Shane Told of Silverstein

A new era of Metalcore Nerds is here! Shane Told of Silverstein joins Sean to discuss the lack of event TV, the benefits of having unlimited access to TV & movies, and what some of the hidden gems of 2025 are.

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Speaker 2 (01:00):
I've everyone local most podcasts in the multiverse metal core Nerds.
For each episode, I have a guest in the podcasting
amusement community and we talk about the latest and greatest
in entertainment. I'm Sean Mott and my co host this
week is Shane of Silverstein. Welcome to the I get
to co host this thing. I thought every guest is
the co host. Guest the host.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Okay, cool, big man. You think I'm metalcore and now
I'm co hosting a podcast. This is this is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
You know. I have a weird hot take that I
firmly believe that every band that was dubbed like a
scream o band in the two thousands, they're just metal
core bands.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
That's a pretty hot take. I agree with you on
that one. I'll agree with your hot take that it
is a hot take. A all agree with on that one. Yeah,
I mean we have some metal elements. I would say that,
you know, we don't have a double here's the thing, Silverstein.
No double kick. No double kick. That's a big that's
a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
That is a big deal. That is a really great
kind of attributing factor. But you do have like breakdowns
and there's riffs that are metal e you know, yeah,
that's metal core is a broad spectrum. It's a really
especially after like you know, like the late two thousands,
it got real broad. You know, people didn't like metal
core because it was it was concerned to a certain
subsect of bands, and then it became cool again, and

(02:14):
you know, all the bands that like were the pioneers
of metal core became super popular again. It's it's a
weird when you get to the whole subgenre stuff, it
gets confusing. Heavy music is just awesome. I don't care
even if there's a little bit of heavy I think.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I yeah, you're right about the sub genres. It does
get It does get a bit confusing, even for me sometimes.
And I'm a I am a metal core nerd. I'm
a lot of nerd. I'm a lot of different nerds,
but I am also a metal core nerd yes, as
well as well as a punk rock nerd and a
scream o nerd and et cetera.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, I mean that's the stuff I kind of, I
don't want to say, grow up on and and date
both of us. But you know, like my formative teenage
years were like the scream oh and and metal core
stuff when they were separate things.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
But when I was actually growing up, metal core didn't exist.
So right, Yeah, you know it's because we're talking about metalcore.
I'm gonna say this the first band that I remember hearing.
I actually saw them live because they played in my
hometown of Ookville, Ontario, on the floor in a hall.
They were so important, I think, and that was unearth

(03:21):
like that band and this was they really are And
I don't feel like they don't get enough credit because
like you know, I saw them. They rolled in. They
had like seven string guitars. I was like, yeah, seven
string guitars.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
What is this?

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Like you're gonna say, like because at that point, if
you saw a seven string guitar, you assumed someone was
gonna sound like corn you know, or like when biscuit
or something. And they had this way of blending that
like you know, really like intricate metal with like vocals
that were not metal and you know, in shorter songs
and like no guitar solos, and you know a lot
of the things that like metal wasn't and they were

(03:56):
like that. For me, that was the band that I
first said, like I'd heard other things that sort of
had like that you know, metallic hardcore like I think
of like Earth Crisis or something, which is like which
was a way earlier, and they had a way of
being like a hardcore band that had obviously big metal influences,
you know, or like you could go back to the
Chromaggs if you wanted to. But in terms of like

(04:18):
modern metal core as like we know it as we
talk about it, for me on Earth was the was
the band I saw that went that I went, oh
like that that to me like really unlocked it just Killswitch.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
So it's the same bixically from the same city. Yeah, yeah,
you know right, and came out around the same time.
One ended up getting bigger than the other.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah. And I mean another band you could you could
kind of put in the same breath really doing it
in a different way would be Converge, right, Like they
were also like you know, hardcore and like super metal too,
just like a different kind of metal, like a little
less slayer, a little more neurosis, you know, like you know,
and and and I you know, there's the differences there

(05:00):
with influences. But like, yeah, you know, in terms of
like when I think of when I think of metalcore,
if you if you were just like you know, just
walk up to me on the street and say, like,
name three metal core bands, I probably would say, kill Switch, Engage.
They probably would be the top three in the top three.
I would I would just name off the top of
my head. So yeah, I'll give you credit for that one.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Cool. Yeah. Wow, I don't think I've ever started an episode,
like almost two and fifty episodes, and I don't think
I've ever started one like this.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I like this what we don't talk about the title
of the podcast in the podcast?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't think I've ever dissected
it like that.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Well, Hey, I'm glad. I'm glad. I hope that How
many have you done? How many? What episode number is this?

Speaker 4 (05:39):
You know?

Speaker 2 (05:39):
I think this is like two forty something.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Every time I upload one, I look at something and
I'm like, oh, that's how many you have done?

Speaker 3 (05:45):
A lot? Then, yes, well I'm happy to be Well,
I'm I'm co hosting this podcast, so like I got
to lead it in a in a you know, good direction, right.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, you're bringing a great spin to it already, Like great,
good job, there you go. Job. Now, this episode is
going to be a little different. For people who've listened
to the show for two hundred plus episodes, you would
be very familiar with the now watching section, which I've
done in probably for the last few years, but that
section is kind of taking over the show now in

(06:16):
order to broaden it for my guests and for new
listeners and old listeners. We're just gonna talk about what
we've been watching. We're going to talk about some news
as well. We're going to talk about how my co
host got into TV and movies. So it's just going
to be more of kind of focusing it on the
guest and not making it so particular as it's been

(06:40):
in past episodes, I guess. So obviously this podcast is
about what we were just talking about for the last
few minutes, but it is also talking having your favorite
bands or maybe bands you've never heard of, talk about
the things they love rather than talk about the things
they are almost forced to talk about all the time
when promote from voting things. So it's still that it's

(07:02):
just kind of a new twist, you know. I've been
doing this almost five years. I feel like it's important
in the landscape of this type of media that you
need to continue to evolve and to change and to
keep it fresh, for even me as the person who
does this. So we're going to try it out see
how it goes.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
So I'm forty episodes in five years. That's like you're
like on that weekly weekly you Yeah, I just guy
doesn't take a week off.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I have taken weeks off here and there. But now
I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, now I've kind of moved to
bi weekly. I'm a freelance graphic designer and work in
the music industry and that has taken over my life
in a very busy way. So bi weekly has made
it more easy for me because the one man show here,
you know, I do everything. Hey ended the podcast as

(07:50):
most podcasts people can relate to. They understand.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Are you wearing a corn shirt?

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I am wearing that.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
I didn't even see that until now, and I brought
up corn corn like you know, if you see a
seven string, it's probably, it's probably. It's so funny. I
did not even see that.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, simulation is working hard today for real, dude.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
All right, sorry, yeah, go on, I'm I'm co hosting
so I can ask you questions too, you know. Yeah,
of course, yeah, this is nice not just one a
one way street.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Whether you return the show or for SIMS. Thank you
so much for checking it out. The best way to
support the podcast. You're watching this on YouTube, like we
just talked about the editing on YouTube. Hit the subscribe
button there, hit that like button there, money think of
this new form.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yes, give them your banking information, deposit and ship straight
in straight who needs want send him cash money, mail it,
hide it well in an envelope, put it in some paper,
send it to his address.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Mailing a nice card, you know, just a nice a
nice little card.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
He'll throw the card.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Keep the money, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll keep the money.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Got the counts.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
And if you're listening, if you're on your favorite podcasting platform,
rate five star there. It helps people find the show,
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mal corn Nerds. You can find us on all social
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song every episode with the Metal Cards Song of the
Week and the song of the Week. This week is
from the melodic hardcore band from Australia, This is Bloom

(09:15):
with their latest single.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Yes Yes.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Last Rags.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Jo All fly Sag Yeah, Yeah lot of last.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
Last No said ass a lot, I said not a lie,
Jo said dry right for myself dr yass I lost
sight of Jack myself a foul serious stato. Yes by

(10:27):
my life mygius by my life, nor Ba.

Speaker 7 (10:43):
Right love sad right.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
Nor ba.

Speaker 8 (10:52):
R my shot Lodge's I dried myself not as.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
My job, sat cry for myself.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
You have I lost sight?

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Exact myself out the vowel serious socket Josses not the one.

Speaker 7 (11:22):
My John said all cry right for myself? I has
I lost right?

Speaker 6 (11:28):
Exact myself out the vowels sets subject, Yes, what.

Speaker 7 (11:46):
My lost ideas?

Speaker 5 (11:49):
What my mom I said?

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Sad song my.

Speaker 7 (12:07):
Idea Bob.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Bob sad far shine again that was Blue with their

(12:53):
latest single Withzard. I heard they have a new album
coming out. I don't feel like I can say details
about it, but just stay for that. New means usually
means new album.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
I heard they're going on tour with Silverstein this fall
across to the US and Canada. So hey, maybe that's
something to look out for. You want to see these
very very attractive Australians. They are a good look they're
a good looking band, they're a hot band, and they
played music pretty good too. They're they're pretty good at music.
But man are they sexy? So yeah, you want to

(13:22):
check them out? Literally check them on it?

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, literally check them out. There is something I wanted
to talk to you about band wise before we dive
into the pop culture stuff. I think what Silverstein has done,
and I think it's what every band in your position
should do, is that when you do these headline tours,
you build these I'm not gonna say complex, but these
like diverse tour packages that have kind of bands of

(13:48):
your stature or bands that are you know, established, and
then some up and coming bands.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Kallas Boys, they yeah, they're great and and I mean
they are. Can I just say they're a weird band?
Like can I just say that? I mean they like
they I mean, me and Carson we chatt all the time,
we text or we're good buddies.

Speaker 9 (14:06):
Now.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I love that guy.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
But like, you know, what they bring to the fold,
you know, like they opened for us in Europe, but
they you know, they're out there and they've got like
a violin player, you know, and like they got like
this whole just this whole spectacle, and their music is
like all like breaking all over the place, Like it
takes all kinds of twists and turns, like it's so

(14:30):
things can be so unexpected with what they're doing. And
you know, for us as a headlining band, you know,
and especially we've been doing it for a long time.
We want to encourage people to come to our shows
early because hopefully they're going to see something cool and
they they haven't maybe haven't seen before. And you know,

(14:52):
and I think the bands want to support us because
we encourage that as well. You know. So you know,
the Caloustawboys come on the tour and they had a great,
great time. They killed it and people were like, whoa,
this is like something we haven't seen before, you know,
so I think that that's really special. And like Bloom too.
You know. Bloom's a new band from Australia that kind

(15:12):
of came across our desk like at the time. They're
starting to blow up now, but like at the time,
you know, we first heard them and booked them on
the tour. You know, these things happened so far in advance.
They were you know, they were really really small. But
we just believe in that band. We think that they're
really good and yeah, they are really attractive, but that's
not why we put them on the tour, you know.

(15:33):
And then and then you know, having like somebody like Thursday,
who is a band that's been at it for literally
longer than we have. You know, it's just really cool
to have that, you know, basically have have something for everybody.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
You know.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
You know, if you're an old school fan, you're gonna
definitely come out and watch Thursday. If you're a newer fan,
maybe you know you're there from the beginning and you
want to see some new bands that you know, you
don't know about. So it's not a new thing though.
You know, we've we've literally done this since you know,
our first you know, our first couple headline tours. You know,
we've always tried to bring out, you know, different bands

(16:08):
like I remember we brought out you know, for modern
day Ashes to strike anywhere, you know, bands that had
been in the game longer than we had, and then
we brought out this new band to open up. Actually
the slots, the slot was was half one band and
half another band. It was the opening slot was a
data remember and Dance Gavin Dance two small probably yeah,

(16:30):
they were at the time they were at the time
we found those bands. We found those bands, We knew
about those bands. We saw the potential. I always say, man,
like if if if there was a stock market for bands,
like if you could invest like in the penny stocks
of bands. Dude, I would be a metal core millionaire,

(16:54):
is what I'd be. We'd be on the metal Core
Millionaire podcast right now. Yeah, because yeah, like for real.
But but you know, we we saw the potential in
those bands and brought them out and yeah, and you
know we've seen what those bands have done. But yeah,
it's it's it's I don't want to understate the importance
of or the importance that we put on our opening act,

(17:18):
how like carefully we curate that and and you know,
really want to make sure that not only does do
the bands make sense opening for us and that they're
going to have a great experience, but also like you know,
we want a little bit of diversity in the bill,
but also like we don't necessarily want to have like,
you know, some like death metal band playing like right

(17:39):
before some some like you know, soft female fronted folk
artist plays right. So there's always also that important part too.
So there's a lot of moving parts that go into
selecting a lineup for sure.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Oh yeah, I am. I'm well well aware of that
whole process and everything like that. I did want to know,
is there any other kind of like up and come
bands you have on the radar right now, other than
obviously the ones we've talked about.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
What's just full disclosure here. As a co host, I'm
allowed to say this. He did tell me he was
gonna ask me this question, right, so I was like, Oh,
I better have a couple bands so I don't like
sit here for like five minutes thinking about it. There's
also a band that just opened for us from Australia
because we were just in Australia called Wayside, not Bayside. Wayside.
Super cool band too, like super new, super fresh, Like

(18:28):
probably a lot of people on this side of the
ocean don't know them. So that's that's one to check out,
you know. And it's funny. There's a band that I'm
actually working with. I should definitely shut them out too.
They got the cover of They're completely unsigned independent band.
Spotify put them on the cover of the All New
Rock Playlist because they just thought that was their song

(18:49):
was great. That's a band everyone should check out. They're
called Tarnish Tarnish. They're from California, Sacramento, California. Tarnish. Great band,
kind of like it's kind of like Stories so far,
but like a little bit raw more raw Okay, super
cool band. Yeah, so check them out. Tarnish very cool, awesome.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Moving into pop culture stuff, I have no idea what
your depth of pop culture consumption is whatsoever, And that's
what makes this stuff exciting for me. But I want
to know what got you into TV, movies, whatever it
is you like to consume, Like, what was the inciting incident,
whether it's when you were a kid or when you
were older, that kind of it clicked for you.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Growing up, Like at a really young age, my favorite
I'm not even gonna say my favorite like TV program,
but like my favorite thing was he Man Masters of
the Universe. Okay, to the point where I couldn't read,
but when he Man would come on, I would my

(19:52):
mom would. I would get really mad if my mom
didn't come in the room whatever she was doing and
read me the title at the beginning of the episode
like this. It was so important for me to know
the title and what what would happen like and I
would I would have a Apparently I don't really remember
this too well, but my mom has mentioned this so
many times that I know it's true. But yeah, I
would would freak out if the episode wasn't if she

(20:14):
missed it and to the point where she started just
making up the episode names. But I was a little
bit smarter than she thought, and I would I would
like actually be like, oh, yeah, I actually know that's wrong,
and I would still freak out like that's not right.
I'd also apparently force her to get on her back
and I would ride her around the living room like

(20:34):
and call her battle Cat. So I had it pretty
bad early on with Masters of the Universe. And you know,
of course like collecting all the toys and everything. Yeah, man,
I don't know, like, you know, for how old are you?

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I am thirty five?

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Thirty five, so I'm forty four. So that's a it
doesn't seem like a big age gap maybe, but kind
of is for like the consumption and where we were at,
you know, and like so you know, a lot of
the TV that I wat watched and stuff like in
my you know, high school and stuff like that was
like you know, you know, it was like an event,

(21:07):
like like Thursday Nights when Friends was on. That was
like a thing. Man, Yeah, it sounds so lame now.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Was that TJF Fridays, TGF Fridays?

Speaker 3 (21:19):
What's TGF Fridays. Oh, I mean, I'm from Canada too,
so we might be had different TV, different TV networks.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Thursday might have been the thing, but TJF Fridays, I
think it was ABC or NBC, and it was like
a block of like the biggest shows.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
And I'm jumping ahead like probably almost you know, fifteen
years here talking about talking about Friends. But like I remember,
you know, when after Friends had been on for you know,
five six years, I think I was in like the
end of high school or my first year of college,
like Thursday nights, everybody watched that show. And I know,

(21:56):
it's not like a cool show, like it got kind
of got cool a little bit because it was on
Netflix and people watching it again. But like that show
was so massive, Like I remember, you know, we would
all get go to like friend's house. We'd put it on,
like we're talking about watching it on like a nineteen
inch TV literally, you know, and and a nineteen inch
TV that weighed like two hundred pounds, you know, literally,
you you know, you'd be in in the living room

(22:18):
watching the show and then commercial boom, everyone goes to
the kitchen, like makes a drink or goes to the bathroom, whatever,
and then like you know, someone someone would be you know,
in the bathroom and you'd be like, it's back on,
you know, like literally like you know, and everyone would
come rushing in and then like you know, people like
like cause there was no going back, you know, and

(22:39):
like and like that's something that I miss so much
about TV and that, like or like some of the
other shows, like you know, like Dawson's Creek was like
such a big hit when I was in high school
and like those and like, you know, it was an
event and then the next day you everyone would be
at school, you'd be talking about the what happened and

(23:00):
whatever show it was, you know, or even like Seinfeld
like you know, shit, I remember like talking about who
wants to be a Millionaire the next day in high
school because a big because that was a big hit.
It's like I couldn't believe he didn't know that answer
to that question, you know, and like that is is gone.
It's it's pretty much gone. Sure, there's like those big

(23:21):
shows that have like you know, it's like a finale
of Severance or something, you know, like that show. And
of course I watched that and the finale came out
and I watched it when it came out, and you know,
and and everyone's talking about that, but then there's also
like you can't spoiled it, no spoilers, so we can't
talk about it, and then you don't have like there's
not the same community, you know anymore, And I really

(23:43):
do miss that when, like, you know, it was like
you had these networks and these TV programs, and even
if they weren't the best shows all the time, everybody
watched them together and it was like we were all
watching the same, the same you know things, and a
lot of that shaped us, you know, and shaped our

(24:04):
our kind of generation. And now it's like, man, like
there's just so much out there.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
There's an overwhelmingly amount. And this comes from someone who
watches a lot of TV and movies and even my
consumption level, which is probably higher than most people, and
I still feel like there's a million things I could watch. Yeah,
it's impossible, you know.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
It's really really funny and like not to get too
down this like weird rabbit hole, but like I've thought
about this quite a bit, so like you know, let's
say my kind of like you know, real my blossoming years,
you know of like of like finding out what I
like and exploring stuff. You know. Like let's say it
was like ninety five ninety six when I was like,
you know, fourteen, fifteen years old, right, So at that

(24:47):
time ninety five, there had been you know, only so
many decades of like movie and TV really, right, yeah, sure,
and so much of it was just not available like
you could there was you know, if you wanted to
watch something, you had to hope that your video store
had it on VH at it and then it wasn't

(25:08):
rented at the time because they they probably only had
one copy of like I don't know, the Blob. I remember,
I rented that when I was a kid, you know,
like I wanted I wanted to watch every horror movie
you know, ever, right, so, I like, you know, how
many Terrible Friday the Thirteenth movies there are? Oh my god,
Like they're all kind of bad, you know, But like
I found out the hard way, because that's like what
you know, I heard about it and it's iconic, and

(25:29):
you know, so you go to the video store and
you watch them and you don't know any better, you know,
and and it wasn't unlimited, and you know, so but
but like, but my my point is, like you have
all of you have like this this kind of a
relatively small period of time from when you know, like
and we're not I'm not going to watch movies from
the thirties and forties, right, so like you only have

(25:51):
a couple of decades really of like you know, modern
cinema and and and television. I mean wasn't even a
thing until like the fifties. If you want to get
you know, want to get technical, right, and then you know,
you think about somebody that's growing up now that's that age, right,
and you have like thirty more years double of the

(26:12):
amount of time. But it's got to be like exponential
the amount of stuff that's been produced, and then on
top of it, the amount of stuff that is just available. Yeah,
it is. It is crazy, you know, because when I'm fourteen,
fifteen years old, there's like there's such a finite number
of things that I really can watch, you know. And

(26:34):
then here's the thing, dude, this is the craziest thing too.
So I read this book called The Nineties by Chuck Klosterman.
It's really really good book. And since that's the era,
you know that the decade I grew up in you know,
it was it was really really cool to read. But
what I never thought about was that before the invention

(26:56):
of the VCR, there was no way to watch anything
at all, want demand at all. So, like my sister is,
my sister's fifty fifty, right, and she just caught the
like video store, like wave. Anyone older than my sister,

(27:18):
all the stuff that they would have watched had to
be on TV. Like they would have to have like
you want to see, Oh, you want to watch like,
let's say The Godfather, right, if the movie came out
in nineteen seventy two, I think so, Like let's say
it's nineteen eighty eighty two, right, and that movie's been
out for ten years, and like there's no like, I

(27:40):
don't know when when the VHS was invented, right, Let's
just say probably in the early eighties, I don't. I
don't know, right, some of that. So let's say you
want to watch The Godfather, one of the greatest movies
of all time.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
There's no way to watch it. You just can't watch
that movie. The only way you can watch it is
if it happens to come on TV. And I guarantee
you if it if it comes on TV at that time,
it's heavily edited. They can't show that kind of violence,
especially at that time on television, or you have to
wait until it's like a replay at a movie theater
somewhere yep. And And that that to me is like

(28:18):
crazy because now people don't know how good they have it. Man,
you can watch, Yeah, you can spend if you wanted,
if you wanted to, in the next like one hundred days,
every night you could watch the top one hundred movies
of all time. You would know more about cinema than
probably the average like like movie reviewer in the nineteen
eighties that probably hadn't we seen all those movies, you.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (28:41):
In like, in like one hundred days, you could watch
one hundred movies or go watch two a night. Let's
talk about a month and a half. And you're and
you're like, you know, you know what I mean. It's
like that that whole thing about how important the video
recorder was and now just extrapolating that to like just
streaming and the ability to watch everything. When I when
I had that realization in my mind, it kind of

(29:04):
it kind of blew blew my mind, you know.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Because you just you take that for granted for sure. Yeah,
I feel like it's it's like a gift and a curse.
Sometimes I don't even want to call it a curse
because it's like, what is it really a curse about
having unlimited access to like things to enjoy?

Speaker 3 (29:20):
You know? But I get well, I know, I know,
but but it is though, because like you know, and
this is such a common problem, like how many times
have you like put on the TV and like fucking
wasted twenty thirty minutes just trying to figure out what
you watched, what you're gonna watch?

Speaker 5 (29:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, it's like it's a lot all the time.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, Yeah, it's it's kind of like a constant struggle,
I think, because sometimes you know, you want to be
in the right mood for a certain thing, or you
don't want to like put something on that you might
not be in the right headspace for, and kind of
like Sully, the experience of it, Yeah, it's such like
a can be such a complicated, weird thing to try
and tackle. Usually I have, like I try to keep

(30:00):
current with things, and there's very few things I watched
with my wife as far as TV goes. She doesn't
really like TV, so that's easy. I know when a
show's coming out that she wants to watch, and then
we're like it's go time, and then we usually just
freeze through and it's nice. It's a nice, nice little
thing we get.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
To and yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I think
there are like some good TV shows now, Like I
thought Severance was pretty good. I I you know, but
so much of this shit now it's like I think
it's designed because they know, like people are going to
spend most of the time like scrolling on their phone
while they're trying to watch a show, and like so many,

(30:36):
so many of the times, like these these these shows,
like the problems get resolved so quickly, you know, and
like and like some of the plot lines are like
kind of just like so basic, and I don't I mean,
I feel like some of that's got to be by
design a little bit so that maybe people aren't getting confused.
I don't know, like, you know, there's just a lot

(30:58):
of drivel. Like like I was watching that show on
Apple TV called The Stick. It's like the number one show.
It's like Ohn Wilson, he's like a old golfer, we
washed up golf or whatever. I'm like, you know, it's fine,
but like there's so many shows that are just like, yeah,
it's fine, you know, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
It's funny because I was like talking to my friend
because I feel like I hit a wall in watching.
So I write for anyone who's new listening and hasn't
heard me talk about this. I I write about TV
for Collider dot Com. So I already watched a lot
of TV. As it is, I get a lot of
stuff early. So I've hit a wall in my time
of the year because once the year starts over, everything

(31:35):
resets in my brain for some reason as far as
like new things. But I've definitely hit a wall of
I can call when things are gonna happen or kind
of like I was like, oh, that was really convenient.
I've hit that wall where that stuff is so prevalent
in my brain, especially in TV, because I've watched so much.
It's like you see, you know, it's like it's like

(31:56):
I'm watching the same show. It's just different actors are
playing it and the situations are just yeah, a little
bit because I watched that it's one of the top
shows on Netflix. But you know, with Netflix, everything's a binge.
So the top show changes weekly because they're dumb and
won't conform to the weekly release schedule for some reason.
I don't really understand it, but I watched that untamed

(32:18):
show with a oh yeah, yeah, yeah it was and
that was like some people were like, oh, it's really good,
and I'm like, it's it's fine, Like I'm not mad.
I watched it, but I was like I called the ending.
I was like, oh, I bet that's what's going to happen.
And there was some very easy, very big plot conveniences. Yeah,
most times we're like, something's happening, and then a person
shows up right up that time when it's in Yosemite Park,

(32:40):
like this massive, extra dangerous park, and then these two
certain characters just happen to be at the right place
at the right time. I don't know. Yeah, that's not
like I don't know if I'm buying that.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
I skipped that one. Yeah, I don't know. I know
what you mean about the the binge model, and yeah,
it is confusing to me to twitch switch gears a
little bit. Butlake, Yeah, how you'd think, like if if
the goal of Netflix is to keep subscribers. Wouldn't it
make a lot more sense to roll things out week

(33:15):
after week so that like, if you're into an untamed
and you've watched the first four episodes and then you
want to watch episode five and it falls on the
next building cycle, you would just keep your subscription because
you want to watch the next episode. Isn't that just
like basic business? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:33):
And it's I don't understand how they can't see that
the biggest shows on TV, like a Severance or you know,
or anything on Disney Plus or whatever, like The Mandalorian
or something that you see that the shows or like
The Last of Us or anything like that. You see
that these shows grow as the series goes along, So
it's more people, more eyes on your streaming service as

(33:56):
it goes along, the more people talk about it, the
more it stays in this guys.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, I know. And then and also like yeah, and
then of course, like Severn's is the best example, because
everybody was talking about that show, including you know, that's
how I heard about it. Was like people had already
watched because the first season wasn't that big when it
was right and then because I heard about it.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
But the you know, the talk of the town, like, yeah,
I even't think I've had more people stop to talk
to me like it, just like around because like all
my friends know, I'm like, I live pop culture. I've
had I've never had so many people stop to want
to talk about reference to me, to a point where
Sam is like, I will never watch the show because

(34:41):
I've heard so many people talk about it. But yeah,
the difference between season one season two are yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
But like literally my entire band was talking about this show.
They'd all watched the first season. They were having little
watch parties every week when the show would come out. Seriously,
they don't I'll gather around a freaking iPad and watch
the show on the bus. And I was like, well,
I got to catch up. So you know what I did.

(35:08):
I freaking got Apple TV Plus I didn't have it,
and now I'm watching the other Apple tv Plus shows
because I'm not going to cancel the subscription, because you
don't do that. You get a subscription and then you
pay for it forever until you die, even if you
don't watch it. That's what you do.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
So it is it is like a.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Little bit strange that that Netflix is holding onto this.
They do it a little bit though, Like I know,
like I watched that trash like I watched some trash TV.
Don't get me wrong, Like I'm not too I'm not
too good for for like Love is Blind, uh, and
that's a show. They do roll it out a little
bit more slowly, so they did, but they never roll
it out week after week. They do, like they'll do like, oh,

(35:44):
there's five episodes.

Speaker 9 (35:45):
In the volumes, more coming here, and then they do
yeah sort of yeah, so yeah even that, like Wednesday
came out four episodes, one drop, and then a month
later four episodes and it's like, why don't you just
release them weekly?

Speaker 6 (35:58):
Right?

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Right? That's true, they did it, I guess. I guess
maybe they're they're coming into it a little bit. Maybe
they just don't want people to complain if they switch
their their model. I don't know who really cares. But
like like Cobra Kai they did that too, right, or
a Squid Game too.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Actually yeah, they split up a little. It's it's like
they're like middle ground for what it is? All right, Well,
you said you hadn Apple TV plus, so what are
their shows? Bless? If you watch al Than?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
So that's about it, really, you know, what I want
to watch. I want to I really want to watch
Dark Matter because that I read that book quite a
while ago. I think maybe when it came out my sister.
My sister is a librarian, so she's like book crazy.
She's read every book ever, and she said to me

(36:47):
years ago, she's like, you might you might really like
this book. So she gave me a copy of it,
and it was probably I probably read that book around
twenty sixteen. I'm not sure when the book came out,
because I know. I know because I wrote a couple
songs on our twenty seventeen Dead Reflection album about that
book because I really liked that book. So then, you know,

(37:09):
whenever I read a book, I always kind of wonder
if they're gonna make it into a movie. Like I
remember Ready Player one was a book I read I
really liked, Oh Manday they ever fuck got that movie?
That movie sucks, But I love the book, love the book,
and so dark Matter was one I was like, that
could make an awesome movie. So then when they turned
it in like they turned it into a TV series,

(37:30):
and I that's on my like top on my list
to watch because I didn't know. I didn't know actually
until I got Apple TV Plus and dug through the
depths of it that that it even existed.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
So that's why I'm anyone who hasn't heard or watched
Dark Matter. The basic premise is it's this teacher, but
he's like he's really into like multiversal theory and like
his business partner ends up becoming like super like famous
and rich and like quantum mechanics and stuff like that.
And then one day he wakes up and he's in

(38:03):
a different world than what he remembers, and you kind
of find out that a version of him, like from
another universe steals his life, and in that universe he
invented multiversal travel. And then it's like basically him trying
to and it's not the way they explain the multiverse
is very easy, in my opinion, with everything you know,

(38:24):
there's a lot of different versions of the multiverse. It's
it's pretty much all stems of his life. So it's
like the alternate infinite versions of what could happen in
his life. Yeah, and he has to try and traverse
that to find his way back home.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
And it reminds me actually that when I read the book,
it reminded me a little bit of this movie from
the nineties called Mister Destiny. Do you know this movie?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
No, I do not.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
It's yeah, it's Jim Belushi and it's it's the movie
starts and he's like a kid and he's like playing
playing baseball. It's like a big moment and like the
pitch comes right and everyone's watching and he swings and
he misses, and it's like and everyone's like so disappointed,

(39:11):
and he's like this loser, right, And so goes through
his whole life and it's you know, and then he's
like in his forties or whatever, and then like something happens.
I feel like Michael Kaine might be in this movie,
and Michael Kine shows up as like, yeah, Michael Kaine
shows up as like this kind of like you know,
Genie kind of guy. And he's like and he's like,

(39:34):
you know, like give me, I don't I'm really summarizing
this badly because I probably haven't watched the movie in
thirty years, right, But he kind of says like, oh,
if you had you know, if you you know, what
would have happened, if you you know, if you hit
hit a home run instead of striking out in that
baseball game when you were a kid, and then in
a blink of an eye, he's like, you know, this

(39:55):
different person and he's like running, you know, running the company.
And then they'll like his boss is like the loser,
and you know, and it's like like a little bit
like Back to the Future too, you know, like the
whole Biff thing. Right, So it's that that premise, which
is like it always reminded me of of that movie.
And uh yeah, miss miss I remember mister Destiny being

(40:15):
pretty good, like in hindsight, I want to see what
is it's.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Five critic fifty six audience. Yeah, it has an averaged
three out of five on letterbox though that's not terrible.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, I don't I don't remember it. John Lovett and
Courtney cox Man, Okay, this is pretty good. And Linda
Linda Hamilton too.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Wow, that's a star studded cast. Those are some legends.
But yeah, but yeah, I always like those kind of movies,
the like the like what if movies and stuff. And
I even did I even did on a whole album
with that, like Our Our This Out of the Wind
Shifts album, which is a twenty thirteen release. Basically side
a each song is a story, and then side B

(40:59):
that the the next track. So there's fourteen tracks one
and seven, two and eight. Those those songs all go
together in pairs, and each song is kind of like
a what if you know or the alternate version or
the other side you know of it. So I've always
been attracted to that kind of those kind of stories.
I think that that's something everybody kind of thinks about,

(41:19):
you know for sure.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, it's very relatable, very easily relatable.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
We were kind of on the sci fi train. I
just want to talk about there's a new Alien It's
the first ever alien series coming out Alien Earth. I've
seen six episodes. When this episode airs, two episodes will
be out on Hulu or Disney Plus from wherever you
are listening to this from that depends. It's all gonna
eventually be Disney Plus anyway, so I'm sure it's on

(41:46):
Disney Plus wherever you're watching it. And I interviewed some
of the casts, so if you haven't checked that out,
I interviewed Alex Lother and Sidney Chandler checked out in
the Age is a fan of YouTube channel Super Super
Awesome People, and Alien is kind of a weird thing
I watched. I rewatched the whole franchise, some of them

(42:08):
for the first time, like three and four. I don't
think I ever watched before that. Yeah, I don't leaning
up to Romulus really weird and kind of don't matter
if I'm being honest. And obviously it's like the first
two really are the ones that matter, you know, the
Alien Versus Preader movies aren't even cannon and they're terrible. Anyway,
I watched those two because I haven't watched them since
I was a kid, so I was like, I'll just
try them. Yeah, laughably bad, No wonder They're like, yeah, this,

(42:32):
they don't matter. I thought Alien Romis was awesome. It
is very much obviously there's a lot of homage to
Alien and Aliens, and it obviously it kind of does
its own thing. But this show, I feel like it's
like the craziest amalgamation of like one two and I
guess if you want to throw in Romulus in there,
and what really Scott tried to do in the prequels

(42:55):
that I think he ultimately failed. I've gotten into too
some heated debates about whether those movies are good or not.
My take is that I think they are good sci
fi movies. I think they are bad alien movies. It's
kind of like ten Coldfield Lane, where it's like the
ending happens and I'm like, I love Cloverfield. That's like
one of my like one of the first theater experiences

(43:16):
I remember as like a teenager, being like walking out
of a theater and being like, what the fuck did
I just watch?

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Right?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Is that movie? But like the yeah, I love that
end of that movie. You can just kind of take
it off and it doesn't matter. It's kind of the
same thing with Prometheus, like if you just didn't include
I mean, there's some cool Whalen Utani stuff in the beginning,
which that's fine. I'm cool with that. I'm cool with
that world building and stuff. But as soon as it
gets to the actual like the Deacon and the proto
morphs and the whole circle of life with David, I'm like, really,

(43:45):
Scott just got lost his own sauce. In my opinion,
I just think it's like too convoluted and like so
many people trying to come at me and be like
sci fi is about asking questions. I'm like it is,
but if you attempt to sort of explain it and
you just half asked everything. I was like, that's not
good side fi in my opinion, But right, I digress.
I think this show does that far better. And it

(44:06):
introduced these new aliens into the series well really fucking
weird too. That's cool. There's there's a lot of Yeah, Zeno.
If you're coming for xenomorph stuff, there is a lot
of xenomore stuff, so you will have a field day
with that. There's I think there's almost a xenomorph sequence
in every episode.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
So yeah, I think I think at some point when
you talk about these big you know, these big franchises
that like inevitably they have to keep going, like the
the wheels of commerce, you know, the brand they keep turning,
and they have to write and like you know, like
Ridley Scott is like he's got to be fucking almost

(44:46):
ninety years old, like this guy is, and he's yeah,
and and obviously he's retired from this and it's moved
on and you know, and you have the next generation
of this. And to me, I think that that's good.
I think like taking taking people that are fans of this,
that love these movies. They have talked to their friends

(45:06):
about it their whole lives, about why they what they
like about a series, or whether it's based on whatever
it's based on, or what we like about the prequels,
or what we can use from that to, you know,
to expand it out and everything. I think that that
is really good. I think when you have the original
creator of a show and he's like kind of forgot,

(45:28):
he's probably forgotten things, and he's like sort of like
too immersed in specific things that like basically you're just
here too, You're too deep in the forest to see
the trees, you know, right, and like whatever that phrase
whatever for, you know. Yeah, And so I think when
you have these you know, really Scott's too old to

(45:49):
do this now whatever. He's probably signing off on it,
but like, you know, he's not like watching Alien Earth
and being like, no, we got to change that. I
don't think that that's happening. So I think and I
think that that ultimately is a good thing. You know,
people are really really keen about these these brands, you know,
and they care, and when you have good people that

(46:11):
get involved, I think you can have really good things happen.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah, And I think that was the problem with some
of the movies in the two thousands when it was
like the era of the million remakes I feel like, yeah,
everyone was so focused on IP and making money, which
like obviously, at the end of the day, all this
stuff is about making money, Like you can't take that
out of the equation. But in today's era, when you know,

(46:36):
like twenty five less people are going to the movies
and there's so much out there, like you have to
put out quality stuff or people aren't going to show up.
And that goes for streaming too. There's a million shows
out right now. There always is and there always will be.
So you have to put your best foot forward to
create something quality and something that's made with love or

(46:57):
else it's gonna get lost in translation eventually.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Question.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I mean, of course, there's like you know, like reality
TV will probably never die and stuff like that. But
people also like watching mindless stuff. I like watching mindless
stuff too.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
It's yeah good, Oh dude, you know how much you
know how much ninety Day Fiance I watch.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
I watch all of it. I love it.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
It's my, it's my, it's my, Like I'm I'm making dinner,
you know, put something on. If I miss parts, if
I miss an episode whatever. You know, they're going to
recap that shit one hundred fucking times, like you know,
it's it's like, that's my mindless show that I like
me and my girlfriend watching. We have a good time
watching it, and like, dude, I don't claim it's good,

(47:36):
you know, I don't. I listen to some terrible music too.
It's fine, you know, can you can you know, you
can do whatever you want to do, and that's fine.
Everything can exist in its own if it's its own place,
you know, and whatever. But when we're talking about like
legendary ips and stuff that like people care about, Yeah,

(47:56):
to me, that is like that's got to be good.
It's got to be on. There's a legacy that's that
has to be maintained.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
You've probably seen everyone talk about this movie at this
point weapons the news. Zach Kreiger.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yeah, I've seen, you know, I've heard, yeah, some rumblings
about it. Apparently it's like it's crazy. And I saw
the trailer, and a trailer I was like, this looks
like maybe typical, but maybe not. Maybe tonight cheap Tuesday.
I go to the movies every Tuesday, so it's it's
a I live in Las Vegas and Cinemak has five
dollars movies on Tuesdays, so I go just about every

(48:30):
I go just about every week.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
That's yeah, that's a great thing to capitalize on. Yes,
because moves are expensive.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
And it's actually cheaper. I have. I have another hack too,
So not only is it five dollars to go to
the movies on Tuesday, but I buy gift cards at Costco.
You can buy Cinema gift cards for a discount, so
you can buy a fifty dollars gift card for for
forty dollars. So really it's really like a four dollars.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Wow when you think about it, big brain mover right there,
that's right. That's good. Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
I got a big grain.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
That's that's that's really good stuff. What I like about
the MARKT I only watched the first trailer. I'm trying
to like actively avoid trailers, which I used to be
the exact opposite. I used to try and consume like
every trailer, even to a point where people send me
trailers and I just heard it. I don't even watch it, no, man,
So if you guys send each trailers, sorry.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yeah, you usually don't watch it.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Super movie, I'll watch it because that's.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
No for sure. And like, I mean, you're a guy
that you've already said, like you watch so much stuff,
like you already know what's gonna happen. So like I
guess if you see a little bit of a spoiler
and a trailer, it's like whatever. But No, there's definitely
been movies that I've been really excited for that I've
like not intentionally avoided the trailers, like like and it
comes down in the theater, like close my eyes, cover

(49:46):
my ears because I don't want to see it, Like
Ready Player one was one like that, and then I
ended up hitting the movie anyway. But yeah, it's it's
funny because this one time I remember it's still one
of my favorite movies. I think it came out in
two thousand five. It's called The History of Violence. Oh yes,
you've seen it's it's what a great movie. So I

(50:06):
went into that movie. No, no, I knew nothing about it.
It was like it was you know, it was in
the theaters. It had a good rating. Is back when
they was in the newspaper, you know. I think the
Toronto Star Toronto Star gave it for four or maybe
even five stars. I was like, Oh, I gotta see
this fucking movie. And it's with Vigo Mortenson and I'm
a huge Lord of the Rings fan, so like, I
love him. So I went to see the movie knowing

(50:27):
nothing about it, and I was like, incredible movie, one
of my like one of my favorite movies to this day.
And then later on, somehow somewhere, I think I was
watching another you know, DVD and they used to put
trailers at the beginning of DVDs too. People didn't remember that.
So the I was I the trailer, like an old

(50:48):
trailer came on for that for a DVD that I
was I was watching, and I went, Oh, my fucking god,
if I saw that trailer, it would have completely ruined
the movie, completely ruined the movie. And there's other people
that didn't like the movie, and I think that that's why.
I think they probably saw the trailer because it's the worst,

(51:09):
it's the worst movie trailer. It gives away everything, gives
away everything, and that movie, that movie is important and important,
and I don't even if anyone's listened to this and
they want to just like, hey, babe, let's watch a
movie tonight that we both haven't seen. Because a lot
of people haven't seen that movie. That's good. It's like
a thriller, but but like deeper, like it's really really good.

(51:31):
Just don't I don't, I don't. I won't tell you
anything about it. Just watch it, you know. And like
that's where I'm at, Like I don't really care what
a movie's about. I don't really care who's in a movie.
If it's good, I'll watch it doesn't matter, you know.
And that's and that's where I'm at in my life.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
I will say the trailer for Weapons, at least the
first one, it doesn't really it gives away pretty much
the opening scene. Okay, one thing I'll give away is
and it's more of a re assurance than giving anything
away because if you watch the exactly what happens, so
as usually movies build up to an inciting incident and
you have to wait like twenty minutes thirty minutes to

(52:10):
get to like it's like that's the whole first act
of the movie.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah, this movie.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
What you see in the trailer of seventeen kids disappearing
in the middle of the night, that's the opening scene,
straight up, the opening scene. There's no build up to it.
That is the opening. I don't even want to say
too much about it because I love the way it's
told and they didn't give away anything the marketing in
which I love, and I watch a ton of interviews
and he's like he told the team at WB to

(52:36):
be like, hey, focus on the question, not the answer,
and they did that, and I guess there was a
few things where he's like, ah, maybe take that out.
So I'm like, that's awesome. I love that.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
It really depends on the movie, you know. I think
that that if a movie has that just a really
cool premise that can that can be enough to sell it,
you know, whether the movie is is is good or bad?
The one the one I always the movie I always
think of, like that is the per like the Purge,
coolest concept. Yeah, it's a great concept. That concept alone,

(53:06):
like sold tickets for that movie, and like people watch
that movie because that is a badass, very cool concept.
The movie not that great, but you know, it's a
really and then now this whole franchise because just based
on one really really cool concept and that's that can
be all it takes. You don't need to know anything else,
you know. Yeah, and it's paranormal activity is a similar

(53:27):
one too.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Yeah, similar concept is And that's what's crazy is that
I feel like that's the concept of this movie, or
at least what people think. The concept of this movie
has sold it. It beat Freakier Friday in the box office.
It made double its production opening weekend because horror movies
are made for zero dollars, which is awesome, and that

(53:49):
is so cool to see an original horror movie b
number one in the box office beat a legacy sequel. Yeah,
it's crazy, and that's like, to me, that's such a
it's such a fucking win. Like, that's so fucking cool.
And I think this is my favorite movie of the year.
I've watched like thirty five movies this year. It's not
gonna work for everyone, and that's like, I think that's

(54:10):
the thing with horror or any movies in general. Sometimes
it's not gonna work for you. But it's told in
the way that I really enjoyed, even me trying to
look at it, Like I had that conversation about being
really critical on stuff with my friend who went to
the movie with me, driving to the theater, and I
like there was certain things where I'm like, that seems
a little weird and then they would answer it and

(54:31):
I'm like, like, the script feels so tight, nice, And
there's this crazy story because so many people are kind
of comparing Zach Kreiger to like Jordan Peele because they
both kind of started in sketch comedy. He was from
the Whitest Kids, you know, obviously Peele's Key and Peel,
and now they've become kind of this like horror event filmmakers, writer, directors,
and Jordan Peele has his production company has a deal

(54:54):
with Universal. This movie he wrote right after he did Barbarian,
which was the same our band was the same thing.
People loved it or hated it, which is fine, or
they loved half of it hated the second half, which
I totally understand. It's a super weird movie and it
takes a very hard left turn at the halfway point,
so I totally get that. So he wrote this and
then there was a bidding war for the script. Jordan

(55:16):
Peele wanted this movie so bad that when you b
ended up getting it and not Universal, not Jordan Peele
being producing, he fired his management company, his management team
after this.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Wow, yeah, well, hey, then there's a reason that this
movie is good. There's a reason that people are watching
this movie and loving it. And like, yeah, you know,
when you have those movies, you know, like those big
iconic horror movies that take the world by storm, it's
a special moment, like I think of you know, Blair
Witch Project, you know, back in the day. More recently,
like maybe to a lesser extent, this is kind of junkie,

(55:50):
but like Terrifier three, like that was like crazy, Like
that came out of nowhere, Like I'd seen the Terrifier movies.
My girlfriend's like a massive, massive horror fan, so she
we watched all those movies and and and so like
that came out and like, I forget what it did
the opening weekend, but it did, like I think it
might have done ten times its budget opening weekend. That

(56:10):
movie right a lot, you know, and then all of
a sudden, like they're merchandising, like it was all sold out.
Like you know, when you have these kind of moments
when in like you know, in counterculture movie and music
too for that matter. You know, when you have like
an unexpected hit or you know, big big record on
the charts. I think that that stuff is always feels good,
you know, and it's like, is a lot better than

(56:32):
than just like oh, here we go another alien remake
and oh yeah, look it's it's you know, it's underperforming, okay,
or or or or another movie that's like oh Star Wars, Well,
it doesn't matter how bad it is, it's going to
be number one of the box office. Like there's you know,
there's that stuff. Isn't that isn't that compelling? You know?
And and it's in it. It's kind of annoying, honestly,

(56:53):
But when you have these like these, when you have
these like underdog stories, that's that's just the best, especially
when the and the films are actually good.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Yeah, and this one, I thought it was gonna be
a similar kind of conversation online as to Barbarian, where
some people are like, oh yeah, I hated it. Oh
I loved it. I hated it. But most of the
stuff I've seen is like pretty positive. Obviously there's some
people who don't like it, Like a movie wouldn't exist
if people liked and didn't like it. Nothing can be
one hundred percent one way or the other way. It's

(57:22):
it's it's almost physically impossible. But I've been shocked to
see how many people are so high on it as
high as I was on it. Yeah, that's always just
like I don't know, Like I start this podcast like
it's the most positive pop culture podcast. It's like I
feel like pop culture has become a thing, which is

(57:42):
like weird because I started a podcast talking about this
stuff at nauseum and I post about it online and
all this stuff. But I feel like, rather than I
talk about it because I love it and that's why
I like talking about it, I feel like people have
like made it to this thing where people have to
turn it into some rating or something, and that's what
I don't like about it. I don't like obviously, I

(58:04):
want people have their opinions about I love talking to
people with their opinions, and I don't even care if
your opinions are different from me. I love hearing different
perspectives and being like, why did you feel that way?
I love dissecting that perspective of things. It's just I've
seen so many people come at it in such a
way like I saw. There's actually have been this like
really great discourse on the dude Dave Portnoy from Barsool

(58:25):
Sports or whatever. He talks about sinners and his like
review was like it was overhyped and or whatever, and
everyone's like, that's not a review, that's you talking about
how other people reviewed it. And I'm like, that's so
true though, like so many people cling on to things
that like other people are feeling about it, But it's like,
how did you feel about it? Right, And I guess
that it does speak to it a little bit, being

(58:46):
like obviously I thought it sucked because I'm saying people
overhyped it or whatever. I just hate the term overhyped, right,
Like just say you don't like it and that's fine,
like and just move on. I don't know, it's just
like this weird thing I've been so true.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
That is, Yeah, that is so super true. But I mean, yeah,
that is always a conversation though, Like people will say
things that are overrated or underrated. You know, that's not
a new thing, really, right, I mean it just amplified
and yeah, yeah it is. Everything's amplified. But like, yeah,
I mean I really liked Sinners. It was a bit

(59:22):
of a weird, a bit of a weird slow burn
at times, like I sure, and for a while I
was like what's happening, you know, like what is going
on and it had you know that that's a movie
that I really why I did see the trailer a
lot of times. Yeah, I really wonder what that movie
would feel like if I didn't see the trailer all

(59:43):
of a suddenly they're vampires. Like what I think I
would I think I would like it less actually in
that case, which is it? Which is a kind of
an interesting one because I just that just contradicts everything
I've said for the last twenty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
But it can be both. I think I think it
can be both for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Because let me ask you a question though, because I'm sure,
like I know, I don't know. I'm sure like a
lot of people watching this or watch all two hundred
and forty of your episodes, but probably a couple of
them will come over for my channel, and I think
some of the people would love to know you know you,
as a person that watches so much TV and movies,
do you have like a top three like the recent

(01:00:22):
TV shows or a couple of movies that people should
should watch that And again, let's go for maybe a
little more on the underrated side, because like obviously everyone
knows like Severance and stuff like that, but maybe a
couple things that people might have missed. Yes, I'm co hosting,
I can act this, you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Can ask this. You're totally right. Severnce is my favorite
show of the year. But yeah, obviously, like everyone knows
about Severance. It's like, did you also watch I loved
it and I know people hate it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Yeah, but here's the thing that like makes me feel
so confident in my opinions. Most of the time I
saw that show. I saw the whole thing before it
even came out, So it's like I was holding on
to that ending without giving Like there was friends that
were like, you you knew that's how it ended. You
didn't say anything. I was like, yeah, I'm not gonna
ruin it for you, Like what's wrong with you? Like
I would never do that. But they're like, I can't
believe you held on to that information and like did

(01:01:09):
not spoil it. But I found other people who watched
it and I talked about with them like that's what
I you know, like that's the way out is to
do that. But that's what I really liked. It's hard
because like I think that my favorite shows of the
year are like the biggest, like The Pit is one
of my favorite shows. Obviously, everyone talked about the bit.
There is a show on It's not small, but the

(01:01:30):
show Paradise on Hulu. It stars Sterling K. Brown. There's
there's an insane like twist in episode one. So if
you somehow haven't watched it or haven't heard me talk
about it, watch it and if that twist works for you,
then keep watching it. If it doesn't, then I don't
think it's the show for you. Paradise, Yeah, and if

(01:01:51):
you watch the trailer for that one and then watch
the show, it'll blow your mind. Because I think I
watched it after because a friend I saw a friend
posting about it. I was like, Oh, I'm gonna check
this out. And it's the writer as this is us.
It's not like this is us, so don't worry about that.
The show is debilitating and depressing. It's very different. It
does have emotional moments, but it's not the same. And
so that's why I watched it. And then I saw

(01:02:11):
a trailer I think it was like on an ad
for a Hulu thing or something, and I was like, Oh, wow,
that's not what the show it is at all. Good
for them, It's like good for them, So I think
that's one that I think more people should watch. This
is on Apple TV plus Your Friends and Neighbors, which
has John Hamm and the basic premise is he's this massive,

(01:02:31):
like I think, like a stockbroker something like that, like
hedge fund guy.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
And then he's like been divorced and his wife is
like with like one of his really close friends, and
his life starts kind of falling apart and he ends
up starting to steal from all of his neighbors in
his area to keep his like very high end lifestyle going.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Oh, that show is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
It is so so good, and I haven't seen a
ton of people talk about that one, so that that's
really good.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
For movies, there's this movie called The Life of Chuck.
It's based on a Steamen King short story. It was
the screenplay and was directed by Mike Flanagan.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Who writes down by the Way, go on, Yes Awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
He is most known for some of the best Netflix
series like Hanta and Hillhouse, Midnight Mass, The Fall of
Hoouse Usher. He's that guy, and he directed this movie.
And it's so weird to kind of describe some movie
because obviously all those are kind of like horror, thriller,
mystery kind of things. This movie is not that. It's
really like a beautiful story that's told in reverse the

(01:03:36):
three act structure, and it's told from act three to
act one, and it's kind of told out of time
in a lot of ways, and it's really just about
life and about your worth is a human being. There's
this big thing in it and it's from like a
poem or a book and I can't remember what it's
what it's from they say it in the movie, but

(01:03:57):
it's They teach it in the in the class and
one of the students asked about it, and the teacher
explains in this beautiful way, and the saying is I
contain multitudes. And it's like basically saying, like everyone in life,
no matter what you do in your life, that is
enough to have an amazing life. And it's it's just
a like total expiration of how life is a beautiful

(01:04:20):
thing that should be cherished and it has meaning because
it ends. I cannot rely. That's one of my favorite
movies of the year, and like I feel like not
that many people have seen it and not that many
people have talked about it, that that's probably my that's
like I know, I said I hate like underrated or height,
but like that's like my that's like my underdog movie
of the year is that movie? That would be the
one I would I would recommend to people who haven't

(01:04:43):
even heard of it maybe or seen it. But that
movie is so good. I was bawling. It's just so good.
I don't know, like I love like I know you
said you thought Stick was fine, Like I liked it
because it feels very ted Lasso adjacent, even though it's
not from the people who made ted Lasso, right, but
I love that. It's like I don't give a fuck
about golf or anything like that, and the same at last,

(01:05:04):
so I didn't give a fuck about football, soccer, whatever
I want to call it. It's just for sure, how
they how they display humanity, and you know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
It doesn't matter. Again, it doesn't matter what anything's about.
It doesn't if it shouldn't, if it's good, it doesn't matter. Right,
That's that's the that's the bottom line.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
And I love that, especially TV shows now are exploring
because you know, like obviously there's a you know, like
a nine year age gap difference like our parents, like
mental health was not a thing at all. It was
like shunned, you know. And the way that has changed
the conversation of that stuff has changed, I think is
obviously very important. The way it's being the way it's

(01:05:48):
being displayed in media, I think is so refreshing to
be like, if there is something quote unquote wrong with you,
you're not broken. We all go through this stuff and
we all handle it different ways. We all get through
it different ways, and I just love that the things
that we consume are portraying it that way. So it's like,
that's why I like things like stick, things like ted Lasso,

(01:06:09):
things like shrinking, Like I feel myself like culminating or
like drawn to those things just to see like it
helps you like understand your brain a little better. Totally
mean it being like, oh I get that, I felt that.
Oh wow, Like I'm not alone in feeling that way.
It's nice, Like obviously it's like in the counterculture of

(01:06:29):
alternative music, how many songs and stuff have been written
about that stuff, you know, or or even going to shows.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
It's it's a big thing of we wanted a place
where we felt like we belong and we found it
in that but I feel like that on top of
us actually talking about the things that we feel, I
feel like are so important and I'm so happy it's
it's being explored that way rather than you know, and
I'm sure all of us were have been fallen victim of,

(01:06:57):
you know, keeping things in too long and letting it
explode in some shape or fashion that is detrimental to
yourself or the people you love. So it's I don't know,
it's just it's nice to see that being talked about more.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
I guess I'm end of that. Brother.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Yes, But Shane, this did not go any way I
thought it would.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
But I think that's what did you think no going
to happen?

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
I don't know. I think that's the beauty of these
things is you don't really know how things are going
to go, you know. It's it's the beauty of this
podcast is that I get to talk this stuff with
people I've like listened to their music for for a
lot of years, and it's cool to connect with people
in a different way than you think you might. You know,
but this was thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
I mean, it's fun for me to to talk about
some different things too, Like I don't usually dive into
my you know the history of my you know own
like you know, consumption of TV and movies and and
you know, my whole background and everything on that. So
it's probably people that listen to this that have only
heard me in other interviews talk about you know, music,

(01:08:01):
I guess for the most part, this is be a
lot different too cool.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
I'm so happy, uh we did this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Yeah, man, thank you, thank you for having me and
the Yeah, congrats on on such a long jevity of
a great podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Thank you. So before we out here, let the people
know where they can find silver scene where you guys
have coming up?

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Yeah, yeah, I know, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
So we we have this year's our twenty fifth anniversary.
Actually we've been a band for twenty five years, which
pretty wild. We've done a bunch of touring already celebrating that.
But we've got the final tour of the twenty fifth
anniversary coming up. Is this in the US this November December,
So we're gonna be playing some major markets you know,
including like you know, New York and Riverside, California, and

(01:08:43):
Las Vegas, et cetera, and Western Canada as well, which
is exciting. So yeah, people check that out Silverstein Music
dot com for all that stuff, and you can find
me on social media. It's just at Shane Tole on
pretty much everything. And we got a new record actually
coming out September twelve. I believe it is called Pink Moon,

(01:09:09):
and yeah, it's our best record yet, so it's exciting
times for for us.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Oh yeah, I'll make sure and link everything down below
so you can go check out so we're seeing support
what they have coming up. And if you we're supposed
to podcasts, just going mel counters dot com or links
there in a one easy place. And if you want
to follow me in my personal accounts, it's just at
Shawn x spot on Instagram and Twitter. Until next time,
see you, er nerds