February 25, 2025 • 54 mins
NERDS ASSEMBLE! Sean is joined by Billy Sweet of Destruction of a King to talk about Captain America: Brave New World, Cobra Kai, Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man & more!
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umber one and welcome most positive pop culture podcasts in
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guests from the podcast in your music community. We talk
about the latest and greatest and entertain Hira Sean Mottin.
Today we're talking about the latest MCU movie, Captain America
Brave New World. My cost this week is Billy of
Destruction of a King. Welcome back to the show man. Hey,
thank you for having me, buddy. Pleasure to be here.
In a minute.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It has it's been a while, it's been a whole sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, so happy to have you here. And it makes
sense that you're here for this episode. You did with
the Falcon and Winter Soldier after show with me that
is way back, way back and oh my god, that
was three years ago now or four years ago now
of course, where the return of the show. First time listener,
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people find the show. And if you want to deal
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social media at middle core Nerds. And before we kick
off the pop culture talk, we're gonna start the show
like we do every week, with the Moor Song of
the week, and the song will wead This week is
from the band's Soft Spoken. This is their latest single, Invincible.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
After Lasting Good Company. Doesn't matters to all the noise.
I can tune up because so I'm just talking to myself.
I don't want to know.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Is it.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I'm already probably four thousand times. Spin it a ross
the waterway. Tell me dumbing me an.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
You can't pushing me downs, don't aware me down, don't
ma me down anyway.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Don't you don't know?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
So many times I start to look bad at the
steps that I should have taken. No lot fun.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I gos your hand for the strike to stay. Do
not shaken, don't well st fight.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
You can't push me down my don't away, don't turn
me down.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Me went don don't we got me down and he
went on down.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Don't say a question you.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Let's pretend that it's everything, but you will begin my expense.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I'll take myself up and.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I'm not even wish you didn't pushing me down.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
My taps nowhere. Don't I m me down? Me well jo.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Again.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
That was Soft Spoken with their latest single, Invincible. It
is off their new EP, So make sure you go
check out that new EP if you liked that single,
and yes, it is titled after amazing animated series Invincible.
The visualizer has many eclipse from the series. But Billy,
I want to talk about what we currently are watching.
So now watching section where my guests and I talk
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about what we've been watching in the past week or so.
So Billy, I'm let you go first. What have you
been watching?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It just finished Cobra Kai Season six, Part three, amazing.
Cried quite a few times, cheered, like at the top
of my lungs. I was worried because sometimes when I
post earlier reactions sometimes a lot of people don't agree
with me after the show comes out. And I've seen
it on both sides. But I thought it was a
(06:01):
perfect ending. I don't think the show is perfect, but
I never I never think the show is meant to
be perfect.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You know, it's kind of a goofy, over the top,
like oh yeah, kind of soap opera with karate. But
the show knows what it is and it sticks to
being that.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's very self aware. It's very self aware. It's based
off a nineteen eighty four martial arts movie, a karate movie.
If you are invested in these movies, taking it seriously,
is a very like you know, I guess like loose term,
but you know what I mean. Like, if you if
you have been watching these movies since the eighties and
you watch Cobra Kai, Like my parents watched Cobra Kai.
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They love it because they've been They've seen all the movies.
They've you know, they love the storyline. They even saw
the newer one with like Jadeen Smith and they were
like album was good too. So it was like, if
you've been, if you've been invested in these in those
characters and and you know the story of Daniel LaRusso
and Johnny Lawrence for as long as you have, you're
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gonna watch Cobra Kai and you're gonna be Yeah, this
is exactly what I'm getting. I knew what I was
getting myself into, and it's one of those like I actually,
funny enough story. I didn't see the Karate Kid before
I watched Cobra Kai, and then when I watched the
first two seasons of Copra Kai, I binged him in
one day, both of them in one day COVID, you know,
(07:19):
And then I think I did the same thing and
then went back to the car and then went back
to the Karate Kid, and I was like, oh, yeah,
like it's the exact same stuff. It's the exact same
like type of feel, type of vibe and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So yeah, yeah, just the creators did did such a
great job of taking this d man, I think, I
think elevating them to a brand new level. Oh, story
of Johnny Lawrence is I think one of the best
like character studies done in recent time, because it's so
great to see this dude like lost in time basically, yeah,
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all because of a pivotal moment when he was a teenager,
and the whole series is him like finding his purpose
and finding like figuring out his life and yeah, like
that part is like the heart of the show. And
I think like the biggest message it sends is that
you don't need to win things to be a winner,
and no matter what the hand life deals you, you
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can make a good outcome out of it. And like
that's you know, shown through Johnny throwing, shown through Miguel
showing through toy and and on the opposite side, you
see the same thing with like Samantha and Daniel who
kind of have now these like privileged lives, yeah, and
still learn the same lessons their counterparts learned, and I think, yeah,
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it was amazing how they handled that, how they handled
people from different walks of life, and how they all
struggle with life through this crazy, over the top karate work.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, yea, yeah's great.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, I saw a thread literally last night that said
the arc of Johnny Lawrence is the best one in
cinema history.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It's great, like beak, I wouldn't argue that, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And I honestly, after the finale of Cobra Kai, I
wouldn't argue that either, I think honestly, Like, after after
the finale was over, I was like, that's probably one
of the greatest long term story arcs ever.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, like literally ever, Like, even if you aren't familiar
with the movies, I mean I watched them when I
was younger, I haven't rewatched them even since I started
watching Kai. But they do such a great job of
telling you, oh, this is from this moment, not in
a like a super over way, they just they just
show you enough to be like, oh, yeah, this is
from this part in the Cobra Kai franchise. And I
love that because that makes the series that much more
(09:35):
approachable for anyone, absolutely, And I think Netflix is dumb
in a lot of categories. But the smartest thing they did, Yeah,
one of the smartest things they've done is pick up
the series because started off as a YouTube read original
because they used to do original like scripted content, And
they had three seasons done, only two seasons were out,
(09:58):
and they got canceled when the third season was already filmed,
and then Netflix picked it up, put out the first
two seasons, and then like a month later, release season
three because it was already done. Obviously, the height and
excitement of that drove them to be able to finish
the story they wanted to tell in these six seasons
and which they've talked about spinoffs forever. I don't know
if they're coming, And as you watch from the finale,
(10:20):
there is a million spin offs they could do. They
could do a definitely could be off. They could do
a Robbie and Tory spin off, They could do a
Samantha spinoff. They could they could continue on with Johnny
and Daniel in a different show and just call it
something different. They really could keep going with that story,
and it seems like they are keeping going with the
Karate Kid movies. Because Daniel Larrisso is going to show
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up and karate kidd Legacy I think it is that
comes out in May. And they left it in a
perfect way, like the show doesn't exactly set up that movie,
but they left it in a way where where easily
go into that movie and it makes sense and it
doesn't take away from anything Copra Kai did. Yeah. First
I heard the creators Corpora Kai weren't involved at all,
and that had me a little worried. But I guess
(11:05):
they were, like they consulted on the movie to make
sure that nothing was affected and that it's got to
be a big, collected universe and everything makes sense with
what they plan on doing and the movies and in TV.
So okay, I have more faith in it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
No, that that makes me feel a little bit better too.
I yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
So I'm excited to see the movie, honestly and see
me too kind of what it's about, because it's it's
The trailers have been pretty vague, and I like that.
I like when a trailer is vague, but I won't
watch any more trailers. I've kind of sworn off trailers
for the most part. Yeah, me too, because a lot
of them just give too much away, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, currently, well I haven't caught up yet because it
just came out. Is the last two episodes for Spy
Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man. I've been watching that, dude.
I mean, like it's like how X Men ninety seven was,
like just like I thought it was gonna be good,
but I didn't think it was gonna be that good
Like Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man. I'm like, Okay, this
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is gonna be fun, and I'm gonna love this because
I love I love cartoons. I love Spider Man. So
another Spider Man cartoon.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I'm all in.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And you know, I thought it was gonna be a
little bit more lighthearted because this is like technically speaking
Tom Holland Spider Man prior to the events of Infinity
War and Endgame and like almost like congruent with the
Civil War. I thought it was gonna be but a
little bit more lighthearted, you know, just like the normal. Oh,
I'm just a kid in high school and hanging out
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with my friends and this and that and the other.
It's getting like kind of wild for like what I
perceive to be a kids show.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Obviously that that was my like, oh, it's gonna be
a kids show, and then I was just pleasantly surprised.
So it's that there's been a really fun watch. I
don't really like how they're like packing in so many
episodes because it's like, ugh.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
At to watch three episodes, but it's like, oh the
multiple episode drops, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Which is I mean, if it was like two, I'd
be fine with it, but it's like I can spread
them out throughout the week. But like last week when
the three came out, I was so hooked. I'm like,
I gotta keep going. I gotta keep going. I gotta
keep going. And with episode eight, I was just like,
holy shit, dude, I can't wait for these next two
to come out. So hopefully, so hopefully these next two
episodes are a little bit longer. That way I can
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kind of just like be like, no, I don't want
it to end, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I was expecting nothing from that series, even more so
because it was originally, like you said, supposed to be
Tom Holland pre Civil War. But as we've watched the show,
we know this it's completely different universe. Now, like none
of this happened Spider Man, you know what I mean.
And they even echo some MCU things like Kobe Accords.
We see civil war happen on the TV screen, and
(13:50):
Spider Man's involved, even the way he gets his powers,
it's completely different. Instead of Tony starktz Norman Osborne.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, I was about to say that recreation of that
scene from Spider Man Homecoming, I'm like, oh shit, amazing.
And then and then you see who's sitting on the
couch and you're like, oh shit, like that is not
who I thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So that, like I loved it, dude.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
That that's what really got me hooked. I was like, Okay,
so we're this is a whole new thing, Like it's
a it's the same thing, but a new thing.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
And I like that. I think it's cool. Yeah, I
think it is a very very cool take. And it
shocked me of like the little things they've included, do
you know, like having like teasing doc Oc and uh,
having Scorpion in the way he's involved in it, and
even having Norman Osborne be involved with Spider Man again
in media is just awesome. Like I love that that's
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happening again.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
And in the context of how he's involved. I think
it's super cool too. Yeah, I totally agree, same with
Harry Harry Osborne too.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah. The way it ends, I'm not gonna spoil because
I watched the finals episodes. The way it ends, it's
in such a like everything seems right with that dynamic, okay,
and as we've known in previous iterations, that can turn
out very bad. So I'm very curious to see how
that can. Because it's already been green light for seasons
(15:14):
two and season three, so we're getting, Wow, two more
seasons of this. Okay, awesome, Like after I thought that
was so weird because I think they announced that before
it even came out, Like the week came out, they
announced that it was there's real seasons two and three
and Okay, after watching like a handful episodes, I was like, oh,
hell yeah, I'll take as many more seasons than this
(15:36):
as they want to give me, Like, I'll take as
many as they can dish out. Coleman Domingo voices Norman.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Osbourn in the show, which, by the way, did not
know that was him. He's the best, he is so great,
He's amazing.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I don't know Coleman Domingo. He's been nominated for Best
Actor the last two years, if that says anything about
his acting prowess, Yes, and I am praying that he
becomes them. You know, when I wasborn. There's been so
many talks of him coming into the MCU proper live
action for years now, and I want him to be
(16:09):
the MCU Norman Osborne alongside. Yeah, yeah, yeah, to act
alongside to fucking love that, Yeah, dude.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
A thousand. I would I would love that.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
That'd be great. I want it. I want to want
to do so much. You're gonna be stoked once you
watch the finale because they do kind of wrap some
stuff up, and the way certain things playing together is
a very interesting, Like everything this show does is just
feels so interesting and fresh and new, even though it's
like a very familiar thing where you used to. I mean,
(16:44):
all of us have been watching Spider Man content our
entire lives, so it just feels like an awesome amalgamation
of all of it while still being something completely new. Dude.
Like the last like fifteen twenty minutes is just like
set up after setup after setup for like what's coming,
and it's awesome, Like I am like every scene, I'm like,
let's go.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I just even love the tie ins to the Raimi
trilogy that they do with like the subtle you know,
like not like just the dialogue, the dialogue and like
you know, just like like when uh Norman Od's born
if spoiler if you haven't seen it, but like when
he was like, with great power comes great respect, and
I was like, oh, okay, I thought he was gonna
(17:27):
say responsibility. But just even that alone, even the the
pizza place is called pizza Time, and I'm like, hey,
we know what that is. So it's like so it's
like even just those little nods like hey, if you know,
you know, like that's That's also another reason why I
really like it. And like I just love the like
certain characters that show up that have cameos how it's
(17:50):
like their original character design, like from the comics and
not like the MCU accurate ones. Uh So I really
enjoyed that about it too. It's kind of like how
an X Men ninety seven and when spoilerler we haven't
seen that either, when like Iron Man and Captain America
show up in that and it's like their original nineties
character designs. I was like, holy shit, dude, come on,
(18:12):
it's just like it's coming together so nicely and I
can't wait to finish it. I'll probably finish it by
to night for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah. Yeah, I think so. It's great. It's very very good.
Sif if you've been sleeping on your friendly nervous spider man.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Wake up, wake up and watch it. So my girlfriend
and I, whenever we hang out, we like to watch
like classic Disney movies. So I've been I've been rewatching
a lot of Disney animated classics. So like, for example,
you watched like The Hunchbacker Notre Dame, and that's a
movie I haven't seen since. I was like since it
came out. Bro, that is a that is a that
is a dark movie. That movie is like kind of freaky,
(18:50):
and I don't want to say I didn't like it,
but I was just like, I think, I'm okay never
watching this again. Rewatch hercules. Haven't seen that in a
long time. We started to watch the Indiana Jones Trilogy,
the original Indiana Jones Trilogy, because I haven't seen I
haven't seen those movies in like twenty years. Because we
just went to Disneyland for Valentine's Day, and you know,
(19:13):
we just swear in a Indiana Jones moved because we
had written the ride, and we're.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Like, we should watch those movies.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And I've always said this, and I told her this,
I go, they should have made You've been to disney
Land though, right, Sean? Yep, yes, yes, yes, have you
written the Indiana Jones ride only once?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
But it was pretty dope?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, okay, So I have always said this, and I
don't know why Disney didn't do this, probably because they
would ruin it. But they should make the Temple of
the Forbidden Eye the ride. They should actually make that
a movie.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, it seems like they're kind of done on the
Indiana which.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Is which is which is fine, Which is fine. That
should have been it should have been done after the
Last Crusade.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
But that's just me.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
The White Lotus just came back. Yellow Jackets is back,
so I'm trying to try to keep up with that.
I have not caught up with either of those yet,
but we'll be getting there soon. I watched the premiere
of Luit Lotus. It's the first season I'm watching live.
I believe I binged the first two seasons and I
may have caught up near the end of season two
when it was airing live, and I think I watched
(20:16):
maybe the last few episodes live.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I didn't love the first episode, if I'm being honest.
I think the opening is really cool and like enticing,
but the rest of it, I don't know. It just
felt like, like the way it ended, I was like,
that's it. I don't think that's the feeling I had
my interinet. I don't know, right, I don't know. Maybe
it's because I'm used to binging them. I don't know,
because I know they definitely definitely are.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That show is a slow burn for the most part,
like you really have to stick with it, and you're
more or less watching it because I mean, this is
I mean, why would why wouldn't you watch any other
show that has to do with all the characters and
all the stories that they're going through and all the
uncomfortableness and the awkwardness. I ram that first season of
The White Loads, though, holy dude, second season I love too.
(21:02):
Oh yeah, it was amazing. Second season was really good,
But that first season like kind of like nothing can
touch it.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
That's in my opinion. Though. Other than that, I've seen
all of Reacher Season three, but by the time this
comes out, I think the first two episodes will be out.
If you're a Reacher fan, you're gonna love the season.
It's just Alan Richard being the fuck out of people.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Again, didn't that guy from Blue Mountain State that is
that he's him?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, but he plays this super intelligent but also ungodly
brute in this series, and he's just great that It's
not like the best thing I've ever watched, but it's
just solid TV. This one has like an air of
comedy to it where it doesn't is not like it's like,
(21:46):
hah funny, but it doesn't take itself too seriously. And
I think that's been the big appeals that it has.
All these actions, have pieces, all this kind of intrigue,
but then it also like doesn't take itself too seriously,
and I think that's why so many people get attracted
to Reacher. Season one is great. Season two I think
is good, but it's weird because they're all based on books.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
The first season was based on the first book. The
second season was based on the eleventh book, and it
kind of deals with the thing that happens in his
past and the way it culminates seems like it's too
big for a season two, especially when season one is
kind of he stumbles into this town and it's kind
of like a Western where he like stumbles in the
town and then helps the town right, and then season
(22:27):
two is just this crazy, all out wild like a
military espionage war. And then season three is kind of
an amalgamation of the two, but it kind of brings
back return to form. But yeah, if you're a Reacher fan,
you're in a love Reacher season three. I watched this.
It's an Apple TV movie. It's called The Gorge and
it stars Miles Teller and Andy Taylor Joy. It's directed
(22:48):
by Scott Dereckson, who might know directed Doctor Strange too.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Is it a horror movie?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yes and no. Okay, I don't want to give too
much away because the main premise is that Molestila and
Tannler Joy get picked to guard these towers that both
overlook this gorge, and they know really nothing of this mission,
and then they have this kind of like romance connection
(23:20):
between each other, like almost like star cross lovers, and
then it kind of turns into this completely different movie.
Scoorny Weavers also in it pretty cool, Okay, But I
don't want to give too much away because I want
you to go. I want if people are going to
watch this movie, I would say going as blind as possible,
because I think you'll enjoy it more. The Gorge isn't
like straight up horror or anything. It has horror elements, okay,
(23:42):
It's more of kind of like a sci fi thriller
with horror and also romance in it. It's a very
crazy meld. But I thought it was okay. I wanted
to love it because all the pieces set up for
something great, but at the end, I just felt like
it was missing something. I don't really know what. Like
(24:03):
I said, it does kind of take very big leaps
in genre, like very drastically, and maybe that was it.
Maybe I wish they kind of made it a little
more cohesive or maybe explored some certain things a little
bit more. But there is It's still worth a watch.
It's a solid movie, okay. But yeah, let's get into
Captain America Brave the World. Well, let's do it. I
want to get your general thoughts on this movie. We
(24:24):
were talking a little bit before recording, and it's kind
of seemed like the movie people wanted to hate. But yeah,
after all their reactions came out, it seemed to be
a lot more positive than people were expecting.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Absolutely, And yeah, like I was telling you kind of
off camera, it was like, I felt like people wanted
this movie to fail. And I don't understand why anyone
who likes Captain America or loves to MCU or Marvel
in general, why they would want a movie to fail.
I mean, I know why people some people wanted it
(24:58):
to fail, and I believe you do too, And I'm
gonna say why because.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
There's no need, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I feel like people just people do not like change,
and they're just like, well, if this movie, I'm not
gonna watch it because it's not what I want. And
it's like, okay, well it's not all about you, okay,
But for me, I was. I love the Captain America.
(25:25):
Like anything that has to do with Captain in America,
The Captain America trilogy in the Infinity Saga is some
of the best movies in general. The First Avenger is amazing,
Captain America, The Winter Soldier is my favorite MCU movie,
and Civil War, I mean, come on, like that's just
like obviously that's like such an amazing film in the
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MCU and then The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is
at the top of my list, like top three of
the MCU television series. With that being said, I was
always looking forward to the future of Captain America and
Sam Wilson being Captain America because you know, in The
Falcon and Winter Soldier they talk about, you know, oh,
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even though Sam Wilson is Captain in America now, like
the world may not want him to be Captain America,
but he is Captain America, you know. And even Sam
himself is like, I don't deserve the shield, and you
know everyone around him is like, yes you do. See
Rogers pick you, and like just that inner conflict that
he had. I'm just like, I'm so invested in it,
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and this movie I felt like just was another piece
of the puzzle added to that, and I just I
love the way it came out. It kind of reminded
me of like the like Phase one of the of
the Infinity saga. Just the way that the movie was shot,
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kind of the just like the overall vibe. That's what
I got from it, Like I got like MCU Phase
one vibes from it. With the Multiverse saga obviously implanted
in there as well. So I genuinely had a great
time with this movie. Obviously looking forward to what more
we get to see with Sam Wilson's Captain America.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah. The movie definitely tees him up to
be the leader of the Avengers, definitely, yeah, which I
very much enjoy especially there was an episode of What
If where the Avengers had mechsuits and he was the
leader of the Avengers, which I thought was great, kind
of like tee up for that to see him in
the leadership role, so I'm very excited to that. I
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also really liked the movie. Obviously, I think it has
its flaws, but I think most of the movie most
movies have flaws absolutely, so that's fine. But I walked
out of it feeling like the MCU felt connected again,
and I don't think I've felt that in a long time.
I agree, just the way, you know, like, obviously it
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has ties into Eternals, it has ties in a Black
Widow as ties into the Incredible Hulk. It hasn't ties
into obviously all of the Captain America movies. Like it
just felt like the MCU felt like a cohesive thing again. Yeah,
I don't think I can say that about anything post endgame,
but everything needed to fall apart in order for it
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to get put back together again. I think the Marvels
did a little bit of what I'm talking about, where
it kind of you saw a bunch of worlds connecting
and things like that. What kind Of Forever also did
a little bit. But the difference with those two movies
is that the climaxes of those movies took place in
places where the world of the MCU didn't know what
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was going on and can't the macer bringing world. It
was in the middle of Washington, d C. The White
House got destroyed from it like it was a very
public thing, and I think that's important for that to happen,
so that the rest of the MCU is kind of
aware of what the fuck's going on as we do.
Like that is a very important thing. I think that's
the big difference between those two because I think those
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two movies did what kind Of did politically I think
is a big deal and is obviously Valentina's involvement in
that is going to bleed over into Thunderbolts, and her
involvement started in the Falcon, the Winter Soldier, So there
has been that through line in her involvement in Hawkeye
with Elena. It's like things are now finally starting to
come together. So like I thought Secret Invasion was gonna
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do that, like things are like, oh, things are gonna
start coming together. But Secret Invasion was a trash pile
and made no sense in Yeah, the only pointless mcuth
that I think I've watched, which sucks, but it's bobs
what it is. Even financially, the movie is doing fairly well.
I think the big tell is going to be its
second weekend to see what the drop off is, because
there's always a drop off when you have movies that
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make have a high opening weekend. It's always there. But
it made around two hundred worldwide, which should Reportedly their
production budget was one eighty I know. The whole reshoot
thing and the many writers attached to the movie is
a big controversial talking point. Believe me, the Internet I
loved to tell me that I'm wrong when thhr of
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all places reported that was one hundred and eighty budget,
and then some other people said it wasn't. I don't
know what, Yeah, yeah, some things. A lot of people
forget is that I think the original shooting got halted
from the writer as an actor strike. So yeah, one
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of the sets of reshoots wasn't even a reshoot, it
was really them finishing the movie. Yeah, the other reshoots
that happened were already going to happen, they just got
pushed back again because of the strike. So yeah, the director,
I don't know if this is a pr move or whatever.
The director has kind of stated there was no quote
unquote additional reshoots. It was just the reshoots that were
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always supposed to happen. So if that's the case, then
the production budget probably is one hundred and eighty million,
and if they made that back opening weekend pretty good.
As long as they don't drop off drastically second weekend
and keep holding it, then it'll be a solid win
for them. But we'll see. I think one of the
biggest wins of this movie is just Anthony Mackie is
Sam Wilson, like, yeah, himself as Captain America. Obviously he
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still kind of has a little bit of doubts, like
he did it in The Falcon worre Soldier, But I
mean that's gonna happen, you know, you especially when you're
like working with the president and the President's like fuck off,
like two minutes later, like yeah right, yeah again, he
still never stopped. He went into this thing. Yeah, you know,
help save the day. And that's what Captain America does.
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And I'm gonna be honest, I did not expect Bucky
to be in this movie. I was actually like, oh no,
but I'm glad he was in the movie. Oh dude.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And the fact that he is gonna be a congressman,
like that's that's cool, Congressman James Buchanan Barnes, that is
that has a nice ring to it.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Man.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
No, for real, though like I didn't like, I kind
of was.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I wasn't really hoping this, but like I did, really,
Bucky Barnes is one of my favorite characters in the MCU,
has been ever since since Civil War. When when I
was watching this movie, I was like, man, I really
wish Bucky was in this movie with him like I
basically a continuation of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier,
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just in film format, and I was like, man, I
really hope that. I really wish that he was in
this movie. And then like almost instantly after I had
that thought. He walked into the room and I was like,
oh snappy, you know, I was just like, here he is.
I'm like, but I'm like, he's probably not going to
be in anything more than this than this scene in
the film. But then again, Thunderbolts comes out in May,
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and that's only a couple months away, like two and
a half months away, so it's like, I can wait.
But it was really nice to see Bucky in the
film for as long as we got him.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, And it kind of explains why he wasn't involved
within the movie, because it's like, yeah, right, writing to
become a congressman. That's why he wasn't involved in the
events of the movie. And you know, like joking Torres,
the New Falcon is yeah, right, And they both work
for the government still, Like even when you see kind
of like cap Headquarters, it's like it's a government facility,
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Like you can tell that he's continued his government contracts
that he's been working on since The Falcon Soldier, and
that's what he's doing just as Captain America, which I
think is great. I think it's cool. And there's even
that line between him and Joaquin and they have like
a really heartfelt conversation at the end of the movie,
and he kind of they talk about like the difference
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between him and Steve Rogers, and they're like, yeah, Steve
Rogers was something someone that like inspired people, but you're
what people can aspire to be. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, damn,
that's a good seed.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
That's deep, man.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, it makes perfect sense because he's just a dude.
You know, He's just a dude. I mean, obviously he's
a highly trained, highly skilled dude who has insane equipment disposal,
but he's still a dude.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
He's just a guy.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
He's not even like Tony stark where it's like Tony
Starker's obviously just a a man, but he's a billionaire
and like a genius. Sam Wilson is like kind of
the everyday guy. You know, he went in the military,
he did his thing. Like he's just a guy. And
I think that's important to It's it's like Hawkeye, you know,
like Hawkeye is just a dude, and he's like a
grounded element of the Avengers. And I love that we
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have this new version of Captain America and then we
could get to continue it on. It folds to me
that even with this movie sets up that people are
still doubting that he's gonna be the leader of the Avengers,
and like they literally say in the movie like numerous times, Yeah,
do you think that he's already confirmed to be in
both Avengers movies? You think he's just gonna give up
and they're gonna fire for him? What is wrong with like, like.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Literally one of the first things that President Ross at
the time tells him is he's just like, I want
to get the Avengers back together, and I want you
to do it. So it's like, what do you think
he's not gonna be the fucking leader of the Avengers?
Come on, of course he is. Who else? Who else could?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I agree? I totally agree?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
And what with the characters that we do have in
NCU right now, who do you think who else could.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Be the leader? I cards maybe, And.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
No offense to her. As much as I love Carol Danvers,
it's gonna be Captain America.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I really love what Harrison Ford did with Thunderbolt Ross.
Obviously he replaced the late great William Hurt. William Hurt
was such like a stern, like cold motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I loved him though. Man, he was like that that
that's like when I think of like a character like that,
that's He's the one person that you would expect to
pull that off.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Great.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I love when Anthony mcmans like, I I'm I'm not
or I'm getting used to the new look without the mustache,
and I was like, ah, I love that. Yeah, oh yeah,
that's true.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
The meta nod. But I think what Harrison Ford brought
to this role is that he's such a great actor.
He bought He brought this real like empathy with the
character that you can like really look towards him to
be like, this dude really is trying to change, and
you kind of feel bad for him, you know in
a lot in a lot of moments like he's just
he just wants to talk to his daughter and do
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what's right for the country, and he just gets caught
up in this terrible scheme and his past mistakes ketch
up to him with believe that. Yeah, as I did
find it very interesting that he stepped down from being
a president. By the end, I was like, WHOA did
not see that going?
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, I mean I was, Uh, I forgot exactly who
I was who I was listening to. But when they
were talking about after he turned into Red Hulk that
after those events he stepped down as president. It's like, yeah,
the country needs to move on, needs to heal, Like
I think any sensible person would have done that. And
given that in this film, President Ross was trying to
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make amends with his his estranged daughter essentially, Uh, you know,
he's trying to turn his life around and not have
that persona of Thunderbolt Ross. He's trying to you know,
turn over a new leave. The fact that he did
step down I think just that just added more to
to his arc as a as a character.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
It was a great arc and it makes me wonder
if we're ever going to see him again. But I
do have like a weird theory about this. So obviously
he was trying to set up a government let Avengers,
which became kind of like Isaiah Bradley, which Isaiah Bradley
in this movie. Oh jeez again, thanks Carl Lovely. Uh,
incredible action. I will say, if you've watched this movie
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and didn't watch The Falcon Were Soldier, there's definitely moments
that won't hit it. Yeah. Yeah, definitely, Like the bucket
scene hit me like a brick wall and the scene
with him eventually getting Isaiah Bradley out of jail again,
which ye was really it was really really great. But
I think is going to pick up or they left
off trying to form a government led Avengers. She's bought
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Avengers Tower. She's already set in the stage for that,
and in the new trailer she says, you know, the
Avengers aren't coming, so obviously Sam hasn't formed his new
Avengers yet. He's probably kind of working on that. I
would I would assume we'll see how that kind of
culminates and where that is leading to as we get
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to Avengers Doomsday. Really think that part of the asterisk,
which I know there's been like a poster came out
and the asterisks said, it's like the Avengers aren't available
or something, right. I mean, maybe we get a report
that they have formed and they're just doing something else.
I have no idea, or they just won't be formed.
It'll be one of the dealer And I really do
think that at the end they'll be kind of unveiled
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whoever's left, because I definitely think some people are gonna
die in that movie. They will be called the Avengers,
and I feel like that might cause some turmoil between
obviously Sam Wilson's new newly formed or will newly be
afformed Avengers and then this government pled Avengers. I think
there's gonna be some you know, big kind of clashing
of the two worlds. Yeah, you think maybe that's like
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the secret thing is that all these people being collected
aren't even the ones in the New Avengers. And then
it's all just like because the Dark Avengers in the
comics are like all villains, and while some of them
that we've seen have been villains kind of turned out
to not be villains, like task Master and Ghost and
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even John Walker and in ways we're kind of like
the antagonist and then you kind of just saw they
were misunderstood or went down the wrong path a little bit.
But like, maybe there could be a whole other team
that Val is setting up. Maybe includes Red Hulk, maybe
it includes Abomination, maybe it includes Zemo. Like we have
no idea we know that Vale was working with Zemo
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and stuff like that, so it's like, maybe there's more
to this Thunderbolts movie than we even know. Correct kind
of cool, cool, but I really do think the point
of that is to set up a government led Avengers
kind of.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Like, yeah, the boys, you know, yeah, to kind of
to kind of branch off what you were saying with
the Dark Avengers. A coworker of mine and I were
talking about Thunderbolts the film coming up and the asterisk
and what it meant, and he theorizes that, so also
to branch off in the trailer the newest trailer for
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the Thunderbolts where Red Guardian says we are the Thunderbolts,
and then Bucky was like, we can't call ourselves that.
So his thinking and my thinking kind of paralleled each other. Basically,
I'm like, okay, well they can't call themselves the Thunderbolts
because Thunderbolt Ross, the nickname that was given to Daddius Ross,
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has a negative connotation to it, obviously, and so if
people he, oh, there's a group of these so called
villains calling themselves the Thunderbolts, well they're probably going to
be bad people, so they don't want to be branded
as that. Like Bucky is kind of like, you know,
this whole new person, you know, Yelena, same thing she's
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you know, and Red guard everybody is like, they're not
bad people. They're just misunderstood, as you said. So he
thinks the reason why that there's an asterisk is that
by the end of this movie they are going to
be called the Dark Avengers, that that's what they're going
to be called. I like your theory as well, saying
that it's going to be called they're going to be
called the Avengers, and then that's gonna clash. But he
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he is saying that they're going to call themselves the
Dark Avengers at the end of the Thunderbolts movie, or
that that that Moniker is going to be given to them.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
It's very possible. But I also feel like the Dark
Avengers also has a negative connotation. Yes, I know it does, but.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's just it's still fun to think about, Like it's possible.
That would be really cool, you know.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
And I definitely thought that because that trailer came out
before Brave New World and the whole line of Bucky
being like, we can't call ourselves that, and now it
makes perfect sense. Of course they're not going to call
themselves that dude just turned into a giant red Hulk
and destroy half of DC. Of course they're not. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that was a nice little through line because I have
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theorized that these these two movies are going to be
more connected than we think and always kind of proving
to be true. Oh yeah, a lot of different kind
of ways than I think we imagined. We got to
close out on this post credit scene, which includes Sam
Wilson talking to the Leader, which obviously the Leader Samuel
Stearn's big, big loose connection from The Incredible Hulk back
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at the Dawn of the MCU, and the way they
played in this movie I thought was really well, how
they hit him, he saved thunderbaut Ross's life, which is
a connections to him talking about his heart, which he's
talked about and thinks of a war. He talked about
how they you know, like a politician would gave him
a promise and then didn't deliver on the promise, and
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once he didn't deliver, he just said, well, fuck you, yeah,
I'm gonna I'm gonna make you yeah. And I really
like that connection. Honestly, I thought it was a really
cool connections through line throughout the movie, like everyone's kind
of reasons for what they were doing made sense within
the world of the MCU. But at the end he's
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talking to the Leader and this I did not see coming.
Pretty much. The Leader tells him that there's a multiverse
and that it's all gonna come crashing down on us.
He pretty much the Hulk at the end of Infinity
War Thanos is coming to Sam Wilson, I did not
expect it to come in this movie, and I did
not expect it to come from the Leader, But seeing
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as he is like a fucking hyper genius, of course
he would know of the multiverse and know that something
is coming. I mean, he told he's the reason Rosscott
elected as president. Like, the dude obviously has a very
sound mind as far as it comes to like what's
going to happen in probabilities and everything like that. I
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saw a lot of people say it was pointless, and
I was like, I feel like this is one of
the first like MCU post credits scenes that actually like
delivered a promise and what's to come, rather than just
introducing a new character that we'll probably never see again
or just being like a random whatever thing. Like I
felt like, I was like, oh, Okay, now we're moving
towards Advengers Doomsday. Cool. I kind of thought like maybe
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doctor Strange or ant Man would talk about the multiversal god,
he thought, but it was the leader. Yeah, would you
think of the postcritcine?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I was confused by it, But now that you just
kind of now that you just talked about it more,
it now makes sense because I kind of was just like, wait,
I don't really understand, like what the point of all
this is. I thought maybe Captain America already kind of
knew about the multiverse and all that type of stuff,
so I was just like, why is what is the
But now after hearing your explanation of it all, it's
kind of like, Okay, now that makes a lot more sense.
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But yeah, honestly, and this is kind of my own fault,
but I was just like, okay, like usually the post
credit scene, something fucking crazy happens and nothing really crazy happened.
So I was just kind of like a little underwhelmed
by the post credit scene. But interesting with now with
your explanation of it all, now I'm like, okay, no,
that makes more sense now. So that originally was my thought.
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I was just kind of like kind of feels like
mah to me, you know, But now it's like, Okay,
that makes more sense, Like it is teasing, like what
is to come, like with doomsday and secret wars and
you know whatever else that could happen, Like holy shit,
like we have no idea what's gonna happen, Like I'm
fucking I'm stoked, me too.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
And that's like the weird part is that we know
all this stuff's going on as fans because we've watched
all these series and movies, but like no one in
the mainline MCU has talked to each other about this
in that is true. That is just the first time
it's been reference between two characters, Like obviously Doctor Strange,
like Spider Man knows about the multiverse, but like he
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doesn't know the threat that is coming. He thought he
fixed it by by letting no one know who Doctor
Strange is off traveling the Dark Dimension with Clia trying
to fix incursions, so he didn't tell anyone. Obviously the
Wan Wong kind of knows about the multiverse, but maybe
he didn't coming either, And the big one is ant Man,
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like what are you doing, Doc? Like you thought Maybe
it's because he thought he saved the day and he
didn't want to share that he met this crazy threat
and that whole weird paranoid thing at the end of Quantumania.
Maybe he's just like I think it's I think I
fixed it, and he's just too embarrassed to bring it
up because he's just man.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Move.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, maybe that's the case. There is a wild theory
with ant Man, okay, kind of a lot of some
of the Phase four and Phase five stuff is that
some of them have ranched into alternate universes and they're
not even in the same universe anymore, which is crazy.
Could be true. I kind of doubt it. I think
that might be a little too confusing for people to
deal with. But I would kind of like if ant
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Man like wound up in a different universe at the
end of quantum Mania. Yeah, he's just not there. That'd
be kind of fun, but that would be I don't
really obviously, I think Paul's gonna be involved in these movies.
I mean he saved Yeah, he saved the world an endgame.
It was all him, he sure did.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
It was all him.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
So just saying he's the reason Tony Stark invented time travel,
that is true. In fact, it's a fact. That is
just a great hero. Yes, we'll see what's going on.
I know there's like weird stuff with. I don't think
Evangeline Lily is ever coming back. I don't know, maybe
kind of apparently her as a human is not great,
(47:53):
so kind of reasons to be honest. But we'll see,
we'll see where it goes. You know. The the proposed
cast for Doomsday and Secret Wars is like ungodly insane.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
I mean, it's gonna be it's gonna be literally everybody
they can pull together. It's gonna be nuts.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
So I'm excited to see what they do. Like, I
feel like, not that I thought the MCU is off track,
but I think they hit a few snacks in the
road and things are are now on the right path
moving forward. I mean, we got Daredevil Born Again coming
in a few weeks, and then, like we said, we
got Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four coming this summer. So it's
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things are looking bright. I would say, I definitely will.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
I was talking about this again with the same coworker
that I was talking about. The theory that I had
earlier is like we both said after this film that
it feels like we're going back on track, like this
was a course correcting movie, that it's like everything once
was that felt disjointed, it's starting to come together again,
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which like a lot of people will say that that
the Infinity Saga was like that, and to a degree,
I do agree that it not necessarily felt disjointed, but
not everything in the beginning phases of the MCU, like
phases one and two, were always very cohesive, like they
kind of just like movies came out and then they
found their footing, and then that led to Phase three
(49:25):
and then fucking the greatest films of all time in Superheroes.
But now we're starting to get to that point where
now it feels like the Multiverse saga is coming to
more of like the all of the paths that we
were once on are now going to come together, and
we're going to get to this final destination of Secret Wars,
(49:45):
and it's gonna be grand, Like it's gonna be such
a grand finale to that saga. I think we and
I'm you know, whatever they decide to do afterwards, which
like I don't even want to think about because that's
just I.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Mean, obviously yes.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
And oh, by the way, speaking of that, I loved
that when it came to the Celestial the Celestial Island,
that the resource that they were trying to extract from
it was adamantium, and I was like, oh shit, there
has been no mention of the X Men in the
MCU so far. In Miss Marvel we got Kamala Khan
(50:26):
as a mutant that that was mentioned, but no as
m yes, yes, and uh Wakinda forever. And then you know,
in the multi Verse and Madness, we had Charles Patrick
Stewart's Charles, but again no mention of X Men period.
Yes we had Wolverine and Dead Pull and Wolverine, but
again that was you know, a blending of the universe
(50:49):
together that that, but it was not MCU like you know,
or there was no mention of the X Men in
the MCU in the six one sixth timeline or anything
like that. If we're talking about in con text at
the Sacred timeline, this is the first mention of or
well not a first mention, but like this would be
that is a good what I believe to be a
good uh segue to introduce the X Men. It's like, oh,
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the Celestial Island had the adamantium, which will then lead
to hopefully wepon x yes, and that would be insane
if that is the first line of story that they
choose to go with.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
For X Men. Be very stoked.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
I was.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
I kind of had this weird after I knew Adamantim
was gonna be involved in the movie, I was like, oh, man,
I wonder if they'll introduce like Striker or something within them.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
That's what I was.
Speaker 5 (51:38):
I was.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
I was kind of I was kind of thinking. I
was kind of thinking that maybe that they were going
to introduce him in this movie as well because of that,
like maybe he was gonna, you know, Ross was gonna
recruit him or like that would have been Like I
kind of thought that would have been what the post
credit scene would be, where like Striker goes to the
(52:01):
raft and he talks to Ross while he's inside the raft,
and you know, Ross.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Is like, hey, there's a guy, you know what I mean,
Like I'm fine with him waiting. Billy, thank you so
much for joining me on the show again. It's been
great to catch up nerd Wise. Oh absolutely, dude, Yes,
thank you for having me on. I mean I literally
when you were like, hey, do you have time to
do the pod?
Speaker 2 (52:21):
I was like, for you, of course I do.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
What the fuck what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (52:26):
I have all the time in the world.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Buddy, you're the best. But before you here, yeah, plug
what you got going on, whether it's personally or with
your bands, plug away.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yes, So you know, my my bands are just you know,
we're we're uh, Destruction of a King. We have a
show coming up on March first with Death by Stereo
and Ignite and Dare at the Haven and Pomona, So
that's gonna be a lot of fun. We actually have
practice for that tonight and next week, so that'll be
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that's coming up.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
And then my other band called Deer Adversary, which is
a like early two thousands melodic hardcore style band. We
are releasing songs here and there. We have two songs
out right now on Spotify, and we just finished up
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writing our third single that'll probably come out sometime next month.
Follow us on our instagrams if you want to follow
Destruction of a King, it's just Destruction of a King.
And then Dear Adversary just look up Dear Adversary and
we're out there too. And then other than that, dude,
I don't really have all that much going on, but
if any bands need mixing or mastering done, call me up.
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Find me on. You can find me on Instagram at
Billy Sweet unders Billy Sweet Underscore for all of your
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Hell yeah, hit it, my dude, have a mix.
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Thank you, thank you, I'm trying.
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Today we're talking about the latest MCU movie, Captain America
Brave New World. My cost this week is Billy of
Destruction of a King. Welcome back to the show man. Hey,
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In a minute.
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It has it's been a while, it's been a whole sorry.
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Yeah, so happy to have you here. And it makes
sense that you're here for this episode. You did with
the Falcon and Winter Soldier after show with me that
is way back, way back and oh my god, that
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social media at middle core Nerds. And before we kick
off the pop culture talk, we're gonna start the show
like we do every week, with the Moor Song of
the week, and the song will wead This week is
from the band's Soft Spoken. This is their latest single, Invincible.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
After Lasting Good Company. Doesn't matters to all the noise.
I can tune up because so I'm just talking to myself.
I don't want to know.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Is it.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I'm already probably four thousand times. Spin it a ross
the waterway. Tell me dumbing me an.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
You can't pushing me downs, don't aware me down, don't
ma me down anyway.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Don't you don't know?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
So many times I start to look bad at the
steps that I should have taken. No lot fun.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I gos your hand for the strike to stay. Do
not shaken, don't well st fight.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
You can't push me down my don't away, don't turn
me down.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Me went don don't we got me down and he
went on down.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Don't say a question you.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Let's pretend that it's everything, but you will begin my expense.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I'll take myself up and.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I'm not even wish you didn't pushing me down.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
My taps nowhere. Don't I m me down? Me well jo.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Again.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
That was Soft Spoken with their latest single, Invincible. It
is off their new EP, So make sure you go
check out that new EP if you liked that single,
and yes, it is titled after amazing animated series Invincible.
The visualizer has many eclipse from the series. But Billy,
I want to talk about what we currently are watching.
So now watching section where my guests and I talk
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about what we've been watching in the past week or so.
So Billy, I'm let you go first. What have you
been watching?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It just finished Cobra Kai Season six, Part three, amazing.
Cried quite a few times, cheered, like at the top
of my lungs. I was worried because sometimes when I
post earlier reactions sometimes a lot of people don't agree
with me after the show comes out. And I've seen
it on both sides. But I thought it was a
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perfect ending. I don't think the show is perfect, but
I never I never think the show is meant to
be perfect.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You know, it's kind of a goofy, over the top,
like oh yeah, kind of soap opera with karate. But
the show knows what it is and it sticks to
being that.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's very self aware. It's very self aware. It's based
off a nineteen eighty four martial arts movie, a karate movie.
If you are invested in these movies, taking it seriously,
is a very like you know, I guess like loose term,
but you know what I mean. Like, if you if
you have been watching these movies since the eighties and
you watch Cobra Kai, Like my parents watched Cobra Kai.
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They love it because they've been They've seen all the movies.
They've you know, they love the storyline. They even saw
the newer one with like Jadeen Smith and they were
like album was good too. So it was like, if
you've been, if you've been invested in these in those
characters and and you know the story of Daniel LaRusso
and Johnny Lawrence for as long as you have, you're
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gonna watch Cobra Kai and you're gonna be Yeah, this
is exactly what I'm getting. I knew what I was
getting myself into, and it's one of those like I actually,
funny enough story. I didn't see the Karate Kid before
I watched Cobra Kai, and then when I watched the
first two seasons of Copra Kai, I binged him in
one day, both of them in one day COVID, you know,
(07:19):
And then I think I did the same thing and
then went back to the car and then went back
to the Karate Kid, and I was like, oh, yeah,
like it's the exact same stuff. It's the exact same
like type of feel, type of vibe and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So yeah, yeah, just the creators did did such a
great job of taking this d man, I think, I
think elevating them to a brand new level. Oh, story
of Johnny Lawrence is I think one of the best
like character studies done in recent time, because it's so
great to see this dude like lost in time basically, yeah,
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all because of a pivotal moment when he was a teenager,
and the whole series is him like finding his purpose
and finding like figuring out his life and yeah, like
that part is like the heart of the show. And
I think like the biggest message it sends is that
you don't need to win things to be a winner,
and no matter what the hand life deals you, you
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can make a good outcome out of it. And like
that's you know, shown through Johnny throwing, shown through Miguel
showing through toy and and on the opposite side, you
see the same thing with like Samantha and Daniel who
kind of have now these like privileged lives, yeah, and
still learn the same lessons their counterparts learned, and I think, yeah,
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it was amazing how they handled that, how they handled
people from different walks of life, and how they all
struggle with life through this crazy, over the top karate work.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, yea, yeah's great.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, I saw a thread literally last night that said
the arc of Johnny Lawrence is the best one in
cinema history.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It's great, like beak, I wouldn't argue that, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And I honestly, after the finale of Cobra Kai, I
wouldn't argue that either, I think honestly, Like, after after
the finale was over, I was like, that's probably one
of the greatest long term story arcs ever.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, like literally ever, Like, even if you aren't familiar
with the movies, I mean I watched them when I
was younger, I haven't rewatched them even since I started
watching Kai. But they do such a great job of
telling you, oh, this is from this moment, not in
a like a super over way, they just they just
show you enough to be like, oh, yeah, this is
from this part in the Cobra Kai franchise. And I
love that because that makes the series that much more
(09:35):
approachable for anyone, absolutely, And I think Netflix is dumb
in a lot of categories. But the smartest thing they did, Yeah,
one of the smartest things they've done is pick up
the series because started off as a YouTube read original
because they used to do original like scripted content, And
they had three seasons done, only two seasons were out,
(09:58):
and they got canceled when the third season was already filmed,
and then Netflix picked it up, put out the first
two seasons, and then like a month later, release season
three because it was already done. Obviously, the height and
excitement of that drove them to be able to finish
the story they wanted to tell in these six seasons
and which they've talked about spinoffs forever. I don't know
if they're coming, And as you watch from the finale,
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there is a million spin offs they could do. They
could do a definitely could be off. They could do
a Robbie and Tory spin off, They could do a
Samantha spinoff. They could they could continue on with Johnny
and Daniel in a different show and just call it
something different. They really could keep going with that story,
and it seems like they are keeping going with the
Karate Kid movies. Because Daniel Larrisso is going to show
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up and karate kidd Legacy I think it is that
comes out in May. And they left it in a
perfect way, like the show doesn't exactly set up that movie,
but they left it in a way where where easily
go into that movie and it makes sense and it
doesn't take away from anything Copra Kai did. Yeah. First
I heard the creators Corpora Kai weren't involved at all,
and that had me a little worried. But I guess
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they were, like they consulted on the movie to make
sure that nothing was affected and that it's got to
be a big, collected universe and everything makes sense with
what they plan on doing and the movies and in TV.
So okay, I have more faith in it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
No, that that makes me feel a little bit better too.
I yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
So I'm excited to see the movie, honestly and see
me too kind of what it's about, because it's it's
The trailers have been pretty vague, and I like that.
I like when a trailer is vague, but I won't
watch any more trailers. I've kind of sworn off trailers
for the most part. Yeah, me too, because a lot
of them just give too much away, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, currently, well I haven't caught up yet because it
just came out. Is the last two episodes for Spy
Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man. I've been watching that, dude.
I mean, like it's like how X Men ninety seven was,
like just like I thought it was gonna be good,
but I didn't think it was gonna be that good
Like Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man. I'm like, Okay, this
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is gonna be fun, and I'm gonna love this because
I love I love cartoons. I love Spider Man. So
another Spider Man cartoon.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I'm all in.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And you know, I thought it was gonna be a
little bit more lighthearted because this is like technically speaking
Tom Holland Spider Man prior to the events of Infinity
War and Endgame and like almost like congruent with the
Civil War. I thought it was gonna be but a
little bit more lighthearted, you know, just like the normal. Oh,
I'm just a kid in high school and hanging out
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with my friends and this and that and the other.
It's getting like kind of wild for like what I
perceive to be a kids show.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Obviously that that was my like, oh, it's gonna be
a kids show, and then I was just pleasantly surprised.
So it's that there's been a really fun watch. I
don't really like how they're like packing in so many
episodes because it's like, ugh.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
At to watch three episodes, but it's like, oh the
multiple episode drops, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Which is I mean, if it was like two, I'd
be fine with it, but it's like I can spread
them out throughout the week. But like last week when
the three came out, I was so hooked. I'm like,
I gotta keep going. I gotta keep going. I gotta
keep going. And with episode eight, I was just like,
holy shit, dude, I can't wait for these next two
to come out. So hopefully, so hopefully these next two
episodes are a little bit longer. That way I can
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kind of just like be like, no, I don't want
it to end, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I was expecting nothing from that series, even more so
because it was originally, like you said, supposed to be
Tom Holland pre Civil War. But as we've watched the show,
we know this it's completely different universe. Now, like none
of this happened Spider Man, you know what I mean.
And they even echo some MCU things like Kobe Accords.
We see civil war happen on the TV screen, and
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Spider Man's involved, even the way he gets his powers,
it's completely different. Instead of Tony starktz Norman Osborne.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, I was about to say that recreation of that
scene from Spider Man Homecoming, I'm like, oh shit, amazing.
And then and then you see who's sitting on the
couch and you're like, oh shit, like that is not
who I thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So that, like I loved it, dude.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
That that's what really got me hooked. I was like, Okay,
so we're this is a whole new thing, Like it's
a it's the same thing, but a new thing.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
And I like that. I think it's cool. Yeah, I
think it is a very very cool take. And it
shocked me of like the little things they've included, do
you know, like having like teasing doc Oc and uh,
having Scorpion in the way he's involved in it, and
even having Norman Osborne be involved with Spider Man again
in media is just awesome. Like I love that that's
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happening again.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
And in the context of how he's involved. I think
it's super cool too. Yeah, I totally agree, same with
Harry Harry Osborne too.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah. The way it ends, I'm not gonna spoil because
I watched the finals episodes. The way it ends, it's
in such a like everything seems right with that dynamic, okay,
and as we've known in previous iterations, that can turn
out very bad. So I'm very curious to see how
that can. Because it's already been green light for seasons
(15:14):
two and season three, so we're getting, Wow, two more
seasons of this. Okay, awesome, Like after I thought that
was so weird because I think they announced that before
it even came out, Like the week came out, they
announced that it was there's real seasons two and three
and Okay, after watching like a handful episodes, I was like, oh,
hell yeah, I'll take as many more seasons than this
(15:36):
as they want to give me, Like, I'll take as
many as they can dish out. Coleman Domingo voices Norman.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Osbourn in the show, which, by the way, did not
know that was him. He's the best, he is so great,
He's amazing.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I don't know Coleman Domingo. He's been nominated for Best
Actor the last two years, if that says anything about
his acting prowess, Yes, and I am praying that he
becomes them. You know, when I wasborn. There's been so
many talks of him coming into the MCU proper live
action for years now, and I want him to be
(16:09):
the MCU Norman Osborne alongside. Yeah, yeah, yeah, to act
alongside to fucking love that, Yeah, dude.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
A thousand. I would I would love that.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
That'd be great. I want it. I want to want
to do so much. You're gonna be stoked once you
watch the finale because they do kind of wrap some
stuff up, and the way certain things playing together is
a very interesting, Like everything this show does is just
feels so interesting and fresh and new, even though it's
like a very familiar thing where you used to. I mean,
(16:44):
all of us have been watching Spider Man content our
entire lives, so it just feels like an awesome amalgamation
of all of it while still being something completely new. Dude.
Like the last like fifteen twenty minutes is just like
set up after setup after setup for like what's coming,
and it's awesome, Like I am like every scene, I'm like,
let's go.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I just even love the tie ins to the Raimi
trilogy that they do with like the subtle you know,
like not like just the dialogue, the dialogue and like
you know, just like like when uh Norman Od's born
if spoiler if you haven't seen it, but like when
he was like, with great power comes great respect, and
I was like, oh, okay, I thought he was gonna
(17:27):
say responsibility. But just even that alone, even the the
pizza place is called pizza Time, and I'm like, hey,
we know what that is. So it's like so it's
like even just those little nods like hey, if you know,
you know, like that's That's also another reason why I
really like it. And like I just love the like
certain characters that show up that have cameos how it's
(17:50):
like their original character design, like from the comics and
not like the MCU accurate ones. Uh So I really
enjoyed that about it too. It's kind of like how
an X Men ninety seven and when spoilerler we haven't
seen that either, when like Iron Man and Captain America
show up in that and it's like their original nineties
character designs. I was like, holy shit, dude, come on,
(18:12):
it's just like it's coming together so nicely and I
can't wait to finish it. I'll probably finish it by
to night for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah. Yeah, I think so. It's great. It's very very good.
Sif if you've been sleeping on your friendly nervous spider man.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Wake up, wake up and watch it. So my girlfriend
and I, whenever we hang out, we like to watch
like classic Disney movies. So I've been I've been rewatching
a lot of Disney animated classics. So like, for example,
you watched like The Hunchbacker Notre Dame, and that's a
movie I haven't seen since. I was like since it
came out. Bro, that is a that is a that
is a dark movie. That movie is like kind of freaky,
(18:50):
and I don't want to say I didn't like it,
but I was just like, I think, I'm okay never
watching this again. Rewatch hercules. Haven't seen that in a
long time. We started to watch the Indiana Jones Trilogy,
the original Indiana Jones Trilogy, because I haven't seen I
haven't seen those movies in like twenty years. Because we
just went to Disneyland for Valentine's Day, and you know,
(19:13):
we just swear in a Indiana Jones moved because we
had written the ride, and we're.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Like, we should watch those movies.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And I've always said this, and I told her this,
I go, they should have made You've been to disney
Land though, right, Sean? Yep, yes, yes, yes, have you
written the Indiana Jones ride only once?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
But it was pretty dope?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, okay, So I have always said this, and I
don't know why Disney didn't do this, probably because they
would ruin it. But they should make the Temple of
the Forbidden Eye the ride. They should actually make that
a movie.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, it seems like they're kind of done on the
Indiana which.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Is which is which is fine, Which is fine. That
should have been it should have been done after the
Last Crusade.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
But that's just me.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
The White Lotus just came back. Yellow Jackets is back,
so I'm trying to try to keep up with that.
I have not caught up with either of those yet,
but we'll be getting there soon. I watched the premiere
of Luit Lotus. It's the first season I'm watching live.
I believe I binged the first two seasons and I
may have caught up near the end of season two
when it was airing live, and I think I watched
(20:16):
maybe the last few episodes live.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I didn't love the first episode, if I'm being honest.
I think the opening is really cool and like enticing,
but the rest of it, I don't know. It just
felt like, like the way it ended, I was like,
that's it. I don't think that's the feeling I had
my interinet. I don't know, right, I don't know. Maybe
it's because I'm used to binging them. I don't know,
because I know they definitely definitely are.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That show is a slow burn for the most part,
like you really have to stick with it, and you're
more or less watching it because I mean, this is
I mean, why would why wouldn't you watch any other
show that has to do with all the characters and
all the stories that they're going through and all the
uncomfortableness and the awkwardness. I ram that first season of
The White Loads, though, holy dude, second season I love too.
(21:02):
Oh yeah, it was amazing. Second season was really good,
But that first season like kind of like nothing can
touch it.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
That's in my opinion. Though. Other than that, I've seen
all of Reacher Season three, but by the time this
comes out, I think the first two episodes will be out.
If you're a Reacher fan, you're gonna love the season.
It's just Alan Richard being the fuck out of people.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Again, didn't that guy from Blue Mountain State that is
that he's him?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, but he plays this super intelligent but also ungodly
brute in this series, and he's just great that It's
not like the best thing I've ever watched, but it's
just solid TV. This one has like an air of
comedy to it where it doesn't is not like it's like,
(21:46):
hah funny, but it doesn't take itself too seriously. And
I think that's been the big appeals that it has.
All these actions, have pieces, all this kind of intrigue,
but then it also like doesn't take itself too seriously,
and I think that's why so many people get attracted
to Reacher. Season one is great. Season two I think
is good, but it's weird because they're all based on books.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
The first season was based on the first book. The
second season was based on the eleventh book, and it
kind of deals with the thing that happens in his
past and the way it culminates seems like it's too
big for a season two, especially when season one is
kind of he stumbles into this town and it's kind
of like a Western where he like stumbles in the
town and then helps the town right, and then season
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two is just this crazy, all out wild like a
military espionage war. And then season three is kind of
an amalgamation of the two, but it kind of brings
back return to form. But yeah, if you're a Reacher fan,
you're in a love Reacher season three. I watched this.
It's an Apple TV movie. It's called The Gorge and
it stars Miles Teller and Andy Taylor Joy. It's directed
(22:48):
by Scott Dereckson, who might know directed Doctor Strange too.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Is it a horror movie?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yes and no. Okay, I don't want to give too
much away because the main premise is that Molestila and
Tannler Joy get picked to guard these towers that both
overlook this gorge, and they know really nothing of this mission,
and then they have this kind of like romance connection
(23:20):
between each other, like almost like star cross lovers, and
then it kind of turns into this completely different movie.
Scoorny Weavers also in it pretty cool, Okay, But I
don't want to give too much away because I want
you to go. I want if people are going to
watch this movie, I would say going as blind as possible,
because I think you'll enjoy it more. The Gorge isn't
like straight up horror or anything. It has horror elements, okay,
(23:42):
It's more of kind of like a sci fi thriller
with horror and also romance in it. It's a very
crazy meld. But I thought it was okay. I wanted
to love it because all the pieces set up for
something great, but at the end, I just felt like
it was missing something. I don't really know what. Like
(24:03):
I said, it does kind of take very big leaps
in genre, like very drastically, and maybe that was it.
Maybe I wish they kind of made it a little
more cohesive or maybe explored some certain things a little
bit more. But there is It's still worth a watch.
It's a solid movie, okay. But yeah, let's get into
Captain America Brave the World. Well, let's do it. I
want to get your general thoughts on this movie. We
(24:24):
were talking a little bit before recording, and it's kind
of seemed like the movie people wanted to hate. But yeah,
after all their reactions came out, it seemed to be
a lot more positive than people were expecting.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Absolutely, And yeah, like I was telling you kind of
off camera, it was like, I felt like people wanted
this movie to fail. And I don't understand why anyone
who likes Captain America or loves to MCU or Marvel
in general, why they would want a movie to fail.
I mean, I know why people some people wanted it
(24:58):
to fail, and I believe you do too, And I'm
gonna say why because.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
There's no need, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I feel like people just people do not like change,
and they're just like, well, if this movie, I'm not
gonna watch it because it's not what I want. And
it's like, okay, well it's not all about you, okay,
But for me, I was. I love the Captain America.
(25:25):
Like anything that has to do with Captain in America,
The Captain America trilogy in the Infinity Saga is some
of the best movies in general. The First Avenger is amazing,
Captain America, The Winter Soldier is my favorite MCU movie,
and Civil War, I mean, come on, like that's just
like obviously that's like such an amazing film in the
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MCU and then The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is
at the top of my list, like top three of
the MCU television series. With that being said, I was
always looking forward to the future of Captain America and
Sam Wilson being Captain America because you know, in The
Falcon and Winter Soldier they talk about, you know, oh,
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even though Sam Wilson is Captain in America now, like
the world may not want him to be Captain America,
but he is Captain America, you know. And even Sam
himself is like, I don't deserve the shield, and you
know everyone around him is like, yes you do. See
Rogers pick you, and like just that inner conflict that
he had. I'm just like, I'm so invested in it,
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and this movie I felt like just was another piece
of the puzzle added to that, and I just I
love the way it came out. It kind of reminded
me of like the like Phase one of the of
the Infinity saga. Just the way that the movie was shot,
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kind of the just like the overall vibe. That's what
I got from it, Like I got like MCU Phase
one vibes from it. With the Multiverse saga obviously implanted
in there as well. So I genuinely had a great
time with this movie. Obviously looking forward to what more
we get to see with Sam Wilson's Captain America.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah. The movie definitely tees him up to
be the leader of the Avengers, definitely, yeah, which I
very much enjoy especially there was an episode of What
If where the Avengers had mechsuits and he was the
leader of the Avengers, which I thought was great, kind
of like tee up for that to see him in
the leadership role, so I'm very excited to that. I
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also really liked the movie. Obviously, I think it has
its flaws, but I think most of the movie most
movies have flaws absolutely, so that's fine. But I walked
out of it feeling like the MCU felt connected again,
and I don't think I've felt that in a long time.
I agree, just the way, you know, like, obviously it
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has ties into Eternals, it has ties in a Black
Widow as ties into the Incredible Hulk. It hasn't ties
into obviously all of the Captain America movies. Like it
just felt like the MCU felt like a cohesive thing again. Yeah,
I don't think I can say that about anything post endgame,
but everything needed to fall apart in order for it
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to get put back together again. I think the Marvels
did a little bit of what I'm talking about, where
it kind of you saw a bunch of worlds connecting
and things like that. What kind Of Forever also did
a little bit. But the difference with those two movies
is that the climaxes of those movies took place in
places where the world of the MCU didn't know what
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was going on and can't the macer bringing world. It
was in the middle of Washington, d C. The White
House got destroyed from it like it was a very
public thing, and I think that's important for that to happen,
so that the rest of the MCU is kind of
aware of what the fuck's going on as we do.
Like that is a very important thing. I think that's
the big difference between those two because I think those
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two movies did what kind Of did politically I think
is a big deal and is obviously Valentina's involvement in
that is going to bleed over into Thunderbolts, and her
involvement started in the Falcon, the Winter Soldier, So there
has been that through line in her involvement in Hawkeye
with Elena. It's like things are now finally starting to
come together. So like I thought Secret Invasion was gonna
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do that, like things are like, oh, things are gonna
start coming together. But Secret Invasion was a trash pile
and made no sense in Yeah, the only pointless mcuth
that I think I've watched, which sucks, but it's bobs
what it is. Even financially, the movie is doing fairly well.
I think the big tell is going to be its
second weekend to see what the drop off is, because
there's always a drop off when you have movies that
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make have a high opening weekend. It's always there. But
it made around two hundred worldwide, which should Reportedly their
production budget was one eighty I know. The whole reshoot
thing and the many writers attached to the movie is
a big controversial talking point. Believe me, the Internet I
loved to tell me that I'm wrong when thhr of
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all places reported that was one hundred and eighty budget,
and then some other people said it wasn't. I don't
know what, Yeah, yeah, some things. A lot of people
forget is that I think the original shooting got halted
from the writer as an actor strike. So yeah, one
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of the sets of reshoots wasn't even a reshoot, it
was really them finishing the movie. Yeah, the other reshoots
that happened were already going to happen, they just got
pushed back again because of the strike. So yeah, the director,
I don't know if this is a pr move or whatever.
The director has kind of stated there was no quote
unquote additional reshoots. It was just the reshoots that were
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always supposed to happen. So if that's the case, then
the production budget probably is one hundred and eighty million,
and if they made that back opening weekend pretty good.
As long as they don't drop off drastically second weekend
and keep holding it, then it'll be a solid win
for them. But we'll see. I think one of the
biggest wins of this movie is just Anthony Mackie is
Sam Wilson, like, yeah, himself as Captain America. Obviously he
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still kind of has a little bit of doubts, like
he did it in The Falcon worre Soldier, But I
mean that's gonna happen, you know, you especially when you're
like working with the president and the President's like fuck off,
like two minutes later, like yeah right, yeah again, he
still never stopped. He went into this thing. Yeah, you know,
help save the day. And that's what Captain America does.
(31:30):
And I'm gonna be honest, I did not expect Bucky
to be in this movie. I was actually like, oh no,
but I'm glad he was in the movie. Oh dude.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And the fact that he is gonna be a congressman,
like that's that's cool, Congressman James Buchanan Barnes, that is
that has a nice ring to it.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Man.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
No, for real, though like I didn't like, I kind
of was.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I wasn't really hoping this, but like I did, really,
Bucky Barnes is one of my favorite characters in the MCU,
has been ever since since Civil War. When when I
was watching this movie, I was like, man, I really
wish Bucky was in this movie with him like I
basically a continuation of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier,
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just in film format, and I was like, man, I
really hope that. I really wish that he was in
this movie. And then like almost instantly after I had
that thought. He walked into the room and I was like,
oh snappy, you know, I was just like, here he is.
I'm like, but I'm like, he's probably not going to
be in anything more than this than this scene in
the film. But then again, Thunderbolts comes out in May,
(32:40):
and that's only a couple months away, like two and
a half months away, so it's like, I can wait.
But it was really nice to see Bucky in the
film for as long as we got him.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, And it kind of explains why he wasn't involved
within the movie, because it's like, yeah, right, writing to
become a congressman. That's why he wasn't involved in the
events of the movie. And you know, like joking Torres,
the New Falcon is yeah, right, And they both work
for the government still, Like even when you see kind
of like cap Headquarters, it's like it's a government facility,
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Like you can tell that he's continued his government contracts
that he's been working on since The Falcon Soldier, and
that's what he's doing just as Captain America, which I
think is great. I think it's cool. And there's even
that line between him and Joaquin and they have like
a really heartfelt conversation at the end of the movie,
and he kind of they talk about like the difference
(33:29):
between him and Steve Rogers, and they're like, yeah, Steve
Rogers was something someone that like inspired people, but you're
what people can aspire to be. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, damn,
that's a good seed.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
That's deep, man.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, it makes perfect sense because he's just a dude.
You know, He's just a dude. I mean, obviously he's
a highly trained, highly skilled dude who has insane equipment disposal,
but he's still a dude.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
He's just a guy.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
He's not even like Tony stark where it's like Tony
Starker's obviously just a a man, but he's a billionaire
and like a genius. Sam Wilson is like kind of
the everyday guy. You know, he went in the military,
he did his thing. Like he's just a guy. And
I think that's important to It's it's like Hawkeye, you know,
like Hawkeye is just a dude, and he's like a
grounded element of the Avengers. And I love that we
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have this new version of Captain America and then we
could get to continue it on. It folds to me
that even with this movie sets up that people are
still doubting that he's gonna be the leader of the Avengers,
and like they literally say in the movie like numerous times, Yeah,
do you think that he's already confirmed to be in
both Avengers movies? You think he's just gonna give up
and they're gonna fire for him? What is wrong with like, like.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Literally one of the first things that President Ross at
the time tells him is he's just like, I want
to get the Avengers back together, and I want you
to do it. So it's like, what do you think
he's not gonna be the fucking leader of the Avengers?
Come on, of course he is. Who else? Who else could?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I agree? I totally agree?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
And what with the characters that we do have in
NCU right now, who do you think who else could.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Be the leader? I cards maybe, And.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
No offense to her. As much as I love Carol Danvers,
it's gonna be Captain America.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I really love what Harrison Ford did with Thunderbolt Ross.
Obviously he replaced the late great William Hurt. William Hurt
was such like a stern, like cold motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I loved him though. Man, he was like that that
that's like when I think of like a character like that,
that's He's the one person that you would expect to
pull that off.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Great.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I love when Anthony mcmans like, I I'm I'm not
or I'm getting used to the new look without the mustache,
and I was like, ah, I love that. Yeah, oh yeah,
that's true.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
The meta nod. But I think what Harrison Ford brought
to this role is that he's such a great actor.
He bought He brought this real like empathy with the
character that you can like really look towards him to
be like, this dude really is trying to change, and
you kind of feel bad for him, you know in
a lot in a lot of moments like he's just
he just wants to talk to his daughter and do
(36:22):
what's right for the country, and he just gets caught
up in this terrible scheme and his past mistakes ketch
up to him with believe that. Yeah, as I did
find it very interesting that he stepped down from being
a president. By the end, I was like, WHOA did
not see that going?
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, I mean I was, Uh, I forgot exactly who
I was who I was listening to. But when they
were talking about after he turned into Red Hulk that
after those events he stepped down as president. It's like, yeah,
the country needs to move on, needs to heal, Like
I think any sensible person would have done that. And
given that in this film, President Ross was trying to
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make amends with his his estranged daughter essentially, Uh, you know,
he's trying to turn his life around and not have
that persona of Thunderbolt Ross. He's trying to you know,
turn over a new leave. The fact that he did
step down I think just that just added more to
to his arc as a as a character.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
It was a great arc and it makes me wonder
if we're ever going to see him again. But I
do have like a weird theory about this. So obviously
he was trying to set up a government let Avengers,
which became kind of like Isaiah Bradley, which Isaiah Bradley
in this movie. Oh jeez again, thanks Carl Lovely. Uh,
incredible action. I will say, if you've watched this movie
(37:42):
and didn't watch The Falcon Were Soldier, there's definitely moments
that won't hit it. Yeah. Yeah, definitely, Like the bucket
scene hit me like a brick wall and the scene
with him eventually getting Isaiah Bradley out of jail again,
which ye was really it was really really great. But
I think is going to pick up or they left
off trying to form a government led Avengers. She's bought
(38:04):
Avengers Tower. She's already set in the stage for that,
and in the new trailer she says, you know, the
Avengers aren't coming, so obviously Sam hasn't formed his new
Avengers yet. He's probably kind of working on that. I
would I would assume we'll see how that kind of
culminates and where that is leading to as we get
(38:26):
to Avengers Doomsday. Really think that part of the asterisk,
which I know there's been like a poster came out
and the asterisks said, it's like the Avengers aren't available
or something, right. I mean, maybe we get a report
that they have formed and they're just doing something else.
I have no idea, or they just won't be formed.
It'll be one of the dealer And I really do
think that at the end they'll be kind of unveiled
(38:49):
whoever's left, because I definitely think some people are gonna
die in that movie. They will be called the Avengers,
and I feel like that might cause some turmoil between
obviously Sam Wilson's new newly formed or will newly be
afformed Avengers and then this government pled Avengers. I think
there's gonna be some you know, big kind of clashing
of the two worlds. Yeah, you think maybe that's like
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the secret thing is that all these people being collected
aren't even the ones in the New Avengers. And then
it's all just like because the Dark Avengers in the
comics are like all villains, and while some of them
that we've seen have been villains kind of turned out
to not be villains, like task Master and Ghost and
(39:36):
even John Walker and in ways we're kind of like
the antagonist and then you kind of just saw they
were misunderstood or went down the wrong path a little bit.
But like, maybe there could be a whole other team
that Val is setting up. Maybe includes Red Hulk, maybe
it includes Abomination, maybe it includes Zemo. Like we have
no idea we know that Vale was working with Zemo
(39:59):
and stuff like that, so it's like, maybe there's more
to this Thunderbolts movie than we even know. Correct kind
of cool, cool, but I really do think the point
of that is to set up a government led Avengers
kind of.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Like, yeah, the boys, you know, yeah, to kind of
to kind of branch off what you were saying with
the Dark Avengers. A coworker of mine and I were
talking about Thunderbolts the film coming up and the asterisk
and what it meant, and he theorizes that, so also
to branch off in the trailer the newest trailer for
(40:33):
the Thunderbolts where Red Guardian says we are the Thunderbolts,
and then Bucky was like, we can't call ourselves that.
So his thinking and my thinking kind of paralleled each other. Basically,
I'm like, okay, well they can't call themselves the Thunderbolts
because Thunderbolt Ross, the nickname that was given to Daddius Ross,
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has a negative connotation to it, obviously, and so if
people he, oh, there's a group of these so called
villains calling themselves the Thunderbolts, well they're probably going to
be bad people, so they don't want to be branded
as that. Like Bucky is kind of like, you know,
this whole new person, you know, Yelena, same thing she's
(41:17):
you know, and Red guard everybody is like, they're not
bad people. They're just misunderstood, as you said. So he
thinks the reason why that there's an asterisk is that
by the end of this movie they are going to
be called the Dark Avengers, that that's what they're going
to be called. I like your theory as well, saying
that it's going to be called they're going to be
called the Avengers, and then that's gonna clash. But he
(41:38):
he is saying that they're going to call themselves the
Dark Avengers at the end of the Thunderbolts movie, or
that that that Moniker is going to be given to them.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
It's very possible. But I also feel like the Dark
Avengers also has a negative connotation. Yes, I know it does, but.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's just it's still fun to think about, Like it's possible.
That would be really cool, you know.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
And I definitely thought that because that trailer came out
before Brave New World and the whole line of Bucky
being like, we can't call ourselves that, and now it
makes perfect sense. Of course they're not going to call
themselves that dude just turned into a giant red Hulk
and destroy half of DC. Of course they're not. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that was a nice little through line because I have
(42:25):
theorized that these these two movies are going to be
more connected than we think and always kind of proving
to be true. Oh yeah, a lot of different kind
of ways than I think we imagined. We got to
close out on this post credit scene, which includes Sam
Wilson talking to the Leader, which obviously the Leader Samuel
Stearn's big, big loose connection from The Incredible Hulk back
(42:48):
at the Dawn of the MCU, and the way they
played in this movie I thought was really well, how
they hit him, he saved thunderbaut Ross's life, which is
a connections to him talking about his heart, which he's
talked about and thinks of a war. He talked about
how they you know, like a politician would gave him
a promise and then didn't deliver on the promise, and
(43:08):
once he didn't deliver, he just said, well, fuck you, yeah,
I'm gonna I'm gonna make you yeah. And I really
like that connection. Honestly, I thought it was a really
cool connections through line throughout the movie, like everyone's kind
of reasons for what they were doing made sense within
the world of the MCU. But at the end he's
(43:31):
talking to the Leader and this I did not see coming.
Pretty much. The Leader tells him that there's a multiverse
and that it's all gonna come crashing down on us.
He pretty much the Hulk at the end of Infinity
War Thanos is coming to Sam Wilson, I did not
expect it to come in this movie, and I did
not expect it to come from the Leader, But seeing
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as he is like a fucking hyper genius, of course
he would know of the multiverse and know that something
is coming. I mean, he told he's the reason Rosscott
elected as president. Like, the dude obviously has a very
sound mind as far as it comes to like what's
going to happen in probabilities and everything like that. I
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saw a lot of people say it was pointless, and
I was like, I feel like this is one of
the first like MCU post credits scenes that actually like
delivered a promise and what's to come, rather than just
introducing a new character that we'll probably never see again
or just being like a random whatever thing. Like I
felt like, I was like, oh, Okay, now we're moving
towards Advengers Doomsday. Cool. I kind of thought like maybe
(44:33):
doctor Strange or ant Man would talk about the multiversal god,
he thought, but it was the leader. Yeah, would you
think of the postcritcine?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I was confused by it, But now that you just
kind of now that you just talked about it more,
it now makes sense because I kind of was just like, wait,
I don't really understand, like what the point of all
this is. I thought maybe Captain America already kind of
knew about the multiverse and all that type of stuff,
so I was just like, why is what is the
But now after hearing your explanation of it all, it's
kind of like, Okay, now that makes a lot more sense.
(45:04):
But yeah, honestly, and this is kind of my own fault,
but I was just like, okay, like usually the post
credit scene, something fucking crazy happens and nothing really crazy happened.
So I was just kind of like a little underwhelmed
by the post credit scene. But interesting with now with
your explanation of it all, now I'm like, okay, no,
that makes more sense now. So that originally was my thought.
(45:27):
I was just kind of like kind of feels like
mah to me, you know, But now it's like, Okay,
that makes more sense, Like it is teasing, like what
is to come, like with doomsday and secret wars and
you know whatever else that could happen, Like holy shit,
like we have no idea what's gonna happen, Like I'm
fucking I'm stoked, me too.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
And that's like the weird part is that we know
all this stuff's going on as fans because we've watched
all these series and movies, but like no one in
the mainline MCU has talked to each other about this
in that is true. That is just the first time
it's been reference between two characters, Like obviously Doctor Strange,
like Spider Man knows about the multiverse, but like he
(46:09):
doesn't know the threat that is coming. He thought he
fixed it by by letting no one know who Doctor
Strange is off traveling the Dark Dimension with Clia trying
to fix incursions, so he didn't tell anyone. Obviously the
Wan Wong kind of knows about the multiverse, but maybe
he didn't coming either, And the big one is ant Man,
(46:29):
like what are you doing, Doc? Like you thought Maybe
it's because he thought he saved the day and he
didn't want to share that he met this crazy threat
and that whole weird paranoid thing at the end of Quantumania.
Maybe he's just like I think it's I think I
fixed it, and he's just too embarrassed to bring it
up because he's just man.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Move.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, maybe that's the case. There is a wild theory
with ant Man, okay, kind of a lot of some
of the Phase four and Phase five stuff is that
some of them have ranched into alternate universes and they're
not even in the same universe anymore, which is crazy.
Could be true. I kind of doubt it. I think
that might be a little too confusing for people to
deal with. But I would kind of like if ant
(47:12):
Man like wound up in a different universe at the
end of quantum Mania. Yeah, he's just not there. That'd
be kind of fun, but that would be I don't
really obviously, I think Paul's gonna be involved in these movies.
I mean he saved Yeah, he saved the world an endgame.
It was all him, he sure did.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
It was all him.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
So just saying he's the reason Tony Stark invented time travel,
that is true. In fact, it's a fact. That is
just a great hero. Yes, we'll see what's going on.
I know there's like weird stuff with. I don't think
Evangeline Lily is ever coming back. I don't know, maybe
kind of apparently her as a human is not great,
(47:53):
so kind of reasons to be honest. But we'll see,
we'll see where it goes. You know. The the proposed
cast for Doomsday and Secret Wars is like ungodly insane.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
I mean, it's gonna be it's gonna be literally everybody
they can pull together. It's gonna be nuts.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
So I'm excited to see what they do. Like, I
feel like, not that I thought the MCU is off track,
but I think they hit a few snacks in the
road and things are are now on the right path
moving forward. I mean, we got Daredevil Born Again coming
in a few weeks, and then, like we said, we
got Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four coming this summer. So it's
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things are looking bright. I would say, I definitely will.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
I was talking about this again with the same coworker
that I was talking about. The theory that I had
earlier is like we both said after this film that
it feels like we're going back on track, like this
was a course correcting movie, that it's like everything once
was that felt disjointed, it's starting to come together again,
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which like a lot of people will say that that
the Infinity Saga was like that, and to a degree,
I do agree that it not necessarily felt disjointed, but
not everything in the beginning phases of the MCU, like
phases one and two, were always very cohesive, like they
kind of just like movies came out and then they
found their footing, and then that led to Phase three
(49:25):
and then fucking the greatest films of all time in Superheroes.
But now we're starting to get to that point where
now it feels like the Multiverse saga is coming to
more of like the all of the paths that we
were once on are now going to come together, and
we're going to get to this final destination of Secret Wars,
(49:45):
and it's gonna be grand, Like it's gonna be such
a grand finale to that saga. I think we and
I'm you know, whatever they decide to do afterwards, which
like I don't even want to think about because that's
just I.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Mean, obviously yes.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
And oh, by the way, speaking of that, I loved
that when it came to the Celestial the Celestial Island,
that the resource that they were trying to extract from
it was adamantium, and I was like, oh shit, there
has been no mention of the X Men in the
MCU so far. In Miss Marvel we got Kamala Khan
(50:26):
as a mutant that that was mentioned, but no as
m yes, yes, and uh Wakinda forever. And then you know,
in the multi Verse and Madness, we had Charles Patrick
Stewart's Charles, but again no mention of X Men period.
Yes we had Wolverine and Dead Pull and Wolverine, but
again that was you know, a blending of the universe
(50:49):
together that that, but it was not MCU like you know,
or there was no mention of the X Men in
the MCU in the six one sixth timeline or anything
like that. If we're talking about in con text at
the Sacred timeline, this is the first mention of or
well not a first mention, but like this would be
that is a good what I believe to be a
good uh segue to introduce the X Men. It's like, oh,
(51:10):
the Celestial Island had the adamantium, which will then lead
to hopefully wepon x yes, and that would be insane
if that is the first line of story that they
choose to go with.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
For X Men. Be very stoked.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
I was.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
I kind of had this weird after I knew Adamantim
was gonna be involved in the movie, I was like, oh, man,
I wonder if they'll introduce like Striker or something within them.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
That's what I was.
Speaker 5 (51:38):
I was.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
I was kind of I was kind of thinking. I
was kind of thinking that maybe that they were going
to introduce him in this movie as well because of that,
like maybe he was gonna, you know, Ross was gonna
recruit him or like that would have been Like I
kind of thought that would have been what the post
credit scene would be, where like Striker goes to the
(52:01):
raft and he talks to Ross while he's inside the raft,
and you know, Ross.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Is like, hey, there's a guy, you know what I mean,
Like I'm fine with him waiting. Billy, thank you so
much for joining me on the show again. It's been
great to catch up nerd Wise. Oh absolutely, dude, Yes,
thank you for having me on. I mean I literally
when you were like, hey, do you have time to
do the pod?
Speaker 2 (52:21):
I was like, for you, of course I do.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
What the fuck what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (52:26):
I have all the time in the world.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Buddy, you're the best. But before you here, yeah, plug
what you got going on, whether it's personally or with
your bands, plug away.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yes, So you know, my my bands are just you know,
we're we're uh, Destruction of a King. We have a
show coming up on March first with Death by Stereo
and Ignite and Dare at the Haven and Pomona, So
that's gonna be a lot of fun. We actually have
practice for that tonight and next week, so that'll be
(52:57):
that's coming up.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
And then my other band called Deer Adversary, which is
a like early two thousands melodic hardcore style band. We
are releasing songs here and there. We have two songs
out right now on Spotify, and we just finished up
(53:19):
writing our third single that'll probably come out sometime next month.
Follow us on our instagrams if you want to follow
Destruction of a King, it's just Destruction of a King.
And then Dear Adversary just look up Dear Adversary and
we're out there too. And then other than that, dude,
I don't really have all that much going on, but
if any bands need mixing or mastering done, call me up.
(53:42):
Find me on. You can find me on Instagram at
Billy Sweet unders Billy Sweet Underscore for all of your
audio engineering needs.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Hell yeah, hit it, my dude, have a mix.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Thank you, thank you, I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Hey man, that's all you can do. I appreciate that,
of course. And if you want to support the podcast,
you go to Millerer dot com. All our links are
there in wazy place. If you want to follow me
on our personal account, it's just at Sean XMN on
Instagram and Twitter. Until next time, see you lay in nerds.
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