Glenn Steckling Friday May 16th 2025

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Speaker 1 (01:00):
A good evening. This is midnight frequency radio coming from
the northeast Arkansas Foothills of the Ozarks. Our guests, as
seeming is Lenn Stickling. Good evening, mister Stickling, and welcome
to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Thank you for your invitation, and I look forward to
discussing the subject with you and your listeners and hopefully
clear up some of the enormous misinformation that is perpetrated
within this field.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
There seems to be a great deal of it. Also.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh yes, everywhere you turn, people are are sorryfully exploiting
and marketing and so promoting, completely oblivious to the ramifications
and responsibility that are involved in trying to present to

(01:55):
the public something of education and and benefit for their
own good use.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
You were introduced to these visitors, we'll call them, at
a very young age. Can you tell us about that,
How you first was introduced to them.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, my parents grew up during World War Two in
Europe and they witnessed many of these crafts in action,
and they were reboarded by often are air force squadrons
and military pilots and what have you. So my father

(02:40):
was very interested in tracking these devices. And of course
you know that the German scientists had spoken out in
favor of these crafts coming from out of this world
kind of environments, whether it was planets and the sources

(03:01):
in other solar systems. And so when we came to
the when they came to the States and I was
later born, we had a number of sightings in places
like New Orleans and Colorado Springs and eventually Washington, d C.
Right over downtown Washington, d C. It was reported in

(03:24):
the newspaper. There were thirty other witnesses, including a reporter
for the Washington Daily News. And so this motivated my
parents to go to the library Congress and look up,
going alphabetically down the authors to see what kind of
information that was available. And under a for a dam

(03:46):
ski they were the books flying sauficers of landed and
inside the spaceships. And so they had to clear precise photographs,
both camera wise and telescopic. Why of these type of
crafts photographed here in the California region, And so my

(04:06):
father wrote to George, and Georce says, well, I'll be
coming to the East coast to a lecture to the
Air Force reserves and we can meet then, and we met.
We became fast and good friends, personal confidants, and he
introduced us to a number of his space visitor friends.

(04:27):
And after Adamsky passed away in sixty five, that the
rose relationships between those particular visitors and ourselves continued for
the remainder of my parents' lives. The last one we
interacted was with about fifteen years ago, I would say,

(04:50):
And so we were exposed to who, what they were,
what they were capable of doing. Many many of these incidents,
as I put down in my latest book there the
one you have the picture of on the preview, the
UFO reality kin truth Prevail, and so these accounts are

(05:16):
incorporated within that publication. And the reason behind this book
was that I wanted to chronicalize the vast amount of
information and endeavors and hard work that we all put

(05:38):
into this in order to bring to the public some
truth in reality. My parents went before twenty two scientists
NASA Guide Space Flight Center. That was an invitation by NASSA.
By the way, Shortly thereafter an invitation arrived from Colonel
Freeman at the Pentagon to do the same thing, and

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so on and so forth. And so I come from
an era where this particular field was extremely I was
taken very seriously. They did not take any of this
hocus pocus garbage feature creature feature that we hear that

(06:20):
we hear in today's UH, you know, UFO reports or
or whatever. And so I'm my foundation is a little
bit more securely rooted in UH in these realities we've had.

(06:42):
I've had conferences with a number of high ranking scientists
and and of course UH in my profession, I'm a
retired airline violot now, but over the years I interacted
with many different people both as civilian military environment that
also had sightings, substantial sightings, and would tell you straight

(07:07):
to your face that the visitation of these alien spacecraft
is an absolute reality. There's nothing focus pocus about it.
The only hocus pocus has come downstream of what people
want to claim the occupants of these crafts are, and

(07:27):
and that basically mimes whatever is in the science fiction
genre at this particular time. So I give you an
example when when the movie Stargate came out, within weeks
some of these UFO personalities were out running around claiming
stargates and and and you know, making all kinds of accusations,

(07:51):
none of which they could prove anything. Of and and
so we see this in this field, that whatever is
generated within the media is quickly absorbed and metamorphized into
the UFO field. And and that's a shame because all

(08:14):
that does is continue to confuse people more and more,
and and and actuality. That is the agenda by many
of these organizations and people is to confuse the subject
more and more. So, like I said, we had to
contact with theme and and you and I discussed earlier

(08:37):
some of the events that occurred and UH and what
have you. So I am I have adamantly redirected some
of my endeavors and my energies in order to make
sure that I vocalized a truth, rational and factual based

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identification of this this particular field and try to offset
some of the terrible misleading statements that are just flung
around out there by UFO personalities. That the the the
misinformation is actually become more prevalent from the civilian side.

(09:31):
One intelligent agent in the seventies said, we don't have
to go out there and deny everything and and try
to negate everything like we used to do in the
past with the men in black and the intelligence agency
agents and and UH publications were planted and and in

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order to to beat down this subject, he says, you know,
the people, but within this field, they're doing such a
good job of messing it up that we don't have
to worry about it anymore. The truth and that's the truth,
and that's what I have experienced.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
The appearance of aliens I gather look mostly like us humanoids.
I mean, if they were on Earth beside us, you
walk past them on the street, you wouldn't unassociate them
with just the standard human race.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
That's correct. And in fact, astronaut Gordon Cooper on the
MURV Griffin Show in the seventies I think it was
seventy seven, but it may have been seventy five, he
basically said, yeah, I've seen these crafts and I've had
interactions with their human occupants, and a number of astronauts

(10:53):
have made a similar type of statements. And I know
Ed Mitchell is very or was very vocal about his contacts,
and the scientists are all talking about people like you
and I. This terrible misrepresentation that anything that comes off

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of this world has to be monstrous or grotesque is
nothing more than science fiction propaganda, That's all it is.
We go into the Hollywood studio and we make up
the horrendous looking beast we possibly can, and that now
becomes the alien. And unfortunately, that type of visual projection

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impacts people, especially the young people, and so consequently it
gets embedded within their psyche and so they come to
accept that it has to be monsters out there where
in And the opposite thing is that the human genome

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is one of the most common manifestations in the universe.
No matter where you go in the universe, you will
find human beings and they are if they are capable
of space travel, that is quite a technologically advancement of
several thousand years behind us. Then you may find some

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You will find them to be more refined, living in
a more socially justice system where their people in populations
are treated equitably. And if you go to a place
where you have people that are still like here, or
you can go to a place where the people are

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even worse off, then you find a more crude representation
of the human being. And that doesn't mean that you
are now growing an arm our leg out of your head.
Crude is meaning on you know, that means representation, That
means how you express yourself. And I think we can

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see that from a cutaway of conditions here on our
own words, where you can go to some places on
the planet and the people are very vulgar, aggressive and
warlike versus other people who have pulled themselves up by
their bootstraps to a more civilized accommodation for their citizens.

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So it's important to realize that the molecules the organic chemistry.
For instance, a fellow by the name of doctor Panamkura
Paruma used to run the Maryland Biochemical Laboratory. He wrote

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an excellent book called The Principles of Life, and he
explained in there how chemically and magnetically the molecules and
elements and atoms come together, and those are the same
no matter where you go. That is a unified development

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in space throughout the cosmos. This is the material that
composes our planet and rains down on us in order
to start the seedlings of life which evolve from there.
And so I remember listening to one particular show in
which the host asked one of these personalities, well, you know,

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if you go into this in this place, wouldn't you
expect to find people like we have here? And this
person said Oh no, no, that isn't so, and that
it has to be this way and this way, this
way and this way. And basically, these people don't know
what in the world they're talking about. Just make it up.
They have no fact, no foundation, no credibility, but they're

(15:07):
out there blabbing their heads. In this field, people have
to be very cautious and they have to be very
objective and critical from what's out there. I'd like to
say that I don't make any statements that I can't

(15:27):
back up, I can't prove. I just don't flip them
off the top of my head and say too bad.
You just have to accept my word for it, because
I wouldn't do that listening to someone else. So no,
it's important to provide some substance and some reality to things.

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And then you find out you get a smaller reception
because everybody likes to, you know, have their science fiction
bone tickled, but you get a more shall we call
it enthusiastic, and a more reality based reception, And that

(16:15):
to me is much more important than drawing in the crowds.
I mean, I've lectured in continents in many, many countries
all over the world, and I find that some places
you get a better interaction with people than others. I mean,
in the twenty eighteen and nineteen I was in and

(16:35):
out of Italy many times and speaking, and in fact
that brought about the Italian translation and publication of my
book and in Italy, and it will be soon out
French and Spanish as well. So there's a rotation of

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interest and a rotation of accept and and so I
find people overseas right now in a much more positive,
responsive mood than in this country. This country has become
saturated with every absurd, ridiculous claim in the book.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
They seem to be visiting and offering us help in
different aspects of our lives. And it seemed like in
your book the government didn't really want this, They didn't
even want them here. I think there was a part
in the book that said that they were teaching farmers

(17:43):
how to grow crops quicker and larger. Can you explain that.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, there's much more productive. They came and they've come
through throughout history. I mean, go anywhere in the world
where the ancient societies were, whether there was Tibet, whether
it was Polynesia, South America, Inca, Mayans, Aztecs, Egyptians, India,

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pick any one of them. They all have historical records
of people who have come from the sky or come
from a distant location in order to help them. And
remember that in those times there was nothing to compare
it to today. We look up in the sky and

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we see thousands of planes and helicopters and drones and
everything like that. In those days, none of those things existed.
So when somebody came from the sky, the only way
to depict that is to draw them with wings at it.
This is a symbolic method on which you are conveying
a message. And what a lot of confusion comes historically too,

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because we don't really understand what symbology means. We're so
used to a written alphab alphabet and text message, and
you know, there's some There are many different ways of
recording incidences and historical occurrences than by stamping it on

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a plate or papyra eye or what have you. And
so these people that come to have visited us came
to be of assistance if we didn't want them not, fine, Okay,
we go away, We'll come back some other time in
history where you may be more conducive to a friendly
or progressive interaction, and they brought the greater knowledge of

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agriculture in order to feed the people successfully and to
reduce some of the poverty and inequity that that we
had perpetuated in our societies even to this day. Like
you mentioned that one article included in a book where
the farmer in Mexico was confronted by space visitor and

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this person taught on how to build how to grow cabbages,
you know, one hundred times the size, and to produce
more food per square footage than was currently being done.
And this fellow went to the government of Mexico and
they came and investigated it, and they wanted nothing to
do with any of it. So, and that's not any

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different in whether it's Mexico or any other country. We
are steadfast trying to micro manage the progress or lack
of progress on this world, so that there are not

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great changes. You know. The questions always asked, now what
in fact it was just recently again was that you know,
how come they don't come out and show themselves and
we're not ready and we are ready, and what have you?
And I pointed out in the book Pardner here that

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that they have been flying in formations over a nation's capital,
over countries capitals London, Paris, d c Rome, Johannesburg, India, Russia, Japan, everywhere.
I mean, you know, they have made themselves few able,

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but they do it in graduated terms so that they
know that the people are not mentally prepared for vast change.
And this is what I pointed out on one of
my previous shows. That everybody says, oh, I can handle it,
you know, we're ready, we can do it whatever, until

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you point out to them that that just the exploration
and revelations behind one principle alone would change the entire
method of how we do things on this world. And
that means that the other guy doesn't have to just change,
You have to change too. We are very enthusiastic about

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claiming others should change and they should be ready, but
when it comes personally to us to change, then the
you know, the enthusiasm quickly dies. And so you know,
if the see not the secret, because it isn't really
a secrets in front of us every day of every
second or every moment, but the revelations behind electromagnetic energy

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and free energy that the planet produces like a vanograph
generator unlimited and you know, cannot be charged for by
the electric company and what have you. This alone would
completely collapse our economic systems, our stock markets and and

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you know, investments and retirements and everything like that, just
one thing alone. People aren't ready for that, and they're
not ready to deal with it in piecemeal conditions either,
so that it doesn't have to come as one big,
you know, drop of the bucket, so to speak. And

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so the Space people understand that we are very indecisive,
we are very insincere, we are very unreliable, and so
consequently they do things as they see fit when they're
dealing with such a topsy turvy type of environment on

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the planned And so I can only say that, having
met them, that I give them one hundred percent of
my confidence. I've seen what they have done, and I
have seen what they wouldn't do because the reasons involved
with that. And so they are aware of the here,

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we do things haphazardly, we don't care boom will do this,
and we don't think about the downstream repercussions, the domino
effect of these things. And so they do pay attention
to that because they know what that responsibility is and
upon who it will fall. And so they don't want to,

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you know, take over our responsibility and our choice. This
is for us to decide and not to be pushed
upon us like so much of the New Age stuff, Oh,
the Age of Aquarius, the age of this, age of that,
and then they, you know, some benevolent galactic force or
federation which doesn't exist, and we'll just force us all

(25:11):
into this new awareness. Well that's a bunch of bs,
because we are all different people on this world with
different levels of understanding. It would be like into a
elementary school and plucking out the students and shoving them
into you know, postgraduate university. Now, they wouldn't be able

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to comprehend it or act upon it. And so they
are much more conscientious than we are. And so I,
you know, I think that they have done a tremendous
amount of activity. I know that they have saved us
from too nuclear scores or confrontations to have contacted presidents

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and religious leaders. Georgia Davski himself took Eisenhower and fifty
four out to the California desert to have a meeting
with one of the space fips and their occupants and
he took Kennedy as well out and I believe it
was sixty two, and so they you know, we have

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the information we need. It's just a matter of the
fact that it's not drifting down to you and I
and everybody else. And in some circumstances people aren't interested either.
They're so consumed with working their ten hours a day
and then their marital or relationship issues, and then the

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children and what have you. And so you know this,
they're not greatly concerned with outside agendas or principles or
what have you.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
You mentioned the domino effect. I was seeing the part
where if something happens to our planet, it it doesn't
just involve us, it ripples outward.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's correct. One of the reasons that the space people
came was because of our atomic testing. On November one,
nineteen fifty two, we tested our first hydrogen bomb, which
was bigger than all the bombs we had ever constructed
and put together in all the world's wars and other

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wars combined. And then on November twentieth, then they landed
and came together with Georgia Damski, and then that relationship
continued to grow from there, and so what they said
is that when you let go of a nuclear weapon,

(28:03):
it does several things. First of all, it sets up
a ringing literally the core of the planet vibrates destructively
because of that, and so consequently they we were playing

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with the weapons that could destroy our world, and they
came and taught us that what you do on your
world is your affair, but when it affects us outside
of your world, then we have the right to say
something about it. And what they explained was that in

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the Solar System, all the planets are geographically and magnetically
spaced in order to maintain a balanced system. So like
years in a watch, they continue to intermash in the world.
It works perfectly, but if you pull one out, then

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the rest of them start to cave inwards towards that
vacant spot that was before separated by magnetic balance. So
if we destroy the Earth, this will eventually also cause
the disruption and destruction of the rest of the planets

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in the Solar System and send us to an early
black hole status, upon which the Sun goes supernova. All
the materials in the Solar System gets sucked into it
and disassembled. Their magnetic properties are annullified, so all the
elements and atoms are disassembled, and then as they go

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to the black hole out the other side, they are
re energized so that they can supply the materials for
the next solar system to start construct itself to replace
the one that was just destroyed. Of course, this is
happening over a number of millions of years. But the

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idea is that if we artificially do something that is
so ridiculously negative to ourselves, it affects more than just ourselves.
And I think we see that. We see that today,
We see that in parts of the world where you know,

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four hundred million tons of pollutants are distributed out of
the Asian continent and Indian continent to sums that cannot
be You still there, Yeah, I'm here.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Are you there down for a second?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Okay? An internet headcut. Yeah. So, while in the Western world,
our politicians tell us we have to pay more taxes
for carbon taxes and things like that to save the world,
in reality, the other countries cause you know, a million

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times more destructiveness because they don't want to adhere to
any of those restrictions. And so we we get into
a system where the politicians in the Western world have
found a good way to play upon the people's insecurities
and thinking, Okay, well you know, if we pay more,

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we make this difference, and in reality it's not even
one tenth of one percent, and so everybody is gaming
the system.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah. Yeah, there's a number of different types ships that
these visitors use. I heard there was large cigar shaped
craft and then irregular disc shaped and.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yes there is a first of all, as I described
in the book as well, anything that's square, triangular, cubicle,
anything that has protrusions and aerodynamic type of assemblage to

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the fuse ledger, any of that. That's all our stuff.
This is not extraterrestrial. And I would say that a
good sixty to sixty five percent of what is reported
and seen is misidentified. And not only that, you know,
we we have so many new types of aircraft and

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military equipment and what have you that is developed already
twenty years ago and we just get to know about
it today due to the lag effect that people misidentify
things and they mix it up with weather phenomena as well.
But real authentic space crafts are based upon a cigar shaped,

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bell shaped, or lenticular type of craft, and these crafts
are this way constructed because the energy propulsion system flows
around the craft almost like a living force, you know,

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permeating from your skin. And so they design the ship
that is required by the propulsion system. Where we designed
the propulsion system, and then do it the other way around.
And so that's why they're successful and where not. And
so when the energy system and it's not anti gravity,

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and there's no anti matter, there's nothing anti anything. It's
pro gravity. It works with the gravitational system, not against it.
Because you could never generate enough power to counter the
electromagnetic forces and fields that the planet itself just exudes.

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Why would you have to develop something that negates one
hundred trillion volts of energy and then has to regenerate
it again in order to make something successful when you
can just go along with how nature itself works. And
so this energy that they tap into like a current

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in the ocean, or like a like a direction of
the stream of a mountain stream, as it's going in
a particular direction, they merge with it and use it
in conjunction with their needs. So they find that this
is not only a lot easier, but a much more

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progressive form of science. What they call natural science, where
here we have nothing more than theory, proposition, opinion, all
about stuff we don't know, not a thing. I mean,
it's really pretty pathetic when you think about how we
are projecting about what is over in the solar system

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one hundred and twenty light years away, when we haven't
got a real clue about any of it, that's for sure, right,
And so so it's it's the nature also of our
academic system that perpetuates this type of behavior as well.

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But anyway, so the shape of a cigar shaped craft
or the shape of and there's plenty of pictures of
this in the book of the lenticular football shaped and
bell shaped craft is conducive to the real energy that
they use to travel space, and that produces a ionic

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field around the craft, and the faster the craft goes,
the larger that field becomes. So, for instance, you take
there's a cigar shaped craft that may be well, some
of the smaller ones are two miles long, but and

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it's constructed like a thermos. There are three hulls, and
so as the faster that craft goes, the field around
it generators becomes larger and larger and larger, until it
may be as much as ten times or a hundred
times further extended than the actual craft itself. And this

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protection field, if you want to use a scientific sci
fi turn, you know, a shield or what have you
that extends from the craft protects them from the penetration
of space debris, meteoric debris, asteroid debris, molecules, the storms

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that are in space which are equivalent in nature, but
much much larger in size like we have here. And
and so this protects the craft and keeps the occupants
safe in a comfortable environment. And that has to flow

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along the smooth constructive of these type of craft. Anything
that would be triangular or anything else, this would just
tear them apart. So and what people are seeing oftentimes
is manifestations of our own military and development and that

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and this comes from many different avenues. You have one
side that does one thing. Let's say, for instance, you
have the aerodynamics industry in Palmdale, California. They develop stuff
stuff based upon standard aerodynamics like we use for airliners
and things. Then you have another group that works with

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an atomic crossover and like the aurora and other devices.
And then you have a completely different one that works
with the electromagnetic field. That they do not trade information.
And that's why you have many types of these devices seen,

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because each one has their own, you know, pet project
and development within themselves. So like I say, the real
ships are can be as large as twenty miles long,
and so that this type of device is used to

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travel the deep regions of space to other systems and
what have you. Because the population is like a small
city and very comfortably maintained in there.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
This with your father and the government seemed to have
an interest in keeping an eye on y'all. And I
enjoyed your father's sense of humor. If you were being
monitored by the powers that be sitting in vehicles walks
away keeping an eye on you, he decided to take

(40:23):
a pot of coffee to the people in the vehicle
that we're watching, y'all.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, what happened there was we were in Silver, Maryland,
and George was in town. And so George and our
family and the road of her family were all together
in the same house. And this house was at the
end of a cul de sac, and so my father

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looked out the window down there and there was parked
one of the intelligence agencies, Sedan with two agents in it.
So he says to me, he says, well, let's go
down there and bring the boy some coffee, because it's
got to be cold sitting there all night. So we
walked down this long driveway, sloping driveway down there, and

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he thumped on the top of the roof and these
two guys they jumped nearly through the roof, you know,
like one of those cartoons where the impressions of their
heads and faces were in the roof. But he laughed
and he gave him some coffee, and he said to me,
you know, I'm glad to see you guys here and
in the agent behind the wheel set house. So he says, well,

(41:35):
obviously I know that your higher ups are superiors don't
waste their time. So obviously obviously they know we have
something to say and have some actual experiences to back it,
because otherwise you wouldn't be here watching us. And so,

(41:58):
so you know, that incident went by. And then some
time later, a different day, my dad said he made
some arrangements with one of the space visitors who came
to the house, and so he said to me, come on,
and he took a flashlight and we went back down

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that gravel road to the end of the call to Sack,
and there was the car parked again. And then he
started to flash a sequence of light flashes into a clear,
dark night, no clouds, nothing to reflect off or refract from.
There were no other houses, there's nothing else there. And

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then within a few moments the exact same sequence shot
back down and lit the entire called to Sack up
like an intense light beam at a circus or something
like that. Lit it up, flashing in the same sequences
that he had flashed up. And that car started an engine,

(43:00):
and boy, those guys peeled out of there. And uh.
And then we didn't see them for a while. And
then a little while later there was a new new
car with new agents in there. Those other guys never
came back. That was more than they could handle. So
they yeah, they they got more than they expected. And

(43:22):
uh and so and these are ways that if you
think about it, you might say, well, that is, you know,
a non direct way of doing things. But I guarantee
you those agents in that car will never forget that experience,
no doubt. So it translated the message in a simple

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way without any confusion or misrepresentation. And and so these
are the kind of things that I remember very clearly.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
I was reading a part where they had to evacuate
their planet and move to a new one, and some
humans volunteered to join them. Can you tell us about that?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Well, they are discovering that our solar system, in which
they are part of, is slowly going into its degeneration cycle. So,
like everything else, you know, there's a point where you're
born and and there's a useful life expanse then and

(44:34):
then in a slow period of time, you start to
decline until you go through the resurrection of life again.
And so they have found that our solar system is
in this declining stage, and that's why they have come
in such numerous numbers and continue to do so to

(45:00):
monitor us geologically. If you spend any time listening to
this field, A number of these crafts have been seen
flying into active volcanoes like Popo down there near Mexico City,
and flying into the ocean out there near the Marianas
Trench and out in the Caribbean as well as I

(45:21):
can't remember the number of that trends off the top
of my head, but they go into the deepest parts
of the ocean to monitor the mantle and how the
planet itself health wise is doing. And they have discovered
that we get more and more volcanic activities, more and

(45:41):
more the changes in climate that affect tornadoes and typhoons
and hurricanes and everything else. So there are vast changes
happening with the planet will continue to accelerate to do so.
And so they have determined that for a number of years,

(46:02):
probably several hundred, that they are slowly transporting their people
off their planets to the next solar system off of Centauri.
And there's also Wove three point fifty nine and a
few others in which they have decided that that solar
systems are younger in age and will be along for

(46:23):
longer periods of time. And so they, like the pioneers
of old times, they went westward. In this case it
was further away from the system, and they are transporting
their people in technology all to these areas. And a
couple one hundred thousand people from this planet have been

(46:47):
invited and accepted the invitation to go to the system
as well. They have not been abducted. While there may
be abductions, they are not alien abductions. And there's a
huge difference. Yeah, a huge, huge difference. And as you know,

(47:08):
in my book, I think it was chapter ten I
dealt with that specifically. And so a number of people
have decided to you know, move away and and start
somewhere else, and I think that's that's a wise decision.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
There was a section covering two subjects such as cattle
mutilation and whatnot. They're not actually the ones that are doing.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
This, absolutely not, absolutely not. And so yeah, and this
is the shame of these television programs and these UFO
personalities that run around and scream about this, I mean,
and they and they, and they make totally inaccurate statements like, well,

(47:57):
this can't be yes, because we don't have the technology. Nonsense.
We've had the technology already since the sixties. We had masers,
the predetermined lasers and so on and so forth, a
biological type of weaponry that we have experimented with on
our own livestock and our own uh you know, plant

(48:20):
and animal. And don't don't for a moment think they
have an experimented on humans either, because they have. And
so consequently, how convenient is that if something's missing, it's
the aliens. If something's not right, it's the aliens. It's
always somebody or something else, but never homegrown, because when
it's homegrown, you have to do something about it. And

(48:42):
God forbid, it's a lot more fun for these people
to to to promote these type of ridiculous nonsense. Nobody
travels millions and hundreds of millions of miles of space
so that they can, you know, stick a probe of
somewhere up on you. It will come on. Yeah, I mean,

(49:04):
it is truly the the the ignorance of the general
public is only matched by their unwillingness to rationalize things
like this so that they can have some answers. They

(49:26):
always want somebody else to come up with the answers
for them, that they don't have to do any work.
They don't have to think. All they'll do is say, well,
he said, she said, they said whatever. The heck, it's
always somebody else, And so, you know, the the these
people who travel space are such so much more refined

(49:49):
and aware and understanding then we possibly give them credit for.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Are they still visiting us?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah, it goes in cycles. Some things are more like
in the forties and fifties there was a larger influx,
you know, even into the sixties when we changed, when
we determined that we didn't want change, and that we
were going to kill our own leaders in order so

(50:26):
that things would continue to be as they always were.
They brought their efforts to other places. For a while,
they were in the former Soviet Union and the Russians
had opened up abandoned military bases and the steps of Russia,

(50:46):
and these were free landing zones for them to come
down talk to a number of scientists. In nineteen eighty nine,
we were doing conference in Frankfurt, Germany, and much information
like this was discussed.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
And.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
So, you know, they go, it's like anywhere else. You know,
if I open my front door and I here next
door the people throwing ditions in each other and slamming
us and screaming at each other and shooting at each other,
and then on the other side of the house there's
a bunch of people having a backyard party, serving margaritas
and barbecue. I think it's pretty simple where I'm going

(51:26):
to go. Well, I'm not going to waste my time
until these people have worn out there raising this in
order to even be able to hear lit alone follow
anything else. And that's part of The biggest problem here

(51:46):
that in a way, we do not have progress because
of ourselves. In order to have a unified progress, you
have to have everybody working for you. Cannot people in
some countries say, oh, we are so poor and disenfranchised,
so we have to come to yours and and and

(52:08):
exploit the benefits that you people have worked yourselves for
for so long and uh and then diminish the overall
level of everything. Whereas on their worlds they all work
constructively together and and that we don't do here. That's
why we have so many problems.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
You know, well you have plenty of those.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Do you still have the materials that were passed on
to your dad and then on to you in a
safe place?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Oh? Yes, absolutely, Yes. I am the last surviving member here,
and I have all the records and materials of high
value in the in the vault, and and so there's
there's I could never live long enough to categorize everything

(53:10):
and and preserve everything, and so but I have it
all and will continue to maintain it. And what happens
after I pass, well, that's uh something I don't have
to worry about. So but unfortunately I am the last

(53:44):
uh connection or association to those original not only my parents,
but also to George and and so. So you know,
I wouldn't dump all this stuff on on somebody else
who has no ability to answer for it or know

(54:05):
what it all means. So, you know, choices then become
limited on what I will and won't do with some
of it down the road.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
What do you view on crop circles?

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Well, we know that some of them have been openly falsified,
openly counterfeited. This we know the people in Britain have
admitted to some of that like anything else. And another
thing is that we have orbital ray machines, whether they

(54:48):
are sonic or magnetic or infrared, what have you. We
blast these out in the space, and we also blast
them towards our planet and such. Some of this equipment
is capable of doing these type of manifestations as well.
My issue is that if any of them are real,

(55:12):
then what's the purpose Because the manifestations themselves are so
obscure that whatever message might be try to convey is
not coming across and the space. People that I've known

(55:32):
always make sure that information is directly transferred to you. So,
in other words, if they want to talk to and
to give you some information or something. They come and
give it to you. They don't use some kind of
you know, channeling nonsense or any of this stuff. This

(55:52):
is not them. So let's make something very clear. We'll
upset many of your listeners, but I don't care. Metaphysics, psychism,
new agism, these have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with
UFOs and extraterrestrial visitations and intelligence. These are all manifestations

(56:15):
that we have constructed. And so consequently this when you
start to peel away the layers of these type of things,
then not only does it put a lot of people

(56:36):
away from the camera and out of a job and
away from the cash machine, but they also starts this
would start to clarify and solidify what is really going
on there. Everybody is so constantly in throw with the

(57:02):
argumentation of you know, do these things exist, don't they exist?
Are there? People? Are there? Not people? What have you?
And so this roundabout is like the gopher in the
cage continues to run around, round and around and it
never gets anywhere. And that's done on purpose because the

(57:24):
amount of facts these crafted visitors are literally into the
hundreds of thousands, twelve thousand reports and documentation was submitted
by Nightcap to the US Congress already in the nineteen sixties,

(57:45):
and also by Major Keyho and Senator Barry Goldwater who
was a general as well. He was told he doesn't
have the authorization to look at any of this. Presidents
that we gave them. Kennedy was the last who really
got any real information. They're not capable of accessing this,

(58:10):
you know. So when your politicians, whether it happens to
be Clinton, Obama or anybody else, tells you that, you know, well,
don't worry. You know, I'll push to get this, you know,
out in the public. That's nothing more than bait for
sucker voters, that's all it is. Because they don't have
the classification to look at this material themselves even And

(58:34):
that tells you something right there. So so so, you know,
and so there was a giant push in the sixties
to go to get some the public information out, and
they had hearings with Professor McDonald in sixty eight and ah,
so many many others, you know, really legitimate people. And

(58:59):
unlike the the copycat attempts in ninety two and then
a few years ago as well, you know, that's nothing
but a circus show. But so the amount of information
is really staggering. And and I think anybody who does

(59:23):
some some grounded research I can see that for themselves.
I give you an example, how how the perpetuation of
misinformation has just become second nature. You know, I gotta
I gotta contact for that used to work for one

(59:46):
of the television shows that that was on television and
having to do with this subject. And they're saying, well,
you know they're going to come out and talk about
a damn ski and the tall Nordics again. And I said, again, again,
what he talked? I said, you know, he talked about contacts.

(01:00:07):
You know, one guy was five foot six with Mediterranean
olive complexion. The only difference was he may have blondish hair.
I says, how does that make that tall Nordic? And
then when he described the rest of the people that
he interacted with, men and women of different race and
color and hair color and eye color, I said, how
does that make them Nordic? But nobody wants to to

(01:00:30):
challenge them. And that's why they keep me at arm's
length as well, because they know that the moment they
open their mouths with this kind of nonsense, I know,
I'll jump down their throat so far and they know it,
so they don't want any controversy. The controversy is the

(01:00:52):
ones that they want to construct and perpetuate. So it's
the same thing like the like the accusations that the
spaceships are really constructions of the Nazis, and you know,
it all happened in a Antarctica. And so I asked
this one person, I says, you do realize that in

(01:01:13):
nineteen thirty five, the Germans had only been in power
for two years and Antarctica was divided into seven different
divided by seven different countries with over sixty installations. So
this persona that you are are perpetuating that they're down there,
you know, and have transported all the material into that
hostile in my environment in order to create manufacturing centers

(01:01:36):
and industries and all of this is absolute hope and
poke them and everybody just shakes their head because they
don't they don't follow up on what somebody said. And
I said, you know, I mean my grandfather had died
in the war a German military officer. Pennamunda was open

(01:02:00):
and thirty eight thirty nine became active and the V
one and forty, the V two and forty three, and
the V six, which was supposed to be a saucer
type craft of different construct came towards the end of
the war. They didn't even get it to fly success.

(01:02:21):
So and then I said to him, well, what about
the motherships? So the cigar shaped ships that are up
in orbit, that have been photographed not only around our
planet but in the atmosphere and on the moon. Are
you telling me that the Germans built spaceship that's several
miles long and yet they lost the war? I said,

(01:02:41):
come on, ye, I think, and I think Tim Good,
which most people know author wise, the British author I've
known him since the sixty and his book Above Top Secret.
He says, you know, there's every so often somebody tries
to resurrect this Nazi bypass, this attempt to circumnavigate the

(01:03:07):
real stuff and blame it once again on something here.
And I did a program with one of these people
who is the big proponent of that, and so it
was also one where we had to open channel in
order to view pictures and stuff, and I produced historical

(01:03:28):
pictures back to nineteen ten. We're taking of these craft.
I said, how what can you claim that these were
the Nazi Germans? I mean, it's preposterous. And I said,
then let's look at the paintings and the medieval art
that shows these crafts painted into the scenery, and the

(01:03:49):
fact that Leonardo da Vinci even had one. I said,
you can claim da Vinci was a Nazi too, now,
I mean, so no, And of course the show guy says, well,
we'll talk again sometime. That's never happened.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Yeah, well, let's six after the top of the hour.
We'll take a break here in case you need to
refresh your water or whatever, and we'll be back in
about five minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Okay, I'll be here, all right, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
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update from last week. After spending fifty three years in orbit,
the Soviet spacecraft Cosmos four eighty two has finally re
entered Earth's atmosphere, landing harmlessly in the Indian Ocean near Jakarta, Indonesia,
according to Russia's space agency Ross. Cosmos launched in nineteen

(01:05:53):
seventy two as part of the Soviet Union's Venera program
aimed at studying venus Cosmos four eight two suffered a
booster malfunction that left it stuck in Earth's orbit instead
of continuing to Venus. The main body of the spacecraft
re entered the atmosphere in nineteen eighty one, while the lander,

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in orbit until now. Though it is unclear whether the
landers survived intact due to its durable design, it's likely
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Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Was on five one.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Let's see, Hey, this is Carl Richardson with Midnight Frequency Radio.
We're back, mister stickling or I haven't returned?

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Yep, I'm here already.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
You mentioned the craft on the moon before. They also
have a tubular basis also on the Moon, don't they.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
That's correct. The other societies that are traveling space have
been used to Moon as a excellent observation post and
in fact, the late doctor Carl Sagan said that the
Moon was an exceptional observation facility in order to be

(01:10:38):
able to keep an eye on things on Earth and
what have you. And although many of the majority of
the bases on the backside of the Moon, people have
to realize many do not of the dynamics of the moon.
The moon, the front is is lit for fourteen days
out of the month, and the backside of the Moon

(01:10:58):
is lit up for fourteen days out of the month
as well, and so it is not always dark on
the other side. And so the gravitational forces of the
Earth that are exerting themselves on the Moon, which elongates

(01:11:21):
the front part of the Moon's magnetic field and an
atmosphere and what have you, are stronger than on the
back side of the Moon, which only makes sense. And
when you think about how much influence the Moon has
on the Earth as far as the ocean tides are
concerned and what have you, one can only imagine as

(01:11:46):
well how much the Earth affects the Moon and its
grips solid in its orbit around the Earth as well.
So these bases in the book, there's a picture from
Mount Wilson the nineteen thirties of the Cassindi crater, which
is there's two of them, greater Cassende minor Gossinde. The

(01:12:09):
greater one shows tubular constructions running in all different directions
through the floor of Cassendi Crater, out through the rims
and continuing on along the Lunar Service and what have you.
All of them clearly acknowledged as artificial manifestations. So we have,

(01:12:33):
you know, those kind of places, and also we have
some of our own as well. If you read Colonel
Crusoe's book Today after Oswell, he talks about being in
the Pentagon and discussing what they call Operation Rainbow, which
was from nineteen fifty seven to nineteen sixty seven to

(01:12:55):
put up a lunar construction and manet with twenty permanent
personnel on the Moon. Yeah, and they not only did
he say, but other sources have said that they were
successful in that project. And so we had people on
the moon before the famous moon landing of follow eleven.

(01:13:18):
And that had dramatic effect on some of the astronauts
when they found out that during those years they were
all highly commissioned military officers and pilots, and when they
found out that they had not been told the truth either,
it affected some of them dramatically, Neil Armstrong being one

(01:13:41):
of them. So the Moon is good for a number
of things. I think if you look in our first,
our first nineteen eighty one book, we discovered alien bases
on the Moon, which I revised in nineteen ninety seven,
you will find that a large number of photos that

(01:14:04):
show a strip mining and reservoirs and all kinds of
activity going on the lunar service. And that's because it's
rich in minerals, helium three, gold, all our precious minerals.

(01:14:25):
And not only that, probably more of these minerals than
we have here on Earth that we are making the
deals for, whether it's in Ukraine or anywhere else. But
the Moon has a large, large supply. And of course,

(01:14:45):
even though the Moon has only sixty percent of the
Earth's gravity, and that's provable, and in fact I supplied
the mathematics of that in the book as well, which
we had already in my newer book, which we already
had done in the Alien Base his book. So but
still under sixty percent, that still provides a lower gravitational

(01:15:11):
field upon which to make successful constructions, whether it happens
to be surface, subsurface, or vehicle wise that moves around
the lunar surface. So I think, I mean, I've had
telescopes since I was about twelve years old. And I'm

(01:15:32):
not talking about me, I'm talking the family. You know,
we started out with a twelve and a half inch
reflector moved up to an eighteen inch and had a
number of lunar observations. Good friend of mine, a late
aerospace engineer, also did extensive filming DVD recording from his

(01:15:52):
telescope on lunar activity as well. And I have those archives,
and so I don't think that it's a stretch of
any imagine a see that the Moon makes an ideal

(01:16:14):
spot where you know, it's a little bit safer at
least on the back side of the Moon's We've fired
lasers and things like that at the Moon, and we
were even also so stupid to contemplate exploding a nuclear
weapon on the Moon. I mean, you know, you got
to wonder sometimes, where in the world is our brain

(01:16:37):
It's it's it's you know, it's it's it's sheer lunacy.
You think you can just blow up the Moon and
that's not going to affect the Earth at all. Yeah,
I mean, the stupidity of our own people knows no boundaries.
So but like I said, the book shows, you know,

(01:16:59):
atmosphere on the Moon, solar wind on the Moon, that's
why the flag waves things like this. Since we're talking
about the Moon, you know, there's so many people who
have decreed that the Moon missions were faked and the
Moon landings were faked. And my god, you really have

(01:17:20):
to have something screw loose upstairs to not look at
the material. The Saturn five launching out of Florida and
Cape Canaveral, the you know, the tracking by telescopes all
the way to the Moon, not only official ones but
civilian ones as well. Then there's somebody running around saying

(01:17:42):
the Moon is just a hologram. That's too ridiculous to
even answer, too stupid to even think about. And so
we've had a very viable mission. You can look at
the photos, thousands of them, and that's what we did.

(01:18:06):
We ordered the microfilms and catalogs from NASA in the seventies,
so we are probably one of the only people who
have first generation unblemished copies in our safe that shows
some of this activity of the Moon. And I remember
I flew used to fly with L ten eleven's with

(01:18:29):
John Leear and because he became a big advocate of
this lunar fakery stuff, and I said to him, you've
got to be kidding me, And I pulled the pictures
out of the vault and I showed it to him
and he said, well, there's no way that that can
be faked. I said, yeah, no kidding. So why you're
out there promoting misinformation? Is this just a matter so
that you can hear your own voice on radio? And

(01:18:53):
so this idea that you can't travel beyond Earth because
of the Van Allen radiation belts, what a bunch of nonsense.
It's charged particles, that's all that is. And there's several
different belts. Sometimes there's more, sometimes there's less, not any
different than the charge particles you're walking around or sitting
around today, or you and I have around us right

(01:19:14):
now during this discussion, And that doesn't offend us from
getting up and going to the next room anymore than
it prevents us from leaving the confines of this planet.
And once again, these people just throw crap out there.
Looks see they say, look, the flag's waving. Yeah, that's
because you've got a solar wind and an atmospheric wind

(01:19:36):
that travels along the surface of the Moon. So consequently,
you know, if you're an area where that happens to
be not blocked geologically, you're going to get some motion
from it, not any different that when the lunar rover
is driving around and there's this lobster tail and plume
of particles behind the rear tire as they go up

(01:19:57):
and then start to blow sideways and land on the
Moon on the lunar surface. If we didn't have a
sufficient gravity, those particles would be traveling up and onwards
for miles. So the conditions on the Moon are quite
different than what we are trying to portray. And it's

(01:20:17):
very interesting too, because there's a few pictures out there
that show the Moon in full color, and these pictures
show a variance in a topography color browns and greens
and grays, where most of us continue to just see
pictures that are just flat black and white in order

(01:20:38):
to perpetuate an agenda that the Moon is a dead place.
But yet we all know already since nineteen seventy one
when they release the data that the Moon has water,
and in fact the spray and geyser's like, oh faithful,
you know, tons tens of feet high coming out of

(01:21:00):
the surface. And then we tried to deny water, and
then the Indians and the Japanese went there and said, oh, yeah,
there's water. Then we didn't want idiots. So we then
also came back in the nineties and said, oh, yeah,
there's plenty of water there too. And so we are
managing to rehash the same old information in thirty forty

(01:21:23):
years segments so that there's no generational questioning of the
information that we are given. Basically, what we teach our
kids in school is information it's fifty years old, and
that's a travesty. So when you start to realize that

(01:21:45):
you've got atmosphere gravity, magnetic fields of volcanism that means
inner core liquidity, and other things like this, I mean,
it all shows you that the principles of life, that
the principles of construct of life is universal no matter

(01:22:09):
where you go. Fact, today there was an article out
that they found huge gas manifestations of pure water out
in space. But this is something that Georgia Damski already said,
you know, in the fifties. In fact, in the sixties
he said then printed it nineteen sixty three that there're

(01:22:30):
salt water on Mars. Sure enough, I have the article
where our scientists admit to that, you know, twenty years ago.
So so much of what he said came factually true,
that that is what scares the UFO field. The name

(01:22:51):
of Damski. That just boy, they they're like a cat
with the ferb on the back and detail straight up
because because first of all, there was no man like him, none,
And the material in the films that he had, I
have the originals and I released some of them and

(01:23:13):
made them available. If you go on YouTube and you
look under my channel under my name, go to my channel,
you will find probably maybe a dozen or more videos
on there, and one of them has the Adamski UFO
films in there, and you can watch them for yourself.
And it's the same thing that Colonel Freeman said already

(01:23:35):
in sixty six. He's the best thing films I've seen
in civilian hands. And that little key after note of
civilian hands tells you that they have even better stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
So, but the things that he said that have come true,
and the fact that he went on world tours all
over different countries and it was, you know, was interviewed
by the Queen of the Netherlands and given the Paople
metal from John twenty third and things like that. That

(01:24:09):
just drives these UFO people nuts because they have nothing.
They don't have any authentic pictures. They don't have any
authentic occurrences. They have a whole lot of hooey.

Speaker 5 (01:24:23):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
They just they can't stand George and and it just
makes me laugh. Yeah, because I'm thinking, well, if you're
going to give up the best source of information there is,
then it shows you how corrupt you are.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Yeah. I'll add some of the lists of the insanity
and I'm probably going to make some listeners mad. But
the hollow moon theory and the flat earthers, that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Just first of all, first of all, you can't shield
physically maintain something of that magnitude like the moon to
be hollow. I've heard I've heard these accusations already in
the eighty and nineties when they said to him, they
said that I was giving a lecture in Trenton, New York,

(01:25:14):
New Jersey ninety two, I think it was, and you know,
there's well, the Earth has a hole on the top
of the North and South Pole, and you know the
spaceships fly in through the hole and blah blah blah
blah blah. And I said to them, he said, you know,
I used to travel that route, fly that route from

(01:25:34):
the East coast to China, right over the North Pole
and I look down and I don't see any hole
in any circumstances. I said, so, what are you talking about?
Where's your proof, where's your validation?

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
And then, of course, and then of course they turned
to get nasty, because when you confront somebody who can't
substantiate themselves, the easiest a response is to get nasty
and personal in order to try to deflect the question
and to deflect people's wondering of why they can't come

(01:26:12):
up with a reasonable answer. And so, and then of
course the flat earth people, I mean, I mean, let's
face it, some things are so absolutely pasinine that that
you you know, they think it's a big beizza pie

(01:26:32):
or something. I mean, it's it's just it's just ridiculous. So,
I mean, every day we fly from point A to
point B, and if you are on a flat surface,
the straight line between two places is the shortest distance. However,
that's not how you fly. You fly an arc. Why

(01:26:53):
do you fly an arc? You fly an arc because
you're flying over a sphere and that is the shortest
I mean, you know, just little things like that alone
should cause you know, people to shake their heads a
little bit. And waken up like the guy who is
promoting the Earth as a I mean, the moon is

(01:27:15):
a hologram. I mean it's it's absolutely where's the projector
for the hologram to yeah, it have to be huge. Secondly,
how come we're shooting lasers and lights and things at
the moon in order to measure distances and they are
doing so because a hologram has no geophysical presence. It's

(01:27:37):
an optical illusion. But yet we get positive data from
these devices, the fact that we've flown there and gone there.
I mean, you know. And once again, these theories only
come about because the people who are promoting them are

(01:27:58):
totally you know, authentic and totally naive about what they're
talking about. So once again misinformation thrives. And then you
have a contingent of people who listen to this and
they don't know anything either. They have no idea and

(01:28:19):
so consequence, and so instead of going and researching it
and saying, you know, from my research myself, this and
that's a bunch of bull, you know, they just they
just like the personality of the person who's saying it
so and so, and and once again they don't want
to do any work themselves. They want it handed to them.

(01:28:41):
Give me the explanation, hand it to me, so I
don't have to do anything, and thereby I can be satiated.
And that is a persuasive attitude these days.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Oh yeah, you mentioned you were a pilot something that
was commercially.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Yes, and actually I did it other than military. I
did it all. I learned to fly in small aircraft
and gliders. I taught. I flew charters, their taxi commuters,
cargo airliners with people for major airlines. I've flown airplanes

(01:29:22):
for forty five years, and so I can pretty much
say that I know what the heck I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Yeah, once you met some other pilots and they found
out your background and they kind of opened up about
seeing flying, what would you refer to it now as UAPs?

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
I call them UFOs. I refused to call them UAPs
because that's a deflection. That's a deflection once again to
disassociate the younger generation's cognition about these particular types of phenomena.
They figure if they changed the term, then consequently they
can eventually go through enough time and enough people that

(01:30:08):
it completely rewrites itself, and that that is that's you know,
that's academic hogwash, and some of the greatest perpetrators of
hoogwash are the academics. But yes, I had a good
friend of mine. He was my former co pilot. He
is now a captain, and he's called me on several

(01:30:30):
occasions flying over the Pacific the next day when they
land in the things and told me about things that
he's seen in the night sky. And so it has
recharged his awareness and he keeps an open eye out
to see these things. In fact, what was it four
years ago? There were six airliners, six airline companies US

(01:30:56):
and foreign in the routes between Japan and Hawaii and
Hawaii in the mainland, in which they all separately reported
seeing these extraterrestrial craft. Then it was another circumstance near
Chicago one night in which three or four airliners saw

(01:31:16):
this thing as well. Two of them were brave enough
to go public, the other ones were not. Most Once
again you get people who you know don't want to
be involved or don't want to become associated to a controversy,
and and so they go their own way. But yes, there,

(01:31:37):
you know, I have flown with a number of people
already from I know them I knew this one colonel
that used to be in appropriations in the Pentagon, and
when he was younger, he was flying I think in
the late fifties, early sixties over the Texas area or whatever,

(01:31:58):
and he saw a number of these after then. I've
talked to people in on foreign countries once again. So
I played the game very well whenever I was out there.
I never promoted my profession. I thought that what I

(01:32:19):
had to say and the evidence I had to supply
should be sufficient to get across the idea that I
was doing it. I never associated my company's name with
what I did. I remember Old John Lear. He showed
up at one conference with his airline UNI with the
you know, the strappings of the companies working on everywhere,

(01:32:42):
and he promptly lost his job. And you know, and
I said, John, you know, either you have something of
validation to say or you don't, But you don't have
to stand there for in your uniform in order to
make yourself look good. Yeah, it's but anyway, that's we
live in that type of society where we acknowledge and

(01:33:06):
revere the persons so called credentials more than what they
have to say, and just because they have credentials, doesn't
mean they always know what the hell are talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
Yeah, you mentioned too at one point NASA had unedited
photos taking Daring Apollo missions and whatnot that could still
be ordered the catalog number.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
And yeah, that's true. At we supplied we supplied all
the catalog numbers and the pictures from the Lunar book
that we put together. And so yes, some people did
end up ordering those photographs as well. Some of them
came with the same images we had. And then later

(01:33:50):
on people started to get whitewashed and blurred photos that
didn't show anything. So it's the same thing like the
face on Mars. They whitewashed all of that as well.
Where the original digital construct. An examination done by Petrion

(01:34:14):
Molinar right after the Viking before the Viking mission landing,
showed without without any doubt that the image on the
plane of Sdonia is that of a person with an
Egyptian type of head dress. There is a stairway that
goes up one side of the face towards the mouth,

(01:34:36):
and the eyes also have a pupil inside them as well,
and so and then all as you saw in the
book too, I dealt with a little bit with Mars.
At the very end they show that the all the
straight line and constructions and pyramids on the Martian surface.
And when we talked to the authors of the Face

(01:34:58):
on Mars book, her tag I can't remember the other
one's name. In Australia nineteen eighty five, I believe it
was my father went there to do a lecture at
the universities and they met with the authors of that book,
and he said, not only do I have pictures of
past civilizations, but I have proof of current civilizations as well.

(01:35:20):
And boy, they was a worldwide effort to ban that
book as hard as they could, and they finally got
one small obscure printer to print the first printing in Australia,
and then after that they got to them too and
they shut down that production.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
You were invited to a number of UFO related steminars
and stuff, and even had some of the visitors joining
in on that, didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
You, Yes, they were. On several occasions they were. They
came and and the for two reasons, one to provide
support because they're well aware that this is a very
difficult subject. Anything that is related to change on this
world is difficult. But this is a difficult subject for

(01:36:16):
many different aspects and avenues. So they provide support. They
also provided information and and there's there was a great
deal of comfort knowing their proximity as well, and and
so on several occasions, Uh, they were there and over

(01:36:38):
a period of several days, and and so we had
a very progressive and beneficial interaction with them. So there
are a number of them that are spending some time
on this world's peace courts system, which they come for

(01:37:01):
a little bit of time and they live and work
amongst us. They don't care about the job because they
understand the auspices of of you know, the conditions iph
on this planet. One is needed to be done to
do this. And I said, I remember one guy asked me, well,

(01:37:22):
how is it possible for them to come without papers?
I said, hell, I got fourteen million across the southern
border here that didn't have any papers. They didn't have
any problems. And so consequently, you know, we can their
technology can allow them to reproduce anything they have or
what have you. Yeah, And and so I think that

(01:37:48):
they come and then they interact and they learn something
because remember that time travel as we envision it, does
not exist. This is a fact, a fantasy, a science creation.
You cannot suddenly dissemble everything that is now and go
and sit back with Julius Caesar, first of all, because

(01:38:11):
all the molecules and elements that constructed that particular time
have been released and dispersed throughout the planet ever since.
So in other in order to be able to reconstruct
this fake enigma of the past, you would have to
destroy everything that is current in order to reassemble in it.
And nature doesn't work that way. That's just a fallacy,

(01:38:35):
and so and so. But what you can do is
is like when you travel to different countries, you get
to see how people lived in a particular period. So,
for instance, if you go now and fly down to Brazil,
get out Manaos and go and and interact with the

(01:38:55):
jungle people tribes out there, you will see how people live,
you know, thousand or more years ago. You didn't travel
back in time. All you did is step into a
particular environment that represents a period of time expression, right,
And so for them they can come and they can

(01:39:19):
see the difficulties that their civilization went through in relationship
to our own and how it is exhibited here and
that's why they're so good when they give us helping advice.
They will never fix our problems for us. That's our responsibility,
and to even ask them to do that would be,

(01:39:41):
I think so disrespectful. I couldn't even imagine that. You know.
Let me, let me, let me say, let me ask
the guy who just traveled five million whiles from to
clean my toilet for come on. I mean people and
people need to get a grip on themselves and so,
but what they can do is they can see how
how they progressed out of certain stages in their past

(01:40:06):
by how we're exhibiting our manifestation of ourselves in our
current status. So, for instance, let's say you get on
a spaceship and you travel to a system, and that
system is relatively new, and there are planets there that
are still going through the prehistoric stages of dinosaurs and
all sorts of other things. You then are are flying

(01:40:30):
into that environment or spending some time in that environment.
You know how things were a billion years ago in
your own solar system. You didn't travel in time. All
you did was go to a place where you know
that's how it is right now. And that's the same
for the future too. You're going to a different world

(01:40:51):
where the people are four thousand years ahead of us,
and then there's worlds that are ten thousand years ahead
of them, and so on and so forth. There's no
end to it. There is no end. There's no beginning
and no end. And this is a concept that our
scientists just cannot wrap their minds around. There was no
Big Bang. There's no beginning or end to universal manifestation.

(01:41:20):
So so the good thing is that we can say
that if we do things right and progress peacefully, then
we have unlimited prospects. And I think that that's it's
very important.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
I believe so too. But looking out at news broadcasts
and stuff, I don't think that's something that's going to occur.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Well, you have to do. You have to understand that
that stuff is thrown out there to mesmerize the general public,
because it's like if it's like a magician, look at
this hand while I do something completely different with the
other hand. This is there for the entertainment of most
people that they can sit down and watch the television

(01:42:11):
show and one side argues for one side of the
political spectrum, the other one argues for the other side,
and it becomes this, It becomes like entertainment tonight. It
becomes just a you know, a sitcom kind of thing.
And so that is just there to keep people's mind
busy so that they don't ask the real questions or
demand the real answers. So I think that, you know,

(01:42:39):
I think a lot of people come to understand that.
I mean, when I grew up, you didn't get television
every day. You know, you didn't get a phone stuffed
in your in your pocket. And I mean when I
look at what people are doing from the raising of

(01:42:59):
the new generations, I wonder this world is also messed up.
I mean, how we had rules, we had boundaries, we
had discipline, we had guidance. Our parents were there to
provide guidance. There are parents, not our friends, yes, and
not our you know, our buddies and these sort of things.

(01:43:20):
That's not what parenting means. And that's what you see
today that the people are are. So I don't want
to be the bad one and what have you. It's
it's pretty pathetic when you think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Most definitely, I wanted to ask you your opinion on
the Phoenix Lights.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
As I mentioned before, triangular is our stuff extraterrestrial. So
we have the southwestern from my God, all the way
from the Dakota's down through Utah and Arizona and Nevada
that we are inundated with restrictive and air bases and

(01:44:08):
installations and things like that that produce all kinds of phenomena.
And I think that is purely our stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
We were discussing earlier, the abductions and stuff. Most of
that is are doing. It has nothing to do with aliens.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
That's correct, That is absolutely correct. We play. We have
instrumentation that are is sonically developed, and microwaves and things
like that that we experiment for population and crowd control.
That the side effects are missing time syndrome, heated skin

(01:44:55):
and body temperatures, all kinds of things. When you start
breaking it down, you can you can determine exactly where
this comes from. This comes from us and nobody else.
And then you have a contingent of these proponents who
milk these subjects and uh and do so under a

(01:45:17):
suggestive thing instead of other words, Uh, you know, what
did you do Tuesday? And the question becomes what did
you do when you got abducted Tuesday? So there is
hypnotic suggestion involved with this in order to try to
perpetuate and promote these type of agendas. And and so

(01:45:38):
I think people should, I think they can for themselves
do a little reading. There's professor from Harvard have got
her name right now, it's in the book that that
did in depth studies into this phenomena. And let's see

(01:46:02):
here clan sees her name and they break it down
into the different segments of hypnosis and mind altering experimentation
that we have been doing already since the fifties, where

(01:46:22):
we subjugated prisoners to LST and all kinds of drugs,
and then we flooded the New York subway system with
these chemicals. And I mean, the stuff we do to
each other is just unbelievable. If you if you watch
the first atomic tests, you can see that in concentric
circles around the test zone, we build trenches and we

(01:46:45):
put our troops in there to basically to experiment, to
determine what the effects of the radiation and the blasts
and everything else. We're on human beings, but we're doing
it on our own. True, so there is really no
end to the depravity of earth man's mind.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
Yeah, the psychedelic drug tests and stuff done on military
personnel and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
That's I'm And there's still the big question is was
COVID part of that?

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
Yeah, that's a good question.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
Yeah, And so I think that if you want to
find the source of so many of these types of abuses,
all you have to do is look in the mirror,
because we're doing it to ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
That's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
And think about it logically if I can, if I'm
four thousand years ahead of you, and that's about basically
what is required in order to successfully travel from planet
to planet and through space to other systems and whatever.
They also have the instrumentation to sit in orbit and
sit in the comfort of their own salon on the

(01:48:08):
couch with a big, huge screen and select a subject
and record them. They're thinking their thoughts, their mind the
biological functions all the way down to the atomic level.
They don't have to come down here and chase you
around like a chicken. Yeah, I mean really, I mean people.

(01:48:29):
And then you look at as I said in the book,
you look at some of these laboratories Aguadoci and some
of these other ones the other island where we do
biological experimentation, and so I can personally, I can state
that we have done some pretty nasty and vile things

(01:48:53):
to biological subjects, both human and otherwise.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
So many things that you just turn your head and say, hmm, huh.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean yeah. And so you know,
like I, for the the the important thing for people
to do is to question question. I remember when my
father and I went to a conference and we sat
there and the speaker was up and they flashed some

(01:49:32):
slides slide on the screen and there literally was no
no subject on the screen. It was a couple of
scratches and and a couple of lines and that's it.
And and the guy says, well, you can see it clearly,
see the alien hiding behind the tree. Everybody in the
crowd is looking at each.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
Other, going attack, and you pointed out for us.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
But then they don't do that because then they'll say, oh, well,
if you don't see it, then you're not enlightened enough
to be able to see it. They got always some excuse,
always some excuse.

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
This one, no one UFO with the semicircles underneath it?
Are those wave guides.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
Or are you looking at a particular page in the book. Uh?
One O four one O four. Alright, let's see here
and yeah, these are these are UH shots taken by

(01:50:45):
by As you can see, the top one here is
a Gemini fake picture, and you can see the two
octagonal shaped aluminum objects in formation down below. Then there's
another one of the UH second stage separation, and you
can see up there in the corner two more of
them in parallel motion across the space way up high.

(01:51:10):
So this is not an object that is being like
a meteor or whatever rubbed into brightness, because it is
nowhere near the atmosphere. You've got these, you know, these
things like meteorites and meteors and things like that, they
become visible when they hit the atmosphere and most of

(01:51:33):
the time. And the one down below is a very
very well known picture. I believe it's from nineteen fifty nine.
It's all them on Air Force Base there in New Mexico.
And it's more than just a picture. I remember seeing
a film of this as well as this long cigar
shave craft with the propulsion field or the force field

(01:51:53):
around it illuminating as it moves across the frame. So
as you can see, it looks totally different intensity from
a cloud or anything else. So these are just some
of the public pictures that have been released in publications
like Look magazine and other ones like Life and what

(01:52:13):
have you.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
For those in the audience, I highly recommend that you
get this publication for mister Stickland. I find a lot
of this very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
Well. For those interested in the book, they can find
it at blurb b l u RB blurb dot com.
They are in fact the publisher, and when you pull
up their home page up on the left hand top side,
it'll say bookstore. You click on that and then takes
you to another page where you just type in my

(01:52:50):
name or you can type in the title of the book,
and it takes you to a page where you can
order either the soft car copy or the hardcop. You'll
see three listings, and one of them is for Amazon,
because Amazon requires their own listing because they add thirty
five percent to the price. But in order to make
it in order to make it available on Amazon, I

(01:53:12):
had to do that. But for people who otherwise ordering,
they can do it there also. I have some of them,
a couple boxes of them that I have available that
I advertise on eBay or they so they go into
eBay they can find it there as well. And so
it is. It is a comprehensions collection, and it's in

(01:53:35):
large print, so it's easy to read, and it provides
all the factual foundation and references behind it. So I
think that from the standpoint of a UFO book, I
think that it is well done. It took me many
years to do and then all of a sudden, you know,

(01:53:58):
I put it on hold for a while, and then
I got I got the you know, the cross examination
the people out there who follow me and say, hey,
when that book coming. So I sat down and cranked
it out. And there it is. And so it's available
and Italian and will be French, Spanish, and and the

(01:54:21):
heck else. I think Italian, French, Spanish and English.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
So yeah, well, let me say I appreciate the larger
print because at my age my eyes aren't what they
used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
Well, yeah, me too, And so you know, it made
the book a few extra pages because of that, and so,
but I don't think it's a hard read at all.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
And and so I think if people want some real
answers and not just you know, whimsical fly by night stuff,
if you want some real answers, and you want some
real education to how things were and what happened. I mean,

(01:55:04):
I think that you will find that in the book.
And yeah, and so I think that it's unlike any
of the other UFO publications that are out there, you know.
So so that's I did what I thought was necessary

(01:55:27):
to do to make sure that people knew what what
really happened and how things really were and not this
imaginative constructive of of you know, creature feature that stuff
that we have now. So but you know, with the
real scientists, they don't buy in for stuff stuff like this,
like doctor Panampura he made the statement and be surprised

(01:55:50):
when you land on another world and somebody walks up
and shakes your hand, you know. And and so there
are a number of number of one scientist I had
it had a kind of a conference in the Southwest

(01:56:11):
and we were at his house and he invited people
that he knew from the local facility, laboratories and things
like that. We had this evening together, had this talking.
So he says to me, he says, you know, all
this Reptilian and all this other sasquash and all this

(01:56:32):
other you know, praying mantis, aliens. All of this is bogus,
he says. People don't understand when they look at themselves,
what an amazing, complex and thorough creation we are. We
are born and developed with demandibles and fingers and everything

(01:56:52):
that we can build microcomputers and we have the understanding
to do that. We can transgress on all the other
environments unlike anything else. We can go to the water,
into the air, into space, what have you. He says,
If you're a lobster creature, you can't do any of that.
He says, nobody crawls out of the everglade and then suddenly,

(01:57:16):
you know, kicks himself like Wally Gator upright to start
building spaceships or seven forty sevens or what have you.
And so for the real scientists, they are well aware
of what is naturally principally possible and probable, and not

(01:57:38):
once again, the theorists, like Panampura says, you're not going
to see any silicone based life. He says, because the
silicon molecule is water soluble, and water is the most
common element, so anything would dissolve that it was of silicon.
But once again, you know, people don't want to hear that.

(01:58:02):
I mean, how many times did I hear of people
who claim to have contact with aliens that were blue
with a long tail like Avatar? After that came out,
I mean, come on. But anyway, so it's yeah, there,

(01:58:23):
I am fortunate, very fortunate to have had exposure to
these type of realisms. Versus the other I would probably
be as confused as an expert. So but I don't
bother with a lot of this too. A lot of
people ask me, oh, did you read the so and
so and did you know that so and so did
this and this and blah blah blah blah blah. I
said no. In fact, I don't even care. I'm not interested.

(01:58:46):
I'm not If I would sit down and try to
read every UFO related book, my eyes would be crossed.
You know, I'd never get off the couch. And so
you know, And then I can tell you one thing.
If I pick up a book and I see somebody says,

(01:59:08):
well I was beamed aboard, I know right then and there,
I can take it throat in the garbage. Because you
cannot mechanically beam a person from point A to point
B and its stay alive. You can beam a body,
but when it gets to where you beamed it, it's
going to be a dead body. There's no soul in it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:29):
The only thing mechanically you can beam, tablechairs, rocks, tanks, whatever,
that has no soul. When you talk about living sentient beings,
whether animals or humans, you cannot beam them because you
have a soul in there, and that soul does not
molecularly break down, and so all of a sudden you

(01:59:55):
beam the body away and the soul is left well
that it's no longer viable. And so as soon as
I see somebody say, you know, the other day, somebody said, oh,
I was, you know, in my apartment in New York
City and this I saw this light that beams me
up somewhere, I said in the garbage, goodbye. I don't

(02:00:15):
have to read any more of it, because I already
know what's possible and not possible. So why would I
waste my time and clutter my brain with that which
has no validity? And that's that's tough for people, And
that's why we provide a reference section. And if you
go to our website, a Damnski Foundation one word dot com,

(02:00:36):
you have a suggested reading area. There there's a lot
of information and most of the most of it is
older because the older stuff held true where the newer
one was just wild rantings. Yeah, and so so that.

Speaker 1 (02:00:53):
It makes a good episode of Star Trek.

Speaker 2 (02:00:57):
Yeah, I mean it's okay. I mean it's there for
mind entertainment. But when people start to substitute mindless and
entertainment for reality, how many people, uh have become so
infatuated with that entertainment that they walk around in their
uniforms and they give everybody the Vulcan hand salute. I

(02:01:17):
mean they literally become absorbed with this, so they no
longer can tell They no longer can tell what is
real anymore, and and that's a dangerous place to be,
both psychologically and physically.

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
And our society has a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
Yes, that's true. Did we get to uh uh did
you get any viable questions that came through the chat rooms?

Speaker 1 (02:01:49):
I just posted it and haven't received any as of yet.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
Oh, okay, that's all right.

Speaker 1 (02:01:55):
And I also work with with Joshua that if anyone
wanted to actually be able to log into the discord
and ask you directly, you know, like we're speaking, Yeah,
they would be able to do so. And I gave
him a link that he could pass around.

Speaker 2 (02:02:15):
Right, Well, that's good, you know, Like I said, I
am available to in this subject in order to educate
the public the best I can. And I am a
I am a no crusade. I'm not a crusader out
there to beat the world into submission of understanding. People

(02:02:35):
have to come that to that on their own accord.
And so you know, the best I can do is
say here. It is like my father said in his
last lecture before I passed away. Yeah, you know, he said,
I'm here to give you information, and what you do
with it is up to you.

Speaker 1 (02:02:54):
I remember reading that section. I'll ask anyone in in
chat or anyone that wanted to join the discord and
ask questions. You're afraid to send me a message in
chat and I can send you the link to the
discord to ask questions.

Speaker 2 (02:03:16):
Okay, well whatever works easier for you. So, but yeah,
I can. I can understand people's quandary because yeah, there's
there's no end to the list of personalities out there

(02:03:39):
and the claims that are made, and and it's it's
pretty tough, there's no doubt about it. But on the
other side, there is some information that we make available,
so that helps to counter balance those forces. And and
like I said, hell, I don't need to be on
TV or anything like that, even though I have been

(02:04:02):
a really I'd be just happy. Give me a golf
club and I'll go play play.

Speaker 1 (02:04:10):
A few holes.

Speaker 2 (02:04:13):
That's right. M But I think if you go on,
especially on that YouTube channel, my YouTube channel under my name,
the amount of information is quite spectacular that is given there.

(02:04:34):
You'll see you'll see my father, you'll see my mother,
and then of course myself and over a number of
subjects that we have gone over this evening. But there
you have the visual visual video of what we're talking
about as well and the pictures that are behind it,
so it becomes more like a documentary type of.

Speaker 1 (02:05:00):
Yeah, I was going to going to ask would you
be opposed if I included some of the picture in
the archive?

Speaker 2 (02:05:07):
Uh record this?

Speaker 1 (02:05:09):
I didn't want to, you know, break any copyright stuff,
So I always.

Speaker 2 (02:05:12):
Ask, Yeah, that's a good idea. Be my guest, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (02:05:17):
Link your pages to that also, so anyone that listens
to the broadcast at a later date will have the
links and the photos and stuff to ree back on,
you know.

Speaker 2 (02:05:29):
Right right, No, I think that's a good idea. And
and people can see I mean, what when you type
the name in Georgia Damskin, then Internet boy, you're gonna
you're gonna get inundated with stuff. And of course they're
going to try to tell you that he took pictures

(02:05:52):
of chicken feeders and brewders and things like that. And
of course on our website we provided to the documentary
and so that was absolutely false statements. But it's amazing
that the people will readularly grab something false because that's
what they want to believe in and so and so.

(02:06:17):
And then then when you look at the pictures that
from all over the world of the same type of craft,
you got to think to yourself, these are some wild chickens,
that's for sure. Yeah, you know and so, But at
a certain point of time, you just yeah, you don't
worry about what everybody says or thinks, because they're going

(02:06:39):
to do that anyway.

Speaker 1 (02:06:43):
That's well, I like to put you know, allow, I'm
sure there are people out there that agree with you
and don't agree with you, but the biggest part of
it is getting the information out there and letting them
make their own decisions about it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:57):
That's absolutely correct. Yes, whether the people agree with me
or not, that's their prerogative. But but I don't once again,
like I did in the book, I don't. I don't
make a statement and say here, take it and and
and like it. I give, like in the chapter ten

(02:07:19):
on our Deer productions, you know, I give the information
and the references behind it, so that that you know,
you can see that it's just not me spouting off.
So and I think that's important because if you can't
if you can't substantiate, Yeah, if you can't substantiating, then

(02:07:42):
and then what are you doing? And going to these conferences?
I haven't gone. I think the last one in the
US I went to was that ten years ago or so,
twenty fourteen, that was in Phoenix, Phoenix, Arizona, and and so,

(02:08:03):
but and I had a very good response. In fact,
I've spoken a Sunday morning and but there were a
lot of the others, a lot of the other the
organizers of these type of events don't like the fact
that I'm very candid, right, and you know, I don't

(02:08:25):
pull any punches. I don't make wild accusations. But I
don't I don't walk away from them either, right, And
so you know there's some They held a conference out
in the desert out here in southern California, and we

(02:08:46):
were directly related and correlated to the people who initially
had the fifties conference out there, George Fantassel. Because the
Damski contact site's not that far away, and so I
made myself available. I said, hey, you know, I'm more
than happy to speak for free. I never charge any honorariums.

(02:09:07):
I never charge for transportation or my stay. I come
and I talk for free. I give the information, and
you know, you can fill a slot. They wanted absolutely
nothing to do with me.

Speaker 1 (02:09:21):
My god.

Speaker 2 (02:09:23):
Yeah, And so the next year I rented a booth
in order to make a material available. So literally I'm
sitting there in the and they completely ignored that too.
So I know for a fact that there is a concentrated,
organized effort to ostracize anything for anybody that associates or

(02:09:49):
supports Georgia Damskin. I'm not the only who said this.
In fact, several other people have printed that very same
statement in other areas of the world.

Speaker 1 (02:09:58):
Yeah. So well, my last guess in his field of archaeology,
and stuff. He runs up against the same thing.

Speaker 2 (02:10:09):
You know, well, I can understand that because archaeology is
based on the discovery of ancient material, and so we
have tried to formulate a set narrative exactly right like

(02:10:31):
we used to do before. Before religion has told you,
you know, the world's only six thousand years old, and
blah blah blah blah blah, and so especially in archaeology,
we have set a particular gender. This is what you did.
You know, you knock each other over the head and
chased after the food, food and a loin cloth, and
then all of a sudden you said, well, this club

(02:10:51):
is too heavy, I'm going to put it down and
start digging in the dirt. And all of a sudden
I got crops, and then I'm going to make some pottery.
You know, there's no there's no logical connection to any
of these things. And then we find out that archaeological
sites that are so old not only tens of thousands

(02:11:11):
of years, but longer, are becoming more and more prevalent.
And so the archaeology is having a heck of a
time trying to maintain their dogma and their academic credentials
of their professors and stuff like that because of it.

(02:11:34):
And so I think the Sphinx is a great example
of that kind of I know his first name, Fred,
I don't remember his second name. He is a geologist,
and he noticed that the sides of the Sphinx are
all eroded by water, and so he took pictures of

(02:11:55):
that and went to the annual Geological Institutes convention and
he showed them the pictures of only the bottom of
the Sphinx, and he says, wow, this looks to me
like a great deal of water erosion, and there was
one hundred percent agreement with that, and then he showed

(02:12:16):
him the rest of the picture, which shows the head
of the Sphinx, and then there's complete silence because of course,
the last time there was water in that plane was
over twenty five thousand years ago, right, Yeah, So that
means that construct is much older and by other civilizations
they're telling us. And so what happens a year later

(02:12:37):
the Egyptian government and the Department of Antiquities starts doing
a so called restoration project to the Sphinx, in which
they start to retile everything from the ground up so
that that will destroy the evidence that's sad.

Speaker 1 (02:12:57):
Sad.

Speaker 2 (02:12:59):
Yeah, because nobody wants to because they all have set
a predetermined narrative, you know, and they're going to make
the facts fit that that it's like saying Oswald killed
Kennedy even though he didn't. And so we have that
narrative and we're going to jam any fact we can
into that into that square peg so that it will

(02:13:22):
support our hypothesis. Right. That's the same thing. That's the
same thing the archaeologists are doing. And I mean, my god,
there's there's been evidence already for one hundred years of
ancient writings that go back tens of thousands of years.
So I think that you know, that speaks volumes for itself.

(02:13:49):
So I can appreciate his dilemma.

Speaker 1 (02:13:53):
Yeah, I felt for him because you know, like you say,
if it doesn't fit their narrative, it just didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (02:14:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:14:02):
So if I have you back in the future, I
will make sure that I have a way to show
media photos and whatnot during the broadcast on the screens,
because there is a way to do it. I had
trouble when I did phantom detectives stuff. The obs you

(02:14:29):
if you switch to a picture, it would cut the
audio out on all the microphone inputs or audio inputs.

Speaker 2 (02:14:36):
That wouldn't do much good.

Speaker 1 (02:14:37):
Now, so I've been reading up on this how to
do it without having that take place, and once I
get that fixed up all.

Speaker 2 (02:14:48):
The Yeah, that sounds good to me. I'm more than
happy share what I can. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:14:54):
Yes, well, sir, I still have no questions here and
from Facebook or from YouTube.

Speaker 2 (02:15:04):
That's okay.

Speaker 1 (02:15:06):
And I'm feel bad about that because I really know
you wanted to, you know, do audience questions and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (02:15:13):
Well, no, you don't have to. You know, there's no
reason to feel bad about it. Sometimes less is more.

Speaker 1 (02:15:18):
Yeah, I'm so new. I mean, you're the second actual
interview besides Phantom Detective stuff, and that was kind of
a test stream to start out with and to see
how everything was going to work, so that when I

(02:15:39):
started having people like you or doctor Crimo on, i'd
have the bugs worked out.

Speaker 2 (02:15:46):
Well. Yeah, like I told you before that you know
a lot of equipment, both new and old, and and
you know, getting that learning curve is always not an
easy one when it comes to technology. For me, just
to have been able to download the program that allowed

(02:16:07):
us to talk today because Io's used to I used
to you know, Skype before they dissolved, and so.

Speaker 1 (02:16:15):
You know it.

Speaker 2 (02:16:17):
Yeah, for me, I like technology that just works, that
doesn't require a PhD to get it to do what
it's supposed to because that, you know, and that means
that that means that the writers of these uh you know,
programs and and everything, I need to understand that it
should be user friendly and not proprietary. Ah, you know,

(02:16:44):
bound in order to protect you people's work and what
have you. And so I mean, if you're going to
do something in the public arena media wise, why not
make it there so people can use it.

Speaker 1 (02:17:00):
Make it simple for you.

Speaker 2 (02:17:01):
So, like like the one comedian said, you know, the
hardest thing was trying to teach his dad how to
use the computer. The dad calls him up and says, son,
you need to tell me how to use this computer.
And then the son says, okay, dad, you need to
open the window first, and his father says, there's three
feet why am I opening the window? You know. So,

(02:17:28):
so sometimes one feels a bit like that when it
comes to all this computerized things, and sometimes you long
for the simplicity of other times.

Speaker 1 (02:17:41):
Yeah, well it's like a lot of older ham Ham
radio operators dislike the newer equipment. You know, back then
everything was too operated, and now they have the surface

(02:18:01):
mount connections and stuff, and you have to have a
microscope actually to work on your own equipment, where back
in the older days this stuff was larger, very easy
to swap components. But nowadays and that's not the case.
I worked in the two way communication field for a
long time and when they got the surface mount technology,

(02:18:24):
instead of replacing components on the boards, they just say
order another board, just replace the entire board, which took
the money away from us, because you know, we charged
by the hour to replace components in radio equipment, so
you know, that kind of put that out order. And

(02:18:44):
nowadays a lot of the I have a friend that
does hydraulic repairs and stuff, and nowadays the business is
going away from that because they can order something out
of China for low cost and replaced hydraulic rams and
whatnot for just a few dollars instead of having it

(02:19:08):
rebuilt and repaired.

Speaker 2 (02:19:09):
So well, let's hope under the president administration they're at
successful tailing the exploitation of the American workforce and industries. Yes,
and it becomes a more level playing field and more
equitable playing field. So I'm liking what I'm seeing.

Speaker 1 (02:19:31):
So yeah, it's looking good so far. Well, sir, I
guess it is. I appreciate you being on the show.
And I apologize about no guest questions.

Speaker 2 (02:19:47):
Well, don't worry about it. Like I said, we can
do this again some other time in the future. Visual
stuff prepared for that. And and this gives some people
an opportunity to be introduced and uh, and then you know,
we'll go from there. So that is fine with me.

Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
Well, it's definitely an honor to have you on the show,
and I appreciate you working with me.

Speaker 2 (02:20:13):
Well, it's my pleasure and uh, and I do appreciate
the invite, Carl and your sincerity and you're non biased
questioning and and I'm very happy you read the book.
I'm sure that you will. You know, if anybody asks,

(02:20:35):
you'll tell them all about it.

Speaker 1 (02:20:37):
Yes, sir, Yeah, you wouldn't be doe.

Speaker 2 (02:20:38):
I was.

Speaker 1 (02:20:39):
I took the book along with me because I had
a little more of the we read, and while I
was at the doctor's office today I read it and
then when I was getting my air conditioner repaired later
this afternoon. I finished it.

Speaker 2 (02:20:50):
So well, there you go, and then you put it
down for a while, and then you know, you may
pick it up and revisit it again because you get,
you know, more parts of it. It's like a movie.
You go see one of the movies and then you
see it a second time and you joy it for
what you missed.

Speaker 1 (02:21:07):
Yeah, every time you see it, you see you find
something different.

Speaker 2 (02:21:10):
So that's right. Absolutely, Thank you very good. Well, thank
you very much, and we'll talk to you in the
future and and see how things go.

Speaker 1 (02:21:22):
All right, mister Strickland, And you have a good rest
of your evening, and.

Speaker 2 (02:21:26):
You too, get some rest. I know it's late there, okay,
good night, good.

Speaker 5 (02:21:33):
Night Bay The copy at the

Speaker 1 (02:22:38):
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