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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Radio stations across the state of Michigan worldwide. Atmibig show
dot com. You're listening to Michael Patrick Shields. And there's
another Michael on the line right now, one that you're
very familiar with over the years. He was attorney general
and ran for governor. His name is Mike Cox and
he's running for governor again. Putting his helmet in the ring.
Thank you for being here and good to talk to
(00:43):
you again, and welcome back to the program.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hey, Michael Patrick, great to be on. Thank you for
having me.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Also, thank you for your service to our country. We
have to kind of reintroduce you to everyone once again.
Even though you know you're very well known. All they
have to do is Google you, and they can find
all kinds of fun stuff, can't they.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
They can. Some of it I like and others I don't.
But yeah, as you said, I was attorney general. I
won the closest state wide race in one hundred years,
and I did some big things as attorney general. And
then I went on and did some big things in
the Naser case and the doctor Anderson case. And I've
(01:24):
been pretty fortunate to grow up here in Michigan during
the good times, but those times have left us, and
quite frankly, that's why I'm running.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
When was the moment that you said, you know what,
I think I'm going to get back in because it's
a big it's a big decision because it consumes your
life and the lives of your family.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
As you well know, it really was about three years ago.
It kind of came post COVID and my granddaughters live
in Hernando, Mississippi. And I remember when my daughter moved there,
and she was a marine just like I was. When
she left the rash, she got married and she met
(02:05):
a guy from Mississippi. They moved there, and my wife
and I hated the idea because primarily because we told
her her kids could never get educated there. At that time,
they were the second worst in the country in fourth
grade reading and Michael Patrick lo and behold now twelve
years later, they're the nice best and Michigan is at
(02:25):
the very bottom forty eighth. And that is a moral shame.
It shouldn't be the case that my granddaughters in Mississippi
get a better education the kids in my neighborhood in Lavonia,
Michigan or Williamston or you picked the city and that
needs a change.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
You know, there's a lot of class warfare that still
goes on, and sometimes to sixty six can be misleading.
Let's take the Washington Post for instance. They're talking about
Earon Musk and the Tesla shareholders approved a big pay
package of trillion dollars for Elon Musk over the next
ten year. They decided to say that Elon Musk is
going to make more than every US elementary teacher combined.
(03:08):
I'm not sure that you know is apples and oranges necessarily,
But one thing that is undeniable is that the students
in Michigan are not getting properly educated. And that is
science according to what we have seen. And under this governor,
there was a fourth grade reading rule that was dispensed
of which I still can't understand why, because parents were
(03:30):
allowed to opt out of that if they wanted to.
But if you say you're the education candidate, and a
lot of candidates do, how can this be finally fixed
once and for all our candidate?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It absolutely can't. Look. I have a granddaughter's a fresh
woman at old Myths, and when she was in first grade,
Mississippi decided to create a third grade reading law retention law,
just like Governor Snyder did emphasized ponic, make sure every
K through third grade teacher taught phonics the same way,
(04:05):
provide tutors coaching for teachers whose students were failing, and
they stuck to it. They had consistency. You know, those
are really pretty simple ideas, fundamental ideas, but they were
consistent and that has made all the difference in the world.
Governor Snyder, who you know, He and I battled way
(04:25):
back when when I ran for governor against him, but
he created a great law for third grade reading retention,
and it was hollowed out by Governor Whitmer and the legislature.
And the result is that my grandchildren have shot ahead
of Michigan kids. The Michigan kids have dropped behind, not
because they're not as smart, but simply because the adults
(04:46):
in the room haven't owned up and provided leadership. And
Michael Patrick, that's the whole difference. Leadership. And that's one
thing I learned as a nineteen year old squad leader
in the Marine Corps in thirteen years in the Wayne
County Prosecutor's office, eventually running all BA homicide prosecutions under
a Democrat and then onto a Attorney general and then
(05:07):
leading litigation against the University of Michigan. Is building teams,
prioritizing and taking on big problems. And in my mind,
we should be laser focused on two things, the economy
and education, and everything that I do as governor will
be focused on does this make the economy better? Does
this make education better? If it doesn't, you know, quite frankly,
(05:30):
I'm going to trash can it. And if it does,
I'm going to support it and push it, and I'm
going to argue for it, and I'm going to get
it enacted.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And I'm just reviewing your bio here. Laura, your wife,
who we know very well too, was a special agent
with ICE before Ice was Ice, before we knew anything
about it back in the day. Huh, she was before
her time on that one.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
She absolutely was. You know, we met, she was undercover,
and she wouldn't get me her last name. But I
hung in there and I dated this unknown last this
Laura with the last name unknown, and it worked out okay,
in fact, yesterday with thirty one years of marriage, So
thank god I did that. But You're right, she was.
(06:14):
You know, it's in our DNA. I was a prosecutor.
She was a federal cop. And you know, part part
of the agenda is really providing the fundamentals that we
need to make Michigan grow. You know, safe streets, great educations,
an opportunity for jobs. You know. Uh, you know, folks,
my age kids I coached in hy soccer and cyl basketball. Too,
(06:38):
many of those kids now in their mid to late
twenties aren't getting opportunities they deserve. Here. We beef up
the education system, we make it top five in the
country again, and we unleash the power of the Michigan citizens.
That is, you know, get government off their back, you know,
eliminate the income tax. I'm the only candidate who's calling
(07:01):
for that completely, and attack the hidden tacks of over regulation.
We can turn our state around. You know. And I
think I'm unique. I know I'm unique, and that I'm
the only one who successfully run a state department. In fact,
I had to cut the headcount by over twenty one percent,
even though our caseload went up. We did it. We succeeded.
(07:23):
And then I went out and succeeded in the private sector.
And so if folks want someone who can get stuff,
I was about to say that other word, get stuff done.
I'm their guy.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, it's fashionable to use little peppery language these days.
The current governor does it. For sure. I find in
the last minute that we have before we speak again,
there's some irony to the fact that, although you said
it was at the time quote absolute bs, there was
the former Detroit mayor that you got and you had
to dispense with and deal with back in the day.
(07:56):
And you got another former mayor now who might be
on the ballot, will be on the ballot. I guess
in the general election you can't escape these Detroit mayors.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
That's okay. I'm ready to take on Jocelyn Benson and
her Democratic alternative, Mike Duggan. And I know that the
Republican message next year, focus on education, focus on the economy,
focus on leadership, is going to prevail and Michigan will
be great once again.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Can you restore right to work?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Absolutely? Absolutely? You know my brother in law, you know,
built f one fifties yesterday afternoon's second shift if dearborn truck.
My dad was a union carpenter. I've been in two
unions and all those since it says no one ever
asked us if we could, if we could join, or
(08:50):
whether we want to join. It's about worker freedom, but
Michael Patrick, you know this because you travel the country.
It's also about job attraction.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
You'll have the choice to vote for Mike Cox.
Radio stations across the state of Michigan worldwide. Atmibig show
dot com. You're listening to Michael Patrick Shields. And there's
another Michael on the line right now, one that you're
very familiar with over the years. He was attorney general
and ran for governor. His name is Mike Cox and
he's running for governor again. Putting his helmet in the ring.
Thank you for being here and good to talk to
(00:43):
you again, and welcome back to the program.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hey, Michael Patrick, great to be on. Thank you for
having me.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Also, thank you for your service to our country. We
have to kind of reintroduce you to everyone once again.
Even though you know you're very well known. All they
have to do is Google you, and they can find
all kinds of fun stuff, can't they.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
They can. Some of it I like and others I don't.
But yeah, as you said, I was attorney general. I
won the closest state wide race in one hundred years,
and I did some big things as attorney general. And
then I went on and did some big things in
the Naser case and the doctor Anderson case. And I've
(01:24):
been pretty fortunate to grow up here in Michigan during
the good times, but those times have left us, and
quite frankly, that's why I'm running.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
When was the moment that you said, you know what,
I think I'm going to get back in because it's
a big it's a big decision because it consumes your
life and the lives of your family.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
As you well know, it really was about three years ago.
It kind of came post COVID and my granddaughters live
in Hernando, Mississippi. And I remember when my daughter moved there,
and she was a marine just like I was. When
she left the rash, she got married and she met
(02:05):
a guy from Mississippi. They moved there, and my wife
and I hated the idea because primarily because we told
her her kids could never get educated there. At that time,
they were the second worst in the country in fourth
grade reading and Michael Patrick lo and behold now twelve
years later, they're the nice best and Michigan is at
(02:25):
the very bottom forty eighth. And that is a moral shame.
It shouldn't be the case that my granddaughters in Mississippi
get a better education the kids in my neighborhood in Lavonia,
Michigan or Williamston or you picked the city and that
needs a change.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
You know, there's a lot of class warfare that still
goes on, and sometimes to sixty six can be misleading.
Let's take the Washington Post for instance. They're talking about
Earon Musk and the Tesla shareholders approved a big pay
package of trillion dollars for Elon Musk over the next
ten year. They decided to say that Elon Musk is
going to make more than every US elementary teacher combined.
(03:08):
I'm not sure that you know is apples and oranges necessarily,
But one thing that is undeniable is that the students
in Michigan are not getting properly educated. And that is
science according to what we have seen. And under this governor,
there was a fourth grade reading rule that was dispensed
of which I still can't understand why, because parents were
(03:30):
allowed to opt out of that if they wanted to.
But if you say you're the education candidate, and a
lot of candidates do, how can this be finally fixed
once and for all our candidate?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It absolutely can't. Look. I have a granddaughter's a fresh
woman at old Myths, and when she was in first grade,
Mississippi decided to create a third grade reading law retention law,
just like Governor Snyder did emphasized ponic, make sure every
K through third grade teacher taught phonics the same way,
(04:05):
provide tutors coaching for teachers whose students were failing, and
they stuck to it. They had consistency. You know, those
are really pretty simple ideas, fundamental ideas, but they were
consistent and that has made all the difference in the world.
Governor Snyder, who you know, He and I battled way
(04:25):
back when when I ran for governor against him, but
he created a great law for third grade reading retention,
and it was hollowed out by Governor Whitmer and the legislature.
And the result is that my grandchildren have shot ahead
of Michigan kids. The Michigan kids have dropped behind, not
because they're not as smart, but simply because the adults
(04:46):
in the room haven't owned up and provided leadership. And
Michael Patrick, that's the whole difference. Leadership. And that's one
thing I learned as a nineteen year old squad leader
in the Marine Corps in thirteen years in the Wayne
County Prosecutor's office, eventually running all BA homicide prosecutions under
a Democrat and then onto a Attorney general and then
(05:07):
leading litigation against the University of Michigan. Is building teams,
prioritizing and taking on big problems. And in my mind,
we should be laser focused on two things, the economy
and education, and everything that I do as governor will
be focused on does this make the economy better? Does
this make education better? If it doesn't, you know, quite frankly,
(05:30):
I'm going to trash can it. And if it does,
I'm going to support it and push it, and I'm
going to argue for it, and I'm going to get
it enacted.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And I'm just reviewing your bio here. Laura, your wife,
who we know very well too, was a special agent
with ICE before Ice was Ice, before we knew anything
about it back in the day. Huh, she was before
her time on that one.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
She absolutely was. You know, we met, she was undercover,
and she wouldn't get me her last name. But I
hung in there and I dated this unknown last this
Laura with the last name unknown, and it worked out okay,
in fact, yesterday with thirty one years of marriage, So
thank god I did that. But You're right, she was.
(06:14):
You know, it's in our DNA. I was a prosecutor.
She was a federal cop. And you know, part part
of the agenda is really providing the fundamentals that we
need to make Michigan grow. You know, safe streets, great educations,
an opportunity for jobs. You know. Uh, you know, folks,
my age kids I coached in hy soccer and cyl basketball. Too,
(06:38):
many of those kids now in their mid to late
twenties aren't getting opportunities they deserve. Here. We beef up
the education system, we make it top five in the
country again, and we unleash the power of the Michigan citizens.
That is, you know, get government off their back, you know,
eliminate the income tax. I'm the only candidate who's calling
(07:01):
for that completely, and attack the hidden tacks of over regulation.
We can turn our state around. You know. And I
think I'm unique. I know I'm unique, and that I'm
the only one who successfully run a state department. In fact,
I had to cut the headcount by over twenty one percent,
even though our caseload went up. We did it. We succeeded.
(07:23):
And then I went out and succeeded in the private sector.
And so if folks want someone who can get stuff,
I was about to say that other word, get stuff done.
I'm their guy.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, it's fashionable to use little peppery language these days.
The current governor does it. For sure. I find in
the last minute that we have before we speak again,
there's some irony to the fact that, although you said
it was at the time quote absolute bs, there was
the former Detroit mayor that you got and you had
to dispense with and deal with back in the day.
(07:56):
And you got another former mayor now who might be
on the ballot, will be on the ballot. I guess
in the general election you can't escape these Detroit mayors.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
That's okay. I'm ready to take on Jocelyn Benson and
her Democratic alternative, Mike Duggan. And I know that the
Republican message next year, focus on education, focus on the economy,
focus on leadership, is going to prevail and Michigan will
be great once again.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Can you restore right to work?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Absolutely? Absolutely? You know my brother in law, you know,
built f one fifties yesterday afternoon's second shift if dearborn truck.
My dad was a union carpenter. I've been in two
unions and all those since it says no one ever
asked us if we could, if we could join, or
(08:50):
whether we want to join. It's about worker freedom, but
Michael Patrick, you know this because you travel the country.
It's also about job attraction.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
You'll have the choice to vote for Mike Cox.
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