Michael Houtzager Friday May 30th 2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Good evening from the Ozark Foothills in northeast Arkansas. I'm
Carl Richardson and you're listening to Midnight Frequency Radio. Our
guest this evening is Michael Helzeger. He graduated from Auburn
University in nineteen eighty two for Industrial engineering and Georgia
Tech in nineteen eighty four for Science and Industrial Management.

(02:44):
He then worked for IBM and Sales for ten years.
Mister Helzeger had the opportunity to interview which was involved
with the MONTP project and the Philadelphia Experience. Good evening,

(03:07):
mister al Zigger. How are you?

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I'm good today. How are you.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Doing? Okay? Thank you, sir?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Good? Yeah, I sound old when you go through my bio.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well, well I think we all do at this point.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
How did you come about meeting mister al Violet?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, so the way you pronounce his name is Bilick. Okay, yeah,
I know it looks like a bilic. But so to
sort of go through a little bit, I met him
in nineteen ninety nine al Blick at a preparedness expo
in Atlanta, Georgia. Now you have to go back to

(03:58):
why did I meet him? And what happens when I
left IBM after ten years, I was, I would say,
by all means, fairly successful as a marketing rep is
what I was called. So I was in Mobile, Alabama,
and I covered the manufacturing industries and I represented IBM

(04:21):
to sell their products into those customers, and I did
pretty well. But I decided, for some foolish reason to
become an entrepreneur, entrepreneur and give up the comfort and
cushiness of a corporate job. And there was a long
period of time there where I just figured out four

(04:43):
or five different ways to lose everything, and so my
Albelic experience was one of those ways. But eventually I
figured out how to get it going right. And I
created a business in two thousand and one called Premium
Crickets and that's done well. It's still in operations. And

(05:04):
I have another company called Reptiles Express and that does well.
And so we have about ten people that work for
me at these two companies. But let's go back to
mister Albelik. I was nineteen ninety nine. I was going
back and forth to work on Georgia four hundred and

(05:27):
all I can listen to were, you know, just the radio.
There's no such thing as podcast back then, and I
kept thinking, wouldn't it be great if I could just
download a program somewhere and listen to that instead of
all this advertising on the radio. So I found this

(05:50):
web thing called I think it's called streaming dot com,
and I think that's what Mark Cuban owned, and Mark
Cuban sold it. That's where he made his first billion,
is when he sold stream streaming dot net or dot
com to Yahoo. Yeah. I think that's how we got started.
But I used to go on there when I was

(06:11):
at work and I would download Artbell shows and I
would record them and then as a wave file, i'd
chop out all the advertising and then I would listen
to that. And I became a huge art Bell fan.
This is back in the nineties. And one of the

(06:33):
problems when you listen to art Bell is he makes
the process of interviewing somebody seem so darn easy that
anybody can do it. You know, even a caveman could
do it. He just made it sound so easy. So
I said, I think there's a business opportunity here if
I could find somebody interesting that I could interview and

(06:58):
go through kind of an art Bell thing, because you know,
he can do it, I can do it, and so
I just needed to find someone who was interesting. So
I went to the Preparedness Expo and I met quite
a few different people there, but in a conference room
with about two hundred people in there was Albelik and

(07:21):
he was talking and he had this group of people
on the edge of their seats, and I, being in
the business of talking to people and seeing presentations given
all the time when I was at IBM, you know,
I was fairly impressed with his ability to capture the
attention of an audience. It's not easy. So at the

(07:45):
very end I came up to him and there was
another guy with him, Larry Sellers. We could talk about him,
but they had a table at the end and they
were selling their videotapes, and I pitched the idea idea
of spending some time with him and interviewing him in
a long format way to get his story out that

(08:06):
we can maybe monetize it so that people when they're
driving back and forth to wherever can listen to the
Albelick story. Because I saw two hundred people that were
just extremely interested. So that's how it started.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
You eventually, that down mister Bailick. I've seen a number
of his interviews. He had a really interesting story regarding
the Philadelphia Experiment.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, so the Philadelphia Experiment's only one tiny part of
the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I know, it streams into the mom Talk project and
other areas and time travel.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Right, So he is known for the Philadelphia Albelick is
but when you talk to him and you dig deeper
and deeper and deeper, you find out that this camp

(09:14):
Hero comes up, and Montak project comes up, and you know,
you know, twenty different other things come up, time travel, aliens,
going to the future, going to the past, going to Mars,
going to the moon. I mean, it's I wound up

(09:36):
spending I had no idea would take this long. But
I spent about three months i think, with Albulik and
he would drive to my office two three times a week,
and I had a little studio there and I'd sit
down and you know, I'd pull the old microphone out

(09:57):
and he'd sit down there with me. And I remember
the first time he just sort of gave me the
broad brush of everything that you know, he's been involved in,
and I said, oh, this is this could take a
long time. And so after about three months. I remember
telling Al I said, well, listen, now, nobody's going to
believe all this stuff you're saying, do you have other

(10:21):
people that I could talk to? And then he basically
gave me a whole list of other people that I
could talk to. I mean, like, how well, how well
do you know the crew involved with this story?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well, I know, mister h Feelick was at the time
Duncan Cameron, was he not?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah? So so okay, So Duncan Cameron was the original
albe league.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah. And then he had a brother by the name
of Edward.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
So you had right, well, you know, let me go back.
So Duncan Cameron was his brother, So eled Cameron, ed
Cameron is alpul Okay. Now, just whoever's listening to this,
I want to warn them this is twenty twenty five, right, Carl, Yeah, So,

(11:23):
and we are talking May thirtieth, twenty twenty five. I
did these interviews twenty six years ago. So if my
memory is not spot on, I hope you will forgive me.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well, mine is probably the saying so uh no worries.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah yeah, And to be quite honest with you, I
am I am shocked that I remember as much as
I do about this episode in my life. I could
have done you know something yesterday and completely forgot about it.
But at somebody asked me about this whole interview thing

(12:02):
I did with Al Bulick and Duncan Cameron and Phil
Schneider and Preston Nichols and Stuart's Wardlow. You know, I
seem to retain so many of those facts, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Well, there's a lot of great deal of data in
all of this. I was going through your archive and
it's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, so I think there's over I put on there
twenty four hours of interviews, and I took them and
put them into an MP three format so that you
could put them on your phone, your computer. You can
listen to them while you're driving. And I think that's
what makes it interesting. I would say in the beginning

(12:49):
when we put this out, there was I built a
website called Bulick dot com and we sold I was
shocked how many of these CDs that we actually sold
to the public, thousands and thousands, And there was like

(13:12):
a real hunger out there for this kind of information.
I think, a real hunger, and I think it's because
there's got to be a good part of it, that
is the truth. Otherwise people wouldn't relate to it. I

(13:32):
remember listening to al in the beginning and thinking, well,
he's a good storyteller, he's got great presence about him.
He seems to be quite the authority. But I never
it took me a while before I even thought it
was even close to possible to be incorrect. I just

(13:55):
thought he had these illusions. Granted, because what always threw
me off about mister al Bielick was when you sat
down and you talked to him, and you were across
the table from him, you felt like you were talking
to a very important person, you know, just the way

(14:16):
he talked, the knowledge that he had, which was amazing,
his delivery. You know, I told my parents I felt
he was like a you know, a two or three
star general. In my mind, if I was talking to
somebody like that, sorry, I was talking to somebody like

(14:39):
like that, you know that, I would think that was
a you know, a commanding person. But yet at the
end of the interview, you know, he'd stand up and
he was in these old clothes that were raggedy, and
he his car, you know, broke down half the time,

(14:59):
and he lived in a a meager apartment and the
office that I had, we always had some food out
and he would come and eat everything. I remember that
whatever was left out he chowed it down before our interviews.
But he was just a real mysterious person, Like how

(15:21):
could someone that smart be that poor? So so that's
why I thought initially he was just kind of you know,
making it up. I believe, I thought he believed it,
but I didn't think it was really well.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
It never seemed that he got rich off the story.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
No, he died poor. He was the whole time that
I knew him. He was poor. I think he just
you know, he made like he we basically split the
sales on the CDs. But he had you know, he

(16:05):
had a handler, which was interesting. Some girl and I
forget her name, somehow got him. I'm going ahead of
myself in the story, but you know she she got
in between me and her and turned him against me. Yeah,
and had him move all the way down to Florida.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
And then that was it. I think. From Florida, then
he started having strokes, and I do know that he
went to where to go. He went down to Mexico
for some treatment, and that's where he passed away. I remember,

(16:53):
like on the Art Bell Show, somehow they got him
to talk. This is after me, and and you could
tell that the Strokes had his ability to talk was compromised. Yeah,
still a good interview, but you could you could tell
he went downhill. And I did talk to him one

(17:13):
time before he passed, and I think we both discussed
how silly it was. But it just made me believe
that there are handlers. It seemed like he had people
handling him. And one of the problems with me and
him was I think I did a little too good

(17:35):
of a job on these interviews, and and I kept going.
I think I would have uncovered more than I really
wanted to know, right, Yeah, you know, because once you
get started in this thing, it's hard to stop. Everything

(17:58):
leads to more questions. Jes If that.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Makes sense, Yeah, it does.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
You never get an answer.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Well, his's his story is extremely complicated. I mean it's
when he was Edward Cameron and they were on the
Eldridge when they were doing the experiment and he and
his brother jumped overboard when the generator started going dessert.
He ended up in mon talk, did he not?

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah? So yeah, So when they landed. They landed on
mon talk. So the name of the base is Camp
Hero Yeah, right, that's the military base, and that military
base has been there for a while, but it was
in this time cycle, I believe forty years, so it

(18:57):
was he landed there around eighty three or eighty four,
and so he would have jumped off when the Yeah,
so it was nineteen forty three is when they jumped off,
and where they landed was in nineteen eighty three, and.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Then he got it.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, it was the.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I'm sorry, No, So it was the two brothers who
I think what we should do is we're assuming that
people know what the Philadelphia experiment is. I mean, do
you want to sort of maybe start with that talk
about what is the Philadelphia experiment?

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah. My understanding is they were trying to render the
ship invisible to radar, but it went well beyond that.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, well, well behind well that so okay, so that
was the story. Right, let's our ships are getting sunk
by U boats in World War two. You know, let's
see if we can come up with something that makes
the ship. The initial thing was radar invisible, you know,

(20:18):
if the radar couldn't pick it up then the U
boat couldn't see it with their equipment. And according to Albelik,
there were some very prominent scientists involved in the construction
of the equipment that went on these ships they had.

(20:41):
Tesla was one of them, Einstein was another, but the
key person was a guy named doctor John von Neumann. Yah,
and have you ever heard of him?

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
What do you know about mister von Neumann?

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, I knew Tesla was worried about the effects that
this experiment would happen on the crew of the ship,
so he kind of backed the way and doctor von
Norman took over, did he not.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, So and I looked it up me.
You know, you and I both are interested in computers,
and we both have you know, a past life in
the computer world. But when I look up doctor Johnson
on the internet, he is known as the father of
the computer. So he he goes that far back. Most

(21:42):
people have never heard of him, but he is a
real person with a history, you know, known history. So
von Neuman was one of the key principles of putting
or designing and building the equipment that went on the ship.
So they did a couple of tests in the harbor

(22:03):
with nobody on it, and the ship actually disappeared during
the test. And you know, they did not expect for
the ship to disappear when they started up all the
equipment and then but it reappeared fairly quickly back in

(22:27):
the harbor. So with Albelic Albilick and his brother were
in charge of the control panel. There was still a
crew that was on the ship, and they started it
up and the ship disappeared. And then he goes through

(22:50):
a long explanation of what happened. When the ship was
in Alla La Land, so to speak, they felt that
the tests had gone berserk, and they proceeded to try
to destroy all the Cathoe ray tubs that was powering
the control panels to shut the thing off. This is

(23:15):
what they wanted to do, but they found out that
they couldn't, and so they decided to abandon ship after
destroying the equipment, and both he and his brother jumped
off the ship, which is strange, and then that's when
they landed in Montauk. But it was Ed Cameron and

(23:43):
Duncan Cameron.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Now my understanding was somehow the power started coming from
the generation system at mom Talk that kept the the
system powered up on the Eldridge. Is that right?

Speaker 2 (24:10):
You know it could be, because I mean, obviously the
two were connected. So where the story gets interesting or
strange was there was another guy with Al at that
conference in nineteen ninety nine, and his name was Larry James.

(24:34):
That was the name we used for him. Yeah, and
getting forward to you know who is Larry James? Larry
James said that he, in another life or iteration, was
the guy that was in charge of the time control
jumps from a point in Montauk, and he knew from

(24:58):
as another person he knew and worked with Albelick or
Ed Cameron quite well. And in fact, I watched the
two together and they were like old friends. But yet
in this reality they had not known each other very
much at all. So I did a whole interview with him,

(25:19):
and that's yeah, I think two or three actually came up.
He was in Florida, and I bought him a ticket
to come up to Atlanta, and I spent a couple
of days with him, interview viewing him, and you know
he I remember he brought out a book of you know, equipment,

(25:40):
and he had these antennas and he said this was
the antenna that I bought and I used it here.
And then he also talked about, you know, how the
memory works and how they're only able to remember certain
things but not everything. So according to Larry, everything was

(26:02):
controlled in the future in nineteen eighty three, and he
was part of that as another person. Yeah, that's where
it gets really confusing.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah. I know that they were sit back at one
point and to an unborn infant. The story is wild,
be honest.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, it would have a long time to figure that
one out. So, okay, that was the un well, the
infant was the body of Albelic. Yeah, okay, So what
happened was it's nineteen eighty three and you have Ed
Cameron and he starts to age rapidly. Now Duncan apparently didn't,

(26:58):
but h Ed Cameron did. He was he was getting
too old too quick, and they needed to keep him
around to complete the loop, so to speak. So to
all of them, I mean you need't talk to Stuart's Warlow, Preston,
Phil Schneider, all of them. They have this ability to

(27:22):
take your soul and put it into another body. Now,
what they say was that when a child is born,
you know that first second, the soul has not yet
entered into the physical body, and they have the technology
at that at point, right after it's born, to interject

(27:46):
another soul of their choosing, and so they took the
soul with equipment that they had. This is a story.
I wasn't there, and they they took Ed's soul and
put it in the physical body of al Bilick. Does
that make sense?

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, but I don't think all of his memories didn't
go that route. He got those back later in his.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Life, correct, Yeah, But he talks about when he was
little and growing up. He says he never felt that
he belonged to that family that he grew up in
and that he was able to, you know, pick up
and play the piano, a skill that he had no

(28:37):
idea where that came from, and he you know, he
just fell out of place with that iteration of himself,
you know. But eventually he got deeply involved in the
Montauk project as al Blick. So that that took me

(29:02):
a while to figure out, because he talks about this
as if you know, you and I are talking about
what did we do yesterday? He doesn't think it's a
big deal, but I'm like, wait a minute, Hey, Cameron,
I'll be like, what what happened? Oh yeah, they sold
transferred me. I forgot to tell you that.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Now Duncan had the ability to time travel with the
mont Talk chair. Of course that's a whole other subject.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
So yeah, the mon Talk chair is the integral part
of this whole thing. I mean, that's what makes everything possible.
So it's a chair. Imagine a chair that you sit
down and on both sides there's these big coils and

(29:58):
essentially it takes your thoughts and amplifie them and using
the right people, they're able to control or create a wormhole.
I believe that's what they were able to do with
that chair, and then you stepped into the wormhole, and
people like Larry James had the technology to control where

(30:20):
you went.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
I think with the chair also he had the ability to,
over a period of time start actually bringing things into
that time brain. I think you thought about a baseball,
and a baseball actually appeared where they were.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
At, if memory serves me correct. They were trying to
get Budweiser beers to appear. I think that's what they did. Yeah,
they got bud beers. Yeah, they create something out of nothing.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
And Duncan also made trips farther into the future. Understanding
so did ol Well, yeah, he pulled out with.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Him, right, So I think al talked to me about
two different trips or maybe more. I'll tell you. What
comes to mind is, you know, like way out in
the future, he went to, Uh, okay, I'm going back

(31:42):
a little bit. So they did a jump into the
future into a hospital to heal. And this is after
he came back as Albelic something. He had to go
into the future to heels and come back and do
his job. That's all I remember. But then and even
further in the future, he was a tour guide in

(32:05):
these cities that all floated. So our future has floating
cities in him and nobody needs to work unless you
want to work, and so he enjoyed it. He was
there for a while as a tour guide on the
city about a bad gig.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
No. I think he also made ap to an alien
planet that was inhabited by reptilians.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Okay, so the reptilian that I remember was he talked
about a reptilium at Montak. So the Montak base went down.
It had underground facilities and deep underground was a reptilian

(32:59):
that sort of managed the whole project. He said he
actually met with him. He didn't have much of a
sense of humor. He was very serious and extremely intelligent. Yeah,
I remember that also, Oh you do. Okay, so I
remember that one reptilium. Now, as far as others, like

(33:20):
a whole world, I don't remember that. I remember him
talking about going to Mars in the underground caverns. Maybe
some other things will pop up. But it was Larry

(33:44):
James that actually had some interesting time travel stories. He
was quite huh.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
I'm not that familiar with Larry's. I'm familiar with.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Peter Peter Moon. Yeah, okay, so so Peter Moon is
just it was like you and me, right, He interviewed
him and wrote he wrote books for them, but he
didn't actually participate in any thing.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
So Larry was, you know, by design, he wanted to
be very incognito. I'm surprised I even met him. If
I hadn't been there at that conference in nineteen ninety
nine in Atlanta, I would have never known him. But
he was a young guy. But he if he wasn't crazy,

(34:43):
he was able to make up some good stories and
he and al chummed along together. But the stories he
told me were that the interesting things was he said
that they went back and tried to chang change timelines
to see if we could have a better timeline to

(35:04):
live in. And they changed the timeline of what would
happen if Kennedy wasn't shot and killed. And they did that,
and they they they worked on that timeline, they brought
it forward and their conclusion was that we were worse
off with Kennedy alive than debt, and so they kept it.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
I'll try to make things better and you end up worse.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, So why do you think that is, Carl, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I guess we have a way of things that have
to take place, or other things happened that we really
don't want to get into.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I do you? I mean
you like Kennedy. I don't know, but I really respected
Kennedy a lot. Yeah. And and I asked Larry, I said,
how the world could it be better for Kennedy to
have been assassinated? Then he said what happened was when

(36:20):
they ran ran it. The problem was that we trusted
our government too much, and we still do, and we
probably still do Yeah, but he said that that that
caused more problems than if you had been The assassination

(36:42):
made us question everything about our government after that. Yeah, okay, fair,
that's cool, makes sense. Yeah they Yeah, they fidgeted with
the Civil War a couple of different ways too. You know,
Win south Louse. How would you know? I'm you and

(37:03):
I were in this timeline together. I don't know about
the other ones. Yeah, but you know I can't. The
thing is, I can't prove or disprove what they say.
I could just ask the questions like you do of
me and try to get the story out so that
other people can determine whether it makes sense for them

(37:25):
or not.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Now, Preston, I can't remember his last name, Nicholas Nicholas, Yeah,
was highly involved with the Campiro and the mon talk issues.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
I don't think he was no so so he was
a friend of Albelick that I may be wrong on that,
but I don't believe he was so. Preston Nichols was

(38:10):
a friend of Al Beelick. The two of them actually
did conferences together. The two of them actually stayed in
hotel rooms together when they did conferences. How about that?
Back in the eighties, or nineties. So here's how it
all links together. So Preston Nichols has a father named

(38:37):
Phil Schneider, and it's interesting they have different last names.
So I never I wonder about that. Now, Phil Schneider
was a former German U boat commander that was captured
and brought over to the United States. And Phil Schneider

(39:05):
had a major part of the Philadelphia experiment. I think
you ran it. So you had you had somebody, you know,
like doctor John von Neumann, who was the scientific arm
of it, but then it was Phil Schneider who ran it.

(39:28):
So former German U boat commander captured by the Allies,
brought over here as part of Operation paper Clip, and
then his son is Preston Nichols.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Okay, I was thinking Preston was involved with collecting the
Montauku Boys Barling programming album.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
So I never I never got that.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Now, I never had chance to talked to him, So
I could talk to Albelick about precedent, but I couldn't
talk to President he had already died. Yeah, So so
the story is that you know he committed suicide, but
it was in such a way that there's no way
you know, he could have done it to himselfself. Yeah

(40:20):
it was you know, he couldn't have done it. So
and even told people beforehand that if I'm dead, it
wasn't me. But I believe he was. You know, I
think that's what happens to a lot of people. And
that's one of the reasons why I sort of got
out of this thing for a long time. You know,

(40:41):
I became afraid that, you know, maybe I might be
talking about things that I shouldn't talk about, and you know,
I just sort of dropped the whole thing and focused
in on making a living because I didn't want to

(41:02):
have the same hate as rest all the other It's
not worth it now, you and me both. So his
big thing was Preston Nichols, was that he was a
I believe he was an engineer, A pretty good engineer.

(41:28):
Oh I know what he was, Okay. So so he
was working in the construct the engineering and the construction
of underground bases. So that's what he did. So maybe
part of part of Camp Heiro, maybe he was involved
in that a little bit. But Al said that for

(41:49):
every state there's at least two underground based you know,
large underground base. Yeah, hard hard to believe. But that's
he insisted on that, and Preston was part of that
program that built those until he wasn't. So the famous

(42:10):
thing about Preston Nichols is the Dulcy incident. I mean,
do you know about that.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I'm not familiar with that one.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I wish I could remember that the year. But Dulcie,
I believe, is in Nevada and they were starting to
build a base. There was they found a cavern. Preston
and some marines went down into this cavern and this

(42:42):
is where they encountered a lot of these alien grays,
you know, the guys with the big eyes. There was
a shootout that happened. Preston was wounded, lost some fingers
and had his you know, his chest blown up, but lived.

(43:04):
He was carried out by a marine and then most
of the others went down died, the marines died. So
there's a whole long story about Dulcy. And that's what
Preston would talk about at these conferences about the Dulcy incident.

(43:26):
So so you know, not all aliens are good according
to them.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yeah, and I wouldn't doubt that.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, I mean, and Preston, would you know, do his
videos and stand up and tell the story. And he
would hold up his hand and show, you know, well,
three fingers are missing, and they were. And sometimes he
would even pick up his shirt and show you know
what happened to his chest to the audience. So doesn't

(44:01):
mean that the Dulci incident happened, but that was his story.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yeah. Uh. I don't know if you're familiar with the
When they shut down the Montalk project, supposedly they summoned
the creature from another of the dimension, and that Presston
supposedly shut down.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
The ower sources at mon Talk to try to get
rid of the creature, but instead it got loose into
the camp heuro area.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
I don't know if you're familiar with all that or not.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah. Yeah, they talked about that story. So some people
say that Preston Nichols, you know, ran the Montalk project.
I watched a few videos of him. He ran a
part of it. He didn't run the whole thing. Yeah,

(45:00):
But the story was it was Duncan in the chair
and al and others. They became convinced that this thing
needed to end, The project needed to end, and they
tried to figure out what's the best way to end it.
I believe it was Dune Duncan's idea to try to

(45:22):
create a monster, you know, that was big enough and
strong enough to destroy everything, and in the chair while
he was in there, he used whatever powers he had
he had created the monster. The monster came in through
the wormhole and created having as far as pressed and

(45:49):
shutting everything down and stopping it. I don't know. Yeah,
that sounds viable, but I'm not one hundred percent sure.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Yeah, Like I said, everything is so common play going
from the Philadelphia Experiment to Mond Talk and everything that's supposed.
I mean, I've heard stories that they were kidnapping runaways
and stuff like that and programming them to be assassins
and other things.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Well let's let's stay right there, because that's a good point. Uh,
you know, part of this, there's there's a lot of
different projects that overlaid others. So the whole concept of
mind control intercepted with time travel. The two actually kind

(46:42):
of went hand in hand. So the whole runaways and
the capturing of the boys, and you know, apparently many
of them died, which is the part that upset me
a lot. Yeah, when I heard you know that literally
thousands of young men and die in trying to create

(47:03):
this wormhole. So you know that they were used to
sort of tweak it, tune, and it had to be
young boys. I think they used young girls before them,
but it had to be before they hit puberty. That
whatever they added to the project, whatever usefulness was, you know,

(47:26):
was at the highest peak. Something about puberty made them
not as effected. But they they were sent out into
these wormholes or or they were. Actually this is what
al Bulick told me, And this is the part I
didn't like. Was they would torture the little boys, and

(47:51):
they would do it physically and sexually. And it was
they had equipment that would pick up and pull that
energy and then using using computers they were able to
store it. And and you know, I said, what kind

(48:11):
of computers did you have? And they said, oh, they
had IBM three sixties And you and I both know
what those were. Yeah, so but so, But what I
found out later is that they were IBM three sixties
on the front end, but then they had like Chray

(48:34):
supercomputers on the back end. And that was that uh shot.
What's the name of that place, the research place that
Preston worked at down the road in the tunnel brook them.

(48:54):
Yeah so yeah, so so Preston actually worked during his
day job was at brook Caven, but there was a
tunnel from Brookhaven to Montalk. He would take that and
then he would go into his alter ego as another
person and he would do his job there.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah I remember that.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, so, how I still remember all this stuff? All
I can say is I hope I wasn't part of it.
I know too much.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
I hope I'm got that open. You don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Well, let's yeah, I want to stick with this this
thing about the Montalk Boys because that's where some interesting
stuff has come out that that just you know, I
like to watch videos about conspiracies and who says what.

(49:58):
I've always been fascinating about the Candidity assassination, probably more
so than anything. Somehow that affected me emotionally and that's
never changed. And of all the people in the whole world,
and this one person who dies the way they die

(50:19):
just had a major impact on me. But there's there's
a lot, there's you know, I think a lot of
the stories are coming out about, you know, how it
really happened. And let me see if I could find Yeah, so,

(50:50):
who do you in your opinion, who do you think
did it?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
What the experiments with mon talk and it was.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
The Kennedy assassination.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
I thought before that the CIA was involved.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Right, So yeah, I've and and that's come out now
with the new files that have been released by Trump. Yeah,
that you know, but they had a small part of it.
So the CIA had every reason to hate Kennedy because
of the Bay of Pigs fiasco and then Kennedy's saying

(51:40):
that he's going to essentially, you know, break him into
a million pieces or a thousand pieces. But on YouTube,
there is a gentleman who claims that he was the
one that shot the gun from the grass. No, and

(52:02):
he's on four or five different videos. He's been interviewed
several times. His name is five.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
He was the one dressed as a hobo. Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (52:16):
So he was I don't know he was. He was
probably un much. You know. When he describes how he
did it, he said, he took the shot. It killed
the blue president's head off, or you know, part of
it off. And then he talked about the way that

(52:37):
he changed the way he looked. Was he he he
had a coat and he turned it inside out and
then walked away to a car that was waiting for him.
But he had a gun that was capable of doing
one shot. That was it. Okay. So this guy's name

(52:57):
is Files. And you know how you can watch somebody
talk and you get a feel for whether they're making
it up or not. And you know, the very first
time he was interviewed, he was in prison, and you know,

(53:18):
he told the story that's going like, sounds pretty good.
He does have a lot of facts, though, and he
could really describe exactly what happened to this amazing amount
of detail. And if you're making it up, why would
you know that much detail? But he's he also got

(53:39):
out of prison and he gave a final interview and
I think he's dead now, but he talked again about,
you know, being the guy that shot the bullet that
made his head go back. It was a final bullet
that killed him. But I listened to here's what blew

(54:00):
my mind. He talked about being part of being trained
in Camp Hero. He talked about being part of the
Montak project and it was just a little tiny thing
in there, you know, in a two hour interview, and

(54:20):
he also said that he doesn't know who is his
father was, but his mother believes that he was part
of a US Navy birthing experiment in Mobile, Alabama, which
is where I spent my IBM years in. So it's like,

(54:42):
what's the chances of this? So? And I remember I
interviewed another guy who talked about super soldiers and how
you know, we were. They were trying to find a
way to create a soldier that was just, you know,
amazing than the rest, and so he was part of that.

(55:04):
So he says, so, what's the chances of him even
saying that and then being the one that probably you know,
did the final shot and it was Yeah, it was
his best friend. He talks about if you remember Tippett
the cop was shot, that was that was one of

(55:27):
his best friends and associates. And the best friend was
went over to Lee Harvey Oswell's house to kill him,
but the cops showed up, and so we had to
kill the cop is what happened. And then the two

(55:48):
of them met inside their getaway house and together they
went wherever they went. But that does make sense too.
So Lee Harvey Oswell was definitely of the patsy. You know,
he was set up to do it, but he had
to die, right, and you couldn't you couldn't have that exposure.

(56:10):
And the first try failed and then Jack Ruby had
no choice. It was you know, kill him or else,
and and that's what he did. And he knew it
was over for him at that point, but he had

(56:31):
no choice and he was given Yeah, Jack Ruby was
given cancer in prison and that's what he died of.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
All this stuff so tied together.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
It's one big story that that's all integrated, really is so?
And I myself only know one percent of well, yeah,

(57:09):
you know, I I wasn't there. I just know what
people have said and I seem to have a memory
for it. So what part, what part do you want
to go to next?

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Well, we're probably we're almost at the top of the hour, okay,
so I probably need to go on to break and
then we like to say it'll be about five minutes
and then we can come back. And I'm getting a
little wabble on the discord audio at some point when
they have to swamp over the Google voice. But that's

(57:51):
not a big deal.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
So your voice sounds good to me.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Yeah, And I'm here in the majority of what you're saying.
It's just like sometimes the kind of wobbles or are
two D two's as we call it, indn't ham radio
digital communications.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Yeah. So if there's what would make this interesting is
if there are any people that have questions, Yes, and
they can, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
They can join the discord. My producer has the information
and I think he can make it public on the
the Facebook page and other places.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yeah. I was saying last time I did this on
the X platform x spaces that the guy named A
J called me upset. I was driving back from Kassimi, Florida.
It was late at night. He said, Hey, I'm doing
x spaces and can you hop on and talk about
the Philadelphia experiment and now buili.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I got about twenty people and I said sure, I'll
do it while I'm driving. By the time I got
to my hotel, it was over fifteen hundred people.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Wow, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
That's crazy. Yeah, And they asked the best questions and
that's what that's what made it really interesting was the
conversation between all of us.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah, well, it's always great to get questions from listeners
and everything.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Absolutely all right, So you want to just take a
break and then start up in five.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Well, we'll do it.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Okay, the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Time that I need.

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(01:05:59):
How are you still there? Mister Helzeger, I am still here.
Already got to pay the bills there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Very good. Where would you like to go?

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Well, I understand. After I think in nineteen fifty one,
after World War Two, the Aldedge was turned over to
the Greek Navy and they continued to use the ship.
Are you familiar with any of the stories that took
place after that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
I remember Albelick showed me the pictures of that ship.
I think he got it from a Playboy magazine article?
Is that what he referenced? As far as what you
know what happened after the Greek Navy used it, I
don't know. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
My understanding is this they had ghostly apparitions appear on
the ship in different places, and that sometimes in the
evening the ship would take on the green, cloudy glow
like it did during the actual Philadelphia Experience experiment. But

(01:07:21):
there were reports that there were a lot of cabling
run through the ship, But I'm not so unsure that
that wasn't part of the de gaussing heavy wire cables
that they use for the de galasing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Yeah, I'm looking it up. It was renamed the Leon, Yeah,
and the Greek Navy held it for two years.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I think they salvaged it. They started breaking it down
for components back in the nineties. I forget the exact date.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
So from my interviews, there wasn't a lot of information
on what happened to it after the Greeks had it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
They were the last owner, I think, and then the
Greek government started stripping it down for the recycle the
metals and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
So al Blick said that the ship was brought back.
You last heard it was going to the North Virginia
Navy Yard. That's what he said in my interviews. But
that was all what he thought happened. He didn't have
facts about it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Yeah, well it's it's one ship that has a lot
of stories on it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Yeah, it was key to everything, wasn't it that Once?
It'd be nice for us to actually find it and
take a field trip out there and see it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Oh yes. My question is what would really want to
recreate some of the same conditions that caused the accident
in other locations.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Well, you'd have to start it up though, Yeah, you
have up a lot of power through it to make
that happen, and then you'd have to have someone in
the future sort of controlling what happens as well. I mean,
it was a I don't think by itself, just sitting
there anything would happen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Yeah, I just think it. I don't know, maybe after
effects the way it affected the whole or something. But
the stories of the crew actually using into the deck
and I guess mister Billick's uh talk to you about

(01:10:04):
all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Yeah, he said, well, they had they had to jump
back on the ship for some reason to close the loop,
and when they did, they saw people that were fused
in the deck itself, and a lot of people walking
around in the haze, you know, sort of not knowing

(01:10:29):
what was going on.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Yeah. I think some people actually had mental issues after that, right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
And then some people, if I recall, would be out
somewhere and then just disappear. I think he was. They
were at a bar and there was a sailor at
a bar and he just disappeared, right. Well, phase into
a different dimension, a different reality.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Yeah, Yeah, any other any other stories about mon talk
you'd like to discuss.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
About? Mon Talk my my least favorite place, you know,
I'm not in. I'm not into torture or whatever, you know,
killing of young men and women. That's not a favorite topic. Yeah.
I like aliens, but I don't like the reptilians. I

(01:11:39):
don't see a lot of positive things that come out
of them. Apparently they are the They believe that they
were here before us, and that you know, we they
own the planet and we don't. Is the story I
keep getting about that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
I've heard that story.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Also, let's see the and you have to Yeah, so
you know we're we're the visitors, they're the owners. They
don't seem to have any emotion. They're extremely intelligent, but
they're not they don't have a big heart. So I
think on Montalk some of the stories I heard about

(01:12:19):
was it was it was a it was the place
where the gold was delivered from Germany, the Nazi gold.
It was in Montalk, and that's how that's what they
used to fund all these projects. So apparently Congress was

(01:12:40):
involved in the beginning. When they found out what was happening,
they shut it down, but there was certain others that
wanted to keep it going. And in order to keep
it going, you needed money, and the money came from
Nazi gold. So there was a ship that was sent
over here. Apparently it's sunk right there right off in Montalk,

(01:13:06):
but it was that there were ways of opening up
portals or something like that from the underground part and
they brought it in.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Yeah, I heard stories. They kept saying there were no
underground portals or anything. But if you go onto the
camp hero, there are a lot of ways to get
into underground passages.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Have you ever been there?

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
I've not, just what I've seen on documentaries and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Right, Yeah, I think I need to make a trip
before I get too old.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Yeah, I'm my understanding of the radar tower with the
big dish is still up, isn't it. They haven't tore any.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Of that day. Well, yeah, yeah, I was. Somehow it
came across a video of something recent of people going
out there. I think i'll mind talked. There's another character
by the name of Stuart Swordlow. Have you ever heard
of him? I have? Okay, So remember I said to Al,

(01:14:15):
I said, listen, nobody's going to believe this. You need
to get some other people that I could talk to
an interview that can sort of go along with your
story and make it a little more believable. And he
came up with the name Stuart's Wardlow and Stewart is
in Long Island. He's probably now and his you know,

(01:14:39):
i'd say mid seventies, but I interviewed him and he
confirmed to me that he knew Al, that he worked
with alre now and that he was in charge of
the boys, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the listeners here to pardon my dogs.
I was going to put them out, but you know
how they are.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
My dogs are downstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Well, I normally put mine out, but I have one
that just had a surgical procedure to prevent unwanted items,
and and I don't want to put him out and
he mess around and tear stitches or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Okay, So I'm looking at my notes about Stuart's wordlow.
So Stewart said he that Al was a very high
superior compared to him, and while Stuart was involved in

(01:15:57):
the experiments themselves. So they've met personally, let's see. And
I just want to say that, Okay, I'm just so

(01:16:17):
my notes are very vague. Ye, it was talking to
these people was so hard to actually nail any of
them down. I think they wanted to talk, but they
wanted to talk around any question I had. Yeah, so
you know where you asked me a direct question, I'll

(01:16:37):
give you a direct answer. I would ask them a
direct question and get this weird answer almost, you know,
almost as if they were programmed. It's sort of like, Okay,
there's ten answers, you could give pick one, and they
would many times they'd say the same thing to different questions. Yeah,

(01:17:00):
programming like a programming. Yeah, that's what I felt it
to be. But when I try to say, you know,
ask Stuart, what did you really do at Montalk? You know,
he couldn't give me a direct answer, but I do
think it was sinister, and I think he had a

(01:17:23):
lot of regrets about it. Now, this would be what
I found interesting is the way they use people over there,
because they had the technology to do a like a
brain brain like a memory wipe. So they would go
to Montalk, including Stuart, do their thing and work and

(01:17:45):
then when they're done, they would go sit in a
chair and they would turn on the equipment and supposedly
it would just erase everything. And there is a program
on Apple Computer Apple TV right now, and I forget
the name of it, but it's really it's the same

(01:18:07):
story about you know, the main character has his life
outside but then goes into an elevator and the process
of going in the elevator into the office completely changes
what he remembers. Yeah, so a lot of times these

(01:18:27):
people will you know that they'll they'll create movies out
of what really happened. For some reason, they seem to
want to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Well, I thought Preston Nichols was like that. He was
an engineer, but then when he was at mom Top,
it was like you said, you go into an elevator
and you come out and you're completely a different person.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Yeah, he is a smart guy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
You know, if you asked me about electronics, he'll talk
all day about it, and you know, in a way
that was extremely incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Yeah. So the movie on Apple TV is called Severance.
I don't know if you ever watch Apple TV, but
it's a series. And as I watched through that series,
I was like, this is mon talk. This is what
they do, just in you know, different format. So you know,

(01:19:36):
Al and Larry and all the rest. They just said
that their technology didn't work that well and certain things
would trigger them back into remembering what really happened. So
al Buelick what triggered him was he was at a
conference in a hotel, watching a movie in the hotel

(01:20:00):
on the Philadelphia Experiment and the one with Michael Perey
in it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Yeah, and he.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Said that was as soon as he watched that, all
all the memories came flooding back in.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Yeah, that's what triggered him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Yeah, that was just trigger right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Are you familiar with John Tater or Teeter?

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
So the only way I'm familiar with him is through
your good friend Art Bell uh interviewed him. Right, Yeah,
at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Yeah, the time travel, I was just I was you
brought up earlier the IBM computer that helped run some
powerful servers. He was came back in time to get
apart from IBM to to run a similar system.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Really, I wouldn't be surprised. Well, you know, I both know.
I mean I was in IBM in nineteen eighty four
and at that time it was you know, IBM was
the Microsoft and the Google of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Now hardly anybody knows them, but they were something back then.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Yeah. My work with them was, like I said, build
service tech and we actually did some circuit board art replacement.
My problem at IBM or the section that I was in,
but there were too many chiefs and not enough Indians.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
H Well, I loved IBM. I you know why I
quit to become an entrepreneur. I'll never know somebody tattooed
stupid on my forehead, I guess, But you know I did.
I love the people. They were extremely intelligent people. They

(01:22:00):
were just fun to work with. And my big problem
in life was, you know, I spent ten years in
that world and then I stepped into a different world
with different rules. Yeah, the rules of the corporate IBM
world did not apply to the highly competitive, scrappy entrepreneurial

(01:22:22):
life that I stepped into. Yeah, and you know I
did not perform well for a little while. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
I enjoyed the work, it's just but I actually had
seven supervisors that I had to answer to. Wow, and
it was sometimes just overbearing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
You know. I didn't have that. I had one well,
and his only job, his only thing was said to me, Mike,
what can I do to help you today? Yeah? I
mean that's the kind of manager you want, you know,
what can I do to help you? Because my job

(01:23:01):
was in sales, I had hit the numbers and I
would just say, okay, you know, for this customer, I
need X y Z help me out and he get
it done.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Well, that was nice, very nice.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Yeah. So I hope he's not listening tonight. Uh. All right,
So where do you want to go? We've covered a
lot of areas briefly, but you want to dive into
some other other ones.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Well, I didn't get time to review all of your stuff,
you know, on the link that you sent, So let
I'll let you pick a topic.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Yeah, just so, I sent you all my interviews, right,
I get you a link, yes, and it had all
had all the interviews that I did over three months.
I do want to I do want to mention this
one thing about you know, the believability part of this.

(01:24:17):
You know. So I remember this was before the election
that I did these interviews, and this was the Bush
Gore election. So I finished my work with Albelick August
September something like that, right before the election, and I

(01:24:40):
remember it towards the end, the very end, I said, okay,
i'll you're time traveler, who's our next president? Who's going
to win? And then my memory says, you know, I
remember him sitting there saying nobody. And I'm recording at
the time, right, So I'm thinking, Okay, I'm taking a

(01:25:02):
big chance here because if he gets it wrong, you know,
everything I've done is you know, I just wasted three
months of my life yeah, if you looked it right, Okay,
that's good. So it's a fifty to fifty deal. But
then he says nobody, and I'm you know, that's not
part of the fifty to fifty deal there, And I said,

(01:25:25):
what do you mean nobody? And then he sort of
goes through talking about how it's going to nobody's going
to win, and then he discusses how it's going to
snake through the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court,
and then they said, and they will give it to
George Bush. And I remember, yeah, I mean he talked

(01:25:50):
about the Supreme Court and all that stuff, and I said,
I'm screwed. I just wait, there's like that's never happened before.
There's no way what he said is true. But you
know it was. If my job was to speak the truth,

(01:26:12):
and you know that's what I was trying to do,
then I at that time, I told a lot of
people what Albelik said exactly how we said it, and
they all said, well, we all knew that he was wrong.
But al Bielick he never hesitated. He never who ooh
you know like that. He never said maybe well could

(01:26:35):
be or he just spoke it like done. Yeah, you know,
and it's in the recording too, if you could find
it on on those digital files I sent you. Yes,
So I tell all the people, and then all of
a sudden, the election happens the way that Al Bilick
said it was going to happen. Now, where I was

(01:26:58):
was in a office with a group of people, sort
of an open office, and they would see mister Bulick
walk in and out and eat all the food in
the kitchen. They would, you know, they would ask me,
who in the hell is this guy? And I would
tell them what I'm doing, and they would laugh at me.
But and then I told them what he said about

(01:27:19):
the presidential election, and they were, well, yep, he's wrong.
I will tell you that. What was so interesting was
when that election happened the way it happened. These people
that I told what was going to happen, that laughed
at me, So their laughter turned into genuine fear. Yeah

(01:27:45):
it wasn't oh good job he did it. They became
extremely fearful, panicky in a way. Yeah, And that was
probably the most extreme part of the whole experience for me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Yeah, because that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Yeah, that was my truth right there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
I don't know. So so many people have tried to
do bunk it, and to me, it hasn't been completely.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
De bumed, you know. Yeah, and there's there's every reason
to say, you know, it could be completely made up.
There's just too many people associated with this story. Yeah, yeah,
you know, I think if it was not real, then

(01:28:49):
we wouldn't even be talking about it right now. I mean, imagine,
how many years is this after all these things happened,
and we're still talking about it? And why is it
that I can get on, you know, with a friend
of mine who has an xpace's account and he says,
we're going to talk to Mike Autzeger about the mon
Talk project, and fifteen hundred people pop on. So why

(01:29:13):
are there so many people that interested in this? And
I think it's not because of me. Nobody knows who
I am, but they have, you know, they have bits
and pieces of this story that's very real to them,
and they're all trying to figure out, you know, what
is the real truth? Right? They want an explanation for it.

(01:29:35):
They may know some mon Talk boys, right, they may
know some super soldiers, they may know some Operation paper
Clip kids. See it, just that the truth has a
weird way of eventually coming out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
Yeah, a lot of arts interview in George Knapp's interview
with people like the Gentleman worked at Area fifty one
and S four. Bob Blazar, Bob Blazaar, Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Well that's a whole different story there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
Yeah, but I don't think anybody's actually debunked what he
has said.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
I mean, no, Bob Blazar. I mean, and he's coming
out with his own somebody's producing a movie, yeah, soon to.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Be released, Project Gravity, Yeah, Project Gravitar.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Yeah. Yeah, so he was able to create a three
three D holograph of what he remembers. Yes, so I
look forward to watching that movie when it comes out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
Yeah, they spent a lot of money on that because
they built the systems to do the actual three D
renderings and everything to work with the you know, the
goggles that you wear.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Yeah wow. So yeah, Bob Blazaar is just one small
part of the story. So all he did was worked
on the propulsion systems for down et crafts. Right, So
that's just one small.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
Slice, Yeah, just one, And everything's the government does is
compartmentalized anyway, So that's what he knew. That's the area
that he was involved with, right, so you know that's
the only thing that he can discuss with about.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
It that he knows about. Yes, so yeah, I think
we're all trying to figure out what is going on.
You know, what, what is the secret or the hidden agenda?
You know, what's the purpose for all this? Have you

(01:32:11):
come to any conclusions yourself or ideas.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
There's something going on? That's sure?

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
The government's into it up to the chin.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
So so my own theory is it's as simple as
you know, the few want a way to control the many.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
You know, because if the many knew what was really
going on, the few would be in trouble. Yes, big time, Yes,
big time. So you know, the few concoct all these
different things with aliens or time travel, uh, mind control, assassinations,

(01:33:18):
go through the whole list. But the whole point of
it is just control.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
That's what it comes down to.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
I think that's it. I don't I don't know why
they feel they need to control everything. I mean, we
got it pretty good if we just stop killing each other.
As far as the the e t part, you know,
I think that's a bit more. Oh, that's where it

(01:33:50):
gets complicated. Like, what's their agenda? Yes, do have a
good agenda or they have a bad agenda.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
That's what happens when you try to do a live
show when you have animals.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
I got five pigs and five dogs, and they are
all well beams.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
These are until they hear something outside. Normally it's a
cat jumping on the porch, and then they all want
to go see what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Yeah, squirrels here? Yeah, all the cats are gone.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Out here in the boondocks. People drop animals off and
for some reason they come hang around our place.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
So yeah, So you know where I'd like to take
this is. There's a guy named Jimmy Payne. Okay, let's
talk about him. You've probably never heard who he is,
never had, and he's actually still alive. He lives he
doesn't want to say exactly where he lives, but I

(01:34:52):
think it's in Arkansas. Oh really, that's how familiar I'm
not familiar with him, but then I mean, the reason
why I bring him up is because he says that
his dad was part of Operation paper Clip, that he
is the son of that father from Germany brought over

(01:35:16):
here on Operation paper Clip, and that he was very
involved with many of these projects. I've interviewed him two
or three different times. He is a hard person to interview,
but he will cover every subject that you could ever
think of.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
He sounds like someone I need on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Yeah, I think, I think so it would be. I
think it would be good for you to try to
get a different angle on him. He says he was
involved personally involved in the in the Philadelphia experiment. Yeah,
so that'd be good to get that story out. Let's see.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
Well, I'll talk to you off stream about that at
some point, and maybe you can rake me his way.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
So I have his phone number and his email. I
could send you an email and ask if he would
be interested in talking to you directly and doing a
show with you. So there is on Rumble, you say,
this is on Rumble, right, So yes, there is a
guy named James Rink who is also on Rumble who

(01:36:32):
does a program called Super Soldier, and Jimmy Paine has
been on his program several times. Okay, so you could
actually maybe listen to a couple of his interviews.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
I'll definitely do that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
And because your producer was thinking that I'm the only
one alive still associated with this and I'm not. There's
many people out there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
You're still a good source of information.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Yeah. I have talked to many of these people directly,
you know, I spent time with them. Yeah, so I
could talk about my experience with them and you know,
my observations. But he's I would tell you he's a
hard person to interview. Now, but if you're going to
keep him on for three hours, he'll he'll keep going

(01:37:28):
for three hours, I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Well, that sounds good to me.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
Yeah, there was I'm trying to remember there were some
stones in Georgia that got blown up, and he knew
about those things. I'm trying to remember what they were called.
But they had there were stones that were in it
in like Brazleton or someplace, Mapleton, someplace out east, and

(01:37:55):
they mysteriously appeared and they had predictions about our future
in eight different languages. And nobody knew anything about him,
but Jimmy did. He knows about who did it, why
they did it, And apparently the religious faction here in

(01:38:15):
the Deep South decided that is not parallel with what
the Bible says, so they blew it up.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Oh it figures.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
I was watching one thing that he talks about the
Apollo twenty mission, and as you know, the Apollo mission
stopped at seventeen. So they said, but Jimmy's he will
go and talk about what happened on the Apollo twenty
mission and how there was a crashed UFO on the

(01:38:45):
Moon that their job was to go and investigate. So
he talks with a lot of detail that if you
weren't there, why would you know that much detail? Yes,
I think you'll have fun with him.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
I most definitely would, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Or so than me because he was actually involved. So
he's a super soldier. He's been genetically modified, he's met aliens,
he's worked with aliens. He was part of the Montauk project.
His dad was Operation paper Clip and he's still alive now.
He doesn't like using his real name.

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
I would blame him, and.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
He does have a family. He wants to protect his family.
But he'll talk. Just keep it sort of incognito there. Yeah,
so that I'll get that to you. That'll be interesting interview.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
I'll be very appreciative of that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
All right, So where do we want to go? Now?

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Well, like I say, I didn't get to listen to
all your interviews that I really wanted to. Before the
show of Chris. We had some you know, other things
going on here around the place that kind of took
me away from it. But any other interesting things you
would like to discuss?

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Yeah, just there was these are the small parts. So
I asked, I kept asking now that I need more
information to corroborate his story, and he gave me the

(01:40:24):
name of a guy who was in West Virginia somewhere.
His name was doctor James F. Korum, and I talked
to him, and I think his interview is actually on
there now. He said that he replicated the Philadelphia experiment

(01:40:45):
using Tesla technology and he is working for you know,
that part of the government that is Black Ops. So
he's it's interesting. I said, what do you do? He says, well,
I'm working on propulsion technology that pulls rather than pushing.

(01:41:07):
That's the way. And his lifelong passion was to recreate
the Philadelphia experiment in a small way, you know, using
miniature ships. And he said he was able to do that.
So he you know, now, did I see it? No,
you know, I'm just I was just I just got
his story and it's on the CD. You could listen

(01:41:29):
to it. And oh, By the way, I don't sell
these anymore, but if you have some listeners that would
like to hear these, you feel free to just forward
that link that I sent you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
And I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
Yeah, sure, just and and you know, say goodbye to
the next couple of weeks of your life. So so doctor,
doctor Korum, he was a pleasure to speak to.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
I like, Yeah, so many of these I heard mostly
on Art Show and some of the early George Norrie shows.
I won't discuss the current format, but that's.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
You know, yeah, what you mean. There were so many
of these.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
Uh, these these topics, these subjects and the people that
were still around back then, and now so many of
them are gone. So interviews like yours are worth their
weight and gold, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Yeah, and I never meant that, I just I was
just trying to experiment with a better way to drive
to work that wasn't full of advertising. And little did
I know that I would I'd be dropped right in
the middle of one of the most interesting stories.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
Around, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Yeah, and even to this day it's still people are
still interested in it. But you know, I've I've gone
back and I've I've re listened to some of these.
There was one fella who talked about being a super soldier,
and you know, he talked about these gold vats where
they would incubate bodies and then inject souls into them,

(01:43:18):
and that was done in New Orleans in that area.
But these, you know, these people that I talked to,
you know, I never paid any of them. Yeah I
did with al. I mean, we shared the revenue. But
you know I didn't say, oh, come on and and
I'll pay you for your story. They just felt that

(01:43:40):
they wanted to say it. They wanted I guess they did.
They felt like it was just they didn't like holding
it inside. Yeah, I'll say, you know, and they were
looking to me to be a you know, a safe
place to tell the story. I think with Jimmy Paine,

(01:44:02):
he's looking for the same thing as well, you know,
a good structured So with the challenge is coming up
with a structured format so that story doesn't just run
off the rails and then you don't even know what
the heck you asked? What question did you ask? And

(01:44:24):
I was getting that problem in the beginning because it
was just so damn complicated. So I will say, like
Phil Schneider. Okay, what's coming back to me now is
the memory that he was a geologist. Yeah, that was
his profession, geologist. But I remember he would in his

(01:44:47):
presentations he would talk about what his dad was involved
in it. And apparently at the end of World War
Two there was a lot of atomic bomb testing in
the Pacific Ocean. Uh huh, you know the atmosphere. Yeah,
and then part of that was really to bring down extraterrestrials.

(01:45:11):
That makes sense, and apparently they were very successful in it.
So a lot of these they'd blow up a bomb,
they'd see the ET craft and they noted where it fell,
and they'd go and retrieve it. So that's where they
got a lot of these craft from.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
Yeah, well, I know Bob says, what there's nine at
S four.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
I don't know he said that, but I'm sure we
have a lot more than nine. Yeah, and so yeah,
they're different ones. So imagine, yeah, imagine you know nine.
I mean, I think this world here is visited by
quite a few different ets. You know that we're just
one piece of a big puzzle or a big picture. Yeah,

(01:45:57):
And I think once we see it, it's not going
to be any surprise to any of us. The only
surprise is going to be is why was it hidden
from us for so long?

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
Well, it seems to think that we don't have the
ability to comprehend things.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Well, I don't think they think we're stupid. I think
they don't have a choice, right, It's it's sort of
like if we did know everything, maybe the general consensuses,
you know, for the few that want to control the many,
it wouldn't be good for them.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
So trying to remember any more, you know, Montague Philadelphia
experiments stories. I think the one that hit me the
hardest was that files guy. He claimed that he shot
the bullet that killed Kennedy for him to just you know,
he was asked by the interviewer about his childhood, and

(01:46:57):
then when he said that he was trained as a
kid mon talk as a mon talk boy, and if
I remember, there was like one hundred and twenty eight
of them, I think that that was the number he used,
and you know, only ten of them made it. The
rest of them died. Yeah, just out of nowhere, Like

(01:47:17):
that was such a random thing that had a pretty
big impact on me. And then to say that he
doesn't believe he was incubated. He doesn't know who his
father was. And thatsides with the interview I did with
the super soldier guy who said that's how they create
super soldiers. So it was just so random, out of

(01:47:39):
the blue and bloom there.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
It is not really clone. But is it made?

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
Yeah, yeah, I don't Yeah, I don't know if cloning
is the word incubated. Yeah, I think that's what it is, incubated.
So now's the time if you have anybody with questions.
Is that possible?

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Yeah, I'm monitoring chat so they can also ask there,
but they can also log into the discord and ask
you directly if they haven't got tired of listen to
my stupid dog mark and left. If my wife was here,
she would have taken care of those issues. But like

(01:48:21):
I say, right now, she's visiting relatives.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
I can barely hear your dogs, so we're good.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
I've got quite a bit of noise canceling on this mic,
so hopefully it's taken out most of it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
It says noise suppression by power by crisp Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
Yeah on discord, Yeah, but I use a different one
on obs for the streaming and it's pretty tight.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
I don't want to click any buttons on this Discord.
So this is officially the first time I have used Discord,
and it went pretty well.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
Yeah, that receiving on you may have been on my end.
I had something else running on a different computer system
that may have slowed things down. But I've got fiber
here and it's like one thousand megabod per second or
something of that effect.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
Right, So you have fiber optic, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
Oh, I wouldn't try this any other way. I used
to use hughes net. They didn't have fiber ran out
here before then, and that was just excruciatingly painfully satellite
communications with a with a latency link.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
Arlenk can do it. Though. You've got really good up
and down. I think you could have this. It's just
as good as fiber optic.

Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
Yeah. Well, I think hughes Net has swapped over to
them since I went to fiber. But I'm really pleased
with fiber.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
It's oh yeah, it's expensive though.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
For oursians isn't too awful bad. It's a little over
one hundred a month.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
I think yours must be subsidized. Do you live in
a rural area.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Yeah, I'm out about as far out in the middle
of nothing as you can get.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
Yeah, you have a subsidize, I'm like three hundred bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
Okay. Now, we had a tornado come through a few
months ago and it wiped everything out. Were without power
and internet for a number of days. Wow, it missed
us good by about an eighth of a mile.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
Otherwise you wouldn't have a house. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
Yeah, we were in a shelter. We've got a storm shelter,
and we went straight to it. But the way it sounded,
you could hear it pass by, and I was concerned
to come out and find a house gone.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
So wow, yeah, that'd be a bad day. Yeah, eighth
of a mile is not much.

Speaker 1 (01:50:52):
No, you could hear it and you could hear the destruction.
It hit a neighbor close to me that has a
cattle farm and it took out a couple of barns,
and the trees in that area would just look like
somebody just took their hand and just swiped them all
down in one direction. So wow, they cleaned that up.

(01:51:15):
So now they have more pasture area.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
So did do you ever come across the subject of
Kim Trail's or harp Harp.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
Yes, as matter of fact, I found that subject really interesting.
And yeah, I'm familiar with kim trails in the fact,
I was watching something on that yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
Have you interviewed anybody on either one of those two subjects.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
No, I'm trying to get a fellow that did the
book Angels Don't play this Harp. I would like to
have him back on and see if he has any
new information. Plus he's written some books about other topics
that I would like to discuss with him.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
Okay, so no luck yet yet.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
Trying to uh, trying to get in touch with them
still huh.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
Yeah. So the camp trails are bizarre to me because
you know where I live in Atlanta, I mean I
see them all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
Yeah, we do here.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Yes, what what is your theory on cam trails?

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
Well, it's it's not regular contrails because contrails eventually evaporate
and go, but the kim trails just seem to keep
spreading out. So the spying something and the crisscrossed.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
Yeah, like why would you crisscross like that if you're
you know, if it's a regular flight. Yeah, So whatever
it is, it's extremely expensive to put that much stuff
up there it is, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:52:47):
You ask the question, what are they putting up there?

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
We got enough pollutants in the atmosphere of don't need
something else sprayed.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
Yeah, but obviously somebody he does feel we need it.
It's got a multi billion dollar thing apparently. I mean
I've seen pictures of these planes that are doing it.
Have you seen him?

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
I mean, I've seen the spray devices that they mount. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
Yeah. So I've heard different things from yeah, you know,
so that we could transmit data. You're building a big
data grid, so that that was one thing that one
person said. The other was something about changing the atmosphere

(01:53:50):
so that it would be more habitable to ets when
they come here and live with us.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
I've heard that one.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
Okay, So have you ever listened to any channeled etis? No,
I haven't nobody. I mean it's a whole slew of
I mean, you pick anybody and somebody channels them. So yeah,
I've listened to a lot of them, a whole lot

(01:54:19):
of them. I mean, in the beginning, I listened to
a lady named Barbara Marciniac and che channel leadians, and
you know, it was it was interesting and useful to
listen to what they had to say if that was them. Yeah,
and to you know, because we're always trying to figure

(01:54:42):
out where do we come from and what's our history
and what else is out there? So you know, there's
a whole group of things Pleadians and Syrians and Zeta reticularize,
and the tall grades, the small grays, and then there's
also in another interesting group called the mantis people. Yeah, insectoids. Yeah,

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a lot of people talk about them as being the
overseers of everything. So I haven't met one yet, but
that's an interesting takes.

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
Yeah, I haven't met any yet, but I'm open.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
I feel like I'm the only one that hasn't met
an alien or seen seeing a UFO.

Speaker 1 (01:55:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
I mean, I talk to these people all the time.
Is you know, it's it's a common experience for them.
Now I better not say that because I'll probably have
one come wake me up tonight. But you know, I
just I haven't experienced.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
That, Yeah, nor have I. Yeah, I'm open minded.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
Well that's why we're talking right most definitely, you know,
we're just open minded. We're just throwing it out there
and just seeing how people react to it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Yeah, no questions yet. I apologize for that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
Well, you're just getting your program started now.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
Right, Yeah, yeah, it's it's really new, but I hope
it takes off. And I'm going to check on the
that X stuff you were talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
Yeah, I mean it worked, so I think if you
if you push it out there, and the trick is
to use the right hashtags so that people if they're
looking for that information, they can quickly see find it. Yeah,
I use it. But I was just shocked that you

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got that many people. And some of the people, I mean,
they were good. They asked some really good questions. I
was surprised at the Montak questions. Yeah, the level of
knowledge far exceeded what I had.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
Well, let me ask you this, where they are people
in their thirties, over thirties or younger that seemed to
be asking the questions. I don't know, you can't see them,
but just listening to their.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
Voice, I would say their thirties and forties. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
Yeah, if I was a guest, it seems like the
younger generation is more interested in TikTok videos.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
There's a bunch who are you know. I understand that, Yeah,
but there really is a hardcore group of people that
just want to get right to it. Yeah, And I
mean and they will study mon talk like nobody's business.
And it's too bad that most of the people have passed.

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I think Peter Moon, you know, was a you know,
we didn't use him enough. I don't think, yeah, to
get this real because he was so close to all
of them, So, you know, too bad on that. Do
you know much about Peter Moon at all?

Speaker 1 (01:57:58):
No, But after we're done, I'm going to look him up.

Speaker 2 (01:58:02):
Well he's dead.

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
Yeah, Well, I mean I'm going to look up his
his anything that he's you know, any interviews or whatever
that he's done.

Speaker 2 (01:58:14):
Someone there's someone YouTube. So he wrote the book. He
worked to deal out with mostly Presston. I think, yeah,
to you know, sit down with him, interview him and
write a book. And they sold the books together. I
think he had six or seven books on on Top

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and the Philadelphia Experiment. Now, according to our good friend
Jimmy Paine, Peter Moon was a scientologist. So I'm not
a big fan of those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
Well, yeah, I'll agree with you there. I don't want
to offend anyone, but.

Speaker 2 (01:59:03):
Yeah, well I don't mind offending them. I think they
they need to pick something different to do.

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
Yeah, well, we've been on for two hours and I
know it's late your time. It's nine there, so.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
I think we're good. I don't know if there's anything
else we can talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:59:20):
Yes, sir, but I do appreciate you being on, and
perhaps in the future I could have you on with
the other guests, maybe two or three guests, to discuss
some of these same subjects get different inputs.

Speaker 2 (01:59:35):
Yeah, I think it's good to have that banter back
and forth.

Speaker 1 (01:59:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
But so where I want to encourage you is that
Jimmy Payne. I think that would be a good next
step for you and you two may be neighbors.

Speaker 1 (01:59:53):
I don't know it's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
I think he was out in the middle of nowhere too,
but he's got an interesting story. A lot of it
is bizarre and maybe completely unbelievable. But I think it's
good to just get it out there, let him tell it,
you know, frame it up for him, and then let

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the listener decide whether they believe it or not. I
don't think that's up to us to make that judgment.
I think my job, and maybe your job, is just
to provide that format so that the story could be
laid out in a clear way so people can understand
it better, which.

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
Is my primary goal here is, you know, get the
information out there and then people can run with it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
Yeah, and unfortunately our belt made that seem also easy.
It's just not to do this for three hours every night.
Hats off to that man. Yes, he was, call him
the Mozart of late night radio.

Speaker 1 (02:01:03):
Definitely.

Speaker 2 (02:01:05):
Yeah. He was never born never never. I mean I
can remember just listening no matter what it was about
any subject. He was never boring.

Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
Yeah. If he did have a guest on that didn't
work with him, he had no problems letting them go.

Speaker 2 (02:01:27):
So yeah he would and sometimes he would just talk, wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
He Or he'd open lines and take calls.

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
Open lines, that was it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, see
that's what worked.

Speaker 1 (02:01:40):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:01:41):
See. So if we can get more open lines into
your format, I think it would work really well because
there's listen, there's there's a lot of people that want
to talk about this stuff with someone with some experience.
It's just a matter of you know, letting them connecting
everybody right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
And I say, starting out, there's some equipment that I
I really need to get right, but financially it's going
to take a little time.

Speaker 2 (02:02:12):
Well so in the future you're going to be rich.
I doubt that. So Okay, well, I think we've done.
We've covered it all. We'll do some more later, but
I think we're good for now.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
Well, thank you, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:02:29):
Anything else, all right, you're welcome, and.

Speaker 1 (02:02:32):
I'll uh, i'll be looking for your email, yes, sir,
all right, thank.

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
You, good talking YouTube, Bye bye, good evening, bye bye

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s day the day.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
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