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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Show him God, show him what a god we.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Get shame.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
See that poker face is one of those phrases that
comes from the game that has sort of went into
pop culture and it has meaning beyond the game. Poker
has its own language. And to try to sort through that,
Nick Clark is with us the poker shift manager at
fire Keepers Casino with me Michael Patrick Shields. Fire Keepers,
as you know, is on nine ninety four right where
(00:49):
sixty nine crosses in. They have all sorts of other games,
but the poker room kind of an intriguing place with
intriguing people. And I mean poker even is on TV
now like a sport, and you see some people very serious,
you see some people a little more casual. You see
poker going on there. And so I want to ask
Nick Clark about some of these phrases that have sort
(01:10):
of made their way into the lexicon. Thank you for
being here and welcome to the program.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Hello, how are you?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
What is the what does it mean to bluff?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
To bluff would be, you know, when you're betting without anything,
when you you don't have a good hand, but you're
betting that your opponent will fold, betting that they don't
have a good hand also.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So you kind of trick them into thinking you've got
something when you really don't. Right, right, What is meant
by all in? Because we hear that in business, we
hear it in poker, we hear it in relationships. When
you're all in, what is that? Well?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
In poker, you only have a set of mountain in
front of you. You can't pull you know, more money
out of your pocket when you when you run out
of chips, So all in would be one when you're
betting all of your chips that you have on the table,
whatever is in front of you.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
It's dramatic, isn't it. You push them all out there
and it's it's do or die at that stage, right, Yes, yes,
very dramatic. Speaking of do or die, this is an
old phrase from poker. But dead man's hand.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That ace eight is known as the dead man's hand,
the hand that they say wild Bill was holding when
he was shot and dead would.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
So if you get aces and eights, you've got the
dead man's hand. You can win with that though.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Still right, yeah, depending on what's out there.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
That's the trick of it. You don't know until you see.
Maybe sometimes the flop what is the flop?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
So in Texas Hold Them, the dealer puts out five
community cards. Those are the cards that everybody shares. The
first three cards of that of those five cards are
called the flop. That's the first street of betting.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And that's followed by the river. Is that right?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Nope? The flop is followed by the turn, which is
the fourth card. There would be another street of betting
after that, and then the river is the final card
of the board.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I wonder why it's called the river.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Honestly, to tell you the truth, I don't know. I've
never looked that one up.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I know it's fun.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Though.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Texas Hold Them is the game really that is mainly
played at the fire Keeper's casino room? Is that right?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah? For the most part it's Texas Hold Them. We
also play a game called Pot Limit Omaha. So Omaha
is basically Texas Hold Them, except for you get four
cards in your hand instead of two, and you have
to use two cards out of your hand and three
cards on the board.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
When you talk about Texas and Omaha, what you know
we see poker in a lot of Western movies. Is
that why those games aren't named that? Do you think.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, you know, poker originated out in the Old West,
and a lot of those you know poker players are
original poker players that invented the games and stuff are
from those areas.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I think the first time I ever saw poker in
a movie was in a Dean Martin movie called Seven
Cards Stud. But that's not played in casinos, or at
least not at fire Keepers, is it? Or is it?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Occasionally we do get a game of seven Card Stud.
It's not a regular game that doesn't happen every day
or even every week, but yeah, occasionally we do get
a game.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
What is meant by the bad beat or the bad
beat jackpot?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Actually fire Keepers no longer runs a bad beat jackpot,
but no, But what a bad beat is is most
places will set a qualifier, so something that would be
really hard to get beat with. Usually it's quads, so
you know, four of a kind, but some places it
(05:15):
could be you know, just a full house, like aces
full of kings. So if you have one of those,
you know you have that hand or better, let's say
the room's qualifiers aces full of kings. If I have
aces full of kings or better and I still lose
the hand, I would win the bad beat jackpot.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
What would you say? And of course it's not. I
mean it depends greatly. But what is a decent hand
where you should stay in with and maybe the opposite,
you know, when should you fold?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It all depends on what you're playing. There's different variations
of poker. We have live cash games, which is in
every chip is worth a set dollar amount and you
can sit down and play one hand, or you could
play for two days if you wanted to. Or we
have tournaments which tournament chips are not cash value chips.
(06:13):
You can't go up to the window and cash them.
Ount You're trying to play down to the end and
whoever has all the chips at the end is going
to win. So it's more of a situational thing. But
I mean there are obviously stronger starting hands. Most people
like to, you know, wait for like an ace ten
or you know an ace jack Ace queen, Ace king
(06:35):
or possibly a pair.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
What is and I understand this is coming in November,
the Black Chip Bounty.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
So the Black Chip Bounty is a poker tournament that
we run. It's a three hundred dollars buy in. It's Saturday,
November first at twelve o'clock. Again, that's a three hundred
dollars buy in, and that's a bounty tournament. So every
time you not somebody out, you would get their bounty.
Every time you take all of their chips, you would
get their bounty, and their bounty is worth one hundred dollars,
(07:07):
So every time you knock somebody out, you're getting one
hundred dollars. And then there's also you know, a prize
pool at the end for the top twelve percent of
our field. So you know, if we get one hundred players,
we're paying twelve players a prize. That players start with
twenty five thousand chips, and the blinds go up every
(07:30):
thirty minutes, so when you sit down, you know, it's
one price to play poker, and then in thirty minutes,
the blinds go up and the price gets more, you know,
gets higher, and then every thirty minutes that continues to
happen till eventually it forces everybody to get those chips
in the pot, because in a tournament, you're trying to
play down and see who gets all the chips at
(07:52):
the end.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
That's savage for sure. We won't get into what a
blind mean because it takes too long, probably to explain
it the minute left. But for people who want to
play and are maybe intimidated, you have special tournaments that
are specifically for ladies, let's say, and seniors.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, that's correct. Saturday November fifteenth at twelve pm, we
have our next ladies tournament. That's one hundred dollars buy in,
and that is ladies only, Saturday November fifteenth at twelfth pm.
And then our seniors tournament is Saturday November twenty second
at twelve pm. That's one hundred dollars buy in. And
a lot of people might be shocked by this, but
(08:33):
the age requirement for our seniors tournament is fifty years old.
That's kind of a standard in the poker community.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I qualify, could come in.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I'm only ten years away. I just turned forty the
other day, so.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Hey, happy birthday and what a way to celebrate at
fire keepers and playing poker. If you get in a tournament,
you limit your losses and try it out sometime soon.
Thank you, Nick Clark. Have you ever wondered why health
insurance costs seem to keep going up? I was doing
some research online and I stumbled upon some surprising information
on Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan's websitemibluedaily dot com
(09:12):
slash affordability. I was surprised to learn that the cost
Blue Cross pays for prescription drugs rose by a staggering
fifteen percent last year. Fifteen percent. That's five times higher
than inflation. It's no wonder healthcare costs or a concern
for so many of us. That's why Blue Cross Blue
Shield of Michigan is working hard to help all of
us better understand the factors driving up healthcare costs and
(09:35):
sharing what they are doing. Is a business to address it.
Because Blue Cross knows that healthcare is personal, it needs
to work for everyone, and affordability matters. So I encourage
you to take a minute and check OUTMI blue Daily
dot com slash affordability and get informed. You'll be glad
you did. It's eye opening information that can help everyone
better understand the complexities of the healthcare system and its
(09:57):
impact on your health insurance costs. Michael Patrick shields here.
As you all know, I have fuzzy math, and I'm
at Dusty Cellar for my October six for sixty six
dollars wine club. And there's a surprise it's seven for
sixty six dollars, Matt Rhodes.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
As a thank you to all our loyal Wine Club
members and anyone who'd like to join, we're offering a
seventh bonus bottle with the club packs.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Do I get to choose the seventh bottle, We'll have.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
A number of option for you to choose, from being
red white or a sparkling wine.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I'm in for that. The club is still the same,
no cost to join, no commitments, and discounts on all
the beer and wine purchases.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
That's right, all the same benefits, just as you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
As long as I'm here, I think I'm going to
get a gift card for a client. How can those
be used at Dusty's Matt.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Nice thing about gift cards. They can redeemed here in
the cellar for any retail purchase and also with the
tap room your local neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Club seven for sixty six in October. For the Wine Club,
it's Dusty Cellar on Grand River and Okamus online too
at Dustysellar dot com.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Cheers, Michael Patrick
Show him God, show him what a god we.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Get shame.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
See that poker face is one of those phrases that
comes from the game that has sort of went into
pop culture and it has meaning beyond the game. Poker
has its own language. And to try to sort through that,
Nick Clark is with us the poker shift manager at
fire Keepers Casino with me Michael Patrick Shields. Fire Keepers,
as you know, is on nine ninety four right where
(00:49):
sixty nine crosses in. They have all sorts of other games,
but the poker room kind of an intriguing place with
intriguing people. And I mean poker even is on TV
now like a sport, and you see some people very serious,
you see some people a little more casual. You see
poker going on there. And so I want to ask
Nick Clark about some of these phrases that have sort
(01:10):
of made their way into the lexicon. Thank you for
being here and welcome to the program.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Hello, how are you?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
What is the what does it mean to bluff?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
To bluff would be, you know, when you're betting without anything,
when you you don't have a good hand, but you're
betting that your opponent will fold, betting that they don't
have a good hand also.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So you kind of trick them into thinking you've got
something when you really don't. Right, right, What is meant
by all in? Because we hear that in business, we
hear it in poker, we hear it in relationships. When
you're all in, what is that? Well?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
In poker, you only have a set of mountain in
front of you. You can't pull you know, more money
out of your pocket when you when you run out
of chips, So all in would be one when you're
betting all of your chips that you have on the table,
whatever is in front of you.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
It's dramatic, isn't it. You push them all out there
and it's it's do or die at that stage, right, Yes, yes,
very dramatic. Speaking of do or die, this is an
old phrase from poker. But dead man's hand.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That ace eight is known as the dead man's hand,
the hand that they say wild Bill was holding when
he was shot and dead would.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
So if you get aces and eights, you've got the
dead man's hand. You can win with that though.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Still right, yeah, depending on what's out there.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
That's the trick of it. You don't know until you see.
Maybe sometimes the flop what is the flop?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
So in Texas Hold Them, the dealer puts out five
community cards. Those are the cards that everybody shares. The
first three cards of that of those five cards are
called the flop. That's the first street of betting.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And that's followed by the river. Is that right?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Nope? The flop is followed by the turn, which is
the fourth card. There would be another street of betting
after that, and then the river is the final card
of the board.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I wonder why it's called the river.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Honestly, to tell you the truth, I don't know. I've
never looked that one up.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I know it's fun.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Though.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Texas Hold Them is the game really that is mainly
played at the fire Keeper's casino room? Is that right?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah? For the most part it's Texas Hold Them. We
also play a game called Pot Limit Omaha. So Omaha
is basically Texas Hold Them, except for you get four
cards in your hand instead of two, and you have
to use two cards out of your hand and three
cards on the board.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
When you talk about Texas and Omaha, what you know
we see poker in a lot of Western movies. Is
that why those games aren't named that? Do you think.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, you know, poker originated out in the Old West,
and a lot of those you know poker players are
original poker players that invented the games and stuff are
from those areas.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I think the first time I ever saw poker in
a movie was in a Dean Martin movie called Seven
Cards Stud. But that's not played in casinos, or at
least not at fire Keepers, is it? Or is it?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Occasionally we do get a game of seven Card Stud.
It's not a regular game that doesn't happen every day
or even every week, but yeah, occasionally we do get
a game.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
What is meant by the bad beat or the bad
beat jackpot?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Actually fire Keepers no longer runs a bad beat jackpot,
but no, But what a bad beat is is most
places will set a qualifier, so something that would be
really hard to get beat with. Usually it's quads, so
you know, four of a kind, but some places it
(05:15):
could be you know, just a full house, like aces
full of kings. So if you have one of those,
you know you have that hand or better, let's say
the room's qualifiers aces full of kings. If I have
aces full of kings or better and I still lose
the hand, I would win the bad beat jackpot.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
What would you say? And of course it's not. I
mean it depends greatly. But what is a decent hand
where you should stay in with and maybe the opposite,
you know, when should you fold?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It all depends on what you're playing. There's different variations
of poker. We have live cash games, which is in
every chip is worth a set dollar amount and you
can sit down and play one hand, or you could
play for two days if you wanted to. Or we
have tournaments which tournament chips are not cash value chips.
(06:13):
You can't go up to the window and cash them.
Ount You're trying to play down to the end and
whoever has all the chips at the end is going
to win. So it's more of a situational thing. But
I mean there are obviously stronger starting hands. Most people
like to, you know, wait for like an ace ten
or you know an ace jack Ace queen, Ace king
(06:35):
or possibly a pair.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
What is and I understand this is coming in November,
the Black Chip Bounty.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
So the Black Chip Bounty is a poker tournament that
we run. It's a three hundred dollars buy in. It's Saturday,
November first at twelve o'clock. Again, that's a three hundred
dollars buy in, and that's a bounty tournament. So every
time you not somebody out, you would get their bounty.
Every time you take all of their chips, you would
get their bounty, and their bounty is worth one hundred dollars,
(07:07):
So every time you knock somebody out, you're getting one
hundred dollars. And then there's also you know, a prize
pool at the end for the top twelve percent of
our field. So you know, if we get one hundred players,
we're paying twelve players a prize. That players start with
twenty five thousand chips, and the blinds go up every
(07:30):
thirty minutes, so when you sit down, you know, it's
one price to play poker, and then in thirty minutes,
the blinds go up and the price gets more, you know,
gets higher, and then every thirty minutes that continues to
happen till eventually it forces everybody to get those chips
in the pot, because in a tournament, you're trying to
play down and see who gets all the chips at
(07:52):
the end.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
That's savage for sure. We won't get into what a
blind mean because it takes too long, probably to explain
it the minute left. But for people who want to
play and are maybe intimidated, you have special tournaments that
are specifically for ladies, let's say, and seniors.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, that's correct. Saturday November fifteenth at twelve pm, we
have our next ladies tournament. That's one hundred dollars buy in,
and that is ladies only, Saturday November fifteenth at twelfth pm.
And then our seniors tournament is Saturday November twenty second
at twelve pm. That's one hundred dollars buy in. And
a lot of people might be shocked by this, but
(08:33):
the age requirement for our seniors tournament is fifty years old.
That's kind of a standard in the poker community.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I qualify, could come in.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I'm only ten years away. I just turned forty the
other day, so.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Hey, happy birthday and what a way to celebrate at
fire keepers and playing poker. If you get in a tournament,
you limit your losses and try it out sometime soon.
Thank you, Nick Clark. Have you ever wondered why health
insurance costs seem to keep going up? I was doing
some research online and I stumbled upon some surprising information
on Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan's websitemibluedaily dot com
(09:12):
slash affordability. I was surprised to learn that the cost
Blue Cross pays for prescription drugs rose by a staggering
fifteen percent last year. Fifteen percent. That's five times higher
than inflation. It's no wonder healthcare costs or a concern
for so many of us. That's why Blue Cross Blue
Shield of Michigan is working hard to help all of
us better understand the factors driving up healthcare costs and
(09:35):
sharing what they are doing. Is a business to address it.
Because Blue Cross knows that healthcare is personal, it needs
to work for everyone, and affordability matters. So I encourage
you to take a minute and check OUTMI blue Daily
dot com slash affordability and get informed. You'll be glad
you did. It's eye opening information that can help everyone
better understand the complexities of the healthcare system and its
(09:57):
impact on your health insurance costs. Michael Patrick shields here.
As you all know, I have fuzzy math, and I'm
at Dusty Cellar for my October six for sixty six
dollars wine club. And there's a surprise it's seven for
sixty six dollars, Matt Rhodes.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
As a thank you to all our loyal Wine Club
members and anyone who'd like to join, we're offering a
seventh bonus bottle with the club packs.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Do I get to choose the seventh bottle, We'll have.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
A number of option for you to choose, from being
red white or a sparkling wine.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I'm in for that. The club is still the same,
no cost to join, no commitments, and discounts on all
the beer and wine purchases.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
That's right, all the same benefits, just as you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
As long as I'm here, I think I'm going to
get a gift card for a client. How can those
be used at Dusty's Matt.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Nice thing about gift cards. They can redeemed here in
the cellar for any retail purchase and also with the
tap room your local neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Club seven for sixty six in October. For the Wine Club,
it's Dusty Cellar on Grand River and Okamus online too
at Dustysellar dot com.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Cheers, Michael Patrick
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