September 16, 2025 • 57 mins
Celebrating the release of their new album Pantheon, Will Swan of Dance Gavin Dance joins Sean to chat about Magic the Gathering, Bring Her Back, Alien: Earth, horror legacy sequels, and so much more.
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What's Up Very oneable the most pot top podcast. We
welcome for some metal core Nerds. Through each episode, I
have a guest from the podcasting or music community and
we explore their love of pop culture. I'm ero Shan
Mott and my co host of this episode is will
of Dance Gavin Dance. Welcome to the Show's up. How's
it going good man? How about you?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I'm doing really good today. Yeah, just been writing some
music and that's always a fun time.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Hell yeah, that's awesome. That's good to hear. Love love
to hear that. We're gonna get a little bit too
your songwriting stuff in a seconds. But whether you return
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into the pop culture talk, we're gonna kick off the
show like we do every single episode. Well, the Metal
Core Nerds Song of the Week and as long a
Week this week is from the band What Lies Below.
This is their latest single Void.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Hello, okay, this is the place of chosen. Watch any story.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Silences, Les say serious, I know by that's outside of God.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
O th baby, how God got lie?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Why don't jig blow.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Gie A right coming up?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I say, said, jobs, this is choosing.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Try last, I pay jobs by job as dis way
out from God.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Just go right out about a burger job, go straw
right to us jaw and want for chi short shoulders stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Job shout di.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Su try right out Roger right.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
I'm tulling y said, it is not in China. This
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why shut up your follow line? Shoot shoot shoot.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Try my lad try that jobs gout, I'm shine.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Let's across the low.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Again. That was what lies below with their latest single
Void alone. Of course, for more music recordations, you can
check out the note point where it's pull is Spotify Playlists.
I update it daily. You can find the direct link
in the show notes below. Now Will Dancing Dance is
a new album. By the time this drops will be out,
so that's exciting obviously. Now this is the first full
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length with Andrew fully on vocals, and I want to
know for this album in particular, and I kind of
as the band has continued to progress, how has the
songwriting approach for this album and each album as you've
went along throughout the band evolved.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You know, it's constantly changing, and we're always experimenting with
different processes for writing, you know, whether it's me starting
songs us we're starting songs in practice, somebody sending riffs
back and forth like we like to try and mix
it up, and I think that gives us different outcomes
as well, so that it keeps it fresh and we're
not just doing the same thing and approaching things the
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same way every time. I'd say the biggest change on
this record was vocally. It was really collaborative. We wrote
almost all the vocals while we were on the Falling
Reverse tour last year where we had a lot of
time because we weren't headlining, So me, John Andrew would
sit in the back lounge of the bus and just
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go over the instrumentals that we had already worked out
and kind of all just try to write was coolest
and collaborate on song meanings. And this record ends up
I think being the most cohesive lyrically thematically of any
record we've done. Because of that collaboration, So it was
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really exciting to be a part of that and to
be able to help vocals and a way that I
haven't before.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
So yeah, it was pretty new and I think that
turned out awesome.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I'm so happy with the way that this record just
like really makes a lot of sense, and I think
that fans will appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
That's super cool. Do you think that collaboration was so
easy because you already kind of had like a language
of music with Andrew because he played guitar and everything
like that. Do you think it just like that you
guys combining on now and vocally that was just already there.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, And I think that everybody was just in the
right headspace and we were just vibing really well off
of each other, and everyone was really open the you know,
kind of left our egos at the door and it's like,
let's do what makes sense for the song and this,
you know, the song is king and you know, put
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ourselves aside, and at the end, I think that the
final product really reflects that.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, that's that's the biggest thing with songwriting. I feel
like a lot of people, I guess it's hard too,
because you know, you can get self conscious in playing
music in general. So if someone comes with a oh hey,
that part isn't as good, it's not like a personal thing. Again,
song is king. So I love hearing a band of
your colber saying something what seems can seem so trivial
(08:26):
and simple like that really is the key to all
of songwriting. Is that that that needs to come first.
That's awesome, that's really cool to hear.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, I think that's hard to maintain too. I mean,
lots of bands and even any kind of creatives end
up kind of parting ways over creative differences. I'd say
that's one of the main reasons. And everybody wants to
really take ownership of their contribution. But it's not easy,
especially when you've been doing something for a really long time,
to take criticism and be like, all right, you know,
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I like it, you guys, don't, let's figure something else
that everyone likes.
Speaker 7 (09:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
It's it's easier said than done. But I'm really glad
that we have a group of dudes that is capable
of that.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Switching into pop culture. I know you're a big manage
of the gathering guy. I saw you have a Stanley
Kubrick sleeve. So obviously pop culture is the thing you
hold near and endeared your heart. But I want to
go to the beginning. What was like the defining moment
that got you into pop culture, whether it was a
kid a young adult, Like, what was that.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Definitely as a kid, I had a really big family
and we'd go to family functions. My parents would, you know,
go with the adults and I'd go with the kids.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
But I was kind of one of the.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Younger ones the generations, so they'd be watching horror movies
and things that I probably shouldn't have been exposed to
but was, and it freaked me out, but it ended
up creating a huge fascination, Like being shown things like
Nightmare on Elm Street and The of the Body Snatchers.
It's a really conceptual things, you know, scared me but
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also just opened my mind to a lot of possibilities
and we're really fascinating at the same time. So definitely
kind of had me grow up with a real grounding
and enjoyment for sci fi and horror, which then kind
of just became a love of film. And movies were
always a big part of my life and I watched
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a lot of movies in my room growing up, and
it was like an escape and also a mentor in
ways to learn from. And you know, that's not part
of the generation that was raised by a television And
I'm just lucky that a lot of the stuff that
I was exposed to and that I enjoyed was stuff
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that I still enjoy now, and it was very high
quality and kind of formed my love for pop culture.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Definitely some stuff I loved growing up that I've revisited
as an adult that have gone both ways where I
was like, oh wow, that still is really good, and
stuff I'm like, that is not how I remembered it
when I was a kid.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Yeah, that happens.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
But I think there was a kind of golden age
in the nineties, especially for children's cartoons. I mean growing
up on Oh yeah, X Men and Spider Man, and
there was just so many good shows that I can
still go back to and enjoy it as an adult.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah. Admittedly, before X Men ninety seven came out a
few years ago, I tried to go back and rewatch
X Men and I could not do it. It was
not hitting the same. But X Men ninety seven I
thought was pretty incredible. I don't know if you checked
that out, but I was honestly shocked of how good
that show was. I'm a big like Marvel guy, but
(11:47):
I was like, oh, yeah, this thing I loved when
I was a kid, is you know, kind of getting
this like legacy sequel. Obviously, I'm going to watch it
just for nostalgia's sake. And then I could not believe
the story again. I was like, Wow, this is this
is good stuff.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I mean it's a little bit soap opry when you
go back and watch old ones, but yeah, X Men
and Spider Man are probably my favorite and still favorite superheroes,
and I grew up on them and I own all
the Chris Claremont run of X Men comics from the
beginning of his taking it over to the end.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
So I'm a huge fan of those X Men's storylines.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And I love that they just kind of picked from
comics and they they did a decent job in the
in the you know show from the nineties of making
it digestible for little me, and you know, now, I
definitely appreciate the depth of the writing in the comics.
It's definitely a cut above a lot of other comics.
(12:48):
I guess with just Chris Claremont's you know, literary background
being I'm pretty sure he was an English major, but
he Yeah, he just wrote those comics with such a
depth of character and analysis of thought that I can
always go back to those.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, it's crazy what X Men does in general, of
just there's so many characters and they all have their
own kind of trauma or character arcs they go through
and it still somehow works. I want to get to
Magic the Gathering. I know, I know you're a big
Magic the Gathering guy. I know little to nothing about
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Magic the Gathering. So I want this to kind of
be like a sell the world on Magic the Gathering.
And I know that's not gonna be hard for a
lot of people, but I've always kind of been interested
in it, but intimidated by kind of the breath of it.
There's so much like lore, and you need the knowledge
to build the decks, then you need the knowledge to
play it. But what got you into Magic the Gathering
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in the first place.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Actually, it was our tour manager, Gino. He's been playing
for like twenty years and he was with us for
a good three or four years as our tour manager
for DGD and I had no idea that he played
at all. I think he kind of hit it, you know,
because it's not the It wasn't the coolest thing. But
(14:08):
I saw him playing at one point when he hadswer
free time, and I, you know, just walked over.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I was like, what is this?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And he offered to show me the game, and I
bought a little pre conduc and tried and it was
a lot of it was way over my head, but
it just seemed like it could be a lot of
fun if I understood it, so I stuck with it.
I got to say, there's a learning curve for sure
that it takes like maybe four or five games to
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be like all right, I know what I'm doing kind of,
but once you get a hang of it, Yeah, it's
a lot of fun. Coming from like a guy who
enjoys chess and strategy games. It's kind of strategy on
a really deep level, with so many variables and different
ways that you can go about playing. And I've been
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playing for about three years now and I still feel
like I'm constantly learning and opening up new levels of
understanding to where I'm like, oh, this is this is
how this works. I've been doing this totally wrong, and
I have that epiphany like every few months playing Magic,
So it's kind of like a really deep hole to
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go down. And if you're into strategy and yeah, just
complex games, it's one of the best I've found.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
Now I'm definitely an.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Addict, but there's just so much to learn, and there's
so many factions too, Like I know that they've started
doing these Universes Beyond sets where they team up with
different ips, like they've done Doctor Who, They're doing Spider
Man pretty soon, which is right up my alley. And
then there's people who have been playing for like a
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few decades who are really into just the Lord that
they've built with the characters Magic's created. And there's you know,
people who really want the old old schools only, people
who like the new Universes Beyond and don't care for
the old Magic stuff. There's people who kind of like
it all. I never was married to the original stuff,
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so I don't mind the universes beyond. Being a new player.
Some of that stuff's kind of fun to me. But
I also really appreciate the lore they've built, and I've
been trying to learn that. So there's just so much there,
and it's all really quality and interesting. So, you know,
learning the game and learning the lore, it feels like
a journey that I'm constantly on and it's a lot
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of fun. It's like you're unraveling a mystery.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Right yeah, that's see. Even you explain that like doesn't
make it any less intimidating. I might might have made
it more.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Man, I've been timidated. I've been playing for three years.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Because I have some friends that play it too, and
they've kind of sort of explained it to me, and
I'm like, and I as soon as you said the
thing about the new and the old, I remember them
talking about that, and I was because they were like,
oh yeah, there's like there's like two ways you can
play it. There's like an old school way in a
new school way, And like I was gonna ask you,
I was like, yeah, isn't there like different ways of
playing it? And you explained it all right there. I
did see some of the Spider Man collabs ones. There's
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a Spider's Man card, which, for anyone who knows doesn't
know what Spider's Man is, it's a collection of spiders
that control a Spider Man costume. It's a really weird,
kind of deep cut Spider Man character. But it's cool
that they're including stuff like that, Like, that's awesome. Obviously
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they have the people involved in that collaboration are very
knowledgeable from both sides to want to include stuff like that,
And I know a lot of people have been really
stoked on the Marvel clab and stuff like that. I've
heard a lot a lot of hype surrounding that, so
that's really really cool. Who do you play with? Usually?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
You know, they have shops that you can just go
play with random people. You have some friends in town
who I just go to those with and we just
challenge whoever we meet, and it's a it's a cool
way to meet people too, and yeah, you might end
up finding people that you want to play with regularly.
So it's very social. And most of the things I do,
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like music, film, are kind of isolated activities, so Magic's
been a little bit more of a branching out kind
of thing where you do put yourself out there a
little bit and it's it's that's kind of a fun
part of.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
It as well.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Have you played it on tour at all?
Speaker 7 (18:28):
Yeah, so much.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I mean, we just did a tour with the home
team and all of them, but they're singer Brian play.
So I mean every day that we had free time
and could them and the guys in our crew who
play would get together, we'd have like multiple pods of
four as far as the most you can do in Commander,
like the most social version of magic. So yeah, we
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were playing just constantly. There's tons of fun.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
That's so sick. So you can like you can like
develop a squad like where you're on like the same
team kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I mean, it's totally open. When you're playing Commander. It's
everyman for themselves. Okay, okay, there's only one winner, but
if somebody at the tables running things, you know, the
other people can team up on them. It could become
one on three or there's so many ways to go
about it because there's the game of the rules, but
then there's also the politics of the table and trying
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to make alliances or you know, arrangements with different players
like you don't attack me and take my guy out,
I'll help you get these rid of these guys. And
you know, you have to be able to talk with
people who negotiate as well.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
That's so fascinating. So have you got into some heated
like matches, you know, not.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Really because you kind of have to have a sense
of humor about it.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
And I mean you could play to like want to
win every game, which you do, but I think a
lot more of the goal for me is to try
and get my deck to do something cool or or
do like the work the way it's supposed to work.
And even if you lose, you learn a little bit
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and you can take that to maybe augment your deck
and make it work a little better.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
So it's just constantly like a testing.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
So playing the games, you're almost like always testing your
decks and seeing if you can tune them up. Or
if you don't even care about winning that much and
just want to do something silly.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
You can do that as well.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
What's an example of something silly you can do?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I mean there's combos and things that you can try
to pull off, or you if there's a card that
creates like a bunch of copies of something and you
just happen to be able to do that and pull
off I'm making a bunch of copies of something stupid,
but at the whole table, could you know find it
funny and you might not win, but you could have
fun losing.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, it does seem like a game very much. I
can be a pretty competitive person. I like playing board
games among friends, but not ones like easy, like Cards
against Humanity or anything like that. There's this there's a
Blockbuster game where you it's like you pick like five
cards or something, and then you pick the three cards
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for the other team and they have to It's it's
like one is like charades basically, but you can't say anything.
You acted out. One is like one word and another
one I think it's like a phrase or something, and
you you have like a timer. It's like thirty seconds
to see how many you can get right. That's a
big fun one that one can get pretty uh, pretty
(21:32):
heated sometimes but also hilarious because the act it one
is just it's so hard, especially with some of the
movies they have listed. There's a similar there's an MTV
game which is very similar.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
It's it's all like famous songs and stuff like that.
So those are kind of like our go to. It's like,
I always would love to do something like that, like
like a magic or even like D and D or something,
but it's usually a thing where it's like we play
for like a half an hour or an hour and
then it's over. It can't be like it's like, you know,
there's so much work goes into some of the stuff
setting it up and then understanding the rules and then
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having everyone else understand the rules, where I don't know,
maybe one day even the friends I know that that
do it, I feel like they would welcome me into it.
But I think it's like weird imposter syndrome of like
even if I did get started and like a new guy,
and it's like I don't want them to treat me different,
but then you also want to keep up with everyone.
It's a lot, a lot to try and tackle mentally almost.
(22:26):
That's so cool. That's cool. You play on tour, That's
that's awesome. I love hearing what bands like do on tour.
That's like not the norm you know, like obviously you go,
you load in, you whatever, you know, there's the normal
normality of tour. But I love hearing things like that. Again,
I know you're a movie lover, as we've obviously covered.
(22:47):
Is that a thing you try to do on tour
as well? Go to the movies?
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Actually, we try to do movies on days off.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
A lot of the times.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Also, I will, you know, log in on our bus
to my film apps, and a lot of times I
like to show the other guys movies and things that
I think they like that I've discovered, because I, you know,
watch a ton of stuff. So yeah, I feel like
I'm kind of often the one who's like, you got
(23:15):
to see this, and you know, show people older movies,
newer movies, just whatever I think's cool and well, you know,
sometimes really trippy stuff too, to just mess with the dudes.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
The worst recommendation I gave to someone in Worse Buy,
I knew exactly what I was doing. There was a
band locally that when I was in college, I would
I would hang out. I would go to their band practice,
and then we'd hang out after usually watch movies, get
pizza or whatever. And the last one before I moved
back home after I after I graduated, I showed them
The Anti Christ and I've already watched it. Oh jeez,
(23:53):
So I was like, guys, guys, we all watched this movie.
And if no one's seen The Anti Christ, there's some
pretty wild scenes of it.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
That's all I'm gonna say, yeah, is pretty mussed up. Yeah, yeah, normal. No,
nothing Large Bontier does is normal. I do like a
lot of his stuff. And yeah, our bass player actually
brings up every once in a while when I showed
him the House that Jack Belt, which is another Large
Bontier movie that's super fucked up, and he just I
(24:21):
think it started him.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It was so funny because, like, you know, we were
like saying our goodbyes and we didn't see elther forever.
I'd live in the same time I went to college now,
But it was just like such a weird moment. End
that like chapter of her friendship. They're like, oh, well,
remind us never less that you recommend a movie ever again,
see you later. I guess. So. Is there been like
a super weird movie you've showed the band that They're like,
(24:44):
what the fuck was that?
Speaker 7 (24:46):
All kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I'd say one of my favorites in the last few
years was a movie called Under the Silver Lake, and
that movie definitely perplexes everybody, but I've probably watched it
like ten times now. I just thought it was so
interesting and goes all over the place. I'm a big
fan of the weird for sure, but I like everything.
(25:07):
I want anything just to see if there's something to
take from it.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, same here. I sci fi is probably my favorite.
A big fan of horror, and but I'll watch anything
because I just it's I love seeing what something has
something to offer. And I feel like every piece of
medium kind of or like genre or whatever kind of
has its place in the world because like I love
(25:34):
a good, shut off your brain kind of dumb movie
to watch sometimes, but then I also love one that
like you just think about for weeks on end and
you just can't stop thinking about it to the point
where you're like obsessing over it. So it's like, yeah,
I'm very much the same way, where it's like I
just like consuming whatever it is. And then that goes
for music and everything too. It's I and then I
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always love the same people, like going to people who
have seen the same thing and like just seeing what
they thought of it, even if it's completely different. I
love hearing like the like how stuff affects people differently
and what they took from something compared to what I
took from something, And I kind of love We're in
this new era of certain kinds of stuff where the
(26:16):
people creating this are more vague about their answers of
stuff to because I think like film and TV are
made to elicit a reaction in a response out of
whoever it is that views it, and that's a big
part of the thing. And I feel like too many
(26:37):
people are obsessed with getting everything answered, and it's such
a thing. It's the thing I think about constantly because
they're like, oh, I didn't like this movie because they
didn't answer X question. And I can't really say what
they're saying is wrong because for their opinion it's not.
But at the same time, I'm like, well, yeah, I
don't think it needs to be answered, because you know,
(27:00):
if the questions left answered didn't take away from the plot,
and that's fine. And there's definitely both on both sides.
There's stuff I've seen round like they could have fleshed
that out a little bit more. That's a little different.
But I'm so fascinated by people's kind of need to
have everything answered lately.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, for sure, I think that's something I really appreciate about.
Like you could even take Kubrick. You know, he's probably
my favorite director. Some of his movie I mean, his
movies kind of all explore the dark side of humanity
in a different way. They're almost all horror movies in
some kind of way, but like two thousand and one,
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you know that movie has got a lot of room
for interpretation, and especially the ending, and that you know
there is like it doesn't make sense. But I feel
like part of the fun of that kind of stuff
is that it leaves you with big questions that not
all questions are answerable, so things that make you think
and that you could think and try to interpret yourself.
(28:02):
It expands your brain and your way of thinking without
needing to know exactly what the artists meant. And then
the other side of that, while creating our sometimes you'll
leave lyrics especially vague, and people will be like, I
don't know what this means. It's just gibberish. It's like, no,
it's not. But it's just meant to make you think
(28:23):
or just put something in a way that I understand.
But you can interpret and think of it however you want,
and I won't say it's wrong. It's just how you
feel about it. So, yeah, the art can affect different
people differently, and then the way that we perceive it,
and then we can discuss it and learn more about
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ourselves than each other through the way that we perceive
our I think that's a really cool thing about it.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, it's a I think it's the most beautiful thing
about like expression of art in any form is the
discussion after you consume that thing. It's like been the
most fun thing about this because my biggest goal with
this show was to not only I guess, bring together
people that you know, didn't know these people were like
(29:11):
X person is into this or X person is into that.
And then kind of because for a long time, like
being a quote unquote nerd was you know, kind of
frowned upon, I guess, and now like being a nerd
is cool, I guess whatever. You know, like we've said,
like you know, we both grew up on nineties you know,
comic cartoons, Like it's kind of always been there, and
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a lot of the people wind up connecting with whether
it's on the podcast or outside talking about things podcasts
related all had similar things and that's just a beautiful
thing to have, you know, and it's all those people
who are usually involved in music too, So it's it's
cool to see those worlds melt. That's been the coolest
thing about this is to have people be more open
(29:52):
about this stuff and be able to have something to
talk about like that, because there's definitely been people too
where there like yeah, I have like no one to
really talk about this stuff with. And it's like, it's
cool to see that, you know, that gap shortened and
create like a voice to have and share those feelings
with each other. So you said you watch a lot
of stuff. What do you watching that.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
I'd say the thing that was the most impacting that
I watched recently was bringing her back that horror film.
It was pretty dark and you know, just had some
kind of gut wrenching moments that usually I've done as
effectively as they did it. So I was impressed with
how they were able to pull off a lot of
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stuff the very ending.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
I don't have you seen it.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
So here's the thing people have been telling me, I
love talk to me. It's the same writer director Duo
did that too, And I was stoked to watch this.
It was only in theaters for like a very short time.
I missed it in theaters, so I was very bummed
about it. And so I've just been kind of like
waiting to watch it. I guess and then I've had
so many people be like, you need to watch this movie.
(31:00):
And then I saw that your wonderful publicist Becky mentioned
that you've seen it, so I was like, I'm going
to watch it. I watched it yesterday, and let me
tell you, I don't think I've had a movie mentally
affect me as much as this movie in a really
long time in the way that this movie creates such
an atmosphere of dread and uneasiness without even really doing anything.
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And there's a few scenes that are like pretty gross,
but like from the jump, you just feel like icky
watching it, and that to me is something that's so impressive.
And I was like, whatever these dudes do, I will
be there. Hey, we'll be there. I'll all say, is
the knife scene, Jesus, I don't think that. And it's
(31:50):
obviously the visuals of that is brutal, but it's the sound.
The sound was the worst part for me. I'm like,
oh my God, and I think it's gonna be imprintsied
my brain forever. So I watched it yesterday. But yes,
you're gonna say.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I thought it was pretty damn good, and yeah, I agree,
it had I think that horror relies so much on
jump scares nowadays, which I can enjoy a lot of
jump scares stuff. I'm not like sure totally against it,
but when atmosphere and dread are like really played up
and done well, there's just no substitute for that as
(32:26):
far as like real horror goes. In my opinion, I
think that movie really nailed that. Yeah, I'd say the
only criticism that I really have of it is the ending.
I wanted it to just go through with kind of
what they were building up to instead of kind of
a little bit of a twist that they had. I
guess i'd say spoilers right now, but just at the ending,
(32:49):
you know, when the girl kind of yells out the
other lady lets her go, I kind of felt like
that was kind of like Batman versus Superman Donna Justice
moment where it's like Martha, you know, he just kind
of I was like, come on, Like, after all the
stuff that's happened up to this point, just that wouldn't
stop her. So I thought that was kind of dumb,
(33:11):
and I instantly was taken back to that moment in
that moment, But other than that, I thought the movie
was just brilliant.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah me too. I Yeah, I loved the movie. I
think the ending was probably the weakest part. But there's
something to it that also made me think as the
more I thought about, because I remember, I think I
reround the scene a couple of times because I was like, wait,
what because at first I thought it worked. And again
I'll mark in the time codes when we're talking about spoilers,
so if anyone still hasn't watched this movie, you can
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skip ahead to that. So I thought it worked at first,
and then when she runs away, I was like, oh,
it didn't work. And then me thinking about this woman
did all of this fucked up shit because she thought
this weird ritual was gonna work. And obviously some things
were working. That kid she kidnapped, there was something going
on with that kid. Obviously some thing was working in
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some capacity to make them all, you know, whatever was
going on throughout the course of that movie. But then
to the fact that like her grief drove her to
do all this stuff, ruin these other children's lives, completely
kill another children, and was willing to kill a children
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to get her daughter back, and then the fact that
it all didn't work.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Was like, it's hard because they didn't like beat you
over the head with it. It's like such a small moment,
and I can see what you mean with her saying
mom and it does. It is a very Martha moment.
Nothing you mentioned it. That's all I can think about,
and it's kind of making me backfedle this thought. But
the like the fact that she was so obsessive and like,
because that's what this movie about. This movie is about loss,
a loss from all ends of the spectrum, but especially
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the mother and what that loss has driven her to do.
And the fact that she did all of this and
then it did didn't work is so awful. That's like, yes,
the little girl gets away, but holy shit, that's a
pretty dark ending, you know what. And I guess like
the bad guy loses, but like at the end of
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the day, you're like, damn, she did all of that
for nothing, nothing at all.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I mean, even if it went through, I feel like
it would have been like a pet cemetery kind of
thing where you know, it's not gonna be like happy ending.
You know, she'd probably come back all wrong. So whatever
she was leading towards was already flawed. But I just
wanted to see it, you.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Know, No, yeah, for sure, Yeah it it would have
been cool to see, Like, I wonder if there's like
an I wonder if they I'm I'm guessing they probably
thought that there might be like an alternate ending out
there somewhere. I'll have to research that and see if
there is one out there. I'm stoked for talk to
Me too, that's coming. I know they I think they
I don't know if they wrote two scripts or they
just had two ideas, because they were like, we're either
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going to continue where the first one left off, or
they're gonna tell another story just in the universe. And
there has been like I think they've hinted that the
like bring Her Back and Talk to Me existed in
the same world. So it would be cool to see
the tapes like revisited in some way, shape or form,
because like, they don't say anything about the tapes. You
just see some scenes with them, and you're kind of like,
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I guess there's some weird magic going on and that's
all you got, you know what I mean. Like, so
it'd be cool to like, and I don't I don't
like when horror fully explains things. That's when stuff, because
usually the result isn't as satisfying as you want to be,
Like it never really is, so it would be cool.
But it'd be cool to explore it a little. Like
I mean, the hand is such a fascinating thing from
Talk to Me, Like that's so wild and I don't
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even care if we find out where that came from,
but like, there's obviously a much more like ritualistic explanation
to the hand, and it would be cool to at
least get that with the tapes, you know, of someone
being like, oh, yeah, this is how they work, and
like it would be like even if they did like
a prequel thing of some sort, like in the Talk
to Me universe or whatever, if they just do a
new movie and it comes out and then like it
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ends with someone like handing the tapes to the mother
character or something, that they'd be kind of cool. I
love weird twists like that. It happens ever so often
in horror movies, and I think that's always just such
a clever like split did it obviously, like the fifth
Final Destination movie did it. It's it's just like it
it'd be cool to see something like that happen because
I feel like it's such a rarity to fully surprise
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someone like that, to tie something intogether, but those two
are incredible like what they think of. It's also it
feels so like fresh while still feeling very much in
line of like what's happening like in the horror genre
as a whole. So I'm just on on board for
whatever they're going to do next. Have you been watching
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anything else on television?
Speaker 3 (37:50):
And I've been watching the New Alien Earth show, but
I gotta say I have a lot of issues with it.
I don't know if really an Alien fan, but I
really love the Alien franchise and the show. I just
feel like they really tried to shoehorn in like teens
as hard as they could, and I wasn't super happy
with the explanation. And I feel like a problem that
(38:13):
I have with a lot of modern writing in TV
and movies is the characters actions don't really make sense
with the development and what you're told about the characters.
Like in the New Alienare's show, they you know, it's
not really a spoiler because in the first effen so
they explained that they put children's minds into synthetic bodies,
(38:37):
and then they're talking about them. They say that these
synthetic bodies don't have the impulses of humans. You know,
they're not human anymore. They're like some kind of hybrid
with like synthetic mental abilities, but they still have the
child's brain and they're not sure how it's going to develop.
Speaker 7 (38:55):
So I thought that was really interesting.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
But then the rest of the show so far, they
proceed to act like regular teenage kids without any kind
of there's They're not displaying any like improvements or heightened
reasoning or memory or communication. They are written like children completely,
just like children, And I just think that's so inconsistent,
(39:22):
and I'm just it's been kind of.
Speaker 7 (39:25):
The main source of drama too, like a lot.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
It's a lot about the old generation manipulating and kind
of discarding the new generation for their own benefit, which
I understand that like metaphor, but I just think that
the way that it's written is kind of convenient, and
I wish that they had fleshed out the kid's characters
a little bit better and made them a little bit
(39:50):
more intelligent.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Fair So, have you seen episode five yet?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
No?
Speaker 7 (39:55):
No four was the last episode I saw.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Okay, I feel like, as an alien fan, you're gonna
love episode five. I don't want to give too much away.
It's been out for a few days, but I saw
six the first six episodes early. Okay, so I've been
sitting with them for a while. I see what you
mean about the kids. I guess I took it as
their consciousness was never going to just like automatically evolve,
(40:18):
that they were just going to be kids in this
like Invincible Exco Exoseleton, I guess. And that's and obviously
there's like a very obvious Peter Pan allegory, but this
show's kind of the reverse where it's never grow up,
but this show is constantly trying to push them to
grow up too fast in a very like insanely violent,
(40:41):
crazy world that's kind of way too much. And I
guess it's like the whole Like obviously, Aliens always about
the corporate overlord. That's that's the big bad of the
Alien franchise. And I think what I loved that this
show does is that, unlike some of the Alien movies,
and I love the Alien Aliens and then Romulus, I
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really like to mostly because they focus I mean, Alien
kind of hides the corporate thing until the end. But
what this show does is that it wears it right
on its sleeve. And I like the fact that they
kind of try to humanize the aliens, not even just
this enomorph, but all of the new weird alien species,
(41:24):
and to the fact that like they're like what they're
doing maybe very violent, but it's like that's what they
were created to do, and they're just doing what they're
meant to create. And I like the fact that they're
they're kind of being like, yeah, greed Incorporation is the villain,
not everyone else. But I think basically episode five is
(41:44):
a flashback episode and it's almost like a recreation of
Alien one.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
Basically, Oh nice, Like it does I guess.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
I'm guessing it goes back to what happened on the
ship at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
Okay, yeah, that sounds interesting. I mean, I keep watching.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
I think the most interesting part are the creatures, you know,
the xenomorphs, the new creatures they've introduced that I think
is a really interesting idea. And I think Timothy Elephant's
been really good too as the leads since so there's
definitely qualities of the show. I like, there's things I
take issue too, but it's it's very entertaining still, you know, like,
(42:26):
even if there's things I'm not digging about it, it's
got high entertainment value for me. And I think the
xenomorphs stuff's been done really well. I know I've seen
like criticism of the special effects, but I really haven't
felt like they've been terrible.
Speaker 7 (42:41):
I've enjoyed them.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah, I've actually I've actually been so impressed with how
cinematic a TV show can look. Because obviously there's a
lot of high bunch of TV shows on now that's
not a new thing, but this one truly looks like
a movie. But it's just an and big shout out
our long episodes, like true, our long episodes. Big shout
(43:06):
out to that because I guess Noah Holly. I write
about TV for Collider, so I do a lot of
research on this stuff. And Noah Holly likes to do
ten episode seasons, right. Yeah. And the show Legion that's
actually an X Men show, but it's the most unex
Men show you'll ever watch. It's incredible and super fucking
(43:27):
weird and trippy. So he wanted to do this intent,
but budgetary wise, they're like, you can do eight and
from how this show looks I get it. And the
xenomorph is a dude in a suit, and they have
one is like a full like animatronic like thing. So
it's like even the Xenomore stuff's pretty practical for the
most part, which is it looks amazing, Like it looks
(43:49):
really really good. I think some people have said it
doesn't look slimy, like that's such a wild Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
I think it looks fun. I think they looked great too.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, And I think you'll really like episode fuck then,
because like it's like straight up and homage to one
but very different because for one, there's so many different creatures.
And I think I think Noah Holly succeeded in what
Ridley Scott. I would don't even want to see fail
that because I don't think that was the point of
the movie. But he adds so much character Death to Morrow,
(44:24):
the cyborg that we've seen obviously like the sole survivor
of the ship that crashes. They add a lot to
his character and kind of recontextualizes what his character is
for this series and kind of textualize Wayla Newtani as well.
And there's a big reveal in this episode plot wise
(44:45):
that makes sense why they moved it to where it is,
because obviously they could have easily just put this in
the beginning of the series and played it out like that.
But even Holly said, if we did that, then it
would just be Alien. Everyone think the whole show is
just Alien recreated. I didn't want that because that's not
what the show is. So it is very smartly put
in here, especially after episode four it ends in that
(45:06):
wild Cliffhanmer with with Wendy talking to the fucking Xenomorph,
which is fucking crazy. And I know he's he said
he's planned for multiple seasons of this. Uh if it
does well, which a lot of people are talking about this,
and I think it dethroned Netflix and like the highest
streamed like series, and I think Netflix has held that
title for like last like eleven weeks and Alien Earth
(45:28):
topped it. So I would have to imagine this is
definitely going to get renewed for at least a second season,
I hope. So yeah, So I'm just so interested to
see where it goes because it's two years before the
events of Alien and I feel like they're going to
tie into them, like calling them a Stroma and being like, no,
you have to go to to you know, LV four
(45:48):
two six or whatever, you know, Like I feel like
that's gonna happen within the show, which I think is
really exciting to feel something because it's like, as cool
as the only franchise is the only thing that's really
connected between them is Ripley. You know, a lot of
them span decades or hundreds of years, so it's there's
not a lot that kind of feel cohesive as far
as like, you know, interconnecting things. And I think that's
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another thing I've respected with the show is that building
out like the lore of the corporations in the Earth,
which obviously has never been talked about ever. So I
was like, Oh, that's really interesting, Like that's such an
interesting thing to be able to explore because like obviously
when people hear Alien Earth are like, what they're gonna
go to Earth? That's you know, everything's in space. So
it's been it's been a cool journey. I'm very excited
(46:32):
because I I don't know how it ends. There's two
episodes I haven't seen, and I'm.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Just thinking that's one of the commendable things about the
show is that it has the guts to the world
build and take it to new directions and flesh out
some things that weren't even It's not like in New
Star Wars where it's like this is where they met,
this is the Lightsaber. It's like creating and exploring new
(46:57):
concepts that are within the universe and things that I
hadn't even really thought of before. And I think that's
really cool. Like I said, I have some issues with
some of the logistics, but as far as the overall
direction of the show and where they're going and what
they're like building with the world, I think it's really
(47:18):
cool and that keeps me watching and engaged and I
want to see what they where they go with all
this stuff, Like they've introduced new aliens and new group
of hybrids that you know, had no idea was a
thing even between Blade Renner or Alien, and it's like, Okay,
this is good, this is I'm starting new territory. And
(47:40):
that's not something a lot of shows are doing now.
It's like a lot of retreads and rehashes, and this
show's taking the developed concepts and taking them in a
new direction. And that's probably the bravest thing that I
think the show does. And I really appreciate that Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Is right. It's so funny you mentioned that because I
did watch a legacy sequel horror movie this week. Also,
I've been trying to catch up on twenty twenty five movies,
so I watched I know you did last summer, the
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
I haven't seen that one, you, but I've seen the
original one hundred times.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
It's so hard in a world where like the Scream
legacy sequels exist or twenty years Later just came out
this year where that like I feel like, redefined what
a legacy sequel can be. Like it relies on zero
percent nostalgia, tells its own thing within the same world,
and like even like Found This Nation, Blood Lives came
(48:38):
out this year, which I thought was really fun and
actually like a pretty good movie, and that one focuses
in like the legacy character in that is Tony Todd,
That that delivers a beautiful monologue within that movie, which
was not expecting but so so good. And I think
the strength of that and the strength of the screen
movies too, are they relied on the new cast to
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lead the story and kind of the nostalgic characters are
there and they kind of help a little bit, and
I know Your Last Summer does that too, but man,
do some of those characters have the worst lines to
deliver within this movie. They just feel so like boiler plate,
Like I think you can see one in the trailer.
It just feels so like a nostalgia bait and not
(49:22):
a good way.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
But I think that's what's turned me off of watching
it so far, because I haven't seen any and I'm
a huge fan of the first one, so I now
I'm going to get around to.
Speaker 7 (49:33):
It, but I was kind of putting it off.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, there's some fun to be had with it, for sure,
but I left pretty disappointed and I think diehard. I
know Your Last Summer fans are going to be very mad,
but something they do something where you're like, oh, wow, okay, okay,
And I remember some people being like, some people are
gonna have some feelings about how this one goes, and
(49:57):
I can definitely understand why. But the strong point was
the new cast of characters, which they kind of get
overshadowed by the nostalgic characters eventually, which is kind of
a bummer. I think it's better when they kind of,
you know, reboot this stuff and let those people shine,
you know.
Speaker 7 (50:13):
And yeah, I don't think did a pretty good job
of that.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
Even though they incorporated the old ones, the new Scream
movies are pretty fun, and even though I think they
did do it a little dirty, they did in corporation
of the old characters, didn't really overshadow the new ones.
And they let the new ones do their thing and
had pretty good actors put in those positions.
Speaker 7 (50:36):
So I thought those pretty much delivered.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, yeah, and oh yeah.
Speaker 7 (50:40):
And then also the new.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Final destination, I thought that was great, even the little
like you said, the little monologue Tony gave, which apparently
he you know, wrote himself, and part of doing the scene,
you know, because it was like the last thing he
was going to do was he wanted to be able to,
you know, say something, and the heartfelt and I feel
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like even just that scene give the movie a little
bit of heart and a little bit of weight. And
I also love the actor from the show The one
hundred who played the one of the cousins. He's just
really good. I like seeing him and stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah that I saw that one. I went to the
theater alone to watch that one because because I remember
the first two Found listenations being such like like you
cannot drive behind a log truck enough, the utter anxiety
because of the second movie, you know. So it's it's
such like a pop culture Touchsdowne and probably so many
of our lives that I was like, Okay, I'm going
(51:37):
to rewatch the whole series. I think some of the
last ones I never saw, which some of them are.
I think four is pretty bad, but it's in that
it's in that perfect kind of part of the two
thousands where everyone started using CGI and they used it
in very terrible ways, and that movie is the pinnacle
of that. But like I mentioned, yes, being scene is
(52:00):
kind of wild just because it's so utterly ridiculous. It
is easily the most ridiculous opening scene. But five, the
ending of five blew my mind because I did not
know the ending of five, and I was like, wow,
that's a twist.
Speaker 7 (52:16):
Good for them.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
And the opening that one's pretty good. The bridge one
that's that was a pretty pretty good opening too. I
mean they're all pretty good, but that one.
Speaker 7 (52:24):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
The first two were like legitimately pretty damn good, and
the third and fourth I almost consider a little bit
more comedies, but they're still great and then the fifth, Like,
I feel like they tried to bring it a little
back to the quality of one and two, and they
did a mixed job, but I still love it. Yeah,
that's that series, as silly as the concept is, has
(52:48):
been pretty strong for horror series, I think.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, yeah, I And they're making another one. The new
one crushed and people really liked it, so they're they're
making one, which is crazy because John Watts, the director
of the Tom Holland Spider Man trilogy, I think, helped
write part of that movie. He some of that. I
know he was a driving force behind it, which is
kind of cool. It's fun. I'm excited to see what
(53:15):
they do next, especially with the way this one ended.
I'm like, where are they gonna go? I don't know.
I know the girl from two is still.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
Alive, Okay, well, then yeah they should.
Speaker 7 (53:22):
They should bring her back.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
And there's been there's been theories that Devin SAWA's character,
the main character from one, is still alive somehow, even
though they kill him off in two. But if they
brought him back somehow, I think it'd be okay with it.
I'd be okay with that.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Yeah, that would be awesome. I mean he's been in
things here and there. I thought he was great in
the fucked up John Travolta movie like The Fanatic or
I forget what it's called, but oh yeah, that's where
John travolt is a super fan of Devin Salwa's character,
who's like a Hollywood actor, and it gets really weird.
Speaker 7 (53:55):
But it's funny.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
That movie's directed by Fred Durnst and there's a part
in it where Devin saw was like with his son
listening to the radio and he's like, oh yeah, limp Biscuit,
this is the ship right here, this band, So it's
like an ad for Limbiscuit in the movie directed by
friend Durst.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
It's so silly, that's insane. I did not have directed movies.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (54:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
His first movie I think he directed was like a
children's film about like a sports kids movie.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Shocks me as well, that's crazy. I need to watch
this movie now.
Speaker 7 (54:25):
Oh yeah, that's a recommendation for sure.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Oh I'm gonna watch this. I need.
Speaker 7 (54:31):
Saying that. I mean, is his character, his performances, it's
a must watch.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
I wonder if that's like a weird meta thing, because
wasn't Devin Sawa stan in the eminem video Stan. Oh
shit now and now it's the opposite way around. That's
not true.
Speaker 7 (54:50):
Yeah, full circle.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah, there's that's wild. Wow. Well thanks for that recommendation.
That's that's good. I'm going to think about that one
for a while with a fanatic Red Durst.
Speaker 7 (55:01):
Yes, yeah, you got to check it out.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Amazing, dude, Thank you so much for doing this. This
was a blast.
Speaker 7 (55:07):
Yeah, thank you man. I love talking movies anytime.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Amazing. Before get out here, please let the people know
where they can find you. What Dance Dance has got
going on.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Yeah, we just finished the big tour up and we
got our new record, Pantheon, coming out on the eleventh
of September. We put a ton of work into it,
and we're always trying to push ourselves to write the
best start and to be authentic and not you know,
sell out to what we think people want to hear.
And if you appreciate that, you know, kind of heavy
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post hardcore, that kind of experiment with different genres and
tries different things, then give us a listen.
Speaker 6 (55:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
I will always commend Dance Given Dance for being such
like a cool I say weird as a compliment because
I think being weird is the coolest thing you can
do and unique band to kind of hit a really
cool like it's like guist of like popularity. That's always
cool to see bands not compromise themselves and still continue
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to get popular. So kudos for that. That's always the
coolest thing to see, especially in counterculture and this kind
of music though. Congrass on that. Congrats on the new
album and all the success that will continue to cover
your way I am, I am very sure if you
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What's Up Very oneable the most pot top podcast. We
welcome for some metal core Nerds. Through each episode, I
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we explore their love of pop culture. I'm ero Shan
Mott and my co host of this episode is will
of Dance Gavin Dance. Welcome to the Show's up. How's
it going good man? How about you?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I'm doing really good today. Yeah, just been writing some
music and that's always a fun time.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Hell yeah, that's awesome. That's good to hear. Love love
to hear that. We're gonna get a little bit too
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into the pop culture talk, we're gonna kick off the
show like we do every single episode. Well, the Metal
Core Nerds Song of the Week and as long a
Week this week is from the band What Lies Below.
This is their latest single Void.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Hello, okay, this is the place of chosen. Watch any story.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Silences, Les say serious, I know by that's outside of God.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
O th baby, how God got lie?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Why don't jig blow.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Gie A right coming up?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I say, said, jobs, this is choosing.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Try last, I pay jobs by job as dis way
out from God.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Just go right out about a burger job, go straw
right to us jaw and want for chi short shoulders stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Job shout di.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Su try right out Roger right.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
I'm tulling y said, it is not in China. This
is a place of Joe jolly jelly. So why Tiger,
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why shut up your follow line? Shoot shoot shoot.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Try my lad try that jobs gout, I'm shine.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Let's across the low.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Again. That was what lies below with their latest single
Void alone. Of course, for more music recordations, you can
check out the note point where it's pull is Spotify Playlists.
I update it daily. You can find the direct link
in the show notes below. Now Will Dancing Dance is
a new album. By the time this drops will be out,
so that's exciting obviously. Now this is the first full
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length with Andrew fully on vocals, and I want to
know for this album in particular, and I kind of
as the band has continued to progress, how has the
songwriting approach for this album and each album as you've
went along throughout the band evolved.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You know, it's constantly changing, and we're always experimenting with
different processes for writing, you know, whether it's me starting
songs us we're starting songs in practice, somebody sending riffs
back and forth like we like to try and mix
it up, and I think that gives us different outcomes
as well, so that it keeps it fresh and we're
not just doing the same thing and approaching things the
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same way every time. I'd say the biggest change on
this record was vocally. It was really collaborative. We wrote
almost all the vocals while we were on the Falling
Reverse tour last year where we had a lot of
time because we weren't headlining, So me, John Andrew would
sit in the back lounge of the bus and just
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go over the instrumentals that we had already worked out
and kind of all just try to write was coolest
and collaborate on song meanings. And this record ends up
I think being the most cohesive lyrically thematically of any
record we've done. Because of that collaboration, So it was
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really exciting to be a part of that and to
be able to help vocals and a way that I
haven't before.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
So yeah, it was pretty new and I think that
turned out awesome.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I'm so happy with the way that this record just
like really makes a lot of sense, and I think
that fans will appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
That's super cool. Do you think that collaboration was so
easy because you already kind of had like a language
of music with Andrew because he played guitar and everything
like that. Do you think it just like that you
guys combining on now and vocally that was just already there.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, And I think that everybody was just in the
right headspace and we were just vibing really well off
of each other, and everyone was really open the you know,
kind of left our egos at the door and it's like,
let's do what makes sense for the song and this,
you know, the song is king and you know, put
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ourselves aside, and at the end, I think that the
final product really reflects that.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, that's that's the biggest thing with songwriting. I feel
like a lot of people, I guess it's hard too,
because you know, you can get self conscious in playing
music in general. So if someone comes with a oh hey,
that part isn't as good, it's not like a personal thing. Again,
song is king. So I love hearing a band of
your colber saying something what seems can seem so trivial
(08:26):
and simple like that really is the key to all
of songwriting. Is that that that needs to come first.
That's awesome, that's really cool to hear.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, I think that's hard to maintain too. I mean,
lots of bands and even any kind of creatives end
up kind of parting ways over creative differences. I'd say
that's one of the main reasons. And everybody wants to
really take ownership of their contribution. But it's not easy,
especially when you've been doing something for a really long time,
to take criticism and be like, all right, you know,
(08:59):
I like it, you guys, don't, let's figure something else
that everyone likes.
Speaker 7 (09:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
It's it's easier said than done. But I'm really glad
that we have a group of dudes that is capable
of that.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Switching into pop culture. I know you're a big manage
of the gathering guy. I saw you have a Stanley
Kubrick sleeve. So obviously pop culture is the thing you
hold near and endeared your heart. But I want to
go to the beginning. What was like the defining moment
that got you into pop culture, whether it was a
kid a young adult, Like, what was that.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Definitely as a kid, I had a really big family
and we'd go to family functions. My parents would, you know,
go with the adults and I'd go with the kids.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
But I was kind of one of the.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Younger ones the generations, so they'd be watching horror movies
and things that I probably shouldn't have been exposed to
but was, and it freaked me out, but it ended
up creating a huge fascination, Like being shown things like
Nightmare on Elm Street and The of the Body Snatchers.
It's a really conceptual things, you know, scared me but
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also just opened my mind to a lot of possibilities
and we're really fascinating at the same time. So definitely
kind of had me grow up with a real grounding
and enjoyment for sci fi and horror, which then kind
of just became a love of film. And movies were
always a big part of my life and I watched
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a lot of movies in my room growing up, and
it was like an escape and also a mentor in
ways to learn from. And you know, that's not part
of the generation that was raised by a television And
I'm just lucky that a lot of the stuff that
I was exposed to and that I enjoyed was stuff
(10:50):
that I still enjoy now, and it was very high
quality and kind of formed my love for pop culture.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Definitely some stuff I loved growing up that I've revisited
as an adult that have gone both ways where I
was like, oh wow, that still is really good, and
stuff I'm like, that is not how I remembered it
when I was a kid.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Yeah, that happens.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
But I think there was a kind of golden age
in the nineties, especially for children's cartoons. I mean growing
up on Oh yeah, X Men and Spider Man, and
there was just so many good shows that I can
still go back to and enjoy it as an adult.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah. Admittedly, before X Men ninety seven came out a
few years ago, I tried to go back and rewatch
X Men and I could not do it. It was
not hitting the same. But X Men ninety seven I
thought was pretty incredible. I don't know if you checked
that out, but I was honestly shocked of how good
that show was. I'm a big like Marvel guy, but
(11:47):
I was like, oh, yeah, this thing I loved when
I was a kid, is you know, kind of getting
this like legacy sequel. Obviously, I'm going to watch it
just for nostalgia's sake. And then I could not believe
the story again. I was like, Wow, this is this
is good stuff.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I mean it's a little bit soap opry when you
go back and watch old ones, but yeah, X Men
and Spider Man are probably my favorite and still favorite superheroes,
and I grew up on them and I own all
the Chris Claremont run of X Men comics from the
beginning of his taking it over to the end.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
So I'm a huge fan of those X Men's storylines.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And I love that they just kind of picked from
comics and they they did a decent job in the
in the you know show from the nineties of making
it digestible for little me, and you know, now, I
definitely appreciate the depth of the writing in the comics.
It's definitely a cut above a lot of other comics.
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I guess with just Chris Claremont's you know, literary background
being I'm pretty sure he was an English major, but
he Yeah, he just wrote those comics with such a
depth of character and analysis of thought that I can
always go back to those.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, it's crazy what X Men does in general, of
just there's so many characters and they all have their
own kind of trauma or character arcs they go through
and it still somehow works. I want to get to
Magic the Gathering. I know, I know you're a big
Magic the Gathering guy. I know little to nothing about
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Magic the Gathering. So I want this to kind of
be like a sell the world on Magic the Gathering.
And I know that's not gonna be hard for a
lot of people, but I've always kind of been interested
in it, but intimidated by kind of the breath of it.
There's so much like lore, and you need the knowledge
to build the decks, then you need the knowledge to
play it. But what got you into Magic the Gathering
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in the first place.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Actually, it was our tour manager, Gino. He's been playing
for like twenty years and he was with us for
a good three or four years as our tour manager
for DGD and I had no idea that he played
at all. I think he kind of hit it, you know,
because it's not the It wasn't the coolest thing. But
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I saw him playing at one point when he hadswer
free time, and I, you know, just walked over.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I was like, what is this?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And he offered to show me the game, and I
bought a little pre conduc and tried and it was
a lot of it was way over my head, but
it just seemed like it could be a lot of
fun if I understood it, so I stuck with it.
I got to say, there's a learning curve for sure
that it takes like maybe four or five games to
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be like all right, I know what I'm doing kind of,
but once you get a hang of it, Yeah, it's
a lot of fun. Coming from like a guy who
enjoys chess and strategy games. It's kind of strategy on
a really deep level, with so many variables and different
ways that you can go about playing. And I've been
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playing for about three years now and I still feel
like I'm constantly learning and opening up new levels of
understanding to where I'm like, oh, this is this is
how this works. I've been doing this totally wrong, and
I have that epiphany like every few months playing Magic,
So it's kind of like a really deep hole to
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go down. And if you're into strategy and yeah, just
complex games, it's one of the best I've found.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
Now I'm definitely an.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Addict, but there's just so much to learn, and there's
so many factions too, Like I know that they've started
doing these Universes Beyond sets where they team up with
different ips, like they've done Doctor Who, They're doing Spider
Man pretty soon, which is right up my alley. And
then there's people who have been playing for like a
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few decades who are really into just the Lord that
they've built with the characters Magic's created. And there's you know,
people who really want the old old schools only, people
who like the new Universes Beyond and don't care for
the old Magic stuff. There's people who kind of like
it all. I never was married to the original stuff,
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so I don't mind the universes beyond. Being a new player.
Some of that stuff's kind of fun to me. But
I also really appreciate the lore they've built, and I've
been trying to learn that. So there's just so much there,
and it's all really quality and interesting. So, you know,
learning the game and learning the lore, it feels like
a journey that I'm constantly on and it's a lot
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of fun. It's like you're unraveling a mystery.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Right yeah, that's see. Even you explain that like doesn't
make it any less intimidating. I might might have made
it more.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Man, I've been timidated. I've been playing for three years.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Because I have some friends that play it too, and
they've kind of sort of explained it to me, and
I'm like, and I as soon as you said the
thing about the new and the old, I remember them
talking about that, and I was because they were like,
oh yeah, there's like there's like two ways you can
play it. There's like an old school way in a
new school way, And like I was gonna ask you,
I was like, yeah, isn't there like different ways of
playing it? And you explained it all right there. I
did see some of the Spider Man collabs ones. There's
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a Spider's Man card, which, for anyone who knows doesn't
know what Spider's Man is, it's a collection of spiders
that control a Spider Man costume. It's a really weird,
kind of deep cut Spider Man character. But it's cool
that they're including stuff like that, Like, that's awesome. Obviously
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they have the people involved in that collaboration are very
knowledgeable from both sides to want to include stuff like that,
And I know a lot of people have been really
stoked on the Marvel clab and stuff like that. I've
heard a lot a lot of hype surrounding that, so
that's really really cool. Who do you play with? Usually?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
You know, they have shops that you can just go
play with random people. You have some friends in town
who I just go to those with and we just
challenge whoever we meet, and it's a it's a cool
way to meet people too, and yeah, you might end
up finding people that you want to play with regularly.
So it's very social. And most of the things I do,
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like music, film, are kind of isolated activities, so Magic's
been a little bit more of a branching out kind
of thing where you do put yourself out there a
little bit and it's it's that's kind of a fun
part of.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
It as well.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Have you played it on tour at all?
Speaker 7 (18:28):
Yeah, so much.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I mean, we just did a tour with the home
team and all of them, but they're singer Brian play.
So I mean every day that we had free time
and could them and the guys in our crew who
play would get together, we'd have like multiple pods of
four as far as the most you can do in Commander,
like the most social version of magic. So yeah, we
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were playing just constantly. There's tons of fun.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
That's so sick. So you can like you can like
develop a squad like where you're on like the same
team kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I mean, it's totally open. When you're playing Commander. It's
everyman for themselves. Okay, okay, there's only one winner, but
if somebody at the tables running things, you know, the
other people can team up on them. It could become
one on three or there's so many ways to go
about it because there's the game of the rules, but
then there's also the politics of the table and trying
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to make alliances or you know, arrangements with different players
like you don't attack me and take my guy out,
I'll help you get these rid of these guys. And
you know, you have to be able to talk with
people who negotiate as well.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
That's so fascinating. So have you got into some heated
like matches, you know, not.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Really because you kind of have to have a sense
of humor about it.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
And I mean you could play to like want to
win every game, which you do, but I think a
lot more of the goal for me is to try
and get my deck to do something cool or or
do like the work the way it's supposed to work.
And even if you lose, you learn a little bit
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and you can take that to maybe augment your deck
and make it work a little better.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
So it's just constantly like a testing.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
So playing the games, you're almost like always testing your
decks and seeing if you can tune them up. Or
if you don't even care about winning that much and
just want to do something silly.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
You can do that as well.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
What's an example of something silly you can do?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I mean there's combos and things that you can try
to pull off, or you if there's a card that
creates like a bunch of copies of something and you
just happen to be able to do that and pull
off I'm making a bunch of copies of something stupid,
but at the whole table, could you know find it
funny and you might not win, but you could have
fun losing.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, it does seem like a game very much. I
can be a pretty competitive person. I like playing board
games among friends, but not ones like easy, like Cards
against Humanity or anything like that. There's this there's a
Blockbuster game where you it's like you pick like five
cards or something, and then you pick the three cards
(21:12):
for the other team and they have to It's it's
like one is like charades basically, but you can't say anything.
You acted out. One is like one word and another
one I think it's like a phrase or something, and
you you have like a timer. It's like thirty seconds
to see how many you can get right. That's a
big fun one that one can get pretty uh, pretty
(21:32):
heated sometimes but also hilarious because the act it one
is just it's so hard, especially with some of the
movies they have listed. There's a similar there's an MTV
game which is very similar.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
It's it's all like famous songs and stuff like that.
So those are kind of like our go to. It's like,
I always would love to do something like that, like
like a magic or even like D and D or something,
but it's usually a thing where it's like we play
for like a half an hour or an hour and
then it's over. It can't be like it's like, you know,
there's so much work goes into some of the stuff
setting it up and then understanding the rules and then
(22:05):
having everyone else understand the rules, where I don't know,
maybe one day even the friends I know that that
do it, I feel like they would welcome me into it.
But I think it's like weird imposter syndrome of like
even if I did get started and like a new guy,
and it's like I don't want them to treat me different,
but then you also want to keep up with everyone.
It's a lot, a lot to try and tackle mentally almost.
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That's so cool. That's cool. You play on tour, That's
that's awesome. I love hearing what bands like do on tour.
That's like not the norm you know, like obviously you go,
you load in, you whatever, you know, there's the normal
normality of tour. But I love hearing things like that. Again,
I know you're a movie lover, as we've obviously covered.
(22:47):
Is that a thing you try to do on tour
as well? Go to the movies?
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Actually, we try to do movies on days off.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
A lot of the times.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Also, I will, you know, log in on our bus
to my film apps, and a lot of times I
like to show the other guys movies and things that
I think they like that I've discovered, because I, you know,
watch a ton of stuff. So yeah, I feel like
I'm kind of often the one who's like, you got
(23:15):
to see this, and you know, show people older movies,
newer movies, just whatever I think's cool and well, you know,
sometimes really trippy stuff too, to just mess with the dudes.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
The worst recommendation I gave to someone in Worse Buy,
I knew exactly what I was doing. There was a
band locally that when I was in college, I would
I would hang out. I would go to their band practice,
and then we'd hang out after usually watch movies, get
pizza or whatever. And the last one before I moved
back home after I after I graduated, I showed them
The Anti Christ and I've already watched it. Oh jeez,
(23:53):
So I was like, guys, guys, we all watched this movie.
And if no one's seen The Anti Christ, there's some
pretty wild scenes of it.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
That's all I'm gonna say, yeah, is pretty mussed up. Yeah, yeah, normal. No,
nothing Large Bontier does is normal. I do like a
lot of his stuff. And yeah, our bass player actually
brings up every once in a while when I showed
him the House that Jack Belt, which is another Large
Bontier movie that's super fucked up, and he just I
(24:21):
think it started him.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It was so funny because, like, you know, we were
like saying our goodbyes and we didn't see elther forever.
I'd live in the same time I went to college now,
But it was just like such a weird moment. End
that like chapter of her friendship. They're like, oh, well,
remind us never less that you recommend a movie ever again,
see you later. I guess. So. Is there been like
a super weird movie you've showed the band that They're like,
(24:44):
what the fuck was that?
Speaker 7 (24:46):
All kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I'd say one of my favorites in the last few
years was a movie called Under the Silver Lake, and
that movie definitely perplexes everybody, but I've probably watched it
like ten times now. I just thought it was so
interesting and goes all over the place. I'm a big
fan of the weird for sure, but I like everything.
(25:07):
I want anything just to see if there's something to
take from it.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, same here. I sci fi is probably my favorite.
A big fan of horror, and but I'll watch anything
because I just it's I love seeing what something has
something to offer. And I feel like every piece of
medium kind of or like genre or whatever kind of
has its place in the world because like I love
(25:34):
a good, shut off your brain kind of dumb movie
to watch sometimes, but then I also love one that
like you just think about for weeks on end and
you just can't stop thinking about it to the point
where you're like obsessing over it. So it's like, yeah,
I'm very much the same way, where it's like I
just like consuming whatever it is. And then that goes
for music and everything too. It's I and then I
(25:56):
always love the same people, like going to people who
have seen the same thing and like just seeing what
they thought of it, even if it's completely different. I
love hearing like the like how stuff affects people differently
and what they took from something compared to what I
took from something, And I kind of love We're in
this new era of certain kinds of stuff where the
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people creating this are more vague about their answers of
stuff to because I think like film and TV are
made to elicit a reaction in a response out of
whoever it is that views it, and that's a big
part of the thing. And I feel like too many
(26:37):
people are obsessed with getting everything answered, and it's such
a thing. It's the thing I think about constantly because
they're like, oh, I didn't like this movie because they
didn't answer X question. And I can't really say what
they're saying is wrong because for their opinion it's not.
But at the same time, I'm like, well, yeah, I
don't think it needs to be answered, because you know,
(27:00):
if the questions left answered didn't take away from the plot,
and that's fine. And there's definitely both on both sides.
There's stuff I've seen round like they could have fleshed
that out a little bit more. That's a little different.
But I'm so fascinated by people's kind of need to
have everything answered lately.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, for sure, I think that's something I really appreciate about.
Like you could even take Kubrick. You know, he's probably
my favorite director. Some of his movie I mean, his
movies kind of all explore the dark side of humanity
in a different way. They're almost all horror movies in
some kind of way, but like two thousand and one,
(27:38):
you know that movie has got a lot of room
for interpretation, and especially the ending, and that you know
there is like it doesn't make sense. But I feel
like part of the fun of that kind of stuff
is that it leaves you with big questions that not
all questions are answerable, so things that make you think
and that you could think and try to interpret yourself.
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It expands your brain and your way of thinking without
needing to know exactly what the artists meant. And then
the other side of that, while creating our sometimes you'll
leave lyrics especially vague, and people will be like, I
don't know what this means. It's just gibberish. It's like, no,
it's not. But it's just meant to make you think
(28:23):
or just put something in a way that I understand.
But you can interpret and think of it however you want,
and I won't say it's wrong. It's just how you
feel about it. So, yeah, the art can affect different
people differently, and then the way that we perceive it,
and then we can discuss it and learn more about
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ourselves than each other through the way that we perceive
our I think that's a really cool thing about it.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, it's a I think it's the most beautiful thing
about like expression of art in any form is the
discussion after you consume that thing. It's like been the
most fun thing about this because my biggest goal with
this show was to not only I guess, bring together
people that you know, didn't know these people were like
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X person is into this or X person is into that.
And then kind of because for a long time, like
being a quote unquote nerd was you know, kind of
frowned upon, I guess, and now like being a nerd
is cool, I guess whatever. You know, like we've said,
like you know, we both grew up on nineties you know,
comic cartoons, Like it's kind of always been there, and
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a lot of the people wind up connecting with whether
it's on the podcast or outside talking about things podcasts
related all had similar things and that's just a beautiful
thing to have, you know, and it's all those people
who are usually involved in music too, So it's it's
cool to see those worlds melt. That's been the coolest
thing about this is to have people be more open
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about this stuff and be able to have something to
talk about like that, because there's definitely been people too
where there like yeah, I have like no one to
really talk about this stuff with. And it's like, it's
cool to see that, you know, that gap shortened and
create like a voice to have and share those feelings
with each other. So you said you watch a lot
of stuff. What do you watching that.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
I'd say the thing that was the most impacting that
I watched recently was bringing her back that horror film.
It was pretty dark and you know, just had some
kind of gut wrenching moments that usually I've done as
effectively as they did it. So I was impressed with
how they were able to pull off a lot of
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stuff the very ending.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
I don't have you seen it.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
So here's the thing people have been telling me, I
love talk to me. It's the same writer director Duo
did that too, And I was stoked to watch this.
It was only in theaters for like a very short time.
I missed it in theaters, so I was very bummed
about it. And so I've just been kind of like
waiting to watch it. I guess and then I've had
so many people be like, you need to watch this movie.
(31:00):
And then I saw that your wonderful publicist Becky mentioned
that you've seen it, so I was like, I'm going
to watch it. I watched it yesterday, and let me
tell you, I don't think I've had a movie mentally
affect me as much as this movie in a really
long time in the way that this movie creates such
an atmosphere of dread and uneasiness without even really doing anything.
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And there's a few scenes that are like pretty gross,
but like from the jump, you just feel like icky
watching it, and that to me is something that's so impressive.
And I was like, whatever these dudes do, I will
be there. Hey, we'll be there. I'll all say, is
the knife scene, Jesus, I don't think that. And it's
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obviously the visuals of that is brutal, but it's the sound.
The sound was the worst part for me. I'm like,
oh my God, and I think it's gonna be imprintsied
my brain forever. So I watched it yesterday. But yes,
you're gonna say.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I thought it was pretty damn good, and yeah, I agree,
it had I think that horror relies so much on
jump scares nowadays, which I can enjoy a lot of
jump scares stuff. I'm not like sure totally against it,
but when atmosphere and dread are like really played up
and done well, there's just no substitute for that as
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far as like real horror goes. In my opinion, I
think that movie really nailed that. Yeah, I'd say the
only criticism that I really have of it is the ending.
I wanted it to just go through with kind of
what they were building up to instead of kind of
a little bit of a twist that they had. I
guess i'd say spoilers right now, but just at the ending,
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you know, when the girl kind of yells out the
other lady lets her go, I kind of felt like
that was kind of like Batman versus Superman Donna Justice
moment where it's like Martha, you know, he just kind
of I was like, come on, Like, after all the
stuff that's happened up to this point, just that wouldn't
stop her. So I thought that was kind of dumb,
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and I instantly was taken back to that moment in
that moment, But other than that, I thought the movie
was just brilliant.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah me too. I Yeah, I loved the movie. I
think the ending was probably the weakest part. But there's
something to it that also made me think as the
more I thought about, because I remember, I think I
reround the scene a couple of times because I was like, wait,
what because at first I thought it worked. And again
I'll mark in the time codes when we're talking about spoilers,
so if anyone still hasn't watched this movie, you can
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skip ahead to that. So I thought it worked at first,
and then when she runs away, I was like, oh,
it didn't work. And then me thinking about this woman
did all of this fucked up shit because she thought
this weird ritual was gonna work. And obviously some things
were working. That kid she kidnapped, there was something going
on with that kid. Obviously some thing was working in
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some capacity to make them all, you know, whatever was
going on throughout the course of that movie. But then
to the fact that like her grief drove her to
do all this stuff, ruin these other children's lives, completely
kill another children, and was willing to kill a children
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to get her daughter back, and then the fact that
it all didn't work.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Was like, it's hard because they didn't like beat you
over the head with it. It's like such a small moment,
and I can see what you mean with her saying
mom and it does. It is a very Martha moment.
Nothing you mentioned it. That's all I can think about,
and it's kind of making me backfedle this thought. But
the like the fact that she was so obsessive and like,
because that's what this movie about. This movie is about loss,
a loss from all ends of the spectrum, but especially
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the mother and what that loss has driven her to do.
And the fact that she did all of this and
then it did didn't work is so awful. That's like, yes,
the little girl gets away, but holy shit, that's a
pretty dark ending, you know what. And I guess like
the bad guy loses, but like at the end of
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the day, you're like, damn, she did all of that
for nothing, nothing at all.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I mean, even if it went through, I feel like
it would have been like a pet cemetery kind of
thing where you know, it's not gonna be like happy ending.
You know, she'd probably come back all wrong. So whatever
she was leading towards was already flawed. But I just
wanted to see it, you.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Know, No, yeah, for sure, Yeah it it would have
been cool to see, Like, I wonder if there's like
an I wonder if they I'm I'm guessing they probably
thought that there might be like an alternate ending out
there somewhere. I'll have to research that and see if
there is one out there. I'm stoked for talk to
Me too, that's coming. I know they I think they
I don't know if they wrote two scripts or they
just had two ideas, because they were like, we're either
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going to continue where the first one left off, or
they're gonna tell another story just in the universe. And
there has been like I think they've hinted that the
like bring Her Back and Talk to Me existed in
the same world. So it would be cool to see
the tapes like revisited in some way, shape or form,
because like, they don't say anything about the tapes. You
just see some scenes with them, and you're kind of like,
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I guess there's some weird magic going on and that's
all you got, you know what I mean. Like, so
it'd be cool to like, and I don't I don't
like when horror fully explains things. That's when stuff, because
usually the result isn't as satisfying as you want to be,
Like it never really is, so it would be cool.
But it'd be cool to explore it a little. Like
I mean, the hand is such a fascinating thing from
Talk to Me, Like that's so wild and I don't
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even care if we find out where that came from,
but like, there's obviously a much more like ritualistic explanation
to the hand, and it would be cool to at
least get that with the tapes, you know, of someone
being like, oh, yeah, this is how they work, and
like it would be like even if they did like
a prequel thing of some sort, like in the Talk
to Me universe or whatever, if they just do a
new movie and it comes out and then like it
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ends with someone like handing the tapes to the mother
character or something, that they'd be kind of cool. I
love weird twists like that. It happens ever so often
in horror movies, and I think that's always just such
a clever like split did it obviously, like the fifth
Final Destination movie did it. It's it's just like it
it'd be cool to see something like that happen because
I feel like it's such a rarity to fully surprise
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someone like that, to tie something intogether, but those two
are incredible like what they think of. It's also it
feels so like fresh while still feeling very much in
line of like what's happening like in the horror genre
as a whole. So I'm just on on board for
whatever they're going to do next. Have you been watching
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anything else on television?
Speaker 3 (37:50):
And I've been watching the New Alien Earth show, but
I gotta say I have a lot of issues with it.
I don't know if really an Alien fan, but I
really love the Alien franchise and the show. I just
feel like they really tried to shoehorn in like teens
as hard as they could, and I wasn't super happy
with the explanation. And I feel like a problem that
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I have with a lot of modern writing in TV
and movies is the characters actions don't really make sense
with the development and what you're told about the characters.
Like in the New Alienare's show, they you know, it's
not really a spoiler because in the first effen so
they explained that they put children's minds into synthetic bodies,
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and then they're talking about them. They say that these
synthetic bodies don't have the impulses of humans. You know,
they're not human anymore. They're like some kind of hybrid
with like synthetic mental abilities, but they still have the
child's brain and they're not sure how it's going to develop.
Speaker 7 (38:55):
So I thought that was really interesting.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
But then the rest of the show so far, they
proceed to act like regular teenage kids without any kind
of there's They're not displaying any like improvements or heightened
reasoning or memory or communication. They are written like children completely,
just like children, And I just think that's so inconsistent,
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and I'm just it's been kind of.
Speaker 7 (39:25):
The main source of drama too, like a lot.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
It's a lot about the old generation manipulating and kind
of discarding the new generation for their own benefit, which
I understand that like metaphor, but I just think that
the way that it's written is kind of convenient, and
I wish that they had fleshed out the kid's characters
a little bit better and made them a little bit
(39:50):
more intelligent.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Fair So, have you seen episode five yet?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
No?
Speaker 7 (39:55):
No four was the last episode I saw.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Okay, I feel like, as an alien fan, you're gonna
love episode five. I don't want to give too much away.
It's been out for a few days, but I saw
six the first six episodes early. Okay, so I've been
sitting with them for a while. I see what you
mean about the kids. I guess I took it as
their consciousness was never going to just like automatically evolve,
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that they were just going to be kids in this
like Invincible Exco Exoseleton, I guess. And that's and obviously
there's like a very obvious Peter Pan allegory, but this
show's kind of the reverse where it's never grow up,
but this show is constantly trying to push them to
grow up too fast in a very like insanely violent,
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crazy world that's kind of way too much. And I
guess it's like the whole Like obviously, Aliens always about
the corporate overlord. That's that's the big bad of the
Alien franchise. And I think what I loved that this
show does is that, unlike some of the Alien movies,
and I love the Alien Aliens and then Romulus, I
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really like to mostly because they focus I mean, Alien
kind of hides the corporate thing until the end. But
what this show does is that it wears it right
on its sleeve. And I like the fact that they
kind of try to humanize the aliens, not even just
this enomorph, but all of the new weird alien species,
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and to the fact that like they're like what they're
doing maybe very violent, but it's like that's what they
were created to do, and they're just doing what they're
meant to create. And I like the fact that they're
they're kind of being like, yeah, greed Incorporation is the villain,
not everyone else. But I think basically episode five is
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a flashback episode and it's almost like a recreation of
Alien one.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
Basically, Oh nice, Like it does I guess.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
I'm guessing it goes back to what happened on the
ship at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
Okay, yeah, that sounds interesting. I mean, I keep watching.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
I think the most interesting part are the creatures, you know,
the xenomorphs, the new creatures they've introduced that I think
is a really interesting idea. And I think Timothy Elephant's
been really good too as the leads since so there's
definitely qualities of the show. I like, there's things I
take issue too, but it's it's very entertaining still, you know, like,
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even if there's things I'm not digging about it, it's
got high entertainment value for me. And I think the
xenomorphs stuff's been done really well. I know I've seen
like criticism of the special effects, but I really haven't
felt like they've been terrible.
Speaker 7 (42:41):
I've enjoyed them.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah, I've actually I've actually been so impressed with how
cinematic a TV show can look. Because obviously there's a
lot of high bunch of TV shows on now that's
not a new thing, but this one truly looks like
a movie. But it's just an and big shout out
our long episodes, like true, our long episodes. Big shout
(43:06):
out to that because I guess Noah Holly. I write
about TV for Collider, so I do a lot of
research on this stuff. And Noah Holly likes to do
ten episode seasons, right. Yeah. And the show Legion that's
actually an X Men show, but it's the most unex
Men show you'll ever watch. It's incredible and super fucking
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weird and trippy. So he wanted to do this intent,
but budgetary wise, they're like, you can do eight and
from how this show looks I get it. And the
xenomorph is a dude in a suit, and they have
one is like a full like animatronic like thing. So
it's like even the Xenomore stuff's pretty practical for the
most part, which is it looks amazing, Like it looks
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really really good. I think some people have said it
doesn't look slimy, like that's such a wild Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
I think it looks fun. I think they looked great too.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, And I think you'll really like episode fuck then,
because like it's like straight up and homage to one
but very different because for one, there's so many different creatures.
And I think I think Noah Holly succeeded in what
Ridley Scott. I would don't even want to see fail
that because I don't think that was the point of
the movie. But he adds so much character Death to Morrow,
(44:24):
the cyborg that we've seen obviously like the sole survivor
of the ship that crashes. They add a lot to
his character and kind of recontextualizes what his character is
for this series and kind of textualize Wayla Newtani as well.
And there's a big reveal in this episode plot wise
(44:45):
that makes sense why they moved it to where it is,
because obviously they could have easily just put this in
the beginning of the series and played it out like that.
But even Holly said, if we did that, then it
would just be Alien. Everyone think the whole show is
just Alien recreated. I didn't want that because that's not
what the show is. So it is very smartly put
in here, especially after episode four it ends in that
(45:06):
wild Cliffhanmer with with Wendy talking to the fucking Xenomorph,
which is fucking crazy. And I know he's he said
he's planned for multiple seasons of this. Uh if it
does well, which a lot of people are talking about this,
and I think it dethroned Netflix and like the highest
streamed like series, and I think Netflix has held that
title for like last like eleven weeks and Alien Earth
(45:28):
topped it. So I would have to imagine this is
definitely going to get renewed for at least a second season,
I hope. So yeah, So I'm just so interested to
see where it goes because it's two years before the
events of Alien and I feel like they're going to
tie into them, like calling them a Stroma and being like, no,
you have to go to to you know, LV four
(45:48):
two six or whatever, you know, Like I feel like
that's gonna happen within the show, which I think is
really exciting to feel something because it's like, as cool
as the only franchise is the only thing that's really
connected between them is Ripley. You know, a lot of
them span decades or hundreds of years, so it's there's
not a lot that kind of feel cohesive as far
as like, you know, interconnecting things. And I think that's
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another thing I've respected with the show is that building
out like the lore of the corporations in the Earth,
which obviously has never been talked about ever. So I
was like, Oh, that's really interesting, Like that's such an
interesting thing to be able to explore because like obviously
when people hear Alien Earth are like, what they're gonna
go to Earth? That's you know, everything's in space. So
it's been it's been a cool journey. I'm very excited
(46:32):
because I I don't know how it ends. There's two
episodes I haven't seen, and I'm.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Just thinking that's one of the commendable things about the
show is that it has the guts to the world
build and take it to new directions and flesh out
some things that weren't even It's not like in New
Star Wars where it's like this is where they met,
this is the Lightsaber. It's like creating and exploring new
(46:57):
concepts that are within the universe and things that I
hadn't even really thought of before. And I think that's
really cool. Like I said, I have some issues with
some of the logistics, but as far as the overall
direction of the show and where they're going and what
they're like building with the world, I think it's really
(47:18):
cool and that keeps me watching and engaged and I
want to see what they where they go with all
this stuff, Like they've introduced new aliens and new group
of hybrids that you know, had no idea was a
thing even between Blade Renner or Alien, and it's like, Okay,
this is good, this is I'm starting new territory. And
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that's not something a lot of shows are doing now.
It's like a lot of retreads and rehashes, and this
show's taking the developed concepts and taking them in a
new direction. And that's probably the bravest thing that I
think the show does. And I really appreciate that Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Is right. It's so funny you mentioned that because I
did watch a legacy sequel horror movie this week. Also,
I've been trying to catch up on twenty twenty five movies,
so I watched I know you did last summer, the
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
I haven't seen that one, you, but I've seen the
original one hundred times.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
It's so hard in a world where like the Scream
legacy sequels exist or twenty years Later just came out
this year where that like I feel like, redefined what
a legacy sequel can be. Like it relies on zero
percent nostalgia, tells its own thing within the same world,
and like even like Found This Nation, Blood Lives came
(48:38):
out this year, which I thought was really fun and
actually like a pretty good movie, and that one focuses
in like the legacy character in that is Tony Todd,
That that delivers a beautiful monologue within that movie, which
was not expecting but so so good. And I think
the strength of that and the strength of the screen
movies too, are they relied on the new cast to
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lead the story and kind of the nostalgic characters are
there and they kind of help a little bit, and
I know Your Last Summer does that too, but man,
do some of those characters have the worst lines to
deliver within this movie. They just feel so like boiler plate,
Like I think you can see one in the trailer.
It just feels so like a nostalgia bait and not
(49:22):
a good way.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
But I think that's what's turned me off of watching
it so far, because I haven't seen any and I'm
a huge fan of the first one, so I now
I'm going to get around to.
Speaker 7 (49:33):
It, but I was kind of putting it off.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, there's some fun to be had with it, for sure,
but I left pretty disappointed and I think diehard. I
know Your Last Summer fans are going to be very mad,
but something they do something where you're like, oh, wow, okay, okay,
And I remember some people being like, some people are
gonna have some feelings about how this one goes, and
(49:57):
I can definitely understand why. But the strong point was
the new cast of characters, which they kind of get
overshadowed by the nostalgic characters eventually, which is kind of
a bummer. I think it's better when they kind of,
you know, reboot this stuff and let those people shine,
you know.
Speaker 7 (50:13):
And yeah, I don't think did a pretty good job
of that.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
Even though they incorporated the old ones, the new Scream
movies are pretty fun, and even though I think they
did do it a little dirty, they did in corporation
of the old characters, didn't really overshadow the new ones.
And they let the new ones do their thing and
had pretty good actors put in those positions.
Speaker 7 (50:36):
So I thought those pretty much delivered.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, yeah, and oh yeah.
Speaker 7 (50:40):
And then also the new.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Final destination, I thought that was great, even the little
like you said, the little monologue Tony gave, which apparently
he you know, wrote himself, and part of doing the scene,
you know, because it was like the last thing he
was going to do was he wanted to be able to,
you know, say something, and the heartfelt and I feel
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like even just that scene give the movie a little
bit of heart and a little bit of weight. And
I also love the actor from the show The one
hundred who played the one of the cousins. He's just
really good. I like seeing him and stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah that I saw that one. I went to the
theater alone to watch that one because because I remember
the first two Found listenations being such like like you
cannot drive behind a log truck enough, the utter anxiety
because of the second movie, you know. So it's it's
such like a pop culture Touchsdowne and probably so many
of our lives that I was like, Okay, I'm going
(51:37):
to rewatch the whole series. I think some of the
last ones I never saw, which some of them are.
I think four is pretty bad, but it's in that
it's in that perfect kind of part of the two
thousands where everyone started using CGI and they used it
in very terrible ways, and that movie is the pinnacle
of that. But like I mentioned, yes, being scene is
(52:00):
kind of wild just because it's so utterly ridiculous. It
is easily the most ridiculous opening scene. But five, the
ending of five blew my mind because I did not
know the ending of five, and I was like, wow,
that's a twist.
Speaker 7 (52:16):
Good for them.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
And the opening that one's pretty good. The bridge one
that's that was a pretty pretty good opening too. I
mean they're all pretty good, but that one.
Speaker 7 (52:24):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
The first two were like legitimately pretty damn good, and
the third and fourth I almost consider a little bit
more comedies, but they're still great and then the fifth, Like,
I feel like they tried to bring it a little
back to the quality of one and two, and they
did a mixed job, but I still love it. Yeah,
that's that series, as silly as the concept is, has
(52:48):
been pretty strong for horror series, I think.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, yeah, I And they're making another one. The new
one crushed and people really liked it, so they're they're
making one, which is crazy because John Watts, the director
of the Tom Holland Spider Man trilogy, I think, helped
write part of that movie. He some of that. I
know he was a driving force behind it, which is
kind of cool. It's fun. I'm excited to see what
(53:15):
they do next, especially with the way this one ended.
I'm like, where are they gonna go? I don't know.
I know the girl from two is still.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
Alive, Okay, well, then yeah they should.
Speaker 7 (53:22):
They should bring her back.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
And there's been there's been theories that Devin SAWA's character,
the main character from one, is still alive somehow, even
though they kill him off in two. But if they
brought him back somehow, I think it'd be okay with it.
I'd be okay with that.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Yeah, that would be awesome. I mean he's been in
things here and there. I thought he was great in
the fucked up John Travolta movie like The Fanatic or
I forget what it's called, but oh yeah, that's where
John travolt is a super fan of Devin Salwa's character,
who's like a Hollywood actor, and it gets really weird.
Speaker 7 (53:55):
But it's funny.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
That movie's directed by Fred Durnst and there's a part
in it where Devin saw was like with his son
listening to the radio and he's like, oh yeah, limp Biscuit,
this is the ship right here, this band, So it's
like an ad for Limbiscuit in the movie directed by
friend Durst.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
It's so silly, that's insane. I did not have directed movies.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (54:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
His first movie I think he directed was like a
children's film about like a sports kids movie.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Shocks me as well, that's crazy. I need to watch
this movie now.
Speaker 7 (54:25):
Oh yeah, that's a recommendation for sure.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Oh I'm gonna watch this. I need.
Speaker 7 (54:31):
Saying that. I mean, is his character, his performances, it's
a must watch.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
I wonder if that's like a weird meta thing, because
wasn't Devin Sawa stan in the eminem video Stan. Oh
shit now and now it's the opposite way around. That's
not true.
Speaker 7 (54:50):
Yeah, full circle.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah, there's that's wild. Wow. Well thanks for that recommendation.
That's that's good. I'm going to think about that one
for a while with a fanatic Red Durst.
Speaker 7 (55:01):
Yes, yeah, you got to check it out.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Amazing, dude, Thank you so much for doing this. This
was a blast.
Speaker 7 (55:07):
Yeah, thank you man. I love talking movies anytime.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Amazing. Before get out here, please let the people know
where they can find you. What Dance Dance has got
going on.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Yeah, we just finished the big tour up and we
got our new record, Pantheon, coming out on the eleventh
of September. We put a ton of work into it,
and we're always trying to push ourselves to write the
best start and to be authentic and not you know,
sell out to what we think people want to hear.
And if you appreciate that, you know, kind of heavy
(55:37):
post hardcore, that kind of experiment with different genres and
tries different things, then give us a listen.
Speaker 6 (55:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
I will always commend Dance Given Dance for being such
like a cool I say weird as a compliment because
I think being weird is the coolest thing you can
do and unique band to kind of hit a really
cool like it's like guist of like popularity. That's always
cool to see bands not compromise themselves and still continue
(56:08):
to get popular. So kudos for that. That's always the
coolest thing to see, especially in counterculture and this kind
of music though. Congrass on that. Congrats on the new
album and all the success that will continue to cover
your way I am, I am very sure if you
are living under a rock, I will link everything Dance
Gavin Dance below. If you want podcast, You're goings dot com.
(56:31):
All the links are right there and if you want
to follow me in my personal accountant at Sean XM
on Instagram and Twitter. Until next time, see leer in Nerds.
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