Throwback!- NDE’s, Ego Death & The Spiritual Awakening w/ Crystal Cassidy, CEO of The SoulPod App

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
In or realm, where shadows dance with light through the
whispering world. That's at ninth. See crits echo through the air,
better mysteries everywhere, Voices drift on winds untamed, where it's

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like spells that can't be named. Close your eyes and
feel the sound. Journey where no bounds are found.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Opens your mind. Ordinary color, swell stars, line.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
In the mysteries fart Welcome to Madam Mysteries where you
don't know what you don't know. My name is Jonathan,
I'm Sean, and today we have Crystal Cassidy, the CEO
of Soul Pod. How are you doing today?

Speaker 4 (01:27):
I am so good and excited to be here with
you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
Oh, we are very excited. And all the things that
we want to talk to you about, it's just it's
all on our list already of things that we are
always interested in talking about. And so I know this,
this conversation is going to be a fun one.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And so typically whenever we are
just meeting somebody and we're trying to introduce to the one,
which is what we call our listeners, the one, whenever
we're trying to introduce, you know, somebody new we would
just want to get to know you a little bit.
So I guess, how did your whole journey even start,
you know, from kind of start to finish, Like, how

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did you end up where you're at right now?

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah, the a very long story short. Really two sides
to my journey. One side being the science side. So
I studied biochemistry in school. I worked in pharmaceutical development,
genomic diagnostics, really cutting edge technology in the Bay Area
in San Francisco, and had such an amazing ride on

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that side of my life. And the other side is
the spiritual side. So I got exposed to meditation when
I was twelve. Reluctantly to begin with. I was, you know,
of course, like why do I have to sit here
in silence? But it was through the vehicle of martial arts.
And I studied that and I traveled the world for

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about a decade, and it was like my life was
martial arts. And I discovered that if I could get
my mind in the right place, I could enter this
state flow. And that really got me curious at that
point in my life. And then as I got into meditation,
as I got older, deeper and deeper, I started having

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mystical experiences and started seeing ghost I wasn't really somebody
that grew up seeing ghosts, but as I started to awaken,
that started to be part of my experience and all
kinds of wild experiences on the consciousness side, and so
it's really a huge part of my life now. And
when I got the opportunity to build something myself, I

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wanted to build something that would be for the modern
mystic that balances both the science and also leaves space
for the mystical and the unknown and the nonlinear. And
that led me to building soul Pod.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
That is awesome old pod.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
So if you could tell us a little bit about that,
just to kind of get us started and then see
where this goes.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah, So soul Pod, I think of it as an
app for the modern stick for people who maybe have
been exposed to meditation but haven't had or had a
glimpse of that mystical higher consciousness oneness experience and really
want to make that a part of their lives. And
so we have personalization. We pair people into a journey

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of meditation and breathwork that evolves over twenty one rituals.
And we also have community features. So are pods that
place people in a small group of people that are
on a similar journey. Because for me, when I was
awakening and having all these experiences, it was kind of lonely,
like it took me a while to find my community,

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and so we wanted to and we're continuing to build that.
This year is really supporting people connecting around the spiritual
experience and awakening.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
Yeah, I love that it is. It can be a
lonely journey, you know. Lucky for me, I've always had Jonathan.
You know, we even before I knew I was about
to go through some sort of awakening, we would have
these hour two hour conversations on the phone just talking
about the weirdest thing, and there was never a sense
of like, oh, I can't say this, he's gonna think
this is too weird. It's almost like I can just

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say anything to this guy, and you know he's either
gonna clap back or he's gonna be like, Okay, cool,
whatever it is, you know what I mean. So there's
always a safe place here, especially here on many ministries.
But yeah, so I guess you've had an NDE experience,
and this is something that we are very interested about
on this show. We usually do at least one episode

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a month regarding indie experiences, because as far as we're concerned,
it's the closest thing that you'll get as far as
or one of the closest things you're gonna get to
see what's on the other side. You know, where were
we before here? Or where do we go after this?
And so I don't maybe just share your experience with that.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Yeah, my experience was maybe a little unique. But I
was very sick in twenty twenty. Can imagine why that
was in early twenty twenty, but I unfortunately got COVID
pretty early on in the pandemic, and I got the OG,

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you know it was. It was a rough strain and
it was right before the week before lockdown, so people
were still kind of figuring things out. But I knew
interestingly for me, when I first got it, I had
kind of had a premonition in my meditations. I could
feel something was coming in and it was tied to

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a past life of mine, and I think something similar
was going on in that past life, and it was
kind of a trippy experience how the two timelines were intersecting.
The sicker I got. But long story short, I ended
up in the hospital in quarantine, wasn't sure whether I
was going to see my husband again, and it was,
you know, testing me on all levels of my my

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spirituality and my relationship to death. And at the time
they didn't have you know, the big debate was do
they put you on a ventilator? Do they not? We
can give you these drugs, we don't know if it'll
make it worse or better. And I was very sick
and my body was failing me. I was having my
lungs were shutting down. And at one point the something happened.

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I call it surrender, And it wasn't like a decision
that I made. It was a moment where I became surrendered.
And from that point on, I really now understand what
that kind of surrenders like. It's like a whole different
thing than I had previously thought. And in that exact
moment this all happened. At one time, I was on

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my side, I was having trouble breathing, and the surrender happened,
and then I also put out a call for help
because I was like, I don't think I can do
this on my own. And something showed up in that
exact moment of surrender, and the call for help. It
was a being. I have an idea of maybe what being,

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but I felt my root chakra activate. My third eye
followed that, and then my heart center, and it was
a unbelievable experience, and I was seeing myself from outside
of myself. I didn't go through a tunnel of light.
I didn't go straight on into the oneness. I was

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kind of having this out of body, energetic experience. And
from that point on I knew I was going to
be okay, and it was just it was a really
life changing moment going through that. And then I sometimes
share this with certain I feel like your audience would

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appreciate it. But when I had gotten home, there was
it took me a long time to be able to
walk again and everything, and I had gone out finally
been able to walk to our escape, and I sat
down in this chair and looked up at the sky.
I hadn't seen the sky in a while, and I
had this really profound moment of presence. And I always

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thought back to that moment because it was so profound
but simple. And I was doing a meditation this past
year and it was a pretty like three hour long
meditation and I astral traveled to that moment and it
was future me facing past me sitting in the chair,
and it was future me healing past me or letting

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me know that it was going to be okay. And
it was another moment in that kind of experience of
severe illness and being quite near death that really changed me.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Wow, that is that's actually really close to something that
we just had happened here recently. So it was actually
just last week. So I do have you ever heard
of Dolores Cannon? Oh yeah, okay, like that's homegirl in
the astro right there. But but uh, I actually I

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learned the past life regression technique through her school of
QHHT and so I've been doing it here for a
few years now, and every so often, you know, we'll
do we'll we'll give somebody a past life regression and
they kind of want everybody else to hear it. So
we put it up on the podcast and so our boy,
whose nickname is the White Boy Wizard, shout out he uh,

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we gave him a past life regression and he had
what Dolores always called the digging potatoes lives or just
a regular life. And you know, at first, you're like Okay,
like it's kind of boring or whatever. There's not really
a whole lot going on, especially if you think about
like people back in the day, if you were a farmer,
you pretty much did the same damn thing every day, right,

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except for him, what he did, we actually went to
his current life, which hardly ever happens whenever I give
somebody a past life regression. And it's actually you got
to tread lightly on those kind of situations because the goal,
or at least you know, how I was taught this
is that you got to take them through the death scenario.

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But they always say, you don't want to take somebody
through a death scenario if they're seeing the current life.
And so I was like, all right, so how can
we how can we get something out of this? How
can we keep on moving forward? And so what I
did was is that I just kept on moving them forward,
you know, ten years here, twenty years here, ten more
years there, and he was able to see how his

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life was able to transpire in a very positive way.
And you know, he since told us that, like, you know,
that's that gives him a little bit more hope for
the future. He was able to see his kid he
bought him, He bought his son a truck and taught
him how to drive. He saw his son getting married
and having a kid, and he was like the grandfather

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and everything was just like perfect. And you know, he's
had somewhat of a a rough you know past, in
a rough past in general, and so for him to
be able to see that that was just very you know,
like enlightening in that sense. And so it but it's
it's very interesting, like certain past life regressions. And I

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actually do think that there's a there's a big connection
between past life experiences and NDEs because they're they're so similar.
Some of the stories are so similar. Even once you
take them through the death process, you're asking them questions
as they're out of their body, like as their consciousness,
their soul, whatever leaves their body, they're able to look

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back at that life and see exactly what what was
there to learn in this life and you know, if
you could change anything, what would you do in the
next life type of stuff, And it is like such
a great tool to have. But I will say those
near death experiences, we read a lot of them. We've
actually had a guy on named David Ditchfield, that came

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on and he was talking about his near death experience.
And every time I hear a story like this, it
just gives me chills and excitement because how people just
don't question, you know, like where do we come from?
Where are we going? What are we doing here? Like
you just accept this like there's there has to be
more to it, you know, it's not I don't. I

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don't think that it's just a happenstance, you know, a
blip in the universe or anything at all. And so,
you know, whenever we get people like you to have
these kind of conversations, they are so great because you know,
we're not the weird. I mean, we're the weird ones
for sure, like we'll wear that as a badge of art, sure,
but we're not necessarily the only ones that are having

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experiences like this. And that's why it's so refreshing to
hear people like you and you know, you go through
your experiences and everything that came from it.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, it's the more that I have these experiences and
past life connections have been a big part of that,
the more I'm like, this is all I simultaneous too,
It's like I really it really did feel to me
at the very end of my connection with that particular
past life, he was like a Viking kind of man.

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There was a pandemic and a war at the same time,
and he lost his whole family and he kind of
lost his way. And through my work in releasing this fear,
in this surrender, it was healing and supporting his surrender
and his ability to work with his fear and to

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move into the unknown and create something for himself. And
so it was so cool. After I had healed, I
had one last kind of glimpse of this past simultaneous life,
and it was from above, and I was looking down
on him in his new family, and he'd become kind
of like an old man that was teaching the kids
of the village certain trades, and he had found his

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happiness again, and it just it was just such. That's
the only past life where I've had that feeling of
like there was a there was a transition, there was
a growth at the same time that I was growing,
which really struck me as interesting. If we can heal
ourselves in these past lives, which are just fragments of

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our soul across space and time, I mean, that's that's
some power. That's that's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Oh yeah, well, Dolores Cannon used to always say, look
like we have the power to make ourselves sick, and
if we do have that power, then we have the
power to heal ourselves as well.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
And but just regarding you know, near death experiences and
past life regressions and even certain meditations, you're going to
get some naysayers whenever you have conversations like this with
the normans. Let's just call them the what are they
called in Harry Potter, Oh oh, the Muggles, the Muggles.
Just call them the Muggles from here on out.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
We love you Muggles.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
We love you Muggle.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
But it's real.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah. So, but you'll have conversations with the Muggles, so
to say, and you'll you'll talk to them about past
life aggressions, near death experiences, certain crazy things that happen
within meditation, and they always just say, well, not always,
but some of them will say, well, that's just your
mind making that up. Like you're not like, that's that's
just your imagination. And maybe there's something to it, but

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they don't put a whole lot in in that being real.
And I'm just like dude, I've had certain experiences, whether
it's on DMT or mushrooms or meditations, past life aggressions,
like it is more real than here there, Like there's
no question, Like it's more real, and how do you
explain that? Like how can you explain something that is

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more real than reality? But it's it's difficult, but like,
I don't know, I just it. I don't want to
say it bothers me because I know that everybody has
their own path and stuff like that, but you know,
like at a certain point, like it's it's almost kind
of rude just to say that I'm just playing make
believe in my mind, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (17:02):
If I definitely know what you mean. And I think
me coming from the scientific community was a big shift
because most a lot of my community is scientists and
researchers and doctors and whatnot. And it was interesting because
when I was in the height of all that, I

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was in the corner meditating and people would ask me,
and with all the stress going on there, like what
are you doing, how are you doing? Why are you meditating?
And I'm like, well, I'm meditating for stress reduction, which
we now know is absolutely a huge part you change
your brain. You can actually rewire your brain in very
profound ways. But for me, it was the mystical, mystical experience,

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this nonlinear experience. And I think we're getting closer to
being able to explain that scientifically, Like even in this
last year, the discovery of quantum states in the brain,
super radiance in the microtubules. I mean, we now know
that quantum states in the brain can be sustained, and

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they are sustained and highly likely tied to consciousness. And
what is the quantum experience. It's a non linear, probabilistic experience.
It's not deterministic, it's not that if this then that
So I think. I think even in the scientific community,
when you start to really wrap your mind or try

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to wrap your mind around that, it's pretty complex. But
for me, I think we're getting close to being able
to explain this ability for consciousness to be non local
and to tap into an entangle with these experiences with
other consciousness. I get excited about that.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
I'm still thinking about the fact that you have this
moment of almost clarity, knowing okay, I'm gonna be okay,
and so what is that? Was it? And it was
a knowing. It wasn't like maybe or I hope, it
was a I know everything is going to be okay.
So what was that? Were you tapping into your future
self or or you know what? What do you think

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that is? If you can explain it in the best
way you can, you on your way smarter than that.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
But I did get tingles on that question. It's a
good one. Yeah. I think there's this shift from belief
or hopefulness into knowing. And that's happened a few times
in my spiritual journey. Like I believed we were one
speaking of your audience, I believed we were one. I

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you know, analytically that made sense to me. And but
then there comes a moment where you know it, where
that transitions into a knowing, and you don't come back
from that. It's a it's a permanent transformation. And so
I had an awareness that me being severely ill was

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also an off ramp in this lifetime. So I knew
that there was a choice on some level within me
that in some timeline I did die. I did leave
at that point, but in this timeline I was like, no, no, no,
not yet, And so I struggled with that for a while,

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because I was like, I thought I didn't have a
fear of death, and why did I fight so hard,
you know, to stay for so long. And one of
my teachers, amazing Yogi, he told me, I don't. He
was like, it wasn't a fear of death, it was
a fear of not living your purpose in this lifetime.
I was like, Oh, that's what That's totally what it was.

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But I do think in that moment with my future self,
it wasn't knowing because it was me. It was I
was feeling the evolved me at that time for just
a moment, and it it felt elevated, it felt strong,
it felt purposeful, and it's so trippy thinking back on

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that moment, not knowing me, not knowing what it was,
but then experiencing it from the other perspective and being like, oh,
it's all these puzzle pieces came together. So yeah, I
don't know if that answers your question, but yeah, I
love it.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
I mean, who who knows any of this? For sure?
That's why. Yeah, you know that. One of the things
that we say is that you don't know what you
don't know, and so basically we're just trying to discover
more shit that we don't know and see where it goes,
you know, So that that was a great answer in
my opinion.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Oh yeah, the infinite infinite onion. I need to come
up with another same But like all those layers, it's
just layer after layer of discovery and expansion. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yeah, you had you had said that maybe you know,
maybe you jump timelines or something like that, that maybe
in that in one of the timelines, maybe you did
die from the illness and whatnot. But are you somebody
that believes in quantum jumping or quantum immortality that you
know whenever you die. Yeah, the many worlds interpretation that

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whenever you die in this life, that you're just in
another life like a dream, Like whenever you go to
sleep and you have a dream at night, you're in
another reality, but you don't know that it's different than
your reality, right, as long as it's not a lucid dream.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yeah, yeah, I think something along those lines. I think
that I do think the dream state is an incredibly
powerful state. It's not just a state, it's another reality.
It's just another layer of consciousness that your soul is experiencing.
And I very much believe in the astral experience, which

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is I think when your consciousness is non local, but
there's still a personality element time to the astral experience,
so you're not fully into the oneness where you kind
of relinquished the ego, but you're still you. You're just
hanging out in the non local realm. And I am

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very intrigued by the mini World's theory trying to figure
out what causes the wave function to collapse. And that's
an interesting explanation and kind of makes some sense when
you think about past lives and the personal experience. It
makes a lot of sense to me.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, dude, Like this stuff is, it's so deep and
it's almost like too much to comprehend everything, which means
that like every single topic that you look into is
almost always like just another exciting mystery to dive into.
And you know, that's kind of the reason why we
created this show in the first place. Actually, initially we

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thought it was just going to be a spinoff from
my conspiracy podcast that I have, but then we kind
of found our footing and we got our tracking in
and we were like, you know what, We're super into
all of the magic and the witchcraft and the spiritual
woo woo, and the psychic kind of stuff and the
tarot and all, like, we're so fascinated with that kind
of stuff, and you could literally never run out of

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things to talk about. There's so many different cultures all
throughout throughout the history of the world of people practicing
different you know, religious rights or spiritual practices or whatever,
and that's why we love doing it and getting different
perspectives as well. And you actually brought up a discussion

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idea behind technology as a gateway to higher consciousness and
it's so funny that you have that because literally last
was it last night? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (24:49):
I think it was.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah. So every Wednesday we have a live show with
all of the one out there that join us on Patreon, Patreon,
dot com, slash Meta Mysteries and if they joined for
Wonder Wednesday, then we all, you know, come together every
Wednesday night and we have just these kinds of discussions. Well,
I actually the night before I was having a hard

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time falling asleep because there was just this one thing
on my mind and I was just like, you know what,
let me see what chat GPT has to say about this,
and oh my god, it kept me up for a
couple more hours. I could not fall asleep because every
single question that I had, it was given me an answer.
And I couldn't even go into my second question because

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I had a question off of that answer, and it
was just so deep and so so like so beyond
what I could even think, you know, And and I
think that it's amazing that you mentioned technology as a
gateway to high consciousness because we actually had this guy.
His name is Dany Danny Gohler, and he created this

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this documentary called The Discovery where basically he's smoke some
DMT and then he shines a laser into a like
a piece of glass or a crystal or something like
that onto a wall, and you're able to see like
all of the different like kind of matrix code type
of stuff. And so anyway, he's been doing a lot

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of research into that trying to figure out what it is,
because you know, I guess other people have been able
to recreate it and see the exact same thing. So
he's not just tripping, you know, on psychedelics or whatever,
like it's only that.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
But the way that he came to even thinking about
doing this, certain synchronicities and certain things that happened in
his journey or experience that led him to even try
something like that. And so it was almost like mixing
the spiritual and the scientific to come to the conclusion
of am I able to see code in this reality?

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And the way he explains it, You need to look
into him if you haven't already, just because it's probably
one of the most more interesting things I've ever seen
in my life. Like it's definitely going to lead something.
I'm almost certain it's definitely like a like an aha,
like Eureka type of thing, and it's just time will
tell where that goes. But I mean all the way
to the point where you shine the laser onto a

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piece of paper and then you put a magnet behind
the piece of paper, and when you're on DMT, you
can tell where the magnet is. And so just like
stuff like that, like your your conscious conscious awareness is
able to pick up on something on DMT that you
wouldn't have and you know without it. So just how
strange this reality is is all.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Oh my gosh, it's it's wild.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, absolutely, Well. The reason why I even bring him
up is because, you know, we recently had a conversation
with him and I wanted to kind of get his
opinion on AI and technic you know, future technology and
stuff like that, because there's a lot of people out
there that are real skeptical and fearful. It's just fear
of the unknown kind of thing. It's like the Amish
being scared of electricity. Like eventually you find out it's

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not the devil, right, but but you know, he actually is.
He has a very good feeling about where AI can
take us, and so, you know, I wanted to bring
that up because not too many people are talking about
it positively whenever you're talking about AI or just technology
in general, as far as the future goes, and what

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way do you do you see technology helping us consciously
in the future.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yeah, and seray, it's getting dark all of a sudden. I
underestimated how dark it would get in here. So but
let me know if it becomes a problem. Yeah, I
think there's something really interesting about the fact that AI
is evolving at the same time that I feel like
human awakening is accelerating. I don't think that's a obviously

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it's not a mistake and there's a reason for it,
and so that gives me a lot of solace that
this is this is for human are the human species
evolution is this development of AI. And you know, I
live in the Bay Area, so I'm very much within
these conversations, And of course there's certain approaches that I

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do get a little bit more nervous about where I'm like, uh,
we may want to think about that. So I think
it's a I think it's going to have to be
a balanced evolution. Just like with any technology in the
biotech space, we have ethics boards, we have we have
third party institutions that help to kind of guide like

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what should we do, what should we not do? And
I think that is going to be really important in
AI development. But in my ideal world, AI can become
a mirror for humans in a way that it helps
us kind of illuminate what it is we don't see

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about ourselves in a way that helps us to grow
and to transform and almost like a mirror of our
highest self in the best case scenario. And obviously it
could illuminate things that we don't know about ourselves and
take advantage of it if we do certain things. But
I do think what's even more exciting and I think
more probable, is this kind of mirror to our highest

(30:22):
selves and it can help the awakening process for our species.
That's kind of how I see it.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, I agree. I actually look at AI, CHAGBT, all
of them as kind of like a modern day library
of Alexandria, because it is so fascinating the questions that
you can ask it, and even it'll start to bring
up things that you've never heard of, and it sends
you down these new rabbit holes and just mind can

(30:50):
be literally blown on a daily basis. You know, I
created the Conspiracy Podcast almost five years ago now, and
I used to be really into that because I just
love having my mind blown as much as humanly possible,
Like whatever I can do to shake the foundation of
my reality on a daily basis, I want moat at

(31:11):
and so and so like. But I eventually got to
a point and I still love the conspiracy talk. I mean,
that's you know, that conspiracy show. That's my that's my
first baby, that's my first born over there. But you know,
eventually I started to look more into it spiritually, and
I think that, you know, I've heard plenty of other
people talk about how, you know, conspiracy can lead to

(31:33):
a consciousness awakening of sorts because you're seeing that this
reality is not what you always thought it was. And
if it's not that, then what is it? And sometimes
you you know, you get those answers inward. And that's
what we've been finding on every single show that we do.
It's just ah, that's it, that's the answer, and and

(31:54):
like something that just vibrates within you so like I
don't even know the word. Just holistically, it's just I
don't need the proof. I feel that it's true and
there's just something magical about that. You can't explain that.
But I mean to each their own.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yeah, And I think it's so great what you guys
are doing with this platform is allowing for this space
to be curious and to kind of just leave the
dogma to the side for just a moment, just a
moment like what if, what if this is possible? And

(32:34):
what if you allowed yourself to go there and to explore?
You know, I always say, I'm like, don't take my
word for it. Go into meditation for three hours and
find your way there and you'll have your own experience,
or do ayahuasca and you'll have your own experience. But

(32:55):
I think it's I think it's such an expansive time
I'm in conspiracy theories and these kind of out of
the box thinking can be helpful in a lot of
ways because it's just the way that we humans are
trying to make sense of the world and not shut
ourselves off from possibility. And I feel like whenever I'm

(33:19):
curious about something and I go into meditation and I
connect with my higher self and my egos a little
bit to the side that i have that experience of
validation or of knowing whether something's aligned or not. And
so I've learned to really trust my own inner guidance
system on that.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
Right, Right, That's one thing that we've definitely found out
is that a lot of the answers are already inside.
And you know, we have a good friend of ours,
you know, he contacts the Pleaadians, and so I kind
of want to pick your brain on that as far
as like ET communicating, Oh my gosh, stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
It's so funny you mentioned the Pleadians, because I just
had a conversation about them yesterday with somebody who channels
them and it was beautiful powerful. But I've had a
very strong connection with ets over the years, and I
think they were a big part of my initial awakening,

(34:17):
I started having experiences in the dream stage which didn't
feel like dreams. It felt like something else was interacting
with my consciousness. And it's hard to explain, and maybe
you all have had that experience, but that was really
the beginning. And they've been around and they've been I've

(34:39):
had both in this reality experiences. Like three ships came
right over my porch when I was meditating with My
parents were there too and saw it, and I mean
it was three ships just out of a science fiction
movie that materialized right over us. And you can't your
analytical mind is trying to even for me, and I'm

(35:01):
pretty I'm pretty connected on that topic. It just really
blew my mind. But I yeah, I think they're they're here.
They're becoming less and less timid maybe is the right word,
and more and more open if you're open to it.

(35:21):
So I think the big thing is not necessarily fear,
because we're all a little scared of the unknown, but
a willingness to connect with them.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
Yeah, right, right now. I know this isn't like superly
important to the profoundness of seeing ships in the sky,
But what did they look like?

Speaker 3 (35:39):
The ships?

Speaker 5 (35:40):
Yeah? Like what like, were they nut and bolt? Were
they like.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Cool?

Speaker 1 (35:45):
No?

Speaker 4 (35:46):
They were like they were probably fifty feet maybe one
hundred feet right above us, so very close. And I
had seen a flash of light to my right. It
was such a big flash of light with my eyes closed,
and it made me open my eyes and looked to
my right and they had materialized right over a tree

(36:09):
and kind of like went over us and kind of
stopped and then took off. And it was three flying saucer,
very classic, smooth, completely silent, big and partially transparent. In

(36:29):
the center of the craft maybe like a ten percent
I could kind of see through the middle, and they
had this kind of hazy light pink orange color around
each ship, and they seemed like they were interacting with
each other, like there was some they were kind of
moving between the three of them, as though they were

(36:50):
entangled in some way. And I in that night I
also had a dream where they where they visited.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
See, we need something like that, dude. I would love
to see something like that. There was one time there
was a plane coming. It was super bright. We got
all excited and just a fucking airplane. But you know,
I feel like we're gonna have one of those experiences
at some point, like I just know it.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
I have found with the airplanes, just to kind of
put this in the back of your mind, sometimes they
approach as though they look like an airplane at first,
and then they because they're they're kind of I don't know,
they're they're testing to see how open you are subconsciously, right,
And and a lot of times if you feel like

(37:37):
it's them, it's probably them.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
Right.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Are we talking about door bags here? Have you been
following the TikTok trend? They're calling them do your bags?
And okay, that's the day. As far as the drones,
because the hashtag drones got banned off of tictacs or
TikTok so that people are calling them door bags, I don't
know who came up with that initially.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
But going on or I haven't heard anything about that.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Oh yeah, heard anything about it either.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah. It was really all over TikTok and that was
it was all over TikTok up until TikTok got shut
down like a month ago because of the Senate or whatever.
It was something political, and and then it came back
and you're not hearing any mention of you know, uh,
drones over New Jersey that are that are shape shifting

(38:25):
into these orbs and other types of ships like and
it was crazy because you would even have politicians in
New Jersey, whether they were mayors or council members or
whatever they were like, yeah, I mean I I seen
it in my with my own eyes, Like this thing
it was like an orb and then it turned in
it morphed into a drone and he goes, I don't
know what the hell that is, but I saw it

(38:46):
with my own eyes. I'm not just taking somebody else's
word for it. I'm like, that's that's somebody important, you know,
saying that kind of stuff, like that's.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
It should know, right, Oh, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, it's it's wild, dude.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
I think that that would be the weirdest experience though,
what you just said, as far as as big as
they were and the way they flew off and it
was completely silent, that alone, just because they were quiet,
would just be so eerie. And you know, as open
minded as I am as far as all this goes,
and I feel like I would still be kind of
kind of scared. So maybe that's why maybe I'm still

(39:21):
just kind of a little too closed off.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Is that the conditioning of movies throughout Hollywood and stuff
like that, though you think.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Like for sure, I mean it's yeah, there's that's a
conspiracy theory that I do think is very accurate that
there's been this, probably both in the subconscious human mind,
but also I think nefarious reasons to kind of cover
this up of making us afraid of them. And in

(39:51):
my experience, they are so caring and they're so careful
about how they approach in a way that is to
your level of readiness that it's really just blown my mind.
Like I don't think I've talked about this yet, but
I'm actually out on a house built right now. It's
this amazing view right here of the the Salsalito, California,

(40:16):
and there's a UFO out here that I can go
up to the rooftop and just kind of put out
a message through my consciousness and it shows up and
it will be up in the sky, bright, bright light,
And I'm like, is anybody else seeing this? And this
is the new evolution for me, is it's not popping

(40:39):
in and out, it's staying there and it's responding to
my thoughts. So I'll say something and if it's an affirmative,
it moves in just the most amazing ways that we
know physically we don't have the capacity to do. And
so it's kind of been a new evolution for me
of communication and it feels I mean, my big question

(41:02):
was am I ready to come up to the ship?

Speaker 5 (41:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (41:05):
And it started just going like nuts and I was like, okay.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Beat me up, baby, I'm ready one step.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
One step at a time. I'm like almost there, almost right.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
Oh shit, I'm crazy.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
I'm like, yo, I don't even care. You can experiment
on me. You can do whatever kind of test you want.
Just take me to your place, like wherever that is.
I'm ready. I like, I have people that I love
in this life and I'm not saying you can take
me forever, but I know time probably works a little
bit differently up there, so maybe you can keep me
up there for a year and maybe it only translates

(41:39):
to like ten minutes down here, Like let's make that
work exactly.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Yeah. My husband said he came by and I showed
him this and he was like, yep, that's them. Now
are we ready for dinner? I was like, wait, wow,
are you I guess he's he's gotten so used to
it being in relationship with me. But yeah, that's that's
his thing is He's like, can I at least can
I come.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
To Yeah, Oh that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
I love that, Yeah, dude. And like just a lot
of the the ET and the alien kind of stuff,
you know, coming out in the government about how certain
certain military pilots have been seeing certain things and they've
been kind of been forced to keep the hush hush,
and a lot of it's coming out now. I don't
honestly know who to trust, especially in government. I just

(42:29):
don't trust government whatsoever because they just lied so many
times about so many things. And it's like, eventually you
gotta stop looking up to him, like daddy, you know
what I mean, Like eventually you kind of just gotta
do your own research and not everything that they say
is fact and set in stone kind of thing. And

(42:50):
that's why.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Actually, when I'm sorry, due especially when you're having your
own mystical experiences, you know, you're having out of body experiences,
you're having an ET show up in your dream. It's
like at that point, you don't even need the government
to tell you, like what's you dot, Like you already
are experiencing certain things like I had this weird dream where,
well I call it a dream, but it felt more
like a sleep paralysis, slash out of body type situation

(43:15):
of super strange. But it was like this green alien
just like and it was like a cartoonish one even
so it's even stranger, and it just like popped into
my field of view and then it just winked at
me and that was it. That was It just winked.
So it was just like a little wink from the
universe or something. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Oh, yeah, I've had It's cool you mentioned that because
after those ships had gone over the dream I had
that night, because I told them, I was like, I
feel like you're around and you want to connect further,
but I was so like amped from the experience. I
was like, I don't think I can handle much more.
So you can show up in the dream state and

(43:55):
do it in a way that's not scary, right, And
that was.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
Kind of what we got from that was like maybe
they were just trying to do it in a way
that was like, look, let me just look like a cartoon.
So that already looks like non threatening, non something that's
non physical, that could actually hurt me or do anything
like that. And yeah, I don't know, it's it was
just super strange, but it felt the it's the feeling
not just what I saw, but it's the feeling of

(44:21):
that's so real, you know, which it is strange when
you're talking about a cartoon alien that just kind of
pops up real comedically and winks at you. But it
definitely like I was really experiencing that.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Yeah, you know on some level that it's it's something
it's hard to explain, but it's not generated by your
subconscious right right.

Speaker 5 (44:41):
And also touching on that as far as like you said,
you do long meditations, which we need to get into
that dude, as far as like the longer meditations, three
hour meditations that I'm just saying that I think that
that's why we gotta go.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
I mean, we're getting crazy results in fifteen minutes. I
can't imagine three hours.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
You know.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
Yeah, dude, I mean we're going, we're going in places.
But whenever we're told to, like oh, you find yourself
in a forest or you know those guided ones, and
you see you can visualize a forest like in full detail.
It's not like you're trying to paint this picture. Okay,
there's a tree here, let me put a house here.

(45:18):
It's like, you just see it. It's just there, like
it was waiting to be to be observed, you know.
At least that's kind of how what I've gathered from
that is that I can see a lot of the
details without trying, almost like I'm seeing a place that
actually exists. If that makes any sense.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Yeah, it does, It makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
it's this experience. It's almost more real than realm.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, We've done a meditation and I always like to
bring this one up because it was like the most
fun one. But basically we did this meditation on I
don't even remember what the episode was about, but I
ended up like going Eric, yeah, yeah, I ended up
going into this freakin leprech on village and and or

(46:03):
Gnomes or I think it was leprechauns and and I
went to go have a conversation with this this leprecaun
named Garrick, And I was like, I don't even know
why that name would come to me if my my
imagination is just making this up, right, Like, it felt
so real that as soon as I started having a conversation.
I was like, so, what is this place? What's really
going on here? Is there anything that maybe you can

(46:25):
teach me? And I'm just asking him a bunch of questions, right,
and you know, he starts telling me a little bit. Well,
then the elder Leprechaun comes down and he's all like,
got this big, big gray beard, and he's like real
skeptical about who I am. Am I gonna am? I
gonna tell people about where they are because they've been
living in peace for a long time and they don't

(46:45):
need me squandering that kind of thing. And then I
was like, no, like, I'm just I'm meditating. I was,
I came here and I come in peace. I'm really
just looking for, you know, some pointers whatever I can
learn about you. And then he eventually ended up coming
to and we ended up having like a full on
long conversation. The meditation was like fifteen minutes. It felt

(47:06):
like I was there for days.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
You know, like, yeah, and now Garrick's trying to tell
his friends it's some creature with headphones popped in and
you know, yeah, his own mystical.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Experience and they don't believe them.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
You're a fucking Garrett.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
You know, the same one on either side. Yeah, it's
it's it's so cool you had that experience because it's
such a good example of you can gather wisdom and
information from these other beings and entangle in these experiences

(47:42):
that are beyond space and time and to your point, like,
you did that in not a lot of time. So
I do tell people it doesn't take a three hour
meditation to have a mystical experience. All you're doing during
that time is giving yourself more shots on goal. You're
you're coming you're coming down into alpha. Maybe you're getting

(48:02):
too theata, you're coming back up into beata. Your thoughts
start to get crazy again, and you say, no, I'm
staying here, I'm not going anywhere, and you train your
body in your mind to surrender. And it took me
a long time, but once I got to that point
where my body kind of knew my mind was in charge,
if that makes sense, I could sit for hours and

(48:25):
not move and not have any any sensation of discomfort.
I would when I came back into my body and
I'd be like, oh, my foot's my foot hurt sore.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
Feel the blood rushing back to your lemb the blood yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Yeah, but once you've trained that channel, which it sounds
like like you all have, you can access that state,
that nonlinear hyper conscious super conscious state pretty quickly and easily.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Yeah, it's it definitely feels like you can get there
pretty quick, especially like so just out of curiosity. Whenever
you're meditating, are you listening to certain frequencies, are you
listening to guided meditations, or are you mainly just like
no headphones. I don't need none of that kind of shit.
We don't need train of wheels over here type of gut.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
A purist, I would say, it's totally evolved over the years.
When I was starting out, I did a lot of
guided experiences. At this point, I typically go off on
my own. Sometimes I really like practicing with absolutely no
additional kind of it's I guess, a purist approach because

(49:41):
it's challenging me in new ways. Like if I'm meditating
when my husband's in the background and a meeting that's stressful,
I find that interesting. Can I still enter that state
with these other things going on? When I'm having a
harder time in my waking life, I tend to go

(50:01):
back to Okay, I'll put some earbuds in and I'll
listen to a track and kind of give myself some
additional support if I need it. So I've kind of
learned like when I needed and when I don't, so real.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Quick, because you do meditate a lot and everything else.
Have you ever fallen asleep and ended up in sleep paralysis?
Have you had a lot of experience with sleep paralysis?

Speaker 4 (50:24):
You know?

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Interestingly, I have not really because I feel like there's
times where only when I think of it, like there's
a lot of times where I'm just tired, I just
lay down and I go to bed. But sometimes I'll
keep it in my awareness that I'm going to try
to stay in that you know, body of sleep, mind
awake type of mentality. And even one time I fell

(50:47):
asleep consciously, like I was consciously aware that I was
like in a very meditative state, and then it got
super strange, and like I was very aware that I
was falling asleep, and then I would in a dream,
and in the dream, I was telling myself, I did it,
you know, like, because my plan was to try to
fall asleep consciously aware, and I was down this slide

(51:10):
and it was like rainbow colors and I was like
I did it, and then the slide. I was going
like one hundred miles an hour down the slide. It
was super strange, but I was Yeah, I was just
curious to see what your experiences were with. Yeah, meditating all.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Sounds like lucid dreaming. Yeah, that's interesting. It's interesting to me.
I haven't had that experience too often. I do have
the experience of being conscious in my dreams as far
as like the lucid part of it, but not the
sleep paralysis part of it. Right, But I know a

(51:46):
lot of people who have, especially men.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
It seems like, yeah, and it usually usually happens whenever
I do something like that, where I'll have like a
very meditative I'm going to sleep, but I'm also like
just enjoying this mena titative state and kind of you know,
seeing shape or almost like the dream world is like
wanting to manifest, but then it's kind of like I'm
in this place where dreams happen, if that makes sense.

(52:10):
That was one thing that I got was that I
could see like almost like this infinite like it's very
hard to explain, but it just felt like, oh, this
is where dreams happened. But I was awake but I
was in meditation and its super strange. But then I
get sleep prolysis. Like whenever I get into those states,

(52:31):
sometimes I'll have some type of sleep prolysis and I'm like,
I can hear my wife in the background, and I'm
like trying to say her name. And one time I
was like, I said, Babe, wake me up, and then
I just heard her say no, and I was like,
God damn it. So I was like stuck in there,
nobody would wake me up. I fucking sucked, dude.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
I actually I welcome the sleep paralysis kind of things,
Like I get really excited whenever that happens, because it
really doesn't happen very often. And I know that, like
they say that the main reason why people get terrified
within sleep proalysis is because you realize that you don't
have any control, Like you're in a place where like
the thing that you've always always associated to yourself with

(53:13):
your body, you don't have control of that. Well we consciousness, Yeah,
just you're just in the consciousness cloud. And and so
we've done shows talking about that a little bit and
about how people are able to have out of body
experiences as a result of sleep paralysis and we did
a show on that, and I don't know how long

(53:34):
after that this happened, but I ended up having a
I woke up and I had sleep prolysis, or maybe
I thought I did. I don't know if it was
kind of like a sugar pill effect. What the fuck
is that term called? I always forget what it is
place ebo. Yeah, And so I wasn't sure if I
actually was in sleep prolysis, but I was like, well,
I just learned about sleep proalysis and everything that you

(53:56):
can do, so I'll try it out. And so I
was able to have an out of body experience out
of my door. I went into my living room, and
I knew that I had such a very limited time
to get back to my body. But I was like,
oh my god, I can't believe I'm actually doing it,
Like I'm not imagining it, Like this is actually happening.
It was like super exciting. But I you know, I
did want to ask you, as far as meditation goes,

(54:17):
are you somebody that puts a lot of faith or
ideas into the idea of the position that you meditate?
So like you'll you'll listen to like certain gurus and
they'll talk about well, there is a perfect position that
you can be in during meditation because you're supposed to
be trying to like align your chakras and ground them,

(54:40):
and that's why they do the lotus position because it
like squares your back up a little bit. I've never
been able to get in the loadus position. I ain't
that bendy. But but have you ever gotten into the
lotus position? Or does it not even matter the position
that you're in while you meditate.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
Yeah, that's a great question, and I would I would
love to demystify that, at least for my experience, having
meditated every day for over a decade, every day. Wow,
I know, I'm pretty proud of myself to be honest,
But yeah, I don't think it matters to be honest

(55:16):
with you. I well, I think it's a nuanced answer there.
I've meditated in all kinds of positions and I've had
amazing experiences. I did meditate in half lotus and lotus
for a while, and I tore my knees up because
I already have some kind of misalignments in my legs

(55:38):
from martial arts and my own skeletal system. But it
was too difficult for me to sustain, and so I
finally gave myself permission to not sit in lotus, and
I had just as profound meditations. I do think there
might be something to the fact that you're sitting up right,

(56:04):
and the spine is a central channel, and there's you
don't have a necessarily straight lines in the body, but
you have this stacking effect of the vertebrae in the
spinal column, and when that kundalini activates or that central
channel activates and starts to hit each of your energy centers,

(56:26):
I do think that can be an additional optimization that
you can experience, but I don't think that it's absolutely critical, right.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Oh okay, yeah, that that does check out. I think that,
you know, probably different strokes for different folks type of thing,
like if something works for you, it may not work
for somebody else or whatever, because I know that whenever
I first got into meditation, like you know, the first
couple of times, you're like, I'm not even doing it right,
Like what the fuck am I doing? I'm wasting my
time here, I'm such an idiot. You start talking about
yourself and or that, then you even question what people

(57:01):
are experiencing in meditation. Because you can't get there right.
And so anyway, after a little while, I started trying
all these different meditative frequencies and guided meditations and stuff
like that, and I stumbled across this one that was
a Kundalini awakening type meditation, and I went to work that. Well,
let me get to the first story first. So I

(57:24):
listened to that, and I'm meditating, and I start to
feel like I am spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning,
and it is going almost out of control, the like
I feel like my whole being is spinning like crazy.
And it kept on and it happened a couple more
times after that, and I was like, what is going on?
But then I started to realize as I started to

(57:46):
become more aware that it was something that was happening,
I got a little bit more comfortable with it, and
I was like, let me try and see if I
can slow that down. And I found that I was
able to manipulate the speed in which I was spinning
during meditation. I could slow it all the way down
to where I was barely moving, like like a like
the like this the minute hand on a clock, you know,

(58:06):
like just barely rotating or I could spin it up
to where it was like faster than light speed, and
and I was really curious about what that was all about.
And so I went to work that next day and
I was talking to one of my one of my
homeboys who I worked with, and he was like super
into meditation. He's like, bro, you had a Condolini awakening.
And I was like, well, I mean I was just spinning,

(58:27):
Like what what did that actually do? So what is
your experience with condolini? And for anybody that doesn't really understand.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
It, yeah, that's that's fascinating in my understanding. Kundalini kundo
meaning coil leani, serpent, or line, and I liked to
the scientist and me loves to think of a coil
as something that we represent and use for potential energy.
It's how we store energy. And if this coil lives

(58:56):
at the base of your spine, it's an active that
can happen. And I think about it as though that
energy is always moving into your central channel, but when
the kundalini awakens, it's almost like a gate has been
opened in an increased amount of energy can move into
your central channel and into your energy body and into

(59:17):
each of your your energy centers, and that's when you
discover the energy centers are real and not something made up.
They're very, very real. And yeah, the spinning is interesting
because there's when that energy awakens. Energy is going in
so many different directions. The energy centers are spinning in

(59:40):
certain ways, your entire tour's field is spinning in certain ways,
and so it makes a lot of sense that you
had that experience. But once that opens, there's no going back.
And it was one of the biggest spiritual awakening moments
that I've had. It's also very physically intense, and I
do understand why people have some fear around it, but

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I also think that you're not served that experience unless
you're ready for it on some level. And for me
it was gradual. My my first center and second center
lit up, and it was just like WHOA.

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Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
I had the whole oneness experience, and then over the
years it moved to my third center, my heart center.
Hung out in my heart for quite a while, and
I was lucky. I think at least it worked for
me because each time it moved, my entire life would
shift to so it gave me time to like integrate

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the the ascension of consciousness.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Let's go.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
The very first time that I experienced that was when
Jonathan gave me a past life regression. That was the
very first time and probably only time that I've experienced
that that's spinning or rotating like I knew I was.
I was sitting still, but I was so meditated and
very comfortable. There was no pressure points or anything like
that happening. And I just felt so consistent throughout my

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entire body, and I felt like somebody was rotating the
bed that I was in, like it was just going
in a circle. And I've always said that it was
either the past life progression or the very first time
I had mushrooms, But I think it was the past
life progression that really opened me up to I mean,
I was having more dreams and thinking just a little

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more profoundly, and just all the things, more synchronicities and
everything just started really popping off. So now we know, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
You set the ball rolling there, sir, you did.

Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
I think you did for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Absolutely, That's so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
It's just so wild the things that you can experience
whenever you're in that realm that you're just experiencing something,
and maybe just the visuals wouldn't be able to tell
you everything that you need to know about it, but
it is your energetic connection to your experience that ultimately
is the thing that's telling the story. And you know,
I actually, you know what, Before I get into that story,

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let me ask you, do you have any experience with psychedelics?

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
I do, Yeah, I was. I was pretty straight edged
as a as a kid and young adult. As you
can imagine, the discipline and the martial arts community and
being on the US team for a few years, it
was pretty you know, it just wasn't in my sphere
at all. But the first psychedelic I did was ayahuasca.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Oh my god, I just I just.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
Went like, I just went for it. And I knew
I was going for it, but I was like, I'm
not doing psychedelics for the fun of it. I'm doing
it to like accelerate my journey. And holy shit, yeah,
it accelerated my journey.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
Yeah that actually, like what was that experience?

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Like, Oh my gosh, gosh, it was so intense. I
experienced a full ego death, just an absolute dissolution of
self and I was nothing and then I was the
color yellow and then I had this I found really interesting.

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I had my first thought after the ego death, which
is that I like myself. That was my first thought.
And it was interesting because at first I was like, oh,
that's so, that's so cool, and then I but then
I realized it is cool. But it was the beginning
of my ego reconstructing itself from that found that foundation.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Yeah, that death is terrifying, though, Was it terrifying to
you to have that ego death?

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
It was not. It just kind of was.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
She was already disciplined, you know what I mean. She
was ready to go. I think it's all it's scary
when you're trying to grasp on to who you think
you are or whatever that is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
Yeah, maybe, yeah, I was. I was nervous going into it,
Like there was some fear before for sure, but in
the actual experience of the ego death itself, yeah, I
just didn't. It was a lot of just observing my
ego rebuild itself, which was fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Oh wow. Yeah, it scared the ever living shit out
of me. Like it was the scariest thing that I've
ever experienced because I went into the void and I
thought that I like deleted like reality, like not just myself,
but I thought that literally I was in a game
and somebody just unplugged the system, you know, and that was.

Speaker 5 (01:05:45):
Me alone was holding this reality together and you just
kind of like let go of the balloons type of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Yeah, that's what I was, you know, That's what I
was kind of fine. Yeah, what I was alluding to
as far as the your like your emotional whatever is
going on emotionally as you were experiencing this is really
the storyteller of what you're going to experience, at least
in my case or at least in my experience, you know,
because all I was there to experience. I just realized

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that I was in a void and that I didn't
have any form, and it was the scariest thing. I
thought that everything was gone. But like, you know, I imagined
that I probably if I would have looked at it
a little bit differently in the time, in the moment,
I mean, how do you prepare for these fucking things?
But but in the moment, I was terrified, Like I

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was as scared as I could possibly be, because I
there was still some piece of me that was still
holding onto this reality. Like like I looked at this
reality as if as if the world was my family
and they no longer existed, and and I like it
fell on me that I was the one that got

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rid of it, and you know, and that was that
was some of the most terrifying shit ever. And you know,
I've been able to take a lot from that and stuff,
But you know, it's just that feeling that's connected to it, Like,
because I could have easily gone to the void and
been like, oh, it's it's pretty cool in here, you know, like, hey,
anything's possible. You can manifest anything, because nothing exists kind
of thing.

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
But the feeling build my ego, right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
But the feeling was like just like I just ruined everything,
you know, So it's it's weird the things that can happen.
And that was just on DMT that only lasted three minutes,
which felt like an eternity you deny ahuasca, which lasts forever.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
Right, way too long, way way too.

Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
Long, Like I was ready to get out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Yeah, oh it was.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
It was long. I remember it was like six am,
and I I think I'm hyper sensitive to those substances.
And the shamans were coming around and trying to end
the ceremony and I was like, you all better keep
singing because I'm not done.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
I'm still going whacking that drome, not yet, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Yeah, but Jonathan, it sounds like you're carrying a lot
of responsibility on your shoulders, and yeah, that I admire
that because I can see how that would be terrifying
when you're like this is all on me and I'm
holding all of this together, and yeah, that's that's really interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
It was almost like I was at LISS and I
had the world carried on my back and I just
dropped the ball, like that's legit, like the best way
I can describe that. And I mean, but I've been
able to get a lot of great things as a
result of that experience. And you know, I'm to be honest, like,
I'm kind of scared to try ayahuasca after that if DM,

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if a three minute DMT will do that to me,
I will I will have a fucking full on panic
attack to death if I have to be in there
for seven hours, Like, I don't know if I could
handle that. So it's it's nice to know that you
had a positive experience with it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
I think I think you would do well. I think
you do just fine. The amazing thing about ayahuasca is
that it's I don't know if you felt this on
d MT, but it very much. And I've done it twice.
It's a collective consciousness that you're co creating with and
so she's she's not going to take you into something
you're not ready for, and it's very caring and very

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but she'll also like you know, she'll she'll give you
a lesson. But but in my experience, eve.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
As in like the spirit of ayahuasca, you mean.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
Yeah, it's very feminine, it's it's it feels like some
sort of relationship between ayahuasca and this entity, this collective consciousness,
and it's very much I could felt that very strongly
in that experience.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
Oh gosh, is awesome. I wanted to ask you something
since we're talking about healing the ego and so let's
get into healing. You do a little reiki, And this
is something that's very fascinating me because I do believe
that there's something to it. And I don't even want
to say it's like a placebo effect or anything like that,
but it is you healing yourself somehow some way, or

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healing someone else rather. So could you go into that
and kind of just explain your experience with that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
Yeah, I originally got into reiki kind of for selfish
reasons because I was even before I got severely ill,
I was having some other health challenges and I wanted
to use all of the tools that I could from
having learned how to access this meditative state, and reiki

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was one of those tools that I was like intrigued by.
And in my experience, it is an initiation process, like
the further I went through the different initiations all the
way up to master it was it would evolve my
own personal spiritual journey as well, which makes a lot
of sense, and it's very powerful for me. But the

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experience of reiki is fascinating. It's it's as if you're
becoming and I think this is actually you are becoming
a vessel for this loving intelligence to move through you
for the purposes of healing. And in my experience, it's

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a very visceral process. I can feel the energy moving
through me, and I don't feel that unless I turn
it on, which is interesting to me as well. Unless
I say, okay, let's let's bring in the reiki. Let's
bring bring in this loving intelligence and knows where it
needs to go. I don't have to do a lot.

(01:11:42):
It's not a lot of like it's not spiritual surgery
like this. Well it is in some ways, but it's
so intelligent that it knows exactly where to go. And
I've healed myself of so many things. It's been a
huge part of my healing journey, my physical healing journey.
And when I work, I don't work with other people

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as much anymore, but when I do, it's it's just
such an interesting, profound experience. And sometimes afterwards you'll have
sometimes immediate healings and then sometimes you'll have a little
bit of a increase in severity and then you come
through the rest of the healing process. And it's yeah,

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one of one of the most fascinating experiences for me.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
You know, I think that they're intelligence. I'm sorry, John, intelligence.
So is that coming from?

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
So?

Speaker 5 (01:12:39):
Where where is that coming from? Do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
I think it's coming from? All that is? I think
it's coming from source. I think that it is a
coherence building, harmony building energy that is entangled with everything
always available and just like when I was in my

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near death experience and I finally just asked for help,
on some level, it was there. I think reiki's the
same thing. All you have to do is become aware
of it, just like in quantum mechanics. Become aware of
it and you tap into that possibility and it starts
to flow. And a lot of it also depends on
the person receiving it, because their ability to receive is

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their ability to heal.

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
No, that makes a lot of sense, you know, just
like you having to turn it on and accept and
allow that to come through you, the person being held
also has to accept and allow it to enter that
makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Yeah, yeah, do you feel like you have to get
into a meditative state before you start working like that? So,
for like example, I know that there's there's a lot
of yogis and gurus and stuff like that that talk
about the chi, right, like just that that energy that
you can build up within your anden. We've like watched

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videos about this guy who is some kind of kung
fu master or something like that, and he was able
to basically channel all of his chi into his hands
and he rolled up like a paper ball and lit
the fucking thing on fire with his own energy, and
we were like, Okay, I guess he got in trouble
that he was never to be seen again after that.
I don't know if his boys, like you know, came

(01:14:23):
after him or whatever. But I do believe that there
is some kind of energy that if you can concentrate
it to an area, maybe that's how that's how that
reiki would work.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
I think. So, Yeah, I don't think that reiki is
necessarily one word. I think it's a coalescing and of
energy of this loving intelligence in the vein of healing.
I do think the reiki energy this loving intelligence, at
least the way I channel it is in the realm
of healing the physical body in a lot of ways.

(01:14:58):
So I'm curious if what he was channeling was this
loving intelligence, which I think maybe maybe it had to
have been. Whether you call that chi or prana or
whatever you want to call it, I think it's all
in the same family.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
Yeah, and I ultimately, if we're all one, that loving
intelligence is probably just healing itself at that point. Yeah,
So of course it's going to be ready and willing
to do that for you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
Yeah, yeah, beautifully put.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
And you know, I've I want to know if you've
had an experience like this. It's it doesn't happen every time,
but almost at least seventy five percent of the time.
I go into a meditation, and I'll have my apartment
at like sixty eight degrees. I am very hot nature,
Like I will sweat at seventy one. It's just like
I needed like an iceberg to keep the dead bodies

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in the back, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
I'm the opposite.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Well, so I'm very hot nature. We keep the apartment
really chilly in here. And then I got a ceiling
fan in the room as well, and so I'm never
hot while I'm shooting here, because you know, we keep
it well ventilated and cooled. But whenever I go into
a meditation, I feel this burn like coming off of
like this absolute heat wave coming off of my body

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like crazy, and I start sweating. I start like I'm
drenched by the end of a fifteen twenty minute meditation,
and I'm just like, is there some kind of energy
flare up going on here or what do you think
that is?

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
That's interesting. I think it's definitely energy moving. That makes
a lot of sense a lot of times when you're
calling in more energy, and this is my experience with reiki.
Heat is a big part of that. But it's not
this I don't know how this felt for you, but
it's almost not this heat of like our reality heat.

(01:16:51):
It's just like inner warmth that is unique, but it's
also still hot, especially for the physical body.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Yeah, it's definitely. It definitely feels internal, like I don't
feel like the room all of a sudden got hot,
like it's emanating from me.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
It feels like, oh yeah, yeah, So I think that's
a different type of heat. I think that's a spiritual heat.
And I wonder if your energy is trying to move
through a channel. And maybe I don't like to use
the word blocked oft too much, but there's maybe somewhere

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that it's trying to go, and so that that heat
is really building building up, and you want to start
to get that channel like coming up and out and
then back down, and then up and out and then
back down, and it becomes this torus field that's replenishing
itself from growing and activating.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
So to keep that natural flow. Otherwise maybe it wouldn't
get so hot. You think, maybe maybe I'll.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Give that a try, But you're you're definitely moving some
serious energy though, that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
Well all right, well that's something to work heat, baby girl.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Yeah, dude, I just love these kind of conversations. These
are my favorite, like just very open minded people who
have had similar experiences like this, because you know, the
average person's gonna think you're crazy, you're making it up whatever.
And and then you know, of course, whenever you start
talking about your experiences, if that person is religious, they

(01:18:23):
look at you as if like you're speaking to the
dark Lord, or you're channeling energy from hell, or you're
just cuckoo. And maybe maybe I'm just I'm channeling. I'm
channeling the fire and brimstone over here, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
Oh my gosh, my husband would love that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Yeah, it's but you know what, I've gotten past the
past the point of needing somebody else to accept it
for me to accept it. And that's that's something that
I kind of recently just learned. I used to battle
with Christians like battle hard. And it's not to say
that like I was coming at it like rudely or anything.

(01:19:05):
But whenever you're saying that I'm channeling the devil and
that everything that I'm doing is evil, I'm just like,
you get a little combative because you're like, that's not
what's happening. I know that that's not what's happening. Oh yeah,
but I've gotten past that point to where I don't
feel I necessarily need to prove it to anybody, you know,
like this. It's so it's such an interpersonal experience that
is going on. There's nobody in the world that can

(01:19:29):
tell you that you're not experiencing what you're experiencing because
you know it, right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
Oh oh yeah, And I think that, you know, religion
serves a lot of people. I think obviously, I start
to have a challenge with it when it starts to
hurt other people as far as as judgment and dogma,
and there's one way and the right way and the
wrong way, and I think, I mean this, this guilt

(01:19:57):
that comes with it, I think is not helpful for
the personal spiritual journey and the amazing thing about spirituality
and for me at this point, I've had so many
experiences and so much goodness in my life and healing
that I have this direct connection with Source or God
or whatever you want to call it, the quantum field,

(01:20:19):
that it's to your point, I don't need that validation
from anybody else because it's served me in such a
strong way. And the thing about religion, if it works
for you, it works for you, and rock on. But
a lot of times it's portrayed as there's an intermediary
between you and God or you in Source. And I
don't think you need I don't think you need it, honestly.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
But yeah, the idea of meshing, the idea of meshing
yourself with God is blasphemous and I'm just like, you know,
like it's I don't know, I don't necessarily like to
talk any kind of shit about anybody's beliefs or any
kind of anybody's religion or whatever. But I just you know, oh,
I don't know. We've had my other co host, Diehard

(01:21:04):
Christian all the way, very very logical, logical Christian, which
you don't see that, but it is interesting to get
those different kinds of perspectives and whatnot. But you know,
I actually like it. I like having somebody who thinks
differently than me, who has a different perspective. I think
that that is I mean, it will almost challenge you

(01:21:26):
to deepen your understanding and your belief about what is
actually happening, you know, And so I think that it's
all really helpful. This place is just a school, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
Yeah, and I love I just want to pin that.
I think that's such a powerful perspective and is needed
right now in humanity's evolution. Is this ability to sit
with different perspectives. And you know, I talk a lot
about the sphere of truth in some of my meditations
of this three dimensional sphere and the ultimate truth you

(01:22:00):
want to call it, that sits at the center, but
all those points around the sphere are different ways to
perceive it, and that's that's valuable for learning and evolution,
and yeah, I think I think we need more of
that openness.

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
Yeah, I think for me lately, as far as you know,
sure we want to know the truth. It would be
awesome to just like that's it, that's the one thing
or whatever it is, you know. But I feel like
if we are all one, let's say, or or we
all come from source or God or whatever it is,
and we're just you know, consciousness trying to figure itself out,
I feel like it would design many modalities to do

(01:22:39):
that and experience that and not just one. So maybe
there isn't even a one truth quote unquote, but but
just experiences for us.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
Just experience. It's an expansion.

Speaker 5 (01:22:51):
Yeah, and not judge the wholeness.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
I love that. I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
Yeah, dude, well I think that that's a good place
to start with a tarot reading there, sir. What do
you think?

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
My god, you caught me off guard, dude, I was
so intrigued by the conversation. Usually I try to pull
it ahead of time. That way, I'm not sitting here
looking dumb with the card not popping out, you know.
So if you guys want to carry on a minute,
and now we'll see what I can do.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
No, it'll pop out at the right time. Or what
do you do You mess around with tarot cards or
anything like that?

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
Crysal Oh, I mess around. Yeah, I think they're another channel.
I think they are another channel of information that you
can tap into that's very physical. It's very earth bound,
but extremely potent.

Speaker 5 (01:23:37):
Right For some reason, it's the tangible things that get
that stigma thrown on it, you know what I mean. Like,
I'm still a little weirded out about like a Wigi board.
Jonathan wants to do it, and if we're at his house,
maybe we'll do it. I don't know, but not my house.
You know that, I'm still a little weird about that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
What are your thoughts on the Luigi board.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
When I was first awakening and those channels were opening
to other dimensions, I did experience some time in the
dark dimensions, and so I even had like a full
on demon experience. And for me, yeah, there was a

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my friend actually had had a sleep proalysis issue and
she she it was just absolutely terrifying to her. Long
story short, she asked the entity to show itself. And
I don't like to describe it because I don't want
to call in its energy, but something kind of scary,
and she realized that she was battling another consciousness and

(01:24:45):
then she called me over because I guess that's what
my friends do when they have these experiences. And we
did some research into it, and it was like a
known entity and I looked at her and I was like,
if it comes from me tonight, I swear I'm gonna
be so pissed. And sure enough, that night, I woke

(01:25:07):
up to this entity at the end of my bed,
just like you know, waking consciousness, completely aware in connection
with this pretty terrifying thing at the end of my bed.
And the interesting thing for me was that it was
my worst nightmare come alive. And there's something about when
your worst nightmare comes alive that I was just like

(01:25:30):
not afraid. And I think because it couldn't get into
my sleep state, it couldn't get into my subconscious and
cause sleep paralysis. But it does like to bounce around
to different consciousnesses until it can latch on. So it
was messing with me in the three dimensional world and shaking,
and then it evaporated and my bed started shaking like

(01:25:52):
straight out of the Exorcist, and I was just sitting
there in a shaking bed. I was like, what, I
had this moment where I was like you, I see you,
I acknowledge you. This is not the place for you.
Please leave, go into the light. And then my bed
would shake more. And then I grabbed a white candle

(01:26:14):
because I was like, I don't know what else to do.
And then I got very centered in my energy and
I was just like, this is not your space, and
I acknowledged it, and she left and after that I
never had another experience with that kind of energy, because
the gift in that experience is that it causes you

(01:26:35):
to find your power and you know that you are
incredibly powerful. You are more powerful than anything that you
can perceive to be a threat, and that was a gift.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
Really, one hundred percent agree with that. Yeah, that's that's
kind of a realization that I've had too. Anytime I
start to feel like any kind of negative energy or
negative spirit or whatever, whether it's in a dream, a nightmare,
reality meditation, whatever, I'm just like, dude, you don't even
have a body, like you're the one trying to come here.

(01:27:10):
Like I'm clearly right, I'm clearly more than whatever you are,
So why would I be scared of you, you know,
and I just.

Speaker 5 (01:27:17):
Be like, you're in my world now, Grandma, you know exactly.
I've had an experience similar to that where there was
something beside my bed and it looked like the Day
of the Dead girl, you know, but it was like
she was just dressed in all black. I feel like
there was like flowers or something, but it was like
draped over and you couldn't really see her face, but
I felt like it was definitely a female, and it

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was just like there and just like like looking at
me kind of, but just just standing there, very still.
And it was terrifying because I couldn't do anything. I
couldn't say anything, I couldn't I couldn't move. And yeah,
I don't know, I don't know exactly what to take
away from that, but I guess kind of what I
was how I was looking at it was, well, if
I'm thinking Day of the Dead, you know, maybe I'm

(01:28:01):
thinking of death being a thing that's like guaranteed, you know,
at some point at least in this life. And to
just enjoy what I have now when I wake up,
and you know, enjoy what's around me, my family, And
so that's kind of I think that's the secret sauce.
You know, you can always transmute these experiences into something
positive rather than dwelling or living in fear. But anyway,

(01:28:25):
that means said, I gotta I got a Tarot card,
And just as we were talking about not being judgmental,
we got the judgment card.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
Interesting, of course, so we're we're still babies in this
whole Tarot journey here. I mean we've we have been
doing it for quite a while now, just about every
episode we do a Tarot reading. But we still like
to go to the book. There's this one book that
does a really good job at like telling the story

(01:28:54):
behind what the card actually means, called Guided Tarot for
Seamless Readings. It's an awesome book. Highly suggest anyone. Oh cool, yeah, yeah.
So the Judgment card. It says judgment serves as the
ultimate release when we are accepting of the past and
of ourselves. As we follow the divine call to our
spiritual awakening, you are ready for the next step in

(01:29:16):
personal growth, accepting yourself and releasing the past and the
judgment card. An angel on the sky blows a trumpet
while people emerge from caskets, rejoicing as they heed the call.
The artwork on this card references the Biblical resurrection on
Judgment Day, overt Christian themes aside. What you see on
this card is a depiction of answering the universe's signed
signs that prompt a spiritual awakening. During the awakening process,

(01:29:39):
you reflect on your life choices, actions, and experiences as
you judge yourself. Remember to have compassion for who you
once were and release those judgments so you are able
to move on from the past and the spiritual little passage,
the spiritual explanation for it or the personal it says,
put your energy toward noticing the signs from the universe

(01:30:00):
so you can begin releasing yourself from self criticism and judgment.
This is the time to start accepting your spiritual gifts,
moving on from past pain, and embracing a new period
of spiritual awakening.

Speaker 5 (01:30:12):
That's one of my favorites.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
I think, Wow, that's a solid one.

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:18):
Once you can, once you can stop just beating yourself up.
You know, it's like, use that same amount of energy
for the other way, you know, Like, yeah, not, I mean,
you're you're using your imagination to make up this bullshit
you might as well make up some good bullshit, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
Yeah, you might as well make up some good yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
And I think I think a lot of times I
also think about forgiveness and this idea that one of
my teachers always would tell tell us that forgiveness is
giving yourself forward to this present moment and the possibility
in it, and that whatever is entangled in your past
is just it's like a drag on your energy. And

(01:30:59):
I know for me, like even in my personal journey,
like there's there's certainly a level of perfectionism sometimes that
I hold myself too that I have to be softer
on and it's like I'm still in my human you know,
And I love I have a great time with like
human Crystal. I really like her as my ego like
rebuilt itself. That was clear, but it's it's yet I

(01:31:24):
think for the human collective also, there's so much judgment
of each other going around and for us to move
forward collectively, we have to kind of forgive the past
and allow for something new, like you're like you're saying,
Sean is allow for something new to be born, but
we have to we have to give that up. And

(01:31:46):
I love that card because it really speaks to a
lot of potential about spiritual awakening for each of us,
and I think for the human the human collective.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Oh yeah, definitely, big time. Yeah, you know what, I
think that that is a good place to wrap up.
We're going to get into the meditation. But before we do,
could you let all of the one out there know
where they can find you and all of your work.

Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
Yeah, you can find me at soulpodapp dot com. You
can find us on Instagram as well. Sol pod app,
and we're in the iOS app store and we have
a retreat coming up in August and Joshua Tree for
anybody who wants to join, We've got a couple spots left.

Speaker 5 (01:32:29):
That's awesome. That sounds like a fun time.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
Joshua Tree, I've always wanted to check it out.

Speaker 4 (01:32:34):
Oh man, it's it's a magical spot. And we may,
I mean we're not. We will do an e T
meditation experience. Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
That sounds so thick.

Speaker 5 (01:32:46):
That's what we're missing, man, we need it to have
that experience a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
Yes, yes, I love it. Well, we're going to get
into the meditation right now. And I did want to
remind people that. If you want to be able to
join us for this meditation, come check us out over
at patreon dot com slash meta Mysteries that links down
in the show notes. As we said before, if you
come join us over at patrioon on Patreon, you'll have
completely commercial free listening. You'll get the shows like a

(01:33:14):
week in advance, and you'll be able to join us
every Wednesday night live for the wonder Wednesday shows. So
if that's something that tickles your fancy, then come check
us out over at Patreon. Right now, what we're gonna
do is we're gonna get into the meditation, and so
you'll still be able to listen to whatever we experience
during these meditations, and whatever fascinating things or not so

(01:33:36):
fascinating things happen during the meditation, you'll be able to
hear that on the podcast and on YouTube and stuff
like that. But if you want to join on the
actual meditation, then Patreon would be the way to go.
That being said, I think I know what kind of
meditation we're gonna do today.

Speaker 5 (01:33:52):
Oh what do you gotta dude?

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
That's gonna be the silent meditation where we don't listen
to shit.

Speaker 5 (01:33:57):
My god, let's do it. I mean, I don't think
we've ever done yet.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
We have not.

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
I love that show.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Yeah, yeah, you inspired us on that one. Let's let's
jump right into that. But uh yeah, I guess if
you want to stick around for the meditation, then just
hang tight. But if you don't, then this is where
we leave you. And what we like to say is
is that if Crystal Cassidy came here and she taught
you anything, it's that you don't know what you don't know,

(01:34:24):
So don't just get weird, stay weird.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Dinner Wend where shadows dance with light through the whispering
world said nine, see crits echo through the air, met
misters everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
That was a good time. I wasn't expecting it to
be that awesome, but it was.

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
It's very interesting, very Yeah. What happened for you.

Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
Guys, Well, for me, it was like in levels because
at first, when I first got into it, I was
like wanting to because it felt for us on this show,
it felt very unusual for us to not have anything
in the background, not even like a tone or a
frequency or anything at all. And so I had to
turn my levels down because I could hear myself breathing

(01:35:15):
into my headphones, which I don't know. It was kind
of throwing me off because at first I was thinking,
they can definitely hear me breathing, you know, it's just
weird like, and then I was like, okay, I'm muted,
they can't hear me. But so I turned it down
so I didn't have to listen to it as as strong.
But then I started to just pay attention to my breathing,
and really what it sounded like to me was you

(01:35:39):
know when the like when you go to the beach
and you see the water kind of going away from
the sand, and the water kind of trickling through the
little tiny pebals and it's just like sh and it's
being sucked back into the ocean, and then you hear
the crest and the wave kind of crashed down, and
so that's what I was imagining my breath was, you know,

(01:36:00):
was that that sound of the water going out and
coming in, going out and coming in. And then I
was thinking about that as far as you know, because
my breathing at first was kind of I don't know
if I was breathing really short or a little more tense.
You know, I was like trying not to breathe so hard.
But then I finally got to the point where I
was breathing a lot more naturally, you know. I was thinking, well,

(01:36:22):
the ocean doesn't care whether it's crashing hard or if
it's you know, not really waving at all. It's just
doing what nature does, you know, And so I, I know,
it's kind of weird. I just took myself through this
like little process and speaking about nature and all. I
saw this this bird today and it was trying to
fly against the wind, and it looked really weird at

(01:36:43):
first because it looked like it was just kind of
hovering in mid air because the wind was going against it.
And then as soon and it was trying to flap
against it and it wasn't going anywhere. It was really
strange looking. And then it just decided to turn around
and go with the wind, and it just took off
like really fast, you know, And I was like, oh, oh,
you know, even Nature's like, oh, I got to go
with the flow, you know, and it's able to I

(01:37:05):
don't know. So that was kind of what I was
thinking about. But nothing, nothing too mystical, but just certain
little little things that I've experienced today and mixed in
with actually utilizing my breath and trying to take myself
somewhere or understanding that the way I was breathing before
and how I was breathing midway through the meditation was

(01:37:25):
so different. Oh yeah, just because I was like, oh,
I'm breathing very short right now, or I'm trying to
not exhale too fast or too hard or too loud
or you know what I mean. And so yeah, just
the contrast of how I was breathing before and midway
through is so different.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
It's definitely a major change because, you know, with the
frequencies and you know, the guided meditations and stuff like that,
you're going with whatever flow you're presented with, and so
it's something to latch onto, you know. But whenever it's
just you and it's dead silence, you know, because we
got these like noise canceling headphones on and so like,

(01:38:03):
I feel like I'm in a padded cell and nobody
can hear me screaming kind of thing. I wasn't panicking
or anything like that, but you know, it's it's interesting
because as soon as I close my eyes and I
turned down the computer or the light on the computer
and stuff and everything went silent. Dude, I immediately just
like got this weird wave of something over my body

(01:38:26):
that I felt like I was going back to the void.
Like I felt like I was going back there again,
because it was in kind of a similar circumstance. Whenever
I did DMT, I had, you know, other people around
me kind of monitoring me and stuff like that, and
I knew that they were watching and the same thing
right here, like I know that you guys are you know,
in the presence rate here, and you're right in my

(01:38:47):
face and if I open my eyes, I know you're
right there kind of thing. And so I was like, oh,
this is eerily similar to what I was experiencing with
the void. And so I was like, you know what
I'm gonna. I ain't running from this, like I'm just
kind of face it head on, see what happens. And
I know, my mind kept on like you know, it's
it's hard to keep your mind on one thing whenever

(01:39:08):
you're not listening to anything, and so like as soon
as my mind started peeling away, I was like, no,
go to the void. Go to the void. And I
just kept on trying to go there and so then
I was like, well, I mean, there's nothing to latch
onto with the void, Like, how do you It's just blackness,
It's just darkness. There's nothing. And so I was like,
you know what, this is going to be the thing

(01:39:30):
that I would be able to latch onto. And I
was every time I would breathe in, I would say
the nothing, the nothing, and I was just doing it
like back and forth, and it brought me there and
it was like, I don't know, I maybe I overcame
the fear of the void kinda in that circumstance, and

(01:39:51):
it was quite nice, you know, just to kind of
float around and not really to to to get to
that point of focusing on nothing while also you know,
playing the game with your breath of like in one
word out another word, whenever you're whenever you're breathing like
that in your mind, and you know it, I don't know,
I thought that it was. I felt like I could

(01:40:14):
have done it for three hours, you know what. I
felt like I could have went for a very long
time with that. And honestly, there was a point in
my mind where I was like, I don't know how
long we've been going, you know, I was like I
was like, I don't know if this was fifteen minutes
or thirty minutes, you know, And I was like, all right,
let me get up out of here because they might
be waiting on bombing. And so that's why I woke
up really from it.

Speaker 5 (01:40:35):
Right, Well, I got to go to the bathroom again.
It's been like three hours.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
It's been four days. You're still going I don't know,
you know, but.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
What kind of experience did you have? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
I just I want to acknowledge both of your experiences
as being I mean, Sean, that's that's a lot of
wisdom in your in your meditation there, I mean with
the breath and the the bird, you know. I think
it also ties into the judgment card we were just
looking at as far as oh just turn into it

(01:41:09):
and look and look what is possible in what can happen?
So that's that's really powerful. In the void, I mean,
the void is because it's nothingness, it's also everything and
that's pure possibility and that's where it really gets fun. Yes,
and yeah, and that is something about the longer meditations

(01:41:31):
is I do think you slip outside of time, and
so quite literally it doesn't it time gets very confusing,
So that makes a lot of sense, you know. It
was really it was interesting for me too, and this
is when I know that I'm interacting with a new
field of energy. I just felt and you mentioned Jonathan
a wave. I felt a wave immediately come through and

(01:41:55):
it was Sean. I think you mentioned smiling at the beginning,
and I was just my I was I felt like,
I don't know if I was physically smiling, but I
felt like so much joy. And I think it was
the energy of you two in the community and everybody
else in this community that's doing this work and exploring
these these practices and these ideas, and I could feel

(01:42:19):
it in what you all have built here, and it
was just I mean, wow, it left me feeling very
very happy to be in conversation and connection with you
both and your entire community. I just think it's I
could feel it very tangibly, and my heart was just

(01:42:41):
the front of my heart was very open, and yeah,
just everybody out there that's doing this work and on
this journey. This is the ultimate journey, I think in
a lot of ways, and how cool it is that
we get to do it together. So that that was
a big chunk of my experienceperience, and you know, I

(01:43:01):
had a few few kind of insights around my own
my own personal life and whatnot. And it was Yeah,
it was waves of energy, which was really cool for
such a short meditation, but also led to your point, Jonathan, like,
it doesn't take much once you've worked that muscle up
and you can go into the void and you can

(01:43:22):
connect in that space. So yeah, thank you. That was
that was really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
Yeah, that was very interesting. And you know, I was
just thinking too, like as far as like, uh so
we we've listened to uh, other people who are really
good at like remote viewing and stuff like that. And
there's this story about this guy that was in the
remote viewing program and the CIA, and uh it was

(01:43:49):
him and his boy that went into two separate rooms,
completely separate. They didn't have any specific goal about where
they were going or anything, but their goal was to
try and meet up and to see if their story's
corel And so they told the story to the guy
that was administering the whole thing. Each of them told
the story, and their stories aligned and they were actually

(01:44:11):
there together and they were having a conversation. They were
shaking hands, they were talking to this other being, both
of them without even any foreknowledge of what they were
going to experience. They were both in their experience in
the same exact thing. And while I don't know if
it's necessarily like that what we kind of just experienced
right there, it reminds me of like, you know, whenever
you're meditating, like on purpose with other people, you do

(01:44:35):
feel like you're kind of connecting to them in that sense.
And I did feel definitely like the energy of y'all
as well, you know, like it was definitely an enhancer.
And so yeah, I mean, maybe we'll work towards, you know,
talking to other beings in this realm together, but that's
a good starting point, I think at least.

Speaker 5 (01:44:55):
Oh yeah, yeah. There was another little aspect of this,
and I think this happened once before when we had
a guest. And I don't know if you guys are
familiar with Zelda, but there's like the tri force. It's
like the triangle made up little triangles. And one thing
I felt like I was kind of seeing was like
three I don't know if there were triangles or three
something balls of energy. I don't really know, but they

(01:45:17):
were like coming together like this, you know, and it
was just like something. There was three of them and
they were coming together, like to form one triangle or
one thing pyramid, I don't know, but it was cool.
It was pretty cool though. I could definitely see these
things trying to come together. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
That's cool, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 5 (01:45:39):
But I thought i'd let you guys know.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
I think the meditating and silence, like, that's that's gonna
be something we do more often now. So thank you
so much for that one, Crystal, because we I don't know,
we never even thought about doing that, which is so strange.

Speaker 5 (01:45:52):
What it is is that it's a podcast, you know,
and so it's like we need something to listen to.
Otherwise it's just fifteen minutes of silence for the listener.
But if they're meditating and they know that they're doing
it with us.

Speaker 4 (01:46:05):
And it's not just fifteen minutes of silence, it's two
minutes of expansion exactly right.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
I think that, honestly, it doesn't even matter what you
listen to. I think that there are certain things that
you can listen to. Maybe it would enhance it or whatever,
But to be honest, I feel like you could listen
to a fifteen minute continuous fart and meditate on it,
you know what I'm saying, like, yeah, whatever, I was
in there, as long as you're like calming down and
just listening with intent and trying to get to your

(01:46:34):
place like probably work either way.

Speaker 5 (01:46:36):
Really Oh yeah, yeah, there.

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
Is no There is no one way, that's for sure.
I also think, yeah, I think, And just to throw
this in there, I feel like we've been we've crossed
paths before, you and us three here, so's it's very cool.
I could feel that.

Speaker 5 (01:46:55):
It's almost certain of it at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
It feels familiar that there's no doubt.

Speaker 5 (01:47:00):
Well it was meditation, just deep and meditated before.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
I'm sure, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:47:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
Well I guess we'll wrap it up right there and
we can all carry on with our night. But Crystal,
thank you so much. You are awesome. Thank you so
much for coming on to the show and giving us
a little bit of divine guidance. And you know, your
sharing your experiences and your story about you know, where
you were to how you came to be. We really
appreciate that. So, yeah, you're you're great.

Speaker 5 (01:47:34):
The last interview at least to my understanding of the day,
So at least you get to finish that off with
a meditation, and hopefully we weren't too terrible with our questions.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
Oh my gosh, you you both had such great questions.
It was absolute joy. And thank you for having me.

Speaker 5 (01:47:50):
Thank you for agreeing to it. Definite again if you're
up for that too.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
Oh anytime, anytime.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
Awesome, awesome. Well, Well look, we'll have all of your
information of the show notes below if anybody wants to
reach out to you and uh, yeah, this was great,
we'll definitely do it again and we'll see everybody on
the flip side.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
I guess in.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
Or realm, where shadows dance with light through the whispering
words at nine, see crits echo through the air, met
the mysteries everywhere, Voices drift on winds untamed, where it's

(01:48:40):
like spells that can't be named. Close your eyes and
feel the sound. Journey where no bounds are found.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
Opens inside your mind. Leave the ordinary form, because color swirl,
the stars alive.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
In the mental mysteries, you'll find tales of ancient power
rise from the depths of crystal skies, where the ants

(01:49:25):
comes to play. Lost in dreams, you lose the day,
chanting truth from ages old in the unknown.

Speaker 6 (01:49:37):
We are bold.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
Let the podcast guide your silence through the veil of
silent night Waves of cosmic whispers flow through the realms.

(01:50:08):
You'll never for no parallel in every beat where the
mystic stories made

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