Frank Zummo of Electric Callboy & Sum 41

In celebration of his new book 'Unbreakable Rhythm,' Frank Zummo of Sum 41 & Electric Callboy joins the show to talk about his incredible journey as a musician. From his time with Sum 41, his transition to Electric Callboy, crafting everything surrounding his book, & even revealing what type of media he consumes to unwind, Frank & Sean go through it all!

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Speaker 1 (01:03):
Metalcore Nerds. The podcast the features members of your favorite
bands as we explore their love of pop culture I'm
Maria Sean Mott and this week I'm joined by Frank
Zumo of Some Free One and Electric Callboy.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Thanks for having me. Man, how are you?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I am great, doing doing really really well. How are
you on the road?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, good time for the podcasts.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Book promo time, so it's all good. I'm happy to
do it. And yeah I'm in Stockholm. We're on about
to have the third show of this tour tomorrow. So
we started in this region. We did Denmark Oslo last
night and it's been amazing, just a really really great tour. Wild,
just a massive production and crowd's been crazy, just awesome energy.

(01:44):
So yeah, this is gonna be an awesome world tour.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
I watched some videos to see the scope of the
production and everything like that, and it does look absolutely insane.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
So cool.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, damn big for this one because it's an arena
tour you know over here in Europe, so it's just
like wanted to go as big as possible and just
bring such an experience, which even the festival run I
did in the summer was a crazy production. This is
just levels above that, which is cool. It's been really
cool to build this whole production. You know, we did
a lot of rehearsing and production rehearsals and now just

(02:17):
like seeing it out in the wild of just seeing
the reaction from people, it's really really cool.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Before we get into more of what Frank is going
on his story and what he's into as far as
TV and everything like that, where the returning to the show.
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into that, we're gonna kick off the show like we
do every week at the Middle Corner. Song of the Week,
and the song of the week this week is from
the band Enux. This is their latest single we Loved.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
With Nothing God Say song singing these broking rock song county.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
Fam this or songs.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
No we never say l you feel.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
You know the summer just like you play with.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
The show never never foss a cri that cast God say,

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son got.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
So right now.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
Job chicks, someway back cats shirt.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Go so.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
Stop si.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
When the flat sound somebody witness wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Wasn't it won't let ave it wor your side.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Fall sun sound when.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
Some time sound real, God said, Okay, soide I got
Danny stop.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Prasstots, watch your watch up, stop.

Speaker 6 (05:41):
Flood waters, yell cuts, shot down, pass sans, watch your wall.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Down, JP browing at.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
That sounds O you.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
M so got.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
So sad A shot.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
To get Enox with their new single Aurora. That is
their tail tracker with their new albums I Feel like
what you heard. Go to Spotify right now, go check
out the full album. The band is very, very dope
and if you need more music recommdations, you can check
out the middle corner. It's pull list Spotify playlist. You'll
find the link in the show notes below. Now your
story is a wild one. It's a very cool one.
And the more I dove deep into it, the more fascinated.

(07:22):
I became with it. And I know that you were
born into a musical family and you saw Moley Crue
and Ozzie at five years old, and that kind of
set you on this path that you've been going on
your entire life. But I did want to know if
there's any other bands that were highly influential to you,
like maybe in your teenage years, your young adult years

(07:44):
that helped kind of form your style, your musical taste
as you were growing up.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Early on was my dad's record collection, which was amazing.
You know, he was a college radio DJ, so it
was all the classic rock, amazing records and like you know,
the A. C. D C's Queen, all that great stuff,
and then a lot of really cool funk music and
it was just all very heavily beat based stuff, you know,

(08:10):
from the funk and the rock stuff with you know,
led Zeppelin and just ac DC just such great beats.
So that that was the stuff that like I discovered
and was just being played in the house. And then
like yeah, then it was like metal. It was Ozzy,
Motley Crue, Dio Maiden, and then like teenage years, it
started getting even deeper into like the Slayer and like

(08:34):
the you know, I even had a whole death metal
phase where I was into like morbidy Angel and Obituary
and like would go see those shows. And then like
fear Factory was a one for me because just they
were doing something really different like sonically that really stood
out to me. I saw all these bands do shows,
you know, I would just that was my childhood, just
seeing shows long in New York, just back and forth

(08:56):
on the train to see all those bands. And then
like probably around like the teenage years too, is when
like we had that whole explosion of electronic music and
I really fell in love with the Chemical Brothers and
the Prodigy just all again all big beat stuff. And
then that led me down to go into like raves

(09:18):
and New York City underground clubs and discovering house music
and just falling in love and like seeing how that
was like translating in a big venue with just people
going insane and just all of that stuff. So it's
just like the theme has just always been beat stuff.
So that's why it's like now this farum you know,
my life when people are like, you know, you I

(09:41):
love electronic music. You know, I have since you know,
teenage years, I've been part of the DJ world and culture.
You know. I literally was DJing in high school, you know,
because I had to. Like I was a percussion player
for an entertainment company like just for spare money on
the weekends, and one day the like flaked. So the

(10:02):
owner of the company was like, you have to dj,
and I was like okay, And I had to learn,
like with legit CD like cdj's that we have not
like putting CDs into the CDJs, you know, Like so yeah,
so it's it's all been there and then, and like
I would say too, like in in my high school
later high school years, it was like the New York

(10:22):
hardcore scene. I was really into and was in that
scene as well when played in two different bands that
was in that scene. That was really really cool to
experience that, like and it's prime like all these venues
that are gone in New York City now going there
to see these bands, and it's cool to see, Like
you know, obviously things just come back, like hardcores come

(10:43):
back now and it's like almost mainstream with your turnstiles
and all that. But like still with some forty one
we've played vessels with like sick of it all and
bands that are still doing it that like I grew
up playing shows with and going to see like they're
still crushing and you know, the scene is just never
went away. But it's just cool to see it doing
so well now and younger bands like the knock Looses

(11:06):
and all that stuff, which we just played a bunch
of vessels with them this summer with Cowboy, I think
like in these regions, like I think it's Scandinavia, so
it's yeah, I mean everything obviously, you know, comes around
comes full circle at some point. There's always like a
lapse and things just come back so much bigger, and
it's just it's cool to see.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, totally agree.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
It's it's wild because my old hardcore band played with
knock Loose like I think fifty no eleven years ago
or something, and the first time we played with them
was in a garage and they opened.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, in a garage.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah, there wasn't venues. It's crazy, like those shows were
literally because you know, especially in Long Island, we had
you know, we would do a hardcore marathon Sunday from
like noon to e at this one venue in Huntington
and that would be Haybree would come out, the New
York hardcore bands would come out, Long Island hardcore bands,
and it was just everybody and then it got violent

(11:59):
and ended. But we would do shows VFW halls, run
out of VFW hall, they shows there, skate parks. Then
when because when the owners then would see what went
on here and how crazy it was, they were like,
you're not doing shows at are you know, Nights of
Columbus anymore. We started doing them at people's garages, backyards.

(12:20):
My parents, bless them, let me have a hardcore show
in my basement where the kids were literally crowdsurfing, like
holding on to the rafters, and you know, like just
we did that once and only because my parents were like,
you know, obviously they look out the window and they see,
you know, kids smoking joints and drinking forty ounces, and
they're like, okay, we can't have this at our house,
you know, but like it's just because we ran out

(12:41):
of venues and stuff. But it was just it was
cool to just like kind of make your own scene
and like make your own flyers and like go to
shows and flyer. It's like kids don't even know what
that is now and they probably think that's the stupidest
thing they hear now, because they're like, wait, I just
put a post and like everybody could see and I
could tag certain things that we've seen, and it's like
we have to go to shows and stand out there

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and fly or you'd be in the middle of the
pit and throw a stock of flyers in the air.
They'd fall down, people grab put them on people's windows
in the parking lot, you know, in the windshields, like
staple them to, you know. And that's like obviously in
the in the eighties, like that's how the Motley Cruz
and Sunset Shrip they would go around flying and stapling,
which it was just it was cool. It was like, yeah,
it was a lot of work, but like you had

(13:23):
more pride in what you do. Now it's just like
click one button. It's like, you know, cool, AI make
me a flyer of the show, and it's like, oh,
there you go. It's just, you know, it's like it's
cool to come up in a way where you actually
had to physically do shit, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
And I've been seeing it come back a tiny bit.
And there was even stuff when I was in like
a cover band and stuff. Like last year we were
doing the same kind of things because it's like a
lot of us came from that world where we were
handing out flyers and we would go to bigger shows
around the area hand out flyers at the end of
the night, stuff like that. It's it's still there a
little but not as not as much as obvious it

(14:00):
was before. I wish it was more of a thing. Hopefully,
Like you said, everything's a cycle, So I hope it
starts to kind of come back as people realize that
which I hope people realize is that AI should not
be a replacement. It should be a tool. I'm final
with people using as a tool, but it should not
be a replacement for anything, and that's what was invented for.
But people take the commodity and the ease and they

(14:22):
take advantage of it, which is just that's just humanity
at its core. You did bring up hardcore bands. Letterbox
does a thing where they ask actors their four favorite movies.
I wanted to ask you put you on spot a
little bit, what's your four favorite New York hardcore bands?

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Sick of it All was one still is still enjoy
listening to them from the Long Island scene. It was
a great band, Vision of Disorder bo D. They were like,
oh yeah, they were my favorite from Long Island. Like
they're just the singer and the vibe, like everything about
that band was just so rad. There was a I
don't know if they were from Long Island or the city.

(15:00):
There was a band called Neglect where the singer would
like cut himself on stage, like just a wild band
and crazy breakdowns and like crazy shows. So like you know,
Neglect vo D Sick of it All and then probably
like the one that I saw a lot was probably

(15:20):
like Mad Bull, which is still We just played some
forty one play with them, you know, a year ago
at a festival, which we were just like it was
like hardcore and punk, and then we were there and
we were just like, oh man, you know, but it
was it was rather like Agnostic Front played like two
bands before us, which was awesome to see. But there
was a band that they were in the hardcore scene,

(15:41):
but they were just a little bit different and like
they at that time, I was into like experimental stuff,
and there was a band called Doggy Dog and like
they had horns and they would get like funny but
then they would get super heavy like they were a
cool band, which is funny to like, you know, you
asked that question, like go back deep in the brain

(16:01):
here to think about that stuff because it's definitely been
a minute. But yeah, I was, I was in it.
I had a punk band that then turned hardcore called
Planet Freak, and then I was in this other band
called Soe, which is a little bit more melodic. It
was fun. It was fun until it got you know, violent,
but like go into the you know, Wetlands, which was
a big venue in New York. Saw Murphy you know,

(16:22):
Murphy's Law. A bunch played a bunch of shows with
Murphy's Law. They're still doing it. You know. We toured
when I, you know, started Street drum Corps. One of
the first tours that we did, the lineup was insane.
It was the used on in Love and Death album cycle,
which was huge Street Drum Corps. H two Oh, Glass
Jaw and thirty Seconds to Mars What And we shared

(16:45):
a bus with H two O, which was awesome. You know,
great dudes, wild nights like you'll you'll never take the
you know, it's like writing a book, you know, you
forget certain stories and things have been coming out in
interviews because of some of the deep questions. But like
something I forgot to add in the book that you

(17:06):
just like talking about this, Like so we shared a
bus with H two oh and we were in somewhere
Pennsylvania and Ban Marjera came to the show and he
was like after party at Viva Labam, you know, his castle,
and this is before like uber and stuff, and there's
there's the US thirty seconds to mars hto like all
of us that want to go and call is until

(17:27):
very very late and literally I don't know how why
the keys were in there. But we took our H
two O and Street Drum Corp bus. Rusty from H
two drove the bus because he knew how to drive buses.
We filled it with the US thirty second months we
all went to BAM's house, partied, brought the bus back.
We get back and the tour manager and the bus

(17:49):
driver standing outside e rate like freaking out. But that
was that was a night.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
That's incredible.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Wow, that's yes, it's funny too because I just talked
to one of the guys from seeking Y too.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
So weird melding melding of worlds.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Your story with how you got an Electric Hallboys is
you can find it anywhere for a good reason. It's
a crazy story. It's an absolutely insane story of how
that came to be. What I didn't see a lot of,
but I did end up finding it, and it is
in your book. Is the story of you coming to
join Some forty one thing. I loved about it most
and I am paraphrasing what you said in the book,

(18:27):
is that become the guy that doesn't need to audition
to be a member of the band, or you said
something along those lines, which I thought was so cool.
And then hearing these stories of the Electric Hallboys, of
you filling in for Molly Crue and then the Some
forty one thing, you just shooting your shot at Derek,
just being like, hey, I heard the guy left the band.

(18:49):
If you ever need anyone, I would love the opportunity.
But I kind of dive deep into the story of
how that came to be, the kind of your relationship
with Derek, and how that blossomed into becoming Some forty one,
because it's it is a very fascinating series of events
that led to eventually you being in Some forty.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
One yeah, it was a journey for sure, you know,
over time, like we I was a huge fan of
Some forty one and didn't know them. And then on
the Warp tour, they were on a Canadian leg of it,
and I was out with Street Drum Corps and we
all wound up at the same bar. So I met
the guys, we you know, partied, and then like I

(19:31):
just kept bumping into Derek in la at clubs, events,
you know, shows. You know, He's good friends with Tommy Lee,
so's I.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
So we you know.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
I remember one night Derek and I just sitting behind
Tommy's kit for the whole show, like just watching the
show and passing a Babba yeg you know, yeager back
and forth, like watching Tommy drum like just cool stuff.
We just were always around and and then he collaborated
with Tommy Lee and I when we put together this
insane show called Berserk. We had all these rock stars
join us, so we worked together on that and because

(20:03):
of that, shortly after Shree Drumcark got our Vegas residency,
I invited Derek to perform for that, and like that
was the first time we like physically performed together because
when he did the thing with Tommy and I. Tommy
and I weren't in that part of the show. We
produced it and wrote it, but we didn't like, you know,
do that part with him, and like just to feel
his energy on stage and everything was just like this

(20:25):
dude is like just knows how to command an audience.
He's just a great performer. It's just really resonated with me.
And then, you know, Steve quit the band at that time,
and I was like, Okay, this is a band that
I love and I would love to be in. I
just put it out there and it just kind of
started as the band really wasn't a band at that time.
It was just like we just started becoming friends. It

(20:46):
was like come to my house for parties and then
we would jam a little bit. Come over one day,
jam a couple of songs and party, you know and
like and then he you know, wound up in the
hospital and he called me, let me know what had happened.
Right when I got back from my h and I
went and visited him. And then throughout his recovery, you know,
he was starting to get inspired again and write and

(21:07):
started you know, really dialing his studio in so he
would call me and say you want to come over
and jam or come help get sound. So it kind
of started that way. It's just like helping my friend,
you know, get inspired again and you know, recovering, and
then like jamming started happening and learning some forty one songs,
and then when it finally got to a point, it

(21:27):
was like, you know, he brought the guys out and
we spent a week together and then it was like
in after that. But it was cool to like they
didn't audition anybody else. They didn't have auditions like they
they didn't want like session guys. They wanted a brother,
you know, to be in the band, which is really cool,
which generally doesn't happen in those situations. But it was

(21:47):
just about putting it out there, you know, and going
for something and like what's the worst that could happen,
and you know, they don't respond or it doesn't happen.
But like I knew that they were going to get
berated by everybody, you know, because it's huge band. So
it was just about you know, going for something, and
you know, it's just I had gotten known as the

(22:09):
guy who can kind of jump in last minute and
fill in without rehearsals and whatnot, which is an honor.
You know. It's just like I think that just comes
from all of my years of just like putting in
the hours and cover bands and playing three hours a night.
It got to a point where we stopped rehearsing because
we didn't want you anymore. So we would just on
the way to the gig, listen to the new song
we had to learn, and then bang it out at

(22:30):
soundcheck or just go on stage and go for it.
You know. It got to that point. So I think
all that training really paid off later in life. But
like I hadn't exercised that part of my brain in
over a decade being with Some, and then the callboy
thing happened, and it was so amazing to like reactivate
that part and be able to deliver and do it.
And it came at a time where it was just like, Okay,

(22:51):
the end is about to be here with Some and
I don't know what's next. And after playing Electrical Way
and hang with them, I was like, I want to
be in this band, but that's not that's out of
my control. But I knew even if that didn't happen,
because I did this and was able to deliver, and
the story organically went viral and stuff. I was like, Okay,
I'll be able to get another gig at some point

(23:12):
when some's all done. So it kind of alleviated a
lot of like you know, insecurities and fear in that moment.
But yeah, it's like I just I came in in
a situation deliver for them. And then when it when
he you know, when he finally left the band, they
called me and it's been off to the races ever since.
You know.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, and the way Some forty ended is insane.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
You guys went out and probably the biggest possible way ever,
you know, getting inducted Hall of Fame, getting a street
named after you, getting the key to the city, everything
like that, like a massive, massive Swan song. You know,
the last record had a couple of number one hits,
sold out arenas, you know, like a level of success
you probably guys never even realized was possible.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Never would have. You know, we thought we were gonna
have a rad final tour. We know our fan base
is there. We knew it would be special, but all
these other things, it was never even in the vision
board because it was just like, you know, it just
it wasn't in our thoughts. It was just like, let's
just go out and celebrate this record, give our fans
a great tour, and then all this stuff happened, which

(24:18):
for me it was amazing to be part of that
because it's the biggest of the bands. Every it topped
everything they had done in their past and like to
be part of that because when I joined the band,
first of all, it wasn't a band, and then when
it became a band, we started in clubs again to
rebuild this band. So in a decade to go from
literally nothing to where it ended is really special to

(24:39):
be part of that, and that's because we put in
the work. We tore our asses off, we poured everything
into these records. We were brothers, and the relationship like
it ended on such a you know, there's no drama,
no drama like it just it was you know, it
was a great That's what so many people just like
think that when bands end, like because there's beef or whatever.

(24:59):
It's like, there was no of that. You know, it
was very lovely and it's just it was its time,
you know, and great way to go out, you know,
I think it made it even harder when you get
to this level of success and you're like, wait, this
is you know, ending wait in a month, like what?
So it's definitely a lot, But you know, Derek's always
just a believer of people. When he makes the decision,

(25:19):
that's what he stands for and believes in, and you know,
and better to go out on top than to keep
chasing the party, and and you know, you see that
so often when you're like this was a cool band,
this doesn't even represent it's an embarrassment. Now you don't
want to become that, you know. So it's like I
always respect going out on top. Then to just crash

(25:40):
and burn and it's like one dude left and they're
playing first on a festival to twenty people, and it's.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Like what you know, Yeah, that's that's a really good point.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
I did want to ask, though, seeing that success to
seeing like the possibility of things if there was anything
else to come. I know Derek has been, like you said,
he is once he says his mind, I did something
like that, and I've heard in interviews he's pretty adamant
of the band being done. But do you think if
the right opportunity presented itself, there would be a possibility
that that door is still open, or it's like nope,

(26:11):
we ended on such a high note, we're going to
leave with that.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
You know, there's been zero conversations or or plans or
any of that. Anything's possible, obviously, who knows, in time
and the perfect opportunities, but there's no there's no plan,
no anything, you know. I mean, I just played with
Derek recently. We just played with the Jonas Brothers. We

(26:35):
played into Deep with the Jonas Brothers, and I've sold
out Careena in Seattle, which was awesome to jam with
him and play that song and see it like go
over that well with you know, a young man and
all that. But like no, I mean he's on his
new you know vision, he's enjoying being home with the family,
working on his clothing line, and you know, it's just yeah,

(26:56):
there's just no plans. I mean, I know, like we
got rid of gear, you know, like it was just
very like you know, it ended. I took my stuff,
we got rid of our storage unit. Like that was
it was as final as can be. Anything's obviously possible,
you know, Like and it's like the Motley Crue thing,
like you know, they made a contract to play it again,
and they blew it up and then start playing stadiums

(27:18):
and you know, bigger than ever. It's like anything, anything's possible,
you know, but you know it's still so fresh.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
You know.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
We went so hard, you know, over the decade, except
for like COVID. The first part of COVID, you know,
everyone's Derek had his second kid. I had my second kid,
which was awesome to be home for all that, and
then he started writing. So then he and I were
secretly working together in the studio getting drums together, and
you know, because the drums obviously the foundation for every record,
so all that started happening. But because there was no

(27:49):
like normally we have deadlines because you have to go
on tour or the festivals, like we had nothing because
of COVID, And it's why it turned into a double record,
which was a blessing of that. We got to make
this great record and check all the boxes of like
the history of the band, and like for every fan
of everything, it's like there's nothing you cannot say about
that record. For the people that only like pop pong,

(28:09):
there you go, people only like the metal side of
some there you go, people like ballads, there, it's like
checked every box. But and it wasn't like some masterminded plan.
It just organically happened and we all came separately to
the same ideas and visions and which is like the
let the music talk, and it did, and we all
felt a tone, which was a special way that like,

(28:30):
you know, everyone kind of said the same thing individually
and thought the same thing individually, because in the beginning
it was like, you know, we got sen songs and
it was like twist of fate and rise up in
the same couple batch, you know, which I mean. Some's
always been like that though, which is what I love
about some. I love bands that take you on a journey.
You know, there's for every vibe you've got. If you're

(28:51):
feeling aggressive, if you're feeling an emo, if you're feeling happy.
It's kind of like got all those vibes. So they've
always done a great job with that. But since I
had been the band, like the two records before the
double album were pretty freakin heavy. You know, there was
some ballads on there, like war and Never There and
stuff like that, but there was zero pop punk. It
was just metal and some ballads. So it was cool

(29:12):
to be part of that, you know, and especially in
a time like COVID where everything was so dark and negative,
like I remember getting land mines and twisted fad and
like the joy and emotion that came out to be
playing those songs of new songs because I wasn't part
of that stuff, you know, from back and then obviously
we still played those songs live, but I wasn't part
of the creative process of that stuff. So it was

(29:32):
cool to just like, you know, be in that in
that time.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, speaking of being part of like the creative process,
now that you're fully in Electric Hallboy, a new single
just dropped ahead of the world where you guys are
currently on.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Did you have a hand in writing that and everything
that not?

Speaker 3 (29:50):
The new single that was that stuff was done you know,
prior to me being and we did the Still Waiting
thing together, which was like a really really fun experiment
because that was like we literally did it to pay
tribute to some forty one because we had to cancel
the festival to introduce me, and we just played like

(30:12):
the Riff and the Drop and that was it, you know.
So when I was going to do the festival and
they're like, let's do the whole song and let's do
a callboy, you know. So they sent me a demo,
you know. I then showed up in Europe and we
worked on it in the rearsal room together, worked it out,
played it on that Festil run because of just how

(30:32):
well it was going over. The energy and the response
were like we had a day off. We went in
the studio with track drums, so that was cool to
like go record with them. And then the music video
was all the live festival footage, you know, put together
the show like what it was like. So that was
really really cool. But yeah, they were pretty deep into
the new record, you know, at that time. But you know,

(30:52):
I'm sure, well, you know, collaborate more. I mean, we
have a jam room, not backstage, and you know Dan
and Iven jamming backstage and stuff, so who knows where
anything goes right now. We're just so into this tour
and putting on the best show right now. So that's
like the priorty. But it was great to you know,
obviously they make the best music videos. A lot of

(31:12):
thought goes into it, a lot of just madness. So
to actually get in on that action was so fun.
It was the hardest video I've ever done in my life,
and I've done so many damn videos because of the makeup,
the brain pieces we had to wear, like it was
all day. I mean, we didn't start shooting untill nine
thirty at night, and I was in the makeup chair

(31:35):
at like two pm. Like first of all, we had
to put on a crazy ball cap that they have
to glue to your head eyebrows, you know, they have
to put on as well, like bald eyebrows, and then
the makeup application, then the brain thing, which was like
so tight, like it bruised all of our heads, you know,
Like it was just so tight because the way they

(31:56):
had it to look, you know. And then like fighting
your body you just want to rock out to do
all of the like alien kind of moves to you know,
the vibe that we wanted to do. So it was
a really hard video. And we went till like two
two thirty in the morning, and that was like on
the sound stage where we were doing production rehearsal, because
it was like a hinting to give away the production,

(32:18):
you know. And then I had the wild idea to
play with these giant drumsticks which we were gonna cut
it and then we did it last minute and it
wound up being such a fun you know, people are
making you know, gifts out of it now, like you know,
the just because it's so ridiculous, but it was. It
was a fun video, but like a hard video just
because of the make and then after the amount, just

(32:40):
to get the glue off of your oh god face
neck like it was. I've never showered and scrubbed that long.
It was. It was. It was rough, and then we
were like back in the morning into running the set
of production rehearsals. So it's a wild but so fun
to be part of that process.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, that's a very cool music video.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
And it's like you watch it and you're like just
in awe of like what you guys pulled off to
make it and everything. It's it's a very very awesome
music video. I want to I want to pivot to
your book. That's where we're really here to talk about
a breakable rhythm. And I know the idea of this
book was to take what you've been doing in these

(33:20):
drum clinics and spreading the word of mental health and
of the possibilities of what anyone's life can become.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
And you want to take it.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
You know you obviously you're a full time touring musician,
and you have other things other than being you know,
you you're you're a husband, you're a father, everything like that,
and this is a way to kind of spread that
message to the masses in the easiest way possible. But
how did the concept of piecing it together with interviews
from your closest friends, your peers, and family members come

(33:54):
about to be a part of this book.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
The writing process was interview style. Jason Pettigrew, who wrote
for AP magazine for years, has interviewed me so much
over my career that when it was when I started
talking because I'd been collecting notes, I feel like my
whole life about if I did a book one day,
you know, and jotting things down, and I think like
when some was starting to end, I was like, Okay,

(34:17):
there's kind of a story. You know. I was thinking,
like in my head, there's kind of a story here.
And I was talking to my managers and we started
talking about, you know, people that I would do this with,
and Jason's name came up. I called Jason and told him, like,
this is what's happening at my workshops. And I feel

(34:38):
like because of the results I'm seeing, I feel like
this needs to be in a book so it's accessible
for everybody around the world. Twenty four to seven audiobook, ebook,
you know, physical book because it's literally the conversation we're having.
It's inspiring, it's motivating, it's saving lives, like just the wellness,
Like there's just so much packed in here. So he
was like, when's your next workshop. I told him he

(35:00):
came out because it's just something that you have to experience,
you know, and be there. So he was there. It
was at House of Band in Chicago, and afterwards he
sat bird's eye view, listen to the kids and parents
come talk to me at the meet and green all
these special moments and stuff. And then we went to
the dressing room for like an hour and he just
roll tape and we started talking and that is the

(35:20):
introduction of this book, which is so cool. So then
we just kept it in that style where we would
get on a phone call like one to three times
a week and we would just talk. And then from
that I started laying out Okay chapters and then you know,
he had to go through about a year's worth of
interviews and transcribe them and then place them into these

(35:41):
chapters he'd placed them in. Then we'd have shared, you know,
documents that I can go in and edit, and then
I'd start writing and elaborating on He'd leave me tons
of you know, clarify this, what year, I need more
information on this, so boom, I'd go in and start writing.
So we worked back and forth like that, and then
it was like, Okay, we're so can to this. We
need to make sure that a reader who's not you

(36:03):
or me, that we just know everything because we lived it,
we need to make sure that the reader can understand everything.
So we brought in a copy editor at the end
to just really give it a look through and make
sure that you know, which wound up being very, very
valuable and helpful to the process, which was cool. It
was just a really cool collaborative thing. And then it

(36:24):
was like that ended, and it was like, okay, audiobook time.
And then to answer your question about the guests, I
just kept referencing all these times and then I literally
just said to Jason, I was like, do you think
we should just get their perspective? Like key people in
my life from all walks of life, like when I'm
talking about playing a Motley Crue and all that, like,

(36:44):
be cool to get Tommy's perspective. Boom, we got him.
Everybody was like, yeah, just tell me when I'm where,
I'll get on a call. I let Jason do all
the interviews, so it was just they could be open
without me being on the call. And I never heard them.
I never heard them until they he put them into
the excerpts that we were working on. It was really
amazing and powerful to read this stuff, you know. And

(37:07):
we got family members of mine, the wellness and you know,
athletes in this book. So many legendary musicians, business people
I work with, you know, all of that. So that
was really cool because then it was like, as we're
getting into it, I'm like, okay, we should get him,
we should get this person, you know. So and literally
every single person was down, which was so special. And

(37:30):
I just feel like it's also a different thing because
I don't really see that in a lot of the
books that I read, you know, when they reference things,
it's cool to get those other people's you know, perspective
on a very important situation and stuff. So I just
thought that would make it different. And also like making
a different checking all these different boxes where I'm like,
if you don't even know a thing about drums or

(37:52):
you don't even like music, you'll get something out of
this book. So that was like the goal of this
whole thing. Just I wanted to just do something different.
We've read so many books about the crazy rock star
stories or just being a musician, Like there's just so
many sides to me, and just seeing how these conversations
I'm having, how well they're going, I was just like, okay,

(38:14):
this because that's like always my thing when I'm driving
home or flying home after these events and I'm like decompressing.
I'm just like, these are so powerful. How do I
get this message bigger? How do I you know, I
could do more events, but it's a big world, and
it takes a lot to put these on you know,
and not on my but for you know, coordinating and
if there's a budget to fly there or how it works.

(38:37):
You know, like we were blessed before COVID Bands was like, Yo,
these this is amazing, go tour it. We want it
free for the kids, and we'll pay your touring costs
to do it. Covid happened. Companies don't have that now,
so I've had a pivot to figure out how I
could do them. So, you know, I do a handful
of year, but it's a big world, and I just

(38:57):
feel like I want to use my spotlin to highlight
this stuff and if it could help somebody or give
them some insight.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I've listened a lot of resources in the book as well.
Just check a lot of boxes, I think. And yeah,
it's coming out a week from today. It's just insane.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, by the time this episode is out, it'll be
out so you can purchase it and everything like that.
For the audio book, I know I've heard you in
interviews talking about how you were recording obviously the audio
for it for the guests.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Are the guests recording their parts as well?

Speaker 3 (39:29):
No, like, just too many people and it was going
to be hard to off. Yeah, like just timing and
all that I had. You know, my publisher is Modern Drummer.
I had the owner do all the male voices of
the book, and then we got a female to do
the female so it's like, it's cool so when there's females,
you hear a female voice.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
And all that.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
It was. It went better than I thought, you know,
like I would do about two to three chapters a
day for about a week, and then what I was
doing is af I would finish, like I would record
and then go through an edit. And I did it myself.
I edited myself because I just I wanted to. I
just wanted to control different takes certain things. So I

(40:14):
just did it all myself. And then I would after
I edit it, I'd have to go proof you know,
listen and read along to the manuscript, have to bounce
the thing down, upload it for you know, the publisher.
So it was a it was a big thing, but
it was a very triumphant thing to be able to
like really do it myself and to do that work.
It's it's you know, I'm literally tonight I have to

(40:37):
like listen to another five hour version of it to approve.
So it's like this the last thing here, you know,
and then it's like then all the fun stuff. Then
we just get to go do events and and you know,
talk to people like yourself to spread the word on
this book. But yeah, it's it's really insane. Like they
just sent me a picture of like the printers with

(40:58):
you know, the stuff being printed. It's crazy. To see
it's actually like real, you know, like I still don't
believe it, you know, because it's just like something such
a bucket list thing, and you know, it just we
made it happen. We just we made it happen and
happened in the most organic way. We made a deck,
you know, and we were just like sharing it with
people we knew in the industry, and Modern Drummer came

(41:21):
out to do a drum rig run down with me.
The owner wasn't there. He and I caught up on
the phone the next day and he's asking me what
I'm doing, what I'm working on. I told him about
this book, and he's like, well, we have a publishing company,
Send me the deck. Send the deck. A deal came immediately,
and then it got real and it just it makes sense.
It just totally makes sense working with, you know, a
drum outlet. Then their distribution is tight with School of

(41:45):
Rock and does all stuff with School of Rock. So
it's like so meant to be with the people that
I work with in my life, and they've been just
completely I've had one hundred percent creative control. I didn't
have to like, you know, submit manuscripts to them. For
them to approve. It's just like send it when you're done,
and we'll put it out. Which is really great to
have like creative control of this and and not have
any other cooks in the kitchen like they believed in

(42:07):
my team of my co writer and our copy editor
and that was it. Even even my manager bless him
like I gotta thank him, Like he was on all
the emails to read all the chapters and he never
butted in. He let just let us do your thing.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Incredible, that's really amazing.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
When did the idea to have like an accompanying EP
would the book come about?

Speaker 3 (42:30):
With? No, it was not, it was not even a thought.
Like I was in living in Europe over the summer
doing festivals and it came time to like pick the
photos because there's an extensive photo gallery within the book,
and I'm going through my life and just had iTunes
playing in the background, and these unfinished songs came on

(42:52):
and I was like, the emotion of this book is
like these songs. So I literally had it. I uploaded
it to like soundclub or something, and I sent it
to create music group who had been working with to
the A and R there and I said Hey, man,
I said, I feel like this is a soundtrack to
my book. It's an EP. Here's the you know, the
music to check out. Here's the books coming out. And

(43:14):
he was like, we'll put it out. He's like he
didn't even listen to it. He just was like, I
believe in you, and I believe in what you're doing,
and just literally was like, yeah, we'll put it out.
So that's really cool, you know, as another added thing,
like people can scan in the book and they'll take
you to the EP you know, in the audiobook, it's
going to have a little bit of that stuff to
bookend it as soundscape stuff, which is cool. So then yeah,

(43:36):
then I went up, like, okay, I got to finish
these songs, just like mixing and mastering, you know, stuff
like that. But it's the instrumental songs. There's a female,
two different females on two songs. And then my favorite
part was I had my kids do the single and
the EP art. I was on the road and I
was just like they were having trouble with me, you know,

(43:56):
being a way, which they always do, and it was
just like a way to stay connected. So I came
home and played them the music and I just said,
draw whatever comes through your mind, because my my uncle
did that for me when I was young. He was
teaching me piano lessons and he was just like I
think he was trying to do an experiment on like songwriting.
He's like, I'm going to play something right now, and
what do you see?

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Like, what do you see?

Speaker 3 (44:16):
You know? And I think that's always been like deep inside,
you know, from having that at such a young age.
So I said to the boys, I'm gonna play the
CP just start drawing, and they and then that was it.
Then I was like, Okay, let's hone it in now.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
So I like this.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
I like that, you know, and then we put it together.
But it's it's really cool that to make them part
of it, and like you know, they're geeking out on
and like they Spotify, they see their art you know,
on Spotify and stuff, and it's just a special thing.
And that's another like personal thing about this book was
to have this from my kids. They're young now, so
you know, one day for them to like read this

(44:54):
about their dad and like share it with their kids,
Like that's just like a personal, really cool you know
meaning behind it. For me, that is really cool, like
I wish I had that about like my grandfather who
is like a huge role model and you know stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
So cool.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
My my father in law actually did did a book
which is really really cool, like you know one you
can make it yourself kind of and you know, my
mother will help him with it. And he's got a
very big family and a really crazy, you know, interesting life,
so he made like a book himself, which is super
cool that we have that you know, be in the
family forever, that our kids will you know, pass down.
So super cool.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
And I know you said you wanted to craft something
different with this book, and I think you nailed it.
I think involved with it is so it feels so fresh.
Like obviously, doing like a kind of biographical story of
your life is not a new thing.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
It's obviously the thing that's been done a million especially
in the music scene. It's been done time and time again.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
But the way you've crafted it, in the way it's
formatted is it is like super engaging, you know, seeing
those different point of views and everything is it's it's
very cool, very well done.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
So mission accomplished.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I didn't know, man, I was you know a bit
like is it going to be to all over the place? Like,
but I'm like, I don't care. This is just we're
on this path. And then when I started see it
to come together in the way that we you know,
we things do circle back around. You know, you'll hear
something repeated because of this and now why it's in
this chapter, because of what happened there. So like there's

(46:24):
a lot of that kind of stuff which was cleverly done,
you know, and it's like what I like about it too.
I was just like I'm getting when I was getting
the chapters and stuff, I was like, oh, man, is
this going to be like a four hundred you know
page books, And it's not. It's one hundred and fifty
two I think one hundred and fifty two pages. So
you can bang this thing out weekend. It's like a good,
you know, fun you know read for you know, the

(46:47):
school of Rockets that I work with. They're younger, you know,
so it's like, you know, I think for their bandwidth
and like the world they live in now where everything
is so social media and quick, it's like a good read.
I hit all the important marks. It's it's kind of
all and yeah, I'm really really excited about you know
how it all came out at the end of the day.
It's it was a big, big feat like a huge

(47:08):
definitely one of the hardest things I've ever had to do,
you know, the hours that just went into especially when
it was like finalizing manuscript then audio look, which is
still not done. It it's like we're still you know,
a week out and it's like still not done. So
like I literally had a backstage yesterday because I don't
have my rig on tour with me. I was just
like into our band crew chat. I was like, who

(47:31):
has a microphone and a sound card? I have to
re edit something for this book. So I'm literally in
the wardrobe room yesterday backstage where it's like half jam
room half wardrobe room. Our wardrobe girl is sewing, and
I'm like redoing you know, the intro part of this
thing backstage, but like, you know, gotta get done.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
That's that's that's amazing though, And it's cool how involved
or which I mean is it's shock. So usually this
show is very pop culture based, but with your book
coming out and with the story you had, I felt
like there was corners we could reach into that I
haven't heard in other interviews, so I wanted to dive
into those pockets too. But I do want to talk
a little bit of pop culture, so I want to

(48:15):
start with your relationship with pop culture. Listening to these
interviews and you know, trying to get the lay of
the land for this this episode, I was like, I
don't know if this guy, because I haven't heard back
from your lovely pr person if you watch TV or
movies or anything. And I was just like, I'm going
to do this interview regardless. I want to make it
happen anyway. And hearing like how kind of like disciplined

(48:36):
you are with with health and wellness and being present
and stuff like that, I was like, I don't know,
maybe he doesn't watch here movies And then hearing you, no,
you do, you do? So, like, what is your relationship
with with TV or movies? Is kind of like a
recreational thing, like a nice kickback thing while you're on
the road. Is it kind of a way to connect
with your partner, your kids when you're home. What's your

(48:58):
kind of habits of consuming?

Speaker 3 (49:01):
So these days movies are planes because I'm the American
and Electric Hallboys. So the amount of you know, I've
gone back and forth since joining this band like six
seven times, and it's a very long flight with three
flights to get to Germany. So yes, I've watched you know,
you know, your typical nothing that I that you know

(49:24):
stands out that like I would you know, oh my god, this,
you know, it's like just plain movies that you're just
kind of passing the time stuff, you know. But like
TV series are my thing. Like after a rehearsal when
I just need to like shut off, I'll either read,
like I'm reading a book right now called Good Stress.
I'd love to read, you know, on the summer, I
read Mark Hoppus's book when we're doing festivals. Now I'm

(49:45):
reading this Good Stress book. So I do love to read,
like I have, you know, in my bunk, if I
have any energy left before bed after the show, I'll read.
I don't watch, I don't game. I don't watch shows
in my bunk on a day off in the hotel
room when it's just like just time to just like decompress.
It's TV shows. So like I watched all three seasons

(50:08):
of Welcome to Wrexham because my kids play soccer and
I know it's a huge thing in you know, in
in Europe, in UK and South America, and we're actually
I'm taking my family to a game when they come
visit me on tour. So I wanted to just like
learn about it. And I love you know, Rob McElhenny
from It's Always Setting in Philadelphia is one of my
favorite shows. I've watched that show forever, you know, since

(50:31):
the beginning, so I love him, and that show was
great learning just about the culture, the fans and a
small town, just all this stuff and what goes into
running a business of a team and the leagues and
all this stuff. So I watched all three seasons on
my back and forth you know flights. So that was
like this summer what I watched. I just watched the

(50:53):
first season of the Studio with Seth Rogan, which is
like very Hollywood making movies and all that really really cool,
so many cameos. It's kind of like Entourages, which I
used to love that show. It's got a little bit
of the entourage like vibe of like Hollywood and movie
making in it. Kurbry Enthusiasm was like probably my favorite show,
which I watched the final season of that on Planes

(51:15):
when that when that came out. There's a show that
I just watched the first season on Netflix and it's
like I watched it a while ago and I forgot
and when it was like in my you know, like
recently watched and I was like, what is this Sufs, Like, oh, yeah,
I did watch that. There's a bunch of big actors
in it, and it's like more like couples and like

(51:36):
they oh four seasons, yes, nice, thank you. Four seasons.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
I watched that first season. That was just interesting, interesting,
A lot of feels going on on that one, from
funny to whoa you know, like that was a good one.
So yeah, four seasons. I watched that season. And then
when I was in Vegas during COVID times and I
was just in the studio recording and I would be
back at my hotel, I started watching The Morning Show

(52:02):
on Apple TV and that just picked up a season.
So I've been watching that again. That's a wild show.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
I just going through all of the seasons of that
to catch up to the new season over the past
like month and.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
A half or so.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
And I was because I thought because when I saw
like recent there's been in Jenniferns and I was like, Oh,
it's gonna be kind of like bubbly, funny kind of thing.
And no, I watched the pilot and I was like whoa,
I wow, And I've just been entranced in that show.
I can't believe four seasons in it's still like as
good as it has been since totally first season.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
It's at But that's just like me on planes and
hotels on tour, like when I take some time like
this is the most recent stuff that took me a
while obviously to get through because I don't just been
binge watch or have the time to. But yeah, generally
I'd rather read and then my favorite shows. And it's
family stuff which my kids are into, which is just

(52:57):
on the wellness tip and all that which we we
watched Limitless with Chris Helmsworth, which is just seeing him
do all this which is a lot of stuff I do.
Be put in these situations with cold exposure, hot exposure,
having to compete a task in a limited amount of time,
and you know all this stuff. Kids, My kids really
got into that. Like I watched the first season with
my wife and now as a family, we're watching the

(53:20):
Newest One. And then my wife and I when we
were getting ready to go last year to take the
kids to Italy, we started watching Tucci in Italy just
about to learn about you know, dining and all these places,
and we started taking notes. And then now the kids
are watching Dinner with him because they came to Italy
and they loved it so much. So that's a cool,
like family one that will pick back up on, you know,

(53:41):
when I'm home for the holidays. You know, my wife
and I used to to like our date nights whenever
I was off the road, you know, on a Friday
or Saturday, if I was home, we'd watch a show.
And we honestly haven't done that in a long time
because we've just been like more because I've been gone
so much, just like actually connecting and talking instead of
just sitting there and not talking. So we've kind of
just like I haven't really like I haven't really sat

(54:03):
on the couch and done that. Obviously, holidays are gonna
be different because we get to just like really chill
and watch a lot of you know, my kids love
all the holiday movies that we all watch a million times.
And you know, Nightmare for Christmas and Home Alone and
National Lampoons, all the classics, so you know that that'll
be fun to get back to all that. But and
then honestly podcasts because I just I love to learn

(54:26):
and by the people in the in my world of wellness,
and you know, I love Rick Rubin's podcast and the
guest that he has on you know, you Berman, and
you know, there's so many that I just love. And
then I love the comedians just for just stuff that
just you know, hear him talk shit and just funny
stuff like Bert Kreischer and you know a lot of
the comedians Whitney Cummings and stuff like that. It is

(54:48):
always great to just listen to to those podcasts.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yeah, I'm a big podcast guy too. My go tos
are Deak Shepherd's podcast.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Because it is kind of very mental health and where
you come from from, kind of focused, and it's it's
kind of cool to see famous people feel grounded and
when you usually they don't feel grounded, but when you
listen to met them and talk about about stuff, and
you're like, oh, yeah, he is just another dude. He
just has a very different life than most of us
and then there's on the comedy side. There is Jake

(55:19):
Johnson from New Girl. He has a podcast called We're
Here to Help, and it's him and his friend and
they basically taken calls of people who have problems and
they give them pretty much like bad advice, advice on
their problems. It's a pretty it's a pretty funny.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
That's usually like my driving.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
One, traveling in the gym, you know, because my ears
need a break, like you know, right, because of especially
on tour, I just things are a loud all the time.
So you know, I don't have any problem with motivation.
When I'm at home, I'll because I'm prepping for a tour,
I'll crank as I'm working out the electrical how boys

(55:58):
set just to you know, repetition and just get back
in the vibe of everything. But mainly though, like today
I was in the gym at the hotel, it was
just a podcasts. Like I just my years need to
have a rest, especially in a day off. So yeah,
that's a lot better for me. Like I don't need
to have Blast Slayer to get motivated, Like you know,
I have no problem motivation and rather just like listen

(56:20):
to people talk softly and just you know, loud music.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
I usually listen to podcasts at the gym too, So
thank you for making me feel like not a psychopath,
because usually when I tell people that are like, are
you insane, and I'm like, no, I don't know. I'm
fine with just working out with people talking.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I don't totally.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Yeah, even in the sauna, I'll put on a podcast,
you know.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Frank, thank you so much for taking time out to
talk to me today.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Thanks for having me on and just helping spread the
message of this book. That's just the goal is to
just spread awareness, have as many people you know, you know,
have this as a resource, and that's my goal and
mission of this book, you know. And it's just really
it's fun to just get to talk with you know,
people about it, and it's exciting now that like it's here.

(57:06):
So obviously this is gonna be out when the books out,
So everybody who hasn't checked it out, check it out.
It's ebook audiobook Amazon worldwide, and you know, physical copies
you're going to order on Amazon as well. And if
you have checked it out already, thank you for the
support and I hope you know it resonated with you
in some way. And I can't wait to start hearing

(57:27):
people's you know, comments on that and having that interaction,
seeing that kind of feedback. That's going to be really exciting.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
And now I'll make sure a link the thing everyone
down below. If you're interested in the book, I'll put
links down to buy the book, to check out his workshops,
everything like that, so you can click there in an
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Speaker 2 (57:53):
Until next time, See you Aaron Nerds, See you guys.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
Sh