Beaks (aka Birds Of Prey) & Killing Birds (aka Zombie 5)

Look to the sky, for death comes for thee. This week, it's two killer bird movies with multiple names. First up, birds attack people in BEAKS. Then, more birds attack more people in KILLING BIRDS. Oh, and there's zombies for some reason.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 4 (00:55):
Answer, Rain, if you're talking, we can't hear you.

Speaker 5 (00:58):
I'm not. I don't want to interrupt your conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Just just hanging waiting for you, homie.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
That's your first mistake. Did I decipher your message correctly, Doug?
Was today Lando's birthday?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:15):
The message? Did I say that implied.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
That a bunch of emojis?

Speaker 3 (01:21):
I sent a message with emojis? Why would I do that?

Speaker 5 (01:25):
There's one on Facebook that says eight years later and
then has a calendar page, a hour glass, and then
two footprints.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
But you're telling me I sent that.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
It's literally on your Facebook. I'm staring at it right now. Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
I don't know how those emojis got there. I think
they're the default emojis to the like. It was like,
here's a memory, and you can add a picture from
now that matches it, and then I think those are
just the default emojis that came with it.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
But there's nothing after it. It's literally that's the only
that's the post.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
No, No, I'm looking at the post now, and there's
pictures to go with it. It's one of those memories things
that Facebook does.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
I see you posted a memory on November nineteenth.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Correct, and one that I posted now.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
Yeah, that one must be a private one because it
doesn't show up.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Other people have liked it. Not trying to brag, but
I have four likes on it, so clearly they can
see the pictures. I don't see why they would like
that random shit that you're seeing.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
Uh, because I also liked it because I assumed it
was Lando's birthday. No, by the message that you put
although I'm like, it seems like he's older than eight,
But what the fuck do I know?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, it's anyways, I don't know you're doing it wrong.
I don't know what you're doing wrong.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
I'm not The other one of the other people is Tracy.
I bet if we ask Tracy, she'd be like, yeah,
I thought it was birthday code message.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Too, Tracy. I think already emailed in, did she Yeah,
so was it Tracy? I think it was Tracy that
sent me a message and said I emailed in, make
sure Brian reads it. And I forgot all about that
until right now when you bring it up.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
I don't. I didn't see him email. Come in today.
Pull it up just in case does it.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Does it make you guys feel good to know that
the blower and my furnace stopped working this morning, So yes,
it is freezing. It is freezing fucking cold in my house.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Well, I don't want your blower to not work, because
that's a pain in the ass, but I do like
that you're uncomfortable, So I'm sort of.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Get ready to spend six thousand dollars and have a
new furnace put in.

Speaker 6 (03:38):
Have you looking at just replacing the blower motor I did,
and to have the blower motor replaced was going to
be like two thousand dollars, and for five thousand then
some change, I could just replace the entire system.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
So I was like, might as well just upgrade?

Speaker 3 (03:57):
You should You should know a guy because I knew
a guy and when my blower motor went it costs
two hundred bucks.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Yeah, that would be dope because.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
It's literally like you just ordered the part and then
they just pull the old motor out put the new
motor in, which is simple for people who know how
to do that, it's not simple for me.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
True.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
True that.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
There's no email from Tracy, so she's a liar, all right.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
I accept that that's.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Weird because Tracy's usually a straight shooter.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
Well really, living in England, She's just like, Oh, I
can fuck with these guys. They're going through an existential
crisis right now. I can just make shuit up. This
email Eye Show is from Liam Austin, which was it
was a spam one that said, hey, I can I
can make your audience grow on your podcasts.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
You don't need to read the spam emails out loud.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Do you think maybe maybe we've got such a high
spam audience ratio that it put Tracy into the spam folder.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
I looked at the spam folder.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Maybe we have a special folder for messages that aren't spam.
Just holy ship, this one doesn't look like spam. Uh.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
The last one that's in the spam folter is from
Beating Neuron and it says, level up your podcast more listeners.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
You don't need.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
You don't need to do that. Those from those from
two days ago. So Tracy is a liar. Yeah, we
can all agree that Tracy is a liar, and uh,
she should be mocked thoroughly.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
I refuse to participate in this. This hurt full Tracy bashing.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
Well, well, it's stop making up lies.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Then we still we still have lots of Tracy suggestions
to put in fanywhere. If she stops, it's fine.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
Her ghost will live on through the show.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
For qu quit's listening, We're still like every week is
still her suggestion. All right, that's enough of that nonsense.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Hey Doug, you picked horrible movies for this week.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
I picked European films from nineteen eighty seven where birds
are supposed to be killing people. I don't know how that.
I don't know how that could have gone wrong.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
As I said, do you want to start off telling
us about uh beaks aka birds of prey aka something else?
Speaks the movie Beaks the movie, Yeah, seas the movie,
not to be confused with the Beaks of the TV
show or Beaks the video game.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
It's it's Peaks the movie on two B. But it's
just Beaks from my local library where I borrowed it.
So I don't know the difference. I think there is
a mild difference in the cut actually, but I didn't
look up what it is because this movie doesn't deserve that.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Nope.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
So Peaks the movie is a let's see, there's there's birds, right,
and they just start like attacking people. After a while
they stop, and that's your plot description. There's one sort
of character which is a reporter who's reporting on it,
but she doesn't like she literally like, she goes to

(07:17):
report on it and then they just call her and go,
everybody's getting attacked.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
So we're not, Yeah, she doesn't do a very good job.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
She's like, they're like, it's not even really news at
this point because everybody's being attacked.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
I mean, is that weird? That this movie is essentially
pretty close to the plot of the happening. It's birds
attacking people instead of plants. Going weird pretty much. I'm
ninety percent sure m Night Shambalan solve this movie. And
was like, h but what if treats.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Yes, plants instead of birds.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
That's funny.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
That's that's the twist. It's the plants, not the birds.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
This stuff well, this this movie does hint at a sequel,
and it's closing scenes. But I thought maybe they're hinting
at fish. Maybe they're hinting at water plankton.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Is that what it was? I thought it was supposed
to be mosquitoes.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Oh maybe, Okay, you.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Guys paid way more attention than I was paying by.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yah as this as the scene is going in like
the final like dialogue where they're just like and then
the fucking birds just stopped because we were at the
official running time for a future length film. And then
the they're like, but anything could happen, And there's all
these shots of the water and there is something in
the water. It could be some throw water bugs or

(08:34):
mosquitoes or something. But I mean they're trying to let
us know that if we keep polluting, some other animal
will rise up against us, as the birds did in
this film.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Mm hmm. So the interesting thing about this movie it
was marketed as a sequel to Alfred Ditchcock's The Birds overseas.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Well, there isn't like there is a part in the
middle where they're like, hey, this happened once before, we
should go find the people from that village. But then
it's not the people from the pre from the Birds, like, like,
are those supposed to be characters from the Birds, because
like the whole like when they go, oh, this happened
once before or thirty years ago, I'm like, okay, so

(09:14):
obviously they're referencing the birds, but not officially right. But
then they went and actually met people from that town,
and I'm like, I guess, like there was lots of
people in the town. Like it doesn't have to be
the main characters in the movies that they go to see,
just anybody who was in the town at the time
of the Birds happening.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
I mean, also, we're talking about a European film where
they just will willye Nelly be like this is a
sequel to have that movie.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
They do do that we might might be discussing that
later on.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
That's why there's ten sequels to Evil Dead Overseas.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, but this one, I mean guess to be fair,
they don't specifically say it in the film. It may
have been in the marketing.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
I'm not sure this also happened in Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Just it would have been about relying a dialogue in
the movie.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Remember that movie.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
There wasn't that much dialogue in the movie. They could
have fit that in.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
W fuck fuck him in his intellectual property rights.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
I will get this movie at least credit that there
is a ton of birds attacking people. Yeah, something that
we may discuss is lacking in the next movie.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
I was gonna say, I think the main theme of
this movie is we've got all this stock footage of
flocks of birds. Can we make a movie out of that?

Speaker 3 (10:34):
It's yeah, because it's less of a narrative and more
of a collection of scenes of birds attacking people. And
it's like because when the movie starts, like the very opening,
they peck that guy's eye out, and I'm like, yeah,
we're in a movie. I'm liking this because they cut
his face and his eyeballs hanging out and it's all
bloody and gory, and I'm like, I'm in favor of this.

(10:57):
And then a few minutes later, the birds clap crash
plane by like breaking through the windows and fucking with
the pilot, and I'm like, I'm all. I was really
into the first few minutes of this film because of that,
and then I kept thinking, Okay, now, what's the plot
going to be? Like I thought that thought, and then
that wasn't There was no plot. It was just more

(11:17):
scenes of the birds attacking people. Eventually, the old guy
who gets his eye picked out later in the movie,
he's like at his grandson's birthday party and the birds
show back up and he's got an eyepatch on, and
it's like it's like our hero's journey, where this time
he's going to stand up to the birds, but he's
just not strong enough at this time. They finish him
off and he.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Shoots that bird, and I'm ninety percent sure that they
just blew up an actual bird with an for that
special effect.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
Probably have you guys ever seen the the highlight from
Baseball where that guy was pitching and he's throwing one
hundred mile an hour ball and a bird just happens
to fly by and it hits it and the bird
fucking explodes.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
That's exactly what it looks like in the movie. It
just it is. Yeah, it's I didn't watch the credits.
Does it say no animals were harm this movie? Because
they might have been lying.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
I did not either, so I couldn't.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
I mean, it's it's Italian. I'm surprised at the end
it didn't just say fuck birds.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Just the naked lady holding up a sign that says
fuck birds. Because it's an Italian film.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Sorry, Fabio got him back for us that one time.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Yeah, I mean I really didn't for an Italian movie,
I don't recall there being incest. Was there incest in this?
Then there was?

Speaker 5 (12:35):
I mean I love that. That's the Oh yes, this
is Italian. Where's the incest in my movie?

Speaker 3 (12:42):
There was no incest. There was no nudity, let alone
underage nudity. Well shit, like again, there was no anything.
There was just a bunch of scenes of birds attacking.
And then eventually some people got on a train and
they're like, maybe this train will take us far enough
away that birds won't at to wait.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
Your movie didn't have nudity in.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
It, No, did yours?

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yes, I mean there were yeah, there there was a
little bit.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Show the blonde the main blonde lady who's like a
journalist or whatever.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, the only character in the movie.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
Although she gets out of the bathtub like twice, but
it's very obviously shot from her chin down to her
crotch because then it's full frontal nudity and it looks
like the same shot was used like twice in the movie,
and so it was like, Oh, you had a body
double and you're going to use that shot multiple times.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Well, see, I rented the movie from my library for free,
and you paid a dollar for the version you rented.
I think you got the bonus features in there.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
See the version I had had the nudity, but it
was blurred out because I watched the Riff Tracks version.
That was an option.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
So you totally won in this scenario. That is the
version we all should have thought.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
How did you keep track of the plot without hearing
all the dialogue? There was at least four to five
lines of dialogue in this film.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Hey, this film had way more dialogue in the opening
than the other one.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, we'll get to that. Did you guys
like when they were on the train at the end
and she's like, could we there's killer birds everywhere we're
on a train. Can everybody keep your windows shut? And
people who made you the fucking boss? And she's like, fine, open.
At one point she just goes, fine, open the windows.
I don't give a ship. Then the birds are gonna
get here and kill you. What what are we doing here?

Speaker 5 (14:35):
And guess what happens?

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Although the birds come straight through the window.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yeah the window.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Yeah, that's proving panes of glass not good defense against
any any predator, let alone birds.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah, no, no, And look, basically this movie is like,
oh ship, birds are attacking people. We should go check
it out. Oh we're here. Fuck, they're attacking, so let's
hide in here. And then you're in there for a
couple of minutes and then it's like, oh shit, birds
are getting in here. We should run and then let's
hide in here, and then birds break into that, and

(15:11):
then it's like, oh shit, everybody get on this train
and then birds break into it, and it's like, motherfucker,
birds are everywhere.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
The family that you're following for a minute at one
point are inside of a building and relatively safe and
have like stuff, and they're like, yes, we've got to go,
We've got to get to the car, and it's like,
you don't, what the fuck are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (15:36):
What about the what about the family that meets up
with that other girl, And then they decide to like
hide under a dock, with the logic being that if
the birds find us oder there, we can just go
underwater when they works.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Listen, that was the best part of the movie because
that set up then being in there under the dock
hiding and you kind of like the pigeons or whatever
flying around and they're like, ah, thank god, and then
it immediately it cuts like four feet away from them,
and it's like, aha, ducks. You forgot about ducks. Also birds,

(16:13):
there are water birds as well.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
We was so absurdly ridiculous. Yeah, I think my favorite
part was when those people went hang gliding for no
reason in the middle of this movie and the birds
show up, but they wanted to fuck with that girl
because at this point the birds are like Jason, like,
they want to have fun with their kills. So they
make her land and then chase her down and just

(16:44):
knock her out of the sky. And I was like
look at that. They have a whole plan of mind.
We don't enjoy yourselves. If you got to have to
kill people, you might as well do it in a
fun ways.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
You guys, remember that in this movie, we don't just
get a dummy fall. We get a dummy on a
hand glider fall. It's pretty good, yo.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah. Like, as stupid as this movie is and as
pointless as this movie is individually, all those scenes were
fun to watch. And it's just ninety minutes of that
nonsense in a row. Yeah, and it could have been
even less if there hadn't used so much slow motion.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Well, I was wondering about that. I was like, man,
I wonder if that's gonna like this or not, because
there's so much slow motioning.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
The movie would have been much better with less slow motion,
because like, the only thing is the fun kills. Don't
slow them down, make them happen faster. I like, I
legit think that they just needed to make it long enough,
and that's why there's so much slow motion, because it
just wouldn't be a movie if they played those scenes
at regular speed.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
It would have been if they would have just had
some more kinds of birds. They needed to be like, oh,
were at the zoo. We forgot ostriches, big birds, those
tall birds. The tall birds can get over things.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
That would be Yeah, like every time they find a
new place to hide, a new kind of bird shows
up that can work around that. They go hiding a
freezer and a bunch of penguins show up.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
I mean shit, when the one lady is at the
fucking wherever she's at with the flamingos, I was so
on the edge of my seat. I was like, am
I getting ready to see somebody get fucking mangled by
a flamingo? I was like, I need this flamingo mangling
and then it doesn't happen. I was sure, said.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
You are the first person since nineteen eighty seven to
be on the edge of your seat while watching this movie.
I guarantee that.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
I mean, how how often is it that I get
to ask the question, well, watching a movie, it's not
flamingo gonna kill somebody.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
I mean, I understand your excitement, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
It's like, we can't worry about these birds now we
have this dancing competition to go, oh, no, flamingo.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Lot lot of legged birds.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Were you guys paying enough attention.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Do you know playing up in someone's house.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
It's a dog barking outside of my house, loud enough
that you're picking up on it, even though in my basement.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
Ah, this is a beeping sounds like something's backing up.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah. Oh, I'm hearing it now too, But it's not
in my house.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
Weird, is it? No house? O? It's no.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Are you gonna edit this, Opra.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
It's not.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
This is this is gold.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Just let's go back to talk about the birds.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
Then it just stopped.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
It's so weird.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
I don't know what that was.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
But now it's now I hear it again, but it's
different too, Son of a bitch.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Guys, guys, we need to move on. We got birds
to talk about. Talk more about how that how this movie?
He is so stupid that when that lady wanted to
have a birthday party for her kid at her parents house,
which is normal enough, she calls them the day of
and it's like, can we have a party at your
house today? Seems about right, And the old Man's like, yes,

(20:15):
And I'll watch out for the birds because I have
a history with these birds. That old man with the
eye patch was the highlight of the movie. For me,
I think when he's like.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
Dude, fuck out of that.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
I'll protect your children. Oh no, overpowered.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yeah, pigeons, so many pigeons.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
It does seem like a lot of the problems could
have been solved in this movie by just going inside
and nobody would do it.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
A lot of this problems could have been solved by
swinging a tennis racket wildly.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Oh man, there should have been a scene in this
where a bird's coming out of a guy and he
just tennis rackets is a way say it.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Like, I I understand that if a hawk is coming
at you, you're in deep shit because you are not
winning a fight with a hawk. But half the people
getting killed in this movie you're getting attacked by like pigeons, doves.
You can just killed the fuck out of a pigeon
or a dumb What about.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
When the dubs are killing people and like you get
the voice over and it's like doves, often known as
the symbol of peace, are now becoming violent and you're like,
don't make me think during this movie, what are you
trying to do?

Speaker 5 (21:24):
More like pigeons, rats of the sky.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
There should have been more fighting back, But I don't know.
I guess you can only kill so many birds in
one production. Even Italy in the eighties had some level
of laws. Has it related to killing birds on screen?

Speaker 4 (21:43):
I don't know. I just I just live for the
day that this movie gets remade and it ends with
like three guys with tennis rackets just going yeah, just
killing pigeons, Like, hey, guys, it turns out pigeons are
really easy to kill. Just keep just hitting the pigeons
with his tennis racket.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
I feel like it's gotta be a bunch of like
frat boys and at the at the frat house, like
one of them specifically like throws beers to people by
using a tennis racket until you hit it.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Oh, so that's how you know he's got the talent.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
That's like, yeah, it's like Chekhov's like tennis racket.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
There's like a moment where he stands up and he
sees the birds coming and he turns his hat around
backwards to know he's in tough guy mode, and then
he's just starts swinging at them.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Yeah, yeah, you're right. I was gonna say, my fucking
frat bro starts around.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Well, and it's the perfect setup because you have you have,
dude like just fucking up, just an ocean of pigeons.
And then he turns around and there's a cassowary that
escaped from the zoo and it rips his deack off, right, Like,
oh yeah, there's different birds. All of our all of
our plans are flawed because we keep forgetting that there's

(22:57):
more than one kind of bird.

Speaker 8 (23:00):
Curcw waterbirds be so much more fun to talk about that.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Just to watch that is Oh yeah, I mean it's
I mean for those at home who may not have
sat down and watched the film yet, I mean, don't.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
You have better things to do with your time, like stare.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
At the wall, practice your tennis swinging cases? Film comes in.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
Case everything I learned I learned from the Midnight Drive.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
In Terns that the only way to save the world
is a mean, backhand.

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who posted to our group that the show was his
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Speaker 3 (23:52):
Apple, Tell him that, tell him it's a good use
of his time and that he would have his friends
listen as well.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
That's terrible use of your time. You wasted it.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
I listened to this podcast again.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
You you even live it, and you you're wasting time?

Speaker 3 (24:13):
All right?

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Anything else before we move on to another bird.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Movie, public, just remember that water birds. If the birds
go bad, water will not save you.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
We're just saying, if they ever, if they ever find
a way to make a firebird. I mean technically there
is if you count the car. But they have covered
all four elements and we will definitely be screwed. Land, air,
and water.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Uh No, I do you want to.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
Tell us about killing birds?

Speaker 1 (24:50):
A k a.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Zombie five Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Zombie five is the in name only sequel to Zombi Before,
which isn't in only sequel to Zombie three, which is
an in name only sequel to Zombie two, which is
an unofficial sequel.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
So this, this Italian movie set in Louisiana, is about
what the fuck is this movie about? A guy? A
guy comes home from the war Vietnam. Maybe I don't
I don't fuck it's supposed to be Vietnam. Yeah, yeah,
catches his wife fucking another dude and he stabs him

(25:31):
in the neck and then she wakes up and she
screams and he stabs her and then he goes to
carry their bodies out and the neighbors see him, so
he stabs them.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Then he's supposed to be his parents, not the neighbors.
You have to go to Wikipedia to learn that because
there's no dial.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
I thought they were just supposed to be like neighbors. Okay, yeah, yeah,
there's by the way, first ten minutes of this movie
no words. There's done a single word spoken for ten minutes.

Speaker 5 (25:59):
Scream when the lady wakes up. But that's it.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Scream does not count his dialogue.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
If you watch this movie with ads, I made it
to the first ad break, there was like four kills,
no dialogue. I'm like, I was so excited.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, perfect, So he stabs everybody, ends up stealing a
baby by accident. I think again. I know there's no dialogue.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
If you go to Wikipedia to find out what this
movie is about. That's his baby, his baby because he
had a baby. Then he went to Vietnam, and then
he came back and his wife's fucking a guy, so
he kills them. Then his parents are just bringing the
baby home. They were just babysitting, so his wife had
time to fuck a guy, and then he kills them
because he's still mad about the wife thing. And then

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you see him.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Like, I mean, if I found out that my parents
were babysitting my child, well, my wife fucked another guy Probrett.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
I mean, listen, yeah, I mean he overreacts, but he
has a point.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
Uh So anyways, so all this happens, he goes back
to his house that I assume is in a town
because it seems like it's in the neighborhood. We'll find
out later it's not correct, and one of his five
thousand pet birds rips his eyes out because i'd revenge.
I don't know. They're angry that he killed the wife.

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Angry bird.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
There's birds there.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, they don't kill him, which is key to remember
because this movie is called Killing Birds.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Correct. They just take his eyes out. He goes to
the emergency room, the baby is carried off, never to
be spoken of again. Fast forward, however, fucking long twenty
years or something.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, and we have a.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Group of college students who are setting out attempting to
get into scientific American by finding a rare species of
woodpecker that has not been in a while, funded by
their school, because apparently schools will fund bird watching trips

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for science.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, they're trying to prove it's not extinct, so yeah,
it counts as science.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Yeah. Anyways, it's the group of the science ye people
plus sciencey people's girlfriends, plus girl who works for the
school newspaper that they're treating as if it's a real
newspaper instead of a school newspaper. Correct who used to
fuck guy and is doing this sort of out of
spite in a weird way.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
It's very strange. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
They go to find the last people who saw the
bird lo and behold, one of the last people who
saw this bird is weird eyeless guy.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
They go out into the swamps of Louisiana, which look
a little bit more like the deciduous for us of Italy.
They find ye old abandoned farm house I'll switch again
as a house in the middle of a neighborhood for
some reason, but it's in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
And then they start getting stabbed and you're like, ah,
crazy Islis guy must be stabbing him, but we keep
cutting back to crazy Islis guy and we're like, hmm,
maybe not.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
And then I wasn't paying attention. By the way, did
you mention it's Robert Vaughan.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's Robert Vaughn. But but no, it's
a zombie or something. It's some kind of skull headed
revenant thing that they don't really explain other than two
lines of dialogue. There's one point in which somebody goes,

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what if it's not alive? And the guy goes, what
a restless spirit who has things left in life and
remains here those don't exist? Like that is a line
of fucking dialogue in this movie.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Let me tell you something, though, I don't appreciate that
you skipped over the forty five minutes of time that
happens in the movie between when they walk away from
the blind Guy's house to when the first zombie thing
shows up. There's like forty five minutes of downtime in between.
Continue with your plot description.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Uh yeah. And so then people just keep getting I
don't know, Sometimes they're getting killed by the zombie thing.
Sometimes they seems like there's like maybe a ghost or
something killing them. For zombies got telekinesis, who fucking knows?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (30:35):
And then the movie ends when fucking Eylis guy shows
up and he's like, ah, I'm glad I made it
in time and it's like everyone's dead already, you prick.
He goes, don't worry, they just want me, and it's like, wait,
you knew there were ghosts, Like what do you Why
are you act like you're saving the day? You sent
all these kids out into the murder swamp to be

(30:55):
killed by your revenant ghosts. Yeah, and then he goes
into the house and there's some like bird wings flapping,
and then the movie ends.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah. So, to answer the question that you posed during
your plot description, I think one of those guys is
the baby from the beginning of the movie. I think
one of those scientist guys is the baby.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
I kept waiting, I kept waiting for that to be revealed,
and it never is.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
But I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's why he sacrificed
himself at the end, because he's like, ah, I normally
would let those college kids get killed by my weird
monster things that live in my swamp hose, but instead
I have to save them because that one guy's my kid.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
I think that one guys that that random baby that
was not explained to the end of the movie.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Again, Wikipedia claims that that's his kid, So that's what
I'm amazingly.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
I feel like Wikipedia is just making shit up. This
is this is one of those Giallo films where they
just inject things into the plot that are just not there.
Maybe now so we do need to stop and talk
for two seconds. So this movie is giant, steamy pile

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of shites.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
But this is Noah saying that.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
But man, the kills, a lot of the kills are
so fucking good, Like they're few and far between. Like
this movie's got a pacing problem. It's got a explaining
what the fuck is going on problem, It's got a
weird eyelist veteran stabbing his wife that doesn't appear to
be relevant to the plot problem. But man, when that

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zombie be killing people, it's fun.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
So yeah, So here's the thing. The first ten minutes
is awesome. Again, four kills and a guy gets his
eyes pecked out by birds and not a single line
of dialogue. What more do you want from an Italian movie?
Like amazing, right, Like I'm so excited. And then there's
all the shit with the kids, like they're at their
college and they're getting ready to go out there, and

(32:57):
I'm like, those kids are gonna go out there? Birds
are gonna kill those fucking kids because we know about
the birds attacking people from earlier in the movie. And
then they get out there and then just nothing happens,
like there's not even like it's not fun like a
slasher film. They're just hanging out in this old house
and the one guy has like a giant laptop that
he cares a lot about, and I'm like, I don't

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what is happening. You're not even bird watching, which is
why you're supposed to be here. Nothing happens, And then
with about thirty minutes left to go in the film,
the first girl gets killed by the zombie thing that
shows up, and I'm like, I do not know why
there's a zombie thing in this movie. I thought it
was about birds. But okay, at least where there's thirty
minutes left, you're gonna get thirty minutes of the zombie

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guy killing people. But then there's still large gaps between
the kills. But then a guy like is working on
the generator and through the power of love and magic,
his face gets dragged into it, and you're like, that's awesome.
That was so good. When his face gets.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Dragged into that gars the gears rip off his fingers
because that that generators go gears for no reason.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
And listen, generators and gears in Europe, that's how that works.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
Listen that that scene still has a big problem. His
best his best friends sitting there just watching it all
happen and doing zero to help him. When it's like
fucking Austin Powers on the steam roller. I'm taking so
long to pull this guy's necklace into this machine, and
the guy's just standing there, sweat pouring down his face,

(34:27):
like shaking his head side to side, like oh no,
oh no, and it's like there's nothing.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
There's lots of time to help me.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
How about how about that guy who burns to death?
Because what I can only assume is the delire drives
figh through the time stream and sets him on fire.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
And I didn't understand how yet a little firing entirely.
But the best part is he gets on fire and
instead of like stop dropping and rolling, he he just
run and he runs fast. Nobody can keep up with
him to try and help him, and he just runs
off into the woods. It's like shit, there he goes.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
I do love that they then have to explain that
to the other people that are like, why didn't you
help him? Then like he wouldn't stop running.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
So fast, he just kept running. He's like the fucking
forest Gump of this movie. Just it's so many And
then the highlight of that is the prick took the
car keys with him when he ran into the woods
on fire, so when they all try to escape later,
they can't because he's he took off with the car keys.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
And I also, so again I feel like maybe I
missed something in this movie because there's a line of
dialogue where they find the like the van Winnebago thing
that they drove there. Yeah, and they're like, we found it.
It's over there, but it's like twenty feet away from
the house, and and how did they lose it? When

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did they lose it?

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, they pulled, they drove up to a house. They
got out of it and went in the house, and
then they're like, where's the van? Like if like they're
fucking babies playing peekapo. They think once they can't see it,
it's gone, Like, I don't it didn't make any sense.
I think that's called bad filmmaking. I think that's what
was going on there. I can't I can't explain it
any other way. This is how this is how bad

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the film is. Right, So, the first girl wanders off
into that like backshd zombie revenant thing shows up, grabs
her by the head and bashes her head into the
wall until she's dead, which is pretty fucking cool, like
like during the time that he's bashing her head in
the wall, like and then and then he wanders off,
and then the other people come looking for her and

(36:39):
they can't find her, and then the camera pans down
to show her broken glasses on the floor, covered in blood,
and you're like that, that is actually a really well
done shot of showing us those glasses on the floor.
But that's what you do before you reveal the monster.
You can't show those to the audience, like, oh, she
must be dead. And it's like, yeah, we just watched

(36:59):
her get killed, like we know she's doing you know
she's dead. We know exactly how she died. We even
know how her glasses got broken because she was wearing
them when her head got bashed into that wall. Why
are you.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
She's not the one who gets her face like a
drug through all the glass and stuff.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
Right, that's another one.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, that's a different one. This is the one that
just gets her head smashed into the wall repeatedly. And
then there's the one who sticks her head out the
car window when they're trying to figure out how to
hot wire it, and zombie thingk just pulls her head
right off.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
Yeah, they're trying to drive away and her head and
pops off.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
See, the kills are great, Like when that guy's up
in the fucking attic of the house trying to hide
and the zombie thing comes through the ceiling and pulls
his head up, but leaves the rest of them in
the room. Yeah, and you're like, I like it when
people get their heads pulled off. They're pretty good at that.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
In this movie, she'd be a lot more head pulling
in this movie, you should be.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah. I don't even know, Like, if you just spread
some of those kills out more, could you save this movie,
like just by re editing it instead of having I
don't know, but I don't I still don't know if
there's enough time.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
I think I think a couple lines of dialogue is
spreading the kills out. And I don't know, Like I said,
maybe and maybe the dialogue fixes this too, but whatever,
the fuck is going on with elis guy like that
needs something. I have no idea. What the fuck is

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part in this movie is other than killing those people
at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
He killed the people at the beginning. Again, I'm still
convinced one of those kids.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Is his baby.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
And then he he shows up at the end and
saves them, but he just he just walks into the room.
That's all he does.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, I don't know, because at the end he's like, yes,
these are foul revenantes after me, and it's like, what,
what the again? What the giallow fuck is happening? There?

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Should this movie called killing birds? There should be First
of all, I still don't know why the birds attacked
him at the beginning. It's not clear, But then that
should have come back up later, like there should be
more stuff with birds if that's how your film opens.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Yeah, and how is it that the hero at the
end of the movie is the guy who murders his
entire family in a jealous rage at the beginning of
the movie. Well, then what the giallow fuck? But in
this case, what in the reverse yallow fuck it is?

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Well, yeah, because it's a redemption arc for him as
a character. He killed some people then he got his
eyes torn out, Then he waited twenty years, then he
randomly changed his mind to be a good guy. That's
a redemption arc.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Technically, I didn't know if I could argue with that
in this film.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
I can't believe I had to say that. Go to
technically it's a redemption.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Somebody, somebody go to the Wikipedia article and find out
what they have to say about this.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
So, I mean, God, this movie has a lot of problem.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Can I can I ask you guys something?

Speaker 5 (40:09):
So though you can, I don't know if I can answer.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
The zombie thing that was killing the people? Is that
one or more of the people that he killed at
the beginning of the movie.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
You're asking as if.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Not? Maybe, I don't know, because they might be. That
would make some sense, right, Like, you know, if there's
a zombie, I can think.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
So, I mean I was trying to figure it out,
like part of the way through the movie, and I
was like, is that the is that the baby? Is
the baby become Jason? Like it's just just a weird
little naked boy in the woods who's grown into a
skeleton monster.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not too sure what was
going on there. I don't know why. I don't know. Again,
I think you either have a guy loses his mind
and kills his family. That's a movie. Birds attacking a
guy and poking his eyes out that's a movie. Zombie
in the woods that comes after these people who are
there doing their scientific experiments. That's a movie. But I
don't know if you can do all three. I'm not

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sure if that makes any sense.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
Yeah, this movie was trash.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Again, the kills are good in a world of YouTube, like,
I wouldn't I would recommend people maybe like see if
you can find the kills again. Yeah, Like, there is
a character flaw in that one guy. Maybe we should
have explored that more why he doesn't bother to help
his friend dud. But when you go over you have
girl getting her head bashed into the wall. Well, you
have the kills at the beginning are fine, and then

(41:39):
you have a guy getting his eyes poked out. That's
pretty well done. Then you have girl getting her head
bashed into the wall. You have guy getting lit on
fire and going running into the woods at top speed,
which is not a great plan but it looks cool
on camera. You have the guy getting sucked into the generator.
The girl get her head ripped off. You have the
guy getting pulled up through the sea, Like, these are
all good kills, except they're just Then there's this forty

(42:02):
to forty five minutes in the middle of the movie
that is just nothing. It is just these college kids going,
you guys want to go find some birds? Yeah, all right,
let's take forty five minutes to discuss it before we
get out there.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
How about we all have American accents except for that
one girl who has the weirdest like Swedish accent you've
ever heard in your entire life.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
It's you know, what her voice reminded me of is
the girl the movie Summer School they have They supposed
an Italian girl in that movie, and her accent is
like exaggerated. That's what she reminded me of.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
So maybe I.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Just remembered because they're all like yeah, yeah, yeah, And
then be considered, She's like, yes, I've work force in
newspaper and You're like, what, what? Why? Why is this
one girl from a different country from everyone else.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
I kept waiting for all of the plots that they
set up to like matter too, and they're like, oh, look,
I know that it's your ex girlfriend, but she's being
sent by the school paper to cover this, and you're
like whatever, by eighties movie standards, I'll accept that these
Whipple papers set anyone to cover. I don't like that.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
I don't think they ever actually established that that's what's
going on either. No, no, because they've got problems and
they're like, hey, you two cut it out or whatever,
and they act like he's got history with her, and
I don't think they ever fucking explain it. It's just
her and the girlfriend bickering at each other, and they
never actually say that they're exes or imply that or anything.

(43:31):
It's just bizarre.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
And well, maybe I'm adding stuff to the film here,
but like, didn't you guys like expect there to be
a bunch of scenes of them, like partying or hooking
up or something anything like like you take a bunch
of young people and you put them alone in this
house in the middle of the woods, those two.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
And awkwardly for a few minutes.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah I didn't. That made me uncomfortable.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
Had a weird dream she got her throat slit.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah, well, and like we're were those because she had
the dream And didn't somebody have a dream about the
blind guy showing up and hurting them, Like, there's multiple
dream sequences. Were they psychic in some way or may not.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
You're putting a lot more emphasis on this movie than
the actual filmmakers.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
I'm just trying to, like again, like in this Killer
Bird movie about a zombie revenant thing that is out
for revenge against a guy who might have a baby.
I'm just curious if the dreams are psychics.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Who may or may not have a trial.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
I'm gonna I'm standing by my theory that he has
a child, and that one of those people, one of
those kids is the child. I'm not gonna try to
guess which one I would say the main character, but
I'm not sure that any of them are the main characters.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
So anyways, this movie was garbage.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
The special effect of his eyes all poked out was
pretty cool, was it?

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Eighties horror movie cool, not like actual looking like it's
supposed to be cool, because that's when I was gone
and the other one was still there but didn't work
no more.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
It was also very weird to have a movie that's
got one person in it who actually is an actor.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, why was he in this?

Speaker 4 (45:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (45:12):
He owed a mistress a car or something.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Jesus Christ, where is this film? How far away from
my family is that?

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (45:22):
I'll go what if?

Speaker 4 (45:24):
What if it turns out that that the bird that
they're investigating is a real bird that really is on
the endangerous species list and that's his like pet philanthropy project.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
It's legitimately worried about with this woodpecker.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
They're like, yes, we're gonna make a movie about that woodpecker.
And he's like yes, and they're like, okay, you need
to spend four hours getting eye makeup on it. It's like, wait,
I thought this was about the bird.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
I like, Oh, here's an interesting Do you guys think
the bird that pecked his eye out is the bird
they're looking for?

Speaker 4 (45:55):
No, because that's like a hawk. Yeah, and they specifically
say it's a whitpecker.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yeah, but that could be a translation.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
It's not an American film.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Listen, that would be that would not be the biggest
plot hole in this film if that was the problem.

Speaker 5 (46:13):
I mean, the movie was, from what I remember, directed
by Joe Demato, who's actually done so yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Well it's co directed by him.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
So well, maybe he came in to fix it. At
some point, but.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
He failed unless they brought him in to do, like
because he's done other gallowy type stuff that's not I
don't know what he's done.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
On smiles on a murderer apparently as one of them, so.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Like, maybe they brought him in at the end of
the like, can you add some like kills to this movie?
And he's like, well, what do you have so far? Well,
at the beginning, some guy kills his family and gets
his eyes poked up by a bird, and then there's
forty five minutes and nothing, and then we need some
kills at the end, and he's like, who's going to
kill him? We didn't think that far ahead when we
started making our movie.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
Sorry, Like it's either a ghost good face zombie thing,
the DeLorean from Back to the vat one of those.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Just just here's the list of people that need to
die in different ways. Can two of them have their
heads torn off? Sure, as long as only one of
them is from a car and the other one has
to be through a ceiling.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
Holy ship. Joe Demanda directed two hundred movies.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah, well that's because he takes credit for these movies
where he's only co directing.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
He did we missed we missed out? He directed one
called Frankenstein two thousand, could have teamed that up with
Dracula two thousand.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
We will. I will put that on the list, sir.
You just added that movie to our list that you
wanted to or not we'll do with Dracula three thousand.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
Just does somebody else have anything else they want to
say about Killing Birds? Zombie five? How the fuck is
this part of the zombie.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
Series any of the zombie part of the zombie.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Well at least most of them are like zombie invasion movies, right,
Like they usually involve that, like an outbreak of living dead.
This doesn't. I don't know. I don't know if that's
a zombie in it or not.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
I'm just saying, after coming off the high of what
is the weird bouncing refrigerator head of the zombie series
going to this? Just we were talking before the show
where I said the thing that was gonna I was
gonna say, disappointed me about this film? That's it. You

(48:37):
can't come off of bouncing refrigerator zombie head to this?
What the fuck?

Speaker 5 (48:44):
Like?

Speaker 4 (48:45):
I don't need continuity, it's Italian. I don't give a fuck.
But if you're gonna go crazy. We cannot start with
a man fights shark in water in zombie makeup and
progress through the bouncing zombie in a refucking refrigerator to

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this bullshit. You need to go crazier, not dumb.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Truth lord, this is technically a sequel to Dawn of
the Dead. Guys, remember the classic film that everybody loves.
This is where it ended up because we let fucking
Italians in on the deal. The Italians must be stopped,

(49:36):
first fascism and now this.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
But much like pizza, we have taken their ideas perfect them.

Speaker 9 (49:45):
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Speaker 5 (50:16):
All right? What was everybody watching the last episode?

Speaker 4 (50:19):
I have continued watching Supernatural?

Speaker 5 (50:23):
Ahone behind me Now I'm grinding my way through season seven.
Oh yeah, I'm still in season five.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
So that and then I have a friend that's into
five Nights at Freddy's, so I went and saw Five
Nights at Freddy's. Two in the theater.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
You know, I had no interest in the first one.
Seeing Matthew Lillard and Skeet Alrich do an interviews for
this one made me real tempted to watch the first
one and go see this one in the theater.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
So I actually went into this one blind, not having
seen the first movie, because I was kind of in
the same place. I was like, Oh, I don't give
a shit about the and I didn't know that Matthew
Learned and stuff were in it, because if I had,
I probably would have went and saw it because it's
you know, there's actresson that I like.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
To talk about that too.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
But listen, it was weird. It was perfectly fine, and
my friend, who's super into the franchise, was kind of
explaining some of like the background stuff to me. And
once they explained all that, I was like, Oh, now
I'm actually kind of interested in this because I guess
the first movie. You know, because of the nature of it,
it's not very conducive to storytelling, so you don't really

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get a whole lot of the story unless you pay
really close attention to what's going on in the game.
And it became that big cult hit, and apparently the
guy who wrote it would be on Discord and people
would ask him questions and he'd be like, oh no,
there's like all this lore. I just didn't have a
really good way to put it into the game. And
then people got all excited about that, so he would

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keep expanding on it and expanding on it, and then
they you know, kind of get into it in the
sequel games and all that kind of stuff, and the
movies are making a decent attempt at following like all
of that guy's like behind the scenes lore stuff about
what's going on. So I don't know, so it just
made it much more interesting to me.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Yeah. I tried playing the first game, and I was
just like, I don't understand what's happening. So I stopped.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
You're sitting at a desk and you need to not
get killed by the chuck e cheese animals.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
Yeah, I get that, but I'm just like, so this
is literally all it is. I just say, here and
watch cameras. I'm like, this is not very exciting.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Yeah. Yeah, but apparently once you get deeper into it,
there's it involves like a serial killer and all sorts
of crazy shenanigans. That's way beyond what Chuck e Cheese
Animal Horror Game was.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
So yeah, so it was fine. It was delightful. Uh
And that's that's it.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
Would you watch, Doug?

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I do not have much. I was gonna start like
Christmas watches because rerendon December year and I started with
Violent Night, just the from a couple of years ago
with the oh what the David Harbor plays Santa who's
frustrated with life, but then he gets a chance to
kill people.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
Violent Night.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yeah, so I like that movie a lot. It's still good.
His performance is great. I'm sure I talked about it
before when I saw it, but yeah, it's fucking Santa
with a sledgehammer killing the shit out of people and
John Leguizamo running around doing is over the top thing.
It's all very fun, the relationship between Santa and the

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little girl, and it is really it's really fun, Like
it feels very realistic because it's a lot of her
asking if she can get away with saying certain swear words.
I really enjoy that because it just feels real to me.
But yeah, it's not a new film. I'm sure I've
talked about it before. I don't know if you guys

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both seen it.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
Yeah, I saw. I saw it in the area.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Yeah, I don't know if this is my first rewatch
since theater or not.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
I don't understand how it doesn't have five sequels.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
They're working on another one. I just don't know why
it's taking song. Yeah, and the strikes I think complicated
a lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Yeah, And David Harbor's got to be hard to get nowadays, right, Yeah,
because he's he's Marveled and he's Stranger Things and stuff.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Yeah, but listen, I like Marvel movies. I like Stranger Things.
Fuck all that forever. He just needs to make more
of these Santa Claus movies. I just need all all
the David Harbor Santa Claus that I can fucking get.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
You have to be careful though, because it's also the
kind of movie that if they could try a sequel,
they could suck it up, right, because they're gonna be like,
what like, next year the same kid gets kidnapped again,
or a different group of a different family gets kind
of like, what are you gonna do.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Listen, it's die Hard, but Santa Claus and they made
fucking thirty die Hard movies that we can make thirty
of these.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yeah, but do you want the equivalent of Diehard five
in this?

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Well I don't.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
So it's the guys that wrote all three of the
Sonic movies, and I haven't seen those, so I can't
attest if they're good or not. Everything I've heard about
the Sonic movies is they're actually pretty good.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Uh, They're Yeah, they're actually pretty fun.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
I saw one of them.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
Well apparently, I mean they're the it's the same guys,
and they're able to make three Sonic movies actually decent apparently,
So hopefully they have a pretty decent idea of how
to do.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
And I hope so, I hope so well. I definitely
will watch a sequel if one comes out. Yeah, but
I worry sometimes when they do that that there's diminishing returns,
So we'll see how it goes.

Speaker 5 (55:59):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
I just I just wanted to go bigger, where like
John Lake Wizamo's evil fucking Grandfather and the Mafia or
whatever fucking bombs the North Pole and Santa has to
go fuck them all up.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Oh, the idea of someone taking revenge for what Santa
did in this movie and going to the North Pole
and then Santa fights him there. That's a good idea.
I can live with that idea.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
Yeah, I just I love because I mean I was
on board when I saw the trailer, and then I
watched the movie and then the thing that like locked
it in for me is that a part from the
trailer where he puts the grenade down the dude's pants
and then he's like running the way, but then he
stops and looks right into the camera and he's like,
I mean, I gotta watch right, and then just turns

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around and watched the dude explode.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Yeah, dude, whatever, Like was that? I get sucked up?
The busted Jim at the end of.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
The movie, Yeah, always fun. The part where the little
girl decides to make her own home alone and then
he's just like, yeah, whatever, as long as you do
it quietly so you don't get caught. And then when
when they get up there, the traps are completely fucked up,
and that one guy gets like he falls out the
ladder and there's like a nail that goes through his
like bottom of his chin and you can see it
sticking out of his mouth like all that stuff's good.

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Like it's so I really like it, and it's like, I.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
Need to rewatch it. I haven't seen this since.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
The I I'm blown away when I want to like
watch it, and I realizes a twenty twenty two film,
and I'm like, what happened? I think I don't understand.
I'm pretty sure that it's not a twenty twenty two film.
I don't believe you, I am TV, but you know, so, yeah,
that's the only movie I ended up watching. My big

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plan to watch a bunch of Crystal movies, and then
I like, I just I couldn't find time to watch movies.
So I'm like, I need to find a new show
to watch so that at least I'm doing something my
time rather than just flip been around. So I started
watching whatever it's called Dexter Takes Manhattan the Newest Seasons. Yeah,

(58:08):
so I am all of a sudden, now I'm like
six episodes into that or something. So apparently I did
have time to watch movies. I was just you know,
it's just it's hard to start a movie late at night,
but it's easy to watch two episodes of a TV
show that takes just as long.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
Somehow it's magical. It should not. Like we're going to
take Dexter into New York City and you're like, oh,
come on. It's like he joins a he joins a
serial coler, serial killer dinner group, and I'm just like,
oh shit.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
The thing about it is, it's okay. I'm liking it
so far. It's fun. It is such a departure from
what's come before, Like it there's so there's a cop.
That's the idea is he follows Harrison to New York
for people who haven't seen it, because Harrison went to
New York to build a new life for himself, end
up ends up killing someone and now the cops are

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on his trail. So Dexter follows him there because he
finds out about this kill through the newspapers and stuff
after waking up from a coma, because they just have
to write off what happened.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
At the end of the previous season, of course.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Solved a little bit weird. Yeah, so like I.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Guess, like my Harrison is the child.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Yes, yes, Harrison.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
He came back in the New Blood series the first
like revival series.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Yeah, so he's was a baby at the end of
like season eight or whatever when they sent him away
and he shows back up, he's like whatever twenty ish,
which is it's about right time wise and stuff. It
makes sense close enough. But yeah, so all that stuff
going on is like all right, they there's a lot

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of plot conveniences that like they're just like line drop
of like, oh, I know, we did his dexter's girlfriend
and last she just made up some stuff and took
responsibility for the shooting. So all the stuff where he
was getting caught, that's all just out the window. Now
we're just pretending that none of that happened, you know
what I mean. And it's like that's oops oopsy popsy. Yeah,

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And like like Angel Batista shows up and he's like, yeah,
I just I brought you back to life. I changed
the paperwork. You're alive again. And it's like okay, yeah,
like it's it's all very overly convenient.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
Sure, and you're like, all right, a lot there's been
other stuff in the original series you kind of had.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Yeah, that's like a lot of the stuff Like even
though even though I think these are valid complaints I'm making,
it's like this is still better than what happened in
season eight. So like it's you know, in a world
where they're going to do the show, I guess. And
then like a lot of the stuff is like like

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the meeting up with the other serial killers. It's all
some common nation of overly fantastical and overly convenient, but
it is really fun to watch. It's like him at
this like dinner table with these other serial killers and
they're all like, you know, they're all fucking happy to
be there because they finally get to talk about their
serial killing out in the open, and the one serial

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killer chick wants to kind of date them and then
she wants to kill with them.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
And they're all played by famous actors too. Yeah that
makes it even better. Like like Peter Dinkle, just the
guy who puts this group together because he's obsessed with
serial killers. That that alone, I would have been like
on board.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Yeah he was a serial killer. I really wanted him
to be.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
But then you have serial killers played by like Neil
Patrick Harris and David Dismalchin and Kristin Ritter one of
the gay guys from Modern Family. I don't I don't
know the characters names or the actors names, but.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
No, me neither.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
I didn't even really realize that's where he's from because
I did really watch that show.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
But stuff. So it was just great because all of
them have a very specific serial killer quirk, and it's
great just to watch them everybody just chew the scenery
in some form of fashion and just let them go
crazy with whatever their character is. You know, it's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
There's all like, there's so much fun stuff going on
in this season. Like how he gets in the group
is he kills that one guy, But basically the reason
he kills that guy is because the guy's calling himself
the Dark Passenger and Dexter's basically jealous because he took
his name, and he's like, I'm not quite ready to

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get back into the killing yet, but I'm not letting
that stand either.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
So so I'm guessing he's just infiltrating the serial Killer
Dinner group so that he can murder all of them.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
Originally, he was like, oh, maybe I found like a
community and I can like, you know, just be myself
with these people. But then like they all start sharing,
like Peter Dinkle has them do like a presentation on
their killing style and some of their victims, and the
very first time they do that, Dexter is just disgusted

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and he's like, fuck all of these people, I'm taking
them all down?

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Well because yeah, because it's like because even like the
one I guess without getting too spoilery, but like the
Christian Ritter character, he thinks that she has like a
code similar to his where she's only killing bad people.
But it turns out that's not true, and so he's like,
he's like, yeah, this isn't going to work with me
being friends with these people, and you know, he ends
up taking out the first one because he's like, that

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guy's going to kill somebody tonight if I don't do something,
you know what I mean. So yeah, it's yeah, it's
a great season.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
It's it's yeah, it's just it's it's very different from
what's come before, but it's a lot of fun. And
there's like the the the cop that's chasing down Harrison
and is now working with Angel Batista. In the episodes
that I'm watching, she's basically she's willing to foe from
the Boondocks Saints, but firef Yeah, yeah, when.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
She puts her headphones in and looks around the scene
and she listens.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
To like the Beg's while she's like thinking and stuff,
and it's like, all right, it's it's fucking crazy. But
here's where we're at, you know what I mean, Like
we're at the point where they like Dexter died at
the end of last season, and then they're just like
maybe he didn't though, and then fucking like at one
point somebody actually calls him out. They're like, you're like
fucking Jason, like, and he's like, yeah, I guess I

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kind of like he's just but you get, like, I mean,
there's so many fun moments, like when he's when he
goes into Peter Dinklin's apartment for the first time and
he's he's got a vault where he has like all
this stuff from different serial killers and he's got like
John Wayne Gacy's suit and clown suit and some other stuff.
And then as you get to the back, it's like, oh,

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these are some of the serial killers that Dexter took out.
And then he's got Dexter's actual slides from the original series,
but he's got them list that does being Doakes's slides
because that's Dexter framed, and it's like, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
That moment when he sees them and he just runs
his hand over him. Yeah, you're just like, oh, he's home,
and then Peter Dinklish is like, please don't touch them.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Yeah, it's so I don't know that. It's like, this
isn't good the way season four was good. It's really
it's really fun to watch. And again, I'm just like,
I'm a Dexter fan. I'm just happy to see Dexter again.
It's it's kind of like when Kevin Smith makes like
a new movie with for the fucking Clerks guys in it,
and you're just like, yeah, I just want to know

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what my friends are up to. And that's how I
feel about watching Dexter. I'm like, I wonder who he's
going to kill next. Let's all find out together. It's
refreshing and.

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
Neat so uh. And James Remar's back is Harry Yeah,
because he wasn't really on the New Blood season.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
You're right, he's bad.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
He's doing a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
He's doing really well, but he's also looking a lot older,
which is a little bit weird when you're like it's
not his fault, Like, I mean, it's been a long time.
He doesn't look bad. He just looks older. Because the
show's like taking place in the future. But it's like
he's supposed to be manifested in the guy's head. Why
would he Why would he continue to age the vision
in his head? You gotta let it go. Like I

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noticed that too when the because.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
I mean, you get to argue if it's just if
it's just a Dexter's perception, then sure, maybe in his
head time is passing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
So because there is a moment early on when Dexter
is still in his coma and he starts having visions
of all these different people from his past, and like
Trinity shows up, and a couple of other people show up,
and Doakes is there.

Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
And surprise, motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
And it's like, but they all look quite a bit older.
And I'm like, I mean, there's nothing you can do
like that. You're talking about a show from twenty years ago,
and you're gonna bring a character back. The actor's going
to look older, but it's really noticeable.

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
So except for Doaks, Doaks looks about the same.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
Losing Doakes may have been the series greatest mistake because
Doaks was so fucking awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Yeah, but there's only so much you could do with
him because he was too awesome. You're like, how would
he not catch.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
Dexter if you did what you doing, you creepy Assma
the Fighter.

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
I'm still disappointed that Original Sin got canceled after one season.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Yeah, I don't know why you can't have this and
Original Sin. They're both set in the same universe, Like
there are flashbacks in this too Original Sin, so they're
all like they're acknowledging that it all took place. But
I wonder if they were having trouble coming up with
a storyline because Original Sin runs kind of too close
to the beginning of season one, Like I wonder if

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they're trying to figure out how to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
Yeah, but it's possible.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
I don't know. So I'm excited to see how this
ends because I've still got a few ups, so it's
to go. Then I'll be back to being sad about
having no Dextra.

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
But I believe this did get picked up for another season,
so we're yeah, another season of it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
And they're supposed to be doing like a Young Trinity
Killer series two. Yeah, that's right, Yeah, which could be
interesting and lift guy is going to be doing the
voiceover like Michael C.

Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
Hall does.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Yeah, so I'm for yeah, I'll have this finished probably
my next week, so.

Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
Hopefully. Yeah, because you only got like what three or
four episodes left side.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
I don't even know. I don't know how many there are.
So I just I literally like I signed up for
like a month of Paramount Plus and just I'm like,
I'll just start watching it and I have all month
to watch it, and it's like, you know, it's been
a couple.

Speaker 5 (01:08:44):
Of days almost, Yeah, so yeah, I was watching week
to week.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
So yeah, that's actually you guys might appreciate it. Because
I've got a buddy and like every year around this
time he signs up for paramoun Plus. I usually pay
for half of it, and that we just share the
pass code so we can both watch it for like
a month or two, right, I Like I mentioned it
to him a couple of times and it didn't come up.
So I just transferred to my half of the money

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with like the explanation that it was just like just you,
I want to hurry this up, Like yeah, I got
a text a couple of hours later, like it works.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
Now, Okay, you got ten episodes, dog, so you've got
four episodes left.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Yeah, all right, so we'll see I work at home tomorrow,
so don't tempt me.

Speaker 5 (01:09:34):
Right, four episodes in a row, no work done.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
But yeah that is all I watched. Yeah, because I
just got hooked on that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
So well, speaking of TV shows, I've been watching it
Welcome to Dairy, which has been pretty good. Yeah, there's
one episode left, so on Sunday that's what I'll be
sitting down to do.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
How does it compared to the movies, because I like,
I liked the first movie.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
And didn't like the second movie. Is it I mean,
it's more the first movie, but it still has there's
still part of the adult plotline that I'm kind of like,
this is kind of dumb. But all the kids stuff
is real good.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
That sounds like everything everything, whether it's the book or
any of the film versions. You're like, why is that
kid stuff so much better?

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
Yeah, there's just stuff that it's like, oh, this is
very TV show, yeah, and you're just like, well that's stupid.
But then Kids so starts off a little slow, but
the last three episodes have been really good. The episode

(01:10:49):
this last week was The black Spot, which, if you've
read the book, is a big sort of side story
from it that has never been shown on screen before.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
So I think I think the only thing I'm getting
a little weird on with it is the magic Native
American stuff. I'm a little bit like.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
I don't know if I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Steve Stephen King likes to insert some of that stuff
once in a while. I think he's trying to be inclusive.
I think he's like, he's trying to be a good
guy about it, but modern sensibilities are a little different
than they were back when he was writing those books.

Speaker 5 (01:11:32):
Yeah, I mean again, I feel like that I kind
of combined that in with the adult storyline with the military,
and I'm kind of like, oh, well, that stuff's kind
of dumb. Just the reasoning behind a bunch of stuff
happening is like, realistically makes no sense, and you're like,
this is like one of the worst ideas.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
But we were weaponized the Boogeyman pretty much.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
I mean, it feels like that's what would happen if
there was a boogey man.

Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
Also, James Raemar, by the way, so yeah, yeah, he's
like the general in charge of the whole project. So
but yeah, I mean, all the stuff with penny Wise
has been great. This last episode had the quote unquote
origin of penny Wise. It shows where the entity first

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stumbled upon the actual Pennywise, the clown, and why it
was sort of drawn to that persona and why it's
maybe adopted it since, and that was kind of interesting
to watch. So yeah, yeah, I don't know, it's been good.
Excited to see.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
The whole show isn't set in like the one time frame.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
Then there's a couple flashbacks to early nineteen hundreds that
are story relevant to because it's like some of the
adult people in the sixties or whatever, it's kind of
showing them as like children, so it is relevant. And
then the idea is they're going to go back in

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time for the next two seasons. So season two is
gonna be like set in the thirties when there was
like a bunch of gangster stuff going on, which was
another sort of side story in the book they were
talking about the history of Darry. Yeah, so they're doing
that one, and then the third season will take place
in the early nineteen hundreds. We've already seen a little

(01:13:32):
bit of sort of that time period. So I'm curious
to see what they're ultimately going to do with it. Yeah,
it's gonna be complicated. I'm curious to see how it
holds up since, I mean, all we're doing is we
keep going back in time. So obviously there's no tension
about if they defeat Pennywise or whatever, because that's not

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really sort of the goal of the show. I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Yeah, I assume that they know what they're doing a
little bit when it comes to how to like, yeah,
tell a story where you know the outcome or parts
of the outcome.

Speaker 5 (01:14:07):
Yeah, it's been really good, and Scar's guard is Pennywise
has been able to do some pretty red stuff that
has not been constrained by movie ratings. So pretty interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
I might check that out one day.

Speaker 5 (01:14:21):
Yeah, So after that, I watched a couple movies. Watched
the nineteen ninety one movie called Fever recommend from another
podcast I listened to, And this is a nineteen ninety
one like mead for HBO movie. Do you guys remember
armand de Sante when here was the thing for?

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
Yeah, pears, So he plays a guy who just gets
out of prison and he's like looking for his ex
girlfriend he has seen since he went to prison, and
he ends up finding her and it's Marcia gay Harden
in like a super early role for her, and since
he went to prison, she's like clean herself up. Apparently

(01:15:07):
she had like a drug habit and stuff, and she
is now dating a lawyer played by Sam Neil and
so armand de Sante shows up and he even talks.
He talks to both on them like sits them both down,
and he's like, look, I'm in love with her. Being
in love with her is what got me through prison,
and like I'm just gonna be upfront, like I'm still

(01:15:29):
in love with her, and I'm gonna talk to her
and all this stuff and I'm gonna try to get
her to understand that I'm still in love with her.
And ultimately she's gonna decide what she's gonna do. And
I'm not gonna like do anything like sort of like
shitty to Sam Neil, like I'm not going to try
to make you look bad. It's just I'm gonna tell
her how I feel and she's gonna decide what she's

(01:15:52):
gonna decide. And he's trying to be like upfront about it.
I guess, but still is kind of weird. And at
one point some gangsters show up who are maybe still
mad at Ray about something, and they end up kidnapping
Marcia k Harden and they basically tell him, look, we

(01:16:15):
have some stuff for you to do around the city
for the next couple of days, and you have to
pull these crimes off because if you don't, if you
fuck up or if you call the police or whatever,
we'll kill her. And so then Sam Neil's like, well,
fuck it, I'm part of this now too, because your
buddy's kidnapped her, so we're in this together. So then
it's them two going around town like doing crime essentially.

(01:16:36):
It uh yeah, I mean for nineteen ninety one made
for cable movie, it's surprisingly violent. It's surprisingly like pretty
good if you like, like you know, crime, thrillers and
whatever else. So yeah, worth a watch if you can.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
How nineties is it?

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
Though, Well it's Sam Neil, so good point armand de
Sante is very like even though it takes place in
la he's very much like, hey, everything fell off a truck,
I'm from Brooklyn type of guy. He's one step below

(01:17:18):
like doing an Andrew Dice Clay like stand up routine, right.
But the interesting thing is like a couple of the
guys who kidnapped Marcia k Harden. One of them is

(01:17:38):
Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite, and he spends the whole
movie just being like I want to rape this chick
so bad, and it's just like, oh, Jesus Christ. And
then when Ray has to, like, you know, weapon up
for this whole situation, he goes to his friend who
works at a strip club who has a bunch of

(01:17:59):
stuff from the back room. And that guy's played by
Greg Henry you know who. Uh he was like Peter
Quill's grandpa and the Guardians movies and okay, the Mayor
and Slyther and stuff like that. So it's just fun
seeing a lot of these guys show up like in
the nineties, and it's just kind of a fun movie.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
One of those funny tropes in movies to me is
like guys need guns. There's always like just guns in
the back room at a strip club that you can get.
Like it's like, I don't know if all strip clubs
are also running guns, Like if you told me, like, oh,
they're doing prostitution out of there, But yeah, that makes sense.
I can see how they'd be like like some goal
congruency between those two industries. The guns in every movie.

(01:18:44):
They seem to always do that, and you're, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:47):
It's not just guns. If you want to nineteen ninety
something Tube TV, he says he'll get he'll he'll get
it for you fifty percent off some VCRs, maybe strip club.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
She must just not be very profitable. They got to
find all these side gigs, right, even in the nineties
when you could get by in just one one job,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:10):
Uh, But yeah, I don't know. I enjoyed watching it.
It is a lot of fun and you know, completely
ridiculous in some parts. But Sam Neil, it's fun to
see him go from the completely straight laced, like lawyer
guy who suddenly he's running around town with a shotgun
and like threatening to shoot people, and Armanda Sante has

(01:19:33):
to be like, well, whoa whoa, like cal him down.
So yeah, it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:19:40):
And then me and a friend of mine went to
the theater and watched Kill Bill, the whole bloody affair,
and I made the decision go right after I heard
Quentin Tarantino say a bunch of bullshit about Matthew Lillard
for no reason.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
He went nuts on Matthew Lillard Paul Dano this week
for reasons.

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
No, just like, you know what, those guys suck the
worst actors in SAG And I'm just like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Like that is.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
From fucking Tarantino. Yeah, I'm assuming they're all people that
at some point was like, dude, stop it with the
fucking feet, and he was like, you've made it in
in me forever.

Speaker 5 (01:20:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
It's so weird though, because Tarantino has been in enough
stuff that he's a SAG actor. Oh no, you know who.
He's significantly worse than people criticized for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:20:32):
I think it started and it started about there will
be blood, and he just went on about like the
big uh, the big mistake in that movie is Paul
Dano and then just went on a tear about how
he's like the worst actor and SAG and all this stuff.
And I bet Paul Dan I was just sitting at
home just like, hey, hey, what did I do? What

(01:20:53):
the fuck man? And then all of a sudden, I
feel like at the end, he's also like, oh, you
know who else fucking sucks? Matthew Lillard. It's just like,
what the hell.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
It's so weird. And there's all these like people online
now that are doing these like videos to explain like, no, actually,
Paul Dano was acting that way on purpose in that movie,
and it's important for the plot of the film. And
you can go look it up if you want, somebody
who's more qualified to talk about that movie than us.
But it's like like they're explaining, like, no, he was
doing that on purpose. He's playing opposite of He's playing

(01:21:27):
opposite of like a big part by playing it small
on purpose. And you can clearly see Dano do bigger
parts in other movies. Yeah, Like look at how he
behaves in The Batman comparatively likes he's capable of doing
different things. That was a decision that was made.

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
I've never seen Paul Dano and something and been like,
you know what, that movie is pretty good, but fucking
Paul Dano, that son of a bitch.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
Yeah, Dano, that's stupid, cunt.

Speaker 5 (01:21:55):
And Matthew Lillard, it's just a national treasure. I don't
know what the fuck Tarantino's got up as ask about that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
I don't have no idea where that one came from.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
I had his time because I'm like, just love the
guy more and more and more and more.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
Right, it's fucking scream and shaggy and god damn it,
the fuck man.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
Well, I just I kind of love just how a
much of an unabashed.

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
Nerd, Like oh yeah, yes, you know what I mean,
runs a D and D club right in Hollywood. Yeah, yeah,
So it was just weird. The thing I did love
is that other people were like, you know, what, fuck Tarantino,
Like other like well known directors and stuff, We're just like, no,
fuck that. Paul Dano's great. I loved working with Paul Dano,

(01:22:44):
and other people have been like Matthew Lillard, it's fantastic.
So I don't know what a.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Weird thing that just to come out of nowhere. It's
just just because Tarantino wants to be in the news.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
He's like, they do the same thing in every movie,
like exactly what I do.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Well, because there's also was it. I don't know if
it was the same interview, if it was a different
one where he's like going on and on hold, like
the Hunger Games Batund It's like, I don't disagree that
it did, but He's like, can you believe somebody would
make a movie that takes all these plot points from
other movies?

Speaker 5 (01:23:18):
I'm like, that's what that's all you do.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
You literally find obscure movies and steal full scenes out
of them.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
Like That's how I've been slowly starting to feel about
him lately. I'm like, I feel like we give him
a lot of praise and I don't know if he
and then all of a sudden, I was like, yeah,
fuck him.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
He's good at what he does. It's just I don't
think he's I think he thinks he's better than he is.

Speaker 5 (01:23:48):
Yes, I agreed, speaking of me and my friend with
Son kill Bill. The whole Bloody Affair good Man four
and a half hours sit in the movie theater, but
surprisingly goes by real quick. So I mean it's it's
the two movies. There's some stuff that's changed in the editing,

(01:24:11):
a couple of story pieces. The I feel like the
big bloody fight in the Japanese club is longer, Like
I feel like there's other little things that are put
in no random cut to black and white to get
past movie sensors. I don't know, there's like one big

(01:24:32):
change that I don't. I don't know should I talk
about it they or not.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
I mean, it's I didn't like Kill Bill Part one
so much that I don't think I've ever seen part two,
So go ahead spoil it. It's fun.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
So I guess spoiler alert, Like it's weird because it's
not a spoiler. It's it's actually they got rid of something,
which I think made the movie better. But when it's
two movies, I understand why it's there. But when it's
one movie, you don't need it. So the first part
of it ends, they don't do the does she know

(01:25:06):
her baby still alive? Cliffhanger? They get rid of that. Okay,
So it's interesting because if this is your first time
seeing it, then as an audience member, you don't know
her daughter is still alive until the very end when
she finds out, which I think would be an interesting
viewing experience. Obviously, since I've seen both parts multiple times,

(01:25:31):
you know I already know it, so it's a little
hard to take that back.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
But it's. Yeah, it's always weird when they do like
re edits of movies or like newer versions, and you're like,
the only people who are going to see this are
people who know the story already, right, Like, nobody's going
into this four and a half hour cut who's not
a fan of those two films to start with.

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
Yeah, there was a whole nother little story beat that
was put in when they're telling and Lucy Low's character's backstory.
It was a whole nother like animated section, which was fine,
and then just a couple other little small things. Nothing
that makes a huge change or anything. But I didn't

(01:26:15):
see a whole lot of changes in the second half
of it. But I could be wrong, and I've I
don't know if I've seen the second half as much
as I've seen the first half.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
Well, you're probably tired by that point of view.

Speaker 5 (01:26:27):
Also probably that we went to like a twelve thirty movie.
So so it wasn't too bad. But there's also a
nice fifteen minute intermission built into the movie, So get up,
go to the bathroom, get a refill. Yeah, I don't know.
I enjoyed it, I mean, for what it is. I

(01:26:49):
told my friend, I'm like, I'm glad I came to
the movies to see it, because you know, that cut
circulated around. They showed it in Japan and stuff a
lot after the movie came out, but it's never been
released like over here, So it was interesting to go
to a theater sit down watch it kind of the
ideal way that he originally kind of wanted to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
It.

Speaker 5 (01:27:11):
Told my friend, though, I'm like, yeah, I don't know
if I would ever go to a theater to watch
it again, because that's that's a that's a long sit So.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Yeah, I don't know, Like if I was a fan
of the movie, I would probably want to go see
it like that, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
For sure. Yeah, but any good time watching a twenty
year old two twenty year old movies merged into one movie. Yeah,
it's fine. But at the end of the day, fuck
Quentin Tarantina right now.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Yeah, again, I think he's a better filmmaker than he
is a person.

Speaker 5 (01:27:48):
Oh boy. Uh. And then the last thing I watched,
I watched a movie called Predators that just came out yesterday,
and it is a documentary about out to catch a
part of their series.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
Oh yeah, I've I've heard of this.

Speaker 5 (01:28:06):
Yeah, and it's sort of taken another look at that
whole phenomena and being like, was it good that we
kind of did it this way? Yeah, because they sort
of break it down. The movie is kind of sectioned

(01:28:27):
off in the three second. It's only like an hour
and a half, but they sort of like have like
title cards and it's just like you know, chapter one
type thing, and it's just like, yeah, to catch a
part of there. So they sort of talk about the
rise of that show and how it sort of came
about and the thing that ultimately got it canceled or whatever,

(01:28:48):
like they stopped doing it on NBC because they were
trying to lure this guy in and he wouldn't come in,
so they just went to his house and apparently he
was like an assistant district attorney in a nearby town
or something, so the police showed up and then he
ended up shooting himself get into his house.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
So they tried to get him to come in and
he wouldn't and then they still treated him as if
he did. Is that the idea, like you know what
I mean, I don't know the details of what this
guy said or did you know what I mean, but
the idea that yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
And of course they filmed it all and not like
you don't see the actual ones that it happened, but
the cameras are all stationed up outside the house while
they're sitting there waiting for the police to kind of
figure out how to get the guy to come out,
and then your a gunshot go off in the distance,
and you're like, everybody's like, oh fuck, there's just a
bunch of weird shit about it because the guy shoots

(01:29:43):
himself and then the police are all, you know, they
have a bunch of police officers outside and there one
you know, police officer standing out there talking with you know,
just kind of talking with Chris Hansen a little bit,
just like bullshitting, but the cameras rolling the whole time.
And then she started it's like cracking jokes about some
of the other people they they got on film earlier.

(01:30:06):
She's like telling jokes and laughing about shit, and I'm
just like, you're a house where a dude just shot
himself because of stuff like this, and You're like, tone
does not seem very appropriate, and you know, this becomes
like really complicated because I've always had weird questions about
this show because i mean, I've I've watched episodes and

(01:30:28):
I've kind of laughed at the guys that have come
in and I'm like, what a bunch of sickos, glad
the police got them and whatever. But then, like I've
always had questions. It's like legally though, like what what
is sort of like what happens when you know the
cameras are off and then they have a little court
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
The whole thing was always a little gross to me
because I did watch it, and like in a lot
of cases, you're it's easy to just go well, like
the guys that show up at a house thinking there's
a thirteen year old girl in there or whatever age
she said was, It's like, I don't it's hard to
have any sympathy for them, and I don't agree agree,
But there's also the whole thing of like, okay, so
you tricked him into coming here, you get them on

(01:31:09):
your TV show and the cops are there, but they
hold off long enough to film the TV show and
then they wait for him to come outside, and then
they rush in and like tackle them and make a
big scene out of it, and it's like it's like
he was already sitting on a bench in there. You
could have just walked in, you know what I mean.
And when the when the police are involved in the
production of a TV show, like that it all feels gross.

(01:31:32):
It's like, should policing be done in a way where
it's done for ratings rather than to catch the criminals?
And like like what if one of these guys was
just uninteresting and the show is like we don't want
them with the cops, just let him go, then you
know what I mean, Like, it's it's all weird.

Speaker 5 (01:31:47):
It's weird because you're like, oh, I fucking hate these
guys for what they're doing obviously, but then like so
this thing sort of does examine. But my question has
always been how is any of this, Like how does
any of this stand up in court? Because I've always
been I've always been like, well.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
Well, it's crazy that it's not entrapmant I mean because
these guys they talk about the fact that they bait
them for months, months and months and months and months
before they finally agree, and it's like, well, but they
told you no twenty times and you kept picking at
them until they caved and then you were like, ah,
you fucking pervert, and it was like, yeah, but you

(01:32:23):
pushed them into it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
But the thing is, it's not entrapment because the TV
show is doing it, not the cops. Yeah, I think
that's probably the legal loophole, which is then it's again
it's kind of it's all it's all gross that, you
know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
It's and I've always wondered, like, I mean, my assumption
is all these guys are just getting the whatever dipshit
public defender that they are given. Who knows who's not
doing like, you know, their a game work on this
kind of stuff, especially if you're defending somebody who's accused
of being a pedophile. But I'm just like, why would
you just be like, no, we were role playing, like

(01:32:59):
that's well, what's what everybody does on the airn at
Israel playing And how could you argue that he wasn't
in his mind doing it that way. It's just these
weird like I don't see how any of this stands up.
They do talk a little bit about it in the documentary.
I wish they focused on it more. Is that there
are a lot of a a whole lot of cases
that ended up being thrown out because a lot of

(01:33:22):
them are that the person there is under the assumption
that Chris Hansen is like an emissary of the police force,
so he doesn't read them the rights or anything. So
when they sit down and just start talking, someone points
out like, they don't know that they don't have to

(01:33:42):
say anything because they're never read any rights or anything.
They don't know that they can just get up and leave.
They don't know any of this stuff, so they think
somebody who works with the police is telling them to
sit down and go over all this. So then they're
not read their rights until they are tackled by the
police outside, so then all the stuff before that, you know,
technically it can be thrown out if you get a

(01:34:04):
good public defender. And they even point out, like this
one they filmed in Texas, the district attorney was like
throughout every single case because he's like, we can't prosecute
these like it's it's all done. And then, like you said,
they were viewing it because everybody's excuse was, oh, they're
bringing these guys to justice, and everybody's like, but it's

(01:34:26):
not really justice because nobody. A lot of these people
don't end up going to jail because all the cases
have to be thrown out. So in reality, you're just
making a TV show for entertainment, right. The way you're
doing is by humiliating them. No matter what, they're despicable
bullshit is. But the entertainment value is you're humiliating people

(01:34:46):
on national TV. Yeah, is that something we should be doing? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
Man, The only big story I could ever remember is
one of the guys on the show came out afterwards
with like the test and stuff that his like IQ
was in like the two digits, Yeah, and a bunch
of stuff like that, like he was a mentally handicapped

(01:35:13):
And don't get me wrong, it's gross. That doesn't like
excuse the behavior or whatever, but a person who had
diminished mental faculties who was tricked into a situation. And
then yeah, and then I don't know for you know
what I mean, I don't know. It's I think the
behavior is gross, But I also think exploiting the behavior

(01:35:36):
to torture a person you don't like, for msting that
is equally gross.

Speaker 5 (01:35:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
Just because just because they're bad guys doesn't make Chris
Hansen and his team the good guys, you know what
I mean, Like, it's not that simple in the real world.
And I think that you get caught up in it
because they're doing this thing that is objectively terrible that
whatever happens to them is fine, and it's like, but
it's I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
And then you get modern day America, which is essentially
what right wing politics is is those people are bad,
so anything we do is justifiable. Well yeah, and then
you go, but why is it Why are they bad?
And they're like, well, they're bad because what they're doing
is illegal because we made it illegal.

Speaker 5 (01:36:17):
Yeah, yeah, there's yeah, some of that will show up,
but yeah. So the document is interesting because, like that
first little section, they go and they do find the
people who were the decoys on the show and interview
them about their experience working on it, and a lot
of it was just like, oh, I was kind of
a young actor and I looked way younger than I

(01:36:39):
actually was, so and you know, my goal was just
to keep them in the house until Chris Hansen comes out.
And some of them feel bad about it, and some
of it some of them are just like, you know,
some of these guys were gross. But then there was
like one guy who was like twenty two or something.
He was in college. She was actually a college student

(01:37:02):
at the time, even though she looked like she was fifteen,
and she's like, and I felt so bad because we
were like on the same path essentially, and I just
kind of wanted to tell him just to but you know,
she couldn't because she knew it was going to fuck
his light up life up and stuff. So yeah, and
then they talked to the because it was a boy
that was there the day that guy shot himself at

(01:37:24):
his house. He was the decoy that was like on
the phone with him and stuff. And he's like, so
it kind of haunts me that the last conversation this
guy had with somebody is with me trying to get
him to come over to my fake house. Yeah, stuff,
And he you can hear his voice trembling and stuff,
and he is very traumatized by the whole experience. And

(01:37:45):
then he talked to like one of the district attorneys
from like Kentucky about this kind of stuff and the
documentary and asked him like, well, what kind of stuff
are you guys setting up, Like how are you helping
to rehabilitate these people? Cause these people obviously need help,
And of course his response is, Oh, it's not my
job to rehabilitate anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Well, yeah, that's that's a fucked up thing about the
entire legal system, which is like.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
And then Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:38:10):
He gets that answer from multiple people in roundabout ways
throughout the documentary, and it's just like, but isn't that
the whole point? Like we're supposed to be helping people,
and I cannot see a single person that's being helped
throughout this whole process.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
Or even go the other way with it and say,
if you're not doing something to rehabilitate these people, like,
then aren't you inherently putting other people at risk once
they're back out there? Like you know what I mean? Like, Yeah,
you're supposed to be protecting Supposedly this is about protecting children,
and if it is, then you need to do something

(01:38:46):
to help these people move past this issue in order
to Yeah, fucking you know what I mean. If you
just punish them after the fact, then you just wait
for them to do it again and punish them again.
That's not helpful, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:38:59):
Yeah, And it's yeah, and then sort of like the
and then they talk about the online copycats that have
popped up about people who ambush, Yeah, other people, and
they actually go and hang out with one for a
day while he's doing his his bullshit, and it's like
everybody afterwards, they're like I felt gross just being there.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
Those those ones are like even worse like the ones
I've seen. I actually intentionally block them when they pop
up for me because I'm just like I can't because
they'll just like they'll physically attack people and stuff, and
it's like, well, wait, you know you're just beating up people,
you know what I mean? Or like, and I like
I saw one where the guy literally just like he

(01:39:45):
had he thought he was talking to like a teenage
boy who was like confused about being gay. And he
looked the guy like they were doing the thing like oh,
we should meet up, and he's like, I'm not, like
you're underage, I'm not going to do anything with you,
and they kept on him and eventually he goes, look,
we can meet up and just talk if you want,
like you obviously need someone to talk to. And they
were meeting in like a public place, and then these

(01:40:06):
guys show up and like physically assault the guy and
he's like, but he said he was just going there
to meet and talk to a confused kid, because this
is a kid who's going through something he'd gone through.
Like this isn't this isn't protecting children, This is just homophobia,
you know what I mean. And it's kind of like
it's this is why we shouldn't be doing this, you
know what I mean. Like it's one thing for the

(01:40:26):
police to have experts in this field who can go
online and find the people who are actually predators. And
actually it's different from just any random person trying to
trick a guy into showing up so that they have
an excuse to punch him and put him on the internet.

Speaker 5 (01:40:42):
Yeah, and then sort of the final third of it
they actually get access to. So I didn't know this.
Apparently Chris Hansen another company teamed up to start their
own like online streaming service, True Blue tr youl Blu.

Speaker 4 (01:41:02):
I don't like that already.

Speaker 5 (01:41:03):
Yeah, and it's pretty much a majority of it is
built around Chris Hansen still doing this nonsense. It's called
like takedown with Chris Hansen some bullshit. They have a
couple other like true crime things on it or whatever.
Because I had to look it up. I'm like, is
this thing still going? And yet still going? So they

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got access to that company who let them come in
and film, Like as they were getting everything set up,
the building was one hundred percent like filled in yet
stuff swimming. Some of the rooms are still empty and
they're doing whatever. And then they do have an interview
with Chris Hansen where they talked to him, and at
first I started to get kind of angry because I'm like,

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this documentary is winding down and they have not brought
up any of the negative stuff to Chris Hansen yet,
which is what they should be doing as this documentary
if this is what they're talking about. And they do finally
bring it up, and of course he like, you know,
people come up to me every day and tell me
how glad they are that you know I'm doing this
and because they were abused as a kid and it's

(01:42:07):
taking people off the street and stuff. And it's just like,
you're reiterating all the talking points that are not the
actual reality as this thing is talked about and stuff.
And so they go into it and then they talk
about this case that they did on this takedown show
where they got some eighteen year old kid, which I

(01:42:30):
was like, really, that's like how far they're going because
apparently in Ohio, written into the laws is there's a
three year like range.

Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
So if you're Romeo and Juliet Law.

Speaker 5 (01:42:45):
Yeah, so if you're eighteen and you're dating a fifteen
year old, that's not considered pedophilia or whatever because it's
in there to protect like if you're a senior dating
like a freshman in high school, like it's that kind
of stuff that they don't want any technicalities.

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
Yeah, Or if you're dating somebody a year younger than
you and you crossed the eighteen mark.

Speaker 5 (01:43:06):
Yeah, a criminal. Yeah. So apparently that's the law in Ohio,
is not the law in Michigan where they were filming.
And so apparently they got this like eighteen year old
kid and his mom points out like, yeah, he went
to a house three blocks away, like he walked there,
and then they, you know, said he was showing up

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to meet a fifteen year old. He's eighteen, he was
a senior in high school. He was still in high school.
He thought he was showing up, you know, to see
another high schooler, and they did this whole thing to him,
and then he ended up going, you know, gets arrested
or whatever whatever you want to call that. They do,

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sees a judge. The judge tells them like, look, you know,
we don't want to ruin your whole life or anything,
but so we're going to put these conditions in order
that if you don't reoffend in the next however many years,
we'll just wipe this off your record. And it's like, oh,
that's great, But then the mom points out, but all
the conditions were you can't be around anyone else that's

(01:44:11):
under seventeen without like a super supervisor, some sort of
you know, court mandated person. So that meant he could
not go back to his own his own high school
to finish out his senior year. He was not allowed
to be alone in his own house with his sixteen
year old brother. So this like completely like destroyed his life,

(01:44:32):
and you know, they tried to do everything they could
to like get past it and whatever else. And when
they're talking to Chris Hansen about it, he's like, well,
we did remove that episode because they were putting everything
up on YouTube at first and then they moved onto
their own streaming platform, and they're like, well, we did
take that episode down because the courts did allow him,

(01:44:52):
you know, sort of a second chance to clear his
record and whatever. And they point out they're like, yeah,
the episode may be down, but if you google this
kid's name, it is the first five pages of the internet. Yeah,
so this kid's life is still like ruined because of it.
And Chris Hansen just was sort of like, look, if
I could save anybody, I would I would, you know,

(01:45:14):
do it all over again, you know whatever bullshit. So
by the time it was over, like I've been thinking
about it all day, just this documentary. So I watched
it last night and it's just one of those that
is just like fuck, there's no like, there's no like
great answer to anything. Obviously, you don't want random people

(01:45:34):
showing up to meet teenagers. But then there's the other
side is like maybe not exploiting them for TV ratings.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
Yeah, don't, don't. Yeah, again, every everybody can be a
bad guy in the same story, like you know exactly, yeah,
you know what I mean, Like you don't, it's yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
I'd be also, uh law enforcement, maybe you should be
doing law enforcement stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:45:59):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
Yea, And again that gets back to what I was saying,
like they're standing outside watching this happen and waiting for
them to come out so they can make the big
TV takedown even gross.

Speaker 5 (01:46:12):
They pointed out that some of the cops on some
of those episodes where you know, the police are tackling
people in the front ron we're wearing essentially wearing body cameras,
but this is before cops were required to wear them
for general policing.

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
So they're wearing them just for the show, just for.

Speaker 5 (01:46:32):
The show, to get those action shots of them tackling people.
See that's fucking gross. Yeah, so yeah, it's just interesting.
They do ask Chris Hansen at the end about like
all the amateur copycats like we were talking about that
are on YouTube, and he's like, well, those people, I mean,
those people are deplorable. They just they're just doing stuff

(01:46:53):
for like clicks and views.

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
They're just doing it to make money for clicks, not
for real justice.

Speaker 5 (01:47:03):
And then smash cut to the other guy that he's
like partnered with that's running this company, and they're going
over like the uh statistics on the like some of
the latest videos they just put up and just going
like two million views, baby, Like, oh, we're already one
hundred thousand subscribers, so we're going to get that YouTube black.
So that's gonna be great. And like I'm just like, yeah,

(01:47:26):
it's I mean, it's the exact same thing you're doing,
just you have an organization behind you you're not just
some dude with a order.

Speaker 4 (01:47:34):
Did they talk about the fact that the reason why
the cops didn't arrest them until after the interviews because
technically they didn't commit any crimes, so they needed them
to admit to stuff in the interviews.

Speaker 5 (01:47:44):
Yeah, that was the whole point. Yeah, I mean, I
mean they I'm sure they technically cover that. In the
that Chris Hansen was people thought he was like emissary
of the police, so thus that they were talking to
someone associated with the police, which is why they didn't
know any of their rights or whatever. So yeah, I

(01:48:06):
don't know, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
Because I know, I know that was the big The
big issue that they had is even if the people
thought they were committing a crime, they didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:48:16):
Yeah. Yeah, And that's one of the big things that'd
be like, oh, they thought they were talking to a
thirteen year old boy, and I'm like, yeah, but they weren't.
And again, I'm like, why, why couldn't someone just be like, oh,
we were role playing, That's what I thought we were doing.
I thought we were role playing. Again, I don't know.
Not great. Don't want to defend people's disgusting behavior on
the internet, but it's just.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
Like even taking it off the internet, they were showing
up at the house, right like yeah, yeah, yeah, I
mean no, I'm not going to sit there and say
that those those are all good guys, but some of
them were I'm sure manipulated into it. And would That's
always my question is like would they have done it
if they hadn't been if there hadn't been the resources
of a national television Netw're trying to trick them into

(01:48:58):
doing it, you know what I mean? And it's like this,
that's that fine line when it comes to any kind
of sting operation of like like I don't trust cops
with it either to be totally honest of like are
you are you getting people to do things that they
wouldn't have done if you weren't involved.

Speaker 5 (01:49:13):
Yeah. So it's a good documentary. I mean I just
talked through a lot of the big points, but it's
still worth giving it a watch. It's on Paramount Plus
down here in the States, so I don't know where
it would be.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
That probably means I can watch it with my subscription
that I got to watched exter Probably.

Speaker 4 (01:49:31):
I think what I figured out about documentaries is the
types of documentaries that I actually.

Speaker 5 (01:49:37):
Want to watch. I should not watch.

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
Because all they do is make me feel bad.

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
No, I I used to watch a lot of them
back when I know in the world was less shitty,
and it was like, I can feel bad for this,
but then I can just go outside and feel better.
But now I can't do that anymore. So yeah, all right,
Well we spent a lot of time there with us
defending the victims of hands and which is probably not
gonna have how we wanted it to come across.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
But here's a brief glimpse of some of the truly
fine pictures we schedules in the near future.

Speaker 5 (01:50:10):
Hey, what are we doing next week? Well, guess what,
it's my turn to pick?

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
So uh in uh what a horrible transition.

Speaker 5 (01:50:21):
Well, I'm just I'm just gonna I'm gonna cud all
that beginning up to make people feel less horrible. And
now they'll wonder what we were talking about. But it's fine.
So the week that the next episode comes out will
be Christmas week. So I felt like we should do
some Christmas horror movies and pick them to fill that

(01:50:44):
void we're gonna be doing.

Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
Uh, I feel like we're running out.

Speaker 5 (01:50:49):
Well, we're gonna be doing the nineteen seventy two movies
Silent Night, Bloody Night that has Morian warn Off, one
of the Roger Corman Ladies worked with the one Mary
Warren of Never Seen It nineteen seventy two. Apparently there
apparently there's like a newer series of movies, at least

(01:51:11):
three of them called Silent Night, Bloody Night that look
like Late Night skin a Max movies, But we're not
doing those. Go free to watch on your feel free
to watch on.

Speaker 4 (01:51:22):
Your own time. Perhaps we should rethink this episode.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
I've seen, Yeah, I've seen Silent Night, Bloody Night before.

Speaker 4 (01:51:30):
Yeh.

Speaker 5 (01:51:30):
We're teaming that up with a movie who I've heard
the title of but didn't know what it was about.
And it's a movie called a Wait further instructions just
came out in like twenty seventeen something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
Oh that's not a good side.

Speaker 5 (01:51:44):
So yeah, it's gonna be our holiday holiday pair up
for this year.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
Are right, Let's see how that goes.

Speaker 5 (01:51:56):
Probably terrible, who knows, well, just everything's terrible, Doug. This
whole last half of the episode, because I had to
bring up to catch partator, has been terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
It's been It's been a really unpleasant conversation, and I'm
really nervous that, like, when this goes out to the air,
everyone's just going to be like, why are they defending
the pedophiles.

Speaker 4 (01:52:17):
We're not. No, that's not the point. Pedophiles are bad.
Abusing people for profit is also bad.

Speaker 5 (01:52:25):
Yes, yeah, yeah, we're not saying they're they're not bad.
We're saying maybe Chris Hansen and his team were bad
as well. Everybody was bad.

Speaker 4 (01:52:37):
Maybe maybe somebody killed.

Speaker 5 (01:52:39):
Themselves maybe by maybe yes, definitely, because.

Speaker 4 (01:52:45):
Yeah, somebody killed themselves. Into the argument when somebody dies,
it's things have gone wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:52:53):
Yes, uh, And I will say they show footage of
Chris Hansen hanging out in front of the house. He
does not seemed remotely concerned for usoever.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
So well, he's probably upset because it's going to He
knows that the network will let the air of that episode.

Speaker 5 (01:53:08):
So they did, Eric, which was shocking to me.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
That's gross.

Speaker 5 (01:53:14):
They show some of the raw footage of when they
were shooting that day in the documentary, because I'm assuming
it was probably used as some sort of police evidence
or something in this whole situation, which is why I
was available with like a Freedom of Information Act thing.
But yeah, everybody's just sort of standing at the end

(01:53:37):
of his driveway, arms across, just kind of what should
we do for lunch today? Kind of kind of attitudes
about stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
Well, I mean for the actual law enforcement people, that
can be hard for them in that scenario because they
do deal with that shot a lot, and you know,
they it becomes not not shocking to be around bodies
when you're in that type of line of work. Yeah,
you hear about it with paramedics and stuff a lot too, so,
but you know, TV personalities probably shouldn't fall into that

(01:54:06):
category of My TV show kills so many people that
I'm just used to it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:11):
Yeah, it's just baffling to me that he's still like
doing it like this. They show footage of him at
crime Con. Have you heard of crime Con before, Doug.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
I've heard of it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:23):
Yeah, apparently Chris Hansen's there and he's just shaking hands
with people, Oh I love you, And then that will
show that like this giant audience watching an episode of
To Catch Preda there that they're showing it in like
you know, one of the banquet halls or whatever, and
just watching people laugh is the episodes going on, just

(01:54:46):
of the ridiculousness, and I'm just like that just made
me feel even more gross because I'm like, oh, this
was filmed a couple of years ago. People are just like, look,
this guy is stupid. He showed up and brought margaritas.
It's just like we shouldn't be laughing at that. Yeah,
I hate everybody just because that's so bad.

Speaker 4 (01:55:08):
The concept of crime Colm bothers me. Yeah, like because
in my brain it goes, this is one of two things.
This is either a a convention for people that are
into true crime podcasts, yes that there is mostly good
people who just whatever have an interest in that topic

(01:55:28):
in some creepos or or.

Speaker 5 (01:55:31):
Noah trying to defend his wife right now, by the way,
or yeah, well.

Speaker 4 (01:55:38):
Or B it is a bunch of cop worshiping sickophant
fucks yeah selling Blue Lives Matter ship and I fucking
hate them Like it's it's A or B. Probably both
are there.

Speaker 5 (01:55:52):
They're probably both. I didn't see that side of it
other than just Chris Hansen, Like, once you really dig
down and just watch Chris hands interact with people, you're
just kind of like, I don't I don't think I
like Chris hands On a lot much.

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
No, I yeah, I've I've had masious that whole thing
for a long time. And it's like it's again, like
it's this this whole idea that because somebody's bad, that
you can do whatever to them and you're automatically the
good guy. And it's like, maybe you all suck.

Speaker 5 (01:56:23):
Again. Not defending patophiles. No, God damn, trapped in a box.
We don't know what to do.

Speaker 3 (01:56:30):
It's I mean, luckily no one listens to our podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:56:36):
That's very true.

Speaker 3 (01:56:38):
Tracy was the last listener, and we insulted her for
half an hour.

Speaker 4 (01:56:40):
At the beginning of the show, I was gonna say,
I also hate the show Cops.

Speaker 3 (01:56:46):
Yeah, yeah, I tried to watch an episode, like when
I was a teenager, I thought Cops was funny, and
then I tried to watch an episode of it once
as an adult and went, oh, like, that's just a
dude that they're chasing her through because he had some
pot in his pocket. And now they're like for the show,
and it's like this whole gross thing again of like

(01:57:07):
we're going to like it's one thing to pull them
over and give him a ticket. Or whatever. It's a
different thing to like show them on TV and embarrass
him publicly, and you know what I mean, and then
he's just got to go back to his life. But
everyone saw him with his shirt off running through a field.

Speaker 5 (01:57:22):
Oh something I learned from this documentary which I did
not know. And even though I loosely tangentially work in
the news business, since I work in TV, I've worked
in TV stations that have newsrooms. For some reason, I
was never aware that, Uh, well, I guess it would
make sense for like local news and stuff, but for

(01:57:42):
like a show like to Catch a Predator. I guess
since its classified as a news show, they don't have
to get anybody's permission to show their likeness on TV.
So all these dudes that show up, they don't have
to like get their permission to show their face or whatever.
Do you think that makes As soon as they said it,
the I'm like, well that makes sense. Like I can't

(01:58:04):
imagine all these dudes being like I'm gonna be on
TV and like signing a waiver for it.

Speaker 4 (01:58:08):
It's weird that that is a thing where I go,
how did they get that categorized as news?

Speaker 5 (01:58:14):
Yeah? Yeah, I don't know, yeah, I felt like that's
something I should have known already. But yeah, for that
specific show, I was just kind of like, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:58:25):
I guess, yeah, I guess it makes sense when you
say it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:27):
I hadn't really thought about it.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
Yeah, it's close enough to news that you get away
with stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (01:58:32):
Well, because I've always wondered, like on cops, like they
show a lot of people, there are some occasionally a
person's face be blurred, but I'm just like, did all
these people sign off like yeah, I'll be on cops?

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
I think a lot of times they're intoxicated and they
just get them to sign the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:58:49):
Maybe yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:58:51):
That's Yeah, it's kind of the Girl's Gone Wild approach
to getting people to authorize things.

Speaker 5 (01:58:58):
Jesus Christ, you're not wrong, but I never thought of
it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:59:04):
It's basically the way I look at it is, yeah,
they yeah, take somebody hammer and ask them if they
want to be in a video.

Speaker 5 (01:59:12):
I think Cindy randomly mentioned Girls Gone Wild once and
her daughter was like, what's the Girl's Gone Wild? And
then she had to explain to her and like, oh,
they used to make girls take their tops off and
film it and that's literally all these all these videos
where and they would sell apparently a ship ton of them.

Speaker 4 (01:59:31):
And then whatever she goes hitting you go, let me
tell you about something called bum fights so much worse.
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:59:43):
This is another complicated situation where I don't. I don't appreciate,
Like I don't. I've never watched bum fights, but the
whole concept that I was like that seems gross. But
then the fucking founder of bum fights went on Doctor
Phil dress stop as Doctor Phil and rattled Doctor Phil
so much that he basically just kicked him off the show.

Speaker 3 (02:00:06):
Because doctor doctor Phil's a piece of shit too. Just
because they sucks doesn't mean doctor Phil's good, you know
he is.

Speaker 5 (02:00:14):
And like, the guy made the point like you tell
me I exploit people. You do the exact same thing
on TV every day, and I'm just like, ah, fuck,
this guy totally rattled doctor Phil, which makes me then
like the guy. But again, I think it's both. Ay,
everybody in this situation could be bad. Yeah, I keep
point of that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:35):
Yeah, No, it's I mean, at least the bump Fights
guy isn't calling himself doctor bum Fights when he doesn't
have a techical license.

Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
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Speaker 5 (02:00:55):
And it's time to say good night.

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