Invaders - 3I ATLAS Overload and the Alien Invasion Archetype

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Reports of unidentified flight out here, unidentified, VERYO phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hoday, the great weapons being tested by our own or
foreign governments, and the American people are becoming most interested
and in many instances very alarmed by the UFO stories.
So why do you suppose that all of this has
been kept from the world exploring our past, our future,
and the mysteries of our universe? Where do they come?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Brock?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Why can't you explain it? Everybody in uthology is screaming
for disclosure.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
The future is now. This is Micah.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hanks from the high mountains of Appalachia in a bunker
below ground. Welcome, one and all. It is the Micah
Hanks Program. Glad is always to be going in pursuit
of the anomalous in our existence, as we do every week.
Hard to believe, my friends, that the holidays are almost
upon us. Yes, it's been another crazy year. And that craziness,

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by the way, helped the lot by the fact that
recently you may have been reading news headlines that would
have led some to think that an alien invasion was eminent.
That's not the case. But we are going to be
talking about alien invasions a bit this week. But we'll
get to all that. As usual, I get ahead of
myself first and foremost, and of course on that subject

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of the holidays very steadily approaching. There are many people
right now who are expecting that this year's Thanksgiving is
going to be a really expensive one. I was already
strategizing with my mother the other day about who was
going to be bringing, what and where we were going
to be having the Thanksgiving dinner this year. But according

(01:40):
to a recent one from study Fines, apparently a lot
of people are stressing not only about where and when
and how, they're also worrying about how much. They're saying
that the average American this year in twenty twenty five
maybe spending on average, get this, nine hundred and fifty
two dollars each on food, rinks, decorations, travel, and other

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miscellaneous items associated with the holiday of filling up and feasting.
This is apparently according to a pole from Talker research
conducted on behalf of the banking app known as Chime.
But they are saying that because of the expenses associated
with the holiday this year, a lot of people are
deciding to go the cheaper route. They are celebrating with friends,

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you know, doing the friends giving thing, and they're calling
their loved ones and saying, hey, you know, we will
save the flights at all, the long distance travel for
you know, a time that maybe is a little better
suited for that. A lot of people are still scared
to get on a plane right now. I'm going to
wait a little while myself after recent events. But indeed,
according to the recent polls, food still dominates the list

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of expenses, with the one hundred and seventy five dollars
per household estimate another one hundred and ten dollars going
toward beverages. But don't forget about all those nice little
pumpkins and other kinds of decorations you want to have
around so everybody feels cozy. Toss in another eighty three
dollars on that, and yet you can really see that
the expenses begin to pile up pretty quickly. Well, anyway,

(03:09):
I'm hoping Thanksgiving is not going to be too cost
prohibitive for most of us this year, however, we choose
to celebrate. But in other news, here's a funny one
and on the heels of the big heist that was
recently undertaken at the Louver. Apparently the museum security is
again under scrutiny, according to cyber News, after a pair

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of pranksters were able to evade the museum's security, not
this time to actually try and steal anything. I think
they were really just trying to prove a point. But
they managed to get in there and place a painting
on the wall right there, in the same room as
one of the world's most famous Yes, of course, I'm
talking about the Mona Lisa. Cyber News reports that the

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Belgian duo behind this prank, Neil and Senne, have gone
viral for sneaking their own created painting into the Louver
Museum just weeks after the historic Christ was carried out.
And my understanding, of course is that those who were
behind that highest are now in custody. But these pranksters,
the fact that they could sneak in there and do this,

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placing their own painting alongside one of the world's best
known pieces of artwork. Yeah, I guess that really kind
of underscores the fundamental problem, doesn't It sounds like the
Louver needs some tighter security. Heading back in time, though,
to those treasures of the ancient world, and not just
those hanging on the walls in art museums. Scientists have
now said that they have recovered a very unique kind

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of treasure in the form of ancient molecules of RNA,
and they say this has been extracted from the remains
of a very young mammoth named Yuka who died about
forty thousand years ago in Siberia. The remains which were
frozen and preserved remarkably well. In fact, you can see
images in one of the stories about this I have
linked in the show notes. But the creature's remarkably well

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preserved remains offer more than just a glimpse at what
this creature might have lear looked like, right down to
the here that covered its body. Yes, we also now
have the ancient RNA molecules that were contained within the
cells of that mammoth, and so it's giving us a
look at the genetic makeup of this creature too. Now,
of course, there's been a lot of controversy this year

(05:17):
about things other than just the cost of Thanksgiving dinner
or claims about three I Atlas and alien invasion and
things like that.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Earlier this year, of course, we had the big news
from Colossal Biosciences. My pal Ben Lamb down there in
Texas and his crew who had successfully genetically engineered some
wolf pups that very closely resemble the extinct species known
as dire wolves. And this was controversial for a number
of reasons. One because there are those who say that

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doing this is playing god, and we therefore should not
be doing that. Anybody who wants to know why you
shouldn't do that, go check out Guillermo del Toro's recent
remake of Frankenstein, which has made its way onto Netflix.
Excellent film, by the way, but also serves as a
good reminder of why some would say you leave that
stuff alone. You know what starts happening when we start

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trying to engineer things that resemble nature's way of creating life.
In fact, those people would say we should just leave
it entirely up to nature. But then there are those
who are also upset about the fact that it was
claimed that the dire wolf had been revived, because really, effectively,
that's not what happened. There were modern wolf pups that

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were genetically engineered based on the reconstruction of extinct dire
wolf DNA, and based on the genetic engineering, these modern
wolf pups were made to look like dire wolves. So
others took issue with even calling them dire wolves. They said,
this is really just modern wolves that were engineered to
look like something else.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I bring all this up because, as their name suggests,
Colossal Biosciences, one of their earliest stated objectives was to
try and revive the wooly mammoth. And so one has
to ask, if we are able to extract DNA from
these creatures, we have remarkably well preserved cellular tissue from
these extinct animals. Does this all therefore bring us closer

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to reviving these species? I know Ben Lamb and his
scientific team done there at Colossal Biosciences would say yes.
Others would say no, It's still as impossible as it
ever was. We may be able to genetically engineer things
that resemble those extinct species, but we're still a long
ways from actually bringing them back to life. And while

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the debate over all this will continue, no doubt with
a recent extraction of this remarkably well preserved RNA from
Yuca from forty thousand years ago, again, this nonetheless is
giving us deeper insight into the cellular and genetic makeup
of these extinct ancient beasts. So they may not be
walking around in your backyard anytime soon. We just have

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a clearer idea of what they might have looked like
when they did. And for a really fascinating tie in
with all this, when Yuka was still alive when she
walked the earth, that would have been about forty thousand
years ago, and now there is new archaeological evidence according
to some researchers, that is early as forty thousand years ago,

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while extinct megafonnel species were still in our midst there
were ancient seafarers who were demonstrating technological sophistication that rivals
that associated with much later technological civilizations. Quoting from an
article that appeared here in the Express in the UK,
archaeologists and historians have long been stumped by an unsolved

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mystery concerning the well inhabited islands of Southeast Asia, which
seemed to have been populated a very long time ago.
And as you might have guessed, the mystery involves, well,
how in the world did people get down there? Because
to inhabit those islands even in the ancient world, even
when sea levels were lower, and therefore the available land

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attached to the large land masses around the world were
technically a little closer. Even still, people seemed to have
gotten around and that would have required boats, right, But
it goes a little deeper than that, because in addition
to just good old fashioned seafaring with very basic rafts,
there also would had to have been other kinds of
technological advancements to facilitate people being able to navigate the

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world's oceans across pretty significant distances. And now, according to
a new study that was published recently in the Journal
of Archaeological Science, it seems that new evidence does challenge
the accepted belief that that kind of technological progress during
the Paleolithic era couldn't have occurred in that part of
the world, that it would have been centered primarily in
Africa and Europe. Now, according to the new findings, archaeologists

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are saying that ancient people in the Philippines and Indonesia
and other locations indeed seemed to have possessed remarkably precocious
technology for their era, an era that existed, yes, about
forty thousand years ago, when mammoths like yuka still walked
the earth. So this of course brings to mind questions

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about ancient lost civilizations. You know, the controversial Maverick archaeologist
Graham Hancock did this series on Netflix two seasons. In fact,
I only watched the first one, but it's called Ancient Apocalypse,
and Graham Hancock's premise for a long time has been
that there is evidence of advanced capabilities that people in

(10:31):
the ancient world had, And of course this is very
controversial because what Hancock proposes seems both to smack in
the face of conventional archaeology, but also is often intended
intentionally to do that. Hancock, if anything, has long championed
the idea of upending traditional ideas about the ancient world

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and challenging conventional scholars, and it hasn't really made him
very popular in the archaeological world. So I can kind
of understand, especially given the fact that I've met mister
Hancock in the past. I know a lot of his colleagues,
and I have mutual colleagues that are friends of his
and people who run in those circles. But as far
as my own interest and even work in the field

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of archaeology as an avocationalist, mostly volunteering on dig sites
and things like that over the years, and interviewing professional archaeologists.
I primarily have worked alongside those who are in that
conventional field of people who often express disdain for Hancock
and his theories, But it's caused me to wonder over
the years. Sure, a lot of the claims are extraordinary,

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and there's very little evidence that supports a lot of
the more outlandish ideas put forward by fringe theorists and
maverick archaeologists about who did what and how early they
were doing it in the ancient world. I will concede that,
but I still have often wondered, could there be a
little more than what many conventional archaeologists are willing to

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accept him. One reason I've often thought this has to
do with a few factors. One, of course, as we
discussed on the show last week about the Labyrinth, and
I got a lot of great emails and feedback from
people who seem to really have enjoyed the deep dive
into that subject, and one of the reasons I wanted
to do a show about that, in addition to knowing
that people enjoy it when we discuss archaeology on this show,

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has to do with the fact that there are often
oral traditions that end up being relegated to mythology, or
there are even ancient writings like the ancient Greek epics
that describe things that people would assign exclusively to the
realm of myth and yet there ends up being archaeological
evidence later on that helps to corroborate those claims. That

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seems to be the case with various locations described in
ancient texts identified as having been labyrinths, at least one
that existed in Greece, maybe more than one really, and
of course the famous one that was down there in
Egypt as well. Many would have said those were simply
devices that were created for ancient Greek mythology and stories

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about things like the Menotaur. But much like Heinrich Schliemann
discovering the ancient city of Troy, it seems that from
time to time, these things that are relegated to myth
later on end up being proven to have some basis
in reality, even if the kernel of truth that forms
their basis ends up being mythologized and made into epic

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literature like the Iliad or the Odyssey. But another reason
I've been interested in the what ifs and willing to
entertain possibilities has to do with the self evident aspect
of many of these kinds of discoveries. In the case
of this latest study, people in the ancient world had
to have been able to get around It seems quite
obvious again that they had to be using watercraft, and

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yet for the longest time, mainstream archaeology seemed to be
very resistant to that idea. There was also a time
when mainstream archaeologists in North America were very resistant to
the idea that there were people on the North American
land earlier than around thirteen thousand years ago, until we
kept finding more and more evidence, more and more archaeological

(14:07):
sites that clearly showed that people had been here for
a very long time. And today, of course we recognize
these sites as being pre Clovis or earlier than Clovis sites,
and yes, that there had been people here at least
going back twenty maybe twenty two thousand years, maybe twenty
five thousand years. Of course, there are also archaeological sites
that suggest people were here much earlier than that, And then,

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of course there are those other ideas that remain in
the taboo realm for now, and they will need evidence
before we can draw these conclusions. But I've often wondered
if we should be so certain that humans Homo sapiens
sapiens at least are the earliest or the only hominins
to have ever made their way to North America. If
history has taught us one thing, it is to expect

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the unexpected, because often discoveries that would have seemed unlikely
end up coming back around and surprising us, kind of
like this interstellar object that's been drifting around in our
solar system. You know which one I'm talking about. That's right,
We've got more updates on the Enigmatic three I Atlas.
We'll dive into that here in a moment. When we
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Is three Iye Atlas on its way back toward Earth.
More importantly, a lot of people are wondering are we
in store for an alien invasion? Well, spoiler alert, no
we're not, and no, three Eye Atlas is not going
to make its way to Earth, although it's coming pretty close.

(17:24):
Of course. The enduring mystery of three Eye Atlas involves
the fact that we don't really see objects like this
very often. And yes, it is behaving pretty strangely. We
have already discussed the reasons why it is behaving the
way that it is on this show in the past,
and really fundamentally none of my perspectives on that have changed.

(17:45):
I still think it's just a comet. It's not displaying
evidence of technology. It is behaving weirdly, But I think
that that weirdness can be accounted for through natural explanations.
But I have changed a bit of my perspective about
maybe the way that the discussion about this interstellar object,

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this comet, let's be clear, should be had, as well
as maybe my feelings about some of those who are
steering that discussion right now. Celebrity curiosity has helped to
spike public speculation about three Iyeatlists that really surged after
Kim Kardashian publicly asked NASA's acting administrator whether the object

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was an alien spacecraft. And Miss Kardashian didn't just make
this up or pull it out of thin air, the
idea that three eye Outlists might be an alien spaceship. No,
of course she had been informed by the speculation the
buzz online, which has largely been pushed by Harvard astronomer
Avi Loeb. Now, of course I've had Avi on the

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show here, many times, I've met Auvi in person. Avi
has sent along essays that he writes, which he normally
publishes on his Medium page, and we featured some of
those over the years at the debrief dot Org. I
consider AVI a friend and I appreciate his contributions to
the subject when it comes to the search for interstellar objects,

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the study of UAP, what he's done with the Galileo project,
and many other things. However, I also have differed with
AVI in the past on how he interprets UAP data
or the best ways that we should be studying this subject.
I have differed with AVI on the idea that O
Muamua might have displayed technological signatures suggestive of an alien probe,

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And of course it is the fact that he suggested
those things about the first interstellar object that caused me
to become a little concerned when I saw him really
going all in on similar speculations with three I Atlas.
I also defended many of doctor Loeb's perspectives here on
the program when he initially began publishing papers with colleagues

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saying that we don't really think this thing is an
alien probe or displaying evidence of technology, but it's weird
enough that exploring those possibilities and using it as a
teaching mechanism for doing so is probably a good idea.
I still think that that's a good idea. But what
really seems to have changed for me is that, with

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mounting evidence that three I Atlas is simply a comet, realistically,
we need to get to a point where we start
talking about it like it's just a comet. Right. All
the pedagogical learning exercises and things are wonderful, but we're
talking about a comet. Okay, a comet whose trajectory is

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very well known. It's not going to crash into Earth.
It's not going to do any coarse corrections and start
veering off toward our planet. It's not engaging in any
kinds of obvious signs of technology. In fact, everything yet
has done so far can be explained naturally, as I said,

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And so for me, what has changed is we are
beyond the point where we can still continue to argue
that there's something weird here and that we therefore need
to be open minded to all possibilities. Sure three Eye
Atlas is weird, but it's a really weird comet. I
don't think at this point there's very much hope for
it turning out to be an alien probe. And further,

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I think that if it were, we would have known
by now. And sure there's always the possibility that, well,
how do you know an alien stealth probe isn't going
to behave like a interstellar comet, and that this is
part of its stealth design to help it avoid being detected.
Even though we've detected it and we've been tracking it
with virtually every major telescope on planet Earth since it

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first appeared, I get it. There are some who could
make an argument as to why this thing could still
be an alien probe. But see, that's part of the problem.
I'm pointing to the abundance of the evidence suggests otherwise,
And hence the problem I have. There are those who
are now actually doing exactly what I'm describing. No matter
what the data says, we will find a way to

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continue to argue that this thing could be extraterrestrial technology.
And yes, my friend, my colleague, Ave Lobe, has been
the one who has been leading that effort, who's been
championing that dialogue. And respect him, though I do, I
have to very respectfully also ask how much longer do

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we really need to continue to have this argument? And furthermore,
what is the purpose of continuing to have this argument?
Are we really concerned genuinely about planetary defense. Are we
really genuinely concerned about the possibility of an alien invasion? Again,
that's part of why we're going to be discussing the

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idea of alien invasions, how they might occur, what they
could potentially mean, where the idea comes from, and various
other things on this episode this week. That is a
fascinating discussion to have. But do we need to be
having that discussion about three Eye Atlas. I'm not really
sure that we do it this point. The other issue, though,

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that I have, is that there are those people out
there who are a little concerned at this point. There
are a lot of people who they read the headlines.
They aren't necessarily communicating with astronomers and people at NASA
every single day like I do. Maybe they're just reading
the headlines they see on Google News or whatever, or
on whatever news sites they visit. And when they see

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headlines that say things like three Iyatlas is changing direction
and is now headed toward Earth, or three Eye Atlas
prompts planetary defense effort. And yes, these kinds of claims
are actually things that have been advanced recently in news headlines.
But yes, I couldn't fault people for reading headlines like
that and saying, my gosh, what's going on here. I'm

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not used to seeing headlines like this. This seems like
it's really actually got some people concerned. Should I be concerned?
And I know people are concerned because I get emails
and text messages and phone calls from them every day.
I go out to meet friends over the weekend and
they say, hey, Michael, we got a question. And I'm thinking,
king to myself, boile, wonder what this is going to
be about. But those kinds of interactions with people recently

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have indicated to me that, yeah, a lot of people
have questions. A few people are a little concerned. And
so if the current dialogue about three I Atlas is
causing people to be concerned or at very least confused
and they're unsure of what to believe, I mean we
have to ask ourselves. Is the constant hyping of the
we don't really know? Therefore it could still be an

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alien probe idea? Is that really a good thing? Is
our dialogue having the right kind of effect? I only
think it's fair that we ask these questions. And again,
please remember that this is coming from the perspective of
an individual who is very open minded himself. I do
not dismiss out of hand the possibility that extraterrestrials could

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potentially visit Earth, or maybe even that they might have
in the past. I'm not the kind of person who
ideologically aligns themselves with many Wikipedia editors who think that
anyone who is open to those possibilities should be ridiculed.
And if you remember, I myself have been a target
of the attacks of those kinds of ideologues at Wikipedia.

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The anonymous editors who think that they need to police
the Internet and in order to build their arguments against
people like me, are willing to resort to straw man
arguments and mischaracterizations to do so. So I want to
be clear in saying that if we're going to have
a dialogue, we need to be honest. We do need
to be fair to people. And I am an open
minded skeptic when it comes to how I deal with

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this or any topic, and anybody who is a regular
listener of this show probably has a pretty good feel
for where I stand on these things by now. But again,
I think it's fair that we have to ask ourselves
some questions, maybe some hard ones, about the discussion we
are having about three iye Atlas. I mean, have we
gotten to the point where we need to take a
step back and say, Okay, you know, the alien speculation

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was fun there for a minute, but we are now
to the point where we need to move past that.
I met up with my pal Brett Tina the other night,
managing editor there at space dot com. He and I
like to get together and from time to time compare
notes about issues happening in the world of space and
science given them. We're both editors at News science that
cover that subject, and he brought to my attention a

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recent article that appeared in The New York Times by
Kenneth Chang. I want to quote briefly from mister Chang's
reporting where he noted recently that quote. The notoriety of
this comic can be credited to Avi Loeb, a Harvard
astrophysicist well regarded for his research on black holes, dark matter,
and other subjects of mainstream science. But over the past

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few years he's been speculating a lot about aliens too,
Doctor Loebe, mister Chang writes, has popped up on numerous
news shows since July, when three I Atlas was first
spotted by the University of Hawaii's Asteroid Terrestrial Impact Last
Alert System. That's the atlas and the name. He discussed
the topic for a couple of hours with mister Joe

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Rogan and has churned out a stream of essays asking
whether the comic might be a trojan horse sent by
aliens to spy on Earth or worse. By the way,
I'll interject again with respect to doctor Loeb, we did
publish one of his earliest articles way back in early July,
right after three I Atlas was discovered, and its discovery

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being the big news at the time, was what primarily
avi's article dealt with. I've also gotten some quotes from
AVI that have appeared in my own articles, and my
team and I have been very clear in presenting information
in a balanced way, but also maintaining the position that
the abundance of the data points to this comet being
exactly that, a natural interstellar comet. And I have very

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respectfully declined to publish further editorial from doctor Loeb as
this situation has been developing since early July. Doing so,
I have felt has helped us to maintain a more
balanced position and not contribute to what I'm now beginning
to see increasingly problematic as far as the alien speculations
about three iyatlas. So that's said. Coming back to Kenneth

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Chang's reporting here, he quotes doctor Lobe here, writing, quote,
is three ie atlas wearing a costume of a comet,
doctor Loeb wrote recently? Or is it a truly icy
rock of natural origin? Chang writes. He notes that on
December nineteenth, six days before Christmas, the comet will make
its closest pass to Earth at a distance of about
one hundred and seventy million miles. Quoting Auve again here,

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he writes, will three iyatlas send many probes toward Earth
as Christmas gifts to humanity? Unquote, doctor Lobe puts the
odds of an artificial origin for three iyatlas, Mister Chang
reports at thirty to forty percent. His argument hinges on
seemingly unlikely coincidences and unusual characteristics observed in the comet.

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Now again, I've got to say thirty to forty percent
likelihood of artificial origin thirty to forty percent. That's getting
on up there, folks. Now, in my personal opinion, I
don't think that there is a forty percent or even
a thirty percent likelihood that this thing is an alien probe,
And I've got news for you. Most astronomers share that opinion.

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They reject such ideas. They argue that everything observed about
three Iye Atlas is currently consistent with natural comets, even
if some of the properties, again like the outgassing, it's
unusual chemistry, slight, non gravitational motion, all of which, by
the way, we've talked about on this podcast and we've
reported at the Debrieve, are a little atypical. I will

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concede that. But where scientists stand on this is that
the object formed around another star, and therefore it should
look different. This thing's been out there drifting through the
cosmos for a very long time. How many other objects
do we get to look at that haven't been exposed
to solar radiation by our Sun because they actually have
existed in our solar system for eons. That should be

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the fundamental question right there? Does it act weird because
it is for from a place far away and it
is being exposed to so al a radiation for the
first time in a very long time, or for all
we know, maybe for the first time period that's part
of the reason why it's so exciting to study three
I atlas. But one would think that those kinds of

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questions should be the first thing on every scientist's mind,
not whether there is a thirty to forty percent chance
that it is an extraterrestrial probe. After we have been
tracking it and studying it, taking pictures of it, spectrographic
imagery that reveals important data about its chemical composition. I mean,
we have been collecting data for months. How can we

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still be arguing that there is as much as a
forty percent chance that this thing could be an extraterrestrial technology.
As mister Chang wrote in The New York Times, that
interpretation is in sharp contrast with those of many other
scientists who say they see no signs of anything unnatural.
He goes on to quote a few of those scientists,
doctor David Jewett from the Diversity of California, and this

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is the quote he provided mister Chang quote. The whole
subject is contaminated by this assertion that it might be
a spacecraft. So I think in people's minds, you know, yeah,
it's a spacecraft. Even worse, according to doctor Jewett, those
scientists who argue otherwise. In the minds of many the

(31:22):
alien hopefuls, we might say, are quote covering up. So
in other words, what we are seeing is remarkably similar
to the UFO debate. Don't tell me it's not an
alien spaceship, and if you do, then I'm going to
accuse you of being part of the cover up. So again,
and I want to be very fair to Aviy, he's
been on the program in the past. I always respect

(31:43):
his positions on things, but I will respectfully disagree in
this case, not only on the idea that three I
outlists might be alien technology, but further that we are
still at a point where it's worth continuing to argue
that because I think that doing so at this point
is unfortunately doing more harm than good. It's confusing a
lot of people, it's even scaring a few people, and

(32:06):
arguably it is beginning to polarize discussion over what should
be one of the most remarkable scientific discoveries involving astronomy
or anything for that matter, in recent memory, and it's
causing it to resemble very closely some of the less
enjoyable aspects of modern UFO conspiracy theories. All that, to

(32:27):
me is a bit problematic, and so with respect to
doctor Loeb, maybe it's time for us to start looking
at this thing as being what it most likely is,
a comet. But on the concerns and questions about alien invasion,
we're going to dive down that rabbit hole when we
return right here on the Micah Hanks Program.

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So, no, we don't have to worry about an alien invasion,
at least as far as three Eye Atlas is concerned.
But considering the fact that so many people are concerned
about that possibility, I thought it might be apropos to
take a look at the idea of alien invasions, planetary defense,

(35:24):
threats from the stars, and various other sundry things. We'll
get into that in a moment. First, if you aren't
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(35:44):
who have been supporting this podcast for years, maybe more
than a decade. Hard to believe, huh. And of course
I always appreciate people out there who appreciate my perspectives.
Nobody's perfect. I certainly am not. I try to be
as fair and balanced as possible and also value open
mindedness as long, of course, as being open minded is

(36:07):
not contributing to false narratives, conspiracy theories, and things that
can be problematic or things that can actually end up
scaring people. And again, my point regarding three I Atlas
is not to accuse doctor Loeb of doing any of
those things. I don't think he is. I think Avvi
genuinely is curious about the possibility of extraterrestrial life and

(36:30):
the technologies that they might use. And I think that
he is genuinely interested in trying to determine whether or
not there is an object making a drive by through
our solar system that is exhibiting some of the characteristics
we might associate with said technology. The problem is, I
just don't think at this point that the abundance of
the data is pointing in that direction, and I'm a

(36:52):
little concerned that maybe AV is holding on to the
hope that I don't know, maybe there's going to be
some breaking development, something, some kind of a signature, or
some kind of behavior is going to be observed that
will tip the scales in the favor of alien technology.
But I'm just not seeing things go that way. The
abundance of the data says otherwise. And therefore I think

(37:14):
maybe it's time for us to start saying, Okay, you
know what, We've had a really good time talking about
three eye atlasts, but hey, for my own part, I'd
like to not wake up every other morning with text
messages from people saying, should we be hiding in bunkers
like yours, mister Hanks? Do we need to be worried? No,
you don't, at least not yet, at least not as
far as three Eye Atlas is concerned. But again, the

(37:38):
idea that a similar object at some point in the
future could represent a threat is a legitimate concern. Speaking
of which, on Joe Rogan's podcast, after doctor Loeb did
an appearance and he laid out the case for all
the anomalies that three Eye Atlas is exhibiting. Elon Musk
went back on the podcast, he of course is in
the comic camp. But Elon is saying that if an

(37:59):
object like three Eye Atlas everywhere to smash into Earth,
it could be devastating. Now, again, let's be clear, that's
not what three Iyatlas is going to do, nor would
it ever do. We are tracking its orbital characteristics, we
know very well what path it is on, what direction
it's headed. It's going to come close to Earth, but
it's not headed toward Earth, no matter what you might

(38:19):
have read in the tabloids. But now, if an object
like it we're ever headed in our direction, we absolutely
would have to take into consideration what kind of damage
it could cause. And one of the reasons I think
it's important to have that discussion is because if indeed
these objects enter our solar system, and they do so suddenly,

(38:40):
and they're coming in from an angle, that may cause
their trajectories to be somewhat unpredictable. Or once we detect them,
even if we can predict what direction they're headed, we
may be able to do very little to control their
paths once they have entered our solar system. Now, three
ie Atlas happen to go circling around the Sun and

(39:01):
it never at any time came close enough to be
a threat to Earth. But can we be so sure
that the next interstellar object won't be headed right in
our direction? And if it is, what are we going
to do about that? We can track all these asteroids
and comets that have been drifting around in our Solar
system for eons, and we know which ones might be
a threat. But when an interstellar object that is close

(39:22):
to three kilometers long and moving incredibly fast comes hurtling
into our Solar system out of nowhere, and we maybe
have just a few months, maybe even just a few
weeks to plan for what we're going to do if
it's headed toward us, that could be a problem. So, yes,
we do need to have the planetary defense discussion about
interstellar objects, and that has been one of the learning

(39:44):
opportunities that Three Eye Atlas has given us, And in fact,
that is the legitimate reason why there have been planetary
defense discussions involving three iyatlists. Nobody's worried about it crashing
into Earth. Quite the contrary, we know where it's headed.
We also want to know what to do in the future.
If we aren't so lucky next time, and therever is

(40:05):
a three eye atlas or maybe a four or five
eye atlas, right, and it's actually headed toward us, we
need to prepare for those possibilities. And that's one reason
why the discussion about alien invasion is interesting to me. Yes,
it is a very remote and probably a highly unlikely
possibility that Earth will ever actually be invaded by intelligent

(40:29):
life from elsewhere. But the idea of an alien invasion
has been a fixture of popular culture for well over
a century. Some m'd argue it goes even further back
than that, and it tends to resurface whenever public curiosity
turns toward the unknown. That has been happening to an
extent with three eye atlas, but from early science fiction
novels to the modern films that employ that motif, we've

(40:53):
got video games that employ variations of it, social media speculation,
and yes, ideas that are proposed often by those in
the UAP research community. Yeah, the concept of alien invasion
appeals for a range of reasons. I suspect maybe one
is because it blends scientific possibility with deep seated questions

(41:14):
about humanity's place in the universe here. Again, I think
three iye Atlas does that. I mean, it's weird enough
that it causes us to imagine what if, and some
of those imaginings maybe get a little too out there
at times. But it also the alien invasion motif provides
an easy framework for exploring real world anxieties that we
have about more mundane things like technology, geopolitics, existential risk.

(41:41):
You know, if we want to talk about invasions, look
at what's been happening down there in Charlotte, North Carolina
over the weekend, very close to home for me, with
the ice raids. This was a national news headline. And
again I'm not going to dive into a political debate
about all that, but I bring it up in the
context of this discussion, noting again that often social issues

(42:03):
and political issues, and anxieties and concerns we have about
those issues for various reasons, often begin to manifest in
other places, and often an outlet for those anxieties traditionally
has been science fiction. Maybe the idea of an alien
invasion hits home for so many of us because it
is a scenario fundamentally that feels both remote and yet

(42:27):
at the same time strangely plausible. And so in recent
days it's been a little weird with all the unrest
in the world and at the same time the fascination
with extraterrestrial threats that often we discuss on this show, which,
as I'll note again, tend to spike whenever we've gotten
new astronomical discoveries. We see strange fast radio bursts out
there in deep space and say, what if it's alien

(42:48):
signaling us? We see strange phenomena in our skies and
we say, what if it's aliens visiting us? We see
a strange interstellar visitor, and we say, what if it's
aliens coming to is it? Or worse, aliens planning an invasion?
You know, there were a lot of early UFO researchers,
in fact, who thought that sightings, beginning in the nineteen

(43:10):
forties and fifties might be a prelude to a full
scale invasion. One example, of course, appeared in Jacques Valet's
first installment of the Forbidden Science series his personal journals
that he's published over the years excellent reading, by the way,
but in that first volume, in an entry dated November fourth,
nineteen sixty six, Jacques notes that quote. Late that night,

(43:30):
I took Dugan and Fontese to their hotels, and I
drove back home along the lake at two o'clock in
the morning, turning some of their statements over and over
in my head. Fontes and I presume he's talking about
Olevo Fontes, the Brazilian UFO researcher who was up visiting.
But he says, Fantees is convinced we are living the
last few years before the revelation that a space invasion

(43:51):
is in progress. I do not share his point of view,
Valet noted, but he said I cannot prove that he
is wrong. Donald Keyhose, similarly, in the early years of euthology,
seemed to believe that Earth was under surveillance by UFOs
at very least, and in fact, interestingly, his written work
about UFOs was part of the inspiration behind the nineteen

(44:13):
fifty six film Earth versus the Flying Saucers, a film
about alien invasion, and some would argue that mister Keyho's
work itself would begin to speculate about a possible invasion.
I would argue at this point, however, if UFOs are
indeed in any way evidence of alien invasion, plans unfolding
there certainly playing the long game. But this brings us

(44:35):
to some interesting questions about what would an actual alien
invasion look like. I mean, could we expect visitors from
the stars to travel here in spacecraft? Often we rule
out that possibility, of course, because we presume, based on
how difficult it is for us to travel in space,
that other life forms, even extremely intelligent ones, wouldn't do

(44:57):
so either. But could we necessarily rule it out when
we look at the UAP debate and we say, well,
what if there are intelligences and they are so much
more advanced than us that space travel is really anathemous
what they do? They don't travel through space, certainly, not
using chemical rockets anymore than we would use canoes to

(45:18):
travel from Florida to the United Kingdom. No, we get
on a jet. But if you were to tell that
to somebody from the middle of the eighteenth century, Hey,
you know, in the future, people are going to get
on great big air buses that will fly them across
the world's oceans in just a few hours. Oh, they'd
laugh at you. And so, of course, naturally we laugh
at the prospect of there being actual aliens bopping around

(45:41):
the universe in advanced machines, because we don't think that
we could build something like that or easily traverse the
cosmos ourselves, Therefore nobody else could do it. Again, Wait
a few hundred years, let's see what we're doing then,
And indeed, if there's anybody who's already a few hundred
years more advanced than we are, maybe there are doing
that right now. But should we be concerned about that possibility?

(46:04):
Even if aliens possessed the technology required to traverse the
stars is an alien invasion therefore likely on the menu.
We'll explore that possibility when we come back right here
and wrap things up on the Micah Hanks Program.

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Would extraterrestrials be kind to Earthlings if they ever made
their way here, or as many fear, would they be
hostile toward Lafe on Earth? Would they have their own
interests in mind, especially when it comes to traveling to
a planet like Earth, What kinds of things would drive

(48:40):
them to come here a quest for minerals or other resources.
And indeed, if their intent was to come here and
retrieve those things, what other kinds of resources might they find?
What would aliens subsist off of? What kinds of steak
would they enjoy eating? If you catch my drift. We

(49:05):
often have this notion in our minds that, well, if
they're highly advanced aliens, they're going to be more evolved
than we are intellectually and otherwise, and therefore they're probably
going to be humanitarians. But what if, indeed they really
like a nice cut of steak, And what if to
highly advance to extraterrestrials, we are little more than cattle

(49:28):
food for thought? Huh, no pun intended. Fortunately, though, a
lot of the concerns I think people have about alien
invasion are a result of the fact that this has
long been a cultural motif. It's something that's almost ingrained
in our minds and therefore in our discussions. And this
goes back a long ways. But we might say, at
least in terms of the modern discussion to the eighteen nineties. Yes,

(49:52):
of course we have the War of the World's, where
martians invade Earth. But even before that, we have the
slightly less well known but perhaps no less important novel
from eighteen ninety two titled The Germ Growers, involving an
alien infiltration by human appearing entities, that in itself a
motif within the alien invasion idea that we would see
manifest again decades later. But coming back to mister Wells

(50:16):
there for a moment, because it is the War of
the Worlds that really gives us those staples of the
modern invasion idea, the superior extraterrestrial technology, the idea of
planets in conflict, humanity on the brink of destruction at
the hands of a hostile alien force, and also of
course the gorilla resistance and vision by Wells, where there

(50:37):
are humans fighting back and fundamentally by learning to replicate
the alien technology. But this of course goes deeper than
the writings of H. G. Wells, because these themes of extermination, colonization, enslavement,
harvesting Earth's resources right, treating humans like cattle. A lot

(50:58):
of this really seems to be symbolic of our very
own innate fear of technological inferiority and existential vulnerability. Right,
we see how we treat cattle, we see how we
treat other humans. What if there were a superior race
that came to Earth and they didn't treat us any
better than we have treated others? Right? And maybe in truth,

(51:20):
that's one of the reasons why so often alien invaders
either do look at least superficially like us. In some
instances where they don't actually resemble humans naturally, they nonetheless
alter their appearance, or they are using some kind of
a unique mechanism of infiltrating our society by looking like us. Yes,

(51:40):
the Germ Growers may have been one of the earliest
sci fi references to that, but the more famous one
is Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The alien invaders are
so dangerous because they're already in our midst their right
next to us. You don't know who might be one
of them, but they're interesting social ideas right there too.
Because at the time that those stories is, especially Invasion

(52:01):
of the Body Snatchers, that story appears coinciding with real
life concerns about the so called Red Scare. We were
worried about communists subversion, right, and yes. In fact, some
of the reasons that UFO groups were being monitored by
the intelligence community back in those days was actually because
there were concerns that UFO groups, rather than genuinely trying

(52:23):
to find information about space brothers or trying to unite
people under common goals toward meeting them, no, they were
actually a front organization for you guessed it, communist sympathizers.
Nick read From wrote an excellent book about that called
On the Trail of the Saucer Spies. So indeed, there
is this indelible link between the idea of alien visitation

(52:45):
and the real world Cold War era concerns about the Communists,
the Red Scare, and their potential integration into society, albeit covertly.
And guess what they actually were doing that There are
the famous, known historical examples of Communist spies living among
us in our communities, assimilating into our society, but all

(53:06):
the while they are surveilling us, and they are sending
information back to headquarters every now and then. Though some
science fiction authors have shaken things up a bit, gotten
a little creative with these motifs. We look at Ray
Bradbury and the Martian Chronicles, stories like this switch the
script in the sense that humanity becomes the alien threat.
We are the invaders. Of course, It's important to point out, though,

(53:29):
that the fact that the humans being the invaders still
very much mirrors the issues involving colonialism and other things
environmental exploitation. After all, humans have long practiced the exploitation
of our environment, you know, the harvesting of natural resources,
often to the detriment of ecosystems and the life forms

(53:52):
that live there. So maybe in the real world you
could look at humans as being, if not an alien
invasive species, at least may be a kind of a
virus that is slowly eating away at our planet over time.
But this raises another question, of course, because if humans
are using the natural environment to our benefit but thereby

(54:14):
slowly destroying our planet and depleting it of its resources,
what then happens if aliens ever do come visit. If
we are that harsh on the environment, what happens when
another civilization arrives and they come here from Afar with
similar intent to harvest resources. I mean, there's barely enough
here on Earth for us, let alone for any space

(54:35):
fearing alien civilization or invaders who might arrive here. Fortunately, However,
there are arguments against the idea that aliens, if they
came here, would be coming for resources, As some like
Seth Shostak have argued, aliens would have much easier access
to resources elsewhere. There are probably any number of interstellar

(54:55):
objects like three Eye Atlas, which we know already is
pretty rich in ice, but it's also got to other
things that would be useful to any traveling aliens out there.
There are resources that could be harvested from exoplanets throughout
the universe, a range of different locations and different resources
that could be exploited by any spacefaring civilizations before they
would necessarily have to come all this way to Earth,

(55:17):
even if we are one of those beloved habitable planets.
But even beyond the idea of whether aliens would have
easier access to resources elsewhere, there is still the question
of whether aliens would necessarily travel through space themselves, as
opposed to sending out space probes. Many astronomers argue that again,

(55:37):
robotic probes would most likely precede any direct contact, and therefore,
if we were to learn about the existence of aliens,
it's probably not going to be when they arrive. It
will instead be when we intercept or observe one of
their space probes. Although, coming back to something we discussed
right before the break, many modern UFO researchers laugh at

(55:58):
those kinds of ideas because they say, again, fundamentally, the
astronomers who say we're not going to meet aliens, we're
only going to see their probes day. Of course, those
astronomers overlook the simple idea that aliens could be centuries
or maybe even more than that in advance of us,
and if they are traversing interstellar distances, may not be
as impossible as it is for spacefarers of today here

(56:21):
on Earth. What we can't do could be child's play
for those aliens, And so maybe we should still be concerned.
But again I would have to argue, and maybe this
is presumption on my part, but if alien life far
more advanced than we are, possesses technology that can carry
them across the stars, and they could reach us, and
they physically could travel here, how likely is it then

(56:45):
that they would be so hungry for resources having harnessed
such incredible, almost magical technology. I mean, how likely is
it that they would need to come here for resources?
They could go anywhere in the universe that they ever
wanted to. For all we know, if they harness the
ability to traverse interstellar distances and could make their way here,
they may be able to harvest all kinds of resources

(57:07):
out of seemingly thin air, right out of the vacuum.
Point being, it seems highly likely that if they could
get here, that they would therefore need to come here
if driven by a necessity for resources. If they're that advanced,
they probably have essentially every resource you could imagine at
their fingertips. So the good news is based on most

(57:28):
logical interpretations. When it comes to advanced aliens. Most paths
tend to lead away from the idea that an invasion
is possible, or at very least that it's likely even
if aliens were able to get here. But to come
back around to the position of many astronomers again, they
would say, look the nearly incomprehensible distances between stars, the

(57:48):
enormous energy cost for interstellar travel. Let's say they could
get here. Now, look at the energy cost of fueling
and funding and interstellar war. Look at how much war
costs right here on Earth. Do you really think an
alien species is going to go to all that trouble
just to come here and try and take over our planet.
I mean, the benefits would probably greatly outweigh the costs

(58:12):
involved in getting here and waging said war. Further, in
terms of the strategy and the economics of the situation,
there's no strategic reason to target Earth specifically when those
raw materials are more abundant across the cosmos, and therefore
most logical arguments at the end of the day would
have to indicate that a planetary invasion scenario, a resource

(58:33):
gathering tactic is probably going to be inefficient and therefore
most likely improbable. And of course, finally, most conventional astronomers
would argue, we have never seen any evidence that aliens
are traveling here, so why would we ever even worry
about these kinds of things. Now we have to ask
what about the UAP, Because even if most mainstream astronomers

(58:55):
say no evidence of aliens yet, some of the UAP
sidings are intrigued, but they don't directly indicate extraterrestrial visitation.
So let's not get ahead of ourselves on that point.
There are the UAP theorists who would say, but look,
we've been collecting data on UFOs for decades, and it
does seem very plausible based on that data that these
things could be evidence of extraterrestrial technology. So should we

(59:19):
be concerned? Well, again, for my own part, if aliens
are indeed what UAP or some UAP represent and invasion
is still on their menu, they certainly are playing the
long game. They will have built up quite an appetite,
I'd have to say. But you also look at these
stealth capabilities that UAP appear to demonstrate. You may recall

(59:41):
former Deputy Director of AERO Tim Phillips doing a couple
of podcast appearances a while back and describing the fact
that the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office has collected reports
involving what they characterize as orange fireball or spherical type
UAP as well as these mysterious black triangles, and Tim
Phillips said that both these varieties of UAP as described

(01:00:04):
in eyewitness reports that ERO has collected, seem to demonstrate
a desire not to be seen. They seem to demonstrate
various stealth capabilities. One example that Tim Phillips described was
one of these orange spherical UAP was hovering near a
US government facilitium. In one of these guards comes outside
and observes the thing from a distance, It moves off

(01:00:25):
to the side of the road, and then it blinks
out like it's trying not to be seen. And for
Tim Phillips, his interpretation of the fact that some uap
appear to engage in various maneuvers or capabilities that reduce
their ability to be detected. This to him suggested that
these are somebody's technology. In other words, somebody here on Earth.
You may recall Tim Phillips saying explicitly that if it

(01:00:48):
was aliens, they wouldn't care one way or another. With
the fact that they demonstrate a desire not to be
seen or appear to try and hide themselves, that clearly
tells me that somebody on Earth is behind these things. Now,
for my own part, there's quite a logical leap there.
In my opinion, I don't know how you could conclude
that just because an apparent object or technology of unknown

(01:01:11):
origin doesn't seem to want to be detectable, that this
therefore indicates it's from Earth. How do you know aliens
wouldn't care whether they are seen or not. Again, we
often hear scientists saying why would aliens ever come to Earth?
And not drop down on the White House lawn and
introduce themselves. But these kinds of presumptions themselves, I think

(01:01:31):
are very highly influenced by the science fiction of yesteryear
films like The Day the Earth Stood Still or maybe
also Earth versus the Flying Saucers, or recent examples like
a Rival, and also going all the way back to
the War of the Worlds, these stories all have one
thing in common. When aliens get here, you know it

(01:01:52):
because they are either directly attempting to communicate with us
if they're benevolent, or they are at war with us
because they are trying to invade. And even though that
is purely fiction, you often see many interpretations by side
us join the case of mister Phillips from Airo. These
are government officials who seem to be highly influenced by
science fiction representations of how we expect aliens would act,

(01:02:16):
and this ends up informing their expectations of what aliens
would behave like in the real world. And therefore why
we presume we have never seen evidence of aliens. When
aliens try to hide themselves, they wouldn't come all this
way and then try to hide again, how do we
know that? And so In conclusion, I think that one
of the most important things about the interest we have

(01:02:37):
in alien invasion and the fact that this has remained
a cultural staple for as long as it has, is
the fact that, yes, we have our own interferes that
are often driven by human behaviors. What our science fictional
representations of how we expect aliens would behave, often, unbeknownst
to us, influences our attitudes towards the study of unexplained phenomena,

(01:03:00):
and yes, to an extent, I think we've also seen
that a bit with Three Eye Atlas. When something appears
from out of nowhere and it's behaving really strangely, sometimes
it can seem so baffling that even the most well
trained and expert astronomers and physicists among us start saying,
maybe it really is aliens. In the case of three

(01:03:22):
Eye Atlas, I don't think so, but I'm definitely open
to possibilities when it comes to the broader questions about
the anomalous in our existence. All right, guys, that's all
for now. As always, follow our work online at micahnks
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