The Alien Artifacts of Ojuelos de Jalisco

Hoax or real?  For decades, artifacts have been turning up in a remote desert area of Jalisco, Mexico, featuring aliens, UFOs, space technology and other curious topics.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Welcome to Mexico Unexplained, where we will explore the magic,
the mysteries, and the miracles of Mexico. This series presents
information based partly on theory and conjecture. The podcaster's purpose
is to suggest some possible explanation, but not necessarily the
only ones to the subjects we will examine. Here is
your host, Robert Viitto.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Welcome, I'm Mobian Benitos to episode number sixty Night of
Mexico Unexplained, where we examined the magic, the mysteries, and
the miracles of Mexico. I'm your host Robert Biddo. In
the high desert of the far northeastern corner of the
Mexican state of Jalisco, a former Mexican military doctor set

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up camp after a long day of exploring the country.
The man's name was doctor Pablo Enrique Garcia Sanchez and
the year was nineteen ninety nine. Doctor Garcia was near
the area known as El Toro in the municipality of
Ojuelos de Jalisco, near the confluence of the states of Jalisco, Sacatecas,

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and Aros Calientes. This is a pretty sparsely populated and
somewhat barren part of Mexico, and the doctor took the
camping trip alone to get away from the rigors of
modern civilized life. What he found on this trip astounded him.
A stone weighing a few hounds and about the size

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of two hands cuped together on the surface of the
stone were strange markings, seemingly done by a craftsman of
a forgotten civilization. To Garcia's untrained eye, the carving on
the stone looked Maya in origin, but that would have
been nearly impossible owing to the fact that this part

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of Mexico is a thousand miles from the ancient Maya heartland.
It was somewhat more believable for the artifact to be
of the closer and more recent Aztec civilization, as trading
routes of the Aztec Empire did go that far north
into the desert areas. Had he found an item that

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had been carried there a long distance? Were there other
carved stones like this one. The camping trip over, doctor
Garcia returned to the town of Ojuelos and showed his
finds to locals. Some people in the town had recognized
the style of the carving immediately and had told the
doctor that farmers and ranchers had been stumbling over artifacts

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like this for eighty years or more. There were even
rumors of hundreds of elaborately carved objects being found in
a cave near where Garcia had been camping, along with
a skull that did not belong to any creature known
to man. Others told him of a lost city and
of a large temple that few knew of. Some locals

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even shared with him some of their own finds, stones
and pieces of stones with strange carvings on them. A
curious man by nature, doctor Garcia decided that he would
dedicate more time to these curious pieces, and, together with
a few other people interested in studying the stones, he
formed a research group called nawi Olean, which in the

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Aztec language Nahwat means fifth world, or the world in
which humanity currently resides, according to the Old Aztec legends.
So what do these artifacts look like? What are they
made of? And is there any indication as to how
they were fashioned? As there are many of these items
and they are all very visually appealing, please go to

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our website Mexico on explained dot com for photos, or
to our YouTube channel Mexico on explained to see a
slide show of some of the most astounding examples of
these pieces. Doctor Garcia's nawi Olean organization has cataloged over
four hundred unique items gathered from the hills and desert

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valleys outside the town of Ouelos and across the countryside
into the Mexican state of Sacatecas. Over ninety five percent
of these pieces are made of carved stone, while the
rest are made of a high fired clay substance. The
artifacts are perhaps the most controversial in Mexico because of
what they depict. In a strange fusion of Mesoamerican art styles.

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The pieces appear to show flying saucers, typical gray aliens
as reported by modern UFO abductees, humans in space suits,
and allegorical outer space scenes, along with fanciful animals and
strange bits of writing reminiscent of Maya glyphs. What has

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been interpreted as star maps have also been found on
some of these stones. In the collection under study, there
are few representations of the central part of the Aztec
calendar or sunstone, with the center face of the sun
replaced by a more otherworldly looking stylized gray alien face.

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For many years before Garcia took his camping trip, the
artifacts had long been sold to tourists, which have led
many skeptics to believe that all of these pieces are
fakes and that selling these items, along with guided tours
to the caves and surrounding area to hunt for artifacts,
is just a way for locals to make money off

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of the gullible. Although the nawi Olean group has over
four hundred of these pieces in its collection for study,
researchers believe that there are thousands more of these artifacts
in private collections all over the world, and a great
many of them in the private homes of local families.
In twenty fifteen, doctor Garcia published a book about the

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studies conducted by his research group called Aslan ILOs Astecas
One Historia Mascmpeta de lau Manidad or in English, Astlan
and the Aztecs A More Complete History of Humanity. The
book starts off with the premise that the area in
which the artifacts were found was part of the mythical

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point of origin the Aztecs called Atslan, and that the
pieces discovered show a definite offworld inns influence on the
beginnings of Aztec civilization in the Ostlan Homeland. For detailed
discussion of Atstlan, please see Mexico and Explained, episode number eighteen.
Garcia draws fire from skeptics for his assumptions. The biggest

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criticism comes from people who see Garcia as the center
of a money making venture and that his organization, whose
mission is supposedly to have an objective approach to researching
the pieces, clearly has an agenda. The agenda fuels conferences, books, tours,
a small museum, and an on again off again internet

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show called Astlan Paraiso Perdido or in English Atslan Lost Paradise.
The Nawiolen group employs no formally trained archaeologists or those
with any academically based field research experience. A huge criticism

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of the group is that it does not thoroughly document
finds by including information about specific artifact locations, detailed testimony
of witnesses, or methods used to unearth the pieces. Laboratory
tests have been haphazard or do not make sense. In
one report, some pieces were claimed to have an age

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of sixteen thousand years, but the dating method cited was
carbon fourteen, which is not used to date objects that
are not organic in nature. If testing had been done
of organic materials found at a dig site, such as
charcoal found in the same strata as artifacts, this has
not been made clear. Critics and people who are generally

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curious about the problems these pieces pose are demanding more
scientific research on these finds. This has not been forthcoming,
as state and national archaeological and historical groups in Mexico
refuse to examine these pieces and dismiss the whole Ahuelos
affair as a shoddy hoax. In twenty eleven, the son

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of Puerto Rican actor Raoul Julia, a Mexican man going
by the name of Raoul Julia Levi, brought the strange
artifacts of Ajuelos into the national spotlight. Julia Levi claimed
that through family connections, he had to former Mexican President
Vicente Fox that he would be part of the Mexican

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government's plan to release sensitive information confirming Mexico's long standing
relationship with extraterrestrials beginning with the ancient Maya. The Ohoelos pieces,
which Julia Levi had claimed were inspired by extraterrestrials but
were really Maya in origin or part of the large
corpus of evidence to show this et contact. The finds

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at Ahuelos would be combined with other artifacts and documentation
provided by the highest government sources, to be showcased in
Julia Levi's book and documentary called Revelations of the Mayans
twenty twelve and Beyond. This project was not endorsed by
doctor Garcia or his organization, the Nahua Olein Group. The

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documentary began filming in Mexico in March of twenty twelve,
with an expected release date of December of twenty twelve,
but a contract dispute between Julia Levi and the film's
executive producer halted production on the project. Raoul Julia Levi
vowed to complete the manuscript connected with the movie, titled

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either Chronicles of the Mayan Tunnel or Secrets of the
Mayan Time Machine, but this never happened. Some time before
the end of the Maya calendar cycle, in December of
twenty twelve, the man calling himself Raoul Julia Levi disappeared
amid allegations of faking his identity and fraud. Greacan actor

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Raoul Julia publicly claimed that he did not have a
son by that name and that this man was an impostor.
Later investigation showed the man claiming to be Julia's son
never attended Harvard or the University of Southern California, as
stated in his bio. Amateur researchers later discovered that Raoul

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Julia lev was really a man named Salvalo Fuentes and
had no connection whatsoever to actor Raoul Julia. The story
of the Ahuelos artifacts may have a hoax within a hoax.
Since the attention brought to the Auelos artifacts by the
man calling himself Raoul Julia Levi, many paranormal, ancient astronaut,

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and UFO related investigators have come out in support of
the finds. Is this just a case of I want
to believe? Have any other elements of ancient material culture
been found in the area besides these carved stones? What
of the rumors of a temple and lost city? As

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of now, they have not been revealed to outsiders, if
they ever existed at all. In twenty fourteen, a supposed
skull of an extraterrestrial was found in a remote cave
just outside of Ajuelos de Jalisco. An informal examination of
this supposed skull showed it to be a haphazard creation

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fashioned out of various animal bones. To quote Mexican paranormal
researcher Daniel Galarsa Santiago, who runs the web site Eleesceptico
de Jalisco or in English, the Skeptic of Jalisco quote,
the supposed extraterrestrial skull of Ohuelos looks a lot like

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jar Jar binks from Star wars end quote. Besides this skull,
no burials have been claimed to have been found, no pottery,
no other bone owns, and no evidence of any other artifacts.
All we have are the carved stones that mysteriously seem
to appear during walks in the desert. The investigators of

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the I want to believe persuasion have tried for many
years to get serious attention focused on Ohelos from legitimate
institutions in Mexico which study ancient artifacts. The ultimate authority
for archaeology in the land is Mexico's National Institute of
Anthropology and History, based in Mexico City, with offices and

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representatives in every state in Mexico. In response to an
inquiry about whether or not it was legal for these
supposedly extraterrestrial objects found at Ohelos, to be sold off
to tourists. The National Institute of Anthropology and History actually
crafted something in writing in one of the first times

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it had ever acknowledged the controversial finds. Archeologist doctor Anna
Maria pels Marine stated quote that despite the falsity of
these pieces, are being marketed as real pre Hispanic items,
and although people are deceived, there is no crime to
pursue since for the National Institute of Anthropologian History they

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are not historical objects but simple crafts end quote. Doctor
pels Marine continued, stating, quote, the sale of a nation's
heritage is a federal crime. People have to understand that
they are not original pieces. Of course, people will counter
what doctor pels Marine wrote and allege that governments have

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historically covered up evidence of alien visitation and have denied
any contact with extraterrestrials past or present, and that institutions
like Mexico's National Institute of Anthropologian History are established merely
to aid in such cover ups. While this may be true,
perhaps we have an undeniably cut and dry example of

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a hoax coming from a remote corner Ofjalisco, or perhaps not,
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