October 14, 2025 • 53 mins
Jesse Korman of The Number Twelve Looks Like You returns to Metalcore Nerds to talk about producing the new Foxy Shazam record, working on Terrifier 3, his upcoming directorial film debut, and so much more!
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Speaker 2 (01:00):
What's up, every One?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Welcome the most potive pop coop Contrasts and the multiverse
mother coorn Nerds. The podcast that features members of your
fair bands. Is We explore their love of pop culture.
I'm raw Shanama and this week I'm joined by Jesse
of the Number twelve. Looks like you welcome back to
the show.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Back, I'm back. If you thought I was gone.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I'm back back better than ever. I would say, maybe, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
You know that we'll circle back to that hard to say.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Okay, fair, fair, fair enough, that's life.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I guess that's why.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, we were we were chatting a little bit before
we hit record, and we were both under the impression
that the last time we talked was way sooner than
it was. But it was three years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Three years ago.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I think.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I feel like life is separated by COVID. I feel
like everything pre twenty twenty is a lifetime, and then
everything after twenty twenty is another lifetime. So I judge
everything based off of that big book mark, and after
twenty twenty, if it doesn't make sense, I'm like, yeah,
I understand it doesn't make sense. Time is truly an illusion,
(02:06):
and I get a all hippie dippy in it with it.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, I totally agree. Like I had the same reaction.
I was just like, I want to make sure we
don't really talk about the same things, and there's like
a new section of the show, and I was wondering
if I asked you about it and the other one,
and I checked the date and I was like, wait
a second, It's like that was not three years ago.
That's insane.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And a lot happened in three years, Like whether it's you,
whether it's me, a lot happens in three years.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
We're going to get into Jesse's been to in these
past three years. But of course, whether we return to
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Before we dive into pop culture talk, we're gonna kick
off the show look we do every week with the
Metal Core Nerds. Song of the Week. Song of the
Week this week is from the band Dead Eyes. This
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is their latest single, turn the Lights.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Off, Associtated and know the Medicated.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Our reality is Fadingnsin's gonna save us from the right
cry out world.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
And so we're bout in the same every way. You
can run in, gotta very the same way, no way.
You kind of feel the thing.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
You don't know who you are until you're lost. Feel
the job, can think you know it up, stet it up.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Both apart.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
We just stand the sun until we all go and
live alone until the whole world stand. If you know
you are in the time, try.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
To lie off, try the life of.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Someone. We kind of one another. We don't feel the plot.
We don't know. We go in a nobody's right here
right now.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Got to wake up from the selling so churkey st
right after right up day that troll you off?
Speaker 8 (04:55):
Why you follw yourself?
Speaker 6 (04:56):
You don't know who you are until you're lost. Let's talk.
You think you know it up? Set it up.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
About the black will stand up and SA tell.
Speaker 8 (05:06):
You all go lettle up to the whole world. If
you want to know you and it time satele all
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you'll know who you are from the world. Go STARTCRD.
It falls upon you.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Don't know who you are when you go through Hello
guy yourself, don't know, don't know.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
You never know till you still you think you know.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Me again. That was Dead Eyes with their latest single,
(06:29):
turn the Lights Off. It is off their new album,
Black Hole Heart that is out now via Thriller Records.
So if you like what you heard, go check out
their whole album. The band's been touring a lot friends
of the show. Their bass player Eric was on the
show a few months ago, so to go check out
that episode also as well. And it's just some really
dope metalcore from Maryland. More music recognitions. Make make sure
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you check out the middle corner. It's pull us out
by play us. I update it daily. You can find
the drug link in the show notes below. Now, I
went back to our old episode, like I was saying,
and I didn't ask you this question. I'm actually very
shocked I didn't ask you this question. So we went
in full depth of how you got into the entertainment industry,
(07:13):
from the music touring industry and everything like that. But
I didn't ask you what got you into pop culture
in the first place.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I don't even really know what pop the beginning of
pop culture was. I guess, if I had to guess,
it would be just my earliest memory as a human being,
which was Michael Jackson. That's as pop culture, I think
as you can probably get in the eighties seeing all
of his music videos and Moonwalk or the movie and
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just everything everything Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It was just that was it.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That was the north star to life for me? Was
everything Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Was there any movies you like remember when you were
a kid where you're like, oh, I love movies.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Oh you're saying pop culture movies at the time.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, like like like a movie that you remember from
like you saw it when you were a kid, and
you're like, I love the feeling of movies or anything
like that that you like remember from when you were
a kid.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Probably. I mean, look again, it's it's either Michael Jos.
It's it's either Michael Jackson for something that was pivotal
in my life, and the other one is Pewey Herman.
It's those two. Those are the two ying and Yang's
that sort of complete me. Is my foundation. So Pee
Wee's Big Adventure was probably the one I would say
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that just made me love the journey that I went to.
I felt like, do you know the movie?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Oh? Yeah, I felt like I was.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I knew what Texas was. I felt like I knew
the basement of the ALBUMO. I felt like, I like,
I literally felt like I lived in those places because
of how much texture it created and the and all
the music sounds that Danny Elpin created when he's hitchhiking
across to go to Texas and going across the States,
(09:08):
It's like you really just felt like you were in
the fabric of that sort of time. And to me,
it's like that's what movies do. They transport you, you know,
that's that's that's what it brings you along a journey.
And I don't know, there was something about that movie
that just it was my demographic too. I think, if
if I'm correct, it came out either eighty three or
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eighty five, can't remember which one. I think it was
eighty three of the year that I was born, But
I was the exact demographic of that person.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So what a cool Yang Yang Yeah. Michael Jackson and
pe B Herman I mean two of the I mean
easily the biggest like characters and personalities of our lifetimes.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Easily, I agree. I I feel like, what's a weird
thing to say is I feel like I when I
later in life, in my twenty series first, whatever the
fuck it is, I feel like people who are legitimately
into that same exact sort of combo, I tend to
feel like I've got like a real personal connect, like
we before even knowing that, I sync up with those
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kinds of people, without even trying, I'm just like, whoa,
we're unsavable wavelength. And further, it's like, oh yeah, I
love this. I love when growing up and watching this,
I love Oh my god, Paul Ruben and this, and
you just I'm like, that's my people, That's what it is,
And I don't know what it is. It's maybe I
don't know it's certain because it's not for everyone. You know,
it's not. It's it's like, it's it's not like people
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be like, oh no, I listened to Metallica growing up.
I'm like, I never listened to Metallica, and sure, like
I am who I am, but like I just grew
up in a different way.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You know, speaking of incredible personalities. I talked to Eric
for Fox's Exam last week for last week's episode What
a just genuine, beautiful human. Honestly, I really enjoyed talking
with them. I know you who worked a lot with
them on their new album, Whether It's Coming to You
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did their promo shots. I know you produce the music
video that Eric directed, which I didn't even know he
directed the video, which I think is really cool. Tell
me about that, like helping them with this new album.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
A quick micro background history, So when I was about
nineteen twenty years old, Foxy was the first band I
ever managed, so it was wow, I had them. I
must have managed him for about fifteen years something like that. Yeah,
very very long time. And then I actually continued to
work with Eric through his solo career. That's when the
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whole Maclamore downtout thing happened as well. So we just
me and Eric kind of never stopped because even after
the whole mackamore thing and the solo career, then I
was fully into film producing and I was putting him
in movies, so he was in my Don Johnson movie
High Heat. Just just sort of constantly just working together
since we were basically teenagers. So yeah, I had them
(12:04):
for the first album that we did together, Introducing We
recorded that out in Seattle with Casey Bates, and then
I did the self titled and then I did Church
of Rock and Roll, and then we parted ways from there.
We took a brief sort of hiatus from each other.
From there. Then I had Eric be the voice of
one of the characters in my kid's puppet show, Shahoulies,
(12:26):
and he was a google Ogula bac and then he's
we were like, hey, let's do this again together, So
started working with him as a manager with his solo career,
and then we got this whole Maclamore thing that happened
and everything just exploded, and then we started doing some
of the acting stuff, and then I really got fully
(12:46):
into film producing. I just didn't have any any time
at all. So maybe I want to say this is
about three fuck. I think this might be around three
years ago. Now, Foxy had come back from a little
bit of a hes and and I was like, oh,
you know, me and my old business partner, John Black,
I was like, hey, fox he's coming through town. Let's
you know, for old times sake, let's go, Let's go
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see him. You know this will be fun. So we
went to the show in New York and it just
like hit it really hit me, just every so many,
so much of a wave of emotions had come over
me watching the songs that we all did together, the
whole craziest journey of a rollercoaster of a journey together,
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just like hearing a song and then remembering where we
were hearing a song, then remembering the certain tours, and
just we went through so much of life together. And
I left that night thought about it, and something just
kind of hit me where I just didn't feel like
my journey with Foxy was complete. So I called Eric.
(13:48):
I'm like all right, I was like, hear me out.
I think that we're missing something together. We were not done.
Business isn't done between us, I said, and I want
to come on board and help produce the next album.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And I was like, I.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Have this idea. You have this idea. So me, me
and Eric sort of got together with our ideas. I'm like,
all right, here's sort of like and we sort of
dissected a lot of like the ideas of what it
was going to be and where we want to go
with it, just all the stuff how we did the
old albums, and you know, where Eric sort of he's
always got such a good vision and where I sort
(14:26):
of come in is the creative vision with him, so
sort of enhancing that, sort of taking to next level.
So next thing, you know, a Box of Magic was
created and written and recorded. So just every step of
the way from the spark of the album, all the
way to the to the imagery, to the music videos
to I mean everything all together. And that's how we
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used to do it for the back in the day
to at least again for the journey that I was
part of with them, which was from the beginning right
after Flamingo Trigger, then it was those and then after
I believe after that it was they had done Gonzo,
they had done Heart, Behead You, they had done Burn
and then another album. So I think this is their
(15:10):
tenth one.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So yeah, do you even you even manage bands, let
alone manage that. That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, that was It's like I have my chapters in
life and my lifetimes, and that was a big one.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Was was management.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I worked. I worked. I was managing Foxy to the
first man I ever picked up, second band was a
band called Bad Rabbits.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
That makes so much sense. Honestly.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I had some producers and and then I got picked
up by Crush Management, who had, you know, famously known
for all the fall Out boy panic and disco stuff
and now Miley Cyrus and Weezer and Green Day, so
they had sort of absorbed my company, brought everything, all
my artists in that. I quit number twelve after I
was managing. I just I would just I felt like
I was just going crazy. I was like, I've never
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done anything outside of music for the last decade of
my life, and I just felt like I needed something
more to show for myself, and so I quit music altogether.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Wow. Yeah, I can relate to that.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, you know how it goes.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I do know how it goes as someone who just
left two bands he was in the last few months.
I get it. I understand it. I mean, very rooted.
Not all my design stuff, but most of my design
stuff is all music industry stuff. And then there's this
We're not necessarily talking about music all the time, but
it's very rooted in music, you know what I mean? Right,
(16:31):
So I totally get that.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
But you'll never be able to get away from it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
No, it's it's it's in my DNA and it will
be there forever. There's no way. I just think I've
gotten better, and I'm sure you can understand this too,
And I think I've just realized this thirty five years
into my life, is that I just love being busy,
and I love doing so many things, and I think
I've realized that I can do a lot and just
(16:59):
not kill myself doing it, and just do less of
those things and go one hundred percent. I always go
one hundred percent whatever I can, but going one hundred
percent in less things is probably better for everyone involved
in my life to gondre to a million things.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Because you know what winds up happening is you go
one hundred percent for every single thing. That saying you're
not going one hundred percent, but the amount of things
you're going one hundred percent for. I'm back going one
hundred percent for everything. But when you spread yourself in
and I've learned that was again all my different chapters
of life, then some point something will not be one
(17:35):
hundred percent and then you're sort of like, well what
am I doing? It's like, I know that could be better,
but I'm only giving it eighty percent because I have
to do this other thing, and it just I think
around like the thirties, age wise, is where you start
realizing your priorities and also you start realizing your value
as an artist. At that point, you're like, you know what,
(17:56):
I know, I don't have to do this fuck flyer
design for you know, two hundred bucks. It's not worth
my time anymore. It's like I'm gonna either double my
price or I'm just gonna say no and just put
my focus elsewhere.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
It's like you have to prioritize, you have to value
your time.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, and that's definitely I've learned to focus that in
a like a way more proficient manner, I think in
this last year, I think. But yeah, that's that's So
what does producing a music video look like?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
What what is your job? In that?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
It's not that far from film producing in a way,
you kind of like, so onset producing is is kind
of in a way producing a music video in a
little bit of way. Okay, So we mean, you know,
I'll be talking with ours because you know, I do
a ton of these music videos, but for Foxy in particular,
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it'll be like Okay. I always have the idea, and
I'm like, Okay, I wanna, I want to do this.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I wanna.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I want to hold on to the back of a car,
and I'm sort of hanging on and I'm singing the
song and I see go karts and he sort of
just says a bunch of like keywords, scenes, everything like that,
and I'm sitting there and I'm just okay, jopping down this, Okay,
all right, that's cool, Okay, cool. I'm trying to string
this all together. And then I where my head goes
(19:20):
as a producer is you have to look at numbers first, first,
and foremost creative. That's Eric's part, so I don't have
to worry about the creative. It's gonna be creative. He's
already saying all the creative. I have to see if
he's what he's saying is going to financially make sense
for this whole project. So he'll start saying stuff, say stuff,
say stuff, and I'm like, okay, green screening here and
(19:42):
you know, renting a plane interior there, Okay, and then
we're thinking about, Okay, what's the budget for this. Okay,
we're gonna finance this, and so you have to sort
of start breaking down. Let's just call we want to
film inside of the cockplit pit of an airplane. Okay,
so you have to start thinking about, Okay, are there
any available near me? No? How much would it be
(20:04):
to recreate it? No? Okay, how much would it cost
to green screen?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
No?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Okay, where are the sound stages that have it? No?
None of it's financially viable. So then you have to
pivot with the creative. So again, like I said, you
think logistically first, so that the creative is always number one,
and then it's like, okay, hey, this is incredibly The
budget for this is going to be the budget for
the whole music video, and that's not including camera costs
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post production. You have to think about all those different
elements when you go down to that sense, like, okay,
what else tells that story that's just as cool, if
not cooler, that we can do for a fraction of
that price. Okay, Well what about we you know, we're
standing on the runway of an airport? Okay, I like
where this is going? Tell me more? And then it
sort of goes there. Okay, so well to shoot this
(20:52):
on green screen and we'll have the artist here. Okay, cool,
that's affordable. Now we have enough money to hire the
right cinematographer, have the right lights. So I bring on
my cinematographer. Then we have lighting people. Then we have
different camera rigs, then we have rental trucks. Then we
have the factor in all the post production, because when
you film it it all you got to think about
(21:13):
the posts and that's also another cost. And now you
think about the editing, the coloring, just the time of
keying for all of the green screen stuff. Then you
start putting everything together. Then you start thinking about the
day of filming. Then you start thinking, Okay, how can
we shoot this in one day? Okay, we can't. How
can we shoot this in two days but still be
under budget?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Then you start factoring in what does one full day
look like. Okay, nine AM's gonna start here, ten AM's
going to be here, to twelve us here. Then with
the brake fill and so we have to travel forty
five minutes okay, so we need to get everybody in cars,
we need to get here wardrobe, and so we start
thinking about all those and you just put numbers next
to all that. By the time you're done, you should
be able to have a call sheet that has everything
(21:53):
listed with all the crew, all the scenes, everything, and
it should hit that budget. And that's sort of producing.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, going to say, I was like, from what I
have gathered from listening to interviews, researching and everything like that,
like the producers takes the idea of whatever is being made,
whether it be a music video, film, TV show, whatever,
and they make it logistically possible.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yes, that's correct without produce. And that's why at the
end of the day, a lot of producers own the
rights to things movies. The produce. The producers are the
ones who owned the rights because they're the ones who
just did everything that I describe. But also they're the
ones who are finance finding, the financing everything like that.
So when they make a sale and it sells to
(22:35):
a distributor, they're selling the rights to it. It's not
the director that's not there there they don't have the
rights to it. So that's sort of how that's sort
of how it all sort of comes into play.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Eric.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It's like, that's why I love working with him, because
he's such I can turn the creative side off and
just let him run with all of it. As we've
done in the past for so many things, so I
can just focus on producing, But there's the creative producing,
which is everything that we spoke about, but now add
in all of the creative stuff, so you have you
now have to come up with all the stories and
(23:10):
everything like that, which is like what I do for
all the other bands that I do. I just did
three Hala Sun music videos back to back to back,
and it was exactly that sort of just putting all
that stuff together and then produce it.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So that crazy matrix looking halos On music video, is
that your idea the.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Song for Blight that looks like it's a kind of
matrixy meets like Chris Cunningham Apex swings.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, that was me. That was wild looking like it's
it's like an visual onslough. You're like, WHOA, what the
am I looking at?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I wanted to give. I wanted to give anxiety. That
was really what I wanted.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I was like, I have.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I was just like, let's just think of the most
unsettling imagery as much as we can. And we had
a you know, we have very specific but so we
could can just spend like crazy. But that was meant
that I was like, we need adrenaline and anxiety and unsettling.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
And that was it. Nailed it, for sure, for sure
nailed it there. Thank you. So since the time we've
talked to each other, I got really excited when I
saw you post about this. You worked on Terrifier three.
I want to know how that, How did that conversation
come about. I'm sure it's probably like it was some
sort of connection through your work in the film industry
(24:27):
and somehow that wounded up in your lap, But how
how did that conversation come about for you to And
it seems like you were like the the basically like
the on site photographer for the movie, because any art
the clown image you've seen for Terrifier three, this guy
took it. It's on a T shirt, it's on a poster,
it's on whatever. Jesse took it, which is so fucking rad.
(24:49):
But like, how did that come about?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
The series of events that that led to this is
still so wild. But it was like a January day, cold,
whatever the fuck, it was, just whatever day, and it
was I was just sitting there on the couch and
I'll just just get a DM from the schedule and
he's like, hey, on Instagram. He's like, hey, you should,
you should hit this guy up. And it was just
(25:12):
a story. He sent me a story. I'm like and
I look and I'm seeing it and it was Damian
Leoni and I'm like, oh shit, this is a Terrified guy.
And it was just words that just said I'm looking
for a New York local photographer tomorrow. And it was
like it was like the morning time, and I was like,
sitting there, I'm like, there's no way the guy from
(25:33):
Terrified two is looking for someone for Terrifier three. I'm like,
he's got to have an arsenal of photographers sitting at
his like sitting just waiting. So I was like, maybe
he's got like a new project going, who fucking knows.
And and for me, I was still producing with you know,
doing my thing film producing, and so I look at
my calendar, no zooms, no meetings, no nothing. I'm like,
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fuck it. So I hit Damien up. I'm like, hey, man,
like big fan of your work, and and I'm available
at my website Jessecorman dot com and you can see
my Instagram page. I'd love to be considered for this.
He has to be back. He's like, holy shit. He's like, yes, please,
I would love to have you. I'll connect you with
our first A D and the producer. And I was
like okay, cool again, not thinking much of it. I'm
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just like, okay, cool, like this, I'm curious, see what
it is. Connect with them we go. So next day
I show up to set and I see on the
call sheet it's like it's a different name, and I'm like, oh,
I wonder what this name? Whatever?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
He is?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
And so I'm walking, I meet Jamie the first AD
and I was like hey. I was like, I'm Jesse
And I was like, so, what's this? What's this movie
all about? I'll and you know this this name?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
She's oh, She's like that's just a code name. But
this is terrifier sir. I'm like that was pretty much
like I'm like, oh shit. So I'm like texting some friends.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I'm like yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I was like, I didn't think it was going to
be but it is. And sure enough, walk on set
and the rest is kind of history. It was it
was only supposed to be a day one sort of.
It was only supposed to be one day thing, and
it was day one of filming, and it was It
was probably one of the best experiences out of like
the thirty seven probably forty films that I've worked on,
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like produced or shot that I just it was so
fun front to back the most in like everyone fucking
just like good energy, good environment. And they were just like, yeah,
just do your thing, and I literally just did my
fucking thing. I just walked around. I just shot what
I thought was cool. I shot a lot of the
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prosthetic makeup going onto the monster and the scene where
he's sort of hammering and the mother Mary sort of
she's there, and that was the first day, as it
was the whole dream sequence of Siena, and so it
was that was my first day and I'm shooting all
that and they're doing the special bags and it was
just like everyone you can just tell. There was such
an energy in the air that like everyone knews like
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this is history in the making. And I was just like, man,
I'm sot and honor to be part of this whole story.
So I really thought it was just gonna be that
one day and I was like, oh, I hope they
like what I did. And I sent all the photos
sent with Damien and he was like, holy shit, man,
this is incredible. And next thing I know, they offered
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me to do the whole.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Movie and I'm like, ye, yep, I'm in, and that
was it. That's awesome. Yeah, I admittedly am not a
very big fan of those movies only because they're not
my thing. They just make me feel, which it does
the job. It just makes me feel so like gross
watching them. I'm like, the kills are so brutal, and
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it's just not my thing. But I can fully admit
that Arthur Clown is probably like the most like iconic
horror villain in the last like decade at least of
like as far as new Like he is up there
with like all of the greats at this point, you know,
like everyone knows who Arthur Clown is, you know what
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I mean, regardless of you've seen Terrifier or not. And
I know what you said, he's like, oh, he probably
has an arsenal. But you need to remember Terrifier two
was not meant to be anything. Terrifier one was kind
of this, you know, like cult classic thing. Terrifier two
was so big in its limited release, it got a
short why theatrical release, and then that was so popular
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they extended it which is like unheard of, you know
what I mean, that's crazy, especially for all a very
R rated horror money. I mean, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I don't even know if it was rated R. I
think that the NC seventeen, right, I think it was unrated.
I mean, Terrifier three is the highest grossing unrated film
of all time.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Right, yeah, you're right. Yeah, but I remember, you know,
obviously we spoke once before this and then became Internet
friends and things like that, but I remember you posted that.
I'm like, that's so cool. I love that. I was like,
I was like, I know a guy who worked on
Terrifier three. Like I was like, that's that's so rad.
So that's that's very cool. And obviously they're working on
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a fourth. So I hope you get the call back
for that. I'm sure you will, because all the imagery
you posted look amazing.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Thank you, thank you. Yeah, it's like I said, it's
it's crazy to see it everywhere. I mean, you weren't kidding.
When I have a shelf here in my studio dedicated
to just all the terror, like I don't even have
I probably don't even have a fraction of the stuff
that's actually out there. But the stuff that I have
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on my shelf of just my images from popcorn buckets
to cups to barf bags, the pins, the T shirts
to posters, I mean literally every keep like everything. And
I'll always remember Dame like we were on set, We're shoot,
I'm shooting, and like we're like well into filming, and
I just remember towards the end. I just remember I
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was just like, I was like having so much fun
shooting this one scene and I got oh and I
got covered in blood because there's a scene where Art
shoots the bartender and I was right up close shooting
the bartender of Art shooting him, and a blood shot
right into right like everything was usually blocked by a
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plastic but that tiny window hit me so much and
it shot all over my lens, all over my camera,
all over my face, all over my shirt, everything, and
it was like scared me because I was like, oh
and it cut. I just sat there like this laughing,
and I posted a picture of me covered with blood
and my camera covered blood, and I remember I was
(31:39):
like I went to dam I was like, man, I
was like, I'm just having so much fun. I just
want to say thank you again. He's like just know
these photos are literally going to be everywhere, and I
always and I always think about that. I'm like like, yeah,
I had a feeling because you know, there's so much anticipation,
but man, he I didn't think it was going to
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be like I mean seeing billboards and marquees and sides
of buildings and I'm just like, oh my god, this
is literally like it was just kind of a shock
to me and I'm just, oh no, It's just one
of those like Forrest Gum moments where I just feel
like I'm running through life and then some sort of
thing happens where a monumental thing is happening. I just
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happened to be right there, and I'm like, how did
I end up here? Like who am I?
Speaker 5 (32:25):
You know?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
And yeah, I'm so so, so, so so grateful for
everything that of all them, Damien and the whole team,
they're just they're the best.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
And I'll always have so much respect for Damien because
I know, I saw he was on this podcast I'm
talking about He's like every major studio was trying to
buy the rights to Terrify her and he was like, no,
this is mine.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I'm keeping it.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And I'm like that's so fucking rocket. That's so sick.
He was right, he doesn't need it. You don't need it.
So's it's so cool to see him just like stick
to his guns, like this is my shit and I'm
keeping it my shit, and it to me that successful
and like hit the zeitgeist in the way it's like
(33:13):
you said, earth clowns everywhere, Like I went and sparent Halloween.
There's like a million art the clown things, Like you
can't escape it. It's everywhere. Escape It's undeniable.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Speaking of movies, you're going to direct your first movie
or have directed your first movie. I have.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I have directed it, and I have delivered it, and
I'm waiting for a release date.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
That's why I was going to ask Yellow Eyes, see
what attracted you to finally I'm being around the business
obviously directing counselss music music videos and then being producing movies.
You're kind of like, I'm sure that's always been in
the back of your head, but like, what about this
movie make made you finally make that jump to be like, yes,
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this is what I had.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Been working for a company. And there's a producer Joe
Swamberg who you look him up. He's done countless, countless,
countless films, including the VHS. He had a show on
Netflix called Easy. I mean, the dude's an absolute monster
of a producer, like very quite legendary in his own
sort of way. And he had the they had the
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idea of doing a slate of five horror movies for
a certain budget, so small budget, and he had picked me.
He's like, hey, he's like, you know, he wanted I
think he had wanted somebody who was like me in
a sense, like music video directors know how to get
a lot done with a small amount. That's just a reality.
All the music videos out there are fighting the good fight,
(34:39):
all of you. They're the ones who make I can
almost promise almost none of them are making real money
at all. But they're doing it just because they are
able to. It's it really is. You have to love
making music videos. To do a music video, you have
to love because labels and bands just don't have that
kind of money to throw away at creating a music video.
(35:02):
It's promo material that's not you. There's no return on
stuff like that, you know. So this was the exact
same thing. I knew how to make a budget work
for a certain amount of money, and so for that
reason he's like okay, He's like, well, what what kind
of project do you have? And so the sales agent,
this guy Nick, he had, sort of went around to
the different markets around the world, went to all the
(35:25):
buyers distributors. Everything's hey, guys, guy's like, a you know,
kind of what kind of movie you all? Are you
all looking for? What's what do you guys want to buy?
Instead of me coming to you saying I have this
movie to sell you, what kind of movie do you
want to buy?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
What are you looking for?
Speaker 3 (35:40):
And across the board horror and then a smaller group
of people they wanted a Possession exorcism horror and then
another and then another layer low budget so low budget
Possession exorcism horror movie. And so I called my buddy
and Mickey, I'm like, hey, what can you do in
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the fastest amount of time with these parameters? So I
sort of said, here's the things going back again. Music, video,
thought process, give me one location, give me a couple actors,
give me give me something modern, super super modern, like
right now modern, because if you think about possession, exits
and movies, TV shows, they're all in the nineteen forties.
(36:22):
This story happened, oh the conjuring in the nineteen seventies.
It's all something here or there or whatever. Obviously there's
modern possession of extras and movies, but I want to
get something that was relatable. People who were freelance people,
people who work paycheck to paycheck, and they're they're just
they're they're they're sort of down and out and you know,
they're just they're they're falling at the hard times, and
it's just like, ah, I need a brick, I need
(36:43):
a brick. Oh shit, I inherited this house from a
relative who, from uncle who what? And so that's where
the story really begins and where it goes. I think
it's a little too early to say because I have
worked on this. I didn't start any press for the
movie yet, so like, I still have to figure out
(37:04):
the wording of it without giving too much away, because
I feel like I'm about to like just explode with
the whole like synopsis of everything. So that's sort of
where it started, and Mickey had thrown and dude, the
even crazier thing was that we had to shoot this thing.
There was a tiny window that we had to shoot
this with Joe's people in Chicago, in Chicago, a place
(37:27):
I was so unfamiliar with with his people because they
had done four other horror movies. Like I said, the
five Slate, they had already done four of the movies
back to back to back to back. And I'm the
last one to go up and I'm on fucking tour.
I'm literally on tour with Paula Troy number twelve and
we're just on tour and they're called me, like, we
need you to move now, and I'm like, I'm like,
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I'll be querque. I'm calling Mickey going, dude, we need
to like, I need you to write this tonight. So
he's speeding and writing speed right. I'm like, okay, this
is good, and we're sending it back to Joe. Literally,
this all happened in like two weeks from the thought
to a delivered script done.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
It was like two weeks.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Joe sent back his feedback, He's like, this is a
great start work on this. Okay, Nicky, why don't we
try this change this character to this next thing? You know?
Two weeks later? Okay, cool, you have now two and
a half weeks to get home. And then be in
Chicago to start filming, and so I'm like scrambling, and
then Joe's like, Okay, here's the people you want, here's
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the dps that you can choose from, here's the art
direct And I'm sitting there on tour, like I said,
like half away because we just played the show the
night before, where I'm like in the front passage looking
at DP work. I'm like, Okay, this guy looks pretty good. Okay,
this guy looks pretty And I'm sitting there going through
the script trying to come up with the shot lists
and everything. Man, let me tell you talk about the best, best,
(38:52):
best experience, Like shot the whole movie for about one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars in twelve days.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Whole thing.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Wow, And it would And I am so proud of
it because I know it's not going to change the world,
but for what we did, I couldn't be more proud
of couldn't be more proud of it. It's it's something
that I I I'm like, I just feel so strongly
putting out into the world to be like, hey, look
what we did for for how much we did? We
turned this around so well so fast. So yeah, I'm
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like over the moon about it.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
So you said waiting for release day, I'm sure we
can probably expect it next year.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
I would imagine there was talked about it this year.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Oh wow, yeah. Do you know where people are going
to be able to watch it?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
So a company called an Inaugural, A new distribution company,
a newer one. They I believe they're met there down
the chain of ownership, I believe is Amazon. I think
Amazon owns them. So if I had to guess Amazon, cool.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
That's well. Everyone everyone be on the lookout for news
about Yellow Eyes, and when that's dropping, I'm excited to
check it out. I love a good one location horror movie. Yeah,
it's excite me because it strips away everything and makes
you focus on, you know, the character and the story
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like that. That's that's that's what makes it exciting and
then and that can be very very cool. So I'm
excited to see that, very very excited to see what
what you what you put out there? Do you want
to know what have you been consuming lately? TV? Shows, movies?
Has there been anything you've been watching lately and really
liking or not liking? It can go either way.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I have been consuming a lot surprisingly why. I don't know.
I guess it's just I come in ways. You know,
I'll go a couple of months without watching anything, and
I just need a break from it all. I think
we all, I think that's kind of everyone, you know.
I mean, so, I just I'm just going I'm just
going to sort of spit ball a bunch of them.
Alien Earth on Hulu incredible, absolutely incredible. What they If
(40:59):
you haven't seen it, people watch it. It's it is
so good. There's some pretty good harror movies. Bring Her
Back was probably one of my favorite ones in the
more recent times. That one just I mean, it just
leveled up and maybe it's gonna make everybody level up
in their sort of space, in their genre space, because
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those motherfuckers, man, they just those filmmakers, the brothers, they
just man, it's like the the writing that they that
they have, the store like between talk to Me and
and Bring Her Back, just the way everything was right,
the way they build their anticipation, and then you throw
in their expertise of special effects, makeup, and you know,
(41:43):
the scenes like I don't want to spoil anything. When
you look at some of those things, all that goes
through my head is how did they do that? And
that to me for someone who knows how a lot
of that stuff is done, for me to scratch my
head like, okay, so they cut that shot here, they
picked it back up here, and I'm trying to break
it down like a science and for to like excite
(42:06):
filmmakers and people like that, to keep them on their toes.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I'm like, this is to me? This is that? To me?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Is it like it's it's just every it hits everything,
It hits everything. So love that. I enjoyed weapons. I
wouldn't say I loved it.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
I enjoyed it, which actually is kind of weird because
I feel like Zach Kreger lives in a world almost
or at least where you see if people talk about it,
at least online or in person. He usually lives in
a realm where it's either you love it or you
hate it. So I'm actually kind of happy to hear
someone that you're like kind of middle leaning positive but
still kind of middle of the road. I like what
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he's doing.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
I watched a new conjuring. I thought that that the
last rites I took my nephews to go see that.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
That was cool.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
You know, classic classic conjuring. I guess you're not not
changing anything what you imagine it to be.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
That's fine, it's pretty much what i've heard.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yeah, it's literally exactly what you probably imagine it is.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
That is what it is.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Yeah, I feel like I've watched. I really feel like
I have watched a lot. But you know how it
goes when you like, what have you been watching? And
everything just goes blank and then you hang up and
then you're like, oh, wait, I forgot about I watched this,
and I watched that. I wonder why that happens.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
But yeah, that's that's kind of what I wonder why
that happens. I always have to write them down. I
understand that it does happen, but I do I have
a list. Well, Letterbox is obviously amazing for movies. Yeah, yeah,
and I know they're transitioning TV stuff in, but like
I don't know if I'll do that because I don't
want to kind of mixed. I don't know. There's there's
also an app for TV, but I just for some
(43:43):
reason I didn't connect with it like I did with
Letterbox and movies. But I have an ongoing notes list
of every series I watched from this year ranks. Oh really,
And it's a very lengthy list.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
It's a very how many how many? How many things
could you count? How many you've done?
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I think it's over fifty series from this year.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Wow. Yeah, top top ones.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Severance Season two, Pit Season one, which was so it's
honestly incredible. I did not expect to like it as
much as but the acting, the format, the just the
story is so fucking top notches to watch it and
(44:26):
or season two, which is crazy how good that is.
And I think it is kind of ruined Star Wars
for me, and knowing that, I know nothing will ever
be as written as well as that show. I think
he's the best written Star Wars thing ever. Like, Wow,
I don't I wouldn't know. I don't know if I
would say it's the best or my favorite, but I
think it is the best made and best written Star
(44:47):
Wars thing of all time, and I don't think anything
will ever top it. It's truly phenomenal. Alien Earth is
up there. I loved Alien Earth. I think I think
the last two episodes aren't as good as the first
six episodes. Sure, a lot of the the ideas of
the series. I loved and I don't think and I'm
not one of those people that are like they didn't
(45:07):
answer every question. I'm mad because that's not TV you
need in order for it to continue. I'm fine with that,
but I feel like in that, like last montage, it
was almost like way too much of a setup for
something else. And they obviously kind of and they told
the story was like the Lost Boys that was the
main thing, and the and they had a full arc
for that, but I think it was like I think
(45:30):
the one that made me not angry, but I was like,
I kind of wish they almost left it out was
like the Whalen new tiny ships about to arrive in
the short scene and then you're like, yep, you're not
gonna find out anything about that. I was like, yeah,
I just left it out, and it wouldn't have mattered,
you know, because it's such a short scene and they do.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
And it's also just like great.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
And now what you kind of saw that coming anyway,
So it's like the implied notion of it could have
been enough, and I think it would have made me
less upset. But that series is incredible. If they don't
Green Life for a season two, I'm to be so
upset because it's so so so good.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Yeah, I think that's gonna get green light for sure.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
And I know the ratings for it were like really high,
like it was, it was like super high, and like
the streamers like de Throne, Netflix for like the most
streamed thing at the time and stuff like that. So
I love Love Alien Earth. There's a show Task on
HBO that starts starts Mark Ruffalo that show.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard that was good.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yep, so good. It's the same creator and team that
did Marriby's Town. So no, that's also and it's supposedly
in the same world. It's very much the same tone.
Instead of like a who done it, it's a very
much you kind of know what's going on, But the
way it unravels key bits of information that feel like
bomb drops, but they don't present it as a bomb drop.
(46:47):
It's just kind of like shown in bits of dialogue
and stuff is so and awesome and I really appreciate it.
It's got a few episodes left, but I'm loving that show.
If it's six landing, it's definitely gonna be in that
upper echelant cool of TV. And there's a show that
has a new season out, but I'm catching up. But
(47:08):
it's called The Morning Show. It's on Apple TV. Plus
it's like one of the first Apple Dude, I'm on
season three. I cannot believe how dark the show is.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Very dark for like a thing that looks so bubbly too, because.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
You see who's in it and you figure it's gonna
even if it's a drama, it'll be kind of comedy leaning.
It stars Reese Witherspoon and Jennifer Aniston, which obviously are
known for like comedies and sitcoms and things of that nature.
But I've heard great things about it. It just never
watched it, and then I was just kind of I
don't know. Something brought me to watch it, And after
watching like the pilot, I was like, whoa, this is
(47:46):
not the show I expected to be in a very
good way like it and it follows a morning show.
It's called The Morning Show. It's pretty much like Good
Morning America, just in this fictional world. But it's very
much feels like a mix of Succession and House of Cards,
like the Best Way. I told my friend that and
he's like, WHOA, That's not what I expected that show
to be. And I was like, dude, it's so good.
(48:09):
Steve Carrell's in it, John Hamm eventually gets into it,
Greta Lee eventually gets into it. Many Kaling's in it
a little bit. It is so good. I am shocked
up how good it is. Yeah, and I think season
five just started, so I'm still working my way to
just started, so I'm still working my way to get
to that. But wow, I feel like more people need
(48:32):
to talk about the show, and obviously people have to
watch it if they keep green lighting like Apple TV
is like now they've become this like prestige streamer, you know,
with stuff like Severance and to Lasso and things of shrinking.
And obviously the Morning Show has been there. It was
like one of their first series. Yeah, but I can't
recommend that show high enough.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Holy shit, I mean, are we surprised that Apple is
just dominating another market?
Speaker 1 (48:57):
I mean, you know, no, I've been kind of the
biggest true leader for Apple TV plus for years. I've
had it since the day one. I mean they gave
it to me for free for I think like a year,
so they just kept extending my free trial. I don't
know why. And then after that, you know, At that time,
it was only like eight dollars a month, so I
was like, sure, whatever, eight dollars a month. Now it's
(49:18):
like thirteen or whatever. But I'm still keeping it. I
don't care. I love it.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
Nice ploy for Apple TV.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yeah, you're welcome, Apple TV. You get that one. I
mean I've been singing its praises for a years, so
I mean I will say Apple TV's their pr people
are very good to me with screeners, So there is that.
Thanks thanks for that.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Thank you Apple, thank you.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Oh my god man, Alien Earth. I do want to
say the last thing on Alien Earth. It's become When
seven season one was coming out, every guest I had
on that I would do this section with, they would
bring up Seferance, and now Alien Earth has become that show.
Every come on is like Eric Foxer xam. Yeah, I
was shocked. He's like Alien Earth, I love it, and
(50:04):
I'm like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Like every week everyone. I mean, there's not many shows
that are ending off an episode with just an old
school Alison Chains song. You're just like, what the fuck,
It's just and like, yeah, anyways, I don't want to
have to keep talking about alien Everyone. Just go watch
Aliens if you haven't seen it, there you go. It's
fucking great.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
It's amazing. Thank you so much for coming back on
the show Man. It was it was a pleasure catching
up with you.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Yeah, you too, man, it was three years too long.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yes, I I agree. I think we need to catch
up more often for sure.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
Hopefully the next time that we talk. I hope that
there is some other monumental things in my life that
that will happen. That's all I can hope for me too.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
I'm hoping the same thing for you, hopefully for you.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
I mean, look, you're you're doing. You're doing your thing,
leaving bands and doing things, and who knows, maybe it's
gonna be like maybe you're gonna be too big for
all of us us. It's gonna be like.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Before we totally leave, let the people know where they
can find you. Where you have going on? Any number twelve?
Stuff you got coming up? Any any other things?
Speaker 6 (51:10):
What do I have going on?
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Yes, new Number twelve. We are. We just put out
a couple of singles and we are basically prepping for
our first full length release in probably like six seven years.
So we have that. We have some cool tour plans
for next year. Again, still too early to say, but
as you know, fellow designer artists trying to sort of
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grow the commercial work. So started we started a new
company called Channel Distortion, which is a creative agency, and
we're creating primarily social media content, So just producing a
lot of that content for different brands that aren't so
much like band related or this sort of weird avant
garde sort of thing. It's just more commercial brands. The
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indie film producer, the indie show people. They're just there's
not much money in it. There's just people who aren't
paying for it. And so the people who have money
are these brands. And so people are always gonna want content,
they're always gonna want to do things, but who are
the people who are gonna have the money so that
content can be made? And so the whole world is changing.
Everything is changing. And I've been doing this long enough
(52:19):
to sort of see the pacing and the pulse of
where it's going. And I do believe that we're going
through a major shift right now. So that's kind of
everything in a way. There's more, but who care? So
they don't need to hear any more about me. That's
that's that's enough, very fair and all.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Very very cool stuff. But again I will link down
below with where you can find Jesse, where you can
support Jesse down in the links below. He Wants Apart,
the podcast Going Milkharnes dot Com are links there in
one easy place, and you find to follow me in
my personal account. It's just at sean exspond, Instagram and Twitter.
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Speaker 2 (01:00):
What's up, every One?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Welcome the most potive pop coop Contrasts and the multiverse
mother coorn Nerds. The podcast that features members of your
fair bands. Is We explore their love of pop culture.
I'm raw Shanama and this week I'm joined by Jesse
of the Number twelve. Looks like you welcome back to
the show.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Back, I'm back. If you thought I was gone.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I'm back back better than ever. I would say, maybe, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
You know that we'll circle back to that hard to say.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Okay, fair, fair, fair enough, that's life.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I guess that's why.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, we were we were chatting a little bit before
we hit record, and we were both under the impression
that the last time we talked was way sooner than
it was. But it was three years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Three years ago.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I think.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I feel like life is separated by COVID. I feel
like everything pre twenty twenty is a lifetime, and then
everything after twenty twenty is another lifetime. So I judge
everything based off of that big book mark, and after
twenty twenty, if it doesn't make sense, I'm like, yeah,
I understand it doesn't make sense. Time is truly an illusion,
(02:06):
and I get a all hippie dippy in it with it.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, I totally agree. Like I had the same reaction.
I was just like, I want to make sure we
don't really talk about the same things, and there's like
a new section of the show, and I was wondering
if I asked you about it and the other one,
and I checked the date and I was like, wait
a second, It's like that was not three years ago.
That's insane.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And a lot happened in three years, Like whether it's you,
whether it's me, a lot happens in three years.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
We're going to get into Jesse's been to in these
past three years. But of course, whether we return to
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Before we dive into pop culture talk, we're gonna kick
off the show look we do every week with the
Metal Core Nerds. Song of the Week. Song of the
Week this week is from the band Dead Eyes. This
(03:14):
is their latest single, turn the Lights.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Off, Associtated and know the Medicated.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Our reality is Fadingnsin's gonna save us from the right
cry out world.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
And so we're bout in the same every way. You
can run in, gotta very the same way, no way.
You kind of feel the thing.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
You don't know who you are until you're lost. Feel
the job, can think you know it up, stet it up.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Both apart.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
We just stand the sun until we all go and
live alone until the whole world stand. If you know
you are in the time, try.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
To lie off, try the life of.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Someone. We kind of one another. We don't feel the plot.
We don't know. We go in a nobody's right here
right now.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Got to wake up from the selling so churkey st
right after right up day that troll you off?
Speaker 8 (04:55):
Why you follw yourself?
Speaker 6 (04:56):
You don't know who you are until you're lost. Let's talk.
You think you know it up? Set it up.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
About the black will stand up and SA tell.
Speaker 8 (05:06):
You all go lettle up to the whole world. If
you want to know you and it time satele all
(05:28):
you'll know who you are from the world. Go STARTCRD.
It falls upon you.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Don't know who you are when you go through Hello
guy yourself, don't know, don't know.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
You never know till you still you think you know.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Me again. That was Dead Eyes with their latest single,
(06:29):
turn the Lights Off. It is off their new album,
Black Hole Heart that is out now via Thriller Records.
So if you like what you heard, go check out
their whole album. The band's been touring a lot friends
of the show. Their bass player Eric was on the
show a few months ago, so to go check out
that episode also as well. And it's just some really
dope metalcore from Maryland. More music recognitions. Make make sure
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you check out the middle corner. It's pull us out
by play us. I update it daily. You can find
the drug link in the show notes below. Now, I
went back to our old episode, like I was saying,
and I didn't ask you this question. I'm actually very
shocked I didn't ask you this question. So we went
in full depth of how you got into the entertainment industry,
(07:13):
from the music touring industry and everything like that. But
I didn't ask you what got you into pop culture
in the first place.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I don't even really know what pop the beginning of
pop culture was. I guess, if I had to guess,
it would be just my earliest memory as a human being,
which was Michael Jackson. That's as pop culture, I think
as you can probably get in the eighties seeing all
of his music videos and Moonwalk or the movie and
(07:45):
just everything everything Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It was just that was it.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That was the north star to life for me? Was
everything Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Was there any movies you like remember when you were
a kid where you're like, oh, I love movies.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Oh you're saying pop culture movies at the time.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, like like like a movie that you remember from
like you saw it when you were a kid, and
you're like, I love the feeling of movies or anything
like that that you like remember from when you were
a kid.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Probably. I mean, look again, it's it's either Michael Jos.
It's it's either Michael Jackson for something that was pivotal
in my life, and the other one is Pewey Herman.
It's those two. Those are the two ying and Yang's
that sort of complete me. Is my foundation. So Pee
Wee's Big Adventure was probably the one I would say
(08:39):
that just made me love the journey that I went to.
I felt like, do you know the movie?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Oh? Yeah, I felt like I was.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I knew what Texas was. I felt like I knew
the basement of the ALBUMO. I felt like, I like,
I literally felt like I lived in those places because
of how much texture it created and the and all
the music sounds that Danny Elpin created when he's hitchhiking
across to go to Texas and going across the States,
(09:08):
It's like you really just felt like you were in
the fabric of that sort of time. And to me,
it's like that's what movies do. They transport you, you know,
that's that's that's what it brings you along a journey.
And I don't know, there was something about that movie
that just it was my demographic too. I think, if
if I'm correct, it came out either eighty three or
(09:30):
eighty five, can't remember which one. I think it was
eighty three of the year that I was born, But
I was the exact demographic of that person.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So what a cool Yang Yang Yeah. Michael Jackson and
pe B Herman I mean two of the I mean
easily the biggest like characters and personalities of our lifetimes.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Easily, I agree. I I feel like, what's a weird
thing to say is I feel like I when I
later in life, in my twenty series first, whatever the
fuck it is, I feel like people who are legitimately
into that same exact sort of combo, I tend to
feel like I've got like a real personal connect, like
we before even knowing that, I sync up with those
(10:11):
kinds of people, without even trying, I'm just like, whoa,
we're unsavable wavelength. And further, it's like, oh yeah, I
love this. I love when growing up and watching this,
I love Oh my god, Paul Ruben and this, and
you just I'm like, that's my people, That's what it is,
And I don't know what it is. It's maybe I
don't know it's certain because it's not for everyone. You know,
it's not. It's it's like, it's it's not like people
(10:34):
be like, oh no, I listened to Metallica growing up.
I'm like, I never listened to Metallica, and sure, like
I am who I am, but like I just grew
up in a different way.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You know, speaking of incredible personalities. I talked to Eric
for Fox's Exam last week for last week's episode What
a just genuine, beautiful human. Honestly, I really enjoyed talking
with them. I know you who worked a lot with
them on their new album, Whether It's Coming to You
(11:06):
did their promo shots. I know you produce the music
video that Eric directed, which I didn't even know he
directed the video, which I think is really cool. Tell
me about that, like helping them with this new album.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
A quick micro background history, So when I was about
nineteen twenty years old, Foxy was the first band I
ever managed, so it was wow, I had them. I
must have managed him for about fifteen years something like that. Yeah,
very very long time. And then I actually continued to
work with Eric through his solo career. That's when the
(11:41):
whole Maclamore downtout thing happened as well. So we just
me and Eric kind of never stopped because even after
the whole mackamore thing and the solo career, then I
was fully into film producing and I was putting him
in movies, so he was in my Don Johnson movie
High Heat. Just just sort of constantly just working together
since we were basically teenagers. So yeah, I had them
(12:04):
for the first album that we did together, Introducing We
recorded that out in Seattle with Casey Bates, and then
I did the self titled and then I did Church
of Rock and Roll, and then we parted ways from there.
We took a brief sort of hiatus from each other.
From there. Then I had Eric be the voice of
one of the characters in my kid's puppet show, Shahoulies,
(12:26):
and he was a google Ogula bac and then he's
we were like, hey, let's do this again together, So
started working with him as a manager with his solo career,
and then we got this whole Maclamore thing that happened
and everything just exploded, and then we started doing some
of the acting stuff, and then I really got fully
(12:46):
into film producing. I just didn't have any any time
at all. So maybe I want to say this is
about three fuck. I think this might be around three
years ago. Now, Foxy had come back from a little
bit of a hes and and I was like, oh,
you know, me and my old business partner, John Black,
I was like, hey, fox he's coming through town. Let's
you know, for old times sake, let's go, Let's go
(13:08):
see him. You know this will be fun. So we
went to the show in New York and it just
like hit it really hit me, just every so many,
so much of a wave of emotions had come over
me watching the songs that we all did together, the
whole craziest journey of a rollercoaster of a journey together,
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just like hearing a song and then remembering where we
were hearing a song, then remembering the certain tours, and
just we went through so much of life together. And
I left that night thought about it, and something just
kind of hit me where I just didn't feel like
my journey with Foxy was complete. So I called Eric.
(13:48):
I'm like all right, I was like, hear me out.
I think that we're missing something together. We were not done.
Business isn't done between us, I said, and I want
to come on board and help produce the next album.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And I was like, I.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Have this idea. You have this idea. So me, me
and Eric sort of got together with our ideas. I'm like,
all right, here's sort of like and we sort of
dissected a lot of like the ideas of what it
was going to be and where we want to go
with it, just all the stuff how we did the
old albums, and you know, where Eric sort of he's
always got such a good vision and where I sort
(14:26):
of come in is the creative vision with him, so
sort of enhancing that, sort of taking to next level.
So next thing, you know, a Box of Magic was
created and written and recorded. So just every step of
the way from the spark of the album, all the
way to the to the imagery, to the music videos
to I mean everything all together. And that's how we
(14:49):
used to do it for the back in the day
to at least again for the journey that I was
part of with them, which was from the beginning right
after Flamingo Trigger, then it was those and then after
I believe after that it was they had done Gonzo,
they had done Heart, Behead You, they had done Burn
and then another album. So I think this is their
(15:10):
tenth one.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So yeah, do you even you even manage bands, let
alone manage that. That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, that was It's like I have my chapters in
life and my lifetimes, and that was a big one.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Was was management.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I worked. I worked. I was managing Foxy to the
first man I ever picked up, second band was a
band called Bad Rabbits.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
That makes so much sense. Honestly.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I had some producers and and then I got picked
up by Crush Management, who had, you know, famously known
for all the fall Out boy panic and disco stuff
and now Miley Cyrus and Weezer and Green Day, so
they had sort of absorbed my company, brought everything, all
my artists in that. I quit number twelve after I
was managing. I just I would just I felt like
I was just going crazy. I was like, I've never
(15:57):
done anything outside of music for the last decade of
my life, and I just felt like I needed something
more to show for myself, and so I quit music altogether.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Wow. Yeah, I can relate to that.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, you know how it goes.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I do know how it goes as someone who just
left two bands he was in the last few months.
I get it. I understand it. I mean, very rooted.
Not all my design stuff, but most of my design
stuff is all music industry stuff. And then there's this
We're not necessarily talking about music all the time, but
it's very rooted in music, you know what I mean? Right,
(16:31):
So I totally get that.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
But you'll never be able to get away from it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
No, it's it's it's in my DNA and it will
be there forever. There's no way. I just think I've
gotten better, and I'm sure you can understand this too,
And I think I've just realized this thirty five years
into my life, is that I just love being busy,
and I love doing so many things, and I think
I've realized that I can do a lot and just
(16:59):
not kill myself doing it, and just do less of
those things and go one hundred percent. I always go
one hundred percent whatever I can, but going one hundred
percent in less things is probably better for everyone involved
in my life to gondre to a million things.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Because you know what winds up happening is you go
one hundred percent for every single thing. That saying you're
not going one hundred percent, but the amount of things
you're going one hundred percent for. I'm back going one
hundred percent for everything. But when you spread yourself in
and I've learned that was again all my different chapters
of life, then some point something will not be one
(17:35):
hundred percent and then you're sort of like, well what
am I doing? It's like, I know that could be better,
but I'm only giving it eighty percent because I have
to do this other thing, and it just I think
around like the thirties, age wise, is where you start
realizing your priorities and also you start realizing your value
as an artist. At that point, you're like, you know what,
(17:56):
I know, I don't have to do this fuck flyer
design for you know, two hundred bucks. It's not worth
my time anymore. It's like I'm gonna either double my
price or I'm just gonna say no and just put
my focus elsewhere.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
It's like you have to prioritize, you have to value
your time.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, and that's definitely I've learned to focus that in
a like a way more proficient manner, I think in
this last year, I think. But yeah, that's that's So
what does producing a music video look like?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
What what is your job? In that?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
It's not that far from film producing in a way,
you kind of like, so onset producing is is kind
of in a way producing a music video in a
little bit of way. Okay, So we mean, you know,
I'll be talking with ours because you know, I do
a ton of these music videos, but for Foxy in particular,
(18:53):
it'll be like Okay. I always have the idea, and
I'm like, Okay, I wanna, I want to do this.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I wanna.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I want to hold on to the back of a car,
and I'm sort of hanging on and I'm singing the
song and I see go karts and he sort of
just says a bunch of like keywords, scenes, everything like that,
and I'm sitting there and I'm just okay, jopping down this, Okay,
all right, that's cool, Okay, cool. I'm trying to string
this all together. And then I where my head goes
(19:20):
as a producer is you have to look at numbers first, first,
and foremost creative. That's Eric's part, so I don't have
to worry about the creative. It's gonna be creative. He's
already saying all the creative. I have to see if
he's what he's saying is going to financially make sense
for this whole project. So he'll start saying stuff, say stuff,
say stuff, and I'm like, okay, green screening here and
(19:42):
you know, renting a plane interior there, Okay, and then
we're thinking about, Okay, what's the budget for this. Okay,
we're gonna finance this, and so you have to sort
of start breaking down. Let's just call we want to
film inside of the cockplit pit of an airplane. Okay,
so you have to start thinking about, Okay, are there
any available near me? No? How much would it be
(20:04):
to recreate it? No? Okay, how much would it cost
to green screen?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
No?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Okay, where are the sound stages that have it? No?
None of it's financially viable. So then you have to
pivot with the creative. So again, like I said, you
think logistically first, so that the creative is always number one,
and then it's like, okay, hey, this is incredibly The
budget for this is going to be the budget for
the whole music video, and that's not including camera costs
(20:32):
post production. You have to think about all those different
elements when you go down to that sense, like, okay,
what else tells that story that's just as cool, if
not cooler, that we can do for a fraction of
that price. Okay, Well what about we you know, we're
standing on the runway of an airport? Okay, I like
where this is going? Tell me more? And then it
sort of goes there. Okay, so well to shoot this
(20:52):
on green screen and we'll have the artist here. Okay, cool,
that's affordable. Now we have enough money to hire the
right cinematographer, have the right lights. So I bring on
my cinematographer. Then we have lighting people. Then we have
different camera rigs, then we have rental trucks. Then we
have the factor in all the post production, because when
you film it it all you got to think about
(21:13):
the posts and that's also another cost. And now you
think about the editing, the coloring, just the time of
keying for all of the green screen stuff. Then you
start putting everything together. Then you start thinking about the
day of filming. Then you start thinking, Okay, how can
we shoot this in one day? Okay, we can't. How
can we shoot this in two days but still be
under budget?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Then you start factoring in what does one full day
look like. Okay, nine AM's gonna start here, ten AM's
going to be here, to twelve us here. Then with
the brake fill and so we have to travel forty
five minutes okay, so we need to get everybody in cars,
we need to get here wardrobe, and so we start
thinking about all those and you just put numbers next
to all that. By the time you're done, you should
be able to have a call sheet that has everything
(21:53):
listed with all the crew, all the scenes, everything, and
it should hit that budget. And that's sort of producing.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, going to say, I was like, from what I
have gathered from listening to interviews, researching and everything like that,
like the producers takes the idea of whatever is being made,
whether it be a music video, film, TV show, whatever,
and they make it logistically possible.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yes, that's correct without produce. And that's why at the
end of the day, a lot of producers own the
rights to things movies. The produce. The producers are the
ones who owned the rights because they're the ones who
just did everything that I describe. But also they're the
ones who are finance finding, the financing everything like that.
So when they make a sale and it sells to
(22:35):
a distributor, they're selling the rights to it. It's not
the director that's not there there they don't have the
rights to it. So that's sort of how that's sort
of how it all sort of comes into play.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Eric.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It's like, that's why I love working with him, because
he's such I can turn the creative side off and
just let him run with all of it. As we've
done in the past for so many things, so I
can just focus on producing, But there's the creative producing,
which is everything that we spoke about, but now add
in all of the creative stuff, so you have you
now have to come up with all the stories and
(23:10):
everything like that, which is like what I do for
all the other bands that I do. I just did
three Hala Sun music videos back to back to back,
and it was exactly that sort of just putting all
that stuff together and then produce it.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So that crazy matrix looking halos On music video, is
that your idea the.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Song for Blight that looks like it's a kind of
matrixy meets like Chris Cunningham Apex swings.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, that was me. That was wild looking like it's
it's like an visual onslough. You're like, WHOA, what the
am I looking at?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I wanted to give. I wanted to give anxiety. That
was really what I wanted.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I was like, I have.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I was just like, let's just think of the most
unsettling imagery as much as we can. And we had
a you know, we have very specific but so we
could can just spend like crazy. But that was meant
that I was like, we need adrenaline and anxiety and unsettling.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
And that was it. Nailed it, for sure, for sure
nailed it there. Thank you. So since the time we've
talked to each other, I got really excited when I
saw you post about this. You worked on Terrifier three.
I want to know how that, How did that conversation
come about. I'm sure it's probably like it was some
sort of connection through your work in the film industry
(24:27):
and somehow that wounded up in your lap, But how
how did that conversation come about for you to And
it seems like you were like the the basically like
the on site photographer for the movie, because any art
the clown image you've seen for Terrifier three, this guy
took it. It's on a T shirt, it's on a poster,
it's on whatever. Jesse took it, which is so fucking rad.
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But like, how did that come about?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
The series of events that that led to this is
still so wild. But it was like a January day, cold,
whatever the fuck, it was, just whatever day, and it
was I was just sitting there on the couch and
I'll just just get a DM from the schedule and
he's like, hey, on Instagram. He's like, hey, you should,
you should hit this guy up. And it was just
(25:12):
a story. He sent me a story. I'm like and
I look and I'm seeing it and it was Damian
Leoni and I'm like, oh shit, this is a Terrified guy.
And it was just words that just said I'm looking
for a New York local photographer tomorrow. And it was
like it was like the morning time, and I was like,
sitting there, I'm like, there's no way the guy from
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Terrified two is looking for someone for Terrifier three. I'm like,
he's got to have an arsenal of photographers sitting at
his like sitting just waiting. So I was like, maybe
he's got like a new project going, who fucking knows.
And and for me, I was still producing with you know,
doing my thing film producing, and so I look at
my calendar, no zooms, no meetings, no nothing. I'm like,
(25:55):
fuck it. So I hit Damien up. I'm like, hey, man,
like big fan of your work, and and I'm available
at my website Jessecorman dot com and you can see
my Instagram page. I'd love to be considered for this.
He has to be back. He's like, holy shit. He's like, yes, please,
I would love to have you. I'll connect you with
our first A D and the producer. And I was
like okay, cool again, not thinking much of it. I'm
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just like, okay, cool, like this, I'm curious, see what
it is. Connect with them we go. So next day
I show up to set and I see on the
call sheet it's like it's a different name, and I'm like, oh,
I wonder what this name? Whatever?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
He is?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
And so I'm walking, I meet Jamie the first AD
and I was like hey. I was like, I'm Jesse
And I was like, so, what's this? What's this movie
all about? I'll and you know this this name?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
She's oh, She's like that's just a code name. But
this is terrifier sir. I'm like that was pretty much
like I'm like, oh shit. So I'm like texting some friends.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I'm like yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I was like, I didn't think it was going to
be but it is. And sure enough, walk on set
and the rest is kind of history. It was it
was only supposed to be a day one sort of.
It was only supposed to be one day thing, and
it was day one of filming, and it was It
was probably one of the best experiences out of like
the thirty seven probably forty films that I've worked on,
(27:12):
like produced or shot that I just it was so
fun front to back the most in like everyone fucking
just like good energy, good environment. And they were just like, yeah,
just do your thing, and I literally just did my
fucking thing. I just walked around. I just shot what
I thought was cool. I shot a lot of the
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prosthetic makeup going onto the monster and the scene where
he's sort of hammering and the mother Mary sort of
she's there, and that was the first day, as it
was the whole dream sequence of Siena, and so it
was that was my first day and I'm shooting all
that and they're doing the special bags and it was
just like everyone you can just tell. There was such
an energy in the air that like everyone knews like
(27:54):
this is history in the making. And I was just like, man,
I'm sot and honor to be part of this whole story.
So I really thought it was just gonna be that
one day and I was like, oh, I hope they
like what I did. And I sent all the photos
sent with Damien and he was like, holy shit, man,
this is incredible. And next thing I know, they offered
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me to do the whole.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Movie and I'm like, ye, yep, I'm in, and that
was it. That's awesome. Yeah, I admittedly am not a
very big fan of those movies only because they're not
my thing. They just make me feel, which it does
the job. It just makes me feel so like gross
watching them. I'm like, the kills are so brutal, and
(28:39):
it's just not my thing. But I can fully admit
that Arthur Clown is probably like the most like iconic
horror villain in the last like decade at least of
like as far as new Like he is up there
with like all of the greats at this point, you know,
like everyone knows who Arthur Clown is, you know what
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I mean, regardless of you've seen Terrifier or not. And
I know what you said, he's like, oh, he probably
has an arsenal. But you need to remember Terrifier two
was not meant to be anything. Terrifier one was kind
of this, you know, like cult classic thing. Terrifier two
was so big in its limited release, it got a
short why theatrical release, and then that was so popular
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they extended it which is like unheard of, you know
what I mean, that's crazy, especially for all a very
R rated horror money. I mean, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I don't even know if it was rated R. I
think that the NC seventeen, right, I think it was unrated.
I mean, Terrifier three is the highest grossing unrated film
of all time.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Right, yeah, you're right. Yeah, but I remember, you know,
obviously we spoke once before this and then became Internet
friends and things like that, but I remember you posted that.
I'm like, that's so cool. I love that. I was like,
I was like, I know a guy who worked on
Terrifier three. Like I was like, that's that's so rad.
So that's that's very cool. And obviously they're working on
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a fourth. So I hope you get the call back
for that. I'm sure you will, because all the imagery
you posted look amazing.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Thank you, thank you. Yeah, it's like I said, it's
it's crazy to see it everywhere. I mean, you weren't kidding.
When I have a shelf here in my studio dedicated
to just all the terror, like I don't even have
I probably don't even have a fraction of the stuff
that's actually out there. But the stuff that I have
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on my shelf of just my images from popcorn buckets
to cups to barf bags, the pins, the T shirts
to posters, I mean literally every keep like everything. And
I'll always remember Dame like we were on set, We're shoot,
I'm shooting, and like we're like well into filming, and
I just remember towards the end. I just remember I
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was just like, I was like having so much fun
shooting this one scene and I got oh and I
got covered in blood because there's a scene where Art
shoots the bartender and I was right up close shooting
the bartender of Art shooting him, and a blood shot
right into right like everything was usually blocked by a
(31:18):
plastic but that tiny window hit me so much and
it shot all over my lens, all over my camera,
all over my face, all over my shirt, everything, and
it was like scared me because I was like, oh
and it cut. I just sat there like this laughing,
and I posted a picture of me covered with blood
and my camera covered blood, and I remember I was
(31:39):
like I went to dam I was like, man, I
was like, I'm just having so much fun. I just
want to say thank you again. He's like just know
these photos are literally going to be everywhere, and I
always and I always think about that. I'm like like, yeah,
I had a feeling because you know, there's so much anticipation,
but man, he I didn't think it was going to
(32:02):
be like I mean seeing billboards and marquees and sides
of buildings and I'm just like, oh my god, this
is literally like it was just kind of a shock
to me and I'm just, oh no, It's just one
of those like Forrest Gum moments where I just feel
like I'm running through life and then some sort of
thing happens where a monumental thing is happening. I just
(32:22):
happened to be right there, and I'm like, how did
I end up here? Like who am I?
Speaker 5 (32:25):
You know?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
And yeah, I'm so so, so, so so grateful for
everything that of all them, Damien and the whole team,
they're just they're the best.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
And I'll always have so much respect for Damien because
I know, I saw he was on this podcast I'm
talking about He's like every major studio was trying to
buy the rights to Terrify her and he was like, no,
this is mine.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I'm keeping it.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And I'm like that's so fucking rocket. That's so sick.
He was right, he doesn't need it. You don't need it.
So's it's so cool to see him just like stick
to his guns, like this is my shit and I'm
keeping it my shit, and it to me that successful
and like hit the zeitgeist in the way it's like
(33:13):
you said, earth clowns everywhere, Like I went and sparent Halloween.
There's like a million art the clown things, Like you
can't escape it. It's everywhere. Escape It's undeniable.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Speaking of movies, you're going to direct your first movie
or have directed your first movie. I have.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I have directed it, and I have delivered it, and
I'm waiting for a release date.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
That's why I was going to ask Yellow Eyes, see
what attracted you to finally I'm being around the business
obviously directing counselss music music videos and then being producing movies.
You're kind of like, I'm sure that's always been in
the back of your head, but like, what about this
movie make made you finally make that jump to be like, yes,
(33:54):
this is what I had.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Been working for a company. And there's a producer Joe
Swamberg who you look him up. He's done countless, countless,
countless films, including the VHS. He had a show on
Netflix called Easy. I mean, the dude's an absolute monster
of a producer, like very quite legendary in his own
sort of way. And he had the they had the
(34:17):
idea of doing a slate of five horror movies for
a certain budget, so small budget, and he had picked me.
He's like, hey, he's like, you know, he wanted I
think he had wanted somebody who was like me in
a sense, like music video directors know how to get
a lot done with a small amount. That's just a reality.
All the music videos out there are fighting the good fight,
(34:39):
all of you. They're the ones who make I can
almost promise almost none of them are making real money
at all. But they're doing it just because they are
able to. It's it really is. You have to love
making music videos. To do a music video, you have
to love because labels and bands just don't have that
kind of money to throw away at creating a music video.
(35:02):
It's promo material that's not you. There's no return on
stuff like that, you know. So this was the exact
same thing. I knew how to make a budget work
for a certain amount of money, and so for that
reason he's like okay, He's like, well, what what kind
of project do you have? And so the sales agent,
this guy Nick, he had, sort of went around to
the different markets around the world, went to all the
(35:25):
buyers distributors. Everything's hey, guys, guy's like, a you know,
kind of what kind of movie you all? Are you
all looking for? What's what do you guys want to buy?
Instead of me coming to you saying I have this
movie to sell you, what kind of movie do you
want to buy?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
What are you looking for?
Speaker 3 (35:40):
And across the board horror and then a smaller group
of people they wanted a Possession exorcism horror and then
another and then another layer low budget so low budget
Possession exorcism horror movie. And so I called my buddy
and Mickey, I'm like, hey, what can you do in
(36:01):
the fastest amount of time with these parameters? So I
sort of said, here's the things going back again. Music, video,
thought process, give me one location, give me a couple actors,
give me give me something modern, super super modern, like
right now modern, because if you think about possession, exits
and movies, TV shows, they're all in the nineteen forties.
(36:22):
This story happened, oh the conjuring in the nineteen seventies.
It's all something here or there or whatever. Obviously there's
modern possession of extras and movies, but I want to
get something that was relatable. People who were freelance people,
people who work paycheck to paycheck, and they're they're just
they're they're they're sort of down and out and you know,
they're just they're they're falling at the hard times, and
it's just like, ah, I need a brick, I need
(36:43):
a brick. Oh shit, I inherited this house from a
relative who, from uncle who what? And so that's where
the story really begins and where it goes. I think
it's a little too early to say because I have
worked on this. I didn't start any press for the
movie yet, so like, I still have to figure out
(37:04):
the wording of it without giving too much away, because
I feel like I'm about to like just explode with
the whole like synopsis of everything. So that's sort of
where it started, and Mickey had thrown and dude, the
even crazier thing was that we had to shoot this thing.
There was a tiny window that we had to shoot
this with Joe's people in Chicago, in Chicago, a place
(37:27):
I was so unfamiliar with with his people because they
had done four other horror movies. Like I said, the
five Slate, they had already done four of the movies
back to back to back to back. And I'm the
last one to go up and I'm on fucking tour.
I'm literally on tour with Paula Troy number twelve and
we're just on tour and they're called me, like, we
need you to move now, and I'm like, I'm like,
(37:48):
I'll be querque. I'm calling Mickey going, dude, we need
to like, I need you to write this tonight. So
he's speeding and writing speed right. I'm like, okay, this
is good, and we're sending it back to Joe. Literally,
this all happened in like two weeks from the thought
to a delivered script done.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
It was like two weeks.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Joe sent back his feedback, He's like, this is a
great start work on this. Okay, Nicky, why don't we
try this change this character to this next thing? You know?
Two weeks later? Okay, cool, you have now two and
a half weeks to get home. And then be in
Chicago to start filming, and so I'm like scrambling, and
then Joe's like, Okay, here's the people you want, here's
(38:27):
the dps that you can choose from, here's the art
direct And I'm sitting there on tour, like I said,
like half away because we just played the show the
night before, where I'm like in the front passage looking
at DP work. I'm like, Okay, this guy looks pretty good. Okay,
this guy looks pretty And I'm sitting there going through
the script trying to come up with the shot lists
and everything. Man, let me tell you talk about the best, best,
(38:52):
best experience, Like shot the whole movie for about one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars in twelve days.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Whole thing.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Wow, And it would And I am so proud of
it because I know it's not going to change the world,
but for what we did, I couldn't be more proud
of couldn't be more proud of it. It's it's something
that I I I'm like, I just feel so strongly
putting out into the world to be like, hey, look
what we did for for how much we did? We
turned this around so well so fast. So yeah, I'm
(39:24):
like over the moon about it.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
So you said waiting for release day, I'm sure we
can probably expect it next year.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
I would imagine there was talked about it this year.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Oh wow, yeah. Do you know where people are going
to be able to watch it?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
So a company called an Inaugural, A new distribution company,
a newer one. They I believe they're met there down
the chain of ownership, I believe is Amazon. I think
Amazon owns them. So if I had to guess Amazon, cool.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
That's well. Everyone everyone be on the lookout for news
about Yellow Eyes, and when that's dropping, I'm excited to
check it out. I love a good one location horror movie. Yeah,
it's excite me because it strips away everything and makes
you focus on, you know, the character and the story
(40:15):
like that. That's that's that's what makes it exciting and
then and that can be very very cool. So I'm
excited to see that, very very excited to see what
what you what you put out there? Do you want
to know what have you been consuming lately? TV? Shows, movies?
Has there been anything you've been watching lately and really
liking or not liking? It can go either way.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I have been consuming a lot surprisingly why. I don't know.
I guess it's just I come in ways. You know,
I'll go a couple of months without watching anything, and
I just need a break from it all. I think
we all, I think that's kind of everyone, you know.
I mean, so, I just I'm just going I'm just
going to sort of spit ball a bunch of them.
Alien Earth on Hulu incredible, absolutely incredible. What they If
(40:59):
you haven't seen it, people watch it. It's it is
so good. There's some pretty good harror movies. Bring Her
Back was probably one of my favorite ones in the
more recent times. That one just I mean, it just
leveled up and maybe it's gonna make everybody level up
in their sort of space, in their genre space, because
(41:19):
those motherfuckers, man, they just those filmmakers, the brothers, they
just man, it's like the the writing that they that
they have, the store like between talk to Me and
and Bring Her Back, just the way everything was right,
the way they build their anticipation, and then you throw
in their expertise of special effects, makeup, and you know,
(41:43):
the scenes like I don't want to spoil anything. When
you look at some of those things, all that goes
through my head is how did they do that? And
that to me for someone who knows how a lot
of that stuff is done, for me to scratch my
head like, okay, so they cut that shot here, they
picked it back up here, and I'm trying to break
it down like a science and for to like excite
(42:06):
filmmakers and people like that, to keep them on their toes.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I'm like, this is to me? This is that? To me?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Is it like it's it's just every it hits everything,
It hits everything. So love that. I enjoyed weapons. I
wouldn't say I loved it.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
I enjoyed it, which actually is kind of weird because
I feel like Zach Kreger lives in a world almost
or at least where you see if people talk about it,
at least online or in person. He usually lives in
a realm where it's either you love it or you
hate it. So I'm actually kind of happy to hear
someone that you're like kind of middle leaning positive but
still kind of middle of the road. I like what
(42:47):
he's doing.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
I watched a new conjuring. I thought that that the
last rites I took my nephews to go see that.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
That was cool.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
You know, classic classic conjuring. I guess you're not not
changing anything what you imagine it to be.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
That's fine, it's pretty much what i've heard.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yeah, it's literally exactly what you probably imagine it is.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
That is what it is.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Yeah, I feel like I've watched. I really feel like
I have watched a lot. But you know how it
goes when you like, what have you been watching? And
everything just goes blank and then you hang up and
then you're like, oh, wait, I forgot about I watched this,
and I watched that. I wonder why that happens.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
But yeah, that's that's kind of what I wonder why
that happens. I always have to write them down. I
understand that it does happen, but I do I have
a list. Well, Letterbox is obviously amazing for movies. Yeah, yeah,
and I know they're transitioning TV stuff in, but like
I don't know if I'll do that because I don't
want to kind of mixed. I don't know. There's there's
also an app for TV, but I just for some
(43:43):
reason I didn't connect with it like I did with
Letterbox and movies. But I have an ongoing notes list
of every series I watched from this year ranks. Oh really,
And it's a very lengthy list.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
It's a very how many how many? How many things
could you count? How many you've done?
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I think it's over fifty series from this year.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Wow. Yeah, top top ones.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Severance Season two, Pit Season one, which was so it's
honestly incredible. I did not expect to like it as
much as but the acting, the format, the just the
story is so fucking top notches to watch it and
(44:26):
or season two, which is crazy how good that is.
And I think it is kind of ruined Star Wars
for me, and knowing that, I know nothing will ever
be as written as well as that show. I think
he's the best written Star Wars thing ever. Like, Wow,
I don't I wouldn't know. I don't know if I
would say it's the best or my favorite, but I
think it is the best made and best written Star
(44:47):
Wars thing of all time, and I don't think anything
will ever top it. It's truly phenomenal. Alien Earth is
up there. I loved Alien Earth. I think I think
the last two episodes aren't as good as the first
six episodes. Sure, a lot of the the ideas of
the series. I loved and I don't think and I'm
not one of those people that are like they didn't
(45:07):
answer every question. I'm mad because that's not TV you
need in order for it to continue. I'm fine with that,
but I feel like in that, like last montage, it
was almost like way too much of a setup for
something else. And they obviously kind of and they told
the story was like the Lost Boys that was the
main thing, and the and they had a full arc
for that, but I think it was like I think
(45:30):
the one that made me not angry, but I was like,
I kind of wish they almost left it out was
like the Whalen new tiny ships about to arrive in
the short scene and then you're like, yep, you're not
gonna find out anything about that. I was like, yeah,
I just left it out, and it wouldn't have mattered,
you know, because it's such a short scene and they do.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
And it's also just like great.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
And now what you kind of saw that coming anyway,
So it's like the implied notion of it could have
been enough, and I think it would have made me
less upset. But that series is incredible. If they don't
Green Life for a season two, I'm to be so
upset because it's so so so good.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Yeah, I think that's gonna get green light for sure.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
And I know the ratings for it were like really high,
like it was, it was like super high, and like
the streamers like de Throne, Netflix for like the most
streamed thing at the time and stuff like that. So
I love Love Alien Earth. There's a show Task on
HBO that starts starts Mark Ruffalo that show.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard that was good.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yep, so good. It's the same creator and team that
did Marriby's Town. So no, that's also and it's supposedly
in the same world. It's very much the same tone.
Instead of like a who done it, it's a very
much you kind of know what's going on, But the
way it unravels key bits of information that feel like
bomb drops, but they don't present it as a bomb drop.
(46:47):
It's just kind of like shown in bits of dialogue
and stuff is so and awesome and I really appreciate it.
It's got a few episodes left, but I'm loving that show.
If it's six landing, it's definitely gonna be in that
upper echelant cool of TV. And there's a show that
has a new season out, but I'm catching up. But
(47:08):
it's called The Morning Show. It's on Apple TV. Plus
it's like one of the first Apple Dude, I'm on
season three. I cannot believe how dark the show is.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Very dark for like a thing that looks so bubbly too, because.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
You see who's in it and you figure it's gonna
even if it's a drama, it'll be kind of comedy leaning.
It stars Reese Witherspoon and Jennifer Aniston, which obviously are
known for like comedies and sitcoms and things of that nature.
But I've heard great things about it. It just never
watched it, and then I was just kind of I
don't know. Something brought me to watch it, And after
watching like the pilot, I was like, whoa, this is
(47:46):
not the show I expected to be in a very
good way like it and it follows a morning show.
It's called The Morning Show. It's pretty much like Good
Morning America, just in this fictional world. But it's very
much feels like a mix of Succession and House of Cards,
like the Best Way. I told my friend that and
he's like, WHOA, That's not what I expected that show
to be. And I was like, dude, it's so good.
(48:09):
Steve Carrell's in it, John Hamm eventually gets into it,
Greta Lee eventually gets into it. Many Kaling's in it
a little bit. It is so good. I am shocked
up how good it is. Yeah, and I think season
five just started, so I'm still working my way to
just started, so I'm still working my way to get
to that. But wow, I feel like more people need
(48:32):
to talk about the show, and obviously people have to
watch it if they keep green lighting like Apple TV
is like now they've become this like prestige streamer, you know,
with stuff like Severance and to Lasso and things of shrinking.
And obviously the Morning Show has been there. It was
like one of their first series. Yeah, but I can't
recommend that show high enough.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Holy shit, I mean, are we surprised that Apple is
just dominating another market?
Speaker 1 (48:57):
I mean, you know, no, I've been kind of the
biggest true leader for Apple TV plus for years. I've
had it since the day one. I mean they gave
it to me for free for I think like a year,
so they just kept extending my free trial. I don't
know why. And then after that, you know, At that time,
it was only like eight dollars a month, so I
was like, sure, whatever, eight dollars a month. Now it's
(49:18):
like thirteen or whatever. But I'm still keeping it. I
don't care. I love it.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
Nice ploy for Apple TV.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yeah, you're welcome, Apple TV. You get that one. I
mean I've been singing its praises for a years, so
I mean I will say Apple TV's their pr people
are very good to me with screeners, So there is that.
Thanks thanks for that.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Thank you Apple, thank you.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Oh my god man, Alien Earth. I do want to
say the last thing on Alien Earth. It's become When
seven season one was coming out, every guest I had
on that I would do this section with, they would
bring up Seferance, and now Alien Earth has become that show.
Every come on is like Eric Foxer xam. Yeah, I
was shocked. He's like Alien Earth, I love it, and
(50:04):
I'm like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Like every week everyone. I mean, there's not many shows
that are ending off an episode with just an old
school Alison Chains song. You're just like, what the fuck,
It's just and like, yeah, anyways, I don't want to
have to keep talking about alien Everyone. Just go watch
Aliens if you haven't seen it, there you go. It's
fucking great.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
It's amazing. Thank you so much for coming back on
the show Man. It was it was a pleasure catching
up with you.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Yeah, you too, man, it was three years too long.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yes, I I agree. I think we need to catch
up more often for sure.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
Hopefully the next time that we talk. I hope that
there is some other monumental things in my life that
that will happen. That's all I can hope for me too.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
I'm hoping the same thing for you, hopefully for you.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
I mean, look, you're you're doing. You're doing your thing,
leaving bands and doing things, and who knows, maybe it's
gonna be like maybe you're gonna be too big for
all of us us. It's gonna be like.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Before we totally leave, let the people know where they
can find you. Where you have going on? Any number twelve?
Stuff you got coming up? Any any other things?
Speaker 6 (51:10):
What do I have going on?
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Yes, new Number twelve. We are. We just put out
a couple of singles and we are basically prepping for
our first full length release in probably like six seven years.
So we have that. We have some cool tour plans
for next year. Again, still too early to say, but
as you know, fellow designer artists trying to sort of
(51:35):
grow the commercial work. So started we started a new
company called Channel Distortion, which is a creative agency, and
we're creating primarily social media content, So just producing a
lot of that content for different brands that aren't so
much like band related or this sort of weird avant
garde sort of thing. It's just more commercial brands. The
(51:57):
indie film producer, the indie show people. They're just there's
not much money in it. There's just people who aren't
paying for it. And so the people who have money
are these brands. And so people are always gonna want content,
they're always gonna want to do things, but who are
the people who are gonna have the money so that
content can be made? And so the whole world is changing.
Everything is changing. And I've been doing this long enough
(52:19):
to sort of see the pacing and the pulse of
where it's going. And I do believe that we're going
through a major shift right now. So that's kind of
everything in a way. There's more, but who care? So
they don't need to hear any more about me. That's
that's that's enough, very fair and all.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Very very cool stuff. But again I will link down
below with where you can find Jesse, where you can
support Jesse down in the links below. He Wants Apart,
the podcast Going Milkharnes dot Com are links there in
one easy place, and you find to follow me in
my personal account. It's just at sean exspond, Instagram and Twitter.
Until next time, see you, l air in nerds.
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