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August 19, 2025 34 mins
Michelle Barone and Ashleigh McPherson go deep with The Snake cast members Kathryn, Alyssa Grassie, and Frank Joseph for a behind-the-scenes conversation fans won’t want to miss. 

From intense on-set moments to the unexpected challenges of bringing the story to life, the trio opens up about their characters, their chemistry, and the unforgettable experiences they shared while filming. They also reveal a few surprises, personal inspirations, and what’s next for each of them.

Whether you’re hooked on The Snake or just love hearing real stories from the people behind the camera, this episode delivers laughs, insight, and plenty of heart.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Ari d Read. It's Michelle Barone and I
am here with Ashley McPherson. What's going on?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
What is going on?

Speaker 1 (00:06):
You know I went with white today. I like, you
don't wear white, but I said, let's do something cool.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I like it. Yeah, black and white.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
I mean it looks good with bucks. You know, it's
got like the lemon ice.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Oh yeah, gold.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
So recently we've been talking a lot about like drama
and like snakes, like in friend groups.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Right, Oh, I hate snakes.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
But today we actually have stars of Fox's Snake, Yes.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
The Snake. What's up, guys. So I'm so excited we
not only we have like the stars of the show. Yeah,
I'm so excited to get into everything.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I have many questions for you guys.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yes, hey, guys, before today's episode, I want to talk
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Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yes, so kith Katherine Kevin. So, Catherine's here, Frankie and
Alyssa all joining us today from The Snake and you
can tune in on Fox at eight pm. That's right,
Tuesday nights and the following morning on Hulu. So we're
excited to have you here today and talk all about this.
And I want to start off by give us a little,
you know, background on the Snake and what exactly it is.

(02:38):
I know it's an elimination show, but I want to
hear more about it.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yeahs to goah, go for it, Frankie, hook me up.

Speaker 6 (02:48):
All right.

Speaker 7 (02:48):
So there's fifteen mass to manipulates that get dropped in
the middle of the jungle out of crates who all
are perceived to be charming, charismatic, and persuasive lack of
a better word, yes, based on their fields of their occupations. Okay,
and they all compete to get they like we're the
third person. We all compete together for one hundred thousand

(03:11):
dollars prize and the spin of the show has it.
There's several different facets to it, but they stick us
all in the house. They make us compete, and then
the winner of each challenge weekly becomes the snake.

Speaker 6 (03:24):
Oh and the snake.

Speaker 7 (03:26):
Plays a pivotal role in what we call the saving ceremony,
which is the elimination round for this particular show. The
snake will start the chain and end the chain, so
after the each person picks another person they want to save.
At the end, whoever is in the pit, the snake
chooses who gets bit and will get saved.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Really, now, do you actually get bitten?

Speaker 8 (03:48):
We did get bit by a lot of bugs out there,
but I don't know about snake.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
So bit means you're leaving. You're going home, all right.
So Frankie, I just want to hear from you, and
I know we'll get to the ladies because you I
have a lot of questions to ask you. Do you
trust these women or what you know? Because the women
would be the ones I'd be scared of.

Speaker 7 (04:08):
I come from a makeup background, okay, so I've dealt
with women my whole life.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
So you get the girls. You know the games, you.

Speaker 6 (04:16):
Know, I don't mind playing mother, hen every once in
a while.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
You do what you gotta do, you know. All right,
So this is now the second episode of the air this week,
which was so exciting, and I can't wait to see
the third. I want to ask you, Alyssa in pink,
I love your outfit, your nails. Girl, What has been
your favorite experience so far on the show.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
My favorite experience would just be like meeting all the
cast members, all the production. Just meeting such genuine good souls.
Meeting you guys, he's one opportunity after the next, meeting
Frankie and Catherine. I'm just so grateful for the people
I met from the show.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
That's amazing. You know. I always think like networking is
the best part of everything. Oh yeah, Like, how do
you deal with the snake like this one over here? Catherine?
I mean, I can't believe you guys are sitting together?

Speaker 4 (05:08):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (05:10):
I know? A So, Catherine, I have to know you
like look like a mix of like Martha and like
the sweetest Susie homemaker next door. But I hear you're
like the most venomous of them all.

Speaker 9 (05:24):
Absolutely.

Speaker 8 (05:24):
I mean that's why that strategy worked for me. I
always heard that the best strategy is the one that
works best for you. And I know that coming off initially,
I can look like I'm this sweet, innocent, put together girl,
So I wanted to go in with that mindset and
let people underestimate me so I could be a little
snake in the grass in the background.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I love it, girl. You know when I saw you
in the hallway, but before we got in here, I
was like, oh my god, she's like so cute and
she's perfect. And I never in my life would ever
imagine that you were the snake, like what you were
the big snakes. So, you know, playing the villain role,
how's it been and is it really a game or
you just you know, is it really who you are?

(06:06):
Where you like this? In high school?

Speaker 9 (06:08):
I love being the villain, Honestly.

Speaker 8 (06:10):
I grew up watching a ton of competition shows.

Speaker 9 (06:13):
I root for the villains. I feel like.

Speaker 8 (06:15):
They're they're like lovable, but like you, they recognize their game.
And I wanted to come into this house and play
a game. So for me, it was just the competition.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
It was.

Speaker 8 (06:26):
It was just a game to me, So I don't
care if I had to do whatever I had to
do to try to win.

Speaker 9 (06:32):
I was gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
You sound a lot like you Actually, yeah, I might be. Yeah, Okay,
this might be the one for you. As you know
what we call her the word assassin. You know, she'll
just cut you right up in a text if you'd
give her the piano. Yeah, you know you don't want
to date Ashley shere.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Boyfriend?

Speaker 1 (06:57):
So do you have significant others and have has it changed?
Like it's been hard for you to film without them?
I mean, you're being dropped off in the middle of
an island here. What's that been like? Dating and doing
the show?

Speaker 8 (07:08):
I mean, I have a long term boyfriend that I
live with and we I mean it was the hardest
thing was not just being able to talk to him
or fall asleep with him every night. I missed him
so much, And I didn't tell the cast that I
had a boyfriend, so I like couldn't even vent to
the other cast members about how much I missed him.
But watching it with him now, he is cracking up, like,

(07:30):
I don't remember the things.

Speaker 9 (07:31):
I said or did He's like, why did you say that?
I'm like, I really like, I have no clue.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Does he like villains? Oh?

Speaker 9 (07:37):
He loves he has to he loves the villains.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, you guys went in with the plan. He knew
what he got himself into.

Speaker 9 (07:44):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
What about you dating single?

Speaker 6 (07:47):
That single is a dollar bill?

Speaker 1 (07:49):
All right?

Speaker 6 (07:49):
So are you looking not completely?

Speaker 1 (07:52):
No?

Speaker 9 (07:53):
Nor find him someone?

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Well, I'll help.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I like this is her thing.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, I love I have a zero.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I know she's gonna send you like ten years single.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
I've never had a boyfriend before, never, so let me
know twenty.

Speaker 10 (08:07):
Five you pretty to like yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (08:12):
I feel like a lot of guys are like very
scared to come up to me. They're intimidated. I think
I'm so sweet and like humble.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
So I don't know what. I never had a boyfriend ever.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
No, I have a dog, Prada, and like that was
the hardest part of me being on the show, being
away from her. She's like this big teacup your geekos
everywhere in my purse everywhere, and I just like everyone's like,
you don't miss your mom and dad. I think I do,
but I missed my product.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
You are actually so.

Speaker 10 (08:39):
And it's it's a your she knows.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
You were in Fendi stop it. We were meant to be.
My old dog's name was Gucci and another one Wasana
have all the rest the picture. I love it, and
we got to find you a man and and you
just got to you guys have to give me your preferences.

(09:02):
But just so you know, like I do it a
little different uncle based on behaviors, and I don't do
anything with apps. I go, if two people have a pulse,
that we set them up. Are you guys down for that?

Speaker 2 (09:13):
She's literally not kidding if you are.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
She doesn't want to know what you're looking for in
a person. She just wants to make sure, like okay,
like you have a pulse, and you have a pulse
like you guys areld be perfect?

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Like that's how she is.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, there's a lot of zero zero zero. Yes, I know, right,
it's a lot of fun. No, I didn't though my
sister had a boyfriend for like ten years didn't end. Yeah,
I know.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
It's actually terribly And then who else did we have?

Speaker 1 (09:50):
No? No, no, I hooked up Marcello and the mail
order and it worked out. Yeah, it worked out. She
was from Brazil.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
Don Like, you know, I don't need a lot, but come.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
On, listen, I got you all right, we got a.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
Little more than a pulse.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
I also need like two brains.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Don't worry.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I've hooked Ashley up with everyone that I've met so far.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
To be clear, I didn't fall through.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
All.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
There was her guinea pig.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
And I was not falling for I don't want to
do that.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
I'm telling you might actually like the person. Like the
behavioral algorithm. I mean, it's only got a thousand points
that match. I mean, what's what does that really mean?

Speaker 6 (10:35):
Nothing?

Speaker 9 (10:35):
I was gonna say that, yes, she would be like
a killer.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I was just going to say that it's so funny
lived together. Well, I still have a boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I know that just happened, but so no, but for real,
so the snakes. So I want to know, you know,
can you give us any clue as to what goes on?
I know you're not allowed to.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Roads disgusting challenges? Yes, like nasty, like imagine everyone's biggest
fears and then imagine doing a challenge like based on that.

Speaker 9 (11:08):
Yeah, like times ten.

Speaker 8 (11:11):
It's like Sea Faster meets Big Brother and Survivor like traders.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
And you guys signed up for this willingly.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
We didn't know you just that's even worse.

Speaker 8 (11:24):
The competition, Yeah, and we knew we would be in
a house together, but none of us, like we all
thought there was gonna be more physical like challenges. Like
I told Frankie every day that like I was ready
to do amaze, like in.

Speaker 9 (11:35):
An obstacle course with my sword. That is what I wanted.

Speaker 8 (11:41):
But then we had like you know, we had a
drink meat smoothies.

Speaker 10 (11:44):
And instead my god, disgusting drinks. It was awful.

Speaker 8 (11:50):
Oh my god, stop you say no, but I mean
good luck on surviving week.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Try.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
I mean, like I didn't do the first two challenges
and like I still survived. I was like, I'm not
doing these, but.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Can you tell us what they were?

Speaker 4 (12:01):
No?

Speaker 1 (12:02):
The first two?

Speaker 5 (12:02):
Yeah, the first one was touching a snake and the
second one was like drinking a disgusting drink.

Speaker 10 (12:06):
I go, I forfeit, But like I so was saved.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
Like it didn't really matter about the challenges. I feel
like it was more about like your connections in the house,
one person to save you.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
So are you bessies with everyone?

Speaker 5 (12:18):
I'm bessies with frank Catherine.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Catherine. Is part of your strategy to be friends with
everyone or just outsmart them? No?

Speaker 8 (12:30):
You did, like, because this is such a social game,
you do have to rely on friendships, and you can't
just rely on one person saving you. You want everyone
in the house to think that you are best friends
with everybody, because if not, someone could put a target
on your back and try to determine a way to
put you in the bottom.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
My gosh, that is just so. I don't know if
I could live like that.

Speaker 7 (12:51):
Do you remember what it was like the first day
you walked into a high school cafeteria. Oh yeah, and
you didn't really know anybody, but you knew you had
to vive.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
Picture that plus lack of sleep and like every fear
known to man put together.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Stop.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Who wouldn't want to experience something like that?

Speaker 9 (13:09):
But I do it again?

Speaker 6 (13:10):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Really? Yeah, for sure you would? You guys would? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (13:15):
Would you not?

Speaker 5 (13:16):
I don't know if I knew what I was signing
up or there's no way I would have went on
that plane and did the show. Really, it was so
out of my comfort zone. Like the stuff we did.
I thought it would be like cute, like I don't know,
I don't know what I was thinking.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
The cocker roach one almost took me out.

Speaker 9 (13:29):
Yeah, the cockroach one was pretty bad.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
Yeah, that one almost took me out. But it was
like ten years of therapy condensed into one month.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
One whole month. Yeah, ten weeks, ten weeks a phone,
ten weeks, ten weeks no cell phone.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
How did you not go and singing with all these
challenges you have no connection to the outside.

Speaker 8 (13:50):
We did go and sleep right, spiraling like and like
crying like we are quite literally crazy.

Speaker 10 (13:57):
Yeah, she cried so many times.

Speaker 9 (13:59):
I cried pret I never thought.

Speaker 8 (14:01):
I learned to cry in the shower though, so it
wouldn't be like on camera as much because I didn't
want to look like a cry baby. So I went
every night when we go to bed at per sleep
mess on. That's like when I would like get my
tears out. Oh my god, I'm so sad, bute.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
And a villain.

Speaker 11 (14:22):
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(15:06):
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how do you come out of the house and go
back to normal life after that?

Speaker 10 (16:50):
We're still trying to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, I mean seriously.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
My nightmares, Like after the show ended, we're like insane.
Every night I thought like I was in a challenge
or like life or death, Like if I didn't win,
I was gonna be shot.

Speaker 10 (17:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (17:06):
I think for me, the hardest thing was trusting people
post show. It is it's so weird to say this,
but every time someone comes up and like talks to
me or like, I assume that there's an ulterior motive
or that they're lying to me. Even like my boyfriend
will say something super innocent and sweet and I would
just be like, are you angry like with me, and
he's like what, Like what are you talking about? It's

(17:28):
just it's like ingrained in my brain. So that's been
something I've been working on in therapy.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
So therapy is everyone in therapy.

Speaker 10 (17:35):
After the show. I've never done it before.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Oh my god, it's insane. So rad is a big
performance mental health and mental health America that just kind
of is a big sponsor of ours. And you know
these reality shows they take and twist and prod and
everyone's lives for the entertainment of America. Now that you've
been through this, what do you feel about it reality

(17:59):
and about reality television general. Just being on a show
like this. I know it gives you a platform and
you're able to get out there and be amazing, But
like you said, you do it again? It is it
something that personally affected you to a point where you
were mentally ill?

Speaker 9 (18:11):
Honestly?

Speaker 8 (18:12):
Like for me, I just felt super proud of myself
that I could handle all.

Speaker 9 (18:17):
Of those things.

Speaker 8 (18:18):
I would do all of it again ten times over.
I would do these things every year if I could.
I just for me, it was such a good experience, even.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
With the bad. That's cool.

Speaker 9 (18:27):
I do it again and again.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's a great mindset. Don't have coming out of that.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
But what do you guys like Mike, I went, yeah,
I knew what the challenges were like. If they told me,
I wouldn't have signed up for it. But I'm glad
I did because, like one word, how I wanted to
just describe twenty twenty five was fearless, and like this
show was like based on fear. So I feel like
it was very like good for me, like to get
out of my comfort zone and grow.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
You know what. I love that you did it and
you saw it through because now you can like you know,
this is something that not a lot of people get
to do, right, and it's super cool that you did
it together. And even you guys may be at ADS
and you probably were against each other, it's something you
experienced together and it's it's unique.

Speaker 10 (19:06):
You know, we're all trauma bonded.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah, trauma bond.

Speaker 9 (19:13):
Psychological torture, summer camp, that's what.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
In the jungle yeah, God, I don't know if I
could stay in a jungle. What was it like the
moment you got dropped off? Did you even know you
were going to a jungle?

Speaker 6 (19:24):
No?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
So you were like getting on the plane, like where
did you think? Like they just didn't tell you.

Speaker 8 (19:31):
Well, we knew we would be somewhere, like we need
like the location, like general location.

Speaker 6 (19:36):
But that's all we know, and you.

Speaker 8 (19:40):
Didn't even know like the area really, wow, house, it
was beautiful.

Speaker 9 (19:45):
It was so nice.

Speaker 10 (19:46):
That's nice backyard, nice pool.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
We're on like the Pirana River, so we saw Brazil
on the opposite side. It was really pretty except the showers, cowers.

Speaker 9 (19:58):
The hot water like just would not work.

Speaker 10 (20:01):
Freezing.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Oh so it wasn't even on purpose.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
No, it wasn't on purpose. How many hot showers did
you guys take like that entire time?

Speaker 6 (20:07):
I don't think I don't think I took one.

Speaker 9 (20:09):
I don't think I did either.

Speaker 8 (20:10):
Oh my god, for ten weeks, yeah, shower after Oh
my god.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Oh yeah, you probably enjoyed the little things a little
more even still.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, yeah, if you could take one thing from that
experience that you said, this really changed my life, what
would that be.

Speaker 10 (20:27):
That's a good question.

Speaker 7 (20:28):
Realizing that I was capable of way more than I
gave myself credit. Really yeah, Like if you ask anybody
that knows me before this show and you watch the show,
you'd be like, you're off your bird, this kid enjoy it. Yeah,
And then being in an environment with fiercely competitive both
men and women and everybody in between. It was it

(20:51):
tapped into a part of my mental fortitude that I
didn't know was there, and it was very eye opening
to see, like, oh, crap. You're capable of a little
bit more than you give yourself credit for. So it
was kind of like my whole David and Goliath moment
for myself internally.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Where are you from?

Speaker 6 (21:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:08):
You are Staten Island. I love the accent. Love You're
like perfect. I don't know, I love you. You're so fun.
I just want to hear you talk.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
I'm just staring you.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I do. I'm like, wait, I just want You're mysterious.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Cool.

Speaker 6 (21:23):
So I've been told some of my exes I might
be the snake.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
But that's while you were on the show.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
I mean, if it's so, I have a question, like
back to therapy for a second, Like you guys have
your new therapists, how do you even start telling your
therapists Like I was just sent away for ten weeks
no cold like cold showers, like doing like.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
These terrible missions, Like how do you start that? And
like where do they start with like helping you trying?

Speaker 8 (21:51):
I think, yeah, I think I go to the very
like therapy. I'm like I remember a new thing that happened,
and then I'm like crying with like I think a
lot of it was a guilt for me. When you
go in as a villain and you're doing these things,
you don't realize how close of relationships you're actually gonna
build with them, And separating your game from personal relationships
is really hard. So being like really ugly honest with

(22:12):
a therapist has helped me be even more ugly honest
with myself. So that's the only really thing I could
say about it.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Well, that's a beautiful thing in life, because being ugly
honest with anybody, and you know that a therapist or
anyone with a medical profession behind it that can help
you is important in any situation. Truly, what about you?

Speaker 5 (22:34):
I kind of just like I was on a TV
show called The Snake and then went from there and
just like told her everything and then she kind of
like just gave me steps.

Speaker 10 (22:41):
I was never in therapy, so I didn't really know
how it would work.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
Steps on like how to work on myself and like
how to deal with like judgment from the outside world,
and like how to deal with problems that might arise
in the future. And I'm so grateful, like to go
to therapy like I've never done it before, is like
I should really try it this year, and I'm loving it.
I do it every week on zoom Awesome.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
What is some of the advice from judgment from the
outside world, Like, what is something that they would say
to you? You know, I think a lot of people
deal with this, not only reality starts, social media influencers, celebrities,
so many people just on social media from their local
neighbor deal with things like this. What some of the
remedies are things they safe to.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
Do affirmations every morning, making sure you have a good
inside circle. Don't let anyone in your circle who's not
giving you the support.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
That you need.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
If they're not, then why are they in your circle?
Journaling is very good having it. They said, you can't
control what happens in the outside world, but we can
control every day is your morning routine. So waking up,
doing affirmations, journaling, how you feel it's having like a
it's called like a six step miracle morning routine. Because

(23:47):
my therapist said, like, that's something you can control every
day and regardless of what happens, at least you could
have like a little bit of.

Speaker 10 (23:54):
What's the word structure, structure every morning.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
That's the same thing.

Speaker 8 (24:00):
I really like that just my antidepressants and I'm called
it a day work though.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
You know that. You know that. So if there's something
that was the most iconic moment that's happened on the
show for each of you, can you please tell me
about it, describe it and what you felt during your
most iconic moment. I'm gonna start with you, Frankie. How
you doing?

Speaker 6 (24:25):
How you doing?

Speaker 7 (24:28):
Most iconic moment? I don't think, I don't I get
I'll go you know what I will go with discovering
that I say, cock roach weird you do.

Speaker 10 (24:39):
Evidently my mom sa isn't the same way I told you.

Speaker 6 (24:42):
That was the way you said it.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Everybody cockroach, cockroach, coroach.

Speaker 7 (24:50):
Everybody's like extra because at the challenge, obviously I'm traumatized.

Speaker 6 (24:54):
So I'm like.

Speaker 7 (24:56):
And then I was like, oh my god, I can't
if we just had to be in a coffin with
cockroaches and everybody starts laughing, and I'm like, that's not funny,
Like that's I'm traumatized, Like this is like I'm venting here.
I need like somebody be like, okay, frank it's okay,
you know, like cry here. But no, instead it was,
oh my god, you say it's so funny, cocka roach

(25:18):
right here?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Okay, I'm literally not kidding.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Ready, give me the most New York words, you know,
top five?

Speaker 12 (25:28):
All right?

Speaker 6 (25:29):
What are we talking at? Wiedo words?

Speaker 8 (25:32):
Right?

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Something good?

Speaker 7 (25:35):
I don't know, forget about it? Who doesn't it when
you go over the bridge? Words on the parkway? About it?
And then what walk the dog and drink coffee? You know,
all the thing? What with the rest of them, Mizidel, capacle, Jude,
you know, with all the gravy, gravy.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
What really gravy?

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 6 (25:58):
Are you a sauce girl?

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I'm from That's what we do. What about you? You
got any Italian?

Speaker 2 (26:10):
No, not at all?

Speaker 9 (26:14):
Like white trash as it goes.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
I just live here. That's funny. You know what, when
I look at you, I can't tell what you're thinking
at all. I never met somebody like you.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
It was the depressant.

Speaker 9 (26:39):
I'm like one step away for like lobotomies.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Right, No, but but it's like a uniqueness. But it's
scary as hell too. Oh good.

Speaker 9 (26:48):
I think that's good.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, I think I think so.

Speaker 8 (26:52):
Maybe not everybody, but I'm like, yeah, cool.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Here Alyssa. You know she's she's I could see right
through her. I love it. She's got a good heart,
good soul. She needs a man. We got it all.
And this one over here, Frankie, you know, we just
gotta wait.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
We gotta give back to the iconic moments. I need
to know for you guys.

Speaker 10 (27:16):
I guess mine was.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
We had one challenge that wasn't disgusting, and it was
a dinner party and I go, I'm gonna sit here
because it's the best lighting, the best angles.

Speaker 10 (27:24):
And I ended up winning the dinner party.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Stop.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
The dinner party was like so fun and I had
so much wine. I was just so happy that I won,
and I was a snake.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
I love it.

Speaker 10 (27:33):
It was like so one brand for me, like to
win the dinner.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Party, the one.

Speaker 11 (27:39):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Well, maybe some wonderful gentleman will see the show and
just dm you.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yes not, she'll take it into her own hands.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
I'm sure, So what about you?

Speaker 8 (27:49):
Most iconic moment probably me telling the pastor that God
is watching and praying that he burns.

Speaker 9 (27:58):
Oh my god, yeah I did say that.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Honestly, I've told you you can't see through her.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
I think she might just be scared of you.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Nice to get to know me.

Speaker 8 (28:12):
But in the game I was a little vicious.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, I've never been scared of something smaller than me.
But you know, but you're you're you're cool man, So
all right, let's uh. Iconic moments are always what we
talk about here. And you know, I think when you're
doing something like this, your iconic moment may have been
one singular thing. But who is your most iconic friend
or relationship? Oh, Barbie and Ken, you're just left out.

Speaker 9 (28:39):
Well, I had Jordan's.

Speaker 8 (28:41):
Jordan's Jordan's my my bestie from the show. I talked
to her every single day, so she's definitely going to
be one of my bridesmaids.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
And yeah, are you getting married?

Speaker 9 (28:53):
I am, I'm not engaged yet.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
You will, we know what's happening, Yes we do. Oh,
you have your nails looking good, so but don't don't look.

Speaker 9 (29:01):
Too closely right now?

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Is there anything else about the show that you want
to share with people, your own personal thoughts, anything that
we wouldn't know, a hidden secret, something cool?

Speaker 9 (29:15):
There's so much.

Speaker 8 (29:16):
What would you think is like the funniest or most
appropriate for it? I mean probably how long things take.

Speaker 9 (29:23):
To shoot versus what you see.

Speaker 8 (29:25):
Yeah, I mean you they filmed five hundred hours for
and for a forty five minute long episode.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (29:33):
So when you're seeing stuff and you're like, I don't
understand why they did this strategy, or like there's a
lot that you don't see that's taken out of context
of why we made certain decisions, and those saving ceremonies,
like they may look fifteen minutes on the screen, how
long do those take us to film?

Speaker 9 (29:49):
Four or five hours?

Speaker 7 (29:50):
So far lot, Yeah, you can tell the amount of
swemp that's stripping down.

Speaker 8 (29:53):
You're like, at this point, I don't care if I
go home, Just get me out of these heels. Like you,
you're just you're exhausted.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, so you basically sign your life away for ten weeks. Yes,
and they come day and night.

Speaker 10 (30:05):
Yes, like seven am to like three am, four.

Speaker 8 (30:09):
Five, all night, and then every day you're doing the
same thing. And then you're like out in the blazing
heat doing some challenges or like sending somebody home where
you're strategizing, trying to figure out if your friends are
lying to you. It is a really big emotional stress.

Speaker 12 (30:23):
I can't even imagine that that was like the hardest
part because you'll see in the show, there's actually one
that all of the challenges played on fears, and I
think one of my personal biggest biggest fears was the
Demon music box.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
When they've sat us all in the living room.

Speaker 9 (30:41):
That was awful.

Speaker 7 (30:43):
Like they sat us all in the living room and
you'll see it on the show. Jim brings in a
speaker and they auto tune everybody's voices and they say
what everybody said behind people's pass about each other, and
everybody just gets attacked. And you're sitting there and you're
watching everybody just get their their hearts and egos bruised

(31:07):
and ripped up, and you're like you just want to
hold everybody and be like, Okay, we're in this together.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
It's going to be okay.

Speaker 7 (31:11):
But at the same time, they were the ones that
just held the knife and cut you up and hit
fort Pey. So it's like you're like that I would say.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
What does that feel like?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
It was?

Speaker 4 (31:21):
It was?

Speaker 9 (31:21):
It was honest that was the worst moment.

Speaker 8 (31:23):
You feel, Yes, yes, I mean like right in front
of you and honestly, like I think I was more
surprised because I only had one person say something nice
about me when that box came out and it was Jordan.
So I was surprised that even Frankie and Alyssa and
we've talked about it like since then, and so I
understand now, but like then, I did not understand like
why they would say stuff about me.

Speaker 9 (31:43):
Like I did not.

Speaker 8 (31:44):
So I was really shocked because I didn't think that
people that many people wanted to be gone so madly.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
And maybe they saw through you.

Speaker 9 (31:54):
Maybe the lines start catching up.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Eventually, you know, eventually, that's right.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Any web we weave, is there any downtime like where
you guys like maybe aren't filming that you guys are
just like actually bonding and getting along or like the
entire twenty four hours every single day was filmed, so
there was nothing like there's.

Speaker 9 (32:10):
Something on camera.

Speaker 10 (32:11):
Yeah, like we try to lay down and like sleep.

Speaker 8 (32:14):
But we do bond in like other ways, like we
have amazing moments together.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (32:19):
I mean there's like one day we were sitting there
chugging water and we had tortillas and we were slapping
each other in the face like seeing you would spit
out the water and laugh Like why did.

Speaker 9 (32:28):
We do that?

Speaker 8 (32:29):
I don't know, or like I'm twenty seven years old,
I should not be acting like that, but it was
so much fun.

Speaker 9 (32:33):
And we had no phones, like.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
You're resorting back to like life before phones yeaheah.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
We would hang by the pool a lot. Yeah, let's
not talk strategy, let's just hang out.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (32:43):
We do our makeup and hair together and like help
each other pick out outfits.

Speaker 9 (32:47):
Like that's like the fun.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeay, you guys explain it like that kind of sounds
like Love Island.

Speaker 9 (32:51):
Yeah, gets into the challenge.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
It's like it's completely not yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, and did like how many other people were in.

Speaker 10 (33:00):
Seventeen total?

Speaker 6 (33:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Wow, that's amazing, unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Well, a lot of people to feel like that are
coming at you too.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh my god, I would die.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
I would die.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah you can.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Maybe we'll see.

Speaker 9 (33:12):
I think you should do it.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, I'm sorry, guys, Snake guys like email me.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Us okay, perfect all the time.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Well listen, you guys have been a pleasure. Where can
people find each of you online?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (33:26):
So my Instagram and TikTok is Catherine k E t
h R y y N.

Speaker 7 (33:33):
Yeah that's it and I'm pretty easy. It's the Frank Joseph.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Oh, Frank juice up a GROSSI all right, awesome, so
make sure you check them out. Thank you so much
for being here, and please follow, like, comment, share, and uh,
you know, I can't wait to see the way this ends.
I know we're getting to the near end of the
season here and UH can't wait to see who really

(33:59):
is this. You can follow us at Michelle Broon online.
Thank you so much for joining. Ash McPherson. Where can
they follow you?

Speaker 2 (34:05):
You guys can find me at Ashvic Fhierson two HS
on All Socials.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Tune into The Snake at nine pm, eight pm Central
on Fox, and you can find them the next day
on Hulu. All right, make sure you like, follow, share,
See you soon, Bye bye,
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