Jason McLeod Friday June 27th 2025

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Soon your mind to the spectral sounds were big food
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Speaker 10 (04:15):
Leozark Foothills of Northeast Arkansas. I'm Carl Richardson and this
is midnight frequency Radio. Our guest this evening is Jason McLeod.
Jason McLeod is a paranormal investigator, demonologist, spiritualist, and intuitive impath.
He is also one of only a small handful of
investigators who began their instruction and career working for and

(04:40):
with the late legendary Ed and Lorraine Warren. Mister McLeod
has spent the last thirty three years helping individual families
deal with the human spirits who linger in their lives
and the inhuman spirits who seek to ruin them. He
is the author of the Dark Siege series, beginning with
his first self published novel, Dark Siege of Connecticut, Family's Nightmare,

(05:04):
the terrifying true case of demonic infestation, obsession and Possession,
and Dark Siege Too, The Nightmare Returns, the devastating case
of demonical Retribution. These paranormal powerhouses were written in a
cinematic horror style that makes readers feel as though they're

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standing alongside the belingered family, the investigators, and the clergy
throughout the story. As a supernatural phenomenon and preternatural horrors unfold.
The books are impossible to put down and equally hard
to read at night without all lights on. His third book,
The Journey Home, The Handbook for Transition is a large print,

(05:46):
color illustrated guide meant for everyone to understand the process
of shedding the physical body and water waits us, especially
for those in hospice and for their caregivers, families and
loved ones. Mister McLoud, welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (06:03):
Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be here.
Happy Friday, everybody.

Speaker 10 (06:08):
Well, I hope it's cooler in some parts of the
country than it has been here, because it's about to
kill us here.

Speaker 11 (06:16):
It's been pretty hot here. Too cool down though, Hey
you know whether.

Speaker 10 (06:20):
Yes, sir, you began began with the Lawrens. How did
you get involved and meet up with them and start
your journey?

Speaker 11 (06:31):
Well, it was a very interesting story. And I'd always
been interested in spirits. As a young person, I spent
a great deal of time in the middle school and
high school libraries studying reading about mythology, which is all
based on some fact supernatural spirit phenomenon and so forth.
And I was a senior in high school in Westpork, Connecticut,

(06:54):
and I picked up a book called The Demonologist off
the shelf and it was Ed Loraine Warren's Most Terrifying Cases,
written by Ed and Gerard Brittle. And I took the
book home and I was absolutely thrilled. I knew i'd
have a house myself for several hours, and I read
that book from cover to cover, and I was absolutely

(07:15):
terrified alone. Yeah, for the families that were experiencing these
horrors inside their own homes. Can you imagine. And I
actually had two popsicles and I actually made a crucifix
or a cross out of popsicle sticks and Scotch tapes.
And I swear to God that's the truth. And I
wasn't afraid for myself. I mean, I was really afraid

(07:36):
for the families that were experiencing these absolute mind bending
horrors inside their own home. And after reading that book
and learning more about ed Loraine Warren, they actually lived
at the time in Monroe, Connecticut, and I actually lived there,
My family lived there for a couple of years. And
you know, it was only about twenty five minutes away.

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And if I really wanted to find I would easily
be able to do so. But I had no interest
at that time getting involved as a senior in high
school or put the book back on the shelf, and
I wanted to go to English. I wanted to go
to Emerson College for English Creative writing or Roger Williams,
both that outstanding creative writing schools. I had always been

(08:20):
interested in writing. I'd written a screenplay when I was
in seventh grade, and I wrote an epic fantasy novel
nine hundred page epic fantasy novel with my best friend
Eric Yaco in three months, and we didn't do anything
with it. We couldn't do anything with it. It was
epic fantasy, and it was really hard to break into

(08:41):
the publishing market to get an agent or anything to
submit unsolicited manuscripts and so forth. So we didn't do
anything with it. But my father insisted that I go
to a state supported university because he was paying for it,
and he insisted that I would go for communications degree
because I would never make it as an author. And

(09:02):
you know, he was being logical and sensible about it
because one of the chances somebody would actually make a
living selling books. Little did he know, but he insisted
I go to Eastern Connecticut State University. I did like
the school, but the entire freshman class had to read
a book called Life After Life by doctor Raymond Moody

(09:22):
as English one oh one required reading. And that is
the first outstanding synchronicity to me, because why in the
world would entire freshman class have to read a book
about near death experiences. Now Raymond Moody. Doctor Raymond Moody
is the most famous, most famous near death regression therapist
there was, and his book was outstanding. But that really

(09:47):
opened a door for me, because if you want to
understand ghost phenomena, go read doctor Raymond Boody's Life After
Life book and understand read and study that the million
of near death experience, near death experiences that people have
had throughout the world and what they relay, especially under hypnosis,

(10:10):
and when you shed the physical body and your consciousness
moves on. And that made perfect sense to me. And
I didn't go back to college that year. I took
a year and a half off. I was antiquing with
my mother surely, and my dad was absolutely livid because
my parents were divorced and he thought, you know, I

(10:32):
wasn't going to go back to school and I'd be,
you know, working with my mom. But my mother was
a successful antique dealer. And I also got involved in
my first band and my friend asked me to sing
lead vocals in his band, and I was like, okay.
So my dad was, you know, he thought I was
would become a hippie and a dropout and so forth.
But I was with my friend Lou So eighty six,

(10:54):
nineteen ninety four years later, after I'd read that book.
My friend Lou was an Army combat medic with the
rank captain retired but a current paramedic in the Norwalk,
Connecticut EMS system. And I was sitting with my friend
Lou in his car and we were listening to the
radio again nineteen ninety radio ancient technology, and they were

(11:17):
talking about the three men in a baby editing phase
when Leonard d moy and his staff were going through
the editing phase, and the camera panned and they saw
a boy peeking behind the curtain and they're like, what
in the heck is that? And when they panned back,
they saw a boy standing behind the curtain holding a
high powered rifle and they called Lorraine in and there

(11:41):
was no teenage boy on set. There was no high
powered hunting rifle on set. And Lorraine discerned that this
teenage boy committed suicide on property with this high powered
hunting rifle. And I turned to Lou and I said,
that'd be so cool to work with them, you know,
cause I told him about I read the book, and
he said, yeah, no kidding. And the next night, this
is how it all be. In the next night, this

(12:02):
is the God's honest truth. Lou called me and says,
you aren't going to believe who just called me? I asked,
who Ed Warren? I'm like, what right? Ed? Was having
heart issues. He wanted a medic for their team. So
he called the chief of ems Norwalk where the hub was,

(12:22):
and asked if there was a medic that he might
be able to contact to invite to his Monday night
class held at their home and to try to make
a connection there. And he gave him Lou's phone number
and he called him up and he asked, explain what
the situation was he invited into their Monday night class
on their home and I said, you have to get
me in there. It's time. It wasn't time four years

(12:45):
prior when I read the book and I put it
back on the shelf. But I attribute this Carl to
the universal law of intention. That'd be so cool to
work with them, And yeah, no kidding. In the universal
law of conscious manifestation, this is higher powers bringing this
together through a synchronicity. And so he got to go
to the Monday night class, and he told Lorrain all

(13:06):
about the synchronicity, and she knows all about synchronicities versus
a coincidence, which is a random chain of events. And
she said, okay, invite Jason next Monday. And I was
elated and I got to go, and we went to
their home and went through the back, you know, you
walk around the house to where they're they're the museum
in the back, and they have a classroom adjacent to
that and so forth. It wasn't in the museum proper,

(13:29):
but and knocking the door, and this young man, you're
two old, three older than me answers it and he
is still one of my best friends of this day.
Drew Thompson. Andy, We called him. And I walked in
and I saw Lorraine because she's quite tall in the distance,

(13:49):
and she just comes gliding right it up, I Jason,
I'm Lorraine Warren, honey, and she just looks right at me.
You know, how strong is your faith?

Speaker 8 (13:58):
Honey?

Speaker 11 (13:59):
Was the first question she asked me, and I said,
responded instantly, said I have a man's faith. I believe
that I and the Father are one, and meaning we're
all connected. We're never separate from the creator of all
it is because we're aspects of that creator. That's what
that meant. It wasn't didn't mean anything more. You know,
I'm met Christ for anything. And she nodded, and she asked,

(14:20):
why do you want to get involved in work of
this nature? And I told her I read your book
The Demonologist, and I was terrified for the families, especially
the children, and I want to help. And she asked,
so it's a calling. Then I said, I think, but
I believe it is so welcome aboard. So we got
to go in and in walks ed in his in
a blue flannel shirt. I can never just remember to

(14:42):
this day, walk walking in and pulling down the film screen.
This is old school. We used real projectors like with
the reels and projector screens and so forth. And started
the class. It was a Monday night class. I actually
taught a class. And in that group we're about twelve fifteen,

(15:03):
very serious people of all ages. And this is before
cell phones, this is before any of the TV shows,
this is before any of the conventions. Nobody in that
group of serious investigators was doing it for any other
reason than to try to unlock the secrets. Of the
universe to help people and to be part of this

(15:27):
very enigmatic couples group, you know, their team, and I
got to meet all these people. John Zappis, of course
was there, their nephew, and myself Drew Thompson. There were
three very very important people that people that came very
important in my life, Joe and Donna Zor Joe Hayjak anyway,

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the people that I would end up going on on
cases with. So the fascinating thing was we went over
all these cases people. Basically the investigators the Warrens only
assigned people to the normal cases earth bound human spirit
type of stuff and minor things. They only got personally
involved in the very serious, dangerous cases involving inhuman spirits,

(16:15):
diabolical spirits, things like that. So we got to review
all the footage that the other investigators had been gathering
on the cases that they had been assigned to. So
this was all thrilling to me because I got to
see firsthand evidence of all the evidence that they put
they picked up. So then at the end of the evening,

(16:35):
about three hours in, Ed described this new case that
just came to their attention, and it was a newly
wet couple, they had a baby. They bought a house.
It was an older house, and they contacted the warrants
because every evening, they said, in their master bedroom. They
had a two level house with two bedrooms upstairs with

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an adjoining hallway in a bathroom, and every morning, every evening,
like clockwork, this woman, this spirit of this woman, would
walk right through their wall, ignore them completely, turn and
walk down the hallway, stop in front of the baby's crib,
which is in the baby was in the other bedroom,
scared the baby out of its wits, and then it

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would walk through. She this it was a female, would
walk through the crib and walk right through the wall
and disappear like clockwork. And the astounding thing to me,
Carl is they assigned Lu and I to that case.
This is my first case, my first class. I was
like what right. I was like okay, So I went.
I went and borrowed my mom's you know, VHS camcorder,

(17:42):
bought a tripod at radio shack, and Lu and I
went on our first case together and that's how it
all began.

Speaker 10 (17:49):
Well, that would have been the end for me.

Speaker 11 (17:54):
That would have been the end for me.

Speaker 10 (17:56):
Had to get out of there.

Speaker 11 (17:59):
Oh no, it was fit tastic. I was hooked. It
was amazing.

Speaker 10 (18:02):
Yes, so that was your first encounter for the most part.

Speaker 11 (18:07):
That was the first case. Yeah, the first case that
they assigned me to, and it was a phenomenal case.
I can get into it if you like, if the
listeners want to hear it, you tell me what you'd
like to do.

Speaker 10 (18:16):
I would imagine that was pretty influence influencial to you
as your beginning.

Speaker 11 (18:23):
It was incredible.

Speaker 10 (18:24):
Apparently it didn't scare you, because it would have me.
But I've never been one to be interested in seeing
a ghost or meeting one.

Speaker 11 (18:35):
Oh it's just us, Carl, It's us minus the body.
It's our personality minus the physical body. You know. And
after reading again, everything is timing right, Everything is orchestrated
for me, and it has been ever since that day
when I first read Life After Life as a freshman
in college, and there was nothing to fear. I was like, oh, well,

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this woman had left her body. She's in the house
all right, that these people bought and our job was
to find out why she was doing what she was doing.
And if you like, I'll get into it really quickly.
It was it was a fascinating case and most people
wait their entire lives to experience something like this, and
this was my first case. So we set the tripod

(19:19):
up in the master bedroom, aimed it at the wall
where this woman would allegedly come through every evening. We
drew the blinds, lit some candles so there's a little
bit of illumination in there, and then Lou and I.

Speaker 10 (19:32):
And the.

Speaker 11 (19:34):
Couple would wait down the hallway into the baby's room.
This is after we interviewed and did their whole you know,
film the whole house type of thing. The was a
specific protocol and anyway, so we're waiting down the hallway,
we're peering down the hall waiting to see this ghost
is you know, I have an opportunity to see my
first ghost. And we all heard a crack sound and

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like a bright blue flash of light lightning had gone
off inside that room. We were all like wow, you know,
we looked at each other. We're liked, we all saw that, right,
And I said, Okay, that's the doorway opening. It's the wormhole,
it's the vortex, it's the window and time, it's the doorway,
and now this woman's going to come walking through and
nobody walked down the hallway. So after about ten minutes,

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we walked into the bedroom and we all detected a
very very potent sweet almond smell. Didn't know what to
make of that, and after a couple of minutes we
went back into the baby's room. We were taking notes
and everything for everybody, and exactly thirty minutes later, another
bright blue flash of light took place, and upon re

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entering the room, the smell was half as intense. The
light was half as intense as well, and then nothing
more happened for the rest of the evening, and where
I was gravely disappointed because I wanted to see a ghost,
but I said that bright blue flash of light was phenomenal,
and we caught this reddible light right on the camera.

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So before we left, we put the tape into the
VHS machine and we're watching it and I was fast
forwarding and playing it at the same time, so you
see all this, you know, the snow as it's moving forward,
and then I stopped, you know, hit play, and after
about a couple of seconds, it says we've just experienced
the second flash of light. There was nothing at all

(21:23):
on the tape, and we're like what right, and then
loses He completely says, do you hear that? Right? He's
a medic, keep in mind, right, So he picked up
a specific heartbeat, and then he picked up another specific
medical heartbeat with the medical person with a medical condition,
and then a third specific heartbeat. We all would have
completely missed it. It was so faint, but he's trained to

(21:44):
listen for these things. Yeah, and he was white as
a ghost. Now, there was never any physical body close
enough to the camera for a heartbeat to be picked up,
nor was the camera sensitive enough to pick up a heartbeat,
much less three heart beats. We didn't understand that, but
I was excited. At least we got something right, and

(22:05):
we brought the tape back. I dropped it off at
the Warren's house the next night, and then the following Monday,
we went over it and when it came time for
you know, they review everything during the week and then
they'd you know, present it to the class. And they said,
this woman was obviously there, but she wasn't going to
give us any evidence in the form of a ghostly manifestation.

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But she broadcasted that. Let the sound, the crack sound,
and the light. We all saw it. Went right bypassed
our physical lives, went right into our pineal glands, our
pineal glands, our photosensitive it's the third eye. It's our
inter dimensional conduit to higher frequencies and higher dimensions. It's

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how we can have a full colored dream and a
pitch black room with our eyes closed. It's how we
can have a full colored daydream and we can visualize
these things. So act she broadcasts that directly into our
eyes bypassing the camera aperture, but right into our third eyes.
Now that's people may be asking, how is this all possible?

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So if you're sitting alone in a house and you
know nobody else is home, and you hear creaking floorboards
above you, how is this possible? There's no physical weight
applying being applied to the floorboards right, yes, But they're
projecting that sound directly into your head, right into your mind.

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Loreno said, all hauntings begin in the mind. They're projecting
what the sound sounds like into your pineal glenn, which
also picks up through your It's all frequency and vibration.
That's the big thing too. That's what I talk about
in my quantum physics presentations and so forth. It's all
everything's frequency and vibration. Nikola Tesla said, if you want
to understand the secrets of the universe, think in terms
of frequency and vibration. So the vibrations and the frequencies

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are what we're picked up. So well, I really wanted
to see a ghost, but instead we got that light,
and that, to me was phenomenal and people wait their
whole lives to have anything like that happen. This was
my first case. Lou was about fifty percent out of
the door at that point. He was like, I can't.
I don't know if I could take this stuff. You know,
he could deal with physical horrors, but dealing with, you know,

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non physical phenomenon really got him. The thing that really
freaked him out and caused him to quit completely is
when we all went to Dudley Town together during the day.
I don't know if you ever heard of Dudley Town
or not, if you want to get into that, but
it's a cursed village in Cornwall, Connecticut, and all that

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remains are foundations. I believe it was the basis for
the Blair Witch movies because if you go in there,
there are no insects, sounds, there are no animals to
be found. It's dead quiet. You feel this presence all
around you. People have gone missing, batteries drained dry out

(25:03):
of nowhere. They're just sucking the energy right out of
the electronics and so forth, and people who have been
harmed disappear, never be found again. Stay. Police won't let
you go in there anymore. But we all went there
and Lou, we're all gathering around Ed Lorraine, myself, my sister,
one of my best two of my best friends, the
whole group of investigators. It was just like an outing,

(25:24):
like a field trip type of thing. We went during
the day and Lou comes booking up this trail. He's
a huge dude, he's a he's an army combatman, a muscular,
big Italian guy, big, big mustache Talian dude booking up.
The ChIL goes, we gotta get that hap out of here.
We gotta get out of here, Like what's going on?
What's going on? And he's like completely freaked out, and

(25:44):
he said, he described that he was looking and from
behind a tree came it was like this garden gnome
type of thing, going boo, like looking peeking at him
from behind this edge of the tree. There with his
big red eyes and he couldn't take that, and he booked,
and like everybody started getting freaked out and wanted to leave,
and I wanted to spend the night actually, and Loreen says,
that's not a good idea, honey, she wouldn't let us

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do it. My sister's crying to her.

Speaker 12 (26:08):
Get out of it.

Speaker 11 (26:10):
And I wanted to experience this stuff, and that's why
I got involved, right, But that's how that. That was
my first case. And then my friend, poor friend Lou
didn't continue after that, but I did. I was hooked,
completely hooked. I was like, this is so amazing, you know.

Speaker 10 (26:25):
Yeah, Now the heartbeat on the video was almost like
an EVP on a tape recorder. I guess, yeah.

Speaker 11 (26:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (26:34):
Besides the video equipment that you used, then, were there
any other devices that you I know, they have a
lot of stuff out nowadays, pick up magnetic fields and
other stuff.

Speaker 11 (26:47):
Now this is back in nineteen ninety, so we didn't
really do anything. I never really saw much much equipment
at all being used. And you know, Lorraine was being
a light trance medium. Ed just uses trusty trustee udio
cassette recorder and handheld microphone this is back in the day,
you know, this is nineteen ninety. I had an old
one of those flat one of those square, rectangular cameras.

(27:10):
You know, we're talking polaroids sometimes too, and little mini
cassette recorders. I have a photo, my first, one of
the first photos that was taken to me on a case,
and I'm it's just funny. I look spooked and I'm
holding this ridiculous camera and there's my cassette recorder sitting
on the table. But yeah, we didn't use any of
that stuff. Really. As we continue, we'll talk about these

(27:32):
different cases and how they affected me. But I ended
up becoming more of an m path, which is fascinating
to me. I wanted to see it go so badly,
and said, I was overcome by the incredible grief that
this female earth bound human spirit was feeling. And that
changed my life forever because it made me realize what
these poor people are going through. You know, they're lost,

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they're trapped, they're stuck. They don't have to do themselves,
and nobody's there to help them. Everybody's just starre to
try to, you know, catch a voice or catch a glimpse,
but nobody's actually trying to help them, and that was
my intention from the very beginning. I want to help.
And I didn't just want to help families deal with
these horrible demonic spirits that were wrecking their lives, but

(28:18):
I wanted to help these earth bound human spirits that
did not cross over correctly. And we're lost souls, you know,
earthbound human spirits, that's what Ring called them.

Speaker 10 (28:30):
How's your equipment different? Now? Have you gotten some of
them more modern stuff?

Speaker 11 (28:34):
You know? The only thing I get involved with are
people's homes and residences when they are actually experiencing things
and they want answers. And I don't use any gear
per se. I go in there and try to witness
what they're witnessing and to witness them experiencing things. So

(28:57):
now I'm not one of these people that has all
these these devices and gadgets. I just don't do it
inspector gadget. You know. I trust my own feelings and
are own my own senses. That's what I use. And
I don't proclaim to be any kind of super psychic
or anything like that, but I do pick up information
when it's relevant, when it's supposed to happen. I have

(29:20):
had really powerful psychic experiences where I pick up information.
When I was in Washington State, I actually so I
investigated many cases with the Warrens starting in nineteen ninety
before I transferred out to Eastern Washington University because they
had an outstanding Oh me go back. I actually went
to Sacred Heart University and investigating cases with the Warrens.

(29:45):
And it was a Catholic university, so I went there
to pull my grades up because I didn't do well
at Eastern Connecticut and I wanted to transfer out to
a good writing college, writing school. So I was at
Sacred Heart. Word got out that I was working with
the Warrens. So actually, since I was an English creative
writing I actually started writing a newspaper column called Hauntings
for the Sacred Art University Spectrum newspaper starting in nineteen

(30:07):
ninety and my first several issues are up on my
website and I present those on the screen when I'm
doing my lectures and these different conventions and so forth.
But I was chronicling my first adventures working with the
for the Warrens on their behalf with the other investigators,
and then on a case that happened in Vermont that
was my most mind bending case working actually with ed

(30:28):
Lorae Warren, and I discussed that at length in a
ninety minute presentation called Working with the Warrens on my
YouTube channel that I did at the Southbury Public Library
but also at different conventions, and so I have an audio.
I had the audio from that case that was actually
transcribed into an outstanding video with Mysterious World TV about

(30:53):
this case working with the Warrens in Vermont, a case
that completely changed my life forever and was incredible. And
that was the first big, big one that I worked
on with them, and then after that I transferred out
to Eastern Washington. All had some adventures out there. Actually
I was a president of my fraternity. It was a

(31:14):
signa fi Epsilon president, first chapter president, and the school
got win that I wrote a column at Sacred Heart,
so they asked me to pick up the same column,
and I said, let's fly the Warrens out to do
their college lecture because they put an outstanding presentation together.
So we did that. We orchestrated the flying them out
and I was actually the MC there, which was pretty

(31:35):
fun at the university lecture hall. And then we had
the warrants to my fraternity house. We had a cake
and we had a private gathering, and then we all
went around to local haunted hotspots in Spokane and Chini,
which is where the school was. We went to the
cemetery called the Cemetery of a Thousand Steps, which was

(31:55):
interesting anyway, So that just exploded. Interest was just huge.
So I said, you know what, I'm going to teach
a class. So I started a class and wrote a
syllabus and had a weekly class called I mirrored it
after the Warrens New England Society for Psychic Research, and
I called it the Northwest Society for Psychic Research, and
i'd a had special guests and so forth. Put ads

(32:18):
in the paper basically saying, asking your fear experiencing haunting phenomenon,
I might be able to help. And I started getting
handwritten letters from people and going on these cases actually
helped these people. What's interesting is that the Warrens actually
Lorraine called me this is in ninety two and informed

(32:38):
me that there was a baby game aware of a
case in wrathtrum, Idaho, which is about thirty minutes east
of where I was, and they asked me to investigate us.
For the first time, as the lead investigator on their
behalf as the only investigator, and I was elated. I said, sure,
I'd be happy to and I went out there. I
took one of my friends with me. He was a
football player, is very interested, very spiritual, very devout Christian,

(33:02):
and we went to this interview this family at their home.
And while I was there, I got a phone call.
They got a phone call from a family one of
their one of their friends, who happened to be a
very interesting psychic, go enter a crystal store and spoken,
and she actually wanted to speak with me, and I did,
and she invited me to come to her store after

(33:23):
the case, in which I did, and I met her,
this blonde woman, Valerie, and this scientist named Bruce, and
they became three of my closest lifelong friends. Two very
powerful psychic women and a scientist. And it was like
the perfect combo. And that case. Actually I'm writing a

(33:46):
full ex double about that case called Rage and Rathtrom
right now. But that was a big one, and after that,
just doing local cases and so forth. It was an
ETK which was fascinating and all kinds of interesting information.
And then I graduated back in ninety three and went

(34:08):
back home to Connecticut and I worked as a banquet
manager at the Westport Inn in Westport, Connecticut, and I
decided I'd put out in a lecture and it's called Transcendence,
and I put newspapers out, newspaper adds out, and this
family contacted me that was desperate for help, and that

(34:30):
became my case that I first self published case called
Dark Siege at Connecticut Family's Nightmare.

Speaker 10 (34:36):
So the Dark Siege spirit was a naval spirit or.

Speaker 11 (34:41):
So this was a mother and child, sick mother and
six year old girl driving by Union Cemetery, which is
one of the most haunted cemeteries in New England. Right
before Halloween in ninety three, incredible storm came in and
Mom planted the idea in Kelly's mind, you know, you know,
watch out, maybe we'll see it ghost, you know, And

(35:03):
she said that's not that's scary. But then she's looking
for it, right. Well, Mom's an artist. Mom was an artist,
and Ed always said artists are very psychic, and the
children of artists are very psychic. And it turns out
that that Kelly was actually she actually spotted this gray,
black misty form deeper in the cemeteries are passing by,

(35:26):
and she's wiping the condensation off the glass, and she's
looking as Mom's focusing on the driving. Is an incredible
strainstorm and lightning and thunder habit, and she saw this
black form literally walking straight toward the car like it's
going to intercept it, right through the gravestone, which she
boggled her mind. She didn't know how to understand that,
right through the iron fence, right up to the curb

(35:48):
as the car was passing by, and then turns his
head to look at Kelly, and she's completely out of
her mind, sinking in her seat, holding her stuff bunny,
and she's like, what's going on? You know? And then
he's she's actually he's disappearing and reappearing closer to the cars,
like he's like teleporting or shifting, and ends up following
her home, comes right up to the rear window. Scares

(36:10):
her out of her mind. Mom cuts the wheel and
nearly has an accident because she's the road's very slick,
and you know, went questioning her, what are you screaming about?
It was? He was so scary. Who was this ghost? Right?
She's like, oh, Kelly, your eyes are playing tricks on you.
Ghosts aren't real, you know. There are two, you know,
and have followed her home. Mom didn't believe her. Okay,

(36:31):
oh boy older brother sixteen year old made fun of her. Ooh,
ghosts right, and she's like, you know, they just come on,
give me a break. But then mom got a glimpse
of him in the kitchen the next morning as she's
doing the laundry, comes right through the washing machine, right
through her, and she doesn't know what to make him,
but she thinks her eyes are playing tricks on her,
and then the sixteen year old brother. Other things happened.
The sixteen year old brother the next day had the

(36:53):
house to himself with his two friends and they see
this same shadowy form walking on the perimeter of the
outside of the house and they run out to confront him.
He's nowhere to be found. There's no footprints in the snow.
It's a light snowfall late October, which was weird. And
when they turned back toward the house, the sliding glass

(37:13):
door is sliding shut, and they're like, are you kidding me?

Speaker 13 (37:16):
Right?

Speaker 11 (37:17):
And they run over to the house and one of
the boys tries the door and it's locked. And then Tyler,
who lives there, tried it and easily opened and he asked,
you guys messing around with me? But then they start
experiencing things inside the house, you know, disembodied voices, laughter
from one area and then laughed you know, around them,

(37:37):
like a surround sound type of thing. And ozone smell, right,
a very powerful ozone smell that you get before a
lightning storm. And then a big crashing sound. And when
they look behind the bar, several of the bottles are
cracked in half and they're spilling out all over the
rubber mat, and some others are just you know, splintered

(37:57):
and cracked and so forth. And Tyler's like, oh my god,
I'm gonna get so in so much trouble because my
dad's gonna blame me. And then they realize that Kelly's
telling the truth. One thing after another starts happening. These guys,
sixteen year olds, they're like, what are we gonna do? Right,
Kelly's telling the truth. What are we gonna do? Let's
go get a wigi board, right, They're like, what right?
One of the guys those things that these those things

(38:18):
don't work, and the other ones that's a wicked idea,
and they go to the toy store down the road
at the mall before it closes and buy Ouiji board
and they open the floodgates when they get home because
they challenge it and everything else to come after them
and said, what are you after my sister for right
after me, you know, And they open the floodgates and
at that point, Carl, it became the most rapid escalation

(38:42):
from demonic infestation to oppression to possession to exorcism we've
ever experienced.

Speaker 10 (38:46):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 11 (38:47):
And I consulted with ED on this case and it
was mind betting. And the thing is nobody would ever
have heard about it because it in other cases, other severe,
severe cases like this, people will never hear about because
the families want no recognition because giving it recognition can

(39:07):
draw right back into their lives. So as happened with
in fact, the new movie coming out called Last Rites,
which is about the Smirl family in Pennsylvania. They came
forward and it was the worst mistake they ever could
have made because it was a media circus. People were
driving by their house every night, the kids were getting ridiculed.
It was a complete nightmare for them. When they were

(39:30):
trying to reach out people to people to help them,
so they did annoy anything about this case. This family
knew nothing about the paranormal. They had never heard of
the Warrens before. They had no interest in any of
this stuff. There were no ghost movies like ghost shows anywhere,
and they it was just a random passing by of
a cemetery on a stormy afternoon with a very sensitive

(39:53):
child who's actually now who had to seed planet in
her mind, who was looking for it, and she made
the connection with this I now, this guy was in
a very negative earth bound human spirit, but he was
a human spirit and he was causing activity to take
place for people to notice him, and he wanted to
basically tell his story. And hear this, you know, vibrant
little girl passes by and he makes a connection with her,

(40:14):
and there was nothing the farious involved. But when the
stupid teenagers issued all the wrong challenges, they opened the
floodgates and in through that doorway that they opened, right,
it's invitation and invocation, that's how the door gets opened, right,
And they invited him in and eight different demonic entities
came in, and we think it was seven demons and

(40:36):
a devil. It's a hierarchy based on the power levels,
and the nightmare that took place in this family's life
was mind boggling. And in twenty this happened in ninety three,
and in twenty twelve I learned. First of all, I
learned that there were thousands of these paranormal groups out there,

(40:57):
you know, trying to emulate what the Warrens did, because
that's where it all began. None of that's what happened.
None of these shows would exist if it weren't for
the Warrants. They're the pioneers or the modern paranormal investigation
craze in North America and in England as far as
I'm concerned, and they I found out that these are
paranormal groups. But some of these groups were using Ouiji

(41:19):
boards inside people's homes, Like, are you freaking crazy? You know?
I called John Zappas. He's the first person I called
and I explained what's going on. He's like, it's an epidemic, right,
And I called the woman and I told her that.
She said, my god, right, if you can spare one
family from the nightmare that we went through, especially a

(41:42):
little girl like Kelly, then just change our likenesses right,
so that nothing you have to promise us, nothing comes
after us, because they did come after them a second time, yeah,
with a vengeance. And that's why there's a part too. Now.
The reason I did it in two volumes is because
the family's desire was to reach to kids, right, not
to terrify anybody, but to warn them, don't play with

(42:04):
ouiji boards. Don't invite unseen spirits into your life by
challenging them, right. And for the parents, listen to your
kids if they're saying they're seeing things, pay attention right,
communicate with each other. So I did something completely unique
at this point. I actually use Manglis creative writing degree
to recreate this entire case from start to finish in

(42:27):
a cinematic true crime horror format like you're reading a
Stephen King book, because I wanted to recreate what this
family went through from the very beginning until the point
where I arrive to help out midway through all the
way to the end after the exorcism, so you feel
like you're right there among everybody experiencing these absolute horrors,

(42:53):
with everybody that these horrors are happening too. So people
say I could not put this book down. I could
not read it at night without every light in the house.
I have over four hundred and fifty reviews on Amazon
with a four point four rating. My audiobook I did
in my own voice as a five point five star
rating completely perfect, which is really good. I did all
my own voice audiobook the kindle edition anyway. And what's

(43:19):
fascinating is I did something also completely different there is
I included a chapter by chapter analysis at the end
of the book. So the last ninety five pages is
explains my experience working with the Warrens, how that all
came to be my first several cases. What my understanding
about the science and spirituality behind the paranormal in thirty

(43:40):
five years in this work. Now what this family did
right and wrong every step of the way according to
the Warrens Protocol and my experience and so forth. How
to protect yourself, how to raise your frequency and vibration
because it's all vibration and frequency, and how it's standing
Archangel Michael Prayer that I wrote that I use in
infested homes. It's very very powerful, all kinds of great stuff.

(44:03):
So that's like an armchair discussion at the end. And
then Bishop James Long. I have to say this because
he's such a huge supporter. He actually got me on
coast to coast the first time. While I was in
Salem selling my books in twenty fourteen. He went on
coast to coast and he started plugging my books. And
he says, and it was guest host Connie Willis, she says,

(44:23):
nobody plugs other people's books. What are you doing. He's like,
you have to read these books. If you want to
understand demonology, you have to read these books. Right. So
he's a huge supporter of mine, so I sent him
part too. I had to make a separate volume because
it would have been an eight hundred page epic first
attempt to self publish, but it included these spirits came

(44:47):
back with a vengeance and what we call diabolical retribution,
including incubus and succubus attacks, which are sexual. So I
had to make that an eighteen and up volume because
of the absolute severe case of infestation. I'm sorry, incubus
and succubus attacks that takes place s to be eighteen
and m. I sent the entire PDF of Volume two

(45:09):
to Bishop Long because I told them I'm really hesitant
to release that aspect because I write like, you're right
there experiencing everything, and who wants to experience a demonic rape? Right?
And you write it, and he says you have to
include this. The rare situations like this are rare, but
so severe you need to warn people that they need
to seek help from clergy immediately. This is not something

(45:31):
to toy around with because normally these things start very
subtly and pleasurable to work their way into your energy
and into your fields and into your life. But in
this case, they wanted to destroy two of these boys
that use the Ouiji board. One was straight, you got
any succubus attack. One was s really gay, you got
an incubus attack. They take the forms that you're attracted to.

(45:52):
As far as Genitalia prisons, horrible, absolutely horrible, And I
had to make it a separate volume because of that,
and so I have two different volumes in this one
family's case. And thankfully, true to my word, nothing has
happened since twenty twelve when I recreated this case. And
now I have other books that are writing about I'm

(46:13):
writing about the Rage and Wrathroom case, and I'm writing
about the case that I investigated with the Warrens in
Vermont that was so incredible to me, called the Demon
of Daybreak Farm. So I have two books I'm writing
simultaneously at the same time doing all these conventions, and
do about thirty conventions a year all over the country,
going there and driving there because my inventory is so

(46:34):
heavy and my table displays so big. But I drive
all over the place to reach out to people and
sell my books. And when I get lecture, that's fantastic,
so I can really reach people. But there are now
people that are actually trying to invite demons into their
life on purpose so that they can have the experience
to know that it's real. It's like cancer is real,

(46:56):
you know when I go get cancer, to know that
it's real. You're inviting these things to their lives. People
are using the Lesser Keys of solomon A coupled with
Ouiji boards thinking that they're going to invite demons into
their life and that they're actually going to do them.
So I've got a favor and they're not going to
suffer for it, and it's it's insanity.

Speaker 10 (47:12):
Yeah, And a lot of your books you analyze paranormal
events through quantum physics, and universal laws of attraction and
other scientific and spiritual concepts. Do you believe this approach
is important for understanding the paranormal?

Speaker 11 (47:28):
Again, everything's frequency and vibration. So everything that you think about,
everything that every action you take is important. Your intention
is everything. Everything is intention. I'll give you an example
a case that I went on, one of my first
demonic cases. I went on with Joe and Donna and

(47:49):
Andy in this house working, you know, as the Warren students.
We're all sitting on this sectional sofa, and Donna and
Andy were able to detect and perceive this pitch black
form standing on the stairs observing us. And at that point,

(48:10):
I pulled out of my pocket a blessed rosary beats
my grandmother gave me. They're actually glowing, the dark green
rosary beats. Yeah, And I pulled them out of my
pocket and put them in my hands as a protective measure.
And they said this, And I heard, Jason, what did
you do? He has rosary beats? Put them away quick, right?

(48:32):
And then I'm fearful, and then I'm fumbling with them,
trying to stick them in my pocket. But when I
pulled them out of my pocket, according to these two psychics,
they could see this form on the stairs went right
up to me. I didn't feel it, didn't sense it
or anything, but it was like literally standing right there
in front of me as I was sitting on the couch.
And the second that I put them back into my pocket,

(48:52):
it went right back up to the stairs. And when
we had the class the next Monday night and we
were describing this situation, I asked, well, what could have happened? Right,
and he said it could have burned you, scratched you, choked,
you mauled, you, teleported you. Right. I was like, you know,
I don't think it could have done that to me.

(49:12):
But he said, to your intention was self protection, not
to challenge it. If I took them out of my
pocket and said I challenge you my faith against you,
the intention was a direct challenge and a confrontation that
could have ensued, but that wasn't the case. Everything that

(49:35):
we do in our lives is intention. Intention matters. Every
song you listen to, right, every television show you listen,
you watch and you observe, and you put yourself, You
immerse yourself into the thoughts that you have, the deeds
that you do. It all matters, and it all affects

(49:57):
your frequency and vibration. And if your frequent vibration is
lowered enough, right, these demons can come in and latch
onto you and cause problems for you. Now, frequency and
vibrations affected by there's something called pharmachea right, which is
pharmacy sorcery drugs. Right. Yeah, there's a spirit called alcool
that comes from Egypt, which is alcohol. And as my

(50:20):
good friend Bill Bean says, who's been on coast to
coast hundreds of times, you know, it's a flush eating demon, right,
And that's what they call it under the influence, Because
you're under the influence of a demonic spirit. At this point,
your frequency and vibration lowers your or becomes very poor.
So Lorrain always was adamant no drinking, right, No pharmaceutical drugs,

(50:45):
no recreational drugs. You have to be a fit and
a sound mind, balanced emotionally, right, because all of these
things matter. If you are anxious or fearful, you're putting
everybody at risk. If you're under the influence of drugs
or alcohol, you're putting everybody else at risk. And she

(51:06):
wouldn't have it, and so all of this matters, and
it all ties into the frequency and vibration, which is
all part of quantum physics the observer. If you really
want to find a phenomenal movie, watch what the bleep
do we know about? All about quantum physics and how
the observer actually can create the reality that this person experiences.

(51:27):
So for me, everything is vibration and frequency, the law
of intention, the law of attraction, the law of balance,
the love of conscious manifestation. Your vibratory field and your
vibratory rate affects the strength of the shields around it,
your mental, astral, emotional, physical body, your spiritual body. If
you have no religious, no spiritual connection to God, the

(51:52):
creator of all that is right, and you believe that
you're completely separate from that incredible power, the most powerful
force there is is, then that's a whole layer of
shielding that you don't possess, that isn't going to help you.
When Lorraine asked me the first question, how strong is
your faith? Right? And it wasn't just because you know,
she wanted to know if I go to churches because

(52:12):
it's your level of protection. You can tell somebody who's
really really well protected and really really spiritual, not religion, spiritual,
know that you're connected to the Creator, You're all connected
to each other, You're connected to this earth and everything
on it. You have a knowing right. You're much better protected,

(52:33):
and I've always felt protected. Lorraine always taught us the
christ Like for instance, you would visualize a white ball
of light in your core, which is God's light, and
it's your connection to God. The God spark right and
you feel it and visualize it expanding until it completely
surrounds you front and back, left and right, up and down,
until you're in a complete bubble of light, and know

(52:57):
that this is God's protection. That nothing, I mean, God
is the power in the universe. Nothing can breach that
and cause you any harm. But you have to believe it.
Everything is faith, and faith is very very powerful. And
you know, I believe that's the reason why she set
me on my first case the way she did, and

(53:17):
because she realized I was here to try to help out.
And that's how it all ties in on a lot.

Speaker 10 (53:23):
Of these hauntings. You say, it deals with the vibrations.
Can the houses and the foundations absorb their vibrations from
the past, and that's what is actually haunting some locations.

Speaker 11 (53:38):
Yeah, yeah, Lorraine said, the one place you would never
return to. And I heard her say this is the
Amityville House because there's just been so much tragedy that
takes place that draws What draws more tragedy, it's negative energy.
It's like a downward spiral into the earth, right, and
it keeps drawing more negative energies, negative entities. It will
draw negative people there whoever their own negative experiences. So

(54:02):
if you're in a very think about somebody who's happy
and joyful, right and they're vibrating, they're they're glowing, right,
They're happy, they're glowing, they're they're just they look wonderful,
they're standing up right, they feel great. Versus somebody who's
completely depressed to the point of suicide. Right, there have

(54:23):
no energy left there. They're just like they're sulking, they
look terrible. They're they that you need to see that,
see it, right, And that's the type of person that
these negative energies can just want to go golong onto Ooh,
we have easy pickens. And like Bishop Archbishop James Cloud
said in my Defeating Demonic, Defeating the Demonic seminar that
I put together in twenty forty four and twenty twenty three.

(54:47):
You have to understand what these demonic spirits see when
they look at you and me, And he said, it's
tantamount to the will to the lioness hunting the wild
beast on the Serengeti.

Speaker 10 (55:00):
Right.

Speaker 11 (55:01):
They see us as animals, and they're looking for the
weak one, the easy prey, right, the person that's depressed,
the person that's getting into dark occult practices, the person
that's on drugs, the person that's violent, the person that's
consumed by lust or just cannot get enough alcohol or

(55:21):
drugs or whatever. I mean. It's all again frequency and vibrations.
So they try to go after the week, the weakest link.
They always go after the weakest link. They leave the
strongest person, the alpha as in the case in Dark
Siech my case alone completely, and they'll go after the troublemakers, right,
the person that actually is actually trying to challenge them,

(55:42):
or the weakest ones. And they don't fight fair, and
their goal is to kill, rob and destroy and destroy
your family and break it apart, and you know, make
you feel like there's no hope, there's nobody to turn to.
They'll pull you out of your support structure and convince
you to go kill your self. In some cases, because

(56:02):
they're oll goal they can't kill you, they can convince
you to kill yourself. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (56:08):
The amityb House is that I saw pictures somewhere the
other day where the house has been renovated and someone
else's living there.

Speaker 11 (56:15):
Now is no idea. The only connection I have with
that is I was doing a convention and Chris Lutz
came up to my table and to introduce himself, and
I was like, wow, you know, because all those cases,
the conjuring case, the nun, the Amityville I'm sorry, the
Amityville case, the Annabel stuff, all the haunting in Connecticut.
Even though I'm friends with Carmen Snedecker who's now Carmen Reid,

(56:37):
the Southington Funeral Home case in Connecticut, I was. All
that stuff predated my arrival on the scene as an
investigator in nineteen ninety, so I can't even talk about
it because I wasn't there. And the thing that makes
me laugh are people who are, you know, trying to
comment on the Warren's careers or who they were as
people and so forth, when they never met them and
never went on you know, never were part of their

(56:58):
classes or never went on any cases and say things
about them. It's like, you know, I can't. I don't
even talk about the cases that I know of that
I've seen evidence of, you know, in the classes and
so forth, and heard them talking about it from you know,
first hand accounts, because I wasn't there, And I don't
talk about what I wasn't what I hadn't experienced, because
I have no right to do so. And my experience

(57:20):
with the Wards has been nothing but positive. They've been
like the grandparents, you know, I wish I had, even
though I loved my grandparents, because they were like this.
The first time I walked into that classroom, it was
like stepping into the Wizard's Tower, you know, It's like
everything is just I felt like my whole life was
meant to just be right there at that moment to

(57:41):
you know, the experience to begin this adventure. And that's
what it's been. It's been wild. Wild.

Speaker 10 (57:49):
I would call them an adventure, that's for sure. Yeah,
all right, work close since top of the hour. I'll
go ahead and take the first break, and then we'll
be back right after that. It's five and a half minutes.
Oh kay, thank you sir.

Speaker 12 (58:16):
You get it in thee gets waiting in the pubs.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Meantime, whole everything.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
A man is going Dixie.

Speaker 14 (58:44):
This is dark matter news. I'm Joshua Stark. Researchers from
the University of Washington and City of Hope National Medical
Center report the existence of a new biological state neither
fully alive nor entirely dead. This occurs when sells from
deceased organism given nutrients, oxygen, bioelectric signals, or biochemical cues,

(59:06):
begin to reorganize into functional multicellular entities. These new life
forms exhibit capabilities never seen in the original organism. Two
examples of these are zenobots and anthrobots. Xenobots, or cells
from dead frog embryos that self assemble into tiny biological
machines that can move using cilia, collect materials, self heal,

(59:29):
and even self replicate. Anthrobots are human lung cells that
can similarly form micro robots, capable of locomotion, self repair,
and even repairing nearby neuron cells. One hypothesis suggests specialized
cell membrane channels act as electrical circuits, enabling communication, movement, growth,

(59:53):
even post mortem. The ability to enter this third state
depends on factors like time since death, temperature, availability of energy,
the organism's age, health, sex, and species. With lifespans of
four to six weeks before biodegrading, these biobots are safe

(01:00:14):
and controllable. They could be engineered to deliver drugs, clear
arterial plaque, treat cystic fibrosis, or regenerate damaged tissue using
a patient's own cells to avoid immune reactions. These biobots
open implications for regenitive medicine, legal definitions of death, and

(01:00:34):
even ethical policies. For the first time, NASA's James Web
Space Telescope or JWST, has directly discovered and imaged a
previously unknown exoplanet TWA seven B, without prior detection from
earth bound observatories. TWA seven B orbits a youthful star
roughly one hundred and ten light years away in the

(01:00:57):
constellation Antlea. The host is just about six million years old.
This gas giant is roughly Saturn mass, around one third
of Jupiter's mass, and joins the ranks of the lightest
exoplanets ever captured by direct imaging, about ten times less
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Speaker 10 (01:03:31):
Right, welcome back to midnight Fregrancy Radio. And I was
told by one of the listeners that we were having
some audio issues. I apologize for that, but no matter
how much you pre plan and pre test, it always
seems Murphy's LAWSS got to kick in and that was
an issue. So we're back and I think everything's working

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correctly now.

Speaker 11 (01:03:53):
Well talking about this stuff, the dark Side doesn't like it.
So I always say thank you Angel Michael for being here,
being with us now, for blocking any interference that is
taking place, for allowing this show to us flow smoothly
and that it reaches everybody who needs to hear the
information in the name, the power and the glory of
the One Creator, and.

Speaker 10 (01:04:12):
So it is amen to that. What are some of
the biggest misconceptions about the paranormal that choose it run
across and how do you address those?

Speaker 11 (01:04:23):
That's a good question. So most people, I mean we're haunted, right,
I mean their spirits all around us all the time.
We can only see visible light, which is one percent
of everything around us. That's why they call it visible light.
So we're ninety nine percent oblivious to everything around us.
So for people to say things like you know, if

(01:04:45):
I can't see that doesn't exist. That doesn't make any
sense at all when you consider the fact that we
can only see one percent other things around us. So
when people play with a Wigi board, for instance, they
think it's a game, it's sold as a game. It's
ed Warren, my teacher and mentor and friend, called it
the most dangerous piece of negative cult paraphernalia in existence.

(01:05:05):
Why would that be because you're using your free will right,
God gave us free will to initiate contact and have
communication with an unseen spirit. You don't know where that
spirit is, where it's from, what type of spirit it is,
what its intentions are, whether it's lying to you or not,

(01:05:25):
what its end goal is, and so forth. You have
no idea that dangers involved in trying to communicate with spirits.
Another thing is that people often issue a general query
or a general statement. You know, are there any spirits here? Well?
Where's here? Defined in that statement, in the house or

(01:05:47):
in the room that the board's being used in, in
the house, on the property, in the town, the county,
the state, the country, the planet, the dimension, the density.
There's no where any spirits here? Will where everywhere? You know,
you don't define these things that you put. There's no

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limitation on what that that request is all about. And
thinking that you are going to be able to somehow
challenge or go toe to toe with something that you
have no idea what it is is also very folly.
So like in the Dark Siech case, when these teenagers
challenge these spirits, come mess with me? What do you

(01:06:29):
after my six year old sister for? Come after us?
Are you afraid of us? You know, show yourself asking
something to show itself. Well, you're only able to see
visible lights. So unless it's really going to project itself
into your mind or manifest before you, which takes a
great deal of energy, you're not going to see anything.
And then you can say, oh, well, nothing happened. I

(01:06:49):
use the Ouiji board, right, nothing happened. You have no
idea just what you what door you've opened right, or
where it is. It's often exactly where you use the board,
as in the case in the Dark Seach case, and
it's swung wide open. You may the invitation and people say, oh, well,
they don't you know how to use it?

Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
Right?

Speaker 11 (01:07:07):
You don't close the doorway, They're not. They don't if
to do because they're not closing the doorway, don't I
really seriously doubt that most people know how to close
the doorway when they can't even perceive it and not
understand you know, where where it's located and what it's
connected to. It's like it's like you're opening a window
in space and time. Now, these beings, if it's a
demonic spirit, they exist outside time and space. Right, So

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fifteen years down the line, when you've completely forgotten about
using the Wuigi board, to them, it's a blink of
an eye. So like like Archbishop Cloud says, is, oh,
I've been you know, I've been using the Wigi board
for fifteen years and I teach it and blah blah
blah blah. You know it hasn't happened yet, right, And
like Bishop Block says, they'll come when they want to come,

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not at your leisure, when you're sick in bed, when
you lost your loved one, right when you're in the
middle of the divorce, when you're when you're when you're destitute,
when you're a big mess. That's when they'll pounce because
they don't fight fair. They need to be invited in
because we have free will. So you're using that invitation
and Wigi board is the worst worst way to invite

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dark spirits into your life. That's that's the biggest thing,
and that's you know, if we didn't if they didn't
use the Ouiji board in this in this case that
I investigated in Monroe, that I call dark siege, then
all we would have had to deal with was an
earth bound human spirit. The other mistake is to think
that you're hunting anybody the whole, the whole notion that
we are ghost hunters is laughable when we can only

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perceive one percent of everything around us. When you study
in your death experience cases and you realize that when
consciousness vacates this spoty, the body is an insulated meat
suit and it's it's insulated. So we were not able
to perceive anything after the one percent. And most people
aren't very They don't develop their psyche abilities, they don't

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put any time into it. If you want to be
a master pianist, you used to study the piano eight
hours a day every day for fifteen years. If you
want to be a psychic and really develop those skills,
you get to put time into it. Most people couldn't
care lesson. They don't have the time, they don't know
how to do it. But when the spirit vacates the body,

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they're able to read the thoughts of other people, easily
feel their emotions. They can see in a three hundred
and sixty degree arc. Right, it's incredible. But when you're
in the body, whereas we're like we're blind as a bat,
and I don't even have sonar, cats and dogs can
see more than we can. And when your cat is
hissing and they're hiding out of the couch, or the
dogs growling and barking at the corner, you know, they're

(01:09:44):
seeing things that we're unable to perceive. They're able to
see more than we can. So pay attention to those
those guardian animals, right, and yeah, the whole thing I mean,
I just I want to make a meme where somebody
is like people who are, you know, looking around the
hou with a flashlight thing and they're gonna hunt something.
You're hunting something that you can't even perceive, you know,

(01:10:07):
And then if it's inhuman, they're probably just like look
at this guy. You know, Now you have the technologies
and so forth. Like I said that I don't use
but it's like you know, grids and things, and you
can maybe catch some kind of disturbance, but what are
you really seeing? You know. The other major factor for
me which really gets me upset is you'll have these

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haunted locations, whether it's an asylum or it's a prison,
or it's a hotel or a brothel or a saloon,
or a mental institution or just a battlefield location and
so forth, and people will be you know, running to
these places, inserting themselves or immersing themselves into these situations

(01:10:52):
because they want to have a spiritual, ghostly phenomena experience.
But again, like I was telling you earlier, are you
mentally sound, emotionally sound, physically sound, are you on drugs, alcohol,
what's the state of your or do you have any
kind of spiritual defenses? Are you full of fear right
which completely lowers your vibration? Are you immersing yourself in

(01:11:13):
the situation where you're going to go home with an
attachment and have somebody else has to basically come and
help you out. Are you going in there to these
locations to try to get some evidence that this other
side exists? That's that's reasonable, right, That's I think why
we all got involved, and I got involved working with
the warrants is. I knew it, I'd believed it existed.

(01:11:35):
I wanted to have experiences to understand that it did.
But my goal was to always help these zeros bound
human spirits, help them cross over. Right, instead of having
an ind and charging fifty dollars a person every weekend
to come in and try to get a voice message
or an EVP or watch the little thing roll around

(01:11:56):
and light up, and you know, how about we help
these people cross over and end their misery. I went
to a hotel place to investigate because I was driving
through from one convention to the other, and they said,
don't cross my spirits. It was like, those aren't your spirits.
That's soul trafficking, right. These spirits need help, they want

(01:12:18):
to leave. It's just like you or I. Can you
imagine being trapped and stuck in a location, You have
no idea what to do with yourself, You don't know
how to reach out and call out for help, and
nobody's helping you get that help to help you cross over,
but they want you to stick around as their little
plate thing, you know, for decades. It's outrageous and I
just don't think I think, you know, I'd go in there.

(01:12:41):
I'd go in there and clean every one of these
things out. I'd also invoke the power of the archangels
and i would clear all this dark crap out of
people's locations. And it's just, you know, it's maddening to
me because this whole thing is perpetuates because we don't
try to help end the light of these spirits, these spirits,

(01:13:01):
and it's it's it's crazy to me. And it's another
thing is treating these people like you're like there your plaything,
when these are fields of awareness that have existed, always,
always have existed, exists now, will always exist. But they're
trapped between dimensions. They haven't crossed over properly, and that
happens for a number of reasons, not even understanding that

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they've passed, right, they still think they're alive and that
they can cling to this lifetime. When this lifetime's through
with them. At that point, the they fear going to hell, right,
they don't want to go into the light, or they
don't want to take their relative's hand and cross over
because they fear they're going to face loved ones or
judgment for a lifetime of mistakes that they made. They
won't be able to get their drugs or their alcohol,

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or their sex, or they're gambling whatever else. They're addictive
to food, cigarettes, any of that stuff. They mistakenly believe
that they can't have whatever they want when they go
onto the other side, which is foolish because you can
have anything you want, you can actually manifest it with
a thought. But they're trapped. And some spirits actually, of
course don't want to go because they feel like they're

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okay in this in between states. So the Tibetans call
that the bardo. It's the in between state life between life,
where you're stuck. You haven't crossed over, you're just you're
just like a shadow floating around and you know, unable
to interact in a physical way, unable to make contact
with most people. So you have to resort to, you know,

(01:14:33):
moving things that they can get their attention, or projecting
thoughts or smells and perfumes and things in their minds.

Speaker 10 (01:14:41):
Tell me a lot of these things have turned in
and nothing but a circus act. Yeah yeah, and I'm
sure a spirit the last thing it wants is somebody
telling them, please make this buzzer go off of.

Speaker 11 (01:14:53):
Yeah, that's what they can't wait to hear.

Speaker 10 (01:14:55):
Yeah, I'm sure they're just dying. Well, I'm sure they're.

Speaker 11 (01:14:58):
Just yeah, I'm just dying to come and play with you.
It's like give me all the God again. Yeah, you know,
And you know, I don't mean to belittle anybody you
know who's who you know in anyway, but you have
to take into consideration these people. They're people, you know,

(01:15:18):
minus the body. They're still very much alive. They're more
alive than we are. There's you know, Indian chiefs that
say the spirit world is so far superior to the
physical world, there's no comparison. But in this case, you're
stuck in between. So my might go to whenever I
pass the cemetery when i'm there for you know, near
a hearted location, or I sent some things around me
that wants help. Thank you Archangel Gabriel. Right Gabriel for

(01:15:41):
being here now, for taking any spirits in this cemetery
or in this location home to God. If it is
their free will choice, you can act as an intermediary
and summon assistance for these poor lost people. They if
nobody else is going to do it, you can do it, right,
So Here's the interesting thing is that the angelic needs

(01:16:01):
to be invited in just like the dark needs to
be invited in, because we have free will. Otherwise we're
operating on our own and your guides, your hire, your
team and spirit you know, your angels, your archangels. They're
waiting to be requested. But you have to be very
specific too. Same thing when you're using wheata boards. Same
thing when you're trying to interact with these spirits. You

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have to be very very specific what it is that
you desire, and you have to have the faith that
whatever you ask for will be instantly manifested. That's the
big thing too. So my go to prayer, which I
actually put on a bookmark that I give to people
who buy my books. My friends and iconographer and she
made this archangel Michael icon But my prayer, you know,

(01:16:43):
I could just wing it. But thank you Archangel Mikhayel,
for being here now, for drawing your sword, meaning being
here now meaning you're here instantly. There's no delay, there's
no time and space outside of the third dimension. They're
with you in an instant right, it's instant. Thank you
for being here now, for drawing your sword, for serving
your connections, any connections I've made with any spirits at

(01:17:05):
any point in my life. For closing any doorways I've
opened at any point in my life through the use
of Ouiji board or occult practices or paraphernalia or intentions,
for closing that doorway permanently and for sealing it forever.
For taking any energies that are not in alignment with
my highest good out of my life, out of my awareness,
out of my home, out of my conveyances, my cars forever.

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For sending a legion of holy warrior angels to be
with me in my home, in my car, with everyone
that I love, and for keeping us safe in all ways,
always in Jesus' name or in the name of the
One Creator. So be it. It is so amen. Whatever
you want to say, but if you believe it and
you summon it, it's going to affect you in a

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positive way. And you can do it every morning when
you wake up. You can just wing it. Thank you
archangel for being here now. It's instant for protecting me
as my body sleeps, for protecting my spirit as it
goes off and travels as my body sleeps. You can
wing it. Yeah, you can wing it, but you have
to believe it and it's true. That's the thing. It's

(01:18:13):
whatever you ask for in faith, you shall receive. So
a lot of these sayings are real in my life.

Speaker 10 (01:18:20):
Oh yeah, What are some of the biggest misconceptions that
you deal with in the paranormal and how do you
address people about these misconceptions.

Speaker 11 (01:18:31):
Everybody has an opinion, right, everybody has the answers, and
you have to look at somebody's experience and what they
you know, their intentions is my thing. If somebody is
out there trying to just float their ego and become
a become a slab, if you're out if you're if

(01:18:51):
you're if you're ghost hunting, which is a big misnomer,
and you're out there trying to catch some evidence so
that you can get on some kind of TV show
Oh lord, right and become an instant par of celebrity,
or you exaggerate the number of years that you've been
involved in this, or you you know, you make things up.
I mean, it all come back because everything's out there

(01:19:12):
in the in the in the field, and everything is
in public domain. There are all these people and I'm
not saying anybody's any better than anyone else. And I
always say that just because I worked with the Warrens
as one of their students, is one of a small
handful of people that actually really was in the trenches
with them, doesn't make me any more special than anybody else.

(01:19:33):
It is special, but it doesn't make me some superstar.
You know, they were the superstars, the legends. They're the legends,
and the stories and the cases and the experience is special.
And I talked to some of the other people, like
my friend Drew Andy who's worked with him. He has

(01:19:55):
no interest at all in coming forward about any of
his case work working with Warrens. He was there before
I came in, and he's the one that opened the
door for me when I first arrived at the house
and I said, you're you know, we're all getting older,
you know, we all these stories and all these stories
are going to die off with us if when we
die off, and we need to preserve them. And he's like,
I don't care. People just don't care. And uh, you know,

(01:20:18):
it's because I believe that, you know, people have egos,
and people have intentions, and whether they're just sincere or
good intentions or bad intentions that that all remains to
be seen. But I know there's just so much stuff
going on, and this whole competition between everybody is like,

(01:20:41):
you know, everybody wants to be on the same level,
and everybody is out there just bashing people. And I
try to stay away from all that stuff. And it's like,
I won't say anything publicly about anybody because it's just
as more harm than good. And that's not who I am,
you know. I try to bring people together, and that's
my I try to build bridges and say, look, and

(01:21:03):
here's the thing with the warrants, And this is a
public statement that I make all the time. The Warren's
been doing it for over fifty years, and there have
been generations of people that have worked in some capacity
with them, or knew them, or saw their lectures or
bumped into them, or had some kind of history with
them and so forth. So guess what, we all have

(01:21:25):
a piece of the puzzle, and we can all come
together and you know, put it all together and be
happy about celebrating this enigmatic couple. And there's so many
people that bashed them left and right, who have never
met them, who have heard stories and so forth. Is
everybody perfect? No, right, but my experiences with them has

(01:21:46):
been nothing but genuine. Lorraine was always very concerned about
the safety of the investigators. She would call cases off
before they ever began because she realized she's putting people
in danger. The severe cases, they would call cases off
as there because people are getting they're really really becoming

(01:22:07):
it's becoming dangerous. Right. I didn't want to see anybody
get hurt, because that's right. He was a very kind woman,
and Ed was always very very serious, but he was
always cracking jokes. Why to raise the vibration because people
are getting very serious and very down, like, oh my god,
we're being affected by this dark presence in this house.
He's like, you know, you gotta shift out of that

(01:22:28):
victim mindset and realize that you're here as an observer.
You're here as somebody here to help other things that
are I can't really think of anything else regarding that question.
But I'm lucky and fortunate enough that actually chronicled all
my experiences in the newspapers, so working being a sacred

(01:22:48):
Heart university student and writing the newspaper columns and preserving
that information on the public record. When I was just
a young college student, so that was really cool. And
the interesting thing, there's a there's a tape out there
the Rathdroom case I did in Idaho. The Warrens actually
did a live satellite uplink from New York to Seattle

(01:23:14):
and then to spoken or wherever we were all doing it,
and I got bumped off that broadcast because one of
the family friends went in and said it me, and
I was that upset me because I was the lead
investigator in the case. But Lorraine mentioned me, said one
of our students, a young man by the name of
Jason McLeod, was the lead investigator in this case, and
he experienced such and such and such. That tape exists.

(01:23:37):
I never got a copy of it because I wasn't
doing it at the time to get on a show
or have any kind of notoriety and so forth like that,
But that that tape exists somewhere in Washington State where
I went to college. I'd love to get my hands
on that. The interesting thing is that Judy the Warrens

(01:23:59):
dot was going through all their files and she actually
sent me screenshots of the letter that I had written,
handwritten letter that I sent to the warrants from my
dorm at Eastern Washington about this rastroom case and how
very concerned I was about specific family members and so forth.
So I got the envelope in an angle of one
of the pages of the letter. So that's really good

(01:24:21):
because I didn't keep any of that stuff. And I
actually had phenomenal photographs at that case. There was one
instance where they would described they would see like these
red floating that looked like eyes outside the house peering
in inside the house at certain times, and I captured
that on film in I'm all like looking really freaky stuff,

(01:24:44):
you know, it's like the classic things, and all that
stuff was lost when my closet flooded during a major rainstorm,
and I just hosted all because I was like what
am I going to do with this stuff? You know,
I mean I wasn't, you know, collecting hundreds of audio
cassettes and hundreds of video cassettes. But there are others
people who've done that, like John Zappas, which is really
great because he's a whole library. Jimmy Pattanido, who's a

(01:25:06):
friend of mine. He was actually working as the Warrens
photographer on many cases, and he has a whole library
of video VHS tapes because he was actually working with
Bishop McKenna, Robert McKenna during the Exorcisms that he was
performing in Monroe at the Chapel. So's he and I is,
we're like, you know, we college some of the ogs,

(01:25:28):
you know, one of the group of probably fifteen or
so people because we were there, you know, and he
has all those tapes and so forth. So it's really
great because it's preserving the history. And you know, he's
trying to write some books too. He wrote two books,
Phantom Messages, and I can't remember the newest one is.
But you know, we're there. We're trying to lecture and
talk about it and present the material because I think

(01:25:51):
people are fascinated. They'll always be fascinated with spirit phenomena. There.
So many people are fascinated with the Warrens. And here
we are as the students and now proteges of the Warrants,
and we have all kinds of information that the public
would love to have access to, good or bad. Right
for me, it was all good, except that one time

(01:26:12):
I was bumped off the show. But anyway, that's just
the way it is. You know, things happen, and everything
happens for a reason, and I know it's always for
the best and highest good, no matter what it is.
At the time, you really don't realize that, but I
think and that as it goes on, you realize that
this is all meant to be, and it's happening because
this is the way it's supposed to go down.

Speaker 10 (01:26:34):
Well, your intentions to me seem more honorable than some
of the other folks out there.

Speaker 11 (01:26:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:26:43):
To be honest, I see very few that are actually
there to help the people that are involved instead of
making a television broadcast out of this stuff. I questioned
some of those television broadcasts, but you know, I would know.

Speaker 11 (01:26:58):
I've never watched a single episode of any of those shows.
In fact, I was in the in the classroom in
the Warren's home when Ed and Lorraine were first talking
about Warner Brothers expressing interest in buying their cases or
some other cases, and those of us who were sitting
there like they're gonna You know, you spent your careers

(01:27:19):
bringing the reality behind the paranormal to general awareness through
your lectures and your books, and now you're get to
sell them and give anybody who buys them creative license
to do whatever it is they want, you know, because
they had formulas and so forth. And you know, for instance,
Carmen Reed, Carmen Senecker, she's a friend of mine. I
met her at one of the first conventions I did, Sweetheart.

(01:27:40):
She was the woman in the haunting and Connecticut case
in the funeral home, and they made a TV movie
out of her case and they put bodies in the
walls of the funeral home, like the bodies were falling
out of the woodwork, and they're like, it makes her
look foolish, you know, because it did not happen. And
then it all comes back on guess who the warrants. Oh,

(01:28:02):
they made it up and they put it on there.
They didn't do it. Hollywood did it. Yeah, you know.
And she was so upset because you know, her story
they wrote. She wrote a book, which is great because
it preserves her story. Same thing with the parents, you know,
they did everything with the conjuring and so forth. And
Andrea wrote a book, a series of books, the trilogy,
actually about her experiences from her perspective, so the cases

(01:28:28):
are preserved by the people that were actually experiencing them.
And the reason I self published Dark Siege I easily
could have gotten a publishing contract for it, but I
did not want some editor who has no idea what's
going on to go and tweak things and change things
and put things in that didn't exist and omit things
that happened, because this is absolutely the most terrifying experience

(01:28:50):
in my life. It's more terrifying than the conjuring stuff
the Exorcist, even it's wilder than the Poltergeist movies, even
though that was mostly fiction's nuts. What happened in this case,
and I self public to preserve the entigrity of the
case is. I've done phenomenally well with it. But I'm

(01:29:10):
thinking how incredible it would have been and could be
if a major publisher picked it up and got it
to the world where there's millions and millions of people
reading instead of tens of thousands who've read it. But again,
my fear is, you know, things being altered. The good
news is is that I partnered with somebody last year.

(01:29:32):
I met in Chicago and at the airport actually, and
he came and asked, he came to the show, had
no interest in the paranorm morning and stuff, and he's like,
why hasn't this been turned into a movie, and I said,
help me turn it into a movie, and I'll, you know,
give you a piece of the pie. I'm all about
sharing a piece of the pie. And he and I

(01:29:53):
partnered together and we hired a screenwriter from AMC Shutter Channel,
Joe Randazzo, and he and I wrote the screenplay for
a Dark Siege Infestations. So the Dark Siege book Just
Tell You About It is separated into three sections, four
sections investation chapters, oppression chapters, possession chapters, and then the

(01:30:17):
chapter analysis. So Joe says, oh my god, we're never
going to fit all this stuff in a one two
hour movie. This can easily be three two hour movies
with each section, or phenomenal streaming series. So he and
I have just finished Dark Siege Infestation screenplay. We had
a table read at University of Illinois because Jim his

(01:30:39):
son just graduated and he's part of the drama department.
So we had their drama department read their line the lines.
They chose a character, and they got to read the
lines of from the nine major characters in the first
third of the book, and the professor read the narration
and they absolutely all loved it. Joe says, you write

(01:31:02):
in a cinematic style. We actually just copied and pasted
a lot of my pros right into the screenplay. That's
how easy was. I write in a very cinematic way.
I write it because I see it right. So I
recreated it based on what I remember and all the
interviews that I did, and recreating the characters who are
real people change names and so worth and all that stuff.

(01:31:23):
But it just is so dynamic and so visual for people.
They can't put it down and they can't wait. They
can't read it at night without every light on, even
from seasoned investigators, even Drew Andy Thompson. He says, I
could not read this book without all the lights on
the house. And he's the person that opened the door
for me at the Warrens place. You know, he's experienced
phenomenal things, and he's actually in the case, in the

(01:31:45):
Verrop case that I'm writing about, because he is a
very talented psychic, almost as talented as Lorraine was, and
very involved as an investigator working for the Warrens. But
I know I talk so much, but there's so much
to convey.

Speaker 10 (01:32:02):
I think it would be a great series for like
a series to put on something like Gaya or something
something similar, it would be great.

Speaker 11 (01:32:12):
Yeah, I'd love to see it as a full theater
as full theater theatrical release, you know, three two hour movies,
but you can do so much more with the streaming.
And again, the goal is to reach the people and say, look,
this is the absolute horror or nightmare that took place
with an average American family who had a chance drive

(01:32:33):
by a cemetery, and the total disaster that took place
when they used a Ouiji board and made the wrong
connections to the wrong time, and it just kept getting
progressively worse.

Speaker 10 (01:32:45):
I hear so many people being interviewed on all the
shows too, they said, well, I've never had any trouble
with Ouiji board. It's it's yeah, yeah, I'm thinking yeah
yet yeah, that's the key word. I wouldn't even let
one into my front door.

Speaker 11 (01:33:01):
You know, the numbers of stories that I've heard from
people that came up and told me their own bug
board nightmare stories incredible. I can't destroy them.

Speaker 10 (01:33:09):
They had had his own I'm not sure what took place.
He never told anyone. Well, he may have told some
people really close to him, but he never you know
tell me about it, but I heard him talking about
it on the air.

Speaker 11 (01:33:20):
Yep. So they teleport them around, They move them around.
You can't destroy them. In many cases they come right back.
It's fascinating when you make that connection. But again you
use the Archangel Michael prayer. Thank you Archangel Michael, for
severing any connections I've made with this board, for closing
any doorways I've opened with this board. For for liberating

(01:33:41):
me and for freeing for protecting me, and for taking
taking any spirits that I that I've contacted with this
board into custody, take them to the One Creator, to
God Almighty, and take them out of my life forever. Right. Yeah,
they'll do it, but you have to ask them to
do it. You know, they're they're incredibly powerful beings, and

(01:34:07):
you're dealing with nefarious spirits that want us to seek
to destroy you and split your family apart and isolate
and terrorize and possess you. You know, their ultimate goals
be able to possess you, their ultimate goals will be
able to kill you. Because they can't kill God, they
can't hurt God, but they go after the next best thing,
which is whom God loves. Which is humanity. You know.

(01:34:28):
The thing that bothered me the most when I saw
the Pope s Exorcist, when the seeving rage that these
beings have. You know, the one woman was just trying
to protect her son, you know, and it's like just
I completely like a smigull from Lord of the Rings,
like Bilbo, you know, when he's under the possession and stuff,

(01:34:50):
and it's like, it's incredible the rage that they feel.
But that's what you're dealing with, rage filled beings. And
yet there's people out there that think they're going to
summon them to you their bidding. They hate you with
every fiber of their existence. They want to destroy you,
and they'll trick you into believing that they're going to
do you some favors, and they may do you a
favor too, you know, but then the bill's going to

(01:35:11):
come to why would you want to interact with something
that exists beyond time and space, that has centuries, you know,
millennia eons of accumulated wisdom and intelligence and experience. You know,
it's just mind boggling to me. And then people thinking
they're going to use some kind of sigils, you know,

(01:35:33):
they're going to come and figure it out. And it's
the Yeah, it's the people that want to summon them
and making blood packs with them too. That's when I
a woman come up and talk to me too. I've
made a blood pact with a demon because I couldn't
feel God, so I wanted to feel satan like. And
what happens when this being turns on you and saying,
oh you can't cause I put it in the writing

(01:35:53):
that the small print. Yeah, yeah, and you know what,
So then guess who has to come to their rescue
the clergy yea. So this is a perfect segue I
felt in twenty twenty three, I wanted to bring together
real exorcists and deliverance ministers under one roof and put

(01:36:19):
on an amazing seminar to show people through their perspective,
their own first hand accounts of their own lives and experiences,
the worst cases they've experienced, how these forces weave their
way into our lives. They're very sneaky, right, They're very subtle.
What they have to do about it? Real EVPs from

(01:36:40):
possession and oppression and exorcism cases and deliverance situations. An
angelic choir that Bishop Long had he got from a
chapel in Israel. A friend of his, he got a
recording from a chapel in Israel which is real angelic
voices singing. After the human choir stopped singing, the lady

(01:37:01):
left the tape recorder on in this chapel and it
is ethereal. It is incredible, incredible, and it's all real.
So I put together this event called Defeating the Demonic
in twenty twenty three. I flew everybody piled. I flew
Archbishop Ronald file En right out from California. He's an archbishop.
He runs the Sacred Order of Saint Michael, the archangel

(01:37:24):
Order of Exorcists for forty five years. This man has
been in the front lines. Archbishop James Cloud is a
mental health professional and exorcist, and he actually works under
en Wright's organization. Bishop James Long one of my closest
friends and supporters exorcists. He's the first first Catholic priest
to come to the aid of the general paranormal community.

(01:37:47):
And Reverend Bill Bean good friend of mine. The man
is a powerhouse as a deliverance minister, and I brought
everybody together is a four hour event. It was a
packed audience and I just made the DVDs available, the
ninety minute highlights, which are the most important potent parts

(01:38:07):
of that four hour seminar, and I just made those
DVDs available. I just got them in And if you
want to put up that link for me, my main
website is dark Siege dot com www dot d A
R K, S I, E g E dot com and
then Slash Defeating Hyphen The hyphen Demonic will take you

(01:38:29):
to the page that I have this DVD available at.
But I have samples. There's a sizzle reel. I don't
know if we can play.

Speaker 10 (01:38:35):
That or yes, sir, I've got it cued and good
to go. Good, let me run it and then we'll
be right at that.

Speaker 11 (01:38:43):
So this is where it gets pretty frightening.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Hey, come on, demon, I dare you to do something.

Speaker 11 (01:38:48):
You're not so tough, do something to me. Let me
give you a little piece of advice. The demon is
looking at you within five inches and saying, oh, I will.

Speaker 9 (01:38:57):
Stuff.

Speaker 16 (01:38:57):
I'm revealing to you things that you don't hear about.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
Demons are real.

Speaker 11 (01:39:02):
Come talk to me, show yourself before me. Give me
some answers. We are dealing with forces beyond our imagination.
People always tell me.

Speaker 12 (01:39:11):
I want you to prove that demons exist.

Speaker 11 (01:39:15):
Withering on the floor like a serpent.

Speaker 12 (01:39:19):
The entity was so angry that you could hear the ground.

Speaker 9 (01:39:22):
In the background.

Speaker 15 (01:39:23):
Oh.

Speaker 16 (01:39:24):
I've been using wager for fifteen twenty years and I've
never had a problem. It hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 10 (01:39:31):
Stay away from them.

Speaker 12 (01:39:33):
And in thirty six years, I was doing three exorcisms
a day.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Every time I see that demons, I stab it. They
are all around us right now. That was the most
terrifying experience I've ever had.

Speaker 12 (01:39:45):
In we're all in the battle of good versus evil.
We have to keep ourselves alert, keep our eyes open,
and make sure that you are connected with a higher power.

Speaker 11 (01:39:57):
I will not be your vis all right, great, Yeah,
So the DVD's available. It's fantastic. I encourage everybody to
share it with other people, have like viewing parties and
so forth, because it's so important. And the fascinating thing

(01:40:21):
is that we sent out. I contacted one hundred local
churches in the radius of Southbury, Connecticut, where this took place, say,
please share this information with your prisoners. Ask somebody to come,
you know, come and get this information. And how many
do you think, replied, do sick none, And Bill Bean says,

(01:40:41):
these places have become dens of iniquity. Most of them
don't even believe in the devil or believe in the
dark spirits and so forth. And like Archbishop Benwright in California,
he's training bishops now who don't have a ministry of
exorcism in their churches and so forth. He's got a
thousand exorcists jurisdiction all over the world and everywhere at

(01:41:03):
some point in the world that the major right of
exorcism has taking place and the solemn rites right. It's
phenomenal and this is nobody's done anything like it. I
did an event for thirteen hours last year in Bridgeport,
Connecticut at the Biju Theater. People were glued to their seats.

(01:41:25):
They didn't leave, you know, aside from the meal breaks
and so where like that. It was a thirteen hour
expos I brought in additional speakers, Bishop Joshua Sparks, Reverend
Dan Todd in the original cast from the first show,
but showing again example after example after example of how
these forces weave their into our lives and what they

(01:41:48):
have to do it. They stick their necks on the line,
you know, their financial wellbeing, their physical, mental, spiritual wellbeing,
to do battle with these demonic spirits that have found
ways to possess people and to just you know, oppress
their lives, invest their homes. And I'm a demonic profile
or I'm a demonologist. Scary title, but all it means

(01:42:10):
is that I can identify, based on the activity taking
place and what I witness and sense and feel, whether
something's an earth bound in human spirit or something more nefarious.
And then I'll refer it right to the clergy. Because
I'm not an exorcist, I'm an EmPATH, and which means
I pick up emotions very easily, and these things definitely
prey on your emotions. And exorcisms are mind blowing experiences

(01:42:34):
if you haven't. One of the most terrifying things you
can ever experience. A genuine possession, perfect possession, which means
there's no relief. You know, the body can only sink
can take so much trauma is incredible. And the DVDs available,
my books are available. The graphic novel for Dark Seach Infestation,

(01:42:56):
which is the first third of the book, will be out.
I would Sayember September absolutely gorgeous full color, beautiful graphic
novel version. The audiobooks available on audible dot com. If
you have a free credit or an Audible credit, you
can just pick it up there. An Audible Dark Siege
at Connecticut Family's Nightmare. And the goal is with every

(01:43:17):
STVD cell that I make, I'm funding the actual next
physical DVD. I'm sorry, physical defeating the Demonic event. We
want to take it on the road because it's so
important and it's so powerful. We'd love to be able
to go to multiple cities and do it, but it's expensive.
And I do all these regular conventions of all year,

(01:43:39):
selling my books and reaching out to people and so forth.
But every show reach more people, sell more books, and
it just expands the brand and expands the awareness. And
the goal is help people you know who've made the
wrong choices and open the wrong doorways and help you
get them help if I can help them myself.

Speaker 10 (01:44:01):
The Exorcism of Analise Michelle, what's that?

Speaker 11 (01:44:04):
A perfect that was perfect possession? And like as Bishop
Long says in the seminar quoting him, the demonic does
not want the substance of life to enter the body,
so be that food or beverage, and they refuse medical treatment.
And she was sixty eight pounds when she died. The
interesting thing is Bishop Long actually has the actual recordings

(01:44:29):
from that exorcism of Analise Michelle from that you got
from the Vatican. It's not the same you know stuff
that you see online. This is the genuine McCoy. That's file. No,
I have the actual file, the actual audio clip that
he presented from his tablet. He presented several different edp sessions, scary,

(01:44:52):
terrifying just to hear this stuff. One had like fourteen
pitches or no, even more thirty two pitches. There's a
Tibetan monk that could do too. Yeah, and he trained
his whole life to do it. And this was like
thirty two pitches or it's outrageous. You know, like you
have alto soprano, you know, base and tenor, and this

(01:45:13):
was thirty two.

Speaker 10 (01:45:14):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (01:45:14):
With this one, demonic spirit was was speaking frequency and vibration. Right,
how is this possible? It's not possible for a human,
but for them it's probably you know easy.

Speaker 10 (01:45:27):
I wish I had known you had those files. I
could have put them. Well, I still can put them
with your show archive on my website if anyone wanted
to go and listen to if you are.

Speaker 11 (01:45:37):
To grab the DVD, anybody who wants to out of
this access, just grab it. It's twenty five bucks. Okay,
you spend that for it, you know, for it's a
ninety minutes, but it'll blow you away. There's nothing like
it anywhere.

Speaker 10 (01:45:49):
You spend more night McDonald's for a big month.

Speaker 11 (01:45:51):
Yeah, I'll drop it in the mail the next morning
and it's it's right there. You get it through my
through my Paidpal account. But it's it's phenomenal, you know.
And I didn't make it outrageously priced or anything. So
it's I'm just trying to get the info into people's
homes so they can see these incredible men. These men
I gathered together are incredible superheroes. Yes, and you know,

(01:46:16):
I'm not an exorcist, like Ed Warren says. I'm not
an exorcist. I would never want anybody to think that
I was, he said himself. And you know, but he'll
help my specialty. It's called suff immigation or sufimigation, which
is he would Ed trained as in what he had
a lack of in regard to the investigators. So he

(01:46:38):
needed help and having somebody that was competent to this suffimigation,
which is it's a Catholic ritual blessing of a house
or a location using a high church incense frank and
sense and Mr Charcoal discs to burn and make this
incredible high frequency right and vibration smokes, blessed white candles,
three sets of three prayers in every room, right until

(01:47:01):
every room is done, in the whole house and the
all locations flooded with the smoke. The intention of humigating,
and so it's called self humigate, fumigate against negative energies
and force it to leave because these are extra low
vibrational beings. They can't stand high vibrational smokes energies. That's
why you sage, same thing as saging, right, But this

(01:47:22):
is a ritualistic ritual including prayer, which is provocation. Provocation
is oh, I dare you to do something demon? You're
not so tough, you know, like Bishop Lung was saying,
And this is a real that's not provocation. That's invitation.
Provocation is when you start to pray, you know, when
you're using religious means to invoke the protection of Christ, archangels, God.

(01:47:48):
They hate that they go berserk and they can lash
out and start attacking people. And fortunately for myself, I've
never been physically attacked. The only experience I had, which
I relay in the Starkkage case is when I went
up into the during the suffumigation. I felt like this
wet cloth and this damp, lukewarm wet cloth is smeared

(01:48:08):
all over my face and I backed down. But I
had never been bitten or attacked or scratched things. But
I'll give you a case. I went on with the
other investigators working with the warrants to the case, and
it was reported that intense activity would take place in
the bathrooms and I had to go to the bathroom,

(01:48:30):
and I said, well, I don't want to go in
the bathroom where there's intense activity. I'll go walk down
the street to the local Dugt Donuts. And I did,
but I didn't bother to tell anybody that I left,
and here I'm gone, and they all thought I got
teleported somewhere, because apparently it's a real thing and you
can be People have been teleported, pets have been teleported,
physical objects have been teleported. So again, quantum physics has

(01:48:53):
basically proven that nothing is really solid. Everything is frequency
and vibration, So you're affecting the frequency or the electromice
that a state of something, and breaking apart more likely,
and then re establishing it. There's a phenomena called an
at port, which is something that has never existed, which
is brought into this reality and forms in a physical way,

(01:49:16):
but it only lasts a specific amount of time, and
then it destructures itself or it demateializes and disappears forever,
never to return. That's different than something being teleported. Something
that already exists and has existed, is broken down and
moved somewhere else and exists there in that space. That's

(01:49:39):
the two different phenomena there, which is really cool. So
maybe hopefully a lot of things I've talked about tonight
people haven't heard of before, and it would help them
understand these things a little bit better. But it's so interesting, Yes.

Speaker 10 (01:49:54):
Sir, I'm sure my guests appreciate it. I've got one
that after I've played that video, they're kind of nerve.

Speaker 11 (01:50:01):
Oh well, they'll be nervous, you know. Thank you Ark
Angel Michael for being here now, for protecting me, for
keeping any spirits out of my life. Forever in Jesus name,
I mean all you have to do. It's all you
have to do.

Speaker 10 (01:50:13):
I guess one last question, you have any other upcoming
projects and what can readers expect from you from the future.

Speaker 11 (01:50:21):
Okay, I have Dark Siege, a Connecticut family's nightmare, Dark
Siege two, the Nightmare Returns. They're both available that have
been available since twenty twelve twenty fourteen. The graphic novel
is going to be coming out in the fall for
Dark Siege Investation, which is going to be a gorgeous
about one hundred and seventy five page book, eight and
a half by eleven gorgeous artwork for people who want

(01:50:43):
to see things you know, see the case involved unravel
instead of reading it. The audiobooks available. The screenplay is
finished for the first third of the book, followed by
a Dark Siege and Oppression and a Dark Siege Possession.
I have a Raging Rathtroom which I've been working on,
which I just have to finish and bring out there.
And that's the case I investigated for the Warrens as

(01:51:04):
their lead investigator for the first time in a case
in Idaho while I was in college in Washington State.
Because I was geographically closer and they trusted me. And
then I have the Demon of Daybreak Dark Siege. That
Dark Siege is my brand for all my paranormal books.
My most interesting case is so Dark Siege the Demon
of Daybreak Farm, which is the case in Vermont that

(01:51:26):
I investigated that completely changed my life. That was the
first major case that investigated with the Warrens, who again
only got involved in very serious cases of demonic stuff,
demonic spirits. And that is it for right now. I'm
doing convention after convention, So I'm my books and that's

(01:51:47):
about it.

Speaker 10 (01:51:49):
Well, I appreciate you greatly being on the show with us.
Thank you me being as new as I am, So
I'm not really trying to put a name out there.
I'm just trying to bring all this information out so
that people can, you know, learn about it, right that's
the biggest thing.

Speaker 11 (01:52:05):
My email if people want to email me, is Dark
Siege Studios at Proton dot me and that's how you
can reach me. There. My socials, I'm on Instagram and
all that stuff. Facebook, Dark Siege on Facebook and you
can find all my socials in there. I'm all over YouTube.
Dark Siege Studios Dark Siege at Jason McLeod m c

(01:52:30):
l e O D zero zero seven. I'm trying to
migrate everything over to Dark Sage Studios because so I'm
trying to basically just have everything under one title instead
of many. But defeating the Demonic is of my one
of my Facebook pages and so forth. I'm posting all
kinds of stuff. I post really fun video compilations from
all the events that I do, featuring, you know, some

(01:52:51):
of the great costumes that I that people come up
to my table with, and it's fun. You know, people
really go all out and it's a lot of fun
because a lot of people don't go to these shows
and they're missing outside. I provide these really great videos
for people to see and I have a good time
doing it. So my next big show is Connecticut Para
Con in right here in Connecticut, and then I have
Fan Expo Boston, Fan Expo, Chicago, Galaxy Con, Connecticut Horror Fests.

(01:53:18):
I'm actually a sponsor for that this year, and which
is really good. That's a really big, fun show. They're
all really cool. I try to do the biggest shows
possible just because there's guaranteed to be tens of thousands
of patrons, customers, and then it's up to me to
basically talk to people and convince them to buy my books,

(01:53:39):
which they do. So it's really good. So if you
want a phenomenal read, you will not be able to
put down. Trust me. I've almost a four point four
rating on Amazon with over four hundred and fifty reviews.
But the paperbacks are available. I autograph them, I sign
them and personalize them and drop them in the mail.
You can also get the Kindled dish via Amazon. Our
Journey Home Hampok for the Transition is my third book,

(01:54:02):
and that's the large print, color illustrated guide for everybody
at hospice, all their caregivers to help them understand my
understanding about what happens when we vacate the body, and
it's based on my experiences working with these are earthbound
human spirits, the near death experienced studies, and my general
knowledge about the subject matter. And Renegative Light is a
sci fi metaphysical rollercoaster ride really about the hidden forces

(01:54:25):
operating beyond human perception that are controlling these dark forces
on Earth. And it's really cool. Renegative Light and they
have two more books coming out, and I'm just going
to keep on trucking. So I really appreciate being on
your show, and I thank everybody for tuning in. And
I'd really love it if you grab my books or

(01:54:46):
the DVD especially so I can help bring more Defeating
the Demotic events to different cities featuring these phenomenal, phenomenal
exorcist and deliverance ministers who are just really incredible people.

Speaker 10 (01:55:00):
Thing coming up in Memphis, Tennesee. You're a little rock Arkansas.

Speaker 11 (01:55:03):
I just did oh that that was in Arkansas. Checked
my thing here on the second. I'll give you the
rest of my schedule here on second. So I've got
Connecticut par Con July twelfth, thirteenth, the Gothic Market in Dayton, Ohio,
July nineteenth and twentieth, Monsta Expo in New Hampshire, July

(01:55:25):
twenty sixth and twenty seventh. Fan Expo Boston, August eighth
to the tenth Fan Expo Chicago, August fifteenth to the seventeenth.
Fright Read's Book Festival Maryland, Baltimore, September thirteenth, fourteenth, Connecticut
horror Fest September twentieth, twenty first Haunted Market, August of Maine,

(01:55:46):
September twenty second, twenty seventh, Darkseided Oddity's Expo October eighteenth,
New Jersey, Galaxy Con Saint Louis October tenth and twelfth
to the twelfth, Nightmare Weekend Richmond, Virginia, October seventeenth, the
nineteenth Halloween inc Expo Ashland, Kentucky, October twenty fourth to

(01:56:08):
the twenty fifth, Rhode Island Comic Con November seventh to
the ninth, Monster Mania Oaks, Pennsylvania November twenty first, the
twenty third, and Galaxy Con Columbus, Ohio, December fifth through
the seventh. And that's all I have so far. But Tennessee,
I used to do Creepycon in Knoxville. I'm not doing

(01:56:28):
it this year because I'm doing another show. But keep
tabs on my Dark Siege dot com page because I
have a video about all the events that I do
through the year, and I'll be adding the twenty twenty
sixth next, you know, at probably in December. I have
several shows booked, including Oklahoma City and Philly so far,

(01:56:51):
but if this movie thing happens or the streaming thing happens,
then it's going to be you know, stratosphere, which is
going to be really great and I just reach so many
more people. But we'll take it as it comes.

Speaker 10 (01:57:05):
Well, I'll keep my eyes open and if it comes
to be maybe having you back on the.

Speaker 11 (01:57:09):
Show, thank you. Yeah, I'll let you know if your
contact information whenever I'm going to be in the Arkansas area.
I haven't really seen any shows in Arkansas, and maybe
we can try to arrange one somehow. But I do lectures.
Anybody who's interested in hiring me to do lectures. I
have four different lectures working with the Warrens, the science
and spirituality behind the Paranormal Dark Siege Unveiled and Defeated

(01:57:34):
the Demonic. So I do these it like conventions, major
paranormal conventions and libraries and lecture halls and things like that.
But you find all that stuff on my YouTube pages
and my social media. All right.

Speaker 10 (01:57:47):
I'll remind my audience if any of the links you
mentioned that it gets a jot down so they can
go to the NWDN dot net at night Watchdigital Network
dot net and it's all listed there.

Speaker 11 (01:58:00):
Thank you, sir, Thank you have a wonderful Ye good nice.

Speaker 6 (01:58:19):
Died in the.

Speaker 9 (01:58:20):
Bed the clock.

Speaker 17 (01:58:24):
Think of you for them, circus, confusion, news, nothing news.

Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
Lunch back, long night, almost.

Speaker 17 (01:58:38):
Love, supercas, smory, time out.

Speaker 1 (01:58:46):
Sometimes you're picture me.

Speaker 7 (01:58:49):
I'm walking too far ahead, your calling to me?

Speaker 6 (01:58:57):
I can't you wad you?

Speaker 14 (01:59:10):
For decades, eerie tails have circulated among the old Charleston
Somerville Railway in South Carolina. Legend has that a grieving
wife searching for her decapitated husband haunts the tracks with
a lantern, forever wandering and conjuring small glowing lights in
various colors. Witnesses even report cars, shaking, doors, slamming, and

(01:59:34):
ghostly whispers. Seismologist doctor Susan Huff of the USGS, who
has been studying seismic activity from the historic eighteen eighty
six Charleston earthquake, revisited these ghost stories. She dug into
mid twentieth century accounts and cross referenced them with minor
seismic tremors, some registering magnitudes between three point five and

(01:59:58):
four point four in nineteen fifty nine to nineteen sixty
right near the ghost light sightings. Huff suggests that these
orbs may actually be earthquake lights, a known but poorly
understood phenomenon. She posits that gas emissions like radon or
methane released due to slight fault movements might ionize or

(02:00:22):
ignite in the air. These gases, interacting with oxygen and
static electricity, perhaps sparked by old steel rails and straight
metal debris, could produce glowing blue, green, or white orbs.
Shaking cars and slamming doors may not be poultrygeist at all,
but tremors Huff notes that even shallow seismic events can

(02:00:46):
cause high frequency vibrations and low frequency rumbling enough to
mimic unexplained sounds or sensations. That's it for dark matter news.
Catch up with us on the Midnight Frequency Facebook page
form Memphis, Tennessee. I'm Joshua Stark.

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You was please Heaven.

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Got notion the fly across the shu.

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You have a living in the modern world.

Speaker 9 (02:02:09):
Talk is to guess.

Speaker 17 (02:02:17):
Sisters says to me, but I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:02:43):
Just talking to a satellite.

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Twenty thousand miles up the skyttish night, you were living in.

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The modern world.

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I had to do what's picked up a.

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Try to talk to someone.

Speaker 10 (02:03:06):
Welcome back to Midnight Frequency Radio. Wanted to le everyone
know that our next show will be Friday, July the eleventh.
We're taking off the weekend of the fourth and I'll
probably have a replay during that time period, but our
guests will be Whitley Streeber, and we'll be talking about
his latest book, The Fourth Mind. For anyone that knows

(02:03:27):
Whitley Streeber knows that he's had alien encounters and abductions,
and I'm sure that that will be a very interesting
show to make. So until July the eleventh, I look
forward for everyone being back and thank you for listening
to tonight's show.

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The day they.

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