be the Father or God?

Speaker 3 (02:05:28):
No, that's great, and you know it's funny, well not funny,
but what's interesting about what you just said as far
as because I think you know Jesus was was one
hundred percent man and one hundred percent God, right, So
is he not one hundred percent human being and one
hundred percent consciousness or or whatever that is?

Speaker 1 (02:05:47):
And you can do all these things and more? Holy fuck, dude,
I love it. That's it. That's great. I think we
figured something out, dude, I think so. I mean, so
do we just become best friends. Yep, yep, So yeah,
I think that there's something to that, just looking at

(02:06:08):
trying to understand the deeper message of everything. You know,
if everything is.

Speaker 3 (02:06:10):
Par violated with that, you know, that's pretty fucking solid.
I've never looked at it like that, but it just
makes sense.

Speaker 1 (02:06:17):
Right, I think. So, So all right, let's get into
this a little bit farther because we still got a
good bit to get to. So if water escaping Earth
is like the soul leaving the cycle, it suggests two
truths coexisting. Number one would be most of the essence
remains in the cycle, reincarnating, learning, and experiencing. And number two,

(02:06:41):
some of the essence moves beyond, dissolving into the greater cosmos,
never to return in the same way that paints a
beautiful cosmology. So not all spirits are bound to rebirth.
Some eventually escapes escape Earth's quote unquote gravity of incarnation
and return to the stars like the water drifting into

(02:07:02):
the universe. So, if you're gonna look at it in
a mystic kind of way, water is rebirth, immortality, and
the soul's flow, baptism, Holy River's sacred wells. They all
carried the truth that water is eternal. The ancients watched rainfall, rivers, flood,
and ice melt and saw it in the mirror of
the spirit's journey. So a bowl of water becomes a

(02:07:25):
mirror for scrying. Flowing water carries away what you release.
Drinking blessed water imbibes intention. Water teaches us to flow,
to cleanse, and to remember. Oh wow, a lot that
you can learn from the elements. Heavy. That's heavy, Yeah,
a little bit. All right, Now we're gonna get to

(02:07:46):
We're gonna touch on a couple more here. Uh So,
now we're gonna touch on air just a little bit,
and we're not gonna go like super deep into the
rest of them, because I you know, I feel like
we've been going on. This is one of the longer
episodes I think we've done in a while. But I
love it. You know, it needs time. So if we
look at air, So the science of the air is

(02:08:06):
that the air is in the atmosphere, its gases in motion.
It's shaped by pressure gradients. It carries sound as a vibration.
It sustains life through breath, and without it, fire and
water can't move as they do. Right In mysticism, air
is the spirit, the breath and inspiration. So every culture

(02:08:29):
connected breath with life force, the prana, the ruak. Words
spoken into air becomes spells, prayers, curses, and blessings. So
to work with air is to sing, to chant and
to speak, to whistle to the wind, to burn incense,
to let words carry intention into the unseen. Air reminds

(02:08:50):
us that the invisible is powerful. Yeah, buddy, nextly we
have the Earth. Just to go back over it again.
The science of the Earth would be Earth is a mineral,
It's crystal, its lattice, quartz. Crystal vibrates when pressured. The
earth hums with electromagnetic resonances, and soil recycles life into

(02:09:13):
new life. So in mysticism, Earth is form foundation and
the mother that holds us. Stones were altars, Mountains were gods.
Caves were wounds of rebirth, and the ancient saw that
the ground itself is alive if you're looking at it

(02:09:35):
through that view, which you can. The magic view is
is that you take the salt which comes from earth.
Salt is used for protection, stones are used for memory sigil.
The sigils are buried in soil to grow your intention.
Earth anchors. Earth anchors the spirit into matter. Oh that's

(02:09:58):
a deep one. That's a deep because a man, that's
a deep best cut. So to touch earth is to
remember our bodies home. Mm hmmm, our bodies home, the
human body, the physical body.

Speaker 3 (02:10:12):
That's why it feels so good to ground. Yeah, it's essential.
And even say they even say to like if you're
too if you put your bed to where your head
is facing north, like you're supposed to sleep better. And
there's all kinds of benefits to it because you're now
like aligned with the I'm not sure if it's the
electromagnetics or what it is, you know, the pole basically, yeah,

(02:10:36):
because you are part of that system and so if
you align with it, then now you're in that natural
flow you know, of what the Earth is already doing.

Speaker 1 (02:10:44):
Oh yeah, dude, well, I mean you think about it.
All compasses, they all point to the north like that,
Like it's all based on like the North Pole. You're
always trying to find where true north is. The magnet
always wants to go to the north right, and so
if we are electromagnet beings, it would only make more
sense if we lay in the direction of the north,

(02:11:05):
because if you lay in the south. Now you have
two different energies that are pulling from two different directions,
you know, And it seems so so simple because you're like,
what difference does it make if my head is at
one side of the bed, which is six feet the
other way compared to six feet closer. But it makes
a difference.

Speaker 3 (02:11:22):
I would say, it's as it's opposed to where your
feet are, you know what I mean, if you're trying
to line your body up with that. And so they
even say, and I don't know if this is true,
but like whenever, you know, when you're when you're when
your kid was just a baby, and you would try
to turn the baby to where it was like in
the bed, like the right way. The baby would like
turn and be sideways because that way was probably north,

(02:11:44):
and they just like, no, you know, it's just like natural.
I don't know if that's true. You know, obviously I
can't experiment with that. My kids are a little more
grown now, but I don't know. Maybe someone out there
can can look into that for us.

Speaker 1 (02:11:58):
I'm mna have to check that little ones. Yeah, yeah,
that's a good idea. So nextly we have the ether
or the spirit. So the science of the ether is
that ether was the ancients. Uh, Ether as the ancients
imagined doesn't exist according to science, of course it doesn't,

(02:12:18):
but modern physics gives us quantum fields, space times, and
dark energy, which are unseen mediums that permeate everything. Something
invisible does bind the cosmos according to science. Right, they
just don't like calling it ether. But they're all looking
for whatever that is, though it seems to be. It

(02:12:38):
seems to be that they are all looking for the
one thing that is unseen. We all know it's there
at least at some level. Dude, dark figure that out.
The dark energy is ninety nine point nine percent of
all that is.

Speaker 3 (02:12:51):
Right, and so who's to say what's not possible when
it comes to when we leave this physical body?

Speaker 1 (02:12:57):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:12:58):
That's why I go back and forth because he even
science is coming up with shit that shouldn't be happening,
but it's happening.

Speaker 1 (02:13:04):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:13:05):
It doesn't need to make sense in our mind for
it to be the reality of the situation, you know,
And if you.

Speaker 1 (02:13:11):
Think about it, like if we can only see what
is it?

Speaker 3 (02:13:15):
Like point oh one, I've heard someone say point zero
zero three.

Speaker 1 (02:13:22):
I don't know something so small number of the color spectrum,
of the light spectrum rather right, Yeah, if that's all
we can see, Imagine, dude, if we could see one
hundred percent of it, I one hundred percent guarantee that
nobody would be scared of death. No, if you could
literally see your divine spark or your divine flame or

(02:13:42):
whatever it is that leaves our body, that goes out
into the ether itself, and you could see that that
spark or that flame or whatever the fuck that is
that joins into the rest of all that is, and
then even imagine, I mean, you would then even be
able to see the fucking cycle of if or when

(02:14:04):
that spark decides to come back again. Right yeah, dude,
I mean that would be all you need to know.

Speaker 3 (02:14:12):
You know, well, what I'm saying is once everybody get
wants science and people that are into spirituality and you
name it, once everybody comes to this understanding, there's going
to be you know, they talk about these other planets
and star systems where there's possibly you know, uh, beings
that are enlightened and they're just like so far advanced,

(02:14:33):
you know, if there are aliens coming here or whatever.
It's like they figured that shit out, dude. They can
see the full spectrum.

Speaker 1 (02:14:40):
I'm sure. And dude, this is why, like I don't
even trip about like if there are aliens or if
they're not, Like I believe that there's aliens, you know,
whether they be interdimensional or coming from another planet or whatever,
maybe both, maybe neither, who knows, But like, whatever that is,
it is still consciousness, which means it is still us.

Speaker 3 (02:15:05):
Right, And that's why you know, whenever somebody's if they
are channeling, you know, that's happening through your consciousness. And
people that can remote view and travel to some far
distance to see a family member that's in the hospital
or something like that, they're doing it with their mind
because it's that's what's possible with all of this, you know.

(02:15:25):
I don't know, it's a crazy world we live in, dude. Yeah,
I feel like it's it's way more interesting than we
even have come to understand.

Speaker 1 (02:15:33):
Well, I think that like just being a human, you know,
and especially like a modern human. You know, you're so
used to the air conditioning, you're so used to eating
whatever you want, You're so used to you know, just
like sitting in front of a fucking TV with a
bag of popcorn you know or whatever, right, like and
like like we have the the physical human you know

(02:15:57):
needs in quotes, like all of those things are essentially
like to be a human. It kind of is the
same thing of like we're putting up our own veil
if you really think about it, Like, yeah, like every
single thing that it that it means to be a human,
especially in modern day we the modern day modalities of

(02:16:21):
what it means to be a human is the veil itself.

Speaker 3 (02:16:25):
Yeah, it's the lens that we choose to look through
as well, you know what I mean, based on beliefs
or based on fears, or based on whatever you name it.
You know, we create that matrix. Yeah, ourselves so wild.

Speaker 1 (02:16:41):
Yeah, I mean we're fucking full in ourselves really so.
So as far as the ether goes within mysticism, the
ether was the breath of the gods, the quintessence, the
fifth element beyond form, the medium for spirit, thought and prayer,

(02:17:01):
the hidden web. So that's awesome within mysticism. Within magic,
to work with ether is to still the senses, to
feel the presence between breaths. It's the silence and ritual
where intention leaps into the unseen ether. Is the reminder
that reality is more connected than we know. Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (02:17:24):
We've been saying it, dude, we don't know how to
explain it, but we've been saying it.

Speaker 1 (02:17:28):
It's there. It's there, dude, it's it's the dowel. You know,
the dow that can be explained is not the true dowel.

Speaker 3 (02:17:36):
Right, you know these things that are just so hard
to express and even articulate, you know, you know that
that's the that's the difficult job that we have here,
is trying to put words to things that there are
no words too.

Speaker 1 (02:17:50):
You know, it's poetic in that sense. Here we are. Yeah, okay,
all right, this is where all right, so you're like, okay,
I kind of get the gist of the elements and
the elementals, and maybe you know a better understanding of
what they can be used for symbolically, and maybe if
we're trying to use them within ritual, maybe we understand

(02:18:13):
a little bit more about how to connect with the
flame and all these things. So now that you understand
it and you want to start working with the shit, right,
then we get into weather work. Okay, I wanna start
manipulating the weather, all right? This is just gonna touch
on it. It's not gonna go super deep, but these

(02:18:33):
are certain things that you can learn to do eventually,
once you start to really understand and work with the
elements themselves, which is I think it's pretty damn cool. Yeah.
So Shamans didn't control the weather in quotations, they aligned
with it. Dances, drumming, and chance weren't random. They were

(02:18:54):
ways of entraining breadth and intention with the sky. Sometimes
the rain came because they sensed its timing, sometimes because
consciousness and atmosphere intertwined. In way science is only beginning
to explore. Magical weather is not about domination but dialogue.
The rain dance is not superstition. It's communication with living sky. Dude,

(02:19:20):
let me tell you something I learned this. This was
another inspiration on this show. So if you go back
and you look at like the oh, what was it like,
the the Indian dancing for the rain? Right? Yeah, what
is that called? There's a name for that. I think
that's actually what it was called. I don't know what
the fuck I was thinking about. But anyway, like the

(02:19:41):
rain dance, did you know that Literally they're dancing and
they're singing and the rhythm of which they were moving around.
They recently just decided to try and track the vibration
that was coming off of them, right, And wouldn't you know,

(02:20:02):
literally down to the Milla hurts, it was exactly aligned
to the vibration of the hurts that was that would
be needed if you were trying to invoke rain. So
everything has a rhythm to it, right, Every single thing
has a vibration of frequency and essence and energy. Right,

(02:20:26):
it's just about trying to align with that so that
maybe once you do align with it, it comes right. Okay,
that was the idea of the rain dance. So they
hooked up these these people that were doing the rain
dances with the drumming and the and the chanting and
in the in the dancing and all that, and every
single movement that came from the body. The energy that

(02:20:49):
was created during said ritual is the vibration of rain itself.
Oh shit, How the fuck did they know that.

Speaker 3 (02:21:03):
They were just doing what nature was doing? You know,
they just knew it. Yeah, they didn't have to think
about it that They just were that unreal.

Speaker 1 (02:21:13):
Yeah, and that's what it means to be more connection,
more connected with nature. You think about it like it's
only a recent thing, is air conditioning, you know what
I mean, Like in the realm of time, ac we
we are so blessed, bro, it is not even funny
like lucky dude, it is. Yeah. It is like ninety
degrees outside right now. It's sixty eight in my apartment.

Speaker 3 (02:21:35):
Right It's won't even get me started on the humidity,
you know, not so much here, but we have been
experiencing some humidity, dude, And I'm like, how people deal
with this every day?

Speaker 1 (02:21:45):
Yeah, like I can't breathe out here. Yeah, we're playing
in the nineties over here, Dude, the ninety percent, you're
like struggling with forty over there, thirty probably, Yeah, But yeah,
isn't that crazy about like they just knew how to
connect with the nature elements because we're not separate from it.

(02:22:05):
We just think that we are. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:22:08):
It's not so much a thing that they had to
figure out how to do it. They were just that,
you know, they were part they were so in tuned
with nature that they were able to replicate it or
or just be the thing that was rain, you know,
in that expression anyways of the human expression of rain.

Speaker 1 (02:22:30):
So the rain dance is not a superstition. It is
a literal communication with the living sky. Dude.

Speaker 3 (02:22:37):
That's that's that earth language that we read about in
the The Alchemist. Yeah, I mean it's like knowing the
language of the earth. That is an aspect of that language. Yeah,
how cool is that?

Speaker 1 (02:22:53):
Like try working with the nature with like the fucking
spirit of air condition, you know what I mean? Like,
it's not natural to us. No, it's not gonna works,
all right. So that's just dabbling into that. There's probably
gonna be a whole future episode on that. And I'm
gonna lie like each of these things that we're about

(02:23:14):
to talk about are going to be future episodes themselves.
This is just kind of a dabbling into nextly, which
has been something that I've been wanted to talk about
for forever because I watched Game of Thrones and I
was like, I wonder if that's real. Turns out it is, okay, right,
and that is shamanic flight.

Speaker 3 (02:23:35):
Okay, elaborate a little bit, all right, So did you
ever watch Game of Thrones? No, dude, sleeping, You're sleeping
due she knows what the fuck is up. Then, So
there's uh, there's.

Speaker 1 (02:23:50):
There's a boy in there who you know, he fell
from like a second or third story window and like
became paralyzed, couldn't walk anymore. So so so basically all
he had to do all day was just like meditate
and think and all this kind of shit. Right, Eventually,
as the story unfolds, he understands that, like he can

(02:24:12):
connect his consciousness to animals, okay, and now he can
control said animal because he is jumping into he is
now that consciousness of that raven, of that fucking wolf
or whatever, right, and he can guide that animal as
if he is that animal. Okay, Okay, So I thought, man,

(02:24:34):
if that is something that's for real, we need to
find out about it. So it is also called shamanic flight.
So around the world shaman's described leaving their bodies and
writing with animals, whether it be eagles, jaguars, or even serpents.
They called it soul flight. Science today shows the brain

(02:24:56):
can extend itself, I'm sorry. Science today sh that the
brain can extend its sense of self into other forms.
Body schema experiments is one vr embodiment and lucid dreaming.
The shamanic journey may have been an ancient way of
accessing that same potential, blending imagination with reality until boundaries dissolve,

(02:25:22):
so to see through eagle's eyes, to fly above, to
return with knowledge, it was both vision and truth. Imagine, dude,
I've tried this before, like I've I've like just even
within a meditation we just did a couple weeks ago
where you know, it was one it was really cool.
I really enjoyed that one where basically like you can

(02:25:44):
go in and you know, you can be the dolphin underwater,
and then you transform into the eagle, and then you
transform into the wolf that's running on the land, and
just trying to imagine what it would be like, what
would it feel like if you have the wind beneath
your wings and you can sol and fly everywhere, and
the wind's either going with you or it's going against you,
and it's a lot easier to fly whenever you're you're

(02:26:06):
going with the winds, So you'd much rather just go
in that pattern. Or if you're the wolf, right, like,
imagine what it would be to just be galloping through
the forest and you're going thirty forty fifty miles an
hour or whatever it is, and you have just super
awesome vision and all the crazy senses to where you're
not worried about running into a tree or anything because
you saw that tree from thirty yards away and you

(02:26:27):
already planned for that move, you know, and like, yeah,
every single thing of what it would feel like. I
think that imagining it is the first step. It would
have to be.

Speaker 3 (02:26:38):
Yeah, that's what unlocks that ability. You have to at
least imagine being able to do it.

Speaker 1 (02:26:44):
Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, that may be a whole entire
it will be a whole entire future. I see. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:26:51):
I mean, if consciousness is the thing that gives rise
to everything else, then why wouldn't consciousness.

Speaker 1 (02:26:57):
Be outside of us as well?

Speaker 3 (02:27:00):
This ether that we could travel through into something else
and observe what they're observing.

Speaker 1 (02:27:06):
And I'm happy you brought that up because the next
one we're going to get into is remote viewing. Sir. Yes, yes,
the modern world experimented with this too. The Stargate program
tried to train psychic spies to see distant targets. Results
were controversial, but the practice continues. Remote viewing may be
shamanic flight reborn in modern terms. The ancients used ritual

(02:27:30):
drumming and trance. The military used coordinates and protocols. Both
aimed at the same possibility that consciousness can be moved
beyond the body and see from afar. Whether it be
Egle flight or an RV session, the idea is the same.
Mind is not confined to the skull, of course not. Dude.

(02:27:54):
That's going to be a fun one.

Speaker 3 (02:27:56):
Yeah, And we're going to learn how to do it,
you know, because we have to, because we must, dude.

Speaker 1 (02:28:02):
And that's that's funny because I was actually what was it?
There was somebody that I always love looking into. Oh wait,
you know what. I saved it to my phone. What
is his damn name? Oh my god, I love this guy.
Raydon Raydon, doctor, doctor Dean Raydon. That's his name. Holy shit.

(02:28:25):
He was part He was part of Project Stargate, right, okay,
which had everything to do with remote viewing and and
that kind of stuff. Doctor Dean Raydon. You can still
look him up. I'm he just created a TikTok account.
He has like fifty followers. He just created it, right.
I reached out to him. We're gonna try and get
him on the show. There you go, dude, one of

(02:28:46):
the ogs of remote dealings. Anyway, he gets into all
of the science for it. Bro, Like he is, he sold.
He knows that this ship is absolutely real. Right, it's
no question.

Speaker 3 (02:29:01):
He's one of those guys that I'm gonna need to
do a lot of research just to come up with
good questions.

Speaker 1 (02:29:06):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Well, and he's and
he's of the mind that like he comes from a
science background. He's trying to explain this in scientific ways
and it makes so much sense. I Doctor Dean, come
on the show, dude, that's what I need. Yes, we're
speaking it, so yeah, shout out to him. He's awesome. Nextly,

(02:29:29):
the Elemental Toolkit. Each element has correspondences as well, so
fire with courage transformation, and the South water with emotional
or emotion purification, and the West air with intellect inspiration,
and the East and the Earth with stability, fertility, and

(02:29:50):
the North also there's ether with spirit, miracles, and the
center magic works. Because these correspondences align and symbols with forces.
To light a candle, to pour water, to burn incense,
to hold a stone, and to speak intention is to
call the universe into harmony with your will.

Speaker 3 (02:30:11):
Hmmm, dude, come on now, speaking into the universe telling
it what you wanted, what you want to see, dud.

Speaker 1 (02:30:19):
Dude, you're calling it into harmony to match your will.

Speaker 3 (02:30:24):
So times due where you really feel like you're in
tune with that and things are just like going exactly
the way you wanted.

Speaker 1 (02:30:30):
It to go.

Speaker 3 (02:30:30):
And it's like that's magic, dude. You know, Like so
many things that I've that we've experienced with just my
wife going to school and we're in the grind, dude,
between her working full time, me working full time, she's
going to school full time, and and me doing the show.

Speaker 1 (02:30:46):
It's like we're constantly just moving, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:30:49):
And there's so many things that you know, that I'll
tell her, like, you know, look at it this way,
or you know, and then she's even come to me
and said, oh, you know, I did it this way,
and I said that this is how it's gonna happen.
And just like certain things and then all of a sudden,
that's what we start to see and little call them miracles,
to call them the universe working in your favor, whatever
you want to call it, it's the same thing. But

(02:31:11):
certain doors opening at the perfect time. It's just like, man,
it's almost like it's just it's conspiring for you when
you really lock in and really put your mind and
intention and energy into that goal. You know what I'm saying,
It's like it just fucking just things start to.

Speaker 1 (02:31:29):
Happen, you know, until you make the unconscious conscious. That's
it's it. That's it man. So nextly we have the
grand elemental. Right, so imagine standing in a circle to
the east, you call the wind to the south, you
call you light the flame. To the west, you pour

(02:31:50):
the water to the north. You place the stone above all,
you call the ether. This was the great ritual of balance.
To stand at the center of the elements, to align
yourself with all the forces at once, was to become
a bridge between heaven and earth. The ancients practiced this,
practiced this, and we practice we can practice it still.

(02:32:12):
So just as Symbolic Studies was telling us, right, damn,
I always forget his.

Speaker 3 (02:32:18):
Name, Anthony, No, I'm sorry, was Anthony?

Speaker 1 (02:32:21):
No, Mario Mario, you said it earlier. Yeah, yeah, So
just as he was saying earlier, whenever you got the
magician or the bapha met right, the two fingers pointing up,
the two fingers pointing down, It wasn't to say, I
call upon heaven and hell. It was to make you
the conduit between heaven and earth.

Speaker 3 (02:32:41):
Right right, And that's what it is, symbolic understanding of
the spirit or whatever was the center, you know, the
thing that was outside of space and time, but like
it was symbolically like the center.

Speaker 1 (02:32:53):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:32:54):
Well, yeah, so if you're lighting the flame for the
fire and you're pouring the water and these things are
happening around you, now you're the center of that. Yes,
seeing that spirit or that infinite force, if you will,
you know what I mean, really trying to encompass the
power and energy of the nature that you are within.

Speaker 1 (02:33:14):
And not only just the nature. And it started remember
as he said, it started with the polar deities, so
every it was it was imagining that the pole was
the center and everything else flowed around you, right. And
the same thing with the solar you know, now we
know that we go around the Sun, so we are
almost representing the Sun at that point as a solar

(02:33:36):
deity if you're just looking at it for the symbolism
of it, if you're looking at yourself as the solar deity,
now everything flows around you. You're the Sun, right, and
so you're gonna have the water over here, the fire
over there, the air over there, the spirit above all right, right,
And so if you're that and you're that magician that's
standing in the middle, or if you're the person that

(02:33:58):
created the pentagram, right, because all the pentagram is it
is just representative. It's the penta, it's the five it's
the five elements. So you have you know, your earth, wind, air, water, fire,
and fucking ether. Right. If you have all of those
and you're standing in the center of that, then that
means that all of those are flowing all around you

(02:34:18):
and you have them at your use if you need.
They are only it's only one point of the star
over there away, the other ones, one point of the
star over there away. It's all around you, so that
you're at the center of all of it, as is
the ether right right right. It's just so fascinating the
symbolism of it. And I think that if our mind
works and symbols, of.

Speaker 3 (02:34:39):
Course it works, yep, all right, because it must it
must just nature, you know, can.

Speaker 1 (02:34:46):
Our nature itself? Yeah? Nextly, we have the voice, the breath,
and sound. So why does spells rhyme? Why why would
you chant? Because voice is fire and air combined. Breath
fuels vibration. Vibration shapes reality. Science shows us resonance and entrainment.

(02:35:08):
Mysticism shows us mantras and chants together. They remind us
that to speak with intention is to shape the field
around us. Words are magic, and they always have been. Yeah, boy,
next we'll get into the oh the weather safe prayers.

(02:35:29):
So it's tempting to imagine commanding storms, but true magic
works with balance. Shamans asked for rain when needed, for
winds to ease and never to harm. We too can
pray for balance, for gentle rain, for cool air, for
fertile ground, and always pair, always pair prayer with action,

(02:35:52):
So conserve water, plant trees, care for the soil. Magic
and stewardship must walk together. I agree with that. So
if you want to put it into your daily elemental practice,
you don't need a grand ritual every day. Instead works
simply by breathing. So these are these are things that

(02:36:13):
you can do to work with the elements. These are
the simplest ways that you can, you know, implement them
into your daily practice. Right, So breathe ten deep breaths
at sunrise for air. Okay, simple place bare feet on
the ground for two minutes. For earth, simple enough, light

(02:36:34):
a candle and set an intention for fire, wash your
hands with gratitude for water, and then sit in silence
between them. For ether, these micropractices weave the elements back
into your daily life and imagine all that can get
done in ten minutes. Oh easy, dude, that's great. That's great.

(02:36:58):
Pretty start your day like that.

Speaker 3 (02:36:59):
Just set the intention for that day, or for that
week or month, whatever the goal is, you know what
I mean, and just work on that every day. Well,
now you're using two of the most powerful things when
it comes to manifestation and magic itself is time and
energy and attention. Actually you can throw that one in there.

Speaker 1 (02:37:17):
Yes, yes, dude, so yeah, pretty frickin' sweet. So m
all right. So here's the truth. The ancients weren't wrong.
They were describing reality and symbols. Fire is energy transforming,
water is continuity through change, air is invisible breath and spirit.

(02:37:39):
Earth is stability and form, and then ether is the
unseen unseen field binding it all. Science measures the mechanisms,
mysticism reveals the meaning, and together they bridge the gap.
And that's what this is all about. Making magic reel again,
not by fantasy, but by remembering that every breath, every flame,

(02:38:00):
every drop of water, every stone, every moment of silence
is alive with power. So tonight, take one breath, one step,
one spark, one sip, and one moment of stillness. The
elements are not outside of you. They are you. And
when you remember that, magic is no longer a story,

(02:38:20):
it's life itself.

Speaker 3 (02:38:23):
EO, fuck, come on now, come on, man, you what
are you doing to me?

Speaker 1 (02:38:30):
You know, tickling the soul?

Speaker 3 (02:38:33):
Sir, I'm surprised that we have not done this episode sooner.
I know you mentioned it before, you know what I'm saying.
But we were supposed to have a guest tonight, but
this turned out to be a fabulous episode.

Speaker 1 (02:38:46):
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, it's you know, and we've learned
not to get upset whenever certain things don't fall and
you know the ways that we had planned, you know,
because the fact is is that you know, things happen
as they're supposed to, and it's either they're either they're
either happening to you or they're happening for you. And

(02:39:08):
life is just a lot better whenever you look at
it through the lens of it's happening for you. That's
just the facts.

Speaker 3 (02:39:14):
Look at it as opportunity or or something that's something
else is going to come along, you know, And I'm
sure we're going to have that guest on at a
later later date, and I'm sure usually how that happens
is we'll have that person come on and it's just
a great episode, you know, almost like it needed that
little extra time and timing is is everything.

Speaker 1 (02:39:37):
Yeah, Yeah, it was definitely gonna be a whole hell
of a lot different conversations tonight. We're going to be
getting on a Freemason, so very different.

Speaker 3 (02:39:45):
For some reason, I was thinking, I don't know why
I was thinking it was going to be astrology. I
don't know why I was thinking that. I know you
told me too, but yeah, that was definitely going to
be a much different conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:39:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's going to be a
bit like astrology, but it we're actually gonna be getting
on Tiffany Haney. She's gonna be coming on Wednesday, so
for the live show. So for anybody that's listening to this, uh,
if you're listening on Patreon, then you know she'll be
coming and you know on Wednesday night, and she's gonna

(02:40:16):
be doing the gene keys and so you needed we
needed to give her like all the same stuff that
we would for you known astrological reading. But yeah, I
think that everything happens in divine timing. We'll get that,
uh that gentleman on and talking about free masonry and
all that fun jazz at at a later point. Interesting.

(02:40:39):
I'm looking forward to it. Oh yeah, yeah dude. So Sean,
I think we have a tarot card and you know what,
let's uh, let's take a minute because we both have
to shuffle now, yeah, because we're gonna go oracle and
tarot all right for it? All right? So, uh, you

(02:40:59):
know what, We're gonna read the oracle from the Alice
in Wonderland deck, right, Alice, it's the Alice the Wonderland Oracle,
all right. So what we got was it's a card
called keep your Temper Okay, and it shows Alice with
the Seshire cat or just looks like a cat, but

(02:41:22):
I guess it could be the Seshire. It says, when
we are thrown this way and that by life, uncertain
of what will happen next, our tempers can begin to fray,
we may become irritable, less patient than we would be
when all is familiar and comfortable for any of us.
To make our way through life, we must be wary

(02:41:44):
of our temper taking over our good sense. Remember, you
will go farther when you harness your power and unleash
it at the right time, which is, by the way,
not right now, okay, interesting, which I think is a
pretty power powerful message, right, especially if we're talking about
the elements. You know, if you think about anger, I

(02:42:05):
would definitely associate that with fire, right, And so you
don't want to always be fire all the damn time
and forcing your way into things that you don't need
to be. I mean, fire can be used for a
lot of good things, but can be always, you know,
also used for a lot of bad things. You know,
can heat your home, but it can also burn your
fucking host house down. Oh yeah, so you know you

(02:42:26):
got to be able to contain the flame and not
let it override yes man.

Speaker 3 (02:42:33):
As far as the tarot, we got the Queen of Wongs.
Queen of wons, all right, that seems like a pretty
decent card to look into.

Speaker 1 (02:42:44):
The Queen of Wands here we go, all right, Feminine
energy of intuitive creativity and emotional intelligence, combined with passion
and heart centered action are held within the Queen of Wands.
In Taro, queens represent feminine energy that includes receptivity, creativity, nurturing,

(02:43:06):
and love. The addition of the oh, come on now,
the addition of the fire element combined with intuitive water
gives this queen action driven capabilities for giving as well
as receiving. The Queen of Wands is seated facing the viewer,
displaying confidence rather than passivity. Her gaze is to the left,
the direction of intuition, symbolic of her connection to water

(02:43:29):
and feminine energy. This powerful combination is much like that
of the magician, who channels the divine to manifest this reality,
and the Queen of Wands has been historically referred to
as the Witch of the Taro for this reason. In
this case, the term which refers to her ability to
manifest and is not connected to a specific religion. The
black cat by her side, known as the Witch is Familiar,

(02:43:52):
echoes this aptly given nickname. So the elemental key combination
so is water in fire. So water signifies the Queen's
connection to love and emotions, while her place in the
suit of wands connects her to fire, which represents passion
and action. So that's pretty interesting that we kind of

(02:44:13):
just got a fire card for the uh for the oracle,
and then get this one that's water and fire, which
I think kind of it flowed perfectly into this. You know,
you can't just be fired. Like you said.

Speaker 3 (02:44:24):
The oracle was kind of like an amplifier, you know,
And so that's cool man, Yes, love it how they line.

Speaker 1 (02:44:31):
Up like that.

Speaker 3 (02:44:32):
Dude, Yeah, you know we should start doing that. Why
not do a tarot and an oracle every time? Yeah,
let's do There's no reason not to.

Speaker 1 (02:44:40):
So the spiritual message says, focus on cultivating your intuitive
powers within your spiritual practice and manifesting your dreams into reality.
This may mean spending time in nature to rejuvenate your
energy and spirit before returning to your responsibilities. Take initiative
to work on healing any blocks to your self esteem
and sense of self worth. You are becoming more confident,

(02:45:02):
which will lead to immense personal growth and improved relationships.
So the upright key meanings would be creativity and ambition. Interesting,
which makes sense. The creativity and the ambition. You think
about water, I mean it can flow in whatever direction.
It takes many different forms. It's like the most creative
thing that there is the ambition being the fire, right,

(02:45:25):
It's that thing that gets you going, like why are
you getting up every morning? So yeah, the Queen of
Wands is a combination of the water and the fire. Dude,
why not? And I think that that just shows the
importance of not relying solely on one of the elements.
I'm talking about the the symbolic elements, right, Like what

(02:45:48):
does the fire represent within you? Right? It can get
you out of a lot of situations, but you don't
want to solely only be fire. Like anybody that's ever
met somebody, you know, somebody that's all fired and you're like, dude, come.

Speaker 3 (02:46:00):
On, comment down, just to touch fan the flames a
little bit, right, Somebody get this guy a sprinkler.

Speaker 1 (02:46:06):
You know what's going on here? Right? This guy in here?
Who put that guy there? So yeah, awesome, And I
feel like we have a pretty decent understanding of the
elements now, right.

Speaker 3 (02:46:19):
Oh oh, way more than before, for sure. Definitely room
to grow. But dude, that was all encompassing. Dude, deep
there for a minute.

Speaker 1 (02:46:29):
It did get deep, but several times for sure, so, yeah,
I guess now we're gonna get over to the meditation.
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I feel like the people have really been coming through.
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Speaker 1 (02:48:30):
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So we just want to say that, so thank you.
That being said, I think we're going to get over
to the meditation. And yeah, I guess with all of
that being said, if elemental magic came here and it
taught you anything, it's that you don't know what you

(02:48:51):
don't know, So just get weird, stay weird. That was
an interesting one, huh. I had to wake up out
of that.

Speaker 3 (02:49:06):
One, felt like, yeah, I got I almost like I
didn't fall asleep or anything, but I got super super
entrance there.

Speaker 1 (02:49:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:49:16):
I felt like my uh my hands kind of whet numb,
probably because of the way I was sitting, you know
what I mean. But it's weird because you know when
your hands go numb, they tend to get cold, right, yeah,
if you got pores circulation. But I felt like my
hands and my arms were like.

Speaker 1 (02:49:32):
Warm, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:49:34):
Oh yeah, maybe because of the suggestion of the fire.
I don't know, but it definitely felt like a warming aspect.
I don't know, super super interesting though, I was. I
was starting to use certain aspects of that. And this
is what's really interesting about these meditations is the different
sounds that you hear. You know, you can put certain

(02:49:56):
properties to that, like the crackling of the wood. In
your mind, you can say, Okay, the crackling of the
wood is just the the energy that was the wood escaping, right,
and so you could or you could say that that
crackling of the wood is the transformation of the wood
to ash, right, and so that's the sound of the transformation.

(02:50:18):
So you can take those sounds and say, okay, well,
those crackling sounds are actually parts of myself that are
parts that I don't like, you know what I mean,
And so the fire is taking that and transforming it
into something else, and that's the sound that you're you
know what I mean. So there's little things that you
can do in your mind and apply that and accept it,

(02:50:38):
you know, just like you would if you were to
write down, you know, things that you are releasing and
then you you know, you write it down or you
burn it or whatever you do, and then for some
reason it seems to work, like for the next few days,
you start to feel like, oh, that's it's so you
can't describe it, you know, but there's some aspect of
yourself that accept did that and took it on as reality.

Speaker 1 (02:51:02):
So you literally.

Speaker 3 (02:51:03):
Changed something about your own reality. But that's just what's
really cool about your mind that you can do that,
you know what I mean at that point, it's not magic,
it's just it just is just like shifting your consciousness
at that point.

Speaker 2 (02:51:18):
M m yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:51:19):
I felt like because at first I was like, all right,
I'm going to really try to connect with this, like
I wanna I want to be in that fire, you know,
like I wanted to be part of the process of
that combustion that is forming light, that is that is

(02:51:41):
burning the wood and using it as fuel. I want
to be part of that. And and and it took
me a little while, and I was like almost like
because you know that drumming is almost like a little
intimidating a little bit, especially whenever you combine it with
the fire, you know, like in a meditation, at least

(02:52:01):
for me it was. And so I was like, all right,
you know what, I'm looking at it almost from like
a fear based kind of mentality, like it shouldn't be intimidating.
It should just it's just another way of expressing itself.
If it's if everything is just one consciousness, then that
fire is just another way of expressing said consciousness. Right,

(02:52:25):
And so I was like, you know what, you know
I'm gonna do. I'm just going to live. I'm just
going to surrender to it. And it made me think
about the whole process of like birth and death and
rebirth and all this other kind of stuff, and like,
if everything is just one consciousness, then that means that

(02:52:45):
the very consciousness that I am is the same consciousness
of what that fire is, right, and so and it's
and if it all is one consciousness, then I am
that fire and that fire is me right in that sense,
whether you look at it through all the different modalities
of you know, I was a fire in a past
life or I will be a fire in a future life,

(02:53:06):
maybe it's just all one thing. It's all happening right
now and we're only just viewing it through this linear
kind of modality, right, but really, in all actuality, it
all is just one thing. So I was like, I'm
going to see what it's like to be fire, you know,
like and just be it. And dude, I just realized that, like,

(02:53:30):
of course fire is consciousness, Like of course it is,
because if it wasn't consciousness, then it wouldn't do anything,
you know, because in order for anything to be anything,
and it must first be conscious, Like there is no

(02:53:51):
such thing as physical anything preceding consciousness. Consciousness always comes first.
So that fire must be a concer. So whenever people
are like staring into a flame, or staring into a
fire or something like that, and they're they're they're put
into a gaze, they're put into somewhat of a trance.
That almost is our connection to that consciousness in a way,

(02:54:16):
if you really think about it. And so then, dude,
it so strange because as soon as like that clicked
in my mind, it was like, not only I wasn't
at the bottom anymore, I wasn't the fire, you know,
the logs with all the little the little charcoals and
you know, all the little things right at the bottom.

(02:54:36):
It was like I was rising up, like I was
no longer the wood that was being burned. I was
the I wasn't the fire that was even going through
the wood. I was the fire that was coming up
and forming like the point of the fire. Right. And
then I became like this little you know, little sparks
fly up out of the fire right like a little

(02:54:57):
amber that maybe you throw a piece of paper in there.
And then that little piece of paper. Just do you
ever see like a piece of paper it floats up
like a couple hundred feet in the air, and sometimes
you're like, oh, man, I hope that don't start a fire,
you know, but like, but it happens, right, and you
you know, it could be paper, could be leaves, whatever's
real lighting right, And dude, it was so strange. I
didn't even think about this. It just like happened. But

(02:55:18):
I like, I floated up and I was just that
one little piece of ember that was still slightly burning
as it was like rising up from the heat of
the fire. And all of a sudden, my my aspect,
my perspective of just being in the fire. It went
from instead of being like I'm right here, I'm you know,

(02:55:40):
like parallel with the fire, it went to I'm now
I'm up here now, dude, and I'm looking down at
the fire in to where I'm like I'm level with
the sky and I'm looking down at the rest of
physical reality. And it was so cool because it was
like a transformative. It wasn't like I was here then,
I was just there. It was like I'm moving with it,

(02:56:03):
and now my perspective of everything just changed because that's
what it would do, right, And it was like it
was almost like an eagles eye view of that fire
that was once part of the log or part of
the combustion, and and now it is mixing in with
the rest of everything. No longer is it only contained

(02:56:26):
as just fire. It is now rising up into the spirit,
into the ether, you know. And I thought, I was like,
holy shit, man, that was so cool. But yeah, yeah,
it's it's like, I don't know, I think the idea
of like changing your perspective into a different form of

(02:56:47):
conscious not a different form of consciousness, it's all consciousness anyway,
but like changing your perspective. Yeah, dude, Like what a
fun ride that is. And you know what, I feel
like we should start trying to do that a little
bit more, you know, like be the dolphin, be the
leaf on the tree, or be the ant that's burrowing

(02:57:10):
into the ground, or you know what I mean. And
very to the test.

Speaker 3 (02:57:14):
You know, if in fact, you know consciousness is inside
and outside of us, then put it to the test and.

Speaker 1 (02:57:20):
See if we can actually do these things.

Speaker 3 (02:57:23):
You know, because really all is it really is just
a hop, skip and a jump, you know what I mean,
we're already on that field anyways all the time. You know,
it's just a matter of moving through it. And so
I don't know, dude, I feel like it's possible, man.
And as far as like the whole consciousness thing, dude,
I feel like that is.

Speaker 1 (02:57:44):
That's what it is. Man.

Speaker 3 (02:57:45):
You know how it's like people say like, well, how
come I don't remember my past life or how come
I don't remember the you know, the life that I
was before this? Well, you know, because you forget everything.
It's like, well, you know, all of my memories and
all of all of the things that happened to this
body are stored in here, you know what I'm saying.
But it was the consciousness that gave me the awareness

(02:58:08):
to experience those things. And then when you die, right,
consciousness continues. And so there might be energy that was me,
but not it won't be me me, you know what
I mean. It'll be the energy that is me, but
it won't be the memories.

Speaker 1 (02:58:25):
Of me, you know. And so and also how does
it it make sense? And how does it pertain? So like,
for example, what if your most recent incarnation before being
a human, what if you were just like that little charcoal,
you know what I'm saying, And that was your life.
Now that information of you being that little charcoal in

(02:58:48):
that fire, and maybe that light is still going on
for forever, right whatever, but let's just say that it
feels it out that night and you had to find
another way to reincarnate into something because because that's just
what consciousness and energy does, it has to go into something.

Speaker 3 (02:59:06):
And the whole idea of me having to find another
thing too, it's just consciousness itself. It's the one, it's
the source, it's whatever you want to call it. But
it's not necessarily me, you know. That's what I think
I'm coming to understand. You know, people go into a
meditation and access the acotic records, which is the the

(02:59:29):
knowing of everything and every experience and everything that's ever
happened and everything that will happen. It's like that is
stored within consciousness because consciousness was the thing that observed
it in the first place. And so when you experience
a past life, it's not necessarily your past life. It's consciousness,
like the recording of consciousness itself.

Speaker 1 (02:59:50):
And so that I think, I.

Speaker 3 (02:59:52):
Don't know, it's it's like, well, I know, right, but
I feel like it's it's you that is the all
encompassing I am am, it's you that is the observer.
It's you that is the awareness, like and we know,
like down to the very to the very thick of it,
it's like, you're not you. You're the you that's observing

(03:00:14):
what it's like to be you, right, right, It's just
that fucking Rubik's cube of even statement, right, but like,
but that's really what we are, right, And.

Speaker 1 (03:00:24):
So we become like, uh, okay, I'm sorry, No, I
was just gonna say, like, we become so attached to
what this is that we forget that we're not even
that right.

Speaker 3 (03:00:33):
It's like, am I the I who speaks or the
I who listens?

Speaker 1 (03:00:37):
You know?

Speaker 3 (03:00:37):
I think Optimistic Bank said that in one of his songs,
and I was like, oh shit, you know, we always
want but.

Speaker 1 (03:00:43):
But yeah, dude, I don't know. I fuck dude.

Speaker 3 (03:00:46):
I think it's all fucking fascinating, man, And I don't know.
I feel like something clicked tonight for me anyways, And
I'm gonna explore that and contemplate a little bit and
see what it does, you know, see what it tickles
my fancy?

Speaker 1 (03:01:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and also like think about it,
just since we're on the subject of fire, Like is
there a way for fire to live the wrong way? No?
You know what I mean? Like, is there a way
for water to live the wrong way? And for do
you think water judges itself for making our left term

(03:01:21):
when it should have made a right one?

Speaker 3 (03:01:23):
No, because it can't. Oh, I mean, it just goes
with the flow.

Speaker 1 (03:01:27):
Man. All that we are is the observer and and
we can't affect our decisions and everything that we make,
you know, of course, like the more we become aware
with the eye, with the I am, or with the
consciousness or with the soul or whatever, you know. I
heard somebody say this, it's like it's so strange because
as a human we feel like we have so much

(03:01:49):
anxiety because there's so many options and there's so many
choices and you could do this or you can do that,
and you don't really know what the right what what
the right answer is wrong, what's the right direction or whatever?
Right It's like and.

Speaker 4 (03:02:03):
He's twelve years old into more show be a whore,
and nobody ever told it it's the wrong way, like
that doesn't exist, right, But like to the fire. It's
like the fire is just just observing what it's like
to be fire, And I think that that's all we
really are. We're just observing what it's like to be Jonathan,
what it's like to be shone through the eyes of

(03:02:25):
what if. That's what we are, right.

Speaker 1 (03:02:27):
But somebody, to get back to what I was saying,
is is that somebody says that like, whenever you're just
human and you're just like you're doing what a human
would do. Whenever you can get in touch with that
consciousness that you are the I am, the all that is,
the consciousness, the soul, the spirit, whatever it is, there

(03:02:51):
is no more option of anything. You just feel guided
by whatever that is. That there isn't multiple directions that like,
whenever you go deep enough inside of you, there is
only one direction to go, and that is that that
flowing force that makes it so easy that you don't
even have to make a decision anymore because the right

(03:03:14):
thing is the natural thing, is the natural flow of
this reality. You don't even question if you go left
or right because you're going off of intuition alone.

Speaker 3 (03:03:24):
And which also really makes sense as far as the
almost neutrality of the higher self, you know when you
contact the higher self where you get in touch with
that that I don't know, higher intelligence thing. You know,
It's it's so neutral when it tells you something. It's
not like, ah, fuck, you should have fucking did this,
you know, it's just like, well, I mean, you know,

(03:03:47):
do it like this or this is this is an option?

Speaker 1 (03:03:50):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (03:03:50):
It's it's kind of like just observing and based on
your decisions. It's it's just observing that now, you know.
And it's like, oh, if you want, I want to
see it this way, okay, you know what I mean.
It's not like really choosing a site or a direction
like you were saying.

Speaker 1 (03:04:07):
Yeah. So it's like, you know, look, if you want
to make that decision, you can like that path is
already set out like and this is what's going to
happen if you make that decision. Not in a judgmental way,
but in order for this decision to exist, this path
must exist, you know what I'm saying. And it's not
that this path is the end all be all, it's

(03:04:28):
that you know, it can veer. I mean, it's everlasting.
So of course there's many different ways that that turn
could turn into this turn into that turn, and then
eventually you get on the straight and narrow, right. I
don't know, dude, It's just so fucking majestic in that sense.
And that's what I've really come to just love about
doing these episodes because I feel like, just even on

(03:04:50):
a personal basis, I feel like I'm just broadening my
own understanding of like, dude, who gives a shit about mortality?
Like we exist forever, right man?

Speaker 3 (03:05:01):
You know I mean, and you can at least look
at it that way, you know what I mean, even
if that's not so like, That's that's the crazy thing
about it, dude. You know, however you want to choose
to look at it is what your consciousness will see,
you know.

Speaker 1 (03:05:14):
You know what, And that just brings me back to
the void again, you know, because whenever I went through
that void situation, I was so scared. I thought I
lost everything, and I was not ready to turn it
in yet, you know what I'm saying, Like, I was
not ready to let go of that I had weighed
too many attachments. I had weighed too many un too
much unfinished business, and you know, I felt almost as

(03:05:35):
if it was my fault that the world ended and
it wasn't time yet. And and that's what you hear
like about a lot of suicide cases, is that that's
why they always say that that, like I think, whatever
you want, I'm not here to be judgmental. I don't
know the right answer. But like why they say that,
it's though it's the one, like it's the unholiest of
all sins is suicide is because there is ath and

(03:06:00):
you took that away from yourself, right right, And that
they say, I've heard this before, like with near death
experiences of people that you know purposely overdoes or whatever
it is, and then somebody shoots them up with narcan
and they're back again, right right. But in that moment
that they knew that they were about to go, there
was so much regret or so much regret because they

(03:06:23):
knew that, like they saw the path of how their
life was supposed to go, and they knew that it
wasn't supposed to end right there, right Like it's all
like it there is a plan for all of it.
And and it's not even that like somebody else made
that plan for you mm hmm, Like I really believe
that we're the ones that created the plan in the

(03:06:45):
first place.

Speaker 3 (03:06:47):
And think about this as going off of what you
were talking about, Like if you if you took it
from yourself, you don't only change your own path or
or really just end that path, but you change that
path for everyone that was around you as well. You
know what I'm saying, Like everybody changes, not just obviously
you're gone, so you know, but like the people around you,

(03:07:07):
their life is you take something from them too.

Speaker 1 (03:07:11):
Yeah, a part of you dies in them too, you
know which even ultimately, like even though it wasn't part
of the initial plan, I think even the initial plan
probably has like curves and valleys and hills, and you
know what I'm saying that it's not even just a
straight line completely predestined in that way that I think

(03:07:34):
that the entire all of everything is so damn malleable
because it's just the play, dude, you know, like all
of it. We're just putting on a fucking play for ourselves,
and we're learning a little bit. Like you learn a
little something every time you watch a movie. You weren't
even in that movie. How'd you learn something from it?
You weren't there, But we do. And I think that's

(03:07:55):
probably just.

Speaker 3 (03:07:55):
Like that you know we figured something out of thing.

Speaker 1 (03:07:59):
Dude, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:08:01):
I'm lockingel and glad that we had this episode.

Speaker 1 (03:08:04):
You know, it was the right timing, it was so anyhow, Yeah,
I think we're gonna wrap it.

Speaker 3 (03:08:10):
Upgrade there so the one we love you and we
will see you on the flip side.

Speaker 4 (03:09:13):
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