Superman w/ Steve Tinnon of Within The Ruins

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have a guest from the podcasting your music community and
we talk about the latest and greatest in entertainment. I'm
member Sean Mattin. Today we're talking about James Guns Superman.
My coach this week is Steve within the Ruins. Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
How's it going, brother, Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Very stoked I have you here, very stoked to talk
Superman and kind of this new beginning of this new
DC that is very much kind of overtaking the world
right now. It's an exciting time.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
It's very excited, Like where where to even start? You know,
there's like there's so much to talk about. Yeah, this
is a really exciting time.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
I kind of just got chills when you said it,
Like there's just this is just such a nice fresh
start for DC. But like the way that like not
to dive in head first, but maybe this movie is
such a breadth of fresh air.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Harbustin. That's that's a very important thing that we're definitely
gonna dissect and in just a second. And of course,
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Speaker 1 (06:32):
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ride or Die. Of course, if you want more more
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mail carners pull the Spotify playlist. You can find the
direct link in the show notes below. Now, before we
get into the new rendition of Superman, I want to
know what got you into Superman as a character, even
kind of comic book type characters in general, Like what

(06:55):
what what is your pop culture origin story? When it
comes to that stuff.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
When I was a kid, I'm a I'm a really
big Batman fan. That's my My main thing is Batman.
So I think and like my not even just favorite
superhero movie, but like favorite movie of all of all,
Like my number one is The Batman eighty nine with
Michael Keaton and Jack Nielson. That's my that is my movie.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I've got vhs, I've got a steel book. Watch it
all the time.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
And I think that just when you're a kid, you
like something like, yeah, look at it. Mine's way over
in another room of those I grab it. But it's
it's a nice like it's got faded on the corners
and stuff, so he can tell it's old, like a
remake or anything. It's it's an old one. So seeing
seeing a movie like that though when you're a kid
is a little jarring. It's because it's just it's real dark,
and you don't you don't appreciate every little detail. But

(07:38):
seeing some like certain scenes like that Jack Nicholson would
do sticks with you. And I think that's what happened
to me. And and all of a sudden, next thing,
you know, like I'm I'm seeing all all the characters
that get connected. And one of the first ones that
you're gonna come across is Superman. So he's connected. He's
right there, arguably the biggest superhero of all so you're
gonna come across him.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
So and I think you can't really help.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
But also in that time, like you're growing up watching
these things on TV, you're gonna come across Christopher Reeves Superman.
So that's gonna be on. And of course I saw that,
and you know, I enjoyed I enjoyed it, but I
just I just gravitated towards Batman. But then once you
really dive in and grow with it, then all the
characters kind of just fall in place. But I think
that's kind of where it really started, and Superman was

(08:22):
an easy go to from there.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, James guns Superman. So at this point we're recording it.
It's been out for almost a week. I did very
well in the box office. It's the highest opening weekend
for a sold Superman film all time. I believe it
was James Gun's highest opening of all time too. I
think it is, yeah, honestly very impressive because every supermovie
he's done has done very well. Besides the suicide Squad,

(08:45):
but that one it was in the mix and COVID covid, Yeah,
so streaming, and it got released same day on HBO Max,
which it did very well on HBO Max. So it's
that one you kind of can't count because there's a
lot of asterisks with that one. Yeah, a different time,
I think it would have been a far different story.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah. Bus there was the previous suicide Squad not not
that far before it, so people are probably like, what
is this, why do I need to like?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
No, it was very different and much better.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yesterday the Tuesday numbers came in and it's the highest
Tuesday of twenty twenty five. I think it did seventeen
million domestically, which so the word of mouth is helping. Obviously,
the word of mouth has been insanely positive. Obviously there's
been some criticism, which is fine. Criticism does not mean
it's not positive. I think I can forget that that.
It's still subjective. Want everything subjective. It's art, of course,

(09:33):
so everything is. But I wanted to know your general
thoughts on the film, kind of maybe even what your
expectations were going in, whether it's from previous incarnations of
the character or previous works from James Gunn, what was
your outlook looking in and then kind of what was
your experience after you left the theater?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Oof, so many, so many, so many questions in a
good way, because I have thoughts on every one of them.
I kind of just want to stay off by, like
I I say, give James Gunn the Keys to the Kingdom,
that that's where I'm going to start. The man knows
what he's doing, and he has a he has a
solid track record with superhero films, and again, it's it's

(10:12):
tough because superhero fatigue is a is a thing and
everyone's kind of like we've just had Superman, was DC
doing all the stuff and it's like.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, but they DC fumbled the ball real bad, you know.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
And so it's as much as like you could say
that they're way behind Marvel. Marvel's had their issues too
the past, you know, handful of years. So I was
actually really looking forward to this because of all that,
and after seeing it is just such a breadth of
fresh air from the way that they did the character,
through the colors, through the music, which we need to

(10:45):
get to because there's little bits of John Williams just
hit so nice. Oh, Man visually that I really liked.
I liked the writing. It was kind of kind of campy, corny,
but like it's what you it's kind of what's missing
a little bit right now. And I I will say
that the one thing that I felt like DC and

(11:06):
Warner Brothers were doing right was I actually really liked
Henry Cavill as Superman. I thought he was an amazing cast,
an amazing cast for that and I really some people
were and I could see this. I get it because
Superman is a very how do you do? I want
to say this, He's a pretty well known for being
a little bit more hopeful and upbeat, and you get

(11:26):
this Henry Cavill like he's very stoic and like old
and but I kind of liked it because it was
it was a different take I liked. I liked Man
of Steel. Batman vs. Superman was okay, didn't hate. I
didn't hate it because I liked the idea. We haven't
had that before. Just execution just was whatever. But I
liked how it's I liked how strong and brooding he was.

(11:49):
And not to drag my band into it too much,
but on our latest record Phenomena too, I One of
our singles was called The Last Son. It was about
it's about comic book characters, and I wrote one for Superman,
and it's because I was actually really attracted to I
kind of tried to humanize most of those characters, but
the Superman one was really interesting because it's you know,
he's alone on a planet that's not his, and you know,

(12:10):
some people respect him, some people fear him, some people
don't want him there, others like they need him, like
he's a savior type character. And I did. I've liked
that colder aspect from from.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
The Snyder verse Superman. I actually enjoyed that.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
But now that I've gotten that, it's out of my
system and I'm very welcoming to this new, this new, brighter,
more upbeat, flawed, hopeful Superman. I just I really couldn't
have been more excited. I mean, again, there's a lot
to touch on here, but those were my initial I was.
I was excited for it. When I left the theater,
I was just like, that's how you Superman. That's that's

(12:46):
how you Superman. And I loved it, so we could well,
we could pick a direction to start going into. But
those are my initial thoughts going in and coming out.
I was ready.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's similar to me as well.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
I was.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I grew up a Batman kid too, Batman bed sheets
like he was. He still is my favorite superhero, and
I was always kind of not attracted to Superman, Like
I didn't watch Smallville when I was younger. I Henry
Cavill was kind of my first Superman, and I enjoyed
Man of Steel. There was just certain parts of it
I always didn't fully like, and it wasn't anything to

(13:19):
do with the character. It's just the whole third act
in Metropolis getting like pretty much obliterated so much to
the point that it radicalizes aes Batman and Batman was
Superman to take out Superman because he lets me people
die insane and ridiculous and way too over the top
for me. And then you know, obviously the Tornado scene
with Podken is that scene is terrible. The scene is

(13:42):
just like, yeah, not a good scene. But overall I
liked the movie a lot, and then I kind of
started diving into the like comics, lore and everything, and
then really learning about the character. How it's obviously like
a very big allegory for an immigrant story was created
by two people who were the first generation Americans. Their
parents were immigrants. And then I saw My Adventures of Superman,

(14:05):
which is an animated show on Adult Swim, And if
you haven't, I would say it's one or two ways.
Obviously we're gonna spoil the fuck out of this movie, so.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
If you're watching this that this is not for you
if you haven't seen the movie.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
So if you're looking for more Superman content, I would say, oh,
I got My Adventures of Superman. There's two seasons out now,
and I think a third season is coming this year.
Jack Quaid actually voices Clark Kent really really good, and
that made me really kind of super fall in love
with the character because it's a great like introductory to
Superman as a whole, and they do some different things

(14:38):
kind of like what this movie does, where it kind
of takes an amalgamation of like the lore of Superman
as a whole, kind of blends them all together. This
was my most anticipated movie of the year, mostly because
of James Gunn. I think James gun is easily the
best comic book like adaptive creator there is ever. Just
everything he's done has been great, Like there's nothing great

(15:01):
and you can't say that about every single person. I
guess the Russo's maybe yea there too. But James Gunn
also has so much more to He's a writer and director.
The Russles were just directors, and he's done both sides
of the coin. At this point, you know he's he's
definitely proven his metal. So I had very high excitations,
and then every trailer that came out, I just felt

(15:21):
like they got better as they came I was like, Wow,
I was already stoked about this movie. Now I'm even
more stroked about this movie. And I just think it
delivered on all cylinders. I do have a few, like
they're pretty minuscule criticisms that that well, we'll probably get into.
But I like to do my homework and I just
like listening to interviews anyway, So I was listening to

(15:41):
a ton of interviews around this too. Obviously, we knew
that James Gunna got fired from Marvel, then got rehired
for Marvel in between. In the interim, he made the
Suicide Squad, came back, and then did Gardens Fine three.
Somewhere in the middle of that, he ended up getting
hired as the co head of DC Studios But what

(16:02):
I didn't know is that after he got fired and
he because originally DC offered him Superman and he's like, no,
I'm not doing that. And then they're like, okay, what
about the Suicide Squad And he goes, oh, that's actually interesting.
Let me here's an idea. And then I got approved
and then like literally like that day or the day
after he got hired back at Marvel, and when he

(16:23):
talked to Kevin Faigi, he was like, Hey, I'm gonna
come back and do this. But before I come back
and finish the Garden shows, I have to do this.
And he's like, are you doing Superman for DC? And
he's like, no, no, I'm doing the Suicide Squad. But
it's crazy that like it's still it turns its almost
like he was meant to do Superman, you know, and
I thought he wasn't too.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, it's it's hard to feel it's hard to feel
like that wasn't the case. It's hard to feel like
he wasn't meant to do it because yeah, but it's
like you said, he wears a lot of hats and
he's he's proven himself very capable and and and.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Super Superman is one of those ones.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
It's like the next Batman is going to probably the
next is the next big thing that people are gonna
be like, don't fuck this up. Don't don't you dare
fuck this up because this this is your starting point.
You're off to a great start with Superman, but if
you fuck up Batman, you're gonna lose people. So it's
starting off, starting off. He started off at the top,
I mean, and that was bald.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
That's ballsy, that's really ballsy.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
And he because he could he could have started soft.
He could have kept some suicide squad stuffed done, he
could have just focused on Peacemaker.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
He could you know, any number of things. But he
came out swinging and he hit a home run.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I saw some people call this movie safe, and it
is kind of give what they mean. At the same time,
there's pocket Universes and yeah, that's not I think the
ballsiest part about this movie is something that like, I mean,
obviously you can only really equate the two universes as
like Marvel and DC. But I guess even if you

(17:54):
think of like the Boys and stuff like that, what
this movie did, which I don't think anyone has done before,
is thrust you into this world that's already fill full
with so many heroes. It feels like I lived in
the world already and we are just like thrown into
the chaos. I love the opening like pretty much like
Star Wars s titles explaining things, you know, because we

(18:17):
don't need the Superman origin story again, we don't need Yeah,
it's like Spider Man. We didn't need to see Tom
Holling get bit by a Spider. Same thing with the
Robertson or Robert Pattins a Batman. We didn't need to
see his parents eye again. We just don't need We
don't need it anymore.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
That was that was one of my big peeves with
Batman or a Scupman, like why did you throw that in?
I don't Yeah, I don't need that. We saw beads
dropping on the ground and we heard a gun, Like,
come on, I have eighty nine for that. I have
eighty nine for that, You know, I don't know. Everyone
knows these stories, and that's why I thought it was
great that James Gunn also knows that. Like people have
seen along with superhero fatigue line, people are familiar with

(18:54):
these stories now by this point, they're familiar with how
the movies work, and so he's trusting his audience to
be like, you guys know know all this, or like,
let's I'm not trying to give you Superman at his
at his peak. I'm not trying. You don't need that
right now. You probably don't deserve that right now. But
here's what you're gonna get, and I trust you with
the rest. And And I was having a conversation with

(19:14):
the coworker the other day. He said one of his
complaints was that he's like Superman wasn't powerful and enough.
I'm like, you need to look at this with different glasses.
He's not supposed to be. This is a world that's
barely been lived in. He's only been Superman for supposed
to be a couple of years, I think, right like he's, yeah,
he's just starting. If if we were given this overpowered Superman,

(19:35):
where do you go from there?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Where do you go?

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Where?

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Where's the character arc? Where's the story?

Speaker 7 (19:38):
Like?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
You can't have that same character for four more movies
and do anything with that. It's just different battles, different
cgi monsters. What are's supposed to like give him? It
was like in some ways playing it safe, but like
you said, but some ways not, I don't. I don't
think that we would have. I don't even know if
we'd be having this conversation if we were given another
Henry Cavill style Superman right now.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, it's not needed. I know James said he wanted
to focus on the man, not the super We've gotten
many conditions of the super when we needed to focus
on the man, and I think he nailed it with
that for sure. And you're totally right, like, we where
do you if you start at the top, you can't.
There's no room to progress, there's no way to go.
And a lot of people were like, oh, I was
expecting this movie to be more epic, and I'm like,

(20:20):
I can understand your expectations with that for sure, But again,
if you start with epic, where do you go from there?

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Where do you go? Because then you dumb him down. Now,
I will say this, I think this is going to work.
I think this is going to work. If you look
at Tom Holland's Spider Man, bringing him back down to
street level, I think is actually going to be really
cool for all the upcoming stuff because it's like we've
already done the outer space and everything, like, let's bring
him back to the friendly neighborhood, right.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I think starting here with Superman and building.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Him, watching him go through all these trials and tribulations
type thing, building literally building this character. I think that
that's the longevity, that's where this should go, and thankfully
is going. So I mean, yeah, he could go smash
new planets right now if we you know, But but
again then what then what?

Speaker 2 (21:03):
So?

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, I'm with you totally, and I love that as
kind of kind of his weakness in this movie was
kind of public perception, you know what I mean, it wasn't. Yeah,
he did get defeated by the hammer Braver, which spoiler
alert is a clone of him. Yeah, that makes sense
if going to do with him, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
If anything's going to beat him, it's him, so come on.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
So that makes perfect sense. But to just show and
dive into his humanity and be like I was, you know,
his whole mission in life is I he felt like
he was sent there for a purpose to protect these
people and for that to get taken away from him
for a for a minute, and that's like his greatest downfall,
that's like his all hope, his lost moment is being
like what I thought I was senter her for as

(21:49):
a lie, but then going to his parents and then
being like, it doesn't matter what you thought your parents
wanted for you. It's like who you are as a person.
And I love that flip. I love the op that
was really in Man of Steel. You know, like his
his Krypton parents are the ones that inspire him to
say the Earth, but like, wouldn't make more sense that
the parents that raised him on Earth would be the

(22:10):
inspiration for him to, you know, because he doesn't he
doesn't really know his you know, his parents, Like, so
you don't I like that because they do suck you
in a little bit because you are worried, like, oh, no,
is it is this gonna be a twist on his origin? Maybe,
like you kind of get sucked into it a little
bit of like, oh did they really sit in there
for that?

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Is that how they're going to play this?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
And then it just has like quit conversation with his
dad is like no, it's about It's about you.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Like yeah, very very good stuff. One of my critiques
of this movie is that so I loved how he
differentiated Clark from Superman. I love that he's a big guy.
He's like six four six, a built guy, but he
looks like, you know, blumbering and goofy and awkward as

(22:57):
he is Clark, and I just wanted more of Clark.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I wanted more part to them, because we are exploring
the Man, right we're you know, we get plenty of Supermanero,
we get a ton of it, and I loved it.
I'm not complaining there at all, but I do wish
there was a little bit more Clark because I wanted
to see because one thing that I really like. The
first time we see the Daily Planet, I was like,
this looks beautiful. Oh I loved I just loved how
they presented at the Globe and everything looked like modern

(23:24):
but nostalgic at the same time. I was like, this
is this is what I'm looking for right here. And
so once we started getting that, I wanted to see
more of the bumbling Clark Kent with his papers all
over the place and sitting at a desk stressing out.
And I wanted just a little bit more of that
because I like the differentiation of that he that he
does of the two. But yeah, I again, minimal, minimal critique.

(23:44):
I just a little more Clark could be nice.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, saying you wanted more of something is yeah, it's like, okay,
oh the most you can get.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's like even like the way he shifted his voice.
You know, his voice kind of high pitched outgoing as Clark,
but as soon as he's Superman, it's just like lower
register super when he brings it for serious, but you
can tell the shift, and I love that.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
I feel like the definitive part of that was when
he sits for his interview with Lois and he goes
miss Lane and.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
I was like, even in the trailer when I show that,
I was like, let's go.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
He's doing it. He's doing the thing. Okay. Do you
have a quick question though, do you think yes, I
think there's probably a couple of ways they could have
done it, or of looking at this, maybe do you
think the glasses are actual hypno glasses or you think
that he threw in the green Lantern line about that
to just be like, hey, I'm aware of what some
stories say that the glasses are, but they're really just glasses.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
If Deems then confirmed they are hypnoglasses, he did confirm. Okay,
it seems like it seems like they are, and he
does mention that when he's having that conversation with Lois
too about He's like, oh, the glasses, no one will notice.
And that's like that goes into one of my other
critiques is that when Superman gets arrested, no one brings
up that he's that Clark is gone from the Daily Planet.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
No one true.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, even not.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Even a line of Lois being like, oh, yeah, Clark's
sick or something like, you know, some brief cover brief cover,
And I was like, that's kind of weird that they
bring that up. Again. It's a minor critique, but it
was one I thought of after thinking about the show
or thinking about the movie, because I was just like
obsessing over over the movie. But the dynamic between Clark
and Lewis, I thought was so great. The chemistry between

(25:21):
chemistry was really good. Rachel Brosihan off the charts, and
I like how they portrayed them as like a real couple,
you know, apartment China, rainbows. You know, there's there, there's bickering,
there's different viewpoints, but at the end of the day,
they know that they're kind of well, as we find
out at the end, their love for each other is

(25:41):
what brings them together, and through their differences they find
the beauty in that, and like that's I mean, that's
the beauty of like being a person anyway. It's like
that that, you know, our differences between each other should
be the things that make us interesting, the thing that
makes us individuals, and the fact that, like, you know,
that's kind of the end of the day how they
decide to like be together because you know, there are

(26:03):
three months in the relationship. They kind of are unsure
of where it's going. It's at the point where it
could get really serious or it could just kind of
fall apart. And I liked that they showcase like, you know,
a real couple. You know, it's not everything is perfect.
You're gonna disagree on things, You're gonna bicker on stuff.
It's just life. And I and I feel like it's

(26:24):
becoming more prevalent now in media, but especially in kind
of the comic book medium. It was cool to see
front and center, you know, like the two stars of
this movie and they portrayed like a real couple. Yeah,
that was great. I love it so much.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, they give you like right off the bat, it's like, oh,
like there when he gets to the apartment, he's cooking
the he's cooking the breakfast for dinner. Nice nice touch.
By the way, again, not a not a huge deal,
but it's like there, I forget which storyline it is,
but like Superman does, Clark does like eating breakfast for dinner.
It's the that chemistry right off the bat, and like

(27:01):
he's cooking for her, but then like he lifts her
up and they're kissing on the counter, and then and
then within the same the whole same scene, it's she
gets into I knew this wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Work type thought process, and I'm like, because.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
It is, because it is fresh, it's tough, and there
it's it's it's they're giving you a real relationship. It's
not like like you said, sunshine and rainbows and it
was the chemistry just worked really well. And I think
that's a It may not seem like such a big
deal because a lot of people tend to get focused
on how powerful is he, who's who's the who's the
big bad, what kind of how are the fight scenes

(27:33):
going to be, what have you? But something is small,
though necessary, is getting that relationship right. It's getting that
the the Clark Lewis has to be cohesive and that chemistry.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Needs to be there. It's it's it's important because you.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
You can't just he can't just be fighting all the time.
He has to be a regular person, so that has
to be there, and it totally.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Was Moving on to the big bad of of this movie,
the great Nicholas hole, and a big thing in the
superhero genre couldn't be the villain. The biggest kind of
problem that can be in some of these movies is
the villain. And I think this is probably James Gunn's
best villain he's done yet. The thing I liked about

(28:16):
it the most is for one biggest hater ever, which
is what Lex Luthor should be.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
For two, he showed how intelligent he was, but also
we're getting reckless he was at the same time, which
I love. And three it was so great to see
things that you know are going to pay off later,
like the Raptor suits are going to be close to
his suit that he's eventually gonna.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Build, you know, just stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
We were like, this is so awesome that this is
their first encounter and it's the first encounter of many
and you can feel that and that's so exciting to feel.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
That we don't just get all that stuff off the
bat like they're building. They're they're doing all the building,
and it's like, yes, build, I wanted the teasers are
what makes us fun, and you're not just giving me
the suit right off the bat like and then they
just fight and you go and that's it. Like no,
like this is such a big rivalry that there's so
much you can do with it. And they're laying the
groundwork for who who Lex really is? Like you said,

(29:11):
they're show they showed how smart he was. Again, let
me back up real quick.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
I thought he did a great job playing Lex.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yes, the Jesse.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Eisenberg just did not do it for me at all.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
I like him in a couple other things he's but
Lex Luthor was just not for him. Sorry, sorry, Jesse,
if you're watching, I still like you, man, but Lex
was not meant for you. I thought this was played
very well, like you said, I like how they really
showed how smart he was. Reckless of course he's you know,
that's kind of what ties into being a villain sometimes.

(29:43):
And and I like the money aspect, like the dude
is rich. The dude is real rich, like so rich,
he's so rich. So like they kind of they're like
giving you all this, but not not all at once.
It's it's like little by little and they don't again,
they're not taking you to the top. We're not seeing
peak Lex Luthor. We're seeing this. We're laying the groundwork here.

(30:05):
And it's Man, he did a really good job. I
really liked it. It's that was kind. He did such
a good job that it was surprising to me, like
finding finding out that he was going to audition for Superman.
So I'm like, oh, man, he did such a good
job with Lex, Like I can't get close to seeing that.
You know, I liked it a lot.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
It was really good.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
That's I feel like that's such a like wildly meta
cool thing. Because he also auditioned for the Batman that
Robert Patson got too, So he auditioned for the Batman.
He auditioned for Superman the same time as David corn
Sweat obviously audition didn't want it, and then he got Lex. Like,
that's the perfect setup in real life to become this

(30:44):
guy that is, you know, the failure.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Of the failure, not failure, not failure but like the
like you're missing out, like almost over overlooked at, and
it's like that's exactly what he wants in the movie.
He doesn't want Superman to to be you know, that's
what he like, I want this, I deserve this. I'm
smart enough to do this, and they give you that
when he's like, oh, I built this, I built the
access to this pocket dimension. And that's where I think

(31:08):
it gets not safe. That's where they step away from
getting into that whole world, which was cool because then
they take you back out and like so then it's
still a threat, but you're still very much like they
don't focus too I think if they focused way too
much on that that people be like, I don't this
isn't familiar to me, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
But it's he's like, no, I did this. This is
like this is my brain at work kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
And it was yeah, good because my only concern was
gonna be and part of what I didn't I just
didn't like how Jesse Eisenberg portrayed the character. But I
also like, I don't think the voice his voice was there.
I didn't, but I thought he was just kind of
too young.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
There was this too much.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
It seemed too it just seemed too kid like, Like
I know that Henry Cavill's not like old old, but
I just felt like there was too much of a gap,
like they need to be a little bit closer. It
just seemed unbelievable. Yeah, and an age, and this felt
this felt a lot more natural. I think, like, not,
he's not some old man. He's not some like old
man that's like barely hanging on. And he's not like

(32:06):
a teenager either, like he's Yeah, it's just a good,
a good, healthy, spry evil.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
You know if that makes sense, No, a hundred percent
it does. And I liked that they had like mister
terrific and other genius rich individual who comes in and
kind of is the counter explanation to the pocket universes.
He's kind of the one he's like, this is a
really dumb idea, and he's like, but this makes sense
with lex he does. He does all these crazy out
of the box scientific experiments that nine times out of

(32:36):
ten aren't the greater grid of anyone other than himself.
So that was a nice parallel of having both there
out of all the members of the Justice Gang. And
I really like the Justice Gang at all, and I
liked it. When I first heard that they were going
to be called the Justice Gang, I was like, that sucks.
But then once I heard in the context of the movie,
when you know, like Hawk Girls, like that's not really

(32:58):
our name, Like, yeah, they're playing into Gardener being a douche. Yeah,
But mister Perfect was definitely my standout. He's so sick undoubt,
and I loved Nathan Filly and his guy Gardner. I'm
stoked he's going to be in there's a new Lantern
series coming up, and he's going to be kind of
a side character in that. He's going to be in
Peacemaker season two because he was in the trailer. So
it's howk Groll. So it's nice, like and that's the

(33:20):
cool thing about this, Like this universe already feels so
connected and like, yes, and I love I love Marvel,
I love the MCU. But a big problem with the
MCU is that there's all these instances where things happen
and you're like, why isn't this person here? Yeah, are
the obviously the realistic thing is that they're schedules and

(33:42):
they they're not going to bring in this actor to
do one scene blah blah blah blah. But like James
Gunn is taking the time to do that already from
the jump, and that is awesome. I like love that,
Like it already feels like this connected, cohesive universe from
the jump, and I feel that's so important. He's setting
up precedent and that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
But yeah, it's not.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
It's not like where do we go from here? It's
like he knows where he's going. He's already building this. Yeah,
it's it's it's already kind of you see it spreading
out that's with the peacemaker stuff, with the the green
lantern stuff, Like it's already spreading outwards. It's not just
Superman monolith question marks. It's like the sea's already planted.
We're moving along that. Yes, it already feels very much

(34:28):
like okay, getting an idea of what this universe is
gonna be.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
And again, Batman could change a lot of things here.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
And he's even said the other stuff that's coming down
the pipe, like swamp thing and that handful of posses
he has coming like they're all gonna have different feels
to oh clay face, that'll be that'll be Faace, but
they're all gonna have different feels to them, and so
I'm curious to see how all those tie in also though,
But right now it's it's still it already feels cohesive,
and that's like, it's it's good. It's I think it's
one of Marvel's weaknesses right now. So it's not it's

(34:58):
not it's not terrible. It's not terrible. Like have they
come up with explanations and sometimes sometimes they work, sometimes
they don't. But but this is this is why this
is the breath of fresh air. It's because we're starting
off strong and with a vision and he knows where
he's going. That that's why I'm like, that's why, that's
why the big thought in my head is, like I
said earlier, give James Gunn the keys to the Kingdom,
because like he's he's opening up this door to a

(35:20):
whole universe, a literal universe, and it's just starting off strong.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, and that's the other thing that got set up
in this movie is Supergirl. Supergirl makes a cameo in
this movie, played by Millie Alcock and her movie comes
out next year. They he just posted the first like
promotional poster for it and instead of look up was
the theme of this movie look out movie for Supergirl. Yes,

(35:47):
and there's a very big reason to why she's like that.
If if no one has read Tom King's Woman of
Tomorrow comic run, I highly suggest it because it's a
pretty dark story. It's a very tragic story. The story
of Kara is pretty brutal, and she has a very
different experience than what Clark had and the drunkenness in

(36:09):
him explaining, Oh, she goes in parties on plants with
the Red Suns because those plants she can get drunk
because powers you're taken away. I'm not going to spoil
what it is, but you can go spoiler for yourself
if you want to. Tom King actually helped write the
script for the movie, which is also very exciting. To
have comment creators fully involved with the world of these adaptations.

(36:30):
That's awesome and I love that. And the director is
Craig Gillespie and he did it Tanya Coella, so he's
getting these like really talented creatives involved behind the scenes too,
which is which is very very exciting and I'm excited
to see more superhero MILLI. I just watched the show
Sirens on Netflix. It's a limited series, my five episodes,

(36:52):
super short. Killie Alcock was one of the main characters
in that. She's obviously very well known for House the Dragon.
She played the younger version of Ranera right now as well,
and I'm excited to see her tackle this. If you
missed it in the teaser poster, there's there's some blood
on her hands. She gets in some brawls because she's
you know, she's having a great drunk parting on alien planets.

(37:12):
And what I loved about this connection and kind of
lead into her movie is that it's predicated on Crypto,
and in this COmON, Crypto is her dog, and he
even says in the movies like, what's kind of a
foster situation. And then that's paid off with this cameo.
And that's why, while it is setting up something, it
didn't feel like it was forced in setting up something,
because it flowed naturally with the story. And what a

(37:36):
great way to get people to buy into this movie
that know nothing about Supergirl. Then to be like, yeah,
Crypto is coming back and he's going to be in Supergirl,
Like that's the genius.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Well, yeah, because we've never had we've never had Crypto
live action Crypto before, so Crypto was utilized and not
just a like, oh, here's the here's the annoying dog situation.
Like yeah, there there were jokes at the dog and
expense of course, but like the crypto was helpful, like
like a nuisance, a nuisance, but super helpful.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
Like it was.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
It was a fun balance of like is the dog
gonna get him in more trouble or is or is
he gonna help?

Speaker 2 (38:15):
And and in most cases it's help But the usage,
the usage felt appropriate.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
It didn't.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
It wasn't too little, it wasn't too too much.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
And the explanation was nice that like Crypto's misbehaved because
of Supergirl and there's also a tie in, so I
explains it explains the dog, but also gives us the
introduction to her. Like it was.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
The connection was just great. It's it's like, that's just
really good writing.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
I feel like, yeah, the line of when he goes
to when he gets himself arrested and goes into the
pocket dimension, into the you know, Lex's crazy jail and
he's talking about he's like, yeah, he's he's not even
really a good dog, but he's alone and he's probably scared.
I was, yeah, damns as a dog owner, like you know,

(39:01):
like that, like everyone everyone has those days with their dogs,
and you're like you're being a little ship. Stop being okay,
everyone has those days. At the end of the day,
they're the best, you know, and like anyone being like, oh,
Crypto is just an annoying dog, and I'm like, I
don't think you've owned a.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Dog, Like, yes, the dogs earning a dog not perfect
all the time. They're just not. They can be annoying,
like they just they just can't.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
I love that it's based on a version of one
of his James Guns dogs, you know, another indication of
him making a full cgi character look and feel incredible,
you know what I mean. Like it's an integral part
of the story. It doesn't feel antler I mean. And
that's like a lot of people were worried is there
going to be too many characters in this movie? And
there is a lot of characters. There's a lot going
on and there are, but it does I never felt overwhelmed. No,

(39:50):
they all served a purpose to the plot, which is awesome.
I love that and adds to the point we were
talking about before, where it's like it as this lived
in world, this expanded universe, and without giving us their
crazy origin stories, it just gives us a sense of
who they are as a character, and that's all we
need right now. It's the perfect introduction, and then we'll

(40:10):
see more of them later on, and then that's how
we'll get to learn more of them as we go
along and progress in this new universe. And that's exciting.
It's exciting to have this feeling. It's exciting to see
so many people positive about a DC project. Which of
course it happened with The Batman because that movie's awesome,
but it was different because like that's his zone thing,
you know. It happened with Joker too in a way,

(40:31):
you know, but again it was like that was his
own thing. Not so much in the second one, but
with the first one definitely. But it wasn't the same
as like, you know, they're cool. There's these hits while
they're trying to do this connected universe that really isn't working.
Some movies work most really, don't, you know, So it's
cool to be like, we know, it's the fresh start
and everyone's pretty much on board and ready to go,

(40:52):
and they're like I can't wait to see more. Even
the people that have been kind of like not even negative,
but kind of like mixed positive, are like, I still
like the movie. I was just expecting something different, which
is fine. It's just cool to see people positive about DC.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah, yeah, because it's been there just hasn't been a
whole lot of stuff to be positive about.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
I mean for sure, you know, and I I try
to be as it.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Can be really easily just loving loving this stuff. It
can be really easy to fall into the trap of like, oh,
I just I loved it.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
It was great.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
So when some people are like, what are you talking about?
This was clearly not that great, like this plot bule
X and this character why and whatever, like well, that's true.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
It can get really easy to be sucked in and
just like love it right off the bat because it's
a comic book movie and it's a superhero you're familiar with,
and they can do no wrong sometimes, but but I
mean very clearly they can.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Some of these movies can do wrong and like it yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
It sucks sometimes because I was a big fan of Joker,
big fan of Joker, but I haven't even watched the
second one.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
I just I've read too many. I've read too many.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
It's pretty fine.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
That's you know, aggressively okay.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Aggressively okay, just really pummeles you in the face with mediocrity.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
The problem with it is is that some of the
reactions to it. I think we're overblown. It's not the
worst thing I've ever seen, but it definitely leaves a
lot on the table and definitely begs the question to like,
this didn't need to be made. They because it was Joker,
was planned to be one movie. That's it.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yeah, that's what it was supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
And then it made a billion dollars. Then it won
a few Oscars, and they're like, let's make a sequel.
And that can be most not always. Sometimes it works
out when something gets popular and it carries on. Sometimes
it works out, but most time it doesn't, and in
this case it didn't. I was hopeful that you know,
Lady Gaga, I think is a great actor, and I

(42:46):
was like, that's a cool addition, she'ld probably be a
great Harley Quinn. But a lot of what the movie
is trying to set up doesn't really capitalize on it.
It's just a bummer. You don't need to watch it.
It's kind of a waste.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, like you can, but you know, you get that
time back. What I what I thought was because and honestly,
I think I'm at a point where it should have
just been the one and we could have been like, man,
this was great. That was That was one where I
left the theater like I felt kind of icky a
little bit, like for sure, I was like I was
me and my friends were silent, like we we we're

(43:18):
going back to hang out at one of our houses.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
But like the car ride back was just like contemplative.
It was like what did we just see? It was?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Oh man, and it just hit really hard. I was like,
this is fantastic. Though, That's what I want. I want
something to punch me in the gut like that, you know.
And then when it was like a time for a sequel,
I was like, okay, what you could do, what Todd
Phillips could do is like because the whole thing was
playing off of notver deviating for Superman inter but this
as an example of like how things can go wrong

(43:47):
here you go kids, like instead of just leaving it alone,
you're contemplating, you know. The whole thing was like you
don't really know what Joker's origin is, so he could
have made sequels and done different origin stories and have
that be this whole meta conversation about like you still
don't know. I've given you like three or four of
these movies now and you still don't know which one
is the real one, if any of them, you could

(44:08):
have done that, But you did this. You did this,
and that's like that lot is like laying on the
table for you if you wanted to make these sequels
and do it. And Joaquin Phoenix did a fucking great job.
I loved it. Great Joker with cool real world explanations
for stuff. I loved it.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
But yeah, you know, when you don't.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Utilize the stuff that's already there properly, you know, you
have source material to go from, and if you don't
use it properly, this can happen. I think that James
Gunn knows his source material very well, and I think
he's using it properly.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
I can't speak for the future. Maybe he goes on
a rampage or something and starts screwing up, but like
right now, right now, he's doing it. He's proving himself
more than he already has.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, and I think it's just like you were talking
about with Joker. You left the theater and you felt
kind of icky and probably borderline uncomfortable from Joker, that
makes sense. When I left this movie, I felt I
had the dumbest smile on my face, Like, yeah, I
felt so hopeful.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
I felt really hopeful and happy.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
I felt happy. I was like yeah, yeah, And the
coolest part of this movie to me is the whole like,
you know, maybe punk rock is, you know, being a
good person. Basically, it's kind of the premise of this
whole movie. And I know some people have found that
corny or cheesy or whatever, but I think, and it's
been stated, it's obviously. James Gunn is a massive music nerve. Yeah,

(45:32):
and he likes a lot of alternative music. He has
worn a four year strong shirt and in different like
promo stuff for DC, he's included bands like Go Go
or Bordello and Foxy Damn like these cool like alternative bands.
And I love that he, you know, took the first

(45:52):
and arguably biggest superhero ever. Yeah, and he made it
an allegory for punk rock, and he made it to
a thing. It's the same thing as Superman. Obviously Superman
is this like all powerful being, but he creates himself
in this image to make it approachable and make it
seem not as scary. And you know, to the normal person,

(46:15):
alternative music, hardcore metalcore can seem rough around the edge
is very scary. Oh they're screaming, it's so angry. But
at the end of the day, like it's all about community.
It's all about finding a home when you're an outcast,
and like that's the Superman's story. He's literally one of
one on a planet where he's just trying to do
good and bring people together. And like, I love that

(46:38):
James Gunn like made a thing being like, yeah, this
stuff may seem scary to you, but it's fine and
it's all for the greater good. And I just love that.
And it's like at the top the top of the
episode every episode, I say, you know, the most positive
POWP culture podcast the multiverse. Because as I started doing
this stuff and started getting more deep into writing for

(46:59):
bigger websites and stuff like getting access to stuff early
and reviewing in posting my reactions, everyone's like, oh, you
love everything, which I think people now know that's not
the case, because I've been very vocal about things I
don't like. I just like talking about things I like
more than things I.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Don't like and things you don't like.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, sure, because then it just you don't want to
seem like a negative Nancy and that sucks. You want
things to be good and approachable and likable, like you know.
Not everything's perfect, of course, so you have to voice
an opinion sometimes. But I agree with you. I mean,
it's and that's I think what James Gunn is doing
and how he's telling the story of what Superman is,

(47:38):
like this is just what the character is.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
And then I'm sure you've seen all the people up
in arms now over what.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Dean Kane said, and Dean Kane Okay, like I watched
that show when I was a kid, but you know, right,
but if that's you know who you are now, okay,
But like this is the people that are like.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Oh, Superman's woke now, motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
He's been woke since nineteen forty whatever, like yeah, thirty
eight thirty eight, Yeah, Like he's the whole thing has
been about helping people in need, and he is an
immigrant from not from this planet, let alone country, right,
you know, like this is what the story has always been.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
And they're like the people that are like discovering what
X Men was really was, Like what it's an allegorithm
star Wars.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah, Like, guys, like this isn't like yes, this is
very fun entertainment, entertainment, but that's not just surface level.
There are things that were being told here and if
you didn't get it, that's not on us, that's on you.
Maybe you're the shitty person.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I love the the it's not even like a meme,
but it's whatever you want to call it, the thing
that's been going around. It's like these things didn't become woke.
You just grew up to be a piece of shit.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Yeah that's what. Yeah, that's that's that's the one I
keep saying that, Yeah, that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I need to flip the flip the camera around, look.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
At yourself, like I there's no there's no escaping. Like,
if you want to be a shitty person, fine, be
nobody's perfect. But if you want to start blaming these
stories for being nice and like you know, there's hardships
in them and stuff, but you're missing the point.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
And that's that's on, you do your homework.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
It's the same people who were like, when did rage
against the machine become political? I'm like, since they started.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
At only since the dawn of time when they picked.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Up their instruments. Instead, we're raging against the machine. That's
when it's what do you think the machine is? What
do you think the machine is?

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Some guy hitting a robot with a wrench.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Come on, some people are just beyond help. So we
got next year. We have Lanterns coming out, we have
super Boup, we have Clayface. There's other stuff that's been
announced that's not fully started yet. But is there an
upcoming DZ project that you're most excited about?

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Probably Batman two, just because I I I not that,
not that it's gonna connect anything. I know. Shane Dunn
has specifically said it's not, that's not He's not my Batman. Yeah.
I think there was one article where he said not
right now or as of right now, like, of course, fine,
leave the door open. But I kind of liked that

(50:04):
whole thing being separate. I loved the penguin. I thought
that was great. But I think I think just being
a big Batman there, it is like I'm I guess
I'm excited for Batman two.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Whenever that gets written.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
The script is done, the script is, we're one step close.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Okay, okay, cool because last last thing I read was
like there's still there's still writing it or they can't
figure it. They can't figure it out, And I'm like, cool,
because I don't want you to rush it and have
it be shitty.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
That's my favorite character. I want you to do it right.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
But I think I think that, but I also I
do want to see though, who James Gunn picks. I'm
not trying to focus just on Batman, but I love
him so much. That's what that's That's where my sites
immediately go. Is as great as Superman was. Can't wait
for a sequel. I love that he's already like we're
doing it. Sequels happening. It's you know, whenever it happens, sure,
but but that's where his sites are. My sites are.

(50:49):
What are you doing with Batman?

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I do?

Speaker 3 (50:51):
I'm deally with you.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I love matt Rey's Batman. I love the Penguin. I
just posted an article on Collider about the Penguin about
it just gotten dominated twenty four Emmys and a lot
of people are wondering if there's gonna be a season two,
So I wrote an article about that. If you want
to go to Claria to Comedy, check that out. But
I want to keep it separate because I think tonally,
I don't think they'll work together. And I kind of
want the DCU Batman to almost feel like kind of

(51:15):
how like this, Like a lot of people describe this
movie as like an episode of an animated series come
to life, and I totally agreed for sure, And I
kind of want the DCU Batman to feel a little
more whimsical, not full like Adam west Batman, but like
in the middle of like Adam Weston and like bail
Or Pattinson, Like you know.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
There's there's an area in there that there's a vin
diagram of those Batman that can that can work, and
like I love the dark and brooding. That's what I like.
That's why I like Batman as I like that. But
but but I agree with you also that I I
don't see the Matt Reeves Batman and that whole universe
meshing with yes, bright colors and John Williams as John

(51:57):
williams S themes, Like I don't hear I don't see
those two worlds. That's why I'm curious what he's gonna
do with like everything from here on out, you know,
seeing how things are different but the same and I
but I just I it's not my place to figure
that out. It's only it's only our job to enjoy
it and speculate because that's what this is for.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
It's his job to make it happen, and I have
I have full full trust in him.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
So my, I'm excited for all those all the projects
that he had that have been announced, and we could
obviously speculate on other things, but my, my. The next conversation, really,
I think is though, it's because if he's building this universe,
I love that we just got like a little bit
of the Hall of Justice, like it's being worked on
and like we're in it, but it's it's not perfect yet,
Like this is one of the time you.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Are literally building they're literally building it. And I was like, God,
it's great.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I love this, like you can see it, and it
makes you anticipate, it makes you want more, Like don't
give us everything, because then what do I you know,
I don't like to go there's nothing left to go
to and I've I'm satisfied with what we got, but
I'm also not satisfied because I want more and you
gave me that. And that's what makes this fun. That's
what makes us fun. It's like you even if you
know some of the storylines, it's like you don't. It's

(53:09):
it's how they how they're given to us on the
screen versus in a comic book and or on the
small screen. I always thought that like, that's where DC
had a leg up. I was going to bring this
up earlier. Is DC animated stuff, I feel like blows
marvel stuff out of the water. I just I think
that there's a lot to work with. And I think
that James Gunn really just has his finger on the
pulse here and he he knows how to deliver the goods.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
And so now that he's building this world.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Now that he's building this world, I think one of
the big questions is where does Batman come in, Who's
going to be the Flash, where's one wonder woman in
Accaman everybody? And when does we you know, how do
we put all these guys together? Who's gonna who the
actors that are going to play them? And my site's
just being selfish. My sites just go straight to Batman.
So that's what I'm looking forward to. I know I'm
not going to get it like next year or anything,

(53:55):
you know, but that's now that, now that we're here,
the conversations can start of cool, we've got our Superman,
Where's Batman? Let's talk baby, Where's my Dark Knight?

Speaker 1 (54:05):
He he did say that the two things that as
soon as they get a good script they're gonna get
fast tracked to being made is Batman and one which
completes the trinity of DC. So it makes perfect sense.
You're not out of line saying like where's and he is?
As a Batman person myself, I've been wondering that is,

(54:25):
you know, and like it's exactly what I said, Like
I hope we get like a different take than we've
gotten in live action, because we've never really gotten one
that's in the middle of those two, like a good
culmination of both. Like obviously Clooney's was way too goofy,
and you know, like Michael Keaton is kind of probably
the closest to what I'm talking about, but almost maybe

(54:46):
even a little more serious than him, And I do
think it's going to be an older Batman a little bit,
because Damian Wayne is the talk of the town and
he's already going to be in it, So we're gonna
get a little bit but like a you know, like
a more of a middle aged Batman, which I think
is fine. You can get like a mid thirties year
old guy, because right.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Now we've got because we've got it, we've got a
young Batman. Right now, we've got we've got Matt, we've
got that whole universe, and like that's that's cool. But
like again, we don't need the origin story. We don't
necessarily like no, please fucking don't, don't do it again.
Like there's no way to make it any more dramatic
than it's ever been. There's no way to make it sadder.
There's no way. You can't outdo any of them that

(55:24):
already exists, and they're all the same. So just let's
just do what we're doing here. It can be it
can be a middle aged Batman.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
That's fine.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
I've an introduction of like you said, like a like
a Damien would be really cool. This starting off so well, Superman,
starting laying the groundwork.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
So well sets us up for success. I feel like
and I'm.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Trying not to put the cart before the horse here,
but I think that I think, you know, but like
because again there a lot could go wrong, but you know,
if we just one thing at a time, trust the
process kind of thing, like he's he's showing us what
he can do and then he can do it well.
And with with that, you know, I'll trust him with

(56:07):
Batman and trust him with Wonder Woman.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
You know, just just gotta be patient. Just gotta be patient.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
One, Steve, thanks so much for sitting down and chance
some Superman with me.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Absolutely, man, it was a blast, happy.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
To be on.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
We'd love to come back anytime. You were welcome back anytime.
But before we get out of here, please plug what
within the Ruins got going on and where people.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Can find out, So sting for Within the Ruins.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
We're on Instagram, Facebook, I refuse to call it X
called Twitter YouTube all.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
We had a new album come out in back in August.
It was phenomena too, so we're kind of in that
album cycle right now. So check out the theme of
this video. Check out the music video for the Last
son about Superman.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
See some cool.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Nods that I put into the thought process there, and
we have some shows at the end of at the
end of August with our friends and of Sulfur and
doing Michigan Metalfest with them and Dying Fetus as well,
and then we'll see what the rest of the year
has for us. But and I'm and I'm Steve the Mess.
We're Instagram and everywhere, so find me, find me, check

(57:11):
out the band. Let's have a good time, let's enjoy
our superheroes, be good people, you know, listen to good music.

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Speaker 3 (57:59):
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