Ep. 3328: Thursday starring Michael Patrick Shiels

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Live across the Great Lake State. You're connected to Michigan's
most engaging and influential radio and television program, Michigan's Big
Show starring Michael Patrick Shields, presented by Blue Cross, Blue
Shield Michigan and Blue Care Network.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm producer and creative director Tony Cuthberts.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Now in the shadow of the Capitol Domain Lancing. He's
heard from the beaches of Lake Michigan, to the halls
of power and behind closed doors. Here's Michigan's Michael Patrick Shields.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Time to make the domus.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
I think it's time, you know, a little less talk,
a lot more action.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
Good to talk to you, Michael.

Speaker 6 (00:43):
Good morning, Michael, Good morning Michigan.

Speaker 7 (00:45):
There are no two words in the English language more
harmful than good job.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
Michael Patrick Shields is on the air.

Speaker 8 (00:56):
Good Morning World. Intriguing starts to this Thursday Morning. It's
Michael Patrick Shields radio stations across the State of Michigan,
worldwide and amibig show dot Com from the end of
the road at the top of the world with the
tale well calculated to keep you in suspense. One bite,

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everyone knows the rules. Another one As we begin and
get your Thursday morning Turkey on the road, there is
news all eleven people who were stabbed at the Walmart
and Traverse City in late July are now out of
the Monthson Medical Center. Nine have been released, two others
have been transferred to other hospitals, and the months and

(01:40):
Medical Center officials say they're incredibly proud of the extraordinary
work demonstrated by their team, and they extend their deepest
gratitude to the bystanders who stepped in to care for
the injured and helped to stop the suspect, and that
Saturday stabbing at the Walmart Traverse City politics is our

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family business. Today we will speak with Michigan's House Speaker
Matt Hall, who says the democratically controlled state Senate has
to start again with their budget proposal. He's from Richland,
obviously in a Republican. He says that the federal cuts
from the recently past One Big Beautiful Bill Act mean
the Senate budget isn't serviceable any longer, and the Republican

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led House also has not put forth their own proposal
on general government funding, and we're less than two months
away from a possible state government shut down October first
if nothing is done because that's when the fiscal year starts.
Not the sexiest or most interesting of topics, but one
that will affect you and your schools and services, etc.

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So we'll talk to the Speaker of the House a
little bit later too, And in a related story, Dave
Dulio will join us from Oakland University. He's a distinguished
in the political science department. It's a record lack of
action in the legislature, and of course the open state
Senate seat that's been sitting there since the beginning of
the year because the governor won't call a special election.

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These are the things Dave Dulio will talk to us
about from his perspective, why Michigan's full time legislature well
isn't acting at all, not even part time, not even
at all. Congressman Jack Bergman from Northern Michigan, he's upset
about the wildfire smoke in Canada that's polluting our summer vacations,

(03:36):
and he'll tell us all about that. He is a
former commercial airline pilot and a general as well. Allie
Anderson the CEO of Craft Company they make the Coppercraft whiskey,
and from West Michigan. She's going to talk with us
about the awards that Michigan has receiving for our spirits,

(03:56):
not Scotland, Michigan. Kurt Warner, Tony the quarterback, the guy
who played no, No, I'm sorry, I tried this is
a licensed clinical social worker and a therapist. False idols.
How diversion is destroying democracy? What does that mean? We

(04:20):
will find out why we idolize politicians and turn them
into celebrities when they might not be the best people
to lead us. Is my suspicion on that one. Thomas Graffor,
senior Wealth advisor at Great Lakes Wealth, will be here
and Ted Nugent. Ted Nugent is a difficult interview man
because he's there to turn it on and we'll let

(04:42):
him do it. The rock and roll legend is an
avid outdoorsman and quite critical of Michigan's environmental leaders, and
we will find out why. Stay tuned. More of that
is coming this morning. As I just mentioned, the Lions
are headed to Atlanta for a pregame I don't know, contest,

(05:03):
I guess you could call it with the Falcons and
Hendon Hooker will start for the Lions, and they're trying
to bounce back from their loss to the Chargers. Although
these wins and losses don't really matter. What does matter
if you're in Kalamazoo County where we're heard on WKZO
or the mosquitoes. They have been confirmed to be carrying
the West Nile virus. Kalamazoo County Health and Community Service

(05:28):
Department says their Environmental Health division found the virus when
they were doing some routine surveillance testing. Did you know
somebody does that? Yeah, somebody does that. Jamestown Canyon virus
was detected last month in the testing of Kalamazoo County mosquitoes.
West Nile also confirmed in Kent County mosquitoes this year

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where we're heard on WTKG and Grand Rapids. And it
was so cool yesterday to speak to Rex Course and
the owner of Corson's Tree Farms in Sydney Township. They
will supply the White House Christmas tree and they've been
trying since two thousand and nine, competing for the honor

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and they are the grand champion at the National Christmas
Tree Association contest and so they're the first from Michigan
to be chosen since nineteen eighty four. And his parents
founded the farm. Wayne and Vicki Corson and he will
pass it down to his son who just graduated college. Jack.
That's a high bar to follow now in the family business.

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In the Cuthbert household, the family business is WWE correct.

Speaker 9 (06:36):
Yes, a little bit too much sometimes, nps. It consumes
a lot of our time.

Speaker 8 (06:41):
Disney that consumes some of your dollars. To Disney and
WWE are tag teaming for ESPN's new streaming service and
the big events like WrestleMania and SummerSlam will be on
the Disney Channel.

Speaker 9 (06:56):
I guess or no, it's a new app that you
got to buy thirty dollars a month.

Speaker 8 (07:02):
Well, you already know about this, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (07:04):
It's it broke yet. It broke late yesterday and apparently
it's a brand new app that ESPN's rolling out this year.
So if you want to watch wwee they call them pls.
It used to be pay per views where you would
drop like fifty dollars a piece. Now they're just included
on the service. So it's gonna be thirty dollars a
month right now. They're all on Peacock. So I guess
we end one and start up another.

Speaker 8 (07:25):
One point six billion dollar deal. It is. I guess
at thirty dollars a month. It would add up, and
they will simulcast some of the events on linear TV channels.
I don't know what that even means anymore. Big, big, big,
big deal. Now this follows the deal for Netflix for
Monday Night Raw. Wow, there's gold in them are hills.

(07:48):
It's Michael Patrick Shield. So you have to have an
app to watch WWE specifically then.

Speaker 9 (07:53):
Right, that's what it looks like unless you have some
souped up cable package. It looks like it might be
included on that. But if you're not on one of
those services, you've got to get this new service at
ESPN is rolling out at a high price.

Speaker 8 (08:07):
Is that like some of these vertical movies I appear
in where you have to subscribe to the channel in
order to see the soap operas?

Speaker 9 (08:14):
Probably? Yeah, yeah, just like any other streaming app. I
mean there's so every company has one now, and this
is different. There's ESPN has an app right now called
ESPN Plus where you can watch some let's just say
lesser college events. That's not this one. This is something
brand new on top of that one. So there's apps everywhere.

Speaker 8 (08:33):
This program is free on radio stations across the state
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(08:54):
if you like. It's Michael Patrick Shields and it's Thursday.

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Speaker 8 (11:00):
When Dan South, I'm going to have my sale.

Speaker 13 (11:02):
Homeland Security Secretary Christy Nome is the latest target on
South Park. The satirical cartoon has been taking aim at
the Trump administration in its new season that debuted last month.
Episode one brought in the largest share for South Park
in twenty five years and received more social media posts
than any other in the show's history. Episode two aired

(11:23):
Wednesday and featured a cartoon Christy Nome leading ice raids
and shooting puppies in the street, including Crypto from the
Superman movie. It also featured mar A Lago as Fantasy Island,
with President Trump as mister O'Rourke and JD. Vance as
his tiny assistant. Lady Gaga's involvement in Wednesday. Season two

(11:44):
is extending beyond acting. According to Billboard, Gaga is expected
to release a new song for the series next month,
titled dead Dance, the singers get to share more details.
Back in May, Gaga and Netflix confirmed that she'll appear
in season two of Wednesday, playing the role of a
teacher named Rosalind Rotwood. The first episode of Wednesday season
two arrived yesterday. A second batch of episodes arriving on

(12:06):
September three, will include Gaga's appearance on the show. And
Kelly Clarkson is postponing the rest of her studio session
concerts in Las Vegas this month because of an illness
her ex husband is suffering from. Clarkson took to Instagram
Wednesday to say she was postponing the show so she
could support her children, saying their father has been ill.

Speaker 11 (12:25):
This past year. That's entertainment. I'm checklin, Carl.

Speaker 14 (12:34):
What can you what I want to say to this?

Speaker 15 (12:45):
Just past night.

Speaker 8 (12:47):
I tried to keep in.

Speaker 15 (12:49):
Life when she's killing in about She's bore me that.

Speaker 8 (13:06):
I want to let what you make forbodest loque?

Speaker 16 (13:24):
Is it not too late?

Speaker 17 (13:26):
Or can we get in everything that you want?

Speaker 8 (13:36):
Kind of a nice little groove this morning in the summertime.
Here it's Michael Patrick Shields with you. Blue Cross has
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Speaker 7 (13:56):
James over, you see that.

Speaker 8 (14:03):
We love radio and Garrison Keeler is certainly a part
of radio history in the United States. We never let
the birthday of a beautiful person pass without taking note,
and at eighty three today is his birthday. He's the
creator of the Minnesota public radio show A Prairie Home Companion,
and he hosted that thing from nineteen seventy four to
twenty sixteen, did it on the road to on the stage,

(14:27):
and even a movie about the famed radio show. Here's
Garrison Keeler talking radio.

Speaker 7 (14:33):
National public radio is one of the last and public
radio in general is one of the last outposts of
the original dream of the people who invented broadcasting. You

(14:54):
go back and look in your history books back back
in the early nineteen twenty and the and the and
the and the people who established the first radio stations,
whether they were at universities, operating short wave stations, ham radio,
whatever they had, they had enormous ideals about this medium.

(15:17):
This medium was going to create world understanding. This was
going to eliminate ignorance and poverty. This was going to
eliminate war. This this, this was. This was not invented
to sell soap. It was not invented as an entertainment medium.
It was pure idealism that motivated the early, the early

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proponents of of broadcasting. They started to sell soap pretty
pretty quickly after they started, but it began with it
with a great burst of idealism. And public radio is
still true to that, to that early vision, that early

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vision of.

Speaker 17 (16:04):
Radio.

Speaker 8 (16:07):
Thank you Garrison Keeler for the history and the syrupy way,
dramatic way it was dealt out with creativity to save
the world. Charlie's The Run is fifty today. Happy birthday
to her, one of the world's highest paid actresses, who
won the Oscar for the Monster in which she looked

(16:30):
like a monster was Big Surprise, Atomic Blonde and others
just go on and on. The Legend of bagger Vance
was a golf movie, not as entertaining as Happy Gilmore
or the Happy Gilmore sequel. Speaking of that, Tony Kuppert, yesterday,
I took my mother, Gladys Shields to see the taping
of the Price is Right all Right and We had

(16:53):
a good time and it was fun and all that,
and they put her right in the front row, so
that was pretty cool. And that announcer fella who tells
people to come on down talk to her and in
front of the crowd in the middle of one of
the segments and teased her and that kind of thing.
But what struck me when Drew Carey came down and
he stood right there and in the breaks he talks
to the audience too, is sometimes he takes questions, but

(17:16):
he didn't take questions. He was kind of chatty because
they've just started the new season. So this episode will
air on October fourteenth, I think, which was taped on
August sixth, But I wanted to ask him if they
considered putting him in in the Happy Gilmore sequel.

Speaker 9 (17:32):
Oh, in place of Bob Barker.

Speaker 8 (17:34):
Yeah, because he's the heir to Bob Barker. So was
there some way in the midst of all those cameos
that Drew Carey could make it into the Happy I
don't think he's known for golf at all, though, but
Bob Barker was kind of known for golf because he
had that putting game and everything. But Drew Carrey has
the putting game too, and anyway, I didn't get a

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chance to ask him. But and no, your favorite game
was not played. They did play pink Plinko though. Oh oh,
that's just as good. Oh and you want to know
something behind the scenes that probably never would have happened
in the past, but happened here when we are in
the vetting process and you're there for five hours to
tape the one hour show because they interview everybody in

(18:17):
the one hundred and seventy person audience, and then they
picked the people to come on down based on who
they think will be entertaining contestants. And there was a woman.
As soon as I got there, I said, they're going
to pick her. I just know it because I've been
to the program many times now, and they picked her.
Of course, I told her, they're going to pick you.
And I wore my orange blazer, so people said, you're

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going to get picked for that orange outfit because orange
is kind of the set color there. But anyway, they
did pick this young woman big Diamond wedding ring went
on down Blonde and she got to contestants Row and
in the very first contestants Row game, she won. She
goes running up to the stage, she's standing with you

(19:00):
carry and you know, he does a little quick, little hello,
and what do you do? And when he asked her
what she did, she spewed out a bunch of gobbledegook
about her blog or her oh geez something. It was
something about living well for less money, blah blah blah.
I don't know if it was a blog or what
it was. Of course, that brings the taping to a halt,

(19:24):
a screeching halt, like all right, wait a minute, you
gotta do it over, because you can't go running on
there promoting yourself or whatever your product is in a
commercial like that.

Speaker 9 (19:35):
Selling soap, as Garrison Keeler said.

Speaker 8 (19:37):
Yeah, she spewed it out like a robot, like, you know,
it's something about living well for less money or whatever whatever.
So they had to start the taping over. She had
to run up on the stage and pretend to be
excited again. So these kind of things, it's what happens now.
Everybody's their own brand and they're looking to promote it.
And you'll have to watch the show to see.

Speaker 18 (19:59):
How the Department of Health and Human Services is canceling
nearly two dozen vaccine development projects targeting viruses like COVID
nineteen and the flu Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Junior says
those vaccines are mRNA based vaccines. They were credited with
helping to sload the COVID nineteen pandemic, but Kennedy has

(20:21):
long been a critic of mRNA vaccine technology, and a
new Chinese study links poor sleep to more than one
hundred and seventy diseases, including diabetes, dementia, Parkinson's disease, also
acute kidney failure, hypertension, cirrhosis, even Gangreen researchers say they

(20:41):
analyze the medical data of more than eighty eight thousand
adults in the UK Biobank. The studies co authors say
the good news is that modifying behavior and getting good
sleep can improve health and longevity. Health Update. I'm Sarah
le Kessler.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Michigan's Big Show starring Michael Patrick Shields.

Speaker 8 (21:04):
Why would you say, Jays Bolger West, Michigan is such
a desirable place to live and work.

Speaker 19 (21:09):
I think it's because the opportunities that are created by
the private investments, those families that are dedicated to growing
their business and the first key to good philanthropy is
rich of Auslance said, is so successful business. You can't
do philanthropy without a successful business.

Speaker 8 (21:25):
Oh, I won't make you watch the show. I'll tell
you what happens to the woman who wasn't good enough
for her to get on the show. At getting contestants
row again on the stage, she had to try to
promote her own little deal, bringing the taping to a
stopping yesterday A price is Right. She lost her game,
but then somehow managed to win in the Big Wheel

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and get into the showcase showdown, which she ended up
winning because the contestant next to her overbid and by
the way her bid, the winning woman, the blonde I
talked about, was way way under the actual price, like
by more than ten thousand dollars, but the other person
overbid by a little bit, so she ended up winning

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a trip to Tokyo and I forget two other places.
But the one thing you learn on that show, and
the one thing they do teach us on the prices right,
is when you're trying to figure out the price of
the items, the trips are way more expensive than you
might think. So Tokyo, Hilton Head and Yellowstone or whatever
could be like thirty five thousand dollars to take trips

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like that, and you know yourself, because you're traveling, you're
taking summer vacations right now. Things cost money. If you're
going to Detroit, Claudemullinari has a hotel for you. Visit
Detroit dot com. Here's what he suggests.

Speaker 20 (22:44):
Well, that's another fantastic hotel. Bedrock has done an amazing
job of rehabilitating the Book Tower and the restaurants in
there lay Supreme in the Japanese Steakhouse.

Speaker 21 (22:54):
There's so many awesome places.

Speaker 20 (22:57):
To eat and hang out, and the views from that
and the hotel itself is really strong. We've been getting
incredible reviews positively from our partners and our shows and
conventions that have been coming there, and sports teams are
starting to stay there again. You're talking about another differentiator,
very positive that shows how Detroit is coming back and

(23:17):
being a super destination.

Speaker 8 (23:20):
The hotel he's talking about is called the Roost. And
don't forget Mission Point Resort on Mackinaw Island is waiting
for you too. You don't have to fly there, but
if you want to fly somewhere, Capitol Region International Airport
is an affordable and convenient way to travel. According to
Nicole Nowell Williams, the CEO, they have all kinds of
offers for you at fly Lansing dot com. You're Buckle

(23:43):
the Board, jet Copter MPs. It's Michael Patrick Shields.

Speaker 22 (24:02):
NBC News Radio. I'm Mark Mayfield. President Trump's sweeping tariff
slate went into effect just after midnight Eastern time. Import
taxes will reach levels not seen in the country in
almost one hundred years, with over sixty countries and the
European Union facing rates of fifteen percent or more. A
wide variety of products will be hit, ranging from appliances

(24:22):
to cars, food, and furniture. In a post on truth
Social just after things went into effect, Trump said that
billions of dollars are now flowing into the US. President
Trump says Apple is going to invest six hundred billion
dollars in the US. Trump was joined by Apple CEO
Tim Cook at the White House on Wednesday for the announcement,
where he added the investment will happen over the next
four years.

Speaker 23 (24:43):
That's one hundred billion dollars more than they were originally
going to invest.

Speaker 22 (24:49):
Part of the investment includes new facilities in Texas, Arizona, Utah,
and New York. President Trump says a suspect who allegedly
shot five soldiers at Fort Stewart and Georgia Wednesday is
a horrible per Speaking from the White House on Wednesday,
Trump added that the entire nation is praying for the
victims and their families. The President said the suspect, Sergeant
Cornelius Radford, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of

(25:10):
the law. All the soldiers who were shot are expected
to recover, and Radford has been arrested. Jack Osborne, the
son of Ozzy Osbourne, is breaking a silence on the
death of his father. Brian schuk has More, the.

Speaker 24 (25:21):
Late Black Sabbath singer, died on July twenty second due
to a heart attack, and Jack shared a tribute to
Ozzy on social media in the wake of his death.
When writing about his father, Jack said, I got fourteen thousand,
five hundred one days with that man, and I know
that is such a blessing and added that the rocker
lived his life fully. I'm Brian Shook.

Speaker 22 (25:43):
And United Airlines is resuming flights are for resolving a
tech issue that led to a ground stop for all
of its flights headed to Chicago in several other major hubs.
On Wednesday evening, the airline confirmed a system ra or
caused an outage. You're listening to the latest from NBC
News Radio. WhatsApp says it has deleted six point eight
million accounts linked to scammers so far this year. The
messaging app, owned by Meta said many of the accounts

(26:05):
were used by organized crime groups out of Southeast Asia
that used forced labor in running the scams. The app
has also put out new anti scam measures in place
to try and alert users to fraudulent activity. President Trump
says Apple is going to invest six hundred billion dollars
in the US. Trump was joined by Apple CEO Tim
Cook at the White House on Wednesday for the announcement,
where he added the investment will happen over the next

(26:26):
four years.

Speaker 23 (26:27):
That's one hundred billion dollars more than they were originally
going to invest.

Speaker 22 (26:32):
Part of the investment includes new facilities in Texas, Arizona, Utah,
and New York and Roku is launching a new and
free streaming service, Howdy costs just three bucks a month
that includes almost ten thousand hours of content. The library
content includes shows and movies from studios like Warner Brothers, Discovery,
and Lionsgate. So far, it's only available on Roku devices.
Both the company plans to make it available elsewhere soon.

(26:55):
Tech Report. I'm Mark Mayfield.

Speaker 12 (27:12):
God is great, there's good.

Speaker 8 (27:17):
And people are crazed. Maybe you'd have to be crazy
to run for office these days, or maybe you genuinely
want to help, or maybe you just like the celebrity
element to all of it. I don't know. It's Michael
Patrick Shields. I know one thing. If you're going to
run for office, you better be able to ask people
for money. And it's not the money, it's the amount.

(27:40):
As JP McCarthy used to say, we have a full
time legislature in Michigan, or do we. It's Michael Patrick
Shields with you, full time radio talk show host speaking
now to a full time professor, Dave Julio, who's the
director of Civic Engagement at Oakland University in Rochester, Michigan
and the distinct mush professor there in the political science department.

(28:02):
Welcome to the program sir.

Speaker 6 (28:05):
Good morning, Michael Patrick. Thanks for having me back.

Speaker 8 (28:08):
Why did you choose to be a professor of politics?

Speaker 6 (28:14):
Well, that's a great question. Like you and many others
out there, I'm a political junkie and like the idea
of studying and asking questions that could be answered through research.

Speaker 8 (28:33):
That sounds all very scientific. You didn't say anything about
being on national talk shows, or speaking in sound bites
or around all the fun stuff that we see, right Well,
you know.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
Your your point about running for office.

Speaker 25 (28:47):
I think.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
It's not a new concept, right that.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
Boy, we're.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
We're questioning sometimes the sanity of people who want to
go through this gauntlet. And on the one hand, I'm
delighted that we have so many people who are willing
to put their personal lives on hold and in many
cases put their families through the ringer as they campaign.

(29:18):
But at the same time, you know, that element of
our politics today drives away people who would probably be
really good public servants. They don't want to go through that.
And I think that in a lot of cases we're not.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Getting the.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
Full slate. Maybe you're the full set of options that
we might if our politics was a little different.

Speaker 8 (29:48):
Do you think that some people are scared away from
serving their country in a political fashion because of the negativity,
and that, especially at the higher levels, they can expect
people to come out of the woodwork if they raise
their hands and try to run for office without question.

Speaker 6 (30:04):
I think that that's that's the ringer that I mentioned, right,
I mean, it's it's and look, everybody's got things in
their past that they're probably not proud of. But you know,
as soon as you throw your hat in the ring,
it's it's all the opposition researchers who are starting to
dig into your past and and and find the the

(30:27):
smallest little nugget that they can take advantage of right
for their side. And I think that that you know,
people just don't want to a lot of a lot
of potential candidates just don't want to bother with that,
don't want to deal with that. And then there, you know,
you mentioned money earlier. A lot of potential candidates we

(30:47):
know through research that they don't want to have to
ask people for money all the time, and and that
pressure just keeps growing and growing and growing as campaigns
get more expensive.

Speaker 8 (30:59):
It's a kind of a broad question, but why do
you think people want to be elected to office in
the first place?

Speaker 25 (31:08):
You know, I think.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
I think people who run really do want to try
to help their communities. I think they have a desire
to see their friends and neighbors and to help their
friends and neighbors, see their communities advance and and try
to make a difference.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
Right, I mean I think that, and.

Speaker 26 (31:31):
That's cliche, but I think it's true.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
Right, And now there are some I think that, and
we've seen this in recent years. Right, we won't name
any names. But ego is also a factor. I don't
think we can say that it's not. I mean, you
almost have to be an egomaniac to try to run

(31:54):
for to want to run for some of the highest
offices that we.

Speaker 8 (31:58):
Have the ultimate reason for all of this, the legislature,
the Congress, the governor for instance, and the mayor even
for that matter. It's really just all about how we
spend our tax dollars. That's the purpose of it all.
It's like a giant condo board, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (32:18):
Well, I think you know, government exists for a number
of reasons, and and you know I will not take
the bait and go down the professorial route and go
back to the philosophers on the early philosophers on why
we need government and what it's for. But but I
think that's a very That's a very good way of

(32:42):
thinking about it, right. I mean, government exists to do
a number of things, and nearly all of them take money,
and and and we need revenue for that. And it's it's,
at the end of the day, a question about how
we spend as a as a as a state, as
a locality, a municipality, and even as a nation, how

(33:05):
we spend what might not seem like it, but are
limited resources.

Speaker 8 (33:11):
Do you get the feeling that people are trying to
rig the system too much right now? And it might
be with money, or it might be with getting immigrants
to come into the country, or it might be who
gets to vote, who needs an id, et cetera. A
redistrict thing is another big one this week, where you know,

(33:32):
like we try to make a district so that it
favors a Democrat or a Republican. Is there too much
rigging with the system?

Speaker 20 (33:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (33:40):
I'm going to resist the use of the word rigging
because I think stuff like that gets thrown around a
lot these days.

Speaker 8 (33:47):
And influencing the outcome.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
Yeah, you know, I think it's it's number one. This
is not new, but people have been trying to get
a political advantage for you know since the beginning, you know,
I mean, we talk about jerrymandering and what it might

(34:10):
do the outcome of the twenty twenty sixth election cycle,
but you know, jerrymandering has been around since the early
eighteen nineteen hundreds. It's not even something that you know,
is just recently on the scene.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
I think that.

Speaker 6 (34:26):
I'm old enough to say that I'm a bit of
a cynic, and you know, I see politics everywhere, and
I think that that's everybody's always got an agenda and
they're always trying to find a way to help their side.
That's part of politics. I mean, we may not like it,
it might not be ideal, but it's true. And you know,

(34:48):
the use of money, the spending of money, the redistricting
decisions that get made in some states, right, those are
all within the system. It may seem unsavory to some,
but it's all it's political. I mean, that's such a
trite way to say it, but it's accurate, is it.

Speaker 8 (35:11):
Like when Sparky Anderson was the manager of the Detroit Tigers,
and he used to like to grow the infield grass
up high because he knew he would help his hitters.

Speaker 6 (35:22):
That's a great analogy. I think that's a great comparison. It's,
you know, operating within the boundaries. Maybe you could say
it's pushing the envelope right, but it's all it's part.

Speaker 17 (35:37):
Of the game.

Speaker 8 (35:40):
We will continue and you better bring your helmet if
you're going to be in politics these days. Just bring
your ears for Dave Dulio and your mind too, and
let's have an open mind because we've got some specific
questions related to everything. He just set the table with
He's at Oakland University. It's Michael Patrick Shields all across
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Speaker 22 (38:02):
INBC News Radio, I'm Mark Mayfield. President Trump says he
may have a meeting soon with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Speaking from the White House Wednesday, Trump said his US
envoy had good talks with Putin this week. He didn't
clarify if he believed there was a Russia Ukraine seasfire
deal on the horizon. The man accused of killing two
Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, DC earlier this year has

(38:23):
been indicted on murder and hate crimes charges.

Speaker 28 (38:26):
Tammy Trujillo reports Elias Rodriguez allegedly shot and killed Jarre
Leskinsky and Sarah Milgram outside the Capital Jewish Museum in May.
According to an indictment filed Wednesday, Rodriguez yelled free Palestine
while shooting the two victims. The US attorney for d C.
Janeine Piro has said the death penalty could be on
the table. I'm Tammy Trucheo, and massive tariffs are now

(38:47):
in effect. Import Texas will reach levels not seen in
the country in almost one hundred years, with over sixty
countries and the European Union facing rates of fifteen percent
or more. Mark Mayfield, NBC News.

Speaker 8 (38:57):
Radio, continuing our conversation about stacking the deck or growing
the infield Grass and Politics. Dave Julio as the director
of Civic Engagement at Oakland University in Rochester, Michigan, a

(39:20):
distinguished professor in the political science department, And I'm looking
at a clock right now, Professor that says two hundred
and fifteen days, seventeen hours, forty five minutes, thirty seconds
that has been put up by the initially the Michigan
Freedom Fund, but Michigan Forward, which is the amount of

(39:41):
time that the people in the Great Lakes Bay region
have no voice in the state Senate because they're without
a senator. And the governor, Whitmer is the one who
has decided not to call a special election to fill
that seat, and doesn't seem to have any appetite to
do that because it might upset the balance of power
in the Senate if a Republican were elected. Is that cricket.

Speaker 16 (40:08):
That is.

Speaker 6 (40:10):
A very well put a succinct way of telling that story,
and it is it is totally political. I mean, at
this point, two hundred and fifteen days without representation, right,
which is which? And let me say this, the we

(40:31):
here often usually at the national level, that democracy is
under threat, and I generally think that that those those
kinds of statements are hyperbolic, right, But the fundamental nature
of our system is representative democracy, where we choose leaders

(40:56):
to go to Lansing or Washington and make decision for us.
And you know, at this point, the folks in that
state Senate district, two hundred and seventy thousand or so
folks have had no representation for two hundred and fifteen days.
And it's hard to draw a conclusion other than the

(41:19):
governor doesn't want to risk a Republican being elected and
turning the state Senate into a nineteen nineteen tie. Now,
I would say that even if votes ended up nineteen nineteen,
the lieutenant governor could come in and break that tie. However,

(41:42):
you know, a tied Senate majority, tied Senate balance I
should say, is it makes it more difficult for Democrats
right to resist what's coming out of the Republican State House.
So it's really difficult. And there are groups like Common
Cause that that you know, don't say things like this

(42:05):
very lightly, that that you know, this is purely political,
and it's it's really difficult to find another explanation.

Speaker 8 (42:14):
So if the governor does run for president, she will not,
with any credit credibility, be able to use the phrase
threat to democracy when speaking of the other party.

Speaker 6 (42:24):
Well, I think it would be a good comeback for them,
for sure. And and to point to this and say, hey, look,
you know, I mean what's good for the goose is
good for the gander here. And you know, I would
also say, because I'm an equal opportunity offender, Michael Patrick,
you know that the uh, this is not unprecedented in
our in our state. In fact, we go back to
twenty eighteen and there was a state Senate district that

(42:47):
that had an open had a vacancy for almost nine months.

Speaker 8 (42:54):
Having said all this, curiously, you're going to think I'm misspeaking.
But the Speaker of the House, Republican at Hall, is
saying he applauds Governor Whitmer, someone he works very well
with on the budget. And of course this is complicated.
Now it's going to be October first. The deadline was
supposed to be this sort of notion that they would

(43:16):
be done in June, but it didn't happen. And now
this one big, beautiful bill affects the current state budget,
and Hall says the Senate has to go back to
the board and come up with a new It's not sexy,
but it is somewhat intriguing that the Speaker and the
Governor seemed to be collaborating and the rest of the
legislature is on vacation.

Speaker 6 (43:38):
It is very interesting, I think, you know, the twists
and turns of the legislative process can often lead us
down these roads. Where did another old adage? You know,
politics make strange bedfellows can can sometimes pop up, and

(43:58):
it's it's surprising when we have two folks like Speaker
Hall and Governor Whitmer who are uh seemingly working, working
across the aisle. It's surprising, but it shouldn't be right.
And you know, when we think about how our system

(44:18):
is supposed to work, uh, we have uh shared powers Uh,
at the state level, just like we do at the
national level, where you know, checks and balances are in
place between the legislature and the governor, and and to
get anything done, they have to they have to to
navigate that, and they have to they have to find

(44:38):
common grounds. So, uh, it's just it's it's more a
commentary I think on our on the current state of
our politics where we're we're surprised and flabbergasted when somebody
like Speaker Hall and Governor Whitmer can can function effectively.

Speaker 8 (44:57):
Just a minute and a half left, But we're into
the second Donald Trump presidency. And how would you if
a student walked up to you in the Halloway and said,
how do you think he's doing? What would you say?

Speaker 6 (45:11):
I would say a couple of things. I think number one,
it depends on the issue, you know, I think the
it's really interesting. I was speaking to a group of
community members the other day and we were looking at
some of the recent polling that is out there about
Donald Trump and his job performance and how people feel

(45:31):
about things like the One Big Beautiful Bill, and and
you know the public, well, the public is split on
the the overall what's the approval of that piece of legislation.
When you get into specifics of that bill, specifics of
that new law, there's there's a lot of support for

(45:53):
a lot of the initiatives, right. I think so if
we think about the economy, he's he's underwater in terms
of job job approval on the economy. But if we
look at immigration, he is still very popular or his
policies are popular. I think it's tough to give him

(46:13):
even a midterm grade because you know, we're only you know,
what's seven months in seven and a half months into
his presidency.

Speaker 8 (46:20):
But Dave Dulio gives grades to his students and gives
us an education through Oakland University in Rochester, Michigan. Thank you, professor.

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Let's start with baseball.

Speaker 31 (47:30):
Blue Jays destroyed the Rockies twenty to one to sweep
the series in Denver. Toronto set a franchise record with
forty five runs and sixty three hits in the series.
And IFL preseason kicks into high gear beginning tonight with
three games on tap, including the Eagles taking on the Bengals.
Steelers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who rarely plays in the preseason,

(47:52):
and if he would take the field against a Jag Saturday,
I don't.

Speaker 32 (47:56):
Think it's in the plan for me to play this week,
but whatever Mike wants to do fully on board wants
me to go out there and play off black. If not,
I won't with all due respect, then I can say
whatever I want. Preseason football is not necessarily real football
because the defenses just don't do a whole lot and
the offenses don't either.

Speaker 31 (48:12):
And things got a little testy between the Patriots and
Commanders during their joint practice yesterday in Foxborough, where Pat's
head coach Mike Rabel jumped in trying to break up
the scrum and came out with a bloody cheek.

Speaker 11 (48:26):
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Tony Kuppert has the rest.

Speaker 21 (49:53):
Of the sport.

Speaker 9 (49:54):
We'll quickly go through the baseball because not a lot
to be happy about. Five to three was the final
the Cardinals winners on deck game. The Cubs did win
six to one over the Reds, and then the Tigers
just an absolute messy, equally as bad series against the Twins,
one of the worst teams in Major League Baseball. Tigers
lost two to three, including yesterday nine to four. They

(50:16):
have the day off today and then they bring in
the Angels starting tomorrow. I have some NFL news and
notes for you. Of course, the Lions take on the
Falcons tomorrow in preseason action. The broadcast assignments were provided
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The Lions will open up in Green Bay, and you

(50:37):
better believe it, Jim Nance and Tony Romo will be
calling that game right on right from the start of
the season. You will see Jim Nance now. Also, the
NFL announced in a memo it was issued on Tuesday
that it has banned ammonia inhalence smelling salts. Is there
anything that's more iconic in the NFL than a player

(50:59):
on the sideline using smelling salts? Well, they were banned,
and then yesterday the NFL clarified. They said, we're not
prohibiting those items, but if you want to use them,
if you're a player, you have to bring them yourself.
So the team is not allowed to provide the smelling salts,
The player has to bring it themselves. I don't know
where they're going to store them or are they're going
to keep it all straight, but this is the NFL.

(51:21):
I don't know if it's a liability issue.

Speaker 8 (51:23):
I have no clue.

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Speaker 22 (51:54):
I'm Mark Mayfield. President Trump says he may have a
meeting soon with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Speaking from the
White House Wednesday, Trump said his US envoy had good
talks with Putin this week. He didn't clarify if he
believed there was a Russia Ukraine seaswaring deal on the horizon.
The man accused of killing two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington,
DC earlier this year has been indicted on murder and

(52:14):
hate crimes charges.

Speaker 28 (52:16):
Tammy Trujillo reports Elias Rodriguez allegedly shot and killed Jarn
Leskinsky and Sarah Milgrim outside the Capitol Jewish Museum in May.
According to an indictment filed Wednesday, Rodriguez yelled free Palestine
while shooting the two victims. The US attorney for d C.
Janein Piro, has said the death penalty could be on
the table. I'm Tammy Trucheo.

Speaker 22 (52:36):
And massive tariffs are now in effect. Import Texas will
reach levels not seen in the country in almost one
hundred years, with over sixty countries and the European Union
facing rates of fifteen percent or more. Mark Mayfield, NBC
News Radio.

Speaker 28 (52:48):
Across the Northeast, it's a cooler and breezier day following
a cold front, Highs topping out in the low eighties
with lingering showers possible in New England. The mid Atlantic
clears out with sunny skies and more comfortable humidity level.
In the southeast, another hot and muggy day, temperatures climb
into the nineties with scattered thunderstorms from Florida through the Carolinas.
The Midwest sees mostly sunny skies with highs in the

(53:10):
upper seventies to low eighties. Long storms, though are possible
across parts of Missouri, Illinois, and Indiana's warm moist air
surges north across the plains. It's hot and dry in
the South triple digits or back. In Texas and Oklahoma.
The northern plains top out in the eighties. Out West
California and the Southwest remain dry and hot. Arizona will
see highs topping one fifteen again, while inland California hits

(53:32):
one hundred. The coast stays cooler in the seventies. Monsoonal
storms are possibly again in eastern Arizona and New Mexico.
The Pacific Northwest continues a pleasant stretch with partly cloudy
skies and highs in the seventies. That's your national forecast.
I'm Tammy Triheo, NBC News Radio.

Speaker 22 (54:03):
I'm Mark Mayfield. President Trump's sweeping tariff slate went into
effect just after midnight Eastern time. Impoor taxes will reach
levels not seen in the country in almost one hundred years,
with over sixty countries and the European Union facing rates
of fifteen percent or more. A wide variety of products
will be hit, ranging from appliances to cars, food, and furniture.

(54:24):
In a post on truth Social just after things went
into effect, Trump said that billions of dollars are now
flowing into the US. President Trump says Apple is going
to invest six hundred billion dollars in the US. Trump
was joined by Apple CEO Tim Cook at the White
House on Wednesday for the announcement, where he added the
investment will happen over the next four years.

Speaker 23 (54:43):
Is that's one hundred billion dollars more than they were
originally going to invest.

Speaker 22 (54:49):
Part of the investment includes new facilities in Texas, Arizona, Utah,
and New York. President Trump says a suspect who allegedly
shot five soldiers at Fort Stewart and Georgia Wednesday is
a horrible person. Speaking from the White House on Wednesday,
Trump added that the entire nation is praying for the
victims and their families. The President said the suspect, Sergeant
Cornelius Radford, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of

(55:10):
the law. All the soldiers who were shot are expected
to recover, and Radford has been arrested. Jack Osborne, the
son of Ozzy Osbourne, is breaking a silence on the
death of his father. Brian Schuck has More, the.

Speaker 24 (55:21):
Late Black Sabbath singer, died on July twenty second due
to a heart attack, and Jack shared a tribute to
Ozzy on social media. In the wake of his death.
When writing about his father, Jack said I got fourteen thousand,
five hundred one days with that man, and I know
that is such a blessing and added that the rocker
lived his life fully. I'm Brian Shook.

Speaker 22 (55:43):
And United Airlines is resuming flights after resolving a tech
issue that led to a groundstop for all of its
flights headed to Chicago in several other major hubs. On
Wednesday evening, the airline confirmed a system ra or caused
an outage. You're listening to the latest from NBC News Radio.
President Trump's sweeping tariffs slate when in who affect Thursday
just after midnight. Import Texas will reach levels not seen

(56:04):
in the country in almost one hundred years, with over
sixty countries and the European Union facing rates of fifteen
percent or more. A wide variety of products are going
to be hit, ranging from appliances to cars, food, and furniture.
In a post on truth Social just after things went
into effect, Trump said that billions of dollars are now
flowing into the US. President Trump says Apple is going

(56:25):
to invest six hundred billion dollars in the US. Trump
was joined by Apple CEO Tim Cook at the White
House on Wednesday for the announcement, where he added the
investment will happen over the next four years.

Speaker 23 (56:35):
That's one hundred billion dollars more than they were originally
going to invest.

Speaker 22 (56:41):
Part of the investment includes new facilities in Texas, Arizona, Utah,
and New York. Claire's is filing for bankruptcy for the
second time in less than a decade. The Illinois based
accessories retailer announced it was voluntarily beginning Chapter eleven proceedings
to maximize the value of its business. ESPN will launch
it direct to consumer streaming service.

Speaker 8 (57:01):
Later this month.

Speaker 22 (57:02):
Matt Mattinson has the details.

Speaker 33 (57:07):
The news service will cost thirty dollars per month when
it becomes available August twenty first, and include access to
all of ESPN's linear channels. Also included will be WWE's
biggest events, including WrestleMania, Royal Rumble and SummerSlam, starting in
twenty twenty six. The deal with WWE was announced Wednesday,
a day after ESPN acquired NFL media assets, including the

(57:29):
NFL Network. A bundle option that includes Disney Plus and
Hulu will also be available for thirty bucks per month
for the first twelve months.

Speaker 22 (57:37):
And Wall Street closed yesterday with stocks Hire at the
closing bell. The Dow Jones Industrial average rogues by eighty
one points to forty four one to ninety three. The
S and P five hundred gained forty five points to
sixty three forty five. The NASDAK gained two hundred and
fifty two points to close at twenty one one sixty nine.
Consumer and Business News. I'm Marknefield.

Speaker 11 (57:57):
Let's start with baseball.

Speaker 31 (57:59):
Blue Jays disc droid the Rockies twenty to one to
sweep the series in Denver, Toronto set a franchise record
with forty five runs and sixty three hits in the series.
And if OL preseason kicks into high gear beginning tonight
with three games on tap.

Speaker 11 (58:14):
Including the Eagles taking on the Bengals.

Speaker 31 (58:16):
Steelers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who rarely plays in the preseason,
and if he would take the field against the Jags Saturday.

Speaker 32 (58:24):
I don't think it's in the plan for me to
play this week, but whatever Mike wants to do, I'm
fully on board. He wants me to go out there
and play off play, I know what, With all due respect,
then I can say whatever I want. Preseason football is
not necessarily real football because the defenses just don't do
a whole lot and the offenses don't either.

Speaker 31 (58:42):
And things got a little testy between the Patriots and
Commanders during their joint practice yesterday in Foxborough, where Pat's
head coach Mike Rabel jumped in trying to break up
the scrum and came out with a bloody cheek. That's sports,
I'm Ron Samoss.

Speaker 28 (58:58):
Across the Northeast, it's a cooler and easier day following
a cold front, highs topping out in the low eighties
with lingering showers possible in New England. The mid Atlantic
clears out with sunny skies and more comfortable humidity levels.
In the Southeast, another hot and muggy day, temperatures climb
into the nineties with scattered thunderstorms from Florida through the Carolinas.
The Midwest sees mostly sunny skies with highs in the

(59:19):
upper seventies to low eighties. Long storms, though are possible
across parts of Missouri, Illinois, and Indiana's warm moist air
surges north across the plains. It's hot and dry in
the South, triple digits or back in Texas and Oklahoma.
The northern plains top out in the eighties out west
California in the southwest remain dry and hot. Arizona will
see high as topping one fifteen again, while inland California

(59:41):
hits one hundred. The coast stays cooler in the seventies.
Monsoonal storms are possible again in eastern Arizona and New Mexico.
The Pacific Northwest continues a pleasant stretch with partly cloudy
skies and highs in the seventies. That's your national forecast.
I'm Tammy Triheo.

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Good morning world, Good morning Michigan. Michael Patrick Shields with
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Thursday morning, in which we will speak to Ted Nugent,
the MotorCity mad Man. Oh, he's got other nicknames too,
and he is in the news because well, let's just say,
some of the game regulators are blasting him for what

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they are saying was an insulting bit of testimony. He
gave it the Capitol, and he was armed while he
was there, by the way, for whatever that's worth. And
they say that's a security breakdown. What happened at Michigan's
capital with Ted Nugent. We'll hear it from him, and
you want to hear a little bit of what did
you consider this to be insulting? Here's what he sounded like.

Speaker 34 (01:01:40):
The DNR and the NRC have chased families out of
the sport over absolutely insane anti nature, anti science regulations.
The hunters and fishermen and trappers of this great state
of nation are responsible from the healthier squabble populations since

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the seventeen hundreds. I hope you're registering this information because
when I've testified before, I've testified the year refutable truth,
logic and common sense that if I move apples closer
to my terminally ill young boy. Because when boys and

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girls are about to die for years, they've asked, well, honey,
with ted nugent before they die? Is there a more
powerful connection than that?

Speaker 9 (01:02:33):
There isn't.

Speaker 34 (01:02:35):
And according to the NRC, those billions of apples falling
from the trees in Michigan are somehow going to cause
of disease.

Speaker 9 (01:02:43):
If I've moved them.

Speaker 34 (01:02:45):
That's insanity. And the people who enforce it and created
these policies would qualify as insane, and they've ran people
out of this state. There's a law of Michie. The
wildlife policy has to be based on side. What's the
science of a gold case? So I got rid of

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that law when I started hunting. Some man thought he
had control whether or I hunt it out.

Speaker 8 (01:03:10):
Of a tree or not.

Speaker 34 (01:03:11):
Is that a man in the tendance here that has
to troll over my tree climbing. No man has to
control over my tree climbing. There were eleven counties that
was forbidden to hunt on Sunday. Who is the man
that can intervene between God's nature and my recreational sporting
spirit connection to the good Earth, that.

Speaker 35 (01:03:30):
Can tell me to Sawhi?

Speaker 34 (01:03:32):
Mysteriously, the honey season ends when the sun goes down
plast Saturday.

Speaker 36 (01:03:36):
That's insane.

Speaker 37 (01:03:37):
So we got rid of that law.

Speaker 8 (01:03:40):
I've been bad. Nugent says, it's insane that a man
made law tells him how to convene with God's nature.
He'll convene with us. Later, Brandell and Henry went out
on their forty eight foot at Saint Francis catamaran called

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Simplicity in the Caribbean, and they got hijacked by pirates.
The yacht was moored off the coast of Grenada. The
people who hijacked them were escaped convicts. They raped her,

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dumped her and her husband, bound and gagged into the sea,
and then they deliberately sailed into them while they tried
to swim while they were gagged and bound. Their bodies
were never found. The escapees were though they'd been incarcerated
for robbery and rape, murder, and somewhere while the judge

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said it was the most heinous crime of her career.
There were defense attorneys who were begging for leniency because
the perpetrators had poverty stricken backgrounds. So come on, judge,
they were poor, what were they gonna do. I'm tempted

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to ask Andero Boot about that. He's coming up. Got
some other things to talk about too, though, But I
guess there are still pirates in the world and brutal,
gruesome crimes do take place. There are monsters that are
among us. Congressman Jack Bergman coming up later, is that

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interstellar object flying toward Earth of alien origin? And does
it mean us harm? Stay tuned for that. By the way,
sometimes the animals win a US trophy hunter, Ted NuGen
I wonder what he would think of this fifty two

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year old guy was ambushed and gored to death by
a three thousand pound black death buffalo he was trying
to kill on a ten thousand dollars safari. It's a
beast known for killing hunters more than lions and rhinos.
You think I should ask Ted Nugent about that. I

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probably have to. Now a card laid as a card played,
Stay tuned for his result. Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump
could meet along with Lodmore Zoelenski, maybe even a three
way meeting between these three leaders in hopes of coming
up with the Ukraine peace settlement. Maybe I'll ask Congressman

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Jack Bergman about that. By the way, apparently the new
president of Poland he won under the banner. Guess what
Poland first? Poles first, Carol the ROCKI, forty two year
old conservative Catholic want to runoff in June, and he
could paralyze the agenda of the European Union Prime Minister

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Donald Tusk by making sure Poland gets taken a first,
not Europe. Intriguing, more sex toys have been thrown on
the court at the WNBA Games. A fan was arrested,
and that didn't stop mother from throwing what appeared to

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be green word starts with a D at the Barclay
Center during the Wings Liberty game and at Crypto Arena
Sobhe Cunningham was apparently about to inbound the ball and
appeared to get hit or maybe this thing touched her

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green Well, just imagine it's kind of like a cucumber, okay,
and you can imagine the irony of it all. Peculiar
An ancient underwater city under Turkey's Lake Van could reveal
secrets that would challenge the origins of Noah's Ark. There

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are some sprawling ruins down there, eighty five feet below
the surface, one hundred and fifty miles from Mount Ararat.
That's where people think that the Arc was resting. This
is a long time ago this flood happened, though, I'm
just saying they're still learning about it. Also, Oh, speaking

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of religion, Mel Gibson he's doing that sequel to the
Passion of the Christ that's called the Resurrection of the Christ,
and he's decided to release it in two parts twenty
twenty seven on Good Friday and then the second part
on Ascension Day in twenty twenty seven. And some people
are saying they can't believe Mel Gibson took the Infinity
War to endgame approach to Our Lord and Savior, and

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that these movies are like a big acid trip as
Christ goes down to Hell in the movies. We live
in interesting times. It's Michael Patrick Shields.

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Speaker 13 (01:11:02):
Homeland Security Secretary Christy Nome is the latest target on
south Park. The satirical cartoon has been taking aim at
the Trump administration in its new season that debuted last month.
Episode one brought in the largest share for south Park
in twenty five years and received more social media posts
than any other in the show's history. Episode two aired

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Wednesday and featured a cartoon Christy Nome, leading ice raids
and shooting puppies in the street, including Crypto from the
Superman movie. It also featured mar A Lago as Fantasy
Island with President Trump as mister O'Rourke and JD Vance
as his tiny assistant. Lady Gaga's involvement in Wednesday season
two is extending beyond acting. According to Billboard, Gaga is

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expected to release a new song for the series next month,
titled Dead Dance. The singer has get to share more details.
Back in May, Gaga and Netflix confirmed that she'll appear
in season two of Wednesday, playing the role of a
teacher named Rosalind Rottwood. The first episode of Wednesday season
two arrived yesterday. A second batch of episodes arriving on
September third, will include Gaga's appearance on the show. And

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Kelly Clarkson is postponing the rest of her studio session
concerts in Las Vegas this month because of an illness
her ex husband is suffering from. Clarkson took to Instagram
Wednesday to say she was postponing the show so she
could support her children, saying their father has been ill
this past year.

Speaker 11 (01:12:26):
That's entertainment. I'm check lin Carl.

Speaker 35 (01:12:37):
Seriously, when the going gets tough, you don't want a
criminal lawyer, all right?

Speaker 40 (01:12:41):
You want a criminal lawyer.

Speaker 8 (01:12:45):
What I'm saying thank you Aaron Paul, who, by the way,
long before he appeared on Breaking Bad and a little
bit on Better Call, Saul was a contestant on the
Prices Rights. They showed him coming on down yesterday when
I attended the taping with my mother Gladys Shields, and
they give you a big briefing before it all starts,

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so you know what to do and what they want
you to be in terms of a lively contestant, and
where to go and what to do if you are
called two, come on down. It's Michael Patrick Shields. Come
on down to this radio broadcast, and I'm going to
tell you why you may have less of well of
a choice and who to listen to. Because the Howard

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Stern Show is going to be canceled after twenty years
on satellite radio as his one hundred million dollar contract
is up later this year. There goes Stephen Colbert, and
there goes Howard Stern, and apparently Sirius is going to
make him an offer, but they don't intend for him
to take it. Interesting They think the show is no
longer worth the investment. Andrew A Boot might take his place.

(01:13:51):
He is a lawyer, not a criminal lawyer, but a
defense lawyer. Any other reason you could call him. You
could in east Land see business all across the state
and all across the country. And he's not also a
podcast host, so maybe you would take Howard Stern's place.
What about it, Andrew.

Speaker 17 (01:14:10):
About Well, I don't think we have the same format.
Howard Stern had a very you know, forward thinking format
back in the day, and maybe people are tired of
it a little bit. I don't know, but he'll probably
be able to jump to something else outside of satellite radio.

Speaker 8 (01:14:33):
What is your approach when you host your podcast?

Speaker 17 (01:14:39):
I try and take I try and do what Michael
would do. Michael Patrick, you you're one of the best
at doing an interview, and you never try and make
your guests look bad. And really it's the only point
of the show is to try and get guests that
are you know, people might not ordin, merely get a

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chance to talk to and let them get to know
who they are and what they've accomplished and why they're special.

Speaker 8 (01:15:08):
Do you think that having been a guest so many
times on radio on different shows has made you a
better host?

Speaker 17 (01:15:17):
Well, I think it's formed my idea of what it
means to be a good host. And I mean, I
don't say this just to blow smoke up, but you
are one of the better interviews that I do, and
I never have to worry about where it's going to go,
and you seem always fluid and kind to your guests.

Speaker 8 (01:15:43):
That's very sweet of you. I wonder, in terms of
being kind to your guests, if sometimes you find yourself
slipping into cross examination mode.

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
No.

Speaker 17 (01:15:53):
I mean, as we've spoken before, direct exam is where
people get to know the witness, and I try and
ask open ended questions all the time.

Speaker 8 (01:16:06):
How can we see the podcast? I see you've had
some very big name and intriguing people and you spend
some time getting to know them, and we get to
know you as well through that process.

Speaker 17 (01:16:17):
Well there. I think we have a website the A
List Hour, and then it's on Spotify and YouTube, and
if you puntion A List Hour with Andrew Aboot, I
think you'll see the whole host of them. I just
I think our latest one is Ashley Crane, and I
know her. I've known her for some time, but I

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didn't know what an amazing story she had and it
was just one one event after another. Major life things
that most of us would be lucky to have once
in a lifetime, including having a dinner with Prince Andrew
in Colorado and at a come friends and ended up

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meeting her husband and getting married.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
So it was.

Speaker 17 (01:17:05):
A bunch of great stories about Ashley Crane. I don't
know if you know who she is, but married to
Casey Crane or Cranes in Detroit.

Speaker 8 (01:17:13):
If you mentioned Prince Andrew, that leads me to ask
about Glaine Maxwell. Do you think she's got some cards
to play in getting herself out of that twenty year sentence.

Speaker 17 (01:17:25):
I'm not sureous she does, but it seems like whatever
she's doing, she's doing all the right things.

Speaker 8 (01:17:31):
Which would suggest she's got good counsel because she got
moved out of that Tallahassee prison to the nice villasis.

Speaker 17 (01:17:39):
Whatever she's doing, she's doing the right things. And it
looks like she's on Trump's radar. And if you're on
the president's radar, and he has the absolute unbridled discretion
to issue a pardon, and you know it's people are
asking him about it, So I mean, who knows, but

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it wouldn't surprise. I mean, that's the first step, right
as you get on the president's radar, and and you
know she's got nothing to lose, but granting a pardon.

Speaker 8 (01:18:15):
I guess that would be pretty distasteful to a lot
of people, but that's never bothered him in the past.
We'll see if she's got something of value. One of
the victims in the Traverse City Walmart stabbing has retained
a big national law firm. Let's just say, unclear what
exactly they're looking for, But if they came to you

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one of those stabbing victims, would they have a case
of some sort.

Speaker 17 (01:18:40):
Well, I think this early in the proceedings. You want
to investigate the facts and see what's going on, and
get the video and get whatever interviews and get anything
from the police you can. And what we've seen historically
is that a lot of these cases have been settled

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monetarily by the whether it's the hotel or the venue
in this case, Walmart, so very possibly could be a
settlement regardless of the legal standing of the parties.

Speaker 8 (01:19:19):
It is interesting because those stores Walmart, maybe they do.
I think they have a greeeder usually that stands out
in the front. And the purpose I'm told of those
greeterers is not necessarily to be friendly, but to keep
an eye on things like shoplifting. I don't think they're
meant there to stop somebody with a gun in their
pocket or a knife in this case.

Speaker 17 (01:19:39):
Well, a lot of these stores do have security, and
there is some case law that says once you begin
to provide security, you have to provide security. And obviously
whatever security if they had it there, and I don't
think it's the Walmart didn't work.

Speaker 22 (01:19:59):
Andrew app, though, says it has deleted six point eight
million accounts linked to scammers so far this year. The
messaging app owned by Meta said many of the accounts
were used by organized crime groups out of Southeast Asia
that used forced labor in running the scams. The app
has also put out new anti scam measures in place
to try and alert users to fraudulent activity. President Trump
says Apple is going to invest six hundred billion dollars

(01:20:21):
in the US. Trump was joined by Apple CEO Tim
Cook at the White House on Wednesday for the announcement,
where he added the investment will happen over the next
four years.

Speaker 23 (01:20:29):
That's one hundred billion dollars more than they were originally
going to invest.

Speaker 22 (01:20:34):
Part of the investment includes new facilities in Texas, Arizona, Utah,
and New York, and Roku is launching a new and
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that includes almost ten thousand hours of content. The library
content includes shows and movies from studios like Warner Brothers, Discovery,
and Lionsgate. So far, it's only available on Roku devices,
both the company plans to make it available elsewhere soon.

Speaker 8 (01:20:56):
Tech Report.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
I'm Mark Mayfield, Michigan's Big Show starring Michael Patrick Shields.

Speaker 8 (01:21:03):
Why would you say, Jays Bolger West Michigan is such
a desirable place to live and work.

Speaker 19 (01:21:09):
I think it's because the opportunities that are created by
the private investments, those families that are dedicated to growing
their business. And the first key to good philanthropy has
Rich to ass once said, is a successful business. You
can't do philanthropy without a successful business.

Speaker 8 (01:21:25):
Very sweet comments by Andrew boot about my interviewing technique.
I'll say listening is a big part of it, and
I learned from some Hall of Fame radio hosts and
so I'm just basically ripping off their act as best
as I can. But you notice in that interview when
he somehow mentioned Prince Andrew, you have to be listening,
because that would have gone by if you weren't listening,

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And that steered the direction of the conversation. Remember when
the governor's husband got in trouble for wanting his boat
put in first during the pandemic up there and rapids. Well, JD.
Vance had the Army Corps of Engineers take the unusual

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step of changing the outflow of a lake in Ohio
to accommodate a recent boating excursion on a family holiday.
According to the Guardian, requests came from the Secret Service
to support safe navigation on the Little Miami River. So
I don't know. They were celebrating his forty first birthday.

(01:22:30):
And there's a tributary that Caesar Creek Lake feeds into.
And so was it actually the Vice president who wanted
navigable waters or was it the Secret Service who said,
you know, in order for us to be able to
keep him safe, we're going to have to change the
way the water flows. You decide. But man oh Man,

(01:22:51):
talk about being under the microscope. We talked about this
earlier with Dave Dulio. Why would anybody want to run
for office with a constant scrutiny, and of course the
governor's husband said he was making a joke about it
back in the day when he said, you know, does
being the governor's husband help with the getting the boat
in early? And they're still talking about it. Blue Cross

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involved today. Ted Nugent coming up next hour, and in
just a few minutes, Congressman Jack Bergman not only about
the wildfire smoke, but the alien invasion coming in November.
It's MPs.

Speaker 22 (01:24:02):
NBC News Radio. I'm Mark Mayfield. President Trump's sweeping tariff
slate went into effect just after midnight Eastern time. Import
taxes will reach levels not seen in the country in
almost one hundred years, with over sixty countries and the
European Union facing rates of fifteen percent or more. A
wide variety of products will be hit, ranging from appliances

(01:24:22):
to cars, food, and furniture. In a post on truth
Social just after things went into effect, Trump said that
billions of dollars are now flowing into the US. President
Trump says Apple is going to invest six hundred billion
dollars in the US. Trump was joined by Apple CEO
Tim Cook at the White House on Wednesday for the announcement,
where he added the investment will happen over the next
four years.

Speaker 23 (01:24:43):
That's one hundred billion dollars more than they were originally
going to invest.

Speaker 22 (01:24:49):
Part of the investment includes new facilities in Texas, Arizona, Utah,
and New York. President Trump says a suspect who allegedly
shot five soldiers at Fort Stewart and Georgia Wednesday is
a horrible person. Speaking from the White House on Wednesday,
Trump added that the entire nation is praying for the
victims and their families. The President said the suspect, Sergeant
Cornelius Radford, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of

(01:25:10):
the law. All the soldiers who were shot are expected
to recover, and Radford has been arrested Jack Osborne, the
son of Ozzy Osbourne, is breaking a silence on the
death of his father. Brian Schuck has More.

Speaker 24 (01:25:21):
The late Black Sabbath singer, died on July twenty second
due to a heart attack, and Jack shared a tribute
to Ozzy on social media in the wake of his death.
When writing about his father, Jack said I got fourteen thousand,
five hundred one days with that man, and I know
that is such a blessing, and added that the rocker
lived his life fully. I'm Brian Shook.

Speaker 22 (01:25:43):
And United Airlines is resuming flights after resolving a tech
issue that led to a groundstop for all of its
flights headed to Chicago in several other major hubs. On
Wednesday evening, the airline confirmed a system ra or caustant outage.
You're listening to the latest from NBC News Radio.

Speaker 18 (01:25:57):
The Department of Health and Human Services is canceling nearly
two dozen vaccine development projects targeting viruses like COVID nineteen
and the flu Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Junior, says those
vaccines are mRNA based vaccines. They were credited with helping
to sload the COVID nineteen pandemic. But Kennedy has long

(01:26:19):
been a critic of mRNA vaccine technology, and a new
Chinese study links poor sleep to more than one hundred
and seventy diseases, including diabetes, dementia, Parkinson's disease, also acute
kidney failure, hypertension, cirrhosis, even Gangreen researchers say they analyze

(01:26:40):
the medical data of more than eighty eight thousand adults
in the UK Biobank. The studies co authors say the
good news is that modifying behavior and getting good sleep
can improve health and longevity. Health Update. I'm Sarah Lee Kessler.

Speaker 11 (01:27:07):
Summertime in Northern Michigan.

Speaker 8 (01:27:11):
It's a smoky time in Northern Michigan. And we're not
talking about the Golden gate Bridge with the fog around it.
We're talking about the Mackinaw Bridge with smoke around it.
Jack Bergman John Warren Bergman is his real name, as
an American politician, Member of Congress, retired United States Marine
Corps Lieutenant general, and he has been in office in

(01:27:33):
the Swamp of Washington, d C. Since twenty seventeen, representing
northern Michigan and is on our AT and T line
or right this very moment, thank you for being here.
General Congressman, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 21 (01:27:47):
Hey Michael Patrick Boyd. That was I haven't heard my
full name for a long time. It's it's good to
be with you this morning.

Speaker 8 (01:27:54):
Do you let everybody call you Jack?

Speaker 21 (01:27:57):
Well, anybody who wants to is My mother would have
said that. You know, it doesn't say that fancy stuff
on your birth certificate. So get over yourself and go by.
You know just who we named you, all right?

Speaker 8 (01:28:11):
You put your name along with six other Michigan Republicans
in a joint statement about this smoke I referred to
coming from Canada. I mean, what are we going to
do about it? What can be done?

Speaker 5 (01:28:24):
Well, you know this is not new.

Speaker 21 (01:28:28):
There are there are forest fires in Canada every year,
and we know for a fact, I don't care whether
it's in Canada to us, pick any part of the
world that has forced they need to be managed. And
for too long, I've followed this for decades because literally
when decades ago, when I was still in uniform, we

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used to send some aircraft and some folks up there
to help fight the fire from time to time, especially
air dropping you know, fire suppressant onto different areas. Canada
really has made it a priority. They could do better,
and we led the letter in our office to and
the rest of the delegation thankfully got on board. Because

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it's about management, whether it's forest management, wildlife management, of
water management. But Canada has been short changing its neighbors
who are worth the mercy of the rotation of the
earth and how the winds blow when a fire starts.
But a healthy for us is a managed for us.
The Canadians can do better. That's why we started to
call them out.

Speaker 8 (01:29:32):
Canadian Embassy says to The New York Times, they take
the prevention, response, and mitigation of wildfires very seriously. Do
you disagree?

Speaker 21 (01:29:42):
Well, if they take it well, obviously they can take
it seriously, but they're obviously not doing it successfully. So
you can have the best of intentions in mind and
say we're going to take this very seriously, but if
you don't do your job, you've got bad results. So
I would suggest to them they step up their game
and take them results very seriously, not just that the

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fact that forest fires exist.

Speaker 8 (01:30:06):
As a military you served in the military as a
general and a commercial pilot as well too. Are you
following or have any interest in this thirty one atlas.
This object, which may or may not be a comet,
which some scientists are saying is not natural and others

(01:30:26):
are saying, is just a comet heading toward our solar
system in the United States this November. Some people think
that it's some sort of alien life force and probes
that will be released into the system and will come
here to Earth and possibly menace us. Have you followed
that at all?

Speaker 21 (01:30:46):
Well, the short answer is I have not. I think
that's interesting that that theory is out there. You know,
I've been in DC up until about ten days ago
working on you know, doing things for the American people
and right honestly for a greater global economy by balancing
trade and getting tax policy done. And I didn't have

(01:31:08):
any any conferences related to potential alien beings or probes
from a comet coming in my daily discussion. So I'm
I pardon me if I sound like I'm laughing a
little bit. But we take everything seriously. But no, that's
a new one for me. Michael Patrick. I have one

(01:31:29):
of my interns take a look into it.

Speaker 8 (01:31:31):
Well, I would think about it, because you know, it
isn't going to matter much all that stuff. If this
thing is going to invade us and could menace the
globe when you're speaking about the global economy. To speak
about the economy. By the way, I'm reading here too
that the people in Cuba, how awful it is for
them right now. They're digging food from trash heaps, people

(01:31:53):
are dying from lack of medication. But the military has
eighteen billion dollars stockpiled. In terms of foreign policy, how
kind of situation like that Endo or ninety miles from
Key West.

Speaker 21 (01:32:07):
Well, you know, Cuba has been a dictatorship since Castro
took over from the Batista back of the fifties, and
the Cuban people have been the.

Speaker 5 (01:32:19):
The lesser.

Speaker 21 (01:32:20):
You know, they've been the victims of that oppressive regime.

Speaker 5 (01:32:25):
Historically.

Speaker 21 (01:32:26):
Again, since Castro took over, those of us have been
around on the earth a while, remember when all of
that happened. We as the United States, the best we
can do is keep the humanitarian aid side and with
the different humanitarian aid groups going. I was in Cuba
probably it's probably been six years, made a trip down there,

(01:32:48):
and you know, there's no crime, no, there's no anything,
only because there's no freedom, there's no drugs, no crime
because the government controls everything, so it's upon the government,
the Cuban government, to provide it. They're not doing it.
They haven't really cared about the people. They just keeping
their pest. By the way, we couldn't go out when

(01:33:12):
we were down there in Havana. They wouldn't let us
go out into the if you we what we'd call
here in the US the farm lands, because they didn't
want us to see how much poverty the people were in.
But if you want to talk to some people who
know it, talk to some of my Republican colleagues in
the House, Mario Diaz Balart, Maria Salazar, Carlosinez, who are

(01:33:35):
all Cuban, and they are very passionate about how bad
the Cuban regime has been for their entire lifetimes.

Speaker 8 (01:33:42):
Is the President going to meet with Vladimir Putin and
Voldemore Zolensky. Are they going to have a sort of
a summit meeting, That's what I'm reading this morning.

Speaker 21 (01:33:50):
Yeah, don't know, I haven't seen that one. But you know,
the one thing we know for sure, we know well
two things. Number One, Putin is a thug. He's not
going to stop until somebody stops him. Number two, the
President has been more proactive in trying to create peace
in that region, whatever that means, whether it's a ceasefire,

(01:34:11):
whether it's a you know, just just stopping the invasion
and the randomness of the attacks. It's one thing to
have focused attacks, military targets, but Putin has shown that
he'll he'll target civilians, he'll target anybody just to kill
the Ukrainians, which is not a man. The man has

(01:34:31):
no spine when it comes right down to it. But
also if he had one, he would realize that he
can't win. The President Trump is going to keep pressure
and until he gets some kind of a peace deal
and some kind of a stopping of the relentless bombing, uh,
you know, of the Ukrainians by the Russians.

Speaker 8 (01:34:50):
What happens general when Hamas runs out of live hostages, Well.

Speaker 21 (01:34:57):
Hamas, Hamas is to be able to read the writing
on the wall that their fate pretty much has been
determined because their way of seeking power and control, again
like Putin, is to destroy human life and human dignity.
So Hamas, I don't know if they have the ability

(01:35:22):
as we would say, see the forest for the trees here,
but their time is limited and we're not going to stop.

Speaker 8 (01:35:30):
It's even as someone who served in the military, got
to be shocking sometimes to see the level of man's
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Speaker 22 (01:38:04):
I'm Mark Mayfield. President Trump says he may have a
meeting soon with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Speaking from the
White House Wednesday, Trump said his US envoy had good
talks with Putin this week. He didn't clarify if he
believed there was a Russia Ukraine seasfaring deal on the horizon.
The man accused of killing two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington,
DC earlier this year has been indicted on murder and

(01:38:24):
hate crimes charges.

Speaker 28 (01:38:26):
Tammy Trujillo reports Elias Rodriguez allegedly shot and killed Yarin
Leskinsky and Sarah Milgram outside the Capital Jewish Museum in May.
According to an indictment filed Wednesday, Rodriguez yeld Free Palestine
while shooting the two victims. The US attorney for d C.
Janein Piro, has said the death penalty could be on
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Speaker 22 (01:38:46):
And massive tariffs are now in effect. Import Texas will
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Speaker 37 (01:38:57):
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Kitten Boisson whiskey.

Speaker 8 (01:39:25):
If you didn't understand any of that Quebec, Wi, you
understood the word whiskey. So let's have a drink and
talk about it. It's Michael Patrick Shields. Business Leaders for
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dot com. It's made up of the heads of Michigan's
largest companies and universities and one of the most successful
business people in the state of Michigan. It's a generational
situation is Dick de Voss and de Boss must know
something about whiskey because he put out a post last
week congratulations to West Michigan based Craft Co. And it's

(01:40:09):
Joseph Magnus Fox and Odin and Coppercraft brands for taking
home the top honors as some of the best bourbons
and rye whiskeys in the world. They've got Platinum Awards,
double Gold Awards, silver medals and nine year straight a
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(01:40:33):
of the craft Co team. Congratulations to them and their customers.
And that is a pretty good endorsement from a fella
who is very discerning. Ali Anderson is the CEO of
craft Co based in West Michigan. She's been on the
program before and she is back now from the Coppercraft
Distillery on our radio stage. Congratulations, well, thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (01:40:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 43 (01:40:55):
You know, whiskey sounds good in any language, doesn't it.
It's kind of universal, So yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 8 (01:41:01):
We're thrilled it's universal, except that some people spell it
with an E and some people without the e, and
that has always been peculiar to me as well.

Speaker 43 (01:41:12):
Yeah, you know, what are you going to do about Scotland.
They know a thing or two about whiskey, They just
don't know how to spell it.

Speaker 7 (01:41:17):
Like we do.

Speaker 8 (01:41:21):
And they apparently don't know how to make it like
you do either. And the journey that started with Coppercraft
based on this post and based on what we're learning
about craftc has really evolved into quite a range of products.

Speaker 43 (01:41:37):
It really has, it really has, you know, and we'll
say Scotts and Bourbon are quite a bit different. But
you know, we've been at this bourbon game really with
copper Craft since twenty twelve, so you know, we've been
doing this for a minute. With Magnus we it was
a pre probition brand, we brought it back in twenty fifteen,
and now under the Craft Coo umbrella, we've just we've

(01:41:57):
got so many other brands. We've got Fox and ode
right which is a Michigan brand, and I'm so so
proud of our head blender and distiller for that, Will Fabry,
who's heading down to San Antonio in a couple of
weeks as a best of class finalists at ADI and
then over to De Francisco in November for a really
big one. And that's one of only five whiskeys in

(01:42:19):
the country that are up for best in class special
barrel finished bourbon, and we've got two of them with
Fox and Oden and Jessein Magus Bourbon right here out
of Michigan.

Speaker 8 (01:42:27):
So We're super proud for somebody who might be intrigued
by all of this and maybe new to the whiskey world.
It is a bit complicated as to what is a rye,
what is a bourbon? You described the distinction right there
between Scotch, which some people may or may not realize
is just whiskey made in Scotland. How do you even

(01:42:47):
begin to teach? And can people come into the facility
in West Michigan and learn.

Speaker 43 (01:42:53):
Well, great question, they will very soon. I'm so thrilled
that we're going to be reopening our tap room, not
just as Coppercer, but we're gonna have all of our
brands there starting September sixteenth in Holland Miskin. So coming
out to the Lake shore and see us, We're so excited.
We've got organic liqueurs, we've got very high end whiskeys,
We've got kind of your every day sipper with flying

(01:43:14):
ace and copper craft. So absolutely people can come in.
We welcome them, have a bite, take a tour with us,
fit down and just talk, you know, connect over a
glass of whiskey. What could be better?

Speaker 8 (01:43:28):
It's interesting, you just made me real. Three Top industries
or agulture manufacturing, and tourism, and you have all three
and one in craft Go and at Coppercraft.

Speaker 43 (01:43:39):
I hadn't really sun of that so you mentioned that,
But yeah, you're right.

Speaker 21 (01:43:42):
You're right.

Speaker 43 (01:43:43):
You can sip your corn, you can sip your agriculture
here at Coppercraft, and certainly just sit down and enjoy
great food as well. We've got a wonderful culinary scene
here in West Michigan as well, so lots of good
things to enjoy when you come out and see us.

Speaker 8 (01:43:58):
For sure, I find that once you visit the place
where something is made and taste it, that you have
an affinity to it for life. Because when you sit
down at home and maybe you bought a bottle of
it down the road at a Meyer store or wherever,
you can imagine where it came from and know that
you were right there at the birthplace of that product.

(01:44:20):
And it changes the story, doesn't It.

Speaker 43 (01:44:24):
Changes your connection to it. Aren't We all just kind
of looking for that connection to products, and when you can,
you can actually meet the makers.

Speaker 20 (01:44:32):
Of our products.

Speaker 43 (01:44:33):
I just think that's the unique opportunity in any industry,
but especially in something where you know you're gonna you're
going to put that in your body, you're going to
enjoy it. You want to know how it's made, where
it's made, You want to the history, the art and
the science of it.

Speaker 5 (01:44:48):
You know.

Speaker 43 (01:44:49):
I just think it's fascinating and wonderful that we're able
to connect that way over a product.

Speaker 8 (01:44:55):
When you win awards like that. Allie Anderson, CEO of
craft Co, What what are those awards based on?

Speaker 43 (01:45:03):
Well, they're judged by the best in the industry. So
often it's other blenders, it's journalists, it's people that taste
you know, whiskey for a living and have been doing
it for many years, so we really trust their expertise.
You know, they taste it at San Francisco this year,
they taste it over sixteen thousand whiskeys, right, and that
covers Scotch as well. That's a lot so for us

(01:45:26):
to have. You know, there's only five Best of Class
finalists and the special Barrel Finished category and we.

Speaker 5 (01:45:32):
Have two of those.

Speaker 43 (01:45:35):
Yeah, you take their opinion and you go, well, thank
you very much. We've worked really really hard to make
this amazing and to have that recognized by people that
have been doing this a really long time is it's
just it's thrilling for us. It's really wonderful.

Speaker 8 (01:45:48):
So Devas or any of those business leaders from Michigan
I mentioned, walked in and said, serve me tasting of
your best what would be in the glass.

Speaker 43 (01:46:01):
Right here today? I'll tell you every day it's going
to be Fox and Odin double oh straight bourbon whiskey.
It is incredible chocolity and smooth and just you know,
it's a beautiful blend of eight and sixteen year old bourbons.
Just you're not going to go wrong with that.

Speaker 8 (01:46:19):
Allie Anderson just gave us our prescription for the days.
She's the CEO of Craft Co and the Copper Craft Distillery.
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Speaker 11 (01:47:28):
Let's start with baseball.

Speaker 31 (01:47:30):
Blue Jays destroyed the Rockies twenty to one to sweep
the series in Denver, Toronto set a franchise record with
forty five runs and sixty three hits in the series.
And IFL preseason kicks into high gear beginning tonight with
three games on tap.

Speaker 11 (01:47:44):
Including the Eagles taking on the Bengals.

Speaker 31 (01:47:47):
Steelers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who rarely plays in the preseason,
and if he would take the field against a Jag Saturday, I.

Speaker 32 (01:47:55):
Don't think it's in the plan for me to play
this week, but whatever Mike wants to do, I'm fully
on wants me to go out there and play of blood.
If not well, with all due respect, then I can
say whatever I want. Preseason football is not necessarily real
football because the defenses just don't do a whole lot
and the offenses don't either.

Speaker 31 (01:48:12):
And things got a little testy between the Patriots and
Commanders during their joint practice yesterday in Foxborough, where Pat's
head coach Mike Rabel jumped in trying to break up
the scrum and came out with a bloodbeek.

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Speaker 8 (01:48:59):
I need the advice of Tony Cuthbert, who is never
steered me wrong on decisions like this in the past.
I have a seven am flight to Las Vegas on
Saturday morning to cover the Virtuoso Travel Conference, which is
a very intense four days with five thousand people from
around the world, and you know on Fridays, that's been

(01:49:24):
a very busy week. My mother's been visiting, We've been
to television shows, there's been a lot of touring around
and all that kind of thing. However, Friday Night it's
Clayton Kershaw versus Max Scherzer.

Speaker 9 (01:49:37):
Oh, yes, for the fifth time. This is important.

Speaker 8 (01:49:42):
Do I go to the game and have the early
flight or just listen to it on the radio.

Speaker 9 (01:49:48):
I think you're gonna have to actually go to this game.
This is a matchup of two guys that have been
in the major leagues forever, Cy Young Award winners, and
you can pretty much better that this is going to
be the last time they go up against So I
think you should do it and then just plan a
nice nap on that very short flight. What are we
looking at for tickets for something like this at the moment?

Speaker 8 (01:50:10):
Do you have any clue or I haven't looked yet
because I haven't hurt my head on math until I
decided philosophically whether it's a must.

Speaker 9 (01:50:18):
Go Friday night. The cheapest ticket one hundred and twenty
four dollars at the moment.

Speaker 8 (01:50:25):
That's probably way up in the top yeah, stadium in
Major League Baseball.

Speaker 9 (01:50:30):
Yeah, you're a mile away. Now, this is a great
matchup because the Toronto Blue Jays are super good, arguably
the best team in the American League. This could be
a World Series preview, to be honest with you. And
when you have those two guys out, because those two
starting pitchers might not actually be starting games if they
do meet in the playoffs, just saying, because they're both

(01:50:50):
a little bit up there in age, and they'll probably
put them in the bullpen.

Speaker 8 (01:50:53):
And I can bet the game and win, I can
mitigate the cost of the ticket. So what is your
advice on the bet?

Speaker 9 (01:50:59):
I would go with the Dodgers on this one, just
because I've seen Max Scherzers act and he was good
against the Tigers, but they kind of hit him around.
So I would take the Dodgers on this one. But
I think you should go enjoy yourself and actually putting
no money on the game, just so you can just
free your mind from all of that nonsense and just
taking a baseball game. Or am I crazy for even.

Speaker 8 (01:51:19):
Asking you to? I know, I'll make the money up
in Vegas.

Speaker 9 (01:51:22):
That's right, That's right, and everything's gonna just be swimmingly
good for you on this one. So we'll see with that.
And the Tigers, by the way, when they return on Friday,
it will be against the Angels, and they've lost two
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Speaker 8 (01:51:38):
Is that an Anaheim or Detroit?

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
It's in Detroit.

Speaker 7 (01:51:40):
Oh, Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:51:42):
There's a decision I don't have to make. I decide
to stay with us. Next hour, it's MPs.

Speaker 22 (01:51:51):
NBC News Radio. I'm Mark Mayfield. President Trump says he
may have a meeting soon with the Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Speaking from the White House Wednesday, Trump said a US
envoy had good talks with Putin this week. He didn't
clarify if he believed there was a Russia Ukraine seaswaring
deal on the horizon. The man accused of killing two
Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, DC earlier this year has

(01:52:12):
been indicted on murder and hate crimes charges.

Speaker 28 (01:52:14):
Tammy Trujillo reports Elias Rodriguez allegedly shot and killed Yarin
Leskinsky and Sarah Milgrim outside the Capitol Jewish Museum in May.
According to an indictment filed Wednesday, Rodriguez yelled free Palestine
while shooting the two victims. The US attorney for d C.
Janein Piro, has said the death penalty could be on
the table. I'm Tammy Trucheo.

Speaker 22 (01:52:34):
And massive tariffs are now in effect. Import Texas will
reach levels not seen in the country in almost one
hundred years, with over sixty countries and the European Union
facing rates of fifteen percent or more. Mark Mayfield, NBC
News Radio.

Speaker 28 (01:52:47):
Across the Northeast, it's a cooler and breezier day following
a cold front, Highs topping out in the low eighties,
with lingering showers possible in New England. The mid Atlantic
clears out with sunny skies and more comfortable humidity levels.
In the Southeast eat another hot and muggy day, Temperatures
climb into the nineties with scattered thunderstorms from Florida through
the Carolinas. The Midwest seas mostly sunny skies with highs

(01:53:08):
in the upper seventies to low eighties. Long storms, though
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moist air surges north across the plains, It's hot and
dry in the south triple digits or back in Texas
and Oklahoma. The northern plains top out in the eighties.
Out West California and the Southwest remain dry and hot.
Arizona will see high as topping one fifteen again, while

(01:53:30):
inland California hits one hundred. The coast stays cooler in
the seventies. Monsooner storms are possible again in eastern Arizona
and New Mexico. The Pacific Northwest continues a pleasant stretch
with partly cloudy skies and highs in the seventies. That's
your national forecast. I'm Tammy Trheo, NBC News Radio.

Speaker 22 (01:54:01):
I'm Mark Mayfield. President Trump's sweeping tariff slate went into
effect just after midnight Eastern time. Impoor taxes will reach
levels not seen in the country in almost one hundred years,
with over sixty countries and the European Union facing rates
of fifteen percent or more. A wide variety of products
will be hit, ranging from appliances to cars, food, and furniture.

(01:54:22):
In a post on truth Social just after things went
into effect, Trump said that billions of dollars are now
flowing into the US. President Trump says Apple is going
to invest six hundred billion dollars in the US. Trump
was joined by Apple CEO Tim Cook at the White
House on Wednesday for the announcement, where he added the
investment will happen over the next four years.

Speaker 23 (01:54:42):
Is that's one hundred billion dollars more than they were
originally going to invest.

Speaker 22 (01:54:47):
Part of the investment includes new facilities in Texas, Arizona, Utah,
and New York. President Trump says a suspect who allegedly
shot five soldiers at Fort Stewart and Georgia Wednesday is
a horrible person. Speaking from the White House on Wednesday,
Trump added that the entire nation is praying for the
victims and their families. The President said the suspect, Sergeant
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(01:55:09):
the law. All the soldiers who were shot are expected
to recover, and Radford has been arrested. Jack Osborne, the
son of Ozzy Osbourne, is breaking a silence on the
death of his father. Brian Schuck has More.

Speaker 24 (01:55:20):
The late Black Sabbath singer, died on July twenty second
due to a heart attack, and Jack shared a tribute
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When writing about his father, Jack said I got fourteen thousand,
five hundred one days with that man, and I know
that is such a blessing and added that the rocker
lived his life fully. I'm Brian Shook, and.

Speaker 22 (01:55:42):
The United Airlines is resuming flights after resolving a tech
issue that led to a ground stop for all of
its flights headed to Chicago in several other major hubs
On Wednesday evening, the airline confirmed a system er or
caused at outage. You're listening to the latest from NBC
News Radio. President Trump's sweeping tariff's slate went into effect
Thursday after midnight. Import Texas will reach levels not seen

(01:56:03):
in the country in almost one hundred years, with over
sixty countries and the European Union facing rates of fifteen
percent or more. A wide variety of products are going
to be hit, ranging from appliances to cars, food, and furniture.
In a post on truth social just after things went
into effect, Trump said that billions of dollars are now
flowing into the US. President Trump says Apple is going

(01:56:24):
to invest six hundred billion dollars in the US. Trump
was joined by Apple CEO Tim Cook at the White
House on Wednesday for the announcement, where he added the
investment will happen over the next four years.

Speaker 23 (01:56:34):
That's one hundred billion dollars more than they were originally
going to invest.

Speaker 22 (01:56:40):
Part of the investment includes new facilities in Texas, Arizona, Utah,
and New York. Claire's is filing for bankruptcy for the
second time in less than a decade. The Illinois based
accessories retailer announced it was voluntarily beginning Chapter eleven proceedings
to maximize the value of its business. ESPN will launch
its direct to consumers screaming service later this month. Matt

(01:57:01):
Mattinson has the details.

Speaker 33 (01:57:05):
The news service will cost thirty dollars per month when
it becomes available August twenty first, and include access to
all of ESPN's linear channels. Also included will be WWE's
biggest events, including WrestleMania, Royal Rumble and SummerSlam, starting in
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 8 (01:57:21):
The deal with WWE was announced Wednesday, a.

Speaker 33 (01:57:24):
Day after ESPN acquired NFL media assets, including the NFL Network.
A bundle option that includes Disney Plus and Hulu will
also be available for thirty bucks per month for the
first twelve months.

Speaker 22 (01:57:36):
And Wall Street closed yesterday with stocks hire at the
closing bell. The Dow Junes Industrial average rogues by eighty
one points to forty four one to ninety three. The
S and P five hundred gained forty five points to
sixty three forty five. The NASDAK gained two hundred and
fifty two points to close at twenty one one sixty nine.
Consumer and Business News. I'm Mark Neefield.

Speaker 11 (01:57:56):
Let's start with baseball.

Speaker 31 (01:57:57):
Blue Jays destroyed the Rockies twenty to one to sweep
the series in Denver. Toronto set a franchise record with
forty five runs and sixty three hits in the series.
And if OL preseason kicks into high gear beginning tonight
with three games on tap.

Speaker 11 (01:58:12):
Including the Eagles taking on the Bengals.

Speaker 31 (01:58:15):
Steelers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who rarely plays in the preseason,
and if he would take the field against the Jags Saturday,
I don't think it's in the plan for me to
play this week, but whatever Mike wants to do, I'm
fully on board.

Speaker 32 (01:58:28):
He wants me to go out there and play, I'll play.
If not, I know won't With all due respects, then
I can say whatever I want. Preseason football is not
necessarily real football because the defenses just don't do a
whole lot and the offenses don't either.

Speaker 31 (01:58:40):
And things got a little testy between the Patriots and
Commanders during their joint practice yesterday in Foxborough, where Pat's
head coach Mike Rabel jumped in trying to break up
the scrum and came out with a bloody cheek. That's sports,
I'm Ron Samoss.

Speaker 28 (01:58:57):
Across the Northeast, it's a cooler and breezier day following
a cold front, Highs topping out in the low eighties
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Speaker 8 (02:00:49):
Good morning world, Good morning Michigan. Yes, those are members
of the United States House of Representatives, Republicans and Democrats
going at each other. And let's just say a less
dignified fashion. Did that happen in ancient Rome? Well Bred
and circuses is what the satirist juvenile said to refer

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to superficial appeasements used by the powerful to placate the
public and distract them from the actual political corruption. Are
we distracted by shiny things? Shiny things like celebrities and
musicians and athletes and influencers and political personalities like you

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just heard there, even virtual reality, even the likes of
Ted Nugent, who appears on this program from time to time,
throwing flames all around. It's the supposition of Kurt Warner,
a licensed clinical social worker and therapist. His book is
called False Idols, How Diversion is Destroying Democracy. Welcome to

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the airwaves, and thank you for being here.

Speaker 36 (02:02:00):
Hi, thank you, thank you very much. For having me
this one.

Speaker 8 (02:02:03):
Appreciate that very much. The fact that George Clooney, for instance,
let's say, one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, had
a huge fundraiser for Joe Biden twenty million dollars in
Los Angeles, and then two weeks later wrote an op
ed that Joe Biden shouldn't be the nominee. Is that
a perfect example of what you're talking about of a

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celebrity having too much influence?

Speaker 36 (02:02:27):
Absolutely anytime. There are a wealth of individuals who admire
George Clooney, and from the psychological perspective, the hurt instinct
would dictate that many of them will sort of follow
his lead whatever he says. And I'm not sure that
what George Clooney says should be why people vote a

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certain way. And that's that's the notion dating all the
way back, Like you said to Juvenile.

Speaker 8 (02:02:58):
Did you haf or what did you think when you
heard that audio just now of Jasmine Crockett and Marjorie
Taylor Green, who make for a great copy. As we
used to say in that you almost have to be sensational.
These days, it seems like or wacky to get attention
in the in the modern media world.

Speaker 36 (02:03:19):
You do, and in every system in society that's reflected
what's outrageous, what catches that attention is glitterly and interesting
and fun to watch in the same way. You know,
I remember Jerry Springer growing up. That was the same draw.
It was that notion that people were very drawn to.
It was the fights and the yelling. But at the

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end of the day, I didn't hear any substance in
the discourse that you in the crocket that in that
discourse they played. I don't hear issues or things that
matter to the very people and their lives who are
going to be determined by the policies that they make.
And so it's a it's a good media sound bite.

Speaker 25 (02:04:02):
But it's not.

Speaker 36 (02:04:03):
There's no substance, and that's I would like it, and
that I would liken that a lot to the circuses
of ancient Rome, and when juveniles said the bread and circuses,
the circus is being uh, the colisseum, the gladiators, the
free entertainment that Rome put on in order to make
people look the other way so they can do what
they wanted. The wheat was provided so that the senators,

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so that people didn't get so poor that they revolted.
So the Rome provided just enough food, you know, to
the poor, to the people who didn't have, so that
they would be complacent. And that's I would argue both
on the entertainment in the same way it's mirrored today.
It's just in a much more complex world in late
two thousand years later in America, in a much more

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complex world, there are many more systems that are capable
of doing this. And that's what I'm trying to highlight
and illuminate in the book.

Speaker 8 (02:04:56):
The book is called false Idols, How a diversion destroying democracy?
And good God, are you comparing the United States government
and the House of Representatives and the Senate and even
the White House to the Jerry Springer Show at a
big scale?

Speaker 25 (02:05:13):
I just did, yes, And.

Speaker 36 (02:05:16):
That's what gets the sound bite rather than something about
healthcare or poverty. And that's where I feel like one
of the things I highlight a lot in the book
is the notion of critical thinking and sifting through this
so that we can discern what's important from what's for
lack of a better circuses, for what's, you know, just
entertainment like that.

Speaker 8 (02:05:39):
Because you're a licensed clinical social worker and a therapist.
There is a phrase going around called Trump derangement syndrome,
and I'm not speaking about it in any kind of
support or detraction from the current president. However, I do
tend to believe that there are people who are so
preoccupied with this man that they see everything through the

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prism of him. Is that fair?

Speaker 6 (02:06:06):
It's absolutely fair.

Speaker 36 (02:06:08):
The first chapter in the book, I have a chapter
on celebrity, which, after all, Donald Trump was way before
he was president, and the notion of celebrity. There's there's
this concept of parasocial relationships that we have and the
statistics there's a lot of statistics that I discussed, but

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ninety percent of us have a parasocial relationship with a
celebrity at some point in our lives. Thirty percent of
that ninety percent want to be that person.

Speaker 31 (02:06:37):
And this.

Speaker 36 (02:06:40):
Ralphaldo Emerson said imitation is suicide, and I would argue
that's a big part of the downfall of when we
when we commit sort of a when we commit a
suicide of self by trying to become the celebrity, we
advocate our responsibility to ourselves and to each other. And
that's what I think is occurring on a large scale.

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People are obsessed with Donald Trump and Trump de arrangement
syndrome might think has a traction and there is a
credible notion to it. In the same way we could
say about other.

Speaker 5 (02:07:15):
Celebrities, and.

Speaker 36 (02:07:19):
Taylor Swift would be a good example. People get so
consumed with it that they lose I think, theirselves, and
that lack of identity I think has remarkable repercussions on
the Republic because when we're trying to do that, we're
not focusing on I would argue what matters.

Speaker 5 (02:07:37):
Well.

Speaker 8 (02:07:37):
I have friends one in particular, where I could say, oh,
the Yankees lost last night, and he'll say something about
Trump in response. It'll weave it in there in almost
like an astonishingly psychopathic creative way, and it just destroys
the conversation because I'm like, oh, really, I wasn't talking
about Donald Trump, but that's all you can seem to

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talk about. What should my response be?

Speaker 36 (02:08:05):
I think in terms of I think a good response
to that would be something like, why is it that
we always have to bring everything back to Donald Trump?
There's a lot of other things, you know, why are
you so limited by the concept of Donald Trump? Because
I think a gentle confrontation would be a very therapeutic
approach there.

Speaker 8 (02:08:25):
If that would be you know what I think they
might say in response, you don't realize how serious this is.
He's destroying the America. That's what they'll say, I believe, and.

Speaker 36 (02:08:36):
That my mind would open the door then to a
very interesting conversation about why they feel that way, and
then a dialectic, if you will, between the two.

Speaker 8 (02:08:47):
I think what we'll do is we'll just send them
your book, Kurt Warner's book False Idols, How Diversion is
Destroying Democracy. Thank you for the warning.

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Homeland Security Secretary Christy Nome is the latest target on
South Park. The satirical cartoon has been taking aim at
the Trump administration in its new season that debuted last month.
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Episode two aired Wednesday and.

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It went on for three hours with people commenting and.

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It was a long meeting, but a good meeting. There
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To do it.

Speaker 8 (02:16:42):
Speaking of expertise, how do you form your opinions? Do
you use social media influencers? When you see something on
a TikTok or whatever, you do take it as faith
take it as gospel. Well. Starting in October in the
Arab Emirates, social media influencers will need a government permit

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before they can post promotional content. Interesting new regulations to
formalize the industry. Some people say it's a positive step
that could actually accelerate payments from big companies to the
individual creators because they are regulated and because they have

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government permits streamline taxation and the administrative process. Saudi Arabia
mandates a four thousand dollars fee for a three year
influencer license, and other Gulf countries are going to do
the same. I don't know if that could happen here.

(02:17:49):
I don't know if it flies in the face of
free speech. Interesting, we're in a brave new world. Some
of the things that influence I read in the Sundayreads
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I know.

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You can see them too mcneelee dot com every Sunday.
In a regular roundup of thought provoking reads that made
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you know for sure that just ain't so. So that

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definitely speaks to the influencers. There doesn't it. Some of
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Speaker 12 (02:18:47):
Right.

Speaker 8 (02:18:49):
America's had a tipping point. We don't trust our government,
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used forced labor in running the scams. The app has
also put out new anti scam measures in place to
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(02:20:18):
Apple is going to invest six hundred billion dollars in
the US. Trump was joined by Apple CEO Tim Cook
at the White House on Wednesday for the announcement, where
he added the investment will happen over the next four years.

Speaker 23 (02:20:28):
That's one hundred billion dollars more than they were originally
going to invest.

Speaker 22 (02:20:33):
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Happy Thursday.

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This morning, and here's what we're talking about in the
office today. All eyes are on the initial job as
claims numbers that will come out at eight thirty am
Eastern Standard time. These figures always matter to Wall Street
as investors use them to gaze the health of the
job market and the broader economy. Are we still seeing
job growth or are layoffs picking up? Also, Donald Trump

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said he would impose a one hundred percent tear off
on any company that doesn't manufacturing is semiconductor chips here
in the US He added that company he's building chips
domestically won't face any charge at all. Apple has decided
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Stay tuned and find out it's MPs through the AT
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Speaker 22 (02:24:02):
I'm Mark Mayfield. President Trump's sweeping tariff slate went into
effect just after midnight Eastern time. Impoor taxes will reach
levels not seen in the country in almost one hundred years,
with over sixty countries and the European Union facing rates
of fifteen percent or more. A wide variety of products
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In a post on truth Social just after things went
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flowing into the US. President Trump says Apple is going
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investment will happen over the next four years.

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Is that's one hundred billion dollars more than they were
originally going to invest.

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Part of the investment includes new facilities in Texas, Arizona, Utah,
and New York. President Trump says a suspect who allegedly
shot five soldiers at Fort Stewart and Georgia Wednesday is
a horrible person. Speaking from the White House on Wednesday,
Trump added that the entire nation is praying for the
victims and their families. The President said the suspect, Sergeant
Cornelius Radford, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of

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the law. All the soldiers who were shot are expected
to recover, and Radford has been arrested. Jock Osborne, the
son of Ozzy Osbourne, is breaking a silence on the
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Late Black Sabbath singer, died on July twenty second due
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The Department of Health and Human Services is caling nearly
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twenty sixth, and then the schedule goes on through the
end of August in Saginaw and Luddington and Papa my
favorite city in the States, and then of course Sterling

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Heights in the Detroit area too for tickets and all
things nuge Ted Nugent dot com. Ted Nugent is back
on our radio stage right now. Thank you for being
here and welcome back to the program, and welcome back
to Michigan.

Speaker 26 (02:28:55):
Well, thank you very much, Michael. I feel like my
birth state is sacred ground, so thank you for having
me on the Michigan Big Show. My life is a
Michigan Big Show.

Speaker 8 (02:29:03):
By the way, that is clear and perhaps even oversized.
One might say, and I read your op ed, but
I have to say, it's much more fun to listen
to the testimony you gave at the State of Michigan
than to read it on the paper.

Speaker 26 (02:29:20):
Well, I'm a truth logic common sense Guy. I was
born in Detroit nineteen forty eight, when it was considered
worldwide the work epicenter of the world, certainly the arsenal
of democracy, where goodwill and decency and neighborliness and conscientiousness,
sitting good over evil was the battle cry of the
American dream. And it still is. I could be spoiled.

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Between my band and my family and my crew and
my hunting buddies and everybody I hang around with. That
work ethic is still alive and well, even more intense,
I believe today. But when I see the bureaucrats literally
chipping away, and of course in Michigan now we're laughed
across the country is like a suburb of San Francisco politically,
and so I fight fight for God, family, country, law

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and order, work, ethic, constitution, build a rights, tenk commandments,
gold to rule, you know, all that radical stuff. Michael,
I'm still radical.

Speaker 8 (02:30:11):
Well, we played your testimony on the radio on thirteen
stations across the state of Michigan, and I'm now reading
that it was radical of you to be armed when
you went to that testimony that seemed to get people
cranked up. Were you packing.

Speaker 26 (02:30:26):
Well, you know, I got this funny instinct. Actually, it's
rather effervescent masculinity freedom instinct, where I have a first
amendment whether somebody hands me a piece of paper or not,
and I have a second amendment, it's an individual right
from God to keep and bear arms. So call me radical,
call me extreme, but call me armed.

Speaker 8 (02:30:48):
Well that I take that as a yes.

Speaker 26 (02:30:50):
And you called the people you were, well, you know
I value I value my precious gift of life. I'm
seventy seven years clean and sober, and if you met
my wife and my kids and my grandkids, I have
an intellectual, moral, and spiritual obligation to get home at night. Now,
with engineered recidivism and the celebration of crime, I'm ready

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to defend my precious gift of life. So unarmed and
helpless is really a foolish and irresponsible decision to make.
I've never made that mistake.

Speaker 8 (02:31:20):
They didn't much like it when you called them insane.
They said it was insulting.

Speaker 26 (02:31:26):
Well, isn't that amazing typical bureaucracy. When I'm conveying heart
felt and heartbreaking testimony from people who stop Schamaine and
I everywhere we go with just tragic stories of abusive
power by game wards enforcing immoral laws. Just literally, it's
not a disagreement to shoot a ribbi in the sky,

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a federal migratory game bird, the san hill crane, which
is overpopulated by any measure. In the great state of Michigan.
The farmers are losing tens of millions of dollars in
agriculture every year to samuel cranes. And these numb nuts
won't open the season. But if they give you a
piece of paper, you can kill a ribbi in the sky.

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But the law forbids you to consume it. That, Michael,
is the definition of insanity and I don't play that game.

Speaker 8 (02:32:17):
What does that sand hill crane taste like? I know
you said, Rabbi in the sky? Is that accurate?

Speaker 5 (02:32:23):
It is accurate?

Speaker 26 (02:32:24):
I mean again, Michigan produces more sand hill cranes than
most of the states that have open seasons. What kind
of fools would be in a room identify the waste
of agriculture and the tax dollar waste reimbursing farmers, and no,
damn well, that sand hill cranes are at an all

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time population and notably overpopulation, and they won't open the season.
I mean that. I don't know what makes these people think,
but they're wrong. I find it absolutely abhorrent that you
can kill a sandhill crane with a piece of paper
issued by the DNR, but you're forbidden to consume a

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ribbine the sky. They're delicious. It's a precious natural resource,
a renewable resource. And every state has laws against wrotten waste,
which is again so unethical to just kill something and
leave it to rotten the field.

Speaker 17 (02:33:23):
That's the law in Michigan.

Speaker 26 (02:33:26):
You just got to be kidney. I'm not putting up
with it.

Speaker 8 (02:33:30):
I was intrigued too to read about what you call
the real world healing powers of nature. That was powerful
to me.

Speaker 26 (02:33:39):
It is powerful. I think people are waking up to
what the conservation hunting, fishing, trapping, outdoors, farming, ranching, real grounded,
down to earth families have always known, and what Fred
Behar quoted the Great, the great visionary. I was born
in Pennsylvania, but came to Michigan at an early age
to create bear archery and the mystical flight of the

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martial arts fo lifestyle. In bow hunting, nature cleanses the
soul again. I'm an old, crazy, wild rocker. Nobody's wilder
than I am, nobody's crazier than I am.

Speaker 6 (02:34:15):
But I am down to earth and grounded because I
have never missed a hunting season. And you learn to
revere our moral obligation as resource stewards. And when that
sun comes up in the deer blind or the duck
blind and you've got family and friends and your loving
dogs next year, it is perfection personified. And that's why

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I've been clean and sober all my life, because I
don't want to fog those magic moments with my brothers
and sisters, my wife, my kids, and my grandkids in
the great outdoors. And that really is a powerful pulse
in the conservation families of Michigan. And the director of
the Natural Resource a Commission was insulted that I conveyed

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stories from these families. That's insulting.

Speaker 26 (02:35:03):
He should be ashamed of himself.

Speaker 8 (02:35:06):
I'm reading a story in the last minute that we
have of a hunter fifty two years old who was
gored to death by a black death buffalo three thousand
pounder he was trying to kill on a ten thousand
dollars safari. Sometimes the animals win.

Speaker 26 (02:35:21):
Well, yeah, that's the challenge. That's why it's called a sport.
Some of these animals are dangerous. I've hunted kpe buffalo
and elephants in Africa. And those people who live with
the elephants and the cape buffalo, and the lions, and
the leopards and the grizzly bears and the polar bears,
those are the people that should make the decisions, like
our great Michigani acts up in the Upper Peninsula, living

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with the overpopulated wolves that are destroying the deer herd,
killing pets, killing hunting dogs.

Speaker 8 (02:35:49):
God bless you and thank you for your madness and
your passion. Ted Nugent see him in Michigan, hear him here.
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(02:36:12):
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insurance costs.