Dracula 2000 & Ginger Snaps

For October, we're taking a look at vampire movies vs werewolf movies. First up, Gerard Butler is Dracula in New Orleans in DRACULA 2000. Then in GINGER SNAPS, we take a look at adolescence by way of werewolves.

Episode Transcript

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X No one under seventeen admitted, I don't feel like
I did that.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
You did go a little bit exasperated Grizzly bear on us.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I am thirty two exasperated grizzly Bears. So I guess
that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
Really you want to switch places?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Done?

Speaker 5 (01:15):
Okay? You can. You can see what exasperated really is
like every other day exasperated every other day You're like,
what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Exasperated is a state of mind? It has nothing to
do with her. I can be exasperated at the best
of times. Let me tell you, let me see if
I can.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
So I was trying to get chat GPT to do
something for me today.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
I don't know if I should think good or something
evil and fun.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
Chat GPT won't do anything. So I wanted it to
create an AI generated image of Clinger from giving Pete
Hegseth the finger, okay, and it said it couldn't do
that because it's, you know, insulting or being disrespectful to

(02:11):
real people. It falls under harmful or drug.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Plus, it had an actual person or character in it,
and chat JPT won't do that.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
So then it gave me a couple options. It says
I can make a satire cartoon style mashup where a
mash style character not directly copyrighted those Clinger, but in
that flamboyant, quirky style like a soldier in a dress
with wild fashion, makes the cheeky of rebellious gesture towards
a generic TV news anchor caricature. Or if you'd prefer,

(02:45):
I can generate a parody art piece in the style
of mash the character is clearly in defiance of authority
or the media without using real people's likenesses. So it
asked me which one I would like to do. I said,
just and do the parody r piece. And then it
went about, you know, saying, hey, this is gonna take

(03:05):
a little bit. So I just went back to it
to see what it did, and it said this image
generation request did not follow our content policy, but it
suggested what it should do and then said, nah, I
get it.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
The only part that's interesting to me is that it
makes suggestions that are against its own policy.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Some of the stuff is very funny too, because you
can give it a command to like, generate this image,
do not do anything that would violate any policies, and
it will come back and be like, eah, this image
violates policies.

Speaker 5 (03:42):
It's no fun no more.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
I don't know. It's the way of the internet. Everything
is always ruined. You should just don't take that long.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
I'm just saying I used to be able to put
stuff flake generate an image of Don Knutt's running a
strip club, and it would do it.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah I won't yeah, no, yeah, I don't know everything
on the Internet that comes out. That's a fun idea
that people are enjoying. They just ruined in one way
or another.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
And I probably evaporated like three lakes asking for that,
just for it, to calculate it and then be like, nah,
I'm hoping for skinne at this point, you just ruined everything.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, we could still get Sky in it.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
You don't know, I hope.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
So it's Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Well, I'm just glad Brian's in a better mood this week,
am I the last couple of weeks? Well, you've heard
the last couple Yeah, I think so. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
I was really hoping for an image of Clinger giving
Pete eggs at the finger let him down.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well, allow me to suggest that maybe if you set
your expectations that specific life is bound to let you
down from time to time. Wow, it's not a good
time to let you guys know that I didn't have
to go to work today Jesus because it was a

(05:24):
holiday for me.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
So with it random politeness day or something.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's Truth and Reconciliation Day.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
The fuck is that?

Speaker 3 (05:37):
It's like, Okay, remember a couple of years ago when
they were like, holy shit, it turns out a lot
of kids died in residential schools and I didn't have
to go to work today.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
I remember it's holidays. I feel like are strange in
a weird way because it feels like you're celebrating a
bad thing.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
I agree, I do feel that we are celebrating a
bad thing. I also, I'm not going to go to
work on days when they tell me I don't have to.
So like they make kids go to school and they're
just like, please wear an orange T shirt and we're like, okay,
the kid in an orange T shirt, drop them off
at school, and then I have the date to myself.

(06:21):
Fuck you, Doug, reasonable.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
Uh so, why did you come up with the theme
for this October?

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Because you guys told me to do one that had
the three Dracula two thousand movies in it, and there's
eventually I was like, oh, there's three of those and
three Ginger Snaps movies. That works out. That's basically what
it turns. That's basically what.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
It is, nothing if not thorough here.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
In the like, it also works out that these two
that were discussing tonight came in in the same year,
and then the two sequels are kind of very unique,
interesting ideas that could only have been made during like
sort of the DVD era where movies forgetting an actual
budget despite the fact that they were probably not theatrical ideas.

(07:14):
And then the third ones are ones that kind of
go loopy and kind of rett kind of a lot
of stuff to find a way to make the stories work.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
So well, Noah, why don't you tell us about Dracula
two thousand?

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Sure, Dracula two thousand. He has a story where Dracula
gets to England and Van Helsing actually manages to stop
him for the most part, and then Dracula and then
Van Helsing steals his blood through leeches to keep himself

(07:53):
alive for several hundred years in order to possibly fight
and defend his daughter who hasn't been born yet, who
was eventually born, and then she's got dracula blood in her.
So Dracula is horning for his blood daughter, and and
omer EPs is there this movie. This movie is called

(08:15):
people better known for being in TV shows the movie.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
I mean, yes, that's a fair way to describe the casting,
but that's not a very accurate potription.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
I mean, that's pretty that's pretty accurate. You've got judas
Dracula who wants to get with his daughter who's not
his daughter. It's Van Helsing's daughter, but has his blood
and is therefore his blood child that he's into.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
It's not a blood child. It's just that she has
like the same essence of events.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
She's got Dracula blood. I mean they point this out
multiple times that they're like, I mean, Dracula even kinda
says that a couple plan where he's like, you know, yeah,
you're man's.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Like you, I don't if you put your blood in
someone else and then that other person has a kid,
I don't think that kid is your kid.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
I also don't think so. I'm just saying the way
it's framed is like that, which is very strange.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
The strangest thing about this movie we should get out
of the way first, is how how high were the
hopes for Omar Epps? Because he gets a with in
the credits. It's like this long list of very well
known actors with Omar Epps and with Christopher Plummer, and
I'm like, oh, he thought he was going places in
two thousand that faded quick.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Well, well, arguably he ended up on a house and
made a bajillion dollars.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Oh he did. I didn't even know that.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
But that's crazy. I mean, House is one of the
TV shows that if people haven't seen it, that almost like.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
But he was up against you know.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
I mean, I just like the fact that fight and.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Are both in this wee he gets credit.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
Look, you're both missing out on Omar App's most important credit,
which is he took over for Wesley Snipes in Major
League two. Come on, Oh that's right, I fucking forgot
he was. Yeah, Jesus, you guys even like him.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
You've got so Omar Epps from House. You've got dude
from that seventies show before everybody uh wrote him off forever. Yeah,
you've got seven of nine uh talking about seven of
nine tits, which is delightful.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
And then you've got Dracula walking around, uh, in which
this version of Dracula's main power is that women want
to fuck him just very good. I mean it's very
It is very two thousands in a way, like he's
just walking around and all the women are like, fuck,
I just create into my jeans because fucking Dracula just
walked into the door in his black fucking T shirt

(11:06):
in shitty ankle lengthd trench coat, looking like a fucking
shittier version of the matrix.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Isn't that always his power?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Then he basically dressed how I dressed in two thousand.
By the way, oh, you.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Were in the trench coat, mafia. I never did the
trench coat.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
The trench coat for quite some time, now.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
Was it because? Umm, because Kevin Smith or more Broodi Loaner.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Uh, closer to Broodie Loaner. Actually I became a Kevin
Smith fan because I was a fat guy with a
beard in a trench coat and people started calling me
Silent Bob. And that's how I found out who that was.
Oh so, anyways, anyways, that's that has not little to
do with the movie. Let's talk about the movie.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
There's a couple of things about this movie.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
I like.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
Overall, though the movie is kind of a mess. I
disagree very much a product of its time.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yes, I will agree with that. It is very two thousand.
It is so two thousand that has Lachlan Monroe and
vitamin C in it.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
So right, Uh, I barely know his dog was ringing
the bell because he agreed.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yep, you like? I like.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
I like Dracula's backstory. I think that's interesting. It's an
interesting way to explain the Christian iconography being a thing silver,
him being cursed to essentially walk the earth for the
rest of time. And I guess, uh, I remember, does

(12:57):
the sun even play an aspect in this Yes, because
he's not allowed to be in the sunlight anymore. The
light will never shine on him again. I find all
that stuff really interesting because I feel like it's an
interesting twist we hadn't seen up till that point, as
far as at least I had seen.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
What's from my perspective. I look at that and go,
I do like it. I don't know if it's necessary
in this film to have the exploration of that background.
And they drop several like lines of dialogue throat, like
we've got to find out his history or whatever, and
then we it's revealed at the end, and it's like,
I don't know if it's necessary, but it's interesting enough
that I don't really care if it's necessary or not,

(13:35):
you know what I mean? But I do it is
an interesting it's a new twist on trying to update
Dracula in a way that it's hard to do without
disrespecting the character. And I feel like this doesn't disrespect it,
you know what.

Speaker 5 (13:48):
I mean, yeah, so that's pretty much the only things
I like.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
That's it. I find the rest of the movie vary
two thousands, which is not compliment, and the rest of it,
I feel like, is a lot of has Noah kind
of pointed out Dracula showing up women wanting to fuck him,
maybe somebody dies in this scene, and that is pretty
much Yet dude, it's Christopher Plumber trying to teach Johnny

(14:16):
Miller how to be a vampire hunter. But also it's
a lot of Christopher Plumber going, don't follow me, and
of course he follows them, and then all hell brekslers.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
And his I don't know, fucking the fact that Van
Helsing apparently spent the last several hundred years building like
steampunk dart launchers, like that was his entire thing, and
he's like, I had to be able to fight vampires
spl punk dart launcher.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Look, the dart launchers are very a very two thousands
kind of idea. Hey, look at this cool weapon that
we invented to fight this thing. But the concept is
pretty interesting of like a way to update dracula story
and bring him into the modern times by having Van
Helsing have him trapped for you know, one hundred and
whatever years and then have to you know, Dracula escapes

(15:10):
because like, Dracula escapes because like a group of criminals
break in to steal and accidentally let him out, and
they have to and you know, they have to have
one more battle, and of course, you know, Van Helsing dies,
but he's able to get somebody to take over for him.
Kind of thing. You don't find that an interesting idea at.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Least the executions kind of man.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
I would say the weirdest the weirdest bit is pretty
much all the bits where we're not directly dealing with Dracula.
I like, like, the brides are real good. They're almost
arguably much more interesting than.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Well, it's interesting because we get to know each of
the brides. We know them before they turn, and then
we still see them after they turn, and then you know,
the Dracula is kind of just a brooding vampire character. Yeah,
and then there's lots of gore in this movie. There's
lots of like sexy girls running around. There's lots of

(16:10):
the stuff we like in movies going on here.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, sexy girls is great. People getting killed by vampires
is great. Like I said, Steve Listen, steampunk dart launchers.
I'm gonna give it a bunch of shit, but it's fine.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
It's fine, honestly, Like there are some pretty fun moments
of him, like firing that big gun thing into the
air and the bullets are flying. And there's the one
I think it's the Danny Masterson character after he becomes
a vampire. He like picks up one of the bullets
and he's like, you'd think this could kill me, and
then it starts burning his hand because he doesn't know
he's not allowed to touch silver. Like that stuff's a
lot of fun to me. I really do really enjoy

(16:42):
this movie. I have to be like, I was a
little nervous to rewatch it because it's been a while,
but I think it's it's a lot of fun to watch.
I do that stuff I do like.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
I do like Danny Masterson's death where the dude like
shoots him twenty five times with the dark launcher and
he goes, dude, I said, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
The one liners, I mean again, they're of their era.
The dialogue is you know that sort of post nineties,
you know timeframe. Buffy was still on TV. Kevin Smith
and Kevin Williams and we're still household names. This is
the kind of dialogue you're going to get in a movie.
But I think it's it's fine for the era. It's

(17:21):
or I would even say good for the era compared
to what else you could see in movies. Like there's
like there's some fun stuff like like you mentioned Jerry Ryan,
like talking about her own tits, like that that whole
scene where she's like a TV reporter and she's like
you get to see her break into like TV reporter
character and then like the camera goes off and you

(17:42):
hear her talk like hey, are my tits in the shot?
And all that kind of stuff, and then back into
TV reporter character, and that moment is pretty fun when
Dracula attacks and the guy's filming her but he can't
see the vampire because of the no reflection thing, Like, oh,
that's pretty fun.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
Right, Shane West by the way, the cameraman, Yeah, he
was in a bunch of shit, right.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I told you the movie was made in two thousands. Yes, yeah,
it's like it's the cast is insanely two thousand. It's
just like, I don't know how it happened.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
Of course, all of this is set to a Marilyn
Manson or Marilyn Manson sound alike soundtrack.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
There's full on Lincoln Park over the final credits. It's
it's two thousands, but I mean that kind of music
also sort of suits a modernized Goths story, right Like,
it's kind of like the idea of setting it. It's
set prenominantly in New Orleans, and it's like, yeah, because
that's where you'd want Dracula to go if he came
to America, right Like, you don't want I don't think

(18:43):
we want him walking around San Francisco complaining about how
steep the hills are, like that's not interesting, but putting
him around.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
Like I would find that specture and stuff. And not
At one point did they walk past Nicholas Cage's future
future resting place that is a giant white pyramid in
the graveyard and go, what the fuck's up with that
gotdy piece of shit?

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Well? Was it there in two thousands?

Speaker 4 (19:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
I don't think so that might be. That might be,
it might be getting ahead of yourself.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
It I just wanted to make any New Orleans drouke.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
I know, But like I think the if you're going
to bring Dracula into the modern era, it's a fun
way to do it to have sort of modern Gothy music,
modern slash Gothic architecture in the background, like New Orleans
is very kind of mixed with that. I think it
that's what you want. That's a good way to do

(19:40):
it if you're trying to tell a Dracula story using
the traditional Dracula, but have him in modern times rather
than you know, almost you'd almost end up with a
fish out of water story if you brought him almost
anywhere else.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
Right, Nicholas Cage's tomb was built in twenty ten.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Okay, thank you for claric.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
It was important. It's not as big as spend spree
and paying someone to move their family remains somewhere else
so you could put his shitty pyramid up. I'm just saying, like.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Uh, Cage podcast, you can talk with them.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
What's her name?

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Your complaint is about this movie, because.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
I just I don't know. Everything was just not good
like you, like you say it was very much two
thousands as a compliment, and I say it as a
derogatory because well.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
I'm not necessarily saying it's as a compliment. I'm saying that,
you know, you watch movies that, Like, if you just
want to cancel a month because the other movies also
came out in the two thousands, we can do that.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
You can talk about how shitty those movies.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
I just don't like, if you're going to be utterly
dismissive of all movies from a particular era, then let's
skip better.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
No, I'm not, I just don't.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
I don't. I did not find the Van Helsing daughter
being connected to Dracula, Like I'm just like okay, Like,
how is that any different than him in the original story,
like connecting with Lucy or whatever? Like here they're like, oh,

(21:20):
but she was, well, originally he goes for Lucy and
then he ends up going for me at the end,
But like, how how is that any different than the
weird blood transfusion blood baby storyline that we had, Like
it seemed overly complicated, really no reason.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
But that's what this is supposed to be as a
modern kind of retelling. That's why he has the three
brides again, that's why we have the the showdown with
Van Helsing, and like Van Helsing's assistant.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
I'm saying, why couldn't they even like that's they even do?
Trying to remember was that Coppola's where he was obsessed
with one on a rider because she looked like his
lost love or whatever. Yeah, like doing this whole science
he mumbo jumbo of Van Helsing was using leeches to

(22:17):
keep himself alive, filled with Dracula's blood, which I want
to know how he knew that was going to work?
How did he not just be like, well, I'm going
to put a leech on Dracula and then I'm going
to put it on me, and that will keep me
alive for hundreds of years.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
He leeches act as a filter. It's made very clear
in dialogue. So he did. He puts the leech on
Dracula and then that sucks Dracula dry, which helps keep
Dracula trapped. Then he removes the blood from the leech
using a syringe and puts it himself.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
So that's not just But how does he know that
that's what's going to make him stay alive?

Speaker 3 (22:53):
He's doctor van Helsing, Mister van Helsing. He went to
medical school to learn this shit. He went to medical
school at a time when when using leeches for medical
reasons was commonplace, So I guess they teach you.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
That, all right.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
I don't know. It's just none of this clicked with
me at all, and I will I've been a Dracula
snob for a very long time because they've never really
done that direct adaptation. This year's Nosparatu it's probably the
closest they've been, and I've was very excited about that.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, but this isn't a direct adaptation. That's not what
I'm just.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
This one's This one's funky, because like I said, I
enjoy all of it, and I think the two things
I enjoyed the least is not necessarily the guy who
plays Dracula's performance, but I think that the characters just
written fucking boring. And then arguably the second most important
character in the movie is Mary, and she's fucking boring.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
Agreed.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Everything else in the movie is fun and two main
things suck.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
I all agree. For me, Mary is probably the weak
point of the film. Like it for me. I the Dracula.
I can get behind the idea that he's just this dark,
brooding leader and his minions are the interesting ones, right,
like they're the fun ones, but he's just too serious
to be enjoyable. I can get behind that, but Mary,
I think that was was uninteresting, and I think that's

(24:26):
partially on the actress.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
Is there are other things like in this may I
don't know, this may be slightly racist, but I felt
like Omar Epps, they were trying to make him almost
like a fucking Blade in this movie where he's just
like beating the shit out of people, Like what if
he was like Evil Blade and someone was like, doesn't
that just make him a vampire? And they're like, shut
your mouth, and then they just did it anyway. And

(24:50):
so like all of his stuff, I did enjoy, but like,
I would not watch a fun ivy of that.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
I would suggest that, yeah, okay, to a certain extent,
Evil Blade. But also if they thought Omar Epps was
the upcoming, like again, how he got a whit credit,
it's weird to me. It's still I don't know why
that's so weird to me. But if they thought he
was going to be the breakout star, then you give
him the kind of the cooler.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
Role, right, They're like he replaced once he can do
it again.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Listen, it's Hollywood, man. Don't act like you're be surprised
to find out that was actually said.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah, I don't know. I just like the style of
the movie didn't work for me. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what else to say, because I do
like the very much. I think the New Orleans setting
is interesting. I don't feel they did anything interesting with
it really, like everything that all the places they're showing

(25:55):
is like the new downtown version of New Orleans. They
don't go into like any of the historic places, which
visually I think would have been much better. But it's
all like, hey, what if she works at like a
Sam Goodie or whatever that version of whatever that story

(26:18):
would be. And it's all like, I mean, I guess
since you pointed out, it's sort of almost like the
Captain America effect where he's been out of out of
the world for a couple hundred years and so it's
him being like what is all this shit? But I mean,
I don't know, Like I look at it and I'm like, oh,
he's in a Sam Goodie, Like who.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Cares it's a Virgin megastore by the.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
Way, Oh sorry, Virgin Megastore.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
But yeah no, And I mean like that to me,
that part of it is just the that's the two
thousands element of it that you just have to live
with that era of filmmaking. Yes, she works at AOL
a cool CD store, you know, and lives in like
this cool apartment and you're like, how did she afford
that apartment on a retail clerk salary? But you know
you're not supposed to ask those questions.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Well, but do you guys think that Richard Branson? Do
you think that Richard Branson personally paid for a large
chunk of the budget of the film, because I bet
it did.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
It seems like, yeah, that seems like the like there's.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
A there's a lot of Virgin logo.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
She she wears her work uniform a lot for somebody
who's not at work that much in the movie, like
she's just at home wearing it. And you're like, okay,
I guess, like I wonder if that store was opening
like around the time that this movie was coming out,
and they're like, ah, let's just let's put our logo
in a movie, because it even says like Virgin New

(27:42):
Orleans on its might as well have the address of
the store on screen. But that's all just part of
you know, modern filmmaking. There's going to be some product placement, so.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
I'm looking at some trivia and of course the Weinsteins
are responsible for this for this movie.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, well it just didn't as much as it's a
dimension film.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Yeah, But I also feel like maybe that's part of
it is I feel like they were just throwing money
at this thing. And I don't know, we'll get into
the next movie, but I feel like doing a very
scaled down and intimate movie is the way to go.
But I didn't realize till just now that apparently Scott

(28:26):
Dereckson was brought in to do a rewrite on the
movie two weeks before they started filming it, and apparently
Derekson said that Weinstein thought the script was terrible, but
it was moving forward with the production regardless. Derekson asked
why he was making the movie. Weinstein replied, because it's
called Dracula two thousand, and I feel like that sums

(28:49):
up this movie completely.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
I see, I think that's dismissive. Like I think the
film is better than that. Like I'll agree that the
reason it got produced, I'm sure was Dracula two thousand
is the kind of title that a movie producer who's
just in it for the money thinks, well, if we
put X number of dollars into it, we can project

(29:14):
making this much money on a title like that. But
I think the people who made the film are obviously
trying very hard to tell an interesting story, to have
decent characters for the most part. And you don't have
to agree with every decision that gets made. You don't
have to agree with every line of dialogue. But yeah,
like I like bringing in someone to punch up the
dialogue at the end is probably what got us. Like

(29:34):
one liner is like, you know, don't fuck with an
antiques dealer, you know, which is fun And I'm not
saying it's bad, you know, in a movie, in a
movie from this era, that's the kind of dialogue that works, right, But.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
It's you say works.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
I say, yeah, I don't know what to tell you.
You're the one that accuses me of hating fun and
you're like.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
That that's noah, thank you very much. Apparently Nathan Fillion's
scenes were added during reshoots.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
I forgot. I just remember that Nathan Villion was right.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
Apparently he filmed his brief scenes on Halloween night when
they redid him, and then apparently Craven compared Dragon of
the two thousand's rush production to his time working on
Scream Too, which was released in December ninety seven after
being filmed between June and August and the year and said,
what's the benefit of making movies so fast? There's no

(30:33):
benefit whatsoever. It's terribly difficult and completely unnecessary.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Well, I'm sorry that Wess Craven felt rushed to me.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah did you did? You? Guys feel like the interaction
between Mary and Nathan Fillion's character feels like they one
were like setting up a plot point that never happens.
I think they were like that they had a previous relationship,
well yeah, he became a priest. It like they're setting
up this, Oh, maybe they'll get together, and then they're like, Nope,

(31:05):
that has no fuck it now.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
I think the idea was they were setting up that
she like her mother, like they wanted everyone to know
that she knew there was something weird in her background
that but she didn't know what it was, right, And
then she finds out that she's van Helsing and everything
like that, and they I think that they're kind of

(31:27):
like after the fact, going, oh, like it's it works
better if she's not completely caught off guard by this
if she knows like why, like knows that there's something
going on, and so they try to set that up.
And then by bringing in the religious element of it too,
it implies that maybe should be more open to believing
these things, because if you believe Catholicism, then you'd probably

(31:47):
believe in vampires. Is what the film is saying, not
what I'm saying. Oh, it's correct, So I think I
think that's what they're trying to do, and it's it
isn't seeing to me to hear that those were added
in reshoots. That doesn't surprise me because they do kind
of feel tonally a bit different from the rest of
the film, and there's no there's no like humor to

(32:09):
the middle, and you've got Nathan Filly in there, you
could have him adding humor even though he's being a
relatively serious part, you know, and it does feel like
they're exposition scenes. So I don't know it, like I
don't know, like you haven't said too much, now, is
there any other parts that you that you particularly liked

(32:29):
or particularly didn't like.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
See I'm trying to think of anything like really stood
out as being like fucking awesome I did like the
scene where they had arrested one of the brides and
she's in that interrogation room doing all for a weird
leaning shit and that police detective is like, uh, what
what is going on?

Speaker 3 (32:53):
There was like that element of like people who were
not involved suddenly seeing a vampire and just going like, huh,
this doesn't feel right at all.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
This isn't right. That's not the way that's supposed to work.
Also good, good one liner in that scene too, of
Dracula gets ready to kill the doctor and he screams
like a girl and he goes doctor dignity, isn't the
guy screams again? For good?

Speaker 3 (33:20):
I forgot about that one. I like that one.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah, that's a good that's a good movie.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yea.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Omar reps Being Blade very good. It's pretty fun.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
He's being Blade, and that he's also wearing all black
with like a red shirt open over top of at
one point, which is gotta be like in two thousands.
That has to be a reference to Spike from Buffy.
That's exactly how you would addressed every week.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
I also do like that you have Van Helsing's assistant
guy who kind of visit becoming the vampire Hunter through
the whole fucking movie, and then the movie ends with
like Mary, who is basically done jack shit in the
fucking movie, being like, I am Van Helsing's daughter and
I have taken over his legacy and this vampire Hunter

(34:08):
is now my assistant, bitch.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
If it makes you feel any better, they write conn
that we'll talk about it next week.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Pretty funny.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Yeah, they kind of made it. She's like, I haven't
talked to my dad in years, and then when he
shows up when he's dead, there's just some like there's
no conclusion to that situation. We do find out that
he stayed away from her or mom to keep them
safe or whatever, but like there's just no resolution for

(34:40):
her at Like she finds her dead dad and she's like, well,
I guess that's it.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Well Andy gets killed fucking off screen. They just like
kill Vane. Hell, it's the weirdest, Like they set him up,
they do all this stuff. He shows up to the
house and then Dracula is like, yeah, I'm gonna fucking
get fanged deep in your daughter, bitch, and he's like, no,
don't do that. Take me and he's like no, I'm
you know, my vengeance is never complete, and then the

(35:06):
next time we see him, he's dead and it's like, oh,
so his vengeance was complete, so he was just done,
Like he did kill him, he just made that speech
about dormenting him for no reason.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I mean, I agree, I would like to see man
Helsing die on's screen as part of like a final fight.
But also it's old man Christopher Plumber. I don't know
how much of a final fight you were going to
get from him.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Well, I mean, even if it's just a fucking he
just gets straight murdered or whatever. Yeah, why it's fucking
it's a main like it should be a big plot point,
right and instead of throwaway.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
I agree, I like that's a valid criticism, and like
I do think also like just the idea of the
daughter coming to realize that like, oh shit, like my
dad didn't abandon me, he was protecting me, and that
therefore accepting her legacy kind of thing. It's not handled well,

(36:05):
it's glossed over and it you know, the movie doesn't
want to slow down enough for us to stop and
think about that stuff, which is a problem. But like
when like even just what I'm picturing now my head
Danny Masterson with like his mouth all covered in blood
after his first couple of kills, the vampire stuff like,
that's super fun. The blood and guts in this movie

(36:27):
is pretty good.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah, and uh, the man in the iron mask version
of Dracula in the coffin's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah, when when they first opened that coffin and he's
all like skinny and gross because the leeches have been
sucking his blood and he's got the thing on his
face and cross they put the cross in his hands.
It was just a dick move by Van Helsing by
the way they put like the cross like so it
looks like Dracula's holding it, but obviously he wouldn't voluntarily
be holding it, so they had him unconscious when they
put that in there. We're just rubbing it in.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Now, well, I think that's supposed to be, Like what
was holding him down in the coffin was that? Because
it's not till we's his face pulls that cross out
that Dracona gets him good.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
No, I agree, that's why it's on top of him.
But I just didn't think they needed to make it
look like he was holding it. I didn't. Now I
feel like they're rubbing it in that's all. That's a
very big nitpick on my part, But I'd like, I
do like that whole thing in the plane where it's
like where he gets the he wakes up, and there's
even that moment where the other guy comes back and

(37:29):
he's like sees Dracula there and he's like, nah, you're
not from that coffin. I know you're not from that coffin.
A shit, you're from that coffin. Like it's pretty fun moment.
I like, I liked all that stuff on the plane.
And then Dracula causes the plane to crash and we're
meant to believe it's an accident, but then we got
our reveal that he crashed it there on purpose to
get close to New Orleans.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Again, strange, like he used his mind mind power to
decide where they were going before he got out of
his coffin and they were already going there. Yes, he
did that, but he did that.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah, yeah, Again, he's apparently a Christian character in this film,
And if you can believe that stuff, you can believe anything.
So sure.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
It's also weird that the Christian iconography didn't necessarily hurt
him as filled him with unimaginable rage for whatever reason.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Well that's not true. Remember because he shotgun blasts him
with the pages of the Bible.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah, it's true, but that could have been the shotgun
that blasted but yeah, could have been anything in there. Anyways,
I did dig the performance from jar Butler at the
end when he's like talking to the big like Neon crucifix,
He's like like yelling at it because he's mad at

(38:59):
g's this, and that's kind of It's right, Jesus is
representative on Earth and I'm like, oh yeah. The fact
that he was able to do that so seriously while
talking to a giant Neon Jesus was pretty fun to me.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
I just wanted him to be like, why does this
make Jesus look white?

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Well, that would be the follow up question of why
is Dracula was also true? I mean it's like white.
Probably like the idea, the idea that people could trace
his lineage back to like a Romanian prince and you're like,
I don't even know if he looks at that Romanian
Actually whatever. Again, I'm not going to get into that

(39:43):
debate over which which fictional character should be which race.
It doesn't matter, like it's the only person whose race
played a role was omar Apps. Because you're probably right,
they worked probably trying to.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
Make him be placed.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
That's that's holly Wood's racism. It's not ours.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Uh all right? Does the best have everything else they
want to say about dragging the two.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Thousand, No, I mean, I guess we're we're what one day,
one day and one man. Noah's somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
That means, like I said, listen, it's fine. There's way
there's way fucking worse horror movies, and in fact, there
are way worse at vampire movies.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Now when I put this one up in the top,
probably not it's like it's probably not top twenty, let
alone top ten or something like that.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
But sure, but but top twenty out of the eighteen
thousand vampire movies that have.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
Been Yeah, yeah, exactly. Think that's what I'm saying. It's
it's one of the genres of subgenres, of subgenres that
has a lot of fucking.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Films, and as I would even go as far as
to say, as far as like ways of updating Dracula
for the modern era, I think at least it's a
unique and interesting way to try. Maybe some people didn't
like that, but at least they gave it a shot
and didn't just like time travel or something, you know,
or like people find him in a cave somewhere or whatever.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
So we sort of mentioned last week, but this was
part of the West Craven Presents line that they were
trying to do. Yeah, I don't know if it so
Weird helped.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Or not.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
Wish Master recognized wish Master was part of this.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Well, I think it must have helped it casting time,
you know what I mean, Like, like it must have.
They must have had Wes Craven's name on when they're like,
do you want to be in this movie? It's produced
by the guy who made Scream. That has to be
how they got all these people in it.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
We've said it's pretty stellar cast.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
It's insane, man, all right, do.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
You want to break down? Ginger snaps far as done?

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah, Ginger snaps So to dothy teenage sisters who are
always in bad moods. One of them gets bit by
a werewolf. And it's the type of werewolf that you
gradually transform into once and then you're the monster forever.

(42:22):
It's not like a back and forth kind of deal.
So they're dealing with the emotional impacts of gradually transforming
into a werewolf, and towards the end they are able
to team up with a local drug dealer to create
a cure, but they're a little bit too late and
she does turn into a were wolf and tries to
eat your sister.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Yep. If there's anything the Internet definitely needs is three
middle ages, white guys talking about girls getting their periods
for the first time and how that translated into a
werewolf analogy.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I it's so funny to me because I watched this movie,
like obviously I saw it when it came out a
bunch of times or whatever, But the first time I
watched it, like as a grown adult and realized that, like, oh,
there's lines of dialogue in here that explain that it's
like they're way too old to be getting their periods
for the first time. And I'm like, that never even
occurred to me back, And I'm like, I don't know

(43:20):
when any of that. It doesn't. It's not a thing
I ever bothered to learn about because I don't know,
and it is it is obviously just something they did
for the movie in order to get the characters to
the appropriate age and still have their analogy of how
menstruation is like turning into a werewolf.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
I don't there's this there is a thing with ginger
snaps that is, for the time it came out, was brilliant.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
Oh, I think it's biant.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
And that was like they made they made all of
these assi. Yeah, they made a bunch of associations to
teenage sexuality and uh uh periods and and just just
like a whole bunch of stuff with werewolves that you're like, no,
that one hundred percent makes sense. That Why aren't like

(44:14):
they talk about at one point the whole bears and
sharks and shit attacking girls on their period because they're bleeding,
you know what I mean that that kind of stuff.
But that kind of is what happened, Right, She's on
a period in the market, he attacks her.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah, it's one hundred percent what happened. Because up until then,
the whatever they were calling it, before they knew it
was a werewolf, the beast was only attacking like dogs
and ship There was no human victims until her. And
it's because she was in the wrong place at the
wrong time. But also happens to have been on her period.

(44:49):
That's that's intentional in the film, right.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
Yeah, well, and there's you know, there's terminology like plays
on terminologies, you know, a bitch and heat, you know,
which is kind of what they do with Ginger like
but in a literal way and kind of turn her
into monster and victim at the same time, which is fascinating.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yeah. Well, and that's I mean, that's it's interesting because
that is sort of always been a werewolf thing where
you're the villain and the victim of the story, right,
going back to long Chaney Junior's performance and the original
wolf Man, it's always been that weird balancing act. But
then to take that and compare it to you know,
what girls are going through in high school is an

(45:32):
interesting it's an interesting comparison. Again, we're probably qualified to
talk about the female experience.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
But sure, sure, But I'm just the technical side of it.
Like I said, this is just the association of periods
with you know, lunar cycles, and then werewolves are also
lunar cycles, and yeah, kind of just mashing that all
together in a very strange way, and the very you know,
there's a very different thing that happens between what's happening

(46:02):
to Ginger is she turns into a were wolf, and
what's happening to the guy as he's turning into a
were wolf? In which she's kind of this I don't know,
partially under control, like seductress kind of character versus the

(46:23):
guy who is just instantly going into a horrimonal rage monster.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Right, which I mean, like, let's be honest, like that,
to some ex sense is true when you look at teenagers,
like teenage boys do tend to have a lot of
testosterone built up, tend to have a lot of anger issues,
you know, for just because that's how your biology made you, right,
And it is like I find it interesting watching because

(46:49):
we obviously spend a lot more time with Ginger than
we do with him. But the idea that she's got
all these urges and she doesn't know what they're for,
and she doesn't understand them, and so she has a
like even that whole thing where she goes and sleeps
with the guy, and then she's like kind of instantly
regrets it because she's like, that's not even what I wanted.
It's just I didn't understand what was going on with

(47:11):
my body. So I went and did that thing. You know,
it is very interesting to me. I think the idea
that like also, like I mean obviously the bringing in
the the STD element of it, where she transfers the
the infection or whatever to him that way, is that
was kind of a neat idea, especially pretty unique for
the era, probably something you see from time to time now.

(47:34):
But all of it's, all of it is more interesting
than I'm capable of explaining properly right now.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
I think, Yeah, there's definitely interesting stuff, like the idea
of going through puberty and then like her sister doesn't
even recognize her anymore because she seems completely different. So
even outside of the sort of werewolf thing, like suddenly
she's interested in boys, Yeah, and you know, has more

(48:01):
of an attitude and like all this stuff, Like it's
not super subtle or anything, but I feel like it's
an interesting sort of conversation on all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Yeah. No, and the idea too of like these two
sisters that have spent all this time together their whole
lives and have they're not quite twins, but they have
their own sort of subculture that just the two of
them are in and ways they speak and everything, and
then kind of being driven apart by one of them
maturing a little faster than the other is an interesting

(48:35):
thing to watch happen on screen. And it's something that
like lots of people I'm sure go through, I don't.
I didn't have like a brother that was the same
age as me growing up, But there was that idea
of like growing apart from someone that you've spent all
that time with and the sort of inherent pain that
comes with that is interesting, and the idea that like

(48:55):
the one might be trying to hold on to it
longer than the other.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
Do you find it interesting that, like at one point
towards the end of the movie, when everything's really heading
towards the climax of the film, we do get their
mother who's just like, look, I don't know what you
guys did, but you know, we'll all just run away together.
We'll start over again. And I'm just she's like, what

(49:23):
about dad. She's just like, yeah, probably blame me anyway.
She's ready.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Just she's relief in the movie. Yeah, but it is,
it is. I don't know. Because our main characters are
these teenage girls. I think the parents are portrayed as
if you're seeing them from a teenager's perspective, and the
idea that this mother really genuinely does care for her
kids and would throw everything away for them, absolutely however

(49:54):
annoying as fuck. It just won't shut up, won't leave
us alone, you know what I mean. Like I felt
like that's exactly how teenagers see their parents. Like I
get it. I understand that she cares about me, it
would do things for me, But I wish you wouldn't
wish this should just go away, you know. So I

(50:14):
think that's and I think it adds like they do
a really good job in the movie, like of adding
in a little bit of humor here and there. There's
that there's the moment where they go visit like the
school nurse and those kinds of things, and it's like
there's a couple of these moments where it's like it's
a little funny, but it's also it's not it. I'm

(50:34):
gonna put it doesn't totally shift the movie away from
the serious tone that a lot of it carries. The
way that maybe the last movie did when they brought
in the humor, maybe it did pull you out of
the darker elements of the film a little bit this
manages to not do that by being more subtle.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Yeah, I don't know the funny thing. So I love
this movie obviously because it's it's one of the best movies.
I have one major complaint about the movie, and that
is the name of the movie is Ginger Snaps. The
main character is Ginger. There's a big thing about her

(51:13):
red hair to the first like third of the movie
where it keeps getting brought up over and over and
of course you know red to period blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah. Because again, this movie's not subtle,
but at least it's thought out. When she turns into
a were wolf, it's white. Why would she turn into
a red werewolf? Like, it's madness, that's mad writing. That

(51:37):
makes me angry. It's like the one thing in the
film that actually angers me.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
I'm like, what in the fought? I can guarantee you
what happened there is that they probably wanted to make
red werewolf and then you're like trying to make that
work and it wasn't, and they just went with the
coolest makeup effect because it like the makeup. Her gradual
transformation when she starts to go it is all fucking excellent,
which is important in a movie like this that when

(52:03):
she's walking around it doesn't look cheesy or stupid. And
when the hair finally does start to go white, it
does look cool, even if it upset Snoah, which actually,
in my mind makes it cooler.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
But here's here's the problem. I think it looks cool
in a two thousands villain kind of way, like sh
She looks a little bit like the Raith ghosts from
the Shitty Matrix movies like Let's be.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
Honest, like.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
In which she looks so much better earlier in the movie,
Like it doesn't. I feel like it doesn't improve there
now the makeup on her that they do on her
stomach and chest and stuff, which is very interesting, where
it almost looks like her skin is getting weird, like
it's getting loose, like a dog skin, you know what

(52:57):
I mean. She has like wrinkles on her stomach.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
I was gonna ask her what we're down with the
six nipples on the stomach to find down with. I
had an internal conflict when I looked at it, and
I'm like, are we really doing just going the full
all right? And I don't know if I like it,
or if I don't.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
I will put it. I will put it this way. Normally,
I would be like, gross, Now the actress we're talking about,
Catherine Isabel exceptions Catherine, all right, it's fine, she could
have six nipples, don't go fuck.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
No, I would all right. I would remind everyone that
she's sixteen in the movie.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
Was she sixteen when they filmed it?

Speaker 3 (53:42):
I don't know, and I'm not looking it up. I'm
not typing in. Was she underage at this point?

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Weirdly, didn't this come out after the whole weird thing
in uh? Oh god, damn it? What was she in
that they body doubled her for a nude scene and
she was ready? Versus Jason peeved about it? Yeah, Freddy
versus Jason. This this was before.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
No, this was first, wasn't us Jason might be like,
I don't know cause I saw this in theaters, which
I don't. I'm guessing yeah, like you guys might not.
I don't know how easy it was for you guys
to see this movie when it was new.

Speaker 5 (54:18):
I had to come to it to it later on video.
She was born in eighty one, yeah, so that would
have made her nineteen in two thousand.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
All right, if anyone wants to put Brian on any lists,
it's the I'm looking at this picture of this girl
and I wanted to hold she was when this was
taken list. I'm just saying, anyways, listen, all right. My
point would be more I think the the multiple nipples things.
It works because the in this version of were wolf

(54:54):
ism there she's transforming gradually into the final problem. Like
it's it's not like becomes a wolf, goes back to human,
becomes a wolf goes back to human. So yes, like
you would anticipate having something similar to a wolf's stomach
when you're the final product, and that would meet a
step along the way. Those nipples would have to come

(55:16):
in gradually. I guess like some of the science might
fall apart if you start wondering what's going on inside
her body, like could her wear wolf baby suckle from
all those teeths? I'm not sure, but I know that
we should stop talking about whether you guys.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
Want to or uh so barely. Catherine Isabel also has
a body double in the next Ginger Snaps movies, so
we'll see that next week or not next week the
week after the third one. Sorry, I'm just looking at
all the trivia on her. Anyways, she went to farm. Oh,

(55:55):
she went to a pharmacy after day of shooting Ginger Snaps.
The people thought she'd been beating up since she was
still covered in fake blood. That's funny, all right. Yeah,
I don't know. I love this movie. I think it's
a good like coming of age movie, mix in mix
in the werewolf stuff, which is never a bad thing
to mix in were wolf stuff. Stories told really well, and.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
I think the performances are really solid too, which is important.
Like the two girls are excellent, and I mean they've
both gone on have good careers after so, like it's
not surprising, but they were I don't think we knew
who they were at the time.

Speaker 5 (56:37):
Emily Perkins played the bed.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
With these performances in The Fruit.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
Emily Perkins played Beverly's. Yeah that's the one I think
I knew her from. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Yeah, And it's like but but I think they're like
the really solid performances. The just to do all the
stuff they do in this movie and take it so
deadpans serious is difficul as an actor, and I think
that they do a good job of it. Yeah, I
even like the drug dealer character. I don't remember his name.
I think he's like a fun like his performance is

(57:11):
it's a little bit more lighthearted than theirs, but it's
also like he's playing like the cool guy and I
enjoy watching him on screen. Like there's scenes where he
like is trying to help them figure out how to
deal with the lecanthropy and he shows up at their
high school and like, you can't bug us. It's during
class and he's like, fuck fuck me. Then I guess

(57:34):
me think I'm trying to help, And it's sort of
a fun little way to like a fun little way
to write in how they can come up with a
cure idea that makes a I mean movie sense of
he's a drug dealer, so he knows how to make
drugs out of these dried flowers kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
His death is pretty great too, Yeah, where they're like
in the closet making plans and he's like, all right,
so I'll sneak out and you know, you draw our
attention and it'll well. Then he like opens the door.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Just like ah. I would say it was pretty whole
sequence at the end. The whole sequence at the end
I think is genuinely frightening. Once they're back to the
house and you get that moment where they're in the
garage and the wolf escapes the back of their van
and makes it into the house and then they're all
trying to creep around. Like, I think it's extremely well done.

(58:27):
Like I don't know, hard for me to be scared
of wear Wolves as an adult, but I think that
it's objectively scary. Yeah, I feel like the I mean,
i'd like, I love this movie.

Speaker 5 (58:39):
If that's not clear, So no, no, uh, we're all
positive on it. I think the I thought the Yeah
that scene no, I was talking about Like, for the
most part, I didn't find anything like super scary. It's
just like, oh, fucking wear wolf shit. Yeah. But then
that scene where where he slowly opens the door to
go out and then he just gets like yanked out

(59:02):
and just destroyed. Like that's a genuinely creepy scene. The
guy was just like ole fuck. And then you just
mainly see a majority of it through the POV of
like Emily Perkins, who's sitting there just like what the
fuck is happening on the other side of that door.
Was it was done wonderfully?

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Yeah? Yeah, the whole ending sequence too. I think with
like Ginger as the wolf and like the way her
SISTERSS to like kind of trick her and kill her.
It's very kind of emotional and it's done really well.
But at the same time, like you are a little
nervous that she's gonna get eaten, and she kind of

(59:45):
partially does, you know, And so I guess it's like
quote unquote a happy ending because she has a cure there.
I do worry, like as as the old man watching
it now, I am like that poor Dad is just
going to come home find that house like that. I
don't know how he's going to address those concerns.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
Dad was left out of this whole thing completely, so he.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Was He's just like even because even when he found
like severed fingers in his backyard, he was told he
was being silly to worry about it, and those were
obviously fake and move on.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
I do well, and especially for the fact that like
Dad's like two lines up to that point in the
movie had been either fairly supportive or typical Dad stuff,
where you know, she's like, don't you dare go out?
Like she's like tell him, Frank, and he's like they
never go out.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Like they're like, yeah, correct, he's correct.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
He's like he's He's both supportive, but also I think
he's supposed to play like the typical male because they
do the thing where like, he doesn't want them talking
about menstruation at the dinner table, which.

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
To be fair, daughters don't seem to want to be
talking about it either.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Yeah, it's only the mom that wants to And I'm like,
maybe the dinner table's not the place for that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
I mean, listen, like people give people shit for that
kind of stuff. But at the same time, I don't
want people talking about their fucking nose bleeds at a
goddamn dinner table. Yeah, like it's gross, Meet my dinner.
Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
However, I would discuss this movie at the dinner table,
which would inevitably lead to the menstruation discussions, So I'd
be screwing up kind of kind of being hypocritical there. Anyways. Yeah, No,
I think the dad character is intentionally distant from everyone
else in a certain way where he is like, he's

(01:01:44):
a decent guy, he's supportive, he's helpful. But what I
think the idea is when it comes to these female issues,
he can't help. He shouldn't. He probably shouldn't help, right, Like,
it's not supposed to be a dad that deals with
those issues because he's never been through that, right.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Yeah. And also that's what.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
I think, that's what the movie is trying to portray,
and I think they do an okay job of it.
Like he's certainly not a villain in the film.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
He's certainly not like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
A negative influence in any way. He's just not able
to do anything.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Yeah, he's not very helpful with that. And then the
mom is too helpful and so weirdly in their own
separate ways, they are able to isolate the daughters because
of that, which just pushes them further together. And then
when we see them at school and everybody's really shitty
to them, you know, again it's all just isolation towards

(01:02:36):
each other. And then when that breaks up, you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Know, yeah, that's that's that's a good drive in the movie,
is you know. And it's like, I don't know, I
it feels pretty real to me too, Like I wasn't
in high school in two thousand anymore, but I wasn't
that far removed from it. And it's like the whole
idea of like especially like because she's like a sixteen
year old girl, and it's like, oh, they're fucking weird

(01:03:01):
and gross and I don't like her. And then as
soon as she starts to get attractive, all the guys
are like that, not that weird, not that gross is fine.
It's fine that she dresses that way. It's fine that
she talks that way, like you know, I don't like, yeah, like.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
I was gonna say. The grossest part of that, which
is also unfortunately the most accurate depiction of fucking dudes
at that age, is towards the beginning, whenever they're on
the I don't know, I think they're playing lacrosse or something,
but throughout on the field and those guys are talking gross,
disgusting stuff about women because that's what they do. But

(01:03:34):
he's like, yeah, she's ready to get fucked. And they're like, ah,
she's like goth and depressing, and he's like, no, the
one with the tits. She looks like, yeah, that's it,
Yeah she's got she's got boops now, and so he is.
He is now interested in her, despite disliking her before
she grew boops.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
I get it. I'm like, yeah, I mean, I do
think it's sort of betrayed in the film and fair
a way though, where it's like it's not her fault
that she's changing. Certainly she's not doing anything wrong. But
it's not like the boys aren't necessarily villains. They're as
much as they are just they're you know, victims of
their own hormones, you know what I mean, Like they're

(01:04:15):
not they're not emotionally or mentally capable of dealing with
the fact that a girl suddenly his boops. Does that
make sense?

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
Yeah, they're not the ones that are pushing one of
them face down into a dead dog carcass. Yeah, you
guys are just like a boobies, whereas the other girls
or the ones that are like really mean to them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Yeah, which I think again I think is for the
most part accurate to teenage life. Right, Like it's like
boys will bully other guys, but like you know, you
get them, you get them into onto whatever sports field
and use this an excuse to hit them really hard
when you're supposed to just nudge them, and you're like,
girls will bully other girls. That's generally how I don't

(01:05:00):
Maybe it's different today, but.

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
I don't know junior high, we got we got a
girl that beat up a guy once and that was
pretty funny.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
Sure, I do.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
I do want to say the girl that gets killed
at their house, that death is still just like fucked up.
Like even I still watch it. I still watch it,
and I mean I've seen the movie a couple of
times before, but even still, just the moment the back
of her head connects with the count with the corner
of the counter, I'm still just like, oh God, that's

(01:05:34):
worse than anything in the entire movie.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
I was gonna say it's funny too, because that's happened
in so many movies at this point, and it gives
me every time. I'm always like Jesus right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Well, because it you know what it is. It's the
little part in the back of your brain that goes
that could that's real like that yeah, Like that's why
I have rounded things on my countertops, those straight edges.
That's planning my part.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
From when your kid turns into a.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Werewolf, yeah, well, or a teenager.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
It's anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
No, I mean, this movie is great, like it's interesting
to Noah said I with the last movie, Oh, I
wouldn't put it in the top twenty or top ten
of vampire movies. This one I would put in the
top three of werewolf movies. Like it's it's great. It's
the characters are good, the acting's good, the dialogue is
for the most part, very good. The gore is great.

(01:06:36):
Like there's so much good blood and guts in this movie.
Dead dogs everywhere at the beginning, and it's it kind
of crescendos from dead dogs to dead people to back
to a dead dog at the end, kind of which
is nice.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
It's I just love you know, it's like a really
good werewolf movie, but not like in a monstery sort
of way, Like you wouldn't watch this and be like, oh,
they should make like Dragon the two thousand versus Ginger Snaps, Like,
it's not that kind of nonster movie.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
And again, like if you're talking about updating a traditional
werewolf story, like again that that Lawn Chainey movie, which
is essentially the first big werewolf story, and I know
there were movies before it, but it is very much
this idea of it's a character study of this guy
who's going through this thing, and so to take that

(01:07:27):
and apply it to a different person in a different
era is an interesting way to retell that story with
a unique take on it, right, And so it's like
and again, like I think just this idea of that
this beast that was just out there too. There's something
about werewolves that I like with every werewolf story has

(01:07:48):
to start with there's just a werewolf out there. I
don't know where it came from or how it got there,
but then it's going to affect one of our characters,
and now we're going to have a new one. This
were wolf got the first were wolf cup blown up
by a van, so it's gone.

Speaker 5 (01:08:04):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Anyways, Yeah, this movie is like it's near perfect. There's
almost nothing negative to say about it. I don't know
if anybody has need, like we were supposed to be
discussing movies, should be discussing any criticisms of it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
Yeah, I forgot about that. The one flaw, the one
flaw of the film.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Flaw of the films that should have been a red Werewolf.
I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
I don't. I don't really.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
I mean, that's that's pretty nitpicky. So I respect that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
Yeah, I don't really have anything to complain about. Like
I said, I feel like it's a good coming of
age story. It's a good werewolf story. It's just a
good like people being Dix and other people trying to
figure their life out. Yeah, it just turns out that
they have to worry about being a werewolf at some point.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Yeah. I don't look, I don't think I can think
of anything negative to say about this. I didn't really
like hearing the drug dealer guy talk about the the
circumcisedess that you found on the road.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
It's what did we think of the look of the
actual werewolf at the end, other than it not being
read like, do you like the designs? Do you think
it's good?

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
So it's it's not horrible. I would say that the
biggest issue I have with it is all the effects
that they do on Ginger up till that point are
so good that I feel like it makes the werewolf
maybe a little lackluster.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Yeah, I think it's a little immobile if you're gonna
like it kind of has that feeling, that feeling of
like kind of reminds me of Food of the Gods
when they're like just sticking the giant chicken head under
the screen and whacking the actors with it. It kind
of has that feel to it a little bit obviously
not it's obviously much better than that, but but I do.

(01:09:55):
I do like the look of it. I like that
it's kind of it's less humanoid and more just a wolf.
I mean, for the purposes of this story, I think
that works. Generally, I kind of prefer that the bipedal,
more humanoid type werewolf, but in this story, I think
this works. It's obviously taken from American Werewolf in London.

(01:10:17):
That was their kind of inspiration. Whether they admit it
or not, I have no idea, but you can tell, right,
and I think it works overall. I think it's I
like the design is a special effect perfect. No, it's
a low budget Canadian film from two thousand, so the
special effect is not going to be perfect. I remember

(01:10:38):
when they were promoting this movie that they brought like
the werewolf head onto like a Canadian talk show, and
they had it kind of there, and I remember thinking
that looks really fucking cool. I can't wait to see
that in the movie. And then in the movie it
kind of looks exactly the same as it did on
the talk show because it was just sitting there. They're like, okay,
but again, like, don't watch low budget horror if you

(01:11:01):
expect perfect effects, right, so exactly, So, I mean any
anything I said that came across as negative, for the record,
I didn't mean it that way. I mean only positive
things about this movie.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
Apparently the director refused to have CGI effects in the movie.
It's just like, now we're doing it all for real,
which is cool.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
In two thousand, that was probably the right move.

Speaker 5 (01:11:25):
Have you seen specially CGI for.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Two thousands, right, like especially low budget CGI from back then.
There is what is it the one where the where
it gets hit by the fan. I assume it's some
sort of stop motion effect that they used, but I'm
not really sure. It's a very quick scene.

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
So the film was the fifth highest grossing Canadian film
of two thousand and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
One highest grossing movie in Canada or Canadian Film says
Canadian Films came.

Speaker 5 (01:11:58):
Out Canadian Film.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Oh weird.

Speaker 5 (01:12:06):
Oh, I didn't realize Lucy Lawless did the voice over
the PA system in the school.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
She did. I didn't know that either.

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
Apparently she paged for Samuel and Theodore Rami to come
to the office.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
That's fine, that's not that's not in the movie, is.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
That's what it says? One of the students paged over
the school's PA system by an uncredited Lucy Lawless are
Samuel and Theodore Ramie.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
I mean, I don't see why that trivia would be lying,
but I don't know what's happening.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
And apparently this movie did well overseas, but didn't really
catch on in the United States until HBO just started
running it all the time. Oh really kind of caught on.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
You guys have sort of an anti Canadian bias when
it comes to that. So if a film doesn't like
put a fake American flag somewhere, you guys don't want
to watch it.

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Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
All right? What does everybody watch cat shay It watch?

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Uh, well slightly more than that. So, uh, let's see.
I watched a movie called miracle mile. Have you guys
heard of this one?

Speaker 5 (01:13:44):
Heard of it? I have not seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
So it's a it's an end of the world type
of deal, you know. Basically, the bombs are coming, Oh no,
what are we gonna do? That's the plot. What makes
it interesting is that it is a essentially a romantic comedy.
So the idea is Anthony Edwards is this like traveling musician.

(01:14:08):
He's in la He has like a meet cute with
this girl and he's supposed to go like pick her
up after work so they can go on a date.
But through a series of unfortunate events, he sleeps in
and when he gets to her work, she's not there.
So he's just kind of it's like an all night diner.
So he's hanging out with this like eclectic group of
individuals who are an all light diner. He goes out

(01:14:31):
to use the payphone. It rings, so he answers it
and it's somebody warning him that the bombs are coming
and that they have Basically like I think it's like
seventy minutes until nuclear war hits, because this person is
calling from another state and that's how long it's going
to take the bombs to get there, and the rest
of the night is them reacting and very much the

(01:14:53):
way you would expect trying to like find ways out
of the city, you know, dealing with inevitably the kind
of problems that come up with that when you're like
trying to rush to get out. So they're all like
they're panicking, and certain people don't want to believe what's
going on, and all this other stuff. Just a really

(01:15:15):
interesting watch, that's all I can say. But I don't
know if it's I don't know if it's good or not,
but I know watching like he's doing the thing where
he's like, I've got to get back to my girlfriend,
but then the other people are like, well, we're going
this way, and then he has so he like jumps
out of the moving car and like steals somebody else's
car to drive back to go get her. And it's
being handled in like a sort of lighthearted fashion. But

(01:15:37):
it's lighthearted and they're waiting for nuclear bombs to drop
at the same time, which is unique and interesting. So
it held my attention very well. Again, I don't know
if I can say it's good or not, but is
I don't know, it's interesting. Let's say that it's a
it's an eighties film, so back when they were making

(01:16:01):
nuclear bomb movies on a regular basis, And I guess
somebody decided, let's see if we can add a little
bit of fun to the nuclear bomb subgenre of films.
It has like almost like in many ways, the way
a comedy film will hit the tropes. This sort of
has that where it's like he goes to he has

(01:16:23):
to try to like he steals a car, but then
he needs gas. Well, he goes to get gas, gas
stations closed, that leads to a conflict. Cops show up.
Oh no, cops got hurt. Now there's cops chasing us
as well as us trying to get past and get
away from the nuclear bombs. Right, you know, Oh, I
stole this car to get so I go pick up
my girlfriend and take her to fly out of the country.

(01:16:45):
But oh, terrible luck. The car happens to be full
of stolen stereos. Like it's like stuff like that. Yeah,
I don't know. If everything I just said makes you
want to watch a movie, you should watch this one
because you're not going to find another one that does
all this. If it sounds dumb to you, you're probably
you're technically probably correct, Like so wrote romantic comedy from

(01:17:13):
the eighties about nuclear war I'm telling you about I'm
not recommending it or recommended. Yeah, I can't recommend it,
but I can't tell you that you shouldn't watch it either.
Whatever it's, it is what it is. So I mean, like,

(01:17:35):
I don't know the psychiatrist from Terminator two or from
Terminator and Terminator two is in them is in the
diner when he gets the call? Is that interesting? And
so is the mom from pet cemetery. That's what I got.
It's such a weird movie. I don't know how to
describe it. But because it start like when it starts

(01:17:59):
off and they're doing their meet cute thing, they're out
like it's like a museum, and I'm like, why am
I watching this? Like what the hell? And then he
gets when he when the phone call comes in, and
I'm like, Okay, now we're gonna have a nuclear war
and they I kind of expected the movie to take
like a turn into being more serious now really though,

(01:18:22):
but I mean again, sometimes you know, it's the balls
of people to do things like this that impresses me.
So good for them. It's insane that you did this,
but I'm glad you did.

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
That's my response to that film.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
And the only other movie I watched this week. I
finally got to Trap, the m Night Shyamalan movie about
the dad who takes his kid to a concert. It
turns out the concert is a big trap set up
to catch a serial killer, but suppressed as he is
the serial killer. It's pretty good. Have you seen it?

Speaker 5 (01:19:07):
I haven't seen it. I have not wanted to have heard.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
It's actually pretty It's yeah, it's so a lot of
a lot of it is fun. Like all like the
thing about him being a serial killer, you know that
right away, Like they don't hide that, right. So it's
him just like cleverly trying to figure out ways around,
like how could I ever possibly get out of here?

(01:19:33):
And like how would I how would I know? How
how can I escape? And like there's fun moments where
like at one point there's like a girl that's like
drunkenly standing at the top of the steps. He kind
of knocks her down the stairs just so we can
watch how the police reacted. He's like, Okay, yeah they did.
They did not leave that that door unguarded. When that
girl failed them the stairs. That didn't work at all, right,

(01:19:55):
And there's moments like that, or like there's a moment
where he like the stage opens up and he can
see like a way to get backstage, and he's already
learned through dialogue that like theoretically you can get out
if you can make it backstage. And he gets starts like,
is daughter, what what if we snuck down there? And

(01:20:15):
she's like, Dad, we're not leaving the concert and sneaking
into the back, Like what are you talking about? And
he's like no, wouldn't it be interesting Maybe they keep
the costumes down there or something. And she's like no, no,
And so then he has to start manipulating the situation
to get her backstage, to get her like picked to
go on stage. So they end up backstage so they
can try to get out and all this stuff, and

(01:20:37):
he's trying to like turn all these people against each
other and find ways to get out without the police
snowing he's there, and stuff. Pretty interesting stuff. I will
say that there's one performance that really fucks this movie up,
and that's Michael C. Hall's performance as Dexter, because watching
Josh Harten try to do the same thing and just

(01:20:58):
not being like, oh, like you're not bad, but I
know exactly what you're trying to do, and you're not
Michael C. Hall. You're just not that good at it. Again,
he's not bad, he's just it's very much the same
like I'm smarter than you. I'm like, I can manipulate

(01:21:21):
this whole situation and control everyone in the room by
telling them the right things and stuff. And it's like
it's very similar to Dexter, but not quite He's just
not quite there. Whoever plays his daughter, she's pretty good,
Like she's you have this like teenage girl who's like
super excited, but her dad's acting all weird and that's
kind of a weird role for her to play. And

(01:21:42):
then she kind of like there's this moment where they
literally manipulate so that she ends up on stage with
the singer and she's like super excited to be up
there and the whole thing is playing out, and she
does a good job of playing like I'm fra all.
I know, she's just actually a fan of the singer whatever,
but it's so I liked it quite a bit. They

(01:22:03):
do a good job to the the scenario of being
in this stadium. Like, yes, it's not an hour and
a half long scenario, but they do a good job
of Okay, at one point they do leave and the
story continues, and that's where you get some of your
some of your unexpected twists and turns after you after
you've had your fun watching him like manipulate his way

(01:22:23):
around this stadium for a while, now we're now he's
got to get out. Once he's out, well, then what
happens and he ends up in kind of a cat
and mouse game with someone else who has figured out
who he is and who's uh trying to basically manipulate
him right back kind of thing. And that's it all.
It all works pretty well. There's kind of a big

(01:22:45):
twist at the end, but it's not like a huge,
like sixth sense type twist that changes anything. So that
I thought that last twist maybe it was a little
bit unnecessary, but it didn't ruin anything. I like the
parts where he was like it's him and this other
person going head to head kind of trying to outsmart

(01:23:06):
each other, and I enjoyed that. And then there's a
little bit of adult trying to write in social media
stuff to where she somebody uses like social media to
help save a potential victim, and it's like the way
it's done is like like, I know theoretically what you're
trying to do here, but I'm not sure if that's

(01:23:26):
exactly what it is. But I'm also an old man,
so if I wrote the scene, it would probably come
out very much like this. So yeah, overall, I don't know,
I think it works.

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
The pop star in the movie is a Shamalan's daughter. Yeah,
I've heard that this was maybe something to try to
jumpstart her singing career or something.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
I don't know sure. I mean, this came out he
made this movie that stars one of his daughters, and
he also produced a movie that was directed by one
of his daughters in the same here, So like nepotism
is alive and well.

Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
Family.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
With that having been said, he also self finances his movies,
so if he wants to do that, he can. It's
not like he's not he's not risking anybody else's money
and she's and she's not like I didn't know it
was his daughter when I started watching the movie. I
found that out after. And there's nothing wrong with her,

(01:24:28):
Like there's no reason, no point in this movie, would
you go, how the hell, like, why are they like
you're not going, oh, why would they let her sing?
Or why? Why would you know? Why is this person
in such a major role, like because they can't handle
this or anything like that. Right, So it's fine, Yeah,
but I liked the movie. I like the movie quite

(01:24:50):
a bit. I was I am like, I don't tell
anyone I said this out loud and after two thousand
and three. But I'm an night Shyamalan fan. I like
his movies, so I think he's good at this kind
of building tension. It's not dark as dark and serious
as some of his early work was, because how could

(01:25:11):
you possibly do that pop music playing in the background
and a teenage girl dancing on screen for most of
the movie. But the tension still works and all that
kind of stuff, which is what you need in a
movie like this. So it's good. The movie did mess
me up in one way that is very specific to
me that I so, I just want to hear how
this movie fucked with my brain a little bit, even

(01:25:33):
though it won't affect anybody else who watches it. Sure,
so the exteriors of this of the concert hall are
filmed in Toronto, right, and it's a place I've been
to one hundred times, and I've gone to lots. I've
been to concerts there and other events and stuff, right,
So as soon as they pull up to it, I

(01:25:54):
immediately recognize it and I'm like, Okay, that's kind of fun.
And I'm doing the thing that like where I'm like, oh,
like they've changed that sign to like rename the building,
so I'm trying to figure out, like, Okay, do they
do that digitally or do they actually hang a new side.
And I'm kind of just enjoying that I can see
this venue that I recognize, right, and they walk in
through the doors, and as soon as they're inside, I'm

(01:26:15):
like I can't process it. My brain couldn't work it.
I'm like, this feels wrong, but it also feels right,
Like it feels like this is what the inside of
a concert venue looks like, but it doesn't feel like
it's the venue they walked in. And my brain couldn't
do it. I actually had to pause the movie because
it was pulling me out of the movie and google it.
And it's because they filmed the interiors at a different

(01:26:36):
venue that I've been to, like.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
A hundred times because.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
So it's like it was just this thing in my
brain couldn't process. I'm like, this does look right, like
when you go to a concert, That's what it looks like.
And it's like, yeah, because I've been to lots of
concerts at each of these venues and it just messed
with my mind so much and I'm like, I couldn't
process it at all. It was really funny. When I
realized what it was doing to me, I'm like, Okay,
now I can just go back to enjoying the movie.

(01:27:03):
And then it is kind of funny because the two
venues are very different sizes, and like one holds twenty
thousand people and one holds fifty. So when you're like,
when you start to realize what they've done, you're like, okay,
but I don't think that would affect anyone who didn't
coincidentally go to a bunch of concerts at SkyDome or
at Cops Coliseum in Hamilton, Ontario. If you haven't been

(01:27:27):
to a bunch of concerts at both of those places,
it shouldn't be a problem. But yeah, it was just
a funny moment that's not actually the film's fault. And yeah,
that's all the movies I watched this week. Did you
watch Anygod movies?

Speaker 5 (01:27:46):
Brian, Yes, but they're movies we've already talked about. I
woke up that's fine Sunday and Cindy was watching the
last part of Centers, so sat down and enjoyed that,
and then we watched Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
I still haven't seen that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:04):
It's your own fault for not watching good movies. And
then after that we watched Fantastic Four because she hadn't
seen it yet. Yea, and those are the only movies
I watched.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Yeah, did she like Fantastic for since we already know
what you think of it? Did?

Speaker 5 (01:28:22):
She wasn't? It was she wasn't like in love with it.
But I asked him, like, did you like the movie?
She's like, yeah, that's good. All right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
I did my first Spirit Halloween trip this week and
my kids saw the thing costume and he wants to
me to get him that. I'm like, oh, that'd be fun.
I don't know, running around up until Halloween.

Speaker 5 (01:28:47):
It's gonna be running around yelling it's Clovering time.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
He really enjoys saying it's Clovering time. He's not that
into superhero stuff anymore, but you know, any excuse to
say it's Clovering time.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
Sure. The other thing I did watch is I watched
the four episodes of Marvel Zombies that's on Disney Plus.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Okay, it's good.

Speaker 5 (01:29:11):
It's the spin off of what If that specifically that
one episode from season one that that episode does count
in the story.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Then you need to go back and watch that episode.

Speaker 5 (01:29:23):
It wouldn't hurt. But yeah, I don't know, there's Marvel
superheroes that are zombies and what happens. If you're into
that kind of stuff, then it's definitely worth a watch.
It wasn't like the best thing I've ever seen, but
I always do enjoy alternate takes on superheroes, so I

(01:29:44):
had a good time with it. But you know, if
you like the what If series, you probably enjoy it.
If not, then I may not like it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
Did they did they have a zombie Hulk bite off?

Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
They did not whole cut of very specific part to
play in the series, and I can't tell you what
it is without spoiling some stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
So is that the whole run of it?

Speaker 5 (01:30:12):
Or four episodes that's at four party they're each about
half an hour watch length of a movie, but the
length of a movie.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
My intention was to watch it. I just haven't got
around to it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:24):
Yeah, so yeah, it's worth it. It's worth a watch.
I'm just surprised by some of the people that did
get to come back to do the voice of their characters,
because i mean, like, they got that Randall Park guy
to play the FBI guy from ant Man, and it's like, yeah,
that makes sense. Of course, the guy that played Shaun

(01:30:47):
Chi sure, of course, why not? The girl from MS
Marvel and the girl from the Ironheart Sere He's why not?
But of course like Thor, like Chris Hemsworth did not
come back to do it, and uh Folk doesn't have

(01:31:11):
any lines, so we don't get any Mark Ruffalo stuff.
But like Elizabeth Olsen came back to do Wanda, and
of everybody, the one, the one that surprised me the
most was Paul Rudd comes back to voice his decapitated
head that's in a jar, And I'm like, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
That doesn't surprise me at all.

Speaker 5 (01:31:32):
I'm just like, Paul Rudd, you got better stuff to do.
Why are you doing this?

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
Do you do you feel like Paul Rudd got famous
by accident and now he's just like kind of enjoying it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:42):
Yes, he's the exact type of people you want to
become famous.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
Like I feel like with this charm and stuff, he
could have just been a could have made a fine
career of being in commercials and low budget movies or something.
But somehow he got huge and now he's in marble
stuff and it's just like, I don't think he really
I don't think he understands who he is. You guys
need me to come back and do a voice of course,

(01:32:08):
and they're like, but you know you're Paul Rudd. Now though, right,
you don't have to do these things anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
What do you mean, No, it'll be great.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
That's just how he comes to cross. It could mean
that he's like a dick and he's just good at that.

Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
From what I understand, is not he There's a horror
convention down here that takes place like here in the
Midwest called Horrorhound Weekend. One year they did a thing
and it was before they did the new trio of
Halloween movies. But Jamie Lee Curtis agreed to come to

(01:32:45):
a like special like they set it up just for her.
They had already had the convention for the year. She
decided to come and this was the only time she
was going to do a convention and sign autographs at
least up to this point. And she's like, I'm doing it,
and they were donating all of the money to charity afterwards,
which is how they agreed to get her to do
it so later for one of their other like regular ones.

(01:33:12):
They actually approached Paul Rudd to see if he would
do it for Halloween six and he signed up immediately
and was super excited about it. Unfortunately, he did have
to cancel because it ended up conflicting with something in
his schedule, but he was like on board, and he's like,
I can't believe people would show up for this, but sure,
but they were going to donate a bunch of the

(01:33:33):
money to charity or whatever. So I'm just like that
seems really cool that he would be like, oh, that
movie that is terrible and everybody kind of makes fun
of it. Is weird that by the fact that I'm
in it, sure, I'll show up to convention to sign
autographs for it. Why not?

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, because I don't know, I
don't know. It bugs me how much some people take
their fame seriously.

Speaker 5 (01:33:56):
Yeah, I don't think he does.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
You guys know it's a joke, right, you're not actually
accomplishing anything.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Here's a brief glimpse of some of the truly fine
pictures we schedules in the near future.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
Next week, we are continuing on with our vampires versus
wear Wolves. We're not really going too far out of
the franchises. So we're doing the sequel Dracula two. Does
it have some sort of subtitle sension? Is that what
it is? Yeah, we're doing So it's weird to go

(01:34:30):
from Dracula two thousand to Dracula two, but sure.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
Yeah, I just don't think you could do Dracula two
thousand and two. It sounds too weird. Nobody would know
how to write it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:46):
Yeah, and then we're teaming that up with Ginger Snaps
Back or Ginger Snaps Unleashed Unleashed.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
Yeah, just steps back as the third one, which is.

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
A prequel third one. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, so I'm excited.
I haven't seen Ginger Snaps Unleashed, so I see either
one of the sequels.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
I think you're gonna really like Unleashed. Yeah, I personally
think it's one of the it's one of the best
sequels I've ever seen. It's just it keeps the characters
alive while at the same time telling a whole new
story in any unique way, and I really enjoy it.
But we'll see nice.

Speaker 5 (01:35:30):
Dracula two I remember renting, I know I've seen it.
I remember absolutely nothing that happened to it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
I remember really liking it, but I also have not
seen it in a long time.

Speaker 5 (01:35:41):
So you also like Dracula two thousand.

Speaker 4 (01:35:44):
So it was it was very unfortunate that I did
not have more spare time because whenever I was watching
Dracula two thousand in the search Cube, the next thing
was Dracula did and loving it, And I was like, I've.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
Never seen that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
Actually, rathberry Is, We're not having rathberry Is today. I've
seen that movie yet I've never seen it.

Speaker 5 (01:36:13):
I kind of fell off the Leslie Nielsen train.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
That is mad.

Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
That is fucking madness to me that first of all,
it's Leslie Nielsen, which means it's fucking delightful into its Dracula.
Goddamn it, what was.

Speaker 5 (01:36:27):
The last one, Joh, We're going to be going to
the Leslie Nielsen.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
I don't. To be honest, there's very little Leslie Nielsen
that I've seen.

Speaker 5 (01:36:39):
I've seen the Airplane movies. Of course, the Naked Gun
movies makes complete sense. Just listening to a podcast last
week where Bill Hayter was talking about Airplane and just
about how genius that movie is and how like they
hired a bunch of people who got the joke, which
is to play straight, just let it play out rather

(01:37:04):
than trying to be all in goofy about it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Yeah. I remember having like arguments in high school with
people about Leslie Nilson because you'd bring him up and
people our age kind of only know him from comedy
movies and you want to be like, yeah, but no,
that the whole thing is that he's this classically trained,
like very good stage actor and stuff, which is why

(01:37:31):
he's so fucking funny, you know what I mean, because
he could he just delivers these insane fucking things without blinking.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
You Know what's interesting is I only know him as
a comedy actor, but I think I've seen him in
more non comedy roles. My predominant knowledge of him is
from low budget horror movies from the late seventies and
early eighties. Yeah, that's what I've seen him in. But
if anybody asks me, I'd be like, no, No, he's
like that comedy guy that does those comedy movies that

(01:38:00):
I've never seen.

Speaker 5 (01:38:03):
The weird thing is, I think I don't think I've
seen him in anything after Naked gunn thirty three and
a third I've never seen.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
I think the only one of his comedies I ever
saw was Airplane.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
Here's the problem, you guys. You're forcing me to put
Leslie Nilsen movies on the list, but now they're comedy
movies that are way out of fucking date, and you
guys are gonna be like, there's not funny.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
I know he was in Slapshot three. That's weird.

Speaker 5 (01:38:36):
I do like that he did Airplane and then did
prom Night, which I can reality forgot he was said,
and then did a bunch of other stuff and then
showed up in Creep Show and then immediately went from
Creep Show into Police Squad.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
Police Squad.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
I've never seen Police Squad. I've never seen most of
what he said.

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
I mean, the trick is Dracula Dead and Loving. It
is a pretty straight forward parody of uh bram Stokers Dracula.
I mean, like it's pretty go on the nose and
the god damn it, what's the fucking don't look at
the Vigo actor. Uh, damn it. What the fuck is

(01:39:21):
his name? Little squarely, short haired blonde guy. You know,
you guys know who I'm talking about. Don't look at
the Vego for Ghostbusters too.

Speaker 5 (01:39:31):
Like I know that guy's name.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
Oh I don't know that actor's name. Yeah, I know
now that you've told me that who you're talking about.
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
He's he's Wrienfield and very funny.

Speaker 5 (01:39:44):
It doesn't actually he doesn't actually have an accent either,
which floored me the first time I saw him after Ghostbusters.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
Two mm hmm. Maybe I should we should do we
should do a totally not Dracula week with Dracula dead
loving it and a Vampire in Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
I've never seen Vampire and Brooklyn either.

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
It's not great.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
I think that when I that what I didn't see, Like,
you know, there's movies I haven't seen, and there's movies
I didn't see. I think Vampire and Brooklyn I didn't
see see.

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
I think my opinion of it is that I do
not think that it is as bad as a movie
as people treat it like it is.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
That sounds an awful lot like.

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
You making No No. I I legitimately think that it's okay,
it's it's just it's a movie that it was a
victim of them trying to do something at the time
that very much was not in vogue. I mean, essentially,
they were making a blaxploitation movie in fucking what the

(01:40:53):
late nineties, early two thousands.

Speaker 5 (01:40:56):
Well, let's not say they. Let's uh, because I did
a video for Joe Blow on this movie and found
out that most of the problems on that movie come
from Eddie Murphy because Wes Craven. Wes Craven I have
guessed that Wes Craven directed it, and he sometimes can

(01:41:17):
make good movies. Early nineties sometimes can be a little questionable.
But yeah, apparently Eddie Murphy was in this weird phase
where he's like, I don't want to be funny, and
Wes Craven is like, but there's like, you're playing like
three characters in this movie, and one of them is
like an evangelical preacher. Like that's inherently a funny scene.

(01:41:39):
I don't know what you're talking about that you don't
want to do comedy in this movie, and then so
they butted heads. And then, of course Eddie Murphy, this
was like the last movie on his contract and he
just wanted to get it out of the way so
he could go do The Nutty Professor for Paramount. So
he put in minimal effort whenever he could.

Speaker 4 (01:41:58):
I mean in which listen, he made a lot of
fucking money with it that he Professor, so he can't
really say that he was incorrect, but.

Speaker 5 (01:42:09):
He just pulled a bunch of like movie star bullshit
on it. Like sure, he lived like an hour from set,
and they would all be sitting around and waiting for
him to show up so he could get into makeup
to do the movie. And he would call and be like, oh, yeah, yeah,
I'm just now leaving my house, and they're like, god,
damn it, We've been set up so that we could

(01:42:29):
have started filming like two hours ago. Why is he
just now leaving. So it's a bunch of people just
sit around doing nothing because he just didn't feel like
leaving his house. Yet, there's lots of talk that he
was maybe smoking a lot of crack and was holed
up in his trailer and didn't want to come out
a lot so good times.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
I don't I don't recall accusations of him smoking.

Speaker 5 (01:42:52):
Crack but may have been PCP, I don't know, is.

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
An interesting one one. Like cocaine is the comedian drug
of choice, doing PCP is a very different vibe.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
I only know that PCP allows you to have the
strength to punch through a windshield and not feel it
for hours, according to the police and terminator, So that
seeks into my knowledge on that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
I mean, the most exciting thing it does is that
can cause dissociation, which is pretty.

Speaker 5 (01:43:27):
Freaky, which doesn't sound like any Murphy at all. Yeah,
there's too much trivia to try to figure that out. Yeah. No,
I'm not saying I wouldn't watch it again. I'm just
saying this, there's a lot of problems with that movie,
and it sounds like Eddie Murphy was like the problems.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
Let's just not put that on the list.

Speaker 4 (01:43:52):
Yeah, I think it's going on the list. Like I said,
it's going on, and it's going on there with Leslie
no sense of tracking with and loving it because that's
a rape Parry.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
I just don't know that it's necessary for us to
watch those or anything interesting to talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
If we do it is it is not necessary for
you to watch them. I want to watch them.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
Right ahead. There's nothing wrong with you going ahead and
watching those.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
I only have time to watch like two movies a week,
so I gotta you guys into my schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
Listen, we will work it out one week where we
will let you miss the podcast so you can just
watch those twoskies.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
Maybe maybe I should Maybe we should do Bram Stoker's
Dracula and Dracula Didn't Loving It, just so that you
guys immediately see the film and then the parody.

Speaker 5 (01:44:48):
Of film in a row we've already done.

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
The humor is fresh. I'll make you watch it again.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
No, not how this works.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
Listen. You can say, you can say we can't watch
it twice, but then we can never watch Chopping Mall again.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
That's not true. There's a shopping Mall exception written in
charter for the founding documents.

Speaker 5 (01:45:11):
In this podcast. We could do Young Frankenstein and Dracula
Dead and Loving It.

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
I do actually want to see Young Frankenstein's an, the
one I've.

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
Never sat see. Unfortunately, I think we cannot we cannot
beare those two. Why, uh, Well, because here's the thing,
Dragonla Dead Loving It is a funny, fun movie. Young
Frankenstein is one of the most brilliant comedy movies ever
fucking made. Putting them together his hands, stringing Leslie Nilsen.

Speaker 5 (01:45:46):
I like that. Noah just glossed over the fact that
Doug has just said he's never seen Young Frankenstein before.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
Yeah. I haven't seen it, so it's.

Speaker 4 (01:45:55):
A fucking It's just the weirdest Scott damn thing I've
ever heard done.

Speaker 5 (01:46:00):
Considering how much you love Frankenstein, the Frankenstein story, I
am shocked that you have never seen it, because it's
actually pretty good. I know, but it's actually a pretty
good Frankenstein's story comedy aside.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
Well, I accept that as true, but no, let us
put it on the list so I'll never know.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
Let's say we can't put it on the list. I'm
saying we can't bear it with that bucket with the
other movie.

Speaker 5 (01:46:32):
Speaking of Frankenstein, did you see the trailer for The
Bride this week? Doug?

Speaker 3 (01:46:36):
I have not watched it yet.

Speaker 5 (01:46:39):
Are you interested in watching it? I?

Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
I mean, yeah, maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:46:46):
Is this the Creature Commandos spin off or they do
in Just a Bread.

Speaker 5 (01:46:50):
This is the Maggie Hall This is the Maggie Jillen
Hall directed Bride of Frankenstein, which.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
Is an interesting idea. When you say that, I'm like, yeah,
that sounds interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:47:01):
But yeah, and it has Christian Christian Bale as the
Frankenstein's monster in it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
Like, I'm probably going to see that, right.

Speaker 5 (01:47:10):
I mean he should. The trailer looks really good. Yeah,
it takes it in transport.

Speaker 4 (01:47:16):
Makes me nervous every once in a while, but well.

Speaker 5 (01:47:20):
He's about the mild probably Yeah, probably killed a bunch
of people and stole our body parts.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
So yeah, yeah, he's like he had his own arms
removed and other people's arms sewn on. Yes, somehow he's
going to reverse the process for his next role.

Speaker 5 (01:47:34):
Yeah. Well they took they took the story and said
it in nineteen twenty like in the nineteen twenties. And
I am very interested. The trailer looks really good. I'm
excited for it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
I'm starting to get excited for it now too. But
my problem is it's overshadowed by Del Toros Frankenstein, which
I just found out comes out in November, which I
thought with Kim was coming out this month.

Speaker 5 (01:48:00):
So stupid to put it in November when it's October.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
They want to want to make sure that people understand
it's not a horror film, and all indications from like
early screenings are that it is not a horror film.
It is a gothic drama, which is technically what it
should be, so which is true.

Speaker 5 (01:48:20):
And des had this issue before with Crimson Peak. Yeah,
told them, told the studio up and down, do not
market this as a horror film. They immediately were like
the new horror film from Gilo And He's like, god
damn it, what did I tell you?

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
Yeah, sex tabs.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
But I think they're like, I think the problem is
most people think Frankenstein is a horror story about a monster.
Like the average person still doesn't understand.

Speaker 4 (01:48:48):
Like, well, I mean it is. It is a horror
story about a monster, but it's about a monster who
makes a man.

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
Yes, very clever enough.

Speaker 5 (01:48:59):
Well, I mean it's through.

Speaker 4 (01:49:00):
I mean that's not clever. That is the fucking analysis
of the god damn book.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
Anyways. Yeah, so I don't know, I'm like, I'm actively avoiding,
like I think they're supposed to be trailers coming out
today or tomorrow kind of thing for del Toro's movie,
and I'm avoiding those so because I don't need those.

Speaker 5 (01:49:24):
There's been trailers already. I remember watching it and being like, yeah,
that's good. I don't have Netflix, so I'll have to
find somebody to steal it for me.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
But when he made his own, when he made that
Pinocchio movie, they put that in theaters a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:49:38):
Yeah, I actually have that on Blu ray because Criterion
put it out after I still haven't watched it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
I've been trying to get rid of my Netflix, but
they keep doing things like hiring gimbl del Toro to
make a Frankenstein movie. I was going to cancel it,
and then I'm like, oh, I kind of want to
watch that Ed Dean series that's coming out, and then
I'm like, okay, Like a week after that Ed Dean
series is like fucking del Toro's thing, and I'm like,
all right, I'm just gonna keep Netflix for a while.

Speaker 5 (01:50:05):
I guess it's wraw, man.

Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
My Netflix is so fucking cheap that I just couldn't
imagine dropping it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
Do you have like the way of it?

Speaker 5 (01:50:19):
Do what do you have like the lowest absolute lowest
tier with all the commercials.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
Yes, okay, well that and it's in a bundle for
like what is it. I think it's twelve dollars a month.
I get Netflix, Paramount Plus and Apple TV. I think
for twelve dollars a month, it's like nothing, and that's
enough entertainment to keep me fucking vegged out forever.

Speaker 5 (01:50:47):
Well, mine was getting up to like eighteen dollars a
month and I was like, fuck Netflix, something got rid
of it. I haven't really missed it that much.

Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
Yeah, I have. I have six. It's something like six
streaming things in two bundles, and it's less than thirty
dollars a month, which is just I mean, I couldn't
fucking have cable for that shit.

Speaker 5 (01:51:09):
Wow. Only one I still have is Disney Plus, and
that was because I paid for a full year and
forgot to turn off my renewing thing.

Speaker 4 (01:51:19):
So I'm stucking to get it for another year.

Speaker 5 (01:51:21):
So I'm stuck with it till like April.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
That's I'm right now kind of playing Disney Roulette where
I'm like I'm either renewing for another year or I'm canceling,
depending on if I get the shows I want to
Watch Watch before my renewal date Hits.

Speaker 4 (01:51:37):
I have found that I am watching less and less
and less at Disney Plus, like because even the things
that I should be excited for, I just assume they're
going to fuck them up and then I don't end
up watching them.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
Yeah, I don't know. I've been less and less impressed.
But it also has a lot of the shows on
it that I just do my or my comfort watches,
so having immediate access to those is convenient.

Speaker 4 (01:52:04):
Sure, I mean I still haven't finished and Or. I
know people love it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:09):
I watched one episode of season two and never went
back to it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
I mean really kind of, I feel like most of
the Star Wars stuff has been not great.

Speaker 5 (01:52:19):
I enjoyed Skeleton Group.

Speaker 4 (01:52:21):
Yeah, I never even watched Skeleton Group because I was.

Speaker 3 (01:52:24):
Like, nah, I mean, like the thing about the Star
Wars stuff and I don't know, like I feel like
I've said this before, but it's like they're doing different things.
So like Brian liked Skeleton Crew, do is I mean
everybody's going to know I did too. I like Skeleton
Crew and and Or, but I can completely understand why
somebody would who likes one would be incapable of liking

(01:52:44):
the other because they're so different even though they're set
in the same universe.

Speaker 4 (01:52:47):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like the weird thing is I
feel like I should like and or more than I
like it. But maybe it's because I think it's they
gave me so much bad Star Wars that now I'm
having a hard time in doing good Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
See, I'm at the point where because Rise of Skywalker
was so bad that I'm like, my expectations are dropped
where I'm like, it's going to be better than that,
and I mean it is, because how could it possibly
not be right? So, like Rise of Skywalker really like
destroyed the specialness of Star Wars for me. Now it's like, well,
it's just a new season of a show.

Speaker 5 (01:53:23):
Someone once told me that they last Jedi and then
when Rise of Skywalker came out to like see they
fixed it, and I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 4 (01:53:35):
Well, atrocious, So here's here's the problem. Uh, they're both trash.
So like that's that's the issue, is fucking they both suck.
They both suck. They neither one improved on the other.
They both fucking suck.

Speaker 3 (01:53:51):
No, at least at least the last Jedi is competent filmmaking.
It's not.

Speaker 4 (01:54:01):
You can say that is fucking trash. I don't know.
It's just bad. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
You can't look, you can, you cannot like it. But
it's not. Oh, we found this knife, and this ship
that was completely destroyed in the space is conveniently here,
and if we hold this knife up, it lines up
perfectly with this thing. It's not somehow Palpatine returned. It's
not that. Okay, again, you don't have to like it,
but it's not. It's not we're going to bring back

(01:54:27):
a dead character by yelling. Somehow he returned into the
camera and asking the audience to shut up and take.

Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
It, so I suppose, but they also did. Luke magically
projects himself across everything and fights another forced sensitive person
without them noticing that he's not actually there.

Speaker 3 (01:54:48):
I mean, the Force's magic. You can use magic.

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
Sure that. Like, it's just trash. I don't it gets fine. Like,
I hope people, I really honest to God, I hope
there are people allowed who fucking love those movies because.

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
The garbage all right, No, I will not anybody who
says that they love the Rise of Skywalker, like that's
it the throat of my life, Like they can't.

Speaker 5 (01:55:15):
It's just it's just no time for that nonsense.

Speaker 3 (01:55:19):
Last Jedi. We can agree and disagree on it, and
we can have a more in depth discussion on like
what if there's certain elements of the films you like
other than others, and some of it's just gonna be
personal opinion. But there is a difference between there's a
difference between what they inflicted on us with the Rise
of Skywalker and the problems that exist with the Last Jedi.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
I mean, although we're in definitely a very different company,
and the fact that I think I lost my patience
with Star Wars like halfway through the Phantom Menace, Like
that's that's how long ago I went. They've they've just
stopped giving a shit about Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (01:55:58):
I get, well, okay, I don't know. I I was
defending the prequels back when they were new and in theaters, so.

Speaker 4 (01:56:11):
A lot of people were a lot of people still
defend them to this day. I personally think that those
people are fucking wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
To argue that they didn't care. I mean, there's obviously
a lot of time and effort when into those movies
calling and not caring is absurd.

Speaker 4 (01:56:26):
I mean, I they didn't care about making them good.
I think they cared about making money.

Speaker 5 (01:56:33):
That's I think.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
Come on, I.

Speaker 5 (01:56:36):
Think George Lucas's idea of good and probably anybody else's
idea of good two different things.

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
There's there's a big difference between you not agreeing with
the decisions they made and I like, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:56:51):
Down the show, Brian, Well, now I just called George
Lucas a cut. You know what all that means? Instent
time for the show.

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