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February 18, 2025 55 mins
PRAISE KEIR! Sean is back from a few week hiatus to talk about the biggest show on TV currently, Severance with Woody of Polar! We discuss the season so far, theories, and also chat about the new Fantastic Four trailer!

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Speaker 2 (00:59):
What's the very one? Welcome most clouds of pop culture
podcasts and the multiverse middle core Nerves. Each week I
have a guess from the podcast in your music community,
You talk about the latest and greatest and entertainment airial
Sean Mott, and today we're talking about the best show
on television, Severance. My coast this week is Woody of
Polar Welcome back to the show, my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Thank you very much. Thank you very much for having me.
I was just saying as we were starting, it's nice.
I feel begin to feel a bit of part of
the furniture.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
And it's a.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Good thing, you know, like, you know, like lots to.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Talk about, and you know, I always it's.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
An absolute pleasure to always be on the show. So
thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Oh, no problem at all. And it's funny because I've
talked about how Severance when season one was it kind
of became like its own mini co hosts in the
show because it would always be talked about in the
now watching section, which was awesome. I was so stoked
because Severance then compared to Severance now is like two
different worlds. Severance has like blown the fuck up, and

(01:53):
I love seeing that. I love seeing so many people
talking about it, and I love being just like going
places like I go to my local coffee shop and
like I'm talking like, I fucking love it. It's so great.
I love that it's blowing up. It's like almost become
I think it's become Apple's biggest show. Oh by far,
it's got to be, which is crazy because because like
ted Lasso and Shrinking are obviously really big, but like,

(02:15):
this show is hitting a different stratosphere. I think for them,
which is awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Is it's going wild.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
I think, you know they They've just hit the nail
on the heads with a show that's got so much
like intricacies, but at the same time, it just keeps
pulling you in, and it keeps pulling you in. It
does for me what it did when I first saw
things like Twin Peaks and like that whole like David
Lynch kind of dream sequence and stuff that like you

(02:43):
were drawn into a world that you were trying to
understand and it wasn't built to be understood. But at
the same time, it gives you enough to let the
brain kind of sort of melt into And I get
that same feeling with Severance, like massively.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah. I love going on Twitter the day the episode
drops and seeing people making a lot of like side
by side picture comparisons with Severnce to Twin Peaks with
Severance too, lost and stuff like that. It's it's cool
to see how crazily influenced the show is, but it's

(03:19):
still very much its very own, super creative thing. I
did my address. This has been the first episode back
in two weeks, mostly because a few weeks ago it
was my birthday, so I just didn't want to edit
a podcast on my birthday. That's really the reason. And
then the second week, I just have a guest lined up,
and sometimes that just happens, and I'm really busy and
if something doesn't line up, I'm not gonna kill myself

(03:42):
trying to find a guess. So I just that's why
we haven't been here for two weeks, but we're here.
The goal is always to do one episode a week,
but sometimes it's not gonna happen, and that's fine, you know.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
That's life, you know, and that's life.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
You've got to roll with it, you know. But what
a great episode to come back with, you know, like
I know what, it's a banger of an episode, you know,
as you're saying, the biggest and probably the most talks
about show in the world, probably currently I would imagine.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
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all social media at metal Core Nerds. And before we
get really deep into the pop culture talk, we're going

(04:30):
to kick off the show like we do every week,
with the Middle Cornerds Song of the Week and the
song of the week this week is from the band Downpour.
This is their latest single, the Wait Glass.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I watch it until it but.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's fun.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
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dat side, sad Jacks, twn ot dot got tell you
watch Tell Guy, got y God by our Jays. That's
a way outsiz, sid Side, Jock tun Dog, why ty

(05:30):
Dots tell black Side rop go.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
By size watch so nothing.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
My only one is one day I got up again,
so well, but do me with Blnlyn, my mom shopping
on my mind, looking.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
The journey I made yo.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Where that sounds like oh God, God, sack gottep dog,
I jot down dot ut, said Guy says Dot said
Don Sas got tame Blas down, I said, I said, Jo,

(06:11):
tell me.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Don side to slip.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, so sid dop down side side dass down that
way yes down by telling Don by ties I sway down,
said Jassy sound Why tie boys stump black side so
god water size jobs top, I go my brother block

(06:49):
cops can I'm going brother look god side Bob, my
brother black job.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Oh my bather gop side again. That is down with
their latest single the Wait. It's one of those bands
that hit me up through the website. There's a submission
form there if any young bands are listening, want me
to check out their music. And they hit me up
a sometime last year with a bunch of new songs
and I was like, this stuff is sick. When you
got the music coming out, let me know. And here

(07:17):
we are still releasing doubt music and the song of
the week, so very cool. If you like what you heard,
they got more music out, so go check them out
there from the UK.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah, good guys, Yeah, I know I know those guys. Yeah,
I backed that one. You should check that back.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
I was wondering if you knew them, but like I
didn't want to.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Everyone.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah, we they were in previous bands and the
Downpours the newest formation, and yeah they're just gonna let
really cool hardcore sound. It's nice to see them play
music again. But yeah, bully about that band awesome.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah. Yeah, we're going to go into now watching section
what we've currently been watching in the last few weeks.
But what do you can go first? What if you
were watched just I.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Mean, I'm Severance, Severance, Severance, Severance, and I haven't. I've
struggled to watch anything else if I is this show
has such an impact on me that when episodes come
out and you know, the real drawer out process of.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Weekly stuff, I found myself going back.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
There's so much going on, there's so much to take
in that one watch doesn't doesn't do enough. You know,
sometimes up to two three watches in a week, and
I wish I had given my time and shown my
time to.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Other things, but I haven't. I'm a man of honesty.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
This is this is kind of.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
I want to understand so badly what's going on that
I am literally.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Fine tune in to the point of watching things a
bit like right, I've given enough time on the first
twenty minutes. It's time to focus on the next twenty minutes.
I've watched so much on one character. I'm going to
focus on it. You know. I'm it's it's it's doing
that kind of stuff to me, and I mean, and
that's incredible. It's an incredible feeling to actually have a
show that pulls you in to the point where you

(09:13):
know you can kind of some shows I watch, you know,
you watch a weekly episode and you're like, cool, I've
got what I needed from that. I look forward to
the next one. You know, I can put it in
the drawer, you know, this one. It's like you're watching
and you're like, yeah, I'm not satisfied, you know, like
you know what, You're over scenes and you're like, I'm
getting you know, I get this feeling and you get

(09:34):
to the end of.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
The episode and you're like, well, I'm completely wrong.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Right back, I go, let's you know, lit'stik off the
older your territory and have a look again. And so yeah,
it's taken a lot. Yeah, just take a lot of time,
and you know, good good time. I think that you know,
time was spent in my eyes, maybe not so much
my wife's, but like in my eyes.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Oh you know, I'm I'm definitely, I'm definitely invested.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
But the thing is, it's so much good stuff coming out,
and that's I think the real uh, the real thing,
like downside to put in so much and invest in
so much time into into this program is that I
am not picking up on.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Things that are coming out.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
And there's a lot of good stuff, you know, Apple
pushing ahead, and they are and they do hit the
nail on the head with a lot of their shows,
and I really, I just I do want to go back.
There will be I start a tour on Friday with
some horrific drives, so this will be my catch up point.
You know.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
I download it and you know, I can get in
that van and.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
The laptop can go on, and you know, I can
make up for lost time and a lot of stuff.
So unfortunately, I am quite dull in the sense I
have just channeled myself into that one Apple program that
just everyone is tanning themselves into.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Have you listened to the podcast at all?

Speaker 3 (10:53):
No, not yet. Again, I'm kind of saving some some
of stuff up for the moment I can get out
and and invest you know, yeah, put my headphones in
it and don't really kind of indulge, and there's there's
so much, you know, like they've just released the book
as well. Yeah, so again, you know, I would like
to read that in case that's kind of entwined with

(11:16):
what's going on, because that's the you know, that's considered
the grail to the like and it's yeah, so there's
there's loads of and that's what I like about the program.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
The program doesn't just stop at the program.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
It's going that extra mile and like that kind of
like deep investment into something. It's just it just intrigues me.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, I've only listened to one episode of the podcast.
I listened to the episode that covered episode four, what
was Hollow, because I just needed to hear what they
had to say about it. It's it's very interesting how
they kind of split it up, because I don't know
if it's like this for every episode because I've listened
to that one, but I do plan on going back
and kind of re listening to a lot of them.
But they had the guy who scores severance on in

(12:06):
the beginning. The intro is kind of like a normal
podcast manager where they kind of just like talk about
what they were doing in their lives and stuff, and
then they had they usually have a guest every week,
and the guess was the guy who did the score,
and they talked about how they kind of came up
with the score or he came up with the score
for Severance in general, and then they talk about some
of the little music bits that are in, especially episode

(12:28):
four and stuff, and then they kind of dive deep
into like the making of Woes Hollow and stuff and
how it like the filming of it, they kind of
treated like a mini movie because it was all done
in one location. You know, it's yeah, they did it.
They did it kind of near me and the and
the cast skills of Upstate New York. And they did
film a scene in my in the city I live in,

(12:49):
uh that has not happened, that has not happened yet.
I know what episode happens in because as soon as
it happened, I was like, the will not reveal what
episode it happens. But I was very stoked because I
remember it was like right before the actors strike and
there was like a big report like, oh, Ben Stiller
is in Utica and it's because they were filming the
scene for Severance, which is super sick that they chose

(13:12):
to use this location from the small city I live
in in New York. Very very cool. There is a
show I want to suggest to you because I think
I obviously, now as our friendship has grown, I kind
of know what you're into. But there's a show on
Hulu called Paradise. It stars Strilling Kate Brown. It's created
by the guy who created This Is Us, which, if

(13:33):
anyone knows This is Us, it's a very It's probably
the saddest TV series of all time. This series is
nothing like that as far as being super sad. It's
more of a thriller kind of show and there is
sci fi elements, but I don't want to further than that.
There is a big twist. Anyone who hasn't watched it,

(13:54):
there's a big twist at the end episode one that
obviously I don't want to give away a goup, and
if you're not hooked after one, I don't know what
to tell you. Because everyone I've told, and I've told
the good younger people they've like, I would say, go
watch episode one and then watch the trailer and see
how much they didn't give away for what the show

(14:15):
actually is. I mended them so much for that. I
think it's so cool. I think the show is really
starting to catch on because like a lot of people
are starting to talk about it, and it's cool to
see another show that's kind of holding its own against
like the juggernaut that is Separence. You know.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
So yeah, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
It's hard to probably put shows out in competition when
that show is, you know, like really leading the way.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
But I take your recommendations very seriously every time.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
And you know, we have a very mutual understanding on
like where we like our like like films and our team.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
It's a TV series, so that will be on the list.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, and it probably expect a massive, great, big message
from me explaining like everything and anything and demand did
to come back on the show and talk about it and.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Other than that. Invincible Season three is just premiered. I've
seen the first six episodes. Episode four debuts this week,
so it'll be out by the time this episode is out.
And this I love this show. It's so great for
anyone who hasn't watched it, Like, I don't know, is
it the animation that throws you off? I don't really
know why people aren't into this because it really is

(15:25):
one of the best, like pieces of superhero content out there,
and it's very unlike most pieces of superhero content. It's
kind of like if you took Saturday Morning cartoons and
the Boys and mix them together. It's kind of what
it's like because it's really brutal. It's kind of hyper
realistic in a way of, yeah, this is probably like
if superheroes existed and you know, some more aliens and

(15:48):
stuff like that. The way it takes consequences and handles
consequences I think is some of the best in any
media ever because things just continually get crazier. And it's
this portant dude who's just now I think, like twenty
years old, maybe nineteen, and he's only had his powers

(16:10):
for two years and he's been through some shit, some
real shit, and you feel the weight of that like
as it continues to go on, like and it's amazing
how they handle that, and they handle a lot of
storylines at once, and they handle it away where it's
not confusing, it's not overwhelming. It's just like a cool
thing where you see this thing that's teased like five

(16:30):
episodes ago, and then it comes in and you're like, oh, wow,
I remember that. It's just I don't know. It's a great, great,
great fucking show.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
I've only really done a little bit of that show, say,
dipped my toe in it. I need to go really
invest in some some real like focus on it in
this kind of one of these shows that it's really
good and I put it on and then something comes up,
you know, messing it.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Next thing you know, you're like, the episode is kind
of halfway through.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
You've got no sort of like point of reference where
you are, who the characters, and it's so, yeah, it's
been a bit sort of two steps toward, three steps back.
But what I have seen it looks incredible.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
It is definitely one. That's what people have said too.
They're like, I understand, I have to actually pay attention
to it. So it's like I'm waiting for the right
time to give it that sort of attention. I'm like, yes, please,
If you're gonna wait and do that, it's fine. There's
plenty of twists and turns you probably won't get spoiled on,
so you'll be fine. And plus if you get spoiled,
they'll probably from some comic nerd posting something that's going

(17:25):
to happen like three years from so I finally watched Craven.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, yeah, that story has potential. It has it has
it has all the like I would say, the nuts
and bolts of what could become something very good and
very cool. But the almost like went at it like
they were like, how do we make this really cool

(17:49):
idea really uncool and really badly put together, and and
and and really like hoping it and making that one
of the worst worst films It coun possibly big And
they did.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
They knowed it with that, like yes.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
The obviously my expectations going in were so low, like
insanely low. At this point, it's been pretty story that
I'm not a fan of the Sony live action Marvel movies.
I think venom One is fine. I even think Morbius
is mostly fine. The ending sucks, but the beginning is

(18:26):
actually pretty cool. They kind of kept on that beginning
and kept going and didn't try to make him a
good guy. I think they could have been a really, like,
pretty decent movie. The rest of them are just like,
fucking Jesus, why were these made? At least Madame Webb
is funny because it's so bad it's just like it's
kind of like a like it doesn't make sense to
me that it went through like hundreds of people and

(18:48):
they were like, send it.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
That's what makes it so funny to me is I
was like, I am in no way shape form a
professional you know, editor, or any cinematographer or anything like that.
But the choice is made in that movie are just
I don't understand how that is even considered a movie
at this point. So it's kind of like that can
be like a funny cult like party gag to watch
and laugh at, or make a drinking game or something. Sure,

(19:12):
But even going into Craven, I remember they like released
like the opening scene just on YouTube, like a few
weeks before the movie came out, and I really like
Aaron jell Johnson. I think he's fantastic. I think he's great.
So I was like, oh, him is Craven in theory?
Great idea. I knew that Sony wasn't gonna get this right.
What they even surprised me with was how wrong they

(19:32):
actually got the character.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Oh terrible.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Nothing about this movie is good. The action is like fine,
but and that's what everyone's going in the trailer, like
oh man, maybe this pretty good look at the action.
It's like you see all of the set pieces in
forms in the trailer, because there's only like three big
action set pieces in a whole movie, and that's it.
Like they couldn't even lean up the coolest part of
the movie.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
I think we talked about it quite quite often in
like our chat. So the hall part it's done is
the components to a story, the characters in the in
that story, like making sense of a story with those characters,
Like that's the difficult thing.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
The hard work is done for them.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
They have abundances of stories connections, and they're still like, oh,
we'll just throw that way and just piece it together
with what we think might work.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
And then they fell flat on their face with it.
And it happens often.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
I want to go with some numbers in this movie
because it's fascinating. The worldwide box office hall for Crave
of the Hunter was less than sixty million. The production
cost was one hundred and ten million, and that's not
that doesn't count marketing. Whatever marketing they put in this movie,
they did some. At least this film second week saw
a seventy two percent drop in ticket sales that's a

(20:48):
bit small. Seventeen percent a round Tomatos seventeen. Wow. I
think the worst thing this movie did, or these movies
have done, is that the general audience doesn't know the
difference between Sony and Marvel Studios. They just see Marvel movie.
And I think it's given a bad perspective, adding on

(21:08):
to some of the faults that the MCU has had
in recent years that obviously they're looking to rectify. And
I think there was a big conversation between Kevin Faggy
and Sony being like, stop doing this, like if you
guys really want to do this, And I don't know
if this is gonna happen. I have no idea. It's
just kind of been my hope for the last few years.

(21:29):
Just Hey, if you want to bring these characters in,
bring him the mcull we'll do the same deal you're
doing with Spider Man, and let's just do that. Like
I hope they make a new deal where they just
do that, like just have everyone included. And if they
want to bring Venomin for Secret Wars with Tom Hardy, cool, fine,
I'm fine with that because I think him is is
Eddie Brock is a good fit. He just needs to

(21:50):
be in a movie that's worth doing, and obviously he's
not gonna play a massive role in it, but to
see him in that would be cool. The Fantastic Four
First Steps trailer finally dropped the week before the Super Role.
They did an amazing launch sequence kind of event leading
up to it, which I thought was great. I know
some content creators complained about it because they had to

(22:11):
wait an hour after waking up early. Fuck off, you
get paid to talk about shit. I don't care what
you're complaining about. That's so annoying. But the movie comes
out July twenty fifth, and I've been talking about this
in Sandio Comic Con. But they showed some footage at
San Diego Comic Con. I only want to call it
footage because they shot it like the week of pre production,

(22:34):
so it was really test footage and it was some
like previous animatics of stuff. It wasn't even actual footage
they shot for the movie. And so they put this
together the week before they were actually officially starting to shoot,
and what they showed I was like blown away by
I was like, holy shit, Like that's why I kept
talking about. Obviously, the RDJ is doomed thing was the

(22:55):
news out of the Marvel panel at Santue Comic Con.
But like people are like, what was the favorite thing
you saw on Like, dude, that fantastic course that they
showed it. That was because and now you see in
the trailer like it feels so special in its own thing,
and it kind of like hearkens that like beginning of
the MCU feeling in a way, but with a new
fresh touch. Obviously, Matt Shackman is directing. Who directed WandaVision,

(23:19):
and you can see why they probably picked him for
this because it's in nineteen sixties, retrofuturistic, different universe, New York. Obviously,
he did a lot of the flashback set pieces within WandaVision,
so he has that flare to him. And I guess
for people who don't know Matt Shackman, I think is
the most credited director for It's Always Sony in Philadelphia,

(23:41):
so he knows how to handle a family, a dysfunctional family,
but a family. He directed episodes of the Game of Thrones,
he directed episodes of Succession. He was one of the
main directors and I think producers on the Monarch Godzilla
series on Apple TV Plus. Like the dude is legit
as fuck, so stoked to see him tackle this. He

(24:02):
left a Star Trek movie to do this movie because
they originally then they offered him this and he's like, Bye,
I'm going to fast actually task for see you later.
I just love the vibe of this trailer. I love
the cast. I know some people were hesitant about Paedro Vascal.
I don't know if that's because he's popular now whatever.

(24:22):
He's a great actor and I think he's gonna kill it.
I've seen a little bit more, I guess, of Reid
than the average person because there was a little bit
more read in that stuff. But I just think he's fantastic.
Like I think everything about this feels so great. Glactus
is in a cloud. I'm pretty sure this universe is
gonna fucking die, which is awesome, and it's just so

(24:45):
cool to see kind of the multiverse utilized in a
way that hasn't been done within the MCU yet. But
what do you think about the trailer? I loved it.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
I think you know that really echoes the Karen attention
that I think these films need, like the real investment,
the real like I want to go in and I
want to make the best Fantastic Four film that really
compliments what that heritage has been given in the comic books.

(25:16):
And I think he's just brought it to life in
such a way, Like the color palette is unbelievable, Like
it's just like it just catches your eyes. It's like
the car, the costumes like what I feel as well,
like the casting. It's really brought to life the characters
persona with the casting they've done, they're the right people

(25:39):
to fit those characters. I think that the previous like
Fantastic Four movies have just they struggled with casting, Like
they've never really made the right casting to make the
right family.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
You know, they needed that lock in.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
And it's never really pulled together precisely, but it's like
got itself close. But it like this one has not
only got itself close, it's gone that extra mile. And
I just think it's just going to be like a
real turning point and I think it can become like
a lead running, you know.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Like I've always found.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
That the Fantastic Four films have always lived like being
in the shadows of other movies, like they're there. They
do their part, you know, they introduced the characters they
need to, but they never really are like the four Runner,
you know, like they're always like, oh, they're like the
kind of side movie that you enjoy and it does
what it needs, but it never really like you go
to the other kind of like superhero movies to get

(26:33):
that fulfillment, that real enjoyment.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Like and now I feel that this is the gear shift,
you know, like this is like this will be the
leading movie.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
The thing looks unreal. Anyone who's saying looks bad, I
think you're an idiot. You can have your opinion, but
I think that's moronic if you think that looks bad,
because that looks insane. There's like two very attention to
detail things in this trailer that really have stuck with
me since watching it for the first time. When the

(27:03):
thing claps his hands and it sounds like rocks clapping. Incredible.
And when Johnny Storm flames on and flies across across
the camera, there's like dust particles that go across the
screen like as he's flying, like as like effects of
the fire. And I'm like, Bravo, like that is so

(27:24):
fucking sick. It's something I would maybe I think it's
the rock thing, but like the flame.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
Effect, like oh yeah, god, it is incredible, and having
the thing in a kitchen as like the opening scene
like genius, Like people know he's from the Bear, like
everyone loves loves Evan Moss Backrock from the Bear as cousin.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
He's won awards doing it, So it was great to
see that kind of like familiar but unfamiliar thing in
the beginning. Let's talk about some separance when this week
comes out, we'll be halfway through the season. This season
is ten episodes compared to last season's nine, so we
get ten this seasons. But how are you feelings?

Speaker 4 (28:02):
I love every moment I think, just not a dull moment.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
There's not a moment in this show that you're like
I can kind of cruise through this sexual or I
don't really care for this character. You know, I don't
really need to be invested in this dialogue. Every second
counts And that is just incredible writing.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
It's incredible.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
It just echoes that care and attention comment, doesn't it
like you can tell that everyone that works on that
show cares for that show. They want that show to
be the best, They want every moment to be like
so super poignant and to keep people getting keep people
on their jerseys, and like I just I've struggled to
find a show that hits the mark like this. Every

(28:45):
time I get real feelings of like the moments when
I first watched like Breaking Bad and that start, you know,
and that that real like I'm intrigued, you know, I
need to know what happened. But I think they're doing
it really well, like they're in the way they introduce
what's happening or how the I'm like raveling the story
from like season one into season two. I think they're

(29:06):
doing it at a good pace and at times.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
You know, a strange pace, but a good pace.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
What a cast give them all the OWD cinematography is incredible,
Like Wow, they're going places that like Chowsen rarely go into,
uh and they're nailing it. They were absolutely nailing it.
I you know, I think that's got to be and
it will be probably the biggest show of the year

(29:32):
for me at the moment, because it's going to take
some real hitting to really do what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
The whole world that's being put before you is is
just going to get madder and madder a lot going on.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
One to four is a lot going on, like huge
amounts going on, huge and huge amounts, and it just
keeps going.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
I will say the finale answers some questions, but it
asks a whole lot more the same time as you'd
expect want too.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, just the book getting closed and it just gets.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Wider, you know.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I will say that the ending of the finale will
give you a similar feeling as the season one finale,
for sure, because it gave me very similar vibes, but
in a way where I have no idea where season
three is going. Season two finale is one of the
best put together finales I've seen in a long time,

(30:29):
whereas they take all these little pieces that have been
built up through these two seasons and culminate it in
such a way that is so impressive that I can't
wait for everyone to watch it and honestly to rewatch it.
And also so fucking weird as you would expect. The
show is absurdly weird and does the weirdest things, but

(30:53):
there's there is a certain set piece within the finale
that you'll be watching and being like what the fuck
is I mean going.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Like full waffle party with you know, like going I.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Don't want to give anything away, but it is. It
is strange. It's strange, it's super strange. But they do
answer a good amount of questions. For sure, I feel
like this is a safe thing to say. But I
think episode four is like one of the best episodes
of TV that's released in recent years. It's just insane
what that episode pulled off. For one, it's so I remember.

(31:28):
I'm sure everyone had this same feeling. It's like, as
soon as you started, you're like, what the fuck? Why
are they in?

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah? Where are they?

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Were they in Antarctica?

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Like how? Yeah? Like literally you're in her office? And
then some of you just got this uta. I think
when I first saw that, I was like I spent
probably the first ten minutes on the show being like,
how does this work?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
How does how does know?

Speaker 3 (31:54):
You know?

Speaker 4 (31:55):
How do you go from an office to this? And
then as the episode on phones, it's.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Like, Wow, were you in the whole theory of Helena
as pretending to be hell? They are from the jump?

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, I kind of I got a real feeling from
that when she's watching the Kiss on repeat and you've
got that real, like real like deep shot of her eyes,
you know, they like the retinas and it's like the process,
so you could kind of like.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Feel that there was an emotion there.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
And she's like obviously being part of the Egans and
I obviously don't want to give too much away anyone
who doesn't watch the show, and like, but obviously being
in line to become.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
The head of Lumen, I feel that there's like a real.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
She's like had this really shut off emotion. She's a
very short, emotionally like emotionless person, very cold, and I
feel that that comes with the real like the history
of where she comes from the family that they're almost
like taught not to have emotion. I like she for
the first time probably saw that her inn hees getting
emotion that she's not able to get. Well, how do

(33:06):
you know, being ahead of the company, how do you
go and get that emotion? Well, you put yourself back.
And I like the way they did it as well.
They made it quite obvious at times, you know, like
the night gardener. You know who has a night gardener?

Speaker 5 (33:20):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Like you know they were like they were they were
they were putting the bread combs out for you to
kind of see. That does but that opens the question,
like you know, like big big questions, right, so like
the outies can almost like reverses and put themselves back in,

(33:42):
you know, make themselves back in, and and then.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
That opens questions for other characters.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
It's like, right, who you know? Who is? Who is? What?

Speaker 5 (33:52):
You know?

Speaker 4 (33:52):
How is this working?

Speaker 3 (33:54):
And I think the opening of like the care and
detis I feel that that has real, real significance. The
big theory I have seen is there's going to be
like with Dieta is the name represents army of the people,

(34:15):
Kir represents the darkness that there's going to be this
really and obviously being twin brothers, like the severance process
is being shown by the fact that these two twin
brothers have been severed and then they've divided and it's
going to be this big interternal family war as diet
is the thing now. Then then it led into the

(34:37):
idea that Mark is a relative of Dieta and Helly
is a relative of Ker and that actually and they're actually.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Linked together as a family.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
But obviously season four we see them in an act
and that could potentially become another another try like which
we almost see with Dylan, you know, the whole out
in any like with Gretchen, you know, like that we
could have this kind of another triangle form him, but

(35:13):
in the form that we've got Mark and Helly obviously
unaware that they are.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
In like linked together, you know, their cousins.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
That's a crazy theory. The theory I saw about the
fourth Appendix is that the reason they said the Fourth
Appendix wasn't available to the Severed Floor is because it
didn't exist because Ricken wrote it. And that was actually
his first job for Luman was he wrote the fourth Appendix.
For some reason, Mark is the key to Cold Harbor.
You know, that's the whole thing of them in painting

(35:45):
this whole season, that he has to do it. They'll
do whatever it takes to get him to complete this work,
whether it's bringing his mdr Team back, et cetera. Like
they're kind of bending or bending in a human way
where it seems like they're giving them some leg up,
but in reality they're not. It's just adding more forms

(36:06):
of control to get to this final yeah file being completed.
But I have seen things of where they see Mark
as kind of a cure incarnate in a way. But
I do feel like he is expendable in a lot
of ways too, where I don't think he's meant to

(36:30):
be like an air apparent. I mean, I could be
totally wrong, but I think they're really just using him
as a tool for this particular project. I think because
obviously it's tied to miss Casey, his what he thought
dead wife and what they call the testing floor, which
again they've been leading a lot. Now we know it's
called the Exports Hall. That's exactly where you know, after

(36:51):
Irving made that trip to O and D, like he
we are now getting more informations like everything is building
up to YEA and Cold Harbor seems to be very
intertwined with miss Casey in some way, shape or form.
But I'm still not sure if Mark is that important
to them other than finishing this.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
I have got a theory the reason Mark's got to
complete the Cold Harbor is because miss Casey is the
prototype for them to re install in and uninstalling memories
and if they can master that with the Obviously the
MDR doing the numbers, because Heley says she felt emotional
on certain number codes when she punished them in that

(37:33):
they're trying to restore the four tempers. Now they're putting
the codes in and obviously with the restoration of the
four tempers, that would allow them to basically fundamentally bring
gear back that they use in her as the prototype
for the reinstalling emotions, and that's obviously she goes and

(37:55):
disappears every time because she fundamentally has everything raised, and
then then they bring her back. They're punching in MVR
or punching in every day and reinstalling her memories, allowing
her because she works so closely with the micro the finals,
So that obviously that theory that they're trying to basically
reinstall the family.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
It's almost like a bit of a get out kind
of scenario in my head, Like, yeah, but that's kind
of where I'm That's.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Where I'm kind of going with it, is I kind
of feel that that's what they're doing, Like they're reinstalling, uh,
reinstalling the memories and taking off the memories, and they
need they need these, you know, they're using the probability
people that have died as the subjects with the people
that they've left behind, and obviously knowing that they have

(38:48):
that connection, they're just pushing these memories.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, there's so much about gluming in general that they've
only kind of scratched the surface on, like we know
the employees work in a province called kir Pe, which
obviously isn't a real thing in the United States, which
a lot of people think is like they they were
like a sovereign country within the within the world, not

(39:11):
even in the US, because that Keanu Reeves voiced Insane
Nation video revealed that there's like I think there's like
two hundred and seventy six locations or something with throughout
the world, which is also kind of terrifying that there's
that many. I know, a very popular theory and it
has to do with the goats, which obviously we still
don't know what the goats do, but we got a

(39:32):
little bit more a look into mammalia nurturable.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Yeah, well I'm one of the night.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Obviously, a big theory is cloning and that the goats
are clones because they're trying to work up to clone humans.
And a lot of people think Miss Casey, like Gemma
did die and this is actually a clone. And there's
the big theory that Miss Swang is like a clone
daughter of Mark or an actual daughter of them somehow,
which I think someone did the time and the time

(39:58):
really wouldn't work for that because she's only been dead
for like two or three years or something, so that
really wouldn't work. But like a clone, kind of like
a Boba Fett situation would kind of make sense.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
It would it would work.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
But I also don't know if cloning is a thing.
There's been obviously with the weird holograms that happened in
episode four, people think those are like three D printed
versions that are clones. That could also be a thing,
because they've mentioned things being three D printed. There's like
so many wild theories going on. I think that's the

(40:34):
coolest thing too, is that they've said that they know
kind of how the story is going to end, but
they've never teased into how long it's going to take
to tell that story. So I have no idea how
long this show's going to go. It could go for
three seasons for all we know, and that's it would
be a bummer because I just want to I'm selfish
and want to see more.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Well investing.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
You know, they've taken so much time now, I just
I want to keep giving them exactly.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
But also I can't be mad if like they're like,
here's a story we told it. It's over. You know,
you can't be mad at that. I can only respect
that and be like, Okay, well they told the story
they wanted to tell. It's so cool to see a
show where it's like season's end and you have no
idea where the story is going and how long you
can take to tell the story or anything like, because
a lot of people like even Paradise, like the creator

(41:22):
came out and he's like, I have a three season story.
So it's like, if that gets renewed, which I'm sure
it will, they'll probably just renew seasons two and three
and be like, finish the story. Happened very recently with Silo.
They're like, yep, we need two more seasons to tell
the story. They're like, there you go. Good to go
finish the story. I have no doubt they're gonna renew it.
I know. Ben Stieler said the writer's room for season

(41:44):
three has already started, which I believe Apple hasn't officially
Greenlay yet, which I'm sure is coming any day or
maybe they'll wait near to the end. I don't know,
but it's coming. There's no way. It's not like.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Right now, there's no way everyone's so invested.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
It's like so invested, and it's just like, yeah, it's
I think it's got so much to give, and like
you can see you could do that. You can like
you can see that they could take that into so
many directions. They could be like you know, sub sub
stories of different characters, how they do it, you know,
depending where they go and how how they do it

(42:26):
and where they go with the characters, you find yourself
invested with them in different degrees. You know, whether it
be meal Check, whether it be Cabell, Like these are
really like they've developed these characters so well that everyone
you're invested in all of them, you don't you don't
really hate anyone either. Like it's really like it's really weird,

(42:47):
like to watch you show and not hate someone. It's
like doesn't seem to like be a major antagonist like everyone,
Like there's people that seem to like sort of poke
you through the seasons and through the episodes that you're like, oh,
he's just a bit annoying. I find the characters more
like frustrating and like an antagonist, Like even like they

(43:09):
make sort of Milchep to be like almost like a
bad guy good guy he's like a good good cop
back coop in One City, Like you you like the
Guard unreal, Yeah, and then at the same time you're like,
you're like, he annoys me, but you find yourself finding
compassion for him. And I find that a lot of

(43:30):
the characters have that, and maybe that that's how they're
going to really develop it, you know, like that the
personalities of the characters. Obviously, with like the idea of
severance is that these personalities might be more you know,
like different parts of them every time that you know,
if you look at the clone theory that every time
a clone comes out that it doesn't give the full personality,

(43:52):
it gives just a percentage of that personality, right, and
they're working on working on the percentages.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah. The thing with mister Millspack that gets me, especially
in this season is like when he got those cure
paintings that were like so racist and insane. Yeah, yeah,
it was like wow, so unsettling to wash is that
you feel bad for him and there's an there's there's

(44:22):
a certain sequence that happens with his character in episode
five that I believe a lot of people have similar feelings,
and that makes the show more interesting even with Helena,
like obviously she has this like really kind of cold,
like corporate aura to her, but even when it was

(44:43):
obviously her in the tent with Mark, it she's like,
I didn't like who I was in the outside, like
and she's talking about herself, yeah, you know, and it's
it makes you feel bad for her in a lot
of ways. And again this hap as an episode, it's
kind of a more deep dive into, obviously the ramifications

(45:06):
of what happened with Helena being Helena or Helena pretending
to be Helly. This entire season comes into major play
with episode five. Obviously everyone expects that, but the way
they talk about how the Indian Audi are different people
is so interesting because really those they're for all intents

(45:28):
and purposes, they're the same person.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Yeah, one goes into work, one's just outside.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, they're not like as we've seen with Helly and Helena.
It's almost like their personalities are totally different. Even almost
with Mark. In a lot of ways, they fundamentally seem
like the same person, but they're both kind of driven
by different things. Like Mark likes working and he likes
being around the people he works with, especially Helly. But
now he feels betrayed because he hasn't been with Helly

(45:56):
this whole since ye be back to work. His audi
is just like, I just want to escape the grief
of my wife. But at the same time, it's like
me going to work is almost trying to find a
way to discover my wife again. It's such a complicated, complex,
interesting thing that they just deal with on a personal
level and a psychological level that on top of everything

(46:18):
else happening in this fucking show, even the Dylan and
his wife's stuff, Like you talked about that yet If
anyone hasn't read my stuff on Clyder, I have done
many a deep dives on Severn's already the season, and
one was kind of the realization of Dylan's Audie and
the possible love triangle that could be coming between them.
How they paired his any ingression meeting for the first time,

(46:41):
paired with their real life marriage was like broke my
heart because it's like almost like Gretchen sees like probably
the version of Dylan she fell in love with in
the any version and sees this like hope and drive
and just like happiness that obviously she doesn't see a home.
It's like at home, they live in this very like

(47:03):
routine based, loveless marriage, and it's like almost going to
see the work version of him is like a new
spark to their relationship, but it's really not with Dylan, Yeah,
even though it is, And that's a very weird and
complicated thing to tackle.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
I found that the innies are like showing parts of
the personality that they don't allow to have in their
or they've hidden in their normal auty life, like the
you know, if you look at Dylan as a good
like as a subject of it, like his work Inny
is so driven, like he wants to work, he wants

(47:41):
to win the awards. You know, he's successful, but he
doesn't have that on his like auty life. And it's
like the innies are just are parts of the personality
that they've hidden or don't use in their outside world
come to life in the actual Lumen office, like the
Severn process almost like accentuates those parts of their personality

(48:04):
that don't necessarily come to the surface or or exist
in the outside world.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
It's a very good call and I think that's probably
very very true. And like, the last thing I want
to talk about is that obviously the Glasgow block is
much more to me and meant so much more than
just what it was. You know, obviously it's like the
reverse of the overtime contingency, where the AUDI can be
active in separate areas. But if you really think about it,

(48:32):
that just means they can turn off the any versions
of them whenever they want.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
There was at the end of season support.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
There's other protocols, isn't it. There's a whole list of them.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Oh yeah, it broke it down Brown.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
What I was going to touch on. I like that
just changes everything.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
I would definitely say so that it's crazy because in
the list of Glasgow was listed in the procedures when
they were going through the overtime considuously in season one,
so it wasn't just the thing they made up. It's
a thing they teased last season. But they've only we've
only seen two out of ten of the procedures listed
between the screen and the binder. That's it. So we've

(49:19):
only seen twenty percent of the procedures they have over
them at anytime. And that's crazy, I know it just
and that makes me.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Think it's just to keep going and going and going.
They could do so much and it's.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Just got so much. And the article I was talking
about I kind of theorized what each protocol could do.
There's some wild theories out there. I mean we've talked about,
but the dating back to season one, it's.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Obviously like a massive control. Like they've also like they
obviously showed how far the reach of Lumens goes. Lumen's
obviously working within the government, so the government know what
they're doing. The government are on board and what they're
doing it, so so there's obviously there's there's that connection
as well.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
So there's like so much going on, and.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
They are they're really pushing with the idea of time
as well. At the time that they were obviously on
the overtime contingency was like five months to innies.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
They totally lied to the Innies because they told market
for five months. But in reality, like when you watch
episode two, it was like by the time his MDR
team comes back, it's like less than a week.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Yeah, he still thinks it's like five months. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
reality it was a week.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
And I really wouldate to like and I'm sure I
think episode five would probably do it, but like I
really want to know more a bit about more like
mill check. I feel that he he's got there's some
him and Cobel have links. Now.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
I did read actually and I saw a couple of
things on it that there was.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
An Eagan School and Cobell and what and one were
both at Egan School School of Excellence and they were
both pupils.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
So that obviously, like the whole one. This one thing
is quite you know, like it's just hilarious.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
It's crazy. Yeah, it's like why you're a child. Yeah,
I just I think it's brilliants that like underlying humor
with it as well, like it's real like slapstick kind
of funny humor that kind of just kind of like
keeps on the underneath the tone of it.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
There was another one I saw.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Gretchen actually works for Lumen's as well, in security's security
for illumine A Lumen. Yeah, so because she needs to
do the security job. And when you see the the
like the converse in between Dylan and her, she's going
to work. She just talks in just radio talk like

(51:53):
receiver talk, all the languages, receiver talk, like she says
over and out like yeah, so she actually he is
in Lumen, and that I think is how they've they're
testing with Dylan and his wife, who's already knows the
program to see how in he's and outis work. So
she's almost like a they're like a test family, but

(52:15):
they're all in linked with Lumen. She's a security she
can and that they The theory is that she was
at the end of the receiver where Milchak was ordering
the Glasgow and that was her initiating it.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
That makes it so much darker.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
She actually, yeah, she actually knows that she can switch
him off at any time. She has the power to do.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
That's crazy. Holy ship. She worked for a lumin and
it makes perfect sense. But oh my god, we're gonna
end on that theory because that's n theory. That thought
I thought is incredible. But Woodie Man, thank you so
much for coming back on the show. Talking Srances, I'd
love to come back.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
I think we've got We're gonna have a lot to unpack.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
I think.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
So if there's a there's an episode, just start for
a guest.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Hit me up.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
We're bros. I'd I'd like to spend time with you.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
I'd love to spend more time with you, but I
think you're you know, a ten hour podcast and being
wrapped it on about the severance might not get listened
to you, but like.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Yeah, let's try and do it again.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
I think we're going to have like many many more
talking points, so yeah, I'd love to do it. I
love being part of the show, so thank you.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, no problem. But for you out here, and you
got tour coming up, so plug what Polar has got
going on where people can find you.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
We are about to start a European tour on I
think Monday.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
We leave for it on Friday, so that's like all
over like Germany, Switzerland, Hungry just to name a few places.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
You can get tickets for that on ww dot PUK
dot co.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
We are in the middle of We're now three months
into releasing our new album five Hours, so thank you
to anyone that has heard it. If you haven't listened
to it, all your popular digital stream insights, Spotify and
everything else looked for poly UK and I hope you
enjoyed the album and if you are listening to it,
thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
The album is awesome. What you sent it to me
before his pr people even send it to me. It's
a super cool, like fresh feeling like hardcore record. It's
super super dope, So if you haven't checked it out,
please please please go check it out. And I hope
it only it gets more popular and some day you

(54:28):
make it over to the US so we can hang out.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
That is the plan.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
That is the plan to do this in person. And
if we can make it in person, we could do
a podcast in person. You know. That's that's that's the great,
big plan.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Yeah, I would love it. I would love nothing more
than that, honestly. But yes, I'll link everything down below
so you can go check out support polar if you're
in the UK, if you're in Europe, go see them
on tour. Support everything they're doing. And if you want
to support the podcast milk Corners dot com, our links
are right there. And when is he placed in my
prescottich is as sharks on Instagram And until next time,

(55:01):
see you layir nerds.
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