Recovering in Reality TV’s Spotlight with Jackie Goldschneider

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Rid Red. It's Michelle Barone. What's up, Ashley?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
What is going on?

Speaker 1 (00:05):
MV? How's it going? I'm doing good.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
You know.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Today we have someone so special.

Speaker 4 (00:09):
You know, I'm really excited for today's episode, me too.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Like a real housewife of New Jersey is in the building.
And she's beautiful, she's bold, she is amazing and just
proud of her heritage. And I can't wait to bring
her on. And her name is Jackie Goldschneider. If you
don't know where you're missing out, she's my girl. What's
up girl?

Speaker 4 (00:29):
Thank you for having me here?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Of course, you know, Jackie, You're amazing.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
You here amazing.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
No, You've been through so much and I just can't
wait to talk about this entire journey. Hey, guys, before
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Speaker 4 (01:15):
I mean the guests that we've had on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
We've talked about mental health in almost every episode, and
it's a serious topic.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
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Speaker 1 (02:17):
So starting from the show, right, So you first got
your start season nine, right, and what's the journey been like?

Speaker 6 (02:26):
Well, it's not something that I ever thought would be
a part of my life, right when you watch these
shows like me, I would watch in my sweats, eating
jello on my cowls, you know. And I didn't go
after it like certain people did. I mean they called
me one day and my husband said to me, I said,
can I try out for the show? He said, what's

(02:47):
the chances you're going to get it? I said, like
one in a thousand. He said, yeah, then go for it.
I really never thought that I would ever land on
a show like this, but it was great. There were
very very hard episodes for me. There were hard scenes,
but overall I wouldn't have kept coming back if it
wasn't a positive experience. Wow, and your life really does

(03:10):
change overnight?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Really?

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
So before the show, what was it like?

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Wonderful?

Speaker 6 (03:16):
It's still wonderful, but it was a full life, you know,
I had.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
I was a lawyer in New York.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
I was not a lawyer in New Jersey because I
didn't take the New Jersey bar when I was twenty
three years old.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yea, I never thought that I would move to New Jersey.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
So when I got I when I got the call
for the show, I was a journalist and I already
had four kids and a loving husband, a nice home,
So it wasn't like I was searching so much. But
I did want more. Yeah, I wanted to have a
big career and a big life, and I couldn't get

(03:51):
there with like local journalism, right right, So I saw
this as my entryway to a big career because you know,
I mean it does open doors.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Absolutely, it's interesting journalism. You know, we've studied journalism communications,
and that's definitely you know why we're here. But I
do think that it's interesting to go from that to this,
and I do see that as a path frequently, right,
A lot of people do do get more into reality
TV or different things in.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
Journalism, because when you're a journalist, like for me, I
did write. I wrote a lot of editorial but I
also wrote a lot of personal essays for like the
Huffington Post and Scary Mommy and that's cool.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, I was a big writer for these places.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
And I guess when you're sharing your life already personal
essays were about my experience as a mom, you know,
it just naturally progresses to okay, well I share my
life in that forum, why not share my life on TV?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Exactly? So cool? So you said overnight things changed. So
what was the first like, how do you remember it changing?

Speaker 6 (04:53):
I remember, well, the first time you get recognized is
like wild.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
I went only the trailer had aired, the season didn't
even air yet, and I went shopping in the city
and this guy stops and he's like, are you the
new housewife? And I was like I almost melted. I
couldn't believe it.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
I like, I couldn't move for about ten minutes after that.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
What'd you say?

Speaker 4 (05:20):
I was like, I can't believe you know who I am?
I was just in shop.

Speaker 6 (05:25):
And then you know, just you're you know when you're
not on a show like this, right, you like your
following is like you're like, wow, I have seven hundred
followers and that's great, right, And then all of a sudden,
like everything starts to snowball, everything in your life starts
a snowball and you get asked to go on podcasts
and give our interviews, and suddenly one.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Day your pictures in US Weekly and it's like I
remember running to.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
The supermarket to buy US Weekly, and it's like everything
is super super exciting, and somewhere along the line you
do lose that really from personal experience and from what
you see from other like you do make it. It's
like us being in US Weekly. I mean US Weekly
is great, love you US Weekly, but it doesn't like
do it for you anymore. Like there are times people

(06:11):
are like, oh, I saw you in US Weekly, and
I'm like, really cool, right, I don't like a post
it like bi US Weekly, you know, like and I
don't even remember.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Yeah, you know, so.

Speaker 6 (06:20):
Everything becomes a little you keep needing to like feed
the beast, you know, like you need more like excitement
to keep it, like to keep yourself like going.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, so tell me about that,
but yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
Well, you know, it's it's almost like it's not a
great thing because then and also like on the show,
it happens.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
On the show too.

Speaker 6 (06:43):
That's what leads to these like wild fights because things
have to stay you know, people get used to like
the petty drama and then they want more, right, so
that's when things go a little haywire. But just in
for me personally, there was a point where I was like, Okay,
like all of these same things over and over again.
They're great, and I don't take them for granted, but like,

(07:06):
what am I going to do that's going to give
me that excitement feeling back?

Speaker 4 (07:10):
And so writing a book did that for me.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I did cool.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
And but you know, then the book, you know, settled
into the stratosphere and then you're like, what's sex? You know?
And then I had the podcast and I'm still I
still have the podcast, and I love my podcast. It's
on iHeart. And then you get used to the podcast
and then you're like what now? Yeah, you know, so
it just it does snowball.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
That's interesting. So let's talk a little bit. I want
to talk about Real Housewives, but I want to talk
about the Way to Beautiful, your book and your journey.
I know you struggled from several different things and I'd
love for you to share your story.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
Yeah, so I I got very so I was always
like an up and down dieter since high school.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
My doctor put me on a.

Speaker 6 (07:54):
Diet when I was seventeen, before I went away to college.
I was very overweight in high scho goal because I
had a lot of issues.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
In high school.

Speaker 6 (08:04):
I was very, very lonely, I was very left out,
and by the time I was graduating, I was very overweight.
And my doctor told me I would not have fun
in college if I went that overweight, and he sent
me straight from his office to weight watchers.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
And this was nineteen ninety four. It was a different time, right.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
I feel like today I would be like, oh, oh
my god, I would.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Be canceled in.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Yeah. So I went straight from his office to weight watchers.
And that was the last day of my life that
I was ever not on a diet. I remember feeling
like this, like I had in the palm of my
hands the answer to everything I was always looking for
because I always wanted to lose it.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
I just didn't know how, you know. So I was
up and down.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
I lost fifty pounds between April and August, and then
I went to college and I gained thirty that I
come home, lost twenty, gain thirty, lost forty. Like I
would just was all over the place. And when I
was twenty six years old. I decided to stop eating.
And I was so sick for a very very long.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Time, and I was like, oh wait a minute, so
afraid I decided to just stop.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Well, I was always doing the fad diets.

Speaker 6 (09:11):
So I was doing you know, the South Beach diet
or the Ekins diet, and like nothing was really working.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
And then I would create my own diets.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
Right where there was something called I don't know how
old you are, you have a baby, but there was
something called Tasty Delight. I don't know if it's still around,
but it was this really low calorie frozen yogurt that
they had all over the city. And the reason it
was so low calories because they would pump air into it.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Oh my god, my god.

Speaker 6 (09:36):
So whereas like if you took something that was like
thirty calories and ounce and you pump all this air
into it, it's going to be it's going to be
thirty calories for four ounces, right, because that's saying one
ounce turns into four ounces. But you eat it and
you're eating all this air, and so suddenly your stomach's
out to there, right, you got.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
So much gas.

Speaker 6 (09:53):
But I used to eat this stuff for breakfast, lunch,
and dinner, because I thought it was like ten calories
and ounce and I was just sick to my stomach
there nutrients in it, nothing right, and nothing was really
really working for me. And so I started an elimination
diet and I started cutting out foods from my diet, and.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Then I was cutting out so much.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
The first thing I cut out, I think I cut
out dessert, and then I cut out bread, like easy things,
and then it got more detailed, and then I decided
to cut out fat to see if I could go
without fat. And well, what happened was I was studying
the nutrition labels on everything to make sure it didn't
have fat in it, and in doing that, I noticed

(10:40):
that like calories probably mattered more than the fat. So
I started this very mathematical equation of like calorie counting
in my head and that got so out of control,
to the point where I was so obsessed with the
number of calories and something.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
I couldn't eat food without.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
Weighing it, I couldn't eat in restaurants, I couldn't go
anywhere without my calorie encyclopedia, which was nine hundred pages.
I brought on my honeymoon to Italy, a nine hundred
page calorie encyclopedias, and I just had to stop eating
because I didn't I was so scared.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
So anorexia is a mental illness.

Speaker 6 (11:22):
I was so scared of eating something that I didn't
know the calorie value of that I could only eat
certain foods, so going out to restaurants was I couldn't
do it. If I went to a restaurant, I didn't eat,
or eat when I got home, I couldn't.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
I brought my own food everywhere.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
It was debilitating, and I had to track everything. So
I was constantly writing down everything, like half a stick
of gum, you know, like a packet of artificial sweetener.
Every single thing I had to track the calories of.
And it got very obsessive for me.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
And what did your husband think?

Speaker 6 (11:54):
So my husband, I was already about six months into
this when I met him, and that exacerbated it instead
of making it better, because I always thought, like, if
I found someone who really loved me, I wouldn't need
to do this anymore, because that's what I was after, right,
Like I just wanted to look beautiful enough for somebody
to love me, you know, somebody who I'm you are

(12:17):
did you I'm not?

Speaker 4 (12:19):
But thank you you are.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
I I was really insecure, and when I met him,
instead of saying, oh, now I have this guy who
loves me.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
So much, I did the reverse.

Speaker 6 (12:32):
And I was like, oh my god, I have to
get even thinner so that I'm sure he doesn't leave me.
I had this warped idea in my head about weight that,
you know, because my high school experience was so traumatic,
I thought that in order to be loved, you had
to be thin.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I want to go to that teacher.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Yeah, the doctor, you're the doctor.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Would you say, remember would you say the doctor was
the one that kind of change your mindset on it?

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Or do you think it was like I think it
was a feeling during.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
Okay, I think weight Watchers did a number on a
lot of women my age. I think if you were
on weight Watchers in the nineties or the eighties, there's
a very big chance you had a terrible eating disorder.
I think the mindset then was you eat as little
as possible. You make food into a game. You don't
eat for enjoyment, You eat for like you for a

(13:27):
mathematical equation. And I think that because of weight watchers.
I lost all that. I lost the association between food
and hunger and food and pleasure, and.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
I just never got it back. I got so obsessed
with it.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
So it wasn't so much the doctor, because if he
had said to me, Jackie, you'd be happier in college
at a healthier weight, let me help you get there
in a healthy way, that would have been one thing.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
If he sent me home with a food.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
Chart and was like, let's get your physical energy up
a little bit, like maybe join a gym, that would
have been one thing. So I don't mind medical advice,
you know, But sending me to weight watchers at that
vulnerable stage by myself was just.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Not doctors just doing that, like just sending people to
weight watchers like as like the solution.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Well in the nineties, that's what it was that was
going on.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
In the nineties, they had this very there was a
mentality of like Finn is in and you had all
the wafy supermodels. It was like heroin cheek eate loss days,
and weight watchers was a huge, huge industry.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
I think they just went bankrupt.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
But like I remember like hearing of weight watchers like
growing up, but like, oh what I know.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Of other things, yes, but yeah, lots of drugs on
the market.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
No, yeah, and that's another thing that has affected me.
But yeah, So I think weight Watchers had a really
big impact on me. And I think that when I
did decide to go hard on calorie counting, and when
I mean go hard, like I was absolutely obsessed, Like
I kept charts and books and everything, and I had
to weigh myself at the same time every single morning.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
It was like, and nothing got in my way.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
That's actually us in a way. Oh wow, that calculated.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, but I'm also like a little obsessive. But yeah.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
My husband did try to step in at the beginning
of our relationship, and I kind of bit his head
off because for so long I was I hated the
way that I looked, and now I finally looked the
way that I wanted, and I didn't want anybody coming
between that, and I thought everyone.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Was out to like sabotage it.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
So when he said something, I made it very clear
that he is never I mean we weren't even engaged yet,
we were just dating. I made it very clear that
he was this was not his business and he was
not to get involved.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
And so he didn't.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, well, you know what, that's supportive in another way,
and I'm glad you figured out it was a problem.
When did you realize you had an actual problem?

Speaker 4 (16:00):
I realized kind of early on, but I was still young.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
So I had this moment that I talk about in
the book, and I talk about it a lot. But
I was in Mexico on a trip with Evan. This
was a few months after our wedding, and it was
all inclusive and I had never been to an all
inclusive before, and they wouldn't change my meals around, so
I had to eat the food like as is, and

(16:24):
I was terrified. So I packed in my suitcase. We
were going for like four nights. I packed thirty six
cans of tuna fish and I would go to restaurants
and I would order just a salad and I would
let my husband have my like whatever meal was included
in the meal, and then I would excuse myself go
to the bathroom and in my purse I would have
one or two cans of tuna and I would eat

(16:45):
it in the bathroom and then go back to the meal.
And I think one of the nights in the bathroom,
I just I knew that it wasn't okay.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
You know.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
I just had this moment like how much longer am
I going to do this? And like is it going
to be okay? And I came home from that trip
and I got on the scale and the number on
the scale was so jarring that that moment I said
to myself, if I don't stop.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
I'm gonna die.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
And I didn't stop for another like fifteen years after that,
but I was I.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Was so sick, jarring low, jarringly low, very low. And
I knew.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
I mean my body in my book you could see
there's a picture section. My body was just like a
floating head on like a stick. And I was always
freezing cold. And I did start developing a lot of
medical issues, but I was so scared to stop. It's
an addiction. It's an obsession like anything else. And like
I said, it's a mental illness that I was not
getting helped for.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeap, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
I'm sure once that becomes a habit, then you're like
keeping up with it and then it's like never ending up,
Like Okay.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
What am I going to do next?

Speaker 6 (17:50):
And you know that you can do it, and when
you're young, I was only in my I was, you know,
thirty years old when we went on this trip. I
was like, I'm thirty, Like my body can handle this.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
It's fine. I'll stop when I have kids.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
And then it's i'll stop when you know I'm done breastfeeding,
or I'll stop when I'm done having kids.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
I'll stop after my tummy tuck.

Speaker 6 (18:09):
I'll stop after this, you know, and like you just
keep finding reasons to make excuses.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Sorry, So is that like do you think that that
was like a challenge like when having kids, like kind
of going between like calorie counting and also like knowing.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
Like, yeah, I was racing well while I was pregnant,
which is an experience that is hard to explain. It's
like I went to when I found out I was
pregnant wells. First of all, I caused my own infertility
because I stopped menstruating about a year into anorexia and
I never got it back. I still haven't done in
the back. So I haven't had my period in thirty years. Wow,

(18:43):
not thirty, about twenty years. But I I couldn't get
pregnant because I didn't ovulate and my body weight was
so low that like all of my my hormone reproductive
hormones were all off.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Everything was off.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
How many calories were.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
To day very low, Like if I could get it
under a thousand, I would. Plus I was exercising like
an hour and a half a day. It was running
like seven miles a day.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Rich you're working off whatever.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
It was crazy.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
Yeah, most days I would have like twelve hundred, but
I would exercise. I've made sure that my exercise out
did my So I knew my basic metabolic rade and
I knew so that's how many calories of body burns
by doing nothing, and I knew how much I was exercising,
And those two numbers had to be greater. I mean
it had to be, yeah, greater than what I was eating.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Were you starving?

Speaker 6 (19:36):
No, Well, yes, certain days I was starving. But I
developed all these tricks.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
And habits for like getting rid of hunger, you know.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
And I don't I don't like to give out tips,
you know, but like I would have like bags and
bags and bags and bags of lettuce at home, and
like if I was hungry and it wasn't a time
to eat, then I would have that.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, that's got to be like exhausting, like just.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
It was, but I'll tell you the first like ten
years of it, I was okay with it because I
was for the first time in my life I was thin,
and I always wanted to be thin, Like I was
really obese in high school. I had very few friends.
I mean, a boy would never look in my direction.
And I don't know, if you've see my husband, he's
like I've been married to him for twenty years, Like

(20:21):
he's still the hottest guy I've ever seen. I just
never imagined that a guy like that would look at
a girl like me.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
So for me, it was sort of like I was
just like high on.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
Being thin for a good decade and then and then
it started to like get to be a lot, you know.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, it was a lot when I had children.

Speaker 6 (20:45):
Because I didn't know how to feed them because I
didn't I didn't associate hunger and food like the two
things were not.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
I associated eating with like a.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
Schedule and numbers, and so when my kids would cry
that they weren't hungry anymore, if they still had food
to eat, I would make them eat it. And it
was very it was a really hard process. It was
something feeding my children was really psychologically hard for me.

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Speaker 1 (22:43):
Wow, this is so much to take in and talk about.
And I know you've inspired so many women, and I
heard you talk about this on the show and you're
so brave. Thank you so many people.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
Well, the reason I wrote the book is because I
needed this book when I was sick.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
And I remember Porta to ROSSI.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
Wrote a book about her anorexia, and I read it
about four times while I was sick, because it was
searching for.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Answers and I just wanted to know at the end.

Speaker 6 (23:08):
Of it she was okay, or so she says. She's
still very very thin, so I hope she's okay, but
she at the end of it, it was sort of
like magic. She was like, and then I met Ellen
and I came out and now I eat intuitively and
the end. And I was always like, but wait, how
did you get there? You know, because I didn't know

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how to get there? And I so badly wanted to
get rid of all of this, but I didn't know how,
and I didn't want to ask anybody because I was embarrassed.
And you think like you're the only one in the world,
and you don't think anyone else will understand really what.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
You're going through.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
So when I wanted to write the book, I when
I wrote it, I always had in my mind someone
who's struggling, who's reading this right now, what would they
need to know in order to get themselves to the
place where they're like, Okay, I have enough information right
now to start my recovery.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
That's amazing. How long did it take you to recover?

Speaker 6 (24:03):
I'm still in the process. I mean, I'm almost all
the way there. I'm very far along now. But well,
I don't have an ox anymore, for sure, but I
do have some disordered habits still. I don't have an
eating disorder anymore, but I definitely have some disordered eatings.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
That makes sense.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
Yeah. So I started my recovery in August of twenty
twenty one on the show, and that was important to
me as well. And I still speak to my therapist,
the same therapist from the show, YEP once a week,
and I speak to my dietitian we went to every
other week now to give me time to like do

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good work in the middle.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Do you think if you didn't go through the recovery
that you would have died.

Speaker 6 (24:48):
Yes, I don't think I would have died right now,
but I don't think I would have made it to
sixty really, Yeah, I think so because I had heart
issues from it, and I had my body was in
a constant state of hypothermia.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
I was always freezing cold. I was malnourished.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
I had very very thin hair, I had very thin fingernails.
I had I had. I was missing a lot of
my nutrients. My hormones were very imbalanced. I've been on
hormone replacements since I'm thirty.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Wasn't that.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
Yeah, I've been wearing an estrogen patch for a very
long time because I had no estrogen in my body.
I had and you still look so early level osteoporosis
because I had I had, I didn't I didn't ovulate,
and I didn't have my period, you know so.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
But the most dangerous thing I had was bradycardia.

Speaker 6 (25:46):
Which is a condition of your heart where your heart,
you know, you lose so much muscle masks and the
heart is a muscle, you lose mass off your heart.
And so my heart rate was so slow and my
blood pressure was so low because you're body is trying
to keep it alive, so it takes from other processes
to make sure that you can stay alive. So nothing

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is really working at optimal speed, you know so, I
definitely don't think.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
I think I might have even had a.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
Heart attack while I was exercising if I didn't stop,
maybe way before sixty.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Wow, what would you say to a young woman, a
woman of any age struggling right now with inarexia?

Speaker 6 (26:24):
Yeah, anorexia is the most dangerous thing that you can
do to your body.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
Literally, it's it's so dangerous. It just if you're your
body can't function, your organs need food.

Speaker 6 (26:36):
Right. So I'm not saying to to let go of
any dream of being thin. I understand that and I
know that look at the world right now, everyone wants
to be thin, right. There are so many better ways
to get your body physically fit right, not thin. I'm
not an advocate of thin, especially when you're older, if

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you're over I don't think thin looks good, you really don't.
I mean, there's a lot of thin, beautiful women, but
I think it looks much better when you're strong and
have like a little bit of meat on your bones.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Right.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
But I would say that anorexia is so dangerous, and
there are so many ways to get help, which I
didn't know. If you go to the I work closely
with the National Eating Disorder Association. If you go to
their website, there's screening tools, there's resources, there's therapists who
specialize in all this.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
That's the part for me is that I didn't know
there are ways to get help.

Speaker 6 (27:30):
I thought that I just had to exist with this
thing that no one would understand until I find my
own way out of it. And it's very hard to
recover on your own, because, like I said, it's a
mental illness. You need to really aside from the fact
that like you need to learn what foods, you can
learn how to start eating again with a dietician. You
really need a therapist to help you understand the reasons

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why you're doing this to yourself.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
You know, I feel like I'm the opposite, but with food,
Like everything you're saying, no, I'm serious, I think like
you're like, Okay, well, I'm just only going to eat
this much an exercise over it. I feel like I
think that way, but like I'm like, all, I'm just
gonna have one more bite. It's not gonna do anything.
Two more bites gonna.

Speaker 6 (28:11):
And by the way, it doesn't really do anything, because
that's the way I live now.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Like, I just came back from Spain. Right, I spent
a week there.

Speaker 6 (28:18):
I didn't exercise once, which is unbelievable for me. Right,
I went out to every single meal and I ate
a full meal at every single meal.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Which is great for me.

Speaker 6 (28:29):
And I at a lot of meals, I was like,
I need to stop now, and then I was like,
but I kind of still am hungry, and I would
just eat and.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
I came home and everything was the same.

Speaker 6 (28:39):
It really is your body's efficient if you follow your
hunger cues, you know, I mean, listen, if you're eating
dessert every single night, Like, it's probably you probably are
going to gain a little weight and then you could
just by going back to your normal way. It's you know,
it's really not as complicated as.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
That lot of us. Yeah, I totally agree. Yeah, that's
my problem. And I tried.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Because your body is great. You've tried the diet.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
I've tried everything, and I can't do it.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
What was your so you didn't do the die drugs.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
I tried o zepic. I've tried every die.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
And why didn't you stay up with these drugs?

Speaker 6 (29:12):
Flabbergastin by the way, but I'm so curious why you
didn't stay on it.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
I couldn't. I couldn't do it. It made me physically ill,
like really to the point where like I was in
the hospital every every drug. You were in the hospital
for three weeks. Yes, So for the first I've tried,
Vanjara lost ten pounds. I was like, this is great,
I'm finally gonna lose the weight and I've lost fifty
pounds before, right, I fluctuate like you didn't really, Yeah,
I do the same thing. Sometimes I get skinny, sometimes

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I'm not. And I just hate weight because it's so
annoying and I don't have time for it. Like I
feel like the only way for me to lose weight
is if I'm like counting every little thing and then whatever.
So I tried, I tried the drugs. I tried all
of them in the past year. I can't do it.
I get severe pains, it throws my hormones off. Then
like I get the craziest word of symptoms that you
don't even want to know, and every I just can't

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do it. Yeah, and it causes an infection because my
hormones getting in bound.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Wow. You know what the truth about these drugs are that.

Speaker 6 (30:09):
First of all, there's a huge side effect that nobody
talks about, which is the fact that you can't get
off of them. You develop an eating disorder because you
get so dependent on them.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
You're terrified to ever gain weight again.

Speaker 6 (30:19):
And you don't eat, Like yeah, do not eat, right,
but like you haven't the minute you go on these drugs.
Like if you're if you lose any significant amount of weight,
most people are. So I know many people who tried
to go off them. They went off, they gained bagback
and they're like no, no, no, they went right back
on them.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Well, and you're creating it, like especially mentally, like you
get you compare it to like you're taking the shot,
like you're losing all this weight and then you stop,
and then like the way it stops, like that becomes
the same mental.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
Thing, because people get very even when they plateau, people
get very upset. They wanted like to increase their dosage,
you know. But it's I think there's a lot of
dangers that are going to come out.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Listen.

Speaker 6 (30:56):
My father is on it, and he's he's okay with
me speaking. He's also eighty three. He don't give a shit,
and he also has diabetes. So but you know, so
I don't want anything bad to come out about the drugs,
you know, and I have a lot of people I
love who are on them. But the truth is that
a lot of the studies that you see publicly are
published by the drug companies. You know, there's a lot

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of money there, and I think that there are things
that are not talked about.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
I know a lot of people who lost a lot
of hair, I know a lot of modes.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'm telling you, it affected my hormones so bad that
I just I mean, listen, I've only been on like
two weeks with one drug, three weeks with another drug,
and I just say, my doctor's like I've never seen
this before. I've been to three different doctors. Every doctor's
like I can't believe, like this happens to you. It's bullshit.
Then it happens, and they're like, all right, you can't
take it. And then I go to another doctor. And

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now I'm at the point where like I just eat
clean and healthy earth yea, And sometimes I eat what
I need to eat and I'm just doing the best.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Like I also stay off the scale.

Speaker 6 (31:59):
Yeah, don't wait, mycause you can't hate a number that
you don't know.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Yeah, right, and like that's the difference anyway.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Well and even like that, like the what is it
like the chart or whatever for like where people are supposed.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
To me, that's not even real anymore.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Like that's like even so random. I just now I
try to.

Speaker 6 (32:19):
I try to eat cleaner because my diet was just
filled with everything fake. You can imagine morning, noon, and night.
It was like every product was a fiber heavy product,
a fiber one product. Everything was packaged. It had an
ingredient list one hundred miles long, you know.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
So now I.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
Try really to eat like clean. I also don't want
to go Have you heard of orthorexia? No, So orthorexia
is the people who are super healthy obsessed, right, It's
like those people who are like obsessive like paleo that
can't eat anything.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
But like that's also an eating disorder.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
When you can't eat certain foods and everything's restricted, that's
an eating disorder. I mean there's degrees of it, right,
but I don't want to veer into that direction. To
eating healthy eating healthy eating is this when you're hungry,
you decide what you're in the mood for, and you eat,
and you make moderated choices, so like you know that

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you can't eat like, you know, dessert, You can't eat
chocolate for breakfast all the time. You can't have five
cookies every night for dessert, right, but you you can
have that some nights.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
You can have five cookies one night.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
You can have five cookies one night, or you can
have one cookie the other exactly.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
But I think that's where it's like, once you're on
that routine, I feel like then it's.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Like physical exercise I feel like is so great.

Speaker 6 (33:36):
Like in the summers when I walk, I love I
walk so much I put on my headphones and I
just walk.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
I don't even like walking with people. I just walk,
and I feel like so much more like fit.

Speaker 6 (33:48):
And I just got buy my clothes, you know, and
if I feel like my clothes are a little tighter.
You know what actually was great About four months ago,
I cut down on my drinking.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
I cut it. It's like half.

Speaker 6 (33:59):
I was drinking probably about like eight drinks a week
and it went down to about four drinks a week.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
You don't drink no, really, wow.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Problem is food Everything sticks to me too.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
That was great.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, I love food. I gotta just work.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
I love.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
It's okay to love food though I know I'm Italian.
That's what we do right exactly, and you're happy. That's
all the happy. I love cutlets you know some you
know the Sundays, that's just it is killed me. And
you know I do it right during the week. Me
and Gabby, you know, summer we went on a diet.
We're like, we're gonna get really skinny, we're gonna be
see through. That lasted what four days.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
It was kind of a terrible setup.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Like no, we did it for like two months and
we actually lost a lot. But then you eat again
and you gain it.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
It was too restriction.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
But it's like then you go and you great, and
it's not enjoyable.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
You shouldn't be serving yourself to lose weight.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
And then yeah, you don't have to.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
All my friends are on ozempic and they all look good,
and I'm like, why.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Doesn't this work for they all look good? But can
you see inside? I know you don't know what the
drugs are doing. People are different from them.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
I know that that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, they're so new.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
No one knows any of the affecting them right now.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yes, exactly. This is the sign for I know I'm
going to do it the healthy way.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
I feel good.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Do you exercise?

Speaker 4 (35:14):
I do.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
I exercise like five days a week, but for a
half hour and and then I have a trainer, Connor,
who I love and he like works with my schedules.
Sometimes they'll be like, okay, I can do six o'clock
tomorrow morning, and then we end up on a six thirty,
but we always do it hour every day.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
I'll tell you, I think dietitians are that's what I
need so valuable. And there is a difference, just so
you know between the nutritis and dietitian. There are wonderful nutritionists,
but nutritionists can get their degree online in a year.
You know, dietitian is the one who's closer to a doctor.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I need a good one. Can you help me get one?

Speaker 4 (35:46):
I have an eating disorder.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
One you don't want mine, but there are wonderful dietaries
one hundred percent I can help you get.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Ok I needitian. All right, So I want to talk.
So the Way to Beautiful? Where can people find it?

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Oh? Everywhere? Books are is all but Amazon, Barnes and Noble.
The easiest is Amazon.

Speaker 6 (36:02):
And also I recorded my own audiobook, yes, and it's
on Kindle and some paperback hardcover.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
It's everywhere. And so right now I'm writing my second book.
So that's very exciting. But that's not that's a novel.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Okay, cool, So make sure you check it out. I
can't wait to see it and hear it.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Oh my god, I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
When's it coming out?

Speaker 6 (36:19):
No?

Speaker 4 (36:19):
No, no, it's not not until next year.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Okay. Yeah, So let's talk about Real Housewives. Do you
know when it's coming back? What's happening? I need the
real deal here.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
I don't think anyone on the cast knows anything.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
The other day Bravo announced a bunch of new shows,
and I don't believe how New Jersey is on the
slate for twenty five. So I don't if it's coming back,
it's not coming back anytime soon, Okay, And uh, how
do you I'm a little bit with the break.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
I'm okay with the break.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Oh yeah, though, how do you feel about the way
things ended?

Speaker 4 (36:57):
I thought my last season was terrible. It was gross.

Speaker 6 (37:01):
I think everybody was just trying to destroy everyone. And
the problem with New Jersey is we just go too hard.
It's like life destroying stuff. And I wish it wasn't,
because my first few seasons it really wasn't. It was
more petty and silly. Make me and Jenny Aden had
that silly fight about whether serving pizza at a party
is like cheap or not, right, but that's like funny

(37:25):
and like it was the best, you know, but you know,
then it got into like destroying lives and like, and
then I felt like the very last season was so
divided and so mean, and I just by the time
that ended, I was like ready for a break.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
Yeah, but I do love Bravo.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
I didn't necessarily love the last few seasons of the show,
but I love Bravo.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Do you think that there'll be changes in the next season.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Of New Jersey?

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, do you think it?

Speaker 4 (37:56):
I personally think it's going to be a whole new cast.
I do. I don't.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
I know that everybody's saying it's going to be a
mix of old and new. I I think by the
time it comes back, the old is going to be.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
A little outdated. I just do.

Speaker 6 (38:10):
I would love if it was a mix of old
and new and that I was a part of that, But.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
Realistically, by the time it comes back, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
But the truth is that nobody knows what's going to happen.
And I have the people on the show who I
really like, and even if it didn't come back with me,
if they came back, I'd be okay with it, you know,
because there's there's other things that I can do, and like,
you know, I have the benefit of being smart and
having other talents, which not everyone has.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
And and you're super freaking successful and you don't even
need the show, like a lot of the women there
on the show don't need it, but you don't need it,
and you can do so many other things.

Speaker 6 (38:50):
The shame is though that it's fun and yet I
was never like the evil person, you know, so like
it didn't go down because of me, right now it
went to I have strong opinions, and I will give
them here about why it went down or why it
went off their but it definitely I don't think you'd
find anybody who would be like it's.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Because of Jackie, you know. No, So I think it's
a shame, you know.

Speaker 6 (39:15):
And I also loved being like a Jewish presence on
the show because there's not much of that in the bravosphere.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
So and Jersey has a lot of Jewish women.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
Oh yeah, and I love representing that. But you know,
fortunately I was on it for you know, six seasons
over the span of seven years, and people know who
I am, and now I have a platform and I
can use that platform for other things.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Oh absolutely, I love going to you know, seeing you
at events. You light up the carpet. Everybody loves you.
You're just such a presence. And I think again, representing
that Jewish community and sharing the word about, you know,
everything going on in Israel has been such a big
part of your platform.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
So I'm so grateful for this platform. The most important
social causes for me are helping people with eating disorders
and raising awareness about anti Semitism and the hostages, and
to have this platform no matter what happens with the show,
I'm so grateful for the show for everything that it

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has given me.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Because now I have a voice.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, and that voice you know, like you said, it
changed overnight, and I just can't wait to see what
amazing things you do and feed the beast, go after it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
I love excitement, Yeah, and I love a party. But
I also made some.

Speaker 6 (40:32):
Really great friends from and unlikely friends, Like I think
when the show ended, everyone was like, there's no way
Jack Angel resource saying friends and like it's been two
years since we filmed and we still are very good friends.
Like we have a great time together. She's such a
nice person. I never got to know her like that on.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
The show because it really like it's about you know,
fighting and drama and everything.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
So I love you from the Women.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Before the show, I knew Margaret, but nobody else.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Okay, that's interesting, I didn't know that.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
I also think things took a turn when The New
Girls came on.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
How many seasons was that into you being on the show.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
That was my fifth season.

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today on how beautiful you looked and that you were
dewey and glowy, and it's all because of Pixie.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
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beautiful in your own skin.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
My favorite is the Pixie on the glow blow. It
is so much fun. You can just stick it right on,
take it out. It's just one of my favorites. It's
so much fun and it looks so good on.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
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Speaker 1 (43:16):
Well, thank you so much for sharing what has been
your most iconic moment.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Oh, let's see.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
I mean the fight with Teresa on Margaret's couch is
probably the scene that people will say the most. I
mean that you called me a seventeen times and I
screamed I win. That scene, I think is like unbelievable.
We were nominated for an MTV Award. Yeah, I mean,
the Kardashians beat us. But I mean the fact that

(43:46):
I could recover on live television was for me the
most important thing that I've done ever on.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
You would have recovered without live to you know?

Speaker 6 (43:56):
I don't think so, because and I think, of course,
it's entirely possible to over without being on our own show.
I think for me, I was so deeply like sick
that I needed the whole I needed to announce to
the whole world I am sick and I'm going to
get better so that everyone could hold me to it,
because I knew one thing. If I told all these

(44:18):
people that were watching me that I have an eating
disorder and I'm going to go for help, I wasn't
going to let them think that it was something that
was too hard to do, because I wouldn't. I wouldn't
do that to people who were watching me, and there
were I got thousands of messages from people who were
either struggling themselves or their mom or their daughter, or

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please help me, and I knew I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
Do that to them.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
The second I started my recovery on the show, the
second I said it out loud, there was no turning back.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yeah. Well, you know what, it's great. That is great
because it empowered you to change your life for the
better and do and inspire other women. Yeah, I were
helping so many people.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Love you.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
I think it's so much. What's your biggest challenge you've
faced this whole time? You know, did something come out
that you didn't want to come out.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
On the show?

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (45:08):
Yeah, I mean I was always uncomfortable, like in social media,
not always uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
I mean when you would say something.

Speaker 6 (45:15):
Bad and you know you do leave your lives in
the hands of the editors, right, So I never call
the network and complain. I never ever call and complain.
But the truth is, sometimes the edit does not reflect
really you know. What I think was the worst the
season where my father. I don't know if you watched this,

(45:37):
but the season where I spoke to my father about
my eating disorder, and there was a scene where I.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
Was watching my father.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
I brought the kids over to his house and he
put on a video of me when I was younger
and I was really heavy, and he was like, who's
that big girl? And my kids were like, that's mommy.
And I knew that this was going to be like
reality TV gold, that they were going to make my
father into a villain. And then they they cut the

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edit of the words so it looked like he said
that it was worth it, that I almost died to
be thin, and that's not really how he said it,
and he was so upset. What he said was I
think I said something like it was like I went
so far just to be thin, and he was like,

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it was worth it, and I said I almost died,
and he's like, you did. And I think they moved
it around so I was like, I almost died, and
he was like, well it was worth it, and he
was so upset and there was nothing I could do
about it. And when you're like dad, who I love
my dad so much? I mean, like when your dad

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calls you like almost in tears because the whole world thinks.
He said like his daughter should have died to be
thin like that. I was like, I can't do anything
right now. You know, luckily he's in his eighties.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
He forgot about it. Everything's good now.

Speaker 6 (47:01):
Yeah, you know that was that was that was hard,
you know, but I never loved like when social media
would come after you know that that's always.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Hard, yea, even fling your comments.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
And what you know, everyone always talks about the skeletons
and how skeletons come out. What is that like?

Speaker 6 (47:23):
Is it like I didn't have any skeletons, Honest to god,
I said to the only thing that I thought, the
only skeleton that I had that I didn't talk about
was my eating disorder. But I called when my when
I was about to be cast, I had a long
talk with my parents and I said, you guys went
to jail for tax fraud and it's going to be

(47:44):
something that I can't keep secret otherwise it'll be used
against me. So are you okay with me being open
about that? They don't care.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
They didn't care.

Speaker 6 (47:54):
So as long as I had that, there was really
nothing else. Evan and I have a beautiful marriage. My
kids don't really have any secrets. I don't talk to
my sister, and I made that very clear from day one,
and that was really uncomfortable. They wanted me to make
up with my sister first season, and I wanted it
back then.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
I don't want it anymore.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
What happened?

Speaker 6 (48:14):
So I called her on the show, and at the
last second, she decided that they couldn't use her voice anymore.
So it looked like I was making a phantom phone call,
which a lot of people were like, there.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Was no one on the other end of the line,
and I.

Speaker 6 (48:25):
Hate looking like a liar, you know, So I was like, no,
I swear to god, there was some So we did
have this phone call. We made up for about five
minutes before she decided that she hates me again. So
she's just always hated me. I just I don't even
know her. I feel funny even calling her my sister
because I've never known her. You know, when I say

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to people, you're like, well, my best friends, I'm like,
we're like a sister, and me I'm like, actually, you're not.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
You're not like a sister.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Right.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
So there have been things.

Speaker 6 (48:54):
That are uncomfortable, you know, but you also know what
you sign up for, you know.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
And I thought I was a good house life. Yeah,
I thought I was good. And I thought I was different.

Speaker 6 (49:04):
You know, I'm quirky and I'm Jewish, that I was
Jewish in the see of like Christian women, and like
I thought I was unique and different. And you know, listen,
if they do bring got some old I'd love to
come back. But if it's not in the car, it's
it's okay.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
I was on it for a.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Long time, yeap, and you were amazing and you still
are and I can't wait for your new book and
I can't wait to see what else you do. Would
you do another show?

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Yeah, absolutely, if it was the right show.

Speaker 6 (49:31):
I'm at the point where I'm turning forty nine, right,
and like the closer I get to fifty.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
I'm really enjoying peace.

Speaker 6 (49:42):
And I still want a big career, but I think
that my eyes have started to open to be like, Okay,
there's other ways to get there than to be on
a reality show. And since our show has has stopped filming,
there's been a lot of other shows that have gone
down that have goten.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Canceled or like started over vander Pump Rules.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
They were on top of the world and the whole
cast got canceled, you.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Know, So so there are anymore either.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
The old vander Pump Rules cast. No, no wine. But
I mean it does show you every.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
Time that happens, you're like, Okay, life goes on and
like this could happen at any point.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
And the truth is this, Michelle, how long can you
really do it for?

Speaker 6 (50:21):
Like even if I went back another year, like I'm
gonna do it for until I'm sixty five years.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Old, Like, yeah, do you really do this for? It's
not forever, right, So at some point you're gonna have.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
To go yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Right, So if it's now, it's now. But we'll see,
we'll see what happens, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
But I would just smile the show for sure, Awesome,
that's cool. Interested to see what's next time, and hopefully
we can go to some events together. I want to
go out.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
I would love to I love going out, I love
getting dressed up. I love having a good time. So
anytime you're ready to go.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
All right, I'm ready, let's go. I can't wait.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
It'd be good on this show.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I'm ready.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
I'll call you.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
We'll see. That'd be fun. I'd have to move to
Jersey though.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Okay, so moved to Jersey. Jerseys down the block. Are
you in Jersey? No, we're in Poughkeepsie.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
But it's about what an hour. We've been looking at
three different we were looking in New York, looking looking
in Miami, looking in LA and looking in Jersey.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
We should I'm like, I'll watch the Miami House like
we have to film, like we'll come.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
To Jersey Miami. Yes, exactly, that's it. Let's do it, baby.
And one last thing, so your podcast, Yes, so let's
talk about that.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Yes, I love that.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
I do it with Jen Fessler, who was also on
the show with me, and I love her. She's very
close friends and we have a great time. We're on
iHeart it's called Two Jersey Jays, and we talk about
everything related to middle aged women.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
You know, so we're about eight years apart, so we
span the.

Speaker 6 (51:47):
Whole like middle aged women perfect spectrum and there's a
lot to talk about.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Yes, we have a lot of fun with that.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
So make sure you check it out. Where can people
find you online.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
Jackie Jackie Goldschneider on Instagram and all so on Facebook,
Jackie Goldschneider, I really am not on TikTok, but I
do have an account. Someone took the name Jackie Goldschneider.
By the time I went on, I didn't even want
to know what they were posting, so I never even
looked at I want.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
I'm like, someone has Jackie Goldschnyder. I don't even want
to know.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
I didn't even look.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
So if you guys want to look uk, but just
know it's not her.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
And I don't really go on like Twitter or threads,
you know, so mostly Instagram.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
All right, So check her out Jackie Goldschneider on Instagram
and hopefully we see you again on Housewives, New Jersey
Housewives or any other show. Make sure you check out
our podcast or new book and The Way of Beautiful.
We love you, Jackie, love you you. Please make sure
you follow us and subscribe here on YouTube and we

(52:51):
will check you next week.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Bye bye

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Now till it is