The “Evil” Gods & The Shadow They Force You To See

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You created everything. What's put a powerful being?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
You are.

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You did these things, but now you're in a human body.
You forget the power you have.

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What you do is what the whole universe is doing
at the place you call here, and now you are
something the whole universe is doing, in the same way
that a way is something that the whole ocean is doing.

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There's always something to talk about whenever it is involving mysticism,
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Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
So this is where it's gonna get a little strange. Tonight.
We are talking about the shadow gods of myth. Okay,
sometimes they are the bad ease of of every myth,
of every religion, of every you know, ancient culture. There's
always been some kind of adversary, if you will, sir.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
And it almost has to be that way.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, I mean, and in duality and polarity, there has
to be good. There has to be evil especially, and
you see it within you know, every every movie. Like
if every movie was just good and there was no downfall,
you know, like it would be boring. It was the
actually the very reason. So whenever DC first came out

(02:55):
with Superman, they actually didn't give them any there was
no kryptonite involve that first. He was just beating the
shit out of everybody, and it was just like, Okay,
here's another episode of Superman beating everybody because he's invincible
and nobody can beat him.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
And it was fun at first. I'm sure, yeah, I'm
sure somebody have these type of abilities.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, but people got bored of it. People got real
sick of it because it's not reality, like, there is
no individual that can do that. Eventually, they will fall
and somebody finds their aka their kryptonite, right, and so
that's why they had to introduce kryptonite into that. So
basically the point is is that there always has to
be something that could potentially hold you back, and if

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you don't have that you're not growing, like that's just
the reality of the situation. If it is always good
and always amazing, there's no need to work on anything ever,
you know.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Yeah, people like to see the hero have a couple
obstacles and watch them grow, you know. And if you
feel like you know everything already, then you're probably not
learning new shit, you know.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, yeah, you got to learn a little bit. So yeah. Oh,
I also want to say, this is actually my very
last episode that I am recording in my apartment in
Texas before I move out to Arizona. So that's why
if you hear like a little bit of an echo,
it's because I took out all of the little foam
sound pads, ye, And so yeah, it's it's pretty much

(04:20):
a whole echo chamber up in here right now. Okay,
I mean I can maybe I just listened for it.
But yeah, so that's where we're going to get into
the shadow gods of myth Fear in the Shadow. Okay,
we did a whole episode on Fear not too terribly
long ago, and now once you understand Fear a little

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bit more and understand that it's just a vibration, right,
It's just a frequency that you're setting off, and that
frequency almost puts you into somewhat of a trance like
state that allows you to be able to be controlled
even deeper by fear itself when you start to see
the manifestation of that fear. Right, and and Jacob has

(05:05):
talked about this in the past, like about how he
saw a demon. Right, I personally don't believe that there
are real deities called demons. I'm not somebody that believes
in that. I think that it's more of the Carl
Jung archetype, right, These are these are the archetypes of
the subconscious mind, in my.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Opinion, said, and that being said, that's not even trying
to say that his experience didn't actually happen, Like I
believe fullheartedly that he had that experience. It was his
regardless experience, is my my point, right, based off of
his beliefs.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Right, Well, it needed to manifest as something, you know.
And so it's not to say that he's full of shit.
I don't believe he's full of shit. I don't believe
that anybody's full of shit, because an experience is an experience.
What I'm saying, though, is that without the mind and
without the fear maybe wouldn't have seen it.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's kind of my point. So I think that these
things are kind of existing, maybe dimensionally, you know, maybe
just within the subconscious, you know, whenever you're not dealing. Yeah,
a lot of people try and suppress their subconscious, They
try and suppress their desires, they try and suppress their fears,
and you know, it's it's like holding a basketball underwater.

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Eventually it things don't pop up.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
You know. Mind is a powerful thing at.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Dude, it's I mean, I don't even think you can
argue against the mind being the most powerful thing in.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
All of creation. Absolutely is the most complex as well.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
And dude, yes, I mean, hey, dude, it's the first. Uh,
it's the first principle of the Hermetic principles.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Yeh, that's it all his mind man, Yeah, buddy.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
So every great spiritual tradition tells us the same thing.
Do not fear. The Bible says fear not three hundred
and sixty five times, one reminder for every day of
the year. Franklin Deleanor Roosevelt, old old Roosevelt. Dude, was
he the one in the uh? He was one in
the wheelchair? Or am I thinking of somebody else.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Oh, I think he might be right person to ask
about history should mean neither.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
I'm terrible at it, but anyhow. Franklin Deleanor Roosevelt echoed
it during the Great Depression, declaring the only thing we
have to fear is fear itself.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Absolutely, if we are.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
To take that literally, that there is nothing to fear.
Don't fear the devil, don't fear demons, don't fear adversaries.
Fear your fear. If you're going to fear anything, fear
the vibration itself of fear. Yes, dude, Yes, because.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
That's what's going to ultimately open up doors to seeing
negative entities or experiencing horrible experiences because you're opening yourself
to the opportunity to experience that basically just because you
your your general vibration is that reality.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
And conversely, you know, if you're not embodying that frequency
of fear and you are embodying something on the polar
opposite end, well maybe you start to see some pleadians
on nick. You know, like, I can't imagine that you
see them while you're in fear, right, I mean, I'm

(08:16):
just guessing impossible.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
I'm pretty sure impossible.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. But anyhow, why is
or why is this constant insistence on not fearing, Because
fear is the lock on the subconscious. Fear is the
barrier between us and transformation. Fear keeps us from seeing
ourselves as we truly are. Shadow Work is the practice

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of breaking through that barrier. Carl Jung explained that the
shadow is not evil. It's the unacknowledged part of ourselves.
Our anger, our envy, our lust, our weakness, even our
untapped power all are repressed into darkness. When we ignore
the shadow, it controls us. When we face it transforms us.

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And the ancients understood this truth long before psychology gave
it a name. Every culture created myths of shadow gods,
deities of chaos, trickery, storms, and death. These gods were
feared because they embodied the part they embody, the parts
of life that humans could not control. But they were
also respected, for to confront them was to confront fear itself.

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So tonight we descend into their realms. Set Loki, tescatlea Polka.
That's a new one for me. Samuel Hades, Satan Kylie,
the tricksters of myth and psychedelics, not as enemies, but
as guides. For these shadow gods are mirrors of the subconscious,

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and when faced with courage, they are not destroyers at all,
but initiators.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Hmmm, that's interesting. It's interesting to me that even like
all the different cultures all around the world has that
shadow entity, you know, even even ourselves, even if it's
not an entity itself. You know, Let's say you're just
having like a good stretch of like good days. Right,
Everything's going really smooth, you know what I'm saying. You
got that promotion, like things are just going very well.

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But in the back of your mind, at least for me.
I'm not gonna speak for everybody, but in the back
of my mind, I'm like, where is the monster around
the corner? Like there's something lurking. It's just waiting for
me to to you know what I'm saying, not be
uh super prepared for the presence of that thing, you
know what I mean. So I'm just sitting there like
in waiting almost sometimes well like I make my own monster.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
You're almost creating it at that point, exactly, you know. So, yeah, dude,
pretty wild. So the archetypes of the shadow. Uh, the
shadow is the unseen self. Carl Jung taught that we
project onto others what we cannot accept in ourselves.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Deep absolutely deep.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Oh yeah, yeah. How many people are like they can't
stand homosexuals, right, can't stand the gays, they can't stand
the lesbians, they can't they can't stand the transgenders and whatever.
And it's like like almost like too much, you know
what I'm saying, Like they don't like do whatever you want.
I don't like I'm not living your life. I don't care,

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you know, But I think this is just a I
don't know, just a thought. Maybe that's something that they're
battling internally, you know, and that's not even to make fun.
I think that that's actually probably what's going on, probably
what you got.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, no, I agree. I think that kind of thing
happens like naturally whenever you either one like you're saying,
you're like have something internal that you're projecting, or you're
depressing and like demonizing something that is natural, like like

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like for like you know, the whole adage of like
the the Catholic girl that like goes crazy after they
get out of the house kind of thing, like.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Sexually Oh, it's repressed.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, repression of like normal things or if you make,
you know, repression and shame or like you know, like
people in Europe they had they typically deal better with alcohol,
like growing up as kids, because it's not like no, no, no,
never touch it. It's like it's like normal. It's around
the same concept for like those kinds of things, you know,

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with those kind of ideologies. Whenever you repressed and suppressed,
they tend to like express themselves later in like those
kind of ways. Those all go hand in hands.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
I'll tell you what. That's funny you bring that up
about the Catholic girls because there was this uh well,
I don't know if it's still around or not, but
it used to be called Saint Joe's and it was
an all girls Catholic school and everybody knew that. Like
if you're talking about that, they were referred to as
the Saint Joe's Hose, and you know, for for a reason,

(13:02):
you know what I'm saying, Like, I just want to
throw that out there. So I think that the repression
is it's ultimately, dude, anytime somebody tells you you can't
do something, it only makes you want to do it.
Even more at least for me.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, I just think about too, like how many pastors
and preachers and all those things they all have the
most like rock star extravagant like sexual lifestyles that are
like not typical for like a regular person, but they're
like the people who are supposed to not be doing
it the most.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Like there's there there's got to be some correlation to.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
That, you know what I mean, dude, Yeah, repression it
Hey it you can repress it for as long as
you want, and good on you if you can stay
repressing it. I mean there are there are people, you know,
like monks that take vowels of silence and what is
it called whenever you go without sex, uhc celibacy vowels

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of celibacy, and you know they make it. You know,
I can't remember which one it was. There was a
monk or a guru or something like that that like
he was trying to test like his patience like to
them to the max. So he had a bunch of
like women jump into bed with him totally naked, and

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he couldn't obviously he wasn't going to touch him or anything,
but just to see like how how far he could,
you know, hold himself back. He was able to do it,
So I don't know. Maybe he was just kind of
teasing himself, to be honest with you, but maybe he
just wanted to, you know. He was just like, look,
I'm I'm not touching you know, but I'll take a peek,
you know. But yeah, some people just get a little

(14:41):
weird with it anyhow, So ancient myth makers projected this
onto gods and monsters. As far as how we uh,
just to go back a little bit. So young taught
that we project onto others what we cannot accept in ourselves,
And so ancient myth makers projected this onto gods and monsters.
By telling their stories, they gave form to the chaos

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within so that it could be faced. To understand these
shadow gods is to understand the human condition. Each one
is a fragment of the subconscious, the storm, the trickster,
the mirror, the accuser, the inevitable. To deny them is
to remain blind. To face them is to awaken.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
And I see that's the beautiful thing about it. You know,
when you see something about somebody then it just really
bothers you. You know, that's the opportunity that you can
take to go. Okay, why does that bother me? You
know what, what do I need to examine about myself
that's creating this issue that doesn't need to be there.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yes, yes, big time. So before we go any further,
get over the chat. White boy Wizard said, what up?
Love lovely mother motherfuckers some motherfuckers. Yeah, so happy to
see that you are here tonight. This is going to
be such a fun episode. So all right, so I figured,
you know what, let's dive a little bit more into

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Carl Jung in the Shadow because I think that it's
going to bring this all into just a little bit
more context for anybody that is very curious about Carl
Jung and his philosophy and his teachings and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Oh yeah, and if there's anybody to cover the shadow self,
you know it, it's Carl Jung.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
He created it down, he created it. Yeah, he's the
man though, he is the man, Yeah, no doubt so. Carl.
By the way, this is from Artsofthought dot Com. Never
never heard of it, but it looks awesome. So Carl
Jung in the Shadow a Guide to the Dark Side
of the Mind. Let's go Carl Jung has captured the

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interest of both academics and spiritual seekers alike. One of
his most powerful discoveries was his concept of the shadow.
Carl Jung's shadow is a symbol that represents the hidden
side of every human psyche. The shadow is composed of
hidden aspects of an individual's personality that are deemed as
unacceptable and tucked away into the hidden parts of their mind.

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Shadow characteristics are mostly formed by shame. These characteristics are thoughts, desires, wishes, feelings, cravings,
and urges that one's own ego does not accept. The
ega doesn't accept it. Oh shit, that's the internal battle,
right right. So, for example, in the case of a
sexual taboo, you may have heard that certain behaviors or

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desires are not acceptable by your family, so you hide them. Thus,
the urge is cast into the shadow, only to show
itself when the environment is safe from judgment or even
repressed away completely. Shadow. Oh yeah, dude, it's dark. It's

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like bane. You know, he was.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Born in it.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Shadow trades can also be positive aspects of a personality.
Maybe you have associated your natural assertiveness with shame because
you're disciplined away from it at a young age, or
maybe your creativity was neglected because you were taught that
it that it was less valuable than quote unquote hard skills.
This is why shadow integration is such an important tool

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for making progress and the process of individuation, which is
a term coined by Carl Jung, which represents the journey
a mind must undergo to achieve wholeness. Yeah, buddy, I.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Mean it's part of you, man, you know, you can't
separate yourself from that.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, no doubt, almost like individuation, you know what he
kind of reminds me of, like Lord Byron. He the
name of his YouTube channel is called my Apotheosis, and
like it's almost like you're creating an apotheosis of the mind,
which is just kind of like recognizing your godhood essentially, right,

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you know, recognized, sometimes recognize. So this article will cover
a few aspects of the shadow. These topics include neurosis
of the shadow, individuation, and making peace with the shadow,
which is what a lot of this episode's going to
be about anyway. So this is a beautiful segue. So
this is an awesome quote by Carl Jung. He goes,

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if we understand anything of the unconscious, we know that
it cannot be swallowed. We also know that it is
a it is dangerous to suppress it because the unconscious
is life, and this life turns against us if suppressed,
as happens in neurosis.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
M you could push it down deep, but it's coming up.
He ain't drowning at some point. Ain't drowning. That's just
it's just.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Not gonna happen, right, so uh, because otherwise this is
a perfect example Bill Cosby. Okay, on the surface, he
was America's dad. He was the nicest guy anybody ever
heard of, and everybody wanted to be like him whenever
they grew up. I mean, it's so funny. He was
a hard worker, he had a big family. He was

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a family man, you know what I mean. But what
did he do. He suppressed himself from whatever he was
dealing with, and ultimately, you know, kind of manifested in
the worst possible way. But maybe if he wouldn't have
suppressed that and you know, didn't shame himself or his ego,
didn't shame his unconscious, maybe it wouldn't have gotten to

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that point and at all.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
M hmm, because what he was doing and whatever it
was deemed unacceptable you know. I mean, I don't know
the full story about all that, you know what I
mean to get into that, but like, yeah, dude, well
I mean he was drugging chicks to rape up. That's
kind of yeah, that's kind of yeah, that's unacceptable. But
you know what I mean, how do you work that out?

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Well? I don't know. I mean, what I'm saying is
is that I think that it probably started as a
baby and it grew into a giant monster andything else,
and and it grew into that. How do you have
dealt with it? At first? You know, it's kind of like,
you know, like your oil light comes on in your
car and you're like, all right, all right, and then

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you've kind of forget about it and you push it
off a month, and then next thing, you know, your
engine goes you know what I mean, And now you've
got an oil leak, and you got all these other problems.
And if you would have just put a chord in it,
you know what I mean, just throw a chord in
the fucking thing.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Right. Yeah, Like for Bill Cosby, maybe it was just
feet at first, you know what I mean, But it
was unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Who knows, no, dude, what I mean, hey, as Jacob
always says, we're not gonna yuck somebody's young, but you know,
I mean we can yuck is young. You know what
it eventually turned into. But anyway, we're not sticking on
Bill Cosby. So Carl Jung discovered that the shadow can
provide great insight and revelation. He also knew that it

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can do a lot of damage to one psyche if
it's not integrated. So repression or failure to embrace the
shadow is a recipe for psychological trouble. The shadow cannot
be destroyed, and even if it is repressed into the darkness,
its tentacles will still surface. So below are a few
examples of what these tentacles may look like to an observer.

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Oh oh fuck, yeah, dude, So there's the psychological projection.
Psychological projection is the projection of one's own shadow traits
upon someone else or even a group of people. Psychological
projection serves as a defense mechanism which temporarily alleviates someone

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from the pains of facing their own shadow. Projections may
even occur unconsciously or unintentionally. Psychological projection can be considered
a neurosis because if gone unchecked, it can decrease one's
quality of life. Those who constantly project their shadow upon
others will often drive those people away unintentionally and end

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up wondering why they are lonely.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
That makes sense, man, Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
I mean I can think of a few people not
to be judgmental, but so anyway, I mean, we've all
kind of been there anyway. So the next one is
the over identification with persona. This is a big one.
So people just identifying with their ego too much, and
they just completely drown out everything else or not even

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their ego, like the ego that they want to be.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
Right, and they're not even their true self anymore, dude,
not even you know, they're just amplifying, building that thinging
up whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Over identification with the persona is a trait of non
integrated shadow. Individuals with this sort of shadow repression can
appear superficial or lacking in depth. This is because they
are only presenting a small portion of their personality to
the world. Over identification with the persona may be seen
in someone who only discusses certain topics, such as work,

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at more intimate social gatherings or with family. This person
may also exhibit a more than typical amount of pride
for their own achievements. Many of these over expressions are
due to insecurity, which is another symptom of a non
integrated shadow. Yeah, yep, some people just love the brag.

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And you're like, man, nobody gave you a hug when
you were a kid, you know, right right, Nobody ever
told you a good job. It's like, I kind of
feel it out, man. Nextly is the lack of emotional intimacy.
Individuals with non integrated shadows can appear guarded, especially in

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friendships and romantic relationships. For the partner, it may seem
that it is nearly impossible to get past a certain
level in knowing them. It begins to appear that the
relationship is lacking depth and may begin to dissolve the bond.
A great modern example of this is the case and
the TV show called Dexter. Dexter is a serial killer
who attempts to maintain the appearance of a normal life.

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Dexter has a lot of trouble with intimate relationships because
he is unable to share his shadow side the murderer,
with even his closest partners. This repression and hiding of
the shadow causes a lot of internal stress for dexter
and often leads to the dissolution of relations hips. It's
a good example.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
I mean, yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Then there's the shadow exhibitions. So in some cases, a
repressed shadow may force itself out from someone and take
control of their personality for periods of a time. Oh.
In the extreme cases, this can cause anti social behaviors,
such as considerations to do harm or violence. In less

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extreme cases, shadow traits may come out as rudeness or
ill intent. Have you ever been around someone who rubs
you the wrong way even though you haven't done anything
wrong to them? They may be a shadow possessed and
giving off bad energy because of their own discomfort. If
you are able to maintain a psychological distance from them,

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you can see this behavior for what it is and
decrease its influence upon you.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Now, that's a demon, you know what I mean? If
something like that, something that powerful within your own mind
is going to take over and force you to do
something that you didn't even really want to do. Man,
that's a that's a demon possession.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
That's the shadow made manifest.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
And what's a demon more than just negative thoughts anyways,
you know, as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
I mean, it is literally your subconscious that is like
rebelling against you. Mhm, it's what it's kind of, I believe.
What's going on? Nick? What are your thoughts, sir?

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I think, yeah, well, if all his mind, then those
things are you know, can be real in a sense,
you know, they can be real and of your own
mind and have their own influence as well. Does that
make sense?

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (26:37):
On ndred percent.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
And I like, I don't know, I was I have
a picture in my head of like like there's definitely
thought forms that are of your creation, and then that
probably exists outside of your creation that even kind of
have their own consciousness that exists outside of just around
you from your own mind in the astral I guess right, yeah,

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And I think that we are all existing within that
soup and kind of like a fluid dynamic, and you
have your own kind of aura field that you're interacting
with all of that through like on a daily basis.
And I was thinking I was getting the visualization of
like you know how like in like Dragon ball Z

(27:22):
or whatever the hell, they have that kind of like
aura that goes around them mm hmm. I feel like
that's what you have all the all around you. And
then there's the ether that has these entities and things
that can or can't influence into your field. And like
you know how whenever you put like a rock in
the water, there's like you know, like vortices that start

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going around if the water's flowing across your field. I
think those repressions and suppressions and things, they mess up
the protection layer of your field and it allows those
things to like influence to get through.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Yeah that makes.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Sense, yes, one hundred percent. Yeah, absolutely that, you know what,
And I was able to visualize that in my own
mind as you were describing it, so very good.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
It also makes sense too, you know when if you're
in that state and you, let's say your aura or
whatever that field is is weakened, you know what I mean,
that's when all of a sudden you start to make
yourself sick, you know what I'm saying, whether it be
stress or or what have you.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Oh, big facts dude. Yeah, it's it's crazy what the
mind is capable of. Like, I don't care how crazy
AI will get. It is, it will never even come
close to the human mind. It can't. I mean, yeah,
it might know certain information, but it's not capable of

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affecting the world the way that we do as individuals
exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
And you know, and another thing that I think of,
as far as the mind being that powerful, the one
thing that that really hit me hard was when we
did the whole Placebo episode. You know, like that right
there is just like you just heal yourself with your mind,
but you have to truly believe it, of course, you
know what I mean, Like that's the only you know,
what I'm saying, the only boy on that is actually
believing in the fact that you will be healed.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
I mean, you truly believe it whenever you're making yourself sick,
don't you absolutely? You know, it's not a matter of belief,
it's a knowing at that point exactly.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
And this is another example, you know, like let's say, well,
because I you know, I vape or whatever, and if
I can't find my vape, especially in the morning for
whatever reason it's not where I put it, I start
like getting this like anxiety, you know, I need my
vape or whatever. As soon as I find it, all
of that fades away and I feel better and I
haven't even hit the vape yet, you know, it's just

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my mind just made my body put it into that
that whatever, that flight state, you know where I'm like
panicky for a minute.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah. Yeah, well, and honestly, that's why I would like
to eventually just break out of all of my habits,
like all the bad attachments. I think that, Yeah, the
attachments for sure, but like just bad habits that you
know that you don't even think about, but you still
do them, you know. Like I mean, I don't know what.
You hit the vape like a thousand times a day.

(30:09):
I'm conscious of maybe thirty of them, you know what
I mean, Like I don't think about it. But anyway, Yeah,
it's it's crazy what the mind is capable of and
and like what it's capable of, like as far as
running in the background, because the background actually controls more
of your life than even what's in the forefront.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Hmm, absolutely, dude. It kind of reminds me of the
code running through the laser light, you know what I'm saying,
Like that's the thing that's always going and we just
can't see it.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, though, did you see did you see Danny Gohler
actually got hooked up to the brain notes, dude, and
he did the test. Nick, did you see that?

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah? I think I commented on his he was doing
the d mt X where he was doing the the
intravenious things. Yeah, and then I commented on it for science.
I guess. God, dude, I want to try it on
like a high high four eco dose too. To be honest,

(31:09):
I bet I bet you could get there too.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Bro, give me four aco for twelve hours. I will
never get tired of it. Yeah, I mean I I mean,
you know, if I got kids, you know, why not?

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Why does Jonathan just look like a wizard?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Now? Hotel Nice?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Nice, It's been a little minute. I'm waiting until I
come out to Arizona and hang out with John.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Yeah, it's gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
So nextly we get into the insecurity as far as
the shadow. So, if one is unable to accept their shadow,
it can lead to low self esteem. If an individual
brands and labels certain parts of themselves as dirty or embarrassing,

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it can lead to it generally negative self perception. If
left untreated, this negative self perception is capable of enveloping
one's entire psyche. This could produce symptoms such as anxiety
and depression. It is important to alleviate shadow insecurities by
acknowledging and accepting shadow traits and working to transform them

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into positive aspects of our personalities.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
So damn dude, and that kind of thing, you know,
that'll be like on a loop. You know what I'm saying.
You're not obviously you're not consciously doing it, But I
feel like that that just kind of loops around and
just keeps reminding you. You know, you're you're a piece
of shit. You're a piece of shit, you know what
I mean. And then before you know it, that is
your identity and that is your reality.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, well then you start just like believing it, you know.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
You accept it. Yeah, It's like you.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Know, like for me, like I'm I'm not gonna lie
at like my my last month or whatever that I've
been in Texas. I was like, I'm gonna eat whatever
I want. I'm gonna do, I'm gonna be I'm gonna
just focus on work, I'm gonna focus on the kids,
and I'm gonna eat whatever I want. Because whenever I
go out to Arizona, it's fucking game time. That's the

(33:09):
way my mentality has been going right, and so like
i'd just been packing on way, which is not good,
and like today I ordered pizza Hut literally brought the
worst thing for you, right.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Though. But I'm like regretted instantly.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
But I allowed myself to do that, you know what
I'm saying, because I'm like, all right, I gotta get
it out of me, because whenever I get out there,
I'm not doing it. I'm I'm I'm gonna be doing
straight carnivore whenever I get out.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
There, going carnivore.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm doing right now.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Hell yeah, I was thinking about doing something similar and
just eating months of days.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
I'm like a weekend on straight sausage and salmon.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Oh nice, dude, Honestly, you're looking so swol right now.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
That's what it is, sexy.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Dude, Honestly, Like I could survive on steak and eggs.
Steak and eggs every day, I'll dip I'll dip my
steak into the yo and then eat the whites all day.
I could live on that.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
So much more powerful and like strong, you know when
you've been doing that for a few months solid.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah, well, body strong and like mentally tough mind.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah, big time, definitely.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
So another quote by Carl Jung here he goes, the
shadow is a living part of the personality, and therefore
it wants to live it wants to live with it
in some form. It cannot be argued out of existence
or rationalized into harmlessness. Hmm oh damn. So you have

(34:36):
to integrate it. So Carl Jung realized that mental balance
cannot exist without a direct confrontation with the shadow. This confrontation.
Confrontation requires an individual to explore and acknowledge every aspect
of their shadow, no matter how grotesque it may be.
The act of simply acknowledging shadow traits and accepting them
into reality will bring more balance to the mental landscape.

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It is even possible to channel these shadow energies into
positive energy or bring them fully into the light where
they belong. This process of internal work can lead to
a tremendous increase in success and inner satisfaction. It is
not easy to undergo the process of shadow integration, though
the fruits are worth the challenge. You know how they

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say keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
You know what I mean? Don't let that then go
too far? Astray to where you can't see it. Now
it's in the shadows, and now you're like, oh shit,
where'd you go? And then all of a sudden that
thing is just becoming its own entity. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Basically, so, shadow work is the practice of facing one's
own unconscious through the practice of introspection. This can be
done with the help of psychoanalysis or through more individual
efforts such as meditation. Carl Jung practice his own psychoanalytic
psychoanalytic techniques with his patients. Young also suggested that there

(35:59):
are many ways for one to access their own shadow
by themselves. Shadow work is a unique process for every individual.
Then it gets into the four basic steps in youngie
in shadow work, which is number one, which is accept
the truth that our shadow traits cannot be repressed out
of existence. Number two, introspect and accept the root of
each shadow trait. Number three, work to bring aspects of

(36:22):
shadow traits into the light, and finally number four allows
shadow traits to express themselves in healthy ways.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Gotta go in word, man, you know you can't look
out to try to fix what's on the inside.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
I mean, if Dexter would have just got a hunting license,
you know what I mean. Yeah, just I mean you
can go butcher all that up anyway. I mean, hey,
you'd save money on that.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Do it with precision or however you like.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, So, the unconscious mind can be excessed in a
variety of ways, from traditional meditation to more experimental forms
such as psychedelics. Any confrontation with the unconscious is beneficial,
even the scarier experiences. Dreams are also another great way
of accessing the unconscious and and another highly effective method

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of shadow work is active introspection. Active introspection allows you
to speak with and gain knowledge from the characters that
compose your mind.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Oh, I got a few of them in there. I'm
sure of it.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Uh huh, Yeah, I think we all do. What was damn?
What is that guy with the roundtable?

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Nigel Perman? Yes, locked in, dude, I wasn't gonna let
that happen again, Nigel embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
We let that slip once?

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Yeah, not again.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
So I think maybe Nigel's on some ship. So anyway, Yeah,
that was I just wanted to touch a little bit
on Carl Jung there a little bit. And now we're
going to get into some of those myths, some of
the archetypes, some of the deities and their possible representation,
as as for maybe why the quote unquote mythmakers decided

(38:02):
to write.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Them in absolutely and why they resonate so hard hard. Yes.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
So firstly, and these are in no specific order. Firstly,
we're going to get to Egypt and we're going to
get to Set, the lord of chaos.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Right.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
You always hear about Set, you know, he's always a demon,
always a devil, always, Yeah, dude. So the myth goes
that Set, who is the brother of Osiris, envied his
siblings rule. He tricked Osiris into lying in a coffin,
sealed it, and then cast it into the Nile River. Later,

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he tore Osiris's body into fourteen pieces and scattered them
across the land. Through this act, Set became the god
of storms, deserts, and disorder. Set was demonized in later Egypt,
but early traditions honored him. He defended Ra, the sun god,
against the chaos serpent Apophis or a Pophus. Set was

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dangerous but necessary. The desert that destroyed was also the
desert that purified. So in the psyche, Set is our chaos, envy, rage, destruction,
but destruction is not only an ending, it's a clearing
set teaches us that storms are frightening, but storms also
renew the world within us. He says, face the chaos

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and you will find your strength.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Damn Ain't that's the truth? Man? And the desert being
the mind itself? You know what I mean? This is
all symbolic.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Oh dude, Yeah, it's like the whole biblical story about shit.
Who was it now that led them out? Nick helped
me out here. Who was it that that led the
people out of the desert that were in there for
forty days?

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Moses?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Moses? Yes, I'm sorry, total brain fart on that one.
So Moses was like walking around with these people for
the longest time in the desert, you know, trying to
help them cross, you know, to escape Egypt, right, and
and I think that I think that they actually ended
up going back or something like that. I don't remember
the whole story. It's a crazy ass story. But then
eventually they end up getting to Mount Sinai And that's

(40:18):
whenever the whole the Ten Commandments was created. And as
as they're waiting for Moses to come back down the mountain,
because nobody knows how long he was up there, but
I guess he was up there for a hot minute,
and everybody started worshiping the Golden calf, right, and then
Moses comes back down and you know, allegedly, God says

(40:39):
I'm just going to kill them, and Moses is like, no, no,
don't do that. Let me give him a chance or whatever.
But then Moses gets down there and like kills him himself.
It's kind of strange.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
It's like, I don't know anyway, I don't take no
shit from nobody. He's like, look, dude, let's just off him.
You know what I mean. It's nothing. It's nothing for me.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
So next story we have would be in Norse. Okay,
I love the Norse shit, So of course whenever we're
talking about Norse, we got to talk about Loki the Trickster.
So the myth goes that Loki was the blood brother
to Odin, not the actual brother, but the blood brother.

(41:25):
You remember those movies where like you share blood with
each other, now you're blood brother. Yeah, it's like that.
So so he is the blood brother to Odin. Neither
fully God nor fully giant. He deceived, he shaped, shifted,
and birth monsters fen rear the wolf. Oh, I'm let

(41:45):
me try and get this word right. Hormon, hormone, gander,
I think, who is the world serpent? And worst of all,
he tricked the blind god h o O R. I'm
sure it's not said horror, but horror. I don't know,
you know how they talk anyway, He tricked the blind

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God into kill, into killing Balder, the beloved son of
odin setting Ragnarok into motion. Yet Loki was not purely evil.
Time and again, his wit saved the gods as often
as it doomed them. He was unpredictable, necessary, and dangerous.
In us, Loki is the inner saboteur, the part that

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disrupts plans, mocks the seriousness, and dances at the edges
of order. He destabilizes us, but in doing so, he
keeps us alive. Loki reminds us that rigidity is death
and chaos is renewal.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Dude, he might be one of my favorites now, I think.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Dude, if he's one of your favorites, you have to
go watch the Loki series on Disney.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
I know, I know, it was like a long time ago.
When it first came out. I put on the first
two episodes and then for whatever reason just stopped watching it.
And it was good too.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
I don't have no stopped, dude, it's so fucking good.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Definitely watched the Loki series and then Jonathan, You've got
to watch the god A movie.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yes, I will, thank you, Nick, Thank you Nick. Hey,
I just got I just got done watching his Dark Materials,
which was awesome, and I love that great show. Yeah,
loved it. A lot of like actors that I knew
in there too. What was his name? The guy that
played Professor X, the young Professor X. I can never

(43:28):
remember what the hell his name was, but anyway, Yeah,
I know what you're talking about. Yeah, and the main
character is the girl that played u X twenty three.
If you've ever seen Logan, she's like, she's the the
little girl.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
I didn't realize that.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah, dude, so good. But anyhow, so setting Ragnarrock into
motion so he wasn't purely evil, and he reminds us
that chaos is renewal. So the we write these these
characters into the stories. Look, you can sit there and
you can believe that all of this stuff literally happened.

(44:06):
That's totally fine. Nobody's gonna judge. You, it's totally okay, right,
because what you believe is the truth as far as
your reality goes. Nobody's gonna tell you that you're wrong.
I mean, some people are gonna tell you that you're wrong,
but obviously they can fuck themselves. But that being said,
if you were to look at them, just as the
overarching story of all, right, what does this archetype represent

(44:28):
and why does it exist? You know, Like, here's my thing, Like,
if God is all love and God knows everything, he
had to have known that the devil was gonna exist.
He had to have known, you know, that that earth
was going to be the devil's playground, and that the
devil would be there to tempt everybody and all that

(44:49):
kind of stuff. This is why I don't take these
stories literally because literally, in my mind, they don't make
any damn sense. No one equals a thousand in this.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
If you take that literally, it seems like a kind
of a cruel God to me. You know, like as
you were saying, if he's an all knowing God, then
he would know that his creation, which would be people,
you know what I mean, us are going to have
that sinful nature. And so where do we get that
sinful nature from then from God, you know, like who invented?
Who created the nature that is sin? That would be God.

(45:23):
And if he knew that we were going to adopt
that that nature, then why are we being punished for
you know what I'm saying, Like, it just doesn't.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Wind for me.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, why write it into the script of possibilities?

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Right? Exactly?

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Is my point.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
They've been done a better way.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
If he's all knowing, you could have just said, look,
every time you sin, I'm gonna make sure you have
blue poop, and that way you'll know that you sin.
But no, whenever you sin now you go to eternal hell.
It's like what, No, come on, you know it doesn't mean.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
And then going back to the whole polarity and duality,
it's because it had to be that way, you know
what I mean, right.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
And that's why it's very important to understand it for
the myth first and then after if you want to
believe it, that's fine. But anyhow, so, yeah, we had Loki.
Next we have meso America with the name that I
mentioned earlier, Test Katlepoca. I'm sure I'm butchering that, but
so test Cattlepoca was the rival to ketsaquatdle. I didn't

(46:23):
know that who was the Aztec god of knight, sorcery, jaguars,
and fate. He was called smoking mirror, this test Catpolca
because of the obsidian mirror that he carried, a mirror
that showed truth, but it was distorted, shifting, and filled
with smoke.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Oh, I mean, I think he he kind of represents
the illusion. You know what I'm saying that the veil
that we put over our own lens.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Literally smoking mirrors, literally smoking was there. So tes kytle
Lopoca once trick cats a Quaddle into becoming drunk and disgraced,
driving him into exile. He was not just a deceiver,
but the embodiment of destiny, the reminder that humans are flawed, mortal,
and bound by fate. Psychologically, Teskylepoca is the mirror of self.

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He shows us what we refuse to see, our distortions,
our vices, our false masks. In facing him, we strip
away illusion and glimpse our own raw truth.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Damn, get rid of.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
The smoke and mirrors.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
Great, that's great, dude, Look to build down man.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
You can't you can't like deceive your subconscious that's the
thing that a lot of people would like you think
that you can just like drown it out and deceive it,
and no, that's not there, and you know, like that
kind of stuff. The thing is is that your subconscious
is running ninety nine percent of the time and your
conscious mind, if you're lucky, he's running one percent.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Mm hmm. Yeah. So your subconscious mind can conceive, can
deceive your conscious mind rather right.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
I mean we always talk about it, like how we
have sixty thousand thoughts in a day, right, how many
do you remember? Maybe one hundred? At dude, If you
remember a hundred of your thoughts, you're going great, right.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
A fraction of those aren't from your conscious mind. They're
just flowing by, dude, like the system is just throwing
possibilities out just constantly because the brain is doing what
it does, you know what I mean. It's like, right, shit,
how many of those are you actually conscious of?

Speaker 1 (48:28):
But the subconscious But the subconscious catches all of them.
That's the point, and that's why you can't deceive it
because it knows you better than you know you.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Oh shit, that's familiar.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah, yeah, a little ben so, Yeah, that is uh,
your boy, or girl. I don't know, tescatlepoca.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
All right.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Next we have Hebrew mysticism as far as uh Samael
the accuser Samuel in myth. In Jewish text, rather, Samuel
is called the venom of God. He appears as an
angel and a demon, the accuser, the tempter, the angel

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of death. In some traditions, he is the serpent in Eden,
all right. In others he's the one who takes souls
from the body at death. Samael is not rebellion for
its own sake. His role is. His role is trial.
He is the prosecutor in the divine court. But and

(49:30):
he's testing humanity strengths. He is I'm sorry this is
written really strange. Basically he is He's there to tempt
but not destroy. He's there to reveal, so temptation to
reveal essentially not trying to kill you, but just trying

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to be, you know, to help you pull your head
out of your ass and so that you can kind
of look at the world in a different perspective. In
that sense, all right, because what was it like people
have to go through like you always hear, like bad
things always happen to good people. And I think the
reason behind that is because, like you know, you need

(50:12):
something bad to happen to you in order for you
to shift your perception, because think about it, whenever you're
going through something so terrible. And you know, we were
kind of talking a little bit about Chris bledso earlier,
but like, look at all the crazy shit that Chris
Bledsoe had to go through in his life, right, and
and there is nothing like I mean, that's the thing.

(50:33):
Obviously what eventually ended up happening happened to him, and yeah,
that's just how that story goes.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
But just saying, sometimes my internet broke up. Dude, my bad.
Oh you're good to know what was happening. I didn't
hear anything you just said.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Oh, I was just talking about Chris bloods So how
he had to go through a lot of trials and
tribulations which eventually led him to seeing the orbs and
all that kind of stuff. So but you hear about
that kind of shit all the time, you know. So nextly, oh,
here we go. So inside us, Samuel is the critic,

(51:08):
the doubter, the harsh voice that challenges us. He is
poison and medicine to face. Samuel is to discover whether
we yield or whether we will yield to weakness or
rise into resilience.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Oh, so that would be the medicine. And I was like, well,
how is that and all of the medicine. But if
you're able to see that for what it is and
rise above that, then now you're doing better than you
would have. Okay, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Yeah yeah, And and it just reminds me of that
story that I told I don't know, maybe a month
ago about this one guy who he had on the
Cult of Conspiracy and and he what is his name?
Dev demon eraser shout out, He's a stone Love that guy, right, dude,
He's like he's like helping perform exorcisms and all this
kind of crazy shit. Oh yeah, he's a fucking savage.

(51:56):
I mean, I'm not think what you want about exorcisms,
but that's not the point. He believes it. And so
but he said, so this before he was like a
Christian or whatever, he was just always being tempted by
the devil and all these all these things that like
are reminiscent of how the devil or the demons would
tempt you, right, and he was like having you know,

(52:18):
confrontations with these with these you know, evil with these
evil people and stuff, right, and and and he goes
these people like these demons and this devil is so stupid,
Like they only made me want to go be with God.
They only turned they turned me into a Christian. And
I was like, yes, of course they did. That was

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their role. Like, think about think about the inverse of that.
It's like, why would a demon exist only to like
scare the shit out of you, scare you into being
a Christian.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
Yeah, that seems a little silly now.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
I mean, they're supposed to be opposites. I mean, you
would think that the demons would be trying to you know,
re you in you know, but here they are. They're
doing the Lord's work for.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
Them, hearing you into Okay, all right, yeah, I dude.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
So I don't know, I thought that was pretty interesting.
But anyway, So the Greek in Greek, we have Hades,
the lord of the underworld. So the story goes that
when the world was divided, Zeus took the sky, Poseidon
took the sea, and Hades took the underworld. He was
not death itself, but the ruler of the dead. His

(53:30):
most famous tale is the abduction of persephone shout out,
we just did show on her, which brought the seasons
into being life cycles of death and rebirth. Unlike later
notions of Hell, Hades, Hades' realm was not punishment. All souls,
noble or base entered his kingdom. His power was inevitability.

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In us, Hades is the voice of mortality. He says
that every moment matters because time does run out. Eventually.
He is feared but fair. So to face Hades is
to accept that death is not an end but a transformation.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Oh shit, dude, but inevitable, you know, like, holy shit,
I've experienced that, man, you know, just that whole thought
of my own mortality, and like, you know, I know,
we go into it a lot, and I think I've
I've come a long way as far as like I'm
really not fearing death, but like just that thought of
like eventually and maybe hopefully one day when I'm older

(54:30):
and maybe in my sleep, you know what I mean,
would be preferable. But like just the thought of the
inevitability of that is Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
That's cool, dude, you know what. I actually think that
that's what the what the end? So it was yesterday
and today that the rapture was supposed to happen. Did
you hear about this craziness?

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (54:47):
I heard about that, did a whole show on it.
Wild Oh did you dude? Crazy?

Speaker 4 (54:52):
I guess we got left behind then, you know, yeah,
which makes sense.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
I think everybody got left behind, So I guess we're
all But I I was, I was, you know, looking
into all that, and I was like, man, nobody knows
the time, the day, or the hour, and then eventually
your soul will be guided to heaven. Doesn't that just
sound like death?

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Doesn't that just sound like like the rapture is what
happens when you die?

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Mm hmmm yep, like it's gonna happen to everybody.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Everybody.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Yeah, nobody's escaping that.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
I mean, some people go first and then seven years
later everybody else does supposedly. I don't know, but yeah,
And the word rapture isn't even in the Bible. Why
the fuck are these people believe in this stuff? You know,
it's kind of crazy, Nick, What are your thoughts there?

Speaker 2 (55:39):
For the record, I do think personally that there is
going to be something like that, not necessarily rapture Christians
only type of thing, but like you know, ascension shift,
you know, some sort of event like that. That that event,
that moment, that thing I think has been prophesized by

(55:59):
many cultures in many different ways, not just that that's
just one interpretation of it, I think, and and I do.
I do really think that there's something like that around
the corner, to be honest, But it's just not in
the not with all the dogma. Could it?

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Could it not just be the second Coming of Jesus,
which some people would just say that that is like
christ consciousness, you know, elevating you know, people's minds and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Well, it is definitely going to come with a consciousness,
let's call it a consciousness upgrade.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Uh uh.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
And but that the biblical version is talking about like
a new heaven and a new Earth. So it's not
necessarily like it's like a total separation of like light
and dark essentially, is what it comes down to.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
It's like what Dolores Cannon talked about too.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yeah, it's like it's it's literally like leaving this world behind,
leaving the evil of this world behind with itself to
a new Earth.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Do you think that that Do you think that that's
up to the individual to be able to perceive that.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I think, if you have light in your heart and
you're not evil, it'll be like an instantaneous shift. And
then even at and then from the people that I
guess don't make the first wave, it would be something
that would be apparent for them that like people are missing.
And then once they realize what's going on, if they

(57:35):
can kind of dig deep then and realize that there's
like light that they can call on still, then even
they can figure it out and make that jump eventually.
And then for the most depraved out there, I think
they just have to ride it out. And with all
of the light gone from there, if I think it's
going to get pretty uh what's the word, like post

(57:59):
apocalyptic desolate?

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Well, the reason I ask is because I almost feel
as if either that shift is happening or already happened
at like personally, you know, if we're just looking at
like psychologically, and maybe it's just up to the individual
and stuff, but I dude, I talk to some of
like my old friends that I had to take a
step away from. I mean just sad and depressed and

(58:25):
borderline maniacal, you know, and and I just had to
get away from that because it was starting to like
feed into me. And and you know, I talk to
them every so often. I'm not like, you know, canceling
them or anything like that, but every time I call them,
I'm almost reminded of another life. Yeah, you know, yeah,
because my life is not consistent of those kind of

(58:46):
people anymore.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Yeah. I think that there's two things happening. Like there
is people that are on the awakening path that are
you know, they're following their like kind of highest soul
plan path, and that's one that we're on, and it
is diverging, and some people kind of chose the sleeping
path for this last round, I think. And uh, And

(59:11):
I think there's that going on and the consolidation of
like multiple parallel kind of lives all combining into one
where it's which is why we're getting so much more
deja vu. And you know, that kind of thing happening
as well. But I think there is gonna be uh,

(59:32):
it's gonna be like more of an instantaneous kind of thing, uh,
like in a blink of an eye kind of deal.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Will that be when the aliens make themselves known.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Right after that? Actually?

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Yeah, all right, I kind of I kind of figured
it'd be something like that, because I feel like COVID
really woke a lot of people up like that was
I think that that's where it began, to be honest.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
With you, speaking of going through some ship, you know
what I mean to to waken.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
No literally like and but but because it comes with
a consciousness like understanding as well, Like that's the only
way that everyone's going to be able to be on
the same page with the interaction with them on that
kind of level. Otherwise it would be everyone arguing semantics
on beliefs and X, Y and Z if it doesn't
come with like it's basically like a consciousness understanding manual

(01:00:19):
like download, so where everyone's on the same page, it
isn't scared and is it you know, fear based. And
that's whenever they're going to be able to like say, hey,
here's kind of what's going on, here's you know, here's
the deal. But it's like that's that's the only way
that you could think about having open contact where it

(01:00:39):
wouldn't be like chaotic.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Yes, yes, And I've heard people talk about this too,
and it just kind of reminds me of just like Mass,
Like you hear about like Mass hypnosis, right, like that
was the whole thing with all the COVID jabs and
all that kind of shit. But like I almost look
at it as if it's like, could it be like
a massnsis, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
That's what's It'll be a mass notice, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Yeah, it's like the aliens won't have to let us
know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
We'll just know, yeah, and then and they'll have actually
a hand in that happening as well. It's like a
it's a it's a concerted efforts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Something's definitely. Yeah, there's something definitely going on, you know,
just with I think with social media and there's a
lot of people out there that are able to express
their own opinion and express their own voice and and
kind of come in contact with other like minded people
to be able to delve deeper into this theory or
that theory and stuff like that. And yeah, I think

(01:01:41):
that it's just like it's it's that time. And then
you add in like, dude, these this orbit situation that
is happening every fucking night to hundreds of thousands, if
not millions of people that are going outside and seeing
these things. This is relatively new, you know what I'm
saying like that hasn't been happening forever. Maybe maybe it

(01:02:03):
happens in like spurts or whatever. But and maybe you know,
certain people interpreted them as you know, chariots a fire
or you know, wheels with eyes or something like that
in the past. But I think that, like especially now, dude,
you don't have to rely on an initiated individual in
order to go out and look up in the sky
and see these things and what that does to your mind.

(01:02:25):
Like my first night that I saw those with you
in Baton Rouge, Dude, that opened something in me, like
on some real shit, Like it blew my deam. I
couldn't stop looking.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
At it and us talking about talking about it like
the way that we are for other people listening. It's
like it does. It has that kind of you know,
ripple effect and it goes and spreads, and like you know,
is the more you open up, the more that you
open up, the more that they they know, like like
on levels that you would not believe, but they understand

(01:02:57):
what you're ready for or open to or not. And
the more that you're like, you know what, I'm gonna
just humble myself and like you know, just be open
to like seeing something you'll be surprised. And they told
me over the past, you know, a few years, that
you know that this kind of shit would be happening

(01:03:18):
more and more and more, And it has been more
and more and more, you know, and it's been cool.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Well, I'll tell you what though. The message is definitely
getting out there, and I think that it's growing because
and I usually don't like to talk about this kind
of stuff because I don't know if anybody even really cares.
But dude, we I mean, Meta Mysteries has grown quite
the listening base over the last year or so. Dude,
we're averaging about like five thousand people watching each episode

(01:03:45):
like on average, which is great. So I think that
a lot of people are starting to become a little
bit more open minded to this kind of stuff, you know,
and and not necessarily looking at it like it's demonic
or you know, we're Satan worshipers and do to be honest, dude,
I'm about to get to the point over there on
the Cult of Conspiracy that's my baby, don't get me wrong,
but I'm about to get to the point where I'm

(01:04:06):
just about to start admitting that I'm i worship Satan,
like I'm about to start doing it. I have been.
I have been pushed to the edge so far over there,
like I like, I'm almost tired of explaining myself, you know,
and I'm just like to the point where it's like, look,
you really want to know what I think? Come over
to Meta. If not, I'm not gonna sit here and

(01:04:28):
just be judged every damn episode by another religious person,
not only just Jacob. I mean it's everybody else too.
But yeah, I can't tell you, dude. There was this
one person that was like, Jacob, how can you call
yourself a man of God? And then you have Jonathan
as your co host on the show. You need to
find a new co host.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
I was like, oh my goodness, I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Thank you, thank you. I was like, I just wanted
to say, like, bro, I created that, Like Jacob didn't
like pick me. I just want everybody to know that,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
But anyway, it's just a heathen and you, dude, you
know you can't help it. I can't what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
That's interesting as far as what when Nick was saying,
you know, as far as being open to that sort
of thing, because you know, back in the day, Like
years ago, man, I used to look at the sky
all the time like for and maybe it was for
the wrong reasons. I think it was like a kind
of just a fun thing, like uh, the idea or
the thought experiment of the possibility of aliens existing, you know,

(01:05:28):
and to me it was exciting, it was fun and
I never saw anything really like worth mentioning. And then
all of a sudden, you come and show me something
and I see it, and it's like and in the
time of my life where I'm at least, I felt
like I was evolving and becoming, you know, a little
more understanding of certain things, you know, and then all

(01:05:49):
of a sudden, you know, I see him all the time,
you know, but not or nothing, but like, I've never
seen anything like that before. But all of a sudden,
it's a thing. You know. It's like, what do you
do with that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Yeah? And it just started for me too, essentially, you know,
like we all kind of you know, all started on
that same path around the same time and then found
each other in that way. And you know, because I
had one experience with my friend whenever we were kids,
and actually, weirdly enough, like almost all of my friends

(01:06:21):
have like a weird UFO experience whenever they were like
ten to thirteen or whatever that you know, right around there,
all of them have like one that's like definitive that
they were like, yeah, we've always believed because of that
ever since, you know, I don't know, it's weird, but
ever since then. And then it was just nothing, nothing, nothing.
COVID started and then I was just like boom, I

(01:06:42):
have to know the truth. I have to get spiritual
out of nowhere like downloads, and I just started digging
and digging. Then everything happened, and then I started seeing shit,
and then now everyone else it's like, yeah, well, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
The beauty of that is that it's it almost it
inspires you to to learn a little bit more about
it because it's not gonna like it. I don't think
that it's it's going to like if you go out
and you see a UFO in the sky, like, it's
not going to give you the secrets of the universe
and help you understand yourself in this reality so much

(01:07:16):
more like just instantly by seeing it, but by looking
into these spiritual different modalities. What could the aliens be?
What have other people said about them? You know, what
can I do in my own meditation, in my own
shadow work and my own psychedelic work or whatever to
try and really understand the depths of it in which
we understand maybe what the hell we're looking at out

(01:07:36):
in the sky. And I think that it's it was
more like you know, initiatory, you know, seeing something crazy
in the sky spark something inside of you that says,
all right, I'm not crazy. I know what I saw.
And nobody's talking about this, and nobody, nobody, you know,
is really taking it as serious as we probably should.
And that's really where it starts. I think it's just

(01:07:57):
like it's the initial flame.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
Yeah, and see this. This is why I think that
it's for me personally. I feel like it's on an
individual level, you know, when I start to think about
like the collective or like everybody all of a sudden
seeing these things, which it could be that could be
the case, you know, But if, like you said, if
you're not looking into these things and really trying to
dig deep and meditate and really try to figure all
this out, like how is it going to Like what

(01:08:20):
about those other people that are you know, doing drugs
on the streets and shit like that, and if they're
not digging and trying to find their true self and
all this spiritual stuff, like, they're not going to have
the opportunity to witness something like that, you know. And
so when I start to think about the entire collective,
I just don't know how that. I don't know, I
just can't figure that out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Well, I think that it's ultimately just it's at the
bare minimum, there's going to be some kind of domino effect,
you know, whether somebody hears about a story or see
something for themselves and then they start looking into other
people who have seen something along those lines. And I
don't know, it's going.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
To be what's the word, oh shit, exponentially, yes, I mean,
it's gonna grow that way, and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
It could have It could also be like the hundredth
monkey syndrome, you know, like enough people see it to
where it just inevitably like becomes part of the subconscious
of the one consciousness.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
Right, And that makes a lot of sense, And that's
the one thing that we believe is still evolving within that,
you know, human is consciousness. Right, So yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Yes, yes, Which is kind of an interesting segue because
the next the next shadow we're going to be talking about.
Is Satan the adversary?

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
So in the myth in the book of job Ha,
Satan or ha Chetan, however, they say it is the accuser,
a heavenly prosecutor, not a fallen devil. Later he merged
with the story of Lucifer, cast out of heaven for pride.
By the Middle Ages, Satan was horn winged and terrifying,
the rebel against God, the tempter of mankind. Yet even

(01:10:06):
here his role is paradoxical. As adversary, he forces choice.
Satan tempts not to just corrupt you, but to reveal
what we truly value. So without him, there is no
test of will in us. Satan is temptation, the voice
offering shortcuts power, betrayal of the higher self. But in

(01:10:27):
resisting him we strengthen our spirit. Satan's shadow sharpens the soul. Okay,
that's a good one, all right, that's a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Which is this is something I was thinking about too,
you know, because I don't think it's a popular opinion,
you know, But as far as the the whole idea
of having Satan and all of these like things to
be afraid of, you know, we don't have the luxury
to know what this world would be like without that
being an idea and something that was written down and

(01:11:00):
put in the human psyche, you know what I'm saying.
And so just to give that it's fair shake, It's like,
who knows what the world would be like If everything
that happened before this didn't happen the way that it did,
it should have just.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Been another myth. We should be looking at it the
same way we look at the Greek gods, the same
way we look at the Hindu gods, the same way
we look at the Buddhist like like all of them.
We should be looking at it for the myth that
it is and understanding the story. But some people they
have to believe it in order to truly understand it.
But the thing is, they think that that's what's really

(01:11:34):
happening because they don't truly understand what the actual like
allegory of the whole thing actually is. They only know
that that's bad. I need to fear that, and anybody
that is with that I need to keep myself from,
which is not the moral of the fucking story.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
In the first place, certainly not what it's about, dude,
But but yeah, just to go back to what I
was saying, as far as it's like in the human psyche,
like everything worked out the way that it is now
because of everything that happened before this, and if people
took it literally and they were scared and whatever, you know,
people back then were fucking doing some wild shit, and
so I don't know. I mean, I guess it shook

(01:12:08):
out the way that it had to, you know, But
as far as like what you were saying, I wouldn't
take it to that extreme, you know what I'm saying,
Like you can't hang out with somebody because like how
dare you? Like that's just taking on that that whole
identity you know of, like you can't hang out with
certain people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Dude, if Jesus was around today, he would be hanging
out with the meth heads and the hoes. Like that's
just how it is. Yep, Like one hundred percent that's
who he was hanging out with. Back then he was
being judged by his group for hanging out with them,
because it's just like, you know, a good teacher it
should be proud that their worst student eventually evolves into

(01:12:44):
one of their top tier students, right right, Like that's
a good teacher. A bad teacher is like, this is
my number one student, and that that that dickhead in
the background that is always interrupting me and always interrupting
everybody else's attention. Don't I'm not gonna worry about him.
He's a lost soul. That's a bad teacher, right exactly.

(01:13:05):
So anyhow, anyhow, we go to Eastern the Eastern stories
here with Collie and the wrathful deities. So the myth
goes that Collie bursts onto the battlefield, black skinned, dripping
with blood, wearing a garland of skulls, she slays demons

(01:13:26):
with wild laughter, terrifying even the gods. Yet she is
worshiped as a mother, the one who destroys ego to
free the soul. In Tibet and Buddhism, wrathful deities roar
with monstrous faces and blazing flames. But beneath the terror
is compassion. They frighten away attachment, tearing down illusions. These

(01:13:48):
deities remind us that destruction is liberation. The fire that
burns away ego clears the way for truth. So in us,
Kallie is the raw power that strips away lies and
reveal what cannot die.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
The entity of awakening itself.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Dude, dude, collie, shout out, shout, that's a good one. Yeah.
And there's a bunch of those, like the Hindu and
Buddhist deities and stuff like that, Like almost all of
them are very good and very evil, right, like the
creator and the destroyer, right, Like a lot of them

(01:14:24):
are that way.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Yep, exactly. And then you get it capable both ways, yeah,
of course.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
And and the same thing goes for yahweh right, like yeah,
I what did he say? Like I create light and
create darkness? Right, It's it's the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
The allegory for your own mind. You're capable of doing
very harmful shit, or you can fucking wake up and
fucking do some lily good shit.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
You're capable, yes, yes, seeing it from a bird's eye view,
seeing it for what the story actually is. You know,
you got to get out of the ship and being
able to get you know, get a multi dimensional with it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
But there are universal tricksters as well, So every culture
has a has a trickster. Hermes was a thief. Coyote
was a joker on a nan, Si was a spider
never heard of a couple of those, but maybe we'll
do them one day. I mean, dude. And that's the
beautiful thing about the show. We are never going to
run on things to talk about because you literally have

(01:15:27):
thousands and thousands and thousands of years of mythology and
story and understanding and looking at it through all the
different lenses and everything. Like that's what I love about this, Like,
it's so much fun just unraveling at all.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
It's really fun to look at all of these old
stories and myths student and look at it for from
this point of view through this lens is so much more,
Like I get so much more out of it. It
makes sense, dude, you know, yeah, it's pertaining to the
human psyche. It's like, oh what you know what I mean?
Like course, yes, it makes so much sense.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Because you think about it, every single one of these
stories were written by a human. M So it had
to go through the lens of a human. What was
that human? What was that human dealing with in that time?
And how did they how did they, you know, immortalize
these these character traits that eventually turned into all of

(01:16:24):
these different people at this roundtable and what did they all? Uh,
you know what did they all have in them? Like
what did they all stand for? And that's the beauty
of it, Like just looking at them as the archetypes
of the mind that you know, Carl Jung was saying,
that's it. So anyhow, so Hermes, Coyote and a Nanzi,

(01:16:46):
they lied, they cheated, and made fools of gods and
men alike. They mocked authority, They broke boundaries and turned
sacred into comedy. But through chaos they reveal truth. Tricksters
mind us that life is not rigid, is not rigid order,
but wild play in us. The trickster is the spark

(01:17:07):
of mischief that refuses control, the laughter that reveals wisdom
in folly. Dude, I mean, just think about like the
and we're gonna get to it here in a minute.
But like the machinees, they're always pointing at you, They're
always laughing at you. Why are you taking yourself so
damn serious? You fool every single time?

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
As a matter of fact, I think I told this
story a long time ago, But I have this buddy
who he was kind of going through it. He had
a drug addiction problem and everything, and so he was
trying to get sober and he heard that one of
the best ways to try and get sober is to
do like a like a crazy psychedelic psychedelic trip. So
he went to try and do the craziest one out

(01:17:50):
of all of them, which was ayahuasca. Right, Okay, And
at this time he's trying to turn his life around.
He turned his hit. You know, he gave his life
to Christ and and all this stuff, and he was
a big believer, and he was going around and telling
all his friends like the truth about God and the
truth about Christ and you you can fix yourself. Look
what I did. And he was on a real good
role there for a while.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
Figured it out, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
So it helped, yeah, exactly. So he goes down to
Florida and goes into one of those you know mansions
that are doing ayahuasca ceremonies with the Shamans and whatnot.
And you got to be there all weekend. It's an
all weekend thing, right, And I'm sorry, I'm never doing it.
There's no like, there's no I have no way. No, really, dude,

(01:18:33):
I couldn't stand d MT for one minute.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
Right, I mean, you were in the void, though I
doubt you going to the void on ayahuasca.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Uh, it's probably worse actually really, yeah, I feel so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Whatever you do proper, proper, not double that time. I
think you'll have both much better time, even though you
maybe got what you not what you wanted at the
time and it worked out, you know, good in the end.
But there is a way cooler side of it that
is not as a traumatic as well.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
But yeah, maybe ayahuasca is way more hardcore.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Than ayahuasca is way less intense, but it's way longer.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
Okay, So if you are in the shadow, you're gonna
be there a minute, yeah, for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
You can do about it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
It's like way stronger than mushrooms though.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
Right, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Yeah, because mushrooms you'll be tripping for like seven hours.
Are like, my god, I just want to go to sleep.
Let me please, you know, I got ship to do.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
In the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Ever done in ayahuasca either, But I do from what
I can tell and what I've understood, what I understand, like,
it's uh, it's it's just like a longer, more drawn
out version of d n T. That that like is
I don't know, you're not you're you're like conscious the
whole time versus like where dn t if you go

(01:20:06):
all the way, you're like, you can't even move if
you wanted to kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Thing right right, Ship. Yeah, I didn't even know I
was crying whenever I did. Damnt I mean not crying.
It was just like a couple of tears whatever. But yeah,
but it was actually tears of joy because it was
the most beautiful thing that I've ever felt in my
entire life. You know what, Nick, I.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Think almost every time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. But you know what I'll
make I'll make y'all a deal. I will do ayahuasca
if you're there, Nick, and you're there, Sean, and if
we're all doing it, if we all do it together,
and and everybody else that's here, anybody else that wants
to go do an aahuasca's ceremony, A white boy wizard,
come on down, baby, come dude. I would I would

(01:20:47):
do it if all of y'all are there.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
That's about the only way I would do it too.
So if that happens and some some somehow, the sure.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Yeah, because I'll be I'll be damned if I'm going
to some stranger and being around a bunch of other
strangers that are telling me it's okay. It's like you
don't know me, you don't know that it's gonna be
okay right.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
With you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
So yeah, dude, let's see, just getting back over the
chat here for a second. Uh DC said, I have
a mule near Keychain Silver. All right, No, hell yeah,
White Boy Wizard said, I'm thinking about doing the I
have a gain therapy. Dude. I have heard nothing but
goodness out of that. I mean, I hear that it's

(01:21:31):
you know, it's a ride, you know, but whenever you
come out of it, Dude, I hear almost everybody's life
is completely one aided.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
Mm hmm, yeah for sure. So I've already like been
in contact with the lady. I already forget the name.
It's like a am not Ambrosia, but it's sucking some
other some stupid ass name. But anyways, sorry, So yeah,
it's like a five day thing, dude, like for pretty much,

(01:22:01):
you know, first half of the day, just do an
intake and then they hook you up and like you
sat there for three and a half days trip on
a freaking eyeball game and then to come out of it.
I'm pretty sure it's the ship that you guys like
the four Aco or whatever. I've never done that, and
so I'm pretty sure as I understood it is like

(01:22:23):
the last bit of it, like to make sure everything
ends on a happy note, they kind of pull you
out of it on that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:22:30):
So it's like it's specifically for like addiction, traumatic brain injury,
and like depression and shit like that, and especially like
opioid addiction because they found out recently that your freaking
opioid receptors, like the longer and the harder that you
that you use, those receptors just grow and grow and

(01:22:51):
grow and grow and grow and grow. So the more
you try and freaking get up and get sober and
relapse and get sober and relapse, like, it just makes
it physically harder. Also, so it's like I've always I've
been tapped in this fucking cycle for fucking I don't
even know how long my whole fucking life at this point.
And I'm like, yeah, he I keep hearing crazy good

(01:23:13):
shit about it, especially like for the traumatic brain injury
his part, Like, I think that's a lot of my
you know problem in the first place, because I've been
playing football and you know, riding bikes and skateboards and snowboards,
like I've had like thirteen or fourteen really good fucking
concussion and you know, a doctor like you got to

(01:23:33):
stop doing it. He's just gonna start to affect you. Then
like three or four more and I was like, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
You got to stop hitting your head, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Here they're actually opening it up for uh, for veterans
right now.

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're bringing it across the border into
America for for veterans, which is fucking awesome. Actually that
whole charge is being led by like some super hardcore
fucking Republicans from Texas and I think the other them
was like Arkansas or Nebraska or something.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
Hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
So that's that's really cool to see. But yeah, I
gotta go to Mexico and you always know about it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
When interesting that even a Republican would be about it,
because usually Republicans are like super anti drug, so that's
more usually more of a Democrat thing. So that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
Is that a thing?

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's so that's one thing that we heard
about that as far as it resetting your receptors and
kind of getting you to more of a baseline, that
way the even the simpler things in life that would
give somebody joy can give you joy again and you
can really feel feel good, you know, more naturally. Yeah
that'd be great, man. Hell yeah, I'm pretty poked.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Yeah that's awesome, dude. Yeah we had that. Remember we
had that ib A gang guy on and man, what
a great guy he was. I thought, even what's that?
I think it was but maybe three months ago.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:59):
I'm gonna have to look at one back.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
His was.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
His name was Iboga Talk. I think you can find
him on TikTok too. But yeah, really.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
Cool dude, great energy that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Oh yeah, dude, he guided us on a meditation.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
Yeah. Oh that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Yeah yeah, But anyhow, just get back over to it.
Uh yeah. So, okay, this is where we're gonna start
geting a little interesting, not that he already wasn't, but
so you have the so you want to talk about
all the different tricksters and all of the different shadow
gods and all that kind of stuff. We would be

(01:25:40):
remiss if we did not bring up the psychedelic tricksters,
the machinels, and the gestures of the mind. Oh wait,
hold on, no, I didn't finish my story. So about that,
the dude the wind to go to ayahuasca, right, So
he he turned his life around, he stopped doing drugs
and found found Christ and all these good things. And

(01:26:03):
so he goes down there he does ayahuasca and Florida
at some mansion or something like that, and he's out
there for a weekend and so he does ayahuasca and
you have to do it like I think two days
in a row, maybe three days in a row, something
like that. And he said that whenever he was there,
he started smoking it. And in there he met like

(01:26:23):
all these different machine alves that were pointing at him
and laughing at him, and they were like, ha ha,
you idiot. And he's like, what, well, why am I
such an idiot? And he goes, you know, damn well,
the real reason why you're here is to try and
prove that your God exists. If you were such a
good and holy Christian, you wouldn't have had to come
here and try and find proof. And they were poking

(01:26:45):
and prodding and making fun of him and beating them
down and all these things because they knew, they knew
what he went there for. It was not the reason
that he told everybody, and it's like, yes, that is
why they are jesters of the mind. They are all
your fucking mind.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
That's great, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Yeah, dude. So modern seekers on DMT or ayahuasca meet
tricksters too. Terrence McKenna described machine elves entities of light
and play, juggling reality like toys, singing the fabric of
existence into being. Others meet jestures, clowns, carnival tricksters who

(01:27:25):
taunt and mock both hilarious, both hilarious and terrifying. These
psychedelic tricksters destabilize the ego. They confuse, disorient, and force surrender.
Some return laughing, others return shaken, but they all return changed.
People who come into contact with these kind of individuals

(01:27:47):
psychologically they are this subconscious dramatized dramatizing its own chaos.
They teach not with comfort, but with paradox. To meet
a machine elf or a jester is to encounter Loki
Hermes a Nanzi alive in the psychedelic realm, whispering the
same lesson let go of control.

Speaker 5 (01:28:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
Maybe, So that's so fucking fascinating to me. If nothing else, man,
the whole idea of those archetypes being something that so
many people experience, you know what I'm saying, like, how
is it that that is just ingrained in us? Surely
the message and what you're getting out of it is
something from your subconscious mind, and so of course the

(01:28:31):
gestures would would know, you know, why that guy was
there instead of what he told everybody. Right, But as
far as it being a gester or a machine elf,
you know, like so strange, how that's something that so
many people experience.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Well, I think that it's a perfect representation of how
we would view them in that sense, like here the
you know, because we here we are you know, we
judge people for not having their life together and not
taken life very seriously. And what are you.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
Going to do?

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
You're gonna you're gonna go join the carnies or something
like that. Right, it's like you want to really throw
your life away. You really don't care that much, you know,
And it's probably a little bit of internal judgment there.
But if you think about it, if even that individual
is pointing at you and saying that you're doing life wrong,
think about the mind fuck that's already going on right there.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
Oh god, Oh yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
Know, so I mean, I could be wrong. That's that's
how I see it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:26):
No, it's just interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
Yeah, yeah, so cool. So yeah, so you have the
shadow work. In myth, Initiation always leads underground, Persephone always
descends to hades. Shamans face, they face spirits of death.
Heroes journey into caves, into tombs, and into underworlds. The
shadow gods are psychopomps, guides through symbolic death into rebirth.

(01:29:53):
Shadow work mirrors this. By facing what we repress, we transform.
The underworld is not punishment but initiation. The shadow of
God is not our enemy, but our guide. Dude, if
you told somebody this, they would think, oh, wow, you've
really converted, haven't you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
But it's so much deeper, and it's plain as fucking
day whenever you look at it like this way, right,
m absolutely, man Like looking at the devil as if
he's some kind of divine teacher. Yeah, some people think
you lost your goddamn mind.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Yeah, but I mean, if we're to look at it,
you know, for maybe the way that I believe that
it's supposed to be taken, m I think that that's
the right way.

Speaker 4 (01:30:40):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
So yeah. So and we do still have like modern
archetypes of this as well, like within Hollywood and you know,
stuff like that, but we still actually tell these very
same stories. Darth Vader, who is the fallen hero, the
Joker who was chaos incarnate, Thanos was destruction for balance.

(01:31:02):
They terrify us, but we can't look away because they
mirror our collective shadow. When a culture denies its shadow,
it projects it outward onto scapegoats, enemies, and outsiders. But
only by acknowledging the shadow can we prevent it from
consuming us, which is facts. So so if you were

(01:31:24):
to get a little uh, if you're trying to take
this head on, if you want to face your fear
once and for all kind of thing, maybe you got
some insecurity that is constantly sparking some kind of fear
or some kind of internal judgment, or you know, you
feel like something is holding you back. You know that
you could be so much more, but deep down you

(01:31:45):
know that it's really yourself that's holding you back. Well,
a couple of ways that you would be able to
do this. This isn't every way, but this is just
a few of them. Number one, always meditation, every single time. Meditation, Yes,
so close your eyes and summon your shadow. God, what
form does it take? What message does it bring? Just

(01:32:08):
a couple of questions you can ask yourself. And then
of course there's journaling. What do I fear others seeing
in me? What tricks do I play on myself? And
then finally there is visualization. So stand before your smoking mirror,
get a little obsidian glass. You know what truth hides

(01:32:28):
in the smoke. Shadow Work is not exorcism, it is integration.
To be whole, we must embrace both light and shadow.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Yes, maybe it's it. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
Man. When I when I looked into that into my
phone rather and I had the candle, man, that was
something else, dude. That was almost It wasn't like I
obviously it wasn't a jest or anything like that, but
just the the fluidity of who I thought I looked like,
and just because you're in a gaze, right, and so
it's just like, I don't know. That was the one
of the strangest things I've ever experienced, dude. And it

(01:33:03):
was kind of like a machine of pointing and laughing
and going you thought you looked like this, but really
you're it's not even you're not even you. You know,
it's like that was a mind.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Fuck, yeah, dude, which is why I still want to
get the Hangman Tarot card tattoo. Just surrender, That's what
it's all about. That's it, And it is hard to surrender,
Like it is definitely easier said than done, because even
whenever you think you've surrendered, dude, like there's levels to surrendering,

(01:33:34):
like one hundred percent, like you you are not willing
to relinquish your your power and your form of control
on this reality as much as you think you do. Like,
and that's something that like I have seen throughout meditation
and psychedelic trips and whatnot. Is that, like, man, what
more can I let go of?

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
Like I almost feel like there's a certain point within
some of those that like if I let go anymore,
I just won't understand a word that ever comes out
of anybody's mouth. You know, Like there's certain things to
where like you need a little bit of control, but
even that they're like, no, get rid of that just
for this.

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
Moment at least, you know, Oh absolutely, yeah. I've had
experiences with that, dude, especially with like the four Aco
when everything was going good, everything was fine, and then
all of a sudden, it just wasn't you know what
I'm saying, And there was like it seemed like I
don't want to say literal demons, but there was definitely
some entities that were just super negative. And I'm like, now,

(01:34:34):
knowing what I know, it's like, oh, okay, now I
know what to do the next time that happens, rather
than being like, oh, I don't like this, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Which is still easier said than done, because even knowing
what you know, those there's still going to be like
it's still the unknown. You still don't know what's going
to happen whenever you confront it. You know, it's like
what happens whenever you see you know, your tripping or
maybe you have a sleep proalysis or or whatever. Right,
what happens whenever you see that shadow entity that's just

(01:35:05):
lurking beyond the doorway? You know, like, our first you know,
our first thing we want to do is fucking panic?

Speaker 4 (01:35:10):
Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
What was that?

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
It's coming for me?

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
But you know, if if we're this is why we
try and talk about it as much as we can
so that it becomes so deeply ingrained within our even
our subconscious mind that way, whenever that that does actually happen,
you know, and you do see that shadow, or you
do see that fucking skin walker or that that demon
or whatever it is. You know, like, dude, it could

(01:35:35):
be even something that you were scared of as a
child that you haven't thought about in forever, but it's
just now showing itself, and and and it's like pulling
on your childhood fear, which is even deeper ingrained inside
of you. Right, But if you bring this to the forefront,
and instead of being scared, and instead of trying to
hide under the sheet, under the sheets, or instead of
trying to hurry up and wake up out of this

(01:35:57):
trance or out of this whatever it is, can you
just be like, hey, Comara, just be like mirror, mirror, Yeah,
Like you know, you want what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
Why are you here? You know what I mean? Like
you're the part of your brain that's accessing that subconscious part,
you know what I'm saying. It's like you're right next
to it, you know, and usually you're so far away
from it you don't even know it's there. So when
you are in that in that moment, instead of looking
at it as a fright or flight or whatever, look
at it as an opportunity, you know. And if you

(01:36:30):
are meditating and doing this a lot more often, then
it'll maybe become a little more sick of nature.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
I mean, to be honest, I think that that's why
the hermit carries the lantern you think about, you know,
because he's out there all by himself. And just like
fucking hippie Jimmy came up and talked to me last
year whenever I was in Florida. He's like, whatever you do,
don't go into a cabin, you know, don't buy one.
And I'm like, how did you know? I was getting
ready to do that, but like, maybe that just wasn't

(01:36:57):
the time because I still want to buy a cabin,
you know what I.

Speaker 4 (01:36:59):
Mean, but completely convinced not to.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
No, it just wasn't the time to do it. I think,
I don't know, We'll see. I mean, if I end up,
you know, going missing for a little while, then I
guess it was the wrong move. But but no, I
just think that there's there's symbols of all of this
because the hermit is always you know, by himself, which
means he's doing a lot of shadow work, right, and

(01:37:25):
so if he has that lantern always by him, then
that means that he's always trying to bring the light
into the darkness. And so even if whenever you're going
through one of those experiences and you know, maybe you
do have sleep paralysis or maybe you know you do
have like a bad trip or whatever the case may be, dude,
just imagine like the mind works in symbols, So imagine

(01:37:47):
like you're already in a trance world. Anything's pretty much
possible anyway. Imagine there's a lantern, or you have a
big ass fucking like a deer spotlight or something like that.
Or maybe you're just a care bear and you're shooting
light out of your chest or something like that. I mean,
your mind is capable of doing a lot of these things,
and you know what I mean. And so you know,

(01:38:07):
just symbolically see what happens. I don't know, I'd be interested.
I might have to try and give that a shot.

Speaker 4 (01:38:13):
Oh absolutely, dude. Like I said, you're right next to it,
You're you're in the darkness with it at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
So yeah, dude, So to close out of this pretty uh,
pretty interesting episode, the the gods of shadow are not
villains of myth. They are mirrors of the subconscious. Set
is our storm, Loki is our trickster, Tet's cat Paloka

(01:38:40):
or Tet's cat Nepoca. There we Go is our mirror,
Samuel is our accuser, Haiti is our mortality, Satan is
our adversary, and Kali is our egos destroyer. To fear
them is to fear ourselves. To face them is to awaken.
The ancient told the ancients old stories, The mystics met

(01:39:01):
them in visions, the psychonauts still meet them today. So
I leave everybody with this question, which shadow god lives
within you? And when it says something to you in
the dark, will you run from it or will you
dance with it?

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
Oh? Hey, no, that's correct, that's good, that's great. You know,
it's so it's so fascinating too, as far as like
you said, you know that your mind works and symbols,
and so if you have a face and a name
to this entity, then you look into this entity and
what it was for? What? What? What was it trying
to get at? Was it trying to trick you? Was
it trying to you know something along those lines, it's like,

(01:39:37):
now you can work with that, you know, understand what
that what that shadow, what that uh uh purpose of
that shadow is for, and so then you could look
into it and figure out what that is.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's there to teach you something
every single time, Like it's not just going to fuck
it with you for no reason, right, you know? And yeah,
I mean, dude, and I'll be honest with you. And
you know, I kind of mentioned Jacob's whole demon story earlier.
One of the main parts of that story that I
feel like gets overlooked whenever we talk about it is, yes,

(01:40:12):
you know, like this demon was haunting him and kept
on making several appearances and kept on scaring the shit
out of him, and then then he called for help,
and then this angel who had a very wonderful name
came and you know saved him basically by shooting like
these flaming arrows until this demon just dispersed into the nothingness,

(01:40:32):
right right, But that that only got rid of that
demon that one time, right, Like, it was just that
one time. That demon still kept on coming back after that.
It wasn't until like a few times that Jacob was
just like he was like, I'm so fucking over this.
Like he was beyond being scared, he was beyond being fearful,
and he was like, you know what, come at me,

(01:40:54):
let's go, like it's time. Like he was just basically
nutting up, and he was like, I'm not taking this
shit anymore. I'm not gonna be scared of you anymore.
Let's go. You want to try and fuck with me,
I'm gonna fuck with you. And and then never saw
it again.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
Right, like he actually embodied the version of that angel
that saved him. He embodied that energy instead of embodying
the frequency of fear. Yeah, dude, you know what I'm saying.
And then it just went away. I was like, oh, okay, yeah,
that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
Yeah, I love it. You know, you love to hear
those kind of stories people actually, you know, literally, symbolically, mythologically, whatever,
facing their demons and it's it's on a personal level.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
You know. Yeah. Absolutely, it's up to the individual to
figure this this kind of stuff out, man, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
It is it is uh Sean, what is that tarot card?

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
Sir?

Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
Oh yeah, we got the eight of Pentacles. My good dude, dude,
that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
I just opened up to the cement of Pinnacles, all right,
the eight of Pentacles. I got rid of my little
overhead light, so I have to use the computer light.
The only way to become skilled at something is to
continually engage in practicing in it. All right, your skills

(01:42:09):
are worth developing. The Aid of Pentacles is all about
mastering your chosen craft. The apprentice in this card works
diligently to hone his skills. He knows that success is
a combination of education and practical application. Neither step can
be avoided if he is to reap the financial rewards
for his efforts. He is happy to do this work

(01:42:29):
since he believes in himself and has no problems tackling
the same tasks day after day. In his heart, he
knows that he is working toward mastery.

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
Wow, that's great. That hit close to home, man, you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
Know, well not even just that. I mean think about
we're just you know, talking about all this stuff, and
we're saying, you know, it's easier said than done to
face your demons, and you know, instead of running and
fearing them, like, how are you going to put it
into practice? Whenever that time occurs. That's this right here,
that's it. Man, Yeah, don't just talk about it, be
about it, maybe embody it. Yes, The spiritual message behind

(01:43:08):
it says, what you have been studying or practicing will
lead to abundance. Cultivating your spiritual practice may lead to
working in the healing arts. Trust that you can do
anything that you set an intention toward, and you can
achieve success through diligent work that you enjoy. The key
meaning of the card is hard work and productivity. The numerology,

(01:43:30):
of course, is the eight of Pentacles, so it's an
eight movement and transition. So pretty awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:43:37):
That's great. That goes for everything.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:43:39):
You know, like you have it in your mind that
you want to do something, and at first it feels
almost impossible, you know, and then once you start getting
a couple repetitions in and then all of a sudden
one thing that you struggled at was is, all of
a sudden one of those things that you can do
without thinking about it. And so it just there's layers,
there's levels to it, you know, and so anything that
you can think of, man, is possible.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Yeah, dude, no doubt about it. So all right, well,
I think this is a very fun conversation that we
had thank everybody for joining in and putting your two
cents in on it. Who was at d C? I
think that just dipped out. Yeah, DC said love all
the lessons, good night to the one. Shout out d C.

(01:44:22):
But yeah, this is a very fun one, dude. And
so yeah, now I think we're gonna get over to
the meditation. So, like I said, if anybody wants to
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(01:45:06):
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Speaker 4 (01:45:23):
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(01:46:02):
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of Conspiracy comes out on that same day of course.
Over at if you're listening to Metamistics, we have all
the Metamistics episodes coming out one day before they come
out on the cold of Conspiracy, and and then of
course way even before that. Patreon always comes out days
almost even a week before they come out anywhere else.

(01:46:25):
So much love to everybody out there. We really appreciate
you joining us here. And what we want to say
here is that if the shadow gods came here and
they taught you anything, it's that you don't know what
you don't know, so just get weird.

Speaker 4 (01:46:44):
Weird God, I love that, dude. Somehow, that was the
shortest sixteen minute meditation we've ever done.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
I know, I think we kind of like fourteen and
a half or something like that, but yeah, but still
like that was it felt like less than ten. Yeah
it went quick, man, Yeah, that was awesome. I was
actually really shocked whenever she was like, all right, start
bringing your awareness back to your surroundings, I'm like, already.

Speaker 4 (01:47:14):
I thought we were like halfway done. I thought we
were going to do like another step or something. Yeah,
like there was another part of that. But yeah, it's
really fascinating, man, where because there there's some obviously there's
times where there's already kind of something on your mind,
you know, in your awareness, and you know, I took
it to the place of you know, because I know

(01:47:36):
that I need to start dieting and start like really
trying to take better care of myself. I'm a lot
better at, you know, taking care of others or giving
others advice. You know, like if somebody comes to me
with an issue or whatever, I'm I feel like, in
my opinion that I'm fairly good at at transmuting or
helping them see that they can transmute that and look

(01:47:57):
at it from a different a different point of But
when it comes to myself, you know, it's always much harder.
And so I've kind of just made the decision to
instead of just allowing myself to do the things that
I've been doing, you know, just habitually, just over and over,
like caught in that cycle of things, I'm going to

(01:48:18):
try to access that that higher perspective of myself and
give myself that advice in those times where I'm just
kind of doing what I normally do, you know, as
far as.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
Like eating bullshit or what have you, Just gonna disrupt
the cycle, as the shadow.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
Go, Huh, That's what I gotta do, man, because once
you're in that cycle, dude, I feel like if you
just don't look up. You're just constantly stuck in it
and you're just doing it. Here I go again, you know,
eating some fast food or some shit because I don't
want to be bothered by preparing my meals the night before,
you know. And so in those moments where I'm thinking about,

(01:48:57):
you know, like oh, I'll just go grab this, it's
like whoa, whoa hole on a second, you know what
I mean, There's a better way, you know, you can
do And being someone that has already you know, lost
so much weight before and had so much success, it's like,
I know I'm capable of it, but for whatever reason
right now, the cycle that I'm in is this perpetuating
thought of like you can't do it again, you know,

(01:49:20):
or what are you pretending for? Like when you first
start a diet, it's like you're pretending that first day
You're like, oh, I'm on a diet, but like it's
day one, dude, Like you know what I mean, Like,
really there's still a chance that you can still eat
whatever you want, you know what I mean. So I
don't know, that's kind of where I went. I just
you know, because I've been having thoughts of like, you
know what if shit just goes wrong really quick, you know,

(01:49:42):
and all of a sudden, I've got a bunch of
medical issues. You know, you don't have any As soon
as you have medical issues or health problems, that's when
all the other problems really just go away, you know.
And so it's like, I feel like that can happen
very quickly if you're not careful. So I know that's
kind of what's been on my mind and kind of
my shadow as of late, just not really taking care

(01:50:05):
of myself.

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
So you know, that's exactly what I was boring, as that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
Is for everyone else to hear, you know, Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
That's exactly what I was thinking too, like, because she
was like, you know, you want to try and focus
on a part of yourself that needs gut. Dude went
straight to the gut. It was so strange, Like as
soon as she said it, I didn't even think about it.
It was just like, that's where we're putting our attention at, right,
And I was like, all right, let me try and
communicate with it, you know, let's see what happens. I'm

(01:50:34):
going to try and put all of my consciousness if
I can put it all right here in this one
little place, right, And because yeah, I mean I'm everybody's always,
you know, a little self conscious about their weight. If
it's not your weight, it's everybody's self conscious about the
way they look. Right, Like, even if you even if
you give the facade that like I know I'm hot,

(01:50:57):
i know I'm sexy, you know damn well that that
person has something that they are a little don't feel
too good about.

Speaker 4 (01:51:04):
Right, I'd say I've ever had that problem.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
Yeah, but yeah, So I was just like trying to
put all of my attention and all my focus there
and and I felt like I did, I was able to, like,
and it was strange because what I was seeing just
imagining what the gut would look like, right, And and
I'm like almost imagining like this circle, but like on

(01:51:26):
the perimeter of the circle, it was like real lit up.
And I was like, all right, this must be where
I'm supposed to put my focus at. And I was,
you know, trying to go in there and not necessarily
trying to see what was going on in there, because
I mean, I know what I've been eating, but like
trying to just connect with it like consciously in a sense. Right,
And so whenever I was in there. I was like,
all right, I'm gonna try and put all my attention here.

(01:51:48):
What what what are you gonna you know, try and
tell me? And then it made me think of you know,
this past weekend, dude, I got dog sick, like the
most sick I've been in probably fifteen years. And it
was horrible. And not only was it horrible the way
I was feeling, but it was almost like, Dude, I
was like having like you ever have like crazy fever

(01:52:11):
dreams yep, and and dude, it causes you to trip
and you don't have control of those like that. There's
no control over that, right, Like it's almost like a
form of like it's almost like a fucking nightmare.

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
Right. It sucks because you're already feeling sick. So when
you wake up from one of those, you're back to
your sickness and you're like, oh, and you feel like
shit and then you pass out again and then you're
back to the nightmare again.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
Well what's even worse, or at least what I experienced
was I wasn't even sleeping. I was trying to fall asleep,
and I was getting that right and uh, like you
ever like you're about to fall asleep and you know
you're still awake, but for some reason, you're dreaming, you know,
like you're not even not even sleeping yet, Like you
know that you're awake, but for some reason, here you

(01:52:52):
are on this fucking journey or whatever you're doing, right,
And it'll, dude, I should you not? It happens just
about every night for me.

Speaker 4 (01:53:01):
Yeah, weird.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
And so I was, I was there, and I was
trying to fall asleep, and I was trying to ignore
it because I was like, I know, I'm sick. I know,
I don't feel good. I don't you know I did.
I just eating like some fucking Chinese food from a
place that I never got it and I had already
you know, packed it on because like I said, I'm like, hey,
I'm enjoying my time before I get to Arizona, right,
And and the whole time, I just kept on seeing

(01:53:25):
those visions and hearing those those thoughts, like dark things,
you know, things that I don't think about. And within
that meditation, what I realized was is that that wasn't
my own thoughts. That was my gut sending me thoughts
in that way like it was it was almost like
my gut trying to teach me a lesson, and I

(01:53:45):
was like, all right, all right, I hear you. All right,
Like I was like, so, so what should I do?
You know, like obviously I already know that I'm gonna
change in my diet and everything, but like what else
should I start to implement? And first thing, fasting just
came right, and then I was like, all right, should
I pick a certain day of the week? And you know,
I was just like I would think about a day

(01:54:07):
to try and see if there was like maybe a
weird specific ritual day or something that I should do it.
And I was like Monday, and it went. It was
like a weird thing because it was like I would
say Monday and then I would see a line and
then it would dip down like a no. Right, and
then and so I went all the way on and
every single day was a line dipped down to know,
and I was like, what the fuck are you trying

(01:54:28):
to say that? And then I was like well, I
was like, well, you know, am I supposed to be
just fasting more than one day?

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
And immediately I got the idea three days. I need
a three day fast, and I was like, I'm right,
So I feel like I'm having a conversation now, right,
And and it was it was crazy too because I
felt as if it was like, because that's where your
solar plexus, I believe around that areas, or your solar
plexus chakra is, because I believe that your solar plexus is.

(01:55:00):
What's that damn bone that's like red at the bottom
of your ribs diaphragm. Yeah, I believe that that's like
kind of in the location of where the solar plexus is.
And and it was so strange. I don't know colors
of chakras. I mean, I know that the heart is green,
I know that is red. I know those ones, yeah,

(01:55:20):
like those are the easy ones. Yeah, but I did.
I didn't. I never knew what the color of the
fucking solar plexus was. I mean, it makes sense, solar
maybe it's gold, maybe it's yellow orange, something like that. Right,
But even before I had the thought of what color
it could be, I was seeing like gold, right, And
then I started to think about it. I was like, oh,

(01:55:40):
I didn't even have to think about that. It was
like I was seeing it, you know, like for real,
and and you know what, let me double check that
because if I'm tripping and the solar plexus is not gold,
what color is the solar.

Speaker 4 (01:55:55):
I wouldn't even be surprised if you were right at
this point.

Speaker 1 (01:55:59):
Is it gold? Get out of here?

Speaker 4 (01:56:01):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
Wow, that's cool gold or yellow? But yeah, damn, that's crazy,
that's wild. And let's see what it is. So the
solar plexus chakra is associated with the color yellow, which
symbol which symbolizes energy, intellect, and personal strength. The bright
yellow reflects the chakra's radiant and empowering qualities. That's what

(01:56:26):
it felt like. It felt like like a sun that
was shining, like a like a circular sun that was shining.

Speaker 4 (01:56:33):
That's a nosis, if you will.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
That was weird. Yeah, and and I was like, all right,
I'm gonna do it then, because I and I know
this and everybody knows this. Whenever you're dieting and you're
working out, dude, it's not just about how you look,
the way you feel, the way you think, the way
you're able to come up with things on the spot,
like you are quick witted, you know. And that's one

(01:56:56):
thing that I, oh, dude, yeah, it's it's jack and
fucking hide. And so yeah, that's that's what I'm gonna do,
I guess whenever I get Arizona. And I was starting
to think about it too, I was like, all right, well,
when am I gonna do it? Because I'm obviously I'm
not gonna do it, Like all right, so a little
behind the scenes here. Typically, you know, y'all know I
shoot the Cultific, Conspiracy and Meta, right, and so, uh,

(01:57:21):
typically me and Sean we shoot every Monday and Wednesday night.
But then me and Jacob we'll shoot Monday during the day,
we'll double up on Tuesday, we'll go, we'll shoot during
We'll shoot on Wednesday during the day, and then we'll
double up on a Thursday. Right, And we try and
do that so that we can get Friday, Saturday, and
Sunday off. Like that's the schedule we've been trying to
stick to nice and uh and it's pretty sweet, I mean,

(01:57:44):
but it is like those four days. I mean, you're
at it, you know what I mean, Like you're it's
the first show's at noon, the like the first show
starts at noon, and you know, we usually go two
or three hours, depending and then the next show starts
at nine. We're at it till you know, eleven or midnight,

(01:58:04):
and and all the time in between, you're doing research,
you're responding to people, and you're creating content, and like
it's it's a full time thing, right, and which I love.
I'm not complaining at all, but it does take a lot.
So whenever that, whenever Friday comes, you're like, oh, I
can breathe a little bit, I can get my mind
out of it. And to be honest, my mind's never

(01:58:25):
out of it, Like I'm still trying to come up
with show ideas and trying to reach out to people
for guess, and I'm like my mind, like, I love
what I do. So therefore it's not like I need
a break from it kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:58:37):
You know, right, But you do need that time for yourself.
And what I mean by for yourself is to allow
the randomness or the contemplation of the right now rather
than a topic that you already planned on doing. And
so it gives you that freedom. So you need that too.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
Yeah, you need a little buffer zone for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
And so what I was thinking, all right, I'll be
getting to Arizona this weekend, and so next weekend maybe
on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, I'll do a three day fast.
I'm I can do I can do a fast all
day if I don't have to get behind a microphone.
Like it is hard talking when you're starving, you.

Speaker 4 (01:59:12):
Know, especially if you haven't done it in a long
time or you're already you're going from like shit to that. Dude,
it's gonna be you know, have a headache. There's gonna
be all kinds of things.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
Going on, right right, Well, I was listening to there
was this uh. I don't know if he was Hindu
somewhere over in India. Maybe they're like Indian doctor. I
always like hearing like Eastern doctors like that, because I
feel like they know way better than the fucking western doctors.
Right yeah, And he goes, Look, people come into my

(01:59:42):
office and they don't even have to tell me what's
wrong with them. I see what's wrong with them just
by their gut protruding. I know that like they they're
having some kind of inflammation, gastro intestinal problem something like that.
It's causing them brain fog, and it's causing all these
other problems and everything. And he goes, it's not another
pill you need to take, it's not another diet you

(02:00:04):
need to get on. He goes, you you have a
oh shit, what is it called the diabetics insulin? It's
your body resistance. Yeah, your body you're having insulin resistance.
And the only way to combat that because the insulin
is made in the pancreas, right, and so the only
way to combat that is by doing a fast. He goes,

(02:00:25):
That's the only thing that'll help you reset. I'm like,
of course it is, so yeah, I'm full on with that.

Speaker 4 (02:00:33):
Hell yeah, dude, Well good luck, man. I know you
can do it. You've done it before. You know I've
done it before. We can We got this, dude.

Speaker 1 (02:00:40):
It was funny because actually a few days ago, my
dad was like, yeah, I think I'm gonna I think
I'm gonna do a three day fast. And I was like,
have you ever done a one day? And I was like, bro,
like get the first, do a one day or first
do a twenty four hour fast first, because biting off
a lot, like you don't want to start out with
a three day fast. That's hard, you know, man.

Speaker 4 (02:01:00):
When we did the three day last because we were
gonna go three days, and I think we both made
it without even telling each other. We both made it
about two and a half days. Yeah, it was like
I got to eat something, man, and it was spectacular.

Speaker 1 (02:01:12):
When you were able to eat again, it was like, oh,
everything tastes better.

Speaker 4 (02:01:15):
Dude. I don't know, it's been a minute, but but yeah,
I think I might be doing something like that too.
And even to be honest with you, once I get going,
because I know that my body needs to adjust to
actually eating real food, you know. But once I get
going and I get a little more accustomed to it,
get the body accustomed to it, I'd like to do
like a longer fast if possible, you know what I mean,

(02:01:36):
just nice to go a woundary, just even just for
the science of it, just to see like how much
better my brain works. Like that'd be cool.

Speaker 1 (02:01:44):
Well, and they say, dude, the longer you go, the
more spiritual it gets, you know. Sure, like you're talking
about having visions, man, you know what I mean? I mean,
you think about like those like spirit quests that and work.
I was actually that was a possibility of we're gonna
be talking about tonight. But then I looked up this
and I was like, all right, I want to talk
about this spirit quest. Is that different from like a vision?

(02:02:07):
Quest or is it a vision quest? Is what it's called.
I'm sorry, yeah, okay, So a vision quest basically like
you go out in the woods and you're feeding for
yourself basically, right, And most of those people, you know,
it takes you a couple of days to get settled
in instead of camp, and then you gotta you know,
you gotta track the footprints and track where the scot
is and everything in order to be able to even
find an animal. And so most people that go out

(02:02:28):
there and they're starving for the first few days, right,
And and then after a few days, you start to
get comfortable with starving, like it almost becomes like you're
dreaming and awake at the same time. And now you're seeing,
like you're not seeing beyond the veil. You are the
fucking veil now you right right, and you're seeing all

(02:02:49):
of it. And I was just like, man, that that
is awesome because you know these these I don't know,
these journeys that people can go on, you know, these
spiritual nies he can go on. It doesn't have to
be with psychedelics, It don't even have to be with meditation.
There's many of different ways and people have found out
hundreds of different ways to be able to connect with
that other side. Some people do it through prayer, but

(02:03:12):
one of the more common and the more ancient ones
is by fasting.

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (02:03:16):
Oh absolutely, And I even I find it very interesting
the thing that that Jacob has talked about, the whole
silent retreat thing. You know what I'm saying, like, just
nobody's talking to each other and you're just kinda you're observed.
You're basically just consciousness at that point, you know what
I'm saying, Like you're you're just the observer. You are
not adding to anything. You're just everything is what it is,

(02:03:38):
you know, and then you can dip down into your
own psyche. And I bet you that I'm telling you,
I think that that is probably pretty pretty amazing.

Speaker 5 (02:03:47):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:03:47):
Oh, I'm sure he already went and did that, like
just recently did he?

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
Oh he does it every year, but yeah, he just
recently did it.

Speaker 4 (02:03:53):
Is what is like something that he's mentioned as far
as like the coolest thing or the biggest thing that
he got out of that.

Speaker 1 (02:04:00):
Be real with you, dude, Jacob is religious, but I
don't think that he's spiritual. Oh so, I think like
he looks at the world in a much different way,
because there's been times where I brought up like, well,
I wonder what the spiritual angle of this or that is, right,
And he's like, why does everything got to be spiritual?

(02:04:21):
I'm like, bitch, because everything is spiritual. That's the way
I look at it, you know. And but yeah, it's
like some people just you know, they look at the
world in a different lens, and you know, nothing wrong
with that, but yeah, I think I mean, he probably
gets some comfort out of it, a little bit of alleviation,
a little zend out, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:04:39):
Yeah, because the thing I was thinking is like just
the thoughts that would come through, you know. And then
because you can't talk, you can't like you know, get
distracted in some kind of conversation or whatever. You're just
kind of like in that zone. And then you explore
that and expound on that, and before you know it,
like all of a sudden boom, you got some sort
of answer to something that you didn't even know you

(02:05:00):
a question too. Yeah, Like I imagine the effect of that.

Speaker 1 (02:05:03):
I think the goal of that silent retreat is that
they're like supposed to be like reading their Bible and stuff.
Like the whole time, which is still pretty cool, you know.
But yeah, dude, I mean, there's many different ways to
go about it. But oh, there was somebody in the chat.
I think Kara wrote something. Karas said, white boy Wizard
said much love, fam, good night, good times, night night,

(02:05:26):
and then he goes, I'll digest you, baby girl, and
then Karas said, there's been so many times I join
a live and feel called out, called out, Yeah, synchronistically,
you know. It's a good thing, you know, And that's

(02:05:46):
honestly what I hope that almost everybody feels like I
feel like, I hope that everybody feels connected personally to
every single episode, you know, as if every single one
of these can pertain to your life in some form
or fashion, you know, when it resonates, man, I mean,
that's what it's all about.

Speaker 2 (02:06:05):
Man.

Speaker 4 (02:06:05):
We're all kind of experiencing a lot of the same
things and thoughts and issues or whatever it is, you
know what I mean. And so that's the whole point
of this thing, right.

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
Yeah, All right, guys, Well, I think we're gonna bounce
up out of here and the next time I'll be
behind the mind, it'll be in Arizona, maybe.

Speaker 4 (02:06:22):
Oh shit, we'll be ready.

Speaker 1 (02:06:25):
So all right, good night y'all, and we'll see you
on the flip side.

Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
I guess

Speaker 5 (02:07:06):
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