Why The Occult Is Hidden & The History of The Rosicrucians

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You've created everything. What put a powerful being you are?
You did these things, but now you're in a human body.
You forget the power you have.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
What you do is what the whole universe is doing
at the place you call here, and now you are
something the whole universe is doing, in the same way
that a way is something that the whole ocean is doing.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
You're doing doing what. Welcome to metimistics where you don't
know what you don't know. My name's Jonathan, I'm Sean,
and welcome to the Wonder Wizday Live Show. Maybe this
is going to be a bit of a doozy, and

(00:53):
they all are as we try to make them all be.
I mean, it's not even coming from an inflat did
ego of any kind of sort, but I feel like
just about almost every episode we're like expanding and expanding
and expanding, and it's just, you know, a mystery school
in and of itself. And speaking of mystery schools, tonight

(01:14):
we're diving into the uh what was it called the
Invisible College? All right, dude, all right, I'm ready, man,
Yeah dude, So, uh that is.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
That from Homeboy?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, yeah, buddy, Yeah, all right, So me and me
and Nick were talking a little bit earlier. Sean, I
sent you the video.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
I started to watch it. I got about halfway through,
but I was like, oh shit, you know what I.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Mean, he's on something. Yeah. And so there was a
video by doctor Robert Gilbert from about a year or
two ago. He went onto a podcast and dude, he
was in the kitchen cooking like the entire time. I
was like, how I aim to be somebody who can
literally just talk for two straight hours and just give

(02:02):
information after more information, not even have it. Dude didn't
even have any notes in front of them or anything.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
No fillers or no you know what I mean. It
was just straight up just NonStop dude.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, I just I idolize those kind of people. So,
uh yeah, we're gonna be getting into the weird tonight.
But look before we do, because this show is going
to be about Rosicrucianism and it was inspired by Sir
doctor Robert Gilbert, amongst other studies that I had done
in preparation to this show. But you know what, in

(02:35):
the past few days, I if you are a listener
of the Cult of Conspiracy, you have heard me kind
of deconstruct a few things and a lot of people
were not fans of that, you know, as as they
probably wouldn't be. I mean, I'm I'm not who am
I to judge on anything, But the main reason why

(02:56):
I wanted to do it was because I was like, man,
a lot of these things seem to be like core
principles of what the religion itself is built upon. And
I was like, we got to really look at this
in this way and and by the way, you know,
I talked about the Nephilum, I talked about the Noah's

(03:16):
ark and the biblical flood, and you know how impossible
all of that is, right, Not because I'm just like
a non believer of sorts. It's because, like, shouldn't we
just look at these things as the myths that they
are and stop saying, well, it happened, so it's true.
Therefore you're a Satan worshipper if you don't believe it.

(03:37):
I don't like that. I'm not a fan of that.
If you want to sit here and talk about your myth,
that's okay, that's cool, man, you know, and honestly, even
if you believe it to be true and believe it
to be real, you know, whenever you're going around proselytizing
and you're condemning others for not believing what you believe in,
that is I've just become a little bit but heard

(03:58):
over that over the couple of the last couple of years.
And it's always so simple. And this isn't just me complaining,
but just kind of going on about, you know, what
I've experienced. But it's always so simple for everybody else
to attack everybody else's beliefs but not mine kind of thing.
And I'm like, I don't that's not fair, you know,
like we're all individuals, we're all experiencing things on a

(04:20):
regular basis, and and so what because I'm not a Christian,
I can't have an aloheem experience. Tell me how that works,
you know. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
And I think a lot of that too, you know,
has to do with just the the culture, you know,
like where this country has come from. I mean it
literally says like in God we trust and I feel.
And I think that a lot of the government officials,
you know, coming up, they had to like actually state
their their like loyalty or their faith in the Lord

(04:49):
and all of that before they could even get into office.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
You know, what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
And so when there's a lot of intertwining of the
religion and government and just the culture in general, I
mean that if you don't believe in that, then you
know what I mean, you're just a heathen.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
And that's the thing is that I think that most
of it is more culture and tradition, you know, under
the guise of faith and belief personally. Again, nothing wrong
with that, but Nick, what are you What are your thoughts, sir?

Speaker 3 (05:18):
I think a lot. I think it doesn't go without
saying about a lot of myth though in my opinion
just from what I've been learning, is that I think
a lot of it is based in a kind of
collective cultural memory of sorts, like I think that there

(05:39):
are caveats of truth to them that people did experience, like,
but the literal myths of it all, and I think
that's where where we find the most truth is where
are the common elements to the myth? And like if
you draw the find the common denominators across all cultures,

(06:03):
then you begin to, you know, understand what really happened,
Like in the sense of the flood, They're probably there
was floods, there was you know, things that did happen,
whether it's localized or not. But also uniquely enough, almost
every single culture has stories of higher beings, you know,

(06:24):
interacting with humanity in some way or another. So like
it's like floods, higher beings interacting God beings and things
like that. So for me, like, no matter what the
story actually is, it's like, well, there seems to be
some consistency across the board in that regard, at least.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
As far as like the spiritual nature and the unseen if.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
You will, Yeah, and even and even physically seen sometimes too,
because you know, it's just I just think that those
are the consistent things that that are, you know, across
all of those narratives, is that they're beings the interact
with community, positive or negative, and and you know that

(07:07):
that's the most consistent to me, to be honest, across
every culture.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
I wonder what the what the symbolic nature is of
a flood, you know, if if the flood is something
that has happened in a lot of cultures and a
lot of you know, narratives, and that seems to be
the thing that that connects all of them together, I
wonder what the symbolic understanding of that would be as
far as there being a flood getting rid of all

(07:34):
life except for two or or you know what I'm saying.
You know how the story goes. But it's like, what
is the what is it that they're trying to portray?
Because that story is just so ridiculous, but yet they
found it necessary to keep it in there.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Oh dude. And that's the thing is that, you know,
even in that flood show that I did the other
day on the cult, you have certain other stories that
mention the same exact thing. And that's not necessarily to
you know, take away from the myth or the story
or the legend or whatever itself. But you have other
stories that literally say the same exact things, such as

(08:13):
uh Atra hasis that you know, you always hear Billy
Carson bring up the epic of Gilgamesh, which was actually
even before that, and almost every time it is understood
that it is a spiritual cleansing, like you have to
flood it in order to be reborn. That's, in my opinion,
that's the entire like the entire basis of a baptism

(08:35):
in the in the first place, it is a literal
flooding of the consciousness to purge out all of the
impurities and to to make clean again. And this is
the same thing that like, who was it that came
on the show, the lady that could talk to her
grandma or whatever through the roku tea, right, yeah, I

(08:56):
remember her name. Whenever she came on, she said that
her grandmother was Now, what think whatever you want about
that story. I think it's awesome. But whenever she was
talking about that, she said that her grandmother, if she
wanted to go to the other side, she had to
go through like a wall of fire to get cleansed.
And fire and water are always known as like cleansing

(09:18):
rituals of sorts, you know. So anyway, look, I just
wanted to throw it out there. And the reason why,
you know, I'm actually gonna start this episode kind of
talking a little bit about that because I, unfortunately I
had to hurt. I had to learn the hard way
through those couple of episodes. Now, I thought that I
was doing, you know, a pretty good service, helping people

(09:41):
see it from different perspectives and whatnot, and man, oh boy,
it got ugly. I mean you should see some of
the comments on Patreon you should see some of the
comments on Apple podcasts and Spotify or wherever. People. I mean,
I think there was even like a TikTok that was
made out of it. Oh my god, I am getting
drugged through the the mud. And to be honest, I'm

(10:01):
kind of here for the smoke. I like that kind
of shit, but it doesn't make it doesn't look good,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
So well, I mean to mention something about that as
far as you know, like this is where you know
where you were coming from, you know, it's where you
are right now.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
It's where you.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Didn't grow up, you know, just enamored with that information,
and so you were almost kind of just experiencing shit
and that just wasn't part of your story growing up,
you know, And so I I it kind of gives
you the ability to see things for more what they
are rather than you know, as you've said, you know

(10:39):
more of the like nostalgia and the experience of growing
up with that every Sunday or you know whatever it is,
going to Sunday school, and it wasn't part of your experience.
And so I don't understand why, you know, the all
of the anger for you voicing your own opinion and
your own experience and your understanding as of right.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Now, because any kind of deconstruction that people don't necessarily
have an answer for, they're always just going to get
angry and they're going to, you know, try and kill
the messenger kind of thing. And it's they think that
I'm coming at it from like from hate and anger
and like judgment and stuff like that. And maybe that's

(11:21):
how my voice just portrays sometimes I'm trying to work
on it. But that wasn't at all while I was
really trying to get to which actually gets to the
first part of this show. Since we are going to
be getting into Rosicrucianism, first, let's understand that there are
some rules to the occult in the first place. And

(11:43):
you know, it's like the old saying that whenever the
student is ready, the teacher will appear. Right. The teacher
doesn't go out and try and proselytize to the student.
The student has to be ready the student. And it's
even said actually within Freemasonry. I don't know if it's
this way amongst all all the different you know, uh,
secret societies or whatever, but they say that if you

(12:05):
if you ever want to become part of the Freemasonic
Brotherhood or whatever it is. Right, you have to ask
somebody who's in there three times. They're supposed to say
no to you twice and then they'll accept you on
the third try. And there's reason behind that because it reminds.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Me of Austin Powers, who does number two were for?
I'm not going to ever tell you who theo's number two?
And he tells them the third time and he's like, oh,
you know, He's like, oh, that was pretty easy. He's like, yeah,
every time someone asked me something three times, I just
I have to tell you.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
It's like he goes, ah, damn, that's three. That's three. Yeah,
that's a Wilfair one, I think, right, yep. So but
it's it, and you'll see why that is common practice
amongst secret societies, mystery schools, initiatory kind of events. And
so we're going to get into it. So this is
actually going to be a two part episode. Uh, a

(12:54):
little bit on the occult, mainly on a Rosccretionianism, because
we've talked a little bit about six societies and whatnot.
But I feel like now is the right time that
we start really dipping our feet in there, let's do it, man.
So the occult, why it is hidden? That's literally what
occult means is it's hidden. Right, So the true meaning

(13:15):
of the occult. The word occult often strikes fear into
the hearts of the uninitiated. It conjures images of shadowy rituals,
hidden covens, and forbidden knowledge. But in truth, the word
simply means hidden, hidden knowledge, hidden wisdom, hidden truths. The
question then becomes why hidden. The mainstream narrative says occultists
hide their practices to control or exclude others. But perhaps

(13:39):
the opposite is true. Perhaps occultists hide because history has
shown that when they speak too openly, they are judged, ridiculed,
or even killed. The occult, then, is not about secrecy
for secrecy's sake. It's about protection, protection of wisdom from
those who would destroy it, and protection of seekers from
truth that they are not yet ready to bear. M So, okay,

(14:02):
this is uh. And to be honest, it was kind
of like a personal thing as to why I really
wanted to set it up this way, because I realized
with all of the shade that was kind of thrown
my way whenever I did an episode on the Nephilum
and the biblical flood. I was like, Oh, it's just
that they're they're not seeking that kind of information, you know,

(14:24):
because I'm over here like looking at it from an
occultist point of view? What's the deeper meaning to that?
What does it actually mean? And and of course anybody
that is looking at it from the gnostic view or
looking at it from you know, a deeper meaning kind
of a cult like view, you're going to say, my god,
the literal way is literally the dumbest way to interpret it,
Like it is the most surface level. Even a child

(14:46):
can understand it, like clearly it's it. I don't know,
that's kind of my way of looking at it. And
but who am I? Who are we to judge on
on you know, people's their own path and you know
where they're trying to get into understanding and stuff. So
and to be honest, dude, after that, there's there's a
couple of days after that. Man, I was feeling kind
of dark and gloomy, you know what I'm saying, because

(15:08):
I was like, yeah, I kind of I feel like
I proved my point, but you don't, you know, it
wasn't a win by any mean though, yeah, I mean, yeah, no,
I know exactly what you mean. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
And you know, it's funny because you know, it's not
like you're upset that nobody is believing in what you believe.
It's not like you're going out there and telling them
that they're going to some fiery place because they don't
believe what you believe. You know, I think most of
the most of that that negative feeling, it comes from

(15:39):
them telling us that, you know, it's like, just because
we don't believe what you believe, were heathens were going
to hell?

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, and it's common practice to almost want to reciprocate
that kind of feeling that we feel as a result
of that. And that's not right either.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Right, But, like I said, at least we're not telling
people that they're not going somewhere bad because they don't
believe we look at it the way we do, you know, So.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Right right, So the White boy Wizard said, what up,
you glorious mastards? What's update? My boy is? Nick posted
up a meme that said, uh, cognitive dissonance. Oh boy, Yeah,
people don't like that term cognitive dissonance. This is why
people get upset when their beliefs are challenged, A mental
conflict occurs when beliefs are contradicted by new information. This

(16:25):
conflict activates areas of the brain involved in personal identity
and emotional response. Uh, the emotional response to threats. The
brain's alarm goes off when a person feels threatened on
a deeply personal and emotional level, causing them to shut
down and disregard any rational evidence that contradicts that they

(16:46):
previously regarded as truth. Wow, what a beautiful term. Yep. Yeah,
So all right, let's get over to it. If we're
let's dive a little bit deeper into the occult now,
at least at least some of the you know, I
don't want to say rules or laws or anything, but

(17:06):
just like the niceties, well of what you should be doing,
I guess. So, first off, we need to understand that
there is a misunderstanding of secrecy in the first place.
So throughout history, mystical traditions have been forced underground, not
out of arrogance but survival. The witch hunts of Europe,
the burning of gnostics, the suppression of alchemists, these were

(17:27):
all responses to the unfamiliar. Occultists weren't hiding from seekers
they were hiding from mobs with torches. The masses often
believed that they were destroying evil, but in reality, they
were silencing new ways of seeing the world. Secrecy, then,
is not elitism. It is a natural response to misunderstanding.
Just as you don't reveal your deepest vulnerabilities to someone

(17:48):
who mocks you, occultists don't reveal their sacred practices to
those who would trample on them. Yep. Yeah, that's what's
so frustrating, because you want to just like shake people
and be like, this is what they meant. This is
what they meant right here. Can't you just see it?
And they're like, no, I want to I'm cool with this, nap,

(18:09):
you know what I mean, Like, I'm all right, Yeah,
it's like the old adage is that you can't you
can't wake somebody up who's pretending to be asleep, you know. Yeah.
So anyway, so then of course there is fear in projection.
So at the root of persecution is fear. Fear of
the unknown, fear of losing control, fear of having one's
world view shattered. Occultists have often been scapegoats, easy targets

(18:32):
for the protection of society's own inner shadows. Carl Jung
would say that we refuse to confront with it, or
what we confuse to confront within ourselves, we demonize when
we see it outside. Damn dude. Yes, that is why
so many symbols of the occult, whether it be serpents
or pentagrams or black robes, were all vilified. They became

(18:55):
screens onto which society projection projects its shadow. But in truth,
these simbols are simply languages of archetypes and forces within
the psyche and the cosmos. So they're not good, they're
not bad. They're just things. It is what it is,
and it's the same thing of what we say even
about tarot cards. They ain't not magical about tarot cards.
There ain't not magical about a pendulum. There's nothing magical

(19:19):
like where the once. Once you kind of get to
this point, you understand that like that thing is being
charged up by you, you know, I mean maybe.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
You're perceived by you put through your lens and your understanding,
through the experiences that you've had, and you look back
at that and go, oh, I see what this card
is telling me.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
You know. I think you can pull up any card.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
And get some information on based off of what you're
going through right now or what you know, what I'm saying,
or what's to come.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Right And I don't even want to say that it's
just you, especially whenever we're doing this Rosicrucian episode, because
they're understanding of the angels and the demons and the
gods and stuff like that, it will really reframe what
we think about all of that so much so that
like these are interactionary kind of spirits that you know

(20:09):
are always around and it seems kind of crazy, you know,
but I will say, you know, those couple of times
that we've had Lord Byron on and a couple of
like of his occultist buddies whenever, especially whenever Lord Byron
came on and he yeah he did the meditation with
Gabriel and Urio and Michael and all them. Right, Yeah,
it's like there was something going on there. Oh absolutely, Yeah,

(20:31):
definitely definitely. And I didn't even have any preconceived notions
about which, you know, Angel did what it was more
of like, man, that was strange that like it just
lined up that way with what they do or whatever.
But yeah, pretty pretty wild.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
So this is definitely I think I'm sorry, I didn't
need to cut you off, dude. I think I need
somewhat of a perception shift when it comes to this,
you know, because I think for whatever reason, man, anytime
like like God's or you know, things of that nature
are brought up, I'm just like not like rolling my eyes,
you know, but like just the feeling of like, oh, okay,

(21:09):
there's something that is much more powerful than we are
and it's gonna tell me what I can and cannot do,
and like, I don't know, it just gives me like
this weird. I don't know what it is, dude. Maybe
I've been talking to the demons too long.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, Well, from my understanding is
is that think about like a tree like a tree.
Are you more powerful than a tree? Or is a
tree more powerful than you? It's almost like a moot point,
like you can't even say which one is more powerful.
It's that one does tree things and one does human things.
And I think that angels and demons and gods and

(21:43):
if you to look at them in that in that sense,
that's just what they do and this is just what
we do. Yeah, you know, And so anyway, let's get
over to it, so so now we have this is
something that's very important, and because we don't if we're
really trying to fully understand the deeper mystical meaning of everything,

(22:04):
and then once we figured it out, we just want
to go scream it from the top of the of
the mountaintops.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
You know.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
It's like I learned from experience. That's a terrible idea.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
So you know, one thing too that we've been learning is,
you know, the the entire journey itself is for the
individual at least, this is how I look at it,
because based off of my perception is the reality that
I see, and my curiosities all of a sudden will
bring new information or even more weird. I'll have a
curiosity and then the show that you're presenting is like

(22:36):
really lining up with where I was, you know, and
it's like there's definitely something to it. But yeah, dude,
take us there, man.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
So we need to get to the role of science silence,
the role that silence plays. So the mystic walks a
path of silence, not because they are ashamed, but because
they understand that truth cannot be forced. To proselytize is
to impose, and mysticism does not impose, It invites. Silence
is a spiritual discipline. It keeps the sacred sacred. It

(23:05):
ensures that words are spoken only when they fall on
fertile soil. The Bible itself echoes this whenever it says, oh,
this is a good one, dude, especially for this. I
fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were
not ready for it. So truth is given in stages.
Mystics don't throw pearls before swine, not because they despise others,

(23:26):
but because they know wisdom must be digested slowly, step
by step. So essentially to say that, like, look, we're
not gonna give you steak and chicken, and you know,
these these hard to chew on things. Whenever you're kind
of just you know, for a lack of a better term,
a baby. Whenever it comes to the spiritual kind of stuff,
you're just gonna gum that shit rate up. You're not
gonna be able to chew it up, right. And so, yeah,

(23:48):
here's a little bit of milk, here's a little bit
of honey, you know, and and and everybody has to
start that way. And to be honest, if you're not
always that way, I mean, it could really lead you
down the way on path, I think, and what I
really loved about doctor Robert Gilbert in that episode. Y'all
should definitely go check him out. But what I really

(24:08):
loved about that episode was that, you know, I don't
he goes, I don't like whenever people call themselves shamans
and gurus and all this other kind of stuff, because
the shot, like, the person that is involved in mysticism
and spirituality is always learning. So whenever you call yourself
a shaman, you call yourself a guru, that's like, that's

(24:31):
pay me. It's like you already got it all figured out.
And the mystic themselves is always on a journey to
try and really understand everything from a deeper level. So
I like that he said that.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
Actually, yeah, I mean because even when you get to
the tenth step, you know, and in the journey, it
just reduces down to one and it's a beginning to
the next phase, you know, gathering everything that you've learned
and going forward and kind of looking through that lens
and learning more.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
So Yeah, one hundred percent, dude. Yeah, it's a it's
a constant learning journey. So yeah, it's good to kind
of keep silent about it unless you're asked kind of thing.
And to be honest, I kind of learned that, you know,
even even being a conspiracy theorist for these past couple
of years, you know, with the show and everything, Like
anytime I would go anywhere, somebody would always say, all right, look,

(25:22):
you know, just be yourself, but not all the way,
like keep that conspiracy shit to yourself, because I don't
know what they think. I don't know what they feel.
I don't want to ruffle any feathers. And I'd be like,
of course I'm not gonna say it. But if somebody
mentions flat Earth, I know that the floodgates are open,
you know what I'm saying, it was like like, oh baby,
let's go, you know. So yeah. Anyhow, so all right,

(25:44):
this brings us to the initiation and asking three times,
So consider the Freemason Freemasons. To join, you must ask
not once, but three times. This tradition ensures that your
desire is real, not just idle curiosity. Many ancient mystery
schools operated the same way. You had to prove sincerity, patients,
and humility before being admitted. This process is not gate keeping,

(26:07):
it's safeguarding. It is like placing guardrails on a mountain path.
The climb is treacherous, but those who truly wish to
ascend will make the effort. And dude, you want to
talk about certain like initiatory practices, like that's where like
a lot of the the like the Greek like college
houses and stuff like that, there's there's always some kind

(26:29):
of initiation or whatever. And a lot of people like
to refer back to the secret society called Skull and
Bones in Yale. That's where George Bush and John Kerry
and many others that like went and they attended this
secret society. Well, and and that's just to name one
of them. There's thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of
different secret societies all cross all throughout time, you know,

(26:51):
but there was one. It was the Pythagoras had a
numbers cult, right, And I don't even like calling it
a numbers cult because I feel like that's when to
ling it down way too much. Like that's almost like
you know, saying Tesla was just talking about radio frequencies.
It's like that's not all you know more than okay,
And maybe we'll do a Pathagoras episode one of these days.
But in order to even get initiated into the Pythagoras cult,

(27:16):
you had to take a vout of silence for seven years.
You couldn't say a word for seven years, and then
you could be initiated.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Wow, that's actually very fascinating. I mean I'm not saying
anybody should do that, but I'm saying, just imagine the
messages or the understandings you would come to before you
even got in just not saying shit for seven years.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Dude. That's devotion, is what that is. That's like, that
is a thirst for knowledge. That's like, yeah, that's like
Odin plucking out his eye so that he can, you know,
go get the rooms, you know.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Yeah, just imagine the absorption you would get from not
focusing your energy on spitting shit out of your mouth
and just just listening and just observing, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
It literally forces you to think about everything, right, I.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Mean, you have to what choice do you have? You know,
you have to just contemplate.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
At that point, you're literally just always on the inner world, right,
you know what I mean. Like, that's that's the only
place where words, your words are ever said, right, which
is pretty deep actually, but it is so nextly we're
going to go to living without judgment. And by the way,
we always say we are not the teachers. We are
humble students like the rest of y'all. We're always learning

(28:29):
all this kind of stuff. So you know, I definitely
fucked up, and I don't want to say I fucked up.
It was a valuable lesson, but living without judgment, so
occult wisdom teaches one to observe without judgment. Mystics don't
waste energy condemning others' beliefs. They recognize that each soul
is on a journey, each at its own stage of awakening.

(28:50):
A Christian, a Buddhist, an atheist. They're all working or
they're all walking paths that may one day converge at
some truth or at the same truth. This is what
occultists often remained silent, not because they are hiding, but
because they are respecting. They respect the timing of each
person's awakening. H hmm, that's pretty solid. Interesting.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Yeah, that makes podcasting somewhat difficult, you know, I know,
it's like when you when you start to understand those things,
it's like, you know, there was this one podcast that
I used to listen to, and these this one dude
was like super spiritual man, like he had some shit
figured out, and it really actually really helped me through
a through a hard time before I before I really

(29:32):
got into a lot of this, and all of a sudden,
that podcast just went away, and it was like, oh,
you know what I mean, like he got to a
different level almost maybe I don't know, yeah, but it
makes sense, you know if you are too, you know,
in the way of the mystic, you know, kind of
just observing and listening and just kind of being present,
you know, and then you got to have an opinion

(29:53):
about everything all of a sudden, you know, I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Know, yeah, biting my tongue is not ever something that
I've ever been good, thus why I talk for a living.
But it's like, you know, I got to start being
a little bit better at that and just respecting others beliefs.
If somebody asked me, I'll say it, but you know,
I'm not going to insert it whenever it's not wanted.
So that was kind of a lesson I learned him there.

(30:16):
So all right, So why the occult still matters? The
occult is relevant relevant today because humanity is still learning
how to seek truth inwardly rather than outwardly. The Occult
reminds us that wisdom is not always written on billboards.
It's hidden, waiting to be discovered, and those who seek
with sincerity will always find. In this way, the occult

(30:38):
is not about exclusion. It's about readiness. As Jesus said,
ask and it shall be given, Seek and ye shall find.
Knock and it shall be opened. Dude, you can't tell
me Jesus wasn't some kind of like initiated ascended one,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Yeah, I mean, look what I mean. He was speaking
his mind and speaking his truth, you know, so.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
I mean, And to be honest, I don't even care
if he was real or not, just like I don't
care if most of these people are real or not.
What does the story say, you know? And what can
you garner from it? So? So all right, So let
us reframe the occult not as a dark, secretive club,
but a sacred garden, a place where truths grow quietly
until the secret is ready to enter. The Occult is

(31:22):
hidden not to keep you out, but to ensure that
you walk through the gate with reverence, not mockery. That's
a good one. There are so there's now we're going
to get over to the Rosicrucians. But I kind of
just wanted to mention that first. And there's a reason
why all these secret societies, if you ever look at him,
they don't even got windows on the buildings. Bro, Like

(31:45):
yeah they they they're just like, look, you know, we
know what the judgment is going to be. If we
talk about these things or teach about these things openly,
somebody's going to be coming with pitchforks and flames and
they're gonna really think that we are communicating with El
Chaitan himself. Of course he's the go to you know, yeah, yeah,

(32:08):
everything's demonic. So sorry, Uh so now we're going to
go to let's learn a little bit about the Rosicrucians themselves.
There is actually a really good website and you can
find it actually at Rosicrucion dot org of what I found.
And but before we do get into that, I do

(32:28):
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(33:34):
Rosicrucion dot org. I decided why not just hear it
from the horse's mouth, you know. So this is actually
called the uh so this is they're they're called the
A M O r C. And that stands for the
Ancient Mystical Order of the Rosie Crucius or or the

(33:55):
of the Rosy Cross. So the Ancient Mystical Order of
the Rose Cross. Okay, that's what AMO RC stands for.
And it's interesting because you would see that cross and
you'd be like, oh, is this like a like a
Christian mysticism kind of thing? And that's, to be honest,
that's kind of what I always thought it was. And
because you see the cross on there, and you know,

(34:17):
it almost looks kind of ank like up here too,
and you're like, well, what's going on with this symbol?
But so the Ancient Mystical Order Rosie Crucius is the
Latin form of the organization's name, which literally translates to
the Ancient Mystical Order of the rose Cross. There is
no religious connotation associated with this symbol. The rose cross
symbol predates Christianity, according to them, even though it wasn't

(34:41):
really you know, talked about and out in the open
until I think the sixteen hundreds Over in England or
somewhere over there. So you know, I mean, if it's
a secret society, I can understand why. So the cross symbolic.
Listen to this, So the cross symbolically represents the human
bo and the rose represents the individual's unfolding consciousness.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Holy fuck, this is exactly what I was just talking about,
the individual journey, dude. Yes, yeah, things start to just
open up when you start paying attention to it.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
I mean, look, we all got that bud inside of us,
you know, Mmmm, that unfold it says together, the rose
and cross represent the experiences and challenges of a thoughtful
life well lived. Thus, by our name and symbol, we
represent the ancient fraternity of Rosicrucians, perpetuating the true traditions
of Rosicrucion movements from centuries past to the present day.

(35:38):
So the history of the Rosicrucian Order am RC may
be divided into two general classifications, traditional and chronological. The
traditional history consists of mystical allegories and fascinating legends that
have been passed down for centuries by word of mouth.
The Rosiccian Order chronological accounts are based on the specific
dates and verifiable facts, so then again, it's into the roots,

(36:01):
into the ancient world, which is pretty fascinating because they're
going all the way back to the Pyramids of Giza. Right.
Oh shit, Okay, so at least according to this brotherhood here.
And I think whenever they say brotherhood is just like
a you know, fraternities, you know sorority, that it doesn't
I don't think it necessarily means all dudes, because I
believe that like one of the hate, one of the

(36:24):
lead people in charge as a woman, So it's like
it doesn't have to be an all boys club. So
the Rosicrucian movement, of which the Rosicrician Order AMRC is
the most prominent modern representative, has its roots in the
mystery traditions, philosophy, and myths of ancient Egypt, dating back
to approximately fifteen hundred BC. In antiquity or fifteen hundred BC,

(36:49):
and then in antiquity, the word mystery referred to a
special nosis, a secret wisdom. Thousands of years ago in
ancient Egypt, select bodies or schools were formed to explore
the mysteries of life and learn the secrets of the
hidden of this hidden wisdom. Only sincere students displaying a
desire for knowledge and meeting certain tests were considered worthy

(37:10):
of being inducted into these mysteries. Over the course of
these centuries, these mystery schools added an initiatory dimension to
the knowledge that they transmitted. It is further traditionally related
that the order's first member students met in secluded chambers
in magnificent old temples, where as candidates they were initiated
into the great mysteries. And see, I think.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
That there's something to that, almost on a placebo level,
you know. I've heard people say that after they were
baptized it was like they felt some sort of supernatural
ability almost, you know, almost like they could they can
see through people, or they could see, you know, things
that they weren't able to see before. And so I
wonder if just the whole process of being able to

(37:57):
be eligible, you know, to be anated and then crossing
that line was is almost like at a placebo level,
giving you some sort of almost acceptance or permission from yourself,
you know, to be able to open up and see more.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, I'm sure that there's definitely some of that going on,
like without a shadow of a doubt. I mean, people
have paradolia all the time, and it doesn't take away
from whatever experience they're having internally. You know, some people
will see faces on the moon or rock formations on
the moon or whatever, and they're like, aliens put that there,
and so in their mind literally it's crystallizing. The thought

(38:37):
that aliens actually put it there doesn't necessarily mean that
aliens did. It's just that like, if they did, this
is the feeling that you're like manifesting, you know.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
And just opens up that experience for yourself to the
possibility of that yes.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yes, so to go on, it says. Their mystical studies
then assumed a more closed character and were held exclude
in temples which have been built for that purpose. Rosicrucian
traditions relate to relates that the Great Pyramids of Giza
were most sacred in the eyes of the initiates. Contrary
to what historians affirm. Our tradition relates that the Giza

(39:14):
Pyramids were not built to be tombs of pharaohs, but
were actually places of study and mystical initiation.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
And it's important to just the shape, you know, if
you look at those structures, it's almost like you know,
obviously at the bottom, it's at the base it's wider,
and it gets more narrow as it goes up, you know.
So it's almost like, when I look at that in
these terms, I feel like it would be almost like
your attention or your your ability, you know, being being

(39:43):
focused into one point upwardly.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
You know, I don't, yes, yes, no, I think you're
absolutely right, because it's almost like if you're to look
at it from like a neoplatonic idea that maybe at
the top of that pyramid stands the one.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Right, yeah, And then you know, we get to get
into the sacred geometry aspect of that. You know how
they say like, oh, most buildings and houses are all
rectangular and square, and you know how that kind of
keeps you stuck, kind of keeps you stagnant, and then
you look at the pyramid and it's so different.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
On purpose, they actually say that, you know, within sacred geometry,
there's these things called angles of sorrow, which are otherwise
known as ninety degree angles. Right, So it's like that
ninety degree angle will make you feel boxed in, and
if you feel boxed in, it is human nature to
want to to express, like you know, freedom and like

(40:37):
free will and stuff like that, and so just at
a subconscious level, yeah, I believe exactly what you're saying
is like, yeah, these are you know, like if you
ever seen that show called Weeds, Ah, I'm aware of it. Yeah,
it's like the theme song to it is little Boxes
on the hillside. The little boxes feel and I'm not
going to sing the whole thing, but but it's like, yeah,

(40:59):
they are like little boxes of what we live in,
which you know, not gonna lie. That's why I always
love the A frame houses because those things are fucking sweet.
So yeah, So the Mystery or the Giza Pyramids where
places of study and mystical initiation. The Mystery schools, over
centuries of time gradually evolved into great centers of learning,
attracting students from throughout the known world. Pharaoh Thutmost if

(41:23):
I'm saying that correctly, the Third, who ruled Egypt from
fifteen hundred to fourteen forty seven BC, organized the first
Esoteric school of Initiates, founded upon principles and methods similar
to those that are that are perpetrated by the Rosicrucian
Order today am RC. Decades later, Pharaoh Amen Hotep the

(41:44):
fourth was initiated into the Secret school. This most enlightened
Pharaoh histories. First, what they're claiming the history's first monotheist
was so inspired by the mystery teachings that he gave
a completely new direction to Egypt's religion and philosophy. He
established a religion which recognized the Aton the solar disc

(42:06):
as being the symbol of the soul deity, the foundation
of life itself, the symbol of light, truth, and joy,
and changed his name to Acinatin to reflect these new ideas.
And although the earlier religion was later re established, the
mystical idea was put forth in human consciousness, and its
flame never died. Centuries later, Greek philosophers such as Thales

(42:28):
or Tales and Pythagorasts were the Pythagoras. The Roman philosopher
Platinus shout out to Platinus and others journeyed to Egypt
and were initiated into the mystery schools. That's pretty badass,
it says. They then brought their advanced learning and wisdom
to the Western world. Their experiences are the first records

(42:51):
of what eventually grew and blossomed into the Rosicrucian Order.
The name of the order as it is now known,
was to come much later. However, the Rosicrician order always
perpetuated its heritage of ancient symbolism and principles. So pretty
freaking sweet dude. And then it gets into like a
couple of the things that you know, their early beginnings,

(43:12):
and I guess we can read that a little bit,
so it says the early European beginnings for Rosicrucians. So
it was in the time of Charlemagne from seven forty
two to eight fourteen that the French philosopher Are Gnawed
introduced the mystical teachings into France, and from there they
spread to much of Western Europe. Throughout medieval Europe, mystical

(43:33):
mystical knowledge was often necessarily couched in symbolism or disguised
and hidden in the love songs of the trobadors, the
formularies of alchemists, the symbolic system known as the kabbala,
and the rituals of orders of knighthood. So while much
of medieval Europe lay in darkness, the highly advanced Arab

(43:53):
civilization preserved a large body of the mystical teachings through
texts translated directly from the Great Library. Great libraries of
the ancient world, such as Egypt's Alexandria Library. Of course,
yeah man, so it says. Philosophy, medicine, mathematics, and alchemy
were all important subjects preserved in these libraries and later

(44:14):
transmitted to Europe by way of the Arabs. Alchemy the
art of transmutation came into prominence with the Alexandrian Greeks.
It was then introduced to the Arabs, who then transmitted
this art and forerunner of chemistry to Europe. The alchemist
played a tremendous part in the early history of the
Rosa Christian order with or. While many alchemists were interested

(44:37):
in making gold, some were more concerned with the transmutation
of human character. European alchemists and the Knights Templar Jacob
will never admit this, but anyway, the Knights Templar, in
contact with the Arab civilization at the time of the Crusades,
brought much of this wisdom to the West. In Europe,

(44:59):
the transcendent alchemists, mystics, and philosophers sought to transmute the
base elements of human character into the more noble virtues
and to release the wisdom of the divine self within
the individual. Oh yeah, dude, this is why this shit
resonates because it's literally been going on for the past
two thousand years at least. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Well, And the thing that I think about is that,
you know, like almost like the necessity of a of
a of a school of this sort like nowadays, you know,
because back then I can understand, you know, if if
you were to speak of some of this information, you know,
you could be killed or what have you. But I
feel like nowadays, I don't know how necessary it would

(45:43):
be to actually join some some group to gather this information,
especially when the all of the information initially was gathered
by somebody you know, and that person is no better,
no more powerful than you are.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Oh dude, you know that's well. And that's the thing
is that, especially now in today age, you're seeing less
and less people sign up for secret societies, whether it
be Freemasons or the OTO or whatever, because you don't
need to become initiated to search something on the internet anymore, right,
you know.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
I mean that we're in this age of information. Information
is everywhere of all sorts, you know, good information bad information.
But if you're allowing that all of the information to
go through the filter that is you and through the
experiences that you have, then I don't see why some
higher authority needs to show me the way. You know
what I'm saying, especially if the information that I'm coming

(46:35):
across is the exact information that I'm ready for in
this moment.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yes, and that's actually perfect because it goes right into
as the old saying goes, the truth shall make you free. Consequently,
those who sow truth and attempted to expound it to
their fellow humans became objects of persecution by tyrannical rulers
or narrow religious systems. For several centuries, due to the
lack of freedom of thought, the Order had to conceal

(47:02):
itself under various names. However, in all times and places,
the Order never ceased its activities, perpetuating its ideals and
its teachings, participating directly or indirectly in the advancements of
the arts, scientists, and civilization in general, and always emphasizing
the equality of men and women and the true solidarity

(47:23):
of all humanity. So they literally they had to go underground.
They're probably still a lot of them are still very underground.
But the idea was to try and escape persecution, escape judgment.
And you know, it's like they look at these people
as if they're the evil ones because they're in a
secret society. But it's like, you know, if you out

(47:45):
of if you back a dog into a corner, you
can't then say, oh, well that dog's in a corner,
you got to watch out. It's like you're the one
to put them there.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Yeah, no one puts baby in the corner, man, nobody does.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Nobody does somebody put baby in the ros Christian maybe
in the corner though. Yeah. So, as the Renaissance burst
upon Europe with a flash of new interest in the
arts and sciences, a mysterious publication printed and we're going
to get a little bit more into this in the
seventeenth century Germany and called the uh Fama fra turn Fraternadus.

(48:19):
It was heralded. It heralded a renewed interest in Rosicrucian
uh Resicrucianism throughout Europe. The Fama introduces Christian Rosicrutz, who
we're going to talk about a little bit, a mythical
character who was said to have traveled to the centers
of learning in the Near East and who and who
personified the revived interest in esoteric studies and mystical learning.

(48:41):
So as part of this great renewal, the renowned Sir
Francis Bacon, the English philosopher, essayist and statesman, directed the
Rosicrucian Order and its activities in both in England and
on the continent. Which is pretty cool, Sir Francis. So
there's a there's a I got a bunch of history
to it. I don't want to read it all off

(49:02):
of this one website, but I mean, what do you
think about it so far? It's pretty damn cool that,
like people have been trying to attain certain knowledge for
the longest time and trying to escape persecution for as
long as they've been trying to you know, chase after knowledge.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Yeah, no, it's it's very fascinating. And already I'm having
somewhat of a perception shift, you know, as far as
the just the ability to obtain information, you know, it's like,
I don't I don't firmly believe you know that you
would need to go to some secret society to even
get this information nowadays. But then again, as I say
that there's some freemasons listening going. You have no idea

(49:38):
what you're talking about, you know what I mean? Like,
you guys are way off, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
I mean, I'm sure. Yeah, there's always and I'm happy.
I'm happy that there's so much more to learn. I'm
happy that there's so much to learn that literally we
could read about this stuff every day for the rest
of our lives and still probably not even touch.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Any more likely not know it. Yeah for sure, dude.
It gives you something to look forward to.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
You Hell yeah, dude. So now we're going to Oh wait,
there's one more article that I did want to read.
Actually it was the Seven Yeah, the seven core beliefs
of mystical Rosicrucians explained. So this was by realitypathing dot Com.

(50:19):
It says the Rosicucion movement, which emerged in Europe in
the early seventeenth century, has long captivated the minds and
hearts of those seeking deeper spiritual insight. Characterized by a
rich blend of mysticism, philosophy, and esoteric knowledge, the beliefs
of the Rosicrucians have inspired countless individuals across generations. The
core tenants of this mystical tradition not only resonate with

(50:41):
its historical context, but also offer profound insights into personal
and spiritual development. This article delves into the seven core
beliefs that defined mystical Rosicrucianism. Are you ready, sir, I'm ready, dude,
Give it to me all right. Number one is the
pursuit of knowledge. Of course, at the top of the board.

(51:02):
Of course, at the heart of Rosicrucian teachings lies an
insatiable thirst for knowledge. Mystical Rosicrutions believe that understanding the
universe and our place within it is paramount to spiritual growth.
This quest for knowledge is not limited to academic or
scientific pursuits. Rather, it encompasses all forms of wisdom, spiritual, moral,
and philosophical. Rosicrucian's advocate or advocate for a holistic understanding

(51:27):
of existence, where knowledge serves as a bridge connecting the
material and spiritual realms. The belief is that through study,
whether it be through sacred texts, natural observation, or experiential learning,
individuals can come to understand the divine truths that govern life.
This pursuit often aligns with a broader mission to elevate
humanity's collective consciousness and to contribute to the betterment of society.

(51:52):
M that's great. So these people who wanted to elevate
humanity's collective consciousness had to go into hiding to corner.
It's crazy. That's backwards and behalving that man. At number
two on the list is universal brotherhood a foundational principle
and rose AGUTIONI thought is the concept of universal brotherhood.

(52:13):
This belief emphasizes the interconnectedness of all people and promotes
unity beyond cultural, racial, and religious differences. Mystical resigreutionis assert
that every individual possesses inherent value and shares a common
divine essence. That's that no mistake, baby, right there, everybody,
not just the boys, all right, yeah, yeah, exactly. Don't

(52:34):
get it twisted right right, And that's the thing. That's
just how they used to talk back then. It's like people,
you know, people would always say, well, this is for man.
It's like man because man and woman you both have
man inside of it. So it's like a brotherhood is
not necessarily meant to be seen as like a boy's thing,
but anyway, so this perspective encourages practitioners to cultivate compassion

(52:58):
and empathy towards you towards others. It also fosters an
environment where collaborative efforts for humanitarian causes flourish. The idea
is that by recognizing our shared humanity, we can work
together to create a more harmonious world. In this way,
universal brotherhood is not just a lofty ideal, but a
guiding principle influencing actions towards social, social justice and collective

(53:20):
well being. So they have the universal brotherhood sticking up
for everybody, even the little guy, right, you know.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
Yeah, instead of highlighting the things that everyone disagrees on,
let's just highlight the similarities that we share as human beings.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yeah. They're very anti division for sure. Yeap. Then you have, oh,
this is a good one. The transcendence of materialism. This
is a big one, dude. Yeah, so absolutely. Mystical rosicrusions
hold that true fulfillment comes from transcending materialism. While acknowledging
the necessity of basic physical needs, they assert that an

(53:57):
over emphasis on material possessions leads to spiritual emptiness. Dude,
tell me you haven't met at emptiness. Tell me you
haven't met a lot of people who are just they
only care about materialism and showing off their things and
showing off their money. Look at this new car I got,
Look at this new pool I got, Like, you know
what I mean, it's always like it's like a contest

(54:18):
of materialistic ideas. And this is basically saying, look, you
came in with nothing, You're going out with nothing. You
can't bring anything whenever you go. It's like, you know,
it's it's weird. It's like, you know, it's cool to
have like a Pokemon card collection, but you ain't taking
that either, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Right, Yeah, for sure, dude, that's definitely something that you experience,
you know, on this journey.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yes, so, it says. Instead, they encourage individuals to focus
on cultivating inner wealth qualities such as wisdom, love, and understanding.
This belief is echoed in many mystical traditions, where detachment
from material concerns is seen as essential for spiritual enlightenment.
By prioritizing spiritual pursuit over material gains, practitioners can align

(55:02):
themselves more closely with the higher selves and divine purpose.
This shift and focus allows one to experience a deeper
connection to the universe and a greater sense of peace.
I'm telling you that.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
You know, when you buy a new car, right, and
it's exciting, right, you get this car that maybe you've
been wanting it for years, you know, and you finally
get it, that excitement, like you've said even before in
the past, that excitement goes away really quickly.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
But if you've ever.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Experienced this, and I'm not even saying that I experience
it very often, I mean I've probably experienced it a
few times at least to this level where you're out
and about and you see strangers and you just have
this like urge of like extra compassion and almost understanding,
even though you don't know that person. You know, it's

(55:48):
just this uplifting kind of peaceful feeling. And I don't know,
nothing compares to that, you know, just in a general
sense of just being out, not necessarily with a goal
in mind.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Yeah, it's just compassion for everybody that's on their own
path and remembering that, you know, we didn't start out
where we are. We started out where everybody else starts
out at, which is coming right out the womb, you know. Yeah,
so nextly we go to the inner mystery. So Rescrutionism
places a significant importance on the concept of the inner mystery,

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which refers to an individual's quest for self discovery and
understanding their own spiritual nature. Mystical resocutions believe that each
person carries within them latent potential waiting to be awakened
through introspection and personal revelation. The journey inward is often
characterized by meditation, contemplation, and various esoteric practices designed to

(56:42):
unveil deeper truths about oneself and existence itself. Dude, if
that's not what we're trying to always talk about, you
know what I mean exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
I mean, because you can be in the illusion you
know that you aren't capable, or you aren't worthy, or
you know, aim your thing. Man, But once you start
doing something and then you continuously just do that thing,
and then it builds and becomes something that you never
thought was possible.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
You know.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
That's that tapped potential that was always there. It wasn't
something that was just given to you.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
It was there.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
You just had to allow it to express itself.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Exactly. Dude. Yeah, you're you're definitely on it right there.
We all have all that in us, like yeah. I
mean there's a funny like I think it was like
a progressive commercial or something like that, and it's Peyton Manning.
He's talking up on a on a stage and he's
like giving a you know, like a like a good talk,
like a pep talk to everybody, right, and he's, uh,

(57:40):
he's not. He goes, I'm not just Peyton Manning. I'm
Motivating Manning. And it's just I love those commercials are
so funny. But Peyton Manning. He's up there and one
person's like, I want to be this, and he goes,
you can do it. Another person's like I want to
be that, you can do it, and the other guy goes,
it's like this scrawny little five foot eight dude right
like has no like sporting bones in his entire body,

(58:02):
and he goes, whenever I grow up, I want to
be a quarterback. And Haydon's like, well, I mean that's
kind of a niche market, but you know what, I
believe in you. It's just the guy's like I got
it act like throat. It's hilarious, but basically to say that,
like everybody has that one thing, and you know, I

(58:25):
mean if it's physical, like Obviously, I'm not gonna be
able to dunkle basketball. I can't do that. That's not
something maybe I could learn. But you know, a lot
of that is physical, and the idea is to get
out of the physical. This is this is more personal
revelation and introspection and awakening from within. So anyway, absolutely so,

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engaging with this journey UH, and engaging with this inners
mystery enables practitioners to connect with their higher self, a design,
divine aspect that guides them towards fulfilling their life purpose. Additionally,
this belief underscores the idea that every every one has
unique gifts and contributions to make to the world. By
exploring one's inner landscape, UH, individuals can uncover their true

(59:07):
calling and embrace their role in the greater cosmic drama.
M that's great. UH. Nextly, and a lot of this
is I'm not gonna lie, dude. If you really look
into rosicrutionism, a lot of it is based on hermeticism.
So a lot of these things that we're gonna be
talking about today, YEP, was echoed with all the different
hermetic you know, episodes that we've done. That's why it's

(59:30):
resonating so hard hard, yeah you So. Nextly you have
the spiritual alchemy. The practice of spiritual alchemy is another
cornerstone of mystical roscution group beliefs. Much like traditional alchemy
seeks to transform base metals into gold, spiritual alchemy aims
at transforming the individual's consciousness from ignorance to enlightenment. It's

(59:52):
a good one. Give me some of that. Yeah. Uh.
This transformative process involves several stages. So you have calcination
which is breaking down ego, dissolution which is letting go
of attachments, separation which is recognizing your true self, conjunction
which is integrating insights, fermentation which is spiritual rebirth, which
is an interesting term for that. It is distillation which

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is purifying thoughts, and coagulation, which is manifesting one's higher self.
Is to coagulate.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Mmm, okay that HEMI sync if you will?

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Yeah, dude, that left and that right, baby. So each
stage represents a significant aspect of personal growth and inner transformation.
Through spiritual alchemy, practitioners learn how to transmute negative experiences
into opportunities for growth, fostering resilience and deeper understanding. Along
their journey. This belief in transmutation underscores the potential within

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each individual to evolve spiritually through self work and dedication.
Of course, nobody's going to do it for you, you know. Nope,
So then we have two more of these. But then
you have the laws of course, or the law of correspondences.
So another critical belief held by mystical resocritions is encapsulated
in the hermetic axiom as above, so below, as within,

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so without. This principle reflects their understanding of the law
of correspondences, the idea that there are parallels between different
planes of existence physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. That these
are literally the different planes of existence, all right. So
most people think that there's only one plan it's the
physical plane. Well there's three more maybe, of course, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Rosicutionians teach that understanding these correspondences enhance our awareness of
how our inner states affect our outer reality and vice versa.
By recognizing these connections, practitioners can better navigate life's challenges
while cultivating a sense of harmony between their inner world
and external circumstances. This belief encourages mindfulness. Individuals are urged

(01:01:57):
to reflect on how their thoughts, emotions, believe, and actions
influence their lives. By consciously aligning one's interstate with desired
outcomes through intention setting or visualization, resicrutions empower individuals to
become active participants in shaping their own destinies. M.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Dude, that's some real shit right there. Man, Why do
you get rid of these people?

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
I mean, I can tell you why they get rid
of these people? You know that might that might make
people mad though, well, because it's going to do it's
going to free people up. Yeah, can't control you can't
control a free person.

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
M M.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
It's impossible. So finally, the last one is the quest
for spiritual enlightenment. That's it so central stuff. That's the
stuff right there, so central to mystical Resocrutionism is the
ultimate goal. Achieving spiritual enlightenment or illumination. This aspiration transcends

(01:02:52):
mere intellectual understanding. It encompasses profound, experiential insights into the
nature of reality. Resicutions believe that enlightenment facilitates communion with
divine consciousness, a realization that brings forth compassion, love, wisdom,
and clarity. Achieving this state requires dedication to personal growth,
personal growth practices such as meditation, contemplation on sacred text

(01:03:16):
rituals aimed at raising consciousness, engaging in ethical living aligned
with universal principles, and nurturing authentic relationships with oneself and others.
The commitment to lifelong learning and various dimensions scientific inquiry,
combined with esoteric knowledge, serves as a foundational pathway for
attaining spiritual enlightenment Through this ongoing quest for understanding both

(01:03:39):
oneself and the cosmos at large, while fostering unity among
humanity lies the heart of mystical Rosicrucian practice.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
Damn, dude, I feel like that's the journey we're already on, dude,
to be honest with you, Yeah, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
I like to think so. Anyway, it's pretty badass some things.
DC said. Would love to stay and learn more, but
I got work A five. Good night everyone, all right, DC,
see you, budd White Boy Wizard said, I have you
and me baby girl. Oh it feels good. Baby has

(01:04:19):
got some good ones, dude, I know. So the now
we're going to get into the enigma of the Rosicrucians.
Some of it is going to talk about what we've
already talked about. But it's going to be a little
bit more in depth though. So. The Rosicrucians are one
of the most mysterious orders in Western esotericism. Their sudden

(01:04:39):
appearance in Europe during the sixteen hundreds with a series
of anonymous manifestos sparked a frenzy of speculation. Were they
a secret brotherhood guiding humanity from the shadows, a hoax
designed to test who was ready for wisdom, or a
symbol of a deeper truth that hidden sages have always existed,
protecting knowledge until the world was prepared. Haired.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
Mmm, I think we're getting closer, man, I really do.
I feel like there is somewhat of a shift happening,
like on the conscious level.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Yeah, that's exactly what I want to be when I
grow up, right, you know? Yeah, Which is funny because
you know, it's whenever I was younger, I used to
always like, you know, people would always ask you, like
what you want to be when you grow up? And
and of course everybody has their like kind of out
of reach ideas as a kid or whatever. And then

(01:05:32):
the older you get that that like what you want
to be starts to transform and shift into something that's
a little bit more attainable, I think. So I always
wanted to be I always wanted to play in the NFL.
That was like my goal until I was like thirty,
you know, and I should have probably let it go
whenever I was like twenty three, to be honest with you,
but but I just love playing. But anyway, but then

(01:05:55):
it kind of shifted after a little while, and you know,
people would ask like, well, what do you want to be,
Like what do you want to do? Because I didn't
really It took me a little while to get my
life together and to be honest, what is even your
life together anyway, you know, right. But yeah, before I
kind of you know, started podcasting and stuff, I used
to just say, like, dude, I just aspire to be

(01:06:16):
that old man on the porch that somebody can go
up to and just get all the wisdom that they
could ever even hold in a cup, you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
Know, just in puffing on like a big piece pipe
or something for no reason at all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Yeah. And I feel like that archetype has existed a
lot in my life over the years, you know, whether
it be our great grandfather or just your regular grandfather.
I don't think it was great, right, Yeah, And it
just plenty of other people like that. I just always
used to think, Man, I hope that whenever I get old,
people will just like sit in reverence to the stories

(01:06:48):
that I'll tell one day, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
Yeah, And I think that that's just something that happens naturally,
especially you know, if you try to align with I'm
not necessarily saying you know, the Rosa Crucians or whatever,
you know, but just being the best person you can be.
You know, in your experience of life, you're going to
have those stories. You're going to have the things that

(01:07:10):
you failed at or you know, you made a mistake,
and so you can you know, enlighten people of those
things and so to help them from maybe not making
those mistakes. And so I think it's just a natural
part of life. Eventually you will be that dude.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Yeah, just trying to instill wisdom for those who are
seeking it, you know, that's it. That's it. That's like
the coolest thing you can be in my eyes anyway.
Mm hmm. So now we get to, Yeah, were they
protecting knowledge until the world was prepared? So what makes
the Rosa Christians so compelling is that they embody the
essence of the occult itself knowledge hidden not because it

(01:07:47):
is selfish, but because the masses weren't ready. They weren't
inventing something new. They were reviving hermetic wisdom, alchemy, and
kabalistic truths that had been circulating in hidden streams since antiquity.
They're language was often a mask to protect them from
persecution and a europe don't dominated by church and crown.

(01:08:07):
So a lot of people will say that it's actually
Christian mysticism. That's not entirely true. Yes, they they probably,
you know, we're looking for a little bit of the
gnostic kind of deeper meanings to the Bible and whatnot.
But it was it was kind of like a front
like they had to do that, kind of kind of
like a go along to go along to get along
kind of deal.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
Right, a mass that needed to be worn for the time.
You know, can you imagine being in a time like that, dude,
where you really can't speak your your opinions, you know, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Well, they had already seen what had happened to the witches,
you know, right, they were like that, Hey, we're Christian too,
you know, right, You're not going to say we're demonic.
Hell with that and tie a millstone to my ankle
and see if I drown, and if I don't, then
I'm a witch. And it's like if I do, then well,
oh well, you know what a.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
Terrible test, you know. That was just yeah anyway, yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
So now we get to the myth of Christian rosen Cruts. So,
and I could be saying that wrong, but rosen Cruts, yeah,
I think that's right. So at the heart of the
Rosa Christian legend is the mysterious figure of Christian rosen Cruts,
which literally stands for Rosy Cross. According to the Fama Fradernatis,

(01:09:26):
Rosenkrutz was born in the and that's the documentation that
popped up over in the over in Europe that was
like it wasn't necessarily authored by anybody, and nobody really
know where it came from.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
And that was the the Three Initiates or something.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Well, so I mean that's that was the Kabalian. Yeah right,
but this is I mean very similar, you know, but
this came out before the Kabalian, because I think the
Kabalian came out like late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundred
something like that, all right, but very related, very related,
it's just enough way of telling the same story, right. So, yeah,

(01:10:04):
he was born in the fourteenth century, he traveled up,
according to the myth, traveled extensively to the East Arabia, Egypt,
and Morocco, and returned to Europe carrying profound wisdom. Upon
his death, his tomb was hidden, only to be rediscovered
over a century later, filled with alchemical texts, mystical symbols,

(01:10:24):
and a perfectly preserved body. So this is the thing,
is like, people aren't sure whether to take this story
literal or not, but it doesn't matter, right, you know.
And that's kind of like what we've what we've grown
to understand, is like it really doesn't matter if it
happened or not. M h. It's like, you know, if
your if your dad goes out fishing one day and says,
I caught a bass that was this fucking big. I mean,

(01:10:49):
you're gonna be able to prove if I was literal
or fictional or whatever. You're just gonna take him at
his word, you know. Yeah. So whether or not Rosenkrutz
was real is irrelevant. It says he serves as an archetype,
the wandering initiate who seeks truth across cultures, returns with
illumination and plants seeds for a hidden brotherhood to carry forward.

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His story echoes the archetypal hero's journey, similar to Hermes, Trismagistus, Pythagoras,
and even the Buddha. By placing Rosencruse at the center,
the Rosicrucians gave Europe a mythic figure of initiation, someone
who embodied the secret, the secret path of transformation. The
tomb itself is symbolic. The chamber filled with light represents

(01:11:32):
the inner temple of the initiates heart, where truth is
preserved until rediscovered. In many ways, Christian rosa Crutz is
less a man and more a map, guiding seekers into
their own hidden chambers of wisdom. And by the way,
if you're just trying to use Christianity as like a cover,

(01:11:52):
you're gonna name your top figure Christian. You know what
I'm saying, oh man, So now we get to the manifestos,
the books that were kind of circulating in that time.
So between sixteen fourteen and sixteen seventeen, three texts appeared
in Germany. The Fama fradanadis, the Confessio Fradinatis and the

(01:12:15):
chemical wedding of Christian Rosicrutz, which is awesome. Okay, we're
gonna dived a little deeper in these, but these manifestos
proclaimed the existence of a secret brotherhood that sought to
reform the whole world through wisdom, science, and spirituality. Europe
at this time was in upheaval between the Reformation, the

(01:12:35):
Thirty Years War, and the dawn of modern science. The
manifestos promised something extraordinary, a new golden age led by
the hidden sages who could unite religion, science, and philosophy.
They want to bring them all together. That's what needs
to happen. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
You know, like you've said before, you know, whether you
like the narrative or whether you you know, whatever it is.
It's like people that have their face have their faith
and they're never gonna let go of that. And so
I don't think the way forward is to you know,
judge one way or the other. You know, It's like,
how do we make this work where everybody can just

(01:13:11):
coexist and quit judging others for not believing what you
believe in. That's that's that's it, you know what I mean,
whether the narrative of your faith is is literal or
or not. It's like it it doesn't matter to the
individual you are. You are allowed to have your faith
and and that's fine and live the best way that
you can through that lens, you know, but but don't

(01:13:33):
make others feel bad about themselves because they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Also, you know, oh dude, even Jesus told the Jews
to keep keep practicing their practices. He was like, look,
I mean just because like I'm presenting the new way
and I'm showing that like this is the the the
coming and the new the new. Fuck what is the term? Anyway,
he was he was meant to be, uh, something that

(01:13:59):
was supposed to override the Torah and the Old Testament
and stuff like that. Right, Okay, But even then he
was like, look, you ain't got to stop practicing your
your Jewish ways, Like you can still have your rituals.
You can still you know, talk to God and you
know whatever, right, like keep all your Sabbaths and all
that kind of stuff. So I mean maybe you could

(01:14:21):
even say that that's what he was trying to do too, right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
Well, i mean, look look what happened to him. You
know he's saying, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Of course, then Paul has to go and bastardize it.
But that's another story. So, uh yeah, where were we? Okay,
so they wanted to uh so they claimed the Brotherhood's
members lived anonymously, blending in with society while secretly guiding humanity.
M completely anonymous. They were just like, yeah, you know,

(01:14:50):
I'm gonna join this brotherhood, I'm going to join this religion,
and maybe I'll just like leave some some breadcrumbs in
there and just make them think a little bit. Yeah
that's really interesting, but like what about this part, you know,
and maybe that's how you start to really mend everything together,
right Yep, not necessarily an infiltration, but maybe that's just

(01:15:10):
the only way that you can do it without, you know,
kind of saying, hey look at me, I'm a road
Yeah exactly. So the reaction, unfortunately, was explosive. Some believe
that the Rosicrusions truly existed, others denounced them as heretics,
and still others saw them as allegory pamphlets. Defenses, attacks,

(01:15:31):
and debates spread across Europe. What mattered most wasn't whether
the rosicruc whether the rose Acresions were real. It was
that the idea of a hidden order of wise initiates, electrified,
the imagination of an entire continent, I bet, dude, Yeah, dude.
And you know what's funny is is that even the Jews,

(01:15:52):
So we have what Jacob always calls the resonant Jew
that shows up on all the live shows for the Core. Yeah,
uh yeah. So he comes on and he says, yeah,
so like the Torah, which is like, you know, basically
one of their Bibles, or like the thing that they're
supposed to just believe in, you know whatever. Yeah, he goes,
We're not supposed to question it, like that's supposed to

(01:16:13):
be like, that's what happened. Move on, right, you know,
and yeah, of course you can't have people questioning anything,
which I would dude to me, I'm like, that has
to be one of the biggest red flags of all time. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Yeah, I mean, because as soon as you start to
question things, it's like things like you tried to do
and things start to unravel, you know what I mean,
And that that just causes me him, you know, especially
when you're when you're talking about the minds of so
many people that you know, they they base their entire
reality and moral system and everything else around this thing.
You know, and so I imagine that would be a

(01:16:50):
very touchy thing, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Oh yeah, dude, Yeah, because people are they're attached to
it like emotionally, like because does you think about it
like it is? It is really something that's most most
people that are that are religious. It's taught to them
at a very malleable early age, and there they have
feelings of attachment to it, whether it's you know, nursery

(01:17:14):
songs or prayer over dinner or you know, certain bedtime
prayers now I lay me down the sleep, you know
that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
Yeah, Like I actually remember that, Like that's the only
thing out of religion that I remember was my dad
and he wasn't even a very religious person, but because
of his upbringing and his understanding and what he was taught,
you know, he would he would say that that bedtime
prayer to me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
My mom would do that too, And we weren't religious
at all. It was we weren't religious at all.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
And so it's even for families that weren't very religious,
it still kind of seeped in and became just part
of the reality, you know. And so I find that
very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Yeah, and you never questioned it either. You're like, no,
I pray the Lord my soul to keep. What do
you mean?

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
What are you going with that?

Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
Well, I mean your dad's telling you, you know, and
think about how you looked at your dad, you know,
especially when you're that young, you know, you're in first
second grade.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
It's like your dad could do no wrong. It was
your hero.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
I mean, it was the thing you aspired to to.
You wanted to be at least as good as your dad,
you know, And so he's telling you this, it's like
you just take it on.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
This is just this is it, you know what I mean?
And so I don't know, it's very strange. And so
take that further.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
You know, not only are you getting the bedtime prayer
that that's all we really got, you know, and and
of course other kids talking about like our heaven or
hell like of course we we understood or we we've
heard of these places.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
You know, God, Jesus, angels, the basic exactly. But take
it further.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
You're also going to church, and you're also making friends
at Sunday school, and you're talking to these friends after
school and not even just at church, and so all
of a sudden, now it's just everything around you is
layered with a little bit of that, you know, And
so I can imagine, you know, if because we weren't
brought up that way and so, but but I can't

(01:19:07):
imagine if that was how I was brought up. And
then all of a sudden, you're getting information that that
really kind of contradicts everything about that. It's like talk about,
you know, an awakening and not even not even asking
for it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:22):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
It's like when an awakening showed up at my doorstep.
You know, it was almost like I was already going
through some shit within my own mind and was really
trying to just i don't know, just spiraling out of
control almost, and so then the information kind of started
to show up because my awareness was pointing at it.

(01:19:45):
And then I'm like, oh, this makes me feel better.
I understand this. And so then you start to just
follow the breadcrumbs, you know what I'm saying. But if
somebody is vibing and just doing really good, you know,
and then their Lord is their saviors. So they're just
at peace because they know, no matter what, as long
as I have the Lord as my savior, I'm I'm

(01:20:05):
really good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
I'm fine.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
You know, and then someone comes and tells you that
their story is is bullshit, and it's like, well, I
can see that, I can, I can empathize.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Yeah, And that's and that's where I messed up, because
not only did I say that it was a mythological story,
but literally within the title, I said that it was
fake and gay. So not a good idea to be fair.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
You know, Like, there are people, and I believe you've
said this before, there are people that really think that
the story the the you know, Zeus and you know,
all of those characters are real like to them, that
story is their Christianity, you know. But they're totally fine
with saying, oh, that's myth when you ask them, well,
have you looked into Zeus? Have you looked into Odin

(01:20:50):
and all of these legends? Because that was written down somewhere,
I'm sure you know, So did you read that book?
Well obviously that's a myth, right, you know, but okay,
but it's not you know what I'm saying. And then
it's like all right, then you have to just kind
of leave it there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Yeah, So so what like, what was the story that
like Odin fucked low key and created a reindeer or
something crazy like that, and it's like, I mean that
that happened, dude, don't don't. Don't make fun. But that's
how silly it is, though, you know, right, white boy wizard,
you had your your hand up there, sir, what are
your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (01:21:24):
I was just gonna see I got fucking shiny object syndrome,
and you said zeus and I was like, oh, I
wonder if they watched the serious It was just some
Netflix with like Jeff Goldblin and fus have you seen that? No?

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
I started to watch it. Yeah, watch It's okay.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
Still, dude, symbolism and all the mythology, for sure, it's
for sure watching it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
Sorry, ye, no, no, that's fine dude, now we I
just watched Clash of the Titans, like fairly recently, and
and Wrath of the Titans, and it gives you that
perspective of the gods, you know, and you know, these
gods are kind of jealous because the people aren't really
like putting their faith in them anymore. So it was
almost like they had to do something to show them,

(01:22:10):
you know, who's boss and shit like that, and so yeah,
I definitely want to check that out.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Dude. Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
And Jonathan, you definitely got to watch it, dude, I'm
telling you at least watch those and then get to
the Gods of Egypt because that one, I know that
you're gonna just I know you're gonna love it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
I'll check it out for sure. They're fun flicks. I
mean I spent most of the day just watching this
documentary with that doctor that I had mentioned earlier, and
I was like, because that was like two and a
half hours long, and you know, right, I can't sit
and sit like still for two and a half hours.
So I'd be like, watch fifteen minutes and then you know,
go make a sandwich and then watch fifteen minutes and
then you know whatever, yeah the dog no whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
But I mean like they're not like super in depth historical,
like you know what I mean, you watch that movie
just to have some fun with it. They're They're just fun, right,
I'll check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
So all right, let's get back to it. Alchemy and
the rosicrucion path, so to the rosa acrusions, alchemy was
not just chemistry. It was the great metaphor of transmutation,
turning lead into gold was a symbolic or was a
symbol for refining the human soul. The base metal was ignorance,

(01:23:21):
ego and material attachment. The gold was enlightenment, compassion, and
divine illumination. And actually, I do want to say this too,
which is very interesting, just going back to the doctor guy. Damn,
I can't remember what his name was now, but anyway,
going back to him, dude, in that show, he goes, literally,

(01:23:43):
the frequency and vibration of gold is literally supposed to
be the material manifestation of the sun, and the same
thing for silver, it is supposed to be vibrationally the
material manifestation of the moon, which and people like.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
The slowest vibration of that right in or something like.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
That, and that's what that's And he's not the first
person to say that, but he's like, no, it's not
just symbolically like literally, and I was like, interesting, say less,
all right, let's go interesting so to too. All right,
So the base metal was anger, ignorance, ego, and material attachment.
The gold was enlightenment, compassion, and divine illumination. So their

(01:24:30):
teachings emphasized that the true philosopher's stone was not a
physical object but a spiritual state. The seeker became the alchemists,
their life, the laboratory, and their soul the matter under transformation.
The process of alchemy calcination, dissolution, and coagulation, which we
kind of talked about earlier, mapped onto their psychological and

(01:24:51):
spiritual processes. By framing alchemy in this way, the Rosicrucians
were reviving ancient hermetic wisdom while protecting themselves to the Church.
In state, alchemy was French science, not heresy, but beneath
the symbols, the Rosicrusians encoded an entire spiritual path, one
that encourage seekers to purify themselves, not merely metals.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
And you know, it's funny because you know, up until
we read The Alchemist, like I wasn't. I had no
idea what was going on with alchemy, and you know
I've heard things or whatever. But dude, after we read
that book, man, that was for me personally. I got
so much out of that. You know, just in every

(01:25:33):
time of my life going forward, Man, I feel like
whenever there's a situation, even if it's not even that
bad of a situation, I can still transmute it to
a much better one. At least in my mind, you know,
because why would you want to feel the worst case
scenario when you could feel slightly better just by switching
something around in your mind and looking at it in

(01:25:54):
a different way and going, oh, okay, it's really not
that bad. It could definitely be worse, you know. And
so in that and that you're you're you're transmuting a
whole situation, your reality, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Shout out to the Brazilian Paulo Coello right.

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
Now, dude, well so good, so good. And I use
that information daily. Oh yeah, you know daily. I mean
not even thinking about it at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
It's just all transmutation, you know, and just knowing that
you can do that, you know, like you think, oh
well it's easier said than done, it is, but it
is possible. You can't do it, like you know, you
can associate. And actually, what that doctor was talking about,
he goes, you know, this is kind of the the
idea the like of newer kind of sciences, you know,

(01:26:41):
and I've mentioned it before about neurolinguistic programming. He goes,
the idea, the reason why a like a meth head
or a heroin addict or an alcoholic or whatever, the
reason why they are addicted and they can't break that cycle,
and is because they associate all of those things with happiness,

(01:27:01):
with pleasure, with like I'm relaxed now and I can
do this now, and like I'll take at that, and
so he goes. The idea is that you have to
transmutate that. So you have to say, all right, well,
instead of associating happiness or whatever you associate, you know,
pleasure or whatever with said things, you have to remember like,

(01:27:22):
all right, but how can I look at this and
not think too fondly of it anymore? And that rate there,
in and of itself is the transmutation, right, You know,
if you say, well, yeah it feels good, but look
at all the lives out of that I destroyed. Yeah
it feels good, but man, I act like an asshole
whenever I'm whenever I'm drunk or whatever it is, and
and it puts that that sour taste in your mouth

(01:27:45):
to where every time you think of it now now
you don't. You don't associate it with happiness or pleasure
or anything you associate it with, Like, man, I can't
believe I caused that many people that much despair. And
I will never touch that shit again. And it's literally
a rewiring of the brain.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
Right, and now you you no longer you definitely don't
want to make other people feel that way going forward.
You've already established that in your mind how you made
them feel. And so I've been trying to do that
lately because you know, I've been trying to eat better
and and I've been doing pretty solid. I've lost like
four pounds already. So yeah, and so you know that

(01:28:20):
that experience I was telling you about, as far as
like having this just overwhelming sense of compassion for everybody
around you that happened today, and and and talk about
the the the potential that's within you, that's always been there,
Like that's that's there, you know what I mean, We
all have that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Potential to feel that way.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
But eating just just eating right, you know, just in
my mind, I don't want to feel like shit anymore.
You know, I don't want to have those pains in
my joints due to inflammation because of the bullshit food
that I've been eating. I don't want to have brain fog,
you know, like all of these things, and so just
transmute it, man, and hopefully, well I don't even want
to say hopefully, because that's already putting like out in

(01:29:00):
the situation. But but yeah, dude, that's all it is, man,
just getting yourself to accept the possibility that you can
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
I mean, most of the roadblocks that we stumble across
are ones that we build ourselves.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
So yeah, we're always getting in our own way, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
So anyhow, let's get to the Hermetic and the Kabbalistic currents. So,
though cloaked in Christian language, the Rosicrucian philosophy was steeped
in Hermeticism and the Kabbalah. The Hermetic texts attributed to
Hermestruz mag Justus spoke of a cosmos infused with divine intelligence,
where as above, so below was the key to unlocking creation.

(01:29:39):
The Rosicrusions echoed this, teaching that the human being is
a microcosm of the divine. They also drew on Jewish mysticism,
particularly the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, which mapped the emanations
of divine light into the material world. The Rosicrucians were not.
To the Rosicrusians, these were not abstract system but tools

(01:30:01):
for awakening. Symbols like the rose and Cross were multi layered.
They the rose representing unfolding consciousness, the cross symbolizing matter
and suffering. So not even just the human nature, but
just physical nature in general reality itself. Yeah, so together
they revealed the path of spirit flowering through the trials

(01:30:22):
of physical of physical existence. So by weaving hermetic, Kabbalistic,
and alchemical threads together, the rose Aicrusians created a tapestry
that felt both ancient and revolutionary, a hidden synthesis of
wisdom traditions. Oh dude, Now, so I feel like there
was another website that I wanted to get to, and

(01:30:43):
there absolutely is. We're going to get over here, and
I guess this is not necessarily in order, But when
are we ever in order? You know what is in order?

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
What is?

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
Yes, So earlier we talked about the seven core beliefs
of the school rescutions. Now we're going to get to
and this is a big name. We would be remiss
if we did not mention Rudolph Steiner. Whenever we talk
about the rosicrusions, he is said to be like the
most well understood rosicrusion of all time, like the actual

(01:31:16):
He was an actual guy. He wasn't he wasn't like
the other guy, right, Like, it's not myth that he
was alive. He was like and he wrote so many
books too. And a lot of the stuff that Rudolph
Steiner was talking about is the same shit that Terrence
Howard was bringing up. Oh shit, okay, like the same stuff.

(01:31:37):
Like their stuff goes hand in hand. Talking about the
flower of life and like you know wild, yes, yes,
so they they have six fundamental exercises. I believe that
these are called the the essential six Elements or something

(01:31:59):
like that. A right, we should get to it. So
in Higher Worlds and Its Attainment, Rudolph Steiner teaches how
to develop one's spiritual organs of perception i e. Are chakras,
and the qualities required to the further development of the
heart chakra. The twelve pedaled lotus, situated in the region
of the heart, is developed in a similar way. So

(01:32:23):
half of half of its pedals too, were already existent
and in active use in a remote stage of human evolution.
Hence these six pedals need not need not now be
especially developed. In esoteric training, they appear of themselves and
begin to resolve or begin to revolve when the student
sets to work on the other six. So basically to

(01:32:45):
say that lotus lotus flower has twelve pedals, we already
have six. You don't even necessarily need to you know,
you're kind of born with those, but you're meant to
kind of work with the other six. And that's what
these other six are going to be. What we're about
to talk when you were ready though, yes, yes, So
it says, hence these six pedals need not now be

(01:33:06):
especially developed in esoteric training. They appear of themselves and
begin to revolve when the student sets to work on
the other six. So here again he learns to promote
this development by consciously controlling and directing certain inner activities
in a special way. So all right, here we go.
Number one is control of thought Easier said than done.

Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
Yeah, another one of those easier said than done, right, yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
So it says to begin with, the student endeavors to
regulate his sequence of thought or control of thought, just
as the sixteen sixteen pedaled lotus is developing by cultivating
thoughts that conform with truth, are and are significant. Oh
this is hard to read, this must oh because it's
Rudolph Steiner. He was back in the day I'll just
you know what, I'll just read. Yeah, it's like you know,

(01:33:56):
King James, and just read the description. I guess. So
number one is to control of thought. Number two would
be control of actions through will, solid okay. Number three
is perseverance, steadfastness, balance and harmony. Number four is tolerance
and positiveness, Thinking and feeling hmm, that's a big one.

(01:34:22):
Number five is faith, trust and unbiased receptivity.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
That's pretty much so thinking and willing, and then finally
control of feeling, equanimity and calmness. So basically to say that, like,
you know, your your feelings and your emotions are are
very I guess you can control them in a way, right,
like and everybody kind of knows this in one form

(01:34:50):
of one form of fashion. It's like, you know, your
feeling is kind of just like a chemical explosion that
is going on inside of you and ending upon your
The way you look at certain things or the way
you react to certain things, you can essentially guide that
chemical explosion that's going on inside of you all the time,

(01:35:12):
right exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
Yeah, I mean, well, it's a slippery slope, you know,
when you start to going to the controlling the thoughts
aspect of it, which was that not the one of
the one of the earlier ones. Not that they're in order,
I don't know if they are, but thought. Yeah, once,
once you start having a thought, right, and you start
to notice it, and let's say it's a negative one,
you know, about yourself or about a situation or other

(01:35:35):
people or whatever it is. As soon as you have
it and you notice that you're putting your attention on
that thing, and then you all of a sudden, if
you don't like stop it right there, because you already
know it's kind of of a negative vibe, it can
spiral and become bigger, you know, and then this bigger
thought becomes all of a sudden, you feel it in
your chest or your stomach, and you start to actually

(01:35:56):
physicalize it. You know, you're feeling it within your physical body.
And so, yeah, dude, if you don't, if you don't
control the thought, then all of a sudden, your whole
day is fucked well now, and then you make yourself sick.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
It's so to say that you're not going You're not
gonna always be able to control the outcomes that exist
outside of you, but you can definitely control your inner world.
Of how not to just react animalistically, but but you know,
to to kind of just be aware of what's going
on and don't judge a situation, don't even feel bad

(01:36:29):
for yourself. Like you the idea is to be to
to put your consciousness above that feeling of sadness or
I feel bad for myself or whatever. There's nothing wrong
with feeling it. But whenever you allow that emotion to
take hold of your life and now that's who I am,
that's a bad thing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
You don't want to get to that point.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
Yeah, I mean, unless you're you're deciding that this is
the time that you're gonna deal with the shadow, you know,
that's that's a whole different story, and that's a whole
different technique going going forward into that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
But if you're just going to let it dictate or
experience and dictate how the rest of the day is
going to go, without any kind of positive action towards it,
then yeah, you got to put a stop to it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
On percent easier said than done. Once again, of course,
of course, this is why meditation, contemplation, a couple of
the things that they mentioned earlier are very important. So
this is kind of a. This is kind of a
like an outline of the conversation that I was listening
to earlier with doctor Robert Gilbert. I thought, I thought
I exited this website out, but I still had it.

(01:37:30):
So he was going on, let me see where it
actually Okay, So there was something so interesting, dude that
he said that. Literally, So doctor Gilbert introduces us to
the core principles of the Rosicrucian tradition, one one of
which is the intriguing concept. And this is one of

(01:37:51):
the foremost like initiatory concepts to rose accrusionism, is that
in the beginning, in the beginning was the memory hmm okay,
think about that, which is pretty crazy, like.

Speaker 4 (01:38:06):
The memory of you before you incarnated, or that we're
talking about yeah everything, Oh okay, okay, some reason I
thought you were gonna skip ahead to he was talking
about this whole aspect of like the fractaled nature of
like if you're not like cleansed or or completely I
forget the verbiage, you know, I'm gonna go back and

(01:38:27):
watch the whole thing all over again, but something along
the lines if like you're not if you're not ready
and you're going into a particular modality or or whatever
the spiritual understanding, then it can be kind of fractled
and and you wouldn't be ready for that, and that's
why people have like these inflated, uh ideologies of of

(01:38:48):
of the of the world, you know what I'm saying.
And so I thought that that was very interesting, but
I'd like to understand that better before really speaking on it.
But I thought that was pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
Oh yeah, it's it's kind of like the way I
interpreted that was that, you know, let's say that somebody
isn't fully initiated, maybe they just kind of dip their
feet in, maybe they don't even know what the fuck
it means to be initiated, but then they have some
kind of out of body experience or a mystical experience,
and now that's who they are, and that's the truth
of this reality and there is You can't tell me
any different. And to be honest, I guess I mean

(01:39:21):
we probably we probably kind of all go through that
in one form or fashion, right, And he's saying that, like, look,
it is it, you know, especially nowadays, because it used
to be you know, through the use of psychedelics, whether
it was through you know, shroom tea or whatever it was,
that it was more of an initiate kind of thing
that you had to be so far within your initiate

(01:39:44):
teachings before you even had access to the shroom tea
or you even had access to the ayahuasca or whatever
it was. Right, And nowadays, if you like, any uninitiated
person can just go and have access to LSD or
you know, DMT or whatever. And he goes that, sometimes
people will go through that and they're like, they have
this experience and it's like, oh, I know it all,

(01:40:06):
but they don't know how to like categorize it and
compartmentalize it, you know, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
Kind of like this is a weird example, but in
Jurassic Park, you know how he was saying, Jeff Goldblum's
character was saying, you know, you didn't have the discipline
upon acquiring this technology, and then all of a sudden,
you're just making dinosaurs along those lines. I mean, I
butchered it, But basically like that, you know what I'm saying,
you have to have somewhat of a discipline before you

(01:40:32):
even approach these things, you know, And I think that's
that's the way it's supposed to be do I think
we're supposed to understand that there's so much more, and
just because you have a particular experience, you know, like
the experience with the cat being, you know what I mean,
Obviously that's not the end all be all of this
whole existence. You know, a profound experience for sure, but

(01:40:56):
there's more, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
Right right? I think correct me if I'm wrong. Whenever,
Jeff Goldblum was like, you know, the whole time you
were trying to figure out if you could, you never
stopped to think if you should right exactly? Yeah, kind
of like that. Yeah, m hm, so yeah, pretty interesting.
But but yeah, dude, I can't recommend this episode enough,
but we'll go over a couple of the talking points

(01:41:21):
he goes in the beginning was the memory. This refers
to the cyclical, cyclic nature of life and incarnation, where
each life begins with the drought of forgetfulness, a metaphorical
forgetting of our past lives. Overcoming this forgetfulness is possible
through through specific spiritual practices that structure our subtle bodies

(01:41:42):
or like your spirit body, you know, like where your
chapras and all that stuff are allowing us to remember
more about our past incarnations and understand our purpose in
the current lifetime. This process of remembering is likened to
the myth of Inana, who descends into the underworld and
is stripped of her possessions and identity, only to reclaim
them as she returns, revitalized and empowered. So it says,

(01:42:07):
then it gets you know, goes on into you know,
the history of Rosicrucianism, and he goes. Rosicution is not
just a set of teachings, but a community of spiritual
and human initiates working together across lifetimes. This invisible college
of Rosicrucian Masters is tasked with advancing our understanding of
the hermetic tradition. Each spiritual tradition, including Rosicrucianism, is supported

(01:42:31):
by a group of non physical spiritual beings who guide
and influence the tradition's objectives. Dude, which is pretty interesting,
you know, it says, the wisdoms of the wisdom of
Rosicrucianism is vast, encompassing the shared knowledge of humanity spiritual evolution.
This knowledge, once whole, was dispersed across various traditions around

(01:42:53):
the world, each becoming guardians of specific spiritual aspects. So,
in essence, Rosicrucianism offers a path to rediscover the fragmented
spiritual wisdom of humanity, providing structured practices that align with
the goals of spiritual enlightenment and personal transformation. As we
continue to explore these ancient yet ever evolving teachings, we

(01:43:13):
unlock new ways to understand ourselves and the spiritual legacies
we are part of. So, I mean, I'm not going
to read the whole thing, but I just thought, you
know what he was kind of alluding to in that episode.
I mean, this is the guy. He's he he dedicated
his entire life to this, you know, to understanding the
you know, the all this spiritual kind of mystical kind

(01:43:34):
of stuff. Right, and Nick actually told me he just
died last year.

Speaker 4 (01:43:39):
So that really sucks. Yeah, oh shit, Yeah, it's very
clear that he knew his shit. Just I mean, within
the first.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
Few minutes of that, dude is just going off, dude,
you know, effortlessly. Yeah, and well, and what was interesting
is is that he kind of comes from the the
idea that you know, a lot of us have been
saying since the beginning of this or the beginning of
this this podcast, right is that you know, every single

(01:44:06):
one of the religious and mystical traditions all have a
bit of truth and truth in them, and that they're
just scattered everywhere, and it's up to the person to
kind of try and go find each one of the shards,
right right and piece it all back together. It's to coexist,
fucking bumper sticker is what it is, dude. Yep. Every
belief system.

Speaker 4 (01:44:26):
And then Nick said told me something about this, and
I'm probably gonna butcher that too, but he said that
every faith and belief system are are like stitch together
with truth, you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, there
might be areas of it that are kind of like
inflated or or I mean, at least this is how
I what I got from it, you know, but in
there the stitches are the truth, you know what I mean.

(01:44:50):
So if you can go around and kind of like
what we're doing, you know, we're kind of looking at
at all angles and looking at all traditions and cultures
and belief systems and trying to pull what's true from
that and what's true from this, at least.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
For our own reality anyway, you know, what vibes with us. Yeah, well,
I mean each each. I mean it's all one big tapestry,
and I think it's kind of the point, you know.
So there was a couple of things that I thought
was really really interesting that he was bringing up in
that episode, and that was understanding the three centers of

(01:45:22):
human existence. This is according to Rosicrucian thought. So Resicrucianism
delves deep into the structure of human consciousness, aligning closely
with concepts found in other traditions such as Chinese Taoism.
It speaks of the of three primary centers within us.
So and these are called the Danteans. So you have

(01:45:42):
the upper Dantean, the middle Dantean, and the lower Dantean.
The upper Dantean would be the thinking center. Easy to
remember where your head's at, right, and it's related to
our consciousness and cognitive faculties. This center is about achieving
clarity and spiritual science, right, which, by the way, Nick
just told me earlier that, uh, doctor Greg Braiden just

(01:46:05):
went on the Joe Rogan show. Oh Diddy, Yeah, so
that's gonna be an interesting one because he's all over Gaya.
You know, anybody that's interesting to watches. Gaya, dude, that
guy is an encyclopedia of knowledge. It's crazy. Yeah, uh dude,
wait wait till he gets uh doctor Joe despends on there,
Like I pray that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
That's gonna be Oh dude, I can only imagine how
many minds are going to open up.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
Just yeah. Yeah, it's funny because uh, Nick actually sent
me a message and he was talking about, uh about
how Greg Braiden went on there, and he goes, uh,
let me try and find it because it was pretty
damn funny he goes. He goes, I was literally like, oh, ship,
Greg Braiden, Joe Rogan. Consciousness is getting ready for some

(01:46:55):
major fucking upgrades. It's evolving once again. Yes, it is so. Yeah.
You have the upper Dante, in which you know, is
related to your consciousness and cognitive faculties. You have the
middle Dante in which is the feeling center. So this
center encompasses the heart and lungs, relating to our emotions
and the ethical dimensions of our existence. It ties into

(01:47:18):
traditions like the Holy Grail lore focusing on becoming receptacles
of receptacles for divine energies. So that is where if
you are trying to call on you know, angels or
gods or whatever, you would almost like it has to
come through the center. And that's kind of one of
the main traditions of resicretionism. It's not that you know,

(01:47:40):
you're having things come down to the head and then
goes throughout the rest of your body. It's that it
starts in the center of your chest and it emanates outward.
And which is I think is beautiful. That's the lotus
that's unfolding right, you know, which is the idea of
why you well, what's the idea of why you would
have the rose on the cross, right, that's the thing
that's blooming right opening up, Yeah, dud, it's pretty cool.

(01:48:04):
So and then finally you have the lower dante in
which is called the will center, so associated with life,
energy and physical actions. This center emphasizes transforming the physical
world through practices like biodynamic agriculture. Then he mentions Rudolph Steiner,
who we'd kind of talked a little bit about earlier,
a luminary in the Rosicrucian tradition, exemplifies the thinking center,

(01:48:28):
having disseminated vast amounts of spiritual knowledge. His works continue
to inspire those seeking a deeper, deeper understanding of esoteric teachings.

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
So, I mean something interesting that I really that I
heard on that as far as the Upper Dante, and
he was saying that it used to be like expanded
outwardly much farther, you know, and over time it kind
of narrowed in more towards your brain. And so that
gave us the faculties to think more logically and have
that thinking brain rather than the experiencing and kind of

(01:49:00):
that more spiritual understanding and abilities when it comes to
like seeing you know, entities.

Speaker 1 (01:49:06):
Or what have you. Right, Yeah, dude, there's one more
thing that I want to mention from that episode that
he mentioned in there. He goes today's society often prioritizes
rational linear thought at the expense of intuitive, holistic understanding.
Albert Einstein famously remarked that while the intuitive mind is

(01:49:26):
a sacred gift, the rational mind is a faithful servant.
Modern society, however, tends to honor the servant, neglecting the gift.
If that is not absolute truth, I don't know what is, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:49:40):
Yeah, that's the that's the part of you that seems
to question or doubt, you know, when you do have
somewhat of a spiritual experience and then it's like, but
I mean, okay, it could be explained by this. You know,
when you start to try to break it apart, you
know that that that's what's happening, That's what's responsible for that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
Yeah, just always trying to think too logical about everything.
And it's like, hold on, dude, that is that is
your servant trying to become the master, and you should
not let that happen. Yeah, don't deny the fruits, you know, yes, yes,
So it says this disconnection from the intuitive and the
subtle realms has profound implications. Historically, humans possessed innate clairvoyance,

(01:50:22):
enabling direct perception of non physical beings and a deep
engagement with natural forces. This capacity has diminished as we
as we have developed the logical faculties associated with the brain,
leading to a disconnection from these subtle energies and realms. Basically,
to say that, like back in the day before we started,
you know, letting a regular crewmate take the wheel as captain,

(01:50:47):
it was it was common that you would be able
to converse with angels in the Holy Ghost or whatever, right,
like the spiritual realm, whatever you communicate with on that side,
it was like common you know, right, and they actually
do they actually bring up a lot of Atlantis stuff too.

(01:51:08):
Oh really yeah, yeah, they they say that's like kind
of the marker of maybe what we once were and
we've fallen from there.

Speaker 4 (01:51:18):
Yeah mm yeah, I don't know quite what I feel
about the whole Atlantis thing, you know what I mean
physical reality personally, it's to me, I feel like it's
more mythology. But still there's something I'm sure there that's
symbolic that we can get out of it, you know.
I mean, it makes sense why we can't find where
that was, you know what I'm saying, Like I feel

(01:51:40):
like if this was such a renowned place and civilization.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
And all of this, when we haven't found it, you
know what I mean. Like, I don't know, I think
it was probably just another plane of existence, not necessarily
existing on the fiserl plane. Right. It's like, you know,
the same people that are going into the astro realm
and seeing the Akashak records, It's like is that fake
or is it real?

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
Like what do you title that as? Yeah? So yeah,
pretty cool, it's just another place, you know, like it's
not where they come from, but it's when they come
from kind of thing. Yeah, for sure. I had an
experience just recently.

Speaker 4 (01:52:19):
I don't have to get into it right now, but
it was definitely, dude, I'm telling you, it felt like
remote viewing. I'm just gonna put it out there, man,
Like I saw something from like an aerial view and
it was like a I can't quite describe what the
landscape was like, but it was like I was looking
down at a dome. So probably whatever whatever that was,

(01:52:41):
you know, whether it was like a base or I
don't know, but if And it's weird because the way
that I was positioned, like the blanket was I don't know, dude,
I I I get weird with it. When I sleep,
it is whatever's comfortable, you know what. The blanket was
kind of in my face, and so it was only
covering the one eye, you know, and I was like
on my side and I open my eyes, but I

(01:53:01):
could still see what I was seeing in the eye
that was still.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
In darkness, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:53:06):
Yes, Yeah, So there was no visual stimulus coming into
that eyeball, and so that allowed for whatever it was
that I was seeing to persist.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
I mean they say that we have other faculties that
you don't necessarily need your eyes to see.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
That's one of our favorite little short films.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Mm.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
Yeah, no shit. So I don't know, I don't know
what to do with that. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
I'm not saying that I'm remote viewing, but I definitely
experienced something of the like, you know. Yeah, possibly I
got no information out of it, I got nothing to
bring back, but it was something.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's the thing is just maybe
it's just that's all it requires, is just that you know,
your awareness and oh but they'll happened, and that it's
kind of like maybe it wasn't the whole thing, but
it was just like a little.

Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
Creak in the door, you know. Yeah, yeah, just a
little something just to let you know that it's possible,
you know what I mean. You want you want to
find more. You know there's more, you know, there's always more. Yeah,
so we only have a little bit more here. So
the influence on science.

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
And secret orders as far as the Rescrucians, the Rosicrucian
vision wasn't limited to mysticism. It shaped science and society.
Figures like Francis Bacon and Robert I don't know if
it's flood or fluid were accused of being Rosicrucians, and
their writings carried Rosicrusion undertones. The idea of an invisible college,
a fraternity of wise men guiding humanity, was a precursor

(01:54:28):
to the Royal Society, the very institution that birth modern science.
Whoa okay interesting Later, rosagriushiin in Rosicrucianism, symbolism bled into Freemasonry, Theosophy,
and the Hermetic orders. The rose and Cross appears in
countless Masonic rites, and Rosicrucianism ideas of secrecy, initiation, and

(01:54:52):
inner transformation became staples of Western occultism through Theosophy, and damn,
I can't remember what her name is, Helena Blovotski and others,
but she was one of the main ones. So even today,
modern rosicution organizations like Amo RC, which we kind of
read from, continue these teachings, blending meditation, sacred geometry, alchemy,

(01:55:16):
and philosophy. The irony is that the Rosicrucians promised to
remain invisible, and yet their influence became unavoidable. They're hidden
hand shape, both mysticism and modern rationalism.

Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
Hmm. Interesting, It's funny. You know, a lot of this,
the stuff you know people would consider the woo woo
or the new Age, has all come from something way
longer ago. It just wasn't known to the Western world,
you know, one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
Yeah, And it's like, you know, people will say that
it is new age, and it's just you know, newer
people that are putting things together. Dude. Most of what
is talked about within the wu arena is just a
like a reper of older stories and mending and melting.
It's a melting pot of older traditions, right, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
And even more, dude, like if new ideas come out
due to a lot of the older information, and then
you come to new understandings, and then it is that
not just consciousness? I can figuring shit out, Like why
is it that when something's new, it's so less regarded.
You know, it's only the the books and scriptures and

(01:56:28):
things that were written a long time ago that are
more revered. It's like, if we come up with something
that works and all of a sudden, humanity can I
don't know, not be at war for once, Like, what's
wrong with that?

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
Well, because people are attached, they attach a lot of
their beliefs into well, the people for the last two
or three thousand years have been practicing it. You're not
going to tell me that they're wrong, are you? And
it's kind of like, you know, coming from that kind
of mentality, and I understand it, you know. But at
the same time, it just because something has been practiced

(01:56:59):
for two or three thousand years doesn't mean that it's
absolutely the most right thing, right right exactly, So let's see,
all right. Nextly, we have the ethic of silence. So
the Rosicrucians live by a principle that echoes what we
said in part one, whenever we were talking about, you know,
not going out and proselytizing about this kind of stuff

(01:57:22):
that the mystic does not proselytize. Their secrecy was not arrogance,
but humility. Their motto could be distilled if they were
to come up with a motto could be distilled into
four words, to know, to will, to dare, and to
keep silent. They believe wisdom should never be forced upon
the unwilling. The mysteries belonged only to those who sought them.

(01:57:43):
This is why their brotherhood was said to be invisible,
not because it didn't exist, but because only sincere seekers
could perceive it. To the rest of the world, the
Rosicrucians were simply ordinary people, and in many ways their
ethic mirrors today's esoteric path. Mysticism is not about shouting
from the rooftops, but about walking silently, offering bread to

(01:58:04):
those who hunger for it, and meet only when they
are ready to digest it. Hmmm, dude, that's solid. That's
great information, man, Yeah, you know, that's great. I agree. Then,
it says the Rosicusion teachings for today. So what can
the modern seeker learn from the Rosicrucians. Their wisdom still
applies number one, And there's many of them. These are

(01:58:27):
just a few of them. Seek knowledge across traditions, her, medical, alchemical, mystical,
All of them seek knowledge across all of them. Which
what a beautiful thing to say.

Speaker 4 (01:58:39):
Yeah, I mean, it's I feel like, for some reason
the people are afraid to kind of mix everything together,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
I feel like, if you're just too far philosophical.

Speaker 4 (01:58:47):
Then I don't know how far you're gonna get, you know,
what I'm saying, like, yeah, sure you might understand some
things better than some other people in that area, you know,
but let's let's get scientific with it. Let's ununderstand the
spiritual realm, let's understand the psychology, the the shadow self
that let's get into all of the things and be
a more all encompassing being.

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
Yeah, I mean, science doesn't have to equal satan.

Speaker 3 (01:59:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
We could look at it as like, all right, well
maybe this is going to be a tool that we
can use that could possibly back up some claims, right,
you know, and stuff like that. At the very least,
just implement along with what you already know and believe,
you know, quantum physics, like we love the quantum physics
and the double slid and all the different you know,

(01:59:35):
kind of much as I can understand. Yeah. Yeah, it's
pretty thick, it's pretty deep, it is, it is, so yeah,
seek knowledge across all traditions. The second one is to
transform the self before trying to transform the world. M Yeah,
it's a biggie. Nextly, oh, this is another big one,

(01:59:55):
respect timing and silence. Not all truths are for all ears. Yeah. Yeah,
that's a hard pill fallow for some people, and the
next one see science and spirituality as allies, not enemies.
There you go, oh, perfect. So the Rosicrucians remind us

(02:00:18):
that true initiation is inward. The real invisible college is
the one inside your own heart, where wisdom waits to
be discovered when you are ready. So in the end,
the Rosicrucians may or may not have existed as a
literal order, but their legend itself has power. They remind

(02:00:39):
us that wisdom always survives, even if it's hidden. They
teach that the occult is not darkness, but light hidden
from unready eyes, and they prove that silence can echo
across centuries. So perhaps the Rosicrucians never vanished. Perhaps they're
still here, shattered across the or scattered across the world,
living as ordinary people who carry extraordinary wisdom, waiting for

(02:01:02):
seekers to knock on the invisible door. Well, I love that.
That's great that from that one man, What an interesting
way of I love it. Yeah, that makes sense, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:01:18):
You know, And I've spoken of of you know, the guy,
the guy that I work with, and uh, he's he's
a Pentecostal Christian, you know what I'm saying. And so
he everything I say is pretty much like little clues
to him that I'm like of the dark side, you know,
and I think I'm starting to learn, like and now
it's a little more playful, you know, I understand where

(02:01:39):
he's coming from. And so we don't like clash or
nothing like that. But just the other day, I was like, oh,
I was talking to somebody else and he was kind
of you know, in proximity, and I was like, man,
October is almost here. You know, it's like my favorite
time of year. It's going to start to cool down.
And like October is really where it's like, okay, the
extreme heat is kind of going away, you know. And

(02:02:00):
so that's like, I just love this time of year,
the way it smells everything. And he like looked at me,
and because we had already had a conversation like a
day before about like Halloween, and and he you know,
because of course you understand what he believes when it
comes to Halloween, like it's like, oh, sacrifice and the
devil this and that and so. But but yeah, I

(02:02:21):
was talking to somebody else and I was like, yeah,
you know, October's here. I'm excited. It's my favorite time
of year. And then he like looked over at me
like this. He's like Okay, He's like now I know.
He's like, you just told me, you know what I mean,
like pretty much just saying like I'm of the dark
or whatever, like I worshiped the devil, And I'm like, dude,
come on, you know, and like I said, it's more
playful now. I think we we kind of come to

(02:02:43):
understand each other a little more over just you know,
times being spent together. But I was like, dude, come on,
I said, it's just candy, you know what I mean,
it's a fun tradition. Nobody's I mean, I'm not saying nobody.
I'm sure there's some people out there, and you know,
going off of that as far as people that are
Satan worshippers, they're just subscribing to the Christian narrative. If

(02:03:05):
you really think about it, it's the other side of
the poll, you know what I mean. It's almost on
purpose just to kind of rebel, you know what I'm saying.
It's like they're playing within that same board game with you.
You can acknowledge one without acknowledging the other, right, And
so yeah, so now we just kind of have fun.
I think that hopefully we're both learning from each other.

(02:03:26):
He's always trying to spit some knowledge on me about,
you know, how to live a better way and this
and that and so whatever he says that. I feel
like it's good information. I'll take that for myself, you know.
But when he tells me that, I'm probably you know,
it's not looking good, dude, and you know you're probably
gonna go to hell.

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
Then you know that I reject. Yeah, it's like I
don't subscribe to that. But but it is interesting, like,
and this is I think what I'm going to try
and start doing, is that anytime I'm talking to somebody
who has religious beliefs, instead of saying no, that's wrong word, No,
this is this is how it's supposed to be interpreted,

(02:04:03):
just like be the sponge of information. Learn the stories,
learn the traditions, Learn like what was the moral of
said story, and just inwardly think about like what was
the deeper meaning behind that? And how could I look
at that through a now chemical frame? How could I
look at that through a mystical frame, and just you know,
kind of inviting that old uh invisible college inward, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:04:26):
And you know, if they ask you a question about
your beliefs, then you can kind of elaborate and you know,
explain how you see their their faith or how you
see you know, the symbolic nature of these certain instances
or what have you.

Speaker 1 (02:04:41):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:04:42):
But only if and that makes it kind of yeah,
only if they ask, But to see, that's kind of
I don't know, it's kind of I feel like you
should be able to just say what's on your mind.

Speaker 1 (02:04:51):
You should be able to But that's not the game
we're plan, right, you know, it's it's an unfair game,
which I get it. You know, we all want to
be able to express our beliefs and we want them
to count just as much as everybody else's beliefs. But
there's always going to be you know what the reaction
is going to be. Like, you're not going to convince

(02:05:12):
anybody out of what they believe. I mean, and maybe
if they're open minded, they'll be they'll at least be
like you know what I understand. I mean, I don't
believe that, but I understand you know how you could
look at it that way. That's best case scenario, yeah,
I mean, And so that's kind of where I'm going
to be coming from. I kind of jokingly said that
on the Cult that I'm just going to say that

(02:05:33):
I'm a Satan worshiper just to like squash it, but
obviously I'm not. But like, I don't know, just you know,
you kind of got to meet people where they're at,
and that's kind of living. Learn, you learn, man, you know,
and hopefully whenever somebody does say, you know what I do,
want to learn a little bit more about what you

(02:05:54):
believe or what you've learned or something like that, we've
we've been able to sharpen the tool and enough to
where we can speak kind of cleanly and open about it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:03):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (02:06:04):
And that's exactly maybe that's what we should be really
preparing for, you know, exactly exactly. White boy Wizard, what
are your thoughts, sir?

Speaker 5 (02:06:12):
Remember a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about
snakes and I had a ball python named Lucifer. That
was half the reason I fucking named him that ship
because I'd be like, I worship Loocifer, and I'd be like, what,
I'd be like, kid, he's right.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
Here, a kid. I have the snake that was in
the Garden of Eden. Actually he talks and everything. It's
pretty pretty wild. Told me to eat this apples. I
don't know what to fuck me, but you know he
was question it. Uh yeah, dude, Sean, you got a
tarot card picked out, sir, oh, I actually have two.

(02:06:45):
You know, these things happen sometimes. It's fine.

Speaker 4 (02:06:47):
Yeah, I know we like to stick to one, but
you know what we're going to. I don't even know
which order to put them in, but I think I'll
go the Six of Pentacles first.

Speaker 1 (02:06:57):
No way, dude. Literally, that's the fucking page I had
already opened up, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:07:01):
And it's so fascinating because the whole idea of you know,
the rescrutions and all of this and the the the
Invisible College is like, if somebody's ready, right, and so
then you would just kind of drop a cople bread
crumbs and let that stew a little bit. And literally
the image of this guy's dropping bread crumbs.

Speaker 1 (02:07:18):
Yeah, and he has the liber scale in the other hand. Yeah. Wow,
that is incredible. That's literally the whole moral of this episode, right,
So the Six of Pentacles, giving and receiving opens the
flow of prosperity in your life. Always give what you
would like to receive. You are met with generosity and

(02:07:38):
even exchange when you draw the six of pinnacles. In
this card, a wealthy excuse the crickets that are chirping
outside of my window. I thought it was the fan,
so I turned it down. I was like, oh, that's right,
there's a window right here. It's nice time over here.
It's natured, yeah, dude. If anything, it's kind of soothing
and meditating.

Speaker 5 (02:07:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:07:56):
So in this card, a wealthy man offers coins to
people who are kneeling before him. His position is above theirs,
yet he holds a scale in his hand as a
reminder that equality is important, as is sharing what you
have with those who have less. This card is as
much about giving generously as it is about receiving graciously.
Altruistic and genuine acts of support are the hallmarks of

(02:08:17):
this card, so it's about generosity and sharing resources. The
numerology is number six, which is associated with harmony and
generosity the personal or the spiritual meaning behind it. It
says an inheritance or unexpected gift is coming to you,
or you are considering donating to a charity or someone
in need. Consider passing along items from your closet or

(02:08:40):
home to those in need, since doing so will create
space to receive from other sources. Perfect. Wow, such a
great card. Six of pinnacles. Yeah, that's the other one.
Solid symbolism. I feel like I don't know. I could
be wrong. I feel like we just got this one recently.
But it's the Queen of Swords. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:08:59):
If I don't know, maybe we just got it. I
don't know, Queen, I'm gonna question words.

Speaker 1 (02:09:03):
All right, Yeah, let's get over to it. See what
the queen has to say. Feminine energy of protection, fairness,
and balance. Man, it's all about balance when making decisions
and speaking. The truth is held within the Queen of Swords.

Speaker 2 (02:09:18):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (02:09:20):
Queens and queens and taro represent feminine energy that includes receptivity, honesty, compassion,
and love. The Queen of Swords represents the elements of
water and air. Yet there is very little water in
the cart itself, just a faraway stream. This indicates that
clear communication, intellect, and logic are favored over emotional outpouring.

(02:09:40):
This queen is seated on a sturdy throne, welcoming anyone
who seeks her counsel. Yet yet she holds her sword
of truth in front of her, making it clear that
she will not hide her thoughts and opinions. This queen
is wise and just. Her thoughtfully drawn conclusions are trusted
by all those bye by all who surround her. To

(02:10:03):
remain in balance, she is open to hearing the opinions
and ideas of others. Come on. That gave me chills. Yeah,
the spiritual message says, oh wow, this is pretty Oh
my God. Stand up for your beliefs and don't shy

(02:10:24):
away from sharing your wisdom with others. What how did
we get here? Dude? Oh my god. Focus on using
logic and reason rather than relying on emotional expressions. But beware,
but beware of coming off as harsh in your delivery.

(02:10:44):
Oh my god, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:10:47):
I don't think we've had, you know, back to back
cards like that Most of the.

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
Time, dude, they resonate, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:10:53):
But that was how special you The spiritual realm was
talking to you, dude, talking.

Speaker 1 (02:10:59):
To all of us. Yeah, my god, Holy shit, that
was great. Man. Can just never cease to be amazed
by the messages that come through.

Speaker 4 (02:11:09):
Yeah, man, and see what I'm saying, Like, if we
would have got this card a week ago. I'm sure
there would have been something relatable that we can think
on and go, Okay, yeah, that's a great message.

Speaker 1 (02:11:17):
I understand that. But this was just right on the nose, dud, dude,
in your face, that is that is like borderline spooky actually,
so yeah, you wanna you want to give and receive,
always give what you would like to receive. And then

(02:11:40):
also it was the Queen of Swords, who was come on,
there we go, who standing up for your beliefs and
don't shining away from the from your wisdom with others.
That's crazy. All right. Well, I guess we'll wrap it
up right there. Hopefully everybody enjoy the episode. Hopefully you

(02:12:01):
learned a little something from it. I thought it was
pretty interesting and just going to show that, like maybe
we'll start looking a little bit deeper into all of
these secret societies and trying to like shed a little
bit of light on them, you know, because it is
very easy to call a secret society evil whenever you
know nothing about them, you know. And I you know what,
we might have to even get into the Illuminati too, because.

Speaker 4 (02:12:23):
I mean now that I know about October, dude, I
say we just go for it. Yeah, make these secret
societies a little less spooky.

Speaker 1 (02:12:32):
Unknown. We're going to be getting on somebody who is
a Freemason here soon. He was supposed to come on
last Yeah, you're supposed to come on last week, and
he couldn't because he had a medical issue. Dude, he
had a seizure. I was like, my god, take care
of yourself a little bit. So, yeah, he's gonna be
coming on once he like fully recovers and everything, which
I was like, dude, no, rush on that. I promise

(02:12:52):
We're going to be around for a while, so to
the end of time, you know. Yeah, So it'll be
interesting to learn, you know, because it's so easy to
say the Freemasons did it, the Illuminati did it, the
Rosa Gruss did it, the Kabbalistic people did it. It's
like the devil did it. You don't even know what
the fuck you're talking about, man, right, you know, on
the situation, Let's just try it, yeah right, try it,

(02:13:16):
crazy ago trying things, you know. Yeah, So all right,
the one out there, We're going to get over to
the meditation. And I do want to say, if you
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(02:13:37):
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a lot more people are really starting to get interested
in this kind of stuff. Obviously, we're not the first ones.
We're not. We're never gonna be. We're not gonna be

(02:13:58):
the last ones either. It's kind of, you know, we
just hope to be at least a brick in the
bridge that is being built. That's all. That's it, dude,
that's it.

Speaker 4 (02:14:07):
This was a This was a fun episode man, so
and it's funny because I was really questioning that logical
part of my brain was like, let's just do the
single card. But I am so glad that I was like,
you know what, let's do both cards because that was
just ridiculous to the intuition.

Speaker 1 (02:14:24):
Dude. That's it, man. Yeah, this was this was This
was a fun one. Oh yeah, dude, it was so Yeah,
we appreciate all the one who have come to hang
out with us tonight. And uh, you know, like we
said earlier, if you want to be able to join
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the Wonder Wiz Day Tier. But yeah, but that meaning said,

(02:14:45):
we're gonna get over to the meditation sean, any parting
words for you, sir before we head over there.

Speaker 4 (02:14:51):
Just thank you guys for for joining us. This was
a very fun live and uh, I love you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:14:57):
This was great. Yes, lots of love everywhere. Maybe so
if Rosicrucianism and the occult came here and they taught
you anything, it's that you don't know what you don't know,
but don't just get weird stay weird. My god, that

(02:15:20):
was needed. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:15:22):
I don't know why we've been sleeping on the four
thirty two per minute.

Speaker 1 (02:15:26):
You know, yeah, we do. That was it. That was
the longest we meditated a while. It was sixteen minutes,
no way. Yeah, oh dude, I was I was at
home mar just getting nestled in.

Speaker 4 (02:15:36):
Dude, I actually had an experience that I don't usually have.
I actually kind of got a little emotional in there, Like, I.

Speaker 1 (02:15:46):
Mean, the four thirty two is to the heart chakra,
I think, dude, And.

Speaker 4 (02:15:50):
No bullshit, man, I felt because I was reflecting on
what that tarot card was saying as far as like
I don't know the you know, the exact wording, but
as far as you know, treat you know, treating others,
or giving what you would want others to give you
or what you would want to receive, right something along
those lines. And man, you know, I feel like we

(02:16:14):
we focus so much, you know, on what we disagree on.
And I see we as in just all people, you
know what I mean, everybody's got some sense of you know,
tribalism in them, whether it's red, blue, or Christian or
spiritual or atheist or whatever it is. Man, there's so
there's so much of that going on, man, And not

(02:16:37):
that you know, we're going to be able to do
anything to to you know, save the world or anything
like that, you know, But I just I just feel like, man,
if only we can all just get our heads out
of our ass, you know, and just see it for
what it is. It's like, look, if you think we're
really separate, if you think that we're really that different

(02:16:59):
just because of some ideology or or I don't know,
political stronghold. You know that the government's got on your mind,
you know, that makes you think that you have to
be a certain way towards someone else.

Speaker 5 (02:17:14):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:17:14):
It's like, I don't know, man, I don't know what
the answer is. But I just felt like this this
very strong like want or urge for just everybody just
kind of coming together, dude, you know, as woo woo,
and as cringe as that sounds, man. And when I
had that feeling, man, all of a sudden, along with

(02:17:37):
my eyes kind of watering up, and just like I
know that that's possible.

Speaker 1 (02:17:41):
It has to be, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:17:43):
But I got chills through my whole body, dude, like
more so than I ever have and at all ever,
not even just in meditation.

Speaker 1 (02:17:52):
And you know, I just, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:17:57):
I guess just kind of trying to approach people with
with more empathy and instead of like, well this is
what I disagree with, you know, and and vice versa.

Speaker 5 (02:18:08):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:18:08):
So I don't know, it was it was, it was
a strong one. Man.

Speaker 4 (02:18:12):
You know, if only you know, we can just do
the impossible and get people to just be nice, you know, yeah, yeah,
just meet them where they're at kind of thing. Yeah,
I want to make a T shirt that just has
like a smiley face or something. I mean, Optimistic has
already had something like that, which I do want to
get one of those hoodies.

Speaker 1 (02:18:33):
I know that he has not, but it just says
be nice, you know what I mean, Just I don't know.
He kind of rewind baby, that's it. That's it.

Speaker 4 (02:18:42):
But yeah, it was a it was a It was
an awesome experience, though, you know, not to get too
sappy and cringe with it.

Speaker 1 (02:18:48):
No, no, I I appreciate that because I that is
my favorite meditation, And dude, it's always been my favorite meditation,
like since the since I first started meditating, like twenty
eighteen or something like that, whenever I first got into meditation.
And man, that one just really centers you, you know

(02:19:08):
what I'm saying, Like, there's just something so special about
four thirty two, And I was looking it up. I
was like, man, is that the heart chakra one? And
some some were saying that it could be. But then
this other one. Most places say that it's actually, uh,
it goes with the crown chakra. Really yeah, it says.

(02:19:28):
One of the most famous healing frequencies is four hundred
and thirty two herts, often associated with the crown chakra.
The crown chakra, located at the top of the head,
is said to be our gateway to the expanded universe
beyond our bodies. It controls how we think and how
we respond to the world around us. The frequency of
four hundred and thirty two herts is said to be
mathematically consistent with the patterns of the universe. It is

(02:19:50):
reported that this tone vibrates on the principle of the
golden of the golden mean of fi and unifies the
properties of light, time, space, matter, graphvity, and magnetism. Within biology,
the DNA code, and consciousness, it's a lot when our crown.
When our crown chakras and balance, our perceptions of reality

(02:20:10):
can be more accurate, while on the other hand, an
imbalance in the crown chakra can lead to feelings of
isolation and existential crisis. By using the healing frequency of
fourner and thirty two herds, it's believed that we can
foster a healthier and more balanced crown chakra makes sense.

Speaker 4 (02:20:26):
Yeah, I mean it was definitely getting me to look
at the bigger picture, you know what I mean, being
this uh you know individual that I am. You know,
I don't know, it was uh, it was pretty powerful, man.

Speaker 5 (02:20:39):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:20:39):
It's interesting. It's almost on something right here that it's uh,
it shows the differences between four hundred and thirty two
herds and four unert and forty herts whenever you go
and meditate on them. Okay, so they both they both
still kind of work. It's just that for forty they
say it just works to a much lesser extent. So
as far as you're as far as your heart rate improvement,

(02:21:03):
they've measured that four forty herts, which is the unnatural one,
but very close. Four hundred and forty herts is it's
it helps with a it's as a twelve percent improvement
and heart rate variability, whereas fourner and thirty two herts
is a twenty seven percent improvement of heart rate variability.
And this is the big one, the stress reduction. So

(02:21:25):
if you're meditating to four hundred and forty herds, you
have an eighteen percent stress reduction compared to four hundred
and thirty two HERTS is a thirty eight percent stress reduction,
so little more than double.

Speaker 4 (02:21:38):
Maybe that's what that feeling was, man, when I just
got chills all over my body. Dude, I felt like
I was buzzing.

Speaker 1 (02:21:43):
Dude, like it was me too.

Speaker 4 (02:21:45):
It was very physical. It was a very physical feeling.

Speaker 1 (02:21:48):
And to think that was all brought on by my mind, yeah, yeah,
well agreed upon at least. So it's like, yeah, it's
interesting though, because dude, I feel like whenever you get
that deep into a meditation, like you can get to
a point where literally like the whole purpose in my opinion,

(02:22:08):
or at least in my experience, I know that I'm
there's there's like levels of deepness to meditation, you know
what I mean, Like some feel better, Some put you
in a in a deeper meditative state, and some people
some of them are kind of like lighter but still
kind of do the job. I feel like the deepest

(02:22:29):
part that you can get to, or at least in
my experience, is when you know that your body is asleep.
Mm hmm, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
like it's not a maybe it's like No, your body
thinks that you're asleep right now, and it's just your
awareness is kind of still you know, monitoring.

Speaker 4 (02:22:48):
Which really makes sense man, you know, going into the
whole what what that gentleman was talking about on that
video as far as accessing the the invisible, you know,
accessing that spiritual or ethereal realmance like if your if
your body's asleep, then as far as your mind is concerned,
you are at least farthest a way that you can
be from the physical while still being remaining conscious.

Speaker 1 (02:23:11):
You know, and back with the one.

Speaker 4 (02:23:13):
Yeah, man, that's why it gets you out of the
the the logical and into more of the imaginative or
the you know, I don't know the extra potential if
you will, but but yeah, man, that was deep solid meditation.

Speaker 1 (02:23:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:23:29):
We'll have to do that one again at some point,
like bookmark that bad boy. You know you can lose
it to the dudes.

Speaker 1 (02:23:35):
Yeah, all right, we'll do all right, the one why
I guess we will get out of here and we
will see y'all next Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (02:24:31):
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