Unidentified in Earth’s Oceans - The USO Controversy and 3I ATLAS Update

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Report of unidentified flying outre unidentified VERYO phonomenica hoday there weapons.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Being tested by our own or foreign governments.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
The Americans people are becoming most interested and in many instances.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Very alarmed by the UFO stories.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
So why do you suppose that all of this has
been kept from the world? Exploring our past, our future,
and the mysteries of our universe?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Where do they come from?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Why can't you explain it? Everybody in uthology is screaming
for disclosure.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
The future is now. This is Micah Hanks.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
From the high mountains of Appalachia and a bunker below ground. Welcome,
one and all. It is the Micah Hanks Program. Glad
once again to be getting behind the microphone and going
in pursuit of the anomalous in our existence like we
do every week. Listen on demand via podcasting apps everywhere.
Oh and of course a belated Happy Halloween to everybody

(00:57):
out there. I know many of you enjoy this time
of the year above all others, although if you're anything
like me, this time of the year also ends up
being one of the busiest times of the year. And
after spending all year daydreaming about the kinds of costumes
that you might piece together, and the things you might
go as As Halloween suddenly begins sneaking up on you

(01:17):
like some ghoulish monster in a misty cemetery, you realize
you're running out of time, and then you've got equipped
together a costume at the last minute. And yet I
still got a few compliments on the costume that I
wore to the party on Friday night. I actually have
this nineteen forties replica wooly pulley, which is the kind
of a wooly sweater that infantrymen would have worn during

(01:38):
the Second World War. And I like this one because
it resembles the one that actor Daniel Craig wore in
the final sequence of the last James Bond film, He
was in No Time to Die. I just love that
vintage World War Two era stuff, and the fact, of
course that they were bringing some of those nods to
the earlier James Bond films and even the novels by
Ian Fleming into those last couple of films that they

(02:01):
made with Daniel Craig. But anyway, I put my costume together,
I thought it looked pretty good. I show up at
the event and immediately people are saying things like, Hey, Micah,
let me guess you're going as one of the cat
burglars who recently robbed the Louver, right.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I guess it was probably the leather gloves that I
added for a little extra effect. But hey, at least
I have my costumes together. And many of you out
there on social media were sharing images of the costumes
that you wear, some of you guys celebrating the twelve
days of Halloween. One costume isn't good enough? Huh Again,
I wish I had the time for that. One of
these days, I'm gonna plan out everything in advance. I'm

(02:37):
gonna build that Ironman costume that I've been promising I
was going to do, complete with lights and gadgets all
hooked up. I've only been planning to do that since
I was about fourteen years old. So maybe next year
will be the year to make it happen. Well, I
guess there were a few scary things happening recently for
some folks as the Halloween season approached. Because recently there

(02:58):
was a couple in South austral and more than just
being a little scared after what happened to them, They're
really lucky to be alive because guess what, they're leaving
the dealership They just bought a brand new Tesla when
something struck their vehicle. Yes, we have another mystery object
report here. So Andrew and Joe Melville Smith were driving

(03:20):
home from the dealership where they bought their Tesla and
Adelaide when suddenly a violent impact occurs. Something shatters their wingshield.
They're being showered with glass inside their brand new vehicle.
It's also filling up with smoke, and although Andrew, who
was driving at the time, was pretty disoriented. Fortunately, since
it was a Tesla, the car was in self driving

(03:41):
mode and so it stayed on the road instead of
veering off the highway, even though it had just been
struck by this object. He believes, in fact, and I
think he's correct, that the autonomous system on board that
vehicle may in fact have saved their lives. Well, the
couple had been traveling through a remote stretch of highway
when this all happened. There weren't any storms or anything

(04:02):
that were occurring around that time. Since it is a Tesla,
of course, it's equipped with a number of cameras. But
apparently the cameras didn't actually capture this object either, because
it seemed that the car was moving too fast at
the time. And so right now scientists are trying to
investigate exactly what could have struck their vehicle, and really,
in my opinion, they're probably just a couple of possibilities. Well,

(04:23):
if we want to get really out there with this,
we could also maybe a surmise that low flying UAP
struck their vehicle. I mean, I guess technically for the
time being, until the object is identified, it will technically
be an unidentified aerial phenomena or flying object. But the
leading theories for scientists right now at least are that

(04:45):
this object that struck the car was either a meteorite,
and that, by the way, would be pretty notable because
to date, there are no known or at least no
confirmed instances where a meteorite has actually struck a moving vehicle.
So if that were the case, this would maybe actually
be a historic first. But one of the other possibilities,
of course, is that maybe this was space debris. And

(05:08):
just imagine for a moment the irony if it were
confirmed that this was space debris that struck this vehicle,
because one of the leading suspects would probably be a
portion of a SpaceX spacecraft that made its way back
to Earth. There are, of course, other possibilities, and I'll
also say that we can probably rule out something like

(05:29):
a Starlink satellite. We reported recently on the show that
indeed there are a lot of those. They're re entering
Earth's atmosphere every day. But again, those satellites are small
enough that they're going to burn up before they make
their way back to Earth. The same, however, may not
be said about some of the larger space debris associated
with SpaceX spacecraft, like the Dragon capsule for instance. If

(05:50):
you recall, we had a portion of one of those
crashed to Earth right here in western North Carolina a
couple of years ago. So indeed, it would be novel
if this were proved to be a meteorite. It would
be extremely ironic if it turned out that a SpaceX
spacecraft or a portion of one that survived Earth reentry
crashed into a Tesla motor vehicle.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Right.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'd also be equally interested to see how mister Musk
might potentially spin that, because while he might say, hey,
you know the fact that this self driving car stayed
on the road. This saved this couple's life. We would
also have to acknowledge that a portion of one of
his company's spacecraft potentially did the damage. So if that
were proven, I guess it would be a bit of

(06:35):
a catch twenty two huh. In other news, and this
based on something I recently reported there for us at
the debrief, scientists in China have just done something really interesting,
in fact, a bit mind warping, because they've created special
materials that they say can make light behave as if
it's traveling through hidden tunnels or even entering different realities

(06:57):
at the same time, which essentially is mirroring ideas. Mimicking
I think is the term they use, which we would
expect in association with things like wormholes and parallel universes.
So specifically, what they did was they engineered optical materials
which they say allowed them to use a single piece
of material that could act like two different devices at

(07:18):
one time, depending on how light entered this material. If
it came in one direction, the light traveled to an
invisible tunnel kind of like a wormhole, whereas when entering
from another angle, the same material seems to behave like
a completely different object similar I would argue to how
Schrodinger's cat can be both alive and dead at once,

(07:40):
as proposed by the famous man who came up with
that thought experiment, named of course after mister Schrodinger. But
this breakthrough suggests, according to the Chinese scientists behind this,
that optical physicists are now able to simulate effects normally
associated with what they call higher dimensional physics, and they're
now doing this in a lab, and that these so

(08:01):
called photonic parallel spaces that's what they call these, could
lead to future technologies where a single device performs multiple
functions at once. Again kind of like the cat is
both alive and dead at the same time. Right. So,
in short, while researchers aren't really creating wormholes or multiverses,
they do say that they've shown a practical way to

(08:23):
mimic those ideas using light, and now they're saying that
this could open the doorway to new kinds of optical
systems and advanced multipurpose technologies. Just imagine some of the
kinds of things that they could possibly do, especially when
it comes to, oh, I don't know, maybe creating unique
kinds of optical camouflage. Maybe even functional invisibility cloaks Harry

(08:44):
Potter style stuff brought to life, but by a very
different kind of magic than that which they use in
the Harry Potter universe. Know, in this case, we're relying
on optical physics to do really strange stuff. Yeah, it's
going to be interesting to see what they do in
the next few years. With that, also jumping over into
a bit of UFO news, many of you probably saw

(09:05):
recently that Vice President jd Vance recently weighed in on
the UFO issue and the possibility of non human intelligence.
Although in the clipping question, which is actually a very
brief statement made at the very end of a lengthier interview,
he essentially says that things that people see which they
might call UFOs or aliens, he ascribes potentially a different

(09:29):
source to some of those phenomena. In fact, I want
to play a short SoundBite from that interview, which appeared
on the Podforce one podcast. This is what Vice President
jd Vance had to say about his interpretation of UAP
and related phenomena.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I wouldn't say that I do or don't believe it.
I mean, I'm a big believer that there are things
out there that we can't explain, and so if another
person sees an alien, maybe I see an angel or
a demon. So I'm a big believer that there are
like spiritual forces working on the physical world that a
lot of us s don't see, and a lot of

(10:03):
us still understand and a lot of us still appreciate.
But you know, is it aliens or is it our
guardian angel? Or is it aliens? Or is it a
not so guardian force that doesn't care about us or
in fact actively wishes this harm. I don't know the
answer to that question. What I try to do is
I try to say my prayers, I try to be

(10:23):
as good of a person as I can be, and
I try to do a good job, and hopefully that's
all I need to do.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Well.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Those are some interesting statements there from our second in command.
I would argue that probably, based on what he had
to say there, he hasn't been attending very many briefings
with too many of the Navy personnel or other military
personnel who describe seeing physical, tangible objects that they have tracked.
And you know, I'm not trying to take anything away
from anybody's belief systems. Lots of people probably do think

(10:52):
that UAP are more likely to be something that we
would call in modern parliament and are dimensional phenomena, but
which throughout time have been perceived as angels or demons
or deities or whatever. But again, based on what the
Vice President is saying in that audio SoundBite, there he
again at least seems to gravitate toward those kinds of
explanations for these things, whereas in recent years, really I

(11:15):
think that most of the debate has focused primarily on
the physical attributes of the phenomenon, the fact that we've
got a Pentagon office that's tracking these phenomena, and of
course that they are now collecting data on the kinds
of signatures that they produce, and of course evaluating possibilities
that may include much more down to earth explanations for
some of these alleged UAP, namely that some of these

(11:39):
objects could potentially be surveillance platforms and a few kind
of weird ones as well, in use by foreign adversary
nations like China or Russia. Now, again, that is arguably
one of the least interesting things UAP could be, especially
for my own part, it's also one of the more
concerning possibilities. I guess my own part, and this is

(12:01):
just my opinion, but I would prefer to hear our
second in command saying, hey, you know, it's a very
nuanced issue. We've got a lot of our best and
brightest with the US military who say they've had personal
encounters with this, and because of that, we've also got
a official office within the Pentagon that is currently trying
to get to the bottom of what these phenomena are.
But if there's any kind of a potential that any

(12:21):
of these represent a threat, whether it's through intelligence collection
or anything else, the US is going to do its
best to get to the bottom of it. And of course,
if we find out that these are something else entirely,
we've got scientists on the job. We're going to try
and provide information to scientists in the civilian sector, and
if we can't figure out what it is, maybe they will.
Obviously that's not what we heard, but then again, perhaps

(12:44):
the Vice President has other things on his mind, although
it is interesting to hear that he likes so many
others in government, also has an interest in the UAP issue.
One more quick news story before we get into some
deeper analysis involving the same subject, because I want to
to touch on three iatlasts. We did a full episode
about this a few weeks ago, and of course that

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was before the object reached what's known as perihelion, and
that's what we're going to be talking about in the
next segment. Although I do want to mention that now
apparently three iAtlas has reportedly reappeared from behind the sun.
There are some initial reports from astronomers who are now
getting images of the object. In fact, I think on

(13:25):
his appearance on Joe Rogan recently, Harvard astronomer Avi Loebe
said that there were some astronomers that were already successfully
getting images of the object. I'd sure love to see
those images that were supposedly obtained from the Mars Reconnaissance
orbiter and the high Rise camera on board that space
probe in orbit around Mars right now. Unfortunately, with the

(13:45):
ongoing government shutdown, NASA hasn't been updating its websites and
therefore they haven't released very much new information about what
they may have collected about three iatlists. So, for all
we know, we may have the best images that anybody's
ever seen, never seen, I should say, because NASA can't
release them given the current state of the United States government,

(14:06):
which is now one of the longest shutdowns in history.
But we've also seen recent reporting from the BBC asking
whether we will be able to visit interstellar comets like
three eye at Lists with spacecraft in the future. The
short answer is yes, although we probably aren't going to
be able to do that with three eye at Lists
this time around. We'll have to wait for another similar
object to come whizzing through our solar system. But there

(14:29):
were some very intriguing things we observed regarding the latest
interstellar visitor as it made its closest approach to the Sun.
I want to dive into that, what it could possibly
mean and why it's also generating controversy when we come
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Speaker 1 (17:06):
Did the mysterious interstellar visitor three I Atlas recently show
signs of alien technology? It's a pretty bold claim. Not
everybody has ruled that out, although I have my own
thoughts on that possibility. Welcome back. It is the Micah
Hanks program. Yes, indeed, there's been so much attention placed

(17:27):
on three I Atlas in recent weeks. And you're probably
yourself already in one of two camps. Either you are
following each of these updates with bated breath, or you
might be, like a few of the rest of us,
you're getting a little tired of the hype and the misinformation.
Or maybe all along you could have cared less. What
is a three eye atlas anyway? And why does this

(17:49):
even matter? Is it anything that we should be even
remotely worried about? Well, first, let's cover some of those
questions for those who have not been following the three
eyeatless controversy. And yes, it is a controversy. The primary
reason why is because a it is a rare interstellar
object that has been confirmed and it is passing through

(18:10):
our Solar System. It was first spotted on July first,
and ever since its discovery it has indeed been doing
some really weird things. Now that's not entirely unexpected. And again,
for those who did not listen yet to an episode
I did a few weeks back, which provided a pretty
comprehensive overview, I think, as far as a podcast format

(18:30):
can do regarding the three I Atlas debate. We went
over all the different things that it's doing that make
it a very strange object, and fundamentally, I argued then,
as I argue now, that it's not unexpected that an
object from interstellar space would be behaving very differently from
the kinds of objects we're used to seeing. And the

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reason for that is because objects that are native to
our Solar System are going to be influenced by the
gravity of larger bodies like planets and of course the Sun.
If they are comets and they've been flying around in
our Solar System for eons, they follow very predictable orbits,
and when those orbits bring those objects closer to the Sun,

(19:13):
it causes the material on their surfaces to bake off,
and so objects that have been hanging around in our
solar system for eons are going to not only behave
pretty predictably, they're going to be gravitationally bound to other
objects in our solar system or too essentially the Solar
system itself, and therefore they're going to behave in very
expectable ways. They will have already gone through cycles of

(19:35):
burning off material, and so when they, or more specifically
comets in our Solar system exhibit comet like features that
we associate with such space objects, they have already probably
been doing that in many cases for a very long time.
And so these objects generally have a tail, they usually
have a glow, and they often have a pretty bright

(19:56):
appearance when they do appear in the sky, and they
can be photographed from Earth and sometimes in some pretty
vivid and beautiful photography by amateur astronomers as well as
professional ones. Three IYE Atlas essentially didn't do a lot
of those things, and the things that it did do
that seemed to betray its identity as a comet were
still really weird. But again that makes sense considering that

(20:18):
this object's been drifting through interstellar space in a frozen environment,
essentially for who knows how many eons, who knows when
the last time it interacted with a star like our
Sun might have been, And now that it's coasting through
our Solar System, it is not gravitationally bound to other
objects like those native comets here on our own planetary

(20:41):
neighborhood are. It wasn't immediately displaying a tale or a coma.
It began to develop those things you guessed it as
it began to approach the Sun. But given the strange
trajectory and the unusual appearance of three iye atlas, even
though most astronomers say, well, these are little weird, but
they're the kinds of things we would expect an old

(21:02):
object moving really fast and entering our Solar System after
careening through interstellar space for an untold amount of time.
These are exactly the kinds of things we would expect
to commet to do if it had similar origins to
that we expect three I atlists to have. There are
still a few astronomers who have taken a slightly different

(21:24):
perspective on all this, most notably, of course, Harvard theoretical
physicist Auvi Lobe, and Avi, of course, who's been a
contributor there at the debrief for a number of years,
has really garnered a lot of attention for his commentaries
on three iatlists. Now, I'll point out he's by no
means the only person who has raised a lot of

(21:44):
the controversy surrounding this object. We'll talk about a few
others here in a second. But again, Avi has really
championed the possibility without necessarily marrying himself to this idea.
He certainly championed the idea that three iatlists could actually
be an alien probe of some kind, and that there
are clear ways we might determine if indeed three I

(22:07):
atlas were a technological artifact produced by some kind of
intelligence out there. And one of the ways, he said,
that we might actually be able to determine this about
this object even if we can't get a really good
look at it with our ground based and space based
telescopes and imaging systems. He said, one thing we might
be able to do is track its movement and as

(22:27):
it reaches its nearest point to the sun, if it
starts doing some really strange things, that might be one
early indication that we are looking at a spacecraft of
some kind. Well, lo and behold, there was a report
by a JPL scientist with NASA. His name is David Farnoccia.

(22:48):
And in this report, it's a very short, very technical,
little report that appeared online. Keep in mind, again with
the government shut down, although he's a JPL employee, he
presumably wasn't doing this work in any official capacity with NASA.
He was just obtaining the data and making this available online.
But being a researcher at JPL, it was good to
see some NASA data coming out amid the government shutdown,

(23:10):
and especially considering all the attention that's being placed on
this unusual object at this time when some astronomers are saying, hey,
we really need to be paying attention to this object
right now. So mister Farnoccia apparently was, and in his
brief technical report that appeared online recently, it did seem
to indicate that three I Atlas has displayed non gravitational perturbations.

(23:35):
That effectively, we are seeing non gravitational movement exhibited by
this object. Now, why is that important? What would that
even indicate? Well, one interpretation of non gravitational movement could
be that this object was engaging in some kind of
a maneuver, and there are certain maneuvers that we would
expect spacecraft to do if they were nearing a large

(24:00):
large body like the Sun. And in fact, this very
kind of a maneuver, a so called obirth effect or
obirth maneuver, has been described previously by Avi Lobe. Also,
theoretical physicist Michio Kaku appeared on Newsmax just a few
days before three I Atlas reached perihelion, and doctor Kaku
also said, we need to be watching around the time

(24:22):
of perihelion and see if this thing performs some kind
of an O Birth effect type maneuver. Now, the O
Birth effect specifically involves when a spacecraft enters a gravitational
well around a planet or a star like our Sun,
and essentially, when the spacecraft falls under the gravitational influence
of that large body, then what it does is it

(24:44):
fires its engines, and this allows the spacecraft to obtain
more kinetic energy than it would if it were just
using its rocket or its engines, whatever kind of a
propulsion system it has. Once it fires those engines on
its own, it can move through space, but it can
get a whole lot more kinetic energy build up by
getting that assistance from gravity. And so this is why

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many astronomers were saying, Hey, if this thing is a spaceship,
then when it reaches its very closest point to the Sun,
that's when we could expect it to fire its engines
if it were trying to engage in any kind of
a gravitational maneuver I e. And O birth effect style
tenetic assist and lo and behold. Based on that report
by David Farnoccia from JPL, apparently we did observe some

(25:32):
evidence of non gravitational movement as through eye Atlas neared
the Sun. Now, of course, I've got a pretty good
plain language breakdown of all this in an article we
featured there at the debrief over the weekend. I'll spare
you all the facts and the figures and all the
specifics for right now, but I do want to point
out that although it is novel, it is certainly very

(25:53):
interesting that there is some evidence of non gravitational movement
that we saw around the time of perihelion. Let's just
be clear, this is also something that we would expect
a comet to do. Why is that the case well, again,
as the object gets at its very closest point to
the Sun, the heat from the Sun is also going
to cause a whole lot of material to start baking

(26:15):
off of the object in question, and so AVI Lobe
and others have conceded that when three iye Atlas makes
its appearance on the other side of the Sun, and again,
according to reports I'm seeing today, some astronomers apparently are
already getting images, that itself might be a clue because
if astronomers on Earth are able to see three iyeatlasts
already and they're getting decent images, that very well may

(26:35):
be because a whole lot of material was baked off
of its surface. It's glowing more brightly now and therefore
it's more visible, and more and more astronomers probably in
the days ahead we'll be able to see it. All
of that to me suggests that indeed it is continuing
to behave as astronomers would expect a comet would behave,
and furthermore, with all that material being baked off, that

(26:57):
also is probably a natural mechanism that could explain the
apparent non gravitational perturbations, the lacks of which David Farnoccia
and many other astronomers out there had been looking for.
So I will be very clear in saying that, no,
we did not see any clear evidence of some kind
of an alien spacecraft performing a maneuver. Instead, what we

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saw is something that is very much open to interpretation,
but which still aligns with a natural explanation for three
IE Atlas. And again, writing at his medium page, doctor
Avi Lobe has also said that natural phenomena could explain
what we're seeing, and in fact that in the days
ahead will probably see evidence of that, and therefore we
will have a pretty clear idea as the object is

(27:42):
making its way around the Sun one way or another. Now,
I mentioned earlier that Avi Lobe is by no means
the only astronomer out there right now who has supposed
that we should maybe be open to the idea of
what Again, astronomers these days refer to as techno signatures
evidences of technology with relation to objects like three I Atlas,

(28:03):
And there are some really good reasons why that's the case.
Of course, obviously laid out the case why he thinks
the object itself could be alien technology, an alien spacecraft,
or a probe of some kind in likelihood those who
are sympathetic to this position. It would not be some
kind of a manned spacecraft or a crude spacecraft, I
should say, because it wouldn't be humans on board this

(28:24):
thing right now. It's more likely a probe, and it's
probably going to behave the way that we would expect
probes to behave based on our launching of space probes
out there to study distant planets at other cosmic phenomena.
Keep in mind, we've actually got a couple of interstellar
probes out there ourselves, the Voyager probes, which have made
their way out there into really deep space and presumably
are going to continue on their mission right now. For

(28:47):
the time being, they're broadcasting data back to Earth, but
that's not going to happen forever. Eventually, the Voyager probes
are going to completely run out of power. They're going
to be so far out there that we can't receive
signals from them very easily. Combination with time will ensure
that those most distant human made objects of all time
become derelict space probes that will just probably continue to

(29:09):
wander the cosmos until who knows how long, maybe they
will actually enter a star system at some point. I
mean conceivably they will eventually, and when they do, maybe
alien beings in said star system eons from now will
observe this object and wonder whether they're seeing a comet
as well. But again, my point regarding three iyetlis here

(29:30):
is that even if it were alien technology, it would
probably be something akin to our own space probes that
we've sent out there. But then we've got astronomers like
Adam Frank and a lot of his colleagues, and some
of them have actually co authored papers saying, hey, look,
we should be open minded about where techno signatures may
emerge from. We have spent years looking for signals from

(29:52):
the stars. We have found zero evidence, or at least
zero confirmed evidence that indicates intelligent life is out there.
And in fact, an interstellar object like three Eye Atlas,
even if it is a natural object, would actually be
an excellent place to put a real technological probe, because
then our technology doesn't have to fly on its own.

(30:14):
It can just hitch a ride on a speeding interstellar comet,
and whenever this thing eventually makes its way into a
unique star system and we decide our probe wants to
be dispatched and learn about that star system. All that
has to happen is when the comet naturally begins outgassing
and releasing material as it gets heated up by some
start encounters again, in this case, our sun. Then it's

(30:37):
going to release our little probe, which of course will
sense that it has been baked off the surface of
this interstellar comet, and it's going to start doing its mission,
whatever that is it's designed to do, or that it
was eons ago designed to do by an alien civilization,
a group of ancient aliens that are so old they
may no longer even exist. This is one reason why

(30:58):
a lot of astronomers, actually I think that the most
likely evidence of other forms of intelligence that we will
encounter will actually be the remnants of those intelligences. Those
civilizations and the technology they produced were more likely to
find evidence of things that once existed than we are
to find evidence of things that exist today. Some even

(31:19):
apply those ideas to UAP. Interestingly enough, what if indeed,
autonomous von Neumann probes were launched throughout space long ago
by some intelligence, and some of them made their way
across the cosmos, and they've parked themselves in the atmosphere
around Earth, or maybe they're operating in our oceans. Maybe
they're doing all kinds of things here on Earth, and

(31:39):
they wouldn't necessarily have to actually be representatives of the
civilization from which they originate. They could be probes that
were launched a long long time ago. They might be
artificially intelligent. They might be self replicating, and one of
their reasons for being here around Earth could have to
do with that self replication process. They're looking for materials

(31:59):
they can further their AI mission that they were programmed
to do eons ago. Yes, even the UAP might be
evidence of ancient aliens that no longer exist. But as
far as three I at list goes, I think we're
pretty certain right now that the abundance of the data
points to a comet. It's just that even if it
is a natural object. Some astronomers have said, hey, but

(32:23):
what if you never know unless you look, And that's
why we should be doing radio astronomy when it comes
to objects like this. We should be looking for signals,
maybe not from much further out there, but from nearby objects.
On the outside chance that some of these display signs
of technology that nobody ever expected to see, but now
coming up when we return after this, there's a new

(32:43):
report about those near Earth objects, the ones I was
talking about that might be operating in our oceans. We're
going to talk about usos a little bit and what
a new report says about them when we return right
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Are mysterious objects being spotted along the United States coast?
More broadly, are there mysterious objects all around the world
that are operating in our oceans and in large bodies
of water? Welcome back, right to dive into that question.
No pun intended here in just a moment. First, I

(35:25):
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(36:07):
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content for ex subscribers. Now getting back into this discussion,
I mentioned, of course that there is a new report

(36:29):
that is examining the subcategory of UAP phenomenon known as
USOS unidentified submerged objects again the underwater equivalents of UFOs.
According to this new report, which was produced by Enigma Labs,
the New York based UFO tracking. App Apparently, these kinds

(36:50):
of objects under cufos have been reported for centuries, with
sightings ranging from medieval chronicles to modern US Navy censored,
and they give examples of both kinds in this report,
which is freely available and you can read it online.
The report argues that these objects are described as moving
at extreme speeds, performing sharp maneuvers, and transitioning between water

(37:12):
and air without disturbing the surface, suggesting possible trans medium capabilities. Now,
according to this report, usos the folks at Enigma say,
are harder to study than airborne UAPs due to the
ocean's vastness, poor visibility, and limited underwater detection tools. And
although that's true, there's actually quite a lot of data

(37:34):
that's available about these. We'll get into some more about
that in the history of USO siding reports here in
just a bit. But as I mentioned, they also feature
a few examples of historical reports describing some of these objects.
Some of them just kind of luminous phenomena or orbs
that are moving around or entering or emerging from the water.
Other historical examples they cite do seem to be structured objects.

(37:57):
A few of the examples they include in this report,
for instance, a very well known incident from the nineteenth
century in Japan, are not stories that I would really
call usos. These to me are not actually UFO sidings.
Others that they cite could be interpreted that way, but
they actually don't provide enough data. And this is really

(38:18):
the problem more broadly with looking at early historical data
when it comes to UAP, because anything at very least
from the last century, and especially since the World War
II era up until the present, we generally can interpret
those sidings through the lens of modernity, whereas if we
look at sightings from the fourteen hundred to fifteen hundreds,

(38:40):
often what is described may superficially sound like a UFO,
but we're also having to take into consideration how it
is being filtered through the lens of the people's ideology
and culture from that period. The limitations of their knowledge
were they describing that something, to our mind sounds an
awful lot like a UFO, but what they were actually
observing was something more like a comet or a meteor.

(39:04):
But they didn't have a full understanding of those phenomena,
and so they give this marvelous account of seeing something
like that, which to our modern ears, if we aren't careful,
we equally may misinterpret. So you really got to be
careful with some of those historical reports. But then the
Enigma Labs breakdown gets into modern US Navy encounters like
the two thousand and four USS Knimics tic Tac incident,

(39:26):
the twenty fifteen US Roosevelt incidents, the twenty nineteen USS
Omaha footage, And that particular footage interests me because it
was first actually confirmed to have been in the catalog
being examined by the UAP Task Force back around the
time it was leaked by the debrief and in an
article by yours Truly, in fact, although that one was
really a full team effort, a lot of folks were

(39:47):
working behind the scenes on getting that information together. And
the footage was leaked by filmmaker Jeremy Corbel, and it
does seem to show an object entering the ocean. Some
have tried to say, well, it's probably just a balloon,
at least as far as what the footage appears to show.
The object does appear to descend down below the water
level and continue traveling. In any case, whatever that object is,

(40:08):
it was indeed from a government source. The Pentagon confirmed that,
and it was one that the UAP Task Force looked like.
And now Enigma Labs, of course cites that as a
possible example of these so called USO events. Now, as
they go on to describe in the report, former Rear
Admiral Tim Galladet and Navy operational messages do seem to

(40:28):
highlight their instances where the military has been concerned about
near collisions with these objects. And again that doesn't just
apply to aircraft, because if there are objects operating in
our oceans and they're capable of high maneuverability, but they
are not following the kinds of standard procedures that maritime
operators normally operate under, indeed, they could pose a threat

(40:49):
to vessels at sea, submarines, ships, what have you. So
the USO issue presents some concerns as well, and Enigma's
report also gets into some suggestions to explanations that include
advanced human technology, classified military platforms. We look at things
like DARPA's matter Ray. If you've never seen that underwater drone,

(41:09):
it's pretty wild looking. We also have the Russian Poseidon
super torpedo, and these kinds of man made craft show
that silent, fast, unmanned underwater systems are actively being developed.
That's no secret, but still nothing seems to match the
reported USO behavior. And if some of these historical accounts,
for instance, the many that were logged during the Blue

(41:30):
Book era, if any of those historical accounts, even a
small number, do indicate there are some pretty advanced technologies
that have been operating in our oceans for decades at least,
doesn't seem like we had these kinds of DARPA drones
or the Russian Poseidon super torpedo or anything comparable to
these current systems way back when. So the natural question,

(41:50):
of course is whose were they. So the report from
Enigma Labs and it's titled Unidentified Submerged Objects USOS. Again,
you can read this online and I'll have a link
in the show notes. It goes over a number of
points that I think are relevant to this discussion. They're
very important. I agree that USOS should be taken seriously,
just as UAP siding report should be. But now here

(42:13):
is where I began to take issue with Enigma Labs,
and more specifically the way that they crowd source information
and how it is later presented online because at the
end of this article on usos, Enigma then includes a
gallery with several examples of possible usos that users of
its app have filmed and submitted. I'm looking at a

(42:35):
few of these right now, I recommend that you do
the same. And although some of these videos do superficially
look interesting, in most cases, I feel that there are
pretty down to earth explanations for what appear in these videos.
For instance, I'm looking at one here titled two bright
Lights Hovering Underwater. If you watch this video, it looks
pretty intriguing. There are what appear to be two green

(42:57):
lights moving under the water, and they're being filmed by
a couple of people in a boat. And although it
looks pretty weird initially, if you compare this footage to
videos that are obtained off and off the Florida coast,
and again, this footage was apparently made somewhere near Fort Lauderdale. Indeed,
there are many videos that can be obtained at various
times of the year down off the coast of Florida

(43:18):
that show bioluminescent organisms, and often what's happening is is
you have planked in or other bioluminescent organisms. And if
something in the water that's moving, like a school of
fish or even a person moving through the water, if
they disturb the surrounding bioluminescent organisms, they suddenly light up,
and this can cause some really interesting effects, especially when
you see a person that appears to be blue and

(43:40):
glowing swimming through the water. But no, they aren't in
chi that's just a person exciting the bioluminescent organisms in
the water around them. If I had to guess what
this particular video is showing, my first guess would be
that a this is biology, and it's probably the combined
appearance of something like sea turtles, porpoises, fish or even
small all schools of fish moving through the water, exciting

(44:03):
bioluminescent organisms and causing the appearance of independently moving bright
green lights under the water. And again I base that
on similar observations of known bioluminescence observed in the ocean
in that very same region of the world. Now even
leaving open the possibility that maybe these are genuine usos
in this video. I look at some of the other

(44:23):
videos that appear on here. We've got one titled large
building like shaped object hovering slowly, and when you watch
the video, it's pretty obvious that this is a blimp.
I mean, it is really painfully obvious that this object
in this video is a blimp. We've got other examples here,
for instance, large slow moving blimp like object. Pretty telling

(44:46):
that in the title they said it looked like a blimp,
because even in the comments, most of the people are
saying it looks like a blimp because it actually is
a blimp. Here's another one in the collection associated with
these USO encounters. It's titled fire ball lights moving diagonally.
Now it's a little more interesting looking, but again, my
guests in this case would be that we're probably seeing

(45:07):
flares being dropped as part of a military exercise and
controlled military airspace off the coast. Again, the sighting took
place at Pacific Beach in Washington and the United States.
One would imagine that we could probably determine pretty easily
if indeed these are just military flares being dropped. Another
possibility is that it could be so called candle balloons.

(45:27):
I think some of the objects in these videos that
I'm seeing here are probably satellites or the International Space Station,
and I haven't gone through all of them, but again,
my point is that there are a lot of things
in videos that have been submitted to Enigma Labs that
are obviously prosaic objects, and yet they're being included along
with this USO report, which overall is pretty good. And

(45:48):
this is the same gripe I've really had with a
lot of the images and videos that have been supplied
online by Enigma Labs. It doesn't seem like there's very
much of a vetting process going into the analysis of
the footage before they are made available online. By contrasts,
as I've mentioned with the UAP sidings reporting system, I
always try to provide a case resolution if I think

(46:09):
there's enough data, and if there's imagery or video, if
that can be used to help determine what the object is.
We try to do a case resolution rather than just
putting the data out there. And why is that important?
This is a very important point and I can't emphasize
this enough. I'm seeing in this report how Enigma says, hey,
we ran a statistical analysis across some of the community's accounts,

(46:31):
in other words, data about reports that they've been collecting,
and they provide all of this information based on statistical
analysis of quote over nine thousand US sidings within ten
miles of shorelines and major waterways that the Enigma network
has logged. Okay, great nine thousand sightings, and of course
we're doing all this analysis. Yet when I look at

(46:51):
these videos, I am seeing blimps, I'm seeing satellites, I'm
seeing what might be balloons or celestial objects. Sure, there
may be some legitimate at UAP, but again, if the
data that is being shared online crowdsourced from users of
the Enigma app, is going directly onto the website, there
aren't any case resolutions. And then those sighting reports of

(47:12):
prosaic objects like aircraft, balloons, blimps, candle balloons, military flaars,
what have you, if those objects are being incorporated into
the analysis of UAP sidings. My personal opinion here, and
I mean this respectfully, but that is not helping us
understand this phenomenon. We are incorporating a whole lot of

(47:33):
junk that people see every day and which at close
range nobody would mistake for a UAP into our data sets,
and we're using that as the basis of our analysis.
It's although I appreciate and I enjoy the USO report
that Enigma ABS has put out. Again. My concerns that
I've had all along remain the same. Without good analysis
and case resolutions when and where they are warranted, we

(47:56):
aren't expanding our knowledge of uap it's garbage in garbage out,
and that is indeed a problem. But now let's turn
our attention back to the historical question of USO's We're
going to dive into a few more reports here before
we wrap things up right here on the Micah Hanks Program.

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Speaker 1 (50:20):
USO's in our oceans. What are these mysterious objects out
there in my opinion, the USO question is no more
controversial really than the broader discussion about UAP. And again
with regard to what we discussed in the last segment,
I don't want to seem like I'm always being hard

(50:40):
on other investigators where I'm just a skeptic. But when
we can clearly look at videos being used to support
a report talking about USO sightings, and the examples being
given are obviously blimps and things that very clearly could
be resolved. Again, you can make phone call and say,

(51:00):
on this date, at this time, in this location, was
there a blimp being operated by any of the known
companies that fly blimps. You'd probably be able to find
those kinds of things out. I do that kind of
thing pretty frequently. You can also correlate meteor sidings, starlink satellites,
all kinds of things with people's UFO sidings, and you
have to do those case resolutions because otherwise, hey, anybody

(51:23):
could claim we've got the biggest website with the most
UFO sidings anywhere. Okay, great, but how many of those
cases that you're offering as examples of UAP can you
really with certainty argue our genuine anomalies. I think it's
the best cases, the ones that really defy explanation, that
we need to use as the basis for our analysis,

(51:44):
not just everybody's random reports of what, in many cases
are clearly blimps and other prosaic objects. But also fundamental
to this argument, in my opinion, is the historical aspect
of this, and that was a component of Enigma's analysis
and the report they featured there at their way website
as well. So I do agree that really the historical reports,
some of them are very interesting, and so are some

(52:06):
siding reports too. I want to give an example of
one that was submitted to the UAP Sidings Reporting system.
We have this one featured on the website, and although
I don't have video to accompany this, the witness description
that's provided is very interesting for a case like this
when it would really help if we had video. But
taken for what it is, this is the account, and
I want to quote verbatim according to what the witness

(52:28):
provided to me. They said, quote, I was staying at
the Marina Bay Club in Sunny Isles Beach, Florida between
April to May twenty twenty one with some friends during
the first week of May, I believe, specifically, on the second,
I was sitting on the balcony overlooking the water with
two other people. We had ordered food earlier and decided
to eat outside. It was a little before midnight when
our sighting occurred. As I was shifting my days from

(52:49):
the water to Prive Island, which was directly across from us,
A bright light from overhead caught my attention. As I
looked up to see what it was. I observed a
slow moving, glowing sphere to traveling in a downward curved
slope trajectory. It was around the size of a large suv,
maybe even slightly larger, but not by much. It was
as silent as the night, but I didn't see any

(53:10):
warmth from the light emitted by this UAP. As the
object got closer to the water, it briefly hovered a
few feet above before rapidly descending into the water quicker
than I can even blink. There wasn't any displacement of
water nor sound to this either. All of this occurred
in less than thirty seconds, if I can guess. The
witness said it felt unreal to experience this firsthand. I

(53:32):
sat there for a while gathering my thoughts, when my
friend nearest to me said, in a frantic voice, did
you see that? We both looked at each other and
compared notes. Our other friend wasn't paying attention to any
of this until she heard our conversation. She was looking
at her phone while it was happening and didn't witness
anything herself. It was a strange event, and I'll never
forget it. Experiencing this led me to research the topic

(53:55):
and find similar cases, And it took just a few months,
but I eventually came across the World War II Foo fighters.
This was the first time I read a description which
matched what we saw. Indeed, that's a really fascinating report,
and intriguingly, it sounds extremely similar to something that was
described to my brother by a couple of friends of
his in that instance. And yet again, this is just

(54:15):
an eyewitness encounter. There were no videos or images taken
at the time. I wish there had been. But in
this case, there had been two fishermen out on the
outer banks of North Carolina, and they'd been standing out
there in the surf fishing in the evening when suddenly
they say that an object came up out of the water,
hovered for a moment, and then it seemed to almost

(54:36):
blast like there was a subsonic frequency or something that
they felt more than they heard before. This object shot
off into the sky and flew away. And this really
frightened them the way that they described seeing this thing,
because it pops up out of the water, hovers for
a second, does whatever that thing was the subsonic maneuver,
and then it blasts off. But in this instance, not

(54:58):
only had there been an object that seemingly had been
operating underwater, it emerges from the water and then flies away.
If such a story is true, and again I can't
confirm or deny it, I only know that the individuals
who told this story to my brother are known to him,
and they seemed like credible witnesses. They weren't people who
follow UFOs or anything like that. They essentially just said,

(55:18):
we saw something weird, kind of wondered maybe if it
was something military, and we have no idea what it was.
But in many ways it does mirror, for instance, the
Siding report case number thirty nine from the UAP Sidings
Reporting System. And not only do I receive reports like this,
but like that witness did going back and finding the
World War two food fighter reports and finding that this
is the most similar to what they observed. Indeed, when

(55:41):
we go all the way back to the Project Blue
Book era, we also find some very intriguing reports involving
sidings by members of the military, sometimes the board ships
at sea, sometimes people along the coasts. But in any case,
these seem to be pretty good examples of the kinds
of USO phenomena and which occurred at times where there
shouldn't have been any kind of drones the likes of

(56:04):
which DHARPA or the Russian military or whomever might be
making today. In fact, there's a really interesting document that
you can read online. It's titled an Analysis of Bluebook
USO Cases. AF Rulan was the author of this, and
mister Rulan essentially went through the Project Blue Book reports
and identified two hundred and fifty eight of these reports
that were mostly logged from a board of ships operating

(56:26):
in the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans between the years of
nineteen forty eight in nineteen sixty eight. The encounters mostly
also involved, as you might guess, US Navy vessels, but
also there are some that are reported from Coastguard cutters.
Also a few civilian ships too, But most of these
reports occurred during the Cold War, which itself, of course

(56:47):
is notable because this is really when ocean surveillance and
air defense systems were beginning to really expand. Really we're
just getting underway at that point.

Speaker 5 (56:56):
Now.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Like the two cases that I was describing earlier, the
study that af Rulan does finds that most of these
maritime UFO reports were simple visual sightings, and the descriptions
provided by observers mostly described single lights moving in straight lines. Therefore,
we can assume, especially after nineteen fifty seven, that some
of these objects actually were satellites, a few probably were meteors,

(57:20):
some might have even been missiles. Around thirty six percent
of the cases ultimately were classified as satellites. A large
portion suffered from poor reporting quality. There were missing critical
details like the duration or altitude and behavior. Only about
five cases were designated truly unknown according to Blue Book,
and none of those involved US Navy warships. Now, of course,

(57:42):
the issue here is that, as many researchers would find
over the years, a lot of Project Blue Books determinations
even when a case did seem to describe truly anomalous phenomena,
and in some cases, even when there was technical data
like radar or even imagery, Blue Book would still try
to provide very simple explanations, seemingly in defiance of the

(58:03):
actual data collected. And indeed, it does seem that there
are a handful of cases. We'll look at some examples
here in a second, but some of the cases described
in af for Lawn's report on the Blue Book maritime
reports were actually a little more interesting. Also, based on
this analysis, reports essentially peaked in nineteen sixty two. That's
significant because it tends to overlap with early space age

(58:24):
and growing satellite traffic and Earth orbit. Many ships also
rather notably submitted their UFO reports through the jan App
DASH one forty six merient protocols, and that's significant because
although after the end of Project Blue Book, members of
the military would be advised to follow similar protocols when
they saw UFOs, and indeed UFO reports would continue to

(58:45):
be logged if they were deemed to be a threat
to national security out of the jan App directives. The
fact that many of the maritime accounts from this era
were actually reported through that protocol during the Blue Book
era seems to underscore how these aerial con and also
objects entering or emerging from the ocean as they were
were treated as possible national security concerns. They weren't just

(59:07):
logged as UFO sidings. These mariners often were concerned about
the things that they were seeing. So let's look at
a few notable cases here in the final minutes of
the program. We have, for instance, the USS Guiet on
November twentieth, nineteen sixty four, in the Atlantic northwest of
Puerto Rico. The destroyer US Giet had tracked a fast
moving object on radar that was approaching over mock I.

(59:29):
A Navy jet was scrambled from Puerto Rico to make
visual contact and they reported seeing this thing, and what
they reported seeing was a delta shaped, unlit craft about
the size of a fighter jet. The object accelerated beyond
mock I and then climbed steeply past fifty thousand feet
before disappearing. This case is unique because there were also
apparently radar detections that were made at the time, and

(59:52):
they seemed to confirm the extraordinary speed changes in the
maneuverability that this craft seemed to display. Interestingly, no craft
at that time sh have been able to do that,
and even though this object didn't match the performance characteristics
of any known aircraft, blue Book labeled it an aircraft regardless, which,
of course begs some interesting questions. Is it possible that

(01:00:12):
there was some kind of a highly experimental aircraft at
that time nineteen sixty four that would have been capable
of that? Is it possible that Blue Book investigators either
did not know or they did log this as an
aircraft because maybe they were clued in on some kind
of a classified project. I don't know. We also have
August fourth, going back to nineteen fifty now the MV Markala,

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where three officers aboard the merchant vessel in question saw
a shimmering metallic object skimming just above the ocean in
the North Atlantic. They described it as egg shaped. They
said it appeared to be rotating and wobbling. The object,
they say, passed by at low altitude, possibly within one
thousand feet, before speeding off over the water. The clear
sky siding lasted about ninety seconds. All witnesses were interviewed

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by Air Force intelligence. Blue Book actually said this one
was on, but again notably, the description of the object
is at least similar to the famous Tic TAC. We
also have the SS Doctor Angie August twelfth, nineteen fifty four.
This sighting occurred near Uron GiMA in the Pacific, where
a two crewmen aboard the ship watched what they described
as a thin blue line in the sky then transform

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into what appeared to be a one hundred foot disc.
This craft, they say, glided right over their ship. It's
blue ringed, pink edged, luminous halo encircled a dark center.
According to their description, they watched the thing fly over
their ship and then it shot straight upward into the
clouds now at US Air Force intelligence officers interviewed the witnesses.
This one also remained unidentified. It seems kind of hard

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to imagine that a conventional explanation for a blue ringed,
pink edged luminous halo swooping down over your ship, flying
directly overhead, essentially resembling a disk or a saucer with
lights around its perimeter. It seems kind of hard to
rationalize that one as having a conventional explanation. But again,
like so many from this era, we don't have any imagery.

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There's virtually nothing apart from the description provided by those
two men on board the shipp in question. April seventh,
nineteen fifty five, US Navy Task Group forty five point
two or forty sailors reported seeing near Puerto Rico a
large bluish silver circular object reportedly larger than the full
moon in appearance. This object was reportedly seen hovering for

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about ten seconds and then it departed swiftly toward the
southwest and disappeared. With so many witnesses but little data collected,
that case was labeled insufficient data. But again we're told
that forty men saw this object. Now I'll just point
out the sighting occurred near Puerto Rico. They said it
was a large bluish silver circular object that hovered in
the sky. For subscribers to the X podcast, this may

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ring a bell because we just covered recently the famous
Cuban jet incident, and that one is a very strange case.
But again, there are at least some similarities between these
two descriptions. Finally, one more we'll add here. From January
nineteen fifty six, from aboard the Danish ship SS Downfiord,
a second mate observed what first appeared to be a
falling star until it stopped in mid air, hovered, and

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then made a sudden right angle turn before zooming north
and leaving a fiery tail. Now usually beatiers and similar
objects don't stop and hover, although they actually can change direction,
as the account from the ship's log reads. When first sighted,
the object was at a two hundred sixty degree asimuth
at a position angle of sixty degrees and falling, and
was thought to be a falling star. When it reached

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a position angle of twenty degrees, still at an azimuth
of two hundred sixty degrees, the object hovered for one
or two seconds and was seen to be not a
star or meteor, conforming to natural flight. The object then
made an abrupt right angle change of direction to the north,
paralleling the horizon at position angle twenty degrees, and disappeared
about four seconds later at azimuth three hundred and forty
two degrees. Pretty intriguing reports, and indeed we can concede

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that there is quite a large volume of data in
the form of eyewitness reports, essentially stories that do describe
unusual phenomena and phenomena that is sometimes seen entering or
exiting our ocean and much of that historical BATA really
forms the basis of our understanding of USOS, although of
course current data, video data and imagery is still a

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bit lacking. And so where that leads us, of course,
is into the question of, well, then, how do we
obtain better data about said USO phenomena. I mean, we've
got a lot of sensor systems out there. Maybe for
all we know, ERO or other governmental agencies around the
world are collecting that data, but it's anybody's guess when

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we'd be able to see that. We'll have a little
more on the USO enigma for X subscribers for right now.
That concludes things here on the main podcast. As always,
you guys, take care and stay strange out there.