Ep. 3369: Monday starring Michael Patrick Shiels

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
To the Michigan's most engaging and influential radio and television program,
Michigan's Big Show starring Michael Patrick Shields, presented by Blue Cross,
Blue Shield of Michigan and Blue Care Network.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm producer and creative director Tony Cuthberts.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Now in the shadow of the Capitol Dome and Lansing.
He's heard from the beaches of Lake Michigan, to the
halls of power and behind closed doors. Here's Michigan's Michael
Patrick Shields.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Michael Patrick Shields is on the air.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Good morning World, Good morning Michigan. I'm Kyle Mallin, editor
of Murr's newsletter, filling in for Michael Patrick today. It
is Monday, October sixth. Good morning, and gosh did we
have a fun weekend of sports. If you are not
a sports fan, then you missed out on some good material.
Lions were victorious. They are now four and one. The

(00:54):
Tigers one to one, lost one in Seattle. But god,
they were both great games. Did you stay up and
watch those games, Tony?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I watched the one on Saturday night last night. I
did have to check out, but I woke up numerous
times during the night to check my phone, and unfortunately
the two am wake up and I was like looking
at the phone and saw the final score.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
That was another great game, though, I tell you, the
stars shined very brightly for the Seattle Mariners. The big
Dumper as they call him, cal Raley, Colly, him and
Julio Rodriguez. I think they're the only people on the
Mariners who can hit the ball, but they hit the
ball very well. In the eighth inning, cal Raley laced

(01:35):
the double and then Julio Rodriguez followed that up with
another double, and that was all. It took three to
two Seattle. And then that Munosk guy who's the closer
for Seattle, he throws some nasty stuff. That ball. It
just seems to like wiggle in the air before it
gets to the catcher's mid the craziest stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
The preference would be not to see him the rest
of the series, if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Well, or just wear him out, I guess ye, you know,
and then you know, just wear that bullpen out so
by you know, later in the series they can finally
hit him, because he was he's been unhittable these last
two games. So anyway, the series goes back to Detroit
now Tuesday, right Tony this.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Tuesday, and I think it's around four o'clock, so we
don't have to stay up to the wee hours of
the morning to watch these West Coast baseball games.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
It's a five game series, so if the Tigers win
both games at Comerica, then they win the series. But
if they don't, you know, Seattle wins both in Seattle
wins the series, and if they split, it goes back
to Seattle for decisive Game five. So we'll keep an
eye on that. And then also we had the Detroit
Lions looking really good. The score was thirty seven to

(02:44):
twenty four, but I'm not quite sure it was as
even competitive as that.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
That game was never in doubt yesterday. There were you
could tell the Lions got that lead and they were
just like, eh, let's just take the foot off the
gas of Tad and the Bengals made some slot plays
and got some touchdown. I guess give them some credit.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
That Jamal Jamar Chase for Cincinnati. He had some spectacular catches,
including that one where he was triple covered in the
end zone and then somehow kept his feet in bounds
before he fell out. I mean, if you haven't seen
the clip on that, that was crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's a work of art Jamar Chase and the perfect
toe drag. If you were going to draw it up,
that's how you would do it in a good pass.
It's the only good pass Jake Browning had basically the
whole game.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
The Cincinnati Bengals are without their regular starting quarterback and
since he went down, they have really tanked and been
very disappointing for the Cincinnati Bengals. If you care about that.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Tank to the point where basically the crowd was I
would say sixty forty lion yesterday. The Bengal fans have
just unloaded their tickets and made a profit off of
Lions fans and they showed up.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Well, you can't get a ticket at Ford Field, or
if it was, if it's cheaper to drive it Cincinnati,
it is.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
I've heard stories where some of these fans are flying.
I think the line have a game against the Chargers
maybe or maybe the Rams out at Sofi Stadium, and
if you add up even the airfare and the hotel,
it's still cheaper than going to a Lions game here
at Ford Field.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
God who thought? Who would have ever thought that, Like,
let's say, I don't even seven years.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Ago, it's no chance I give them away.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, I couldn't give them away to go see the Lions.
And now you got to back up the truck and
unload in order to to get them. Hey, so did
you listen to the new Taylor Swift album over the weekend?
Tony Cuthbert, I missed that one. Taylor Swift is dominating
the music in the movie charts. Her latest album, The

(04:37):
Life of a show Girl, has now sold two point
seven million copies on its first day of release. I
don't know who buys albums anymore, though. If you got
Apple's iTunes, you just listen to it.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
It's the vinyl craze. People love to have the vinyl
albums and throw them on I'm sure, well you, I
mean you, you're part of a Taylor Swift thing, because
I remember you've you went to the concert kind of
not real when it was in downtown Detroit.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
My family went. I went across the street Nico America
and watched the Tigers in the and the Diamondbacks that day.
But my daughter is a huge swiftye fan. We listened
to her album on the way back from a cross
country meet on Saturday. So I've listened to it a
couple of times. There's a there's a song or two
on there that I like. It's a little the album's

(05:23):
a little raunchier. Whoa, yeah, it's kind of weird, Like
none of Taylor Swift's albums are as like, I don't know,
I don't know it's racy as I guess this one is.
And it's not even really racy. It's a little raunchy.
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I'll just take your word for it. I'll never hear
any of it.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Well yeah, okay, well I'm just telling you that's what
it is. Now let's see here, it's become the most
streamed album in a single day in the year twenty
twenty five. Now here's a quick story too. So one
of my reporters at MRS is a huge Taylor Swift fan,
all right, and one of her one of the colleagues
another remember the Press Corps, also as a huge Taylor

(06:02):
Swift fan. And of course that album was being released
on Thursday night, oh Friday morning. You know where this
is going, all right? Now, It just so happens that
they both cover the state House and the State House
went all through the night Thursday night Friday morning in
order to finally pass a state budget. So they were prepared,

(06:25):
and they both wore Taylor Swift garb underneath their like jackets,
you know, their professional jackets. So she had, like Maggie
is her name, she had a a Taylor Swift I
can't even remember what it said, but it was a
Taylor Swift kind of concert t shirt kind of thing
underneath her professional jacket. And so when noon rolled around

(06:45):
and all the lawmakers are like gabbling back into session,
her and her colleague were like hitting the upload button
so that they got all listen to the Taylor's Swift
album while we were all sitting around like we all do,
waiting to hear the album. And so by, So when
I saw her again at like two in the morning,

(07:06):
she'd already listened to the album twice, already had favorite
songs and actually it started taking notes on some of
the lyrics.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Wow, this is serious business.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Serious. It was like super hardcore. So you know, I
didn't feel bad having her work that day because she
was going to be up anyway. It says she might
as well babysit the State house while she's you know,
download the new Taylor Swift album. This new song that's
on the album, Ophelia, became the most streamed song in

(07:38):
a single day on the Spotify platform history. Think about that,
the most stream song in a single day in streaming
platform's history. Ophelia. It's already brought in. And then they
had a movie to boot. The official release party topped
the weekend box office, bringing in thirty million dollars. I'm

(08:01):
surprised my daughter didn't want to go to that, but
we didn't end up going to that. Oh and then
you mentioned the vinyl. I saw the vinyl at Target yesterday.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Is it a Target exclusive?

Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I got you.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Those vinyls were going for forty five bucks. You know
what's funny about those new vinyls too, is that they're
not like the old black vinyls that I used to
get in the eighties and the seventies. I try and
play them on my record player, those new heavy vinyls,
and they won't play. It's all distorted and stuff. I
got to buy a new record player so I can
play these new vinyls.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
This is an investment.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
It's an investment, man.

Speaker 6 (08:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
So we didn't get it, even though the albums were
kind of cool. Maybe that's a birthday present. We'll see
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Speaker 9 (10:53):
Taylor Swift is dominating the music and movie charts. Her
latest album, The Life of a show Girl, so two
points a million copies on its first save release on Friday.
It also became Spotify's most streamed album in a single
day in twenty twenty five. On top of that, the
song Ophelia became the most stream song in a single
day in the streaming platform's history. Meanwhile, Taylor Swift The

(11:16):
official release party of a show Girl topped this weekend's
box office, bringing in thirty three million dollars. And Swift
isn't done yet. She announced four new versions of the album,
each with two special acoustic versions of songs that she
sold online over the weekend. Sabrina Carpenter's first weekend headlining

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in the Austin City Limits Music Festival is in the books.
She tops Saturday's bill performing her biggest hits like Espresso, Manchild,
and Juno. She also had a special surprise for fans,
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Speaker 4 (12:30):
The must sum sum standing, no misunderstanding. This morning, it's
Michigan's Big Show starring Michael Patrick Shields. I'm Kyle Malin,
editor of the Murrs newsletter, filling in for Michael Patrick.
Had a real long week last week covering state government
and politics. We had the final crafting of Michigan government's

(12:53):
state budget, which was done at oh, I guess the
governor finally signed it at for the morning on Friday,
after the or she signed a continuation budget earlier in
the week, and then the the legislature finally passed the
final product at like I don't know, I guess two

(13:13):
or four in the morning. So this is so, here's
a funny story. This is this is something that folks,
folks can relate to. So I finished, I finished watching
the Final House vote on a Friday, and it was
it was like, I don't know, or Thursday, like four
in the morning, and I'm walking blurry eyed to my

(13:33):
car and you know, the key fob on my car
hadn't been working like it wasn't it wasn't being very regular,
like I'd have to press it a few times before
it would finally unlock my door.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Battery issue.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, well, as I found out later, it was a
connection issue. But I get out there and the thing
won't open, and I press it again and it won't open,
and again and again and again. So then you know what,
you have an app on your phone. I don't know
if you do, but I do in my car where
I can unlock my doors on the app that no go.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
No, what what do we got going on?

Speaker 4 (14:06):
I have no idea, Like I tried it again and again.
So I'm just standing out there, you know, four in
the morning. I'm thinking of the old night Ranger song
because I've been listening to Night Ranger and I'm trying
to click on this on my key fob and the
other thing won't work. And luckily I only live a
mile away from the capitol. So Maggie, I talked about
the last segment, Who's the huge Swifty. She came out

(14:28):
of the Capitol. She had to drive me home, and
then I went back to my car and had to
get had to like rummage through my wife's purse at
you know, four fifteen in the morning, hoping I didn't
wake her up. Found found her key fob and her purse,
which was amazing, you know, because a guy getting into
his wife's purse. I mean, that's like the no go zone,
right look right Like I was like, yeah, exactly. It

(14:49):
was like mission impossible. I was like, how do I
do this? So I don't wake my wife up, so
I can get the key fob, so I can go
back to my car and and you know, get it
out of its spot. Because at this point I'm like,
well I got it, take it in now. You know,
my brakes are squealing, and so I had to take
it in anyway, so I was able to get back
to my car drive it back. So instead of getting

(15:12):
to bed like when I wanted to, it ended up
being like five thirty and then you know, seven o'clock
wake up to take the kids to.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Oh my goodness, it's gracious.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
And then after that the car went immediately to the
dealership and I'm like, I need, I need a new
key fob here. This thing is done dead. But it
wasn't a battery issue. Apparently it was a connection issue.
And then you know, the brakes are going to take
a long time. But nobody cares about that.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Oh it's a rambling wreck. It's a beautiful car, and
it's got things going on left and right.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Oh my gosh. So that was on top of the
actual news that happened from the state budget. One of
the big line items has been discussion about the eighteen
hundred full time jobs that were eliminated in the state budget,
and so we tried to drill down on that Friday.
We called the state departments and they steered us over

(16:04):
to the budget director, who insisted that there are no
layoffs in the state budget, even though eighteen hundred positions
within state government were eliminated. So you may ask yourself,
so how does that even happen? So you've got a
state government of I don't know, thirty five thousand employees
something like that, but they were able to cut eighteen

(16:26):
hundred positions and not lay anybody off, right, So how
does that happen?

Speaker 11 (16:33):
Now?

Speaker 4 (16:33):
You know, I might not have fuzzy math like Michael
patrick Man's practicing fuzzy math again, but you know I
could still you know, I'm a little better than that,
but I can still like think, no, wait a minute,
thirty three thousand minus eighteen hundred. I mean, how do
you have that many jobs like laying around state government?
And some of these are like they kind of fall
into a couple buckets, Like there are the jobs that

(16:57):
are empty right now that are vacant that they they
are going to fill that they're posting, they're looking for people,
and they're just not going to hire them, Like at
the Department of Corrections. You know, the Department of Corrections
has like this goal of how many officers they want
inside the prisons, but they can't hire them fast enough

(17:17):
because finding people to work in the prisons is very difficult,
finding people who are qualified and finding people who actually
want to be in there to oversee the prisoners. It's
very difficult. So they have like a huge gap in
the number of full time employees because that's it's like
they're ideal, but they can't get to it because you know,

(17:39):
they can only graduate, like I don't know one hundred
or so corrections officers and a lot of time. In
a lot of cases, that's just enough to take care
of the folks who are going out the door because
they're either retiring or the job just ain't for them.
So they're basically just treading water over at the Department
of Corrections, so that it's like several hundred of the jobs.

(18:02):
And then you get over to the Department of Health
and Human Services, which is the biggest department in state government,
and it's kind of the same thing. But with them
and then other state departments as well, they've had they've
like historically have had like a large number of employees
on the books, and then they will they would like

(18:24):
keep the positions kind of in abeyance just in case
they need them later, kind of like the Department of Corrections.
But the Department of Corrections, they're actually trying to fill
the jobs. They just can't. They just couldn't do it
fast enough. But in other parts of state government they
just keep them just because they're like, I don't want
to call them legacy, but you know, at another time

(18:45):
when state government was bigger, and it was bigger, like
administratively long ago, they did have these positions filled and
you know, in a super perfect world, we would fill
them again, but they don't really have any intention of
doing it immediately. So the State House went through and
they found all these these jobs and they're just like, nope,

(19:06):
we're going to cut these things. This thing, this is
going to end right now. So they negotiated the number
of jobs that they were going to eliminate out of
state government in a way that the governor could say,
we are not laying off a single employee because that
was like a that was like the no go zone
for her. And so that's what they came up with.
So that's where this entire phantom job's phrase came from.

(19:31):
That the speaker, Matt Hall came up with phantom jobs,
and so they eliminated eighteen hundred of them. I don't
know it really saves any money out of the budget,
but it certainly looks good. In a press release, a
listen a Michigan's Big Show starring Michael Patrick Shields. I'm
Kyle Malin coming back at you after this.

Speaker 12 (19:50):
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You are listening to Michigan's Big Show starring Michael Patrick
shields In today. For MPs, it is Kyle Malin of
Murrs News. The opening bell rings this morning after stocks
close mixed on Friday to close out the trading week.
The three major indexes hit all time highs earlier in
the session, while the Dow Jones Industrial Average and SMP

(21:18):
five hundred both closed at record highs. Declines in Tesla
and the video weigh on markets as the Senate rejected
bills aimed at ending the government shutdown. At the closing bell,
the Dow gained two hundred and thirty eight points to
forty six seven fifty eight, the SMP five hundred rose
fraction of a point two sixty seven to fifteen, and
the Nasdaq lost sixty three points to twenty two seven eighty.

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Coming up in the business week ahead, the ongoing government
shutdown will play a role in the data that's released.
The latest reading on the US trade deficit will normally
come out on Tuesday, but that's being delayed. Minutes from
the Federal Reserve September meeting will be released the following day.
The minutes provide critical insight into the central banks thinking

(22:04):
on interest rates, but they're not considered official economic data,
so they should come out as normal. Thursday's weekly jobless
claims will be held back without resolution of the shutdown,
but investors will hear from FED Chair Jerome Powell as
he delivers remarks to a banking conference in the Sea.
The week wraps up with consumer sentiment data on Friday

(22:27):
that is released through the University of Michigan, so the
shutdown will not affect any of that As far as
earnings go, things are relatively quiet today as we await
quarter through reporting coming up this month. Noteworthy this week, however,
our Delta Airlines and Pepsi both do to announce results
on Thursday. National Economic Director Kevin Hassett confirms layoffs could

(22:53):
be on the horizon amid the ongoing government shutdown. During
an appearance on CNN State of the Union has It
said the decision could be forced if talks continue to stall.
Ast called on Democratic lawmakers to show leadership and make
a deal to end the shutdown. Is comments come as
President Trump has already promised federal layoffs and said he

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would use the shutdown to decide which Democratic agencies to close.
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INVC News Radio. I'm Markmeyfield. Secretary of State Marco Rubio
says speed is paramount when it comes to it. To
end the war in Gaza. Appearing on ABC's This Week,
Rubio said, this is not something that can continue to
drag out.

Speaker 13 (24:07):
We cannot be here three weeks from now still discussing
the logistics of how hostages are going to be released.
That has to happen very quickly in order for the
rest of this deal to gain momentum.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
His comments coming as President Trump is sending special envoys
to the Middle East to try and seal his hostage
release deal. Both Israel and Hamas have indicated support for
the proposal, but with conditions that still need to be negotiated.
In a weekend post, Trump said, when Israel has agreed
to the initial withdrawal line that was shared with Hamas,
Trump added, the Sea Square will be immediately effective and
the hostage exchange can begin. A federal judge has issued

(24:40):
a temporary injunction blocking all National Guard troops from being
used to protect federal buildings in Portland. It's the same
judge who ruled Saturday that Oregon National Guard troops couldn't
be used in Portland when President Trump ordered California Guard
troops to deploy in Portland. Oregon filed an amended motion
for a temporary restraining order and the judge approved it.
This would also cover Texas Nation of our Troops called

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up by the President. Rite eight has officially closed all
of its stores, bringing an end to more than sixty
years in business.

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Tammy true Heio has details.

Speaker 15 (25:08):
The pharmacy chain confirmed the closure in a statement on
its website, thanking its loyal customers for their many years
of support. Write eight has struggled financially in recent years.
The company filed for bankruptcy protection May, just eight months
after emerging from a previous Chapter eleven filing in September
of twenty twenty four. The company, at that time operated
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(25:30):
I'm Tammy Triheo.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
And South Carolina State University's campus remained on lockdown Sunday afternoon,
and today's classes are canceled after two separate shootings during
the university's homecoming celebrations Polis. One person was killed and
two were injured in a pair of unrelated shootings. You
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Meta ai will mind chatbook conversations to determine which ads
and recommendations show up in your feed. While users won't
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the UK, South Korea, in the EU, at least initially.
Experts have raised concerns about Meta ai safeguarding for minors
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Speaker 6 (26:23):
Free speech and police safety debates are flaring up after
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Speaker 4 (27:01):
Welcome back to Michigan's Big Show starring Michael Patrick Shields.
I'm Kyle Mallin, editor of the Murrs newsletter, filling in
for Michael Patrick, with Tony Cuthbert on the other side
of the glass. I did stay up last night to
watch the end of that Seattle Mariners Detroit Tigers game.
Seattle won three to two in the eighth inning with

(27:22):
a with back to back doubles off Kyle Finnegan, whose
name I'm a big fan of since I'm a Kyle
two and my son's name is Finnegan. But fin again
is not joining us this morning, and staid, we're gonna
have Larry Sorenson, a friend of the show, join us
to kind of break down where the Tigers are right now.
Good morning. How are you doing, Larry.

Speaker 17 (27:43):
I'm doing just fine. Kyle.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Nice to be with you. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, he is with www dot pitch logic dot com.
And I know he's talked about that service on this
show before. But let's talk a little bit about that
game last night. Did you stay up and watch the
end of that thing?

Speaker 17 (28:01):
I got through to Torquilsen's double to tie it up,
and I had been in North Carolina. I did the
North Caro the Wake Forest University and Virginia Tech football
game on Saturday, So at a six am flight on
Sunday and I ran out of gas on my seventieth birthday.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
Oh my goodness, I got a little bit, just got.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
A little bit late.

Speaker 17 (28:22):
But it was a great game, and Tiger's bullpen just
couldn't quite get the job done for an ending or
two to give the offense a chance.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Boy, those have been some really compelling games though, the
Saturday night game and the Sunday night game.

Speaker 17 (28:37):
Well, even all the way down the stretch, the Tigers
played in a lot of very very close games, and
it was games that during their bad stretch leading up
to they had a lot of them and they managed
to win them. They just came up a little short
last night. But you know, it's an interesting situation with
their bullpen pitching by chaos, and everybody has to be
ready because you never know when you're going to be used.

(28:58):
And unfortunately for Finnegan, and that's a great story about
your son's name, unfortunately for Fittigan, he came up a
little bit short. He struggled some down the stretch with
an injury, and he just couldn't get it done last night.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Well, you know, Seattle's best hitters came up and got
to him. I mean when you got Cal Rowley and
then Julio Rodriguez back to back. Those guys been fantastic
all year. I mean, cal Raley's had just an amazing
season and he has not stopped hitting in the postseason.

Speaker 18 (29:28):
No.

Speaker 17 (29:28):
And really, that's one of the things that I love
about baseball is you get the stories like that with
the guy that absolutely comes out of nowhere to put
up a season like that and will he sustain it?

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Who knows?

Speaker 17 (29:39):
You know that'll be that'll be a story to follow.
But you look at him, or you look at a
guy like treyy Sevage with Toronto who comes out of
nowhere at twenty two years old and strikes out eleven
in a playoff game, and those are the great stories
that baseball produces. And we always say that your stars
have to be stars under the bright lights, and yet
we see guys that come out of nowhere that take

(30:03):
over a series and become the one name that everybody's
talking about on Mondays.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Yeah, did you watch any of that Blue Jays New
York Yankees series.

Speaker 19 (30:13):
I saw some of it.

Speaker 17 (30:14):
I saw a little bit of it. It's been a
weekend on the road. But it's a great series between
two teams and really different cities. You know, different takes
on baseball in those two different in those two cities,
which is interesting.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, talk about that because in New York it is
I mean, the Yankees are like a very dominant, in
your face kind of franchise where everybody's talking about it,
everyone's got an opinion on it. And then you go
to Toronto and it's just a way more laid back atmosphere
because hockey's the big sport up there.

Speaker 17 (30:47):
They're very polite in Toronto, but you know, they love
their base on They make a lot of noise. They
know how to make noise because hockey fans know how
to make noise.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
For sure.

Speaker 17 (30:55):
New York gets a religion and they treat it as such.

Speaker 20 (30:58):
In are avid and.

Speaker 17 (30:59):
There's no margin forreer in Yankee Stadium anytime that you
go there with and play for the Yankees, there is
zero margin for error and you're always under the spotlight.
So a difference in attitude. You just expected to perform
at a very high level all the time.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
In New York.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Toronto, Kyle, they just are bringing out the bats. Thirteen
to seven yesterday they beat the New York Yankees, and
then Saturday was a big game too, ten to one,
a double digit run scores back to back in the playoffs.
I don't know if that's just because they're playing in
Toronto or what, but they're crushing it right now.

Speaker 17 (31:36):
Yeah, I'm going to reach out to Buck Martinez, their broadcaster,
who is my catcher when I was with the Brewers,
best catcher I ever threw to. And he's their broadcaster
and spend their manager in a long time, and he
gives the real inside scoopy folks want to learn some
baseball while you're watching the game, which is what I
always try to do when I'm watching the game on

(31:56):
TV or listening on radio. Buck Martinez is a guy
that check out because he does a great job. And
they really did break out the bats. That place can
get raucous, that can really get rolling in there when
they get on a good hot streak, and so I'm
sure that it was crazy up there as runs were
rounding the bases.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
We have the Brewers and the Cubs playing this afternoon,
and then the Dodgers and the Phillies also today. Any
thoughts on either of those games.

Speaker 17 (32:25):
Brewers tubs two of my old teams. Somebody said you
must be cheering for the Brewers. I said, well, I
played for the cub too, so I really can't go
wrong in that one. You know, that's been a big
rivalry for a long time. So close to each other
that fans can commute.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
It's a great place.

Speaker 17 (32:40):
Either spot is a great place to watch the game.
Being in Milwaukee, you got to give the slight edge
to them to try to pick off win number two
because that ballpark can get going in the fans will
be ready for that one as well. So I'm going
to go with the brew crew in that one.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Larry Sorenson's our guest. He's with pitch line Com and
he also does some broadcasting for college football. Tell us
about the game that you did this weekend.

Speaker 17 (33:06):
And actually it was up in up of Virginia Tech,
and that you know they play Sandman when the team
comes running out. It's one of the great, great, and
maybe not as well known venues to watch a game
as you'll find, because the crowd is leaning and tilting
and jumping, and they've got a lot of traditions. The
team is down a little bit, but they have a
new head coach. Their head coach got fired three games in,

(33:29):
so they were eight and a half point favorites. Way
Fourth upset them. I've been doing Way Fourth for nine
years now in football, and also has a new coach,
Jake Dickarck, came over from Washington State, so they're kind
of finding their way through. College football is a black
I did the sidelines for Michigan with Frank Beckman for
a number of years up in Ann Arbor, where I

(33:50):
went to school, So college football gets in your blood
just like baseball does. And it's a great time of
year when you've got college football and baseball playoffs going
on at the same time.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Bill Belichick is new to the scene, though, but he's
not having as good of a time I think as
probably they're having in wake Forest right now.

Speaker 17 (34:08):
And I haven't heard a lot of sympathy for him,
either as you talk to people around conference or that
you talk to people across the country and going to
play different teams. It's an odd situation. I think it's
a short term situation. I don't think it was a
good fix, and I think it's going to end very badly.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yeah, it certainly doesn't look very good for the tar
Heels over there in North Carolina. But congratulations to your
Wake Forest demon Deakins for pulling out a victory over
there against Virginia Tech. I've never been to Virginia Tech.
I've been to Wake Forest before, but not for a
football game. I went there for a basketball game many

(34:46):
years ago. Very very interesting story on that one. They
were down twenty points in the second half and folks
were starting to leave, and then somehow I came back
and won the game. That's the only thing I remember
about Wake Forest.

Speaker 17 (34:57):
Well, I've had They've had some They've had some great
teams through the year with Duncan, Tim Duncan and with
Chris Paul and some other guys through the years. Football
has been It's been a basketball school traditionally, and Dave
Clawson came in went to seven straight bowl games right
when I started my broadcasting, my football broadcasting, So that
was a lot of fun to go to seven bowl

(35:18):
games in a row. But it's a great academic school.
Small it's the smallest school of the Power sixty four,
only about five and twenty four students, so it's a
tough place academically, and the and the student athletes truly
our student athletes they go to class I can verify that.
So it has been a very interesting ride down there

(35:39):
and a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Well thanks for sharing all that info with us. Larry
Sorenson with pitch Logic dot com. You're listening to Michigan's
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Speaker 4 (38:59):
Welcome back to mes Big Show starring Michael Patrick Shields.
I'm Kyle Malin, editor of the Murrs Newsletter. After a
long week at the state capitol, a couple all nighters
for state government in puting one on Yon Kapor, which
was really interesting, join us now to talk about it
and debrief. James Homan, director of Fiscal policy at the

(39:21):
Macanas Center. Thanks for joining us, James, you were lucky
not having to pull the all nighters with us, I'll
tell you that.

Speaker 20 (39:28):
Yes, yes, And thank you guys for all the coverage.
Thank you for staying up. I know it's a frustrating business,
especially with these kind of deals where there's no news
until you have all of the news.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Yeah. See, that's that's really a strange, a strange dynamic dynamics.
So on Tuesday night Wednesday morning, it was it was
almost entirely just sit around and wait because all the
all the news, all the action was going on behind
closed doors. And then as it got close to midnight,

(40:00):
then they finally decided, well, I guess, I guess we
should probably just do this continuation budget for a week.
But then that didn't get done, and that didn't get
signed until four in the morning on Wednesday, and so
technically the state government did shut down for four hours
even though nothing happened, which was unlike two thousand and seven,

(40:20):
where it was like panic, hair on fire, like oh
my god, we shut government down for four hours, but
it was the exact same thing.

Speaker 20 (40:28):
Yeah, it's strange that that it works.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Huh, Well, what was your takeaway, James? Tell me what?
They finally did pass a final budget Thursday night, Yeam
Kapoor day going into Friday morning. It spends less money
than it did the year before. Does that make it
a win?

Speaker 20 (40:46):
Well, I mean, we'll see how it goes. Because if
you're spending less money because you just didn't have as
much as you'd like to spend, that's not exactly practicing restraint.
And we recommend practicing restraint for a number of reasons.
I mean, things can pop up in a year. There's
some there's some debts that you can pay down if
you spend less now. But I don't know that they

(41:07):
did that. But I mean, look, not ever, and this
this is a practical point for the budget and why
I'm trying to happy with what they came up with.
I mean, no one's going to get everything that they wanted,
but I like a lot of what they came down with.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Give us a couple of things that you really like.
Out of the state budget, they.

Speaker 20 (41:28):
Passed a road deal that mostly spends more on roads
without raising taxes. Counties are going to get about thirty
six percent more than they did last year. Cities and
villages are going to get thirty one percent more than
they got last year. And it's not lawmakers directing them
on specific problems. It's here's some money, fix fixed the

(41:51):
roads that you feel our best. And I think that's
probably going to get us over over replacement levels. Like
the point of I mean, what I wanted from road
funding is not to get to you know, ninety percent
good at or fair within a set time window, but
rather just to see that roads are going to be
put together faster than they fall apart for the foreseeable future.

(42:14):
And I think we're at that point and we did
it mostly without raising taxes.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Now, what's your thoughts on the new wholesale tax on
marijuana that they crafted? Twenty four percent increase on the
wholesale price of marijuana, and so the marijuana industry is
saying you're going to collapse our industry here because people
are going to go to the black market.

Speaker 20 (42:36):
Yeah, it's going to be worth checking out. I think
the benefits of legalization is that everything is above board
and that lawmakers get to at least see and regulate
the market that we have, and we lose those benefits
if you drive everything underground through punitive taxes. Is that

(42:56):
the case or is this just you know, an industry
that doesn't wan on a faced punit of taxes, which
no one should. But and so like, I don't know
that that their rates that there that they're going to
be assessing is enough to drive drive everything through on
regulated markets. But we'll find out soon, won't we.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Yeah we will. Well, you know what, the syntaxes always
seemed to be a very popular thing for legislators just
in general to go after. I remember the two dollars
increase on cigarettes back in the day. Gaming is always
a popular thing to tax. I remember that the the
tax on the Big three Detroit casinos went up one

(43:40):
time in order to pay for for state government. So
this isn't so going after the syntaxes is kind of
the low hanging fruit. If you're going to vote for
a tax increase and be a Republican.

Speaker 20 (43:53):
Yeah, which is kind of weird because we still have
pretty low beer and wing taxes. Not to give lawmaker
ideas on how to take more from taxpayers, but you know,
if you look back and try to assess, all right,
if we're going to tax vices, what are how should
we do this? That's one that kind of sticks out.
And any same thing with liquor control that at least,

(44:14):
you know, the state used to be in the liquor
control business more than it is right now.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
That beer tax is kind of wild. I mean, that
hasn't been touched in years, and it's like three cents
a bottle or something. I mean, it's super super low, especially.

Speaker 20 (44:28):
When like if you're going to tax devices, it's like
it's it's the alcohol that you're taxing. You can they're
they're measuring that, that's on every bottle, Like you should
probably base your taxes, uh not on based on that
if you're trying to tax device. But that being said,
that's not a conversation I really want to have. I

(44:51):
think the bottom line for this debate was that Democrats.

Speaker 25 (44:55):
Were clear that their price for a deal was a
tax Pike.

Speaker 20 (44:58):
Any tax psych you figure it out, and that's what
they figured out.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Yeah, anything else strike you about this budget, whether it's
the ghost employees I kind of touched on that earlier,
the different earmarks, the transparency they're putting in on these
legislative spending items, which I think we would all call pork,
anything else.

Speaker 20 (45:19):
Yeah, the state operates a program that allows lawmakers to
give whatever business they want, however many dollars they want
to give them in theoretically in exchange for jobs. So far,
this program has spent seven hundred and twenty million dollars
in taxpayer money given that to companies, and those companies

(45:40):
have not created any jobs. It's a poorly structured program.
And part of this budget is to stop putting more
money into this program. I think that's a good idea
that money could could, and should and will go to
better uses in this upcoming budget.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
SORE program, I think is the one you're talking about,
Strategic Outreach and Attraction Reserve Fund basically killed under this budget.
James Holman from the Macinaw Center has been a big
cyneca that program and it is done dead in this budget.
Thanks for bringing that up and thanks for joining us
on the program. James Holman, director of Fiscal Policy at
the Mackinaw Center. You're listening to Michigan's Pig Show.

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There are no more unbeaten teams in the NFL.

Speaker 29 (47:23):
Patriots kicked off fifty two yard field goal with fifteen
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Head coach and Mike rabel on getting the big win.

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A lot of other people and I had crash of
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They had their.

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Opportunity, and players took advantage of that opportunity and beat
a really good football team that hasn't lost here much.

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Patriots improved to three and two, Bills fall to four
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Speaker 2 (48:52):
Well, welcome back to Michigan's Big Show starring Michael Patrick Shields.
In today for MPs, it is Kyle Malinn. Boy, oh boy,
we got a lot of sports to touch on Kyle.
I guess we'll get the Tigers out of the way
because it was not a great night. They did fall
to the Mari Nurse three to two, but it was
a successful trip out wesk if you ask me. Because

(49:13):
the series is tied to a game apiece, it is
a best of five. It's a travel day today. Both
teams back in downtown Detroit tomorrow. Jack Flerty will get
the start for Detroit. He had a good game against
the Guardians. It was Game three that he was on
the mound for and he think you threw five or
six strong innings. So if we can replicate that, maybe
get a win. The other game you did touch on

(49:34):
it was the Blue Jays over the Yankees thirteen to seven.
What is going on in New York when this type
of stuff occurs? But the Yankees lost yesterday, the Jets
lost yesterday, The Giants losh yesterday. Not great. Not great
if you're a fan or at least living in the
Greater New York area. Two games on tap tonight, the
Dodgers at the Phillies and the Cubs take on the Brewers.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Now.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Jared Goff through for two hundred fifty one yards three touchdowns.
The Lions cruise pass the Bengals thirty seven to twenty
four in Cincinnati. David Montgomery, he went home. He ran
for sixty five yards in a score, also threw a
touchdown pass for the Lions, who moved a four and one.
That was their fourth straight win. Up next. This is
gonna be good. It's gonna be another late Sunday night though.

(50:20):
I can tell you that because the Lions will play
play on Sunday Night Football on NBC next weekend, and
they're at Kansas City to take on the Chiefs. Right now,
Casey is favored by one and a half in that game,
and I might bet the house on the Lions, just
throwing that out there.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
The Lions are playing some tough teams. They have the Ravens,
now they're playing the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, this is what happens. I mean, when you are
a division winner, or however the NFL does their schedule,
you're gonna play all the best teams, perceived best teams
coming into the next season. But as you sit there
and look at the schedule before the season starts, you
would have said, geez, Cincinnati's gonna be impossible with Joe Burrow.
The Ravens are a really good team, and we've seen
ever since the Lions played them all the Ravens aren't

(51:02):
that good. They lost yesterday. They got blown out at
home yesterday. Of course, no Lamar Jackson in Cincinnati is
nothing without Joe Burrow. So this perceived Hoff schedule not
so much Sunday Night football. Last night it was the
Patriots beating the Bills twenty three to twenty in Buffalo.
That is an upset. Tonight on Monday Night football, we
do have the Kansas City Chiefs at the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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Oh my goodness, Jacksonville's.

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Monica Nelson explains on the docket will be cases involving
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On Monica Nelson and the New England Patriots took a
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West Coast. It produces about three hundred thousand barrels of
crude oil per day. No one was injured in the
fire or by the explosion. The cause is under investigation.

Speaker 24 (56:18):
Google is investing four billion dollars in Arkansas. The investment
runs through twenty twenty seven and will include the tech
Giants first data center in the state. The data center
will be located in West Memphis. And Taylor Swift's the
official release party of a Showgirl is dominating the box office.

Speaker 27 (56:35):
Her name was Kitty Had the Money being Pitty and Witty.

Speaker 24 (56:39):
It's the film that accompanies her new album, The Life
of a Showgirl. Also doing well in theaters this week
the Smashing Machine starring to Wane, The Rock Johnson, and
One Battle after Another with Leonardo DiCaprio. Sales of Tesla
continue to surge. Here's Bradford.

Speaker 34 (56:54):
The electric car cavity sold more than four hundred and
ninety seven thousand vehicles in the third quarter, beating its
pre vis record. One likely reason for the sales boost
was buyers rushing to buy Tesla's before a seventy five
hundred dollars federal tax credit expired on September thirtieth. The
games were large enough to briefly push CEO Elon Musk's
worth over five hundred billion dollars, making him the first

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person to reach the half trillion dollar mark.

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And iHeartMedia celebrating the holiday season across the country with
its annual iHeartRadio jingle Ball Tour presented by Capital One.

Speaker 28 (57:38):
Tickets are on sale.

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The tour makes stops in Dallas, LA, Chicago, Detroit, Miami,
and Moore in December. I'm Monica Nelson with your consumer
and business news.

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Speaker 29 (57:51):
Patriots kicked off fifty two yard field goal with fifteen
seconds left, beat the Bells twenty three to twenty.

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Head coach and Mike rabel on getting the big win.

Speaker 30 (58:01):
beating them here for fourteen games. They had their opportunity,
and players took advantage of that opportunity and beat a
really good football team that hasn't lost here much.

Speaker 29 (58:12):
the Eagles twenty one to seventeen.

Speaker 28 (58:22):
Jalen Hurts sacks six times.

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of the season.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Blue Jays crushed the.

Speaker 29 (58:30):
Yankees take a two to oh series lead in the Alds.
Rookie Trey Savage set a Jay's postseason record with eleven strikeouts.
Julio Rodriguez with a go ahead RBI double in the
eighth to lift the Mariners over the Tigers to even
the series at one.

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That's Sports. I'm Ron Tamoss.

Speaker 15 (58:49):
Sunny and Chile start to the week in the Northeast,
with high in the upper fifties to mid sixties from
showers and if you thunderstorms are expected from Georgia to Florida.
Highs range from the upper seventies to the upper eighties.
In the deep South, Gulf moisture is bringing widespread showers

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and mild temps throughout the Midwest, with temperatures stopping out
highs in the upper seventies and the northern plains in
the low nineties across Texas. Trying to hot again through

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the coast, with temperatures stopping out in the nineties inland,
and a new storm system is headed into the Pacific
Oregon and Washington. That's your national forecast. I'm Tammy Triheo.

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Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Good morning World, Good morning Lancing. I'm Kyle Malan, editor
of the MURRS Newsletter, coming at you from our offices
here by the State Capitol off Algin Street. Nice warm
October day could be our last warm day for quite
a while, though the forecast is looking like we're gonna
start dipping into the sixties. Maybe getting a little rain tonight,

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but yeah, I think we need a little rain. As
much as we've enjoyed the sun and the heat, it's
getting a little crispy out there when you're walking on
the grass, and I've done a little of that. But
we've also spent a lot of time indoors because of
the state budget. We spent the two nights last week

(01:01:12):
past midnight at the state Capitol. One of my colleagues
who did that with me, Craig Mauger from the Detroit News. Craig,
I hope you caught up on some sleep this weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
I don't feel like I'm quite there yet. You need
another week of normal sleeping here to get back to
where I was for But who knows.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
I was just talking with James Homan about this past week.
You know that Tuesday night Wednesday morning was tough because
literally nothing was going on. We were just sitting around
just waiting for them to pass a continuation budget. And
then Thursday night Friday morning was fire hose time where
we get this budget dropped on us, you know, three
hundred pages and we get like an hour to dissect

(01:01:53):
it before the House and the Senate vote on.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
It, exactly right. I mean, this is a heck of
a document and it's quite a you know, I would
be interested in how it compares to some other things
you've seen in the Capitol. But I mean, it's just
such a major compromise from all of the factions involved.
It doesn't seem like really anyone gets exactly what they
want out of this thing, and a lot of people
I think have to hold their nose and vote for it.

(01:02:16):
I mean, the Senate Democrat so many of them did
not want to vote for this marijuana tax increase, raising
the taxes that people will have to pay for marijuana
twenty four percent is what they instituted on wholesale marijuana.
I talked to so many Senate Dems who said they
didn't want to vote for it unless they had to.
One Senate Republican told me that they only had eleven

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committed yes votes in the nineteen member Senate Dem caucus
at one point, so they had to work to find
four Senadems who were willing to, you know, finally go
green on the board, and they get four Republicans to
put them over the edge there. But they were very
close to not having the votes for this whole deal.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
It seems, well, it's an interesting thing because the Republicans
didn't have to vote for it. They didn't cut the
deal like the House Republicans did. They are like, well, hey, listen,
we're not going to vote for a tax increase if
we don't have to. We're not going to walk the
plank on your deal. This was your deal, not our deal. Deal.
It's interesting now it works out because the House Republicans got, like,

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I don't like forty members of their fifty fifty eight
member caucus to walk the plank on that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
So I wasn't exactly right, and you wonder what, you know,
I have not been able to suss out yet what
these four center Republicans that essentially cast the needed vote
for this tacticers, what they got out of this, why
they did it. We know one of them, Ed mcbroome,
who represents stuff or potentially he's kind of morally opposed
to marijuana and was going to vote against vote for

(01:03:47):
it regardless because he was in favor of, you know,
making it so this industry is not thriving to the
extent that it was. But then you have three others
who voted for it, and they haven't really, I haven't
seen them publicly explain why they did.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Yeah, one of the things that you wrote about over
the weekend, I want to talk about. There was a
program that the state was trying to use to help
teachers new teachers pay off their student loan debt and
apparently didn't work as well as they hoped that it would,
so they did something else with the money.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
I mean, this is something that I had, you know,
I had no idea about. And we've heard some lawmakers
and lamping talk about waste, fraud and abuse, but they
had never highlighted this and soil. Just a couple of
days ago, the two years ago, the legislature put something
in the budget to spend two hundred and twenty five
million dollars to help teachers pay back their student loan debt.

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And there were a lot of press releases put out
at the time touting how great of a program this
was and how this was a win for educators in
the state of Michigan. Well, it turns out like none
of the money was handed out. I think I saw
that two hundred and nine million of it was not
handed out, and was just an account because the program
did not function properly. So in this new budget, one

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of the many provisions that are buried in here, you know,
we'll keep finding out additional things that are in here.
They are going to give two hundred and three million
dollars for essentially bonuses for teachers, bus drivers, support staff
at schools. Anyone who's represented by a labor union and
works at a K twelve school will get a portion

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of this two hundred and three million dollars in extra
compensation that was just put in this budget.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Wouldn't they wouldn't you think that that would go to
people who have college debt though, because of their job
in the school, and not just everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
No, I mean this new what's in the budget now,
they've changed it from a college debt plan which it
was previously to now it's just going to go to
everyone because basically Senator Darren Camillarry said that the college
debt approach they were doing was just not functioning, so
he wanted to find a way to get this direct
into the pockets of teachers. There's lots of talk about
how educators and a lot of other ploys in the

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state are facing these skyrocketing healthcare costs and they are
now going to say this is a way to relieve
some of the healthcare costs that teachers are facing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Something else that you're hot on, Craig and I. We're
talking with Craig Mager here with the Detroit News. And
something I was also trying to get my hands around
was the on a pork they were able to stuff
into this budget. And in years past, when we had
a lot of COVID money hanging around, they really really
dished out the pork like it was a roast and
a barbecue. They kind of scaled that back a little

(01:06:36):
bit in this one.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
Yeah, it scaled back significantly. I mean depending which lawmakers
you talked to. I mean some of them will say, hey,
this shows that we had a real financial problem with
the state. We had to really cut back on spending.
Other lawmakers, if you ask them about this, they will say,
we didn't really need to do this tax on marijuana
because we had four hundred and sixty two million dollars

(01:07:00):
to essentially hand out to different nonprofits and governmental institutions
for special projects. My colleague Best LeBlanc and I tracked
four hundred and sixty two million dollars in special projects
in this budget. These are sometimes to his legislatively directed
spending appropriation. The main one, more than half of it,

(01:07:22):
it was two hundred and fifty to two hundred and
seventy million that's going to go to a program called
RX Kids that give me to expectant mothers and mothers
in the first six to twelve months after giving birth.
So that's the main one that was thought by the
Senate Democrats. But it's run through Michigan State University, and

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it's something that has been hotly debated in the Capitol previously.
It's been a priority of Senate Majority Leader Winnie Brinks.
But that's a huge chunk of the spending well, and
that was.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Her number one item out of this budget, wasn't it.
I mean, the Senate Democrats, this is the thing that
they are shining a light on, saying we accomplish this.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
I think that's exactly right. And they've been talking about
it all year. I mean, they had a press conference
in March where they were talking about this, so definitely
something they wanted. I mean, the Senate Democrats got a
lot of these projects. I don't have the percentage off
the top of my head here, but just anecdotally looking
through the list, their names were attached to so many
of these. It's a lot less money, but it is

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a new process. I mean, I will give them credit
for this. They've instituted a new process that's going to
improve to a certain degree, maybe not fully, the transparency
around how this money is handed out. They're not going
to give money any any longer, at least this year,
to nonprofits that haven't formed yet. We've seen this in
the past. They give money to a group that's not
even in physical existence.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Well, they're making baby steps, that's for sure. Craig Mauger
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Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
I'm Kyle Malynn, editor of the Murrs Newsletter. I've spent
a lot of time indoors the last few days because
of the state budget. But when I was able to
go outside, watched a cross country meet on Saturday. I've noticed, gosh,
you know it's October, but the leaves don't really seem

(01:12:51):
to be changing color quite yet. Well, let's talk to
somebody about that. Kelly Walgemott, vice President of Travel Michigan,
Join us and I'm reading something here that the record
heat is causing a very slow change in fall colors
this year. I don't know if you're seeing that where
you are, but down here in Lancing and I was

(01:13:12):
in Portage over the weekend. Still wait for the big
bright colors.

Speaker 37 (01:13:18):
I know it, you know, thank you so much for
having me this morning. And the overall color throughout the
state is really unique this year. We had a little
bit of a cold stell in September and then it
got warm again, and so I think the leaves are
a bit confused. There is plenty of color in the up.

(01:13:40):
I just came from the up. I was in Marquette
and Munisine and too common unfalls and the bright reds
are out, the yellow, the orange. They're still not at peak.
They still have probably a couple of weeks left up
in the up before they are at peak color. But
the color is a bit slow this year, and I
think it's really based on this warm weather that we

(01:14:01):
have been experiencing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
It's been super hot, and I know that this today
is supposed to be kind of that last day in
the eighties. I think for the whole year we're going
to hear in Lansing. It looks like later this afternoon
we're going to get highs in to the eighties eighty
one eighty two again, and then we're going to get
a little rain overnight, and then it's going to be
rainy Tuesday, and maybe maybe that will cool things off

(01:14:27):
and we'll get some colors. But give us the color report.
What do you what can you report for us?

Speaker 38 (01:14:33):
Yeah, and we do.

Speaker 37 (01:14:34):
I just want to, you know, let your listeners know.
We do have a lot of great resources on Michigan
dot org. We have a fall color map that actually
uses software that's given you up to the minute, you know,
color details around the state and what you can see
and experience. We also have a Fall Color newsletter that
comes out weekly that provides you a regional perspective of

(01:14:57):
what we're sharing from the experts in thosemmunities, and it
also provides you with great things to do and experiences
throughout the state. Because you know, we love October in
Michigan with the fall colors, but there's so much to
see and do. When it talk about outdoor hiking and biking,
you can still do. Looking at the ski resorts, they

(01:15:18):
have incredible sharelifts, so you can see the fall color
at a new height. The skybridge at Boyne Mountain is
an incredible experience, is that Olob You know? In October
is also Agriturism months and Michigan Apple Months, so a
great time to experience those cider mills, the corn mazes,

(01:15:39):
and the punkin patches.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
So I understand that you are currently traveling with an
international content creating group out of Germany. Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Yes?

Speaker 37 (01:15:52):
You know, international travel is incredibly important when we talk
about the economic impact travel has to the state, and
we do work to target and inspire travelers internationally in
the UK also Germany, and we're working with a company
called Falka, which is an outdoor gear company in Germany,

(01:16:15):
the largest company there. And what they do is they
bring content creators into a destination and they basically film
their new product with the destination as the backdrop. So
it's really in a great experience for Michigan. We're the
first US state for them to explore, and we have

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content creators that are just incredibly talented and the views
and the film that I've seen so far is absolutely stunning.
So what will happen is they will take this film
back and then we will be part of a really
dynamic campaign in Germany, also working with a leading tour
operator in Germany to create this special itiner in Michigan

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and to really showcase not only the beauty of our
state when you talk about you know, in Marquette, Sugar
Loaf Mountain or Pictured Rocks National Lake Shore, but also
what a fall you know, pure Michigan Day is all about.
So it's really an incredible opportunity to get some additional
awareness in Germany to a really important traveler group.

Speaker 38 (01:17:24):
For the state.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
That'd be really cool. Now we don't have an October
Fest that they that they visited up there? Did they?

Speaker 37 (01:17:32):
I know they did not they did that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
I wonder if they got did they fill any cracking
of any beers up there up there?

Speaker 37 (01:17:41):
No, they did not.

Speaker 17 (01:17:42):
They did not do that.

Speaker 37 (01:17:44):
They got you know, you know really you know, getting
out in the sunrise and the sunset time with that
you know, Golden Hour and just the footage is incredible.
And you know, it's really fun to be with this
group as well because they have never been to Michigan
and to hear their impression of our state. We know

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we have an incredible state in the beauty of our state.
But they're like, wow, we had no idea that this
experience was going to be like this.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Yeah, cider mills, corn mazes, pumpkin patches. Did you I
don't know if Tony knows this. Did I ever tell
you that my uncle owns a pumpkin patch?

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
This is news to me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Yeah, and Belding. So if you're on I'm forty four
and Belding the Pulse and Pumpkin Patch. My uncle's pretty
old now, so it's actually my second cousins who run
it now. But the Pulse and Pumpkin Patch is where
we go, and that's where we're going to be next weekend,
gathering pumpkins out of you know, the big patch they've

(01:18:44):
got there, and he's got a ton of apples and yeah,
it's a great spot. So there's my plug. Tony's typing
it up around looking.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
I mean, it's a legitimate business we got going on here, Kyle.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
Yeah, that's where my mom grew up. I spent spent
many many days at the Pulse and Pumpkin Patch. They
used to have a big barn that we used to
play in as kids. But you know those old barns,
they've all fallen apart, so you got the new barns
in there, which are not as fun, but they they're
probably gonna hold up a lot better than the old ones.
But thanks for the color tour update, Kelly. It's good

(01:19:19):
check it in with you.

Speaker 37 (01:19:21):
Well, thank you for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
Have a great day, Kelly Walgamot. She is with Pure Michigan,
the vice president over there, talking about the fall color tours.
This is the great time of the season. And you
know after the rain on Monday, well later tonight and Tuesday,
we're back to sun so we're going to be able
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Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Yeah for sure, Kyle, I got to give you credit
on this, Paul Sin's pumpkin. I mean, this is something
to do for anybody about there, So I'm gonna give
them another plug if I'm If you're.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
Cool, Oh god, please do. The apples are fantastic this
time of year too, if you can get over there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
And they have pepper dry rub available to purchase as well,
so I might put my order in with you if
you're going there this weekend, and I can hit the grill.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
There you go. If squash too, they sell a lot
of squash.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
And just to follow up on something that Kelly Wolgemant
was talking about yesterday, my family and I we did
a chair lift a fall color tour, I guess. We
went up and back down at Shush Mountain, up at
bel Air and the colors I thought were pretty rock
solid up north in that area of the state. The
rest not so much. And we attended a wedding and
I could tell you the backdrop of the wedding was

(01:21:42):
in the middle of a don't know, the woods and
the leaves were falling as the vows were being exchanged.
So at least in some parts of Michigan, we do
have some pretty good colors.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
Just throwing that out there, that sounds magical.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
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story yesterday former NFL quarterback and Fox Sports analyst Mark Sanchez.
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and police say Sanchez was stabbed during a physical altercation
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it or not, I'm speaking of Sanchez on charges of
battery with injury and lawful injury of a motor vehicle
in public intoxication. He was in Indianapolis to cover Sunday's
Colts and Raiders game, and TMZ says Sanchez has been
released and is now being processed through the jail, though
as cash bond has already been paid. This was really
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(01:22:57):
it was was reports Mark Sanchez stab That's all you
would see. And then some of the details started coming
out and Mark Sanchez is in a lot of trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
Even though he was stabbed, It sounds like he got
into a fight and he got the bad end of it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Yeah, for sure, So we'll I don't know if we're
going to follow up on the story, but it's definitely
something to be aware of. And President Trump did announced
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Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Welcome to Michigan's Big Show starring Michael Patrick Shields. I'm
Kyle Malin, editor of the Murrs newsletter, billing in today
for Michael Patrick as he is on assignment out in Europe.
Sounds like a good time. But I was talking in
the last segment with Craig Mauger about catching up on sleep.
I've almost caught up, I think on the sleep of

(01:27:20):
two back to not back to back, but there are
two all night sessions. Last week. We're gonna check in
with a state legislator here who also didn't get a
ton of sleep, I don't think last week, Representative Emily
Devendorf out of Lansing. Good morning, How you doing?

Speaker 38 (01:27:35):
Good morning. I am definitely still catching up on that sleep.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
Oh my gosh, that was a tough go. We had
an all night or a Tuesday Wednesday morning, and then
another one Thursday Friday morning. I'd like to say that
I that I know everything that happened in that state budget,
but I think we're going to be taking the next
few weeks to trying to figure that out.

Speaker 38 (01:27:56):
What do you think that is absolutely true? There is
a lot to pour through, and let's be real here.
I think most of us Republican and Democrats received a
copy of the budget shortly before we had to vote
on it. So I think we have a lot of
homework to do well.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
And I want to talk to you about that because
that's been a frustration of mine and I wrote about
it in the Lansing City Pults this week that you know,
in years past, we were able to get pieces of
the budget for you know, in the weeks coming up
to the end, where we would pass like an agriculture
budget and then we'd look at it, and then we'd
pass like a dn R budget and then the Correction's budget.

(01:28:36):
But now they cram all the budgets into one big
document and then they stick it on your lap and
give you about an hour to go through it, and
they're supposed to vote on it. That's got to be
really challenging.

Speaker 38 (01:28:49):
It is challenging. It's also not good for government. It's
not an example of good governance, and it is the
opposite of what our constituents have been to us increasingly
as they have lost faith in government over time and
they want to see us do our jobs better.

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Why does this happen? Then, I mean, why do we
cram everything into a budget, give it to you all,
like you know, in the middle of the night when
everybody else is sleeping, and then tell you to vote
on it. It's just why are we doing this?

Speaker 38 (01:29:24):
So I don't love to guess at intense but I
can say that we had plenty of opportunity to pass
the budget on time, both the omnibus budget and the
education budget, which once passed, was months overdue, leaving our
schools in a really precarious situation. Anytime we get to

(01:29:45):
that final moment and we are we are bumped up
against the deadline, in this case after the deadline, and absolutely,
when we're passing laws in the middle of the night,
there is no transparency there. There's not an opportunity for transparency.
And I think this time that resulted in great part
from lack of process. And I'm not sure that a

(01:30:05):
budget existed prior to a few days before we ended
up passing it. So there are very few excuses for
how we got here when we really could have done
our jobs responsibly and as you said, passed different parts
of the budget earlier, but also done so in a
way so that our communities knew what we were doing

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and could weigh in, and that transparency completely lacked, from
lack of committee hearings to lack of open negotiations and
certainly not the ability to review the documents that funded
our lives.

Speaker 4 (01:30:40):
Back twenty years ago, we used to have fifteen different
spending bills, sometimes sixteen if you counted capital outlay, but
we'd have sixteen bills that accompanied the budget, so there
was not like one vote on the budget. There was
like fifteen of them, and they were spread out over
time so that folks would have a chance to take
a look at at the interest group to take a

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look at it, and the legislators and everybody kind of
knew what was in there if that was your level
of expertise. And now they roll them into two budgets,
one for the schools and one for the general government.
How did you end up voting then on those two bills.

Speaker 38 (01:31:17):
So it has become a collaborative, hustle effort to be
able to understand what is in the budget between briefings
with how fiscal agency and our different branches of government
to honestly keyword searches, which we have to admit has
a lot of flaw involved in it. It means that

(01:31:39):
due to your own personal bias or what your expertise
is or isn't, you are looking for and able to
identify different things. But if it isn't in your area,
if it isn't something that is already on your radar,
you could miss it completely. So there is a lot
that has been able to fly under the radar and
that we will continue to discover. And I'm sad to

(01:31:59):
say my community is regularly now bringing to me that
the different programs that they felt they really needed just
did not make it through this budget, and we will
continue to figure that out.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
So on the school the school aid portion of it,
did you end up supporting it or not?

Speaker 38 (01:32:20):
So I do support the school aid portion of the budget,
with some exceptions, with some cautions and concerns because we
have now made education funding somewhat vulnerable due to the
way that we have shifted where the funding is. It
is now in a place where every single budget cycle,

(01:32:43):
our schools are going to have to fight for that
funding and that makes it harder for them to plan.
But also it makes it harder for our educators to
know that they have the resources they need to continue
to serve our kids in an equitable and consist every time,
it will be a battle. And unless we return it

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to what really should be a constitutionally protected pot of
money that ensures our schools can keep going. So that
is not okay. And there is also a lot of
funding that was shifted and focus from public schools to
charter schools. This is not a topic and area of

(01:33:25):
our investment that our schools had a chance to weigh
in on enough in an open dialogue in order to
fight for what they needed.

Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
So the reference I get you on the first person
that you're talking about. We're talking with Representative Emily Divendorf.
But what they've done with the school aid budget is
that they've dedicated more and more money from that school
aid budget to fund universities, which isn't necessarily what it
was intended to. And when the governor, Governor Whitmer Ran,

(01:33:53):
she said that we're going to stop doing that, but
the temptation has just been too much, and instead of
ending it, we've doubled it. And so more money from
school aid is going into universities, and it's just it's
just become kind of more of a general fund pot,
which is not what the school aid fund was designed for.
And I can sense that you're not happy about that.

Speaker 32 (01:34:15):
What about no, I go.

Speaker 38 (01:34:17):
Ahead, and I think that throughout this budget cycle we've
screwed over schools plenty enough. You know, they were patient
with us as long as they possibly could be, until
we put them in a position where they had to
figure out whether they were going to have to dip
into other areas of funding in order to continue to

(01:34:37):
feed our kids. They weren't able to plan, and then
in the final moment, we ended up making their funding
vulnerable to being robbed every year thereafter. So I'm pretty
sure that our education community is fed up with the
legislative process.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
We only have less than a minute left here. So then,
on the general government kind of side of things, did
you end up being a yes or a no on
that one?

Speaker 38 (01:35:01):
I was a yes on that and acknowledging that this
is not a dream budget. We did not have the
excess dollars that we've had in past years. A couple
of years ago it felt a little bit like Christmas
for our communities, where we were able to really invest
in a lot of things that had been long neglected
or had not been able to have support from the state.

(01:35:23):
This time, we were already functioning with less money. We
were predicting that the federal government was going to cut
us significantly, not knowing whether our state departments would be
looking at forty percent less or fifteen percent less. We
had a leaner budget proposed to us by Republicans.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
And that leader budget just that. We didn't do that one,
but it was less funny. Thank you, Emily Devendor. If
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Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
Welcome to Michigan's Big Show starring Michael Patrick Shields. I'm
Kyle Molen, editor of the Murrs Newsletter. Happy National Coaches
Day for people who celebrate such things. The national observances
a day set aside down or some of the men
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Coaches Day, So you might want to use the occasion
to take to social media to give your favorite coach
a shout out. You know I'm a coach. Did you
know that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Tony Coppery, you're a cross country coach?

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
Cross country this time of the year. Yes, track coach
in the spring, and cross country for the middle schools
at Lancing Catholics. So the few Lansing area Catholic schools
who join together for the junior Cougars. I get together
with them and we run around a little bit. We
run around the Lansing area. We'll go down to the Capitol.

(01:39:53):
I've been down to the Capitol already this year. With
the kids. We go down to Adado Park, which is
over by the river. There's a playground over there, so
we screw around on that a little bit, went over
to Potter Park. Nice run over to Potter Park. In
the past we've run to Michigan State and run to Sparty,
which is a longer run.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
So these are like practice field trips almost.

Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
Kind of yeah yeah yeah. So there's then there's a
couple other parks that we go to quite a bit.
Grossback that park over there that's basically a big retention
basin where water just kind of gets filtered into this
large retention basin and kids can run around that. It's
kind of cool. There's ducks and everything, and they like

(01:40:37):
to chase around the ducks, so that's kind of fun.
And then sometimes we'll go over to this Oak Park,
which sometimes the unhomed hangout at. We've had a guy
we've had a guy with There was a guy who
was I think he was living out there for a
little bit. He liked watching us run, cheer us on.
It was kind of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
I got to give it up to the coaches out there.
I mean, this is my two second grade son is
in soccer and this is his first like competitive type sport,
and it's amazing watching the coach who's I would say
around my age, maybe like in his late thirties, early forties,
somewhere around there. And he has to wrangle with all
these second grade boys that really they have interest in soccer,

(01:41:19):
you can tell that for sure, but they're also interested
in like tackling each other or just messing around, not
really paying attention to instruction. But he keeps them in order,
and you know what, they're actually pretty good when the
game time comes. So I give him a lot of
credit and I watch and I'm like, I just don't
know if I'm made to do something like that. To
be honest, it takes a special person like you.

Speaker 4 (01:41:39):
Well, I appreciate that, Tony. I'd like to say by
the time they get to middle school they actually pay
attention more and quit screwing around and wrestling with each other.
But that's not the case. In fact, during practice sometimes
in order to kind of get some energy out, we'll
do some what they call him Oklahoma tackle contests. Wow,
just because the kids are grew around so much that

(01:42:01):
we're just gonna go ahead and make a contest of it.
So this is before we go on our runs. But
we'll have two kids lay down and somebody else will
play referee, and then I'll blow the whistle and they'll
try and tackle each other. Only the people who like
really want to participate. And then I had a girl
who wanted to do it, but you couldn't find anybody else,
any of the other girls who wanted to do it.

(01:42:22):
She finally talked somebody into finally doing the Oklahoma Wrestling Contest.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
So can I unpack a few things here? Just because
I'm completely naive to cross country? I know you run, yes, okay,
we got that down for a practice. You run, correct?

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
You run?

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Why do you need a whistle?

Speaker 4 (01:42:41):
Shut them up? Basically? Basically? Yeah, I mean that's the
only reason I have the whistle is to shut them
up and keep them in line. Because when you're doing
warm ups too, the warm ups are you know, butt
kicks and high knees and you know, Frankenstein's is what
we call them. But they're big high leg swings, you know.

Speaker 38 (01:42:59):
Up.

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
You know, if you don't, if you don't have the whistle,
it can it can quickly disintegrate into chaos very quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
All right, I'm learning here, So you.

Speaker 4 (01:43:08):
Got to have the whistle for that, and then you know,
you run but then you know, so then you ask, well,
what else do you do after you run? Well, you stretch.
But we also do a lot of strengthening stuff too,
like wall sits, you know where you got to sit
there with your with your legs at like a ninety
degree angle for a while, and then you know, you

(01:43:30):
put your heels up so you can get your calfs,
you know, strengthen your calves. We also do planks, uh,
and some kids really like the planks. It's particularly like
the the smaller, lighter boys. They love doing planks because
they can usually do it a lot longer than most
anybody else. I have this one kid who was able

(01:43:51):
to do a plank for like five minutes. Oh my god,
he I mean he was. He was a smaller kid,
and he would do it for five and he kept
wanting to do it. There was one time, this was
during track, where we had a plank contest, and so
I said, whoever, whoever's able to keep the plank the longest,
we'll get the forty four out slushy the next time,
we run over to the QD and get slushies. That's

(01:44:14):
another fun thing we like to do. And so the
kids were like hell bet on it. Well, they went
so long that they went past the time of practice.
They were still doing it, and I was like, all right,
you all get slushies. But that wasn't good enough because
they wanted to win the plank contest. So I'm sitting
there like five ten. I literally went ten minutes after

(01:44:36):
practice before I said, seriously, I gotta go home. All
of you guys want all right? Three who are still
doing these planks? You guys all still win?

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
So across how long is a cross country Is it
like six miles or something? Is that what we're looking
at here?

Speaker 4 (01:44:50):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
No, for middle school, it's miles two miles, okay, and
it usually through let's say a wooded area. Correct, Yes,
Where does a coach position oneself to I encourage or
take notes? I don't know what you're doing on game day?

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
Let's say, well, I try and always be a quarter
of a mile to the finish line, because if you're
one hundred meters or one hundred yards to the finish line,
there's too much commotion going on. There's too many parents cheering,
so the kids can't hear you. Also, really, in a
cross country meet, one hundred meters isn't usually enough to

(01:45:27):
make a difference, whereas a quarter of a mile, there's
nobody usually there and you can usually tell the kids
to kick it because it's four hundred meters. It's one
time around the track, and if they've got anything left
in the tank, that is the time to use it
because then you can actually start clipping people off if
you've run the race right. So that's one place where

(01:45:49):
I like to be. But otherwise I just try and
be economical and I can hit as many places as possible.
And I'm a little different in that I don't necessarily
yell at kids unless they need to be yelled at,
and I don't. And this is during a race, And
I usually try and give tips while I'm running, just
not trying to get them excited. But you know, breathe longer,

(01:46:11):
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Well Welcome back to Michigan's Big Show starring Michael Patrick
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of Murrs News and Kyle, we talked a lot about
the Tigers, the Lions and everything that goes with that.
But what about college football this weekend? Yeah, we did
have a tough one, especially if you are a Michigan
State fan. They're coming back home. It's off of a

(01:49:20):
lost to Nebraska thirty eight to twenty seven. The game
was competitive much of the way throughout, but then it
just got away from Michigan State. Spartan said at three
and two on the season, zero to two and big
ten action. This Saturday's homecoming. We can get excited about that,
right A beautiful day on campus East Lansing, Michigan. I mean,
what more could you want now? This game? Right now,
Michigan State is favored by seven and a half over UCLA,

(01:49:43):
But that game takes on a whole new tone now
after what we saw what UCLA did to Penn State
over the weekend, pulling off one of the bigger upsets.
Probably I would imagine up this season.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
I think so. I mean, because UCLA was winless going
into that game, terrible Penn State was nationally ranked. They
were what three or four team at one point and
probably not anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
No, no, there are They fell out of the rankings
on that loss. Back to back losses for the Nittany
Lions and the University of Michigan. They brought in Wisconsin
for whatever reason, Fox likes to promote this big noon
kickoff pregame show and then they have their Marquee Crue
doing the game and that all took place in ann
Arbor this weekend against the lowly Badgers Michigan. It's kind

(01:50:26):
of a sleepy game as many expected. Twenty four to
ten was the final on that. Michigan is four and
one on the season, two to zero, Big ten play.
It's not gonna get easy now though. The Wolverines will
hit the road and they take on USC this Saturday.
It's not eleven pm Eastern time kickoff. I can confirm that.
And as we sit right now, the Trojans favored by

(01:50:47):
two and a half in this game. Yeah. Usually Michigan
for whatever reason, ends up being the favorite and then
it gets better around and I would so, well, this
is a line to watch. Usually the Michigan money will
come in and they'll even a little bit. It might
be a pick'em come game time or something to that effect.

Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
USC's got a great offense, though they do.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
I think it's statistically one of the best, if not
the best, in the country. And we've seen them in action,
especially against Michigan State a couple of weeks ago. Are directionals.
Not a good weekend. Central Michigan lost to Akron twenty
eight twenty two. Eastern Michigan fell in overtime to Buffalo
thirty one to thirty. Western Michigan they won. They beat
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The fire and explosion at a refinery in southern California
is expected to cause the price of jet fuel and
gas to increase.

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Phil Hewitt with more.

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The Chevron El Segundol refinery erupted in flames initially, and
its jet fuel production unit the fire spread throughout the complex.
Chevron El Segundo is the largest oil refining operation on
the West Coast. It produces about three hundred thousand barrels
of crude oil per day. No one was injured in
the fire or by the explosion. The cause is under investigation.

Speaker 24 (01:56:17):
Google is investing four billion dollars in Arkansas. The investment
runs through twenty twenty seven and will include the tech
giant's first data center in the state. The data center
will be located in West Memphis and Taylor Swift's the
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Her name was Kitty Ada Money, being pitty and witty.

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It's the film that accompanies her new album, The Life
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the Smashing Machine starring to Wane, The Rock Johnson, and
One Battle after Another with Leonardo DiCaprio. Sales of Tesla
continue to surge Here's Bradford.

Speaker 34 (01:56:54):
The electric car Cavity sold more than four hundred and
ninety seven thousand vehicles in the third quarter, beating its
previous record. One likely reason for the sales boost was
buyer's rushing to buy Tesla's before a seventy five hundred
dollars federal tax credit expired on September thirtieth. The games
were large enough to briefly push CEO Elon Musk's worth
over five hundred billion dollars, making him the first person

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to reach the half trillion dollar mark.

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The tour makes stops in Dallas, LA, Chicago, Detroit, Miami,
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and business news.

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Speaker 29 (01:57:51):
Patriots kicked a fifty two yard field goal with fifteen
seconds left, beat the Bells twenty three to twenty.

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Head coach and Mike rabel On gets the big win.

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beating them here for fourteen games. They had their opportunity,
and players took advantage of that opportunity and beat a
really good football team that hasn't lost here much.

Speaker 29 (01:58:12):
and one the Broncos scored eighteen unanswered points knock off
the Eagles twenty one to seventeen.

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Jalen Hurts sacks six times.

Speaker 29 (01:58:24):
of the season. Blue Jays crushed the Yankees ticket two
to oh series lead in the Alds. Rookie tree Is
Savage set a Jay's postseason record with eleven strikeouts. Julio
Rodriguez with a go ahead RBI double in the eighth
to lift the Mariners over the Tigers to even the
series at one. That's Sports, I'm ron Tamos.

Speaker 15 (01:58:48):
Sunny and Chile start to the week in the Northeast,
showers and if you thunderstorms are expected from Georgia to Florida.
Highs range from the upper seventies to the upper eighties.

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and mild temps throughout the Midwest, with temperatures stopping out
the low nineties. Across Texas, trying to hot again through

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the coast, with temperatures topping out in the nineties inland,
and a new storm system is headed into the Pacific

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Speaker 4 (02:00:28):
Good morning world, Good morning Michigan. I'm Kyle Malin, editor
of the Mers newsletter, filling in for Michael Patrick. Today,
October sixth, could be our last day in the eighties
for the year of twenty twenty five. Gosh, it's been
hot the last few days, twenty degrees above the seasonal
averages time of year. Things are going to come back
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(02:00:52):
and we'll continue. It looks like throughout the day, bring
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do you expect in October here in Michigan. Well, we've
also got a lot of football, and the guy who
knows a lot about football, he covers the Las Vegas
Raiders for Sports Illustrated. Hondo Carpenter, Big Big, Michigan State

(02:01:17):
follower and chronicler of Michigan State Sports Hondo. It was
hard to watch that Nebraska game. I don't know how
much of it you watched, but it was tough to swallow.

Speaker 11 (02:01:29):
Yeah, I watch every second because in my role now
as a senior NFL and college writer, I cover and
oversee our Michigan State and all that as well, and
I watched every second of it. And here's the disappointing part.
You know, Nebraska's two years ahead of Michigan State in
a rebuild, and I don't think any reasonable Michigan State

(02:01:52):
fan thought Michigan State was going to go in there
and wipe the floor of them. In fact, I think
if you ask most of them, they expected a loss.
I certainly did. But what you didn't expect was a
team coming out of a bye week to look lost.
There's a difference. And they came out and it was
the first time. And let me just say this, because

(02:02:13):
I don't run from anything that I say. I wasn't
at I am and was an advocate for Jonathan Smith
to get the job. I think he's a tremendous quote
coach with a proven track record. But that was the
first time since he's been at Michigan State where you
looked at him and his staff and their performance and
you were disappointed in them. It doesn't mean that you know,

(02:02:35):
everybody has bad days. It doesn't mean that they can't recover.
It doesn't mean I've turned on him, because I haven't,
but it was extremely disappointing, and then coming out of
a bye week made it even worse when you expect
for there to be some things and some corrections made.
So to me, now they come home and this is
a game that Michigan State should win. That the place

(02:02:58):
is going to be packed for home coming. It's going
to be a ton of recruits there. So this is
going to have a major impact, just not on this season,
but it's going to have a major impact on the future.
And Jonathan Smith when you are rebuilding a program and
you have a new boss that didn't hire you, and
again I'm not advocating for his termination, but you can't

(02:03:20):
afford to lay eggs in situations where you shouldn't. You know,
if they were playing Ohio State and got the floor
wiped with them, people would have accepted that a little
bit better. But Nebraska is a better football team. But
those mistakes that was on his staff. You know, there
were times when players would make mistakes and then just

(02:03:40):
stand there and watch the outcome. And I made tom Izzo,
God bless that man has set the standard in the
state of Michigan no matter what school that you root
for for coaches that demand excellence. And there were plays
where guys made mistakes and they weren't taken off the
field and they were just allowed to continue to play,

(02:04:03):
and some of them repeated mistakes. Well, that doesn't cut
it here. This is a blue collar state. And what
you know, if you were a Spartan fan, even if
you hated Michigan, you respected the way Jimmy Harbaugh, you know,
treated his teams, the way that he led his teams,
the same way with an Izzo. And again it was
the first time, so certainly in a year and a
half he's worth a mulligan. But Jonathan Smith now has

(02:04:27):
to come back in front of his fan base and
he has to show that the team responded to him
and his coaches leadership. And here's the other thing, Kyle,
that a lot of people don't talk about. But this
isn't the old days. These guys are paid now, and
some of them are paid massive amounts of money. So
all of a sudden, the well, we got to let

(02:04:48):
guys develop. Yeah, we still do, but not when you're
replacing them every year with who you can go buy
to replace them. There are there are expectations I had
one of the top coaches in college football last week
say something to me that really blew my mind for
an article I'm writing. He said, I'm all for players
getting paid. I want them to get paid. I have

(02:05:09):
no issues with it. But with more money and with
what's coming, there's going to be more expectations. And he goes,
and when you treat them like paid players, he goes,
how many of them are going to revolt and say, well, no, no, no,
we don't want that. Well, yeah, you did because you
wanted to be paid. And there were guys out there
that were not playing like paid players. They were looking

(02:05:30):
like freshmen and young players that needed to be developed.
But that wasn't the case anymore. They're paid big money
out of the collective in the NILS. And this is
going to be John Jonathan Smith's job because he's, you know,
he is changing from an old school coach to this
new era and he's got to find his way too,
and you got to give him some grace there. But

(02:05:51):
it was very, very disappointing as a spart.

Speaker 4 (02:05:55):
Honda, Why did Aiden Chiles only complete nine passes for
eighty five yards? That's a state you just rarely see
in college sports.

Speaker 11 (02:06:05):
Well, yeah, I agree, but you know, when your offensive
line can't block anyone, when you have offensive players who
are paid significant amounts of money, offensive lineman paid significant
amounts of money, who are sitting there like the Home
Alone movie, with their hands on their cheeks because they
just let a guy run freely through to kill your
quarterback rather than chasing them. That's exactly what happens. It

(02:06:26):
was a terrible performance by an offensive line. Aiden A
lot of people don't realize this. I mean, he's only
a year and a half into his career and so
he's still learning how to adjust. I talked with somebody
in the program yesterday who told me that, you know,
there was some issues with you know, changing some blocking assignments.
That's part of having young players. But remember they're young

(02:06:49):
players that are paid now, so the expect change, expectations change.
You know. We remember when there used to be players
and you say, well, you know, they're freshmen, you just
got to let it go. Or there's sophomores and then
you've expected Morris juniors and an expected peak performance as seniors.
But now they're paid. Now they're expecting and it's not reality,

(02:07:09):
but it's just that it's the reality of the situation,
but not accurate. Guys to commit and play like they're
being paid. And so the offensive line was completely terrible.
Aiden made some poor choices. I would say, though eighty
percent of it was on the offensive line. There was
a couple of misassignments by some running backs, but that
again coming out of a bye week when you had

(02:07:32):
an opportunity to correct things, to change some things, and
to get your guys healthy and ready to look like that.
That all squarely sits on coaching. Everything rises and falls
on leadership. I'll tell you a quick story, and I go
back to him because he is the gold standards. I
remember Michigan State lost the basketball game that they should
not have lost, and I was talking with Tom Is

(02:07:55):
on his office after the game and about a player
who had had a really bad game. And he looked
at me, and there's no cameras around. This was two friends.
This was an immediate guy and to coach, and he said,
everything rises and falls on leadership. He goes, you have
to blame me, and I go, but they did this.
He goes, You're absolutely right, they did. He goes, I'm
not denying that they didn't and you should make that clear.

(02:08:16):
But you also should point out everything rises and falls
on leadership, and when he does it two games in
a row, it's on me. And I'm going to hold
Jonathan Smith to that Spartan standard, and that was You
can certainly point to an offensive line that looked terrible,
but that's a direct reflection of coaching coming out of.

Speaker 3 (02:08:34):
A bye week.

Speaker 4 (02:08:35):
Hondo Carpenter from Sports Illustrated, thanks for breaking this down
for us. It's tough. Hopefully we can get a win
against UCLA this weekend. Appreciate the time. We'll talk to
you later.

Speaker 11 (02:08:45):
Thank you.

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My friend.

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latest album, The Life of a show Girl, sold two
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Copies on its first Dave release on Friday.

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day in the streaming platform's history. Meanwhile, Taylor Swift the
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sold online over the weekend.

Speaker 10 (02:11:35):
Sabrina Carpenter's first.

Speaker 9 (02:11:37):
Weekend headlining in the Austin City Limits Music Festival is
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hits like Espresso, Manchild, and Juno. She also had a
special surprise for fans, bringing out country music icon Shania
Twain to perform that Don't impress Me much. Sabrina will
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to make her Grand Old Opry debut in Nashville tomorrow,
and the shows might not go on if a Broadway
strike takes place. The union representing more than fifty thousand
professional actors and stage managers working in live theater has
authorized the move if negotiations failed to result in a
better contract.

Speaker 10 (02:12:16):

Speaker 4 (02:12:26):
I'm Kyle Malynn, editor of the Murrs Newsletter. One of
the items that the state legislature is working on right
now is a different way to allow police officers to
test folks suspected of being intoxicated while driving. The State

(02:12:46):
House passed a measure that is now in the state
Senate that allows for a different type of testing strip
to be used to test folks with suspected of driving
with THHC or marijuana in their system. And somebody who
is in support of this legislation has joined us on
the line right now, Brian Swift, as a very tragic

(02:13:06):
story in relation to this, and Brian, we appreciate you
joining us on the show to talk about this.

Speaker 25 (02:13:13):
Thank you, Kyli. I appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 4 (02:13:16):
So real quickly explain these bills that we're talking about.
This is a different testing technique that you are supporting
to make sure that the police are able to get
intoxicated people properly.

Speaker 25 (02:13:29):
Charged, right, And it's really not new.

Speaker 19 (02:13:34):
This is not a new way.

Speaker 25 (02:13:36):
My parents were killed in twenty thirteen by a drug
driver in the up Escanaba. I'm from Escanaba, and so
I've been working now over ten years and actually Michigan
was the first date we did a pilot, a two
year pilot in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen. That this

(02:14:00):
technology is very viable and works, and it detects things
like opioids, Benzo's cocaine masts and so it's just a
quick swab test. You put it in your mouth and
you put it in the handheld device that's carried by
officers and it can tell you in five minutes yes

(02:14:21):
or no. Does somebody have a system or a substance
in their system they're not supposed to have when they're driving.
And so these things are used all over the country. Again,
Michigan used to be the first state in the country.
Now we're way behind. We have thirty two other states

(02:14:41):
right now that are doing this, and around the world
this tool has been used for years. In fact, they
just got off the call a week ago and talked
with people from Spain and all over the world. They've
done fifty million or fifty one million tests alone this year,
and it's viable. It works and gets people off the

(02:15:06):
road before they kill people like my parents or your
loved ones. And we've got to start using this technology.

Speaker 4 (02:15:15):
This technology, it's like you said, it's a saliva test,
but you're basically running something along the inside of people's cheeks.
And I think the concern has always been of privacy
and invasion of privacy concerns. But why do you think
that doesn't hold water?

Speaker 25 (02:15:31):
Well, it doesn't because the courts of rules. It doesn't
hold water so a swab test is totally illegal to do,
and again we've done it in Michigan. We should get
back to leading the country.

Speaker 11 (02:15:46):
You know.

Speaker 25 (02:15:46):
The National Transportation Safety Board under the Biden administration recommended
that Michigan and twenty eight other states start using this
tool to screen detect for drugged drivers. Minnesota, for example,

(02:16:06):
just finished a pilot, and I think your listeners would
be very frightened to know just how bad things.

Speaker 19 (02:16:15):
Are on the road.

Speaker 25 (02:16:16):
For examples, Minnesota just finished their test in March of
twenty five. It showed that eighty three percent or eighty
seven percent, i should say, of the test that they
did on their roads came back positive for drugs in
people's systems. And among these positive tests, multiple substances were

(02:16:41):
found in sixty percent of the cases, and the most
common were cannabis mess amphetamine. And this device is also
going to be able to start testing for fentanyl. So
as everybody knows, we have a huge drug problem in
this country tree and it is scary. You know, Michigan

(02:17:05):
is a dangerous place right now to be traveling on
our roads. The twenty twenty four Traffic Safety Report just
got issued in Michigan and the numbers are very scary.
You know, bicyclists getting killed, people that are working on
our roads. I know, Michigan just passed a big bill

(02:17:29):
that is going to put a lot of money in
our roads, you know, the people that work on those roads.

Speaker 3 (02:17:35):
So you got work.

Speaker 25 (02:17:36):
Zone fatalities in twenty twenty four they climb seventeen percent.
We've got bike crashes, you know, just people riding along
the side of the road. Everything is up in Michigan,
and we really need to get back to what we
were doing in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen, and that

(02:17:57):
is leading the country when it comes to this technology.

Speaker 4 (02:18:02):
Brian Swift is joining us on the other end of
the line. You're listening to Michigan's Big Show starring Michael
Patrick Shields. If you missed it earlier, his parents were
killed in a car crash in twenty or March twenty
twenty thirteen up in the Up when a logging truck
ran a red light. And the idea here is to
give police officers more tools to arrest people when they

(02:18:25):
suspect that somebody is driving drunk or drug the alcohol tests,
to do a breathalyzer right there on the side of
the road, but drugs are a little different, and there's
this new technology that allows it, and we had it
for a little bit of time here in Michigan and
then they the pilot ran out and it just hasn't
been approved and legalized yet for widespread use in the state.

(02:18:49):
We had the legislature at the State House passed something
in July, but it is sitting in the House right now.
Any final thoughts on the subject here, Brian.

Speaker 25 (02:19:00):
Yeah, I would say anybody that's been affected, and even
if you have not been affected yet, trust me, you
do not want to lose your loved ones to somebody
that made the irresponsible decision to get enough vehicle and
kill your loved one or maim your loved one. Our
bills are each booth forty three ninety and each booth

(02:19:23):
forty three ninety one. They both passed the House and
we are now moving on to the Senate. So please
lobb in those calls to your senators and make them
aware that we need this technology back in Michigan.

Speaker 4 (02:19:40):
Thank you very much, Brian Swift, He's on Michigan's Big
Show starring Michael Patrick Shields Meta.

Speaker 6 (02:19:51):
Well soon you as your conversations with its AI chatbot
to hit you up with personalized ads.

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Charlotte North explains metter is taking another step towards it
see vision of an AI augmented future. From December sixteenth,
Meta Ai will mind chatbook conversations to determine which ads
and recommendations show up in your feed, While users won't
be able to opt out, The company said that the
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(02:20:17):
Experts have raised concerns about Meta ai safeguarding for miners

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to report that ice Block was removed from the app store.
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Speaker 2 (02:20:53):
You are listening to Michigan's Big Show starring Michael Patrick
shields in Today. For MPs it is Kyle Malin of
Murrs News. The opening bell rings this morning after stocks
close mixed on Friday to close out the trading week.
The three major indexes hit all time highs earlier in
the session, while the Dow, Jones Industrial Average and SMP

(02:21:14):
five hundred both closed at record highs. Declines in Tesla
and the video weigh on markets as the Senate rejected
bills aimed at ending the government shutdown. At the closing bell,
the Dow gained two hundred and thirty eight points to
forty six seven to fifty eight, the SMP five hundred
rose fraction of a point two sixty seven to fifteen,
and the Nasdaq lost sixty three points to twenty two

(02:21:37):
seven eighty. Coming up in the business week ahead, the
ongoing government shutdown will play a role in the data
that's released. The latest reading on the US trade deficit
will normally come out on Tuesday, but that's being delayed.
Minutes from the Federal Reserve September meeting will be released
the following day. The minutes provide critical insight into the

(02:21:59):
Central bank thinking on interest rates, but they're not considered
official economic data, so they should come out as normal.
Thursday's weekly jobless claims will be held back without resolution
of the shutdown, but investors will hear from FED Chair
Jerome Powell as he delivers remarks to a banking conference
in the Sea. The week wraps up with consumer sentiment

(02:22:22):
data on Friday that is released through the University of Michigan,
so the shutdown will not affect any of that. As
far as earnings go, things are relatively quiet today as
we await quarter through reporting coming up this month. Noteworthy
this week, however, our Delta Airlines and Pepsi both do
to announce results on Thursday. National Economic Director Kevin Hassett

(02:22:47):
confirms layoffs could be on the horizon amid the ongoing
government shutdown. During an appearance on CNN's State of the Union.
Has It said the decision could be forced if talks
continue to stall. Has It called on Democratic lawmakers to
show leadership and make a deal to end the shutdown.
Is comments come as President Trump has already promised federal

(02:23:09):
layoffs and said he would use the shutdown to decide
which Democratic agencies to close. This is Michigan's big show
starring Michael Patrick Shields. You can always find us on
our website MIBiG show dot com. Pick and choose through
any of the interviews you may have missed. They are
all right there for you. Heck, you can even listen

(02:23:30):
to the show in its entiretymibig show dot com.

Speaker 6 (02:23:52):
NBC News Radio, I'm Markmeyfield. Secretary of State Marco Rubio
says speed is paramount when it comes to a deal
to end the war in Gaza. Appearing on ABC's This Week,
Rubio said, this is not something that can continue to
drag out.

Speaker 13 (02:24:06):

Speaker 6 (02:24:17):
Trump added the Sea Square will be immediately effective and

(02:24:39):
be used in Portland. When President Trump ordered California Guard
troops to deploy in Portland, Oregon filed an amended motion
This would also cover Texas National Guards troops called up

(02:25:00):
in business.

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Tammy True Heel has details.

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of support. Right eight has struggled financially in recent years.
September of twenty twenty four. The company at that time

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to Vermont.

Speaker 32 (02:25:30):
I'm Tammy Triheo.

Speaker 6 (02:25:31):
the university's homecoming celebrations Polis. One person was killed and

Speaker 12 (02:25:48):
rules come after cases of radio whack of contamination were
detected last month. In a post on its website, the
FDA says it will implement the import certification requirements from

(02:26:09):
certain regions of Indonesia starting October thirty first, a tool
developed in medicine Wisconsin is helping Americans better access healthcare.
It maps health disparities. It's called the Area Deprivation Index.
It was invented at UW. Madison and it uses income, housing, education,

(02:26:30):
and employment data to see what kind of impact it
has on health. It's helping medicare beneficiaries from under resource communities,
and it could mean new resources for hospitals and communities
that need the most health update. I'm Sarah Lee Kessler.

Speaker 4 (02:26:55):
I'm Kyle Malnn, editor of the Murrs newsletter. First of all,
happy birthday to the world's oldest man. He celebrated another birthday.
Brazil's zawaw Net two turned one hundred and thirteen on Sunday.
He's the oldest man, but not the oldest person. That

(02:27:15):
distinction goes to Ethel Catherine Ham from the United Kingdom.
She is ae hundred and sixteen years old, apparently the
oldest man. This is wow. Sent Ethel Katherham a birthday
card back in August when she turned one hundred and sixteen.
I don't know if she returned the favor or not.
This little brief doesn't tell us that. All right, here's

(02:27:38):
a subject that never gets old, talking about fantasy football,
and I get a lot of advice from our next guest,
the chair of the Michigan Democratic Party, Curtis er Tel.
How'd your team do? Did you win this week? Or not?

Speaker 11 (02:27:52):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (02:27:52):
Yeah, I mean I forgot tonight to worry about, but
currently have a lead.

Speaker 4 (02:27:58):
All right, Well that's good.

Speaker 19 (02:27:59):
Well, I've got the root against Patrick Mahomes never never
a fun place to be in.

Speaker 4 (02:28:04):
Oh that's tough. So what limiting him to? What maybe
one touchdown throw? That's all you that's all you got?

Speaker 17 (02:28:10):
H Yeah, I mean I think I think as long
as I keep him under two, he needs like twenty
five points, So I mean I should be in decent shape.

Speaker 3 (02:28:19):
All right.

Speaker 4 (02:28:20):
Well, unfortunately my team is going to suffer another loss.
I had Lamar Jackson, and of course he's got the
hamstring injury, so I had to sit him, and instead
I brought up Dylan Gabriel. I mean, this is how
thin our waiver wire is. Oh, I had to start
Dylan Gabriel. I didn't have to, but I thought, you know,
why not, I'll roll the dice. Well, you know, he
threw two touchdown passes. I mean he did. Okay, he

(02:28:42):
actually did as well as my opponent's quarterback. But the
guy I was playing has no injuries on his team,
whereas I have Jwan Jennings. He's on the bench. Terry
Terry McCollough from the Washington Commanders, He's on the bench
with injuries. So my team is not strong right now. Curtis,

(02:29:02):
I got to confess, Well.

Speaker 19 (02:29:04):
I'm sure everyone across the state is happy to hear
about your fantasy football team. Uh, you know, if we're
going to import uh, you know, the tariffs may have
made trade pretty bad, but you know the idea that
we're trading to London, the you know, the Vikings and
the Browns, you know, I mean that's a pretty bad import,

(02:29:26):
I will say.

Speaker 4 (02:29:27):
I mean the Browns were the starting of starting their
backup quarterback and the Minnesota starting their backup quarterback too. Yeah,
wasn't that the most compelling paper?

Speaker 19 (02:29:37):
It was not a not a great matchup to be
showcasing NFL football a broad.

Speaker 4 (02:29:44):
That's for sure. Well, how long do you think this
national government shutdown is going to last? Curse?

Speaker 17 (02:29:50):
Well, listen, I hope Republicans will come to the table
and negotiate.

Speaker 19 (02:29:54):
I mean, here's the thing. We're fighting to make sure
that healthcare is affordable for people. We know, the premiums
for the affordable character about the skyrocket, which will make
everybody's premiums go up across the country. And to make
sure that people have access to you know, reasonable cost
healthcare in America. What they're fighting for is to keep

(02:30:17):
the tax cuts for millionaires and millionaires, and if that
is a choice, I think that I'm proud that Democrats
are standing up on the right side of that choice.
And all they have to do is sit negotiate. The
day of the shutdown, every House Democrat was sitting in
the chamber, you know, I saw Tom Barrett sitting at
Sultan's you know, so, I mean in Lansing. So I

(02:30:41):
would I would suggest that they go and get to
work and then we actually sit down and negotiate a
budget moving forward, a budget resolution moving forward. But I'm
you know, I'm tired of you know, I'm tired of Democrats.

Speaker 3 (02:30:57):
Not standing up.

Speaker 19 (02:30:58):
This is good, This is a good Thingmocrats are standing
up and fighting back for the American people. I think
it's what people want to see. I think it's what
has to happen. And you know, all they have to
do is sit down, work together and figure it out.
That's that's how we do everything in America.

Speaker 4 (02:31:16):
What what what would you like to see as far
as a deal on healthcare? What are you hoping to
see get?

Speaker 19 (02:31:25):
I think yeah, at the very least, we should be
restoring the premiums that the premium assistance that was available
to people. We know that if we don't, that will
cost millions of people across this country to lose their
access to healthcare. When they lose access to healthcare, it

(02:31:46):
puts our rural hospitals at risk, and it means all
of our premiums go up. And so we lived in
a time when healthcare was the number one cause of
bankruptcy in America. The Affordable Care Act stop that from happening.
And they don't, you know, I think that's been two
weeks since you know, President Trump was going.

Speaker 3 (02:32:08):
To put out a.

Speaker 19 (02:32:11):
Rival health care plan, and that was eight years ago,
and there've been a lot of two weeks in between
those times. And since he doesn't actually want to put
together another proposal on the table, we have to continue
to fund the premiums to the Affordable Care The premium
sistance is an Affordable Care Act to make sure that
healthcare is affordable in this country. And that is that

(02:32:32):
is the choices that we have available to us, and
they have. All they have to do is sit down,
and I think at that point we're more than willing
to have a conversation and be reasonable. But to be clear,
the budget that they've passed, the Big Beautiful Bill or
whatever we want to call it, cut food from people,
cut healthcare from assistance from people, and gave tax that's

(02:32:55):
to the richest people in this country. And I don't
think that Besi de Bost needs another yacht or Dazos
needs another fifty million dollar wedding in Europe. I think
that money would better be spent on making sure that
all people have access to good quality care and also
that the rest of us our premiums don't go up
and then we don't have hospital closures across the state,

(02:33:17):
which we're already seeing hospitals in real trouble in Michigan
because of the actions that we're taking.

Speaker 4 (02:33:22):
Well, I'm glad you mentioned the way that we could
pay for the healthcare premium assistance that you're talking about.
Because the national debt we're up to thirty seven trillion dollars, Curtis,
how do we scale that back?

Speaker 19 (02:33:36):
Well, again, the Big Beautiful Bill made that worse. I mean,
you know, I mean I there was a time in
this country where we had real debates about fiscal responsibility
and they didn't solve that. They are spending.

Speaker 17 (02:33:54):
Huge amounts of money on increases in spending while they
also are giving task cuts to the people in this
country who needed the least. So you know, at that point,
I think you have to have a real conversation about it.
Is if they want to be you know, if we
want to have a discussion about fiscal responsibility, that's a

(02:34:15):
reasonable thing to do. You can't increase costs, cut care
to people and also give task cuts to the richest
people in the country. That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 4 (02:34:26):
And you're having a press conference zone later today to
talk about this further. You got the House Democratic Leader
run jief Pori coming in, also got a veteran coming
in to talk about this. How long do you think
this government shut down can last though, before the public
pushes back and says, yeah, I mean, we'd like to

(02:34:47):
have these healthcare initiatives, but you know what, we kind
of like to get our government funded too.

Speaker 17 (02:34:53):
Well.

Speaker 19 (02:34:54):
I think that is certainly true. And again, but I
think when you talk to most people, if you say,
do you think that Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos need
more money or we can provide healthcare assistance to all
Americans to keep the actual cost of healthcare in this

(02:35:14):
country lower, I think the decision point is fairly easy.
So this idea that this is Republicans control everything. They
have the Presidency, the Senate, at the House. All they
have to do at the end of the day is
sit down and negotiate and this thing can get done.

Speaker 4 (02:35:32):
All right, Well, we'll see if they can do that.
We appreciate you bringing this matter to our attention. Curtis
er Tell, Junior, the Michigan Democratic Party chair and former
State Center you're listening to Michigan's Big Show. Sorry, Michael
Patrick Shields. I'm Kyle Willen filling in with Tony Kuppery.

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