Return Of The Living Dead Part II & Friday The 13th Part 6: Jason Lives

We take a look at two Thom Mathews films for this week’s episodes. First up, he returns to the Return Of The Living Dead franchise in RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD PART II and finds out if he indeed does like this job. Then, he accidentally brings Jason back to life in FRIDAY THE 13th PART 6: JASON LIVES and becomes responsible for all the deaths that follow in all the sequels.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 3 (00:55):
Dog. I think we're getting super close to a civil war,
and I play along, crossing the border, coming to live
at your house.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
I'm at the point where I'm like, if they have
a civil war, they won't invade us. So I'm like,
it's kind of like, do I want to be you
want to be invader? Do we want to deal with
the refugee problem? Which are we looking forward to?

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Anybody do anything fun? This week.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
Yeah, two, do you guys watch a drop out at all?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:22):
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
I never heard of it. It is the what college
humor turned into. They do a bunch of like TV
shows that are like streaming only kind of things, all right.
One of the shows they do is called Smarty Pants,
where a bunch of people sit around and you give

(01:44):
PowerPoint presentations about things. And usually they were like unhinged
and very funny, you know what I mean, Like somebody
will give a twenty minute PowerPoint on is a hot
dog sandwich and scream at everybody that that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
I mean, it's an interesting debit.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
It's a very good show. Like one of the first
topics was somebody pitching how grocery stores could be made
better by standardizing them, so every grocery store is arranged
the same way so that everyone's not getting lost and
they're not rearranging the shelves. And basically they came up
with the chewy decipel system where everything could be arranged

(02:25):
like a library. You would know exactly where it was
because you know what the food coat is for the
thing that you need.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I p I would help.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
No, but that kind of stuff. But we had a
party at my friend's house that was basically themed around that,
and I did a PowerPoint presentation that was essentially Disney
should give me the rights to the Muppets to make
new Muppets.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
I mean, I would be open for them just about
giving anybody the Muppets at this point, except for themselves,
because I do shit. Wellthough, there's rumors seth Rogen is
trying to do a new Muppet show.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Just Muppets high as fuck that could be the name
of it.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
Actually, hold on, I'm gonna I'm gonna upload some of
my movie posters free guys.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Oh no, well, while you're doing that, I went to
a horror convention that was ten minutes from my house,
which is the best feeling. I have to drive multiple
hours to go to a horror convention. Most prize possession
is I bought a copy of the Chopping Mall soundtrack,

(03:42):
which made me very happy.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, I can understand how that would make you happy.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
All right, let's see Noah sent one for Gonzo versus
the Army of Muppets.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Nice, that's lazy titling. I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
The fastest and the fuzziest. No, I'm not that street
racing movie.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
That's gonna lead to more people watching fast and furious movies.
I'm against the muppets blood Sport. See now we're getting somewhere.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
The Sword of Sweetams.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
I don't think Sweetems is really a lead character. I'm
not sure if you should be getting his own movie.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
Part of my speech was about the fact that a
bunch of the Muppets never get the respect they deserve,
and that more Muppets need to take the lead.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Sam the Eagle is the man with no name and
a fist full of Muppets.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
How great is that fucking movie? Poster?

Speaker 3 (04:39):
A poster? I think that is the same argument, though
I don't know if I would watch a full movie
with Sam the Eagle.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Would you watch a full movie with Sam the Eagle?
That is a fist full of dollars? He's's shooting to
ever a living fuck out of people through the whole movie.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Maybe I feel like what you're proposing are like skits
for a Muppet Show Are You Show, and not necessarily
full length movies.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
No full movies full on remakes, although part of the
joke was all of these are kind of reboots of
different things, except for the Fastest and the Fuzziest, which
is just a direct sequel to the Fast and the
Furious movies, because it's no less ridiculous than any of
the movies.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
I still propose the Princess Bride remake done with muppets.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
That's yeah, that would be due.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
And make like, uh, is it the man with six fingers?
He's like the only human in the whole thing? Or
do we put Carry Always back in and he's the
only human throughout the entire thing?

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Harry Always is too old for the role.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Now, I I feel like, if you're bringing back any
human actor, it should be Mandy Patanken.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, I do you agree with Doug though he might
be too old for that role.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Recreate Andre the Giant, put him in, that's what you do.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
I was gonna say, you don't have him play that role,
though you have, like, uh, Mandy Patinkin play like the
the creepy water torture guy or something.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Doug. The problem with yours is Swedams obviously plays there
the giant role in that movie.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
YEA, Listen, I have come down on Sweets already. We've
already established.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
That he's not one of the lead roles.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Sport is too much.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Yeah, listen, what muppet are you putting in the lead
of a Koonan movie. I'm because it's Sweetam's That is
the answer. There is no other answer.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
And you know that the lead is going to be
Kermit because there's a lot of politics in the Muppets universe.
He's going to get the lead in all of these
It's not gonna matter.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Well, that was also part of the presentation I gave.
I said the first because part of my speech was
the entire pitch for the movie blood Sport with the Muppets,
and I said, Kermit has to be the lead because
it's the first movie and it's the only way I
would ever get the rights to anything. AND's be like, yeah,
we're gonna make a bunch of money.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Kermit's going to be the lead.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
And then the second they give me the rights, I'm like, Okay,
fuck it, Gonzo.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
It sounds like the nerdiest thing you've done yet. Noah,
And that's saying a lot.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Hey, it was really fun. It was a very fun speech.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Oh so I'm not arguing this one.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
I'm saying you didn't have fun. I'm just saying it's
the nerdiest thing you've done yet. I think it was
last week or the week before where you were discussing
the Renaissance Fair, and now you've found a way to
nerd yourself.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
Listen, let me talk out a couple months that I'm
existing in right now. So went to Renaissance Fair, then
made a PowerPoint presentation for a party, which fuck like,
I'm in the process of planning and executing not one
but two murder mystery dinners like my life.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Slow your rock and roll lifestyle down.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
There now, Yeah, my life is a dork to an extreme.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Well, I mean, I got to write an article about
cult classic movies for Joe Blow. It was a lot
of fun.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
That's fun.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Either one of you helped me out when I asked
for something.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
I got to leave work early today because my kid's
stepped in glass at school.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Jesus Christ. Is he all right?

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah? All right. I used the classic parenting technique of
bring them home, put a band aid on it, wait
a while, and then be like, does it hurt too
much to go to football?

Speaker 2 (08:56):
No?

Speaker 4 (08:56):
I can still go. All right, Then it's not that Bud,
I don't have to deal it anymore.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
That's funny. Should have been like kickbox there where you
wrap the gloves up, you put him in the glass,
and then you fight the guy.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, well, I mean yeah, I guess you have broken
glass anyway.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, all right, I don't know, seguay. This week we're
talking about Tom Matthews movies.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
We're talking about so we're talking about one movie where
he was in the original and now he shows up
in the next one playing a completely different character, and
another one where he's taking over the role of a
character that's carried forward, but he's jumping into takeover. So
it's a little it's interesting that way.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Do you want to tell us dog, Do you want
to tell us about returning to Well, all right, he's
so angry. Do you want to tell us thirty five sections?

Speaker 4 (10:01):
No? No, no, let's get let's get them out of the
way in the proper order so we can end on
a high note. But yeah, I don't return. So turn
Living Dead too is I guess it's a parody of
Return of the Living Dead Jesus Christ, in which a
fucking like some of the gas spills in this area

(10:25):
and Tom Matthews and the other guy from the original
movie show up as completely different characters. Yeah, James show
up as different characters, this time their Grave robbers, but
they breathe in some of the fumes because of the
spill the toxins. And then they team up with some
other people and they're running around them hiding from the air.
Quote zombies the whole time.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
But you know, at some point someone says, you better
watch your tongue if you like this job, and then
Tom Matthews says, like this job.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah. There's there's several direct references to the first film,
like that. There's a moment where Tom Matthews is like, wait,
haven't we done this before? Because of how clever that
joke is. For some reason, the only guy that's the
same character from the last movie is the military guy
that they call when they the guy they get on
the phone when they dial like the number from the

(11:14):
side of the container.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Not this again.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
This film, by the way, is a horror film directed
by a guy who did not want to make horror films,
based on a script that he was not supposed to
be part of the Return of the Living Dead series.
But they're like, we'll only finance this if you find
a way to make it part of this series. The
special effects aren't very good.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
No. See, I would say that's probably my one thing.
I'm not complaining all that much about it.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
It's hit or miss because there's times where it's good
and there's other times where, like, they're wearing a mask
and it's so loose fitting that when they like press
up against a wall or something, it moves like it
you know how like when you're wearing loose clothing and
you brush up against something and it like pulls it
tight against you. It does that, but with masks that
are supposed to be these people's actual skin, and you're like,

(12:09):
you can't just edit that shot out if it looks
that bad, because my god, you can't have that in
your finished product.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah. So yeah, Kim wead Or Horn directed this. Yeh
directed Shockwaves, which is a decent enough of Nazi zombie. Yeah,
it's not like great, but it's it's all right. He
directed The Eyes of a Stranger, which is a slasher
movie I really like. He directed and beat Balls Part two.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah. So what happened is I think you wanted out
of the horror genre and couldn't get jobs outside the
horror genre. So I was trying to do like a
horror comedy.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
He made two horror movies and then was like, you
know what, I'm done. I'm done with the horror.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Well, and that was back in the day. It was
pretty common for people to start in horror and then
try to use that to get into making whatever they
actually wanted to make. Really sure why that is, but
you know.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
Because they have bad taste in movies.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
But isn't it? Can we just why the fuck is
this a parody instead of a sequel?

Speaker 5 (13:11):
I don't know what is How is it? Is it
a parody?

Speaker 4 (13:14):
I feel love? Oh?

Speaker 5 (13:17):
You know what it feels like to me is that
they It's almost like the difference between Evil Dead and
Evil Dead two, where I don't know. It almost feels
like they looked at the audience and they went, I
don't think the audience got that the first one is
a horror comedy, so we need to make this one
more of a comedy.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
No, I don't think so, because then you wouldn't have
the breaking the fourth wall moments and the repeating of
dialogue and stuff like that. You wouldn't have the returning
actors in different roles like all that to me is parody.
Stuff like this. If this movie had come out in
the two thousands, it would be called like not another
Return of the Living Dead movie, it's.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
Sure, but it wouldn't have any of the same actors.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Because because because like that, Like that's something you would
do if you're making a parody of a movie, bringing
back an actor from that movie and having him do
some of the same things from that previous movie. That's
something you do in a parody film. But that's generally
not something that happens three years after the other movie
came out, when the guy still looks the same age
as he did in the previous movie, you know what

(14:19):
I mean. Like it's only it's such a quick turnaround,
and it's like, I don't like because some of this
stuff in this movie might be funny if this weren't
a Return of the Living Dead movie, like some of
the like some of the zombie stuff where they're like
shooting him, like he stabs the one zombie in the head,
and like it doesn't die, and he's like, get that
fucking screwdriver out of my head. And it's like, maybe

(14:41):
that's funny if I'm not mad at your movie by
the time it happens. Does that make sense? Like I
mean I get that.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
I get you guys's complaints about the movie. I I
feel like I may have softened on this a little
bit on this watch because I was like, you know what,
if I knew it.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Too, I I said there watching it, I'm like, Noah's
gonna end up liking this movie, well because.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
It's terrible and he likes terrible things.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
Well, No, I remember not liking it at all, and
watching it this time, I was like, oh, this is
nowhere near as bad as I remember it, being like,
I'm not saying it's good. Like, if you're gonna watch
a Return of the Living Dead movie, watch the first one.
But I feel like, if you like cheesy, goovy door
movie shit, then no, see I don't then watch.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
It like I don't like, I will grant you that
there are moments where the cheesy horror movie shit works.
There's the best moment in this whole movie is they're
in the basement of a hospital and somebody shoots a
zombie in half, and the legs are still walking around
with like a spinal column sticking out, but they don't
know how to walk because they can't legs don't have ice,
so they keep walking in the walls and stuff, and

(15:48):
like that's pretty good. I'll take that as a good joke.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Which apparently that scene is what got the movie in
our rating.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, that's what I read on IMVB. But I mean,
so much of the movie is is.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Just going to say there's pad jokes biting brains out
of people's head, Yeah, but not really there.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Isn't definitely not compared to last.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Movie, Like there's nothing. There's no like when they do
bite heads, it's literally like they're biting some and their
actor in the head and they don't ever like show
the skin break and like brain's coming out and stuff,
which is part of the problem because if you're doing
like a horror comedy, you need that kind of gross
out element that they just don't have in this movie.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Really.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
But again, like like jokes, like when they fucking they
do they recreate they like the zombies get on like
this the CB and be like come to hospital and
then like but then they have the old guy who's like, aha,
I'm clever in this. He asks the zombie who the
President of the United States is, and it I guess
gives the wrong answer, and then it's like does that
like is that funny. Does anybody find that funny? I

(16:49):
don't know.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
I thought it right, And.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Like there's like this stupid moment that the old guy
that they meet up with and they take his car
and now he's part of their little crew running around.
There's like a kid and his babysitter, and like the
TV repairman that happens to be there hitting on the babysitter,
and then there's the two grave robbers, and then there's
this old guy. And the old guy just keeps going
like I kind of want to drink, and I'm like, yeah,

(17:16):
the whole world's falling apart. Have a fucking drink. What
are we? What's going on? And then like and there's
no like, there's no backstory where he's an alcoholic and
oh if he has a drink, it's gonna ruin our
big plan. It's just a guy every now and again
going oh, maybe we should have a cocktail. And then
everyone looks at him and then they don't have a cocktail,
and I'm like, well, you just get the guy a
fucking drink. I mean, let him have one. What's the

(17:38):
problem he's not driving? Like who cares?

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Apparently the more atician from the first one auditioned for
that role and did not get.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
It, which is hilarious to me. It's my favorite factoid
about this movie is the idea that you two actors
from the previous film came but apparently they had them
auditioning and you guys have great chemistry. Have you guys
worked together before? Yeah, the first movie Asshole?

Speaker 5 (18:01):
Do you think do you think it was? Actually he
came in and they were like, wasn't there some references
to you being in Nazi? It was the character, Well
that's what I'm saying. They were like, maybe not that one.
Maybe maybe we don't bring that one.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Peck. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
I don't think anybody ever cared about him being I
suppose a Nazi.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
No, I don't think he cared about him period.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
The one person who is also in this movie, who
apparently is also in the third one, so we'll see
him next week as well, is the course Brian Peck
was in this movie. Who was the taxi driver Punk
from the last movie, The Mohawk and the trench Coat.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Oh, who is he in this movie?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Apparently he plays some of the zombies he's like and
he's the one who molested children later on, when he
worked in Nickelodeon. So great he gets to ruin three
movies in this franchise for me, motherfucker.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Well, I'm glad you brought that up. That wasn't in
my list of complaints about the movie, but I sorry.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
The biggest complaint about people coming back.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, my biggest complaint about the movie is not the
people coming back. It's not the people who didn't come back.
It's not even the now that I know there's a
child molester and I didn't even know about that, But
it's my biggest complaint is that the movie just isn't funny.
And I think if it was, like they try to
do that thing where they're intentionally acting poorly and they're like,

(19:29):
won't it be funny, and that like is so hard
to pull off and almost never works, and these people
aren't talented enough to do it. And it's just like,
what a frustrating thing because we know that you can
get good performances from James Karen and Tom Matthews, who
are two of the leads, because we saw the good
performances last week in very similar roles, and it's like,

(19:50):
but you're not getting those performances this week, right, like
especially James Karen, like when after he's like turning into
a zombie because he what he breeds in the gas
or whatever. And it's like he's just so fucking annoying
in this movie. And it's like, but he but he
wasn't annoying last week, so I know he can do it,
so it's not his fault. I'm gonna have to put
the blame on the director or whatever. But he just

(20:12):
keeps like whining this whole movie, like for like a
fucking hour, and you're just like, I can't listen to
him anymore. I want to throw shit at my TV,
but I like my TV.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
It's like, I.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Feel like somebody they green lit this movie and they said,
all right, make it just like the last movie, but
make everything shittier kind of yea.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
And they went and they were like, all right, you
know what, let's add a kid d oh.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
And it's definitely like that era of kid actors who's
just like like somebody's telling him the line and then
he's then they turn on the camera he repeats it.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
I will argue that kid actor is not is not
a terrible kid actor, because we saw him the Blobbery
Make and he wasn't like super terrible.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
No, he didn't stand out as bad in that.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, So I mean again, I think the blame is
maybe Ken Wiederhorn, because this movie it's just it's everything.
It's like, okay, So the performances by the people from
the first movie are all not super great, the story
is not great, the music's not great. But from looking
it up, I did see they had to replace a

(21:26):
bunch of music video.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Yeah, I'm curious which soundtrack I even watched, because apparently, yeah,
the home video was a completely different soundtrack than the
theatrical but then in Europe it had like a third one,
and then the re releases they went back to the theatrical
one or something. So I don't even know which one
I saw. The one I saw wasn't good.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
No, I think it's that's probably probably one of it.
The special effects were not nearly as good as the
last movie, as much as Noah like some of them.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well, and in a pure comedy film that wasn't meant
to be a horror comedy, some of the special effects
would be fun to look at. Like there's like some
really bad like puppet work, Like they have one zombie
that like they tear off its jaw and it's like
teeth are still chattering, and like it doesn't look remotely
close to real. But it might be fun in like
a kid's movie or like a pure comedy film. Is

(22:19):
a horror comedy, then that doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
It brings up my next point where I feel like
someone told them, oh, and try to make this a
kid's movie.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah. I mean, there probably was toys for kids based
on this.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Because there was nothing, like, there's no nudity in this movie.
Swearing is not like over the top. And the special effects.
I feel like we're so toned down that it's like
going from like the first Ninja Turtles movie to the
Ninja Turtles TV like live action TV show. It's almost

(22:56):
like that level.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
It's weird too that I feel like some of the
best special effects they like blow their load right at
the beginning of the movie. So the dime store tar Man, yeah, yeah,
actually looks pretty good. Like I get it, he's discount Tarman,
but it's.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
All right, Yeah, he looks pretty good, except he's a
ripoff of what happened in the previous movie and looks
much much worse than that. Sure, like it's fair. If
Tarman's a ten, he's a six, but that's a huge
drop off when you're referencing him the last movie.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
Yeah, and then one of the first encounters of the
zombie is the the the girlfriend in the Gray Haard
when she punches that zombie in the face and like
her hand goes into his head and it's all covered
in gow. Yeah, it's and Nickelodeon slimey. Yeah, Yeah, that's
what I'm saying. No, there's a bunch of like a
lot of the special effects are perfectly fine. They're perfectly fine.

(23:55):
And if we weren't comparing this to Return to the
Living Dead, I believe you guys would probably be slightly
less critical of it.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
To be honest, maybe, But the name of this movie
is Living Dead, correct, correct?

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah, And I think like, yeah, if even if even
it was if it was called Return of the Living
Dead Part two but it didn't have so many callbacks
to the first I think that would help it a lot,
because you know what I mean, Like, shitty sequels is
not a new thing in the horror industry, but this
is hot.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
This is the the chud of the.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Dead, the constantly throwing it in your face, that like, hey,
here's the actors from a good movie. Here's the fucking
dialogue from a good movie. You know what I mean?
Like right at you like that and you're just like
what are you doing? Stop it?

Speaker 5 (24:43):
I almost wonder if the director didn't do that. He's like, listen,
if you guys are gonna make me make this into
a sequel, then I'm just gonna make the same Well,
and like.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
I wonder, like I'm curious what the script looked like
prior to them doing that, And I'm wondering if it
was a pure comedy film that they just decided like
studio exects, like you know what I mean, Like if
everything on their desk is a bit of a mess.
The word horror might have been covered up on the
horror comedy and they just take care us a little

(25:14):
about the outcome of their products that they're just like, oh,
we'll just make a comedy, okay, you know what I mean.
I don't know, it's because what a mess. Like when
you get to the end, too, and it's like like
that you're trying to take this story and like have
it make sense, and you're like, okay, they quarantine the
town and almost everybody's gone, but like our main characters

(25:35):
are stuck in town and you're like, Okay, that's like
pretty normal zombie movie stuff. But then they drive up
like the barricade and the army just like opens fire
on them, and I'm like, what, why would Like they're
speaking normally, they're clearly not infected. Why are they getting
shot at? What's happening? Like it's it doesn't make any sense.
It reminded me of like the scene in First Blood

(25:56):
where the fucking like National Guard guys go in and
blow up the mine because they're like they don't know
what they're doing, you know what I mean. It's like, what,
why wouldn't you just like take the people into custody
or something. Why would you shoot at them and shoot
so poorly at them that you're like twelve feet away
and miss every time? Or just edit that scene out?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, So on Wikipedia says a weader horned voice of
desire to lean deeper into the humorous elements of the
previous You think they said? Okay, Fox had stated the
producer producer's last name is Fox. Fox had stated his
intent with the film was to make a long lasting
horror series such as Friday.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
The Thirteenth, No good fucking asshole.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
And I read that Tom Matthews hates this movie so
much that he said, well, yeah, catering was pretty good.
And that's the only thing else.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Tell me his performance isn't actually terrible. You can tell
he's trying. It's just look what he's working with. I
do think that though, that explained something you're saying. He
wanted to lean further into the comedy. That's why the
joke of like they see some people in the distance
and they call for help, but it turns out those
people are zombies. That's why they do that like four times,

(27:12):
because obviously they're leaning into that joke. That's that's the key.
I didn't understand they were leaning into that joke. I
thought they were just repeating the same joke, like an.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Asshole on Rotten Tomatoes.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
That's pretty high. I'm not gonna lie. That's higher, and
I would have given it jesus. I mean, I guess
it's getting It's getting a thirty percent rating on this
podcast right now, So who might a comment? Yeah, yeah,
I was discounting Noah's vote, was rounding down.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Any other stuff you like about it?

Speaker 4 (27:52):
No, I know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
It's hard to give like specific so all the stuff
that involves the kid on on cash dout because it's like,
I don't it's bad. I don't it's not good.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
That's fair.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
But pretty much all the zombie stuff I can get into,
Like I said, it's silly whatever. This is the the
fucking naked gun version of that.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Is the best way to put it.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's this discount heavier comedy version. All
I'm saying is I don't think it's so bad that
I'm just like, ah, fuck, guess I kind of watched
it and chuckled along with it, and I was like, ah,
this isn't as good as the first one.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Well the thing for me, and I don't know if
this is true for either one of you. I saw
a Return of Living Dad when I was way too
young to be watching it about.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
A movie correct girl running around.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Naked, which is maybe why I love that movie so
goddamn much. But I will argue I feel like that
movie is just so good, Like the special effects are
so good, story is pretty good, the direction's good, like
it all looks good, sounds and I did not see
this movie until like I was in my thirties probably
so I didn't grow up watching this one. So I

(29:07):
have zero nostalgia for this movie.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
I this might have been a first time watch for me. Yeah,
Like I'm not sure if I've ever seen it before.
I've definitely seen clips of it before, but I had
no idea what to expect at any point time during
this movie. I think this is definitely the first time
I've sat down and watched it properly. And I'm just
like I didn't want to, like, you know, like I

(29:33):
almost messaged you guys and was like, do you want
to just cancel this Return of Living Dead month? Like
it was the last decision anyway, Like do we really
need to go through with it? Like I do.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
See Once again, though, I have to feel like you
guys both went into this absolutely assuming it sucked and
maybe having never seen it.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
No, No, I don't. I didn't assume it sucked going in.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
I did. You literally just said you thought about canceling
the show to avoid watching No, but.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
That was while I was watching it. That wasn't before
I was watching it, So that wasn't like that was
because of the movie. Not.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Well, we do get to do part three next week,
and I do like part three, so.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
Yeah, yeah, part three is awesome.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
You see, I can't remember part three, but I'm pretty
sure i've seen three.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
It has a naked chick pushing glass and ship through
her through her flesh. We'll see.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
She's like a weird sexy zombie chick goth icon to
go with the weird sexy punk icon of the first movie.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, I feel like they are much closer to being
sequels than Part one is. Part two.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Yeah, I can't. For the life of me, I can't
remember enough about it to comment until we watch it
next week.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
But we're not doing four and five because we would
I would just quit the show probably.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Yeah, no, we're not doing four and five. That was
never on the table. But yeah, I don't know this one.
I just I feel like the whole time I was
watching it, I was just like, why don't you do better?
Why don't you try harder? Does that make sense?

Speaker 5 (31:08):
Like it?

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (31:09):
I get it, Like, if you want to do jokes,
then write better jokes than this, and don't repeat the
same joke over and over again, because I like, you know,
if you want to make a horror, if you want
to make a horror comedy, make a horror comedy. They
didn't want to make a horror comedy. They just wanted
to make a comedy, Okay, but then do that and
it feels, I don't know, it just just felt just

(31:31):
a mess. Just tonally didn't work. The humor doesn't work.
Some of the zombies are okay, but a bunch of
them didn't work. Acting was poor. It sort of did
feel like maybe the actors didn't want to be there,
like maybe they knew they were making a bad movie
somewhere along the line.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
It does always make things more difficult.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
And it's just I don't like. Tom Matthews is probably
the best performance in this movie, and it's of the movie.
We're watching two Tom Matthews movies now and one last week.
This is definitely his weakest performance. And you know, he's
not sure and he's not some great actor where you know, oh,
even his weakest performance is still really good. It's like, no,
he's he's mediocre, and this is his weakest performance of

(32:14):
the three that we'll be discussing. And you know, I
think he's fine in the other movies, but he certainly
wasn't the best actor last week and now he is
if that's an indication of how the difference in quality
of the films all right?

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Well, getting away from his worst performance to one of
his better ones. Noah, do you want to tell us
about Friday thirteenth Part six? Jason Lives?

Speaker 5 (32:40):
Yeah. Friday the thirteenth Part six starts with Tommy Jarvis
and his friend going to Jason vorhees Grave after his
release from a mental institution.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
I expect you to call his friend by his full name,
which is ooh, mister carter Horsehack.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
Yes, but basically to dig him up, to prove that
he's dead to himself and all this kind of stuff. Unfortunately,
he stabs him with a fucking very antenna like cross.
Jason is then struck by lightning, giving birth to zombie Jason.

(33:26):
For the rest of the franchise, and essentially it is
a story of Tommy Jarvis be in a whiny little
bitch trying to stop Jason, and a cop who, despite
all evidence of the contrary, refused to believe that there's
anything going on other than Tommy Jarvis killing people and

(33:47):
Tommy and the CoP's daughter who just wants some of
that Jarvistick.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Correct in that cop who's really obsessed with the laser
sight on his gun.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Yeah, that's the most realistic part of this movie, is
the small town copy gets a fancy gun and he's
just so eager to shoot somebody with it.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Yeah. While while I don't like dislike six, I will
say I consider six to be quite possibly the silliest
of the original run.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
I don't think it's sillier than eight, but well, yeah,
but it is.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
It is.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
It leans into comedy now. It does it in a
way that is much better than other movies we've talked
about tonight where it because it merges the horror with
the comedy in a way rather than becoming a comedy film.
If that makes sense. Sure, it does it, I think
pretty successfully. There's a couple of a little bit over
the top moments, but there are there is a there's

(34:50):
a real fun element to this, including the fact that
this is the first film where you really feel like
Jason is really enjoying himself out there.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I just hope both teams have fun.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
When he kills there's a couple in a motor home
and he's like, he sneaks up and he's first of all,
he's being like such a coy little guy. Jason sneaks
up and he unplugs the motor home so then when
they come outside to do it, he can sneak in
and hide inside so that when they got to go
to drive, he's there to kill them. And he pulls

(35:23):
the girl into the bathroom and pushes her face through
a wall. Now she's dead. And then he just because
he's already dead, he doesn't give a shit, right, so
he just walks up and stabs the guy in the
head while he's driving this motor home and the whole
thing flips. But then you get that wonderful moment where
he comes back out the door and he's on the
flipped over motorhome and he stands on the top so
proud of himself, just so proud of what he's done.

(35:45):
And it's like the movie is just like I'm proud
of him too, Like he's standing there going I'm Jason
fucking Boris, and I'm at the bottom going, yeah, you are, buddy, Like,
go team, now, let's get to the camp and kill
those kids. I don't know, there's something about the way
it's done that I just find joyful. I think it's

(36:06):
and this is Like when you think about the previous
Jason films like two, three, and four, I love them,
but they are very serious films. There's like there's humor
in them, in the in the teenage characters and in
the previous iteration of Tommy Jarvis being a little bit
of a perv. You know, all that stuff is kind
of fun. But once the killing starts, all the stuff

(36:27):
involving Jason is very serious. And I feel like this
reinvention of Jason is where we're starting to see that
he enjoys what he's doing. This isn't a job to
him at this point, it's a passion.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Your life.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Yeah, And that's how I feel about Jason in this movie,
Like when he's when he finally like when he decides
to like because he's he does have that history of
like hanging the bodies for people to find and stuff
that goes all the way back to Part two. But
the level of blood that he sprays all over the
cabin in this one is just so over the top.
You know, he was enjoying doing that. You can't, you know,

(37:04):
you don't get that much blood without really trying, And
I respect that about him.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
So two things about this movie this is the only
Friday thirteenth movie that actually has kids at the camp,
which is fun.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yep. Leads to a nice little moment too, where they're like,
because this is the one where they want want us
on Jason's side. I think this is really the turning
point where from this point forward in the franchise, Jason's
the hero. He goes from the villain to the hero
at this point, and how they do that is like
his face turn is just he doesn't kill any of

(37:39):
the kids. He only kills the annoying adults, right.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, And as you know pointed out, Tommy Jarvis is
the one who ended up resurrecting Jason. So every death
from this movie forward is Tommy Jarvis's fault. Correct, fucking guy.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Yeah, piece of shit, it's I mean, you're not wrong.
And he does just sort of peace out after this one.
He doesn't come back.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
So he's like, look, I did my part. I put
I put a chain around his neck and left to
put the bottom of the lake. The psychic girl's fault
for bringing him back.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
I was gonna say, That's what I was going to say.
I do have to say that I can't be too
extremely mad at Tommy Jarvis. But because of Tommy Jarvis,
as fuck up, we do get seven, which is one
of the best ones.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Yeah, I agree, that's true.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Also true.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's but it is interesting the
idea that this poor kid who was the like the
the victim turned hero in part four and then like
in a rare like horror movie thing, we see the
actual consequences of that in five where he's like living

(38:51):
in a mental institution and you're like, oh, like there's
actual consequences. Tell everything that happened, Like survivor girls don't
just move on to live a happy life, like they
probably have a bunch of a bunch of mental issues
and stuff. And you're like, okay, And then to bring
him back in six and have him then be responsible
for bringing the killer back is insane.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, from part five to part six, grew about a foot,
maybe lifted some weights to me. Yeah, it's uh go
from Corey Felderman to whoever the guy was a part
five to.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
This Yeah, little you know, Well they say your mental
health and your physical health are directly connected. So this
is why he lifted weights till they let him out,
say an asylum.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Yeah, Corey Feldman has before expressed interest and like pulling
an H two oz and like coming back to play
Tommy Jarvis, and I'm always just like nah the role,
like I'll guri you man. It's interesting because Tom Matthews,
who's who's much bigger than you, and it would just
be awkward to watch your little five foot tall self

(39:54):
running around trying to beat up Adjason that is probably
played by somebody who's like six five.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Because if they did a you know, a Friday the
Thirteenth set somewhere between part eight and part nine or something,
and they brought back Tom Matthews and Kane Hodder together,
like I'd be like, yeah, okay, yeah, totally I'd be
I'd be one hundred percent on that, Like you know
it's but you're right, I don't think Feldman. I think

(40:21):
he worked in four. He's really good in four actually,
but he's kind of the role moved on past him
and then a poor guy from number five. It's not
really his fault that he was in number five.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
This is the movie where they say that Crystal Lake
tried to brand themselves as Forrest Green.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Yeah, I actually like that plot line point. I think
it's I like that the way it's done is like
it's in the background. It's kind of this like subplot
of like the whole town trying to move on from
the horrificness of Jason. And when you think about the
fact that like parts one, two, three, and four are
all set on the same leg, and then part five
happens in that same area, You're like, yeah, I can

(41:06):
see the town wanting to like change some shit, try
to move on. I'm not surprised at all, and I
think it's it's done in a subtle way. Some other
franchises that may have tried to tackle this issue more
recently may have fucked it up and ruined their movie
doing it. I'm talking about the Halloween movies that I'm
still mad about, by the way, cause anyone in case

(41:28):
I'm not being obvious enough, I want to make sure
that my hate is directed in the right direction. So
to watch it done right here, I think is really good.
Like I think they do a good job of like, hey,
we changed the name of the town, so the rest
of us, and it helps understand why the cop is
the way he is towards Tommy. He's like, I have
sympathy for you, but you can't come around here and

(41:48):
fuck up my town, Like, we've worked hard to move
on past this and you can't drag us back into that.
I think it's handled quite well.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
I find it interesting that they did it and then
Jason came back killed a bunch of people, and apparently
the town was just like, well, fuck, that didn't work.
I guess we'll just go back to being Crystal Lake again.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
It is kind of well, listen, listen. By the time
you get to some of the later movies, they've clearly
turned Jason into a tourist attraction.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
That is true, they went full circle. I don't think
he's a tourist attraction till part nine, The Jason Burgers. Anyways,
back on part six, though, what else do we like
we do? How do we feel about the random group
of like Paint Paul enthusiasts there on a corporate retreat

(42:41):
just so Jason has people to kill.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Theres one of them into a tree and it leaves
a smiley face.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Man, it's a little that's if there's a point in
the movie that's a little too far, that's the one
for me. But it's it's not. It's not that far
too far that it pulls me out of enjoying the
rest of the movie because we also have that great
moment where the guy like that. First of all, that's
where Jason gets his machetes from those guys, and then
he chops that one dude's arm off and it's just

(43:07):
spraying blood like it's from UHF and I love it.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, Paintballers was good. It is kind of funny that
if you watch any of the documentaries that have come
out about it, the director talks about all the stuff
that we've been talking about where he definitely purposely puts
some funny moments in. Yeah, when he stabs that one
lady in the face with the spear and her credit

(43:35):
cards go floating away. Yeah, he purposely left like silence
after that so somebody in the audience could go American Express,
don't leave home without it, which I'm sure happened in
every theater, right it.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Yeah, it's a joke that doesn't hold up now, Like
if you're watching this for the first time now, you
wouldn't understand why we watched that credit card so long.
But at the time, at the time, it really worked
because at the time we used to yell at each
other in like the schoolyard, you know. But I wonder now,
like it's so hard to try to evaluate this film

(44:09):
from a different perspective because I've seen it two hundred
and forty eight times or something, but.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
I want to rewatch it. I'm like, I've seen this
so many times.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
I didn't need to rewatch it, but I did. But
I did stay up too late last night rewatching it
even though I didn't need to. But yeah, like I
want that moment because it is silence and it is
a credit card floating, And I wonder if, like, for
modern audiences who don't have that slogan in their head,
if that does feel more like a horror movie moment

(44:39):
because it looks like one of like just like the
person kills and then instead of staring at the body,
we kind of pan over to whatever they dropped kind
of thing. So I think it worked. That's the blending
of the horror and the comedy in a way where
that it is a horror movie shot. It's funny because
of the context, but without the context, it's it still works.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
I think now Alice Cooper recorded the song man behind
the mask for it. Sure did the first time we
get like first time we get like a song specifically
for Jason.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
I believe.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
So, yeah, there's.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Now a bunch of cover versions of that song out there,
but I don't think there's even any other Jason songs.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah, what kind of stuff do you like? Now?

Speaker 5 (45:31):
I don't know. See that's one I don't have a
lot to talk about. So that there are a lot
of kills. The kills are pretty fun, but like I said,
this one's kind of one of the sillier ones. I
mean it's this Manhattan battling out for who's the silliest kid?
What's right?

Speaker 4 (45:46):
What kills do you like? What are some of your favorites?
You can't say the motor Homes already took that one.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
I do like whenever he breaks the dude's liquor bottle
and stabs.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Him with them, that's fun.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Which was a reshoot, was it? Yeah? They you know,
submitted it in the studio, was like, yeah, we love it.
We've seen a couple more kills. And so he brought
that caretaker guy back and was like, yeah, tear, why
not kill that guy?

Speaker 4 (46:15):
I feel like the Caretaker guy is the crazy Ralph
of this movie, oh for sure, Like and I feel
like that's part of the fun of the franchises. They
keep finding ways to have a crazy ralph like character.
What about the kill when he uh that one cops
pissing him off, so he just bends him in half backwards.
It's so fun to watch because he's not he doesn't

(46:38):
look like he's trying that hard.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
He's just.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
I do kind of like that. By the time he
gets to the camp, he is just like he's leveled up,
and he's just got like a utility belt with different
knives and throwing objects on it. He throws it was
a screwdriver. He throws in that one cops head and
it just jams in his head and the body falls
in the boat. And later Tommy just has to toss
the body out so we can use the boat. I
really enjoy that.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
What do we feel about him just chain and Jason
up and leave him at the bottom of the lake.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Well, you read it in a book that it would work,
So yeah, he read a book at one point, and
then he's like, oh, in this book it says I
got to put him back to where it says where
he died first, which they implied that he died in
the lake back in the day but yeah, the continuity
is a bit off there.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
They're fuck this movie then.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
So they ignore the the lines of dialogue in part
two where they acknowledge that Jason never died, and they
ignore the lines of dialogue in part five where they
say the body was cremated. But other than that, it's
the continuity is strong. It's just those couple of issues.
That and Tommy looking completely different from film to film

(47:52):
and clearly not being mentally disturbed anymore in this movie,
like he wasn't part five. Like Part five he was
really messed up, and in this movie he he really
doesn't seem that messed up anymore.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
He doesn't see that messed up. But they do imply
that he broke out of the mental hospital go do
all that shit. Yeah, but yeah, he's still having some
issues obviously, or.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
System trying to keep him down. That's what I like
to think.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
There's that I just I don't know. I like the
idea of just chaining Jason to a big old rock
and just setting them down there. Although like when you
look at Jason underwater, you're like, yeah, you could just
probably just lift that thing over your head and you'd
probably would probably be fine to be able to escape.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
It's magic.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Brian, I guess I think there's like behind the scenes
footage of the actor like doing that, because actually, like
had a guy down there and then you'd have to
like obviously come up for air, right, so they only
have so long to shoot him down there before he
had they had to release him. Yeah, and that basically
he was not really tied to the bottom of the lake.

(48:58):
Is the idea what.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
I don't know. There's something about especially just that the
last quote unquote fight if you want to call out
that where he Tommy Jarvis goes out in the middle
of lake Jason, you know, marches into the lake and
then disappears, and then he throws the gas around and
lights it on fire. And I'm like this, Oh, it
looks really cool and it.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Looks yeah, it looks awesome. There's still some humor in it,
Like there's that moment where he's like, hey, Jason, hay, asshole,
it's me. Yeah, like Jason turns and goes after him,
which I do appreciate that there's like a rivalry between
these two, that Jason's not just a blind killing machine,
like when you realize it's Tommy, he's like Oh you're

(49:40):
the fucker who ruined my mask two movies ago. Well,
I enjoy that. I think that like the beginning of
the movie and the ending of the movie look absolutely amazing,
Like the opening sequence in the graveyard and the closing
sequence at the camp on the water and stuff. Yeah,
I think they both look like almost better than they

(50:03):
should in a movie like this, if that makes sense.
Like when you compare those to the scenes of like
the daylight killing scenes with the paintballers and stuff, you're like,
it's like, these are too good to be in the
same movie with that.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
But which, to be fair, also is a different actor.
During those daylight scenes. They hired some guy to play Jason,
and then they shot the paintball stuff, and apparently the
studio looked at the dailies and was like, no, no, no, no,
this is not okay. He doesn't look good like Jason
should be like bigger, And so they brought in CJ.

(50:38):
Graham to plan who has a bigger, beal, bigger build.
But of course they did. They were like heah, yeah,
but you're not spending money to reshoot those scenes, so it's.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Not that obvious. Like I don't care, No, I don't
care either, and I'm pretty nitpicky, so like because I
do think his performance is pretty good, especially again in
that opening sequence where he comes out of that grave
and he's all like covered and shit, and you get
that like kind of iconic moment of him putting the
mask back on, like like shit's about to start. And

(51:11):
then again at the end when he's fighting with Tommy
and doing the whole thing like that walk into the
water looks so cool when he just like he's not like,
he doesn't swim out to the boat. He just walks
into the water. I guess he doesn't really breathe, so
you can just go underwater. Which does come back later
in the series as well.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Yeah, which uh, which is this movie specifically is the
one that made me hate that line in Freddy versus Jason.
It's like, oh, he drowned by water. Now he's afraid
of it. And I'm like, since when, yeah, well, can't
make any damn sense.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
I get, Well, probably when they cremated him that created
the fear of water. It's not all clear.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
There's still like somebody who came up with the theory
that Jason was actually cremated in they buried Roy from
Part five in Jason's Grave and then I don't know,
it makes no sense because why this doesn't make any sense?

Speaker 4 (52:12):
Why would he be so excited to get his hockey
mask with the red lines on it back when Roy
wore a hockey mask with blue lines on it.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
I do feel like they did miss a glorious opportunity
in that graveyard to write next to Jason's grave, just
have a grave someone that's just as Roy.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
That's funny, that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Did you ever play the fri thirteenth video game, like
the one that came out on Xbox a couple of
years ago. Yeah, it's pretty good. So they release like
it's mainly like an online multiplayer. Some one person plays
a Jason, everybody else plays as counselors, and then the
goal is for Jason to kill everybody before the night's over.

(53:01):
And they started releasing like different versions of Jason, so
you could pick like, oh, I'm going to be a
Part four Jason, or I'm going to be a Part
two Jason, which means I get to run around the
bag on my head.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
That's fun.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
But they they've released Part five Jason, which is Roy.
But the funny thing is like, so when you win
as Jason, like you hear throughout the game, you hear
like mother talking to you the whole time. Yeah, and
then at the end if you win, she's like, you've
done it, Jason, come come home, and it shows him

(53:34):
going back to like a shack that's out in the
middle of nowhere. But if you play as the Roy Jason,
you don't get that, and it just shows him just
walking down the road and disappearing into the night.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
I respect that they like the continuity, even if the
series of films doesn't.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
But it's like Roy gets no commentary for a mother.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
Instead, you just hear some guy going, hey Roy, Hey, Roy,
back to there.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
You know you're a paramedic. You still have to go
to work tomorrow, right.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
No sick days anyways? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Part
six I really like it. I think it's one of.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
The what do you have a favorite kill.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Shit? I mean, the horseshack one at the beginning is
pretty good.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
But the big punch through the guy.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Yeah, just full on. That's how that's how you know, like, oh,
this is leveled up, Jason. He just punched through Horsehack.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
It is. It is wonderful, like as a kid. I
remember that's sticking out to me. Just like that scene
of just his fist going through the guy. I love it.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
The Paintballers is pretty good. The lopping three heads off
all at once with the machete, I like.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
I do like when the one Paintballer guy shoots Jason
like just kind of looks at him, like, what the fuck.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
I don't know anything else about persex.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
No, it's super fun. You know who else I like
that we haven't really talked about is the CoP's daughter Megan.
I like her character a lot, Like she just decides
she's on She's just basically a rebellious young girl, and
she decides she's just going to be on Tommy's side.
And she's helping him escape from like the police jail
and stuff, and something.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
About my dad off. If I help the guy who
escape from the mental hospital and destroyed part of the cemetery,
if I help him break out of jail, Yeah, that'll
teach my dad.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
It's just I don't know. There's something about the way
it's done. And then this sort of a romantic thing
building between them, but you're like, I don't know, I
don't think this is a good basis for a relationship.
What happened to just bring bringing in the girl that
would just like, you know, get naked and go for
a swim and then you just move on. Adding this
character to the film is an interesting change. Is this

(55:58):
the only one in the franchise that doesn't have nudity?
I don't think it does, right, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
I was actually gonna ask you if it did, like
since I didn't rewatch it.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Yeah, I thought about.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
I thought about rewatching it at work, but I was like,
I can't remember if there's new toy or whatever.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
It is weird because there is sex in it, and
I think that they're weirdly clothed.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Yeah, they're weirdly clothed, and the sex and that whole scene.
I remember watching this for the first time as an
adult and like young me didn't realize they were having
sex in that scene. That's a weirdly shot that scenes.
But yeah, no, I don't think it's any new toy
I have. My theory is that it's because of Part
five that there's no nudity in this film.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Because because there's so much new to me.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
Because yeah, well it's because that one girl, Like remember
that couple that goes out into the woods and one
of them stabbed and the other one gets like, I
just think I think her boobs were so big that
it's almost like just having a really big dinner. So
it's like we're just gonna just skip breakfast the next day,
Like no boobs in the next movie at all.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
To try to set it was Debbie Vorgies. Yes, it's
like when she came in. I mean, they pretty much
had to be like, well, we gotta put her in
a movie yet real real last name is Vorhis come.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
On, so but yeah, that's my standing theory. That's why
there's they didn't need nudity in this film. There's just
enough of it in the previous one where they're like,
we can take a break.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
She's in seven.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Yeah, there's eight. Does he have actual nudity or.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Does trying to remember, trying to remember?

Speaker 4 (57:28):
Is it? Is it the silly ones don't have nudity?
Is that the process?

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Well, because the couple are having sex at the very
beginning on the house.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Boat, Oh yeah, yeah, there's nudity on the beginning. There's
not nudity once they get onto the her quotes cruise ship.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Yeah, but there's that one teacher that blackmails that one student.
Blackmail is a teacher, but she's wearing underwear.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Yeah, so if we do like the thing, there's definitely
nudity in one. We see the girl changing in two
when she's gonna seuice the guy in the wheelchair m
hm three who gets nude in three?

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Do you remember, uh, the hammock girl takes a shower
after they have set.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Yeah, then he comes walking in on his hands, so
she opens the shower curtain. Its feet were sticking it correct?
Or is the skinny dip in and then the twins.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Is not a problem. You have the twins that are
both naked. You have Sarah takes a shower, you have
the brunette girl who goes skinny. Lots of nudity. Yeah,
Jason X has naked.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Robot in it also has a virtual reality virtual reality nudity.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Yeah, it's all like, it's all digital nudity in that one,
but it's still.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Yeah. Yeah, remake has new toy because that one girl
has excellent nipple placement. Yeah, Friday versus Jason. So yeah,
it's only it's only part sex apparently.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
Yeah, apparently it seems as though there's like an inverseness
between the silliness of the film and the amount of nudity.
Sillier the movie the less, maybe because I guess because
they like by part six, were they trying to market
this to children? Is that the idea? And in the
eighties you could market a movie to children where he
bends a police officer and half backwards, stabs nineteen people

(59:23):
in the face and destroys a motor home. As long
as there's no nudity. I think that's what. Now, that's
my new theory. It's my previous one is now out
the window. Now. I think it's because they wanted to
sell toys.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Here you go. Google's AI overview says no thirteenth Part
six Jason Lives does not contain any nudity. This was
a deliberate choice by director Tom McLaughlin to move away
from the exploitation elements of the previous films in the series.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Move away from the exploitation. He crashes a motor home
and then stands on it like raises his arms in victory.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Although there is a scene involving implied sex, the characters
remain fully closed throughout the movie. Does however, contain significant
violence and gore, as is typical for the franchise.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Yeah, no, I think I think that maybe this was
just to sell Jason Halloween costumes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
It's possible they saw they saw how well Freddie was
doing and.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
The three wheeled plastic bikes with Jason Vories on the
wheels that you ride around the town in Ship like that,
because I had the Rambo one, so I didn't have
the Jason one. The other one from a different R
rated franchise, so weird. No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
In the eighties. How they would market Ship that is
very much adult films two children by way of like,
hey we're gonna give him a Saturday Morning cartoon or
hey we're just gonna put it on a big wheel,
Come buy it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
Yeah, we're both.

Speaker 5 (01:00:55):
I missed the era of inappropriate cartoons.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Now they might still be making some that we just
don't know about. Are there any of the conjuring cartoon
serieses on.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
Papa Doc and Friends?

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
The Human Centipede cartoon is great.

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Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
What was everybody watched this last episode? Not sure to
busy making power points?

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
Yeah? I was making powerpoints.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
What do you watch, Doug Well?

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
I didn't make any power points my never ending attempt
to watch every slasher from the eighties. I continued that
by watching a movie called Scream, and it's from nineteen
eighty one.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
I've not watched it. I thought about going back and
checking it out at some point, just you know. It
does be like tell people, hey, I watched Scream and
they're like, oh, I love nineties whoring. You'd be like, Nope, wrong,
one sucker, and then make them feel stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
Yeah, it's not good, don't watch how No, this is
what Fortunately, this is what one of the listeners said
about it when I posted on Instagram. I'll just read
what he said because he's correct about it. He said,
to be blunt, I would just say my opinion of
this movie really sucked. Some mediocre slashers are too slowly paced,

(01:02:50):
or have dull characters or contained uninspired death scenes, or
have characters repeatedly making stupid actions no actual person would do,
or can be boring. This movie does all of the above,
and I'm like, I'm like, yeah, correct, that's what this
movie does. So, like the idea of this movie is
there's a bunch of people like on like a rafting thing.

(01:03:12):
That's what drew my attention to it. They're on a
rafting trip, but Kevin Bacon's not there, so you think
everything's gonna be fine, right, And they they stop in
this like abandoned like cowboy village and they're they're gonna
spend like the night there, and then like a slasher
killer shows up and starts killing him. Right yeah, but okay,
so right away, like I was actually excited for the

(01:03:35):
movie because, like it starts, they're already on the rafts.
They pull over the shore. This is where we're staying tonight.
Let's hike up this little hill to where the town is.
And I'm like, good, right to the killing. Perfect great idea.
And they all kind of like are setting up to
sleep in different areas and then one guy wanders off
in his own gets killed, and then the whole group
gathers together to discuss it, and I'm like, well, like,

(01:03:58):
I know, characters and slasher films are meant to be
stupid sometimes, but you're all already in the same room.
Just stay in the same fucking room and you'll be fine.
Like what's the Like, it's problem solved, right, and it's
it's just it's dumb, man, and it's it tries to
be funny and it's not. Like their big joke is

(01:04:19):
that one of the guys is slightly overweight and he
likes to eat sometimes, but it's like the joke is
like he keeps being like, maybe we should have some food,
and it's like, well, you've been here for like a
day now, yeah, you probably should have something to eat. Like,
I don't what's what's funny about that? And then at
one point they cut to him and he's like takes
a bag of chips out of his like backpack, and

(01:04:39):
it's like, well, I think that's supposed to be a joke,
but I don't know. Like, you go on a multi
day trip, take some snacks with you. That makes sense
to me. I don't I don't know what the problem
is like, and like most of the kills just happen
off screen, which is never like it because everything I'm
saying negative about this film totally fixed if there was
fun hills, right, Like, I wouldn't care if it. If

(01:05:02):
there was fun kills, wouldn't bother me in the least,
you know, I don't. It doesn't matter if the if
the characters are stupid, as long as they die in
a fun way. But they don't. There's like there's weird things,
like all of a sudden, like two guys on motorcycles
show up and we're like, are these two killers? And
it's like now they're just two guys lost on motorcycles,

(01:05:24):
Like who cares? I don't know. It's just it's all weird.
And then when the big reveal comes, but like the
killer and stuff, it ties into some like weird ship
Captain and I'm like, but we're in an old West town.
What the fuck does that have? There? Was ship captains?
What do we huh? Like, just don't just yeah, so
just don't watch that one. It's on two b Twob's
wrong to recommend it to you. That's my advice with.

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
All right, did.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
I rant enough about that. So the only other thing
I watched, which I'm kind of thinking you might have
seen too, Brian, is The Long Walk.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Did you get out it? I have not seen it yet.

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
Oh come on, man, Sorry, I wanted to talk about it.
I I I enjoyed it a lot. As a fan
of the book, I enjoyed it a lot. It changes
some stuff from the book, but.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
I will definitely have seen it by next week.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Yeah, okay, I wanted to. I want to discuss the
ending with you. I won't. I will say. I will
say the ending is different from the book, but if
you've read the book, that's like the ending of the
book I really like. However, it's not going to work
in a movie, Like, you can't do that, right. So
that's so they did have to change it, and they did.

(01:06:41):
They change some of the character motivations. And I'm learning
I learned this after the fact, like, oh, some of
these characters are like merges of like the two characters
from the book, And you're like, okay, yeah, they do
that when they're making movies. But it's all done well.
Most of the characters are really good. The whole movie
takes place on the walk. There's not a lot of
like cutting away from it or anything. You know, they

(01:07:04):
don't add a bunch of they don't add well, there's
a little bit of backstory for like your main characters,
but there's not like a lot of added in stuff.
It's all just they're walking and talking for you know
what I mean, and from what I like, from what
I've read, they just they made these actors walk for long,
long periods of time and just keep filming the scenes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
So yeah, I heard one of the actors did an
interview on one of the podcasts I listened to, and
I think they counted and they figured out that sort
of the main characters on it, they probably walked about
four hundred miles during filming.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Yeah, and that doesn't surprise me at all because they're
like they're constantly actually walking as they're being filmed.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
So because I think they filmed over like two or
three months.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
I really don't know the actors in it. But like
so the two leads which are Guardyan Debries, if you've
read the book, you know that they're both excellent. Everyone
else is very good, but they all have smaller roles.
Mark hamill Is, Mark Hamibell and I fucking love him.
And the thing is, I don't know because I haven't

(01:08:19):
read the book. Last time I read the book was
like twenty sixteen, right, so it's been a while, and
I don't remember the actual dialogue, but it feels like
they borrowed a lot of dialogues straight from the book.
And be surprised. Mark Hamill, being a voice actor, is
very good at delivering that bombastic Stephen King dialogue. Like

(01:08:45):
King's dialogue doesn't always translate to screen. Sometimes they it's
a mistake to reuse it see see Dream Catcher, but
it's it works in this case, and I do think again,
I don't know for sure that reusing dialogue from the
book because it's been too long, but it feels like
they are when you're watching it. So if you're a

(01:09:05):
fan of the book, I think the movie will appeal
to you. It's very bleak, it's very dark. It's one
of those ones that's annoying how much you're like this
book from the seventies that was bleak and dark, and
you're like, but it was. There's a lot of commentary
in it, and we turn around and look at and go, oh,
why is that all still apply? Shouldn't people have read

(01:09:27):
this in the seventies and learned their lesson from it
and moved on. No, all right, like the core can
see the core like without getting into every little detail,
like the core idea of we've made this world like
so terrible and horrific that you can't build a life
for yourself. And then we sell these young people on
the idea that like, if you do this thing, you

(01:09:49):
could be the hero, you could get rich, you could
provide for your family, everyone will love you, you'll be famous.
Of course, like ninety nine percent of you will die,
but one of you gets to be famous, and that's
your way out from this shitty system that we've built.
Is like like, well that doesn't apply at all today,

(01:10:10):
no other other than it's exactly what goes on in
every element of you know, society, and you know obviously
like when it was written, it was part of that
was about the Vietnam War and the idea of military
or recruitment, and it's like, well, they haven't changed the
way they do military recruitment either, Like so I really

(01:10:36):
enjoyed it. I want to talk to you about the ending,
but we can't do that until you see it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
So yeah, I almost went and saw yesterday and I
was just too tired after work. Yeah, if I go,
I'm not going to watch it as closely as I
want to watch it. So I I think I'm probably
gonna go see it tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
Okay, Well, don't forget about it by next week so
we can talk.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
I've really enjoyed seeing it, and I've really enjoyed talking
to my geek friends about it. So nice. It's not
the ending isn't perfect, but it's good and I really
want to discuss it all right, But unfortunately that is
all I watched, So hopefully you got a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Nope. Me and the girlfriend were hanging out and we
were going to watch a movie, and for some reason,
she likes the movie Cats and Dogs, which I have
never seen.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
It's from like two thousand kids movies. It's a kid's
movie where dogs and cats are constantly trying to kill
each other. I'll sort of like a spy versus spy situation,
and one voiced by Sean Hayes wants to take over
the world and the one voice, Toby Maguire, has to

(01:12:02):
stop him. As the new recruit that is also led
by Alec Baldwin as a German shepherd. I don't know.
She loves this movie. I have never seen it before,
and I was like, all right, well, let's give it
a watch. And I got really bored about a third
of the way through and started playing a game on
my phone and don't remember the.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
Rest of it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
I wish she hadn't brought that one up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Yeah, so my advice is don't watch it. But if
my girlfriend listens to this, oh I know, I loved it,
it's great. We should watch part too. Soon after that,
we did go to the theater the next day. And
the reason I didn't see The Long Walk is because
she had been talking for the last month about how

(01:12:44):
excited she was that the new Conjuring movie was coming.
She loves those movies, so held off watching it and
we got to go and she didn't put together that
The Long Walk had just come out, and she's like,
oh shit, you really wanted to see that. I'm like,
it's it's fine. I held off watching this one so
we can see it together. So yeah, watch the New Conjuring.

(01:13:07):
Last rites, I mean, it's a Conjuring movie. Warren show up,
help a family get rid of some demon that has
possessed something in their house and then everything's fine afterwards.
So that's a conjuring movie. I didn't hate it, but
you know, you pretty much know what you're getting when
you go in.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
I just because I have yet to see a conjuring film.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
So well, it's a lot of like, hey, something's possessed
and they the Warrens show up and they're like, we
can help you, and then they help them figure out
what it is that's possessed and by who, and then
how to get rid of it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
We have an old timey military fort in my town
that is like now it's just a touristy place, and
they're doing movie screenings for Halloween when some of the
movies are showing like every week they're showing a movie,
and some of them are the conjuring ones baiting whether
to go see one, be my first first ever seeing one,
but like I know, I'll enjoy myself, even though I'm
not that excited for the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
But I mean, it's like ghost movies. If you like
ghost movies, then I don't know, maybe you'll enjoy these movies.
Like to me, they're like they're fine, like they're they're
they're good. I enjoy them. They're never gonna top my
list is favorite horror movies. They're nice, like middle of
the road like horror stuff. Also doesn't help that I

(01:14:32):
know the Warrens were horrible fucking people in real life,
so well that's yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know when
you just give an elevator pitch of sort of who
they were and how you could translate that into a movie,
you're like, oh, these people were built for a movie franchise.
Like these two people go into houses and help get

(01:14:54):
demons and ghosts out, and you know, they collect all
these supposedly possess items and have them in a room
in their house. Like yeah, you just pick an item
and you build a movie around it. Of course, So
like that I get, But you know, it's better not
to go read up on who the Warrens were in
real life.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
So yeah, well, and I don't know, at the end
of the day, these are ghost movies if you want
to just take some random real people and make them
your heroes. To me, I don't know if it makes
much sense, but I'm not that bothered by it, you
know what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah, the characters have
to be real, like it's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Yeah, I think it's more like I was at that
Horror convention on Saturday and I was like, yeah, I
think we're gonna go see The Conjuring tomorrow to some
of my friends that were there, and they're just like, yeah,
I don't watch those because I don't want to give
the Warren family money. And I'm like, I get it,
but you know, yeah, it's that's just just about every
movie has something weird connected to it.

Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
So yeah, I mean like a lot of mine is
just yet like there's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
I have weird hills that I I on two that
makes zero sense.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
But and it's not that your hills aren't correct, but
also like you're giving money to the Warrens, So it's
like everybody's doing something that. Yeah, and every movie if
you go through again, I've always said, you go through
the credits of any movie, you see how many people
there you're helping somebody who sucks. There's got to be
a person who sucks in that list. Eighty four percent

(01:16:24):
of people suck.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
So why wouldn't you know, I mean, this is supposed
to be the last Conjuring movie, because I mean they
kind of marvelized the Conjuring series. Yeah, you have the
main four Conjuring movies and then there's like twenty five
spin offs with the like the Annabel movies and the

(01:16:47):
None and all that stuff. So it's just, uh, yeah,
it's one of those. It's like, oh, it's supposed to
be the last one, so I'm going to go, uh,
sort of close it off. We'll see already talking about
doing this a prequel series, so sure.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Yeah, I don't necessarily believe them when they say that
they're ending a series. Ever, Yeah, they just don't.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
So like the like I said, the movie's fine. It's
it delivers what I expected from it. There's maybe a
little bit too much going on with the actual war
and family, Like they focus on their daughter a lot,
who is now grown up in this one because we've

(01:17:37):
moved into the eighties. But yeah, whatever. My girlfriend enjoyed it.
She loves all these movies, so it's like, I guess,
I guess that's fine. Other than that, I've been catching
up on like Peacemaker.

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
And I've watched the first few episodes.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Yeah, I mean it's completely ridiculous, as I expected.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
So the U the orgy scene in the first episode.
I was like Jesus Christ, like, see, I get I
get what he's doing, because that way is James Gunn going. Yeah, yeah,
I know, like the movies and stuff are very peachy,
but this isn't going away.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Yeah see. And I felt like it's too little, too
late because the boys already did the Superhero orgy scene
and I'm just like, yeah, it wasn't as good as
the one of the Boys.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Well I don't think they're going to go as far
as the Boys did.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
They go pretty far though. There's lots of Dix and
all kinds of stuff on display.

Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
But yeah, yeah, it's pretty graphic.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Yeah there's not shots of cameras inside of a toilet
and people sitting down and stretching Dix and whatever else
like there's some of the boys, but yeah, it's just
considering we had Superman this summer and then bunch of
naked people hanging out with John Cena. All right, I

(01:19:04):
get it, James gun.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
I mean, we've been encouraging Marvel to, you know, do
an R rated film for a while now, so not
what I was thinking about.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Here's a brief glimpse of some of the provely fine
pictures we've scheduled him the near couture. All right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Next week we're on to our third and final episode
of Return of Living Dead three weeks. It's not really
a month, it's a month.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
It's every bit as much a month as some of
our five week ones have been.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Uh, but this one is Brian used that week, which
is going to be interesting because we're watching Return of
Living Dead three, which I'm excited about, and then Doug
team that up with Society. So speaking of orgies, good word.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
When I put it on the list, i'd never seen
Society and then I saw it between when I put
this on the list and now.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
I've actually never seen it before. I know a lot about.

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
It, a lot of a lot of sticky Cronenberg fucking
Society shunting.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
So should be interesting, I guess. I guess Next week
is going to deal with a lot of body horror stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Yeah, that's what it is. It's not Archie week, it's
body horror week.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Well, because we do have that check who shoves a
glass and nails through her skin and Return a Living
Dead movie, so see always have a secondary theme. Yeah,
that'll be a Return a Living Dead month. What did
we decide we're doing for October.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
It's to be determined.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
We were going to do another series of movies.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
We were going to do the Dracula two thousand films.
But yeah, that's what it hasn't been hasn't been.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Formalized yet, that could change.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
Yeah, let's see, well that way to insist that we
do not change it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
So just to be a contrarian, all right, then yeah,
yeah that's locked in. Yeah, we're totally doing that, and
then we'll see what Doug decides to do. Now we've.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Yeah, we'll figure out how to pad that out too,
because that'd be another three week month we did that,
So gotta be a way.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
So you remember how I said I was not going
to start collecting VHIS tapes.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
Every time you say you're not going to start collecting something,
I buy stock in it because I know it's you're
just gonna go buy a ship.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
Ton Well is at the convention with my girlfriend and
she was we were looking through this these tubs of
these movies that this one booth was selling, and the
guy was selling a couple of VHS tapes and one
of them was Dark Man and it was only a dollar.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
I was like, well, I gotta get that because that's
gonna sit sits on my entertainment center in front of
my TV. Like I told the guy, these are pretty
much just decorations at this point, which is why I'm
not going to spend a ship ton of money on them.
But dark Man for a dollar on VHS Hell yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
Man, I was. I was collecting VHS tapes until it's
till I melted. Yeah, insurance doesn't give you anything for those,
it turns out.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Have you started rebuying anything? Are you just going on
digital now?

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
I have not started rebuying except well except for I
started buying vinyl, but not as I'm actively not collecting.
I'm just buying stuff to listen to. Yeah, does that
make sense? Like I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Sam Like, I'm buying stuff I really want to listen to,
but it's usually just weird shit. So a lot of
it turns out to be like like movie scores and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
Sure, but if you're going to actually listen to them,
it's the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
Like I have to remind myself, like when I go
into stores, like, you're not here because you really like
the cover art, You're not buying something because it's weird
or because you already have other stuff by that band
and you're a completionist, Like, it's what of the.

Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
One of the younger guys I came with is always
asking me for bands and stuff because he's listening to
all this random ship and he started getting into those
nineties like post grunge kind of bands like Filter and
you know, bands like that, and I pretty much just like,
you know what, if you're I was like, if you're

(01:23:22):
really into that, The Crow City of Angels, it's like
a great movie, but a pretty great soundtrack.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
Soundtrack's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Yeah, Yeah, soundtrack's good. Soundtrack for those first two movies
where excellent. Yeah, even actually think the original Crow one
is a little bit more industrial than it is like
grun stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:23:44):
Yeah, it's it's heavier, but it's good. It's one of
the best soundtracks of all time. But yeah, I should
probably buy that in vinyl. Actually anyways, Yeah, the second
one's good too. I just for some reason on my
like Instagram feed are actually technically on the show's Instagram feed.

(01:24:08):
The one of the recommended reels that popped up today
was a scene from The Crow Wicked Prayer, which I
think was the last.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Fifth one the last one outside of the remake.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
And it's like it's so weird because you're like, I'm
staring at this thing and it's like Dennis Hopper's in
this and David booranis and fucking like Tara Reid, like
who at the time was still a famous actress, and
I'm like, what the fuck? How is this this terrible?
With all these people? Like what happened?

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
Fred Ward I think is in the fourth one?

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
Yeah, I know what fred Ward's in the third one? Yeah,
And that one's not that bad.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
I think Kirsten Dunst maybe yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Yeah, she's like the girlfriend of the guy that comes back,
or the sister of the girlfriend because the girlfriend's killed. Yeah,
I don't hate that one. And it's fred Ward is
the leader of like the corrupt cops that he has
to go kill because they framed him for murderer and
that's why heaps the crow.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Now, I don't remember the story for that one being bad.
I just remember the production.

Speaker 5 (01:25:21):
It's did we do it on the podcast?

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
I don't think so, I guess I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
I thought I thought we didn't Edward for a long week.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
With No, we didn't do the Edward for Long Crow.
I wouldn't have let you do that. So we did
Edward for a Long Week. We did that one where
he's like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Pet Cemetery and then uh, pet Cemetery to and brain.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
Scan right right. Brain Scan was the one I couldn't
think of. Yeah, I prefer to think pet Cemetery Too
is a clancy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
Brown movie that makes me feel better, and uh Edwards movie.

Speaker 4 (01:25:59):
Yeah, that's sure.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Yeah, we have to plow through the Crow movies at
some point. We don't need to do.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
All of that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
But I don't know, like the first one, first one
on there, the first one is amazing and it is
just like it's again, the plot's very simple, but you know,
the performances are good, the cinematography is amazing, the music's amazing.
This guy's just the right amount of humor trickled into it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
Yeah. I was thinking more Ernie Hudson, Like you said,
he didn't do that walking against the wind Ship.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
There's that moment in that Phil where Brandon Lee and
Ernie Hudson are in Ernie Hudson's apartment and he's like,
but you're dead and he's like, yeah, I'm dead. But
I came back to life to like get revenge or whatever,
and he like gets he ERNI Hudson's just staring at
him like dumbfounded. So Brinley get some a beer. Still,
why do you still have your hat on if the
rest of your uniforms off. It's such a fun moment.

(01:27:09):
You're just like because it's these really good performances just
going off each other.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
It's like, oh, are you gonna you disappear out the
window again? Just use your front door.

Speaker 5 (01:27:21):
I just every time I rewatch it. The fact that
like a significant portion of ve movie is using like
early stage CGI face replacement stuff and you can't tell.
It's just crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Yeah, it's Yeah, there's a couple of scenes they had
to replace some backgrounds that you're like, Okay, I can
kind of it's kind of I mean it's not for
the time. It's amazing, but you know, has an aged
super well. But yeah, there's some face replacement that unless
you watch the documentary where they show you how they
did it, I would have zero idea they did.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
It well because I think they affected that technology like
the year before because of Jurassic Park. It's like it's
literally like in Jurassic Park, I think there's a moment
where like this, like a a stunt person screws up
and looks into the camera. So they're like, fuck, now
we have to invent technology to replace.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Her face with the actor's face.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
And then the next year like, oh, you know what,
we could use that over here. So funny. But they
are like there are moments and there where the special
effects are like when he gets shot through the hand
and then it like heals up. Yeah, it's like I
remember thinking that was this amazing moment. When you watch
it now you're like, yeah, that's it's not great special

(01:28:38):
effects wise. And then this is the scene where he
falls from the building, which I remember seeing in theaters
thinking that's not great special effects. Obviously even in the
nineties that wasn't great. But most of it holds up
really well.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
Got this bug.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Please remember to replace the speaker on the post when
you leave the theater.

Speaker 7 (01:28:59):
And now, folks, it's time to say good night.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
We sincerely appreciate your patronage and hope we've succeeded in
bringing you an enjoyable evening of entertainment.

Speaker 7 (01:29:15):
Please drive home carefully and come back again.

Speaker 5 (01:29:17):
Sue.

Speaker 7 (01:29:18):
Good night,