The Devil's Rain & The Abominable Dr. Phibes

We’re taking a look at two films by the director Robert Fuest. First up, William Shatner and Tom Skeritt fight satanist Ernest Borgnine in THE DEVIL’S RAIN. Then, Vincent Price kills people who didn’t save his wife by way of the plagues of Egypt in THE ABOMINABLE DR. PHIBES.

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Speaker 3 (00:55):
I make no guarantees that he won't wake ups?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Have you? Have you told him like someday you're just
gonna wish you could sleep all the time, won't be
able to.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
He does want to sleep all the time, He just
wants to do it in the morning. It's the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
I was gonna say. It is amazing how cyclical that
stuff is, because like when you're a teenager, you just
want to like fucking sleep a billion hours and then
whenever you're old, you go right back to that. You're like, nah,
I was right, I was right back then.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I've never been a sleeper, so.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Missing out.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I'm not good at it. Just a lot a talent
I never picked up. I guess I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Take a handful of melatonin and sleep for like fourteen hours.
It's great.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I you know, melatonin does nothing for me. Yeah, yeah,
I've tried it. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
I had to go one above the suggested dosage for
it to work for me.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
I once, in a state of frustration, took like eight
of my excess melatonin gummies. So I don't know how
many you were supposed to take, but UH suggested too. Yeah,
I eight did not put me to sleep. I'll say
you that. So I gave up and never tried again.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
I have like super DNA or something.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I just I don't know if to tell you.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
So, how was your trip? Dog?

Speaker 3 (02:32):
That's pretty good? Some cool Orca related experiences. Got to
go ziplining a bunch, got to watch a dog bark
at an orca, which was really entertaining to me, Like.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Well, we're that flight across the country, huh.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
It's just an orca swimming along like the shoreline and
wearing a boat like watching it. And this dog comes
out of my house and starts barking at it. It's like,
what are you gonna do to an orca? That was
pretty funny.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
The dogs think he's doing something.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Chris was like a little dog too, so you're like, yeah,
of course it is.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
So Yeah. There was your labor day.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
Noah, it was real good. I went to we'ren Fair
and walked around Weren't Fair for all day. I had
some steak on a steak.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Dirty egg steak.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yeah, steak on a steak.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Like a wooden steak that you jam into a meat
steak and then you pick it up and eat it.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Yeah, steak on a steak. It's just it's just meat
on a skewer. But they call it steak on a
steak because it was the It was the lifeful. I've
never been to the Bristol One before. Man, it's it's cool.
It's like a theme park. Pretty wild. The only problem
I have with it is, man, you get so fucking lost.

(04:01):
Like the layouts real strange. So you can turn right
and you go in a circle and you're like, oh shit,
I went in a circle, so you turn left and
somehow you end up going in the same circle and
you're like, how.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Does that's not even possible?

Speaker 5 (04:14):
How did I get here? In the morning? I got
there at nine, walked through the door open, and at
noon met up with some people and they were like, yeah,
that thing's by the rock climbing wall, and I was like,
it's a rock climbing wall.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Is it literally just a rock wall? Actually back then
they wouldn't have had hand.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
No, So it's a castle. There's a castle. In one
side of the castle is a rock climbing wall, with
different partitions of the castle being your different heights for
different skill levels.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
No, no, no, that's not historically accurate. Purpose of a
renfares to go live like you're in olden times.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Really, it's to dress up in incredibly historically inaccurate stuff
and walk around laughing and having a good time in
buying nerd shit.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
It's if it was historically I agree, you couldn't climb
up that wall because the toilets would have emptied directly
out the side of the castle and it would have
got real slippery.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Also, well, like the even the vendors. They're selling stuff
because I I went in this year and I have
no kit anymore because I haven't been in ten years
and I've lost so much weight. That's the few things
that I did have don't fit anymore. So I was like,
I'm gonna buy just one thing, and this time, because
I'm an adult and I have real money, I'm gonna

(05:42):
like slowly buy a good kit. So I was like,
I'm either gonna buy hats or boots at this one.
And I walked up and you know, they're explaining the boots,
and you know, they're like, some of those boots are
eight hundred dollars and stuff, and you're like, fuck, you
buy your fucking eight hundred dollars boots. But they get
through all of them, and finally they get to the
very last one and they go, that's actually the historically

(06:02):
accurate one, because technically all these other boots have buckles
on them. In medieval times, nothing is buckles on your shoes.
It's just not a thing. But ninety nine percent of
what we sell is inaccurate. It's pretty funny.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Well, I mean, I don't think life was that much
fun in the like, it's not like you really want
to recreate life from back then, right?

Speaker 4 (06:26):
I said, it was like an amusement park. I was like, oh,
is this like, hey, some experience the bubonic plague? Rub
this rat in your face.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
See.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
I was gonna say, that's the type of medieval times
that you would think is represented, and instead it's like
people dressed up like furries and various things like that
Star Wars guy. There's always Star Wars guy.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Is there a Star Trek guy?

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (06:54):
There usually is Star Trek guy. I did not see
Star Trek guy this time.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Usually like they've stumbled upon some ancient civilization.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
I was.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
I was really shocked how long it took me to
find somebody in medieval armor that was clearly stylized to
be Mandalorian armor. Usually that happens very quickly. You're like,
there's the guy, there's the guy. There's there's the Black Knight.
Who is Darth Vader.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
You know, it never occurred to me to look for that.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
So no, it's like it's part of like the ren
Fair experience I call it. You know, it's like Renfair bingo.
You walk around and you go there he is, there's Batman.
I knew it. I knew Batman was here somewhere.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
The ren fair. Is he like steampunk Batman or something?

Speaker 5 (07:42):
No, no, just Batman?

Speaker 3 (07:46):
All right, gils inappropriate?

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Listen it is They.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Can now say that that's why I don't go to
ren fairs. Yeah, there the reason.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
There is a whole thing, and it's gotten bigger over
the last however, many years of whatever. Everybody's here to
have fun. You should respect people doing their dumb shit. Yeah,
and which is fine because I mean, once again, it's
not like anybody's historically accurate. So I don't know how

(08:16):
what the difference is between a historically inaccurate Musketeer and
a historically inaccurate Darth Vader Knight.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Every time I think in runfairs, I just think of
Jenine Garofolo from Cable Guy at Medieval Times? And can
I get a fork? Can I? Can I get a fork?
And she's like, there were no forks in medieval times?
Thus there are no forks in medieval times? Would you
like a refill on your pepsi? And he's like, but

(08:49):
there was pepsi. She's like, dude, I just work here.
I don't know which is why?

Speaker 5 (08:53):
Then you tell them give me an all and then
they'll look at you like what's that and you're like,
that's the stabby thing that they used in medieval times,
like a fork. Fucking assholes.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Just eat with your hands and enjoy the experience when
you go. It's not like you go up.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
Well, well, it's just funny that they're pedantic about stuff
like that. But it's not even accurate. The pedantry is
not correct accurate. Yeah, you can't be well, but I'm
saying you can't be pedantic about accuracy when you're being inaccurate.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Well apparently you can.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Actually, I was reaching a whole another level of nerd dumb.
This entire thing is I just want to piss off
the waiters at medieval times.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
I love the waiters at medieval times. I just wish
medieval times that My big complaint is that the food
used to be much better.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
I've never been.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
Oh really, it's delightful.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
I've been a few times, and I've never I don't
know that I've noticed any change in the food quality.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Oh my god, what if I was a teenager the
food was fantastic and now it's just a mediocre.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
I feel like that's that everywhere I was trying to
think of where to go for lunch today, Well does
it work? I went over all the places that were
around me, and I'm like, oh, but all their food sucks.
Now everywhere I.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Will say eating for me, I don't. I don't enjoy
like eating out the way I used to, because it
does feel like everything is just more blandish.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, everything sucks. This is that sweet, sweet Brazilian steakhouse
that's too expensive to eat out.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
All the time, I thought that was a transition, and
I was trying to figure out how the hell it works.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
No I was basically just saying it for Noah because
I know no It loves the stakhouse. Yeah, swords of meat,
meat on swords? Is there transition we can make out
of there?

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah? I don't think there was meat on swords in
either of this week's movies. Although wet meat on swords
would have been so normal in these weeks movies that
would wouldn't have stood out like a background thing happening whatever.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
So Noah packed a couple of movies. They have the
same director, and interesting thing is even nobody else knows.
Because we finally got all of our back catalog that
I had stored up out, we haven't recorded in like
two weeks, so it's gonna be interesting trying to remember
what these movies were about.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I kind of
implied that you guys should record while I was on vacation.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
So it's not getting out of those bullshit.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I had already watched the movies and I enjoyed them both,
like spoiler alert, but now it's like, detailed discussions might
be difficult this week.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
That's all all right, Well, Noah seemed like the goat
man out of Devil's Rain really enticed you.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
So the goat man is objectively enticing. Okay, so it's true.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
And again our sport coat man.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
So, we've got a family who apparently stole a devil
book from the Devil People, the Devil people being Ernest
borgnine and his cult. His family was cursed by Ernest borgnine,
who's surprised shockingly scary in this movie, which is very weird.

(12:20):
I'm so used to him being like funny and he
legitimately I'm like, oh no, Ernest borgnine is a creepy
Satan guy's actually kind of freaky.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
In the seventies, he was kind of scary.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
Yeah, but yeah, so chases him to this abandoned town
over across the way after a giant storm that they
keep calling the Devil's rain, even though that's not what
Devil's rain is, which is weird. That's fine, goes out there,

(12:52):
things happen, smash cut. He's not the main character. His
brother's the main characters. We jump over to him and
he ends up coming to town doing the same stuff
and going to the same town and then having to
do battle with Satan boy is Ernest Borgneine keeps it
turned into a goat man occasionally by summoning Lucifer into

(13:13):
his soul.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
It's a weirdly accurate description of the movie. It's like,
I want to be like that, that's not what the
movie's about. But no, yeah, that's pretty much it.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
Yeah, I mean, I mean the big caveat that I'm
leaving out is we do have a flashback to the
fact that Ernest Borgnine's character was an evil witch boy
back in the old Pilgrim times, and that his cult
were all burned to death, but through evil witchy witchy magic,
they're all brought back as like wax columns.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
They are. Yeah, I don't know exactly what they are.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Yeah, they're like wax columns. Yeah, but if they get wet,
they melt or something like that.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
It's not entirely clear what melts them. Now, I'm glad
they melt because it looks really fucking cool when they melt,
but I'm not exactly sure why they melted.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
Well, it's a proofucking so good things and bad things
about this movie. When stuff is going on, it's pretty good,
right right, the stuff going on. I'm into the stuff,
and most of this movie there is stuff going on.
There's some weird laggy bits here and there, but for
the most part, something's happening all the time. So that's

(14:27):
pretty good. The structure of this movie and the plot
of this movie, or just you're like, what in the
fuck is happening right now? Like, because this movie starts
at a point where you're like, did they cut off
the first twenty minutes of this movie, because it feels
like you start in the middle of the the like

(14:48):
siege of the house in Night of the Living Dead.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah, I agree with that. It throws you right into
the action. You're very much led to believe that Bill
Shatner is going to be your main character, and then
he goes to the town and as you shoot out
with the evil no eyes guys, and then it smash
cut to what is the real story of the movie.
It's kind of like watching Evil Dead two where they

(15:12):
do the recap of Evil Dead one in the beginning.
That's what this feels like. It's like, here's the little
recap of the story leading up to the story, and
that's why Tom Scarett has to come looking for his brother.
You know, the movie is a sequel to itself in
a weird way.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yes see, that is an accurate thing that it feels
like a sequel to itself.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah, liked it. It's really it really feels like they
had two separate stories. Like the sequel is the brother
coming to town because the first brother failed, but they
didn't have enough to stretch that out or something, so
they made it into one movie. I don't mind the format.
I'll say that like I found it because the first bit,

(15:54):
for whatever it is, is maybe twenty minutes of just
Bill Shatter being Bill Shatter and you're like, all right,
so we're gonna get him like yelling at people and
then pulling his gun out into church and shooting people
in like an obscene way where it's like there's no
chance you're getting out of here because there's hundreds of
them and one of you, you know, and he's yelling
or Sport nine or Sport nine's yelling back at him,

(16:16):
and that like everything looks really cool, you know what
I mean. Like they're in this old church and they're
all wearing these robes and shit, and you're like, all right,
I'm in for that. And then cut to like when
the Tom Scarett character joins the story and becomes like
the main protagonist for the remainder of the movie. I
actually think it's pretty well done, the stuff of him
coming to the town looking for his brother and all that. Like,

(16:38):
I think it's executed quite well, and it's an interesting story,
and like it allows us to explore the mystery of
what the hell is going on here in a way
that I found worked. So I don't mind that it's
a weird format, but it is a weird format, man.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
So yeah, what do you think of Brian, Because I mean, listen,
there's wax people melting in a movie with fucking a
goat man and Bill Shattner in it. So I think
we all know I had a good time.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Watch nobody's surprised.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yeah, I remember liking it. I honestly do not remember
a whole lot of what happened. I did like that
every time goat Man showed up, he like, uh, possessed
Ernest borg nine. So unfortunately there's no Ernest borg nine
and the goat Man like interacting, because I mean that

(17:34):
would have made this.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
I mean, keep in mind, it would have been that
seventies split screen technology where it's just Ernest born nine
and fucking makeup and then him without the makeup yelling
at each other.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
So that would have that would have been even better.
And like one of them, one of them reaches out
to hand something to the other one and their hand
disappears halfway through the scene because you didn't figure that
out yet. That would have been great. Can we talk
to the William Shatten without eyes is terrifying?

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah? Those the all of the like fucking minions or
whatever they are in their hoods with the no eyes.
They're creepy as shit.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
It's kind of reminded me of the William Shatter mask
that they that they use for Halloween.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, because his face is kind of like when they
put all that makeup on him. He's not quite that
it's not as dark as it should be.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
Apparently that was a rumor for a really long time
that the that the face mold of that is what
they made the mask out of, which, man, it's one
of those things that looks true and feels true. But
everything I could read they said, that's not fucking true.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Well, it just because it looks that way in this movie, though.
I don't know if when they were making masks they
use the exact same mold like that, right, But but yeah,
I mean it's not it definitely, knowing what we know
about Halloween, it definitely feels like you're seeing a precursor
to the Halloween Mask, which is.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
Fun and uh, you also get weird eyeless baby John Travolta.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah, I didn't recognize him, to be totally honest.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
It's so you really don't get him like straight on
until almost the very end of the movie. So whenever
they're having the final confrontation, whenever Ernest Borgnine's up there
talking to Ernest Borgnine's his left right screen is Anton LeVay.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, Sandy recognized him either. I know hypothetically that beer
guys were in the movie beard beard.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
Bearded dude in golden mask. That's Anton Lavay, okay. And
then on the other side is an unrecognizable wax dude
with no eyes, and that is John Tuble Okay.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Oh my god, it's so weird.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
But well it's supposedly I've never read the book, but
there's a book about cult movies, and the guy who
wrote it called this the cultist cult movie a all
time because he said it is a cult movie with
a cult following about a cult And during the filming
of this movie, John Travolta was given a copy of Dianetics,

(20:12):
which led to him trying to get a.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Cult Jesus, how was Anton LeVay the least culty thing
in this right?

Speaker 4 (20:23):
So is this movie to blame if he didn't If
he doesn't do this movie, not become a scientologist.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
You might be right, because I've heard that too, that
this is where they got him. I forget who else
someone else on set was a scientologist.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
I think, Yeah, we haven't heard about scientologists really in
the past couple of years.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Too much other sh it's been going on. They fell
down the list.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, I'm was just gonna say, see, they're a horrible
cult with this awful, awful everything about them. Yeah, and
somehow this is so fucking irrelevant Yeah to the fucking
nightmare that we live in.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
So remember that David Miscavige's wife will Be had seen
her for a couple of years. Yeah, we all just
kind of forgot about that.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah, there's a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
Listens.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Things happen anyways. Uh yeah, I know. Did you guys
think that the the Cult members with the no eyes
and the blank faces were inspiration for the Bringers and
Buffy because I do they look that? I don't know,
I don't I can't confirm that in any way, but
from the looks of them, So I thought that was

(21:33):
that was fun that this movie may or may not
have inspired other things that came after it. The special
effects are really good all around though. They they look
really cool, and then when they melt they look really cool.
The goat makeup on her sport nine, I cannot just
they took like this actor who's well respected and they
put them under goat make up. What you can act

(21:54):
through this, right? And He's like, fucking right, I can
how big I can get watch me be goat man.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Well, apparently Ernest borgnine does not like this movie.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Probably because they kept putting him in that makeup.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Well, no, for multiple reasons. Number one, he seems to
think that the movie sucks a little bit aside, but
aside from that, he's told this story in public a
bunch of times that he said this movie was funded
with mob money, like somebody took a loan from a
loan shark, and that he never got paid for the

(22:31):
work he did on this movie.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, that's a good reason not to like it. But
it's also like it's really sad because he clearly puts
the effort in, Like he clearly does the work in
this movie. He's like when he's giving his speeches, it's
like Red State level of like having this evil guy
gives speeches at the front of the room. And then
then he turns into goat man and has to act

(22:56):
through that makeup and does a great job again. So
it's like, you know, there's he plays like the the
main bad guy, then he's the goat man version of
that main bad guy. Then there's the flashback to when
he was a pilgrim and he's the bad guy there,
and it's all the same character technically, but it's kind
of three versions of the character. That's not an easy

(23:17):
thing to do, I don't think. So to do all
that and then not get paid, yeah, I'd be pissed.
I'd like to act surprise that the seventies Hollywood somebody
was borrowing the money from the mafia. But I don't
even question the story.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
Yeah, I don't know all the stuff I've read. Every
time you hear something about this movie, it's some quote
from one of the actors in the movie getting asked
about it and then saying something like that, Like John Travolta,
at one point they asked him about this movie, he goes, oh, yeah,
that movie sucks, or something like.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
I feel like this is the kind of movie that
gets no respect though, because it's obviously not going to
appeal to a mainstream audience, right. I mean, when you
say the word goat man, I think a lot of
people already decide whether they like the movie or not
based on that.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
And you know, specifically Ernest Borgnine is a goat man.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah, but I think like we live in a kind
of an ecosphere where it's like, yeah, we just assume
that this is going to be a great thing. But
what do you say going on the street and stop
somebody asking them if they want to see Ernest borgnine
is a goat man, and see how they react to that.
I'm not sure it's going to go over as well.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
Going to work tomorrow, Jesus, going to work tomorrow my
PBS station. But like he does, somebody want to watch
a movie at Ernest borgnine is a goat man? And
everybody talking about.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
I feel like with modern audiences, ninety percent of them
are going to go who Ernest, I want you to
die WORKII.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
There's a lot of old people that work there.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
I will. I got my first stay back in the
office coming up here. Oh maybe I'm gonna try this.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
See how it goes anybody Ernest park nine gut man
like Doug, he's the He's another vacation. It's obviously not
right in the head.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Get myself put on some sort of weird medical leave
until it's time for me to go back on either leave.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Tom Scarett, Tom Scatt was pretty good.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Turns out Tom Skarett's a pretty good actor.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Right.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
I was gonna say, I don't nobody is bad in
this movie.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
You know what I was gonna say about Tom Scarett,
Is it definitely looks like Tom Scarett in the mid seventies.
Looked exactly like grown up, mature, responsible Tom Skarett that
we all know from the eighties. And then somebody was like,
you have to look scruffy like a hippie for this movie.
So he just didn't trim his mustache or comb his
hair for like two weeks prior to filming. It's just

(25:53):
like he just it was just like, uh, yeah, this
is scruffy me.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Trust me, those gets see along my hair is.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
It's just yeah. Just it seemed like, yeah, like if
he just slicked his hair back and trimmed his mustache,
he'd be his top gun character. But it's a good
it's a good, solid performance, and he has to do
the like ridiculous, like horror movie thing where he's like
running through a house fighting guys with no eyes and stuff,
and he treats it all very like straightforward, and I

(26:24):
think he does an excellent job of selling it, which
is an accomplishment for an actor, especially in that era
where it was like, I don't know, like there was
still like a little bit of that sixties atmosphere going
on in Hollywood where it's like you could have gone
away with being over the top and campy, and they
chose not to be.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Do you have any other favorite scenes?

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Now?

Speaker 5 (26:48):
Oh shit, I don't know. The like, there's a lot
of good satany shit that I would call like not
necessarily references to seventieses, because this is a seventies boy,
but it's got that. I don't know. They're almost like cliches,
but they're good cliches. Where there's the scene where Shatner's

(27:12):
tied to the cross and they're harassing him and the
sexy lady comes in and kisses him, and then it's
his mom so nasty, but that's good. That's good. Yeah,
but that's good Satan shit, you know what I mean.
But that's right on the money.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
It's shirtless William Shatner hanging from across well, he's tortured
by guys with no eyes and his own mom kisses him.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
With me again, it's a Thursday for William Shatner.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, in our echo chamber, that's an automatically good thing.
I'm not sure you want to recommend that too, you know.
If people are like, oh, I used to see Star
Trek sometimes on reruns. What else is that boy been?
In Did they watch this? It might not over so well?

Speaker 4 (28:03):
What was that film we saw last year in Saint
Louis Noah, Impulse?

Speaker 5 (28:07):
Is that the name of it that sounds right? Impulse?

Speaker 4 (28:11):
Shatner fights that karate guy in the parking lot.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Jesus fucking Christ.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Shatters had a wacky career, man, if you just go
over the stuff we've talked about on this podcast, where
he's been everything from like a horrible, horrible racist to
a guy that fights spiders to this, Like.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
I feel like William Shatner's non mainstream roles are better
than anything mainstream he's ever done, Like Star Trek. Yeah, yeah,
it's great, But as you said, Shatner shirtless tied to
a cross kissed by his mother way better. Oh yeah,

(28:54):
the news director of a TV station where Michael Ironside
is killing nurses in the hospit little Yeah, that's gonna
be my choice.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Oh I forgot about that one. Shanner just keeps finding
his way back onto the podcast. Wacky weird shit, right.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
I mean that could be like his fucking tagline, William
Shanner wacky weird shit.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Uh some imn'd assume recommend for everybody.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, I mean, you had me a goat Man, right,
like I would say that if well, it's kind of
late to say that now, I would have I would
have maybe said we should have recommended people watch it
before listening to our conversation so that things like the
goat Man can be a surprise, because I remember the

(29:48):
first time I saw this, I went in blind and
goat Man showed up and I was so overjoyed.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
It's just.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
So I believe last week we said we this movie
because of goat Man and the trailer.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
So yeah, yeah, I mean I've seen the trailer so
many times at the drive in and I was like,
I got to it's been too long.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, I will say, having not seen this since the
last time I podcasted about it, which was I don't know,
but where are we at three hundred and sixty episodes
of this, it was it's about forty five weeks before that,
it was halfway through the run of the previous podcast.
But yeah, it going into it like now, not remembering

(30:35):
the plot and only remembering the visuals. I thought all
the plot elements of it worked better than I expected.
I think that'd be the compliment I would give the film,
like the special effects are great. You can find them
on YouTube if that's all you want. You know, goat
Man is awesome. The performances from the three main leads
are all good. But I was surprised how well the

(30:58):
flow of the movie worked, considering the non traditional storytelling
and the sort of like there's a climax and then
the story starts if that makes it, but it I
thought it flowed really well. I thought the stuff where
Tom Skarett is like investigating and working with like his
wife or whoever that is that's with him. It's the seventies,

(31:20):
so it was either a wife or a reporter from
the local paper. Either way of those characters were very
interchangeable back then. Yeah, I thought all that worked way
better than I anticipated enjoying it, which is it's a
compliment to the film. It's it's actually a good movie
that happens to have a goat band in it. I
would recommended if all that stuff sucked and the Goatman

(31:42):
was still in it, I would still recommend the movie,
but I don't have to make excuses for recommending it.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
One of my favorite scenes that I remember is Ernest
borgnine as the Pilgrim version of himself. Yeah, calling a
pilgrim woman a slut and then backhanding air yeah, which
I almost grabbed for the soundboard, but I can retally
forgot to do it. Ah, it's been a couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
I would love it if every time no, we's got
out of line you just called them a slut neer
earth organized voice. He really does lean into it though.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. We'll just no.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
All right, Well, Doug, do you want to break down
the abominabal doctor Fibes.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, So these people are being killed off in unique
and interesting ways, and it turns out it's because they
were responsible for the death of doctor Fibbes's wife and
injuring him so he can no longer speak, and so
he's just killing them off in unique ways. Well, then
going back and playing his organ and melting wax statues

(32:56):
of them somehow again, melting people is apparently the backup
theme for Are we Sure? And then yeah, and then
Doctor Phibs is Vincent Price. And that's all you need
to know about this movie. It's not really deep in plot.
It's more about the visuals. It's more about the weird

(33:18):
scenes of him playing an organ it's more about him
like locking himself in a casket with his wife at
the end of the movie. If I understood that correctly, yep.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Each each one of the deaths references a one of
the ten plagues of Egypt.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yep, which we're told in dialogue. But do you guys,
just is that a thing that people just know the
ten plagues of Egypt? Like, I know that exists, but
I wouldn't recognize It's not like the Seven Deadly Sins, right,
I don't just know what the plagues were.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
I only know like two or three of them. I
feel like locusts, locus blood, death of the Firstborn.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
Burning hail.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Yeah, I think that frogs frogs in the.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Sky's that where the frogs this guy comes from?

Speaker 1 (34:07):
All right?

Speaker 4 (34:10):
I don't know. First time watched for you, Nope, second
time watch for me.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
It was the first time watched for me. You think
this is so fucking seventies, Like, what the fuck this movie?
But when this movie starts and it's him like in
technic color lighting, in that whatever the fuck place he's
supposed to be in this this fucking liminal space of

(34:41):
his fucking layer, uh with with like techno color in
his robot band like playing music, and I was like,
all right, yeah, I'm good, I'm in. I'm into this.
We're this is gonna be fine. Nothing bad could happen

(35:03):
for the rest of this movie. And then he and
then it's doing the weird shit where he's talking but
he's not talking, and I kept being like, what the
fuck is this? The fuck is happening? Is this in
his head? Isn't him thinking? Like, but you could tell
that his mouth is moving, you know what I mean,
Like his throat's moving like he's speaking, but his mouth's
not moving. What the fuck? And then you get the

(35:27):
reveal of that later and it's like, all right, now
I'm into that too.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
Yeah. I like that it has a nice little phonograph
and he just has an ox cable that just goes
up and plugs right into his neck.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
That's revolutionary technology at the time.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
I really like this movie. This movie is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
It's weirdly for a movie that has like it's about
a guy' murdering ten people and then playing the organ,
it's surprisingly easy to watch. It goes down smooth. Is
that a weird thing to say about a movie? No?

Speaker 4 (36:07):
Because I mean, at first you're like, well, I don't
know why these people are being killed, but each individual
way is pretty good. And then you find out that,
you know, I mean, maybe it's going a little overboard,
but why not.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
It's it's it's a revenge movie.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, and uh yeah, just all of the ten Plagues
something just like this is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
I think the thing is this movie is it's like
an API picture, And they were sort of like the PG.
Thirteen version of Hammer in the seventies, where it was
just like making these like fun, bright, vibrant pictures that
are objectively horror movies, but also are they really like
it's you know what I mean? Yeah, like it's yeah,

(36:52):
it's it's horrific to describe a guy who is so
ecstatic after each murder that he has to go home
and play the piano and sing with his robot band
and melt an effigy of the person he's murdered. You
know that sounds horrific, but when you're watching it in
the movie, it's so lighthearted and fun that you're just like, yeah,

(37:14):
good for him, look at him. I wonder how he
learned that song with the organ.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
Get him, Get him good, Doctor Fabs it's yeah, Like
it's just I don't know.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
But the only thing that would have made this movie better,
which almost happened, was that originally Peter Kushing was supposed
to play the doctor, like the main antagonist. Oh really whoever,
but he had a bow out because he is wife
was sick, so he was replaced.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
Could you imagine this film with a little more hammer
juice in.

Speaker 6 (37:49):
It, just just a little bit more Well, this movie
became at a great time too, where it was I
think we've probably talked about this in the past, but
thencent Price just figured out how to take his nineteen fifties.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Style acting and just turn it up just a little
bit to become campy seventies acting, even though it was
considered serious acting ten years earlier. He nails it in
this movie because he's just that right level of over
the top for you to just smile every time he's
on camera.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Just I don't know the fact that all of his
kills are like James Bond villains trying to torture James
Bond kills.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
He's way more successful though, right, I mean, he.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
Refrigerates that guy to death in a in a fucking car.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
You say that like it's unusual.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
Yeah, the fucking and like the last one, dude, the
acid coming down, the giant curly straw device or whatever
the fuck that is, and just him walking around it
being like, hmm, look at this setup.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Just uh dumps locusts into that guy's room and they
just eat his face off.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Man, that might be my favorite one because he's just
like a like a vent just like dumping locusts, and
you're like, in a different movie, we'd have questions about
where he got so many locusts.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
But Bats Bats is pretty good too.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yep. It does kind of presuppose that all of these
animals he uses and insects are in on it with him,
because they do become very violent, very easily. Yeah, I
mean you can presume that I have no problem with
that logic.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
I'm trying to I'm trying to think of other ones.
The dude's head getting crushed by the frog mask is
fucking right, yeah, like like it's legit in a movie
that is like silly, silly seventies horror, that's like legit horrific.
You're like, oh Jesus fucking Christ. It goes for a
long time, like just slowly ratcheting on his dad as

(40:04):
he screams, and everybody's just like, what is this drunk
dude doing.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
I think that's my favorite kill because it looks like
it really really hurts the actor to have to go
through that. I appreciate that, you know.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Interestingly, some of these kills are almost like pre saw asque,
like the frog mask just tightening around that dude's head. Yeah,
and then sort of the final one where doctor Phibes
has taken the time to implant a key near this
kid's heart and then his dad is going to have
to operate on him to get it out, and he

(40:37):
better hope he does it right, because if not, he's
gonna kill his kid.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
I mean, it's it's the thing is that sounds so
dark when you say it, and I'm like, as you're
saying it, I'm smiling because I'm remembering how lighthearted it
was in the movie, and which I enjoyed just sitting
and watching this movie.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Yeah, and I also just imagine like Bill Hayter doing
Vincent Price, like explaining to the doctor like, oh no,
you better hurry doctor before the acid goes down to
curly straw.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
Spiders. M Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
I really like this movie. This movie is a lot
of fun. The giant sets are amazing, is no. I
kind of pointed out the uh, him and his wife
just like intubing themselves into like this giant sarcophagus and
then like do they like sail off at the end
or do they just not just nobody find them? I

(41:37):
can't remember what happens.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
They they he does that thing where he like falls
into the coffin and it begins embalming him and then
it like goes down flush with the floor so they
can't find him.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, that's exactly.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
So the concept is that he just wants to be
bombed with his wife, and their dead bodies will be
under the floor of that non descript room that he's
been in throughout the movie.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Yeah. Yeah, he's murdered. He's murdered all of the people
that he needed to murder, and now he's gonna die.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Yeah yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Mean, I guess, but the most revenge movies don't end
with the person just deciding now that I've gotten my revenge,
I suppose I should just live under this floor for
the next thirty seconds while I'm embalmed alive. Like that's
still unusual behavior.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Well, I mean, if it makes you feel any better.
There is a sequel that was released one year after this.
I don't remember enjoying it nearly as much, but yeah,
he wakes up, he's he's unembalmed, and then goes to
Egypt to try to get eternal life.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
So yeah, I've only seen the sequel once. It's a
long time ago.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
No, yeah, me too.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
So so basically, of all of his Rube Goldbergian murder plots,
the one that doesn't work as himself crush or it
worked just enough?

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Does anybody really like does? He never describes his goal,
so maybe the goal was to look dead, not actually
be dead. Any word, was very successful at it. I'm
trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because
it's been surprised and he's funny as hell.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
So any o their favorite parts?

Speaker 3 (43:23):
No, I mean I don't. I feel like we haven't
talked about the Robot band enough.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
But I don't know what about them.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
And it is weird. Well, and his weird assistant, Nurse Chick,
who's like the most undefined human being ever to be
put on film, Like we talk about one dimensional female characters,
and she actually is that, she actually is the thing
that people claim other things are.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Well, she's supposed to be like a supposed to be
a robot like the band, right, I.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
Don't know, she gets she gets melted at the end.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
You remember you remember when the syrup the syrup gets
on her and she's like.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Ah, that's right. So she looks up and does that
whole like oh no.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
In the face, although she does kind of do the
Austin Powers Zamboni thing where she looks up she knows
what's gonna happen, and she screams before it hits her,
and it's like, just move.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
You have time to scream, You have time to move. No,
all right.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Yeah, if you haven't seen The Bottle of Dock Vibes,
definitely check it out.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
It's yeah, again, it's not for everybody. If you're the
kind of person who's going to be like, what kind
of room is he in? Anyway, Look, this movie's not
going to give you answers like that, there's a robot band,
there's a big organ, his dead wife's in a casket
and it'll be under the floor later. It's fine, right,
just go with it. But you know, if you know,

(44:56):
if you're comfortable with that, then I think you'll enjoy
this movie. That's what it comes to.

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Speaker 4 (45:32):
So it's been a couple of weeks. What does everybody
watch since last episode?

Speaker 5 (45:37):
Things? So I did go to the theater and do
a little double movie day. I saw nobody too, all right,
because I very much enjoyed the first one, so why
not see the second? I would say not as good
as the first one, but because of like the nature

(46:01):
of the movie, I don't I don't know how you
don't be worse than the first one. That makes sense.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
I agree with that. I think the first one is
just the shock value of it really helps it. And
I think that you're you can't recapture that with the
second movie, right?

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (46:20):
Sure? But so what I would say is, normally, I
don't know what's what's your return to value on a
sequel of this kind, I would say, normally your quality
is dropping like by half, right, yeah, And I would
say this movie's more like the quality drops by about
fifteen percent. So it's not as Yeah, it's not as

(46:43):
good as the first one, but it's still fun. It's
still got all the stuff that you liked, and they
still find a way to like make all the story relevant.
I won't go too deep into the plot because I
think the trailer pretty much shows you what goes on.
He goes well, he owes money from burning all that

(47:07):
mob money in the first movie, first movie, which of
course he borrows from the government or something, and now
they're forcing him to do the things that he does
to earn his way back out. Then he kind of
has a breakdown. They set up at the beginning of
the movie that he's got his relationship with his family's

(47:28):
becoming more and more strained because he's working too much. Essentially,
like every time he goes on one of these missions,
he ends up not coming home until nine o'clock at night,
and it's you know, his wife sitting at the dinner table,
getting angry and him apologizing over and over. He decides
to tell them to fuck off because he needs to
take a vacation for a bit. And he decides to

(47:51):
take them to this Middle America theme park town which
is sort of like Branson, Missouri, are like Pigeon Forde,
you known any one of those places, which is the
only place his dad ever took him and his brother
on vacation, and so it's the place that he has
all these good memories of and he wants to do

(48:12):
that for his family. But it turns out his dad,
who as you recall from the first movie, is the psychopath,
he's not there to take them on a vacation, and
the town is horrible and overrun with gangsters and all
this kind of stuff, and so yeah, so he just
tries to have a vacation and people fuck with him
and then he fucking destroys everything, very similar to the

(48:33):
first movie, and like the formula is the same too,
Like there's this build up, build up, build up, confrontation, confrontation,
and then he goes fuck it. And then we have
the end of the movie, which is a giant, over
the top super battle between him and these.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
People that was. I mean, that's that's what you want, right,
Like if they you know what I mean, You don't
want them doing an in depth like character study to
find out more about the backstory of this guy. You
want a repeated the first movie.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
So yeah, yeah, But like I said, I I really don't.
I can't complain about it. Could could it be a
better movie? Yeah, it'd be hard. I don't. I don't
know how you do it. I don't know how you
make it. Yeah, because I think the same thing about
John Wick. And we're on the fifth fucking John Wick movie.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
You know. Yeah, I would say with John Wick to me,
like they started adding backstory and that hurt the film,
Like you know what I mean, I as right, I
think the sequel should have been somebody killed this cat.
He's like, fuck, not again, and then they just repeat
the first movie.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Uh yeah. Yeah. So so that's where I'm at with that. No,
like I said, no major complaints. Then I saw weapons
as yeah, which I know Doug was want I guess
to see.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
It was interesting. So I I think kind of a
lot of the stuff that you were saying, I'm on
the same page with it. So it's not Barbarian, right,
so Barbarian. I don't have fucking anything bad to say
about Barbarian at all. Ever. Okay, I feel like this
movie has wasted screen time occasionally, which I don't think

(50:21):
helps it. Can you be more specific, there's just there's
like a so the build up is super fucking slow
in the first part of the movie, which is a
lot of the movie. I mean it's like the first
half of the movie is slow as dog shit. Yeah yeah, yeah,
and the rate of you need spooky things to keep

(50:46):
telling you that you're in a spooky movie, right, and
Barbarian does that very well. Of there's always spooky shit.
The spooky shit's just changing as the movie progresses, and
that's not what the movie does.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
So that's what I think. One of my complaints with
the movie was like the dream sequence with the fucking
Thanos when he has his dream sequence and he sees
the gun over the house and stuff, and I think
I think they were trying to do interject weird spooky
things so you wouldn't know what's going on and like, oh,

(51:22):
what does this mean and what does that mean? And
I don't think it quite works.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
Yeah, one one hundred, So the gun over the house.
What in the sweet fuck? And I get it. It's
a weapon, right, that's the whole thing. But it's a
it's a weapon. It's get it. The movie's called weapons.
They're weaponizing people and it's a weapon. It's not that good.

(51:48):
That's for how good of a filmmaker the filmmaker is.
That's not good filmmaking.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Yeah. I feel like it's the attempt to because at
that point in the film, you still don't know what's
going on, and the idea is to put these like
sort of red herrings out there, like what could it be?
Could it be something to do with this or something
to do with that, And then you're like, no, that
was just a dream he had and you're just like I.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
Don't yeah, and which him having a weird dreams fine too.
It was long too much?

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Yeah, yeah, too much.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
I agree with the It didn't make a whole lot
of sense, and you can take it out and it
wouldn't really change a whole lot. I did, really, I
did listen to some podcasts that they were talking about
how maybe it's like a uh something that's supposed to
clue the audience in that uh essentially what everybody is

(52:46):
living through is what people in real life sort of
live through after school shooting. And since Josh Brolin's kid
is like the bully kid at school, he's having like
this weird guilt, like did I do enough to not
make my kid an asshole? And then all this shit happened.
Even though the kid's not responsible, it's still just like

(53:08):
what the fuck is going on? And I can see
like that, like everybody is essentially mourning everything as you
would as school shooting, where everybody's questioning who's responsible, So
the teacher responsible or the parents responsible, Why aren't the
police doing anything, et cetera, et cetera. I don't know
if that messaging really had to be in the movie.

(53:30):
You could have done that without the giant gun in
the sky.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
But yeah, and I actually think, like, like the idea
of them all mourning and turning on each other the
way people do in the aftermath of a school shooting
is it's interesting to see that put into this movie.
But it's also like, like you said, his kid's not
responsible for the violence, so why would he be seeing
the gun? You know what I mean? He doesn't There

(53:55):
is no reason. There is no reason for him if anything,
it would be the kid they blame is the kid
that survived, right, So it's like it doesn't quite hold up.
And I do think it's an interesting idea to take
a phenomenon that's happening in our world, whether we like
it or not, which is that every now and again

(54:15):
in town has to deal with the fact that a
bunch of kids are killed and everyone starts pointing their
fingers blaming different people, and nobody does anything about it.
That's just part of day to day life right now,
at least for you guys, and the rest of the
world gets to see it on TV. Right So the
idea of taking that atmosphere and using it in a

(54:37):
movie is a good one, I think. I don't think,
you know, necessarily, this movie's not it's not a one
to one parallel and it's not asking you to it's
not trying to draw you to the same sorts of
conclusions that you should come to if you were having
an actual discussion about that. But it's something you can
tap into in our society that people can relate to,
where it's like, I don't know that a mainstream audience

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like this movie has made five hundred million dollars or
something at this point, like it's made so much money.
Like normal human beings are going to see this movie.
It's not just us, right, And I don't think they're
going to pick up on the metaphor, but they're going
to be able to relate to it on a subconscious
level in a way that you know, So that instinct
is really good and it's really well done. Is the

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gun and the sky related to that? I don't know
if it is. It's a mistake. I can't think of
a way that that gun in the sky isn't a mistake. Yeah,
Like I can't justify it in any way.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
No, you can easily edit that five seconds out and
it doesn't change.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Anything well, and you can't edit down that whole sequence.
I think that's what Noah's saying is it's depending on
your level of patience. That sequence is objectively a little
too long. It's not as well executed as some of
the other parts of the film, and if you shrunk
it down, the movie might get better.

Speaker 5 (55:56):
Yeah. And then one other complaint I have is that
the a lot of the reveals eventually set up a
situation where you're like, so is everybody in this town
fucking stupid. Like, I'm not saying like it isn't a

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wild I'm not saying people should be like it's a witch.
You know, that's a that's a crazy idea, right, But
at the same time, like Josh Brolin's big contribution is, oh, look,
they're running in a straight line. What if we just
draw a straight line and see where they were running to?
And it's like, so none of the cops did that.

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None of the cops did that and went, oh, look
that the one kid that survived, they were running toward
his house. Like it's just fucking crazy that that's and
I get it. They do search the house and whatever,
they have the kids hiding in the fucking shitter the
woods or where the fuck sheet, yeah, sends them off to.

(57:01):
But you're like they didn't, like they never went back,
Like the cops never went back and never double checked,
never followed up. Yeah, it's all very strange.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
And also the Josh brawl in theory doesn't hold a
whole lot of water because if you watch the scenes
where we actually see the kids arrive at the house,
they're all coming most of them come running from around
a corner, so they're not running in a straight line.
Oh really, Okay, you see down at the far end
of the street, they come around the corner and then

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run straight up the street and into the house. I'm like,
so that's oh straight line thing, many damn sense.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
Well, but the straight line is also not correct because
like the lines intersected a house and that's not his house.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
The other person points it out. She's like, but this
house right over here, like two houses down, is his house.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (57:50):
But yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Like I said,
there's just moments in the movie where I'm like, yeah,
is everybody just the fucking stupidest dog? Shit?

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Is that?

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Because it feels like they're not. I don't know. The
stuff that's not happening in the town is just bizarre
to me.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
But it's a horror movie. Like you think, sure, the
cops go to check out the house, the witch uses
her powers to convince them that everything's fine and that
they should just leave her alone, and then they do,
and you think that the cops should do a follow
up call, And that's your complaint. It is a horror movie.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
Sure, well, and also a random aunt that nobody knows
and that has no actual power of attorney or anything.
For the Sun shows up saying that he had a
stroke and that she's staying with them to help, but
that he's got a wife who's the legal guardian. She

(58:47):
needs to be there to confirm that stuff, and what's
she going to do? Go, Well, they both had strokes.
It was a double stroke. Contagious strokes. That's what that
you know what I mean, I don't know that that
kind of stuff is just again, are they idiots? Like
are they fucking stupid? Like that's like you'd have to
be real fucking dumb not to check with the kid's mom.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
I mean, but you're one step away from your one
step away from why don't the cops at Crystal Lake,
Like at the end of part two, Jason's just alive
and out there and they don't sweep the woods and
find him and track him down and arrest him. And
you're like, well, we needed nine more movies, so they
didn't do that. Like it's.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
I don't know, sure, but that's not like the plot
of the movie, right, That's what I'm saying, Like the
plot of this movie is is the mystery is the
fact that it's an unsolved crime that they're having problems solving,
but they're not taking basic steps to solve the crime,
which makes it a weird mystery.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
I think. But what you're talking about as basic steps
are I think it'd be surprisingly evil easy if you
showed up and we're like, here's the kid's dad. He
had a stroke and he's acting like he had a stroke,
and so I'm here to help out. I think it
would be shockingly easy to get away with that. Like
in the United States, I take kids places and if

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you like, they just go to the kid. Is that
when you're dad? Yep, Okay, that's how it works.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
Like I was gonna say here, you can't do jack
shit without parental consent.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
It's right, but they say they have it and from
who from the dad from a stroke?

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
Well, but what I'm saying is he can't give consent.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
He's had a stroke, right, But he's saying the aunt
is saying, oh no, we're good. In the school is
just being like, oh okay.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
Yeah, the aunt's saying, yeah, we're good. But that's not
the way it works. He's got a mom, a legal
guardian that they know exists, who they've all spoken to before.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
I think you're nitpicking that it is it is.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
It is a little nitpicky, But again, I wouldn't be
this nitpicky if it wasn't a movie that was a
mystery that's supposed to be mysterious. The mystery becomes less
mysterious if everyone's just going, yeah, okay, oh my god,
why haven't they found these kids because they don't give
a shit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
But I mean, in keeping with the metaphor of what
happens after school shootings, I mean, incompetent comps is kind
of part of that, right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
Sure, sure if they if that's what this movie is,
that it's some kind of metaphor for school shootings, which
I if it. If it is, I feel like that's
a weirdly thin.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Like I said, I don't think it's a I don't
think it's I don't think it's a direct like a
direct metaphor. But I think they're using it, and I
think they're using the public perception that cops are useless
and don't actually like how many what percentage of crimes
actually get solved by cops? I definitely not that high,
Like it's not as high as we like to think
it is. You know, I was.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
Gonna say before before we get to uh crazy witch ship,
which is or of this movie is awesome. The only
the only thing that sucks about this movie is the
fact that I don't get a thousand percent more witch shit.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Because it's good.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
She's scary, she's a good villain, she's spooky.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
She's weird, just so fucking weird.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
Yeah, it's so fucking weird to makeup. It's amazing everything
about it. But before we get to that, my favorite
section of the movie is the fucking husband, the fucking cop,
the cheats on his wife. Jesus fucking Christ. That part
of the movie, it's just so fucking good of just him,

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you know, at first trying to be like no, I'm
such a good guy, and then you're like, hey, you're
a piece of shit.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
But he's the moment when he's like harassing like the
homeless kid and he puts his hand in his pocket
and he gets stabbed with something, and then he just
knocks the kid out, and then he's just kneeling down
in front of the kid and he's just like, look
the way I see it. You didn't tell me about
the thing in your pocket. I punched you, or even
as long as you stay away from me, we can.
I'll let you go and you don't report me. Deal.

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It's like, what the fuck? Where do you get off? Well?

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
And then there's that great so the again, we do
the fast forward, we jump around. It's okay, his wife
has caught him cheating. His boss is his father in law.
So his career has fucked, his marriage as fucked. Everything
is fucked. He is royally screwed up. And he walks

(01:03:27):
out and he sees that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Guy, what did I fucking tell him? Then?

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Yeah, you know, what did I fucking tell you?

Speaker 5 (01:03:34):
Just that him immediately doing the same thing, Like the
problem was is that he lost his ship the first time,
and he just he fucking does it again.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
He's yeah, yeah, and it's like and then the kid,
he's one of my favorite kurds, like the Homeless Kid.
He's one of my favorite parts of this movie because
the whole movie he's just so stupid or he's just
like he like when he like when he figures out
because he breaks into the house and he figures out
that the kids are in the basement, and then he

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sees like the reward poster and he's like trying to
like he's trying to say, like I think I can
tell you where these kids are, but like how do
I get my money? And he's trying to figure out
how to process it, but he's so dumb. He's like,
just like there's kids in that basement, Just fucking call somebody.
But kid's there point right, like nobody's gonna nobody's gonna
charge you with breaking into that house after that, like

(01:04:26):
it's you know, it'll be fine, right, But it's like, uh,
he just can't handle it, And I love watching him
not be able to handle it because he's he doesn't
even know how to ask like the questions like when
I get the money in cash or like what.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
I just like that he expects that the police are
gonna show up with like money in a briefcase and
be like, well here you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Go, because it is it's like an idiot who's only
ever seen it on TV, right, and he thinks that's
how it works. But Yeah, I really like that kid.
I like this performance a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
You for good that the old kid, Yeah, the survivor
kid does very good.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
That's quality child acting. There's child acting has come a
long way. There's a lot of good child actors. Out
there now. I assume they're being abused in some way
to turn them into good actors, but.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Anything else as.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
No, no, that's it, and it is divisive. I have
had a couple of people like tell me that it
is a garbagehit movie and it's the worst thing I've
ever seen in all this kind of stuff, and I'm
just like, you're just wrong, Like it's I can understand
why somebody would watch this movie and go, that's not
for me. Yeah, But trying to be like, this movie

(01:05:53):
is the fucking this is troll too, you know, this
is the worst fucking thing that's ever It's like, chill
the fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
No, it's it's yeah, there's objective statements and then there's
subjective statements. This movie is probably not gonna be for everybody.
There's gonna be people who watch it and go the
tonal shifts throw me off. They're gonna get bored in
the first half. They're not gonna like the witch stuff
as much as we do. They're gonna think it's weird
when that lady walks into somebody's house and asks for

(01:06:22):
a bowl of water and they give it to her.
But like all that stuff is like stuff that appeals
to horror movie fans. That isn't gonna automatically appeal to
people outside of our realm. But it's all well done.
You can't. It's objectively true that it's good filmmaking point.
We've had our criticisms of it. It's not perfect. But

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you know, then that ending, like they obviously wanted that
it need to be batshit insane.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
But yeah, I was getting ready to bring that up.
So this movie, whatever, It's got comedic moments, but a
lot of the comedic moments are like dark comedy comedic moments,
right the cop punching the guy in the side of
the face. It's supposed to be horrible, and you laugh

(01:07:12):
despite it being horrible, Like you know what I mean
the ending spoiler alert you way skip this. I mean,
I suppose we've spoiled most of it anyway, but yeah,
this when when the kid sends the Horde of Children
after the witch and she immediately goes from a competent,

(01:07:34):
terrifying villain to going, ah like a cartoon character, you
know what I mean, Like she turns it turns into
a fucking Looney Tunes cartoon. And what is happening is
legitimately horrifying, Like it is children who are going to
fucking kill you if they get a hold of you,

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and they have not just child energy, but whatever her
weird witch magic. Child energy is where they will run
until their hearts explode, you know what I mean. And
that is scary. Not a second of it is scary
because of her going, oh Davis, a fuck fucky ah,
your little shit. You're as hard at all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
The way they Ferris Bueler their way through that neighborhood.
I have no time to stop and think about what's
going on. You're just like love it every minute of it,
running through people's houses and backyards and shit, oh so good.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
Yeah, and again I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying
it's a different movie. Like that's different the ending. The
ending to this movie is not the ending to weapons.
It is the ending to fucking I don't know, Leslie
Nilsen's rolled balls the Witches.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
I'm gonna push back on you a little bit like it.
It's definitely the most over the top moment in the movie,
but the scenes of the principal character chasing them around
are definitely similar. Vibes not as big a deal because
it's one guy chasing and it's more serious, but it's
not completely serious.

Speaker 5 (01:09:08):
Well you see, but again it went from dark comedy
to slapstick. They're just not the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
But I think it went gradually there. I don't think
it's a complete shift. I think that like the scenes
of her are like doing all her stuff at Wong's house,
where she's like, you know, she asks for the ball
of water and she starts doing all that shit. All
that is kind of leading us towards this ending when
you watch when it is a leap at the end,

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it's the climax of the film. It's going to be
more over the top than the rest of the movie,
but it's not completely out of nowhere either, because there
is even like some funny moments early on, like when
whatever the lead actress, when she gets attacked in the
liquor store and you think she's like under siege and
it turns out it's just the wife of the cop
that she slept with, and you're like, like that's pretty

(01:10:02):
funny and not in a dark comedy way, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:08):
I saw people are were lamenting on Long and his
husband and they're like, those dudes had the best afternoon
planned they were all sitting down on their recliners. They
had seven hot dogs and a bunch of snacks on
a tray. They were about to just chill out and
have a good time, and then this fucking lady shows up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Yeah. Typical. Typical, Like it doesn't matter if you're talking
about straight men game and it's nothing about you're talking
about a normal woman or a witch. It's like two
dudes just trying to brow out have a good time.
They just got to show up and ruin it. Man,
That's how it always is.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
They got their sort of matching mickey and mini shirts on,
like they're they're they're down for a nice relaxing afternoon,
just eating some hot dogs, watching some sports.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
There was something really funny to me about the fact
that they had just a ship ton of hot dogs there.
I don't know, I don't know why I found.

Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
It so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Hot dogs, Like this is way too many hot dogs
for two people.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
I don't know. Mann Again, I'm like, like hot dogs
myself probably and the skinnier dude could eat three of them.
That makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
I mean, like, don't get me wrong, if if I
were there and somebody had that many hot dogs there
wouldn't be left over hot dogs. I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying I wouldn't choose to create that many
hot dogs.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
No, it got all skinny, and he can't. He can't
see portions like that anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
I just can't eat portions like that anymore. There's too
many hot dogs.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
There's no such phrase as too many hot dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
I'm not even a hot dog guy. But once there's
a hot dog there, what's there?

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
And those actually look pretty good too, I.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Don't think that's relevant. Last time I ate a bunch
of hot dogs was a dollar hot dog night.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Trust me. I had a hot dog at a campground
over the weekend and it was the worst three dollars
hot dog I've ever bought. And I'm just like, man,
this thing costs twice the twice the cost of a
Costco hot dog. Costco to hot dogs are way better.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Right Anyways, That's that's our analysis of weapons. The Costco
hot dogs are way better.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
What else did you watch? Noah?

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
Uh? And then of course this weekend I went and
saw the toxic convenger. I'm not gonna fucking miss that.
I've been waiting since September of twenty twenty fucking three
since it premiered.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
I had no idea it came out way back in
twenty twenty three.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
Yeah, I played some film festivals and nobody picked it
up for some reason.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
It played, it played in film festivals and got great
reviews at all the film.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
Festivals, nothing but positive reviews.

Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
It's yeah, I just can't Why was it such a
fun nightmare to get this fucking distribute.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
I think a lot of studios were like, well, like,
it's good, but we're gonna have to release it unrated,
which for a lot of places is like, which means
we're not gonna be able to advertise in a lot
of the usual places we advertise.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Well, I will say, like, I'm seeing people post about
it on social media and then the number one comment
is wait, they remade the Toxic Avenger. And when I
went and saw it coming out of the theater, there
was people just because I went to the downtown theater
like the my indie theater, and there's just people walking
by the street seeing the poster and being surprised to

(01:13:40):
find out it's there. So like, in my experience, there's
a lot of people who don't know about this movie
because it is hard to market.

Speaker 5 (01:13:48):
Yeah, well they also, I don't know, quit showing trailers
for it two years ago after it premiered, Like the
whole thing. This is just a fucking failure of everything.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
I don't In the last couple of months, I've been
trying to avoid seeing things about this movie, and it's
been difficult for me to avoid seeking So the targeted
marketing has been on point because they've been trying to
get me to go see this movie. I'd already decided
to go see and it would be like, what are
you going to do with this movie? You're not You're
not going to put it like trailers on CBS to

(01:14:23):
attract like mainstream television audiences, Like what do you do?

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
I thought you just put up a fucking trailer that
says Dick Jokes, Peter Dinklice, Kevin Bacon, Elijah Wood, Elijah Wood.
It's not as much of a draw anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
But you know that I made it all the way
into the theater without knowing Elijah Wood was in, so
he showed up on screen that shit of.

Speaker 5 (01:14:49):
All the casting, like, Elijah Wood was the first person
I knew that got like attached to the movie because
he was all fucking over it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
And maybe I knew that in twenty twenty two and
I just forgot, But.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
Kevin Bacon being in this movie is the one that
kind of like, see.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Kevin Bacon is he makes I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:15:12):
This is well, he's also he's a paycheck actor, you
know what I mean, Like if you if you're paying
his fee?

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
This is this is the some of the stuff I
was thinking about during the movie number one, and I
think we've talked about here. Elijah Wood has Lord of
the Rings money, which is the best thing to ever
happen to him because he's like, now I can just
do whatever the fuck I want and it's gonna be
weird ass shit. And yes, I will be in the
Toxic Avenger remake cosplaying as the penguin from Batman Returns. Sure,

(01:15:41):
no problem. And then there's Kevin Bacon, who, within the
last ten or fifteen years, was like, why am I
taking myself so seriously? I was in Friday thirteenth. He
never wanted to talk about that movie, and then all
of a sudden one day he's like, what the fuck
am I doing? And now he's just like, yeah, weird
ass film. Yeah, sure, why not, I'll fucking be in it.
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
I don't know if it is a paycheck thing, because
he could. I don't know what he got paid for
this movie. I didn't do the research, but I feel
like he could make that much money doing normal movies
and not having to put on weird makeup and being
around sir. I'm sure, yeah, Like I'm sure this was
this was like a weird production. I can't imagine this

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was just like a normal day on set and it
was just a paycheck issue. He could go do a
three episode arc on some like whatever cop shows are
on the air now that I don't watch, you know
what I mean. So he's there's got to be a
reason why he's decided to do this weird shit. But
like it started back I guess maybe when he did

(01:16:41):
Super Is that is it that far back where he
just started going like I'm just going to embrace this,
do weird shit, and he's good at it. Like, so
I'm glad he does.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
Don't know, maybe everybody just loves making Blair and he's like, hey,
do you want to be in the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
He's like, sure, dude, Like maybe it could be as
simple as he's a nice guy behind the scenes, because
like I always joke that that's what happens with Kevin
Smith is like people meet him and he's just like,
I'll be in my movie, and they're just like everyone
from Chris Jericho to Chris Himsworth is like, yeah, sure, whatever,
you were nice to me, so I'll be in your
movie for a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Anyways, we haven't really got into what did we think
of the movie?

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
Well, it's awesome. Yeah, I mean, well, here's the thing.
I was like, I wonder how much they're going to
lean into the like traumadous of it. And the answer
is not as much as I hope, but way but
way more than I would have expected. I mean, they

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still pull their punches, like, like, listen, there is a
scene where like five girls show their tits in about
ten seconds. Yea, but like that's the only one and
the only reason why it's in there is to go
ha haa haa. We put tit in the movie. That's
a trauma movie, right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Sure, but it's also twenty twenty five. That's a joke
that works nowadays. Sure, I think they did a wonderful
job of updating the trauma idea for modern age. That's
where I think they nailed it with this movie, was
it's it's still cheesy, it's still ridiculous, but it's the

(01:18:24):
tone has shifted to match modern times. Because I did
watch the original before going in to see this, and
I was almost regretting it because of how much I
enjoyed watching the original, and I'm like, oh, I forgot
how good this is. I forgot how good good trauma is. Right,
But then I think Trauma kind of went full trauma
and screwed themselves over and a lot of the later

(01:18:46):
trauma is just shock humor after shock humor after shock humor,
and they forget to put the effort into the story
and the characters and the fun and the gore and
all that stuff. And I think this movie here, I
think they really kind of did capture that. Like, look,
it's cheesy, it's weird, you know, it's absurd, but also

(01:19:07):
there's effort there and there's heart there that you can't ignore.

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
I appreciate the amount of acting that fucking Peter Dinklage
puts into this movie. And I think they did that
on purpose too, because you know, everyone else is in
a silly movie. Oh yeah, except for Peter Dinklage whenever
he's not well, it's not him and the makeup, but
whenever it's not toxy right, right. I also find that

(01:19:34):
bullshit that uh, what's her face? Uh, that's her name,
Lisa Guerrera, whatever her name is. The girl who's in
the Toxi makeup doing all of the fucking acting for
ninety percent of the movie gets no fucking like billing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Yeah, that's how it works, though.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
Yeah, that's just it's just brutal.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
I don't know, it is unfortunate. It's really it's.

Speaker 5 (01:19:59):
Very abe sapeious.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Yes, true, No, it's it's Yeah, it's an unfortunate part
of Hollywood. That that's how that works, because she would
be treated as a stunt actor.

Speaker 5 (01:20:09):
Right, right, even though that's not remotely what what she's doing.
But I'll tell you what, the parts of it where
they go full trauma and they just go fucking you
know we're gonna do the gross jokes is so fucking good. Yeah,
I laughed any times. I am not a pervert. Now,
hold on, I got to piss on my own face.

(01:20:32):
This is so fucking good. Sort of the funniest sort
of the funniest things that's ever happened in a movie.
And I love the fact that throughout the movie they
established the fact that like, uh, oh god.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Damn it, his name isn't Melvin in this Winston.

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
Winston, that Winston's no good at fucking talking shit, and
so he keeps trying to like throw his one liners
and like even his sidekick girl's going, dude and stop.
That didn't work. It's bad. But you already said it.
They already said. Even Kevin Bacon said. Then he goes,
I already said it, and he goes, I already said
I was going to find out. You can't tell me.

(01:21:09):
I'm going to find out when I already said I
was going to find out.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
It's a great moment. But see, that's what I mean
about them updating the Trauma model, because Trauma would have
wouldn't have had that extra, that meta layer to the
humor where the other characters call him out, do you
know what I mean, Like Trauma would have just had
him say that. And again, in nineteen eighty four, comedy
was different than it is now, So you need to
update that model. But that's what I love about the

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way that they changed it just enough where it's like
it still captures the spirit of the original but modernizes
it in a way where the two can sit beside
each other on a shelf, and depending on what mood
you're in, you might want to watch one one day
and one the next day kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
Yeah, I I thought it was pretty fantastic. The I
feel like it still had the spirit of Trauma, but
the I mean, let's be real, Lloyd Kaufin, it's not
like the best director, but this is like the spirit
of Trauma, but like with a pretty decent director and

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way more money than Trauma usually gets, even though I
don't know what the budget is. I was trying to
look it up and I can't find it anywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:22:20):
I don't know if I could accept that. I think.
I think Lloyd Kaufman is a perfectly fine director. I
think that he got I think he got too into
his own success at a certain point in quit yeah,
making movies like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Yeah, like Lod Kaufin suffers from the same thing that
George Lucas suffers from, where you know, he got caught
up in his own success and thought, well, I can
just keep doing this and it's like, no, well, your
success came when you were When you watch the original
Toxic Avenger, there's something about that movie where it's like, yes,
it's ridiculous and it's crazy, but also so when you're

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watching in the background of that movie, there's always like
a b plot going on, right, There's just like there's
something weird happening in the background, whether it's like a
fat girl that doesn't want to work out with the
rest of her class, or it's like a really buff
guy working out with very very small weights, or a
fight breaking out for some reason that you don't know why.

(01:23:21):
Like that's always just happening in the background, And I
feel like that effort kind of went away with Later Trauma,
and they're like, oh, people like it when we do
grosso humor, so we'll just do grosso joke after gross
out joke after grossot joke without again putting the time
the effort into making something that works on a rewatch.

Speaker 5 (01:23:40):
Yeah, I was gonna say, speaking of those random jokes,
they did a very good job of this movie of
the what do they call it throw away voice, Yeah,
where they just like clearly it's obviously voiced over after
the fact that it's just somebody like saying something like
the parkour guy being like Ninja Flint. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
My favorite one is like when the doctor goes to
tell him what's wrong with his brain at the beginning
of the movie, like a construction work happens in the background,
so you don't hear what he says. And then when
he comes back and tells him that the mutation magically
cleared it all up, the same construction noise happens in
the background, and then somebody goes, oh, you fucked it
up twice.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
It's like.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
And I'm just like, it's it's so stupid, but it's
so fun, and they're just like, yeah, we're not gonna
write it a dialogue about what's wrong with his brain.
Brain broken now, brain not broken. That's all we need
to know.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
Yeah, I was trying to look it up.

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
Apparently so when they first announced they were doing remaking
twenty ten. Uh, this is back when arms Schwarzenegger wasn't
talk to me in the movie. What role he would
have played. This is right when he was coming back
out of being governor, so he was just kind of
for shit to do. But then he dropped out to
go make Terminator Genesis, which was a ship movie.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
It was a shit movie, but I'm kind of glad
that happened.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
Yeah, at some point they approached Kevin Smith to direct it,
but apparently he was not not on board with what
the studio wanted to do, which was to try to
marvelize it, I guess, and he is like no, no, no,
which is completely wrong, wrong tone.

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
Although the funny thing is is that kind of made.
I mean, it was a Marvel comic, So yeah, why not,
like you know what I mean kind of but why
not just lean into like maybe some of the alternative media,
like make a fucking you know what they could have
done that would have been fucking fantastic, and then you
don't have to worry about going full trauma. You make
a toxic Crusaders fucking movie and you just go, yeah,

(01:25:50):
but it's off the cartoon.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Yeah, that was never gonna happen. That option was never
on the table.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
It should have. It should have and the opening credit
it should have been half the movie in just the
fucking theme song playing over and over and over.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
They don't spend millions of dollars to make movies just
for one person to sit at home alone and laugh
while his two podcasts hosts get mad at him for making.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
Them watch them. Yeah, I don't know. I had a
good time. Me and three of my friends went to
see it, and then there was one other guy in
the theater, which is disappointing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Oh see my theater was like oh, and I went
sat at the indie theater. It was playing at the
mainstream theater as well, but it didn't seem right to me.
I'd like this, this should be at the indie theater
for this one. But if the theater was three quarters
full seven o'clock on a Saturday night, so this was.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
Four thirty on a Friday night, So maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
That's the issue. Maybe all the nerds hadn't gotten off
their jobs at the comic book stores so they couldn't
go to the movie. Shit, there was definitely like a
like when I say the theater was three quarters full,
half of those people were there by themselves. The other
half was like two dudes that look like us sitting
beside each other.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
Has the requisite. Lloyd Kaufman cameo at the end.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Yeah, what did you think of the two directors yelling
at each other? I enjoyed that it's shit.

Speaker 5 (01:27:22):
You heard me, it's shit.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Just Lloyd Kaufman, who stands to make a ton of
money off this movie on screen calling the movie shit
in the middle of the movie. That's very Lloyd Coffin
thing to do. But I did enjoy putting the tube
beside each other and having them get mad at each
other because I just like seeing either one of those
guys on screen too, right, so.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
So funny, Like go back and watch Blue ruin Green
Room and be like, he's going to direct the Toxic Avengery.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
You're like, what, Yeah, but go watch I Don't you
all safe in this world anymore? Or whatever it's called,
that ridiculously long titled movie with Elijah, wouldn't it, And
then go, well, that guy's going to direct the Toxic Mentory,
Like yeah, okay, that.

Speaker 8 (01:28:10):
Makes yeah, you know what the uh One of my
favorite jokes in this entire movie was is right at
the end, when they're getting ready to start.

Speaker 5 (01:28:20):
The final boss fight with whatever, goat Kevin Bacon with
an axe, sure whoever he is, whatever he is now,
and he goes, you're not so different. You and I.
I also like to scream every and then they just

(01:28:41):
start fighting.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
Did you guys think that maybe that was a tribute
to the Swamp Thing movie, the way that when he
turned into that weird monster thing at the end so
that you could fight the little green guy. Because that's
what it made me think of. You remember swamp Thing.
The guy turned into like a lion man or something,
and then he had a sword, so he just had
a sword for because how lions are known for carrying swords.

(01:29:05):
Then he fought the small thing. So this reminded me
a lot of that where I'm just like, you just
turned into this monster thing for no reason. Eh, And
he's got giant acts.

Speaker 5 (01:29:15):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
We should point out Jacob Tremblays in this too. He
was nominated for an oscar for one of his very
first movies.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Who is Jacob Tremblecause the posters and the movie made
it very clear that he's in this movie.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
And I don't know who he's the Sun.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
Okay, And he was nominated for an oscar for.

Speaker 4 (01:29:33):
What Room the movie the Brit Larson.

Speaker 6 (01:29:36):
Oh shit, yeah, I did not know that was the
same kid.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
He's the baseball boy and doctor Sleep. Yeah, all right,
he's he's a pretty good actor. And once again, somebody
just being like, dude, do you want to and they're like, yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
Well, I mean there has to be I mean, like
if you were if you could do whatever you wanted life,
and somebody's like want to be in the Toxic Convening,
it'd be hard to say. No, it's true.

Speaker 4 (01:30:07):
I'm just saying they got some good polls from this movie.

Speaker 5 (01:30:09):
Yeah, yeah, I will say my only complaint of the
entire movie, and this is a bit silly, but it's
got to be said. All the practical stuff in this
movie looks so fucking good and it's so fucking fun,
and they did all this weird visual shit and I'm like, yeah,
I'm into it. And then all of a sudden they

(01:30:30):
throw in just this fucking trash CGI like over and
over again, and I'm like, fucking stop it. You guys,
fucking you clearly have visual effects artists. They're very fucking
good at their job. Why you're throwing this dog shit
in here? And it's and it's almost certainly budget, but
like it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Fuck, but I mean the answer is budget. Like, I
agree with the criticism. I would love it to have
all been practical, but that's not the world we live in.
You know, so if you want it to all be
if you want to watch practical effects, if you want
to watch practical effects, just don't watch movies made after
nineteen eighty nine. That's it. Like, that's I'm not saying

(01:31:12):
I disagree.

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
You could stop right before the lawnmower Man.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
But then you're gonna you're allowing for the Last Starfighter
because even though those were the first CGI effects that
were important at the time stand up to this day.
Now it's it's valid that the CGI is not perfect
and that it I would I wish it was all practical,

(01:31:38):
but that's life, and the CGI like it not being
the CGI not being perfect is fine in a movie
like this, Like you know what I mean, Like it's
it's okay because it's a cheesy movie to have cheesy
special effects, but I just wish they were cheesy practical effects.

(01:31:59):
We didn't get the.

Speaker 5 (01:31:59):
Head right, That's what I'm saying. You didn't even have
to do I would argue you didn't even have to
do good practical effects for some of that. You could
have done shitty once and it still would have worked
because of the tone of the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Yeah, yeah, but budget, do you guys think it was
weird that he still had the scene where he saved
the Blind Lady and the diner, even though then she
didn't play a part in the rest of the movie
like in the first one. She becomes like his girlfriend.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
Yeah, but she's like a government something and on it.

Speaker 5 (01:32:29):
Right something.

Speaker 4 (01:32:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
I was gonna ask you guys this because I did
rewatch the original this week. Did the Thing having a
blind girlfriend steal it from Toxic Avengure or was Toxic
Avenger referencing the Thing having a blind girlfriend? Because both
Marvel properties, So there's no copyright issue. I'm not sure

(01:32:55):
it's not. It can't be a coincidence, right, horrible monster
with a heart of goal, so he has to do
the blind chick.

Speaker 4 (01:33:02):
I don't know when that would have happened in the comics.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
That's I'm I'm curious now, And I just kind of figured.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
What of you guys would know, assuming early seventies maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
So then yeah, I don't know. And then, of course
the obvious follow up question, when Alf dated the Blind
Lady that Toxic Avenger, was he referencing the thing?

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:33:28):
Manness, what did you think of the post credit scene?

Speaker 4 (01:33:32):
I remember what it was, just the meeting I am
describing breakfast, and then it's it's it's making a grill,
making a grilled cheese.

Speaker 5 (01:33:40):
That's what it describing it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
I told the guys I was with, I was like,
if they just let it play and we just sit
here and watch them meet a grilled cheese for the
next five minutes, is maybe the best post credit scene
I've ever seen in my entire life. But they kind
of they did.

Speaker 5 (01:33:56):
They sit there and ain't for remember. I do like
the fact that I do like the fact that it's
started in the hospital with the girl and she's like
I'm getting and then he just cuts to him like,
oh hey, guys. Apparently that was a random on set
idea that they came up with. It was like the
last day of shooting and they were like, should we

(01:34:18):
do it after credits thing? And they just kind of
talked about what to do and they were like, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:23):
We got a good chuckle when Jake Tremblake came in
and then did a quick little dance and then sat
down at the table.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
I did.

Speaker 5 (01:34:34):
I did randomly like the whatever where they finally show
his act his movement piece, like immediately following the first
credits and at first it's just a dance routine and
then basically it turns into like shitty magic and Gallagher
that's what he's actually doing, and you're like, it's a Gallagher,

(01:34:57):
It's Gallagher the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
It was kind of insane when it started happening, and
I was like, I can't believe they made this actor
do all this shit? So what it ran through my head?

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
Do you watch anything else?

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
No? Nope, that was it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:14):
What'd you watch?

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Don Let's see besides both toxic Avengers. I'm just scrolling
back to figure out where. At least time I watched
The Rental, which I think we talked about me watching,
but I hadn't watched it yet. Last time we talked
about which is the day Franco directed film about a

(01:35:36):
bunch of people who rent a place and then somebody
starts trying to kill him off and weird shit happens.
You've seen it, right, Brynes. So. I liked it a lot.
I thought the atmosphere really worked. I thought a lot
of the character stuff was pretty good. It was a
little bit of like characters doing really stupid shit. Then

(01:35:57):
is that like necessary for plot convenience? It's you know,
what I mean. Yeah, like, like I guess non spoilery,
but like you have like these two couples are gone
away together and like the guy from one couple the
girl the other couple, who work together and have no
history of doing anything, end up hooking up like in
the house while their partners are there, and you're like

(01:36:20):
it it's necessary plot wise because it becomes part of
the mystery and the creepiness of everything that's going on.
But also you're like, that's like, these are adults like this,
you know what I mean, that wouldn't happen stuff like that,
you know, but whatever I can get around that. I
really enjoyed the atmosphere. I really liked the performances. The

(01:36:45):
guy that's in it, I'm trying to remember his name.
He was also in Weapons. He was the chief of
police and Weapons, and he's in this as like the
handyman that has to combine help them deal with their
like airbnb problems. He is really good at playing a creepy,
racist weirdo in this. It's like it's very upsetting the

(01:37:08):
whole time. He's like he's so just despicable.

Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
Definitely, but at the same time, definitely something you want
to be known for.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
Yeah, but like it's it's this weird thing too where
he doesn't quite cross a line to the point where
like you can do anything to him, if that makes sense.
But then later on in the movie, when somebody's punching
in the face a lot, you feel pretty good about it,
Like it's and I mean I won't I won't fully

(01:37:37):
spoil the like the way the movie ends, but it
doesn't go the way you expect it to, so it's.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
Yeah, I remember really liking it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Yeah, I'm trying to think of how to describe like
the last part of the movie, but the reveal of
what's going on is not something I predicted as it
was like a possible ability it. You know, like a
lot of the movie is just them living their lives
and things start to get weird and creepy, and they're

(01:38:08):
blaming this guy and he's blaming them, and a dog
goes missing and all that kind of normal movie stuff.
But it's all done really well. And then when the
big reveal comes at the end as to what's actually
going on, it's way different than what I expected. It's creepy,
it's weird. It will make you feel uncomfortable. About the

(01:38:28):
idea of going to an airp and be ever again,
although I've been to one since I watched this movie,
so I guess I can't say that, but yeah, like it.
I guess maybe like spoiler alerts so I can talk
about it for a second. But like, the reveal is
that the previous person who rented the house set up

(01:38:49):
all these cameras that they are finding around the house,
and they're blaming the handyman for putting them there, but
he has no idea they're there. He's just an innocent
victim in all of this. And the guy, after coming
back and killing all these characters, the big reveal is
that he just moves on and rents another place and
puts cameras up there as well. So he's just doing

(01:39:09):
this and since he's just random Joe, he's probably never
gonna get caught kind of thing, because it certainly looks
as though they know who did it at the end
of the movie. And that is a cool, dark like
seventies style ending to a movie of like just yeah,

(01:39:31):
a lot of the characters you liked in this movie,
they're all dead. Now. That guy you thought was the
bad guy, he's not a bad guy, but he's dead now.
And the bad guy who you've never met and you
don't really know who he is, he's just gonna move
on and do this to some different people in a
in a sequel that we're never actually gonna make, but
hypothetically it's out there. And I love that. I love

(01:39:52):
the nihilistic ending like that. So yeah, overall, I thought
it worked really well. He didn't really break any new
grounds for most of the movie, like, plot wise, it
was pretty standard stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
But I enjoyed it so the same way. It's just like, oh, yeah,
it's a good sort of home invasion sort of thing
going on.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
Yeah, And it's like, I don't know, there's just the
right amount of tension between some of the characters and
stuff where you're like, yeah, okay, that'll like the two
characters are brothers and they don't always get along, and
you're like, of course they don't, right, So.

Speaker 4 (01:40:25):
Yeah, well, good like it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
Yeah, I'm also glad I liked it. Another movie I
liked that also didn't really break any new ground. I
finally watched The Curse from nineteen eighty seven because because
you know me, I liked the cover art and you know.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
You had another take on Lovecraft's The Color Out of Space.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
Yeah, so in this one, like basically meteor crashes starts
causing weird shit to happen on a farm and then
they have to find it all off. But it's the
special effects in the last half of this movie when
shit starts to get crazy, are so fucking good and
so fucking fun to watch. And there's just these people

(01:41:10):
with like stuff starts growing on their face and whatever,
and you're just like it's so good, and it's I
don't know, like a lot of the stuff that goes
on is not again nothing new here. You've got the
kid who knows something's wrong and he's trying to tell
the adults and they won't listen, and you have like
the of course it's John Schneider, like Bo Duke plays

(01:41:31):
the fucking he's from the Water Agency or whatever. So
he's showing up to investigate and they're like they don't
want him to let him on the farm, and yet
if he does, he might be able to help them
solve their problem. It's so absurd, but you know, you
have you have Will Wheaton running around as this kid
who's like, I know something's up because I know this

(01:41:51):
thing crashed my property. And what they tell him it
was like the the waste from a plane toilet that
crashing the yard or something, and he's like, no, it's not, obviously,
and it's it's you know, it's the classic like, oh,
all the plants are growing bigger than we expected them to.
We're gonna make so much money on our farm. Oh no,
the crops are all bad because they have like bugs

(01:42:13):
in him and stuff. When our farm's going to be ruined.
The whole time all that stuff's going on, you're like, whatever, whatever, whatever,
And then people start growing weird shit on their faces
and acting all zombiois killing each other. So it turns
into a real fun, just eighties horror movie, which I
always appreciate.

Speaker 4 (01:42:33):
If you ever meet Will Wheaton, do not bring this
movie up.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
If I I definitely will now, but I'll refer to
it as the Farm, which is its alternative title.

Speaker 5 (01:42:42):
Well you should.

Speaker 4 (01:42:44):
He apparently does not sign any merchandise for this movie.
Why because the people making the movie were really shitty
and his parents apparently did nothing to protect him and
his real life sister played his sister in this movie, right,
And there's a scene where she gets a cut in
her cheek or something, right, Yeah, apparently they didn't know

(01:43:06):
what to do, so they literally just use a razor
blade and cut her cheek on purpose for.

Speaker 5 (01:43:11):
It, Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
And really, So he's like, really, like, they abused the
shot out of me and my sister on this movie
and refuses to like like, he won't sign posters or
anything for it. So he's he said he's had to
explain to people before, and then he's like, this is
the you know, I'm just gonna do this, and made
a big blog post on his website about it, and

(01:43:33):
it was just like, so, this is why I don't
like this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
So, yeah, that's pretty fucking horrible.

Speaker 4 (01:43:39):
Yeah, after I read it, and I'm like, yeah, that's justifying. Yeah,
I mean unfortunately, and like you said, it's still sort
of an entertaining eighties movie. Just apparently all the shit
on set was pretty his parents did jack shit to
protect him from it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
That whole time period is made up of parents, Like
every child actor from that time period is their parents
weren't protecting them from being abused on sets. Yeah, because actually,
like when you look at the overall of Hollywood, like, yes,
Will Wheaton has every right to be upset about that,
but not that bad compared to what went on in
a lot of other sets, So you know, it's I

(01:44:19):
don't know, it takes a little bit of the fun
out of the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:44:22):
Sorry, I let you finish before I told you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
Well, I watched it for free on YouTube, so I
didn't give those producers any money.

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
Yeah, if that helps if you like the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Though.

Speaker 4 (01:44:31):
There is two sequels.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
Yeah, one of them's on the list. I mostly because
I can't figure out how that could possibly be sequel
to this. I just throw it on the list, like
I'll watch it, but I'm making you guys watch it too. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
Actually I own the Curse on Blu Ray, which I
found out all this stuff after I had bought it
from Shell Factory. And then it also has the sequel
on it, and okay, there's the third one.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
Apparently the sequels like about snake bites a guy and
he gets powers or some weird shit, and I'm like,
I don't understand how that's a sequel in this movie.
Probably not, So that was my solution was put it
on the list, make you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
Guys watch it, so we'll figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
Let's see what else that I watch. I'm trying to
go through my list here, but it's been so low.
Oh I watched a movie called Marshmallow.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
Oh yeah, this one. Yeah, I've seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
Oh yeah, okay, I thought it was pretty good. I
enjoyed it. I don't think very many people have seen
it because when I posted that I was on Instagram
that I'd watched it, the main actor thanked me for
watching it. So if he's doing that to everybody who
sees it, thinking, not that many people are watching it now.

Speaker 4 (01:45:39):
I've actually hung out with the director before. Okay, he's
it was part of a large horror group that I
was hanging out with a lot about ten years ago,
and we all went up to Wisconsin and spend a
weekend up there like a campground watching horror movies and shit,
and he was one of the people there. I didn't
like hang out with him or anything like a lot,

(01:46:00):
but talk to him a little bit, so we're friends
on Facebook. I tried to promote the movie a little
bit when it came out, right, you ignored.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
My po Yeah, it's funny because like I, when I
saw this, I'm like, oh, I've never heard of this before.
I did I did enjoy it quite a bit, though
it's I guess spoiler free because I'm recommending people watch it,
but it does have some good plot twists in it. Yeah,
But basically, it's kids go away to summer camp. We

(01:46:33):
have like a supernatural killer out there, and you know
first it's a campfire tale, but then it looks like
the killings are happening for real. But then the real
twists start when you realize that people running the camp
are not that surprised that the killings are happening for real,
that you know something else is going on. And I
don't want to reveal what else is going on because

(01:46:55):
I do recommend people watch this, and like I said,
if the actors thanking us individually for watching, that means
not enough people are. But it's I could not possibly
have predicted the twists and turns as it goes, but
I didn't need to because I was already enjoying the
movie at the point of at the point where the

(01:47:16):
twists start, I'm already like, I'm just as just the
kids getting bullied at camp, and he's making friends with
these other kids and there's a killer in the woods.
I'm already on born like if it had just been
supernatural Killer in the Woods and eventually like some survivor
girl pushed him off a cliff or something, I'd have
been fine with it. And then the twists and turns
are all interesting as well, which I thought was like

(01:47:40):
a fun way to tend to kind of put a
new twist on, like an old tale of like kids
at a camp. And some of the stuff too, like
some of the stuff that goes on early on in
the movie starts to make a lot more sense when
the twists come. So it's like even criticisms I had
on the film like, oh, this part was a little
over the top, Well, no, it isn't, not when you

(01:48:00):
realize what's going on, you know. So it's a pretty
tame movie. I think almost anybody can watch it. It's
the killer himself looks pretty cool. He's like in this
doctor's garb with one of those big like almost a
miner's light on his head. It's sort of like my
bloody Valentine guy, but not quite. Yeah, like I say, overall,

(01:48:23):
I would I would definitely recommend this movie. I don't
want to spoil it. It's not gonna end up where
you think it's gonna end up. You might have to
rewind it and re listen to some of the dialogue
to understand where it ends up, because I did. But
I'm glad I did because.

Speaker 4 (01:48:37):
It was like, oh cool, Yeah, it's worth a watch.
I may not land for you. I've had other friends
that have seen it and they're like what, and I'm like,
come on, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
Yeah I don't. I mean, look, it is a non
traditional film, and there are people out there who don't
want that. Right if we've had this discussion about everything
from like horror used to Star Wars, where it's like
when you put an unconventional twist onto a movie that
starts out very conventionally, there's people who don't want that.

(01:49:10):
They want it simple, and that's fine. That's if that's
what you're looking for. That's what you're looking for. This
movie is not it. The purpose of this movie is
to be different and do something unique. So keep keep
that in mind going in and don't go into it
if you're looking for a traditional slasher, that's not what
this is. Even though the setup is that of a
traditional slasher. So that was like a low budget INDI

(01:49:32):
horror movie that I enjoyed and watch, and I recommend
everyone watch. I also watched a different little budget Indi
horror film called First Moon, and I don't recommend people
sus So the idea to this movie was, like, it's
a good idea, which is religious cult kidnaps this girl.

(01:49:55):
They're going to do some sort of like exorcism type
thing on her, and like it's revealed through the movie,
but you figure it out if you read the plot
description that she's infected with like basically a were wolf, right,
and so they're trying to save her soul, and the
risk out of like the exorcism killing her is like, well,
so what, like you know what I mean, Like it's

(01:50:18):
better to have her dead than it is to have
her out there being to wear a wolf. It's best
if we can somehow cure her of this before. And
the idea is like, if we can cure of it
before her first moon, like the first full moon, then
she won't ever transfer. And there are some scenes that
are really good, like some of these like ceremonies scenes

(01:50:38):
that they have going on where they're like they're like
cutting her and shoving wolf pane into the wounds to
like purify the ones, and it like it looks cool.
It really does, and she's given a pretty good performance.
It's like screaming in pain, and you know, but the
movie's boring, which is unacceptable. It's there is there's all

(01:51:00):
these like flashbacks to give context to the story that
start to go on, and there's conflict between the different
people doing the exorcism or the ceremony, whatever you want
to call it, and you're just like, I don't know
how to say it nicely. You're not good enough to
do this, you know what I mean? If you want
your movie to be slow and methodical, and then you

(01:51:26):
have to be really really engaging to keep me watching,
whereas this had me reaching for my phone because it's
just I feel like maybe the filmmaker was over ambitious.
I think they're relatively new filmmaker and they had this
idea in their head, but they're not ready to do
a film like this. They should have done it more straightforward.
They should have just had her be you know, have

(01:51:49):
have her it be a more straightforward Werewolf's story or
a straightforward exorcism story, or something where you're not not
trying to overcomplicate things, not trying to slow things down.
So much, you know, get rid of you could have
got rid of half the dialogue in this movie because
I didn't listen to it anyway, because it wasn't interesting
enough to hold my attention. So it's it's a it

(01:52:12):
was a it was a miss for me. That's my
opinion on and obviously other people might have different opinions,
but it just didn't work. So and that was the
last thing I watched. So I had all those positive
things to say about all those other movies, and we
get to the end and I'm like, yeah, it's something,
So what are you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (01:52:36):
Yeah, let's see. I watched a couple of things. I
watched a big case of you can tell the same
story with a different director and a different actor and
it could turn out way better than you want. So
we covered the movie Man on Fire on this podcast

(01:52:57):
with Scott Glenn in the main character.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:53:02):
Well, I watched the two thousand and four Denzel version
that was directed by Tony Scott, and I remember the
first movie just being I think, okay, I don't even
remember how if I even really liked it all that much.
The Tony Scott version with Denzel is amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Okay, see I remember I saw it in two thousand
and four, and I remember really liking.

Speaker 4 (01:53:27):
Yeah, Denzel's performance, I mean, you know, Shocker is really good.

Speaker 5 (01:53:36):
And he makes plastic explosives into him, but look.

Speaker 4 (01:53:39):
You sure the fuck does. But just his relationship isship
with el Fannings or Dakota Fannings character, like their relationship
is great on screen. His sort of arc throughout the
movie is really good. And then when the girl gets

(01:54:00):
kidnapped and you see the fucking monster version of Denzel
come out as he goes looking for and it's just like,
I'm gonna fuck all these people up. Like it's a
pretty great transformation. Because I haven't seen a whole lot
of movies like Training Day, I guess would kind of
be one of them, but this is straight up like

(01:54:21):
I don't give a fuck Denzel and it's pretty great.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:54:25):
That's so I.

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
Should probably rewatch it because I remember really liking it
back then, and I'm not like a big Denzel guy. Yeah,
and I'm not a huge Tony Scott fan out like
some of his stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:54:35):
Yeah, but yes, his Tony Scott's link direction I think
is really good in this movie. It fits this movie
really well, and then Denzel's just yeah, like I said,
when he goes, he goes to his dark side, like it.
It pays off really well, So I was very happy.
Then I finally watched this version of it. It's been

(01:54:57):
on mine to watch list for a while, but yeah,
I really really enjoyed it. It's kind of long. I
think it's like two and a half hours, but completely
worth it. Yeah, one hundred and forty six minutes, but yeah,
definitely worth the watch. And then the only other thing
I watched is uh, well, back I mentioned, Uh, I

(01:55:18):
was interested in some Jack Nicholson nineties thrillers.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
You're still on that, eh, Well, I.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
Never got around to the second one. I only watched
like one of them, and then he got busy do
a bunch of other shit. So I finally checked out
The Crossing Guard, which I had been curious about checking out.
And this is the one I think I had mentioned.
It's the plot seems very similar to Blue Ruin, which
I know me and you are big fans of. Yeah,

(01:55:45):
and this one, Yeah, it's Jack Nicholson. Uh. His daughter
had been killed by a drunk driver and he was
getting out of prison, and so of course he decides
I'm gonna fucking kill this guy because he ruined my life.
And so the thing I didn't realize is that, yeah,
he's going to show up in that dude's because he's

(01:56:07):
staying at his parents' house, like in a trailer in
the driveway, and he shows up at his house like
within the first like half an hour, and I was like,
oh shit. I thought this is gonna be a lot
more like tracking him down trying to figure out shit,
but nope, he just gets ready to it. And the
guy is played by one of those actors that you

(01:56:28):
see and you're like, oh, it's that guy, David Morse.
He's in a shit ton of movies.

Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
Yeah, that name rings a bell, and I bet you
his face rings a bell. But I have no idea
who you're talking about. Is that kind of guy?

Speaker 4 (01:56:42):
He convinces Jack Nicholson's character. He's like, look, he even
kind of agrees with him. He's like, I'm not saying
I don't deserve this. I'm just saying, like, give me
three days, three days for you to think it over,
to make sure this is what you really want to do.
Give me three days to like sort of wrap my
life up in whatever, and surprisingly, Jack Nicholson agrees, and

(01:57:06):
then what I thought the movie was going to do,
and it does a little bit, but not as much
is I thought we were going to watch two different
men living the next three days trying to wrap their
lives up because they both know their life is going
to end in completely different ways, and I wish it
went more into that. Jack Nicholson's character kind of just

(01:57:29):
falls apart, spirals out of control, and this other guy starts, like,
I don't know, going out and hanging out with friends
and stuff, and so I thought like, oh, we're gonna
see these two different stories of how these guys handle
their life being over. But yeah, we don't get as

(01:57:49):
much of that as I had kind of helped. Jack
Nicholson just kind of gets drunk a lot and has
sex with a lot of strippers and kind of falls apart,
tries to rekindle with his ex wife, uh played by
Angelica Houston, who's pretty fantastic in the movie. And then
David Morris meets Robin Wright, some girl that he sort

(01:58:11):
of hits on at the bar and goes out with him,
and his story is kind of annoying because it's just
him kind of unloading a lot of the guilt that
he has about the whole thing that he was a
terrible person because he was drunk all the time and
that's what caused this whole situation. And her response, rather

(01:58:31):
than trying to like talk to him and you know,
bring him out of that is her literal response at
one point is like, your guilt might be too much
for me. Why don't you call me when you decide
you want to start living? And then he's like okay.
They spend like a day apart, and then he sort

(01:58:51):
of comes back to her and it's still very guilt ridden,
and her response to him, you know, crying and unloading
a bunch of shit to say, like, do you want
to dance? And she gets up and turns the music
on it starts dancing around, and I think he kind
of tries to get her to like take it seriously,
and she doesn't seem like she wants to, so he
just gets frustrated and leaves and that's the last time

(01:59:14):
he sees her. And I'm just like, that's such a
weird like relationship to try to like put this guy
in And then yeah, Jack Nicholson just gets drunk a
lot and that's sexual strippers, and I'm saying that's a
bad lifestyle, but.

Speaker 3 (01:59:27):
Well it sounds fun yeah for a while.

Speaker 4 (01:59:30):
But they're definitely not playing up a lot of the
emotional stuff they could with Jack Nicholson's side of it.
And then you know, whether he actually goes to kill
him or not. I'll leave that up to everybody else
to figure out. But very like that last like part
of it, I was just like this, this doesn't work
for me. I feel like it thinks it's too it's

(01:59:52):
more weighty than it actually comes out being on screen.

Speaker 3 (01:59:58):
Well it's interesting too to have, Like, so the guy
that's responsible for his daughter's death, for him to be
accepting responsibility, to give him a character that's trying to
like give him an out is weird, Yeah, because there
like it'd be one thing to have somebody come in
and say, like, look like you're responsible for this, you
should turn yourself in rather than you know, allow yourself

(02:00:20):
to be murdered or whatever. Yeah, that's one thing to say,
like this is going too far, Like, yes, you made
a mistake, Yes there are terrible consequences. You should face
a penalty, But that doesn't mean he gets to murder
you that's a reasonable like level. But they have almost
like the you shouldn't feel guilty attitude feels like like

(02:00:40):
the audience is gonna who in the audience is going
to go, Yeah, no, she's right, you shouldn't feel bad
about that, you should feel you should be fine.

Speaker 4 (02:00:47):
Yeah. A lot of it's just like, hey, you should
just get over it. And I'm just like, that's not
the message at all, And that's not the message he
takes because obviously he's just like, what the fuck is
your problem by the end of it.

Speaker 3 (02:00:58):
But yeah, it's like, why would you insert a character
in your movie that is like, I don't get it.
What's the big deal? You're like, well, it's the whole
plot of the movie, so it has to be a
big deal.

Speaker 4 (02:01:10):
Yeah. So yeah, I was vibing with maybe the first
half of it, and then it started falling apart. I'm
just like, oh, I feel like this would have been
a better direction to take this, and they didn't really
Like there's little pieces here and there, and they're like, oh,
we get back on the on the train traccident. It's
like oh no, so yeah, you know, and maybe it's

(02:01:33):
just too long. Maybe you could edit, edit, it down
to actually get that because it's almost two hours long.
But it's written and directed by Sean Penn, and I
feel like maybe he thought he was doing something with
a little bit more weight to it than what was
actually there.

Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
Well, and there is like one of the problems of
the nineties was with the indie filmmaking boom that occurred.
You had a lot of writer directors making a name
for themselves who were mostly writers kind of directors, right,
So then you got these Hollywood stars who have always

(02:02:11):
wanted to be writer directors but have only ever been
famous for one particular element of filmmaking, be it acting
or whatever. That we're given a chance because hey, it's
it's what's going on right now in the industry, right
And it's like, well, maybe chan Penn is good at
certain things. Maybe writer director of an original story like
this isn't in his wheelhouse, which is fine, Like it's

(02:02:34):
not really a criticism. You know, go be an amazing
actor and win a bunch of awards for that, and
you don't have to write and direct as well. And
actually he's directed some stuff. I think that's been pretty good.
I just don't know what else he's written.

Speaker 4 (02:02:46):
Yeah, agreed. Yeah, it just seemed like there was a
good like setup to do a bunch of interesting things
in this movie, and yeah, kind of don't really follow
through it, at least to mind satisfaction. Maybe you would
watch it and be like, I don't know what you're
talk about. You get all that in there, But I
just was like, I just feel like it didn't quite
stick the landing like I was hoping it was going to.

(02:03:11):
And the last thing I watched is yesterday, AMC of
the theater near me had one of those like, hey,
we're not going to tell you what the movie is
until you're in the theater situations, and my friend of
mine was like, the rumor online is it's an early
screening of The Long Walk, And I was like, oh
fuck yeah. So four of us were going to go,

(02:03:35):
and for some reason AMC decided we're going to start
moving all of our theaters to reserve seating, which is stupid.
So me and like three other friends of mine, the
same people, three of them, they would a couple of them.
I went to see Toxic Avenger with We were all
trying to coordinate and so we're like, well, I have
to buy a ticket. Then I have to take a

(02:03:57):
screenshot of where my seat's at, and I have to
make sure that I've bought a ticket in a section
with enough seats, and I have to send that to
everybody else, and like, this is where I bought my ticket,
So hurry up and get online so that we can
all get sit together.

Speaker 3 (02:04:11):
It's just stupid, yes, not having First of all, you
should be good enough friends that somebody can just buy
the four tickets and everybody else transfers some of the money. Sure,
or there are apps, aren't there? Do you guys have
those there where you can like coordinate online for a
reserve seating. Yeah, we have apps like that here. I
don't have any friends, so they don't do those apps?
Do me no good.

Speaker 4 (02:04:31):
But well, this is a recent development with like within
the last month this has happened and so we're all
still trying to figure this out.

Speaker 3 (02:04:39):
So that's that's interesting because here I think every I
I may be speaking out of turn here, but I
think every cinema in all of Canada has had a
signed seating for every screening since COVID, Like they just
never went back to it after COVID.

Speaker 4 (02:04:55):
So interesting. Now the only theater at the same theater.
The only theater that did it was the Imax Theater,
and we all just kind of went, well, it's the Imax,
all right, and that's just kind of like every other
theater in the building was just show ups at wherever
you want. And for some reason, they literally just started
within the past month to make them all observe seating

(02:05:17):
and nobody understands why anyway. Anyway, so I bought I
bought my ticket, my friend Wes bought his ticket, and
then our other friend Dustin bought his ticket, and my
friend Jason is like refusing to give in to all
this shit. He's like, I always buy my ticket when
I get there. I was like, dude, that might be full.

(02:05:38):
It could be the Long Walk. We don't know. And
turns out my friend Jason no showed, so he didn't
show up anyway, and then my friend Dustin canceled because
he had something else going on and wasn't going to
get to the theater soon enough. So it's just me
and my friend Wes, and we're like, all right, well
we'll fucking watch the Long Walk. And then the thing

(02:05:59):
starts and it was not the Long Walk. It was
a romantic dramedy called The Threesome and right, So, this
is a movie about a dude who it kind of
reminded me of like nineties indie movies a little bit,
where it's just sort of a lot of talking, a
lot of relationship stuff going on. But the concept is

(02:06:23):
this dude and these two girls end up hooking up
one night in a drunken threesome, and through circumstances, both
the women end up pregnant, and so it's sort of
just like, like, well, how the fuck do we handle this,
because like him and one of the girls become like

(02:06:44):
you start actually dating, and then the other girl shows
up like a you know, a month and a half later,
and it's like, uh so we got to talk, and
then at the same time as a girlfriend's like, uh,
guess what, I'm also I'm pregnant, and so then speaking,
he's like, oh fuck, what do I do? And then
it's sort of him dealing with that situation and then

(02:07:05):
how their relationships sort of go about with this situation.

Speaker 3 (02:07:11):
I have to admit, I do not know if I
would know how to handle that situation. Quite awkward me neither.
A lot of people left when the movie started.

Speaker 4 (02:07:23):
Just yeah, I mean, the thing popped up and a
couple of people got up and I was like, well,
this is bullshitting, got up and left. And then after
like ten fifteen minutes in is when the threesome is initiated,
and there's no like, there's not even any new toy
in this movie, so it's all just sort of set up,
and then theyde to him laying in the bed the
next morning. Situation.

Speaker 3 (02:07:44):
Uh, if you're going to call the movie threesome out
the gap that, I don't know. That feels like false advertising.

Speaker 4 (02:07:52):
But once this was initiated, sure enough, the old people
in the crowd just got up and were like, well,
I'm out of here, and I'm just like, ah, all right,
And so we hung out, you know, because we were like,
like I said, it reminded me of like nineties indies
indie movies. So interesting premise, you know, kind of an
examination of weird situational stuff that hopefully you never have

(02:08:14):
to deal with, but it's kind of fun to watch
these characters have to go through. But yeah, old people
were like no thanks, and me and West just said
and watched and then it was over return to each other.
You know, we were like you know what actually wasn't bad.
I mean, I'd probably be happier if it was The
Long Walk, but probably for being uh, for being tricked

(02:08:36):
into watching this, I'm not like that disappointed. I actually
kind of enjoyed it, so.

Speaker 3 (02:08:43):
It actually it does sound like an interesting premise for
a movie if you're in the mood for that kind
of movie. Yeah, you know, it's.

Speaker 4 (02:08:50):
Just and the guy's mom is played by Julia Sweeney,
and I'm just like, oh shit, I haven't seen her
in anything forever, and now she's playing a dude who's
thirties mom. Goddamn, so that makes me feel old. So yeah,
the Threesome coming out soon, I believe the theaters. If

(02:09:14):
if you need a date night movie, take your girlfriend
to it and be like, see you they had a threesome,
and then leave immediately so you don't have to do
she doesn't have to glare at you at the uh
the aftermath that has to deal with.

Speaker 3 (02:09:27):
See these these random characters think it's a good idea.

Speaker 1 (02:09:31):
Let's go right now, here's a brief glimpse of some
of the truly fine pictures we got us in the
near future.

Speaker 4 (02:09:38):
All right, Doug, it is uh, you're a week to
pick movies. I want to say, you're in September. Last year,
you decided and we should not do Swazey September anymore.
So you think we've ran out of juice.

Speaker 3 (02:09:51):
That's correct, and you.

Speaker 4 (02:09:54):
Feel we've run out of juice with the Slater September.
I almost made you, guys do another Sweezey so September anyway,
but then pull the switch arough and it just would
have been all Don Swazey movies, which is Patrick Swayzey.

Speaker 5 (02:10:09):
It's been a good one.

Speaker 3 (02:10:10):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (02:10:11):
But even I don't know if it's worth going that
route just for a bit, for a month.

Speaker 3 (02:10:16):
It's it's definitely not.

Speaker 4 (02:10:21):
So we're letting you pick movies. But next week.

Speaker 3 (02:10:23):
But isn't this week? This what we're recording right now,
the first September episode.

Speaker 4 (02:10:28):
It is, so we.

Speaker 3 (02:10:29):
Can't do it full month anyway, right, no plot twist,
Yes we cand Jesus Christ. Return of the Living Dead
month is only three weeks. Is only three weeks long
because they only made three Return of the Living Dead movies,
So I was not going to do this. But since
you want a theme month, I guess next week we're

(02:10:52):
kicking it off with Return of the Living Dead and
Flesh Eater, which are two unofficial sequels to Night of
a Living Dead.

Speaker 4 (02:11:00):
That's true, so.

Speaker 3 (02:11:03):
All right, I had other things picked, but you wanted
a theme month, so that's what we're doing now.

Speaker 4 (02:11:09):
I basically just wanted to tell you of my plan
that I almost went with Don Swayzey movies, but even
I was not confident enough.

Speaker 3 (02:11:16):
In that until this conversation. But I'm not interested in
finding out.

Speaker 4 (02:11:23):
If there's one with him and Frank stallone together, we
may have to do it anyway.

Speaker 5 (02:11:27):
This this conversation ended with me getting to watch trash
Dance on Top of a Thing.

Speaker 3 (02:11:32):
Again, So I got this is not the road I
was going. But I'm like, wait a.

Speaker 4 (02:11:40):
Minute, it'll be interesting because I'll get to rewatch Return
a Living Dead two, which I have not seen for
a while and did not super enjoy the first time
I watched it, so we'll see if enjoy it more.
But more importantly, I get to watch the first one again.
That makes me happy. And I've not seen Flashing Her.

Speaker 3 (02:12:00):
I've not seen Flesh Eater either. I've Return to the
Living to the original is the only one of those
I've watched in a long time.

Speaker 4 (02:12:08):
Okay, so the other the.

Speaker 3 (02:12:09):
Other two are you know, I know I've seen them
on like a hypothetical level, but it's been a long time. Well,
I'm looking at Don Swayze's filmography right now, and we
would have had trouble filling this up, Like, I don't
know if we're gonna watch episodes of the twenty twenty
to twenty twenty three Perry Mason TV series that he
was on, then the rookie that is Nathan Fillion in it.

(02:12:35):
At least.

Speaker 4 (02:12:37):
It looks like Flesh Eater is on to.

Speaker 3 (02:12:39):
B it is. Yes, all of these movies were readily
available when I put them on the list, like a
year and a half ago or something, so hopefully they
still are, right.

Speaker 4 (02:12:53):
I just assume we all own Return to the Living Dead
in some way, shape or form.

Speaker 3 (02:12:59):
I don't, but it's red available.

Speaker 4 (02:13:01):
Yeah again, I actually owned four Return of the Living
Dead movies, even though technically none were made after part three.

Speaker 3 (02:13:07):
Yeah, there are only technically three of them, and we
don't need to get any further into that discussion at
all these ever.

Speaker 4 (02:13:18):
Yeah, we did a whole thing on Drunk and Zombie,
where We're covered all of them, and man, those last
two were of the saddest episodes in my life.

Speaker 3 (02:13:26):
I actually don't think I ever watched them, don't. I
think those are ones where I'm like, I drew the
limit at like, maybe just don't direct. Don't watch every
direct to DVD piece of shit that you find it.

Speaker 4 (02:13:41):
Well, I think it wasn't three directed video because I
really liked that one though.

Speaker 3 (02:13:45):
Yeah, three sCOD but directed video not direct to DVD.
There is a difference, gotcha.

Speaker 5 (02:13:51):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I'm trying to which one was.
It was like Necropolis. That's like the rights the Necropolis
sold for like five hundred dollars.

Speaker 4 (02:14:00):
Oh it was on eBay. It was ten thousand dollars
for the unlimited rights and like a print of the movie,
a thirty five millimeter print. Yeah, and I'm just like, shit,
ten thousand dollars, I can own one of the worst
Return of Living Dead movies and even that is enough
for me to go, nah, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (02:14:23):
Huh. Yeah. Anyways, so they only made three movies, but
luckily we have because there was Oh do you guys
remember that weird period of time where like legacy director
video sequels became a thing and they made like legacy
prophecy sequels and stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:14:43):
The Lost Boys.

Speaker 3 (02:14:44):
Yeah, and Lost Boys ones are bad too, weren't they.

Speaker 4 (02:14:48):
Yes, the second one was really bad. And then I
remember the third one being like, oh, this is more
of what I wanted. Turns out that's still a shitty movie,
but yeah, at least it's more centered on the Frog
Brothers than whatever they thought we wanted. The second one,
which was new characters, and it's like, nobody wants new characters.

Speaker 3 (02:15:10):
Yeah, I don't want just stupidity.

Speaker 4 (02:15:14):
And I remember watching the Two Coreys while they were
filming it and being like, ah, this is sad.

Speaker 3 (02:15:20):
The Two Corries was. It was like it was the
least reality of all reality shows. It was almost obviously scripted, possible,
and somehow it still made me sad for like one
of the characters.

Speaker 4 (02:15:31):
And I'm like, uh, Corey Haim getting high again on
set the New Lost Boys. And then Corey Fellman holding
onto the hope when he was meeting with one of
the producers and he's like, so you're telling me we're
going theatrical and they were like, no, this is going
straight to video.

Speaker 3 (02:15:51):
Anything you've done theatrical decades. No, why would this be
the one?

Speaker 4 (02:15:57):
Right? I actually saw that. I was in Walmart today
and I saw like a three pack. Oh yeah, all
three Lost Boys, and I was like, nah, I got
I got the first one on blue ray. I'm good.
What are the legacies direct to video legacy sequels? Did
you like? Quote unquote like?

Speaker 3 (02:16:19):
The ones that were surprisingly good were the sequels to
Dracula two thousand. They made a Dracula two and a
Dracula three and they were surprisingly good.

Speaker 4 (02:16:29):
There's a three pack of that too.

Speaker 3 (02:16:31):
It was the likes. Part two was like they found
the body of the vampire from the first movie and
like accidentally brought him back to life, and like most
of the movie takes place with this like group of
people have him like tied up, and you know, he's
trying to regain his strength and figure out how to
get out of there. Shockingly good.

Speaker 4 (02:16:50):
Wasn't Rutger Howard in the third one?

Speaker 3 (02:16:53):
Yeah, which had a vampire circus in the middle of
it for some reason, which did it really? Yeah? Which
I enjoyed. Actually.

Speaker 5 (02:17:02):
It also went with the the mythology of the undead
being forced to count things, and at one point they
like it throw a giant bag of rice and they're like,
he's got to count all the rice before he can
do anything, and he's like eight hundred and sixty four billion,
seven and fifty two, Son of a bitch, It's a vampire.

Speaker 3 (02:17:31):
If memory serves, My criticism of those films is that, like,
they're both good standalone movies, but they don't feel like
it's all part of the same lore. If that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (02:17:40):
Huh. Yeah. I remember enjoying what they did with Dracula
in the first one.

Speaker 3 (02:17:46):
I liked it. I like, we should just throw those
on the list, because yeah, he can do that. Let's
do a Dracula month.

Speaker 4 (02:17:53):
Sure, next time, we're only going to do only We're
only going to do those dracular movies like Oh Bell
Lagosi and we're like, no, no, no, no, We've done
rug Howard Rugger Howard? Was it Gerard Butler in the
first one?

Speaker 3 (02:18:09):
I believe so. Yeah, as an antique stealer. Little Danny
Masterson shows up in it so that you can be
offended by his presence.

Speaker 4 (02:18:19):
Oh good, We're off to a good start, is it.

Speaker 3 (02:18:22):
Jason Scott Lee in the third one, Yeah, played Bruce
Lee even though he's unrelated to Brisley. Roy Scheider is
in that third one too, I think.

Speaker 4 (02:18:31):
Is he really?

Speaker 3 (02:18:32):
Yeah? Good lord, it's like a cameo type thing we're in,
like a flashback plays like a blind priest that's guiding
him on his mission against the vampire. Oh god, we're
putting these on the list. I want to watch these though.

Speaker 4 (02:18:45):
It's gonna be October. October is gonna be draging the month.
All right, well, there we go. Solve that.

Speaker 3 (02:18:51):
I can't go to bed till I figure this out now.
But it's gonna be arguably our most ridiculous month.

Speaker 4 (02:19:02):
Oh no, will be happy then, yay. Bugger Hower as Dracula.
He's on board.

Speaker 5 (02:19:08):
Mag Howard's anything.

Speaker 3 (02:19:10):
I'm on board. We know everyone.

Speaker 5 (02:19:12):
Howard is a fucking vacuum cleaner.

Speaker 3 (02:19:15):
What I knew you were gonna say something absurd, but
I didn't think you'd get that absurd.

Speaker 5 (02:19:23):
I'm just saying, like a fucking if they were like
listen live action, my little toaster and fucking rugger Howard
is gonna be the blanket, I'd be like in, I'm ben,
let's go. It's gonna be great.

Speaker 3 (02:19:36):
I don't even understand the things you're saying anymore. And
we agreed on movies and ship this week, and then
you have to go here at the end.

Speaker 1 (02:19:42):
Come on, man, Please remember to replace the speaker on
the post when you leave the theater.

Speaker 4 (02:19:57):
And it's time to say good night.

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Speaker 5 (02:20:09):
Good night,