Paul Seaburn Friday August 1st 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
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(00:40):
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Speaker 4 (00:55):
Grown from the hills of northeast Arkansas. I'm Carl Richardson
and this is Midnight Frequency Radio. Our guest this evening
is Paul Seburn. Mister Seburns journey to paranormal newswriting followed
a career in tech support, management and sales for computer
startup industries. His lifelong love of comedy led him to
stand up, but his writing talent ultimately resulted in a

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second career, pinning jokes for The Tonight Show with Jay
Leno and other TV shows, as well as contributing to
numerous humor, trivia and puzzle collections. He brought his writing
and humor skills to the paranormal and strange news world
at mysterious universe, where he aimed to combine the roles
of Robert Ripley and Johnny Carson. Mister Seburns's latest book,

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What Would You Say To a Nicked Space Alien, is
available for purchase on platforms like Amazon and eBay. Good evening,
missus seburn and welcome to Midnight Frequency Radio.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Well, hi, Carl, thank you so much for having me on.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
How did you go from computer technology to writing comedy?

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Oh? Geez, you get right into it, don't You don't
beat around the bush here on Midnight Frequency. Okay, let
me grag gather my thoughts here. I I'll tell you what.
I'll take you back before that? How's that? I'll extend

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that question to another one I get asked frequently is uh,
you know when did you get into the parent interested
in the paranormal world? Because that happened before the computer part.
And I blame my mom on that. The you know,
when I was a little kid, like all little kids you,
my mom would take me to the grocery store and uh,

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you know it's uh for when you're a little kid,
there's one thing you want at the grocery store and
that's cereal. And once your mom gets to cereal, then
you want to leave, So so it's a it's a
torture to most of us. The only thing that's saved
us was at the checkout counter while you're waiting for

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your mom to check everything out, that was the candy
candy display over there, and most kids beg for candy. I,
on the other hand, looked at the other side of
the aisle, and on that side were the uh. The
these cool newspapers with with pictures on them and headlines

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saying things like President sees Ufo over White House, invites
aliens to the West Wing, or uh, Elvis performs on Venus,
And I thought, boy, those are cool. That's what I want.
The heck with the candy, I want to read that
so that you know I would I would hand it

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to my mom and uh, you know, she'd shake her head.
The poor ladies standing in line behind me, would you know,
they'd hide their faces the uh. And of course my
mom blamed it on my dad. You know, it comes
from his side of the family. So my interest in
the paranormal goes all the way back to Weekly World News,

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the original National Enquirer, those other tabloids that were sold
at the grocery stores back in the old days. I
graduated to Ripley's Believe It or Not. I used to
read the comics and my favorite comic, and unlike other
kids who read Charlie Brown and those normal comics, I

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preferred the Ripley's Believe It or Not column. I know,
you remember that, especially on Sundays, there would be almost
a full page of things from Robert Ripley, things that
he found in his world travels and that he drew.

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It was a he was a world explorer and also
a great cartoonist, and he would draw instead of taking
photos of these things. You know, this strange and unusual.
You know, I'm sure he dabbled in cryptids, and but
he also wrote about, you know, people who survived having
a crowbar through their head or that sort of thing.

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So obviously I was a strange little boy who liked
that kind of stuff, and and uh, you know that
was that was a wonderful world for me. Unfortunately, I
went to a Catholic school and the nuns frowned upon
bringing books like that to school, so I stuck with
the standard curriculum and sixteen years of Catholic school. By

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the way, Carl So took me about sixteen years worth
of therapy to get past that. But but I did,
and the you know, did well in school. I enjoyed
math and as I got into high school back in

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back in the day that I was in high school,
we were still in the punch card days of computers,
punch cards and tapes. My high school in Cleveland, Ohio
was the first in the city to have a computer program.
We had we had a deal with one of the
big businesses in town, Union Carbte, big battery company back

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in the in the day. Uh they would allow the
geeky little kids to use their computer. We would. We
would go to another school, punch punch our cards, punch
our programs, take them to Union Carbine on Saturday, run
the programs, find out what we did wrong, and come
back the following week. So, uh that's how I got

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into the computer business, which led me to a school
in town, John Ciro University, which had the only computer
program at the time in in Cleveland, probably in Ohio
by at that time.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
And uh.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
So that that became my major. I majored in math
with with an emphasis on computer science and got out
which it was was fortunate enough to be hired by
two at that time of the fastest growing computer manufacturers
in the country. And uh so so I had. I

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had a nice career in in the computer field. I did.
I did quite a few things, uh technical support, I
was a trainer. I was in sales marketing management.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
UH.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
And that that's where the the comedy site started to arise.
The the fact that I spent a lot of time
in front of other people either either selling computers, giving classes,
giving talks on on uh the different things we were

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offering at that time. And I like to use humor
in my talks. I learned from a good salesman. He
said humor cells. I said, okay, all right, and I
wrote that down. I knew that would come in handy someday.
And I ended up being transferred to Houston, Texas. And
Houston at that time with the hotbed of comedy there

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were there were comedy clubs all over the place. This
was in the early to mid eighties, the boom of comedy.
And I loved going to comedy clubs. That was my
favorite thing to do in the in the off hours.
And one of the one of the clubs had a
an ad for a class on how to write comedy,

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and I thought, well, that's good. You know, maybe there's
something I can use on the jobs and then I
can write it off. So I took the class, and
the the graduation of the class was to perform the
five minutes worth of material that you learned how to
write in the class. So they they on an off

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night at the comedy club. We invited all of our
friends and put on a show and I got some laughs.
I had a good time. You'll hear comedians say how
addicting it is to to get on stage and tell jokes,
and it really is. It's a it's a fun thing
to do. It's also terrifying, absolutely terrifying, but it's so

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addictive that you just keep going back and doing it.
So that became my hobby and it was it was fun.
The I started getting booked, actually was getting paid to
perform comedy. The tough part, though, Carl, was that I
was still selling computers during the day. I had, you know,

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I had two car payments, I had a big mortgage payment.
My wife liked to go, like to travel. Comedy doesn't
pay that kind of money, so I had to keep
that that computer job and it was tough. It was
tough to go drive two or three hours to Waco,
Texas or someplace out out out in the middle of nowhere,

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perform at a comedy club and a and a smoky,
smokey old bar, drive home, get up the next morning
and go to work. So a nice, a nice comedian
that I opened for, by the name of Diana Jordan
said it took me by by it to her side

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one night and said, she said, you know this, this
is called stand up comedy, and you're much better at
comedy than you are at stand up. Why don't you
stick with the writing and I'll hire you to be
a writer for me. And I thought, wow, Actually I didn't.
I didn't know anybody did that. So she had. She

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was doing doing pretty well at the time, so she
put me on retainer, which meant that she paid me
a certain amount of money every month. And I wrote
a bunch of jokes for and blew out to La
a couple of times to work with her on some projects.
And that became a bigger, almost a part time job

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at that time, which was a good thing because all
of a sudden, the company that I was working for
was no longer a high flying computer company that it
once was, and they began laying people off. So by
that time I had expanded my comedy business. I had
heard that Jay Leno was going to be working taking

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over on Monday Nights or Johnny Carson on the Tonight Show.
So this was in the mid to late eighties. Johnny
was working four days a week and he wanted to
cut back to three and so that left Mondays open.
And Jay was a regular on the show, so they
hired him to be the Monday, the permanent Monday Night host.

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And a friend of mine called me up and said
he's looking for writers. You know you'd be perfect. So
this was to tell you how how long ago this was.
I got my dot Matrix printer and I pointed out
a bunch of jokes. Put him in the mail in
the mail car. You remember the mail?

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Oh yeah, snail mail?

Speaker 5 (12:25):
What a snail mail? After I put a stamp on
the envelope and mailed it off to the Tonight Show,
and a couple of weeks later, I got a phone call. Actually,
i'll tell you the longer version of this story. I
was on vacation and my wife's best friend was dog
sitting for us, and she got the phone call and

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she picks it up and she and she hears, Hi,
this is Jay Leno. Is Paul there? And she says,
who is this really? Because she thought it was one
of my friends who does impressions pull out a prank
at her. So he convinced her. He gave her his
phone number, and when I got back, I called him
up and he said, no, I like your jokes. I

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want to hire you for writing monologues for me from
Monday nights. Here's my facts number. You remember factxes. Oh yeah,
So that's how I sent them. There were no Internet
back in those days, so Sunday nights I would or
early Mondays, depending on, you know, what the news was.

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I would facts pages of jokes to Jay and he
and his head writer would go through them, and that
night he would perform some of them on the show.
So that's how I became a writer for Jay Leno's
Tonight Show. I worked for him the four years that
he was on Monday Nights and then for six more

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years when he became the permanent host of the Tonight Show.
Great guy, he really really a gentleman. He's helped many
people in the in the comedy business. We all talk
about it. All of the writers who have worked for him,
we keep in touch. And Uh, just just a great

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person and a very funny guy. I wish he was
still on TV. He still performs, but not but not
on television. So what that That opened a lot of
doors for me, and I started writing for some other
people who people you you may know of. You're about
the same age, about the right age, Rich little, Yes

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that worked for Rich. I worked for Joan Rivers for
a while. Uh, worked for Yakov Smirnoff the Russian comedy
and number of people that that that were mid level
in comedy. Uh. I like to work for people who
looked like they were going to get a sitcom. So
I ended up working for guy but anyway, Rich Jenny,

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who sadly took his life a few years ago. But
during that when I worked with him, we worked on
two sitcom pilots, neither of which became sitcoms. But that's
the name of the game in the comedy world. So
and I worked for a guy by the name of
Taylor Mason, a good friend of mine. Now we He's

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a ventriloquist, a musician and a comedian and We always
talked about doing a children's show together. And one night,
three o'clock in the morning, I get a phone call
and he says, he says, Paul, I got a live one.
Get all of our scripts together, clean them up and
send them to me. And we ended up getting hired

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to do a sitcom called Taylor's Attic, which was had
one human being on at Taylor and a bunch of puppets.
So we had a bunch of puppeteers Leanne underneath the
floor in a in a what what looked like an
attic in Columbus, Ohio. That was where the studio was.
And uh, that's what we would do. We we'd uh.

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I wrote the I wrote the scripts, I wrote the songs.
Taylor did the music, and of course he was the performer.
What a great time that was, Carl. It was so
much fun doing a a children's show, and it was
it was not a Christian network. The network was the
Inspirational Network it was called. But they didn't want any

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biblical stuff they wanted to They just wanted it to
be a family show. Yeah, we we got to do
all kind of crazy stuff and and had a good time.
A couple of you know, kind of dabbling into the
dipping into the paranormal world. I think one of our
puppets was a dust ball. We had a roach, a

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talking roach, a bunch of mice that lived in a
cuckoo clock. So I was I was going into dimensional
with these kids without them really knowing about it, knowing
what they would what what they were being exposed to.
But but we had a blast. So I've written for

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just about anything that that uh is funny in the
comedy world. I've done greeting cards, bumper stickers, t shirts, slogans.
My name can be found in a lot of gift
books at card shops. Uh uh, you know, books like
fifty Uses for Your Dog, fifty Uses for your Cat.

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I was a writer for Uncle John's Bathroom Reader, the
leading the leaders in bathroom books. They're they're not They're
not quite as popular as they used to because now
people take their phones into the bathroom. But back in
the day, uh, many times you would go to visit
somebody and use their guest bathroom, and in the bathroom

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there would be an Uncle John's Bathroom Reader. Yeah withous
you know, trivia stories, unusual stories as Jeff Goldblum like
to say in the Big Chill. He was a writer
for People magazine in the Big Chill, and he said,
my articles had all had one thing in common. They

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were the length of the average crap. And that's pretty
much what my articles were for Uncle John's bathroom readers.
So I got I got into the groove of writing
a short, tight copy for what I ended up doing
when I moved back to Cleveland, Ohio. So I moved

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back to Cleveland in twenty ten, and right about the
time that some of my comedy jobs fell by the wayside,
and I was looking for some things to do. And
I was contacted by these two guys down in Australia
who had seen some work I did for a company
called The Rocket Boom, which was a comedy news service

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out of New York, and they were looking for someone
to do the same thing for their website, but with
a twist. And I said, well, what's the twist. Well,
the name of the site was a Mysterious Universe, and
what they were looking for was someone to write about
news stories in the paranormal world, so things about news

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about UFO sightings, alien encounters, abductions, bigfoot, Cryptied's troop of cabras, ghosts,
you name it. So I've always had an interest in that.
I'm a news junkie and I don't care if it's
you know what, regular news, business news, paranormal news. I'll

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read anything. So I said, sure, you know, let's pay
me in American money, because they were in Australia. I said,
as long as you pay me in a American money
and pay me on time, let's see how it goes.
And I figured I'd do that for a little while
and I find another job back in the in the
comedy world, and I had such a good time and

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it was so well received that I'm still writing for
a Mysterious Universe today. Good almost ten years now. I'm
the editor of the website, the head writer. I think,
I think I'm the longest tenured writer today. And I
just love it. You know, it's Carl you know the business,

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it's it's so much fun. There's so many things happening.
It takes it. It's a great way to get away
from the from the bad news in the world today.
That's that's one of the reasons why I love working
in the paranormal world. You know, we can we can
talk about conspiracies, just like in the in the mainstream media.

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But there's so many other things to talk about that
are just so much fun. It's so interesting thing. You know,
the stories take you around the world, they take you
around the universe. And the best part is, you know,
the two guys at Mysterious Universe. Now I can't remember
our names, Aaron and.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
You sound like me. I'm getting part timers or something.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
There you go, Aaron and Ben. Aaron and Ben are
very funny guys. They have their own podcasts, and so
they gave me a chance to put as much humor
as I felt comfortable with in my articles without without
making fun of anybody. That's the thing that I had
to work the hardest at, right right at the beginning,

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is to make sure that the humor, if it, I
try to make it about me or or about the situation,
never about the the the people that are involved. And uh,
that's worked out well. You know. I think I've got
a reputation in in the paranormal world for being a funny,

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funny writer who covers an awful lot of things and.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
The So.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
I think I answered your question or did I?

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, I think you did. When it comes to what
would you ask the Naked Space Alien? What was your
inspiration for that book?

Speaker 5 (22:26):
Oh? That's it. That's okay, So that's a good we're
right at the right spot that talk about that. The Ah,
you know, I I like all the stories that that
that I get a chance to write about. I'm mysterious universe.
I lean towards the UFOs and the aliens the most.

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I really enjoy those because they cover they cover science,
and they cover space, the and and there. They're they're worldwide.
You know, Bigot, for example, is pretty much limited to
the United States or North America. The Lockness Monster, of
course is Lockness. Uh so, so UFOs are everywhere. UFOs

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and aliens are everywhere. That's one reason why I liked it.
The second reason is that there's just so many There's
there's so much variety in it. There's a variety in
the in the types of craft that people see. But
even more so, I really like the alien encounters because
there's there's so much more variety, you know. There there's

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so many different alien types that people see and and
you name it. You know, there's one of the one
of the the problems I always had was that the
one who gets the most publicity is the gray the
gray aliens. Those are the ones we see the most.

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We see gray aliens the most, and then we see
the evil you know, predator type. Yeah. That so they're
either killers or their little skinny, skinny beings with big heads.
Those are the ones that everybody thinks about. But as I,
as I did research for the Serious Universe, I found

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that there were so many other stories to talk about,
and one of them, one of my favorites, was a
young a young man he was seventeen years old, and
I believes in Georgia. He had I lived on his
parents' farm in Georgia, and he's out out in the

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field one day and a flank saucer of some sort
of ship lands in the field and he watches the
door opens up and a female alien comes out, and
he describes her in his account. He says, she has
a human like body, a very very shapely human like body,

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with an alien head, you know, with the standard large head,
almond eyes type of head. And she comes down, you know,
she comes down to him, and he feels an he
feels a connection with her of some sort, and apparently
she feels a connection with him. As well, because she

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proceeds to take her clothes off. Now, you know, he's
a young guy, seventeen years old. I believe he had
one thing on his mind at that point, and he
wasn't looking in her head, like we'll keep don't worry, Carl,
we'll keep it clean. We will clean. But they ended
up they ended up doing what you would expect them

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to do, and he ended up he and she. I
think I think he called her Crystal. I think that's
what that was the name he gave her. They ended
up having fifty hybrid children, alien half human children. Uh.
He was a good father, according to his account. You know,

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he he had his children at the farm he had
he went to visit them on the spaceship. He went
back to his his uh I guess spouse. I don't
think they ever married, but his his ladies, his alien
ladies home planet, and they had they they had a
life together for a number of years now. So so

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he wanted to tell the world about this, and you know,
they wouldn't let him take any pictures. The there were
there were male aliens there as well. The male aliens
were typical gray, short, shorter, smaller, not not in you know,
not the kind of males that you would expect to

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be with the shapely female alien that he fell in
love with. So he would go to UFO clubs and
organizations around his area and talk about what, you know,
what his life and very you know, met with extreme skepticism,
as you might guess. So he wanted to take some

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pictures and she said, no, we can't let you take pictures.
And he said, well, I know how to draw, I
know how to paint. And after you explain to her
not like painting a house, but painting pictures, she said okay.
So he proceeded to paint pictures of.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Her.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
He painted pictures of them making more babies. So they
were definitely paintings of the erotic type that you might
see in Playboy magazine back in the old days. Also
paintings of the male aliens, and he took them around.
Well you know this is even this drew more skepticism.

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You know, nobody believed this. So he was desperate and
around around the around twenty fourteen fifteen, I believe a
documentary film company and uh he encountered a documentary film
company and convinced them to do a documentary on him

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and the it was called Loving Saucers. Was the name
of it? A great name, great name, great name for
a too, Loving saucers, you know, like Peaches and herb
you remember them, so love and Saucers. And uh again
it was all about the paintings and about his story.
They were not allowed to film the aliens, but so

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they produced it and and I found out about it
while I was, uh, you know, during doing research from
a serious universe, and I wrote, I wrote an article
about them again, you know, a serious article. I don't
know that you know the truth or for all you
know the I had no, I had no evidence of

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it than the paintings in his account. So they the
the documentary producer was nice enough to contact me and
thank me for doing a straight article, because he said
most of the people who were writing about it were
either skeptical or made fun of the whole thing. And
I said, you know, I didn't want to do that,

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I said, but it really is a funny story. Yeah,
And I said, someday, I'm going to figure out a
way to tell that story again in a funnier fashion
as soon as I once I figure it out. And
I began collecting stories like that the not all of

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the sexual nature, you know a lot of the I'll
give you another example and then i'll tell you how
I ended up with the angle for the book. So
one of another one of my favorites is the Micheline
Man alien. Have you heard of the Micheline man alien.
This was This is from France, which is just coincidentally

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where the Michelin Tire company was out it. And this guy,
he was he was out in you know, out and
about somewhere in France, and you know, here, here's here's noises,
and comes upon a spaceship and out from the spaceship
come I believe he saw two aliens, a large one

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in a small one shaped like the Michelin man, the
Michelin entire man, which which is basically a cartoonish man
made out of stacks of tires, and that's what it
looked like. So he, you know, he there wasn't much
to the story that that I can remember. I think

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they took off. He didn't have much of an encounter,
and I figured that was the only one I would find.
And sure enough, as I was doing research this this
type of alien, this Micheline Man alien, was also seen
in Brazil and it was seen in the United States.
So it's not a you know, it's it's not a
one off. It's it's one that had the possibility of being,

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you know, another type of alien. So so that was
another good one. I thought, Oh, this is this is
another one I got to put in a file. So
I finally came up with the angle Carl, the I thought.
I went back to the naked alien, and I said,
you know, what would happen if that happened to me.
If I'm out in my backyard in Cleveland, Ohio, and

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a spaceship lands down there, and a and a shapely
female alien comes out and stands before me and takes
her clothes off, what would I do? What would you do? Carl?

Speaker 4 (31:41):
I don't know. I'm at the age where I don't
have the ability to do a whole lot.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
So you know, the first the first thing I would say,
I would, I would I would I would look behind
me to see if my wife was looking out the window.
That's the first thing I would do. But you know,
then I thought, being my age, it would depend on

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what age that happened to me. You know, if I
if it happened to me today, The first thing I
would probably say, is is your mom on board? Or
make your grandmother? You know it's a Is she a
cougar dose? Does your does your planet have cougar aliens?
If I'm seventeen, you know, I'm like, I'm like the
road Runner in the cartoon. I'm zipping up the stairs

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of that spaceship with a cloud of dust behind me
and clothing spraying in the breeze behind me that I
can't wait. So so that so that was my that
that became the premise for my for my book, what
would you say to a naked space alien? I tried
to put myself into these alien situations and and and

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in that way put the reader into that situation at all.
I try to challenge people who are reading a book,
what would you do if you were in that situation?
What would you do if this, if this kind of
alien appeared to you and they're all friendly. That's the
other thing I wanted to emphasize in in my in

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my stories is that we spend so much time in
the in the UH, in our business UH and and
even in the mainstream media unfortunately, and in and in entertainment,
focusing on the the evil destructive space aliens, you know,
because that's what sells that what sells uh movies and

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that's what sells you know, newspapers and cables shows is uh,
you know, the the bad versions of these stories. To me,
you know, we we all, if if you believe in
the big Bank theory, we all even we all go
back far enough, came from the same little blob. So

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I'm hoping that there's aliens that have a sense of humor,
aliens that are friendly, aliens that are looking to spread
joy and music around the world, not around the universe,
not conquer everybody. So so again, those are the kinds
of stories that I looked for as well. So so

(34:20):
the you know, the the michelin Man. The first thing
I would say is, you know, I'd be really concerned,
and I'd ask them, you know, you look like you're
under a lot of pressure. You know, can maybe maybe
maybe you want to let out a little bit of
air or or you know, if I might ask them

(34:41):
if they know anything about inflation, because we've got we've
got a real serious inflation problem in this country right now.
Something like that, something to to to to lighten the
tone with the you know, with with whatever the alien
might be. So that's how I came up with it.
Carl the uh and and I had no problem finding

(35:07):
enough stories to fill a book, and I've I've since
collected enough to to begin work on a sequel, uh
even more naked Alien. I'm not sure what I'm gonna
call it yet, but that's uh so so so that's
where the idea for the book came.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
From, basically right into a movie. I think.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
I'll tell you what, if there's anybody in Hollywood listening,
I'll send you my number. I'd be more than happy
to do. I'd love to do a cable show. I
think it'd be uh, it'd be a fun show show
or a podcast. I don't, I don't know, I'm not
I'm not sure what what platform is best anymore. But

(35:48):
obviously you know I've my my hope is that aliens again.
Because I believe in the Big Bang theory. I believe
we all came from that same blob. So so there's
an essence of that blob in all of us, and
I hope it's the good essence. It's the humorous, it's

(36:10):
the loving, it's the musical kind of essence that is
shared and that means that that you know, those beings
that are more advanced than we are and are getting
out and visiting other planets are doing it for fun.
They're doing it as a vacation. They're doing it to huh,

(36:33):
detest cry new food, you know, stay in new places,
not to conquer every every planet that they can find.
They're not all vulcans or romulents. They're they're they're nice beings.
So that I hope to promote that as well. Uh,
for for people to be open, for us humans to

(36:56):
be open if you do have some sort of an encounter,
you know it, we shouldn't be fearful. We should our
first response if if if we're in that situation should
not be fair. It should be openness, because, boy, you've
been chosen. If you're you know, if you're you're a
person who is having an alien encounter, you've been chosen.

(37:19):
I don't think it's luck. So my my goal is
to prepare people to to be for that encounter to
be a close encounter of the fun kind. And that's
so so that's how that happened. Thought about Carl, yet,

(37:41):
did you come up to do you know you know
you've had a chance now to listen. What would you
say to a naked alien?

Speaker 4 (37:47):
I don't know, as you just fly by Earth locked
your doors.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
That's my recommendation. We're at the bottom of the first hour,
a little past it, but that's fine, and I'll do
the first break and then we'll be back in approximately
five minutes. All right, thank you, sir.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
I never believed.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
I couldn't see a set of budgets, feeling how could
it be?

Speaker 5 (38:32):
No, No mentioned it happened to me. Then I saw you.

Speaker 6 (38:39):
I couldn't believe.

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Speaker 4 (43:11):
All right, we'll back with doctor Paul Seaburn discussing his
book What would you say to a niked space alien?
Welcome back up to Seaburn.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
Oh my pleasure, Carl. I like, I like the way
you say naked. That nicked. That's a definite nd. Yeah,
southern naked space alien.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
I don't know you would you would hope if they
do come, but they understand redneck.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
I'm sure that wouldn't that be fun? I think uh,
I think they'd enjoy the southern portion of the United
States probably more. They definitely would get better food in
the southern part of the United States than they would
in the northern part and and and it pains me
to say that, having grown up in Cleveland and and

(44:01):
on good Polish kilbasi and Perogi's and all uh, all
that great Eastern European food. But then I moved to
Texas and I had texts mechs and barbecue, and boy,
oh boy, I think the aliens would go for that.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
I'm part Turkey myself, and I love Myxican food, especially
the if you ever had a chili reno or chili poblano,
they're fantastic.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
Oh they are you name it, Carl that I have.
I still have good friends in Texas and I like
going to see them, and I like going to eat
Mexican food. Those are the two reasons I go back
to Texas. The weathers is well, we don't even want
to talk about the weather the but but yeah, so

(44:45):
you know, if you want to talk about food for
a second. My favorite alien food story is another farmer.
He was in Wisconsin and his story is that a
spaceship landed on this arm in a field. He comes
out and and uh, three aliens came out of the

(45:06):
out of the ship, and they they came to him
and I don't know if they you know, the accounts
don't always say if they spoke or if they telepathically
communicated with him, but they indicated to him that they
would like a bucket of water. So he went in
and he got a bucket of water. Went into the
barn and got a bucket of water, brought it back,

(45:27):
handed it to him. They went back into the ship.
A short time later, they come back out with a
plate of waffles that they had made for him. Played
the waffles. So you know, what does he do? He
takes the waffles, He thanks them, and he ate one.

(45:49):
Then they left. They left. That was the That was
the whole encounter. So you know that one, just I
that one. I loved that one so much because I
I put myself in that position of of you know,
what would you say? What would you say? I certainly
wouldn't turn them down. I might say, you know, don't

(46:09):
they have syrup on your planet? Or eggs? But the
but you know, then I thought, you know, what if if?
What if I what if I convinced them to have
some eggs? You know, don't go, don't go yet. If
you like waffles, let me turn you onto some bacon
and eggs. And if they stay and so then I

(46:34):
have to show them where the eggs come from. Well,
all of a sudden, what am I doing? I'm eating
the embryos of another creature on this planet. They may
not see that the same way we do as a
as a food food product. It would get even worse
when I show them where the bacon came from, or
when I where I got the milk from. You know,

(46:56):
then it becomes cheese. What what kind of relationship do
these Earthlings have here? But you know, to me, that's
the perfect, perfect kind of uh story to illustrate that
that aliens are going to be like us. They're going

(47:16):
to be like us. I think that that's a sign
that if we go to another planet, we're going to
find a waffle house there, because that's what they were
looking for. They were looking for validation that the waffles
that they're making on their planet taste as good as
the ones that they had at waffle House when they
went to visit Earth. So, you know, I think I'm

(47:39):
looking forward to that. I think that would be great.
You know, whether it's the waffle house or an intergalactic
house of pancakes, I don't know. But so according to
the witness, he did say that he called NASA and
they sent people out to to inspect his waffles, and

(48:02):
they took one back with them and ran teste on them,
and they told him that they were made with ingredients
that could be found on Earth. So so that's but
that My answer to that is so what so you know,
they figured out how to duplicate the best waffles in
the universe. Of course they're going to use uh flour

(48:27):
and eggs and and butter or or they're equivalent. That's
just like, that's just like on Earth. So I'm looking
forward to meeting those aliens though. Those are aliens that
that that that that I want to get together with.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Yeah, sounds like my kind. I'm a I'm a waffle
house freak anyway, but they need to be careful. All
they end up with Dollar General stores popping up all
over their planet.

Speaker 5 (48:51):
Wow, or even worse, you know. And I was thinking,
you know what, if you go to waff a house
at three o'clock in the morning, what are you gonna find.
You're gonna find drunk aliens if you're on Mars.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
My local welf of house is close to a college,
so you'd find drunk college students.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
College students. There you go. That's it. So again, you
know you've got to be open. You got to be
open in your encounters the the open, be the cooperative,
be willing to take a chance, the you know. That's

(49:34):
that's what I tell people, and that's what I hope
I would be. I would be like if if, if
I'm the one who's chosen to be the representative of
Earth in the first or maybe not the first, but
in a contact with an alien species?

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Have you had any close encounters yourself or sightings or
you know, I.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Would have put it in the book, Carl, I don't.
I have not. I had one. I tell you, you know,
I get asked that all the time. Bye by the uh,
you know, by by the mainstream.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
You know.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
Have you seen a UFO? That's the one. I'm sure
you hear that one all the time. Have you seen
a UFO? I said? You know, I go out every night,
I look at the start. Within five minutes I'll see
a UFO, an unidentified flying object. Is it a flat
sauce or no? I don't think so. I don't know,
but anybody can see a UFO. A close encounter is

(50:34):
a is a completely different story and the and I'll
tell you what. Okay, that's a good question because that
that leads into uh. I have a couple of stories
in the book about rock Stars, about musicians who have
had encounters with aliens. John Lennon has a very famous

(50:55):
encounter with with with aliens. One one that also about naked.
I'll get to that in a second. All of the
Rolling Stones, except for the drummer Charlie Watts, have had
alien experiences. Jimmy Hendrix had a famous one. Elvis Presley, well,

(51:15):
I'll talk about him in a second. I also had
had meant multiple close encounters. And I mentioned that. The
theme throughout there is I've said it before, I hope
that aliens have music. And that's what because of those stories,
I believe that they do have music. I think that

(51:36):
music may be the the the universal language of of
of living creatures and or intelligent creatures, let's say, and musicians.
I'm not I am I'm a poor keyboard player, an
accordion player. I don't have the the the the Paul

(51:57):
McCartney Jean that that allows people like him and the
musicians I've mentioned before to create such such you know,
beautiful lasting music that influences an entire planet. There's there's
something there, Carls. You know, I I say, you know,

(52:19):
I think that you know, maybe music is another dimension
for us, and musicians have a way to tap into
that dimension. They have a they have a bigger hole
in their psyche than normal people, and they're able to
tap into that dimension. Because you've heard all kinds of
musicians will say I just sat down at the at

(52:40):
the keyboard, or I just sat down with my guitar
and began playing and out came the song. I didn't
I didn't have to do anything, or they dreamt about
a song. Well, you know, I'm saying, be open to
the possibility that music is the Internet is the you know,
the universal language, universal language, and that may be the

(53:02):
way we're going to communicate. So, you know, Elvis Presley,
Elvis Presley, his father, Elvis was born in his house
in Tupelo, Mississippi, and his father saw a flying sauce
or some sort of spaceship above the house as Elvis
and his twin brother Aaron were being born. So to him,

(53:26):
you know, right off the bat, this is there's some
sort of connection between Elvis and Aliens. I believe Elvis.
You know, there's people who believe that Elvis didn't die,
that he went off to another planet, which would have
made him possibly have been brought to Earth on that
night by by that spaceship. But he's had he had

(53:48):
a number of encounters Jimmy John Lennon. John Lennon's famous
encounter occurred in New York when he had separated from
Yoko Ono, which most people would have thought was a
good thing. Maybe it was because maybe the aliens were
supporting it, because he was in New York with his

(54:09):
girlfriend may Pang may Pang was her name, And the
way he puts it, he was in some high rays
hotel and he hears a noise outside, so he goes
out onto the balcony. Now at this point I stop
and I point out that he was naked at the time,
because if you're John Lennon, you can do things like that.

(54:31):
You can go out on the balcony naked and nobody cares.
So the rock star. So he goes out on the
balcony naked, and what he sees is the spaceship hovering
off in the in the very close to his balcony,
with aliens looking back. At him. So he yells into

(54:52):
the you know, into his room. Hey, hey, May, May
come on out here. You got to see this. So
May comes out, and then I stopped the point out
that he this is the girlfriend of a rock star,
so she's also naked because that's the rock star. So
now there's this man and woman standing naked on a

(55:12):
balcony looking at a spaceship with aliens in it looking
back at them. The John this was this was in
the let's see John, this has been in the seventies.
So they didn't have cell phones back then, but they
had disposable cameras. So John runs back into the room

(55:33):
and gets a disposable camera, and he runs back out
and takes pictures of the spaceship before as he described it,
he said, it slowly moved down away from the building,
probably down Broadway or Fifth Avenue or whatever they were following,
And so they run, they go back into the into

(55:54):
the their room, into their their home, and eventually he
takes it to a probably to a photo math, you
know back in those days, that's where you took your
disposable cameras to a photo math, and he gives it
to the poor kid in there and he says, here,
I got some pictures. You you better develop these poor

(56:14):
kid poor kids that I don't know how they developed them.
But according to John's account, none of the pictures came out,
so he was but fortunately he remembered what they looked like.
And John was a good artist, you know, he's he's
a he was a musician. He was he was one
of those people that aliens tapped into in my in

(56:34):
my opinion, So he drew pictures of the spaceship to
go along with uh with with which he put in
walls walls in shoot. I can't remember that that the
name of the album, but one of his solo albums.

(56:55):
On the sleeve is all of the pictures that he
drew of his an encounter. Now that and that wasn't
his only alien encounter, by the way. He had another one.
This is I think he was back with Yoko by
this time, and he said he heard a noise outside
of his apartment and he looked out and there were
he saw little aliens running all around, and he opened

(57:19):
the door and they gave him a golden egg. So
he kept the golden egg until he met They didn't
know what to do with it. And he met Uri Geller,
the psychic, the famous spoon bending psychic, and he gave it.
He gave it to Uri, and Uri has it at
his museum in Tel Aviv, if I'm not mistaken. So

(57:43):
that's that the other John Lennon aliens story. H So,
you know there's a oh so. So I was wondering
as I'm writing the book, I'm thinking, you know what,
what would the aliens be thinking? That was my other question,
what would the aliens to be thinking? And I solved
the riddle. Okay, so Carol, follow me here. The If

(58:07):
you remember the Pioneer space space ships, the original satellites
that we sent and the voyagers all had etchings on
them or inside of them, and they had recordings inside
of them. The etchings were of a naked man aaked woman. Okay, okay,

(58:32):
don't get ahead of me. Here, Carl. The etchings we
have a naked man and a naked woman. The recordings
were various kinds of music, including Chuck Berry's Johnny be Good.
So I can imagine aliens finding one of those shifts,

(58:53):
whether it's a Voyager or a Pioneer, and you know,
probing it and finding the picture of them naked man
and the Naked Woman and the recording of Johnny Be
Good by by Chuck Berry and saying, we gotta find
these people. This is great. So you know, you know

(59:14):
that John Lennon has probably played Johnny Be Good thousands
of times. You know. That's that the Beatles cut their
teeth on American music, so on American rock music. So
so they knew Johnny Be Good. So you can imagine
the aliens, you know, scanning the globe until they found
a naked man and a naked woman and they were

(59:35):
picking up signals of Johnny be Good. Bam. They're in
New York. They're in front of a naked couple on
a balcony that happens to be John Lennon and Maypeg.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Yeah, you mentioned the Rolling Stones. I would be interested
in what Keith Richards has seen.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
Well, okay, that's a that's a good point, Carl, because
all of them, Keith, Mick, ron Wood, John Lennon, Jimmy
Hendrix Son, rah Dave Davies of the Kinks with another
good one, they all said in their encounters, you know,

(01:00:16):
we know what you're thinking. And no we weren't stoned.
No we weren't drunk. We saw what we saw. So
you know that to me, you know you can you
can say, oh, well, you know, take that with a
well I will, I will. But I also believe that

(01:00:36):
musicians again are a special breed of human beings that
may have a way to communicate with you know that
that universal using the universal language, and we should listen
to their stories, we should listen to their encounters because
there just might be a little higher chance of those

(01:00:59):
being real encounters than some of the other ones. But
Keith Keith's was if I Mick Mick Jaggers said that,
uh he he was. He would see aliens in his
at his estate in England, and and uh he became
so fearful of them that he put UFO detectors. Now

(01:01:21):
I don't know what what kind of detectors these were,
but he said he somebody told him UFO detectors that
he had installed all around the ground of his estate
so he would know when a when a UFO showed up.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
Keith, if I remember correctly, I think he only had
one encounter. Wasn't wasn't anything you know, as interesting or
colorful as the other guy. Ronnie would though Ronnie had
the best ones, you know, he would uh. And also Mick,
Mick Taylor the other the other Mick had had an encounter.

(01:01:57):
But but Ronnie's ron and his wife Joy both wrote
about their encounters they had. They had one big one
when they were in Brazil. They were vacationing in Brazil
on the beach and both of them, along with some
other witnesses, saw UFOs hovering over the water off the

(01:02:19):
coast of whatever whatever beach they were at, and Joy
went on, joys, I don't know if she's written a book,
but I know she's written a number of articles. She's
appeared on a number of shows over the years to
talk about her encounters, even after she left Rhyme and
went off on her own. So there they're out there.

(01:02:42):
Jimmy Hendrix, Jimmy Hendrix says, uh. The people saw UFOs
at Jimmy Hendrix concerts.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
There was.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
There was a famous one in Hawaii towards towards the
end of his life, one of his last concerts. I
think he did three in one day. And while he
was in between concerts, he stay in a tent and
people saw, you know, some sort of spaceship or or
other worldly things covering above the tent, according to witnesses.

(01:03:14):
So he has a statue. There's a statue of Jimmy
on the Isle of Wight, one of the other places
where he gave a concert near the end of his life.
And people go there and they say they hear music
when you know, when they stand around the statue. So
there's two schools of thought about that statue. One is that,

(01:03:36):
you know, it's the it's the spirit of Jimmy, you know,
creating the music around that statue. But another theory is
that Jimmy Jimmy talked about being from another planet and
many people believe believed him and said that he didn't die,
he left and he's communicating, you know, that's his antenna

(01:03:59):
to Earth and he's sending messages letting us know that
he's okay, and he's still making music and and I
don't know, you know, it's again. I'm I'm that that.
That's one of one of my strong beliefs is that
that connection to music.

Speaker 10 (01:04:16):
So I think Sammy Hagar has even had an encounter
Sammy's another one. Yeah, Sammy's Sammy. I may make it
into my next book.

Speaker 5 (01:04:27):
Uh. Dave Davies from the Kinks. He typically this is
this is more of a rock star story, Carl. So
he he has an encounter, a telepathic encounter with aliens
and they told him to stop having sex because I
don't know something bad was going to happen to him

(01:04:49):
or what it was. Oh, I know that he wanted
to continue. He wanted to get more music from them.
That was it. That was That was one of the
stories that that had got me think thinking about the
musical connection. He said he was receiving musical instructions from
the aliens and one of the things they said was
as part of the deal, you have to stop having

(01:05:12):
sex or you're let's see to put it cleanly, your
important parts will burn away. Of what.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
That's been a good reason to stop.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
So Dave Davies, of course, he said, Hey, I'm a
rock star. I can't give up sex. That's part of
the job. So that was the end of his encounter.
That was the end of his encounter. He refused to
give up sex and they refused to give him any
more music. Oh well, gotta love those rock stars. Yeah, Sammy,

(01:05:49):
Sammy had one. There's a guy in England, there's a oh, well,
what's your name? Billy Ray Cyrus's daughter, Miley Cyrus, I
think has had a couple of a couple of alien
encounters that I'll probably slip into another book.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
I'll have to read that. Oh you, oh you can.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
You can just imagine how Miley greets the oh boy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
Yeah, like a wrecking ball.

Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
There you go, krowl. See how easy it is this
to put yourself in the position of the people who
were having their encounters.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
Yeah, I guess maybe that's why I haven't had any.
I mean, I've drummed in a band when I was
in my twenties and thirties. But I'm a Ham radio
operator and I took my extra class. You have to
pass twenty word permitted Morse code exams, okay, and they
say if your musical, you pick it up really quick
and it's no problem. Well I didn't pick it up

(01:06:50):
really quick and it was a problem. So I guess
I'm not very musical.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
Well, you know, hopefully there's other ways that you know,
there's other talent that that you know, we might be
able to use. I was hoping technology was one because
I kind of have you know, I'm hoping either technology
or humor, because I've got both of those in my background.
So I'm hoping either one of those might be the
might be the way. And and Carl uh, don't focus.

(01:07:18):
You know, you still have a chance. If you can't
play rock music or if you can't play country music.
There's one other kind of music that aliens like. And
this is this is a story that this is, this
is near and dear to my heart. And having grown
up in Cleveland, Ohio, the oral Ryans is the name

(01:07:40):
of the alien. It's a it's a somewhat famous story.
Again another spaceship land. A female alien comes out, this
one who was wearing a dress and she had a
hat on. I remember that. I think she was wearing
a red dress. And the the the man who is
the witness, you know it was, was enamored by her.

(01:08:03):
But he was also enamored by the music that was
coming out of the ship. At that the door was
open and he hears his music coming out, and he says,
he said, I recognize that music. He says to her,
but I want to be sure that that's what it is.
Can you tell me what that music is? And she
looks at him and she said, well, of course, that's

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the music of my home planet. It's the Polka.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Ah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
So the planet was Clarinet. It's not Clarinet, it's Claret.
Clarette is the name of the planet. And this is
this is a story from the fifties, so this is
before you know, we had we had any space exploration,
so people would believe this story a little more back then.
But the the the planet Claret was on the opposite

(01:08:57):
side of Earth, the opposite on the side of the
Sun from Earth, and it had that it was in
the same orbit at the same speed, so we were
never able to see it. So we we now know,
we've sent probes all over the place and there's no
other planet on the other side. But that was that
was the story she gave and and the witness gave.

(01:09:18):
Polka was the was the music of their planet. They
were they were very religious, they were Christians. And the
other thing was they did not have alcohol on their planet. Now,
if you know anything about Polka's you know that you
have to have beer while you're while you're listening to.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
Polkas and where al Yankovic there you go that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
So I'm thinking, you know, this is this this would
have been the perfect way for us to break bread
with this planet is to introduce them to the connection,
you know, the the enhancement that the Polka's would get
by drinking beer. On our planet, there is no beer.
That's why we came here.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Well, yeah, there you do.

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
Yeah. Well, and the best part again, you know, I'll
plug Cleveland, Ohio one more time, so the Cleveland. If
Aura is still out there and she wants to come back,
come to Cleveland because and in fact, I invite all
aliens who are interested in polkas or rock music to
come to Cleveland. Because not only do we have the

(01:10:28):
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, Ohio that
everybody knows about, but right down the street from it,
we have the National Polka Hall of Fame. So and
we have plenty of beer. So everything you need, you
beings from another planet you can find in Cleveland, Ohio.
I'll even make waffles for you if that's what you like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Yeah, don't forget the syrup.

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
Did you find any difficulties mixing humor with serious measures
like terrestrials.

Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
Well, my model I at Mysterious Universe is the mysterious
doesn't have to be serious. So one of the things
that I've done, as you've noticed in our conversation here,
is I try to find unusual stories. Unusual stories lend
themselves to humor. I don't try to force it that that.

(01:11:24):
You know, I've been in the comedy business for forty years,
so I you know, I understand that that that process
very well. And the last thing I want to do
is sports it. So I write plenty of stories where
I have no humor at all. I try to put
something in every story, and it's usually you know, some

(01:11:47):
an observation of mind rather than anything trying attempting to
find something funny in the situation. You know, my favorite
hook is you know, if I if I were there,
if that were me. You know though, that that's a
good lead in for or for me to be able
to say something funny. But no, I really don't. I

(01:12:11):
it's it's for me. It's natural, you know, it's it's
It would be a challenge for other people to, you know, too,
to force people who know much more about the paranormal
than I do, to bring humor into it. I don't
profess to be an expert in in UFOs, or aliens

(01:12:32):
or or bigfoot. I'm you know, I'm one of those
people that's a mile wide and in the in an
inch thick. That's my knowledge of things. So I know
a lot of a lot a little about a lot
of things, and I like to talk about them. But
I like, I really like to focus on on uh,

(01:12:52):
the UFOs and the aliens. So now that hasn't been
a problem. I wish there were more. You know that
there was a show called The Third Rock from the Sun,
which is a nice, a funny, funny alien encounter story.
And I'm old enough to remember my Favorite Martian, which was,
you know, probably the original alien sitcom. And there's a

(01:13:17):
few more, you know. Now there's there's just too much television.
I don't I don't have enough time in the day too.
I know there's a couple more humor oriented, humorous space
programs on, but I'd like to see more. I'd like
to see more of that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Yeah, I was a big fan of my Favorite Martian
with Bill Bisby, and so I grew up watching Star
Trek and I've recently started watching an old show I
guess it's from the early nineties, c Quest D s
V with Roy Scheider. I like Roy Scheider's acting. Oh yeah,

(01:13:59):
the he's played a lot of diverse parts.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
Yeah, you know, there's the uh, there was a there
was a Seth Seth McFarlane had a show, kind of
a humorous Star Trek kind of show.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
Because yeah, I know what you're talking about. I can't
think of the name, but yeah, I was a fan
of it too.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
Yeah, like the it was being with that oh like
the Odyssey or the Orion or something like that. It
was a it was it was a transport ship, you know,
like a cargo ship. It wasn't even a you know,
not a warship or anything. So they never really got
into too much trouble. But that was a nice That
was a nice, funny show. I think it may still
be around somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
I think they took a break from it for a while,
but I recently read something that they're fixing the started back.

Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
Oh great, Yeah, great, I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
I said it was. It was funny but serious, all
kind of at the same time because mc farlan's got
a interesting sense of humor.

Speaker 5 (01:15:02):
You're done. And Carl, since we were talking about music,
he is an excellent musician. He's a great singer, and
I believe he's a keyboard player as well. So you know,
maybe maybe he's tapping into that that that that little
hole in his subconscious that that's feeding him, ah, good

(01:15:25):
funny stuff for his show. I you know, if I'm open,
you know, I'm still working. If any any producers out there,
one one a pilot, give me a call, I'd be
happy to work on on. Uh, you know, I do.
I'd like to do a funny space for IM com.
I think that would It's about time we had one

(01:15:47):
like that, considering we talked about a number of romantic
encounters just in this conversation. Which are which are detailed?
I'll mention you know, I haven't. I've only scratched the
surface on the stories that that I've been talking about.
Here there's more details with names and locations and and

(01:16:08):
and more funny stuff in the book What Would You
Say to a Naked Space Alien? Available on Amazon dot com. Also,
you can you can get a link on my on
my website Paul Saber dot com. I you know, going
back to your question, Carl, I also have a podcast.
My podcast is called what in the World It's you

(01:16:30):
can you can find a link to it on my
on my website or at New Cleveland Radio dot net,
which is the platform that I use or wherever you
you know, wherever you get your podcast or on YouTube,
and what I do on that show. I started out
trying to trying to focus on funny paranormal stories and

(01:16:52):
and it was difficult to do. So I've I've gone
more towards funny news stories. And my my motto is
real news, sometimes strange, always funny. And you know, I
work from a script because I have a hard times.
It's tough for me to remember things. That's why I

(01:17:13):
got out of stand up comedy because I was I
wasn't good at remembering what I just wrote for the
for my act. But I have you know, I talk
about stories, bigfoot encounters. I like to talk about big
foot encounters. Some of them are a little help funny,
but I find odd inventions like this guy in China

(01:17:33):
invented what he calls a bed car, and it's basically
it's a bed on tracks like on a tank or
or or a you know, earth moving equipment that he
rides around. He goes to the store on it. Somehow
he's able to get it into grocery stores. I don't
know how he yeah, yeah, And he's such a good inventor.

(01:17:57):
He's also made a desk car, a desk car, so
it makes it up real easy to take your work
home with you. You just take the whole desk and
drive it back and forth. So I like stories like that.
Those are the kinds of you know, weird animals that
people find world records. You know, remember those those the

(01:18:20):
early bicycle, the one that had a giant wheel in
the front a little wheel in the back.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
Yeah, I remember. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:18:28):
Well here's some true I like to talk about trivia.
It's called a penny farthing. A penny farthing which is
two coins, two British coins. The penny is is a
large coin and a farthing is a little coin. So
that's what people were reminded of when they saw this giant,
unwieldy bicycle. People are still racing those things, Carl there. Yeah, yeah,

(01:18:53):
they're right. And some lady just set a world record,
world unbelievably fast, like thirty miles an hour for a
long period of time. You know, it would I think
it was, I think she wrote it for an hour.
It would take me an hour just to get my
balance to be able to stand on one of those,

(01:19:14):
So though I love those kinds of stories, so that
that's the kind of stuff I talk about. If I
can work in a space story, I'll I'll work those in.
But the main goal of what in the world is
to have a good time, to get away from the
you know, the political news and the business news and

(01:19:37):
religion and all the stuff that puts people in a
bad mood and find some just strange, fun, unusual, weird
stories from around the world, around the universe, you know,
I like, I liked the stories about weird things they
see on Mars and when we just laugh and have
a good time. My partner is one of my best

(01:19:58):
friends from college and uh he's he He plays the
skeptic and our producer who I've had ever since day one.
She she chimes in with with, you know, the female perspective,
So fun, fun, one hour once a week, everybody has
a good time. So that that's what I go for

(01:20:19):
more than more than the paranormal. But boy, give me
a good troop of Cobbra story. I always put Trooper
Cobbra stories in my favorite my favorite equipted.

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
If I come up with anything that I think would
benefit your show, I'll let you know and.

Speaker 5 (01:20:35):
Oh please go, I will. I will be more than
happy to mention you. Carl and uh midnightty Fish Frequency
the you know, another fun show to be on the
But yeah, I do. I have a number of people
around the country that around the around the world as
a matter of fact, that send me news items. So yeah,

(01:20:57):
oh I'm open for that. Boy, I don't care. I'll
give credit what credit is due and and we'll have
fun with it. That's the game.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
Well, I'm always finding stuff because my producer, Josra Cheers
bought the rights the Dark Matter News which was used
on Arts show.

Speaker 5 (01:21:19):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
And I'm always having a look up articles because I maintain,
you know, posting the articles for it. If I could
talk right, But if I've run across something, I will
get with you, that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
Oh for sure. Yeah, there's you know, I'm a news
junkie that you know, when I was one of the
reasons why I got a job on The Tonight Show
way back when. It is because I'm a news junkie.
I always read the news. I've read the news every
day since I learned how to read that. That was
the first thing that I wanted to read was the newspaper.

(01:21:55):
So to this day, I'm one of those old parts
that still subscribes to paper newspapers as well as reading
hundreds of websites throughout the week. And that's the way
you collect these unusual stories that nobody else knows about.
And so, yeah, oh please do you know those? Those
sound like they'd be pretty interesting, Josh. I'm sure if

(01:22:20):
Josh is involved with that, it'll be unusual.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
Yeah. Did you have to consult any expert scientists or
anything when you're writing a book or was it just
mostly your own research.

Speaker 5 (01:22:34):
Just my own research. Yeah, we don't have that kind
of budget. Do you have that kind of budget, Carl.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
God, No, I have no budget whatsoever. My opening is
AI generated.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
So there you go. People don't understand that about the
podcasting world. They're about authors in general. I mean, unless
you're Stephen King or you know, somebody at that level.
It costs, it costs a lot of money to do
that kind of stuff. It's you know, it's that's why
it takes so long for for many authors. You know,

(01:23:09):
they work on a book for ten years. I could
not I couldn't imagine working on a book for ten years.

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
But oh my god, no, No, I don't know that
kind of time.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
Exactly exactly or or or I hate to stay that,
but some of my friends say, I don't have that
kind of time left.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
Yeah, same same year. Absolutely. You know, that's why I
only do Friday nights. I mean, I've got a eleven
year old daughter that we homeschool, so I don't have time.

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
Oh, I can imagine, Carl, I can imagine. Yeah, it's
you know, I tried to have multiple sources. I did.
You know, I always look for multiple sources for the story,
so that that's that that gives me additional perspective, and
it helped me eliminate some stories. You know, if I couldn't,
if I couldn't get multiple sources, I was hesitant to

(01:24:06):
put it in. You know, some of the maybe you know,
some of these alien stories can sound unbelievable to people
who are not open to the idea that there's other
kinds of beings that that we could encounter. And you know,
my favorite it comes from Poland. The ball places and

(01:24:27):
this guy stopped in the middle of the night. He's
driving somewhere and he has to do his business. So
he goes out in a field and he sees a
light and instead, all of a sudden, he couldn't do
his business anymore. So he ran over by, went over
by the light, and he sees the spaceship and the aliens,
he said, were shaped like beer barrels, and they stood

(01:24:48):
on one leg and they, yeah, they hopped like they
were on a like on a pogo stick. So and
he said they were picking things up. He they were.
I don't know if they were picking things up with
their leg or if they had like a you know,
like the janitor does in the you know in the
park where the one of those stakes where they picked

(01:25:10):
things up. But they were picking things up. He said
he could tell that they knew he was there because
they kind of would turn towards him every once in
a while, but they never they never confronted him at all.
And then eventually they they went back into their ship
and took off. So, I, you know, talk about an unusual,

(01:25:32):
unusual looking alien. You know, my first thought if I
see somebody, if I see a being with only one
leg hopping around, my first thing, I'm gonna ask it,
how do you put your pants on in the morning?
How'd you get into that uniform? But you know, they
might ask me the same thing. You know, you must
be very primitive that you still get around on two appendages.

(01:25:54):
When we are of this advanced race that can travel
around the the the universe, we don't. We only need one.
And if they were, if they were hostile, which I do,
I wouldn't assume they would be. If they were, you know,
you could outrun them. All you'd have to do is
run to a road with a bunch of potholes in it,

(01:26:15):
and uh, you know, as soon as they hit a pothole,
they'd fall over and you're on your way.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
You just said a guy was yeah business. If I
saw something like that, I probably wouldn't be able to help,
but do my new business.

Speaker 5 (01:26:29):
You better believe it. I'd be. I'd be high to
you know, It's be hard to zip back up as
I was running back to the car. But thank god,
there's people who who who tell the you know who,
who who have the guts to follow through and and
check those stories out. I think I hope I would

(01:26:51):
do the same. I hope I would. You know, again,
have the have less fear than than you would think
you would have, and and and be open because who
knows what you what might happen. You might get some
waffles or here, or hear a polka you haven't heard before.

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
Well, I'm going to start carrying a bottle of syrup
around with me, and if I see some of the
offer me waffles, I'll be ready.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
That could be the signal. That could be the signal
that they're looking for carl syrup.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
I'm gonna get me a bottle of Antemiinus and ready.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
They might go for their pure stuff. They might go
for the grade a pure maple syrup. I don't know
that's connoisseurs.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
Yeah, was there one story that you research that stood
out the most of you?

Speaker 5 (01:27:43):
Boy, that's a that's a tough one. I think I
I liked the waffle story. I mean I tell that
one all the time. So you wonder that I that
that was unusual. Let me let me refresh my memory here.
You know, I tell the the Jackie Gleeson story. But
that one that many people know that Richard Nixon took

(01:28:08):
Jackie Gleeson to an Air Force base in Florida and
showed him the wreckage of a UFO of a spaceship.
And I believe bodies of aliens.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
And I don't know if I've heard that.

Speaker 8 (01:28:28):
One or not.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
That's a that one has made the rounds a number
of times, but I can talk about that. That's one
of my favorite stories. Jackie Gleeson was like, you know,
the most famous comedian in the world in the nineteen
forties and nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties, even with the Honeymooners
and with the Jackie Gleeson Show. And he was a

(01:28:50):
very strong proponent of the existence of aliens. And and
he had a library of books back when, you know,
there weren't that many books. He probably had all of
them in his home in New York, which was shaped
like a spaceship. If google it on the internet, Jackie

(01:29:15):
Gleason's spaceship home, I think it would would probably take
you there. It was gorgeous and you know, one of
the looked like a flying saucer, windows all around. He
had a smaller one that he used as a guesthouse.
That yeah, really, I'm gonna I'm gonna look that up.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
That sounds interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:29:35):
Frank Stinatras stayed there so so he would go on
shows like like this one. And there were only one
or two way back when I you know, of course
one would be in the media capital of the world
at that time, New York City and talk about his encounters.
So he was playing golf. He and Nixon were friends,
and they were playing golf somewhere. I'm not sure if

(01:29:59):
they were in Florida, but they were far enough away
that they had to take at least a helicopter to
get to this base. And he says, you know, at
the end of the round, Nixon said to his lease
and would you like to see an alien spaceship and
some aliens? And Jackie, of course, you know, I can't wait.
So Nixon makes a phone call. Helicopter shows up with

(01:30:22):
a guy in a trench code, takes him in, takes
them to the air Force base. He says, this is
this is the most unbelievable thing when you compare it
to the world today. He said, he and the President
of the United States alone, walk up to the door,
knock on the door. Air Force you know, member service

(01:30:43):
member opens the door up, you know, mister President, come
on in. And they walk in. So he says, they
he was taken to the inside like a hangar, I guess,
and he saw the spaceship. He was able to look
at it. I know he's able to touch it or
anything like that. And then they took him into a

(01:31:05):
room and he saw the the bodies of the aliens.
So then President Nixon says to Jackie Gleason, now you know,
you can't tell anybody about this, and said, oh, of
course not. You know, there's no way I would tell anybody.
So he so he goes home, I think, to New York.
And he was not married at the time, but I

(01:31:28):
think he was married. He was, he's newly married, probably
a second or third wife, young, younger woman, and he
according to the story that she told, he was very upset.
He was very upset. He never comes home upset after
playing golf. She said he was, so she said, what's wrong?
So of course he tells her, tells her the whole story,

(01:31:49):
and then at the end, at the end, he says,
now you know, you can't tell anybody. So she didn't
for the longest time. But then I guess he was
cheating on her, so they got yeah, and she's she's mad.
So she goes to a tabloid. Now I don't know
if it was The Enquirer, and and if you dig

(01:32:10):
deep enough, I probably have a copy of it. On
my computer somewhere. Uh is an article an interview that
she did with a tabloid which there wasn't much interest
in UFO and aliens at the time, so the the
interview went nowhere. I don't know if it was poorly
written or what, but but that's what she said. She

(01:32:31):
told that story.

Speaker 4 (01:32:32):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:32:33):
Gleason was asked about it a number of times and
he always denied it up until one of the last
interviews he did before he died, when he finally admitted
that it you know, it had indeed happened the way
that we have heard the story. So you know, if
you're gonna if you want to believe somebody, if you

(01:32:53):
believe an entertainer again, a musical guy. He was a
band leader as well. So h so you put some
of the the pieces together, he's you know, he's got
a good sense to humor. Where he's a band leader,
he's got the connections. Uh. I don't know. That's uh,
that's that that that's one that you know at the

(01:33:14):
President of the United States is involved. I have another
presidential story with Eisenhower. That's another famous story where where
Dwight D. Eisenhower was taken He's a number of times
he was. He allegedly met with aliens in California one time.
But you know the story that I think his great

(01:33:37):
granddaughter tells us that he was negotiating with the alien
and he actually treated humans. He allowed humans to be
abducted for experience under under his authority by the aliens.
I'm not sure if I buy that one. Yeah, but
the one one of the covers that they used when

(01:34:00):
he suddenly disappeared. You know, this is again this is
the old days, before we were so security conscious. He disappeared,
you know, the reporters couldn't find him or anything. And
when he came back, he said that he broke a tooth.
This was the story. He broke his tooth eating chicken wings,
and he had the Secret Service take him in the

(01:34:21):
middle of the night, or whoever his security was take
him in the middle of the night to find a dentist.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
Truth.

Speaker 5 (01:34:28):
I don't know I believe either. But okay, here's the
one story that I didn't know about that that I
put in the book, and that was Albert Einstein going
to Area fifty one. Have you ever heard that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
I've not heard that one.

Speaker 5 (01:34:46):
He was, you know who of all the people you
would want to take to Area fifty one to meet
with aliens, it would be it Albert Einstein.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
So the story was told by a student of his,
a female student at Yale, brilliant student. She was his assistant,
and he was taken. He was scheduled to make a
give a speech in Chicago, so she came along with them.
He flew to Chicago. He gets off the plane and

(01:35:17):
he's met by these guys in trench coats and they said,
you're not here. This was a ruse. You're not here
to make a speech. We're taking you somewhere. So he
gets in the in the plane and she gets in
with him, and they fly with these two with these
guys to Area fifty one. They're taken out of the plane.

(01:35:40):
They go into a facility at Area fifty one, and
she said, there they saw a spaceship, not just a spaceship,
but living aliens around the spaceship, along with personnel from
Area fifty one. So she's says, you know, Eisenhower, I

(01:36:02):
got Eisenhower on the brain. Einstein was allowed. Einstein was
allowed to get close to the ship and talk to
the people and talk to the alien. She was not,
but she was allowed to see the whole thing. And
you know, I mean, this is this, this is in

(01:36:22):
the I believe it was in the fifties, so you know,
this is for a woman to be even to be
allowed into Area fifty one back then was highly unusual.
So the only reason she was there was because she
was with Albert Einstein. And she said, you know, he
spent quite a bit of time with the aliens. I

(01:36:43):
think they also saw some alien autopsies while they were there,
and he never spoke about it again after that, and
he even denied, you know, he would tell people that
he wasn't sure if he believed in the existence of aliens.
And she was sworn to secrecy. And it wasn't until

(01:37:05):
in the UH in the two thousand when she passed away.
It was mentioned in her obituary. And what she had
done was a reporter, someone who was interested, you know,
a paranormal reporter, heard rumors of this encounter, of this story,
and she went under an assumed name, the woman who

(01:37:30):
was the assistant, and this this reporter managed to find
out what her real identity was and contacted her and
got some audio UH interviews of her, and eventually once
she passed away, she she released the story. It doesn't
get a whole out of publicity. I would have thought

(01:37:51):
that it would get more publicity and notoriety than it has. Yeah,
was one reason why I wanted to put it in
the book, because that is so unus usual. You know,
who would we send today? Who is our resident genius
that we would send? You know, if the President said
aliens are here, I need this, I need the smartest

(01:38:12):
person in the world to talk.

Speaker 4 (01:38:14):
First person comes to my mind would be Mitchie Okaku.

Speaker 5 (01:38:18):
Oh yeah, that would be a good one. But the
first person who came to my mind was Ken Jennings
from Jeopardy. Smartest guy I could think of. You beat
me on that one, Carl.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
Worre at the bottom of the hour. Let me do
my last break and then we'll come back and fit
the ship.

Speaker 11 (01:38:42):
Okay A.

Speaker 7 (01:39:32):
Two new moons have been confirmed orbiting Jupiter, bringing the
planet's official moon tally to ninety seven. These small irregular moons,
named S Slash two thousand and one seven J ten
and S Slash twenty seventeen slash J eleven, are each
about one to two kilometers wide and followed distant retrograde orbits,

(01:39:57):
meaning they travel in the opposite direction of Jupiter's rotation.
Although first spotted back in twenty seventeen, it took years
of follow up observations to confirm their paths. S slash
two thy seventeen JAY eleven orbits Jupiter roughly every seven
hundred and one days at a distance of twenty two

(01:40:20):
point seven million kilometers, while s slash two zero one
seven JAY ten takes six hundred and forty six days
and orbits slightly closer at twenty one point five million kilometers.
Their characteristics suggests they weren't born alongside Jupiter, but were
likely captured by its gravity billions of years ago. Both

(01:40:44):
moons were discovered by American astronomer Scott S. Shepherd, who
now has identified over sixty of Jupiter's moons, a record
unlikely to be surpassed anytime soon. Thanks to advances in
telescopes and observation techniques, The total number of moons around
jupiters expected to pass one hundred in the near future,

(01:41:06):
offering new clues into the planet's dynamic and violent early history.
Sheppard is a faculty member at the Carnegie Institution for Science,
Earth and Planets Laboratory in Washington. That's it for dark
Matter News. Catch up with us on the Midnight Frequency
Facebook page from Memphis, Tennessee. I'm Joshua Stark.

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but doctor Paul's doctor. Are you a doctor?

Speaker 5 (01:43:48):
No, that that that I'm aware of, but.

Speaker 4 (01:43:52):
It's mister Paul. I want to let the listeners know
too that if they go to my website in d
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and also a link to your books on Amazon.

Speaker 5 (01:44:05):
So oh great, super, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
So any other bizarre stories, well, the uh.

Speaker 5 (01:44:17):
I think let me take a quick you know, there
was one there was went from Japan. You know, we
we we when when we went to talk about UFOs today,
you know, the the the most popular story of the

(01:44:38):
hour is the tic tac UFOs and uh there you know,
we we estimate them to be the size of of
of an airplane, if we if you're a fan of
Star Trek or Star Wars or any of the other
you know, uh science fiction stories, spaceships are the size

(01:44:59):
of small cities or at least, you know, large skyscrapers.
At the table at the other end is a story
from Japan where some boys were playing baseball and something
buzzed them. And what buzzed them was a silver orb

(01:45:23):
about the size of a baseball that was an alien spaceship.
How did they know that? Well, it landed and they
went and they picked it up. Now, you know, the
first thing I thought of when I heard this was
if you're from another another planet, then your spaceship is
the size of a baseball. The last place you want

(01:45:46):
to go is to a country where they play baseball,
because you're putting your ship in danger. That's right, that's right.
If that had happened when I was a kid, the
first thing I would have done is sweat it with
a baseball bat. They didn't do that, so thank god,

(01:46:06):
because now we have a story to tell. So they
picked it up and they're looking at it, and they
put it in their sack, in a bag of some sort,
and they took it home and when they got home,
it was gone. It was out of the bag. They
don't know how it got out, but it was gone.
So they figured that the end of that. They go
back to play baseball. The next day, the little orb

(01:46:28):
shows up again. So this time I don't know if
they held it while it was in the bag or what,
but they took it home and they could hear things
coming out of it. They could they couldn't really see
into it. So you know, again, these are little These
are little ten year old boys. So they get a

(01:46:51):
bucket of water and they stick it in the bucket
of water. Now that probably wasn't wouldn't have been good
if it was not an advance, you know, advanced technology.
But when they took it out, and I think they
put it back in the bag, when they went back
to the bag again, it was gone. So two times

(01:47:13):
they lost their spaceship. They go back out to the
field again. The next day they see the orbit land.
They grab it again. In fact, they one of the times,
I think they may have chased it with a net.
But they got it again. So this time they took
it home and they showed it to one of their fathers.
So he said, you know, don't put it in the
bucket or want it. Probably not a good idea. So

(01:47:36):
what does the adult in the in the situation do.
He puts it in the refrigerator. So they've got the
ship and the refrigerator. Of course, they go back the
next day and the ship is gone again. The boys
never saw it again after that, so they don't know

(01:47:56):
what exactly they were finding, whether it was little Ali
indoor what And that would have been the end of
the story and an interesting story in that, but a
couple of years later, a little girl was out in
that same area and she saw the same orb little
baseball side or flies or flies by land, and so

(01:48:18):
she runs and and and looks at it, and smart
little girl, she ran home.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
I would think after so many, so many being captured,
they probably need to find another place to go.

Speaker 5 (01:48:34):
Yeah, some some country where they were baseball or cricket there,
you know, any any of those outdoor ball sports are
not are not played. But you know, it would have
been interesting to see what kind of aliens they might
have found inside, you know, but the the we have

(01:48:55):
so many unusual aliens. I have a story about, you know,
the Loveland Frogmen being in Ohio. That's a that's a
very popular story.

Speaker 6 (01:49:06):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:49:06):
And not everyone believes that those beings that that multiple
people saw in southern Ohio were aliens, you know, some
some people believe that they were equipted. Whatever they were,
they were seen by multiple people. Are you familiar with
the Loveland Frogmen.

Speaker 4 (01:49:26):
I'm not.

Speaker 5 (01:49:27):
It's a this was in the I believe it was
in the fifties, and it was a police officer. No,
it was a it was a salesman who saw it
that first. He was driving in a dark knight, goes
over a bridge or or approaches a bridge, and he
sees four about four foot tall beings that looked like

(01:49:50):
frogs standing on two legs looking back at him. I
don't remember if they had glowing eyes. They may have
had glowing eyes. So he stopped and he watched them
for a while, and then he said they they I
think they jumped off the bridge and he didn't see
them again. So, if I remember the story correctly, he

(01:50:12):
went to the police station and the police and he
reported it. So the police went back to the same bridge.
I think it was one one officer and saw at
least one of the alleged frogmen again I can't four
feet tall on the bridge. And what he did was

(01:50:34):
he shot it and killed it and put it in
the trunk of his squad car and took it back
to the station, and if I remember the story correctly,
he showed it to his his chief or whoever else
was there at the time, and they said, we can't
tell anybody about this, and they disposed of the body.

(01:50:55):
So there's nobody. You know, we have no evidence of
the of the Loveland Front, but hey, they obviously they
told the story. And I think that the guy, the
original guy, told the story as well. Uh so they
it got picked up by the Loveland media. And and
I believe there's a Loveland Frogment festival down there, so

(01:51:18):
that makes it legitimate if there, If you got a festival,
it's it's a it's a legitimate encounter.

Speaker 4 (01:51:24):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:51:25):
Yeah. And now I met a guy. I met a
guy at a at a conference I did who wrote
a book on the Loveland Frogmen, and and he says
that all the evidence points to that it was an
escaped iguana, that that jumped the fence, that that and
he had some evidence that that led to someone in

(01:51:47):
the area having an iguana. So it wasn't really a
frog at all. But don't tell that to the people
down in Loveland, especially the ones that are making money
off the festival. I certainly you want to. It's like,
it's like the festival, the Little green Man festival in Kentucky, Hopkinville, Hopkinville, Kentucky.

(01:52:11):
The the original story of Little green Men. This is how,
this is how Little green Men came into being. There
was a family down there, you know, living this, you know,
out in the hollow out out in the hollow of Kentucky.
So there's nobody around, and they hear a noise and
they see beings with glowing eyes looking into the window

(01:52:35):
and and they claimed that they were the beings were
shooting at them. So they don't know what to do,
so they stick their guns out the window and they
start shooting at the beings. Now they claim they shot
for hours until they called. They called the police, and
the police said they weren't going to come out, so
they finally snuck out the back door and went to

(01:52:58):
the police station, and the Hopkinville police or whatever the
big city was. They came back and they found all
the bullets that the family had shot, but no bullets
or any kind of weaponry or ammunition that would have
been shot at them, nor were there any bullet holes

(01:53:19):
in the house or anything like that. So they were
very skeptical of what these people were saying. Plus they
were the local, you know, strange people, and they drank
a lot. So all of that told the police we
ought to get going. Until one of them saw a
green like a liquid on a fence and they said, oh,

(01:53:43):
this must be where one of them got shot and
bled on the fence. And when the media told the story.
They said they started calling them the green men because
they found this green substance on one of the fences.
That little instant right there is where the little green

(01:54:07):
Man was born. They never found any other evidence of
the people swore, they swore that these were beings. This
was not a uh, you know, a hallucination. They weren't drunk.
They were definitely beings that they saw. No one knows.
I don't remember if some you know, some people say
it was a moss or something like that. No one

(01:54:29):
really can explain the green on the fence. And the
only theory the you know, the skeptics say that they
were large owls, like barn owls or something like, you know,
a bird, a bird that walks towards the house and
looks in the window. I don't you know, Oxbridge, but.

Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
Something.

Speaker 5 (01:54:55):
Yeah. Now, my cousin, My cousin works at the Hopkins
Hopkin Jill Festival every year he does fundraising, and uh,
it's a it's a pretty big festival, and they really
play up the little green Man angle of that story.
But the family, the family swore that it was true.
They they never changed their stories. So that's another you know,

(01:55:17):
That's another thing that I always look for in telling
a story is you know, how are the are the
witnesses consistent in what they say? You know, over the years,
do they say the same thing or does their story
kind of change with the times? So you know, that's uh.

(01:55:38):
For those of you out there who wonder where Little
Green Man came from, that's it right there. For and
and the Hopkinsville it happened that we coincided with a
with a an eclipse, not the last solar eclipse, but
the previous one in the United States happened to go
right over Hopkinsville the day of the festival, so people

(01:56:00):
got to partake in the festival and they got to
see the solar eclipse as well. I don't know if
there was any connection between those two, but if the
best part would have been if they had the Rolling
Stones playing there, uh, you know, connect but just in case,
or a polka band just in case the aliens were
following the eclipse as well.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
You know, that story about the frogmand wouldn't go well
in the South because we like frog legs down here.
It wouldn't have had a happy ending.

Speaker 5 (01:56:31):
Not at all. No, Oh, it frogged. I had yeah,
we have. Frog legs are pretty popular in Cleveland. I'm
surprised in Ohio, but yeah, I uh, I spent a
lot of time I was. I traveled quite a bit
while I was based in Houston in the computer business,
and one of my favorite places I had an office
in New Orleans, so I made sure that I had

(01:56:55):
I had a good excuse to go visit my people
over there and our customers. And I never ate as
good in any other city in the United States as
I ate in New Orleans, Louisiana.

Speaker 4 (01:57:08):
Oh yeah, I love gumbo and.

Speaker 5 (01:57:13):
Yeah ben Yet's crawfish ate to fay Fried fried alligator.
See that's but you know, there aren't that many alien
stories in in Mississippi and New Orleans. Maybe the voodoo
chases them away. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:57:30):
I don't know. Oh, they're just scared to go there. No,
we ain't landing there.

Speaker 5 (01:57:37):
Uh huh, I don't care. Yeah, that's right, especially if
they look like frogs. Forget it, they are alligators. The
reptilions would would have a terrible time down there. That's
that's for sure. I always said, you know, it would
a if it moves, they'll they'll they'll make a meal
out of it in in Louisiana.

Speaker 4 (01:57:59):
Oh yeah, you see this little great guy over here.
I wonder what he tastes like deep fried?

Speaker 5 (01:58:11):
Yeah, that's the famous, famous Twilight Zone story everybody remembers.
You know, the book To Serve Man was actually a
cookbook on how to cook human beings.

Speaker 4 (01:58:22):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:58:23):
That's uh. I hope that they're not that that that
the aliens aren't coming looking for a meal. Uh waffles,
waffles is okay, But you know, if they're, if they're
you know, that's an interesting that's an interesting angle. I
don't I have not encountered any stories of alien cannibals.

Speaker 4 (01:58:48):
I haven't either. It seems like most of the stories
involve antal probings.

Speaker 5 (01:58:53):
Yeah, yeah, you're yeah, yeah, the the that's a standard
abduction story. Yeah yeah. So I don't know if that's
good or bad that they don't eat us. I hope
it's good, But you know, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:59:10):
I'm too fat. I'd be greasy. They don't want to
eat me.

Speaker 5 (01:59:16):
Now, let's not go there, Carl, let's not go there.

Speaker 4 (01:59:24):
Well, sir, we're at the top of the second hour.
You said you were following up with a possible sequel
to what would you ask then in space? Do you
have any other projects in the work?

Speaker 5 (01:59:35):
I actually I do. I have another another book since
I mentioned the music that the other one will be
music oriented, because because there are just so many of
the alien stories that are related to music. I'll be
I'm working on that as well. I'm trying to write

(01:59:56):
I'm trying to write a humor book, just a straight
humor book on Bigfoot and uh, the Bigfoot seems to
lend himself to too funny situations. I don't know. I
don't know if there's a market for that. The We'll see,
we'll see, But those those two books, for sure, I'll

(02:00:17):
be I'll be finishing up, hopefully by the end of
this year, so I will certainly let you know because
there'll be more more fun stories to tell.

Speaker 4 (02:00:27):
Alrighty, sir, Well, I'll be looking forward and possibly have
you back on the future in the future with some
of your other books.

Speaker 5 (02:00:36):
O great, thank you and to give my best to Josh.

Speaker 4 (02:00:40):
We'll do it. You have a good evening, sir, and
appreciate thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (02:00:43):
For fighting me. Carl. It was great. I hope I
hope everybody enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (02:00:47):
Yes, I hope so too. I did oh good, and
you have a good evening. And it's been an honor
having you on the show. If I get into your books,
I may have to send them out to you to
get a monographed Well.

Speaker 5 (02:00:58):
That sounds like that, sounds like a plan.

Speaker 4 (02:01:00):
I'll send you my address, all right, sir, you have
a good email.

Speaker 5 (02:01:03):
Thank you, Carl YouTube.

Speaker 4 (02:01:04):
Bye bye bye.

Speaker 6 (02:01:05):
Bye ba by Bo.

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