September 21, 2025 • 61 mins
Topic: UFO/UAP
William (Bill) Birnes is a New York Times best-selling author, a magazine publisher, and a New York literary publishing agent who has written and edited over twenty-five books and encyclopedias in the fields of human behavior, true crime, current affairs, history, psychology, business, computing, and the paranormal.As publisher of the nationally distributed UFO Magazine, editor of The UFO Encyclopedia published by Pocket Books, and co-author, with the nation’s top radio talk-show host, George Noory, of A Worker In The Light, Dr. Birnes has added to his list of publications in the UFO/Paranormal field, which include: The Day After Roswell, Unsolved UFO Mysteries, and The Haunting of the Presidents.William Birnes received his Ph.D. from New York University in 1974 while he was an Instructor of English at Trenton State College in New Jersey where he taught structural linguistics and historical linguistics as well as literature and writing. Professor Birnes was a National Endowment for the Humanities Fellow, a Lily Postdoctoral Research Fellow at the University of Pennsylvania, and a grants award judge for the National Endowment for the Arts. https://www.william.birnes.com/
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William (Bill) Birnes is a New York Times best-selling author, a magazine publisher, and a New York literary publishing agent who has written and edited over twenty-five books and encyclopedias in the fields of human behavior, true crime, current affairs, history, psychology, business, computing, and the paranormal.As publisher of the nationally distributed UFO Magazine, editor of The UFO Encyclopedia published by Pocket Books, and co-author, with the nation’s top radio talk-show host, George Noory, of A Worker In The Light, Dr. Birnes has added to his list of publications in the UFO/Paranormal field, which include: The Day After Roswell, Unsolved UFO Mysteries, and The Haunting of the Presidents.William Birnes received his Ph.D. from New York University in 1974 while he was an Instructor of English at Trenton State College in New Jersey where he taught structural linguistics and historical linguistics as well as literature and writing. Professor Birnes was a National Endowment for the Humanities Fellow, a Lily Postdoctoral Research Fellow at the University of Pennsylvania, and a grants award judge for the National Endowment for the Arts. https://www.william.birnes.com/
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Trees crowns.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
From the Ozark Food Hills of northeast Arkansas. I'm Carl
Richardson and this is Midnight Frequency Radio. Our guest tonight
is William J. Bill Burns. Mister Burns is an American author,
ghost writer, chairman of the board of Sunrise Community Counciling Center,
and europhiologist. He was the publisher of and real for
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UFO magazine and was the lead investigator on the TV
show UFO Hunters. He has authored our co authored books
on a variety of topics, including the paranormal, UFOs, criminology,
computer science, and novels. He ghost wrote The Day After
Roswell with Philip J. Corso, which appeared in the New
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York Times bestseller list. Burns, a ghostwriter, has written our
co authored books on computer science, paranormal criminology, and science
fiction novels. In addition to UFO Hunters, he has appeared
on the History Channel's television documentary series Ancient Aliens. Good Evening,
Doctor Burns, and Welcome to mid Night Frequency Radio.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Good Evening.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I guess the first question.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Would be how did you get involved with the paranormal
and UFOs.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, I've always been fascinated by UFOs ever since the
nineteen fifties when the stories of Roswell were first circulating,
the crash at Roswell, we were like really hepped up.
And then in nineteen fifty two there was and you
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could find this online in the pages of the Washington Post.
There are there was a UFO incursion over Washington, d C.
All over the newspapers and it was very exciting. So
when I had the chance, when I was in Los
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Angeles working for a motion picture company, I was a
literary rights agent. When I was working for them, they
introduced me to Philip Corso, who was the intelligence officer
who working for the Senate strom Thurman out of Army
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Research and Development took the cash, the drawer of technology
that we took from the crash at Rosewell in New
Mexico and brought it to American defense contractors to reverse
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engineer into a technology they were working on. And he
had a Senate budget military authorization and that's what he did.
And that's the book we worked on, called The Day
After Roswell, And that's really what got me into this field.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Okay, I've read that the most compelling piece of evidence
uncovered during the UFL Hunters. The cancelation of the show,
I should say, was due to had something to do
with the deLuce New Mexico.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Right. It was in Dulce, New Mexico. Here's what happened
in Dulcin, New Mexico. This is on the reservation for
the Hickory Apache Nation, so it's off limits to everybody
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except the federal government. There is a mesa there called
you actually led a mesa. Under that mesa is a laboratory.
In that laboratory they are mixing, creating new species from
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mixing human and animal genes and animal and animal genes.
The tribal police often say that they see fox running
down the mesa, but they're fox with rabbit heads. We
spoke to a New Mexico State Police trooper named Greg
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Valdez who saw a cow. Oh, this is cattle mutilation territory.
Who saw a cow lying on the side of the
road with a black helicopter hovering over the cow. Helicopter
had no markings. What is going on? Trooper turns on
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his legs and siren. Helicopter flies away, pulls up to
the cow and notices the cow is pregnant. Caused the
veterinarian from the reservation comes out through a a Syrian
section on the cow. Where do they see and folk
can find this photograph on the internet. They see a
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cow and a fetus, care fetus with a human head
and a human hand. Right when Senators Lindsey Grahme, Marion Landriu,
Chuck Grassley saw this, this aired on the History Channel.
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They went into Senate. They went into the Senate introduced
a bill for Title eighteen the Federal Penal Code. It
was a bill making it a crime to hybridize humans
and animals using DNA. And the Man in Black from
the CIA who saw us the following season said we
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were being canceled for that reason.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I just didn't want that getting out at all.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Did they replacing human organs with animal organs? You know
how profitable that would be, especially for the military?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yes, sir, yes, sir uh Here.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
UFO magazine has kind of shifted focus from breaking news
t more in depth research due to the rise of
the Internet. What new areas of up research are historical cases?
Are you currently exploring that you will leave warrant more
public attention?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Well, we don't run the magazine anymore, but what I'm
doing for ancient aliens, writing episodes, doing all kinds of
promotion and appearances. What I'm doing is, I'm working on
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new episodes basically showing how what we took for granted
historically might have a whole other explanation.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Some of the new episodes you're working on, would you
like to elaborate on those?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Well, I'm working on one which is an artificial intelligence
and dependic up on how much of the episode we have.
It is how we approach it. So there's a biblical
approach to it, right, Yes, sir, Right, there's a biblical
approach to it. There's a technological approach to it, and
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there's a sociological approach to it, and that's really what
the episode is trying to amalgamate.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
What are your feelings on all the recent congressional hearings
about thefos and UAPs.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Well, the funny part about these hearings is that they
seem cut off at a certain point, Like nobody's looking
at Project Bluebook, nobody's looking at Philip Corso, nobody's looking
at Wannis and more, and nobody's looking at the cases
going way back, because that's where some of the real
information is. I mean, when you see these people testified
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and they said, well, we know that there's proof that
we had to live an alien. Absolutely. All those stories
come from Day after Roswell, come from UFO magazine, but
nobody's talking about those. I mean, we have this one story.
Forget the name of the person, Colonel Marion Magruder, and
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he was a war hero, helped win the Battle of
Okinawa World War two. After the war. After the war,
he's a war hero. After the war, he is selected
to be a student at the National Air War College
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of nineteen forty of nineteen forty eight of nineteen forty eight.
In that class, they take a trip up to right
Field where they see they're take it into a room
over they see a bunch of wreckage. He describes it.
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Then he's taken into another room where he sees a
creature and he says the creature looked just like him,
only moved differently, and it had bigger limbs and things
like that. And he said that the creature communicated with
him mentally, and it told him that it was being
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tested on and the people testing him were killing him.
And so it's kind of an example of the people
of the stories recovered in the magazine.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yes, sir, do you think they're Well, my feeling is
they're probably intentionally not mentioning some of the things like
you just brought up, so to a certain extent, there's
still a cover up.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Oh, yes, because certain things seem too woo woo, too
way out there to qualify for congressional testimony. Yet it's
those very things that the congress people are looking for.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I love watched some of the hearings myself, and well
can get an awful lot of I can't speak to that,
or I'm not permitted to discuss that, and so yeah,
I think they're still hiding as much as they can.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Right, What you're really getting are people dropping hints but
not dropping stories.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's disappointing, but I guess we have to deal with
what we deal with. Considering your background in law and publishing,
how do you approach the challenge of presenting potential, controversial
or speculative UAP information on a mainstream audience.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I don't. I mean, I think it's true. I am
certainspect about how I present it, but in fact I
have no qualms about doing that.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
You have to maintain a certain amount of journalistic integrity too.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I guess well that.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Now is a college professor for twenty years, so I
certainly know how to make presentations.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Beyond the potential reason for wearing your signature hat and glasses.
Do you feel that this look has inadvertently contributed to
a certain public perception of UAP researchers.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yes, and no. I mean the sunglasses were funny because
and they weren't the original ones. I still have them
in the drawer. But the but the sunglasses came about
because one because this is before UFO hunters. When I
was interviewed for on UFO Files a few years earlier
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about Russian UFOs or UFO stories emanating in Russia, I
had just had some kind of an eye operation, maybe
a cataract surgery, and I was forced to wear sunglasses,
and I was told not to sit in the sun
for at least like a couple of weeks. But when
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they were filming me, the sun had to be over
their shoulder onto me. So I said, if that's the case,
I have to wear these reflective sunglasses or else you've
got to shift to reset the camera. And so they
took a still and they sent it back to the network,
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and the network said keep that. And then when the
show that when UFO Hunters was picked up, they said,
make sure he wears us sun glasses.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, regardless of the fact you look cool. So have
you ever had any personal experiences with UFOs and the
paranorl that shaped your beliefs?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Well, I saw one back in nineteen fifty two hovering
over the city, hovering over our city block. And I
saw one in the area fifty one, and back in
the nineteen seventies when we invited the science fiction writer
Isaac Asimov to Princeton to talk about his work. Afterwards,
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I asked him, isn't it amazing? Do you think that
here we are talking about Foundation and Empire, your three
volume series in which you talk about a secret society
of foundationers Alien two the planet where they live, but
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reaching out through the planet and guiding everything, government, business,
social media, everything. I said, and now, and they're guiding
it towards an end. And that is a psychohistory, an
algorithmic progress of that culture. And I said, isn't it
amazing how fiction like that is taught as a college
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course in psychohistory. Asim Off looks at us and he says,
just with a face as plain as a gravestone. That's science,
not fiction. Now flash forward it was nineteen seventy. Flash
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forward to the late nineties, and I'm interviewing the naval
officer who saw the Japanese fleet from the bridge of
a picket chip off Pearl Harbor in December nineteen forty one.
He was told to shut up, of course, So what
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he told me he became the Philip Corso of the Navy.
What he told me was that one reason for he's
the same thing that aliens are. We're the aliens. They're
among us, they're all over the place. We can't tell
them because they look like us. And he said, the
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reason they don't disclose themselves is because we have the
same powers mentalit powers that they do seeing the future, levitating, hurling,
energy volts, not both. But he says, since we have
those same abilities, we don't know how to use them.
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Only evolution in successive generations will allow us to use them.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I had to Whitley Streeber on a number of weeks back,
but his new book, The Fourth Mind kind of brings
that up. At one time he thinks he had the
ability but lost it to perform some of these acts.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
You know, well, if you read the Bible, and that's
the other approach that I'm taking to this. If you
read the Bible, we did.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I mean over time, we just kind of Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
The Bible is kind of a calling and a grooming.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, so we've kind of de evolved over the years.
I guess that's one way to put it. Yeah, as
you're work in the field, change your worldview of spiritual
beliefs over time.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Oh yeah, I mean when you read some of the
scientists that are supposedly strict physicists and electrical engineers, like
Thomas Edison Albert Einstein, what they said, what they speculated
about is something scientists are now able to figure out
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physically through experiments. For example, the hottest thing in physics
spirituality right now is a third state of consciousness which exists.
That's what they're saying. So there's life, there's death, but
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there's something in between. And we've heard about near death experiences,
journey to the light, all that, all that information people
talking about that. But now Einstein and said that that
was actually a state of transitional consciousness between full life
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and death, and he explained it physically He didn't just
explained spiritually. He explained it physically by by saying that
because of and I'm sure you've heard about this quantum hyperlocality,
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quantum entanglement, yes, sir, yeah, okay, he's saying that the
the quantum in a human consciousness, because it's physical, and
human consciousness exists after the body is dead, and those
quanta are entangled, and they're hyper entangled, and so what's
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happening is that the that the intent quanta have a
consciousness all of their own. That's what is seen. You're
going to the light and separating, and that is the
hyper entanglement. That's what Einstein said. Thomas sort that to
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prove that. So here's what he did. He invented a machine.
This was in Menlo Park, New Jersey. He invented a
machine that threw a single beam of light. You can
imagine how narrowtive beam was. A single a beam of
single photons onto a light meter, and the light meter
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is attached to a vote meter and on the and
on the on one side of that meter and laser right,
not a laser, but a light beam. Are psychics, and
the psychics are wooing the electrons of the recently departed
across the beam, the electrons would break the beam, that
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would registrate the voat meter, and Edison would know that
he could communicate with the dead. That was called the
spirit phone. Didn't work, But that was Thomas Edison putting
into practice Thomas Albert Einstein's theory. But now because of
research in quantum entanglement, physicists are saying there does exist
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a medium state, a middle state of consciousness. So Einstein
was right. Edison was right.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Other than the human animal hybrids we discussed a while ago.
Is there one particular story or witness you encountered that
still haunts so fascinates you to this day.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Well, the tribal police officer who said that he knew
what was going on because he saw the animal going
down the hill. He would see long black vans at
three in the morning, four in the morning heading out
from under the Mesa to Albuquerque, and he said he
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didn't have the legal predicate to stop, and they weren't
speeding through broken tail lights, and he knew there were
government you could tell at the place, and but he
did stop. He did stop a train of these vans
once and inside the van heard animals rustling back and forth,
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and he said he knew what was in there. That
was the story that I heard.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I think I already know the answer to this. But
do you believe there's a coordinated effort in mainstream media
to suppress certain types of information about Oh.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yes, yeah, it's It's called the Overton window. It is
a window in which, like our screens, in which only
material inside the window is admissible for broadcast outside. You
can't do it now the window shifts, but it's the window.
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UFOs outside the window, ghosts outside the window.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Has the portrayal of UFOs and pop culture helped our
hurt public understanding.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
The thing that interests people about the portrayal about the
portrayal of UFOs going back to the nineteen fifties. By
the way, we're not talking about Star Wars. We're talking
about films going all the way back to the late forties,
early fifties. Do you know who proposed those films? The CIA.
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The best way to cover up something is to turn
it into fiction, and that's what the CIA did in
the early fifties, all those Flying Saucier films Birth versus
the Flying Saucers, creature from outer space. They're all this
islanders sponsored by the CIA.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
So it's a disinformation to point right to other things,
then are point away from other things.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I guess I should say all politicians. All politicians do it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Everybody does it, Yes, sir, the recent events that took
place last week, some of the things they're releasing to me.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Get into a political discussion, but there's no doubt to
me there's some sort of tever up taking place.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Governments cover up everything that's embarrassing to the governments.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I mean it's not one one party or the other,
it's both parties, both sides. They all do it.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Are there any conspiracy theories that you initially discussed but
later found credible or you know that you initially dismissed
but later found credible.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
No, because they're really He didn't dismiss anything out of hand.
I always threw him in a gray basket and said,
I'm not going to make a decision.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
What are your thoughts on the story that Bob Lazaar
has come out with in the past.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Oh, I think he's right. I mean, when Bob Blazar
made his announcement, there's immediate blowback and folks like John
Lear for example, the son of that person who invented
the lyric jet. Yes, sir, yeah, John Lewis the CIA
test powert where he delayed John Leir. He investigated Baul
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Blazaar and found out that Lazaar really did work at
Area fifty one. That when he went public, because you
saw what was out and when you know the story
of Bob Blazaar, how it went public, it was a
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comedy of errors. Here's how it went public. Bob Bazaar
was working on the propultion system at Area fifty one.
These workers, the scientists and workers at Area fifty one,
would have these strange hours. They'd worked there forty eight
hours straight then be off for three days. Those were
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the It was project oriented, not labor oriented. So lizaar
would leave on a jet Janit Airlines from Las Vegas
from a Caaren airport, be gone for four days at
a time. Come home. His wife would be screaming at him,
where were you You were with another woman? You have
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another marriage, You were a whore? You were with this
with that? He said no. Finally yet enough, he said,
I'll take you to where I work. He takes her
at night out to Area fifty one. They look at
the mountains, look up the mountains, and they see craft
darting back in or the UFOs, the ones I saw
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when I was there, back and forth. What Zorn doesn't
realize is that as soon as you cross the base,
you're picked up on microphones and cameras. There one video
is in trouble is security clearance is revoked, thrown off
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the base, goes back into can this time with John
Lear and others, and they videotaped the UFOs.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I've seen that footage.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah, okay, So that's the story of John Lee. That's
the story of bobbo Zora. What John Lear explained to
me was that when Lezar was working there, they let
him down this hallway. You look inside a room. In
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the room, there was a candle burning, but it wasn't flickering.
Lazai said, how can that happen? There's no air in there.
What the scientist explained to him was that the propulsion
system they were researching, but the UFOs they recovered, they
were those UFOs. That propulsion system, the energy was so
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powerful that it literally slowed time. Inside that room, you're
looking at the speed of light and time was slowed
almost to a dead crawl. That's what Lazaar was looking at.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, his story to me, it's never changed over the years,
so I'm like you, I tend.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
To believe what his story was.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
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Speaker 1 (33:02):
Lately, all right?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Welcome back to midnight Figrans Radio. And I guess doctor Burns,
I wanted to ask, if full disclosure was performed, what
do you think society, how do you think it would act?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I mean, would they go nuts? Or would it be
chaos or just indifference?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
There had a lot of problems. I'm again, since I
know what the real secret is, I'm really against disclosure
of that secret. And you can't do partial disclosure if
you can't. If you say, oh my god, UFOs are real,
we know they aren't. Where do they come from? Well,
there are bases here under the ocean. Why are they
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end of the ocean. Why don't they just show up
on their pon the grift? Well, that's the bigger secret.
What do you mean? What if we found out that
not only were we were the ets just like us, right,
but that we ourselves were the ets. We're not native
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to this planet. That's work shock Worse, what if we
found out that we're actually a colony of a species
that's throughout the whole universe. What do we then do?
What happens to the world's religions, the world's governments, civil society.
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What if we find out that we have the inherent
powers of our et siblings. What if we tried to
use them? Can you imagine the devastation. That's why there's
no disclosure.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, they would highly affect the religious organizations I think
m hm. Last week's guess was Reverend JS Tarter, and
I propose to him what the Bible is written for
us on this planet. So let's not to say there
weren't none of the planets and other civilizations created elsewhere
or to me, that's my perspective of it.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
That was the perspective of one of the best selling
books in France in the seventeenth century. It was called
the Plurality of Worlds, and it was the premise was
that when the universe was created, life was spread throughout
the universe and exists on many worlds. And the funny
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thing was that's what our founding fathers believed.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yes, beyond ufls, what of the paranormal phenomenon that you've
delved into almost credible or intriguing?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
For me, it's the ability to it's the remote viewing.
The United States Army and the CIA actually developed program,
and I knew Ingo Swan, who was the primary subject
test subject for this program. So if he told me
was mind boggling. But the CIA funded a program which worked,
(36:04):
by the way, called psychic Spine. In one incarnation of
that program, when army officers were brought in to do
the work. In one instance, the remote viewing works at
least worked then was you'd have the viewer and the navigator,
(36:28):
and the navigator wouldn't go anywhere, would sit there and
think of a compass, a GPS point, a plot, and whatever.
Then flooded the viewer's mind without criticizing it, without curating it.
(36:50):
You just write it down raw data. When enough of
the raw data was analyzed, turns out the viewer mentally
was able to go to the spot that the navigator
was thinking about, over and over again. So common was
(37:14):
this that one remote viewer told me that teaching someone
to remote view is like teaching someone to play chopstick
on a piano. So one day this remote this navigative
de size to sentence first enough to find UFOs, writes
(37:36):
down some plot. Here's what the viewer sees. Remember that
the task was a place to find UFOs metal projector
flaw flawed. There's a warship floating in a narrow street,
A metal projectile comes flying at the worship. Bam, there's
(37:59):
an explosion and men die, fire, things broke out, people
laughing in a plane overhead. He reports that sort of Friday,
bright and early Monday morning. He's a major bright and
early Monday morning. General calls him in, holding the report up.
What the hell did you see? I don't know, sir,
(38:22):
I metal projectile hitting a navy ship. I don't know
whose navy it is ours? Maybe where it is, I
don't know. People laughing. General holds up a copy of
the Washington Post. Uss Stark attacked in the Persian Gulf,
exactly the way he saw it forty eight hours before
(38:42):
it happened. Okay, what does it mean? Similarly, we're mustering
for our first episode. Your phone Hunters were met at
the airport in the lounge there by a friend of
(39:05):
one of our guests, test pilot CIA test pilot, and
he tells us this story. He quit the CIA, he
was working at Area fifty one. She quits, he flung
some bucket or boat, some junker. The singles double apart
(39:26):
on him. He says, the hell with this, I quit, leaves,
drops his gear, leaves. He's a private pilot. He's crop
dusty in Florida. A year later, doesn't hear from them.
A year later, landing strip sees black car, white wall tires.
(39:47):
Two guys in suits and black cats standing outside. Find
the CIA. What do they want? Lands the plane? They
walk up, How are you doing? We like to find
out how are you doing? No problems? We hear your
pious licenses up for renewal. Be a shame if for
(40:08):
some reason I wasn't renewed and you couldn't pursue this business.
We can help you with that renewal. Okay, what's the issue?
One more job? One, that's it, No more flying. One
more job that it's done. We hope you with your
license should done. Never hear from us again. Back to
(40:30):
area fifty one. They're in this long hair. There's a
very long hair there. I was there. On one end
there's like a telephone booth. They say, this is a
flight simulator. We're going to give you complicated things. We
(40:54):
want to see if the flight simulator is responsive. Oh
that's a yeah, easy go inside. Blue lights shut off.
Suddenly there's a wave of news. He feels a wave
of nausea, wakes up. This is what the hell is,
(41:14):
looks around, opens the door and he's on the other
side of the hangar. He was the subject of a
transportation device. A transporter. That's a weapon we have.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
You don't have any knowledge, and of course it's more
than been debunked. I think as far as things like
the Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Experiment, yeah, I know all about that. Do you believe
any of it or it's not true? Oh what happened?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Was this.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
In nineteen forty three, forty four? We know at some
point forty four, really, at some point we know we're
going to have to invade the Jetjapanese home Islands. We
never had to for obvious reasons, but we believe that
in order to invade the Japanese Home Islands to end
(42:09):
the war on our terms, we needed to take Okinawa
as an airbase. To do that, the Japanese had mined
the waters around Okinawa with underwater bombs with proximity fuses.
(42:29):
You know, the proximity fuze is A ship's hull is
an electromagnetic envelope. It's a battery. Yeah, it registers. Even
sale books are like that because it's electrified. The problem is,
that's exactly the circuit that a proximity fuze uses to
(42:52):
trigger an explosion. So imagine the problem trying to clear
the mines. But if they had at a vessel whose
hull was not an electromatical, they wouldn't trigger off the mines.
They sell into Okinawa Bay, and that was the experiment
(43:15):
at the Philadelphia Navy Yard.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
So it was at the gasting project.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
So they set up huge This was a Canadian experiment.
They set up huge degaussing devices and they ran the
USS Eldridge through the degaussurs. But the heat was so
intense that it melted the ship and two sailors refused
(43:48):
to the deck. Remember this is being done in secret
because we're invading Japanese home waterers, and it's a way
to itsself exact after what it is electronic stealth to
avoid the Japanese defenses. Right, So, because it's top secret,
(44:13):
the Eldridge is floated down the intracoastal Waterway in a
fog which closes in around the vessel. Spotting the vessel
is a naval officer, naval personnel I'm trying to think
of his name, Dan something or other. He is so
(44:37):
whipped up on what he sees he writes to Maurice
k Jessop, who wrote the book UFO is a real
yes to tell Marris k Jessop about a ship that's
traveled in time or The US Navy was so shaken
up by this story. His name was Carl Allen and
(45:01):
his code name was Carlos Ayende. The Navy was so
concerned about Carlos Allende they asked, we turned a lieutenant
Commander Hoover to investigate the Philadelphia experiment, and he did,
and he became the Navy's UFO man, and he debunked.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Carl Allen said, this next thing I want to ask about,
do you have any knowledge of Camp hero in the
so called mont Talk project?
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Was that pretty much.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Story goes well. First of all, Montalk was a secret point.
It was part of Nikola Tesla's radio broadcasting system. And
in World War One, the Germans used that tower at
(45:54):
Montagu've been there been that tower at Montauk as a
radio beacon homing in on the United States. The Germans
dropped off spies on Long awand many times they disappeared.
There was a story that in the Montalk Observatory, in
(46:16):
that facility, there's a room where experiments were done on
boy Montuk Boys to test their resiliency. What we know
now look called the Montuk Boys. What we know now
(46:39):
know are two things. Three things. One that throughout the
nineteen fifties, routine psychological testing was done out a variety
of people, including Lee Harvey Oswald by the CIA. My
(47:03):
writing partner John Liebert was part of that project called
mk Ultra. We know that we know that at the
end of World War Two, the Russians kept American soldiers
in the Russian sector, didn't release them, sent it back
to Russia. Their identities were processed to be what my
(47:28):
co author Philip Corso called were playbacks. Russian spies americanized
using American identities. You've seen it on TV on Fox
The Americans Three. The McCarthy hearings, as brutal as they were,
were based on that rumor that Soviet Asians had infiltrated America.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Were they programming like sleepers.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
To go in and yeah, yeah, exactly, we're close at
the top of the hour.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
I think I'll take my next break and get that
out of the way and then we can come back
and finish up.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
And yeah, we need to finish up because I need
to title.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yes, sir, okay, We'll be back Charlette, thank you.
Speaker 7 (48:50):
This is Dark Matter News. I'm Joshua Stark. A new
study suggests humans are undergoing a major evolutionary shift, not
just biologically but culturally. According to researchers from the University
of Maine, we may be moving towards something like a superorganism,
where human groups, societies, nations function more like integrated biological entities.
(49:18):
The central idea is that cultural evolution now trumps genetic evolution,
for example, things like eyeglasses, sea sections, and modern healthcare.
Our ways societies are solving problems that would once have
been shaped by genetics. Survival systems of culture, institutions, shared
(49:39):
knowledge technology are accelerating our ability to adapt. The paper
argues that our well being today is influenced less by
the DNA we inherit and more by the societies we
live in, the technologies we use, in the collective systems
we participate in. However, the offers caution that this isn't
about judging which cos are better.
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This is dark Matter News. Mathematicians are fascinated by a
strange result known as the bonoch Tarsky paradox, which appears
to let you create something from nothing. The paradox arises
in pure mathematics and involves taking a solid sphere, slicing
it into a finite number of pieces, then reassembling those
(51:23):
pieces to form two exact copies of the original sphere.
Same size, same volume. Of course, this sounds impossible to
the physical world. The trick lies in the kinds of
pieces used. These parts are extremely pathological, non measurable sets
that defy the usual way we think about volume, shape,
(51:45):
or even continuity. The paradox depends on accepting the axiom
of choice, a foundational principle in set theory that lets
you select elements from an infinitely many sets even without
a general rule for selection. Without that axiom, this counterintuitive
splitting and reassembly can't be proved. To illustrate, imagine rotating
(52:11):
points on the sphere by irrational angles and then grouping
them by which last rotation moved them. Because you're dealing
with infinitely many points and rotations, you can partition the
sphere into two spheres. It's like duplicating every microscopic part
through infinite rotating based shuffling. Mathematically, it's rigorous, philosophically, and physically,
(52:38):
it's baffling. It does not mean you can literally manufacture
gold out of air though. Sorry, that's it for dark
matter news. Catch up with us on the Midnight Frequency
Facebook page from Memphis, Tennessee. I'm Joshua Stark.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
How do you see that make so sweet.
Speaker 4 (53:12):
Now there.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Is help on.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
Oh she's a big.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Boat kind of freaks. Want to do with the bed?
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Right?
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Welcome back to my night frequency and I guess Doctor Burns, Sir.
I know you need to get out of here and
take care of your evening. But I wanted to ask,
do you have any other projects besides the h Ancient
Aliens shows you work on that you're in the process of.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Maybe books, sir, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
I have two. I'm working on. I have two books
right now. One book is a basic guide for its
red flags. It is Doctor Spock Charldon BabyCare for the
Digital Age of social media and artificial intelligence. So the
(54:15):
book really deals with how do you raised children? I mean, remember,
you're talking about children who are being raised in if
you look at the twenty year span of this century,
children being raised amidst school shootings, shopping center church shootings,
(54:39):
so they're mass shootings all over and children being raised.
They're having school shooting drills in that environment. That's one
COVID hits and this mass resocialization. And when you emerge,
you're dealing with artificial the intellig intelligence generated forms of
(55:01):
social media. You've seen I'm sure you've heard about this
lawsuit where parents are assuing the artificial intelligence company because
the AI induced the kid to commit suicide. Yeah, and
it's happening more. They're inducing children to commit violence. This
(55:23):
is a book to deal with that. That's one. Two
is a book that is what I think is the
real comprehensive story of the JFK assassination, dealing with JFK's
first assignment as being attached to James Forrestaal's Secretary of
(55:44):
Defense who was in charge of MJ twelve, the UFO
Research Committee dealing with the Roswell material. That's one. So
Kennedy is inaugurated into eufology when he's back in the
nineteen forty, he gets to the White House and he
learns Liberty Split that inside his own Army R and
(56:11):
D is on Pentagon, there is an Army officer, Philip Courso,
who is working on reverse engineering the Risewell Press debris.
And then Kennedy finds out that about the Betty and
Barney Hill abduction. And this is a Kennedy who's under
the influence of methodphetamines from Doctor feel Good and LSD
(56:34):
from Tiothy Leary and just traces the two years from
there as a disaster. And finally Kennedy says, to the
CIA and all bredges of the military, release all your
UFO secrets to the Soviet Union, and that's the end.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
You have a website you'd like to give to our listeners.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
That can general on press www dot had a loan press.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
All right, that contains information about you and also your
other books that you've previously written. Yep, already, sir, well,
I appreciate you being on the show. It's been an honor,
and I will let you get on with your evening
and it's my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
Thank you, Thank you, sir, and you you have a
good one.
Speaker 9 (57:39):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
M.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
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Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
From the Ozark Food Hills of northeast Arkansas. I'm Carl
Richardson and this is Midnight Frequency Radio. Our guest tonight
is William J. Bill Burns. Mister Burns is an American author,
ghost writer, chairman of the board of Sunrise Community Counciling Center,
and europhiologist. He was the publisher of and real for
(01:00):
UFO magazine and was the lead investigator on the TV
show UFO Hunters. He has authored our co authored books
on a variety of topics, including the paranormal, UFOs, criminology,
computer science, and novels. He ghost wrote The Day After
Roswell with Philip J. Corso, which appeared in the New
(01:21):
York Times bestseller list. Burns, a ghostwriter, has written our
co authored books on computer science, paranormal criminology, and science
fiction novels. In addition to UFO Hunters, he has appeared
on the History Channel's television documentary series Ancient Aliens. Good Evening,
Doctor Burns, and Welcome to mid Night Frequency Radio.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Good Evening.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I guess the first question.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Would be how did you get involved with the paranormal
and UFOs.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, I've always been fascinated by UFOs ever since the
nineteen fifties when the stories of Roswell were first circulating,
the crash at Roswell, we were like really hepped up.
And then in nineteen fifty two there was and you
(02:13):
could find this online in the pages of the Washington Post.
There are there was a UFO incursion over Washington, d C.
All over the newspapers and it was very exciting. So
when I had the chance, when I was in Los
(02:34):
Angeles working for a motion picture company, I was a
literary rights agent. When I was working for them, they
introduced me to Philip Corso, who was the intelligence officer
who working for the Senate strom Thurman out of Army
(02:58):
Research and Development took the cash, the drawer of technology
that we took from the crash at Rosewell in New
Mexico and brought it to American defense contractors to reverse
(03:19):
engineer into a technology they were working on. And he
had a Senate budget military authorization and that's what he did.
And that's the book we worked on, called The Day
After Roswell, And that's really what got me into this field.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Okay, I've read that the most compelling piece of evidence
uncovered during the UFL Hunters. The cancelation of the show,
I should say, was due to had something to do
with the deLuce New Mexico.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Right. It was in Dulce, New Mexico. Here's what happened
in Dulcin, New Mexico. This is on the reservation for
the Hickory Apache Nation, so it's off limits to everybody
(04:12):
except the federal government. There is a mesa there called
you actually led a mesa. Under that mesa is a laboratory.
In that laboratory they are mixing, creating new species from
(04:34):
mixing human and animal genes and animal and animal genes.
The tribal police often say that they see fox running
down the mesa, but they're fox with rabbit heads. We
spoke to a New Mexico State Police trooper named Greg
(04:57):
Valdez who saw a cow. Oh, this is cattle mutilation territory.
Who saw a cow lying on the side of the
road with a black helicopter hovering over the cow. Helicopter
had no markings. What is going on? Trooper turns on
(05:17):
his legs and siren. Helicopter flies away, pulls up to
the cow and notices the cow is pregnant. Caused the
veterinarian from the reservation comes out through a a Syrian
section on the cow. Where do they see and folk
can find this photograph on the internet. They see a
(05:39):
cow and a fetus, care fetus with a human head
and a human hand. Right when Senators Lindsey Grahme, Marion Landriu,
Chuck Grassley saw this, this aired on the History Channel.
(06:01):
They went into Senate. They went into the Senate introduced
a bill for Title eighteen the Federal Penal Code. It
was a bill making it a crime to hybridize humans
and animals using DNA. And the Man in Black from
the CIA who saw us the following season said we
(06:23):
were being canceled for that reason.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I just didn't want that getting out at all.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Did they replacing human organs with animal organs? You know
how profitable that would be, especially for the military?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yes, sir, yes, sir uh Here.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
UFO magazine has kind of shifted focus from breaking news
t more in depth research due to the rise of
the Internet. What new areas of up research are historical cases?
Are you currently exploring that you will leave warrant more
public attention?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Well, we don't run the magazine anymore, but what I'm
doing for ancient aliens, writing episodes, doing all kinds of
promotion and appearances. What I'm doing is, I'm working on
(07:18):
new episodes basically showing how what we took for granted
historically might have a whole other explanation.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Some of the new episodes you're working on, would you
like to elaborate on those?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Well, I'm working on one which is an artificial intelligence
and dependic up on how much of the episode we have.
It is how we approach it. So there's a biblical
approach to it, right, Yes, sir, Right, there's a biblical
approach to it. There's a technological approach to it, and
(07:55):
there's a sociological approach to it, and that's really what
the episode is trying to amalgamate.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
What are your feelings on all the recent congressional hearings
about thefos and UAPs.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Well, the funny part about these hearings is that they
seem cut off at a certain point, Like nobody's looking
at Project Bluebook, nobody's looking at Philip Corso, nobody's looking
at Wannis and more, and nobody's looking at the cases
going way back, because that's where some of the real
information is. I mean, when you see these people testified
(08:32):
and they said, well, we know that there's proof that
we had to live an alien. Absolutely. All those stories
come from Day after Roswell, come from UFO magazine, but
nobody's talking about those. I mean, we have this one story.
Forget the name of the person, Colonel Marion Magruder, and
(08:53):
he was a war hero, helped win the Battle of
Okinawa World War two. After the war. After the war,
he's a war hero. After the war, he is selected
to be a student at the National Air War College
(09:14):
of nineteen forty of nineteen forty eight of nineteen forty eight.
In that class, they take a trip up to right
Field where they see they're take it into a room
over they see a bunch of wreckage. He describes it.
(09:36):
Then he's taken into another room where he sees a
creature and he says the creature looked just like him,
only moved differently, and it had bigger limbs and things
like that. And he said that the creature communicated with
him mentally, and it told him that it was being
(10:00):
tested on and the people testing him were killing him.
And so it's kind of an example of the people
of the stories recovered in the magazine.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yes, sir, do you think they're Well, my feeling is
they're probably intentionally not mentioning some of the things like
you just brought up, so to a certain extent, there's
still a cover up.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Oh, yes, because certain things seem too woo woo, too
way out there to qualify for congressional testimony. Yet it's
those very things that the congress people are looking for.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I love watched some of the hearings myself, and well
can get an awful lot of I can't speak to that,
or I'm not permitted to discuss that, and so yeah,
I think they're still hiding as much as they can.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Right, What you're really getting are people dropping hints but
not dropping stories.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's disappointing, but I guess we have to deal with
what we deal with. Considering your background in law and publishing,
how do you approach the challenge of presenting potential, controversial
or speculative UAP information on a mainstream audience.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I don't. I mean, I think it's true. I am
certainspect about how I present it, but in fact I
have no qualms about doing that.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
You have to maintain a certain amount of journalistic integrity too.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I guess well that.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Now is a college professor for twenty years, so I
certainly know how to make presentations.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Beyond the potential reason for wearing your signature hat and glasses.
Do you feel that this look has inadvertently contributed to
a certain public perception of UAP researchers.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yes, and no. I mean the sunglasses were funny because
and they weren't the original ones. I still have them
in the drawer. But the but the sunglasses came about
because one because this is before UFO hunters. When I
was interviewed for on UFO Files a few years earlier
(12:25):
about Russian UFOs or UFO stories emanating in Russia, I
had just had some kind of an eye operation, maybe
a cataract surgery, and I was forced to wear sunglasses,
and I was told not to sit in the sun
for at least like a couple of weeks. But when
(12:48):
they were filming me, the sun had to be over
their shoulder onto me. So I said, if that's the case,
I have to wear these reflective sunglasses or else you've
got to shift to reset the camera. And so they
took a still and they sent it back to the network,
(13:09):
and the network said keep that. And then when the
show that when UFO Hunters was picked up, they said,
make sure he wears us sun glasses.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, regardless of the fact you look cool. So have
you ever had any personal experiences with UFOs and the
paranorl that shaped your beliefs?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Well, I saw one back in nineteen fifty two hovering
over the city, hovering over our city block. And I
saw one in the area fifty one, and back in
the nineteen seventies when we invited the science fiction writer
Isaac Asimov to Princeton to talk about his work. Afterwards,
(13:57):
I asked him, isn't it amazing? Do you think that
here we are talking about Foundation and Empire, your three
volume series in which you talk about a secret society
of foundationers Alien two the planet where they live, but
(14:18):
reaching out through the planet and guiding everything, government, business,
social media, everything. I said, and now, and they're guiding
it towards an end. And that is a psychohistory, an
algorithmic progress of that culture. And I said, isn't it
amazing how fiction like that is taught as a college
(14:41):
course in psychohistory. Asim Off looks at us and he says,
just with a face as plain as a gravestone. That's science,
not fiction. Now flash forward it was nineteen seventy. Flash
(15:02):
forward to the late nineties, and I'm interviewing the naval
officer who saw the Japanese fleet from the bridge of
a picket chip off Pearl Harbor in December nineteen forty one.
He was told to shut up, of course, So what
(15:23):
he told me he became the Philip Corso of the Navy.
What he told me was that one reason for he's
the same thing that aliens are. We're the aliens. They're
among us, they're all over the place. We can't tell
them because they look like us. And he said, the
(15:44):
reason they don't disclose themselves is because we have the
same powers mentalit powers that they do seeing the future, levitating, hurling,
energy volts, not both. But he says, since we have
those same abilities, we don't know how to use them.
(16:08):
Only evolution in successive generations will allow us to use them.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I had to Whitley Streeber on a number of weeks back,
but his new book, The Fourth Mind kind of brings
that up. At one time he thinks he had the
ability but lost it to perform some of these acts.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
You know, well, if you read the Bible, and that's
the other approach that I'm taking to this. If you
read the Bible, we did.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I mean over time, we just kind of Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
The Bible is kind of a calling and a grooming.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, so we've kind of de evolved over the years.
I guess that's one way to put it. Yeah, as
you're work in the field, change your worldview of spiritual
beliefs over time.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Oh yeah, I mean when you read some of the
scientists that are supposedly strict physicists and electrical engineers, like
Thomas Edison Albert Einstein, what they said, what they speculated
about is something scientists are now able to figure out
(17:19):
physically through experiments. For example, the hottest thing in physics
spirituality right now is a third state of consciousness which exists.
That's what they're saying. So there's life, there's death, but
(17:43):
there's something in between. And we've heard about near death experiences,
journey to the light, all that, all that information people
talking about that. But now Einstein and said that that
was actually a state of transitional consciousness between full life
(18:10):
and death, and he explained it physically He didn't just
explained spiritually. He explained it physically by by saying that
because of and I'm sure you've heard about this quantum hyperlocality,
(18:30):
quantum entanglement, yes, sir, yeah, okay, he's saying that the
the quantum in a human consciousness, because it's physical, and
human consciousness exists after the body is dead, and those
quanta are entangled, and they're hyper entangled, and so what's
(18:56):
happening is that the that the intent quanta have a
consciousness all of their own. That's what is seen. You're
going to the light and separating, and that is the
hyper entanglement. That's what Einstein said. Thomas sort that to
(19:20):
prove that. So here's what he did. He invented a machine.
This was in Menlo Park, New Jersey. He invented a
machine that threw a single beam of light. You can
imagine how narrowtive beam was. A single a beam of
single photons onto a light meter, and the light meter
(19:41):
is attached to a vote meter and on the and
on the on one side of that meter and laser right,
not a laser, but a light beam. Are psychics, and
the psychics are wooing the electrons of the recently departed
across the beam, the electrons would break the beam, that
(20:04):
would registrate the voat meter, and Edison would know that
he could communicate with the dead. That was called the
spirit phone. Didn't work, But that was Thomas Edison putting
into practice Thomas Albert Einstein's theory. But now because of
research in quantum entanglement, physicists are saying there does exist
(20:28):
a medium state, a middle state of consciousness. So Einstein
was right. Edison was right.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Other than the human animal hybrids we discussed a while ago.
Is there one particular story or witness you encountered that
still haunts so fascinates you to this day.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Well, the tribal police officer who said that he knew
what was going on because he saw the animal going
down the hill. He would see long black vans at
three in the morning, four in the morning heading out
from under the Mesa to Albuquerque, and he said he
(21:07):
didn't have the legal predicate to stop, and they weren't
speeding through broken tail lights, and he knew there were
government you could tell at the place, and but he
did stop. He did stop a train of these vans
once and inside the van heard animals rustling back and forth,
(21:34):
and he said he knew what was in there. That
was the story that I heard.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I think I already know the answer to this. But
do you believe there's a coordinated effort in mainstream media
to suppress certain types of information about Oh.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yes, yeah, it's It's called the Overton window. It is
a window in which, like our screens, in which only
material inside the window is admissible for broadcast outside. You
can't do it now the window shifts, but it's the window.
(22:10):
UFOs outside the window, ghosts outside the window.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Has the portrayal of UFOs and pop culture helped our
hurt public understanding.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
The thing that interests people about the portrayal about the
portrayal of UFOs going back to the nineteen fifties. By
the way, we're not talking about Star Wars. We're talking
about films going all the way back to the late forties,
early fifties. Do you know who proposed those films? The CIA.
(22:45):
The best way to cover up something is to turn
it into fiction, and that's what the CIA did in
the early fifties, all those Flying Saucier films Birth versus
the Flying Saucers, creature from outer space. They're all this
islanders sponsored by the CIA.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
So it's a disinformation to point right to other things,
then are point away from other things.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I guess I should say all politicians. All politicians do it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Everybody does it, Yes, sir, the recent events that took
place last week, some of the things they're releasing to me.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Get into a political discussion, but there's no doubt to
me there's some sort of tever up taking place.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Governments cover up everything that's embarrassing to the governments.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I mean it's not one one party or the other,
it's both parties, both sides. They all do it.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Are there any conspiracy theories that you initially discussed but
later found credible or you know that you initially dismissed
but later found credible.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
No, because they're really He didn't dismiss anything out of hand.
I always threw him in a gray basket and said,
I'm not going to make a decision.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
What are your thoughts on the story that Bob Lazaar
has come out with in the past.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Oh, I think he's right. I mean, when Bob Blazar
made his announcement, there's immediate blowback and folks like John
Lear for example, the son of that person who invented
the lyric jet. Yes, sir, yeah, John Lewis the CIA
test powert where he delayed John Leir. He investigated Baul
(24:35):
Blazaar and found out that Lazaar really did work at
Area fifty one. That when he went public, because you
saw what was out and when you know the story
of Bob Blazaar, how it went public, it was a
(24:57):
comedy of errors. Here's how it went public. Bob Bazaar
was working on the propultion system at Area fifty one.
These workers, the scientists and workers at Area fifty one,
would have these strange hours. They'd worked there forty eight
hours straight then be off for three days. Those were
(25:20):
the It was project oriented, not labor oriented. So lizaar
would leave on a jet Janit Airlines from Las Vegas
from a Caaren airport, be gone for four days at
a time. Come home. His wife would be screaming at him,
where were you You were with another woman? You have
(25:42):
another marriage, You were a whore? You were with this
with that? He said no. Finally yet enough, he said,
I'll take you to where I work. He takes her
at night out to Area fifty one. They look at
the mountains, look up the mountains, and they see craft
darting back in or the UFOs, the ones I saw
(26:03):
when I was there, back and forth. What Zorn doesn't
realize is that as soon as you cross the base,
you're picked up on microphones and cameras. There one video
is in trouble is security clearance is revoked, thrown off
(26:26):
the base, goes back into can this time with John
Lear and others, and they videotaped the UFOs.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I've seen that footage.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah, okay, So that's the story of John Lee. That's
the story of bobbo Zora. What John Lear explained to
me was that when Lezar was working there, they let
him down this hallway. You look inside a room. In
(27:02):
the room, there was a candle burning, but it wasn't flickering.
Lazai said, how can that happen? There's no air in there.
What the scientist explained to him was that the propulsion
system they were researching, but the UFOs they recovered, they
were those UFOs. That propulsion system, the energy was so
(27:27):
powerful that it literally slowed time. Inside that room, you're
looking at the speed of light and time was slowed
almost to a dead crawl. That's what Lazaar was looking at.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, his story to me, it's never changed over the years,
so I'm like you, I tend.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
To believe what his story was.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
We're at the bottom of the first hour of the
first half hour. I'm going to run the first break
and then we'll come back and continue onward. Good thinks
it breaks about four minutes and forty five seconds, So
if you needed to refresh your water or anything.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I'll do that. Good, thank you? How do I'll be
right here.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
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Speaker 7 (29:13):
This is dark matter News. I'm Joshua Stark. The Sun
is becoming more active than scientists expected, and researchers aren't
sure why. After the unusually quiet solar cycle twenty four,
predictions suspected that cycle twenty five would also be mild. Instead,
it is ramped up, producing far more sunspots and solar
(29:34):
eruptions than anticipated. Since around two thousand and eight, measurements
of the solar wind, including its speed, density, and magnetic
field strength, have been steadily increasing. This rise appears to
go beyond the typical eleven year solar cycle, leading some
scientists to wonder if it reflects the longer twenty two
(29:57):
year Hail cycle, where pairs of solar cycles are linked
to magnetic polar reversals. The implications are significant. A more
active Sun means Earth could face stronger solar flares, powerful
coronal mass ejections, and heightened space weather that could affect satellites,
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communication systems, and even power grids. Yet, despite decades of study,
the Sun remains unpredictable, and scientists submit they don't fully
understand the processes driving this serge and activity. What was
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surprising behavior. Catch up with us at darkmatternews dot com.
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Speaker 1 (33:02):
Lately, all right?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Welcome back to midnight Figrans Radio. And I guess doctor Burns,
I wanted to ask, if full disclosure was performed, what
do you think society, how do you think it would act?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I mean, would they go nuts? Or would it be
chaos or just indifference?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
There had a lot of problems. I'm again, since I
know what the real secret is, I'm really against disclosure
of that secret. And you can't do partial disclosure if
you can't. If you say, oh my god, UFOs are real,
we know they aren't. Where do they come from? Well,
there are bases here under the ocean. Why are they
(33:40):
end of the ocean. Why don't they just show up
on their pon the grift? Well, that's the bigger secret.
What do you mean? What if we found out that
not only were we were the ets just like us, right,
but that we ourselves were the ets. We're not native
(34:04):
to this planet. That's work shock Worse, what if we
found out that we're actually a colony of a species
that's throughout the whole universe. What do we then do?
What happens to the world's religions, the world's governments, civil society.
(34:25):
What if we find out that we have the inherent
powers of our et siblings. What if we tried to
use them? Can you imagine the devastation. That's why there's
no disclosure.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, they would highly affect the religious organizations I think
m hm. Last week's guess was Reverend JS Tarter, and
I propose to him what the Bible is written for
us on this planet. So let's not to say there
weren't none of the planets and other civilizations created elsewhere
or to me, that's my perspective of it.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
That was the perspective of one of the best selling
books in France in the seventeenth century. It was called
the Plurality of Worlds, and it was the premise was
that when the universe was created, life was spread throughout
the universe and exists on many worlds. And the funny
(35:27):
thing was that's what our founding fathers believed.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yes, beyond ufls, what of the paranormal phenomenon that you've
delved into almost credible or intriguing?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
For me, it's the ability to it's the remote viewing.
The United States Army and the CIA actually developed program,
and I knew Ingo Swan, who was the primary subject
test subject for this program. So if he told me
was mind boggling. But the CIA funded a program which worked,
(36:04):
by the way, called psychic Spine. In one incarnation of
that program, when army officers were brought in to do
the work. In one instance, the remote viewing works at
least worked then was you'd have the viewer and the navigator,
(36:28):
and the navigator wouldn't go anywhere, would sit there and
think of a compass, a GPS point, a plot, and whatever.
Then flooded the viewer's mind without criticizing it, without curating it.
(36:50):
You just write it down raw data. When enough of
the raw data was analyzed, turns out the viewer mentally
was able to go to the spot that the navigator
was thinking about, over and over again. So common was
(37:14):
this that one remote viewer told me that teaching someone
to remote view is like teaching someone to play chopstick
on a piano. So one day this remote this navigative
de size to sentence first enough to find UFOs, writes
(37:36):
down some plot. Here's what the viewer sees. Remember that
the task was a place to find UFOs metal projector
flaw flawed. There's a warship floating in a narrow street,
A metal projectile comes flying at the worship. Bam, there's
(37:59):
an explosion and men die, fire, things broke out, people
laughing in a plane overhead. He reports that sort of Friday,
bright and early Monday morning. He's a major bright and
early Monday morning. General calls him in, holding the report up.
What the hell did you see? I don't know, sir,
(38:22):
I metal projectile hitting a navy ship. I don't know
whose navy it is ours? Maybe where it is, I
don't know. People laughing. General holds up a copy of
the Washington Post. Uss Stark attacked in the Persian Gulf,
exactly the way he saw it forty eight hours before
(38:42):
it happened. Okay, what does it mean? Similarly, we're mustering
for our first episode. Your phone Hunters were met at
the airport in the lounge there by a friend of
(39:05):
one of our guests, test pilot CIA test pilot, and
he tells us this story. He quit the CIA, he
was working at Area fifty one. She quits, he flung
some bucket or boat, some junker. The singles double apart
(39:26):
on him. He says, the hell with this, I quit, leaves,
drops his gear, leaves. He's a private pilot. He's crop
dusty in Florida. A year later, doesn't hear from them.
A year later, landing strip sees black car, white wall tires.
(39:47):
Two guys in suits and black cats standing outside. Find
the CIA. What do they want? Lands the plane? They
walk up, How are you doing? We like to find
out how are you doing? No problems? We hear your
pious licenses up for renewal. Be a shame if for
(40:08):
some reason I wasn't renewed and you couldn't pursue this business.
We can help you with that renewal. Okay, what's the issue?
One more job? One, that's it, No more flying. One
more job that it's done. We hope you with your
license should done. Never hear from us again. Back to
(40:30):
area fifty one. They're in this long hair. There's a
very long hair there. I was there. On one end
there's like a telephone booth. They say, this is a
flight simulator. We're going to give you complicated things. We
(40:54):
want to see if the flight simulator is responsive. Oh
that's a yeah, easy go inside. Blue lights shut off.
Suddenly there's a wave of news. He feels a wave
of nausea, wakes up. This is what the hell is,
(41:14):
looks around, opens the door and he's on the other
side of the hangar. He was the subject of a
transportation device. A transporter. That's a weapon we have.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
You don't have any knowledge, and of course it's more
than been debunked. I think as far as things like
the Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Experiment, yeah, I know all about that. Do you believe
any of it or it's not true? Oh what happened?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Was this.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
In nineteen forty three, forty four? We know at some
point forty four, really, at some point we know we're
going to have to invade the Jetjapanese home Islands. We
never had to for obvious reasons, but we believe that
in order to invade the Japanese Home Islands to end
(42:09):
the war on our terms, we needed to take Okinawa
as an airbase. To do that, the Japanese had mined
the waters around Okinawa with underwater bombs with proximity fuses.
(42:29):
You know, the proximity fuze is A ship's hull is
an electromagnetic envelope. It's a battery. Yeah, it registers. Even
sale books are like that because it's electrified. The problem is,
that's exactly the circuit that a proximity fuze uses to
(42:52):
trigger an explosion. So imagine the problem trying to clear
the mines. But if they had at a vessel whose
hull was not an electromatical, they wouldn't trigger off the mines.
They sell into Okinawa Bay, and that was the experiment
(43:15):
at the Philadelphia Navy Yard.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
So it was at the gasting project.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
So they set up huge This was a Canadian experiment.
They set up huge degaussing devices and they ran the
USS Eldridge through the degaussurs. But the heat was so
intense that it melted the ship and two sailors refused
(43:48):
to the deck. Remember this is being done in secret
because we're invading Japanese home waterers, and it's a way
to itsself exact after what it is electronic stealth to
avoid the Japanese defenses. Right, So, because it's top secret,
(44:13):
the Eldridge is floated down the intracoastal Waterway in a
fog which closes in around the vessel. Spotting the vessel
is a naval officer, naval personnel I'm trying to think
of his name, Dan something or other. He is so
(44:37):
whipped up on what he sees he writes to Maurice
k Jessop, who wrote the book UFO is a real
yes to tell Marris k Jessop about a ship that's
traveled in time or The US Navy was so shaken
up by this story. His name was Carl Allen and
(45:01):
his code name was Carlos Ayende. The Navy was so
concerned about Carlos Allende they asked, we turned a lieutenant
Commander Hoover to investigate the Philadelphia experiment, and he did,
and he became the Navy's UFO man, and he debunked.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Carl Allen said, this next thing I want to ask about,
do you have any knowledge of Camp hero in the
so called mont Talk project?
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Was that pretty much.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Story goes well. First of all, Montalk was a secret point.
It was part of Nikola Tesla's radio broadcasting system. And
in World War One, the Germans used that tower at
(45:54):
Montagu've been there been that tower at Montauk as a
radio beacon homing in on the United States. The Germans
dropped off spies on Long awand many times they disappeared.
There was a story that in the Montalk Observatory, in
(46:16):
that facility, there's a room where experiments were done on
boy Montuk Boys to test their resiliency. What we know
now look called the Montuk Boys. What we know now
(46:39):
know are two things. Three things. One that throughout the
nineteen fifties, routine psychological testing was done out a variety
of people, including Lee Harvey Oswald by the CIA. My
(47:03):
writing partner John Liebert was part of that project called
mk Ultra. We know that we know that at the
end of World War Two, the Russians kept American soldiers
in the Russian sector, didn't release them, sent it back
to Russia. Their identities were processed to be what my
(47:28):
co author Philip Corso called were playbacks. Russian spies americanized
using American identities. You've seen it on TV on Fox
The Americans Three. The McCarthy hearings, as brutal as they were,
were based on that rumor that Soviet Asians had infiltrated America.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Were they programming like sleepers.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
To go in and yeah, yeah, exactly, we're close at
the top of the hour.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
I think I'll take my next break and get that
out of the way and then we can come back
and finish up.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
And yeah, we need to finish up because I need
to title.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yes, sir, okay, We'll be back Charlette, thank you.
Speaker 7 (48:50):
This is Dark Matter News. I'm Joshua Stark. A new
study suggests humans are undergoing a major evolutionary shift, not
just biologically but culturally. According to researchers from the University
of Maine, we may be moving towards something like a superorganism,
where human groups, societies, nations function more like integrated biological entities.
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The central idea is that cultural evolution now trumps genetic evolution,
for example, things like eyeglasses, sea sections, and modern healthcare.
Our ways societies are solving problems that would once have
been shaped by genetics. Survival systems of culture, institutions, shared
(49:39):
knowledge technology are accelerating our ability to adapt. The paper
argues that our well being today is influenced less by
the DNA we inherit and more by the societies we
live in, the technologies we use, in the collective systems
we participate in. However, the offers caution that this isn't
about judging which cos are better.
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This is dark Matter News. Mathematicians are fascinated by a
strange result known as the bonoch Tarsky paradox, which appears
to let you create something from nothing. The paradox arises
in pure mathematics and involves taking a solid sphere, slicing
it into a finite number of pieces, then reassembling those
(51:23):
pieces to form two exact copies of the original sphere.
Same size, same volume. Of course, this sounds impossible to
the physical world. The trick lies in the kinds of
pieces used. These parts are extremely pathological, non measurable sets
that defy the usual way we think about volume, shape,
(51:45):
or even continuity. The paradox depends on accepting the axiom
of choice, a foundational principle in set theory that lets
you select elements from an infinitely many sets even without
a general rule for selection. Without that axiom, this counterintuitive
splitting and reassembly can't be proved. To illustrate, imagine rotating
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points on the sphere by irrational angles and then grouping
them by which last rotation moved them. Because you're dealing
with infinitely many points and rotations, you can partition the
sphere into two spheres. It's like duplicating every microscopic part
through infinite rotating based shuffling. Mathematically, it's rigorous, philosophically, and physically,
(52:38):
it's baffling. It does not mean you can literally manufacture
gold out of air though. Sorry, that's it for dark
matter news. Catch up with us on the Midnight Frequency
Facebook page from Memphis, Tennessee. I'm Joshua Stark.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
How do you see that make so sweet.
Speaker 4 (53:12):
Now there.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Is help on.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
Oh she's a big.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Boat kind of freaks. Want to do with the bed?
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Right?
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Welcome back to my night frequency and I guess Doctor Burns, Sir.
I know you need to get out of here and
take care of your evening. But I wanted to ask,
do you have any other projects besides the h Ancient
Aliens shows you work on that you're in the process of.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Maybe books, sir, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
I have two. I'm working on. I have two books
right now. One book is a basic guide for its
red flags. It is Doctor Spock Charldon BabyCare for the
Digital Age of social media and artificial intelligence. So the
(54:15):
book really deals with how do you raised children? I mean, remember,
you're talking about children who are being raised in if
you look at the twenty year span of this century,
children being raised amidst school shootings, shopping center church shootings,
(54:39):
so they're mass shootings all over and children being raised.
They're having school shooting drills in that environment. That's one
COVID hits and this mass resocialization. And when you emerge,
you're dealing with artificial the intellig intelligence generated forms of
(55:01):
social media. You've seen I'm sure you've heard about this
lawsuit where parents are assuing the artificial intelligence company because
the AI induced the kid to commit suicide. Yeah, and
it's happening more. They're inducing children to commit violence. This
(55:23):
is a book to deal with that. That's one. Two
is a book that is what I think is the
real comprehensive story of the JFK assassination, dealing with JFK's
first assignment as being attached to James Forrestaal's Secretary of
(55:44):
Defense who was in charge of MJ twelve, the UFO
Research Committee dealing with the Roswell material. That's one. So
Kennedy is inaugurated into eufology when he's back in the
nineteen forty, he gets to the White House and he
learns Liberty Split that inside his own Army R and
(56:11):
D is on Pentagon, there is an Army officer, Philip Courso,
who is working on reverse engineering the Risewell Press debris.
And then Kennedy finds out that about the Betty and
Barney Hill abduction. And this is a Kennedy who's under
the influence of methodphetamines from Doctor feel Good and LSD
(56:34):
from Tiothy Leary and just traces the two years from
there as a disaster. And finally Kennedy says, to the
CIA and all bredges of the military, release all your
UFO secrets to the Soviet Union, and that's the end.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
You have a website you'd like to give to our listeners.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
That can general on press www dot had a loan press.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
All right, that contains information about you and also your
other books that you've previously written. Yep, already, sir, well,
I appreciate you being on the show. It's been an honor,
and I will let you get on with your evening
and it's my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
Thank you, Thank you, sir, and you you have a
good one.
Speaker 9 (57:39):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
M.
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The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.