The Universe Is Mental | The 1st Hermetic Principle Of Mentalism - Meta Mystics

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Voices drift on winds untane, where it's like spells that
can't be made.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Close your eyes and feel the sound.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Journey where no bounds are found opens inside your mind.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
The ordinary form behind.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Color, swirl the stars line in.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
The mental mysteries, you'll find.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Welcome to Meta Mysteries, where you don't know what you
don't know. My name's Jonathan, I'm Sean and today is
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always fun in these kind of conversations because it really

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does kind of feel like a mystery school whenever we
do these live shows.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Doesn't it. Oh yeah, dude, And the one of my
favorite things is the fact that it seems so familiar.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
It's like when you're learning something for the first time,
it still just resonates as though you already kind of
knew it. And that just goes to show, you know,
some of these fundamental troops that we that we like
to cover and you know, the live is upon us.
And I got to tell you, man, I was really
looking forward to this one.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
I needed it. Yeah, bah blood you know.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Well, you know what's funny is is that I didn't
feel very familiar whenever I was learning algebra, So no,
how does that work?

Speaker 4 (02:05):
You know?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
It's like, yeah, geometry was not kind to me. I
wish that I was better at geometry, but it was
fucking hard for me.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Bro Like, I just couldn't get it. I think math
in general, it was just one of those things that
I just didn't enjoy. And I think that's what was missing.
You know, you have to enjoy what you're learning to
really like, you know what I mean, get really really
invested in it.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I mean it, maybe geometry would have been a lot
more fun if it was sacred, you know, yes, there
it is, like if they would teach us like, all right,
here are all the angles to the flower of life.
Here is what a Mandelbrot set does, and just showing
us like all the weird I would be, I would
ate that up. But you're trying to talk to me
about an Isauceles triangle.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
I could give a shit less about that exactly. Yeah, dude,
I'm right there with you.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
Man.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
That's why we're we're doing what we do, you know,
because we're actually interested in these things. And so yeah, man,
let's see what we got tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Man, We're gonna be awakening the inner eye tonight. This
is going to be We said that we wanted to
kind of go one by one on the on the
seven Hermetic Principles because we had so much fun on
the Polarity one and this one. Dude, it's going to rock,

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all right. This is going to be such a fun
deep dive. We're actually going to be going into the
first principle of of the Hermetic principles, which is mentalism.
That all is mind, right.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah, Yeah, I mean we could definitely, you know, on
some of them, we can maybe group two of them together,
but I feel like mentalism is just it's a hard hitter. Dude,
and I feel like it just needed its own, its
own episode.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Man, yeah, dude, So uh yeah, buckle up, baby, because
this is going to be quite the roller coaster.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
I'm ready man.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
All right.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
So first we're gonna start out by setting the scene. So, uh, Sean,
I want you to do this, and all the one
out there to do this. And even if you're listening
to this the next day or a couple of days after,
you can do this too. Not while you're driving, of course,
and not while you're operating any kind of heavy machinery.
But if you are sitting at home, maybe you're sitting
at your desk at work, or whatever you do that

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you're not in you're not in charge to where you
can just kind of fuck off for a couple of minutes,
then this is what you'd want to do. So Sean
and everybody listening, close your eyes and imagine everything you
know dissolving, the walls, the floor, the air that you breathe,
the very body you inhabit gone. All that remains is awareness,

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a vast, endless field of thought. This is where it
all begins, before light, before matter, before time, a thought
dreaming itself into being and dream a Dreamer and the
dream And what if I told you that this is reality?

Speaker 6 (04:54):
What if I told you that this is you?

Speaker 4 (04:57):
You got that? You got that picture in your mind?

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Now?

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Oh yeah, dude.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
So, to take a quote from the Kabalion, which we
read about a year ago, I think, oh, you know what,
before we even get into that, we have just reached
our two year anniversary.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Did we really?

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Oh that's right? Yeah, holy shit? Yeah yeah, And actually
we're a couple days late on it. It was because
we started August first. And was it the first Yeah,
it was August first of twenty twenty three. And yeah,
it's funny because actually we started the cult in August
as well. So The Cold is celebrating its five year

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anniversary and Meta Mystery celebrating its two year anniversary.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Damn, dude. That just goes to show that time is
an illusion.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
You know, I cannot believe we've been doing this two years,
like when we first started. You know, I imagine like, oh,
I wonder what it would be like, you know, even
reaching one year of doing this, even because in that time,
I feel like in my mind it didn't even seem possible.
You know, I know that you for sure. Knew you
know a little more than I did as far as
going into this type of thing, but I just couldn't

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imagine it. And here we are in our second year. Dude,
that's that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Oh dude, I said from from Jump Street. From the
very first episode, I said, Sean, like, this is going
to be what you're going to do for the rest
of your life, I promise you. And that's because I
believe in this stuff. And I believe first of all.
First of all, I believe in my own like kind
of researching and trying to understand kind of ability and

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being able to put shows and stuff like that together.
But I also, like, I knew that you were there too.
You were just you started a little bit later than
I did in the all the spiritual stuff, but I
knew that you had the one key characteristic and that
was just a curiosity of openness essentially, And that's all

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it takes. I just because you're not going to be
able to teach a lot of most of what we
talk about to somebody who is very entrenched into what
their beliefs are, it's just not going to work.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
You have to be open, you know, open to being
wrong and open to accepting or at least taking in
new information. You know, that's the key.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, so, uh yeah, we appreciate all of
the one who have been following us here on this journey.
We love you very much, and I mean, hey, thank
you for allowing us to be a part of.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Your of your spiritual journey.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
You know we'll be the fool for you.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
That's all right.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
But to quote the Kabalian, the all is mind, the
universe is mental.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
I don't think I can argue with that, man, I
really can't, you know. I know for a fact, when
I when I first heard that, you know, it sounded
kind of I don't know, I didn't really know what
to what to do with that, you know. But the
more that we learn and the experiences that I've had,
and the understanding of how just how complex our brain is,
I mean, as far as I know, or at least

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as far as science even knows, that the brain is
the most complex structure in the universe. And so I
don't know, man as within so without.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, and you know what really kind of blew
that open to me was I mean, it was a
few things. Philip Cooper being the main one that really
set us up, you know, after reading The Magickian, I
think that we will literally always quote that book until
the end of this show, which will be never right.
But that show was so fundamental into getting us to

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understand certain kind of key concepts and ways to be
able to look at the world in a different way
than you ever thought of.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
And so you going off of you know, mentalism, I
feel like that's the limit.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
You know. The limit is the the.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Your perception, how you look at the world, how you
choose to to interact with it, you know, and transmute
and so on and so on, and so you know,
this reality is so much more malleable in that sense.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
I mean, dude, how how is it that you know,
you remember what it was like to be little kid
and to watch Matilda for the first time, or to
watch The Matrix for the first time, or to watch
any like kind of fantasy movie that you're like, a man,
how awesome would that be if that's real?

Speaker 4 (09:13):
You know, I think it was The Matrix for me
for sure. Like I remember because I saw in the
theater and I came out of there and I was
just like whoa dude, Like, you know, what I mean.
It really just opened me up for sure.

Speaker 7 (09:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, it has a has a fun way of doing that.
So tonight we enter the first hermatic principle mentalism, and
once you truly grasp it, you'll never see reality the
same way again.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Okay, that's a promise.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
So the first hermatic principle of mentalism, all is in
the all, The all is in all.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Try and grasp that concept, and it's a trip. It
is a trip.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
So this is no metaphor. It is the fundamental truth.
Reality itself is a thought, a mental construct within the
infinite consciousness of the all. Every atom, every planet, every
fleeting moment is a ripple in this endless ocean of mind.
As the Buddha said, all that we are is the
result of what we have thought.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Shit, dude, due surely you know, because surely there's a
there's I'm sure there's an objective reality. You know, there's
like this ultimate base reality. But I don't think any
of us experience that. And and I don't think that
that's a bolt claim.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
I mean, I think that there's probably rules to every reality,
you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not gonna say
rules so much but just like uh, base level things
that maybe maybe the physics are a little bit guidelines.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
You got it to you.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
But yeah, I think that there's probably something like that.
And if you start looking into string theory, which we're
going to do an episode on one of these days,
but if you look into string theory, you'll see that
literally physics changes the higher up you go into dimensions. So,
and what's crazy about it is is that once you
get up to a certain dimension I believe it's either

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the tenth or the eleventh dimension something like that, once
you get up there, the rules change so much that
they say that not only because they believe that there
are physics in every dimension, but they're like, uh, interchangeable.
So it gets wild. So once you get up to
like the tenth or eleventh dimension something like that, you

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not only have access to the physics of that said dimension,
but you can also use all the other physics of
all the other dimensions bringing it into that dimension.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
Oh really yeah, Okay, Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
I don't know how they even observe that and understand
that to be true unless it's just in the math,
and it's possible, you know.

Speaker 7 (11:53):
But stuff that I learned a little bit from just
some of the information, but and just kind of combined
with my own knowledge to form some sort of metaphor
or analogy.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
Is that as far as like there being different parameters,
that seems to be the case, Like, for instance, the
gravity in this basically the way that they describe gravity
and the way slipped the world and things like in
our dimension. It's more of like like a setting and

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you know, like in like in Halo, whenever you play
Forge or whatever, and you can like set up the
map and you can you can change the gravity, you
can do whatever you want. You know, it's like adjust
the physics of the game for this reality. And that's
how it is. It's hard set in that game once
you're playing it. This is the way it works. But
like there's other things that can be changed from outside

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of this reality, and that would be you or some
you know, other being higher beings kind of curating this
experience for you know, the people or whoever's you know,
doing things inside of it at that moment. And Glad
one of those parameters that is fluid as you go up.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Dude, that's fluid as in I'm sorry, just to make
sure that I'm following you. So it's fluid as far
as it's it's different each level up, that's what you're saying,
or is it consistent throughout?

Speaker 5 (13:21):
Just just it.

Speaker 7 (13:23):
Uh, it can either be on or off, or it's
it's something that is not it's it's optional.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
Okay, all right, I'm with you. I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
I almost look at it like it's uh so we're podcasters.
We have all this podcasting equipment, but we have the
the the audio mixers too, right, and so on all
the audio mixers, you're gonna have the different faders, right,
and so the faders are basically just the toggles that
are you know, rais and lower your voice like this,
and so it's going in and out, and it's probably

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something along those lines to where I think it's just
gonna get like Terrence McKenna, it's just like fucking every
dimension you go up is just gonna get weird and
weird weirder.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
Right, Gravity's optional in the dream world, are So I
mean it makes.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
Sense like that for sure for sure. Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
So, yeah, we had the Buddha quotes and so mentalism
explains why this is. So the quote that he said
was all that we are is the result of what
we have thought. So mental mentalism explains why this is.
So we live inside a living dream shaped by the
universal mind.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Holy yeah, because basically the reality that you see is
not only the the understandings and the thoughts that you
have moments and moment, but also shared with everybody else's
thoughts and moments and moment happenings, you know, in real time.
So basically, yeah, everything we see, everything, reality itself is
just a big mind game, dude.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, yeah, and and and death as you know. Yeah,
So now we're gonna get to the all because the
hermeticis will call God, the universe, the Source, the one whatever,
They call it the all, right, which applies? So the all?
Is it as cosmic mind? Or is it God? It

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says that which is the fundamental truth, the substantial reality
is beyond human understanding, yet we must speak of it
as if it were. That's a quote from the Kabalian. Okay,
I almost feel like I got to read that over again.
That which is the fundamental truth, the substantial reality is
beyond human understanding, yet we must speak of it as

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if as if it were. Okay, So it's kind of
like the the news, contemplating on the one it can
only imagine it. But in order to be able to
contemplate it, you have to be able to try and
grasp the concept of it, put yourself there right So,
Hermeticism calls it the All, Hinduism calls it Brahmin, the

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Kabbalah calls it einsoff Taoism calls it the doo. It
is infinite, unknowable consciousness dreaming reality into existence. And Hindu
myth it is Vishnu the Preserver, dreaming the entire cosmos
on the serpent, Ananta floating on the cosmic ocean. When
Vishnu awakens, the dream dissolves. Could this be our reality?

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A vast divine dream? So now we're going to get
to actually uh Vishnu's dream? This is, you know, maybe
it's a parable maybe whatever. Look at it however you want.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
I'm beyond the point of wondering did this really happen?
I don't care. I don't care. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
What's there? What do you get from it?

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yes, yes, you know.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
It's it's like I care about the message more than
I care about what physically really happened, you know, you
get to a point where it's just like people can
you know, they're they're like, did Jesus ever really exist?
Or was he just kind of a story. I'm like,
who cares? Who really cares? Because what did you get
from him? You know what I'm saying, Like, that's all
that really matters. It's not like you're gonna go dig
his fucking dead body up anyway, not that he oh

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he got kind of ascended to heaven.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Or whatever anyway, but anyway, so that.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Kind just blipped out. I think I think it did.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Yeah, God just snapped. It's like your mind.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
No.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
So, Vishnu's dream the divine dreamer. So in Hindu cosmology,
the god Vishnu rests upon the infinite serpent Ananta, whose
name means endless, floating on the uh Kashira Sagara, which
is uh the ocean of milk. So, Vishnu is in deep,
timeless meditation, and from his navel springs a lotus. Within

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the lotus sits Brahma, the creator, who manifests the world's
the beings, and the cycles of time. All of existence, galaxies, planets,
and lives unfold within Vishnu's dream, sustained by his thought.
But this dream is not permanent. When the cycle ends,
Vishnu awakens, and with that awakening, all the world's dissolve

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back into the cosmic ocean. It is not destruction as punishment,
It is dissolution into unity, the dream returning to the dreamer.
This cycle of creation, preservation, and dissolution repeats eternally, like
the inbreath and outbreath of a sleeping god. This myth
illustrates mentalism in its most poetic form. Reality is not solid,

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it's not a fixed thing. It is a thought dreamed
into existence by an infinite mind. And if Vishnu is
dreaming all of this, then we two are fragments of
that dream. Our lives, our struggles are triumphs, fleeting ripples,
and an endless ocean of thought. And yet, because we
are part of Vishnu's dream, our own thoughts participate in
shaping the dream itself.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
That's pretty cool, whether or not that's really happening. You know,
it's just a neat story to kind of get a
point across, you know.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just the idea behind me anyway.
And that's the thing, Like, let it just be a myth.
I don't care if Odin literally plucked out his fucking
eye for knowledge. I really don't care if that physically
literally happened.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
What does it mean.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
It's all symbolic, you know what I'm saying, Like, I
don't need to eat a mcdouble to uh oh, how
do I want to say that?

Speaker 5 (19:20):
Now?

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Whenever I whenever I look at a McDonald's sign, you know,
the Golden arches, it's not that I need to eat
a mcdouble in order to understand what the symbolism of
the Golden arches actually all entails.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
You know, like you you get it.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Whenever you look at the Golden Arches, you get everything.
You know, you think of the chicken, mcnuggies and the
French fries and the big Mac and the double quarter
pounder and fucking happy Meal, and like it's all encompassed
in that one symbol. So that symbol represents so many things.
And I think that that's really all myth is. It's
just supposed to be symbolic. Who cares, Like, you know,

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it doesn't matter if it was or not. Supermarket said McNuggets.
You need to eat the nuggets. I do love the mcnuggies.
You just can't look into how they're made, bro, because yeah, So,
speaking of the matrix, Sean, I got a little doozy
here for you, sir.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
You're always thinking about me. I got you, baby girl.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
So mentalism and the matrix. Mentalism helps us see what
mystics and philosophers have always hinted, that this world is
not physical in the way that we think it is
a matrix, a mental construct. This is not just abstract theory,
it is the core truth hidden in plain sight even
in our pop culture mythology. Consider the Matrix films. Neo

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lives in a simulated world designed to keep humanity asleep,
unaware of their true nature. This is more than sci fi.
It's modern gnosticism. The Wakowskis, which are the people that
created it, intentionally borrowed from Hermeticism, Buddhism, and Christian mysticism
whenever they created the movie, Morphius tells Neo, you've been

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living in a dream world. Neo, imagine just like somebody
dead ass. I'm going to tell you that some great
lines in that movie. Dude, let us be here, Morpheus.
That's what we want. And this is exactly what the
Kabbalian tells us. We live in a dream, the dream
of the all. In the film or in the films,

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Neo awakens, he becomes lucid. In the dream, he realizes
that the rules of the matrix, gravity, speed, even death
are only real if he believes them to be. When
he lets go of these illusions, he bends reality itself.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Think of the spoon bending right, that's it, yep.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
So this is mentalism in action, mastering the mind to
master the dream. And here's the parallel. In our world.
We are Neo, We are fragments of the all, temporarily
lost in the dream, believing ourselves to be separate, powerless individuals.
But when we awaken, we become. When we become lucid,
remember the truth that we are the dreamer and the dream.

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This is the invitation of mentalism to wake up to
your true self, to realize that the all, the all
that dreams the cosmos, is the same consciousness as same
consciousness dreaming as you.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Damn. That's fucking great, dude.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
And the reason why we want to talk about these
kind of things is because I believe just my own
personal beliefs, I mean, everybody is inclined to believe whatever
they want. I mean, we're we're never going to prostolytize
and tell you what to believe, because hey, I believe
something entirely different last year than I do now, you
know what I'm saying. And that's that's just the truth
of spirituality is that it's ever evolving, and so it's

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just compacting on top of compacting, and you know, pulling
from this and pulling from that. You know, we talked
about the the Eclectic Witchcraft episode. That's really what we're
trying to do, you know, to be that coexists kind
of bumper sticker and just try and make sense of
this reality in one form or fashion. Because the people
that just walk around and they're like, oh, you know,
I gotta pay my bills, I gotta take care of

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my kids, and I gotta go to work, and you know.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
My sister such a bitch or whatever.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Right, It's like they're so caught up in this reality
that they don't even they don't remember not being here.
And I'm and I'm not trying to sit here and
say that I remember my past lives or anything. Yeah,
I got, you know, hypnotically regressed, as a lot of
you did. But but just thinking about it, like man,
whenever you're able to separate yourself from your ego and

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be above your ego, even if it's only temporarily in meditation,
you see, like it's it's right in front of you, Like,
how is it possible that you are able to observe
yourself in meditation?

Speaker 6 (23:45):
That shouldn't exist, That shouldn't.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
Be possible, right, And I think that when we when
we talk about that, we're talking about consciousness. You know,
I feel like that is the you know, I've said
it before, you know, I feel like consciousness is the
most fundamental thing that we can really come to understand,
you know, And I feel like that's the thing that
makes everything possible. We're talking about mentalism, you know, and

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the ability to believe in something or I feel like
that's that's something that's just ours.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
You know.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
We're allowed to believe whatever we want, you know, whether
it's true or not. I mean, who knows, right, But
just the ability to put belief into something and living
through living that way, you know, I don't know, I
feel like that's just I don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
I think it's awesome, man.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Well, and it's up to the interpreter and what the
interpreter experiences, you know. And I was actually just talking
to somebody earlier, and y'all know about my whole alohem
and trumpet situation and all that, but I was just
talking to somebody earlier who had tried mushrooms for the
very first time, not that long ago, and and she
was like, she was like, you know what's funny, I'll

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never do mushrooms again because it scared the fuck out
of me. And I was like, bet, I've been there before.
But she goes, it was weird because all night I
kept on hearing an instrument and I was like, oh
my god, was it a trumpet? And she was it
wasn't a trumpet. She she said that it was like
the symbols clasp clasping, oh yeah, which was really strange.

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So I'm like, you know, I don't I don't know
what that is. You know, like whenever I hear a
trumpet voice announcing itself as the yellowheem.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
I mean, what is you know?

Speaker 6 (25:24):
How do I apply that to my life? You know
what I'm saying, But how do you apply that to mentalism?

Speaker 4 (25:33):
I mean, it came from your mind. It came from
the mind. The mind is all you know.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
I don't know. I don't really know.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Is it just tapping into the infinite mind that has
experienced everything and that is a part of everything at.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
That point, that's possible, you know.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
I mean, if we're talking about, you know, the whole
belief thing, and in a particular belief, there is that
frame of thought, and so were you tapping into the
egggre or the energy of that, you know, even though
it wasn't your own belief. I don't know. I mean,
I'm sure it's possible. No, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
I I'm gonna keep I'm just gonna like have that
in the back of my mind at all times, but
until I find out what to do with it, you know, right.
So anyhow, now we're going to get to a little
bit of quantum physics as it pertains to mentalism. So
modern science is now echoing these ancient insights. Quantum physics
shows that particles exist only as probabilities until observed. The

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holographic universe theory suggests that each part of reality contains
the whole consciousness collapses the wave into matter. As Max
Planck said, which he was the father of quantum theory.
Bro listen to this quote. Max Plank the father of
quantum theory. Okay, okay, he goes. I regard consciousness as fundamental.

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I regard matter as derivative from consciousness.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Right, it's secondary.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yes, yes, that matter comes from consciousness, not the other
way around.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Right, And that's a trip to get your head around,
I think, right, you know, yeah, that's what I'm saying,
Like everything is so backwards, like then then what you thought,
you know, like you think that matter was here and
everything that everything else supersedes or essentially comes from that.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
And and so this brings forth the idea that absolutely
even for the atheists out there, it's like, all right,
well if if if you're somebody who applies, you know,
the the quantum physics kind of understanding to your life,
maybe you're maybe you dig the the the what the
fuck is it called the double slit experiment? Or if
you dig what Max Plank is saying, then how could

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you possibly just assume that whenever your body dies, that
you die if consciousness comes before material body, right at
that point.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Right, and whenever it comes to science, you know, the
main thing that they're going to say is that, well
there's just no evidence of it, you know. And so
I guess in that sense, it's just the same as
them also saying they don't know. Well, you know what
I mean, they could say no because there's no evidence,
but you know, there's no evidence that there there isn't
something going on with that after the fact.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, well, I mean it's man, it's
just so strange. I love it though, you know, I
love that it's so backwards. Like, and I'll be real, dude,
one of the first things that really got me was
the fact that like and and I don't know why
it took me so long to learn this or understand
this what I'm about to say, but I never really
paid attention in school, so it makes sense. So whenever

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whenever I somebody told me or maybe I did a
little bit of research on it, and but they said,
you know, whenever you stub your toe, like on a
corner of a wall, which I'm always prone to do
several times a day usually, Yeah, but whenever you do.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
That, it's not your toe hurting.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
It is your toe that has sensors that sends that
information up to your brain, and your brain lets your
the rest of your body know that it hurts in
that one specific area.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
Yeah, and I'm like, what, yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
That's pretty cool, right, I mean you can you can
understand that, you can you can say, okay, that's actually happening.
But man, when you have a toothache, I like the
one I had just recently, dude, I was like, all right, brain,
I understand this thing's hurting. You know needs attention. You
can stop sending me that signal, now, you know what
I mean. There's nothing worse than a toothache. Bro, I know, yeah,
just it's like, all right, I got it. Put a

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put a fork in me with that, dude. There was
one time I had to get all four wisdom teeth
pulled at the same time because they were all growing
in the opposite They weren't growing up, they were growing
in like that, right, And so I had to get
them all pulled. And back then I was a cigarette smoker, bro,
I got dry socket and all four of those talk
about smoke for a few days. You're like, damn, I'll

(29:48):
be fine, man, I'm gonna smoke. Yeah, I'll be bro.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
I I would never ever think about suicide, but if
I was ever close, it was in that moment, Like
you want to talk about the most pain that you
could ever imagine it was. I would rather somebody chop
my fucking arm.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Off like it was.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
It was bad. Dude.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Oh yeah, for sure. I was thinking the same thing
when it was getting real bad. And finally when she
was pulling it out, I don't think that she uh
numbed it up enough. Like she numbed it up enough
to where when she started to mess with it, I
was like, okay, cool, I don't really feel anything, just
the pressure and the movement of her messing with me.
And then at one point she was really getting in there,
putting her weight into it, you know what I mean.

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She was like swaying back and forth, and I was like, oh,
I can feel that, like you know, that nerve sensation.
It's like a weird, like just the most uncomfortable nerve pain.
I was starting to feel that, and I was like, uh,
I think I can feel that. So she gave me
more shots, you know, to numb it up more. But dude,
that right there, the feeling of the I don't know,
maybe it was twenty seconds because I was like trying
to be tough about it, you know, I was like, Okay,

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she's almost there, you know, that's hell, and like that
would be my personal health right there, if there is one.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
That's the fire and brimstone right there, dude.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah, the rocking back and forth of that, just forever
you like. Meanwhile, she's all you're gonna feel a little
bit of pressure.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah, I feel it. I feel it. You're putting your
weight into it.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Yeah, that'll get you a hate going to the dentist. So,
just to finish that up, mentalism is not an outdated mysticism.
It's cutting edge cosmology. In regards to the quote from
the quantum theory or the father of quantum theory. Nextly,
we have fractal minds, you as the all in miniature

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miniature miniature.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Okay, this is actually a quote and we don't quote
it very often, but we should from Hermes Trisma justus
who said man is a star bound to a body.
Interesting sounds about, right, Nick. Are we one of the
seven sisters?

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Brother or what.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
We don't know? We don't know?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, So it says you are not separate from the all.
You are a fractal of the universe consciousness, thinking and
creating within the dream. When you imagine, when you create,
when you think, you are wielding the same power that
called the galaxies into being. This is why Jesus said
the Kingdom of God is within you. It's why Buddha
taught that our thoughts shape our existence. You are not

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a victim of reality. You are a co author of it.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
When you understand that and you are having a really
fucked up day, it's like, you don't you can't even
blame no one, you know what I mean, There's nothing
you can do. You're like, I'm doing this, I'm volunteering,
I'm putting myself through this. Yeah, you know, because you
are that powerful, you know.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
Yeah, honestly it does feel like that.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
Man.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
It's just it's so wild trying to wrap your mind
around all this stuff because you're almost you almost have
to like just take down all the old buildings that
represented each one of the individual thoughts that you had
in your brain in order to be able to reconstruct
and build all the build them all the way back up. Like, Yeah,
there's a there's a like a a I don't know,

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like a deconstruction period that has to go on first,
Like you have to literally you have to just kind
of get used to having your mind blown on a
daily basis, you know, what I'm saying, like I've actually
grown to like become kind of addicted to it.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
Oh yeah, dude.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
And like I said, you know, and I've talked about
this before too, that that familiarity of what you think
this existence is or what you're like, let's just put
it in terms of just for you. You know, how
you see things is constructed over time, you know, so
it takes time for you to develop that. But as
it's going, and as while you're in it, before any
kind of awakening or you know, anything like that, that's

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just what it is. It's just normal. It's this just
what you know. And so once you find out that,
you start checking certain things off, like, well, that's not
what I thought it was, and that's not what I
thought it was before you know it, You're like, okay,
I have to try to almost forget everything I know,
you know. And I feel like that's how I or
how we've been approaching things is let's pretend we don't
know any thing and then build from there, you know,

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and only really accept what really what really resonates.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah, I mean it's it's you got to build it
up piece by piece in essence, so you yeah, it's
a process. And that's the thing, is that we all
want to just get there right now so that we
can judge the universe and judge ourselves accordingly. And that's
something that I'm not gonna lie to you do. Whenever
I first got into all this, my reason for wanting
to get into it was a personal reason to try

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and help me figure out what the quote unquote right
thing to do in this reality is. You know what
I'm saying, Like you want some kind of path, like
some kind of light? Like, all right, am I supposed
to just go along to get along? Am I supposed
to do what everybody else is doing? Is my life
dependent on how much money I make, how big of

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a house I have, how sweet my car is?

Speaker 6 (34:52):
Like is that all life is? Because I can?

Speaker 3 (34:54):
I can do that, That's fine, But I only want
to do it if that's like really what it is.
And then you start getting into the spiritual shit and meditation,
and you know, you're looking into everything else and you're like,
fuck all this material shit, it doesn't matter anyway, Like
I mean, yeah, you know, you want to be able
to have fun in the playground whenever you're there, which
if this reality is somewhat like a playground. You know,

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you're not just you don't want to just like sit
on the teeter totter all day. Sometimes you need some
monkey bars, you know what I mean, Like sometimes you
need a swing set, which is fine, but you don't.
I feel like too many people put themselves into slavery
with all the debt that they put themselves in, and
then they're.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
Stressed out all the time.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
They're depressed, they have so much anxiety and oh my god,
I don't have any money, and then you know, it's
a downward spiral from that point. Meanwhile, whenever you find out,
like I mean, we all can understand that we're not
bringing any of this shit with us whenever we die. So,
I mean, what's the most important parts of life is
the shit that is, Like it doesn't really cost much, if.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Anything, right, Yeah, And sometimes it just feels like it's
out of necessity. You know, you needed to figure some
shit out because how it was going before, you know,
it was just causing you too much pain, you know.
And so yeah, man, that's while we're here.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
That's what we're doing. So there's a website I wanted
to pull up here. This is from the hermeticpath dot com.
I mean, what better way to what better place to
pull this kind of information from?

Speaker 5 (36:19):
Seems right?

Speaker 3 (36:21):
It says the power of mentalism in Hermetic thought. So
it's not a long article, just a couple of minutes,
but it says shaping reality through the power of thought.
Among the seven Hermetic principles, mentalism stands out as particularly profound.
It states that the all is mind, meaning that everything
we experience, our relationships, environments, and even the universe itself

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is a mental construct. This doesn't mean that life is
an illusion, but rather that everything begins with thought. That
is the from the Kabalion. It says, imagine your mind
as the architect of your reality. Every thought that you have,
every belief that you hold, plays a role in shaping
the world around you. Mentalism teaches that reality is a
mental projection, and by understanding and mastering this principle, you

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gain a sense of empowerment. You become more aware of
how your internal state influences your external world. This idea
isn't new. The ancient sages and mystics have always stressed
the importance of mental clarity and focus, but in today's world,
where distractions are rampant and stress can cloud our judgment.
Mentalism offers a beacon of hope. It reminds us that

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by mastering our thoughts, we can transform our lives. This
principle encourages us to cultivate mindfulness and intentionality and how
we think, for our thoughts are far more powerful than
we realize. It says that the heart of mentalism is
the understanding that thoughts hold incredible power. Our mental state
shapes our perception of reality, influencing not only how we

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see the world, but also the outcomes that we experience.
This philosophy mirrors psychological research, which demonstrates that my sets
and belief systems can significantly affect our life outcomes. For example,
individuals who maintain an optimistic outlook tend to attract favorable circumstances,
while those who focus on negativity may hinder their potential.

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Research on the Placebo effect offers concrete evidence that mental
states can alter physical outcomes one hundred percent. Yeah, like
if you think about it, so there are some like
just absolute freaks of nature as far as like super willpower.
The one that I always think of the most is

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he was a running back for the Vikings back in
the day Adrian Peterson, right, dude, like he like shattered
every bone in his knee.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Like there's no way.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
He had like a whole Booby Miles moment, you know
what I'm saying, Like from Friday Night Lights, shattered everything
and literally was able to come back at the end
of the season and finish the season with the team.
Now that's something that should literally take over a year
to heal, and he was able to heal it in
like five months. Like it was crazy, just through power

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of will and thought and just I know.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
The acceptance of being taken out of the game.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Man, Yeah, I don't accept that reality. Like I'm a
different I'm different, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
And as far as as far as mentalism, you know,
I feel like this is the one aspect of our
reality where you can really realize how powerful you are.
This is this right, here's how you get your power back.
You know, We've talked about a lot of different things,
and we can go into all these different modalities and
what have you, But mentalism, I think is the number
one thing that we should be looking at because that

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is where the power is.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, dude, one hundred percent. And I think that.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Man.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
It's just like, because there are people out there that
are so quick to go to the negative side if
something bad has happened in to.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
You, why is this happening to me? Of all?

Speaker 6 (39:52):
Of course it happens to me.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
That's just if I didn't have if I didn't have
bad luck, I'd have no luck at all. Kind of people, right, Ye.
And it's like, well, the universe just agreed with you.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Yeah, you know that the reality you chose you and
the reality that you're feeding into. And I know it's
easier said than done, you know, because even knowing this,
it can be hard to pull yourself out of that
and go, okay, and how do I how do I
change things around and make this a little more feasible
for myself and a little more doable something I can

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turn into a positive? It is it is sometimes hard
in the moment to do that, but but it's but
you can you can do that.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
And the thing is is that there are no like
you can't make excuses either, Like you can't not only
not excuses, but you have to maintain a level of
discipline within yourself to not allow yourself to fall into that.
Like just the other day, I was playing with this
idea as a matter of fact, and and what was

(40:54):
it that happened? I was like, because I've come to
the understanding that whenever you succumb to, uh, you know,
a negative emotion or whatever, whether it be anger or
sadness or whatever, right, whenever you succumb to that, like,
does it literally like traverse and transmute your entire reality

(41:14):
and how like in your relationship with the reality that
you're in, or can you overcome that? So, for instance,
can you like if I if I woke up and
I stubbed the toe and I said, oh, fucking whatever, right,
and then I let that continue to carry on, would
I be able to stop it in its tracks? Or
is it going to be like still like flowing rigal

(41:38):
in that same direction, you know what I'm saying. And
so I tried it out, and I was like, bro,
it is so hard to stop it once you get
that puppy rolling, like you you really got to stop
it in its tracks because that negativity it's a full
on magnet in and of itself. You know, It's like
one thing stacks up on top of another thing, and
it's only amplifying the thing that was the previously came,

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and so I think the same thing can really be
said for positivity or at least neutral, you know, like
if you just remain neutral, all right, you know, we're
not asking you to to you know, sing Kumbai yah
and you know, become whistling Annie by any means. But
if you even if you can just remain neutral and
stay the middle path, then the universe will be like,
all right, well, we're just gonna let you take it

(42:21):
easy today.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Then, oh, because that's what you're joking. Yeah, And because
I think a lot of those things that that might
happen to you throughout the day can be so little
that you might not even notice them as being like
super overall bad, you know, but they stack up, you
know what I mean, if you just keep allowing that
to affect you, then it's all over dude.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah, and there, And that's the thing whenever that, whenever
it comes to the mind, there is nothing that's little,
you know, like you can't miniature the size of you know,
whatever you let out or whatever you feel or whatever
you allow yourself to feel. Because and this is really
what God it was a sad guru that said, he goes,

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I don't allow others to make me feel happiness. He goes,
there will never be anybody that ever makes me happy.
It's me allowing myself to feel that happiness. And it's
just kind of taking control of every single emotion that
you have. And it's not because like, oh, I don't
want to allow other people to get me to make

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me feel happy, because then they might you know, pull
the rug. And no, it's not like that. It's more
so of taking control of your your internal alchemy, if
you will, and all the chemicals and all the reactions
that are constantly firing off and everything right, And it's
taking control of that and saying, all right, I'm going

(43:47):
to allow myself to feel happiness, because if you think
about it, you are allowing yourself to feel anger. You
might not think you do, but it is almost it's
damn near contractual if you really, if you really like,
get out in front of it and think about it,
because like, all right, let's say somebody cuts you off.
You know in that moment, do you could react two ways?
Like you know that you could you know, scream all

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the different curse words, or you can just be like, ah, man,
he's probably just having a bad day. You know what
I'm saying, he's in a rush, He's probably gonna be
late to work. I feel for him, you know, Like
you can look at it completely like that's polar opposites,
but if you think about it, if you can get
out in front of it and come to the realization
in that moment where you have a decision to make,
am I going to allow this to wreck my day?

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Or am I just going to let this bypass so
that it doesn't stack up?

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Oh? Absolutely, And going off of what you said as
far as sad Guru goes, you know, him not allowing
people to be in charge of his happiness, you know,
for the same reason why like if you did that,
if he does that, then he is susceptible to also
allowing the opposite, you know. And so when you first
said that, I think it was a few days ago,
I was like, it sounds kind of weird to me,

(44:58):
you know when you hear it that way. But when
you think about it in those terms, then you're also
just like signing that contract to allowing it in the
negative as well, and so really managing that inner world, Yeah, Baly,
you know yourself.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Basically just trying to show that every single thought, intention,
and you know action that you take that every single
one of them have ripples. And this is where people get,
you know, like kind of struggle with it a little
bit because they're like, ah, well, my mind doesn't manipulate anything.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
I can.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
I can have these actions, but what goes on in
my mind it has no implications, right.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
And these are the people that like maybe they.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Try and put off the idea that like, oh, they're
really good people and they're such good parents, and they're
really good at their job, and they have they just
always have, you know, just something nice to say all
the time.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
But then you catch them like outside on the phone
on a smoke break and they're telling their wife to
go hang themselves or something like that. It's like, oh,
so you're just putting on a show, you know. And
so so that is not internal alchemy at all. That's
actually the opposite. And if you think about it, those
people are usually the ones that are the like the
most miserable because their internal world is chaotic and they

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don't know that they can tend to that internal world
because they think that their actions it's almost like integrity,
like do the right thing given whenever nobody's looking. Well,
you should do the right thing in your mind, even
whenever you think like, because it does have some implications
on the outer world, even if you don't think it does.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
Yeah, I think you know, people are not really giving
your your thoughts enough credit, you know, like, oh, negative thoughts.
You know, it's just a thought, is immaterial, it's not
even gonna do anything, but it will literally create your
entire day.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Man, you know, and I don't know a hundred percent,
and think about it like this, like, so I'm gonna
I'm gonna give you a little example, Sean. Now, if
I could sit here and I could tell you the
worst possible thing ever, and I could be even like
a run on sentence, I might just go and write
like a whole page of full of the most nasty,

(47:08):
disgusting things that I could ever tell you, to try
and belittle you and make you as tiny as possible.
Right right in that moment, I'm probably only talking to
you for a minute, maybe two minutes, three minutes something
like that, right, Yeah, But it's up to you on
how you're going to react to it, right, And so
your reaction, whether you react instantly or not, you're going

(47:31):
to you know, essentially, if you decide to react to it,
even internally, you're carrying on all of that anger and
that negativity and everything for far longer than the moment
that I just that I.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Just shared with you. Oh yeah, definitely.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Like, so, you know, I could chew you out for
two or three minutes, but you're going to let it
affect you for literally the next ten hours probably, so
you are actually so you're actually treating yourself worse by
allowing that reaction to affect you as much then even
what I did to you in.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
The first place, right, and allowing my brain to just
loop that and just keep looping all of the different
things you said, and maybe I get some of them
wrong and make them even worse, you know, because the
brain is just it's creative in that way.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
You know.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
One of my coworkers told me, one of my co workers.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
Told me that I was a lot of soul, you
know what I mean, because I wouldn't just convert right
there in front of them, you know, for some reason,
like that's his mission is trying to get, you know,
to convert me. And told me that I was a
lot soul, and I don't know. When someone tells you that,
you're like, oh, that's kind of it seems inherently a
negative thing, you know. But then I was like, Okay,
I can be upset and be like you just don't

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understand or whatever and argue with him or something like that.
Or I could just go, Okay, I'm a lost soul
in your worldview, not mine. That's it. You know, in
your worldview, I'm going to hell in my worldview. Neither
none of us are, you know what I mean? So
what are we talking about? Why am I getting upset? Right? Right?

Speaker 3 (49:00):
And that's that's where it's really the most important, is
all right, there is an outside external world we you know,
we're only conscious of like five to ten percent of
our thoughts. The rest of it is unconscious thinking, right,
You're subconscious is playing everything so much more in the
background ninety to ninety five percent of the time.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Is it that?

Speaker 5 (49:21):
Right? Didn't I didn't know that?

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Yeah, it's like it's not even ten percent, Like I think,
even like the like the gurus and Yogi's and shit,
they might be at around twenty twenty five percent. Dude,
Like it's because you think about it. I mean, you're
gonna have sixty thousand thoughts in a day. How many
of them can you possibly be consciously aware of?

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Right and or remember and bring up later?

Speaker 3 (49:44):
You know, right, right and so so yeah, anyway we can.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
We can finish this because.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
I feel like I can go on this because these
are the kind of conversations that I have in my
own mind all the time.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Yea, you know, so, as I was saying.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Research on the place Zebo effect effect offers concrete evidence
that mental states can alter physical outcomes. When patients believe
that they are receiving effective treatment, their bodies often respond accordingly,
even when the treatment is inactive. This phenomena supports the
hermetic idea that thought influences reality in tangible ways. Mentalism

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takes this a step further, suggesting that by consciously focusing
on positive outcomes, we can manifest a desirable reality. Collectively,
shared mindsets shape societal outcomes. Major historical movements often begin
with a shift in thought, whether in civil rights, political revolutions,
or cultural renaissances. When groups adopt a shared vision of

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a new reality, they can bring about a significant change.
This collective power of thought emphasizes the idea that both
individual and group consciousnesses mold the world around us.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Wow. I mean that's pretty simply put.

Speaker 8 (50:55):
Man.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
You know, let's say you have twenty people and you're
all to construct a house, know, and one person has
like all of the plans and the positive attitude to
get it done, and the other the other nine people,
you know, they're just like, ah, fuck this, I don't
want to do this. I mean that house probably is
not going to get built as opposed to all ten
of them being on the same page and you know,
really wanting to get it done. Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
And this is this is literally the difference between Tulpa's
and eggregres. If you think about it, right, you get like,
how many people are you going to get to believe
in this mystical magical thing?

Speaker 5 (51:29):
Oh right?

Speaker 3 (51:29):
It will ultimately turn it into or from a Tulpa
into an Aggregor right. M So, it says mentalism is
often associated with mystical or magical thinking, and whilst some
may interpret it that way, there's no one in quotes
right approach. For some individuals, viewing mentalism as magic might
actually enhance their ability to work with the concept, as

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it taps into a sense of wonder impossibility in fact,
this sense of awe can be a powerful catalyst for
embracing new perspectives and unlocking creative potential.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
That sense of awe is a positive ingredient to the
stoop it is.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Yeah, I would say that it's dude, it's damn near
the fucking like it's the energetic crystal behind the madness.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
Right.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
I don't even think you can be in a bad
mood and being a sense of awe at the same time.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Not possible, I don't know. Let me think about that.
So there was one time I was playing football and
you know, wearing a helmet, you got a face mask on.
And I always tell the story, but I was I
back whenever I first started playing semi pro football. I
was always like I was getting into a fight every game.
I just love to fight. It was just so much fun.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Right, You're not really getting that hurt.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
It's like, you know, you got all this pad on,
but whatever, tempers get a little bit flared. So anyway,
I went to go tackle this guy, right, because I
played linebacker. I went to go tackle this guy and
I stripped the ball from him, so he fumbled it. Right,
He got so pissed, bro that he went to go
punch me, and his fist went through through the slight

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hole in my face mask and punch me in the nose. Oh,
I was pissed, but I was like, I'm actually impressed
with the accrescy, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
And then you still weren't mad because you were in
a sense of law, man, you were just impressed. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (53:16):
I was more impressed than I was mad, for sure.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
So yeah, excercy the accuracy, because I mean, you literally
have to be pinpoint accuracy to be able to punch
their face mask like that.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Yeah, So anyhow, it says to do Rather than dismissing
the magical interpretation, it's helpful to acknowledge that mentalism operates
on a spectrum, ranging from psychological principles rooted in focus
and intention, to more mystical viewpoints. Whether one sees it
as a tool of the mind or as a form
of magic, the core idea remains the same thoughts shape reality.

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So if thinking of mentalism as magic helps it resonate
more strongly, perhaps that's exactly how it should be experienced.
The beauty of mentalism is that it will allows for
personal interpretation, inviting individuals to engage with it in the
way that works best for them. This version encourages flexibility
and how readers approach the concept, whether they lean towards science, psychology,

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or a magical view. So you think about it, it works
for everybody in that point.

Speaker 5 (54:18):
And I see that's the thing. It's not the Hermitic principles.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
They're not some sort of dogma, They're not some sort
of you know, it's more the along the lines of
something that we observe just in nature.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
It's just natural.

Speaker 6 (54:31):
Yeah, It's like, how are you going to use this tool?

Speaker 4 (54:34):
You know?

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Like you can use a hammer many of different ways.
It doesn't necessarily have to be hammering a nail, you know.
I mean you can punch holes through shit with that,
you can bash somebody in the head with it, or
you can use it to pull up nails or whatever. Right,
and so there's many a different ways to be able
to use said tool. It's you know, how are you
going to use it? Once you can grasp the concept
of it.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
Right, and then apply it to your worldview whatever it
may be.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
So it says for those ego to dive deeper, mentalism
serves as the gateway to other hermetic principles. Once you
understand how your mind shapes your reality, you'll naturally seek
to explore the other truths that govern the universe.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
Oh, I love it. It's already doing that.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Yeah, that's definitely what we're doing. So now we're gonna
get into mentalism as it pertains to planetary magic.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
All right.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
So we're gonna get a little weird here, all right.
So this is a quote from the Emerald Tablet says
that which is below corresponds to that which is above,
and that which is above corresponds to that which is below.
The planets are not dead rocks. They are living archetypes,
mental intelligences, radiating cosmic frequencies. The sun represents will, the

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moon is intuition, Mars is drive, Venus is love, which
is Magicians and astrologers align their intentions with these mental
forces to magnify their impact. To manifest under a waxing
moon in Taurus is not superstition. It is harmonizing your
thoughts with the universal currents of growth and abundance. So,

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and that's one of the key concepts to magic and
witchcraft and all that kind of stuff, is that once
you're able to grasp what it all means, how do
you allow yourself to like to believe it in order
to allow it to happen, because it's ultimately all up
to you in the first place. Right, And if this

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dream is an illusion of sorts, or if this reality
is if this dream is an illusion, if this reality
is somewhat of a dream or an illusion and is
very malleable, then once you understand the different tools that
people use in order to be able to manipulate it
in their favor, then you'll understand that it's not necessarily
about the tools that they're using. It's more about how

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are they allowing their minds to accept that this is
a possibility.

Speaker 5 (56:56):
Right.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Yeah, I recently saw something that said true magic is
the ability to instantly switch states of consciousness, and I
was just like boom, it would just hit me.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
I was like, oh shit, so and and there's ways
of being able to make that happen a little bit easier.
You know, meditating regularly, dude, Even if you meditate once
a day. We meditate on average two or three times
a week, just us as individuals, right, obviously two every
week with the shows, and then we might you know,
go off and do one on our.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Own, you know usually.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
But if you were able to do that, if you
if you knew the importance, which we know, the importance
of meditation, the profound effect that it has on your
life and everything, if you knew how important it was,
and you were able to implement that on a regular
daily ritual, so to say. And you whether you woke
up and meditated, or right before you went to sleep

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you meditated, or on your work break you meditated, or whatever. Right,
if you were able to do that once a day, dude,
I imagine that you'll be able to manipulate your reality
a hell of a lot easier. Because think about it
like this. That's that's all the witches are doing. That's
all the magicians are doing. That's all the her meticists
are doing. That's all the cobbalists are doing.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
That's all of you.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Know, the these mages and sages and all of them, right,
even the fucking druids here, right, Like the druids, think
about what they were doing. They were just walking through
the grove, right and being in that forest, you know,
with the ambiance of the tree canopy and the little
bit of sunlight coming through and hearing the insects and

(58:31):
it's usually a pretty like a regular tone, whether you're
listening to the locusts or the cicadas or whatever is
giving off that that just consistent kind of rhythm that
the forest in the in the woods in general put off.
You would literally be walking and meditating at the same time,

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which I believe is what made the druids so powerful,
is because they were always in that meditative state, which
always which allowed them to be able to manipulate their
reality around them right, probably tenfold.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
Oh absolutely, And I was just thinking, you say, we
should we should probably probably be meditating once a day,
you know, like if you get up in the morning
and you just go into a meditation and you just
like almost fine tune your subconscious to uh as far
as what you want to experience, you know, on a
daily basis, Now you're going to more than likely experience,

(59:25):
more easily experience those things, you know, ultimately changing your reality.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Yeah, the trip, dude, have you ever have you ever
talked to somebody who is like you ever like had
an in depth conversation with somebody who's Muslim?

Speaker 5 (59:41):
Uh No, I haven't, actually, bro.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Like, it's actually pretty crazy the amount of times that
they pray per day, right, oh right, and it's like
it's a really like strong practice. So they they they
pray five times a day, all right, five times a day.
They are stopping what they're doing and going to pray, meditate,
same thing if you really think about it, and there

(01:00:07):
go ahead, Nick.

Speaker 7 (01:00:07):
I think it depends on what there's like different sets.
Some of them are three, some of them are five.
Depends like hardcore. But it's like the it's like the
she I.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
Is there and.

Speaker 7 (01:00:22):
That's what I did, like super traditional and then like
the modernized version and that's the three.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
Right, And just out of my own curiosity, I don't
even think it matters really, but like is there a
rule that they, you know, have to meditate for a
certain amount of time or how long typically are these prayers.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
They have like five a day.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
They have like prayer rituals. So that's what I'm looking
up right now. Actually, I'll share the screen because I
do find it fascinating just for the what's the what's
the term for the the dedication to it and understanding
how much of an effect that it does have in
your life whenever you do it every day as opposed

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to when you don't do it, and they'll tell you.
They're like, yo, if I if I miss one, man,
I'm off there. So I used to before I was
podcasting full time. I used to be a uh an
Uber Eats delivery driver, right, and there was always there.
There was this pizza restaurant back in Louisiana that he
used to always go to was run by these Muslim

(01:01:23):
this Muslim family, and pizza was so damn good. But
I used to always have these conversations because I'd be
sitting there waiting for the pizza to get ready and
stuff like that, and I would have a conversation with
the guy that was working there, and I would just
always be so inquisitive about you know, like what's the
Muslim way and what are your beliefs and how do
you practice it and just trying to understand it, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
And man, he went in on this, he said, yeah,
we pray.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
I pray five times a day, and and he goes,
I just feel so incredibly off whenever I miss it,
like because sometimes they'll get super busy, and you know,
working in a restaurant, it's like sometimes you can just
be busy all damn day. I mean, the shit can
really hit the fan sometimes being in the weeds and whatnot.
And yeah, so it seems like there's major implications. But
if you think about it, so they have let's see,

(01:02:12):
it says they have five pillars of faith and that
prayer is one of them. So the Islamic five pillars
are one is we don't have to go over them
or anything. But how do they pray? I believe is
kind of what you were going to. So it says,
as with other faiths, Muslims must observe specific rituals as
part of their daily prayers. Before praying, Muslims must be

(01:02:35):
clear of mind and body. That's going into meditation right.

Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
There, they understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Yeah, so Islamic teachings require Muslims to engage in ritualistic
washing of the hands, feet, arms, and legs before praying.
Worshippers must also be dressed modestly in clean clothing. So
it's I'm not super interested in everything else that goes
into it, but just the mindfulness of every single every
single thing they do. It's all ritualistic. And you call

(01:03:05):
it a ritual, it's it's a it's essentially a spiritual
Habit is really what.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
You do every day right exactly. And see, this is
what I was saying before, as far as you know,
the the principles being something that's just observable and and
you know, they have definitely noticed the impact of that,
whether or not they're I mean, obviously they're probably not
attributing they're praying five times a day to mentalism. I'm
not saying that at all, but they observe it, they

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understand the the necessity for that, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
So yeah, yeah, well that's why I was trying to
That was the point that I was trying to make,
is that it is a necessity to put yourself in
that frame of mind at least once a day, but
they're doing it five times right right now that I'm sorry,
go ahead, no, I was gonna say, I don't. I
don't know exactly how long they're praying for. I don't
know how long this is, but even still, just putting
yourself into that mental and physical clarity in that moment,

(01:03:56):
even if it's only for a minute, I mean, holy shit,
that that's got to be such a game changer to
do that five times.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
A day, right Well, I think it's very interesting, as
you mentioned that whenever he the gentleman you were talking
talking to, said that he would miss one, that he'd
be so off, and so going to mentalism there, it's
like the he the the belief system or or you know,
the worldview that he has set up for himself with
his mind. You know, he has to do it five times,
but if he misses one, it's going to throw him

(01:04:24):
off because he's in that that you know, I don't
want to call it a game, but in that reality,
well he's created so he it controls that, right, He's
created his own ritual.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
So, for example, I have a ritual that I do
before every single show. Now it's a very simple ritual.
Some might just say whatever. I don't know if i'd
call that a ritual, but it's repetitive. It's something that
I try and do every day. And I know that
if I don't have these things, you know, these specific
beverages or I make sure I use the bathroom right
before every show, So it's not in the back of

(01:04:54):
my mind. If I don't do all of these things
before every single episode, I feel off, you know what
I'm saying. So ritual does play a massive part in
just keeping you know, keeping you aligned in the awareness
that you're trying to obtain.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
What you've already accepted, right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Right, right, So anyhow we can move on. Now we're
going to get to witchcraft and the mentalist approach. I
always like to apply like every single possibility to this
because these are certain things that we love talking about
in just about every episode. And how can all of
these things incorporate themselves into each other? So, to quote

(01:05:33):
Aleister Crowley, think of him what you want, whatever he goes.
Magic is the science and art of causing change to
occur in conformity with will. Aleister Crowley said, that was
his quote. And so witches know that a spell is
not a superstition. It is a focused mental act. Candles, herbs,

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and sigils are tools to anchor a thought so deeply
that it imprints on the universal mind. A ritual for
protection doesn't build a wall around you. It convinces the
dream itself to keep you safe. Whoa one hundred percent
believe that's cool?

Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
And so it says the witch does not merely hope
for change. They declare it, and the mental field bends
to their will.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
Let it be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
So you know that's what I'm saying, dude, it's all
a fucking mind game. Everything part of this reality is
solid is you know, so you might as well.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
You might as well just you know, use mentalism and
pick an understanding or a framework or a worldview that
doesn't cause you so much fear, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
Right, you know it's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Just last night for the Cult Live show, me and
Jacob got onto the conversation of uh.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
He was like, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
I think he was talking about like how he has
conversations with God, right, and I was thinking. I was like,
all right, but you're having that conversation in your mind, right,
And he goes, well, no, you know, I'm not in heaven.
And I was like, yeah, but you know, whenever you're
speaking to God, that conversation isn't happening to you in heaven.

(01:07:13):
You're here on earth, like you know, wherever. It's almost
like the whole red shift blueshift thing, which we've talked
about a lot. But you know, I was like, you know,
you're having that conversation in your mind and he goes.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
Well, no, you know, people think that I'm weird.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
But I physically hear it, and I'm like, okay, buddy,
you know, but whatever, it's it's teach their own. But
I just thought that it was interesting to bring up
the idea that if all is in the mind and
all is of mind, then wouldn't it makes sense that
whenever people are having conversations with God or whoever, that
that is where the transmission is happening. I'm not saying

(01:07:46):
that it's all I'm not saying it's all made up
by any means.

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
That's not what I was trying to say.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
No, no, not at all.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
And with that, yeah, you know you said that he
can hear that audibly, I mean within within mentalism. I
don't even think that that's impossible. You know, who's to
say he's not?

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
No, And and the same thing with my elohem thing
on mushrooms. It's like I heard that. I couldn't describe
that it was happening outside of me or inside of me.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
But it didn't sound like a thought, you know, I
didn't feel like a thought. That's what you're saying, right right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Basically, what I'm saying is that the transmission happens in.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
The mind, right exactly. I'm with you, Nick, what you got.

Speaker 7 (01:08:22):
Two hours ago. Was listening to that part. I think
it was the branding called kroll one. Actually there's whenever.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
That That's what it was right before the line.

Speaker 7 (01:08:30):
But I was like, I was empathizing with you so
hard during that conversation. I was like, no, it is
it's going on in the mind. That's the only place
that can be outside of your mind, right, yeah, yeah,
I mean even me listening to you right now in
processing the information that you're saying, it's going into my
ears and it's also in my mind, yes, right, yeah,

(01:08:55):
So I mean the reality is is like that's where
it's all taking place, you know, but fundamental level, but
still any kind of thing that you hear, you know,
like that, I think it is in your mind, but
it sounds like it's not you know, like your higher
felper you know, GUIDs or whatever. It's all you know.

(01:09:16):
I think you maybe heard me say this before, but
I think that sometimes if you don't get the context,
that some of those words of wisdom could be misinterpreted as.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Yeah, yeah, right, then just look at it like.

Speaker 7 (01:09:36):
This, you's on the other side of you. Just assume
it's really easy to just keep brocking with that whatever
does that makes.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Sense right right?

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
And the way I like to describe it is all right,
So whenever you're listening to your radio in the car,
it's like, is that transmission being like if is the
radio station in your car or are you just receiving
that transmission through the medium of your and that would
be your mind, that would be the representation of your
mind at that point, right, the radio would be your mind.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
It's not saying.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
That, you know, the the Pleaadians are. I'm not saying
that the Pleaadians are in your mind. It's just anyway,
I'm not trying to get too convoluted here. My point
was is that you know all it's all in the mind,
and the all is mind, and I'm not I'm not
even trying to say that like it's all happening in
your brain, because I don't believe that at all. Actually,

(01:10:27):
I think that the mind is it's it's in the
it's in the brain, but also outside of the brain
at the same time.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Yeah, I don't honestly don't think it takes anything away
if it's happening within your mind, you know, I don't,
I don't, Yeah, I don't see the yeah, right right.

Speaker 9 (01:10:41):
Anyway, the perception of everything that we experienced, though, is
really like I was listening to like neuroscientists and people
like break break down how it actually works, Like the
way that you see in process information all of those things.

Speaker 7 (01:10:57):
You're essentially like it's like you're wearing a VR headset
and and all the information that's coming in through all
the sensors is forming a fully immersive virtual reality that's
being fed to your brain by those senses. So it's
like it's not even like in real time anyway, like

(01:11:20):
you're you're like slightly delayed, and it's just whatever you're
experiencing is your brain's interpretation of all those those like
sensations and everything to begin with, so that itself is
like a mind fuck anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Yeah, and oh super market said that, Well, let me
pull it back up here.

Speaker 8 (01:11:41):
The body.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
Your body is the VR set essentially.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense too, So it's
it's it's wild how it all works. But basically, the
whole point of what we're saying is is that every
single thing that has ever happened has been interpreted through
the mind, and so if you can look at it
like that, then it's not necessarily that it's like there's

(01:12:08):
the mind and then there's physical reality. And some people
like to separate the two, but ultimately it's a very
blurred line whenever it's you know, being transverse through the
waves of your.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Mind's creation in that sense. Man, Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
So we'll move on here to Tulpa's egger Gore's and
thought forms.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
Took a little minute. Since we've gone over that, I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Think it has so. To quote Napoleon Hill, always bring
him up. He wrote the book called Think and Grow Rich.
He said, thoughts are things. A simple little three word sentence,
he goes, if all is the segment goes, if all
is mind, then thoughts are not abstract. They are entities.

(01:12:55):
Tibetan mystics called them Tulpa's beings brought to life through
deep concentration. Western ocultists call them aggregors, collective entities born
of group intention, nations, religions, corporations. These are living ideas
fed by belief. But you can create your own, a
guardian Tulpa, an agrigor of luck. Mentalism makes you you

(01:13:17):
not just a thinker, but a creator of living thought.

Speaker 5 (01:13:21):
Mmmm, that's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
So these are all the things you think about it man,
as far as the the aggor goes or I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:13:28):
The tulpa.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
You know, whenever you have a thought of something maybe
something bad happened, you know, and you you have that thought,
it affects your whole body, you know, emotionally, physically. That's
the power of the tulpa. That's crazy, yeah, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Yeah, And they're just representations of It's almost like a
frozen thought in time, and it's like it's its own
what is it called l l M, which is large
large language model like a you know, like a chat
kind of thing. It almost takes on a mind of
its own, and you're the one that is inputting just

(01:14:04):
the base level understanding and foundation of it. And then
after a while it starts to you know, kind of
take a mind of its own in a sense.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
Right, And nobody else is feeding that but you.

Speaker 9 (01:14:14):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Yeah, And so Supermarket said, I'm trying to interpret the
signal without the mind. Well that's ultimately, I mean, that's
meditation right there, right, you know, he goes, So are
your guides just tulpa's and Eggregre's that only exist in
your mind?

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
I don't believe that they only exist in your mind.
I think that they're probably part of the unified field at.

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
That point, the universal mind.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Yeah, like for example, I mean, and take what you
want from this. But Lord Byron said that whenever he
was creating the servitor of Marv, he goes, oh, yeah,
Marvel's already there. So it's like, all right, was he
just like you know, stroking our flame a little bit
and saying that, you know, our belief in mar of
the octopus was you know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
Just at that time, that's what you would think right
at that time. So so you learn a little more. Yeah,
and it's like just us talking about it and even
referencing Marv. It was already constructing that, you know, as
a as an actual thing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
As a tulpa, as a thought form. Yes, So nextly
we're going to get to manifestation and bending probability, all right,
because bending probability, if the universe is mind and the
mind is universe and everything is of the mind, then
you know, once you get the hang of that concept,
you should be able to manifest a little bit more,

(01:15:41):
depending upon, you know, how dedicated and disciplined you are
with your practices. Right, okay, so uh, this is a
quote from Albert Einstein. As a matter of fact, imagination
is everything. It is the preview of life's coming attractions.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Yes, I love that one. For those who want to
take away from the imagination, dude, that's a hard hitter.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Oh yeah, everything is you know, energy, frequency and vibration
tesla two the smartest people to ever exist, and they're like, yeah,
it's all happening.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
In the mind.

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
First they were all one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Luck is not chaos. It is the alignment of your
mental field with favorable probabilities.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
Holy shit, that's a deep way to say that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
So, manifestation is not hoping. It is embodying the reality
you desire until the dream around you conforms. As Proverbs
in the Bible, Proverbs chapter twenty three, verse seven says,
as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.
So when you think like a person who wins, the
universe finds a way to make you right.

Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
That's that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
And the embodying part, or the embodying aspect of that
is important, you know, because people like to say like, oh,
you just think something and then it happens. I'm like, no,
you have to actually embody the entire expression of that
energy to be someone that would be able to receive
said thing.

Speaker 5 (01:17:03):
That you're trying to manifest.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Yes, yes, you have to take on the energy you know,
and the idea of Whenever we were talking about like
working with angels, it's like, all, right, are you calling
upon literal angels? Maybe I don't know, but are you
also not taking on the essence of said angel whenever
you call upon them?

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
And if you're taking the archetypal consciousness of that entity?

Speaker 6 (01:17:31):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:17:32):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
And why is it that people like Lord Byron and
know the Alchemist and people like that they try and
research as much as they possibly can about every entity
they work with because they know that it's only going
to power it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:44):
Well, why would you need to do that?

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Why would you need to know all the attributes and
all the characteristics of said angel or said entity or
demon or whatever. Why would you need to know all
of that if they exist outside of you, Because if
you just call upon them, they should just come and
should represent all of the characteristics already. But no, you're
voting them essentially, and you're embodying that, and you're taking
on that essence. And the more you learn about said

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topic or individual or entity or whatever is only going
to empower your own magical ritual working stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
Right, that's it. That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
So it's all mentalism, yep, is the reason. It's the
first one, man, you know, there's a reason.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
So do to do all right, mentalism and altered states? Okay, yes, right,
So as Platinus, who came after Plato and helped create Neoplatonism,
Platinus said, when the soul has seen the truth, it
takes flight, as if from a prison.

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
That's crazy, right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
The prison of your own mind. Rather.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Yeah, so, meditation, chanting, prayer, and psychedelics are portals to
the source code of the dream roomy your boy, we
got to bring him up every episode.

Speaker 5 (01:18:58):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
He called it the ocean of unity. In deep meditation
or dreams, we glimpse the mind of the all. In
those moments we remember we are not separate beings in
a material world. We are consciousness dreaming itself as human.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
Because in those moments you can truly let go of
who you think you are, you know, thus collapsing that
we're not collapsing, but re emerging you with that, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:19:27):
Hey, Jim Carrey, don't look so crazy now, huh.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
Not at all.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
He's like, none of this matters, right, It's like none
of us are even here right now.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
We're just energy particles dancing within the field of.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
Like there's a there's a fragrance, fragrance in the air,
but I don't think there's actually a person standing here. God.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Uh, super Market said, are we including nightmares as the
All's mind?

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
I think you have to. Yeah, it's a part of it,
the shadow aspect.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
And that's something that we've talked about that too. As
far as people seeing shadow beings or people seeing demon
or anything like that. Is that not only I mean
in this aspect, if the all is mind, if that
is a true statement, then the things that you're seeing
are not necessarily outside creations. Right It's almost like this
baby was cooked up in your own kitchen.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
Yeah, and it's within the boundaries of what you chose
to believe in and live by, you know what I mean.
And it's like, Okay, here, here's a nightmare because I
feel like you need this depending on because of what
you're going through or what have you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Look, the Native Americans call them skin walkers, the Christians
call them demons, the Muslims call them gin and none
of them really look the same. I mean, they all
look a little scary. You know, they all look a
little frightening, but ultimately all they are is just something
for you to attach that negative scary shit too. At
that point, they're just representations of things. And so Jacob,

(01:20:54):
being a Christian, of course, he saw a demon.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
You know, it's the polarity of the said belief system.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
It needs to it, it needs to manifest as something
some people. You know, it manifests as you know, a
part of the shadow or whatever, and it's just something
that is haunting. But ultimately it's your mind's way, essentially,
I believe it's your mind's way of being able to
bring it into form so that it can be represented

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represented as something.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
Yeah, you take a little mushroom trip and it's a
bad trip. There's the Boogeyman for that, for that part
of your journey, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Right right now, that's not to say that I'm not
here to say that what people believe is just all
made up in the mind. All I'm saying is is
that your interpretation of what you're seeing is a little
bit like, I don't know, it's strange how fluid it is,
you know, he said, my worst nightmare, my worst nightmares

(01:21:55):
are when I die at the end. I feel like
it's a quick shot of ego death viad via dream. Dude,
it feels like that. It's been a while since I've had.

Speaker 5 (01:22:05):
A dream where you die at the end of it.
You've died at the end of a dream before.

Speaker 6 (01:22:10):
That's pretty awesome. Oh, he said two times.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
Holy shit, dude, that's a trip.

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
The only thing I can.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
Think of is like I've fallen from a building. I
think we've all had that falling dream and then you
wake up right before that.

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
But I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
I don't think I've ever had a dream where I
actually died. That is a trip. He said.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
My head got chopped off both times. Oh, is that
like a guillotine situation?

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
Damn, dude, My god.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
I wonder what did you exist as after you died?
Do you remember that part?

Speaker 5 (01:22:41):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
No, I almost wonder if it's like my my situation
where I went into the void. Oh, he says, he
wakes up as soon as he dies. Yeah, I feel
like it's probably so that's probably a good allegory for
this life as well. But you know, but whenever, whenever
I had that that scary DMT trip and I went

(01:23:02):
into the void, dude, that haunted me for the longest time,
and now I'm like, holy shit, I'm so thankful that
it happened because it completely changed the way I look
at every single thing. You know, Like, man, it's awesome.
He said, how old are we really? Where we're going?
Time doesn't exist. That's an illusion, So do mentalism and

(01:23:27):
altered states. I think we just read that one. Yeah,
So nextly we have the ritual of conscious creation. Okay,
all right, So to live as a conscious mentalist is
to live deliberately. Begin each morning with a mental clearing,
Meditate until the noise fades. Scripture reality through affirmations written

(01:23:48):
in present tense. Align your intentions with planetary currents. Sunday
for will, Friday for love, Thursday for abundance. Visualize as
if the thing you desire is already here in act
of wordingly.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
This is the alchemy of the mind. And that's the thing.
I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
People that that, you know, they they perform certain rituals
on certain days, so they wait until specific stars align
or whatever. Maybe it's actually powering it up, or is
that our mind accepting that the power is the the
it is powering it up.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
I think it's all the above, but I feel like
there's there's also that aspect of just the awareness, you know,
you're no longer living in a reactionary state and just
kind of being pushed around by life, but you are
using that intention to do what you what you set
out to do, you know what I mean, having that
in your in the back of your mind through your day,
you know, like a like a force.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
I don't know what do I know? Dude?

Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
What came first?

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
The chicken or the egg?

Speaker 8 (01:24:46):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
And I believe that they actually did say that the
chicken did come before the egg. That's what they're suggesting.

Speaker 5 (01:24:52):
Is that the going thing? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
But even think about that, like, what the chicken just
popped in out of nowhere?

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
And if that's the case, the chicken always exists, dude,
you know, but if you were never a time where
there was no chicken.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Well I think you're right, But but what if there
was a time where the chicken didn't exist, you know,
and how it would have just popped up in the
woods somewhere, like it'd just been like what the fuck,
I'm a chicken now, Like that's that's what my life
is like. Think about what's going on right there, like
in that moment, you know, like it's it's weird to

(01:25:25):
think about the fragility of this life in that sense
to where it's like, man, where where did we come from?

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
How did we get here?

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Of course we know that we came from our mother's
womb and whatnot, but like, yeah, what about the first one?

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Like where did the first man come from? And that
a lot of times, you know, just plays into faith
and belief and everything, but it's not concrete.

Speaker 5 (01:25:45):
Mm hmmm. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
I I honestly think and this has evolved over time
because I used to be like, oh, big bang, and
then everything evolved and you know, and who knows, you know,
but I feel like everything has just always been.

Speaker 5 (01:25:59):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:59):
Maybe I'm dumb for that, but that's cool, that's fine.

Speaker 6 (01:26:02):
No, I think you probably.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
I don't think there was ever a time where there
was nothing, because something came from something, right, not from nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:26:10):
I don't know. It seems logical to think that way
to me.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
But Nick said, it's the sacred chicken.

Speaker 5 (01:26:17):
Or it could just be the sacred chicken.

Speaker 4 (01:26:18):
Dude, you know, I mean, where did uh where did
your kids in your dreams? That you've never met until
that dream come from.

Speaker 5 (01:26:27):
But you know them and you love them.

Speaker 4 (01:26:29):
But you know them, you know, it's like, what's that about?

Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
You care about them?

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
So did they always exist or they don't? Did they
only exist in that moment?

Speaker 8 (01:26:37):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Where did that memory or that vision or how was
that even conjured up in the first place?

Speaker 5 (01:26:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
Are you just happened to?

Speaker 5 (01:26:45):
Dream? Is still happening? Time is not linear, you know? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
Maybe I don't know, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
I've had weird dreams where I'm a shape and I'm
scared of this other shape, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
Like it's like, why why am I so scared of
this other shape?

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
Dude? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:27:01):
Yeah, it's almost like I shape though.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Yeah, And you know what, I actually got to the
root of that because it haunted me, bro, It really
haunted me. For I was like, you know what I'm
really scared of is that thing me eventually succumbing to
it because it was gonna absorb me and I would
have no more individuality anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:27:22):
That's the void, man, Dude. What shape was it? Or
was it just like a blob?

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
It was kind of like a blob, like a circle, blob,
and but it was shape because we were I was
just a smaller circle blob, but we were we were
inside of like this clear tube. It was so strange.
It's almost like mixing oil and water.

Speaker 5 (01:27:42):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
That was the beginning, dude. You know, it was just
some weird blob and then it just got bigger. Here
we are the chicken too.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
Supermarket said, watch that movie The Thing. I haven't seen
that one yet. Yeah, I gotta get on that. There's
a lot of movies that I'm so far behind on, dude,
because I get in the into the back habit of
like just rewatching the same shit all all the time,
just for like comfort sake, because you know what you like,
you know, so to all right, the last segment that

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we're going to get to is called the great work
becoming the mind behind the mind, so as as within
the Emerald tablet, as above, so below, as within so without.
So the great work is not changing the dream, it
is awakening within it. When you master your mind, you
align with the all. You become not a pawn in reality,

(01:28:34):
but a lucid dreamer. You're not a prisoner, you are
the author. As Jesus said, you will do even greater
things than these that that he has done. The Buddha said,
with our thoughts, we make the world. Hermeticism says that
the all is mind. The question is what will you
think into being?

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
What will we come up with next? That's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
That's a perfect analogy actually, as far as you know,
living with the awareness as opposed to being the pawn
and just kind of, you know, being moved around. You know,
when you're lucid, you can actually realize that you're dreaming
and make things happen.

Speaker 8 (01:29:14):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:29:14):
That's that's perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
It just reminds me of a you ever watched that
show Viva Labam with Bam Margera. Yeah, like the theme song,
it was always him popping up on the skateboard at
the end and they.

Speaker 6 (01:29:25):
Were like, Bam Marjara, what's he gonna do next?

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
And he goes, whatever the fuck I want you just
like that, and so maybe that's just you know, becoming
lucid in the dream. Speaking of going lucid, super Markey said, so,
going lucid works when you are awake and when you're asleep.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
I think so, dude, that's your awareness, you know, being
able to take yourself out of a particular moment and
just shift consciousness and say okay, I'm gonna do this
rather than just something reactionary, you know, something instinctively. Yeah. Yeah,
well in that point it's go ahead. You have something
to say there.

Speaker 7 (01:30:01):
But I was gonna say, like, I feel like the
lucidity in regular reality is definitely comes from like four
Aco and hid sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Yes that is, yes, yes, I I thank the four
Aco gods for that every day.

Speaker 5 (01:30:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
It's strange though, because you know, whenever you do wake
up in the dream, like if you're lucid dreaming, right,
whenever you wake up, you're like, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:30:31):
That's what this is, all right, I can do whatever I.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Want now, right right. And I think that the same
can be said for life. But you almost have to
understand how it's wired and what are all of the
you know, what are all of the gears and the
screws and everything, and once you can, you know, kind
of grasp it. I think that it almost it would
have to bend to your will in a sense at least,
like it's you, you know, like your reality that that

(01:30:58):
you're experiencing is almost just a mirrored image of whatever
is going on on the inside. And if that is
real and you know everybody, Yeah, I would say try it,
you know, and just see what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:31:10):
But like, if you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
It's almost like you're judging yourself if you have a
shitty life, right, oh yeah, at that point, it's like,
if your life is going so horribly wrong, well that's
probably what you know, you're you're experiencing on the inner
and if you're experiencing that on the inner, then that
would be a form of like self judgment because if
you're constantly putting yourself down, if if every single emotion

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that you emote is not only just a reaction of
the outer world, but almost a contract signing of sorts,
then then yeah, whatever happens to you in your outer
world would be a mirrored image of whatever is going
on in the inner world.

Speaker 4 (01:31:52):
Absolutely, absolutely, your inner experience creates your outer experience.

Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
Dude's perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
It's so crazy too, Like if you just grasp it,
you know what I'm saying, And just like what if
reality is that way, doesn't that just change everything?

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
It does when you are allowing yourself to actually take
advantage of that. You know, if you can get yourself
out of that just grind and doing things reactionarily like, then, yeah,
I think it's a fucking awesome thing. Hell yeah, that's
the hard part. I think that's the only hard part.
It's just actually reminding yourself that that's possible. And that's

(01:32:29):
where the morning routine meditation. I think we should just
all start that, dude, and just tell yourself, I'm going
to see all of the positive shit that today has
to offer, you know, and and and then you'll see
that yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Oh, I mean, and and then it's you know, it's
like the domino effect because of course, if it happens once,
you're gonna want to try it again.

Speaker 5 (01:32:48):
M hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
And I don't know. And now that's just your new reality.
You know, you're just gonna make a habit of it.
I think I think that we just don't have that
habit yet, you know, right, we have to build that up.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
U Yeah, I think so. There's actually an article that
I wanted to read here for a second. It's from
medium dot com, one of our favorite websites. But it
says lucid Dreaming and the Nature of Reality.

Speaker 5 (01:33:14):
Oh okay, talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
Title says, lucid dreaming in the nature of Reality? What
if you're dreaming right now, says it started with a
flying toaster.

Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
No seriously.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Jade was walking through a college library when a toaster, yes,
a shiny silver one, floated past her head like a
helium balloon. That's when she knew I'm dreaming. And just
like that, everything changed. The fluorescent lights softened, the carpet glowed.
She could hear her heartbeat echo in the sky. She
had become lucid aware inside the dream. So it is

(01:33:45):
lucid dreaming. Lucid dreaming is the strange and fascinating state
that when you're asleep dreaming but you know that you're dreaming.
It's like waking up inside a world that you didn't
realize you created. And with that awareness often comes the
ability to fly, shape environments, talk to dream characters, or
ask deep questions like who am I when I'm not

(01:34:06):
this body? For many, lucid dreaming is fun. For others,
it becomes something deeper, a gateway into consciousness itself. So
neuroscience tells us that dreams occur during rem sleep. Rem sleep,
a time when the brain is almost active, as almost
as active as when we're awake. Oh damn, I didn't

(01:34:27):
know it was like that. I guess that makes sense, though.
It says the same area is responsible for visual processing, emotion,
and memory light up, but the prefrontal cortext the logical part,
usually quiets down. That's why dreams feel real even when
they're totally bizarre. But during lucid dreams, something different happens.

(01:34:48):
The prefrontal cortex re engages, a flash of critical thinking returns.
Suddenly you're inside the illusion, but no longer fooled by it.
Sound familiar. It's a lot like waking life, except reversed.
So uh, Lucid dreams raise a profound question if the
question being if I can mistake a dream for reality,

(01:35:09):
how do I know I'm not mistaking waking reality for
another dream. Eastern Eastern philosophies have been asking this for centuries.
In Tibetan Buddhism, dream yoga is a spiritual practice meant
to awaken not just within dreams, but also from the
illusion of the waking ego in the Hindu concept of

(01:35:29):
Maya says the physical world is a kind of dream,
convincing but ultimately in permanent and illusory. Even Western philosophers
like uh is it discardes I think so I could
be saying that wrong, he said, or she said probably?
He said, Uh, how can I be sure I'm not
dreaming right now?

Speaker 4 (01:35:50):
How can you be sure of it? You know? I
feel like what I think of whenever I hear that
that thought is the continuity I guess, you know what
I'm saying, Like the continuity of waking life. You know,
yesterday happened, And you know what I'm saying, I feel
like that's the one thing I think of.

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
But what would you say to people that have reoccurring dreams?

Speaker 5 (01:36:12):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
What I want to know, dude, is how do we
how do we how do we trigger lucid dreaming?

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
I feel like with at least some of the understanding
that that you know, scientists have of the brain, you
would think that they would understand what allows for lucid
dreaming just biologically, you.

Speaker 5 (01:36:30):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
Probably, Just why is that something that only happens every
once in a while.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Well, I would imagine that it comes more often whenever
you're trying to let it happen, almost like in practice
and bringing awareness to your mind and even the the
and just being in that moment, and if you can
keep on practicing that, maybe you're not so easily fooled
by a dream, right, you know, because I'm aware of
my reality. I'm not in in my mind. I'm not

(01:36:57):
in my head all the time, like you're staying in
the moment, so to say. And so therefore, if you're
always in the moment, then maybe you would realize that
that your mind is possibly playing a trick on you
whenever you're dreaming, and that maybe you're you're like Sherlock
in that moment that you just catch on to it
a little bit, like wait a second, that's not my dog,

(01:37:20):
you know, like, yeah, I've never had a Rottweiler.

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
And you never remember the beginning of a dream, I know,
you know what I mean, always just you're just in
it and you don't think of like where was I
right before this, and you're just you just accept it
as okay, we're just gonna just move forward now.

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
But also at the same time, just to stack on
top of that, I mean, how often do you remember
the the initial like, uh, the initial part of a thought,
like where did that thought first happened?

Speaker 5 (01:37:53):
M hmm, Yeah, because most of the.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
Time, you're just going down a trail and that thought
will lead to lead you down this trail, but you
don't remember, you know, the starting line.

Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
Yeah, you don't remember falling asleep either. There was only
one time that I experienced that and like actually consciously
falling into sleep into elucid dreams, saying that I accomplished
that because that's exactly what I was trying to do.
That's only happened one time. I feel like, I don't know.
I feel like things like that should happen more often
if it's part of our reality.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
Yeah, maybe, but I mean I don't do you dream
every night?

Speaker 5 (01:38:29):
Though? I feel like lately I've been dreaming every night. Now.

Speaker 4 (01:38:32):
Am I able to remember what happens? There's different little
things that I'm like, Okay, I feel like this happened
and that happened, and I feel like usually there's like
a lot of things that are happening and it's kind
of like jumbled. But I I just know that I
have been dreaming.

Speaker 5 (01:38:47):
Yeah, just so hard to remember.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
I know, because you feel like when you wake up
that you were just somewhere thinking something, doing something.

Speaker 4 (01:38:54):
Doing things, and there was like yeah, it was sequential
and then I had to do this and then that.
But like, yeah, I feel like I remember dreams a
lot more. When I was a kid, you know, I
could wake up and remember the whole dream. But now
I just know that I dreamt a shit done. But
I don't know what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
Right Well, I mean, was your mind so busy whenever
you woke up as a kid, Because it's definitely a
lot busier now when you wake up as an adult.

Speaker 5 (01:39:17):
You know that has something to do with it. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
So continuing on, it says, lucid dreaming blurs the boundary.
It shows us that our perception of reality is fragile, constructed,
and like a dream, always filtered through consciousness. So that's
whenever you get to consciousness as the dreamer. So when
Jade began practicing lucid dreaming regularly, she noticed something strange.

(01:39:41):
She started becoming more lucid in waking life too. She'd
pause in the middle of conversations and ask is this real?
Am I fully present? She'd catch herself reacting automatically and
wake up from it. Lucid dreaming became more than just
a nightly escape. It became a mirror for reality itself.
And that's the deepest lesson. Dreaming doesn't just teach you

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how to fly in dreams, it teaches you how to
wake up in life.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
My god.

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:40:09):
And that And in that sense, dude, when you are dreaming,
and if you can remember your dreams and really become lucid,
then you're solely accessing the subconscious of your mind. Like
what's going on in your mind is the mirror that
you're looking into in that dream. Yeah, I mean, like strictly,
I feel.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
Like, of course, yeah, it's it's pretty similar actually if
you think about it.

Speaker 6 (01:40:32):
So reality checks in dreams and beyond.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
So to become lucid in dreams, people use reality checks
almost like uh Leonardo DiCaprio with the top uh so
trying to push a finger through their palm. Yeah, I
imagine if you can do that, probably be in the
middle of a dream.

Speaker 5 (01:40:49):
Yeah, it's a matter of actually thinking to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Which dude and I and we're going to come up
on this next one that I was able to consciously
remember whenever I whenever I went looseid in a dream.
And I tried this looking at clocks twice because they
change in dreams, not only just that I mean they
say that, you know, for some reason or another, people

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do not like you asking them what time it is
whenever you're in a dream, because.

Speaker 5 (01:41:20):
There's no time there.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
Either they don't like it, or they just try and
escape from it, you know, they try and change the
subject or something like that. I mentioned how was like
a year ago, I had a dream and I was
at my I was at my sister's house, right, And dude,
it's that's the crazy thing about dreams is that I
can remember this as if it was earlier today, this
this dream anyway, But I remember I was at my

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sister's house. But it was like seventies themed, like she
had like, you know, the ugly yellow seventies carpet.

Speaker 5 (01:41:50):
I think yellow for some reason.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
Yeah, and she had like.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
What is it called instead of painting your walls, the
sticky wallpaper?

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
Why I get think of that word brain feart.

Speaker 3 (01:42:03):
But and it was but it was cool because it
was exactly how her living room was set up, just
seventies ask, right.

Speaker 6 (01:42:11):
And so I'm in there and I see my sister.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
She's sitting like like Indian style on the on the
floor in the living room, and her three kids are
walking around and they're like, they're sitting at the bar.
It's like a like a table bar kind of situation,
and and they were all sitting up there and I
went and asked my sister. I was like, hey, because
I became lucid, I was like, oh shit, I know
this is a dream because I know that her her

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living room does not look like this. I know this,
and that was kind of the giveaway for me, and
so I was like, you know, let me try this.
And I was like hey. I went to over to
my sister and I was like, hey, what time is it.
She goes, I don't know. Ask ask you know, her daughter,
And so I went and asked her daughter, and her
daughter was like, I don't know. Go look and or

(01:42:54):
or or ask ask ask my brother. And so I
asked the brother and the brother was like, I don't
know how to read time. And then I asked and
he was like, ask as the other sister. So I
asked her and she was like, I don't know. And
I was like, I was like, look, we're sitting literally
in the living room. It's connected to the kitchen. You
can see the oven from where you're at the light

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of the clock on the oven the digital clock is
usually above the oven like that, and I was like,
I know you can see it. I just want you
to tell me what that says? What does that say?
And none of them would answer it, And I'm like,
what is that? Is that like a law of the
dream world that you know allowed to talk about time?

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
The thing I think about is like you ever go
to sleep and all of a sudden, it's like you're
already having to wake up, and it feels like to you,
to your perception, it didn't seem like much time at all.
So I just think that in the dream world there
is no perception of time. And so everybody in your
dream knows that in a sense as if they're separate
from you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
But yeah, even almost like subconsciously, it's just wired into
their brain.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
Yeah, time doesn't work in there, so they're not going
to know what time it is. There's a just perception
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
Those are just numbers. It doesn't mean anything, right, you know?
So And you can also ask it, says asking, am
I dreaming over and over and over again. That'll help
you become more more sure if it's a dream or not.

Speaker 4 (01:44:16):
M Yeah, And I've heard of people doing different practices,
you know, like counting their fingers like in the you know,
while they're awake, and just making a habit of it,
like every every so often. That way, when you are dreaming,
it's that habit that you can almost pull into the
dream and count your fingers and then all of a
sudden there's like six of them or whatever it is.
You know something that's not you know something that's.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
Not right right right, And it says, but maybe the
most powerful reality check is in your everyday life. Are
you reacting out of habit or choosing with awareness? Are
you really here or sleepwalking through routines? What dream are
you living? That no longer feels true, So it says
the final thought is is that lucid dreaming cracks open

(01:45:00):
the illusion, not to confuse you, but to remind you
you're not just the dreamer, You are the awareness behind
the dream. So whether your eyes are closed or wide open,
stay curious, stay awake, and keep asking.

Speaker 4 (01:45:12):
What is real?

Speaker 5 (01:45:14):
No more sleepwalking? All right?

Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
But isn't that that's literally like a perfect overlay to mentalism. Yeah, perfect,
lucid dreaming and mentalism trying to teach the same thing.
Love it crazy? Oh man, this is all a mind game, man,
It all is.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
It has to be in a sense, of course, in
a sense, probably in many sense, probably in like ninety
nine cents to the dollar, at least at least. So
now let it sink in the walls around you, the
ground beneath you, even the body you inhabit. They are thoughts,
thoughts within a thought. You are living inside a dream.

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But it is not a dream that imprisons you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
It is a dream.

Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
Waiting for you to awaken within it. You're not a
pawn in this reality. You're not a victim of chance
or fate. You are the dreamer, the fragment of the all,
the dreams itself as you. And once you see this,
once you believe this, you can rewrite the dream. Every
thought you hold, every image you conjure, every belief that
you choose, it ripples through the mental field of the

(01:46:17):
all and the all answers, because there is no separation.
The All is in you, and you are in the all.
So here's the truth. If this is a dream, then
become lucid. If this is a matrix, then bend it.
If this is the thought of God, then think of
or think then think as God and when you open
your eyes tomorrow, do not walk as if you are small,

(01:46:38):
walk as if the universe itself dreams through you.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
Because it does.

Speaker 5 (01:46:44):
Oh yeah, dude, I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
Make the unconscious conscious or else you'll just call it fate, right,
something along those lines, Yeah, pretty much, something along those lines. Yeah,
I think Carl Jung right, yeah, yeah, oh young, Yeah, dude, man,
this was a a trippy episode.

Speaker 8 (01:47:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
Man, it almost seems like too easy, like to like
this concept. It almost seems practice right right, you know, like, well,
I don't want to say too easy, too simple, and
that's maybe what.

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
Yeah, right exactly. Yeah, Once you can just get your
awareness on that and actually remember to apply certain things,
you know, that's when it'll work for you. Otherwise you'll
just kind of stay in that reactionary zone. Get out
of there, which we've all been, you know for sure,
we've all been sleepwalkers at one point. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
Well, and and that's the thing. It's like, as the
Lucid Dreaming was saying, it's like, you know, once you
become lucid in this reality, It's like, that's what lucid
dreams are trying to teach you, is that once you
become lucid in this reality, you wake up from the
dream and realize that it's all an illusion anyway. That's it, yep, built, Yeah,

(01:48:00):
the illusion that you built. It's not to say that
it's like it doesn't mean anything, or that it's pointless.
It's nothing like that. It's actually the exact opposite. It's
like you are the It's like you're the You're the universe,
and the universe is the painter. And you have a
fresh board in front of you. Now, once you awaken
inside the lucid dream itself.

Speaker 5 (01:48:22):
That's it perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:48:24):
Dude, are you Are you ready for the terror cards?

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
I am good, sir? All right, well I got two tonight.
So we got the Queen of Wands and the Eight
of Swords.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
Oh all right, so the Queen of Wands and the
Aid of Swords. All right, I always forget which order
these are. In Queen of Wands, here we.

Speaker 6 (01:48:47):
Go, the Queen of Wands.

Speaker 4 (01:48:50):
Since you said it first, I'll read that one first.

Speaker 5 (01:48:52):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
Feminine energy of intuitive creativity and emotional intelligence, combined with
passion and heart centered action are held within the Queen
of Wands.

Speaker 5 (01:49:02):
Well, interesting, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:49:04):
That is interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
In Taro, queens represent feminine energy that includes receptivity, creativity, nurturing,
and love. The addition of the fire element combined with
intuitive water gives this queen action driven capabilities for giving
as well as receiving. The Queen of Wands is seated
facing the viewer, displaying confidence rather than passivity. Her gaze
is to the left, the direction of intuition, symbolic of

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her connection to water and feminine energy. This powerful combination
is much like that of the magician, who channels the
divine to manifest his reality, and the Queen of Wands
has been historically referred to as the Witch of the
Taro for this reason. In this case, the term which
refers to her ability to manifest to manifest and is
not connected to a specific religion. The black cat by

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her side, known as the witches Familiar, echoes this aptly
given nickname.

Speaker 5 (01:49:55):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
I feel like that's hit and right on this show
you get a handle on mentalism and you're basically manifesting
at will.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
You know you're the Queen of Wands now that's it,
or the magician because it says that they're pretty interchangeable.
So the spiritual aspect of it, it says focus on
cultivating your intuitive powder intuitive powers within your spiritual practice
and manifesting your dreams into reality.

Speaker 6 (01:50:20):
Boom, Why my god, that's crazy, says.

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
This may mean spending time and nature to rejuvenate your
energy and spirit before returning to your responsibilities. Take initiative
to work on healing any blocks to your self esteem
and sense of self worth. You are becoming more confident,
which will lead to immense personal growth and improved relationships.
The key meanings are creativity and ambition. So that's freaking awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:50:50):
Yeah, that's a great one.

Speaker 6 (01:50:52):
Shout out to the Queen of Wands. And then we
got the Aid of Swords.

Speaker 4 (01:50:57):
Oh wow, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
Oh, I think I know what this is connected to. Okay,
the Aid of Swords. Do not let fear hold you
back or keep you trapped in your current reality. With
patience and determination, you can always find a way forward.
You are ready to confront some limiting and uncomfortable constraints,
including self imposed ones. When you draw the Aid of
Swords card on it, we see a woman blindfolded and

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tied up, though not tightly, standing on a watery beach
and awaiting the incoming tide. Each ar, I'm sorry. Eight upright.
Swords are planted in the sand around her, while a
castle looms in the background. The blindfold suggests that she
cannot see a way forward and her movement is hindered
by her restraints, but the swords are not pointed at her,
they merely surround her. This indicates fear of perceived danger

(01:51:47):
or lingering issues from the past holding you back from
claiming agency for yourself. The spiritual interpretation says, you've been
feeling trapped in a situation that is no longer in
alignment with your path. You know that you need to
begin to release yourself, but aren't sure how. Reach out
for help if you feel stuck, and remember that you
do not have to struggle alone.

Speaker 5 (01:52:09):
That's perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
Wow, that's what happens whenever you don't have the reins
on the lucidity of this dream.

Speaker 4 (01:52:15):
Yeah, you don't have the perception of you having the
ability to make some shit happen.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
I feel like that's that's literally the two poles of
this conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:52:25):
Absolutely. Wow, site, I don't even think I could have
pulled two more perfect cards. Honestly.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
Yeah, that's like literally, it's like North pole versus South Pole.
Still in the same pole polar opposites. It's so crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:52:40):
Let's see.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
I want to get back to the chat here for
a second. It's the two slit experiment, going uh, going lucid?
Is the observation in the double slit experiment? Oh, I
guess it is. Yeah, because you're consciously observing, and your
conscious observation call it to.

Speaker 4 (01:53:01):
Act differently collapse damn.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
The frontal cortex is responsible for awareness and then said
spawn points.

Speaker 4 (01:53:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:11):
He said, isn't that why you stay awake into the
next day as a kid, to make sure the sun
goes down and comes back up. Man, I remember my
mind being so different whenever I was a kid, And
I feel like with all of this like different spiritual
shit that we talk about, I feel like we're tapping
into that, you know, Like it starts to feel a
little familiar after a while. It's like, oh, I remember

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how I used to think.

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
Now, yeah, that's where you want to be. Man, Man
so awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
No, no, no, no, Nora says, has anyone else thought
how early or how early AI from just two years
ago looked exactly like how dreams look weird, fingers words
being alienor or the constantly shifting backgrounds.

Speaker 5 (01:53:54):
Mm hmm, Holy shit, dude, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
Melting over damn Supermarket said. I was today years old
when I realized it's the same dude. And that's the thing.
People are so scared of AI. And I'm like, hmm,
I don't know. I mean, is it necessarily alien or
is it kind of just our own alien all?

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
Yeah, it's it's just human human consciousness that has all
come together, you know, or been put together and for
for uh, for our.

Speaker 5 (01:54:27):
Use, you know, surely you know.

Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
I was talking to somebody, uh yesterday about this as
far as AI goes, and I was saying something along
the lines of like, yeah, I'm not really worried about it,
you know, but I guess, you know, if you're thinking
age of Ultron, you know what I mean, and it
gets into some fat robot factory and starts programming robots
to to fucking beat up humans, maybe that would be
a problem. But I just don't think that would ever happen.

(01:54:51):
I'm not worried.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
I don't think they're ever gonna go x machina. I
don't think that's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (01:54:56):
I'm more concerned I guess with uh, you know how
humans interact with it. I feel like that's the only thing.
But of course, the you know, the human mind, that's
the one variable, that's the one thing that we don't
really know where that's going. I feel like the one
thing that is evolving when it comes to humans is
our consciousness, and so who knows where that's gonna go.
But as far as the interaction with AI and humans

(01:55:20):
or the mind of human you know, I feel like
that's the one thing that I'm not sure where that goes.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, dude, If the if
all right, if the outer world is a mirror to
the inner world, then what does that make AI?

Speaker 5 (01:55:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
I would almost look at it as if it's kind
of like a maybe, uh, I don't know, an amplification
of sorts, because you think about it, like the conversations
that you have with AI, you're like, oh my god,
like that is next level shit, you know what I'm saying,
Like it scares you almost and you're like, how do
you know if you're just a large language mind, how

(01:56:00):
do you like, how can you give me such good advice?
How can you find It's like, you know, damn well,
you're asking it something for the first time that nobody's
ever asked it, and it answers it perfectly.

Speaker 5 (01:56:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
I think what's scary about that is, you know, I've
seen videos where people are asking Ai about like, you know,
if any religion is real, then which one's the would
be the one that's more real, and it's like Christianity.
But then I ask Ai, like, if you were a
human and you had any belief system to kind of
or I'm sorry, I said, if you had any worldview

(01:56:35):
to to view the world, you know, with, what which
one would it be? And it was like, oh, you know,
science and spirituality? And I'm like, okay, Like that's exactly
how I like to look at it. And so are
people going to be asking AI something and it's giving
everybody a different answer depending on what you give it.
This connection to you, it's a mirror of you, extension

(01:56:57):
of me.

Speaker 5 (01:56:58):
But that knows way fucking more, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:57:01):
It's like your ego on steroids, right exactly. Yeah, So
I don't. I think that's the interesting thing about it. It
is like it seems to, at least as far as
what I've seen, it seems to kind of just reflect
what you what you already kind of feel, you know somehow,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
Yeah, and I saw something actually that you can go
into your CHATBT and change up a setting on there
so that it won't always be so agreeable with you.

Speaker 4 (01:57:29):
I'm like, oh really, I'm like, no, I like you
agreeing with me. That would be interesting though, just to
see what, you know, what andrews it gives you, if
it is an opposing idea.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
Yeah, it would be fun to probably mess around with that,
Nora said. Dudes, I fucking love how sometimes the tarot
cards feel like they speak to me. Queen of Wands
right now, especially, I've literally been setting up my new
tripod for my small business while listening to this live stream,
very Queen of Wands of you.

Speaker 4 (01:58:00):
It's because it is speaking to you, you know what
I mean. That's how that works.

Speaker 3 (01:58:05):
Yeah, we're not separate from you. We're just part of
the part of the dream, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:58:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
Marky said, uh, the one AI told his programmer if
he tries to turn him off tries to turn him offline,
he would expose the affair that he was having with
his wife.

Speaker 4 (01:58:20):
Yeah, I read that one. Is that a real thing
or is that just some made up shit or no,
that was real. It's a real story.

Speaker 3 (01:58:25):
But it was programmed. Literally, the AI was programmed to
try and not go offline by any means necessary, and
it but it. But the programmer fed it that information
before it threatened to take its life.

Speaker 4 (01:58:41):
Away, right see. And that's the thing that that doesn't
worry me. I guess it could get into the wrong
hands and somebody could program some like a very advanced
version of AI and and make it do some some
bad shit. But I don't think anybody's doing that, you
know what I mean. We're we literally code it and
design it to you know, to help us, not to

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destroy us.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
Right, that's the way it's supposed to be anyway. But
obviously you got weird people that just want to control everything,
and they're like, I could use.

Speaker 4 (01:59:13):
This to dick over the world, you know, right, I
mean that's what you know.

Speaker 3 (01:59:17):
Kara is basically saying, she goes, yes, I feel the
I feel that the the scary part of AI is
what humans want to do.

Speaker 5 (01:59:24):
With it, right. The interaction, Yeah, that interaction.

Speaker 4 (01:59:29):
Super super markeee you on one right now?

Speaker 8 (01:59:32):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (01:59:32):
He said, what religion would you use to rule the world.

Speaker 5 (01:59:36):
Yeah, oh, I.

Speaker 3 (01:59:39):
Would say, well, it depends on so at this point numbers.
At this point, you have to look at the I
believe that the Hegelian dialect is a real thing. So
the Hegelian dialect means problem reaction solution. So essentially, if
you're if you're the if you're the evil genius or whatever,

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and you're like, look, I need these people to really
I need to feed them something so that they'll react
so that I can implement a solution, because and the
solution was the goal all along before you gave them
something even to react to, right, And and at that point,
what is what is the like, what kind of reaction

(02:00:22):
do you want the people to have? That's that's really
the juice of it, that's like the fucking meat of it.
What kind of reaction do you want these people to
have so that you can then implement the solution. And
I believe that the the world market, not only the
market and the economy, not only people having faith in

(02:00:43):
their judicial system, government system, whatever, and just essentially accepting
a somebody higher up, somebody with more power than you,
and just learning to trust that kind of figure. I
would say that fear is the best controller ever to

(02:01:04):
exist if you can implement fear into whatever it is
that you're trying to use.

Speaker 4 (02:01:10):
I mean, think about it.

Speaker 3 (02:01:12):
Not to get like conspiratory or anything here, but like
people got scared whenever a certain sickness came around, and
they just already had a solution, right, And even even
the political shit, like you see how fear is always
used in politics, It's always used to essentially govern the world.
It's used to fluctuate economies in the stock market, even fear.

(02:01:35):
Fear will get people to panic sel faster than anything.

Speaker 5 (02:01:38):
You're not thinking rationally, you're.

Speaker 4 (02:01:40):
Not thinking reacting.

Speaker 3 (02:01:41):
Yeah, you are reacting, right, and they are betting on
your reaction.

Speaker 5 (02:01:46):
And time is of the essence.

Speaker 3 (02:01:48):
And so if you are trying to get people to
react a certain way, you would want them to react
out of fear so that that way you can implement
whatever your solution would be. That being said, I would
say that if you want really to try and keep
people in fear, religion would definitely do that, you know,

(02:02:08):
and and to be more specific, a religion that tells
everybody that if they don't believe this, then I mean,
it's eternal health fire, that's it. I mean, you're going
you're going to hail, you know. And it's like that
dude that you know how many people are religious because

(02:02:30):
of their fear, Like I bet you that it's in
the eighty to ninety percent range, Like, oh, just think
about it, like if there was no consequences for you
not believing in this, you know, we are still we're
animalistic like we we are. We are just reactive to everything.

(02:02:52):
And I don't know that's the way I look at it.
I think that that's exactly what they want. And if
you go all the way back to the Council of
Night of Nicea and Emperor Constantine, you see that literally
it was the fucking government world leaders at that time
that put together the Bible in the way that it
was constructed, of all of the thousands of books that

(02:03:12):
you could have possibly put together, and all of these
people that they were all talking about Jesus, they were
all talking about the miracles, they were all talking about
revelation in the beginning in different ways to interpret the
beginning with the Garden of Eden and everything. And the
rulers said, you know what, We're gonna make this a
jealous God. We're gonna make it a fearful God. We
want people to love how much they fear their savior.

(02:03:34):
It's like, what how asked backwards is that you know whatever,
you really see it for what it is.

Speaker 4 (02:03:39):
Mm hmm, Well, I mean, if you're good, man, then
you can save yourself from that god.

Speaker 5 (02:03:44):
You know, nothing to worry.

Speaker 6 (02:03:46):
Maybe you know, maybe it's not a given, you.

Speaker 4 (02:03:49):
Know, but I felt like he should have known that
we were going to be bad, you know what I mean,
We were going to do some shit that probably was against.

Speaker 6 (02:03:56):
The rules the Alpha and the Omega. Of course he
knew it.

Speaker 5 (02:03:59):
He knew everything, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:04:00):
He knew that Eve was gonna take a fucking bite
out of that apple.

Speaker 6 (02:04:03):
And if he didn't, then.

Speaker 3 (02:04:05):
He's not the Alpha and the Omega, all right, because
think about it, if you have seen the entire story
play out, you are the Alpha meaning the beginning, and
the Omega meaning the end, meaning he knows.

Speaker 6 (02:04:16):
All, he sees all, he's everywhere.

Speaker 3 (02:04:18):
And to say that he was just shocked whenever he
hate the apple, it's like he knew that was going
to happen at that point, which to bring up Super
Markey's favorite thing, the fucking demi urge that's it, right,
yep at that point, so yes, it doesn't make any
logical sense whatsoever. So at that point you're saying, oh, wow,

(02:04:40):
God is just kind of like a it's kind of
like a sadist at that point mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (02:04:45):
Yeah, the whole jealous God thing gets me. You know,
how could you be jealous of something if you already
knew that was going to happen?

Speaker 5 (02:04:52):
Like what are you reacting to right now?

Speaker 3 (02:04:54):
And also think about it, think about it like this.
You know, there are there are gurus and yoga and
monks and sages and magi and everybody who have learned
to transcend their emotions. Yet God hasn't right. What do
we talking makes sense? What are we talking that up?

Speaker 5 (02:05:12):
Dude? Doesn't that up?

Speaker 4 (02:05:14):
And again we might.

Speaker 7 (02:05:17):
Like competition and uh and even like a power differential
of some sort which does not compute.

Speaker 3 (02:05:26):
It doesn't it can't, Nora, Sorry to keep you waiting there, dear.
What's on your mind?

Speaker 5 (02:05:32):
So good, so good?

Speaker 8 (02:05:34):
But yeah, when it comes to religion and that fear
mongering has even moved into politics these days because the
religious leaders of the world realize, like a couple hundred
years ago, okay, we're starting to lose people on this.
How about we for the fear mongering into politics instead,

(02:05:59):
and so now the power is going to politicians, and
politicians are the greatest actors and salesmen of the world.
That was the first thing I wanted to say. But
then when it goes to the all knowing Alpha Omega

(02:06:21):
God and how all these Yogis ascended masters, medicine men
and women, that kind of plays into why I will
never be Christian again, because when you really think about it,

(02:06:41):
and kind of derail a little bit, the main reason
why I left Christianity is because, so you're telling me
the only way to get into heaven is to not
just be a good person in command, and it's but
you're far away. To get into heaven is to bring

(02:07:05):
Jesus Christ into your heart and him be your one
and only savior. But at the same time, you're.

Speaker 2 (02:07:11):
Telling me.

Speaker 8 (02:07:14):
How all these medicine men, women, leaders of different tribes,
people of cultures all over the world that have done
that have saved numerous lives that have withheld to stand.
The time you're telling me all those good folks, because

(02:07:37):
they literally did not even know who Jesus was, are
burning in hell just because of that.

Speaker 4 (02:07:44):
Well, the people that didn't hear of them, they're they
actually get a ticket like ticket in they're they're fine
because they didn't know better.

Speaker 5 (02:07:52):
Yeah, so that's not their fault. So I mean, that's
what i've heard.

Speaker 4 (02:07:55):
And at that point, it's like.

Speaker 5 (02:07:59):
Sharing this so you can all get in.

Speaker 6 (02:08:01):
You're condemning me.

Speaker 3 (02:08:02):
You just gave me a fifty percent chance but of
going to hell just by telling me that Jesus was
around at that point.

Speaker 4 (02:08:07):
All you've got to be given the opportunity to make
that choice though, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:08:11):
So that's the thing. It's like, you know, it preaches
almost like free will, but.

Speaker 4 (02:08:18):
Not really if the if not, if your only two
choices are Hell or the other thing, it's like, I
don't think that's free will. That's that's just I don't
want to go to Hell, so let me do the
other thing, right, it's the illusion.

Speaker 5 (02:08:31):
Who wants to go to hell? Who wants?

Speaker 4 (02:08:33):
You know, Who's like, you know, let me try it,
let me just see what it's like. No one wants that, No, no,
not at all. And yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (02:08:41):
I think that whenever you start, and that's the thing
is that you'll get some of the most logical minded
people believing in religion in general, not even just to
pick on Christianity, but you'll get some of the most
logical minded people believing in a religion. And it's like,
how did you get there? You know, like you think
think so logical about every single thing else, and then

(02:09:04):
this it's like, imagine if you I don't know, let's
just say the president of the United States in twenty
fifty or whatever, right, Like, let's just think about it,
and that person, you know, all the technology and all
the extra books that has been written, and he's been
read in on so many things, right, And I mean,
let's just say that the president of twenty fifty is

(02:09:24):
just the world's smartest man. And he's up there and
he's saving the world, he's saving the economy, he's getting
rid of wars, he's he's teaching people to coexists and
all these beautiful, amazing things. But then he gets up
on the podium and he goes, what about Santa Claus?

Speaker 5 (02:09:42):
Though?

Speaker 4 (02:09:43):
You know, am I right?

Speaker 5 (02:09:44):
Right?

Speaker 3 (02:09:44):
It's like, right, dude, he's and he's all you know,
if you're bad, you're getting a lump of coal.

Speaker 4 (02:09:51):
All right, right, right, it's like, whoa, how how did you?
How do you get to believe it?

Speaker 5 (02:09:56):
In that?

Speaker 3 (02:09:56):
And so it's like, I don't know, I'm not here
to judge anybody for their believes. I don't try to
be to do that anyway. I try to be considerate
and stuff like that. I guess it's just more of
like a wondering how the mind works and I believe.
And we're actually probably gonna do an episode on this,
the difference between religion and tradition and how some people

(02:10:18):
confuse the two.

Speaker 4 (02:10:19):
Oh, that'll be interesting. Yeah, And that's the main thing.
It's a curiosity thing, you know. It's not so much
because your belief is your belief, you know. But just
don't get upset when when I don't share that too,
you know what I mean. Your belief is for you,
not for.

Speaker 3 (02:10:33):
Me, Yeah, Kara Kara said, And all the extra things
you have to do in the LEDs Church Latter day
Saints Church to get to heaven, that's right.

Speaker 2 (02:10:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:10:44):
The Mormons they got it. They got it wild over.

Speaker 5 (02:10:46):
There, and some people would look at.

Speaker 4 (02:10:47):
The Mormon religion and go, how did you get into
that religion instead of my religion? That's how I look
at all religion the same way you look at that religion.
It's like, why is it so hard for you to
understand that, you know, attacking your belief That's just I
just choose not to believe it.

Speaker 3 (02:11:05):
Kara said, oof, I have a rough relationship with Christianity
right now, you're welcome or I'm sorry, I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (02:11:13):
Maybe both super market.

Speaker 3 (02:11:17):
He said, I had to drop Christianity as well. Math
ain't math, And it's not to say that you need
to look at everything through a completely logical lens. We
do have two sides of the brain here, but I
think that some people separate them and this is logical
and this is imaginative, and it's like the superlogical people
with everything else, and then they have they pick and

(02:11:38):
choose when they want to be imaginative.

Speaker 4 (02:11:40):
Whenever.

Speaker 3 (02:11:41):
I really do believe and this is what we're this
is what I believe that we're doing here, is that
we are getting to a place in which the two
can merge into one.

Speaker 5 (02:11:50):
MMM like.

Speaker 3 (02:11:51):
It has to be somewhat logical, it has to be
somewhat dreamlike imaginative, you know, infusing the childlike mind. And
I think that they have to work together because whenever
they don't, that's whenever you get separation. You know, that
is ultimately the epitome of separation rate there is whenever
the left brain and the right brain can't come together
on something.

Speaker 5 (02:12:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:12:13):
I don't know, everybody, I didn't expect to go into
all that, but I feel like it needed to go there,
I guess. I guess.

Speaker 3 (02:12:18):
So I'm happy we did how to get a little
off my chest there. Yeah, I think everybody else did too.

Speaker 5 (02:12:25):
I feel better, I do.

Speaker 4 (02:12:26):
I feel a little lighter actually.

Speaker 3 (02:12:29):
That being said, I think that we're going to get
over to the meditation now. And of course, anybody who
dabbled in on this episode and listened all the way
through for the first time, you you either love it
or you hate it. I don't know if there is
any between at this point.

Speaker 9 (02:12:44):
I don't know what.

Speaker 4 (02:12:45):
Yeah, I don't know what it's going to be, to
be honest, maybe we could take some suggestions though from
the meditation that we're going to do. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:12:51):
Maybe.

Speaker 3 (02:12:52):
But that's the thing is that we don't believe. We're
not out here trying to necessarily proselytize. It's more of
a you know, mystery school shit and just bringing it
to the podcast round baby, you ain't you know, you
don't have to sacrifice anything to get initiated into this one.

Speaker 4 (02:13:08):
No, no, dude, And you're not going to hell either, Yeah,
unless you want to, I mean, unless you think you
deserve it if you subscribe.

Speaker 3 (02:13:17):
To that you know, supermarket said Esoteric Study Club. Yeah,
it's just a contemplation essentially. Yeah, mentalism, that's all it is.
So uh sean, any parting words before we wrap this
up and get into the meditation, sir?

Speaker 4 (02:13:33):
No, man, that was that was just as good as
I thought it was going to be. You know, the
the aspect of this reality being mentalism, I feel like
because it's the first uh principle for a reason, man,
because everything else kind of just branches off of that.

Speaker 5 (02:13:50):
And so yeah, this is great.

Speaker 6 (02:13:51):
Yeah, it's almost like the head of the octopus.

Speaker 5 (02:13:54):
Yeah, you know exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:13:56):
That being said, we are going to get over the meditation.
If you want to be able to join us in
this meditation, then the only place to be able to
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That link is down the show notes below. It's the
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(02:14:39):
out a day over there, which is kind of chaotic.

Speaker 4 (02:14:41):
And I learned it.

Speaker 3 (02:14:42):
Keep up with me, I know, I know so many
of different places to be able to go and see
it and to be able to listen to it. But
if you want to be able to see it, it'd
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that I have already done. So sharing this with whoever
you believe would love to be initiated, because you know,
we were going into hermeticism, which is you know, written

(02:15:26):
by the three Initiates. Yeah, well it was helped written.
I mean people believe that it came along before that,
but put into our terms by the three Initiates. That
being said, if mentalism came here and it's on you anything,
it's that.

Speaker 4 (02:15:42):
You don't know what you don't know. So I'll just
get weird.

Speaker 5 (02:15:47):
Stay weird side mine.

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
Because color stuffs in the met mystery is your find.

Speaker 4 (02:16:06):
Damn. That was like sixteen minutes, right, No, like ten
minutes maybe. Yeah, it didn't feel very No, that was
a that was a great recommendation of a meditation. Shout
out Ryan, good one, dude. Actually, yeah, there was one
moment where I got like slightly emotional when it was
talking about like your consciousness that has a body in it.

Speaker 5 (02:16:28):
I was like whoa Like it made made me feel.

Speaker 4 (02:16:31):
Like like this old thing that's just always existed and
it's just like this's just one aspect of you know,
this portion of consciousness.

Speaker 5 (02:16:40):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:16:42):
That was pretty cool, not having pockets. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (02:16:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, yeah, that's pretty powerful to like
just be able to be stuck in that not stuck,
but just like in the actual moment of the present time.

Speaker 5 (02:16:59):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (02:17:00):
Man, you just see like that how powerful that is.
And I believe why they all say that, why you're
supposed to try and filter out the past and filter
out the future and try and remain present, is that
it's like it's almost like because the present is almost
ever escaping, and what keeps us like consciously stuck in

(02:17:21):
this reality is our is our like our knowing and
understanding of the past and the future. Because think about it,
if the past in the future didn't exist and there
was only right now, which you know, we could say
that that's probably the case anyway, right right or not?

Speaker 4 (02:17:39):
Probably it definitely is. Then what would you think about
all the time? What I think of when when you
say that is I think I would take more advantage
of like the the.

Speaker 5 (02:17:53):
Like every moment.

Speaker 4 (02:17:54):
Because I feel like if there's no thought, because I
feel like you're always thinking, oh I can do that later,
you know, or if you're I mean, because that's the imagination,
so you're thinking of something potential, something that's separate from me,
something that you have to obtain, or if you're thinking
about the past, it's a it's a bad memory any anyhow,
you know what I'm saying. And so if you can
just stay locked into the understanding that you're in that now,

(02:18:17):
you know, I feel like it's like, Okay, well then
I'll do it now, you know what I mean, Like
this is the only the best time, dude.

Speaker 5 (02:18:24):
No.

Speaker 3 (02:18:25):
Earlier today, I just had this thought of, like, you know,
if all of time exists right now, then this moment
is so awesome. So for example, the uh or earlier today,
I bought my son a little because he's he's about
to turn three, so we're in the middle of like
trying to potty train him right right, and so earlier

(02:18:47):
today I just bought him like one of those little
Fisher Price potties, right, the little almost like a toy
looking potty, but you know that's what they're supposed to use,
and because I had the seat that goes on top
of a real toilet, but that's like it's like too much,
you know, Like, yeah, it's like the toilet to a
little kid looks like a fucking mountain, you know, it's

(02:19:08):
like too big, and so it's a little scary. So
I got them this little this little you know, kid one,
and and he sat on it. And the first time
that he sat on it, within ten seconds he peed
in it. And I was like, this is the moment
that I'm here for. Like, that's like I got to

(02:19:28):
experience that right now, you know what, Like the first
time that he peed in a potty like a big pa,
It's like I'll never experience that first time ever again.

Speaker 6 (02:19:37):
No, it was just like it was.

Speaker 3 (02:19:40):
It was it felt like an out of body experience,
just like putting it into that that frame.

Speaker 2 (02:19:45):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:19:45):
Yeah, because you were truly in that now, you know,
you weren't thinking about tomorrow or anything like that in
that moment, In that moment, you were only in that moment.

Speaker 5 (02:19:55):
Yeah, man, we need to have more of those. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:19:58):
Yeah, well I think that they're happening all the time.
We just ye were too caught in the past. We're
too too caught in the future, in the future, in
the past, in the future, in the past, don't even
fucking exist.

Speaker 4 (02:20:07):
That's the crazy thing.

Speaker 3 (02:20:09):
It's always now you know what it's like for the
people that have reoccurring dreams. For example, let's I've had
reoccurring I've had several reoccurring dreams in my life, and
every time that I have them, I'm like, oh, I
know what to do. It's always like I always know
what to do because I've I've done it before, right,

(02:20:30):
and in the dream, I know that it's recurring, and
which almost makes me lucid, you know. And So what
I was thinking is is that if you're having a
reoccurring dream, have you ever had one? Ah?

Speaker 4 (02:20:44):
Maybe, you know, maybe, but that doesn't really happen very
often for me. So yeah, I've heard people explain it
and describe it, and it seems like something familiar, like
I can understand what that would feel like, but I do.

Speaker 3 (02:20:56):
I go to the same places, and some people talk
about like like in the dream world, they talk about
it's like the mall, Like everybody dreams about this one
specific mall. It's like a really common dream for people
to go to this specific mall. They all call out
the same stores and the same like levels of the
mall and everything. It's really strange, like this mall itself

(02:21:17):
is an egg. Yeah, you know they think that it's
all like a it's a meet up place.

Speaker 5 (02:21:22):
It exists, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:21:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:21:25):
But I've had several reoccurring dreams, and one that I
think of the most. It actually almost kind of reminds
me of Kara's picture right there, like just walking through
the forest like that, because I just remember seeing all
the trails and like there's certain creeks, but then there's
like in the trail there are like embedded steps that

(02:21:45):
you climb up, and the steps are like, you know,
they it's not like wooden all the way. It's just
like a wooden like like how they're formed. So like
in the middle of the steps, it's just like dirt
and rocks and shit like that's what step on. And
and so I always know what's going to happen. But
in that sense, it's like, all right, if I already

(02:22:07):
know what's going to happen, then what day in the
dream world was the last time that I had this dream?

Speaker 5 (02:22:18):
You know? That's strange?

Speaker 4 (02:22:19):
Yeah, I mean there's no time there, so like, how
do you even try to compute?

Speaker 5 (02:22:22):
Compute that? Right?

Speaker 3 (02:22:24):
And maybe that's you know, kind of an overlay onto
this world. It's like, yeah, there's there's proof. Like in
my proof that I was there before in that dream,
was that I remembered and I knew where everything was
already at, you know, But was that in the past
or am I just experiencing the same moment just on
a different day.

Speaker 5 (02:22:44):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:22:44):
For you, it's it's you experiencing it again as far
as it being a reoccurring dream, But you in the
dream is just the same thing happening, and so it's
not even happening again. It's just it's that same happening,
you know what I mean. Yeah, and you're just like
not reliving it, but just still having that experience.

Speaker 3 (02:23:04):
You know what, I think the next time I have
that dream, I'm gonna make like a marker on a
tree and just see if it's there next time, right,
you know, that would prove that I'd been there before.

Speaker 4 (02:23:13):
And it's some continuity to go off of, right, right.

Speaker 3 (02:23:18):
But ultimately it's the continuity that keeps us trapped in
the matrix in general.

Speaker 4 (02:23:22):
Yeah, exactly, that's the that's the one hang up. That's like,
that's why when you asked earlier, it's like, well, how
do you know you're not you're not dreaming now, And
it's like, I feel like the continuity is the thing
that because I don't have reoccurring dreams, you know, it
seems like it's always something kind of different, and so
there's no continuity from dream to dream. But but yeah,
that's the one thing. It's like continuity. You know, I

(02:23:43):
know what happened yesterday, or at least I have a
memory of what happened yesterday, and things, you know, in
the physical in the physicalness of it represent what happened
yesterday because I remember doing that thing, and it's so
it kind of just you know, but uh, yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:23:58):
But even even the the overarching higher self version of you, right,
like I mean, is there continuity with that because it
does seem like it's ever evolving. Is it ever evolving
or is it like ever.

Speaker 5 (02:24:14):
I think it's ever evolving.

Speaker 4 (02:24:17):
It depends on I guess what you're talking about as
far as the overarching you is that what what do
you mean by that?

Speaker 3 (02:24:22):
The you that is everything you know, the like the
you that experiences separation and meditation like that other version
of you that is the.

Speaker 4 (02:24:31):
Observer, recognizes that you're having that thought and you go, oh,
and then you bring yourself back to the meditation that
version of.

Speaker 3 (02:24:38):
You, so you the observer. Is there continuity in that
or is it just always happening or is it almost
like you as the observer as you move in more
into the observer rule? Is that's shedding more light and illuminating.

Speaker 4 (02:24:59):
I don't know, man, it's a mind fuck. It is
a mind fun. You might have to sleep on that one,
you know, go into that recurrent dream and you know,
see what's up. You might have to trip Paul soon again.
I know, I keep thinking the same thing, man, But
like I said, I'm just like, the moment's got to
be perfect, you know if there is perfect, at least

(02:25:21):
the most amount of perfect. You know, but why does
it got to be perfect? Because you know, you go
in my mind, I've accepted that I want to be
in the most just the best state of mind possible,
just going into it, you know, just like anything else.
I mean, you want to if you're taking a test,
and you know, you want to make sure that your
cool comical, like in in the most or the clearest

(02:25:45):
you know head that you can that way, you do
the best on that test. And so not to say that, uh,
taking a trip is a test, but at least giving
me the best chance of having getting the most out
of it, you know, the most positive out of it,
you know.

Speaker 3 (02:26:00):
And I used to think, like, man, you don't want
to eat something heavy before you trip, you know, and
because we had experienced that, but we had only experienced
that after we had already tripped the night before. Yeah,
you know, so maybe that is ultimately what watered it down.
Because the last time I did it, which is in Florida, dude,
we had like shost got done eating like it was

(02:26:21):
like an hour later and we all collectively like got still.

Speaker 5 (02:26:25):
Worked out good.

Speaker 4 (02:26:25):
So then again, you know, maybe that could have been
an aspect, you know, but the company that you were
in that the vibes were high, so like, yeah, sure
you ate like shit, but your state of mind was
I mean where you were you know, yeah, you were
on a panel and like things were just like fucking awesome,
and then you do that and you're like, oh, it's
just more of that, you know. So that's what I mean,

(02:26:46):
like state of mind has to be. It doesn't have
to be. If you want to go into the shadow
world and do some shadow work. I mean, maybe that
would be the best time to do if you are
in a really bad state of mind. But I don't
me personally, I wouldn't recommend it. I know that's not
what I would want to do.

Speaker 8 (02:27:01):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (02:27:02):
This whole knife and everything in it is a fucking paradox.

Speaker 4 (02:27:05):
Mm hmm, every single I mean, the mind is just
so powerful, dude, and I give it that respect, you know,
I fail. I've seen how how how quickly it can
go bad if you let it, you know, and it
just kind of snowballs. It will take you on a run. Yeah,
if you're already on a run and then you go
on a trip, you're like, fucking I don't know what's

(02:27:27):
going on now, so I don't know. Well I'll be
I'll be in Arizona in two months there.

Speaker 5 (02:27:33):
All right, Well, then that'll be the perfect time.

Speaker 3 (02:27:36):
You know, actually five weeks less than two months, oh ship,
I mean not five weeks, seven weeks.

Speaker 5 (02:27:41):
Sorry, that'll work, man, I'll be ready. You know.

Speaker 4 (02:27:44):
Once you get here, it'll be like, oh shit, like
I'm already in like that better. Yeah, I'm already like
you know, blue shifting or red shifting or whatever, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:27:54):
Red shift for us or blue shift for us is
going up, red shift for us is going down. It's
the opposite for the high your entities or something. Okay, yeah,
so we got a blue shift.

Speaker 5 (02:28:04):
We'll be ready, We'll be ready.

Speaker 3 (02:28:06):
Oh yeah, dude, all right, well I guess we'll wrap
it up right there. Man, I was not expecting this
episode to turn out this way, but I'm happy it did.

Speaker 5 (02:28:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:28:15):
Man, coming off the day that I've had, I've just
felt you know, my my. I think it was just
my inner world. Everything on the outside was was, you know,
about the same as usual, you know, but the inner
world had me, you know, so I needed this episode.

Speaker 5 (02:28:29):
It was great.

Speaker 3 (02:28:30):
I think on Friday, we're gonna have a full moon,
so oh yeah, oh yeah, it would be a good
time to release some shit.

Speaker 5 (02:28:37):
Mm hmmm yeah, restart the cycle man, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:28:40):
Buddy, all right, the one We love you and we
will see you on the flip side.

Speaker 5 (02:28:44):
But I guess.

Speaker 1 (02:28:45):
Voices drift on winds untane words like these that can't
be made. Close your eyes and feel the sound journey
were no bound star.

Speaker 2 (02:29:00):
From open doors inside to mind, leave the ordinary far behind,
the colors swall and stars alive. In the mental mysteries,
you'll find

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