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Speaker 1 (00:09):
God bless you. I love you, and I'll see you
at work tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
You've been hearing that voice on this program for as
long as I've been hosting it. Just about it because
it gives us motivation and makes us feel good. And
maybe you wondered, who is that voice? I recognize that voice. Well,
you're going to hear that voice live on the other
end of our AT and T line right now for
the very first time with me, Michael Patrick Shields. He
is Kwame Kilpatrick on our radio stage, our AT and
(00:35):
T line, and welcome to the program. What a pleasure
to meet you.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
It's a real pleasure to meet you too. But hearing
his voice, Michael Patrick, this is a this is a
great opportunity. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Well, I wish I had the pipes like you have.
You've got a super voice and your look at that
that laugh is infectious. And I know there are a
lot of people listening here in the Capitol on our
radio stations around the state who want to send their
best to you, people like Dennis much More and Tim Maguire,
who you were around when you were here in the
state legislature, and every time your name comes up over
(01:09):
the years with these people. They smile and they say
I really liked him.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Oh wow, you know, those are some great people. I
tell Dennis, I said, hey, I know he's still pushing
the gas.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I heard he's retired, but I don't believe it. Yeah,
I don't believe it. But yeah, I had great times
in Lansing. You know, that's the place where I cut
my teeth in politics. You know, I ran for office
at twenty five years old, went up there as a kid,
and those people there, you know, from Dennis and that
Tom Hoisington and much more and GCSI. But then you
(01:45):
had to Curtis her Tales and all the folks that
were in the legislature. It was a great time for me,
and I learned how to do policy and learn how
to write bals. I learned how to understand the appropriations
process and also what we're talking about today, this criminal
justice system. So I had a chance to find out
about how it was funded and find out how it
(02:06):
was led, and then because of issues of character, found
myself inside of one. And so now I have the
opportunity to, you know, to help somebody else not go
the same route that I went, but also help Americans
understand how we just wasted money in this system.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, also got your law degree at Michigan State University.
So I hope you turned up at the peanut barrel
once in a while and had a little bit of fun.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I sure did. I sure did, yef you know that. Actually,
my I spent half of seventh grade, in all of
eighth grade and Lansing. I went to Dwight Rich Middle School.
My mom, as you know, was a state legislator and
in congresswoman, and I actually lived in Lansing for you know,
a little bit about a year and what happened. You know.
(02:53):
I used to ride my bike over there to uh,
you know, pinball peete. I know, if anybody remember that
place these and hang out, you know, that was you know,
Lansing was a great community. I'm sure it still is,
but it also is a place where I learned so
much about people and about politics.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You're always motivated. I noticed too. If you, if you
make a study of you as I have, because you're
a man with your own orbit that you weren't just
on the sports team in school. You were the captain
of the team. You were the youngest mayor in the
history of the City of Detroit. You were in the
legislative leadership, You were highly motivated and still are. It
sounds like too with this twenty percent project. It's open
(03:38):
source AI Foundation, and they've advised they've named you to
the advisory board member. As you say, for that project.
You're a member of that board, but you alluded to
it to yourself. So I'll ask you, what is it
like to spend twenty three hours a day in a
little room all by yourself?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
You know?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I spent more than that my last two hundred and
twenty five days in prison. We're in solitary confinement, so
I was in there twenty four hours a day. We
got showers three times a week. I ate my food
through a little slot in the door, and it was
I'm about to probably mixed up people at that particular
(04:20):
time in my life. It was the most free I've
ever been. I started out my prison experience in the
same situation for five weeks when I first got there,
where everybody only knew Sami leave. I went into a
maximum security prison and I went to solitary confinement for
five weeks. Now it was tortured in It was the
worst thing ever I'd never been locked up like that.
(04:42):
It was I was trying. You couldn't get a phone call,
but every thirty days, I was losing my mind. But
you know, fast forward nearly, you know, eight years later,
it was the most freeing experience because that's one of
the issues. You learn to conform the environment around you.
You learn, you know, to succeed even in that environment.
(05:05):
And so it became a college campus for me. I
read several books, I wrote a book, you know, I exercised.
I was probably in the best shape of my life.
But at the same time, it helped me understand the mental, emotional,
and physical toil of imprisonment. And I saw a whole
lot of people losing that battle. And that's why I'm
(05:27):
working with open source AI.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Now, criminal justice reform is what you're up to, Pastor,
And I'm curious, did you find I guess you just
sort of answered it, but did you find your experience?
Is prison supposed to be a punishment or a reform effort?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, originally it was to do both. It was the
three prong approach. It was punishment, it was learning what
you need to to be reformed, and then the last
thing was preparation for leaving. Those were the three prongs
that you're supposed to me to get. Those are the
three prongs that you have to write if you want
a communication or a party, and you have to show
(06:05):
that you've been substantially punished, that you've learned from your mistakes,
and that you're now prepared to come out because of
the programs that you took and everything. But within the
prison laws now there are no programs. If you have
a ged, that's pretty much all they got for you.
You know, it's become a haven where people have become
better criminals. I was there, you know, and I watched
(06:27):
people come in with you know, twenty two years old.
My first selling was eighteen years old and he had
a fifty seven year sentence. So when you think about it, now,
what hope does he have? He doesn't have any hope.
So this guy joins with a lot of other young
people and they end up being gang guys. They end
up in the prison causing a lot of trouble. You
(06:48):
got a lot of killings. I went to a prison
on May twenty fourth in twenty ten and July fourth
are some my first person get killed. And that trend
kind of goes on and on. The reform is gone,
the hope is gone, so the readiness for reentry is gone,
and so a lot of guys they get stuck in
that prison system. What Open source AI is doing is saying,
(07:10):
let's look at all the different issues that happen within
a prison and protect me the paperwork, how decisions are made,
and let's streamline some processes so people can start to
advance themselves to the system. So we could first bring
that hope back that is so critical. Michael Patrick, It's
an amazing thing to see a man lose hope. The
(07:32):
worst of humanity is seen when somebody lose the hope
of reconnecting with their children, their parents, their loved ones.
And then secondly, let's give people the skills so when
they come out they are better prepared to engage society.
Eighty five percent of the prison population is going to
turn over within five to ten years they're coming out.
(07:53):
The problem is we also have an almost seventy five
percent recidivism rate within three years. That means they're going
back within three years. But it sounds like paperwork until
you understand the way that they get back is by
harming somebody in society. And so what open source SAYI says,
let's understand this process that streamline it. Let's get people
and connect them to the programs that they need. Let's
(08:15):
do some things that are better. And then lastly, when
we think about victims of crime, I would think that
victims would be like, Okay, lock them up and throw
away the key. But seventy nine percent of victims of
crime across the spectrum of crimes from violent crimes to
drug crimes to property crimes, they say they would like
people to never have this experience that they had. So
(08:38):
if the person goes into prison, there should be something
there to help them become a better person. And so
when you put this kind of ideology together, you put
the over paperwork and draconian systems that are there. It
begs for technology to interface with this system.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
We'll continue with Kroonie Kilpatrick, former mayor now with Open
Source AI Foundation.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Hey, I just want to say thank you so much
as all his honor approviace to be all Yr Shelle.
I have finally arrived in mad it Man.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
It's official, Kwame Kilpatrick. Could you name that voice by
any chance that you just heard?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I said, not if he's playing again.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Let me give it to him one more time here.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Hey, I just want to say thank you so much
as all his honor approviace to be all Yr Shelle.
I have finally arrived in maated man, it's official.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Any chance? Who is that Coleman? Young?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Wow? That's something, you know. You know, I haven't heard
Coleman talk a lot, you know, I was gone doing
Coleman's talking. He said a little bit. His cadus is
like his dad though. I could hear that.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, it's a well. Politics is a family business for
the young and for the Kilpatricks, that's for sure. Have
you have you when you come back to Detroit? Because
are you living in Texas now or Georgia? Where are you?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
No, we moved back. We've we're back here. We've been
back here about six or seven months. We're here. We
we We're definitely back. We were. I was in Atlanta.
I was citing in Texas. A lot of people think
I was in Texas because I left. When I left
Detroit and the job, I moved to Texas. But since
i've been out, I've been in Georgia. I was in
I was there for three and a half years in Georgia,
(10:34):
just outside of Atlanta, and me and my wife and
my children, we just moved back to the tom Michigan.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
They have about seven people that want to be the
mayor of Detroit coming up in the election, and I wonder,
do you have what is it twenty thirty two circled
on your calendar? You can run again.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I do not, I do not. Come on, you know,
I was. I was humble to serve, you know. You know,
I think that my tremendous gifts in that job took
me to a place where my character and integrity took
me from and after meeting Jesus Christ in that place
(11:17):
called prison, all I want to do is help other
people realize their purpose and their dreams. And so last
week I spoke at the Mayor's conference in DC. It
was my first time being at a mayor's conference in
fifteen years, but I talked to them about the heat
of the light and their responsibility to be characters driven
represented the whole community. And so it's my thing now
(11:41):
is to whoever wins that race, is to be a
you know, a constant, confidant, a help and assistant, a
prayer warrior for that person. I don't have any nothing
in me wants to be mayor again.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Well, you know, Mike Duggan, you've been I know, I see,
we'll see. You've spent time in Lansing as a legislator obviously,
and in the city of Detroit. What about the idea
of Mike Dugan as an independent for governor.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I think it's the right time for it, for sure.
You know, I've been knowing Mike. You know, just everybody understands.
I was about fifteen years old. You know, my father
worked in the office right next door to Mike at
for the Wayne County exec at McNamara. So I think
Mike has done an incredible job in Detroit. I think
he took the blueprint and ran with it. I think
(12:34):
the support that he gets in Detroit from the business
community and it's surrounding you know, communities, has been remarkable.
And I think the time is right. I think people
in you know, in America period and maybe here in
Michigan just not beholding to either party but now listening
more to ideas and political positions than actual party. And
(12:58):
if it could be done, this is the right time.
I think it's gonna be an incredibly tough thing to
do in Michigan because the way we vote, in the
way that our system is structured, in type of state
that we have from the west to the southeast Michigan.
But if anybody is the right person to move that
process forward at this particular time, because politics is timing,
I said mcnamary one time, you know, he wanted he
(13:21):
was telling me I should run from mayor, and I said,
I'm too young. I'm too young. He said, politics is
three things, timing, timing, and timing. So this might be
that time. I believe that you're gonna have some strong
candidates from the Republican Party in the Democratic Party. But
if there's ever was a time for an accomplished political
(13:44):
CEO or public sector CEO to move forward in an
independent party, this is the time.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Did you think about Gil Hill when you saw the
latest Beverly Hills cop movie?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I did I think about Gil a lot. You know,
get was you know, we were cool? Uh you know,
I know that was the first person I ran against.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
But we were.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Pretty cool, uh, you know. And as a politician. I
didn't know him as a cop, but as a politician
he was somebody who I you know, I relied on
for information and opportunities and access, and so you know,
he told me he was gonna beat me in the
Marya's Race. I think about that we had. He called
(14:25):
me to a meeting with Charlie Williams and a whole
bunch of muckety MUCKs in the city at that time.
And I was thirty years old, so I couldn't be scared,
you know, go into the room. They're trying to muscle
me in, telling me you can't win this race, and
and I told him, man, I was gonna beat all y'all.
And he always reminded me of that young whippersnapper coming here,
tell you. So I think about that meeting, but I
(14:49):
think about how how cool we were. Even after that race.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I told Kelly Rossman, the late Kelly Rossman, who I'm
sure you remember, also ten years ago, I said, Tom,
he's going to be again someday, and she said, I
think you're smoking something. And this is before it was.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Maybe maybe Kelly was Kelly was a prophet.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That's right, we'll hold on, we'll see what happens. I
still believe it. And by the way, I'm a little
in the last minute that we have I'm a little weird,
and I think the Detroit mayor ought to stay at
four seasons and ought to drive a Lincoln Navigator suv,
and there ought to be some trappings because it's a
sacrifice to serve in that level, and at any level,
(15:32):
it's a tough job.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It's a tougher job for somebody from the city. This
the experiment of Mike Duggan just proved something else. You know,
he did not have the pressure from the citizen read it.
Every other mayor from that community is Hey, he just didn't.
When I when I got back, I watched the news,
he's kind of never on there unless he's announcing of
ribbon cutting or browdbreaking. You know, every other mayor hom
(15:58):
and young uh Dennis Archer, climate Killpatrick. You know, if
it was a kid killed on the East Side, they
were at our door. If it was something happening afire,
they were talking to us. Now the news, the attension
is arranged where they talk to the police, they talk
to the firefighters, they talked to the community advocate.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Well, hey, God bless you you're the hip hop pastor
now the former mayor of Detroit, and I'm happy to
call you a friend, and thank you for the time.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Hey, thank you Michael Patrick. I appreciate you. Let's do
something good about this criminal justice system.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Amen to that.
God bless you. I love you, and I'll see you
at work tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
You've been hearing that voice on this program for as
long as I've been hosting it. Just about it because
it gives us motivation and makes us feel good. And
maybe you wondered, who is that voice? I recognize that voice. Well,
you're going to hear that voice live on the other
end of our AT and T line right now for
the very first time with me, Michael Patrick Shields. He
is Kwame Kilpatrick on our radio stage, our AT and
(00:35):
T line, and welcome to the program. What a pleasure
to meet you.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
It's a real pleasure to meet you too. But hearing
his voice, Michael Patrick, this is a this is a
great opportunity. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Well, I wish I had the pipes like you have.
You've got a super voice and your look at that
that laugh is infectious. And I know there are a
lot of people listening here in the Capitol on our
radio stations around the state who want to send their
best to you, people like Dennis much More and Tim Maguire,
who you were around when you were here in the
state legislature, and every time your name comes up over
(01:09):
the years with these people. They smile and they say
I really liked him.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Oh wow, you know, those are some great people. I
tell Dennis, I said, hey, I know he's still pushing
the gas.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I heard he's retired, but I don't believe it. Yeah,
I don't believe it. But yeah, I had great times
in Lansing. You know, that's the place where I cut
my teeth in politics. You know, I ran for office
at twenty five years old, went up there as a kid,
and those people there, you know, from Dennis and that
Tom Hoisington and much more and GCSI. But then you
(01:45):
had to Curtis her Tales and all the folks that
were in the legislature. It was a great time for me,
and I learned how to do policy and learn how
to write bals. I learned how to understand the appropriations
process and also what we're talking about today, this criminal
justice system. So I had a chance to find out
about how it was funded and find out how it
(02:06):
was led, and then because of issues of character, found
myself inside of one. And so now I have the
opportunity to, you know, to help somebody else not go
the same route that I went, but also help Americans
understand how we just wasted money in this system.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, also got your law degree at Michigan State University.
So I hope you turned up at the peanut barrel
once in a while and had a little bit of fun.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I sure did. I sure did, yef you know that. Actually,
my I spent half of seventh grade, in all of
eighth grade and Lansing. I went to Dwight Rich Middle School.
My mom, as you know, was a state legislator and
in congresswoman, and I actually lived in Lansing for you know,
a little bit about a year and what happened. You know.
(02:53):
I used to ride my bike over there to uh,
you know, pinball peete. I know, if anybody remember that
place these and hang out, you know, that was you know,
Lansing was a great community. I'm sure it still is,
but it also is a place where I learned so
much about people and about politics.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You're always motivated. I noticed too. If you, if you
make a study of you as I have, because you're
a man with your own orbit that you weren't just
on the sports team in school. You were the captain
of the team. You were the youngest mayor in the
history of the City of Detroit. You were in the
legislative leadership, You were highly motivated and still are. It
sounds like too with this twenty percent project. It's open
(03:38):
source AI Foundation, and they've advised they've named you to
the advisory board member. As you say, for that project.
You're a member of that board, but you alluded to
it to yourself. So I'll ask you, what is it
like to spend twenty three hours a day in a
little room all by yourself?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
You know?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I spent more than that my last two hundred and
twenty five days in prison. We're in solitary confinement, so
I was in there twenty four hours a day. We
got showers three times a week. I ate my food
through a little slot in the door, and it was
I'm about to probably mixed up people at that particular
(04:20):
time in my life. It was the most free I've
ever been. I started out my prison experience in the
same situation for five weeks when I first got there,
where everybody only knew Sami leave. I went into a
maximum security prison and I went to solitary confinement for
five weeks. Now it was tortured in It was the
worst thing ever I'd never been locked up like that.
(04:42):
It was I was trying. You couldn't get a phone call,
but every thirty days, I was losing my mind. But
you know, fast forward nearly, you know, eight years later,
it was the most freeing experience because that's one of
the issues. You learn to conform the environment around you.
You learn, you know, to succeed even in that environment.
(05:05):
And so it became a college campus for me. I
read several books, I wrote a book, you know, I exercised.
I was probably in the best shape of my life.
But at the same time, it helped me understand the mental, emotional,
and physical toil of imprisonment. And I saw a whole
lot of people losing that battle. And that's why I'm
(05:27):
working with open source AI.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Now, criminal justice reform is what you're up to, Pastor,
And I'm curious, did you find I guess you just
sort of answered it, but did you find your experience?
Is prison supposed to be a punishment or a reform effort?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, originally it was to do both. It was the
three prong approach. It was punishment, it was learning what
you need to to be reformed, and then the last
thing was preparation for leaving. Those were the three prongs
that you're supposed to me to get. Those are the
three prongs that you have to write if you want
a communication or a party, and you have to show
(06:05):
that you've been substantially punished, that you've learned from your mistakes,
and that you're now prepared to come out because of
the programs that you took and everything. But within the
prison laws now there are no programs. If you have
a ged, that's pretty much all they got for you.
You know, it's become a haven where people have become
better criminals. I was there, you know, and I watched
(06:27):
people come in with you know, twenty two years old.
My first selling was eighteen years old and he had
a fifty seven year sentence. So when you think about it, now,
what hope does he have? He doesn't have any hope.
So this guy joins with a lot of other young
people and they end up being gang guys. They end
up in the prison causing a lot of trouble. You
(06:48):
got a lot of killings. I went to a prison
on May twenty fourth in twenty ten and July fourth
are some my first person get killed. And that trend
kind of goes on and on. The reform is gone,
the hope is gone, so the readiness for reentry is gone,
and so a lot of guys they get stuck in
that prison system. What Open source AI is doing is saying,
(07:10):
let's look at all the different issues that happen within
a prison and protect me the paperwork, how decisions are made,
and let's streamline some processes so people can start to
advance themselves to the system. So we could first bring
that hope back that is so critical. Michael Patrick, It's
an amazing thing to see a man lose hope. The
(07:32):
worst of humanity is seen when somebody lose the hope
of reconnecting with their children, their parents, their loved ones.
And then secondly, let's give people the skills so when
they come out they are better prepared to engage society.
Eighty five percent of the prison population is going to
turn over within five to ten years they're coming out.
(07:53):
The problem is we also have an almost seventy five
percent recidivism rate within three years. That means they're going
back within three years. But it sounds like paperwork until
you understand the way that they get back is by
harming somebody in society. And so what open source SAYI says,
let's understand this process that streamline it. Let's get people
and connect them to the programs that they need. Let's
(08:15):
do some things that are better. And then lastly, when
we think about victims of crime, I would think that
victims would be like, Okay, lock them up and throw
away the key. But seventy nine percent of victims of
crime across the spectrum of crimes from violent crimes to
drug crimes to property crimes, they say they would like
people to never have this experience that they had. So
(08:38):
if the person goes into prison, there should be something
there to help them become a better person. And so
when you put this kind of ideology together, you put
the over paperwork and draconian systems that are there. It
begs for technology to interface with this system.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
We'll continue with Kroonie Kilpatrick, former mayor now with Open
Source AI Foundation.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Hey, I just want to say thank you so much
as all his honor approviace to be all Yr Shelle.
I have finally arrived in mad it Man.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
It's official, Kwame Kilpatrick. Could you name that voice by
any chance that you just heard?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I said, not if he's playing again.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Let me give it to him one more time here.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Hey, I just want to say thank you so much
as all his honor approviace to be all Yr Shelle.
I have finally arrived in maated man, it's official.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Any chance? Who is that Coleman? Young?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Wow? That's something, you know. You know, I haven't heard
Coleman talk a lot, you know, I was gone doing
Coleman's talking. He said a little bit. His cadus is
like his dad though. I could hear that.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, it's a well. Politics is a family business for
the young and for the Kilpatricks, that's for sure. Have
you have you when you come back to Detroit? Because
are you living in Texas now or Georgia? Where are you?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
No, we moved back. We've we're back here. We've been
back here about six or seven months. We're here. We
we We're definitely back. We were. I was in Atlanta.
I was citing in Texas. A lot of people think
I was in Texas because I left. When I left
Detroit and the job, I moved to Texas. But since
i've been out, I've been in Georgia. I was in
I was there for three and a half years in Georgia,
(10:34):
just outside of Atlanta, and me and my wife and
my children, we just moved back to the tom Michigan.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
They have about seven people that want to be the
mayor of Detroit coming up in the election, and I wonder,
do you have what is it twenty thirty two circled
on your calendar? You can run again.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I do not, I do not. Come on, you know,
I was. I was humble to serve, you know. You know,
I think that my tremendous gifts in that job took
me to a place where my character and integrity took
me from and after meeting Jesus Christ in that place
(11:17):
called prison, all I want to do is help other
people realize their purpose and their dreams. And so last
week I spoke at the Mayor's conference in DC. It
was my first time being at a mayor's conference in
fifteen years, but I talked to them about the heat
of the light and their responsibility to be characters driven
represented the whole community. And so it's my thing now
(11:41):
is to whoever wins that race, is to be a
you know, a constant, confidant, a help and assistant, a
prayer warrior for that person. I don't have any nothing
in me wants to be mayor again.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Well, you know, Mike Duggan, you've been I know, I see,
we'll see. You've spent time in Lansing as a legislator obviously,
and in the city of Detroit. What about the idea
of Mike Dugan as an independent for governor.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I think it's the right time for it, for sure.
You know, I've been knowing Mike. You know, just everybody understands.
I was about fifteen years old. You know, my father
worked in the office right next door to Mike at
for the Wayne County exec at McNamara. So I think
Mike has done an incredible job in Detroit. I think
he took the blueprint and ran with it. I think
(12:34):
the support that he gets in Detroit from the business
community and it's surrounding you know, communities, has been remarkable.
And I think the time is right. I think people
in you know, in America period and maybe here in
Michigan just not beholding to either party but now listening
more to ideas and political positions than actual party. And
(12:58):
if it could be done, this is the right time.
I think it's gonna be an incredibly tough thing to
do in Michigan because the way we vote, in the
way that our system is structured, in type of state
that we have from the west to the southeast Michigan.
But if anybody is the right person to move that
process forward at this particular time, because politics is timing,
I said mcnamary one time, you know, he wanted he
(13:21):
was telling me I should run from mayor, and I said,
I'm too young. I'm too young. He said, politics is
three things, timing, timing, and timing. So this might be
that time. I believe that you're gonna have some strong
candidates from the Republican Party in the Democratic Party. But
if there's ever was a time for an accomplished political
(13:44):
CEO or public sector CEO to move forward in an
independent party, this is the time.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Did you think about Gil Hill when you saw the
latest Beverly Hills cop movie?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I did I think about Gil a lot. You know,
get was you know, we were cool? Uh you know,
I know that was the first person I ran against.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
But we were.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Pretty cool, uh, you know. And as a politician. I
didn't know him as a cop, but as a politician
he was somebody who I you know, I relied on
for information and opportunities and access, and so you know,
he told me he was gonna beat me in the
Marya's Race. I think about that we had. He called
(14:25):
me to a meeting with Charlie Williams and a whole
bunch of muckety MUCKs in the city at that time.
And I was thirty years old, so I couldn't be scared,
you know, go into the room. They're trying to muscle
me in, telling me you can't win this race, and
and I told him, man, I was gonna beat all y'all.
And he always reminded me of that young whippersnapper coming here,
tell you. So I think about that meeting, but I
(14:49):
think about how how cool we were. Even after that race.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I told Kelly Rossman, the late Kelly Rossman, who I'm
sure you remember, also ten years ago, I said, Tom,
he's going to be again someday, and she said, I
think you're smoking something. And this is before it was.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Maybe maybe Kelly was Kelly was a prophet.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That's right, we'll hold on, we'll see what happens. I
still believe it. And by the way, I'm a little
in the last minute that we have I'm a little weird,
and I think the Detroit mayor ought to stay at
four seasons and ought to drive a Lincoln Navigator suv,
and there ought to be some trappings because it's a
sacrifice to serve in that level, and at any level,
(15:32):
it's a tough job.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It's a tougher job for somebody from the city. This
the experiment of Mike Duggan just proved something else. You know,
he did not have the pressure from the citizen read it.
Every other mayor from that community is Hey, he just didn't.
When I when I got back, I watched the news,
he's kind of never on there unless he's announcing of
ribbon cutting or browdbreaking. You know, every other mayor hom
(15:58):
and young uh Dennis Archer, climate Killpatrick. You know, if
it was a kid killed on the East Side, they
were at our door. If it was something happening afire,
they were talking to us. Now the news, the attension
is arranged where they talk to the police, they talk
to the firefighters, they talked to the community advocate.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Well, hey, God bless you you're the hip hop pastor
now the former mayor of Detroit, and I'm happy to
call you a friend, and thank you for the time.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Hey, thank you Michael Patrick. I appreciate you. Let's do
something good about this criminal justice system.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Amen to that.
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