May 20, 2025 • 40 mins
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What's Up one and one of the most positive pop
culture podcasts in the multiverse Metal core Nerds. Each week
I have a guest from the podcast in your Music,
Meaning we talk about the latest and greatest entertainment.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I'm yl Sean Mattin. Today we're talking about our favorite
TV shows of twenty twenty five so far. My co
is this week our Jacob and Ethan of Thorn Hill.
Welcome to the show, guys.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Very stoked to have you guys here.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
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the middle of tour, so I appreciate you taking your
time to talk nerd stuff with me under the circumstances,
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coore Nerds. Before we in the pop culture talk, we're
gonna kick off the show like we do every episode
with the mal cor Nerds song of the week, and
the song of the week this week is from the
band Execution Day. This is their latest single.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
That the same book store against the shot replaying.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Jo the steam see the sunny now they're still hiding.
Doesn't sail from monstairsday, g b.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
S tell me the short devil statue.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Baf back at the side, get.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
A from I think I'm going.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
After John, Jessie you cast ups, thank you.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Jas.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Silence overcomes silence. Get cartain cars jocos just like cack
b Job cars. That drives my gas.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Get away away if I.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Think I'm cat for Ga Cassie Job, cast up lost.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Can just give the moisturn.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Before break out. The sads got away, You run away.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Do your jail. I think you're got it Die ju
Cat Die jo Ja before up got this side, got
away away from jail.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Again. That was execution Day with their latest single Monster,
I feel like what you hear. Go check out more
of the band and make sure you support them. They
have a ton of new music coming out soon. Speaking
of new music, the new arms length record just drop,
which is incredible. I know a lot of people aren't
sleep Token fans, but the band just hit number one
on Billboard, which for a heavy band is insanely impressive,
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and I don't think that should go unnoted. Regardless, if
you like the band, or not. I think it's a
big win for heavy music to have something so popular,
and I don't think i've ever seen an ascension of
a band in recent years like this. I think there
were two of four on a tour like two or
three years ago, and now they're selling out arenas in
(06:08):
a day. It's absolutely insane. So I know some people
it's not their thing, which totally makes sense there it's
like a weird amalgamation of music to get into, but
you cannot deny their insane amount of success that they
have had throughout their career in a very very very
short time. For more music gradations, you can check out
(06:30):
the Metal Corner. It's pull it Spotify plays. You can
find the direct link in the show notes below.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I like to start off the show with now watching,
So that's me and my guests and we talk about
what we've currently been watching in recent times in the
last few weeks or so, whether it's new.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Movies in the theaters, streaming TV, new old, So what
have you guys been watching lately?
Speaker 7 (06:49):
We have, We've been watching l We watched I mean,
we watched Sinnas last week. That's pretty good in sounds
of shows I like you can watch a lot of
TV onto my.
Speaker 8 (07:00):
Go friend and I finished severnth and Invincible season three
before we.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Got onto it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Okay, but that's kind of yeah, that's kind of it.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, like we watched Sinners, but that's kind of It's
kind of it for movies.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Recently, did you guys catch that while you were on tour?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, we did on and off day.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
You guys are big on the movies and the off
day kind of thing. Or is it just like a
once in a wild type thing.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
I'd say we do it like at least once or two.
It's always a good day to like a good way
sorry to hang out with like the whole thirring body,
because usually everyone goes to see a movie together.
Speaker 9 (07:35):
It also depends if we're like near a theater and
if there's anything worth watching on.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
That's very true. That's it. That's it. That's a very
good point.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I always love hearing that perspective from bands because I've
seen it go either way, Like just a few people
will go some people will go solo.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's cool. You make it like a whole thing with
the tour party. That's nice.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, as far as I were watching, I just went
I saw the new MCU movie Thunderbolt last week when
it came out. It's really really fucking good. Honestly, it
depends where you lay in the I guess the MCU trajectory,
but this one is. The team behind it is pretty
much they made like a joke trailer of how it's
like an A twenty four trailer because everyone who worked
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on it it basically comes from the A twenty four world.
It was written by the people who wrote Beef and
the Bear. That's interesting, and the director came from Beef
as well. It's honestly like just a story about mental health.
Is crazy as that is to believe about a Marvel movie,
but it really is. It's really about depression, anxiety, like
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self purpose and stuff. And I am a big MCU
fan myself, but what this movie pulled off I thought
was really cool and I'm super excited for the future
with what that movie set up for sure. Other than that,
this new Star Wars serie, Tales of the Underworld just
came out on May the fourth. It seems to be
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the new Star Wars Disney Plus thing where they'll drop
a Tales of Blank and it's basically six episodes they're
all like super short, like under twenty minutes, so it's
a pretty fast watch. And they usually focus on two
different characters. This one focused on A Sas Ventress and
Cad Baine, which if you're Clone Wars fans, you'll know
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those characters from those and you get to learn a
lot more about those characters. I thought it was like
a really cool way to explore these characters more. And
if you're really deep into the Star Wars stuff and
you watch like bad Batch and all that stuff, A
Sas Ventures showed up in that and a lot of
people got upset because apparently a retconned a thing in
a book that's cannon.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
But I'll say, if you didn't watch these, it fixes
that plot hole.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I guess if that was a problem for you, it's
not rectified, but it's really and you kind of see
they give Cad Baine, who's always been this badass, ruthless
bounty hunter in all of Clone Wars and everything like that,
they give him kind of like a tragic backstory. I
called it the oh they gave ked Band an anime
tragic backstory you know in every anime when you're going
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to fight the villain. They always show this crazy tragic backstory.
They kind of gave that to him, but after the
fact of everything.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
That's mainly what I've been watching recently. But I know
you talk. You just talked about Severnce and Invincible season three.
Those are kind of on my list for favorite shows
of the year so far. Severn's is definitely on there.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I loved season one and I kind of really loved
to see how I guess everyone else caught up with
Severance this year, like it became like a global phenomenon
as compared to what it was in season one. And
I don't think I've ever had like a show that
I talked with so many people in person about, like
(10:56):
at coffee shops or just like when hanging out with friends.
My wife is like, I won't watch it because I
talked about it with so many people so much. She's like,
fuck that show. I'm I'm never gonna watch you talk
about with too many people. What was your guys's journey
with Severance. We'll just start with Severance and what brought
you into Severance? Was the new season that got you
into it? Or have you have you did you wait.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Those three long years to see that Cliffhanger, Get Resolved.
What was your journey with that show?
Speaker 8 (11:24):
Yeah, it was on my It was on my list
like for the last three or four years. I think
someone at work told me to watch it and kind
of explain the basic plot. I thought it sounded cool,
but I never really looked into it. And then I
started seeing it come up recently and I was like
(11:45):
to my grandfriend, like, let's let's just do it.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Let's just jump into it and see what happens.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
And so, you know, because you have to go through
that whole like Apple TV bullshit, and you have to
get another streamer service and another stream service, and then
I was favoring service and all that.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
So I think that probably put me off for a while.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
And then we finally did it, and we pretty much
I didn't know that the second season had just come out,
so we pretty much finished it start to finish on
once they.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
And we thought it was sick it was filmed, so well.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, it's it's such a beautiful show. I've listened to
a few episodes, but they have a podcast where Ben
Steeler and Adam Scott talk about each episode, like episode
by episode. They always have a guest of someone who
worked on the show too, and I listened to a
few of those and just hearing them and how they
talk about how they like tackled each episode, and a
lot of the stuff was I live in upstate New York.
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I kind of live in between Albany and Syracuse, and
some of the stuff is filmed sort of close to me,
Like the whole ort Bow thing is is only like
a few hours away. Like the main truth she takes
in is like it's like a little south of Albany
every time I go to Boston, like I go over
that bridge. And then a lot of it's filmed in
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New Jersey, which isn't really close to me, but it's
it's still pretty cool that it's kind of all in
the Northeast area and they almost everything's on location, and
they obviously there is. It's funny because it's like it's
one of those things where it's the CGI isn't the
things you'd expect it to be. It's like a lot
of like the weird stuff in the they like CGI
stuff in the building out and stuff like that, like
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when they walk into the main building because it's an
actual building where people work at in New Jersey.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
Yeah, off the each episode they have like the run
sers of how they shot some of it and stuff,
which is pretty big. We love watching those, especially that
scene where they're running down the hallways but they're actually
on like a treadmill thing like that's that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, it took like I can't even remember how many
days it so that that that opening sequence took to shoot,
But it was like some insane amount.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Of days, some big budget shit.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Right. Oh yeah, they definitely got the up and the
budget for season two and they went they went hard
with it, and I appreciate that that they were like, Okay,
we're gonna go on more locations, We're gonna go to
more places and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
What did you think of the ending were you? Because
I've seen some people be a little, uh kind of
bummed out by it.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I loved it, but I.
Speaker 8 (14:18):
Think it's in terms of continuing the story, it makes sense.
But it pissed me off for sure, Like it's such
a it's such an l call, but like I understand it.
If they want to make a season three, it kind
of had to happen that way.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, what what one frustrated you more? The cliffhanger in
season one or season two.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
Season two for sure, because like season one for me,
was pretty much resolved as it continued because we didn't know,
so it just went straight to episode one of season two.
But this one, just like seeing him make that choice,
I was like, you fucking aweshole.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Annoying?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Any Mark? Any Mark?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, dude, Wall It's funny.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
I've been saying it to people in VIP because like
a lot of the time on tour, I feel like Toua.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Is my any and when I get home, I'm the
Audi and I just don't to balance to know who.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I never would have thought though, that's that's really Uh,
that's a really fun way to look at the touring.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I don't know if it's a fun way to look
at it.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It's actually pretty depressing, right. I'm interested to see where
they go with season three because they can go a
lot of really weird different ways. Now that you know
Gema's out but Mark is in. Are they gonna kind
of like I fully see, like Helly and Mark like
they wanted them to take over Lumen and they're gonna
like let them be like the power poster couple, uh
(15:43):
for Lumen, and it's gonna be this weird like battle
between the inside and the outside. But they always cease
to surprise me and take the series in the most
weird and strange places. So I I really don't know
what to expect. I think that's probably the most exciting
thing about the show is that you have no idea
(16:03):
where it's going at any time. I didn't expect half
the episodes that happened in the in this season to
pan out the way they did absolutely crazy.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Well, I had a fan theory that Hallie is like
actually and the Eni and the the whole time. Oh
and so she never actually changed and it's like being
her and this whole like master plan the whole time.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And I'm like, damn that could change anything.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, that's that would be brutal.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I mean it's happened before.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, true, Oh well without it, that's like the such
like the weird thing is that like the helly r
is such like a inverse of Helena Egan and to
find out if they, like she was really that good
at trick, like if like all of season two was
weirdly a lie again, that would be that would be
pretty wild because there was that fan theory that actually
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Helena at the end, but I didn't feel that way,
and even britt Lauer is like, no, it was it
was helly, Like they've kind of confirmed that.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
It was confirmed.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Interesting that it was helly at the end. What that
means for everything else, I don't know. I still think
they're they're like Luman's always like how like Mark struggled
with most of the seasons, Like they're always tends tops ahead,
what what do we what can we even do? And
I feel like they still are, And that's the terrifying
part about it. I'm excited to see, uh where season
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three goes, and I hope they start filming soon because
if I have to wait three years for another season,
I'm going to lose my mind.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I mean it depends.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
It depends because like I feel like Invincible for the
same reason could have been pushed back. So they should
have put more effort into the animation, because I feeling
the hottest part is that, like you have so much want,
but life people aren't patient. But if you want it
to be a good product, I think it needs the time. Yeah,
but then you forget it's it's high.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
It's very hot. Say to film scull three seasons.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
In one go, Yeah, it's like a weird fine line
to try and tackle because I feel like streaming now
is just getting into the rhythm of trying to put
like a season out a year.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, just crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, I feel like the only thing that's fully successfully
doing it is the Bear.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
They just it's just like continuously amazing. Everything else is
kind of there's a little bit of a wait. I mean,
like a stranger things so much weight between seasons. But
it's when last season came out, I was like, I
don't care that I waited. It was incredible, Like I'm
fine that I had to wait two three years or
whatever it's. And that's why this last one, I'm like,
whenever it comes out, I don't care. I'll just I'll
just however long they want to take, I don't care.
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I don't care if the kids look twenty five, Who cares.
I just want to see the story wrapped up in
a satisfying way rather than it being totally brushed and.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Like floundered.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Because I with animation, I've heard that from it's kind
of happening with like X Men ninety seven and the
New Spider Man animated show. Is that apparently the first
season is like the hardest season to do because you're
kind of like figuring out how everything works animation wise,
and then after you get the second season out, that's
when you can start doing it like year by year.
That's why Invincible has been coming out like year by year,
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and they kind of planned to do year by year
from now. I don't know if they care about the animation.
I know a lot of people do care. I just
don't think they care. It doesn't bother me because I
feel like the story is so good. I'm just like,
I don't care if this looks whatever. Maybe if this
story sucked, I would care.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, I guess, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Like season three was so.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Absolutely brill and insane, and all my friends who have
read all the comics, I've read some of them, but
not past where the show is, and they're like, it
only gets crazier, and I'm like, how does it get crazier?
Speaker 8 (19:56):
Like what I took out says, I'm pretty sure they're
supposed to be way worst things after Jesus, That's what
I heard when when the one of the women women
built your mice bumps down. Yeah, apparently it's just like
a hectic rape scene with small and they cut it out,
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but they didn't do that for The Boys, which is
funny exactly. That show is insane. Have you watched The
Boys show?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Is that show is.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
The Boys? I mean that those two go hand in
hand in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
But yeah, I agree. I think that's how you should
do a superhero marbe because it's real life version of Yeah,
it actually would go.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, yeah, the Superheroes would be the biggest pieces of
ship in the world, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean
a lot of me aren't even people. You know, they're
like trained their whole lives to be this thing that
they don't really want to be or made in a lab.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Like it's so fucked up and just gross, Like it's
absolutely insane.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
And another show I love this year was The Pit.
I don't know if you guys watched The Pits. It's
an HBO show. It got a lot of buzz while
it was happening. It's basically follows the emergency room team
of in Pittsburgh, and the way it's structured is it's
fifteen episodes and each episode takes place within an hour,
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within an hour of the shift, so it like starts
at like seven or eight in the morning and then
it ends like, you know whatever, and it's just it
I've heard Obviously I am not a medical expert, but
a lot of people have reported on it and said
it's like the most medically accurate show and never watched
er or anything like that. But a lot of medical
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shows have this, like, you know, highly dramatized things within it,
you know, and romances and things like that, and this
show does not have that. It has drama and suspense
and everything like that, but it's way more rooted in
realism and like what actually happens. And I think that's
why people are so gravitated towards it, and it does
not it's brutal.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
There's some.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That's high Prime TV like it shows it shows a birth. Obviously,
it's done with prosthetics, but very good prosthetics, and like
there's just some really gross.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Things that happened that would happen in the er, just
like your face Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
From the first episode you're like, oh Jesus, okay, gotcha,
highly suggest that one.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
It's like an incredible, credible TV series. It's so funny
because I feel like I'm on like film TV Twitter.
It's been very much like every new Prestige show that
comes out, they're like, the main character is getting the Emmy.
It's been and it's like it's like Adam Scott's getting
the Emmy. And then the Pit came out and they're like, no,
Wild's getting the Emmy. And now it's like and Or's
(23:04):
out and they're like, Diego Luna is getting them.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Weak to do that shit, don't they. It's like the
whole album of the Year thing. You don't go down
the year February relax.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
That's why I like to say Album of the Year contender,
or they have a shot at.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
The Emmy yea or something.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
There's something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And Or is incredible and it's well above anything Star
Wars has ever made, in my opinion, and it feels
like an HBO series just happens to be a Star
Wars series. But he might get nominated for an Enemy Emmy,
but I don't think he's beating He's not being like
Adam Scott for Severance or something like that, or like
I think White Lotus is in the same category. So
it's like there's so much competition even within that category
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alone that I don't think it'll break through the barriers
of the stigmatism of Star Wars, but I'm sure he'll
be in the conversation at least. It's I also hate
that how everyone it's like the new thing that's out,
this is gonna be the best thing ever. It's like
things can just be all really good at the same time.
It doesn't need to be there, doesn't need to be
(24:11):
a number one other than the Severance or Invincible. Is
there anything else you were you've been super into that's
come out this year?
Speaker 7 (24:20):
I would have said The Bears the most recent like
series I kept up with. I definitely thought the third
season fell off. That was gonna be my comments on
your on them keeping up the quality every year. I
think the first two were really good, but I thought
the third was a lot more like It's how to
explain it kind of felt a lot more like surface
(24:42):
level than the first two seasons.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I think it was still good. I still love it.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Still probably one of my favorite shows, but I hope
they bring it back a little bit next season.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I mean, it's probably my least favorite of the three.
I just still thought it was really good.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I felt a little rush to me.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
I feel like they needed to follow up the buzz
while it was hot, and it was like, quick, let's get.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
A series out.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
It's so weird with that show because I think it
would probably would have been torn apart even more. But
I always found it so strange that they drop all
the episodes for it at once, and they don't do it. Yeah,
I'm like, like one of the biggest shows on TV
and you just drop it once. I'm like, why why
do you do that? Like it makes zero sense. But
I'm hoping season four is There's been a lot of
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talk of it hasn't been confirmed, but a lot of
people saying it's the final season. But I feel like
they would have said it was the final season in
lead with that, I know kind of, you know, everyone
that's like the a main character in it is getting
very busy outside of the Bear. The Bear is kind
of like, you know, Skyrocket of their careers. Jeremy Allen
White's obviously everywhere, Ao Debrie is everywhere, and Evan Boss
(25:53):
Macrack is now going to be in you know, a
Fantastic Barn movie this year, and it's filming an Avengers
movie right now, and it's going to be a film
ma An Avengers movie next year, so it's he's also
going to be very busy. So we'll see kind of
how season four goes and and and where it goes
past that or not. I guess that is a very thing.
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I'm like very interested to see, like where it goes
and if it's planning on ending, because a lot of
these newer streaming shows, like the creators kind of come
out and they're like, yeah, I had an X amount
of season plan, like shrinking. He's like, I have a
three season plan. Maybe we'll go past it. I don't know,
but my main idea was three seasons Paradise, which was
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another series I really love from this year on Hulu.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Same thing.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
The guy was like, yeah, I have I wrote it
in to for it to go three seasons. Sometimes it changes,
sometimes it doesn't. Ted Lasso was written for three change seasons,
ended and now it's coming back, so that stuff can
always change. And I'm more fun like, I guess I
want to get your guys like would you rather end
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or would you like end on a high note or
would you rather keep going? Because there's a lot of
you know, network TV that kind of went on forever
that probably could have ended five seasons ago, and they
just keep going until it ends, and you're just like, Okay,
I guess that's fine what you're feeling, guys feeling on that.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
I think personally, I would rather end on a high note.
I don't really love when things get drawn out. I
think that's why I stopped watching Marvel movies after like Endgame,
you know, like it's just like that.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I don't think there's too much more that would interest.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Me after a main story is being finished, like out
of like spin off things of different characters. I think
once the story has done a really good job of
explaining it's all saying, I think that's I'm like good, like,
I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
But then obviously there's always exceptions. I guess it just
depends on what they are. I mean some some of
what it like.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
I know that that ted Lasso like that did really well,
so it makes sense that it's going on burn. I'm
sure sevens for them in that f thirty seasons. I'd
want a fallth and a fifth, you know what I mean. Like,
but the story has to be it has to be overachi,
you know, the storytelling has to be absolutely insane for.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
It to be less than I think.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, totally totally agreed ted last, so they left open
where they could continue it. It was like a good
conclusion for his story in a way, but they still
left it open ended, so I can see it working
with it coming back. And I like the fact that
it like took it's not like straight up happening now.
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It's it's it's a few years removed before they were
even like starting to do it, and they really had
time to think about the story and where it can go,
So that one I have a little more faith in
than I would anything else normally most and I just
think Bill Lawrence is like one of the best showrunners
out there right now. He also just Shrinking, which is
(29:04):
if you've got an Apple TV subscription now I have
Rex for days. Shrinking is always one I recommend people for.
It's it's funny but it's super human and emotional and
it has Jason Siegel on TV again and and Harrison Ford,
which is crazy, and it's.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
A really really good show.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
And that show, I feel like is only getting better,
Like season two, I thought was better in season one,
and that's usually not the case, you know, it's usually
season one's the peak sometimes Season two gets better, but
I'm really loving what they're doing there. And it's the
same show creator a lot of the same raiders as
Ted Lasso, so I have full faith that Ted Lastson
can come in. And I also that's like one of
(29:45):
the most like uplifting shows I've ever watched in my life,
ted Lasso.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I truly feel like the world needs more shows like that.
As much as I love the dark and depressing and
shows like Severance and stuff like that, or even The
Invincible Invincibles. A happy show either, that's a pretty pretty
it only continues to get worse for for Mark Races.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I love that too. I like the duality. I like
having some happy stuff to fall back on. So you
got your guys, last of us.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
People at all or no?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I finished the first season. I played both games the.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Okay, cool, I know what's happening. What did you think
of season one compared to the game?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I hated? You hated it?
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Yeah? I didn't like the costing either, Like I think
the effects and like the environment I had and all
of that stuff was really really sick. But like that's
not who I would have cost so I wasn't really
in it. I did love how they did the actual
like like it is and stuff like that, Like they
(30:53):
looked so sick and so scary, like the actual production
of the show is super sick and just like it
didn't get me and my Hey, my girlfriend's best friend
auditioned for uh.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
The angry blonde girl from season two that kills Joel.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
I can't remember what her name is, Oh Abby, Uh yeah, Abby,
And she didn't get it, but she would have been
terfect for it.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
So I'm I'm not watching the show out of spot.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I guess that's fair. I guess that's fair.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I've been season two is there's three episodes left of
season two. I've been loving it personally. I thought season
one was really good. I thought episode three was the
Bill episode. I thought Dyll and Frank episode I loved.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Oh yeah that was a good Yeah, that was a
good episode. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Now season two has been met with I don't even
want to say divisiveness. I think it's more of just
some game players or like they changed this one thing
from the game and now I hate it, and I'm like,
just play the game.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Means probably different thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, Yeah, like it's it's it's hard because I've been
listening to a lot. They have a podcast too, where
it's the showrunner and Neil Druckman and Troy Baker, who
voice role in the video game, and they break down
each episode and everything like that, and they like talk
about how they have to make these changes because in
a video game, you are that character, like you're playing
(32:25):
as that character, and you are fully in their pov
And with a show, you have the liberties to like
explore other povs and explore other characters from a different
lens than you would from just a singular point of view.
And it's hard because you need to there's a certain
level of attachment as you're playing a video game that
you don't get in a series just because you're not
(32:47):
actively playing it. So they have to create these dramatic
moments in other ways. I'm interested to see how you
would because even people who have been kind of not
liking it who or like And I played both games too,
and I think Part two is like Part two is
one of my favorite stories I think.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I've ever experienced.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
It's so.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Just insane about like the human condition and revenge and
love and it's it's I love how Neil Druckman. He
calls it a love story, which may sound crazy, but
he's like it is. It's like it's like what you
would do to protect the love in your life and
what you do to avenge the love in your life,
and thinking of it that way makes me just like
(33:29):
go down rabbit holes of like dissecting the characters and
what they do and how they eventually end.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Up and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Even people who have like not been loving the changes
in season two loved for the most part the Big
Joel episode. Yea's definitely they do handle it very similar
but also differently, and there's a certain like there's a
certain moment that happens after it happens that I was like,
(33:58):
that makes that moment so much worse to me at least.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
Okay, Okay, I mean I'll definitely watch it. I think
the problem with the even the second game is like
it had so much of that Walking Dead scene where
you kill off a favorite character like Glenn, and like
everyone's attachment of that character has now gone, and so
they lose like two million people or something like. Watching
I can't remember, there was some insane number. So I
(34:25):
feel like that divisiveness definitely comes through with the show,
but like I'll probably still watch it, Like.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I think it's pretty good now.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I've actually really liked the changes because they they beginning
is structured a lot differently where they kind of start
the they started like the day before or the day
of the dance that you see like way later in
the game, and they show you all the events that
lead up to the dance and then the dances. Episode
one and then episode two kind of picks up where
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the game does, but they like they really build out
Jackson more. They switch up some characters of like who
goes with who and stuff like that, but they do
it for like a like I think, like a very
good purpose to add to the story and add to
like motivations. And Isabelarmer said, who plays Dina, I think
(35:18):
she has made not that I hated Dina in the
game at all, but she definitely kind of feels like
in the way in the game and in the series
it's like the polar opposite. She's kind of like this
crazy voice of reason to Ellie and is like very
prepared and just like level headed, whereas Ellie is in
the game in the show is very not level headed
(35:40):
at all and just very like knee jerk reaction, and
they've they've handled Ellie's grief in a very different way
to where she's not just like pure rage like the game.
It's more like she's trying to she's trying to hide
her like true intentions and true anger, and she kind
of closes everyone off, and like the Hair, relationship with
(36:03):
Dina builds more progressively rather than just being a thing, uh,
which some people hated, some people have liked.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Again, you your your opinion will.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Vary as as it goes along, but I've kind of
like how it's it's setting up to like they've really
tried to like hammer Home that like the Wolf and Abby,
anyone who's who's.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Associated with Abby is really evil.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And even though they like I'm sure you've heard they
they like Abby tells Joel like you killed my dad
in the show, like just straight up tells her, and
so many game players are like, they gave everything away,
And I'm like, but that's not really what like like.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Quote unquote redeems Abby.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
You know, it's it's really you seeing her point of
view and what action she takes after the fact that
that that journey goes across.
Speaker 8 (36:53):
It's also knowing Joel not chilling Ali as well, like
that really comes to too.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, and a lot of that stuff is still not
there yet, you know, there's still like Joel hasn't come back.
There's been no flashback scenes yet, Like obviously there's a
lot of flashback scenes in the game, so they've even
like waited to like bring Pedro back even in flashbacks,
which I kind of like respect that restraint because they
easily could have done it like the episode after he died,
but like, here's a flashback, you know. So I've respected
(37:25):
that and I'm very interested to see like how it
continues to go along. The last episode had the take
on Me guitar scene, which I've been on Uh fandom, dude,
it's so hard, like not natural to play guitar, so
it's so weird. I have a very big pet peeve
(37:48):
in shows and movies when they show live music and
it's obvious they're not playing. And in this one it
was like halfway it looked like she was playing. She
had the right chords uh on the on the front hand,
but her plucking was so off that I was like,
come on, you were halfway there.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You couldn't have been.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I was like, come on, man. I was like, you
couldn't have just like and even some of the blocking
after you can tell that. They were like, oh, her
plucking's not right, We're gonna close up on her face
or something, and I was like, you were almost there.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
You were so close.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It was it was like I remember Peacemaker JOHNSONO was
playing piano in a scene and he like actually played
piano in the scene. Obviously it was like overdubbed with
sound mixing and stuff like that, but I remember James
Gunn coming out and being like, yeah, he actually like
knows it on piano and played piano.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
And I was like, because I was like, that looks
really real.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
That looks if it's not if it's not dead on,
it's it's pretty pretty damn close enough where no one.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Really noticed that, like a piano or something.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
And I was like, damn it, you couldn't have just like,
you know, you know, see those movies someone's like playing
drums and it looks like the dumbest thing ever because
nothing matches up, and you're like, come on, you couldn't
have got someone in there to like help or something.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, you get paid enough. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
And the thing is, like I said, she had like
the chord progression all right and everything, and I was
like okay, and then just like the plucking is like
not the same at all. She was like plucking like
a third of the notes and I was like, come on.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, it's around. Speaking speaking of that, I think we
have to go to sound check.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Now to your unfortunately, oh okay, Well, before we got
out of here, plug with you guys got going on
where people can find you and everything Thornhill related.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Fuck uh, we have the new album Bodies out is
on Spotify.
Speaker 9 (39:40):
We are on Instagram, Twitter, Thornhill meld uh catch us
onto us still probably for another six seven shows, but
playing Kansas City tonight and went back in America in
September with Landmarks.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
And if you're living under rock and somehow I haven't
heard of Thornhill, I will link all of their stuff
down below. Make sure you go check out their new album.
It's incredible. Catch them when they come back on tour
if you didn't already catch them on this one or
do both that.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
You can't go wrong seeing them multiple times.
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You follow me and find me in my personal account.
It's just at Sean XM on Instagram and Twitter. Until
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Speaker 3 (01:19):
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Very stoked to have you guys here.
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coore Nerds. Before we in the pop culture talk, we're
gonna kick off the show like we do every episode
with the mal cor Nerds song of the week, and
the song of the week this week is from the
band Execution Day. This is their latest single.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
That the same book store against the shot replaying.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Jo the steam see the sunny now they're still hiding.
Doesn't sail from monstairsday, g b.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
S tell me the short devil statue.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Baf back at the side, get.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
A from I think I'm going.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
After John, Jessie you cast ups, thank you.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Jas.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Silence overcomes silence. Get cartain cars jocos just like cack
b Job cars. That drives my gas.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Get away away if I.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Think I'm cat for Ga Cassie Job, cast up lost.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Can just give the moisturn.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Before break out. The sads got away, You run away.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Do your jail. I think you're got it Die ju
Cat Die jo Ja before up got this side, got
away away from jail.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Again. That was execution Day with their latest single Monster,
I feel like what you hear. Go check out more
of the band and make sure you support them. They
have a ton of new music coming out soon. Speaking
of new music, the new arms length record just drop,
which is incredible. I know a lot of people aren't
sleep Token fans, but the band just hit number one
on Billboard, which for a heavy band is insanely impressive,
(05:45):
and I don't think that should go unnoted. Regardless, if
you like the band, or not. I think it's a
big win for heavy music to have something so popular,
and I don't think i've ever seen an ascension of
a band in recent years like this. I think there
were two of four on a tour like two or
three years ago, and now they're selling out arenas in
(06:08):
a day. It's absolutely insane. So I know some people
it's not their thing, which totally makes sense there it's
like a weird amalgamation of music to get into, but
you cannot deny their insane amount of success that they
have had throughout their career in a very very very
short time. For more music gradations, you can check out
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find the direct link in the show notes below.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I like to start off the show with now watching,
So that's me and my guests and we talk about
what we've currently been watching in recent times in the
last few weeks or so, whether it's new.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Movies in the theaters, streaming TV, new old, So what
have you guys been watching lately?
Speaker 7 (06:49):
We have, We've been watching l We watched I mean,
we watched Sinnas last week. That's pretty good in sounds
of shows I like you can watch a lot of
TV onto my.
Speaker 8 (07:00):
Go friend and I finished severnth and Invincible season three
before we.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Got onto it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Okay, but that's kind of yeah, that's kind of it.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, like we watched Sinners, but that's kind of It's
kind of it for movies.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Recently, did you guys catch that while you were on tour?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, we did on and off day.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
You guys are big on the movies and the off
day kind of thing. Or is it just like a
once in a wild type thing.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
I'd say we do it like at least once or two.
It's always a good day to like a good way
sorry to hang out with like the whole thirring body,
because usually everyone goes to see a movie together.
Speaker 9 (07:35):
It also depends if we're like near a theater and
if there's anything worth watching on.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
That's very true. That's it. That's it. That's a very
good point.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I always love hearing that perspective from bands because I've
seen it go either way, Like just a few people
will go some people will go solo.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's cool. You make it like a whole thing with
the tour party. That's nice.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, as far as I were watching, I just went
I saw the new MCU movie Thunderbolt last week when
it came out. It's really really fucking good. Honestly, it
depends where you lay in the I guess the MCU trajectory,
but this one is. The team behind it is pretty
much they made like a joke trailer of how it's
like an A twenty four trailer because everyone who worked
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on it it basically comes from the A twenty four world.
It was written by the people who wrote Beef and
the Bear. That's interesting, and the director came from Beef
as well. It's honestly like just a story about mental health.
Is crazy as that is to believe about a Marvel movie,
but it really is. It's really about depression, anxiety, like
(08:41):
self purpose and stuff. And I am a big MCU
fan myself, but what this movie pulled off I thought
was really cool and I'm super excited for the future
with what that movie set up for sure. Other than that,
this new Star Wars serie, Tales of the Underworld just
came out on May the fourth. It seems to be
(09:02):
the new Star Wars Disney Plus thing where they'll drop
a Tales of Blank and it's basically six episodes they're
all like super short, like under twenty minutes, so it's
a pretty fast watch. And they usually focus on two
different characters. This one focused on A Sas Ventress and
Cad Baine, which if you're Clone Wars fans, you'll know
(09:23):
those characters from those and you get to learn a
lot more about those characters. I thought it was like
a really cool way to explore these characters more. And
if you're really deep into the Star Wars stuff and
you watch like bad Batch and all that stuff, A
Sas Ventures showed up in that and a lot of
people got upset because apparently a retconned a thing in
a book that's cannon.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
But I'll say, if you didn't watch these, it fixes
that plot hole.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I guess if that was a problem for you, it's
not rectified, but it's really and you kind of see
they give Cad Baine, who's always been this badass, ruthless
bounty hunter in all of Clone Wars and everything like that,
they give him kind of like a tragic backstory. I
called it the oh they gave ked Band an anime
tragic backstory you know in every anime when you're going
(10:13):
to fight the villain. They always show this crazy tragic backstory.
They kind of gave that to him, but after the
fact of everything.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
That's mainly what I've been watching recently. But I know
you talk. You just talked about Severnce and Invincible season three.
Those are kind of on my list for favorite shows
of the year so far. Severn's is definitely on there.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I loved season one and I kind of really loved
to see how I guess everyone else caught up with
Severance this year, like it became like a global phenomenon
as compared to what it was in season one. And
I don't think I've ever had like a show that
I talked with so many people in person about, like
(10:56):
at coffee shops or just like when hanging out with friends.
My wife is like, I won't watch it because I
talked about it with so many people so much. She's like,
fuck that show. I'm I'm never gonna watch you talk
about with too many people. What was your guys's journey
with Severance. We'll just start with Severance and what brought
you into Severance? Was the new season that got you
into it? Or have you have you did you wait.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Those three long years to see that Cliffhanger, Get Resolved.
What was your journey with that show?
Speaker 8 (11:24):
Yeah, it was on my It was on my list
like for the last three or four years. I think
someone at work told me to watch it and kind
of explain the basic plot. I thought it sounded cool,
but I never really looked into it. And then I
started seeing it come up recently and I was like
(11:45):
to my grandfriend, like, let's let's just do it.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Let's just jump into it and see what happens.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
And so, you know, because you have to go through
that whole like Apple TV bullshit, and you have to
get another streamer service and another stream service, and then
I was favoring service and all that.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
So I think that probably put me off for a while.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
And then we finally did it, and we pretty much
I didn't know that the second season had just come out,
so we pretty much finished it start to finish on
once they.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
And we thought it was sick it was filmed, so well.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, it's it's such a beautiful show. I've listened to
a few episodes, but they have a podcast where Ben
Steeler and Adam Scott talk about each episode, like episode
by episode. They always have a guest of someone who
worked on the show too, and I listened to a
few of those and just hearing them and how they
talk about how they like tackled each episode, and a
lot of the stuff was I live in upstate New York.
(12:39):
I kind of live in between Albany and Syracuse, and
some of the stuff is filmed sort of close to me,
Like the whole ort Bow thing is is only like
a few hours away. Like the main truth she takes
in is like it's like a little south of Albany
every time I go to Boston, like I go over
that bridge. And then a lot of it's filmed in
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New Jersey, which isn't really close to me, but it's
it's still pretty cool that it's kind of all in
the Northeast area and they almost everything's on location, and
they obviously there is. It's funny because it's like it's
one of those things where it's the CGI isn't the
things you'd expect it to be. It's like a lot
of like the weird stuff in the they like CGI
stuff in the building out and stuff like that, like
(13:22):
when they walk into the main building because it's an
actual building where people work at in New Jersey.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
Yeah, off the each episode they have like the run
sers of how they shot some of it and stuff,
which is pretty big. We love watching those, especially that
scene where they're running down the hallways but they're actually
on like a treadmill thing like that's that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, it took like I can't even remember how many
days it so that that that opening sequence took to shoot,
But it was like some insane amount.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Of days, some big budget shit.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Right. Oh yeah, they definitely got the up and the
budget for season two and they went they went hard
with it, and I appreciate that that they were like, Okay,
we're gonna go on more locations, We're gonna go to
more places and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
What did you think of the ending were you? Because
I've seen some people be a little, uh kind of
bummed out by it.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I loved it, but I.
Speaker 8 (14:18):
Think it's in terms of continuing the story, it makes sense.
But it pissed me off for sure, Like it's such
a it's such an l call, but like I understand it.
If they want to make a season three, it kind
of had to happen that way.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, what what one frustrated you more? The cliffhanger in
season one or season two.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
Season two for sure, because like season one for me,
was pretty much resolved as it continued because we didn't know,
so it just went straight to episode one of season two.
But this one, just like seeing him make that choice,
I was like, you fucking aweshole.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Annoying?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Any Mark? Any Mark?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, dude, Wall It's funny.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
I've been saying it to people in VIP because like
a lot of the time on tour, I feel like Toua.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Is my any and when I get home, I'm the
Audi and I just don't to balance to know who.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I never would have thought though, that's that's really Uh,
that's a really fun way to look at the touring.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I don't know if it's a fun way to look
at it.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It's actually pretty depressing, right. I'm interested to see where
they go with season three because they can go a
lot of really weird different ways. Now that you know
Gema's out but Mark is in. Are they gonna kind
of like I fully see, like Helly and Mark like
they wanted them to take over Lumen and they're gonna
like let them be like the power poster couple, uh
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for Lumen, and it's gonna be this weird like battle
between the inside and the outside. But they always cease
to surprise me and take the series in the most
weird and strange places. So I I really don't know
what to expect. I think that's probably the most exciting
thing about the show is that you have no idea
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where it's going at any time. I didn't expect half
the episodes that happened in the in this season to
pan out the way they did absolutely crazy.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Well, I had a fan theory that Hallie is like
actually and the Eni and the the whole time. Oh
and so she never actually changed and it's like being
her and this whole like master plan the whole time.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And I'm like, damn that could change anything.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, that's that would be brutal.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I mean it's happened before.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, true, Oh well without it, that's like the such
like the weird thing is that like the helly r
is such like a inverse of Helena Egan and to
find out if they, like she was really that good
at trick, like if like all of season two was
weirdly a lie again, that would be that would be
pretty wild because there was that fan theory that actually
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Helena at the end, but I didn't feel that way,
and even britt Lauer is like, no, it was it
was helly, Like they've kind of confirmed that.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
It was confirmed.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Interesting that it was helly at the end. What that
means for everything else, I don't know. I still think
they're they're like Luman's always like how like Mark struggled
with most of the seasons, Like they're always tends tops ahead,
what what do we what can we even do? And
I feel like they still are, And that's the terrifying
part about it. I'm excited to see, uh where season
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three goes, and I hope they start filming soon because
if I have to wait three years for another season,
I'm going to lose my mind.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I mean it depends.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
It depends because like I feel like Invincible for the
same reason could have been pushed back. So they should
have put more effort into the animation, because I feeling
the hottest part is that, like you have so much want,
but life people aren't patient. But if you want it
to be a good product, I think it needs the time. Yeah,
but then you forget it's it's high.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
It's very hot. Say to film scull three seasons.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
In one go, Yeah, it's like a weird fine line
to try and tackle because I feel like streaming now
is just getting into the rhythm of trying to put
like a season out a year.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, just crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, I feel like the only thing that's fully successfully
doing it is the Bear.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
They just it's just like continuously amazing. Everything else is
kind of there's a little bit of a wait. I mean,
like a stranger things so much weight between seasons. But
it's when last season came out, I was like, I
don't care that I waited. It was incredible, Like I'm
fine that I had to wait two three years or
whatever it's. And that's why this last one, I'm like,
whenever it comes out, I don't care. I'll just I'll
just however long they want to take, I don't care.
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I don't care if the kids look twenty five, Who cares.
I just want to see the story wrapped up in
a satisfying way rather than it being totally brushed and.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Like floundered.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Because I with animation, I've heard that from it's kind
of happening with like X Men ninety seven and the
New Spider Man animated show. Is that apparently the first
season is like the hardest season to do because you're
kind of like figuring out how everything works animation wise,
and then after you get the second season out, that's
when you can start doing it like year by year.
That's why Invincible has been coming out like year by year,
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and they kind of planned to do year by year
from now. I don't know if they care about the animation.
I know a lot of people do care. I just
don't think they care. It doesn't bother me because I
feel like the story is so good. I'm just like,
I don't care if this looks whatever. Maybe if this
story sucked, I would care.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, I guess, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Like season three was so.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Absolutely brill and insane, and all my friends who have
read all the comics, I've read some of them, but
not past where the show is, and they're like, it
only gets crazier, and I'm like, how does it get crazier?
Speaker 8 (19:56):
Like what I took out says, I'm pretty sure they're
supposed to be way worst things after Jesus, That's what
I heard when when the one of the women women
built your mice bumps down. Yeah, apparently it's just like
a hectic rape scene with small and they cut it out,
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but they didn't do that for The Boys, which is
funny exactly. That show is insane. Have you watched The
Boys show?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Is that show is.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
The Boys? I mean that those two go hand in
hand in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
But yeah, I agree. I think that's how you should
do a superhero marbe because it's real life version of Yeah,
it actually would go.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, yeah, the Superheroes would be the biggest pieces of
ship in the world, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean
a lot of me aren't even people. You know, they're
like trained their whole lives to be this thing that
they don't really want to be or made in a lab.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Like it's so fucked up and just gross, Like it's
absolutely insane.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
And another show I love this year was The Pit.
I don't know if you guys watched The Pits. It's
an HBO show. It got a lot of buzz while
it was happening. It's basically follows the emergency room team
of in Pittsburgh, and the way it's structured is it's
fifteen episodes and each episode takes place within an hour,
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within an hour of the shift, so it like starts
at like seven or eight in the morning and then
it ends like, you know whatever, and it's just it
I've heard Obviously I am not a medical expert, but
a lot of people have reported on it and said
it's like the most medically accurate show and never watched
er or anything like that. But a lot of medical
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shows have this, like, you know, highly dramatized things within it,
you know, and romances and things like that, and this
show does not have that. It has drama and suspense
and everything like that, but it's way more rooted in
realism and like what actually happens. And I think that's
why people are so gravitated towards it, and it does
not it's brutal.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
There's some.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That's high Prime TV like it shows it shows a birth. Obviously,
it's done with prosthetics, but very good prosthetics, and like
there's just some really gross.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Things that happened that would happen in the er, just
like your face Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
From the first episode you're like, oh Jesus, okay, gotcha,
highly suggest that one.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
It's like an incredible, credible TV series. It's so funny
because I feel like I'm on like film TV Twitter.
It's been very much like every new Prestige show that
comes out, they're like, the main character is getting the Emmy.
It's been and it's like it's like Adam Scott's getting
the Emmy. And then the Pit came out and they're like, no,
Wild's getting the Emmy. And now it's like and Or's
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out and they're like, Diego Luna is getting them.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Weak to do that shit, don't they. It's like the
whole album of the Year thing. You don't go down
the year February relax.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
That's why I like to say Album of the Year contender,
or they have a shot at.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
The Emmy yea or something.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
There's something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And Or is incredible and it's well above anything Star
Wars has ever made, in my opinion, and it feels
like an HBO series just happens to be a Star
Wars series. But he might get nominated for an Enemy Emmy,
but I don't think he's beating He's not being like
Adam Scott for Severance or something like that, or like
I think White Lotus is in the same category. So
it's like there's so much competition even within that category
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alone that I don't think it'll break through the barriers
of the stigmatism of Star Wars, but I'm sure he'll
be in the conversation at least. It's I also hate
that how everyone it's like the new thing that's out,
this is gonna be the best thing ever. It's like
things can just be all really good at the same time.
It doesn't need to be there, doesn't need to be
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a number one other than the Severance or Invincible. Is
there anything else you were you've been super into that's
come out this year?
Speaker 7 (24:20):
I would have said The Bears the most recent like
series I kept up with. I definitely thought the third
season fell off. That was gonna be my comments on
your on them keeping up the quality every year. I
think the first two were really good, but I thought
the third was a lot more like It's how to
explain it kind of felt a lot more like surface
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level than the first two seasons.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I think it was still good. I still love it.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Still probably one of my favorite shows, but I hope
they bring it back a little bit next season.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I mean, it's probably my least favorite of the three.
I just still thought it was really good.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I felt a little rush to me.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
I feel like they needed to follow up the buzz
while it was hot, and it was like, quick, let's get.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
A series out.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
It's so weird with that show because I think it
would probably would have been torn apart even more. But
I always found it so strange that they drop all
the episodes for it at once, and they don't do it. Yeah,
I'm like, like one of the biggest shows on TV
and you just drop it once. I'm like, why why
do you do that? Like it makes zero sense. But
I'm hoping season four is There's been a lot of
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talk of it hasn't been confirmed, but a lot of
people saying it's the final season. But I feel like
they would have said it was the final season in
lead with that, I know kind of, you know, everyone
that's like the a main character in it is getting
very busy outside of the Bear. The Bear is kind
of like, you know, Skyrocket of their careers. Jeremy Allen
White's obviously everywhere, Ao Debrie is everywhere, and Evan Boss
(25:53):
Macrack is now going to be in you know, a
Fantastic Barn movie this year, and it's filming an Avengers
movie right now, and it's going to be a film
ma An Avengers movie next year, so it's he's also
going to be very busy. So we'll see kind of
how season four goes and and and where it goes
past that or not. I guess that is a very thing.
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I'm like very interested to see, like where it goes
and if it's planning on ending, because a lot of
these newer streaming shows, like the creators kind of come
out and they're like, yeah, I had an X amount
of season plan, like shrinking. He's like, I have a
three season plan. Maybe we'll go past it. I don't know,
but my main idea was three seasons Paradise, which was
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another series I really love from this year on Hulu.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Same thing.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
The guy was like, yeah, I have I wrote it
in to for it to go three seasons. Sometimes it changes,
sometimes it doesn't. Ted Lasso was written for three change seasons,
ended and now it's coming back, so that stuff can
always change. And I'm more fun like, I guess I
want to get your guys like would you rather end
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or would you like end on a high note or
would you rather keep going? Because there's a lot of
you know, network TV that kind of went on forever
that probably could have ended five seasons ago, and they
just keep going until it ends, and you're just like, Okay,
I guess that's fine what you're feeling, guys feeling on that.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
I think personally, I would rather end on a high note.
I don't really love when things get drawn out. I
think that's why I stopped watching Marvel movies after like Endgame,
you know, like it's just like that.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I don't think there's too much more that would interest.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Me after a main story is being finished, like out
of like spin off things of different characters. I think
once the story has done a really good job of
explaining it's all saying, I think that's I'm like good, like,
I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
But then obviously there's always exceptions. I guess it just
depends on what they are. I mean some some of
what it like.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
I know that that ted Lasso like that did really well,
so it makes sense that it's going on burn. I'm
sure sevens for them in that f thirty seasons. I'd
want a fallth and a fifth, you know what I mean. Like,
but the story has to be it has to be overachi,
you know, the storytelling has to be absolutely insane for.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
It to be less than I think.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, totally totally agreed ted last, so they left open
where they could continue it. It was like a good
conclusion for his story in a way, but they still
left it open ended, so I can see it working
with it coming back. And I like the fact that
it like took it's not like straight up happening now.
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It's it's it's a few years removed before they were
even like starting to do it, and they really had
time to think about the story and where it can go,
So that one I have a little more faith in
than I would anything else normally most and I just
think Bill Lawrence is like one of the best showrunners
out there right now. He also just Shrinking, which is
(29:04):
if you've got an Apple TV subscription now I have
Rex for days. Shrinking is always one I recommend people for.
It's it's funny but it's super human and emotional and
it has Jason Siegel on TV again and and Harrison Ford,
which is crazy, and it's.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
A really really good show.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
And that show, I feel like is only getting better,
Like season two, I thought was better in season one,
and that's usually not the case, you know, it's usually
season one's the peak sometimes Season two gets better, but
I'm really loving what they're doing there. And it's the
same show creator a lot of the same raiders as
Ted Lasso, so I have full faith that Ted Lastson
can come in. And I also that's like one of
(29:45):
the most like uplifting shows I've ever watched in my life,
ted Lasso.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I truly feel like the world needs more shows like that.
As much as I love the dark and depressing and
shows like Severance and stuff like that, or even The
Invincible Invincibles. A happy show either, that's a pretty pretty
it only continues to get worse for for Mark Races.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I love that too. I like the duality. I like
having some happy stuff to fall back on. So you
got your guys, last of us.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
People at all or no?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I finished the first season. I played both games the.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Okay, cool, I know what's happening. What did you think
of season one compared to the game?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I hated? You hated it?
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Yeah? I didn't like the costing either, Like I think
the effects and like the environment I had and all
of that stuff was really really sick. But like that's
not who I would have cost so I wasn't really
in it. I did love how they did the actual
like like it is and stuff like that, Like they
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looked so sick and so scary, like the actual production
of the show is super sick and just like it
didn't get me and my Hey, my girlfriend's best friend
auditioned for uh.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
The angry blonde girl from season two that kills Joel.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
I can't remember what her name is, Oh Abby, Uh yeah, Abby,
And she didn't get it, but she would have been
terfect for it.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
So I'm I'm not watching the show out of spot.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I guess that's fair. I guess that's fair.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I've been season two is there's three episodes left of
season two. I've been loving it personally. I thought season
one was really good. I thought episode three was the
Bill episode. I thought Dyll and Frank episode I loved.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Oh yeah that was a good Yeah, that was a
good episode. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Now season two has been met with I don't even
want to say divisiveness. I think it's more of just
some game players or like they changed this one thing
from the game and now I hate it, and I'm like,
just play the game.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Means probably different thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, Yeah, like it's it's it's hard because I've been
listening to a lot. They have a podcast too, where
it's the showrunner and Neil Druckman and Troy Baker, who
voice role in the video game, and they break down
each episode and everything like that, and they like talk
about how they have to make these changes because in
a video game, you are that character, like you're playing
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as that character, and you are fully in their pov
And with a show, you have the liberties to like
explore other povs and explore other characters from a different
lens than you would from just a singular point of view.
And it's hard because you need to there's a certain
level of attachment as you're playing a video game that
you don't get in a series just because you're not
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actively playing it. So they have to create these dramatic
moments in other ways. I'm interested to see how you
would because even people who have been kind of not
liking it who or like And I played both games too,
and I think Part two is like Part two is
one of my favorite stories I think.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I've ever experienced.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
It's so.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Just insane about like the human condition and revenge and
love and it's it's I love how Neil Druckman. He
calls it a love story, which may sound crazy, but
he's like it is. It's like it's like what you
would do to protect the love in your life and
what you do to avenge the love in your life,
and thinking of it that way makes me just like
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go down rabbit holes of like dissecting the characters and
what they do and how they eventually end.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Up and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Even people who have like not been loving the changes
in season two loved for the most part the Big
Joel episode. Yea's definitely they do handle it very similar
but also differently, and there's a certain like there's a
certain moment that happens after it happens that I was like,
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that makes that moment so much worse to me at least.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
Okay, Okay, I mean I'll definitely watch it. I think
the problem with the even the second game is like
it had so much of that Walking Dead scene where
you kill off a favorite character like Glenn, and like
everyone's attachment of that character has now gone, and so
they lose like two million people or something like. Watching
I can't remember, there was some insane number. So I
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feel like that divisiveness definitely comes through with the show,
but like I'll probably still watch it, Like.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I think it's pretty good now.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I've actually really liked the changes because they they beginning
is structured a lot differently where they kind of start
the they started like the day before or the day
of the dance that you see like way later in
the game, and they show you all the events that
lead up to the dance and then the dances. Episode
one and then episode two kind of picks up where
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the game does, but they like they really build out
Jackson more. They switch up some characters of like who
goes with who and stuff like that, but they do
it for like a like I think, like a very
good purpose to add to the story and add to
like motivations. And Isabelarmer said, who plays Dina, I think
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she has made not that I hated Dina in the
game at all, but she definitely kind of feels like
in the way in the game and in the series
it's like the polar opposite. She's kind of like this
crazy voice of reason to Ellie and is like very
prepared and just like level headed, whereas Ellie is in
the game in the show is very not level headed
(35:40):
at all and just very like knee jerk reaction, and
they've they've handled Ellie's grief in a very different way
to where she's not just like pure rage like the game.
It's more like she's trying to she's trying to hide
her like true intentions and true anger, and she kind
of closes everyone off, and like the Hair, relationship with
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Dina builds more progressively rather than just being a thing, uh,
which some people hated, some people have liked.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Again, you your your opinion will.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Vary as as it goes along, but I've kind of
like how it's it's setting up to like they've really
tried to like hammer Home that like the Wolf and Abby,
anyone who's who's.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Associated with Abby is really evil.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And even though they like I'm sure you've heard they
they like Abby tells Joel like you killed my dad
in the show, like just straight up tells her, and
so many game players are like, they gave everything away,
And I'm like, but that's not really what like like.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Quote unquote redeems Abby.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
You know, it's it's really you seeing her point of
view and what action she takes after the fact that
that that journey goes across.
Speaker 8 (36:53):
It's also knowing Joel not chilling Ali as well, like
that really comes to too.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, and a lot of that stuff is still not
there yet, you know, there's still like Joel hasn't come back.
There's been no flashback scenes yet, Like obviously there's a
lot of flashback scenes in the game, so they've even
like waited to like bring Pedro back even in flashbacks,
which I kind of like respect that restraint because they
easily could have done it like the episode after he died,
but like, here's a flashback, you know. So I've respected
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that and I'm very interested to see like how it
continues to go along. The last episode had the take
on Me guitar scene, which I've been on Uh fandom, dude,
it's so hard, like not natural to play guitar, so
it's so weird. I have a very big pet peeve
(37:48):
in shows and movies when they show live music and
it's obvious they're not playing. And in this one it
was like halfway it looked like she was playing. She
had the right chords uh on the on the front hand,
but her plucking was so off that I was like,
come on, you were halfway there.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You couldn't have been.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I was like, come on, man. I was like, you
couldn't have just like and even some of the blocking
after you can tell that. They were like, oh, her
plucking's not right, We're gonna close up on her face
or something, and I was like, you were almost there.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
You were so close.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It was it was like I remember Peacemaker JOHNSONO was
playing piano in a scene and he like actually played
piano in the scene. Obviously it was like overdubbed with
sound mixing and stuff like that, but I remember James
Gunn coming out and being like, yeah, he actually like
knows it on piano and played piano.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
And I was like, because I was like, that looks
really real.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
That looks if it's not if it's not dead on,
it's it's pretty pretty damn close enough where no one.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Really noticed that, like a piano or something.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
And I was like, damn it, you couldn't have just like,
you know, you know, see those movies someone's like playing
drums and it looks like the dumbest thing ever because
nothing matches up, and you're like, come on, you couldn't
have got someone in there to like help or something.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, you get paid enough. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
And the thing is, like I said, she had like
the chord progression all right and everything, and I was
like okay, and then just like the plucking is like
not the same at all. She was like plucking like
a third of the notes and I was like, come on.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, it's around. Speaking speaking of that, I think we
have to go to sound check.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Now to your unfortunately, oh okay, Well, before we got
out of here, plug with you guys got going on
where people can find you and everything Thornhill related.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Fuck uh, we have the new album Bodies out is
on Spotify.
Speaker 9 (39:40):
We are on Instagram, Twitter, Thornhill meld uh catch us
onto us still probably for another six seven shows, but
playing Kansas City tonight and went back in America in
September with Landmarks.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
And if you're living under rock and somehow I haven't
heard of Thornhill, I will link all of their stuff
down below. Make sure you go check out their new album.
It's incredible. Catch them when they come back on tour
if you didn't already catch them on this one or
do both that.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
You can't go wrong seeing them multiple times.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
And if you want to support the podcast, you can
go on Mothercuntters dot com or link staring wazy place.
You follow me and find me in my personal account.
It's just at Sean XM on Instagram and Twitter. Until
next time, see you, lar nerds.
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