June 23, 2025 • 49 mins
The Midlife Crisisses are back! On today's episode, Tyson Apostol (@tysonapostol) is still MIA! In his stead, Bradley Hasemayer (@bhaz) and William Drumm (@williamdrumm) invited on car journalist and content creator (@omardrives) for some midlife mayhem! The fellas discuss saving for their children's college fund, financial tips, work-life balance, and good sleep hygiene!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to Midlife Crisises. I'm Tyson, one of the hosts.
Thank you so much for liking, subscribing, commenting, sharing all
of that stuff helps us continue to do this podcast,
and we would appreciate if you would continue to do
that each and every episode.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
We love you guys so much.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
We want to keep doing this and that is one
of the ways to guarantee, I mean nothing, you guarantee
then we will keep doing this. So smash that subscribe button,
that like button, that follow button, whatever buttons are there,
smash them all.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
And we really want to hear from you guys too.
We want to hear about your midlife Crisises. We want
to know what kind of stuff you are going through
so that we can talk about it and share our
insights about trying to survive this quote as well. So
let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Hey, everybody, welcome to Midlife Crisises the podcast. Today we
have a very special guest, Omar Drives. Yes, that is
his Instagram name. We met on Instagram. He's an automotive journalist,
he's a content creator, but most importantly, he's in his
midlife and he's going through it. So today we talk
about everything from saving for college or not, to talking
(01:11):
about when do you go to bed and why is
that important? We do the whole range. He's hilarious and
he brings some really interesting tidbits, especially one specific tip
of something that he does every day that he thinks
is a major key to his success and I think
I'm going to start doing it as well. Join us
this week, Let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
What's up everybody? Welcome to Midlife Crisis is where we
battle every day trying to get through midlife. We talk about, well,
you guys have going on and we have going on,
and try to find some sort of common ground. We
got a special show today, It's going to be really good.
I'm William Drum, I'm a Denver based underwater photographer and
(01:49):
I'm joined with my friend Bradley today.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
That's right, Tyson's not with us. He's off to a
super secret location doing super secret things. But that's not
going to stop us. We don't stop the wheels. Midlife
Crisis is. Don't quit just because Tyson's busy. That doesn't happen,
so we're still going as well. Thank you for liking,
Thank you for subscribing. If you're just joining the show, Hello,
and welcome. Like William said, we address our midlife crisis.
(02:16):
As we bring up questions, we tackle what is going
on each week. I'm Bradley Hazemayer. I'm out of Atlanta,
a couple of kids. I'm a content creator, and today
I'm super stoked because we are being joined by a
friend of mine, a fellow content creator, Omar, and I
want to set this up real quick. So Omar is
one of those people who I was following on Instagram.
(02:36):
He's in the automotive space. I am as well. In fact,
I just got in like rushed in because I was
doing a review outside, trying to knock it out before
the time and the light and all that and so,
and then we bumped into each other, like I guess.
We became friends online first and then just through like
mutual like oh I like this car, you like this guy? Yeah,
we're both reviewers. Then we were on a press trip
and we became friends that way. Super cool guy, and
(02:58):
I just thought, oh, yeah, that's he's cool. And then
the other day he messaged me about something and was like, well,
that's that's what it's like to be in your forties.
And I was like, is that a dig at me
and he was like, no, that's me, and I was like,
what are you kidding me? So, I, you know, William
just turned forty. I'm looking down the barrel of forty
(03:18):
five in less than a week. And so I thought,
let's bring Omar on. I would love to hear his
life as a freelancer, as a dad, as a midlife crisiser,
and so yeah, let's make it happen. And so the
schedule is just the line and so Omar, thanks for
being on the show. Thanks for being a midlife crisis
er with us.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Sure, thanks for having me. So you mentioned that funny
the first time in this industry that I ever felt
my age. I was dealing with the straight pipes.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there are YouTube reviewers and
they do car reviews and stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
They're really good.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
So they had a video and they had messaged me
that You're going to be in the video, and I'm like,
how I wasn't even at the same press event or
press trip as you guys. You see, So they had
this segment in there where they started calling themselves like,
you know, older guys in the industry, and you know
they're older journalists and now there's a new age of
like content creators coming up. And then they played my
(04:13):
Corvette eway video on the screen and they you know,
they mentioned me like oh new age and younger people.
And then this other creator who was like twenty years
old comments, he's like he goes when you mentioned new
age creators and you show all more drives, he's old
my dad?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Oh oh gosh, totally on blast publicly. And then were
the guys from stray Pipes like, wait what you're You're
how old?
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Yeah? No, I guess they did. No, yeah, they had
no clue how old I was.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And so your background is in automotive and you have
what's what's the situation married with kids?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
How many can at least the background worked with automation
for a few years, and their headquarters in South Florida
started content creating mostly I guess heavily video wise over
COVID like everybody else. Got two kids, two and four.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
One of the way, Oh I don't think I remember that?
How close?
Speaker 5 (05:12):
One on the way October? Mid October?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
All right?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Cool? Yeah boys or girls?
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Two girls and the third one now is going to
be a boy.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So for you, man, it's awesome.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Man, let's just say, well, the third one, I don't
want to say, Sam, Maybe now I'll skip it.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
It wasn't it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, that's totally fair. That's totally fair.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
And he's like, what right, there's no.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
There's a lot in our midlife crisises that are unplanned.
That's an easy statement to make. Yeah all the time. Well,
what's it like your midlife? How you feeling you? You like, uh,
you know, never felt better? Are you looking back? Like
best years are behind me? What is going on in
my life? Like, what's what is a crisis? I guess
(05:58):
that it could be small, it could big that that
you kind of deal with or or have dealt with recently.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
You know, from me.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
And I was talking to somebody about this other day,
Like for me, it's mostly just like you know, making
enough and creating enough and leaving enough for my kids, right,
more than anything. That's like the means you know, stress
that I have on my head every day that I
think about constantly in the back of my head or
you know, all the time. But I was talking to
somebody the other day, I was like, man, we had
it so easy, like even years ago, ten years ago,
(06:29):
it was so easy. When you had no kids in
the picture, and you know, all you to worry about
was yourself. Like when you leave the house, now you
got to make sure you grab this, this and any
other things to take with you. But when it was
just you, and even if it was your spouse, like
it would just go and do whatever you want for
the whole day.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
So it's like it was so much easier back then.
But now this has become your new normal and you're
new easy where you're just like I just got to
do It's.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
A part of it.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So I think that thing of legacies, that's something that
we've talked about before. I think maybe William, that was
even your question of kind of like, you know, what,
what is going to be your legacy for your family?
And I think that's something that for sure in the midlife,
you know, I think it kind of hits you in
a way that it never did before.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Right, Yeah, absolutely, I think I was approaching it more
from like my artists self as far as the legacy,
and then we morphed it into especially with Tyson, about
the legacy for our children and for our family, which
which ultimately is the more important one, and kind of
where I'm focused as well right now and trying to
figure that out. I've got a five year old girl, Omar,
(07:33):
and I am a single dad, so I'm just trying
to like hold it together and get stuff like established
for the present before I can even really try to
dive more into like the long term legacy. I mean,
I have been spending some time to college fund and
getting that all set up, but like I'm just like
(07:54):
looking down at the next ten years, year and everything
and just trying to see, hey, calcul we do this.
Like for me, I feel like things were so easy
for me before the divorce compared to now, just because
like that dual thing come and like extra hand on you. Yeah,
(08:14):
I can't imagine it, but it's it's cool. I just
moved into a new house and it's been a crazy
summer so far. But now I'm like really excited for
thank you for being here and getting back to that
position where I can really be making a positive influence
on my daughter's future with with what I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I feel like there's some like creators out there who
are focused in the space that tell people that, hey,
when you hit your thirties, start planning for your future.
Retirement and your future kids like college funds or their
wedding funds or whatever it is, right, do that now
so you're not stressed out when you're forty or something
or later when they're born.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
You know, it needs to be some kind of a guidebook.
We don't get those.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
But would you like, oh shit, would you have done that?
I mean, Omar, let's say we're let's say we're sitting
at coffee. Well not us because we're the same age strangely,
but say you're sitting at coffee and you're thirty and
forty year old Omar comes up to you and it's like, okay, buddy,
you really need to think about like investing for the
future and thinking about a wedding fund and a college
fund for your kids. Would you do that or be
(09:22):
like that sounds like great advice and then just leave,
like I because that's one of those things that like
I always like wonder, you know, like the ghost of
Christmas future, Like yeah, I could go back and tell
myself like, ah, man, if you just like, don't spend
money on that thing, or you know, do move here instead,
or like whatever, not in a regretful sense, just in
like a wisdom sense, but I also know we're kind
(09:44):
of dumb and cocky and like, you know, I'll get
to that when I get to it kind of thing.
I don't know, but maybe maybe not for you. That's
why I'm curious.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, I mean, you don't know what you know until
you like actually face it, right. So it's like I
feel like if I came back to myself, I know me,
like how I function.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
If I told myself.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Hey, all you need to do right now is put
away fifty dollars a month to two hundred dollars a
month for a college fund for your kid in the future, right,
Just start that now, right, so you can start getting
heavy when you make more in the future. So if
it was like a tangible like figure or real figure,
like hey, do this now, Okay, I could throw fifty
dollars a month to side in like a fund or something.
(10:25):
But yeah, like, of course at that is you're not
even thinking about that. I wasn't thinking about having kids
at that age.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So yeah, I came from a science background. I used
to work in a laboratory and we definitely had like
HR come and talk to us about four oh one
k's and saving facts exactly when I was like early twenties,
and you know, I did whatever like the matching was,
but I didn't really take advantage of it, and I
(10:51):
definitely didn't understand like the real power of compounding interest.
And then now, yeah, it's like with the child with
the college fund. It's not like retirement, Like it's a
much shorter time frame. So it's like to get that
good compounding interest, got to be putting it in right now.
You know, my daughter's already five years old, losing out
all the time, So I'm trying to get like packed
(11:13):
that in as much as I can right now.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I started S five twenty nine account system as both
of my daughters were born right away, like because I actually.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Had a friend who did it.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
So he told me how much he ended up saving
until like his kid was ready to go to college.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
I was like, oh, it sounds pretty good. I have
to worry about it then later then, so I.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Don't really one thing about saving for the college fund
is I have no idea how much I should save,
Like how much do I need? Like how much is
it gonna be anything?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
It's good in my book, right it's like you have
something like my friend had saved up like eighty thousand
or ninety thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So that's like one year at state school.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, right, it's like I'm sure about house when I
was in college.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah, this went to an instant college, so it helped
out quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah that plus like in these scholarships he had, he
did pretty well. But yeah, but it's just like something's
better than nothing in that situation.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, do you feel omar, do you feel the like
it's all on me kind of like responsibility?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
My wife is not working correctly, She hasn't worked since
baby number one.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
She does want to go back. It's not she doesn't
want to.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, we had and one on the way face.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Yeah, but she's got her hands full as it is.
So she used to be a dental hygienis. It's a
lot of on theat type of job. So yeah, so
she's she hasn't worked since baby number one. It's you know,
she's she's worked a lot more as a mother for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, but of course, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I wonder what that's even gonna look like when our
kids are like that age, because the education system is
so up in the air right now in America, Like
there's so much more of a push like not to
like it's not as looked at as as positively anymore.
And then so one thing with that is like I've
got the five twenty nine too, with the matching from
(13:02):
the state. But then I'm also set up I also
set up a separate like roth Ira for Rowan she
can get when she's I think either eighteen or twenty one,
and then that one they can spend it on anything
instead of just like school. So I don't know, I'm
(13:22):
just trying to be a good idea. I should figure
it out, right.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I think that's one of those things that when I
was a kid, it was just like a foregone conclusion,
you'll go to college and then you know, college is
going to get you a good job. And that was
basically like it seemed like every parent only cared about
whatever it was going to do to get you into
a good job. Right, So it's like middle school's important
to get to a good high school, which means is
important get good grades so you can get to a
good college and get a good to college so you
(13:47):
can get a good job, and then I don't have
to worry about you.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It's like really just about it wasn't about you, it
was about them. It was like, I don't want to
worry about you, and to do that, I need to
make sure you hit these milestones. But what college costs
now and what the job market looks like? You know,
I think I did. I lived in Australia for a semester,
and that and Europe and Australia is usually included in
(14:11):
a lot of those types of cultural things. A gap
year where you just between college and or high school
in college or sometimes college in real world is just
very common. People go travel for a while and try
to figure out what they want to do. And you know,
it's like instead of paying during that time. I want
my doctors to go to college. I want my lawyers
(14:32):
to go to college. I want those people to be
highly educated and sophisticated in those specific fields. But does
a journalism major need to go Does you know a
general business degree that you could get on YouTube? Like,
I just wonder with a lot of those things. But
and I'm in the place too and where I am
in my life because my kids are sorry, my friends
(14:55):
have kids now in college freshman sophomore, which is wild
to me. I'm married late for the South at thirty one,
where my you know, friends are married at nineteen twenty
twenty one? Well, the South, it is.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Down here where thirty six.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Oh yeah, See, like big cities are like slow down
thirty five. You're too young. What are you doing? I
was in La people like that, it's way too young.
You're too young. It was like, my friends are like,
are you inviting us to a wedding or a funeral?
How old are you now that you're getting married. It's like, yeah,
are you dead? Are you old? And so, you know,
we're having these conversations too with them about you know,
what are you guys doing for secondary education? And it's
(15:33):
it's you know, you can't. I think it's hard to deny.
Did you guys both go to college?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, So I think it's hard to deny the social aspect.
That's one of those things that's hard to say. Yes.
But you know, like it's like that to me is
really the only thing. And who knows, you know, ellis
she is very artistic and maybe she you know, goes
to like you know, NYU for a year and then
(16:00):
just decides to go professional or whatever. Lowick is an
athlete who knows what happens with him, so you know,
I don't know, but it's I don't think it's as
much of a foregone conclusion as before, so it does
make me. I do have a five two nine for Elis,
But I'm also like, you know, I guess recently I
was talking to my tax guy about this. I think
it's state to state, but recently, at least in Georgia,
(16:20):
you can now roll that into a wroth so as
if they decide to if they get a full scholarship,
you're like, well, I saved eighty grand, what happens to it? Now?
I got to spend it? And they're already you know,
so you can roll that over whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So cool.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
There's there's things like that.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
That I think actually I might have to look into
that too. Yeah, because nine only because my friend did it. Yeah,
I was like, all right, it's an important thing to
have for college, right, Yeah, I think you're right. With
the current way college is perceived, it might be better
to have another type of uh source that can let
them use that money for anything they want to do.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah, and who knows, maybe those laws change in you
know whatever twenty years or I guess eighteen years. When
you know, your kids start heading up that way, So
it's impossible to know for sure. But I also think
there was a guy and I can't remember who was.
He's a businessman who basically offered people instead of going
to college, I'll give you one hundred thousand to invest
in a business and start a business. I don't yeah,
(17:17):
And I was like, that's kind of cool, what an
interesting thought. I don't know if I would have taken that.
I don't know if at that time, I don't think
I had the business mind or acumen to be able
to pull that off.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Would you guys think because you did, because you didn't
trust yourself, or because.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
You were I just don't think I would have to
have like a mentor for sure walking me through it.
Like I just wasn't wired in me to start a business.
It was wired to me to work for a business,
right like that whole like employer versus employee. And it
was just more so that was just like the assumption
is like, Okay, I'll go work at a job instead
of like let me go start a career, you know.
(17:54):
And that came later. That came when I moved to
LA and basically kind of started my own career that way.
But I don't know, would you guys take that if
you're if you're eighteen and someone said like.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
This or that, because the reason I wanted to go
to college was for like the fun, for the community,
for the partying. Like yeah, so I don't know. I
wouldn't have been very interested in like starting a business
at eighteen or whatever. I was trying to go meet
people and party. Really, let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Be honest.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
It's funny.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
A lot of people say that it's like college is
one good for education, and I agree with you on that,
is that, you know, it's important for somebody who wants
to be a doctor, engineer, or lawyer, some kind of
like real profession. I'm not saying that what everybody else
does is not a profession, but like something that requires
a lot of training.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Right, Yeah, very important for those people.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I also think that being social what I've seen, yeah,
you know, dealing with people in my life that have
social anxiety or like, you know me, I'm just like
an open book and very talkative whatever.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
I think that comes from within the daily.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Immediate family and the people you grew up around, right,
I think that's like instilled in you very early, whether
you're going to get a social butterfly or you're not.
So it's like, you know, even I see people in
college that have trouble being social, right, So it's like
I think it's like the early on development of kids
to like, you know, my kids are super social because
(19:25):
they see me being social and my wife being special.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
My girls will walk up to anybody randomly and like grocery, like, Hi,
how are you?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Like, you know, like chill up?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah, right right? They pull that back a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I know. I wish I could be like my daughter
see somebody go up to them, like, hey, you want
to play? That would be sweet, like.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
You want to play catch as adults.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
But the other thing about college is you like most
people don't know what they want to do. You know,
they go to college to hopefully figure out what they
want to do.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Right about it? Did you I think college?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Because like now, like when I think about college now, right,
my time in college? Of course, not many people who
don't become a doctoral or engineer use everything they learned
in college, right or study?
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Right, I don't use.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
A single single was what was your major?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Economics and political science?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Okay? Right?
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Not a single thing that I've ever done in my life,
Like if I've majored in economics anything like financially related,
I'm the worst financial planner in the world.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
So it's like, you know, what are you talking about here?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Right, So it's like, great, I feel like there's so
much more opportunity now for this generation to go out
and figure out what they want to do.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
The gig outside of right, Yeah, there's so many ways
to get a job or start a job outside of
That's a really good point.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I wish I was young now, like in my twenties, yeah,
because I would have murdered everybody because as hard as
I work, like my work ethic is insane.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
So it's like that's one thing I kind of pride
myself on.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Right, it was like if I did if I was
twenty now without kids, forget about it came.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Over Yeah, yeah, came over right. I know. Well, that's
you bring up a good point. We talk a lot
about like life balance and stuff as well. Especially you know,
William has basically has his daughter for a week on
and then a week off, and so his work life
balance looks different than mine with two kids. My wife
and are both freelance, so you know, we're we're always
juggling schedules and and all that. In fact, we were
(21:25):
going to record yesterday, but you couldn't because your wife
was out and you had both kids. My wife just
got on a plane today to go shoot something in
New York. So I had the kids and I had
to you know. So it's like it's all logistics, right,
and but that work life balance is one of those
things that I think can be really hard with kids.
But I also think sometimes like if the kids are
(21:46):
all out and I'm like, man, I just wish I
had four straight hours, and then the kids are gone,
and I'm like after about an hour and a half,
I'm like, well, I don't know what to do now.
You know. It's kind of like because you get so
used to working under those circumstances and if you know
you've only got an hour, you're gonna you're gonna nail
down and crush it versus like you know, I remember
being you know, in La I was twenty six and single,
(22:08):
and it's like I got twenty two hours to do anything,
and it's like, well, I'm probably going to sleep, maybe
go for a run, go work at the restaurant for
a little bit, then come home and say, I don't
have enough time. So it's like I never know. You
never say you have it, like you never feel like
you have enough time until you look back and you're like,
but this, I had a ton of time then, but
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I have no time now. And then you have five
kids and you're like, what were we doing with two kids?
We had all the time in the world. Now we
have no time, you know how because you have now
we have two five and twelve. And then we have
a twenty nine year old foster daughter who's not really
in the day to day, but she's in the mix emotionally,
and I had dinner with her last night. Actually, so yeah,
(22:51):
so's she's in the mix. But that's yeah. That's one
of those things that I remember. I remember learning when
I was younger because you'd meet like high school students
and they're like, oh, man, middle school, I wish I
could just go back. And then you meet college kids
and college kid you're like, nobody wanted to do high school.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
No, well, nobody wanted to do Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
That's fair. Maybe maybe not so much middle school. I
certainly didn't. I was glad to get out yeah, but
maybe the college to high school. Right, You're in high
schools like so much homework to do a work so
hard with it. But and then you get to college
and you're like, what was I doing? That was for nothing?
This is where it matters. And then just like grinding, grinding,
and then you get out and you're like, now I
have no time. College. I had all the time in
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the world. I'd go play frisbee at night, or I'll
go play basketball or stay up till two with my friends.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I will say that even though I didn't like directly
use what I learned in college, I almost did almost.
I was a scientist for several years, so I did
use my biology degree for a while, but then I
also did photojournalism classes and now I want to use
hard yeah. Yeah, so I mean it was only two
classes I took in college, but it was like the
(23:56):
experience and it like gave me a camera to try
out for the first time, and eventually that became my career.
So the experience is still super valuable when you.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Entered yourself in the beginning, he said underwater photogra I
was like, what, like that is so cool?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Like oh yeah, I mean me, well, william Is easily.
We always to out the greatest underwater photographer in all
of Colorado, certainly Denver, the landlocked state of Colorado. But
he photographed Billie Eilish's cover photo. He was the one
who produced that and shot that and hit her album
where she's like falling through the water through a door
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took a blue.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Back, right, Yeah, that is awesome.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Then this Friday, we're actually having a big event. It's like,
we filmed a little artist profile about me last year,
which kind of segues from me doing wildlife photography photographing
whales and sea lions and sharks and all that into
a more artistic underwater photography with the Billie Eilish shoot
(24:59):
and stuff. So we're having a huge party on Friday.
It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
That's so so fun.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
It's weird in Colorado. I mean, I find that.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
So amazing to be underwater and have like artistic cell
going on in your head, like hey, like capturing beautiful
images at the same time. Like that balance is awesome,
But and too, I feel like shit because I'm not
filming for the past like four days because raining outside.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
He's like underwater, no problem.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Why does it stop that? Omar, what about you?
Speaker 5 (25:29):
I got this. I'm like, it's raining, yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Oh it's a little sprinkle. I don't go out with
my camera, I know.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Go it's been raining a ton here like it has
been in New Jersey too, So I got to go
do a shoot this weekend and all the like streams
and rivers are like gushing with water and you're excited.
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Is it good or is that bad?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's not good because then it's harder to like, the
visibility is worse and it's dangerous and.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Because now it's aid, Yeah, yeah, just like a coy pond.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
I'm scarious, dangerous situation. You've been it?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Oh, it's usually not very scary, Honestly, I've had very
few situations where I've been like scared. But I did
get attacked by a sea lion once, and that was
pretty scary. I was photographing for filming for a documentary.
It was like two weeks straight filming in Monterey Bay, California,
just like eight hours a day, mostly by myself filming.
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We're trying to film cormorants and it's really cool behavior
actually where giant green sea and enemies can actually eat
large animals. So we're trying to film these sea enemies
eating birds.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
WHOA.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
We did it. It came out. It was amazing footage.
But there was all these sea lions every day like
blowing bubbles at me and like getting a little closer.
And then on like the last day, like day fourteen
of the shoot or something, I was kind of nestled
up in the rocks and Monterey kind of like filming
the female sea lions coming down and doing swoops. And
(27:06):
I'm pretty sure that the big male thought that I
was moving in on his harem and uh snuck out
behind me and just grabbed me by the shoulder and
just literally shook me like six feet this way, six
feet that way, just like and I was just moving
through the water like that. I was wearing like a
really thick, dry, like wet suit of compressed his compressing
(27:28):
pretty dry suit, so he didn't like puncture the suit
and it didn't hurt me, like it didn't like actually
get me, but it scared the shit out of me
as it was. And then I like tried to tuck
back into the rocks even further, and he came back
again and did like a little head fake boo. Then
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he bit my camera and busted the dome on the camera.
Like it didn't it didn't flood, but he cracked it.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
And then I was just like my head was like
dress Park where the t Rex comes and just goes Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah, yeah, that's how visioning meets the Revenant. It's basically Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
The most major situation I've faced is driving a Rolls
Royce in Camden, New Jersey, So.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Probably a lot higher fatality that.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Actually, that's true.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
We joked that like the most dangerous part of scuba
diving is is driving to the dive site, so.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Because it's usually like some sketchy area that people aren't around.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Just because like there's really not very many accidents for diving,
and there are, Yeah, that's true. I mean in special
like cave diving, rebreather diving, there's a lot more things
that go wrong, but typically just the kind of scuba
diving that I like to not dangerous.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
How long can you hold your breath underwater?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
You said it's not very long. Right now, when I'm training,
I can do like three minutes or so.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
That's wowd I saw that Tom Cruise had to hit
like six minutes for one of the one of the
seas that they did not this past movie, but another
one where he was underwater, and I was just like
six minutes. I couldn't even stand still for six minutes
much more.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Hold my Seeing all this Tom Cruise content has just
been making me feel like shit.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
So much.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
This guy is just like.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Dangerous about a guy who avoided his midlife crisis. Other
than all the scientology stuff maybe and and like his
his various marriages, but that guy just seems to skate
above all of the things. Like does he ever wake
up sore in bed? I don't think so. I don't
think he just rolls out and is like, I don't
know why my leg hurts.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
He doesn't go to the doctor and the doctor's like, yeah,
you just live with that pain now, that's just existing.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Your Yeah, exactly. Sorry, all the holding is bread for
six minutes. He was probably breathing pure oxygen before, so
that makes it a lot easier. Okay, that's what we
did on the Billie Eilish shoot. Should breathe like pure
oxygen above water, and then when you do that, your
your blood cells are like super are charged with oxygen,
so it's a lot easier to hold your breath for longer.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Is that is that? I've seen some of those, like
at the airport kiosks where it's like sit down for
five minutes and breathe pure oxygen. Is that legit? Is
that like really helpful?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Like if you're arriving, if you're hungover, how how does
that help?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I don't know, but I heard it's really good for that.
And like there for a while it was like trending
where there was more and more oxygen like bars.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah, yeah, it was like who, I guess the hookah
bars oxygen bars.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, but yeah, I think it
makes you feel better some.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Good oxygen omar. In terms of being in your midlife,
is there anything that you feel like maybe you didn't
expect now you're in your forties, that that you know,
when you were younger, you never would have considered. You
talked about like the wanting to leave a legacy and uh,
you know, and wanting to basically take care of you know,
this this crew that is now your family. Anything else
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that kind of is like you know, a nagging thing
or something that you consider like people always told me
that's your midlife, you know kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
I guess health wise, like working out more like younger,
or building a healthier lifestyle where you were you know,
active consistently, because even if you're not like overweight, and
if you're not like active to the point where you're
like at least walking and you know, running or doing
something like I do. This guy in Mercedes pr in Germany,
(31:30):
he would always, like every morning, wake up and go
for like a three to four mile run, right, like
long distances too, unless yeah, more than four miles.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
At times, I would be like, man, this guy's.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Such an overachiever, right yeah, Like everybody else is grabbing
breakfast and he's like coming back from his run, and
like I used to see him frequently on these trips,
and you know, on Instagram is always posting about running,
and he still does it till this day.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
He's like I think forty five or fifty probably now
he still doesn't day and I'm like, man, I wish
I had something that I'd stayed dedicated to, like whether
it's running or walking every day or something to just
get your body and the healthier.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Future.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Right, Yeah, it's not too late to start running.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
My sister just started. She's forty five and it's been
really nice having her I run, and like, it's great
having more people around you who run. The easier it
is to get on runs, like, the easier it is
to be motivated when you're not motivated. There's so many
times my sister will send me her really slow short
run shout of it, sorry, Kerry, And then I'll go
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for a run, Like last night I went for a
run at.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Like just to piss her off and show her up. Yeah,
I see your eight minute and I raise you to
seven minute pace.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Go have you done any running? It's great, It's so fun.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
It's cool that it's like what do you have somebody
to like challenge with like that, Like, hey, let's see
if I can beat your time.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I don't know anybody.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Around me that does that at all, Like zero friends
that are like zero any type of activities.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Right, So it's like.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I just started, like two weeks ago, where waking up
before the family wakes up to go downstairs on the treadmill,
but at least a mile.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
To get my day go about the day like you know,
do other things.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Very recent I'm trying to stay motivated to like keep
up at it. I mean, I'm not like a person
who sits around all the time either like I'm not
like I come into my office as like I'm in
my office right now, come in me here like maybe
twice a week or once every two weeks because I'm
always out filming or out doing something. But still like
(33:39):
I wanted to. I always wanted to have something like
get addicted to, like I used to play tennis in
high school, which I continue doing that, but you.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Know that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Is there anything else, like health wise that you've noticed
in your midlife that's not like it used to be,
like needing more sleep or eating better or dot stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Oh my god, sleep is like the thing that I
wish I could tackle, like for for me.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Throughout the day.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Like it's like, you know, there's there's never enough hours
in the day to work, right, especially if it's all
on you. Right, So it's like I try to be
home as soon as the kids come home from daycare,
right because like that's like number one to me no
matter what, right, just spending time with them. So I'm
there and they don't go to sleep. My girls are
insomniacs and they don't go to sleep till like nine
thirty ten eleven times they're hanging out and then like
(34:31):
I'll start working more after they go to bed. And
like when you're in the world that we're in of
like creating stuff, and you're focused in on editing or
like you know, doing a photo or something like you know,
editing a photo, editing a video, hours go by you
don't even notice, right right, The only time it clicks
in my head is I have my lamp in my
living room to automatically shut off at two AM, and like, crap,
(34:53):
it's two am. I go to sleep, right, So it's like, dude,
go upstairs and I'm up by like six thirty seven day.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You're able to do that, You don't, I am.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I'm focus today, but yeah, I wish I had more.
It does catch up to me frequently. It's not like
I'm like, oh, I'm just superhuman and I can function well,
Like I wish I could lock in a good six
to seven hours day.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
How does it catch up to you?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Oh, just like probably by tomorrow it will be crashing
midday and just like sitting on a cash and I
had all this ship playing to do and I'd never
get to it. Yeah, I just like just laziness overall.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
You just want to snap at him and sometimes but yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I've definitely been like that for a long time too,
where staying up super late, getting up super early. But
I don't know. I think because I'm getting older, I
struggle with the nowadays and like my focus is messed
up and I can't Yeah, so I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Oh yeah, dude. Sleep. Somebody told me this thing and
I'll never forget it, and I think it just is
so I think about this all the time. Sleep is
the best way to prevent death. Basically. Sleep is the
step before death. Sleep is the only thing stopping you
from dying, basically. And I was like, that's really interesting.
(36:12):
He saw a whole Ted talk on it. Whatever, I
haven't watched the Ted talk, but just that quote, I thought,
is a really interesting way to summize it and or
summarize it. I think for me, we were talking about
this last week or on last week's episode about mental
health and if I don't have the sleep that I need,
that crushes my mental health. I'm shorter with people, I'm
not as confident, I'm certainly not as sharp. I used
(36:35):
to work like I had a similar workflow as you omar,
where it was like but when I was single and
I would come home from working in the restaurant and
then it's like, I'm going to edit this video until
two in the morning. If I could edit till two
and get up at six, it's probably enough sleep, and
then I could still do this other thing. It was
like as much as I could cram in as possible.
But then now after about nine o'clock, I am toast.
(36:59):
I can't. It takes me an hour to do something
that would take me fifteen minutes in the morning to
write an email or to edit a video. It's it's
usually not done well. So I just like acknowledge that,
like that's just not going to happen. So I tried
to be that way, like oh yeah, it's a great
opportunity for me to work. Kids are asleep, you know,
work from ten to twelve, and I'm just sitting there
going like, eh, it's like what I got to go
(37:21):
to sleep. This is stupid.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
You know. I kind of alternate between staying up late
and then going to bed like early. So yeah, I'm
either going to bed by like ten or two.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Ten is my top.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Man, Like, It's it's weird because like, you know what
you just said, like, not having enough sleep is like death.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Right, you're signing your own death certificate.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
I just saw that post you know, you know Steve Barrett,
the Diary of a CEO of that podcast.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Yeah, he just posted a video with some like sleep you.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Know, STAPs or something like yeah. Like oh okay, she was.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Like, oh, you know, anybody who stays a week between
the hours at ten pm to four am is basically
just like killing themselves. Yeah, it's like basically kill themselves.
I'm like, oh, well that's me, so algorithm new Even
if that people say to me, dre my face and like, yeah,
I'm still sting up too, right right.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
This is what I mean by like the whole like,
if if I had known at twenty five, I should
invest You're like, I don't know, Omar, I don't know
that about you, bro.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Maybe not. Maybe. The other thing is is like long
term memory is created when you're sleeping, right, So like
if you don't get enough sleep, then you don't remember
those things as well. Oh wow, a short term memory.
Yeah sure, I mean does for me for sure. I
mean not because ever that good in the first place,
but yeah, definitely I noticed that if I'm not getting
(38:42):
much sleep, I am more likely to forget things too.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah, well that makes that makes any you get young kids?
Oh coffee all day?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Man?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah right, yeah, yeah so much? And yeah, I try
to say over two cups a day. I try to
limit myself to that, giving me eyes like he's doing
more than that. What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I drink like a full pot of coffee a day
at least, which is like ten cups of coffee.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Wow, that's solid even impressed, omar, what are you at?
Speaker 5 (39:13):
Zero? Really like?
Speaker 4 (39:14):
I drink maybe like coffee once in a while, maybe
once a week. I've been staying away from any type
of like caffeinated drinks because I was drinking Celsius a
lot for a while. Oh yeah, I pulled back on it.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
You're part of that Instagram power influencer crowd drinking your celsius.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
People say it's like the healthiest energy drink or whatever.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Okay, it's like keeping huh I.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Have My twelve year old niece told me it was
the least healthy lunch.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Really, it can't be worse than monster monster.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Yeah, but now I'm sure once a week I'll drink
a Celsius or something if I really need it.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I am ready to stop drinking as much coffee. It
doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yeah, that's the thing too, the whole cup in the morning.
It's more about the ritual in the morning.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
For me.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
It's like especially if I can do like a pour
over and like grind the beans and like I like
the creation moment of it. Or sometimes I'll just do
espress so just then express, so.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
Just the kids, you have that time to do just.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Five and twelve. Well, I'm probably the morning. I'm the
morning crowd, So I'm up at five, hit the gym.
Back by about six. In the summer, everybody's sleeping until seven,
so I get like forty five minutes of just quiet.
I would rather get up early and have like a
clear mind moment at the beginning then than to feel
(40:35):
like I'm behind the ball the whole time, you know,
like just wake up. When my kids wake up, then
I'm already I've already lost because they're just waking up
in different emotional states and I'm not even ready. I
go to sleep between ten and eleven. If I can
go to bed at ten, then I'm I'm thrilled, and
I'm up at around five.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
So six hours sleep.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah, consistently we these days I take off, I'm sleep right.
And I also find that the hours I get better
sleep between, like you know, like eight to twelve, then
I do like at a a PM. Then I would
in the morning. If I slept until somehow I slept
(41:16):
till nine am, I'm not going to feel, yeah, totally refreshed,
because for me, at least anything after about six is
just kind of like a waste, Like seven whatever, sleep
another two hours and I feel the same as if
I got up two hours before. But if I go
to bed at nine or nine thirty and I wake
up at four thirty or five, I'm like jazzed. So
(41:36):
for me, I know that about my own kind of
circadian rhythm and clock and stuff like that's just those
are there's it's like a two for one value on
before midnight than it is, you know, I kind of
after midnight.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
I've been also like practicing a lot recently.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Is like if you do something that like if there's
a habit that you're trying to break, right, Like I said,
like no matter what anybody he tells me, I will
not go to sleep early. Right if there's like a
habit that I've noticed with myself that I'm trying to bake.
I gotta stay dedicated to it for like a week
or two. I just force myself to do it no matter.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
What, whether that accountability. I'm going to text you. I'm
going to text you every day and say go to
bed at ten o'clock and let's see if it works.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
There's a new TikTok train right now where guys are
calling their friends and saying good that buddy.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yes, we talked about this on the last episode You
Call a Guy, And we also talked about it from
the context of like dudes just don't like talk that way,
you know, like we're talking about mental health. How you
just don't bring it up. Usually it's like whatever, screw it,
I'm just going to work through it, you know kind
of thing. But that element of like actually peeling back
a little bit of that curtain, like caring about someone
in the power of accountability.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yeah, and it's like you don't know how to give
it or accept it. That's what that's right. It's like
it's the funniest thing ever. But yeah, that's a It's
like if I just stay dedicated to something for a
week or two, just keep doing it working myself to
do it even if I don't want to do it,
because there are days where.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
You're like, f this, I don't want to do it.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yeah, and like if we just force yourself, eventually it
just becomes like habit. Right, So that's what I'm like
trying to do. So maybe I'll do that. I'll do
that for like a week, no matter what.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Not, maybe by ten we're making the change right now,
at least for a week.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
I got a plan one thing, figured it out, editing
earlier in the day, right, so that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
So okay, right, you do eleven. I mean that's a
colomized little bit.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
Yeah, waking up at five because it gives you time
to go work out. Get that out of the way.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
It's even be even if now and we did talk
about there's like a whole self help episode where it
was like, wake up at five, go to the gym,
do all these things. And if that doesn't naturally appeal
to you, don't try to force it, because then you're
gonna be pissed off the whole time, like what is
this stupid book? Or like these guys told me to
do this thing?
Speaker 2 (43:53):
I want to do it.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, five am club.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
There's no other hour of the day. We'll take time
to work out, right, It's exactly nice.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
It's unrealistic it's going to happen because if I want
to go to sleep at ten or eleven, even my
girls don't go to sleep and settle down until nine
thirty ten, so there's no hour reckon go.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
And I will say we moved our kids' bedtimes way
earlier if possible. Like my son, we're doing bath in
bed with him around seven or seven thirty and we've
always done that. And Ellis used to be that way.
Now she's a preteen, so you know she's like up
until ten because her mind doesn't stop kind of thing.
Hormones are going crazy. But in terms of like sometimes
(44:32):
there's the reality of life too. You can't be like, hey, honey,
I'm off to bed because I made an agreement with
my guys enjoy taking care of the kids tonight. You know,
it's like there has to be some reality in there. Yeah, exactly,
I need to get some sleep, honey, I need to
get sleep.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
It's like I'm gonna have my face.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
She's like, I packed your bag, you can go, You're done,
thank you, Bye bye. So well, that's cool. Well, thank you.
Uh yeah. We usually kind of wrap up around now,
and we usually do like a little takeaway. So we
talked about a lot of different stuff today, from sleep obviously,
to work life balance, to investing in finances and secondary education.
(45:15):
We had a little bit of everything. William, what's your takeaway?
And then Omar will go to you.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I think for me, the takeaway is that I should
maybe start working late into the night.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Again, No, you've gone the wrong direction. Omar is clearly successful.
But just because that's what he does does not mean
you need to do that, William.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Oh No, but I do, Omar, it is I see you, like,
I think it's impressive that you're able to like go
back to work after your kid goes to bed. And
you know, I've talked about in this podcast a lot.
That's usually what my plan is. And sometimes I'm successful
and sometimes I'm not. So like you know, the little
(45:59):
moments like me and my sister texting each other about running,
like hearing that you're able to do that doing that consistently,
Like that's cool for me because there definitely are times
where even though I do value sleep a lot, like
sometimes it is good for me to go back to
work after she goes to bed at like nine or ten.
So that's my takeaway.
Speaker 5 (46:16):
Well, I think YE love it. Same for me.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
It's like I have to really force myself except on Saturday.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
Nights, to go to sleep super early.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
And not super early like ten after the girls go
to bed, I should just close everything and go to bed.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
It's a future, it's future omar thanking current omar. That's
what that you got to think of that like from
a discipline standpoint.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
Yeah, one thing I will say that it's something that
I've been doing for a while and that I just saw.
They did a study on this was that people that
watch the same show over and over again, right, especially
if it's a comedy show, have a lot more emotional
stability in.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Their life than interest.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
So that always watch new shows because they know what's coming,
they know how to handle it right, versus a new
show that's kind of like on their mind and they're
always thinking about it. It's like creating more of a
thought in there. So I no matter what every day
I have either The Office, Modern Family or Big Bank Theory,
(47:22):
I have to watch an episode of two all those
just to like I need comedy in my life no
matter what round zero. It's like life is just so
crazy all the time. I'm like, I need some kind
of comedic relief every day, So I watch an hour
of either show every day.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Oh man, I haven't watched The Office in so long,
and I love it.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
That is so good. My wife does the Office, Parks
and rec those are the two that she loves. Yes, yeah,
those are so classic. I think my takeaway is I'm
encouraged by just a reminder that we're not alone. Like
all of us are kind of going through this together,
and I love to hear omar what you're going through
and how you're facing it and how different that is.
(47:58):
But at the same time it's not. We're still thinking
about the same things, are still trying to figure out
the same things. And that's the hope of this podcast
is just a reminder of community, reminder of people that, like,
you're not alone in feeling weird about should I work late?
Should I not? I get up early? I go to
bed late. And I love the tip there of find
to show that you love already and try it out
(48:19):
for you know, to on repeat that clearly that means
my wife is very emotionally stable. I am not. When
I finished something, I'm on to the next. I'm stoked
about finishing the Bear because season three is coming up.
Got to get through it. Just got to get through it.
Just got to get through it. So but that that
focus makes sense because I'm not emotionally stable. So that works.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
You enjoyed them?
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Yeah, watch it over and over. Yeah, that's good. And
I'm going to text you. I'm texting you ten o'clock, buddy.
This is this is how we're going to do this
to report back and we'll let our viewers know. There
you go, done, there it is. Consider it done perfect.
I love it all right. Well, thanks everybody for listening,
(49:00):
and Omar thanks for being our special guest today. Love
having you on and keep Chrisis seeing everyone. We'll see
you on the next week.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
M
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Thank you so much for liking, subscribing, commenting, sharing all
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
And we really want to hear from you guys too.
We want to hear about your midlife Crisises. We want
to know what kind of stuff you are going through
so that we can talk about it and share our
insights about trying to survive this quote as well. So
let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Hey, everybody, welcome to Midlife Crisises the podcast. Today we
have a very special guest, Omar Drives. Yes, that is
his Instagram name. We met on Instagram. He's an automotive journalist,
he's a content creator, but most importantly, he's in his
midlife and he's going through it. So today we talk
about everything from saving for college or not, to talking
(01:11):
about when do you go to bed and why is
that important? We do the whole range. He's hilarious and
he brings some really interesting tidbits, especially one specific tip
of something that he does every day that he thinks
is a major key to his success and I think
I'm going to start doing it as well. Join us
this week, Let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
What's up everybody? Welcome to Midlife Crisis is where we
battle every day trying to get through midlife. We talk about, well,
you guys have going on and we have going on,
and try to find some sort of common ground. We
got a special show today, It's going to be really good.
I'm William Drum, I'm a Denver based underwater photographer and
(01:49):
I'm joined with my friend Bradley today.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
That's right, Tyson's not with us. He's off to a
super secret location doing super secret things. But that's not
going to stop us. We don't stop the wheels. Midlife
Crisis is. Don't quit just because Tyson's busy. That doesn't happen,
so we're still going as well. Thank you for liking,
Thank you for subscribing. If you're just joining the show, Hello,
and welcome. Like William said, we address our midlife crisis.
(02:16):
As we bring up questions, we tackle what is going
on each week. I'm Bradley Hazemayer. I'm out of Atlanta,
a couple of kids. I'm a content creator, and today
I'm super stoked because we are being joined by a
friend of mine, a fellow content creator, Omar, and I
want to set this up real quick. So Omar is
one of those people who I was following on Instagram.
(02:36):
He's in the automotive space. I am as well. In fact,
I just got in like rushed in because I was
doing a review outside, trying to knock it out before
the time and the light and all that and so,
and then we bumped into each other, like I guess.
We became friends online first and then just through like
mutual like oh I like this car, you like this guy? Yeah,
we're both reviewers. Then we were on a press trip
and we became friends that way. Super cool guy, and
(02:58):
I just thought, oh, yeah, that's he's cool. And then
the other day he messaged me about something and was like, well,
that's that's what it's like to be in your forties.
And I was like, is that a dig at me
and he was like, no, that's me, and I was like,
what are you kidding me? So, I, you know, William
just turned forty. I'm looking down the barrel of forty
(03:18):
five in less than a week. And so I thought,
let's bring Omar on. I would love to hear his
life as a freelancer, as a dad, as a midlife crisiser,
and so yeah, let's make it happen. And so the
schedule is just the line and so Omar, thanks for
being on the show. Thanks for being a midlife crisis
er with us.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Sure, thanks for having me. So you mentioned that funny
the first time in this industry that I ever felt
my age. I was dealing with the straight pipes.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there are YouTube reviewers and
they do car reviews and stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
They're really good.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
So they had a video and they had messaged me
that You're going to be in the video, and I'm like,
how I wasn't even at the same press event or
press trip as you guys. You see, So they had
this segment in there where they started calling themselves like,
you know, older guys in the industry, and you know
they're older journalists and now there's a new age of
like content creators coming up. And then they played my
(04:13):
Corvette eway video on the screen and they you know,
they mentioned me like oh new age and younger people.
And then this other creator who was like twenty years
old comments, he's like he goes when you mentioned new
age creators and you show all more drives, he's old
my dad?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Oh oh gosh, totally on blast publicly. And then were
the guys from stray Pipes like, wait what you're You're
how old?
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Yeah? No, I guess they did. No, yeah, they had
no clue how old I was.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And so your background is in automotive and you have
what's what's the situation married with kids?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
How many can at least the background worked with automation
for a few years, and their headquarters in South Florida
started content creating mostly I guess heavily video wise over
COVID like everybody else. Got two kids, two and four.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
One of the way, Oh I don't think I remember that?
How close?
Speaker 5 (05:12):
One on the way October? Mid October?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
All right?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Cool? Yeah boys or girls?
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Two girls and the third one now is going to
be a boy.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So for you, man, it's awesome.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Man, let's just say, well, the third one, I don't
want to say, Sam, Maybe now I'll skip it.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
It wasn't it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, that's totally fair. That's totally fair.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
And he's like, what right, there's no.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
There's a lot in our midlife crisises that are unplanned.
That's an easy statement to make. Yeah all the time. Well,
what's it like your midlife? How you feeling you? You like, uh,
you know, never felt better? Are you looking back? Like
best years are behind me? What is going on in
my life? Like, what's what is a crisis? I guess
(05:58):
that it could be small, it could big that that
you kind of deal with or or have dealt with recently.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
You know, from me.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
And I was talking to somebody about this other day,
Like for me, it's mostly just like you know, making
enough and creating enough and leaving enough for my kids, right,
more than anything. That's like the means you know, stress
that I have on my head every day that I
think about constantly in the back of my head or
you know, all the time. But I was talking to
somebody the other day, I was like, man, we had
it so easy, like even years ago, ten years ago,
(06:29):
it was so easy. When you had no kids in
the picture, and you know, all you to worry about
was yourself. Like when you leave the house, now you
got to make sure you grab this, this and any
other things to take with you. But when it was
just you, and even if it was your spouse, like
it would just go and do whatever you want for
the whole day.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
So it's like it was so much easier back then.
But now this has become your new normal and you're
new easy where you're just like I just got to
do It's.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
A part of it.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So I think that thing of legacies, that's something that
we've talked about before. I think maybe William, that was
even your question of kind of like, you know, what,
what is going to be your legacy for your family?
And I think that's something that for sure in the midlife,
you know, I think it kind of hits you in
a way that it never did before.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Right, Yeah, absolutely, I think I was approaching it more
from like my artists self as far as the legacy,
and then we morphed it into especially with Tyson, about
the legacy for our children and for our family, which
which ultimately is the more important one, and kind of
where I'm focused as well right now and trying to
figure that out. I've got a five year old girl, Omar,
(07:33):
and I am a single dad, so I'm just trying
to like hold it together and get stuff like established
for the present before I can even really try to
dive more into like the long term legacy. I mean,
I have been spending some time to college fund and
getting that all set up, but like I'm just like
(07:54):
looking down at the next ten years, year and everything
and just trying to see, hey, calcul we do this.
Like for me, I feel like things were so easy
for me before the divorce compared to now, just because
like that dual thing come and like extra hand on you. Yeah,
(08:14):
I can't imagine it, but it's it's cool. I just
moved into a new house and it's been a crazy
summer so far. But now I'm like really excited for
thank you for being here and getting back to that
position where I can really be making a positive influence
on my daughter's future with with what I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I feel like there's some like creators out there who
are focused in the space that tell people that, hey,
when you hit your thirties, start planning for your future.
Retirement and your future kids like college funds or their
wedding funds or whatever it is, right, do that now
so you're not stressed out when you're forty or something
or later when they're born.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
You know, it needs to be some kind of a guidebook.
We don't get those.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
But would you like, oh shit, would you have done that?
I mean, Omar, let's say we're let's say we're sitting
at coffee. Well not us because we're the same age strangely,
but say you're sitting at coffee and you're thirty and
forty year old Omar comes up to you and it's like, okay, buddy,
you really need to think about like investing for the
future and thinking about a wedding fund and a college
fund for your kids. Would you do that or be
(09:22):
like that sounds like great advice and then just leave,
like I because that's one of those things that like
I always like wonder, you know, like the ghost of
Christmas future, Like yeah, I could go back and tell
myself like, ah, man, if you just like, don't spend
money on that thing, or you know, do move here instead,
or like whatever, not in a regretful sense, just in
like a wisdom sense, but I also know we're kind
(09:44):
of dumb and cocky and like, you know, I'll get
to that when I get to it kind of thing.
I don't know, but maybe maybe not for you. That's
why I'm curious.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, I mean, you don't know what you know until
you like actually face it, right. So it's like I
feel like if I came back to myself, I know me,
like how I function.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
If I told myself.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Hey, all you need to do right now is put
away fifty dollars a month to two hundred dollars a
month for a college fund for your kid in the future, right,
Just start that now, right, so you can start getting
heavy when you make more in the future. So if
it was like a tangible like figure or real figure,
like hey, do this now, Okay, I could throw fifty
dollars a month to side in like a fund or something.
(10:25):
But yeah, like, of course at that is you're not
even thinking about that. I wasn't thinking about having kids
at that age.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So yeah, I came from a science background. I used
to work in a laboratory and we definitely had like
HR come and talk to us about four oh one
k's and saving facts exactly when I was like early twenties,
and you know, I did whatever like the matching was,
but I didn't really take advantage of it, and I
(10:51):
definitely didn't understand like the real power of compounding interest.
And then now, yeah, it's like with the child with
the college fund. It's not like retirement, Like it's a
much shorter time frame. So it's like to get that
good compounding interest, got to be putting it in right now.
You know, my daughter's already five years old, losing out
all the time, So I'm trying to get like packed
(11:13):
that in as much as I can right now.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I started S five twenty nine account system as both
of my daughters were born right away, like because I actually.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Had a friend who did it.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
So he told me how much he ended up saving
until like his kid was ready to go to college.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
I was like, oh, it sounds pretty good. I have
to worry about it then later then, so I.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Don't really one thing about saving for the college fund
is I have no idea how much I should save,
Like how much do I need? Like how much is
it gonna be anything?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
It's good in my book, right it's like you have
something like my friend had saved up like eighty thousand
or ninety thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So that's like one year at state school.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, right, it's like I'm sure about house when I
was in college.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah, this went to an instant college, so it helped
out quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah that plus like in these scholarships he had, he
did pretty well. But yeah, but it's just like something's
better than nothing in that situation.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, do you feel omar, do you feel the like
it's all on me kind of like responsibility?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
My wife is not working correctly, She hasn't worked since
baby number one.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
She does want to go back. It's not she doesn't
want to.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, we had and one on the way face.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Yeah, but she's got her hands full as it is.
So she used to be a dental hygienis. It's a
lot of on theat type of job. So yeah, so
she's she hasn't worked since baby number one. It's you know,
she's she's worked a lot more as a mother for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, but of course, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I wonder what that's even gonna look like when our
kids are like that age, because the education system is
so up in the air right now in America, Like
there's so much more of a push like not to
like it's not as looked at as as positively anymore.
And then so one thing with that is like I've
got the five twenty nine too, with the matching from
(13:02):
the state. But then I'm also set up I also
set up a separate like roth Ira for Rowan she
can get when she's I think either eighteen or twenty one,
and then that one they can spend it on anything
instead of just like school. So I don't know, I'm
(13:22):
just trying to be a good idea. I should figure
it out, right.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I think that's one of those things that when I
was a kid, it was just like a foregone conclusion,
you'll go to college and then you know, college is
going to get you a good job. And that was
basically like it seemed like every parent only cared about
whatever it was going to do to get you into
a good job. Right, So it's like middle school's important
to get to a good high school, which means is
important get good grades so you can get to a
good college and get a good to college so you
(13:47):
can get a good job, and then I don't have
to worry about you.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It's like really just about it wasn't about you, it
was about them. It was like, I don't want to
worry about you, and to do that, I need to
make sure you hit these milestones. But what college costs
now and what the job market looks like? You know,
I think I did. I lived in Australia for a semester,
and that and Europe and Australia is usually included in
(14:11):
a lot of those types of cultural things. A gap
year where you just between college and or high school
in college or sometimes college in real world is just
very common. People go travel for a while and try
to figure out what they want to do. And you know,
it's like instead of paying during that time. I want
my doctors to go to college. I want my lawyers
(14:32):
to go to college. I want those people to be
highly educated and sophisticated in those specific fields. But does
a journalism major need to go Does you know a
general business degree that you could get on YouTube? Like,
I just wonder with a lot of those things. But
and I'm in the place too and where I am
in my life because my kids are sorry, my friends
(14:55):
have kids now in college freshman sophomore, which is wild
to me. I'm married late for the South at thirty one,
where my you know, friends are married at nineteen twenty
twenty one? Well, the South, it is.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Down here where thirty six.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Oh yeah, See, like big cities are like slow down
thirty five. You're too young. What are you doing? I
was in La people like that, it's way too young.
You're too young. It was like, my friends are like,
are you inviting us to a wedding or a funeral?
How old are you now that you're getting married. It's like, yeah,
are you dead? Are you old? And so, you know,
we're having these conversations too with them about you know,
what are you guys doing for secondary education? And it's
(15:33):
it's you know, you can't. I think it's hard to deny.
Did you guys both go to college?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, So I think it's hard to deny the social aspect.
That's one of those things that's hard to say. Yes.
But you know, like it's like that to me is
really the only thing. And who knows, you know, ellis
she is very artistic and maybe she you know, goes
to like you know, NYU for a year and then
(16:00):
just decides to go professional or whatever. Lowick is an
athlete who knows what happens with him, so you know,
I don't know, but it's I don't think it's as
much of a foregone conclusion as before, so it does
make me. I do have a five two nine for Elis,
But I'm also like, you know, I guess recently I
was talking to my tax guy about this. I think
it's state to state, but recently, at least in Georgia,
(16:20):
you can now roll that into a wroth so as
if they decide to if they get a full scholarship,
you're like, well, I saved eighty grand, what happens to it? Now?
I got to spend it? And they're already you know,
so you can roll that over whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So cool.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
There's there's things like that.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
That I think actually I might have to look into
that too. Yeah, because nine only because my friend did it. Yeah,
I was like, all right, it's an important thing to
have for college, right, Yeah, I think you're right. With
the current way college is perceived, it might be better
to have another type of uh source that can let
them use that money for anything they want to do.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah, and who knows, maybe those laws change in you
know whatever twenty years or I guess eighteen years. When
you know, your kids start heading up that way, So
it's impossible to know for sure. But I also think
there was a guy and I can't remember who was.
He's a businessman who basically offered people instead of going
to college, I'll give you one hundred thousand to invest
in a business and start a business. I don't yeah,
(17:17):
And I was like, that's kind of cool, what an
interesting thought. I don't know if I would have taken that.
I don't know if at that time, I don't think
I had the business mind or acumen to be able
to pull that off.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Would you guys think because you did, because you didn't
trust yourself, or because.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
You were I just don't think I would have to
have like a mentor for sure walking me through it.
Like I just wasn't wired in me to start a business.
It was wired to me to work for a business,
right like that whole like employer versus employee. And it
was just more so that was just like the assumption
is like, Okay, I'll go work at a job instead
of like let me go start a career, you know.
(17:54):
And that came later. That came when I moved to
LA and basically kind of started my own career that way.
But I don't know, would you guys take that if
you're if you're eighteen and someone said like.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
This or that, because the reason I wanted to go
to college was for like the fun, for the community,
for the partying. Like yeah, so I don't know. I
wouldn't have been very interested in like starting a business
at eighteen or whatever. I was trying to go meet
people and party. Really, let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Be honest.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
It's funny.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
A lot of people say that it's like college is
one good for education, and I agree with you on that,
is that, you know, it's important for somebody who wants
to be a doctor, engineer, or lawyer, some kind of
like real profession. I'm not saying that what everybody else
does is not a profession, but like something that requires
a lot of training.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Right, Yeah, very important for those people.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I also think that being social what I've seen, yeah,
you know, dealing with people in my life that have
social anxiety or like, you know me, I'm just like
an open book and very talkative whatever.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
I think that comes from within the daily.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Immediate family and the people you grew up around, right,
I think that's like instilled in you very early, whether
you're going to get a social butterfly or you're not.
So it's like, you know, even I see people in
college that have trouble being social, right, So it's like
I think it's like the early on development of kids
to like, you know, my kids are super social because
(19:25):
they see me being social and my wife being special.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
My girls will walk up to anybody randomly and like grocery, like, Hi,
how are you?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Like, you know, like chill up?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah, right right? They pull that back a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I know. I wish I could be like my daughter
see somebody go up to them, like, hey, you want
to play? That would be sweet, like.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
You want to play catch as adults.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
But the other thing about college is you like most
people don't know what they want to do. You know,
they go to college to hopefully figure out what they
want to do.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Right about it? Did you I think college?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Because like now, like when I think about college now, right,
my time in college? Of course, not many people who
don't become a doctoral or engineer use everything they learned
in college, right or study?
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Right, I don't use.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
A single single was what was your major?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Economics and political science?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Okay? Right?
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Not a single thing that I've ever done in my life,
Like if I've majored in economics anything like financially related,
I'm the worst financial planner in the world.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
So it's like, you know, what are you talking about here?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Right, So it's like, great, I feel like there's so
much more opportunity now for this generation to go out
and figure out what they want to do.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
The gig outside of right, Yeah, there's so many ways
to get a job or start a job outside of
That's a really good point.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I wish I was young now, like in my twenties, yeah,
because I would have murdered everybody because as hard as
I work, like my work ethic is insane.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
So it's like that's one thing I kind of pride
myself on.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Right, it was like if I did if I was
twenty now without kids, forget about it came.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Over Yeah, yeah, came over right. I know. Well, that's
you bring up a good point. We talk a lot
about like life balance and stuff as well. Especially you know,
William has basically has his daughter for a week on
and then a week off, and so his work life
balance looks different than mine with two kids. My wife
and are both freelance, so you know, we're we're always
juggling schedules and and all that. In fact, we were
(21:25):
going to record yesterday, but you couldn't because your wife
was out and you had both kids. My wife just
got on a plane today to go shoot something in
New York. So I had the kids and I had
to you know. So it's like it's all logistics, right,
and but that work life balance is one of those
things that I think can be really hard with kids.
But I also think sometimes like if the kids are
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all out and I'm like, man, I just wish I
had four straight hours, and then the kids are gone,
and I'm like after about an hour and a half,
I'm like, well, I don't know what to do now.
You know. It's kind of like because you get so
used to working under those circumstances and if you know
you've only got an hour, you're gonna you're gonna nail
down and crush it versus like you know, I remember
being you know, in La I was twenty six and single,
(22:08):
and it's like I got twenty two hours to do anything,
and it's like, well, I'm probably going to sleep, maybe
go for a run, go work at the restaurant for
a little bit, then come home and say, I don't
have enough time. So it's like I never know. You
never say you have it, like you never feel like
you have enough time until you look back and you're like,
but this, I had a ton of time then, but
(22:28):
I have no time now. And then you have five
kids and you're like, what were we doing with two kids?
We had all the time in the world. Now we
have no time, you know how because you have now
we have two five and twelve. And then we have
a twenty nine year old foster daughter who's not really
in the day to day, but she's in the mix emotionally,
and I had dinner with her last night. Actually, so yeah,
(22:51):
so's she's in the mix. But that's yeah. That's one
of those things that I remember. I remember learning when
I was younger because you'd meet like high school students
and they're like, oh, man, middle school, I wish I
could just go back. And then you meet college kids
and college kid you're like, nobody wanted to do high school.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
No, well, nobody wanted to do Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
That's fair. Maybe maybe not so much middle school. I
certainly didn't. I was glad to get out yeah, but
maybe the college to high school. Right, You're in high
schools like so much homework to do a work so
hard with it. But and then you get to college
and you're like, what was I doing? That was for nothing?
This is where it matters. And then just like grinding, grinding,
and then you get out and you're like, now I
have no time. College. I had all the time in
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the world. I'd go play frisbee at night, or I'll
go play basketball or stay up till two with my friends.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I will say that even though I didn't like directly
use what I learned in college, I almost did almost.
I was a scientist for several years, so I did
use my biology degree for a while, but then I
also did photojournalism classes and now I want to use
hard yeah. Yeah, so I mean it was only two
classes I took in college, but it was like the
(23:56):
experience and it like gave me a camera to try
out for the first time, and eventually that became my career.
So the experience is still super valuable when you.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Entered yourself in the beginning, he said underwater photogra I
was like, what, like that is so cool?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Like oh yeah, I mean me, well, william Is easily.
We always to out the greatest underwater photographer in all
of Colorado, certainly Denver, the landlocked state of Colorado. But
he photographed Billie Eilish's cover photo. He was the one
who produced that and shot that and hit her album
where she's like falling through the water through a door
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took a blue.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Back, right, Yeah, that is awesome.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Then this Friday, we're actually having a big event. It's like,
we filmed a little artist profile about me last year,
which kind of segues from me doing wildlife photography photographing
whales and sea lions and sharks and all that into
a more artistic underwater photography with the Billie Eilish shoot
(24:59):
and stuff. So we're having a huge party on Friday.
It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
That's so so fun.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
It's weird in Colorado. I mean, I find that.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
So amazing to be underwater and have like artistic cell
going on in your head, like hey, like capturing beautiful
images at the same time. Like that balance is awesome,
But and too, I feel like shit because I'm not
filming for the past like four days because raining outside.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
He's like underwater, no problem.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Why does it stop that? Omar, what about you?
Speaker 5 (25:29):
I got this. I'm like, it's raining, yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Oh it's a little sprinkle. I don't go out with
my camera, I know.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Go it's been raining a ton here like it has
been in New Jersey too, So I got to go
do a shoot this weekend and all the like streams
and rivers are like gushing with water and you're excited.
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Is it good or is that bad?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's not good because then it's harder to like, the
visibility is worse and it's dangerous and.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Because now it's aid, Yeah, yeah, just like a coy pond.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
I'm scarious, dangerous situation. You've been it?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Oh, it's usually not very scary, Honestly, I've had very
few situations where I've been like scared. But I did
get attacked by a sea lion once, and that was
pretty scary. I was photographing for filming for a documentary.
It was like two weeks straight filming in Monterey Bay, California,
just like eight hours a day, mostly by myself filming.
(26:32):
We're trying to film cormorants and it's really cool behavior
actually where giant green sea and enemies can actually eat
large animals. So we're trying to film these sea enemies
eating birds.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
WHOA.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
We did it. It came out. It was amazing footage.
But there was all these sea lions every day like
blowing bubbles at me and like getting a little closer.
And then on like the last day, like day fourteen
of the shoot or something, I was kind of nestled
up in the rocks and Monterey kind of like filming
the female sea lions coming down and doing swoops. And
(27:06):
I'm pretty sure that the big male thought that I
was moving in on his harem and uh snuck out
behind me and just grabbed me by the shoulder and
just literally shook me like six feet this way, six
feet that way, just like and I was just moving
through the water like that. I was wearing like a
really thick, dry, like wet suit of compressed his compressing
(27:28):
pretty dry suit, so he didn't like puncture the suit
and it didn't hurt me, like it didn't like actually
get me, but it scared the shit out of me
as it was. And then I like tried to tuck
back into the rocks even further, and he came back
again and did like a little head fake boo. Then
(27:48):
he bit my camera and busted the dome on the camera.
Like it didn't it didn't flood, but he cracked it.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
And then I was just like my head was like
dress Park where the t Rex comes and just goes Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah, yeah, that's how visioning meets the Revenant. It's basically Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
The most major situation I've faced is driving a Rolls
Royce in Camden, New Jersey, So.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Probably a lot higher fatality that.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Actually, that's true.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
We joked that like the most dangerous part of scuba
diving is is driving to the dive site, so.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Because it's usually like some sketchy area that people aren't around.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Just because like there's really not very many accidents for diving,
and there are, Yeah, that's true. I mean in special
like cave diving, rebreather diving, there's a lot more things
that go wrong, but typically just the kind of scuba
diving that I like to not dangerous.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
How long can you hold your breath underwater?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
You said it's not very long. Right now, when I'm training,
I can do like three minutes or so.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
That's wowd I saw that Tom Cruise had to hit
like six minutes for one of the one of the
seas that they did not this past movie, but another
one where he was underwater, and I was just like
six minutes. I couldn't even stand still for six minutes
much more.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Hold my Seeing all this Tom Cruise content has just
been making me feel like shit.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
So much.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
This guy is just like.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Dangerous about a guy who avoided his midlife crisis. Other
than all the scientology stuff maybe and and like his
his various marriages, but that guy just seems to skate
above all of the things. Like does he ever wake
up sore in bed? I don't think so. I don't
think he just rolls out and is like, I don't
know why my leg hurts.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
He doesn't go to the doctor and the doctor's like, yeah,
you just live with that pain now, that's just existing.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Your Yeah, exactly. Sorry, all the holding is bread for
six minutes. He was probably breathing pure oxygen before, so
that makes it a lot easier. Okay, that's what we
did on the Billie Eilish shoot. Should breathe like pure
oxygen above water, and then when you do that, your
your blood cells are like super are charged with oxygen,
so it's a lot easier to hold your breath for longer.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Is that is that? I've seen some of those, like
at the airport kiosks where it's like sit down for
five minutes and breathe pure oxygen. Is that legit? Is
that like really helpful?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Like if you're arriving, if you're hungover, how how does
that help?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I don't know, but I heard it's really good for that.
And like there for a while it was like trending
where there was more and more oxygen like bars.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah, yeah, it was like who, I guess the hookah
bars oxygen bars.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, but yeah, I think it
makes you feel better some.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Good oxygen omar. In terms of being in your midlife,
is there anything that you feel like maybe you didn't
expect now you're in your forties, that that you know,
when you were younger, you never would have considered. You
talked about like the wanting to leave a legacy and uh,
you know, and wanting to basically take care of you know,
this this crew that is now your family. Anything else
(31:01):
that kind of is like you know, a nagging thing
or something that you consider like people always told me
that's your midlife, you know kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
I guess health wise, like working out more like younger,
or building a healthier lifestyle where you were you know,
active consistently, because even if you're not like overweight, and
if you're not like active to the point where you're
like at least walking and you know, running or doing
something like I do. This guy in Mercedes pr in Germany,
(31:30):
he would always, like every morning, wake up and go
for like a three to four mile run, right, like
long distances too, unless yeah, more than four miles.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
At times, I would be like, man, this guy's.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Such an overachiever, right yeah, Like everybody else is grabbing
breakfast and he's like coming back from his run, and
like I used to see him frequently on these trips,
and you know, on Instagram is always posting about running,
and he still does it till this day.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
He's like I think forty five or fifty probably now
he still doesn't day and I'm like, man, I wish
I had something that I'd stayed dedicated to, like whether
it's running or walking every day or something to just
get your body and the healthier.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Future.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Right, Yeah, it's not too late to start running.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
My sister just started. She's forty five and it's been
really nice having her I run, and like, it's great
having more people around you who run. The easier it
is to get on runs, like, the easier it is
to be motivated when you're not motivated. There's so many
times my sister will send me her really slow short
run shout of it, sorry, Kerry, And then I'll go
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for a run, Like last night I went for a
run at.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Like just to piss her off and show her up. Yeah,
I see your eight minute and I raise you to
seven minute pace.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Go have you done any running? It's great, It's so fun.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
It's cool that it's like what do you have somebody
to like challenge with like that, Like, hey, let's see
if I can beat your time.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I don't know anybody.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Around me that does that at all, Like zero friends
that are like zero any type of activities.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Right, So it's like.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I just started, like two weeks ago, where waking up
before the family wakes up to go downstairs on the treadmill,
but at least a mile.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
To get my day go about the day like you know,
do other things.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Very recent I'm trying to stay motivated to like keep
up at it. I mean, I'm not like a person
who sits around all the time either like I'm not
like I come into my office as like I'm in
my office right now, come in me here like maybe
twice a week or once every two weeks because I'm
always out filming or out doing something. But still like
(33:39):
I wanted to. I always wanted to have something like
get addicted to, like I used to play tennis in
high school, which I continue doing that, but you.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Know that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Is there anything else, like health wise that you've noticed
in your midlife that's not like it used to be,
like needing more sleep or eating better or dot stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Oh my god, sleep is like the thing that I
wish I could tackle, like for for me.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Throughout the day.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Like it's like, you know, there's there's never enough hours
in the day to work, right, especially if it's all
on you. Right, So it's like I try to be
home as soon as the kids come home from daycare,
right because like that's like number one to me no
matter what, right, just spending time with them. So I'm
there and they don't go to sleep. My girls are
insomniacs and they don't go to sleep till like nine
thirty ten eleven times they're hanging out and then like
(34:31):
I'll start working more after they go to bed. And
like when you're in the world that we're in of
like creating stuff, and you're focused in on editing or
like you know, doing a photo or something like you know,
editing a photo, editing a video, hours go by you
don't even notice, right right, The only time it clicks
in my head is I have my lamp in my
living room to automatically shut off at two AM, and like, crap,
(34:53):
it's two am. I go to sleep, right, So it's like, dude,
go upstairs and I'm up by like six thirty seven day.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You're able to do that, You don't, I am.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I'm focus today, but yeah, I wish I had more.
It does catch up to me frequently. It's not like
I'm like, oh, I'm just superhuman and I can function well,
Like I wish I could lock in a good six
to seven hours day.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
How does it catch up to you?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Oh, just like probably by tomorrow it will be crashing
midday and just like sitting on a cash and I
had all this ship playing to do and I'd never
get to it. Yeah, I just like just laziness overall.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
You just want to snap at him and sometimes but yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I've definitely been like that for a long time too,
where staying up super late, getting up super early. But
I don't know. I think because I'm getting older, I
struggle with the nowadays and like my focus is messed
up and I can't Yeah, so I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Oh yeah, dude. Sleep. Somebody told me this thing and
I'll never forget it, and I think it just is
so I think about this all the time. Sleep is
the best way to prevent death. Basically. Sleep is the
step before death. Sleep is the only thing stopping you
from dying, basically. And I was like, that's really interesting.
(36:12):
He saw a whole Ted talk on it. Whatever, I
haven't watched the Ted talk, but just that quote, I thought,
is a really interesting way to summize it and or
summarize it. I think for me, we were talking about
this last week or on last week's episode about mental
health and if I don't have the sleep that I need,
that crushes my mental health. I'm shorter with people, I'm
not as confident, I'm certainly not as sharp. I used
(36:35):
to work like I had a similar workflow as you omar,
where it was like but when I was single and
I would come home from working in the restaurant and
then it's like, I'm going to edit this video until
two in the morning. If I could edit till two
and get up at six, it's probably enough sleep, and
then I could still do this other thing. It was
like as much as I could cram in as possible.
But then now after about nine o'clock, I am toast.
(36:59):
I can't. It takes me an hour to do something
that would take me fifteen minutes in the morning to
write an email or to edit a video. It's it's
usually not done well. So I just like acknowledge that,
like that's just not going to happen. So I tried
to be that way, like oh yeah, it's a great
opportunity for me to work. Kids are asleep, you know,
work from ten to twelve, and I'm just sitting there
going like, eh, it's like what I got to go
(37:21):
to sleep. This is stupid.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
You know. I kind of alternate between staying up late
and then going to bed like early. So yeah, I'm
either going to bed by like ten or two.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Ten is my top.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Man, Like, It's it's weird because like, you know what
you just said, like, not having enough sleep is like death.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Right, you're signing your own death certificate.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
I just saw that post you know, you know Steve Barrett,
the Diary of a CEO of that podcast.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Yeah, he just posted a video with some like sleep you.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Know, STAPs or something like yeah. Like oh okay, she was.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Like, oh, you know, anybody who stays a week between
the hours at ten pm to four am is basically
just like killing themselves. Yeah, it's like basically kill themselves.
I'm like, oh, well that's me, so algorithm new Even
if that people say to me, dre my face and like, yeah,
I'm still sting up too, right right.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
This is what I mean by like the whole like,
if if I had known at twenty five, I should
invest You're like, I don't know, Omar, I don't know
that about you, bro.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Maybe not. Maybe. The other thing is is like long
term memory is created when you're sleeping, right, So like
if you don't get enough sleep, then you don't remember
those things as well. Oh wow, a short term memory.
Yeah sure, I mean does for me for sure. I
mean not because ever that good in the first place,
but yeah, definitely I noticed that if I'm not getting
(38:42):
much sleep, I am more likely to forget things too.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah, well that makes that makes any you get young kids?
Oh coffee all day?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Man?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah right, yeah, yeah so much? And yeah, I try
to say over two cups a day. I try to
limit myself to that, giving me eyes like he's doing
more than that. What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I drink like a full pot of coffee a day
at least, which is like ten cups of coffee.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Wow, that's solid even impressed, omar, what are you at?
Speaker 5 (39:13):
Zero? Really like?
Speaker 4 (39:14):
I drink maybe like coffee once in a while, maybe
once a week. I've been staying away from any type
of like caffeinated drinks because I was drinking Celsius a
lot for a while. Oh yeah, I pulled back on it.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
You're part of that Instagram power influencer crowd drinking your celsius.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
People say it's like the healthiest energy drink or whatever.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Okay, it's like keeping huh I.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Have My twelve year old niece told me it was
the least healthy lunch.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Really, it can't be worse than monster monster.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Yeah, but now I'm sure once a week I'll drink
a Celsius or something if I really need it.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I am ready to stop drinking as much coffee. It
doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yeah, that's the thing too, the whole cup in the morning.
It's more about the ritual in the morning.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
For me.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
It's like especially if I can do like a pour
over and like grind the beans and like I like
the creation moment of it. Or sometimes I'll just do
espress so just then express, so.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
Just the kids, you have that time to do just.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Five and twelve. Well, I'm probably the morning. I'm the
morning crowd, So I'm up at five, hit the gym.
Back by about six. In the summer, everybody's sleeping until seven,
so I get like forty five minutes of just quiet.
I would rather get up early and have like a
clear mind moment at the beginning then than to feel
(40:35):
like I'm behind the ball the whole time, you know,
like just wake up. When my kids wake up, then
I'm already I've already lost because they're just waking up
in different emotional states and I'm not even ready. I
go to sleep between ten and eleven. If I can
go to bed at ten, then I'm I'm thrilled, and
I'm up at around five.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
So six hours sleep.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah, consistently we these days I take off, I'm sleep right.
And I also find that the hours I get better
sleep between, like you know, like eight to twelve, then
I do like at a a PM. Then I would
in the morning. If I slept until somehow I slept
(41:16):
till nine am, I'm not going to feel, yeah, totally refreshed,
because for me, at least anything after about six is
just kind of like a waste, Like seven whatever, sleep
another two hours and I feel the same as if
I got up two hours before. But if I go
to bed at nine or nine thirty and I wake
up at four thirty or five, I'm like jazzed. So
(41:36):
for me, I know that about my own kind of
circadian rhythm and clock and stuff like that's just those
are there's it's like a two for one value on
before midnight than it is, you know, I kind of
after midnight.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
I've been also like practicing a lot recently.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Is like if you do something that like if there's
a habit that you're trying to break, right, Like I said,
like no matter what anybody he tells me, I will
not go to sleep early. Right if there's like a
habit that I've noticed with myself that I'm trying to bake.
I gotta stay dedicated to it for like a week
or two. I just force myself to do it no matter.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
What, whether that accountability. I'm going to text you. I'm
going to text you every day and say go to
bed at ten o'clock and let's see if it works.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
There's a new TikTok train right now where guys are
calling their friends and saying good that buddy.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yes, we talked about this on the last episode You
Call a Guy, And we also talked about it from
the context of like dudes just don't like talk that way,
you know, like we're talking about mental health. How you
just don't bring it up. Usually it's like whatever, screw it,
I'm just going to work through it, you know kind
of thing. But that element of like actually peeling back
a little bit of that curtain, like caring about someone
in the power of accountability.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yeah, and it's like you don't know how to give
it or accept it. That's what that's right. It's like
it's the funniest thing ever. But yeah, that's a It's
like if I just stay dedicated to something for a
week or two, just keep doing it working myself to
do it even if I don't want to do it,
because there are days where.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
You're like, f this, I don't want to do it.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yeah, and like if we just force yourself, eventually it
just becomes like habit. Right, So that's what I'm like
trying to do. So maybe I'll do that. I'll do
that for like a week, no matter what.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Not, maybe by ten we're making the change right now,
at least for a week.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
I got a plan one thing, figured it out, editing
earlier in the day, right, so that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
So okay, right, you do eleven. I mean that's a
colomized little bit.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
Yeah, waking up at five because it gives you time
to go work out. Get that out of the way.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
It's even be even if now and we did talk
about there's like a whole self help episode where it
was like, wake up at five, go to the gym,
do all these things. And if that doesn't naturally appeal
to you, don't try to force it, because then you're
gonna be pissed off the whole time, like what is
this stupid book? Or like these guys told me to
do this thing?
Speaker 2 (43:53):
I want to do it.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, five am club.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
There's no other hour of the day. We'll take time
to work out, right, It's exactly nice.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
It's unrealistic it's going to happen because if I want
to go to sleep at ten or eleven, even my
girls don't go to sleep and settle down until nine
thirty ten, so there's no hour reckon go.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
And I will say we moved our kids' bedtimes way
earlier if possible. Like my son, we're doing bath in
bed with him around seven or seven thirty and we've
always done that. And Ellis used to be that way.
Now she's a preteen, so you know she's like up
until ten because her mind doesn't stop kind of thing.
Hormones are going crazy. But in terms of like sometimes
(44:32):
there's the reality of life too. You can't be like, hey, honey,
I'm off to bed because I made an agreement with
my guys enjoy taking care of the kids tonight. You know,
it's like there has to be some reality in there. Yeah, exactly,
I need to get some sleep, honey, I need to
get sleep.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
It's like I'm gonna have my face.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
She's like, I packed your bag, you can go, You're done,
thank you, Bye bye. So well, that's cool. Well, thank you.
Uh yeah. We usually kind of wrap up around now,
and we usually do like a little takeaway. So we
talked about a lot of different stuff today, from sleep obviously,
to work life balance, to investing in finances and secondary education.
(45:15):
We had a little bit of everything. William, what's your takeaway?
And then Omar will go to you.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I think for me, the takeaway is that I should
maybe start working late into the night.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Again, No, you've gone the wrong direction. Omar is clearly successful.
But just because that's what he does does not mean
you need to do that, William.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Oh No, but I do, Omar, it is I see you, like,
I think it's impressive that you're able to like go
back to work after your kid goes to bed. And
you know, I've talked about in this podcast a lot.
That's usually what my plan is. And sometimes I'm successful
and sometimes I'm not. So like you know, the little
(45:59):
moments like me and my sister texting each other about running,
like hearing that you're able to do that doing that consistently,
Like that's cool for me because there definitely are times
where even though I do value sleep a lot, like
sometimes it is good for me to go back to
work after she goes to bed at like nine or ten.
So that's my takeaway.
Speaker 5 (46:16):
Well, I think YE love it. Same for me.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
It's like I have to really force myself except on Saturday.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
Nights, to go to sleep super early.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
And not super early like ten after the girls go
to bed, I should just close everything and go to bed.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
It's a future, it's future omar thanking current omar. That's
what that you got to think of that like from
a discipline standpoint.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
Yeah, one thing I will say that it's something that
I've been doing for a while and that I just saw.
They did a study on this was that people that
watch the same show over and over again, right, especially
if it's a comedy show, have a lot more emotional
stability in.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Their life than interest.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
So that always watch new shows because they know what's coming,
they know how to handle it right, versus a new
show that's kind of like on their mind and they're
always thinking about it. It's like creating more of a
thought in there. So I no matter what every day
I have either The Office, Modern Family or Big Bank Theory,
(47:22):
I have to watch an episode of two all those
just to like I need comedy in my life no
matter what round zero. It's like life is just so
crazy all the time. I'm like, I need some kind
of comedic relief every day, So I watch an hour
of either show every day.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Oh man, I haven't watched The Office in so long,
and I love it.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
That is so good. My wife does the Office, Parks
and rec those are the two that she loves. Yes, yeah,
those are so classic. I think my takeaway is I'm
encouraged by just a reminder that we're not alone. Like
all of us are kind of going through this together,
and I love to hear omar what you're going through
and how you're facing it and how different that is.
(47:58):
But at the same time it's not. We're still thinking
about the same things, are still trying to figure out
the same things. And that's the hope of this podcast
is just a reminder of community, reminder of people that, like,
you're not alone in feeling weird about should I work late?
Should I not? I get up early? I go to
bed late. And I love the tip there of find
to show that you love already and try it out
(48:19):
for you know, to on repeat that clearly that means
my wife is very emotionally stable. I am not. When
I finished something, I'm on to the next. I'm stoked
about finishing the Bear because season three is coming up.
Got to get through it. Just got to get through it.
Just got to get through it. So but that that
focus makes sense because I'm not emotionally stable. So that works.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
You enjoyed them?
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Yeah, watch it over and over. Yeah, that's good. And
I'm going to text you. I'm texting you ten o'clock, buddy.
This is this is how we're going to do this
to report back and we'll let our viewers know. There
you go, done, there it is. Consider it done perfect.
I love it all right. Well, thanks everybody for listening,
(49:00):
and Omar thanks for being our special guest today. Love
having you on and keep Chrisis seeing everyone. We'll see
you on the next week.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
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