Lyle Blackburn September 27th 2025

Topic: Bigfoot/Boggy Creek Monster and Texas Bigfoot

Lyle Blackburn is a native Texan known for his work as an author, musician, podcaster, and cryptid researcher. His early attraction to cryptid creatures and strange phenomena has resulted in a lifelong exploration of these subjects. Lyle has written several acclaimed books, including “The Beast of Boggy Creek” and “Texas Bigfoot,” which offer a balanced view of the topics while delivering gripping accounts of real-life mysteries. His research into The Legend of Boggy Creek reports in particular, has been instrumental in preserving the history of this notable Bigfoot case. Lyle is a frequent guest on radio programs such as Coast To Coast AM, and has contributed to the production of ten documentaries by the Small Town Monsters film company. Lyle has also appeared on numerous television shows, including Expedition X, The UnXplained, Monsters and Mysteries in America, Strange Evidence, and Finding Bigfoot. When Lyle isn’t writing books, researching cryptids, or creating episodes of his Monstro Bizarro podcast, he can be found speaking at various cryptozoology and paranormal conferences around the United States. Just look for the trademark black cowboy hat.
For more information, visit www.lyleblackburn.com

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:28):
From Leo sark Food Hills in Northeast Arkansas. I'm Parl
Richardson and this is Midnight Frequency Radio. Our guest this
evening is Lyle Blackbird. Mister Blackburn is a native Texan
known for his work as an author, musician, podcaster, encrypted researcher.
His early attraction to crypted creatures and strange phenomenon has
resulted in a lifelong exploration of these subjects. Lyle has

(00:51):
written several acclaimed books, including The Beast of Boggy Creek
and Texas Bigfoot, which offers a balanced view of the
topic while delivering gripping accounts of real life mysteries. His
research into the legend of Boggy Creek reports, in particular,
has been instrumental in preserving the history of the notable

(01:11):
Bigfoot case. Lyle is a frequent guest on radio programs
such as Coast to Coast a M and has contributed
to the production of ten documentaries by Small Town Monsters
Film Company. Lyle has also appeared on numerous television shows,
including Expedition X, The Unexplained Monsters and Mysteries in America,

(01:33):
Strange Evidence, and Finding Bigfoot. When Lyle isn't writing books,
researching cryptids, or creating episodes of the Mysterial Bizario podcast.
He can be found speaking at various cryptozoology and paranormal
conferences around the United States. Today, to mister Blackburn, and
welcome to Night Frequency Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
First question, how did you get involved with the Bigfoot research? Will?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
It's something that I was interested in as a subject
for as far back as I can remember. I always loved,
you know, movie monsters and spooky things. And sometime in
elementary school I got a book called Strange but True
by Daniel Cohen, and that's the first time I think
I had heard of stories of Bigfoot, the yetty lockneest monster,

(02:23):
that sort of thing, and that just really grabbed my
imagination because I thought, man, this is like something you
might see in real life, and you know, it was
mysterious and you know, unsolved and all that. And I
grew up hunting with my father. He was an avid

(02:44):
bow hunter, and I was. I was born in Fort Worth, Texas,
and we've always lived in Texas, and so I had
been in the woods, you know, quite a bit, and.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
It was.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
You know, I was familiar, you know with outdoors, but
Bigfoot stories were far away, you know, a Lockness Monster
was Scotland, you know, YETI was the Himalayas. Bigfoot was
specific Northwest, So I really didn't think I had anything
to fear in our woods. But then sometime when I
was a kid, we went to a drive in and

(03:20):
I saw the movie The Legend of Boggy Creek, and
that not only did I love the movie, it both
scared me and fascinated me. But at that point I
realized that I may not be as safe as I
thought because the movie dramatized sightings of a sasquatch like
creature in southern Arkansas, which was about three hours from

(03:41):
where we lived. So at that point, you know, I
kind of just cemented that love for cryptids and monsters
in the woods sort of a thing. And just fast
forward many years. I've been a musician and a writer
all my life, and at some point I was really

(04:03):
wanting to write a book, and I thought, well, what
is my favorite subject? What would I really want to
write about? And I thought Legend of Boggie Creek because
it was built as a true story, and I thought,
you know, what are the facts behind that? And and
you know, I want to I want to discover that,
at least for myself. I didn't know where the book

(04:24):
might lead, but that's where I started doing, you know,
research from not only interviewing witnesses, but just going up
into that area, going into what's known as the Sulfur
River bottoms where people had seen this alleged creature over
the years. And from there it just sort of, you know,
blossomed out into researching other areas, other cases, other types

(04:49):
of cryptids.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
As your background in music influenced your approach to investigating cryptids.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Oh not really. I mean it's almost sort of two
separate things. The only advantage I think I had in
having been in a band and where you have, I guess, experience,
you know, with the public and performing and things. Once

(05:20):
I began to be asked to speak at conferences because
unbeknownst to me, there were so many people who loved
the legend of Boggy Creek. You know, I just kind
of lived in a bubble. I didn't realize that there
was so many fans. And then I was asked, you know,
I was asked to be on television shows and up
here at conferences to speak about the subjects. So, you know,

(05:43):
having performed in a band and sort of I that
gave me a leg up on being a public speaker
because that was not anything I'd had experience in. So
that really helped me. But in no way, you know,
I say, I think I'm more influen And it's especially
in terms of field research by being a hunter, by

(06:06):
being raised by my father who you know, had me
out in the woods, and I had a lot of
experience and in places that most kids may not have
the opportunity if if their dad wasn't a hunter. So
that that was my main you know, jump starting into

(06:27):
the skill set of being a field researcher.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
We recently lost doctor medgro Do you ever have the
opportunity to go out on any of his expeditions? Uh?

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I knew Jeff very well. We had done numerous conferences
together over the years and become you know, friends and
I dare say colleagues. He was, I mean, he's a
pH d doctor with so much knowledge and experience. We
went out a few times on some they were more

(07:04):
organized bigfoot event things, but we never did any field
research together per se where we actually uh you know,
went out to do anything. So a lot of his
stuff that he did early on was kind of in
the northern parts of the country, where a lot of
my research has been in the southern part.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yes, sir, What do you think sets your research apart
from other bigfoot investigators?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Well, you know, I can only you know, comment in
terms of the feedback I've gotten from people, as far
as the way I research cases and document that in
books and or you know, in the process of doing

(07:54):
documentaries with small town monsters. You know, I think that
people appreciate my balanced view of it. I'm I'm really
not out to you know, convince people to believe in
it or not sell sell them on that. I just
simply research the sightings, the cases and offer up the

(08:16):
facts on it and let people make up their own mind,
you know. And as far as the way I look
at you know, I never was out to necessarily prove
it other than it would be great too, you know,
to have the experience or to see a cryptid myself.

(08:39):
You know, it wasn't necessarily I'm going to prove bigfoot
to the world. It was just something I was curious
about and wanted to experience for myself. So I just
sort of offer that balanced view. I'm I'm you know, grounded,
and I try to be skeptical. Not everything is bigfoot,

(08:59):
not every thing is cryptied. You know, if I can
rule out everything else though, and there's no reasonable explanation,
then of course that that those are those moments when
you say, okay, now here's something that just can't cannot
be explained and that's worth pursuing.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Is there one compelling piece of evidence that you've encountered
during your bigfoot investigations.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Over the years. You know, I've seen, I've seen some
evidence and primarily I would say in the form of
footprint evidence of bigfoot, you know, these as as it goes.
I mean, obviously that's something that we have a possible

(09:46):
physical representation, you know, the thing stepped here. Here is
the footprint I've seen, you know, just a huge range
of footprints and shapes and sizes and everything else, of
some that you can't really say for sure. And you know,
some I've seen in the ground that I wasn't one

(10:09):
hundred percent sure they looked like it. But I have seen,
you know a handful of bigfoot foot impressions that to
me rang true. They looked realistic, the story behind them
or how they were taken was intriguing. Two of the

(10:33):
best ones, I think the Gray's Harbor track from Washington
from nineteen eighty two that was taken by a deputy sheriff,
and if you look into that story, it's quite credible
as to how he found these prints or was shown

(10:56):
these prints and the print itself. I think there's about
a eleven different ones that he is offered and those
look really great. And also there was a huge track
from Elkins Creek, Georgia that was taken in the nineties,
also by a deputy law enforcement officer, and that one

(11:19):
is quite compelling given the story, given the you know
that it was a law enforcement person that found it,
that sort of thing. Those are those nuggets where you say, okay,
you know this, this is the real deal. This, this
is evidence that these creatures are out there and that

(11:40):
it has stepped here and here is in you know,
representation of that. So yeah, there's good stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
When you're overlooking some investigations. Is there in particular process
you used to determine how credibly incredible it is? Well?

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, I mean, you know, just just from the start,
if it's something where I'm interviewing a person, I you know,
start with trying to at least speak to them on
the phone, get a sense of them, of their story,
and where possible, of course, if I can meet with

(12:21):
that person, meet with them in person, if I can
be taken to the place where they said this event occurred,
that that's always helpful and determining you know, whether not
only is the person credible, but what could they have

(12:42):
seen if it wasn't you know, a bigfoot or something.
So you know, I start with those those processes, and
then of course if it's an area I have access to,
then then it's possible I could go and you know,
camp there, look around myself and you know, see if

(13:03):
I see something or find something to corroborate what they've
told me. A lot of times when I go to
an area to research a case or to follow up
on a sighting, you might run into other people just
inadvertently that will add to the story. And that happens
quite a bit. If you just people tend to ask

(13:27):
what are you doing, or maybe they recognize me, and
that leads to conversations that it's just a crazy process
of where you end up finding people whom may not
even know the witness. You're first interviewing that you know,
maybe they had an experience or they say, well, my
cousin saw something. You might want to talk to him.

(13:49):
So those are ways to you know, at least do
your best to try to determine that it, you know,
if this person saw a cryptid. And you know, I
just have a sense of when I interview people that

(14:09):
you get a good sense of their credibility I think,
or just their experience maybe in the woods, or how
much they have been exposed to situations like they were
when they saw this creature. So you kind of put
all that together. And while I'm not a trained law

(14:31):
enforcement officer, over the years, when you do this for
fifteen plus years, you do kind of get that intuition
of you know, what rings true and what doesn't.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yes, that sounds like something you'd hear in Arkansas and
my brother was out in the deer woods, and you see, Well.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
You know what I do a lot of I do
a lot of research in Arkansas, and that is exactly
a lot of times what I've heard.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, what do you believe that Bigfoot may be like
a surviving humanoid or undiscovered prime aid or something completely different.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Well, you know, I mean I think when I first
started on this journey, like you know, like many people,
you kind of just assume, Okay, this is some sort
of undiscovered ape. You know, it's a it's a something
that you know, it's it's not it's not an extraterrestrial

(15:42):
it's it doesn't jump through portals. This is just simply
a creature that lives in the woods, probably some species
of ape that has developed the ability to walk upright.
And then, you know, the more you learn about this,
especially about anthropology, and you know, the development of hominids

(16:10):
over the years and over you know, thousands and millions
of years, you realize it is a possibility that it
is closer to us than possibly to apes. You know,
there was a lot of hominids Homo erectus, Homo florenziensis,
and all sort of branches from our own bushy tree
that sort of either when extinct or you know, presumably,

(16:35):
So you start to open up to the possibilities that
it's not simply an ape, it's not necessarily gigantopithecus. You know,
it could be a number of other related life forms.
Then of course you run into the problem of after

(16:58):
you know, bigfoot research has been around since really the
late nineteen fifties, essentially when guys like Ivan T. Sanderson
and John Green were first doing things, and then you
had Roger Patterson. So it's been a long time. You know,
what is that seventy years of research and we don't

(17:21):
have absolute, solid proof that the creatures exist. I know
people will say I've got proof or this is proof,
but I mean I'm talking about you know, recording this scientifically,
it's not been recognized as a species. So when it
goes that long, you start to get all kinds of
wild theories. You know, well, maybe it's you know, maybe

(17:44):
it is an extraterrestrial and I know a lot of
people have thrown that out over the years, and then
you know, you have its interdimensional or it's jumps through
portals and you have all those sort of things, and ultimately,
you know, I can't really say they're not. I don't
really have any one certain answer. All I can circle

(18:06):
back to is the fact that people have reported seeing
creatures like Bigfoot, and there is a number of credible
sightings where the person saw it up close enough they
could rule out everything else to say, well, they did
see something and something that we cannot currently define or explain,

(18:29):
and so to me, there's something out there, but to
speculate too specifically as to what it is, I just
simply don't have those answers. So I keep an open mind,
and I understand why everybody's got an opinion and a
theory as to what they are. But to me, ultimately,

(18:49):
it's it doesn't matter until somebody either has proof or
you prove it to yourself simply by having a sighting
or whatever, and you simply say, Okay, I've seen it.
I know it's there, and maybe we'll maybe the world
will never be able to confirm that. But it's each
individual has their own goals in this, but at the

(19:13):
end of the day, there is a mystery out there
and it's worth pursuing.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yes, there's a lot of skeptics out there on some
of the things I cover on this show, and it
sometimes it's flustrating.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, well, skeptics are no fun and they you know,
people tell me, oh, well, there's nowhere these creatures could hide.
I'm like, okay, my friend, let me drop you off
and in the middle of the Sulfur River bottoms in
southern Arkansas, and you tell me that nothing can hide
in there because you know, ten yards away it's so

(19:50):
thick you can't you can't see, and if you don't
have a GPS or a compass, you want to have
a hard time find in your way out. So a
lot of I think skeptics just don't either have the
open mind or they don't have the perspective. You know,

(20:11):
if you live in a city all your life, you
don't know the woods. You don't know that there are
still wild places out there in North America and beyond
that could host something. If that's something was cognizant of
trying to remain elusive. So we can never say it's impossible.
And I think we should keep an open mind because

(20:35):
even science is always rewriting what it knows. That's the
process of learning. We're always learning more and more as
we go.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, I think a lot of people from the city
make mistakes too, And I think that can adventure into
the woods somewhere and they end up getting lost or
injured and can't get cell phone signals. And it's just
careful if you plan on doing something like that, plan.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Ahead, Oh for sure. I mean, I've got many years
of experience in the woods and you've always got to
expect that things can go wrong, and especially if you
get out in places where where it's much more remote,
you just have to be prepared.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, to Native American legends and folklore influence your understanding
of Bigfoot, well, I think that you know, those definitely
could possibly establish a history of these creatures, because to
presume that they are here now and being seen by Westerners,

(21:43):
if you will, certainly the you know, the people who
are indigenous to these lands originally would have and should
have had stories and though of course they in most
cases did not call the bigfoot, though there are other

(22:04):
words for similar creatures that they described as being hairy
men or hairy giants or forest people or lost giants,
they certainly have these stories, and over time they were
a little more forthcoming, I think is to saying yes,
we've known about them all along. So I think that

(22:27):
just helps to establish that there's a history of these
kind of sightings. And of course, when you talk about
Native American folklore and legends and stories, it's often difficult
to separate what they may feel as a spirit animal
or you know, something that's flesh and blood versus something

(22:51):
that's more spiritual because they kind of had a view
of the world that is not the same as ours,
especially thousands of years ago. You have to kind of
take that under consideration when they talk about some of
the creatures that they believed existed, as to whether they

(23:11):
these were these actually things they saw in the woods
or were these something more more like stories. But you know,
I've met a lot of Native American folks over the years,
and they have enlightened me to a lot of their
knowledge and what they believe these creatures are, and the

(23:32):
fact that they had been seen over a course of
many years in their families. So you take them at
that at their word, and I believe that, just like
anybody else, you know, they would on occasion see them.
Do you think bigfoot sightings have changed over time or

(23:54):
do they remained consistent throughout the history.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
I think for the most part, they've remained very much
the same. I mean, you have a sort of a
range of different types of encounters, whether it's something people see,
you know, running across the road or you know, or
it approaches their house. You know, they see it, you know,

(24:22):
at their home, or you know, they're hunting and they
see something, and I think you're constantly getting a mix
of those situations in which people see them. And as
somebody who's researched old sidings and new sidings, you know,
I see that they're pretty much the same, and I

(24:43):
find that they're consistent. You know, the descriptions are fairly
you know, and the in the ballpark of each other.
You know, you people, people want to tie together UFOs
and bigfoots. But I've interviewed hundreds and hundreds of people
and nobody says. Nobody has said I saw a UFO

(25:07):
land and I saw a bigfoot got off. It's typically
I was in a wooded area, I'm in a rural area,
and suddenly, you know, there was this huge, hulking, hairy
thing standing on two legs. And that remains consistent across
all of these sightings, no matter what year it is.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
I've heard on some of the reports the witnesses claimed
that they were contacted through telepathy by the bigfoots. Have
you run across any of that?

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yes, I mean, and I have interviewed a few people
that felt that was the case or told me that
they were communicating with these creatures. And again, I mean,
who's to say that they're not. I guess my.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
My.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
The biggest question on that is if they are, they
would need to be communicating in a language that we understand,
which would probably be English, and that's where I have
a hard time understanding how they would know our language.

(26:20):
But in a lesser, sort of a lesser sense, people
do say that they have an overwhelming sense of fear,
like they've had an encounter and they feel this strange
feeling or fear that I don't think requires a language.
You know, there can be infrasound or some other way

(26:42):
of these beings could communicate or put off these vibes,
if you will, that we respond to in ways of
like fear and nerves and other things that very well
could happen. But it's few and far between the people
that say they've communicated telepathically with these creatures. I don't

(27:07):
get very many of those reports, but certainly there is
a cross section and a number of those that have
been reported, And I just don't know truthfully what to
make of that, but I think it's definitely there's a
lot less of those than just simply people saw the creature.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, how do you approach the use of technology since
it's show cameras and audio recordings and your investigation.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well, I try to use some of that. I'm not
the most tech oriented guy. I kind of was a
bow hunter and I just go in the woods, you know.
I was always just sort of blending in and trying
to be quiet and respectful and go into the woods.
So and again I think it was it's not necessarily

(27:58):
me trying to cap you're all sorts of evidence. So
I try to balance that with taking things that I need.
I mean, obviously a camera, I got thermal devices that
allow me to see heat signatures in the dark. I've
got audio recording equipment, equipment, so pretty much the you know,

(28:22):
the basics that you would need to capture something interesting
on audio or video and to be able to give
you an advantage in the woods, which we need because
you know, animals, that's where they that's their domain, so
we're at a disadvantage. So if you have something like
a thermal you know, uh, thermal camera or something this,

(28:49):
this gives the advantages. So those are the things I take,
and and they've you know, I mean I've never gotten
a picture of one, though I've had some. I've had
one a few different sightings and one some better than others,
but it's it's a lot, it seems like. And when

(29:10):
you hear that, when you hear a really intriguing howl,
it seems that that's when you don't have your recorder on,
or you the batteries are dead or whatever. It's like
the curse of Bigfoot. But you know, I have recorded
some good stuff, and all that stuff just adds up to,
you know, again reinforcing to me that there is something

(29:33):
out there that can be seen.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
You have some Bigfoot audio recordings, the howls or screens.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, the best one I got was, Oh my gosh,
it's been about ten years ago, in which myself and
another a late friend of mine that used to do
research with me, we were in the Sulfur River bottoms
on Mercer by you in Arkansas, and we were paddling
a canoe up that Bayou channel and a literally around midnight,

(30:07):
and we heard what sounded like a sort of a
howling growl thing. It's a really strange howl. And you know,
when you're when you're canoeing up a swamp at night,
there's a lot of ambient noise. The bullfrogs are really loud.
You've got insects, crickets, you know, you're kind of bumping

(30:28):
the canoe with the paddle. So when we first heard it,
it was like, okay, stop and listen. You know, I
was like, what was that? And then it howled howled again,
and at this point I'm like, okay, that that is
not anything we're familiar with. It's not a coyote, it's
not uh, you know, the sound of a cougar. I mean,

(30:50):
we're animals make a wide variety of sounds, vocalizations. I mean,
from foxes to bears and panthers, you know, they're they
don't just make one sound, so you kind of have
to sit there and rule out what it's not. But
this was very unique and very much indicative of alleged
sasquatch vocalization. So by the time howl the third time,

(31:15):
now we're you know, turning on the audio recorder and
trying to get this, you know, as best we could
with the ambient noise, and eventually we it only howled
one more time, and then we made our way back
to our camp, which was on this sort of hill
because there's a lot of alligators right there and you

(31:36):
can't just camp on level ground. So we had no
sooner had we pulled that canoe out of the water
and walked up to where our tent was, we hear
this howl again, and this time it is down there
right across that Bayou channel, right about where we pulled
that canoe out. And so at that point, my buddy
Tom engages the recorder again, and I just grabbed a

(32:00):
flashlight and ran down that hill and I was trying
to see if I could just see it, and it
took off. I didn't, I didn't get eyes on it,
but it took off running and went about fifty yards
and howled again. So at that point he got a
pretty good audio recording.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
I wish said I had known. I'd asked you before
the show if you could have chewed it up and
played it. Yeah, but it's it's okay. I'm going to
have you back for sure, because there's other cryptid topics
I like to talk to you about. Do you think
DNA analysis and other scientific achievements could help prove the
existence of Bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah, certainly. I think those things have come a long way,
and and the layman's access to them as well. Because
while DNA's you know, tests have been around a long time.
It wasn't something where just hey, I think I got
some Bigfoot DNA. I mean you nobody was going to
test it for you, or they were going to charge

(33:03):
you a lot of money. But I think as these
technologies get better and more affordable, now we do have
the capability of testing something if we got something that
was really worth testing. And I think another recent development
that will be of a great advantage is e DNA,

(33:24):
where you could say, take a sample from a pond
and run that, run the array of DNA tests on that,
and it would tell you what kind of biological creatures
are in the pond, or have you know what biological

(33:45):
matter is there? And that that I think is an
easier way to prove something that is so elusive like Bigfoot,
where you you know, it's not leaving a lot of
hair and bodies and things to be tested, but it
would conceivably have to walk through the creek, it would

(34:06):
have to drink from a pond, it would have to
leave scat things like that. So I think there are
ways that we could use DNA technology and it's just
I think coming into play to where that would be
affordable enough and accessible enough that this might really anytime

(34:30):
in the future. The near future turned out to be
something where people could find DNA evidence of an unknown species.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
You mentioned the one that you recorded while ago. Do
you think he was following you along the creek bank
or the river bank as you were snowing up?

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Well, that was our thought. I mean once we heard it.
When we first heard it, I mean I would say
it was at least fifty yards away, so it you know,
it wasn't right up on the and this by you
is it's a very much a blackwater swamp, but there
is a BYU channel that runs up through the middle,

(35:10):
and that's what we were canoeing on. So it was
about fifty yards from this channel. And then once it
howled three times, and of course, you know when you
hear this, your excitement level goes up, the adrenaline, the
hair on the back of your neck stands up. We
were like, man, this sounds like this is the creature

(35:32):
that so many people have reported here over the years.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
This is it.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
We just heard it, so you're excited. And of course
when it didn't howl again, we kind of just you know,
we were talking and excited, and then eventually we made
our way back, and I think it could have very
well if it came within moved towards us, it could
have hurt us. And it could have very well followed

(35:58):
us down, flanking us on the bank. And then you know,
when we got out of the water or whatever it
for whatever reason it howled. And then when I ran
down that hill, it just took off running, I guess thankfully.
But I couldn't run after it because like I said,
there's that channel is just full of alligators, huge ones,

(36:19):
so I can't go across it without a boat. So
it whatever this thing was it, Yeah, I think it
followed us.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, it can get spooky too. I'd like to tell
the listeners that when my dad was still Aliab, we
used to go out and set out yo yo's that's
a spring loaded fishing device. And I went out one
night to run them, and about two foot from where

(36:51):
I had tied the yo yo to the tree limb,
a water mosk can had slithered up there and was
just sitting there was a fish on it. I managed
to get the fish off, and something caught my eye
corner of my eye, and it was the tongue slithering.
I guess he had crawled up there to try to

(37:12):
get to the fish or something. But needless to say,
I was about ready to leave the boat. That's another story.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Entirely, right. I mean, those are the hazards people ask
me if I'm a pray to big foot. I'm like,
you know, I've seen cotton mouths, you know, slithering around
a few feet away and come up on gators and
wild hogs and those those definitely worry me a lot more.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, there's lots of noises in the woods at night too.
I'm in a handle nothing myself up here, mostly in
boat in Arkansas, but we're out in the middle of
the woods, and you hear all kinds of things at.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Night, right, and you know, you just you know, I
think one thing, I've tried to educate myself on the
vocalizations of the known animals in these woods so that
I can rule out anything that I hear, because you
certainly hear a lot of strange sounds. Even birds make

(38:17):
some bizarre noises, and you know, when you hear that
out in the woods at night, you know, it can
be unsettling. And then you're trying to say, is that
what is that? So it's it's not as easy as
people think to kind of rule things out, especially in
the dark when you just simply can't see what's making
the sound as to what it is.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
You ever did any investigation up around the Rainy Break
Wildlife Management Area here in northeast Arkansas. It's about fifteen
minutes for me, and I've seen that there's been one
siding of a big foot at that management area.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I haven't been to that one specially. I guess the
closest may be, you know, I've been up in the
Washutaws up there Arkansas and Oklahoma area, which is north now.
I have interviewed a witness that had a siding up

(39:21):
in northwest Arkansas. It was a really good siding, and
I'm going to be going up there too to talk
to him in person next month and to go on
site where he had this sighting because it's a really
up close and personal, in your face siding, and he's

(39:42):
a very credible person. So it was I think it
was worth investigating. So I'll be going up going up
into north Arkansas soon, all.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Right, that would be close to Fayettevilla Rogers serious.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
In that area.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah, Yeah, we don't need to about the exact spot
with a watch, a bunch of people out there with
the flashlights.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, there's a lot of BIGFOIT investigators now, but yeah,
and I don't I'm quite certain he's probably not the
only one that's had a sighting up there. So hopefully
maybe by talking to some people I can kind of
find others in that area.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Do you collaborate much with other researchers organizations?

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, certainly. You know, I've got to know so many
people over the years that are you know, from just
field researchers, people who are just enthusiasts to guys that
like me that write books and investigate this more full time.
And we definitely collaborate, you know, and or compare notes.

(40:55):
You know, Hey, hey, you know, have you ever got
sighting from some certain area? You know, if I'm looking
into a specific area, I might ask, you know, one
of my colleagues that you know that I know gets
reports just to see if you could find others in
a certain area, And we do a lot of that,
or you know, when we get together, you know, either

(41:20):
to go researching. A lot of times when we speak
at conferences together, you know, it's a great opportunity to
sit there and just talk about different cases and sightings
and what have you heard and that sort of thing,
so we do a lot of collaboration.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
One of the listeners asked, what do you think what
happened if a big foot were officially discovered and how
could the species and its habitat been protected?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Well, I mean that's a good question because we we
sort of think think about, you know, this side of
the fence, like, okay, you know, let's we can prove
this and then everybody then people no longer think we're
crazier or whatever, you know. But then there's the other
side of the fence when we if we proved it,

(42:08):
what really would happen? And I think, you know, one
one positive result is I think if people would say, okay,
well these guys knew all along, and there is there
there is strange things in the world. Maybe we don't
really understand all the mysteries of the world because here
it is, here's bigfoot. You know, people dismiss it for

(42:30):
many years, but here it is proven. But at the
same time, yeah, you would have that problem of what
do we do to protect its habitat? And then you
run into all these basically economic entanglements, which is which
is a problem already with endangered species, and you know

(42:52):
logging companies and you know fracking companies and oil drilling
where environmentalists have to fight with these companies to kind
of keep them from destroying habitats already for known animals.
So Bigfoot would be times one hundred because it would

(43:13):
be so unique and obviously these creatures need a lot
of space, So I think it would create, you know,
a battle to try to preserve that habitat wherever it
was discovered at least, and to keep people from Oh
my gosh, you know, I think you would. You may
have a lot of people going in there with bad intentions,

(43:37):
you know, they want.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
To That's what pushed my mind. It's would Billy, Bob
and Boba be out there with the thirty sixes just
shooting somebody anything that moves, including humans? So that would
be my biggest.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Concern, right, yeah, because now you're talking about something that's
walking upright, it's humanoid shape that at least, And yeah,
I think you would have those people. I mean, you know,
you see occasionally big game hunters and people show some
trophy animal they shot. I'm like, why would you do that?
You know, why do you. I hunted a lot when

(44:12):
I was younger, but I kind of stopped hunting. I
just I love to observe animals. I mean, there's no
problem with deer hunting, turkey hunting. We have to manage
those populations, but shooting things just for no reason, and
unfortunately there's people like that. And I think if we
revealed this is the area where Bigfoot was seen, you

(44:34):
would have just every sort of reaction to that, and
possibly it would be detrimental, I think, to the species.
So in some ways, it's almost best if it remains
somewhat of a mystery or you know, hey, I know
people have seen them. You know, I saw something, and

(44:57):
I know there's something out there, but I would be
hesitant to ever really want to prove it because I
wouldn't want something to happen to these mysterious and rare creatures.
You know.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yeah, I'm like you. When I was younger, I used
to go deer hunting a lot with my dad. I
just kept in a back away for that. Where I
live now, I have fifteen to twenty that come up
in my backyard sometimes deer. I'd rather watch them out
the kitchen window than go out there. And shoot them right.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I'm the same way, you know. I'm I just I
have a love of the outdoors and wildlife, and I
think at some point, let's you know, if you needed
to harvest the meat and feed your family, great, but
if you don't need to, it's just it's just great
to see wildlife in their habitat, because well, their habitat

(45:58):
is shrinking, so we should definitely enjoy that.

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Speaker 1 (50:57):
Welcome back to midnight Fregrancy Radio and our guest Slyle Blackburn.
Mister Blackburn, are there any recent hair samples that have
been checked or anything that you are other researchers that
run across.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
I don't know of any recent samples. I mean I
have seen or come across them over the years or
followed various tests. I mean, I haven't been privy to
any recent finds though.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
What advice would you give anyone I wanted to start
research in Bigfoot? Any tips that you would kind of
give them?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Well, you know, just it's always good to kind of
research the area you're in to see what historically where
there's been sightings, and that would obviously help you to
zero in on areas where you might have a better chance.
And usually if you start digging around or looking, you

(51:57):
can find sightings in most reasonably wooded areas around the country,
you know, I mean not necessarily going to be as
easy as driving down to the nearest state park, although
you know there's big foot sidings in unexpected places. But
you know, just to start kind of you know, zeroing

(52:20):
out from your from your area and find where there's
been a number of sidings or a wildlife management area
or something like that where you can go, you know,
and of course depending on where you're going, and you
need to be prepared for you know, the inherent dangers
of those places. I mean, this is a pursuit where

(52:42):
you conceivably will be in the wood. So like we
talked about with water moccasins, and I mean there's rattlesnakes
and all wild hogs and all manner of things that
are dangerous. So you need to you know, know something
about about that. You need to take things that you need,

(53:03):
you know, compass, battery, GPS, phone, water, and you know,
an emergency survival kit or something if you're really going
out into into remote areas and you know, just generally,
I think is number one, just have fun with it.
It's not it's not a contest, it's not something that

(53:24):
is not a race. It's just something that will bring
you into nature and you may see something you may not,
but most, you know, most always when you go out
and go into nature, it's it's fun, it's relaxing, it
gets you out, so you're never gonna have a bad time.
And there is always the possibility that your weekend will

(53:45):
be quite successful if you hear something or see something,
and you just never really know. But but the only
way to have a possibility of seeing one of these
creatures is to be in an area where they're likely
to be or have historically been sighted, and put yourself
in that area, and that could result in your own sighting.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Brand in Chat had a couple of questions. The first one, so,
what are some of the signs of bigfoot activity in
the woods?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Well, I mean, obviously a footprint would be your would
be your best shining light on the situation that there
could be a creature there. You know, there's debate as
to whether things like tree structures where they've either bent

(54:37):
over saplings or they've piled branches in a certain way,
whether those are indicative of actual bigfoot doing that. I'm
not sure about that. I mean, there's there's a lot
of weather events that cause strange things to happen. But
then I've seen some things that just don't look natural.

(54:59):
So you if you run across some kind of a
structure or something like that, you know it could be,
you know, a sign of these creatures. And then of
course if you hear something, you know, obviously a strange
howl or something that might indicate the presence. But I

(55:21):
mean it's obviously a hard pursuit. It's not as easy
as like, hey, if we're going to go deer hunting,
you know, we can find deer tracks fairly easily. You know,
you can put out corn or bait and they will,
you know, come to it. Bigfoot research is much more
difficult because a lot of times you just simply aren't

(55:44):
going to know if they're there. The only thing you
can base it on is if somebody had a sighting recently,
or you know, there's an area where tons of people
have seen them, like, okay, well they're probably there. And
while you don't necessarily see a sign if you walk
into the woods, you're not seeing any you know, not
seeing lines of footprints. But if other people have sighted

(56:06):
them there, you've got a much better chance. So yeah,
it's definitely something where it's few and far between. I mean,
I've been out a lot, and I've only seen a
handful of footprints that I thought, Okay, those I believe
those to be left by a bigfoot, not a human,
you know.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah. They also ask are there any patterns in bigfoot
sightings data that correlate with specific ecological or geographical features
like water sources or migration routs.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yeah, there is absolutely a correlation between bigfoot sightings and
certain geological features. Number one, waterways. If you looked at
them plotted on a map, bigfoot sightings, almost all of
them are going to be in areas where there is
a creek or a river, or a swamp or some

(57:01):
other water source, and that usually corresponds to places that
are more heavily wooded, because where you have a higher
amount of annual rainfall, you're going to have these runoffs
like creeks and things, and you're also going to have
a lot of vegetation, and so of course most of

(57:21):
the sightings of bigfoot creatures are going to be in
areas where where you have woods, swamps, woods, mountainous areas.
Those are the places that correlate to sidings where you know, take.
You know, I wrote a book called Texas Bigfoot Take,
and I looked at the geography of Texas and most

(57:44):
people think, what do you you know, they don't think
about Texas having bigfoot sidings. But there are and have
been a long history of really you know, incredible sightings.
And but if you kind of plot those out across
the geography of Texas, where you have, you know, all

(58:05):
the way to the west in El Paso, you have
arid trans Paco desert like conditions, and that goes all
the way across the huge part of the state eventually
to the piney woods in the East Texas, which is
a you know, a pine hardwood habitat, and you see

(58:29):
that most of the bigfoot sidings are in that eastern
third of the state where you have the piney woods,
and that's where your water is, that's where your waterways.
When you get the more west you get, the less
sidings there are. Now, there has been a few strange
sidings in El Paso. There's been some up by Amarillo
and just totally unexpected places. But by and large you

(58:52):
will see that pattern that you know where you have
woods and where you have the most woods and where
you have the most water features. Definitely you will find
that there will be a history of bigfoot sightings in
that area.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
You've researched the skunk ape in Florida and of course
the Buggy Creek creature. Are there differences in the descriptions
of the feature? Are they basically very similar?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Well? I think, you know, in some ways they are
sort of ubiquitous. They're very similar. I mean, just on average.
You know, the they're upright, they're somewhere around seven feet tall,
they're you know, black, brown or some hair color in

(59:42):
that range, and they look you know, somewhere between you know,
hominoid and humanoid features, and you know, they're they're very consistent.
But I think in terms of localized culture, you know,
people will tell you that skunk apes are smaller, they're

(01:00:05):
more ape like, or they have some differences in stature.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
The color is pretty much the same, brownish or dark.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Hair typically, but you do get reports of ones that
are red in color, ones that are blondish, ones that
are even white or gray. But you'll see that in
various states. It's not specific. And with skunk apes, you know,
some there's a number of the sightings that describe them

(01:00:36):
as being more ape like or sometimes even moving on
all fours, maybe being shorter in stature, but it's not
consistent because you will get literally just straight up regular
bigfoot sightings reported in Florida as well. So I think
some of the differences are the nuances of each individual sighting.

(01:00:57):
I mean, and let me tell you, when you see
something or three or four seconds quickly in the woods,
you know, you're doing your best to sort of gather
what the features and details that you can see. They're
not These things are not posing for photos or standing
there waiting to be you know, inspected. It's just fleeting.

(01:01:22):
It's fast, it's at a distance, there's shadows, they're running
between the trees. It ran across the road. So I
think naturally witness interpretation of them will vary, but I
don't know that that means that they're all. You know,
each state has its own version, you know. I think
there could be several different variations in the species, but

(01:01:47):
it could all It could be environmentally based. I mean,
because a bigfoot scene in Washington State in the Pacific Northwest,
well that's a completely different climate and you know, ecological
environment as it is to being seen in the Everglades

(01:02:08):
of Florida. And so I think there's some adaptation to
where these ones down here in the South are a
little bit leaner, meaner. You know, they live in this
swampy terrains and things, so of course they would differ
in those regards. But it's hard to say really if
there's multiple species or how different they truly are. I think,

(01:02:33):
as you just start, if you've done like I have,
like documenting. I did a book Beyond Boggy Creek, and
it covers the whole Deep South in the history of
bigfoot sightings, and you would just see a very broad
variety of sightings from hair color to height and everything
else across all these different states. But there was no

(01:02:55):
real it just didn't seem consisting as to where we
could competent competently say that the ones in forward are
five feet and the ones in you know, over here seven.
It's just too hard to tell.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Another question from listener, if I can pronounce all of this,
what interdisciplinary collaborations between primatologists, ecologists, anthropologists, and citizen scientists
could accelerate bigfoot research?

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Well, I think if you could get that cooperation from
across those disciplines, it would I mean, it would help,
because you know, I think bringing in a people with
different disciplines and expertise would help. I'm zero in on

(01:03:47):
something that is extremely rare and extremely elusive, and so
you would need things like that. But what you typically
have is this research is by and large championed by
you know, amateur enthusiasts, citizen scientists at best that are

(01:04:08):
you know, believe in the possibility and trying to prove it.
But when you get people who have you know, higher
level of degrees and accreditations and things, a lot of
times those people don't want to risk their reputation chasing bigfoot,
you know, because it's still somewhat rowned upon. Or you know,

(01:04:31):
my my late friend, doctor Jeff Meldrum is a good
case where you know, he has a degree in biological
sciences and anthropology. It was an expert in foot morphology
and locomotion, and he brought a lot to the table
as far as bigfoot research because look, you know, here

(01:04:52):
we have something that walks up right on two legs
and also leaves footprints. Well, he you know, he had
to endure a lo lot of discrimination and prejudice in
his tenure trying to get a tenure as a professor
because his colleagues just you know, thought Bigfoot was crazy,

(01:05:16):
so you know, you risk your reputation. So I think
that's why a lot of times you don't have too
many of those kind of folks helping us out, though
there are some. Esteban Sarmiento is a primatologist. He's a
great asset. He's brought a lot of knowledge about primatology

(01:05:37):
to this subject. And Maria from Expedition Bigfoot. She is
a extremely smart woman with a background in primatology. She's
brought a lot to the table. So you do have
these individuals that contribute, and I think, yeah, it's a
good question. I think if we did have a better
collaboration with teams of science with multiple disciplines, it would

(01:06:04):
at least help the cause quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
You know, are they still having sightings around the Boggy
Creek or the what is it, the South Monster.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Absolutely, yeah, there's been sightings that have occurred all along.
And you know a lot of people kind of early
on that were fans of the legend of Boggie Creek
or had seen it. I mean a lot of that
was just sort of the thinking was, oh, that happened
all back in the seventies, and you know, that was it.

(01:06:35):
But once once all of that, you know, the media
kind of shied away and got tired of it and
wasn't covering it like they were back in those times.
It sort of went quiet and for a while there
was nowhere to even report that stuff. I mean, those
folks down there are not running to the newspaper or
anything like that. It was it was kind of quiet.

(01:06:57):
So when I started writing the book, I was some
surprised that there had been sightings you know in the
eighties and nineties and two thousands. I was like, wow,
this is this I'm not just writing a book about history.
This is something that's ongoing. So once I, you know,
of course wrote the book, and then I kind of

(01:07:19):
became a bit of a focal point for people to
bring stories. So then I continually got old ones, and
then I was getting new ones that happened in real time.
I mean, now I could investigator, you know, right after
the book came out, you know, there there was several sightings,
and now I could go up and interview these people

(01:07:41):
myself shortly thereafter it happened. And so but yeah, I
that were in the last two or three years, there's
been a string of pretty good sightings by one by
a hunter that was in a tree stand. There's a
resident up there in the area that had multiple things

(01:08:01):
happened on its property prior to that. There was a
newspaper carrier that had a really good sighting one morning
just north of falc And yeah, it's something that definitely
and you know, it should be said that in that
area in the Sulfur River bottoms, what you saw in

(01:08:23):
that old movie, a lot of that area remains the
same as it as it was then. Of course there's
been some development in there, but a lot of that
is protected, you know, hardwood habitat bottom lands. You can't
really do a lot with it. And it's some of

(01:08:45):
it has been preserved. So I think that lends itself
to whatever was in there can still be in there
because the area still remains the same.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Legend of Barie Creek was one of the first films
I saw that kind of interests me about it. Said,
was the film pretty straight up based or did Hollywood
kind of get their twist to it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Well, I mean Hollywood had zero to do with it. Basically.
The movie was directed by Charles B. Pearce, who was
a resident in Texarkana, and he had been involved in
various aspects of creative career prior to that. He played

(01:09:30):
a part called Mayor Chuckles on a TV show that
was out of shreport in Texarkana, and he was a
graphic designer and was dabbling and advertising and he just
wanted to make a film. And at the time, this
was nineteen seventy one, this is when the Fout monster

(01:09:51):
sightings were made public in the Texarkanadas a newspaper, and
he was following along like many people down there, of
these dramatic sightings that were happening down in this little
town of Fouc, and he thought, well, this would make
a great film. And at first he started out with
the intention of making a documentary and was originally titled

(01:10:13):
Tracking the Fouc Monster, But over the course of bringing
in the writer Earl Smith, it kind of morphed into
this sort of docudrama horror film that was based on
these true sightings. But it had a good story to it,
and it kind of climaxed in this in the story
of the Ford family, who this was a real thing

(01:10:37):
that happened, who had been you know, assaulted by this
creature at their rent home and Fouc, and so Pierce
just took he I mean he literally rented a camera
and figured out how to use it and brought in
all It was all locals that made it, and a

(01:10:58):
lot of the people in the film were real residence
in Fouc, and some of them were the actual people
who had reported encounter. So so once he had the
film in the can so to speak, he needed a
soundtrack and it needed to be edited. So he did
end up in Hollywood, so to speak, but he just

(01:11:22):
ended up at a production house run by Jimi Mendoza Nova,
who had worked on a lot of just sort of
B rated horror films. I mean, these were not big
productions and they were very it was independent cinema. So
they completed the movie with the soundtrack and got it

(01:11:44):
edited and so it was a complete independent production. And
then they started showing it, and the only way they
could show it was in Texas, Canada. They Pierce had
a rent a movie theater himself and do showings, which

(01:12:05):
meant he had to take the tickets and take the money.
He had to sell the popcorn. You just rent the theater,
you deal with it. Because he didn't have any distribution
or anything. He started playing it in Texarkana and premiered
it there and immediately lines around the block. I mean,
everybody knew what the Foux Monster was, and the movie

(01:12:26):
was so successful that they were just playing it one
showing after another people. And then they made another print
and started showing it down in Texas, Shreveport, Louisiana, same thing,
lines around the block. It wasn't until and that was
in that debut in August of seventy two. It wasn't

(01:12:48):
until nineteen seventy three that Hawko International, which was a
film distributor that distributed sort of these homegrown independent movies,
picked it up and started showing it around the country,
and of course it was a big hit everywhere else
as well. So what you see, and back to the

(01:13:12):
main question here, what you see in the movie is
pretty much what people reported. I mean, he films it
and tells it in a very engaging and exciting way,
but it is all based on the actual sightings and
he was trying to be very accurate. Some of the

(01:13:34):
scenes were shot in the same house where people had
literally looked out the window and seen the creature, and
so he was very accurate and of course, in my
research I was able to I knew some of the
people that were in the movie and some of their
siblings and sons or daughters. You know, it's been a

(01:13:57):
number of years, so I've met so many people that
were involved in the movie and had a part in it.
So I've verified as many facts and nuances as i
could with it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
That's good to know, because you know, movies like Communion,
that's Whitney Straeber his book Hollywood took some of that
intended went out the deep end.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Oh yeah, it's actual right in those cases where it
is a Hollywood production, where it's you know, you got
a lot of executives trying to put their input in there.
You know, yeah, you're going to get it's going to
be less than accurate. And of course his book was
so his book was very successful, so he was going

(01:14:46):
to have interest from a bigger, you know, Hollywood film production,
whereas Pierce just sort of made this happen so he
didn't have to answer to anybody, or is Whitley's situation
is the opposite? And yeah it does. I mean, look
at the movie The Mothman Prophecies based on the book

(01:15:11):
by John keel about The Mothman, I mean the movies.
It's a good movie, but it's very extremely loosely based.
I mean it barely even the Mothman is barely even
in it, if at all, it wasn't like they were
dramatizing the sightings that happened in well nineteen sixty six.

(01:15:33):
So yeah, but Legend of Boggie Creek is one of
those that it is far more a documentary than it
is a you know, a fictional movie. I guess yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
On some of these bigfit sightings, is it depending on
the amount of food in the area of what time
of the season, do they seem to kind of stay
with the food sources? If y'all have determined if there's
any particular food source they.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Choose, well, yes, I mean I think that food source
would play a part in the areas where these creatures
would be able to survive, so and again I can't
it pretty much correlates with that. Those areas of high
annual rainfall where there's a lot of forestry, usually you're

(01:16:23):
going to have a lot better variety of food source,
you know, And I think they would have to be
omnivorous and just be opportunistic and take what they could find,
because I mean just imagine, you know, if you're seven
foot tall and you know, roaming around every day, it's
a lot of calories you need. Just like a bear,

(01:16:45):
I mean, they spend most of their time looking for food.
You know. I think it would be a similar situation.
So they would need to remain in areas where food
is plentiful, and as far as down down here in
the south, there's so many wild hogs that if if
they do have a taste for hogs, they would have
no problem.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Yeah, because we've got bored around here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
So right, So I mean you take that up as
a cuisine, you're you're in the money because there's a
lot but you know, there's plenty of stuff with swamp
swamp areas, I mean, you just have so so many choices,
and I think they would have to stick with a
food source, just just like bears. You know, if bears

(01:17:28):
get hungry, if they will come down to lower altitudes
out of the mountains, you know, if in years when
food is leaner, they will move downward in an attempt
to find food. So I think bigfoot would be the same.
They would they would have to move if if say,
there was a drought, you know, they would have to

(01:17:49):
find some way to to overcome that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
One of the listeners wants to know, how can you
design a standard size protocol for collecting and analyzing is
still evidence like care footprints to ensure consistency and credibility
across global bigfoot research efforts.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Well, it could definitely be done if if there was
and I know that there have been some folks that
have tried to organize things like that and to standardize
it or to at least have a central area where
this could be submitted. The my my friend Shelley Covington, Montana.

(01:18:35):
She's a researcher out of Texas. She's done a lot
as far as creating this awareness of citizens scientist where
she tries to convey what the processes are if you
found evidence and you know her. She doesn't have a
lot of platforms other than like at Bigfoot conferences, she'll

(01:18:57):
speak on the subject and talk to people about it.
But the thing is it's such a loosely based community
that there's no real central way to control it because
it's just basically everybody's just doing their own thing, and

(01:19:17):
in many ways it's not it's hard to organize because
there's so many people doing it and people doing it
part time. I mean as opposed to if it was
you know, if people had a career in this or
something where they didn't have to worry about, you know,
finding time to do it or the resources. It could
definitely be more organized. But it's such a loose thing

(01:19:43):
of people that those are hard. But I know people
have worked on it, and to standardize it would certainly
make it more credible, you know, it would make it
more the possibility of preserving good eviden because a lot
of times what happens is may find some hair will

(01:20:04):
they just touch it, you know, and they don't collect
it in a scientific manner. So it could very well
be bigfoot hair, but it's probably going to come back
showing human DNA because it's been mishandled. So yeah, that
that is certainly a concern in this pursuit. But again,

(01:20:25):
since it's not something that is a you know, there's
no university funding this, there's no central agency that's behind it,
it's extremely hard to organize it, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Yeah. I would recommend too, if you're out doing research,
please carry a camera that has stabilization built into it,
and monopods are really cheap. Some out those cameras on
it's it's not as stable as tripod And of course
I know sometimes it's hard to set stuff up when

(01:21:01):
you're just catching something that's on the move and find
not it would help. Something like it's a three sixty
eight Pro two. I'm not sponsored by them, but I
do have one for the stabilization, and it also has
a zoom built into the camera, so it would help.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean yeah, because obviously we're familiar with
the blurry and shaky bigfoot photographs in films so far.
So yeah, the better the camera, the higher the resolution,
and having like a monopod to keep it stabilized, it

(01:21:44):
would be great, I mean, I guess. But in defense
of that, I mean, people don't realize it is extremely
hard to if you have a sighting, it's so brief,
you know, to be able to to you even pull
the camera up to take the picture is a challenge
in the first place. So it's something and again, you know,

(01:22:09):
you don't have wildlife photography, you know, is something that
people go and they wait and they wait and they
know where to go and eventually you know, they may
get a go you know, strike gold and get that
great shot of a you know, a sugar or whatever
they're trying to get, but you know, to get bigfoot

(01:22:33):
and to get it into focus and to get it
just right, yeah, just right right lighting. It's tricky. It's
more tricky. I imagine that people think.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
It's twenty five, last of the hour. I'm going to
play my second final break and then we can kind
of come back and finish.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
It sounds good.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
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study from Manchester Metropolitan University is asking, and it suggests
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The first, called traditional paranormal belief, includes ideas rooted in
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The second, called New Age philosophy, covers belief in psychic powers, precognition,

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Study doesn't prove that religious or witchcraft beliefs directly cause stress,
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even views on medicine and science. Researchers say understanding these
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Welcome back to Midnight Fragrancy Radio and our guests Elile, Blackbird, Elio.
Are you any involved in any new book projects or
Elise or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Yes, I'm working on a new book series actually that
I haven't really announced, but it's something that I've been
formulating for a while that that will encompass a wider
variety of cryptid encounters, as opposed to a lot of
my books have concentrated either on one area or a

(01:28:21):
case like Boggy Creek or a momo or lizardman. This
will this allows me to kind of incorporate a lot
of the strange reports that I've gotten over the years.
From various places, so I've been working on that. It'll
be a series actually, so I'm kind of developing that,

(01:28:42):
you know, multiple books in tandem so that they can
come out in a timely manner. So so yeah, definitely
always got something like that in work. I love to
write the books and you know, and to document these cases,
so it's always fun.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Well, I love to read the books, but unfortunately diabetes
has affected my eyesight, so a lot of times I'll
just listen to audio books. So I hope yours come
out also in that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Format, right, some of some of them have and then
some some are still lagging behind, but hopefully eventually. Of course,
I do my podcast it's called Monstro Bizarro, which it
kind of works in tandem with the books because while I,
while I don't some of the books don't have audiobook

(01:29:36):
to go with them, I do talk about all these
cases and a lot of the things that are in
my books I've talked about on the podcast, so they
kind of work hand in hand to discuss some of
these things. If people prefer to listen to it in
the podcast format, is.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
That on a YouTube format or do you do that
directly off your website?

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
The podcast is available just anywhere that you can get
it on Amazon, Podcasts, Spotify, well, Apple, all those places
as well. It's on YouTube. You can listen to it
there too.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
Would you like to tell the guests about your website.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Yes, So if you want to find out more information
about me and my various works, you can visit Lyle
Blackburn dot com and that has information about everything, and
of course you can I've got a store on there
if you like autographed books, I've got books that are autographed,

(01:30:42):
but as well, they're also all on Amazon, so you
can search Lyle Blackburn on Amazon. And if you're interested
in the fuc Monster, I have a dedicated website to
that falucmonster dot net f o u k E falcl
dot net and you can there's a siding log there

(01:31:03):
you could look at all these sightings kind of like
I was talking about before. But and again a lot
of this is covered in my books, so you could
find that information on the website or just hit Lyle
Blackburn dot com and just jump from there, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
I also posted a link to your books on on
the radio show website, so people can also go there.
And it's the content that it takes you directly the
full listing of your stuff on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Oh perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Yeah, to any final comment you'd like to have for
this evening, I'm sure it's getting Are you east or
west coast?

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Well, I'm I'm in Texas, so.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Your central time too, more or.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Less than the same coast as you the no coast.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
Okay, that works.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
The real part of the country, that's right, the best
part of the country, right, Well, it's a good part
of the country to do research. I'll tell you. People
ask me if I'm going to write about a book
about Bigfoot in the Pacific Northwest, but I'm like, I'm
chasing so many mysteries and sightings down here in the
South that I would leave that to some of my colleagues.

(01:32:09):
Into the long tradition of books that's already been written.
I like to, you know, I like to cover some
of these like southern swampy spooky cases like Boggy Creek
and Lizard Man and and I think that's where I've
been able to offer some additional documentation about, you know,
sightings of these creatures past and present, is by covering

(01:32:32):
books that have not already been written. So I love
love this area, you know, Arkansas is my second home.
Love that countryside as well, and you know, I just
love the outdoors and being able to pursue this and uh,
it's always a fun adventure. And I appreciate everybody that
supports that, whether it's buying a book or listening to

(01:32:54):
the podcast it that is that is helpful to everything
I do. So I appreciate you having me on. I
appreciate the supporters.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Well, I appreciate you being on. I'm honored. And in
the future, sometime after the first of the year, I
like to have you back on. I like to have
a discussion about Mothman and lizard Man and some of
the other cryptids that you've investigated.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
That sounds good. There's there's so many to cover.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
Well, thank you, sir. I'll let check it on with
your evening and I look forward to having you back
on soon.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
Sounds good.

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