Rev. Michael JS Carter Friday September 12th 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Tew from the Ozark Foothills in northeast Arkansas. I'm Carl
Richardson and this is Midnight Frequency Radio. Our guest this
evening is Reverend Michael J. S. Carter. Goodemian, mister Carter.
I'll let you tell our listeners about yourself.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Well, first of all, thanks for having me on, Carl. Yeah,
I'm My name is Reverend Michael Carter, and I uh
live here in uh the southeastern part of the United States.
I lived in New York City from Baltimore. Originally, I
lived in New York City for almost thirty years working

(01:07):
in the professional theater, and then I decided, well, actually
I kind of always knew I would, but I wound
up going to seminary, so I went back to school.
I got my BA. I graduated with a BA in
Letters cum laude from the College of New Rochelle. I
got my Master's in Divinity degree from New York Theological

(01:29):
I'm sorry, from Union Theological Seminary in New York City.
Anyone can go to Amazon, and I have several books
out on prayer and meditation and UFOs and the Bible,
and I have a book of sermons. I'm a consultant
on the History Channel's Ancient Aliens, and I've done a

(01:51):
lot of work for History Channel. I was on Great
America's Greatest Mysteries with Laurence Fishburne. I was in the
Steven Spielberg documentary Abduction Diaries, which was the precursor that taken.
And of course I've been on George Norri's Beyond Belief
and Guy A Television. I serve a congregation here in

(02:17):
the mountains of North Carolina, and I'm a father, a husband,
and I'm also proud to be on the show tonight.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Well, it's an honor to have you here. Excuse me,
it's an honor to have you here. I understand in
nineteen eighty nine you had a visitation in counter Ah.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yes, yes, yes, yeah. How can I preface it? First
of all, I grew up in the American I grew
up in the Baptist tradition and so sci fi. I
didn't watch Star Trek. None of that stuff was in
my purview.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I was a good Baptist, as were my parents, so
I was not ready. Well, it took me a long
time to get on the UFO bandwagon, if you will,
And The reason why was because I didn't think it
was in the Bible. What a difference a generation makes.
But in nineteen eighty nine, I was coming back from

(03:21):
a vacation in Mexico with my wife at the time,
and we went to see the Pyramids and Chitsanita and Toulon,
which was fascinating. And when we got back, I have
been invited to a party. We got back to JFK.
She went home. I decided to go to the party.

(03:44):
I just wanted to kind of unwind, show off the
tan a little bit.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
She was exhausted, as was I. So I went to
visit a friend. No adult beverages were consumed, none were
there lots of food, deviled eggs, which I love the
whole little bit. December twenty eighth, nineteen eighty nine. When
I went home that night, you know, I gave her
a kiss on the cheeks. She was asleep, and I

(04:09):
changed my clothes and I got in bed and went
to sleep. I don't remember what time of the morning
it was, but what I do remember was I sensed
the presence in the room, and at the foot of
my bed was a four foot tall no more than

(04:29):
four feet tall kind of whitish gray, a gray being
with a big head, with the big eyes, very spindily,
and I thought I was going to have a heart attack.
But she would not wake up, or she could not
wake up when we later discussed it, and so I
thought I was going to have a heart attack. The

(04:50):
whole room was lit up like times square, and this
person was surrounded in a white and blue light. So
I pulled the cover up over my head and got
in a fetal position. And after a while, after a while,
I felt like I was outside. It felt like the room,

(05:11):
the temperature change. I was inside. It felt like I
was outside. I was freezing, and I finally grew a
pair and I finally got the courage to pull the
covers down. And when I did that, I was in
my room. She woke up. We talked about it. I
told her what I saw. I was so scared. And

(05:35):
you know, they kept coming. They came like twice a
month for about eight months, close to a year. They
kept coming, new and full moons, new and full moons.
They would come, and they would paralyze me. One time
they showed me a past life. One time they showed
me something that happened in the future, and I couldn't move,

(05:59):
and I I would feel like electricity going through my body,
like all this energy. And I didn't talk to many
people about it, obviously, I and then I started seeing
different races. At one time, a reptilian came to visit me.

(06:22):
Back in nineteen and twenty thirteen, I had a healing
from a Nordic individual. I had a visit from a
praying mantis being a few years back. So you know,
they kept coming and my life began to change, I
must say for the better. Now was I afraid? Am

(06:44):
I do? I still have PTSD? Yes, I do, not
as bad as I used to have it. And so
I'm not a big person that's into propulsion systems and
back engineering. I'm not a tech person, even though I
think that that's important. I'm more aligned with what happens

(07:05):
to you spiritually, what happens to you when you look
one of these beings in the eye. It's like if
you have a near death experience, or maybe you have
some type of missile, it doesn't always have to be
something traumatic that you can't explain, and it changes you forever.
And so that's what this phenomenon has done for me.

(07:26):
And I started looking in the Bible, meeting other people.
I said, if these people can come visit me in
nineteen eighty nine, then they will probably here in nineteen
eighty nine BC, and probably even before then.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
You mentioned that the initial experience led you to confront
fears and become more intuitive and compassionate. Hell did that
process unfold?

Speaker 2 (07:53):
These are great questions. Well, you know, Carl, it took
a while. You know, I had I was already working
on myself, and by that, I mean I was in
therapy for some family of origin issues I had. I
had slowed down all my partying and that kind of stuff.

(08:13):
You know, I was going into the ministry. So I
was already on a path. I think they just expedited
that path. Uh. But but I was already working. I
had a prayer life, I had a meditation life. I
was you know, I was reading and studying and I
was I was evolving. And then they came along, and

(08:35):
so what happened was I found a few things happened.
I think they're one of the reasons that I'm a
healer now because I do hands on healing energy work.
I started out as reiki, and now it's something entirely different.
I would suppose I started, Uh, I found it more easy. Well, physiologically,

(09:04):
I didn't need a lot of sleep. I started getting
by on less sleep. My skin, my hair, and nails
grew extremely fast. I started glowing. People would come up
to me, whether it's winter or summer or even fall.
Where have you been to the beach? Were you in

(09:25):
the sun? My god, you're glowing. So those were the
physiological changes. I became much more intuitive, much more intuitive.
And I also found that my heart had softened. And
by that I mean I felt like I was a

(09:45):
little more compassionate. It was easier for me to say, hey,
I'm scared, or I love you, or you know, I
just felt more authentic. I also felt like I was
more intelligent, and I can't explain that. And so those
were some of the things that happened. Now again for

(10:08):
audience members, you know, I was already working. It wasn't
like a magic wand was waived. I was already you know,
cultivating a spiritual life and inner life. But they seem
to have uh kind of expedited that. But again, it
took it took a while. It took some years.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
In your in your book, alien scriptures extraterrestrials in the Bible.
It explores the intersection of religious text and extraterrestrial phenomenon.
Do you discuss some of the key Biblical passages of
narratives that, in your interpretation, suggest the presence are influence
of extraterrestrial beings.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yes, I will tell you all of it does. And
I'm not trying to be cute or you know. You
know when you go the Genesis six and they're talking
about the sons of God and the sons of Uh,
the taking daughters for the well, that's that's that's that's
that's a little past Genesis six. Well when Genesis six,

(11:12):
when uh, when the Lord and Uh. But in Hebrew
it's the Alohem say let us make man in our image.
They're talking us plural. It's not just one being. Some
people have tried to say, well, you know, it was
the Trinity, but the Trinity wasn't He didn't even exist then,

(11:33):
especially in the Hebrew scriptures. The Trinity wasn't a concept
that they didn't come along till like the three hundreds
around the you know, Constantine's time, and that was church dogma.
But clearly if you look at Ezekiel, the Book of Ezekiel,
the wheel that he's seeing, the if you look at
Elijah who gets taken up in a flying chariot, you

(11:55):
know these are clearly the most talked about. If you
look at the Book of Enoch when he's talking about
these beings, uh, you know that that he's writing for
and he's he's living with uh, these off world intelligences.
There's just no other way you can interpret them.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Even your a background as an ordained interfaith miniSTR, how
do you integrate your experience and beliefs about UFOs and
extra terrestrials into your spiritual teachings.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
I don't. I don't let me put it like this.
I almost lost my job once because of No, they
didn't hire me to teach them about extraterrestrians, and so
I don't bring it up. I mean, I will bring
it up if it's in the context of what my
sermon topic is that day, but I don't just it's

(12:49):
not How can I say it's not a UFO church
And I know that's not what you're implying, but I
really don't. I mean, it's an open secret they've seen
me or do some of the TV shows they've seen
me on documentaries. They know that's my belief. But I
don't force that on them because I don't want to
split my church, because you'll have some people who believe

(13:10):
and some people who don't, and that's not what they
hired me for. But I can tell you that for me,
the Bible has many, many, many, many lessons. It's not
the only one that the Hindu scriptures, you know, the Upanashads,
the Vedas, because the beings are all in there. But

(13:30):
for me, I know people who stop looking at the
Bible for many, many reasons. But for me, the Bible
is one of the most important books that we have
in Western culture because our ancestors are telling us, and

(13:51):
this is my opinion and my research, not forcing this
on anybody, what it was like to share the planet
with these beings. And if you look at it from
that point of view, everywhere where you see the word
angel in the Bible, if you which is angloss in Greek, right,

(14:16):
if you look at it, nowhere in the Bible, uh,
does it say these beings have wings? And I'm not
trying to say that angels don't. I'm just saying, nowhere
in the Bible does it say they have wings, and
the Hebrew word is a malik or malaquin for angels.

(14:37):
But they're messengers. And the thing about being a messenger is,
you know, using the word angel tells you what their
function is. They can be an emissary, they can be

(14:57):
you know, they bring messages. They they may be diplomat,
maybe some diplomatic work involved, but it doesn't tell you
where they're from. Doesn't tell you where they're from. But
yet they are all through the scriptures. It is my
contention that if you put the word et or star person.

(15:21):
I don't particularly like the word alien, but whatever you want,
if you put that everywhere in the Bible that you
see angel, it makes more sense.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
I've been curious. I think the Bible was written for
us here. Even if our Lord decided to create other planets,
wouldn't he also create a Bible that dealt with them
and not necessarily us.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
I don't know the answer to that. I won't even
begin to tell you what this being would do. I
can't even fathom that. What I'm trying to do is
as I answer your questions, because that's a faith question,
and I'm not here to challenge the faith I'm just
here to tell you where the research has led me. Yes,

(16:13):
So I don't I don't know if he or she
or it would do that. But what I do know
is that that this universe, this multiverse that we live in,
is teeming with life. And we can put God or
whatever you want to call it in a box. And

(16:35):
I think that what the extraterrestrial phenomenon does it takes
that box and gets rid of it. And and and
we're not the highest on the food chain. Their civilizations older,
with more technology, some more peaceful, maybe some not. And
so that that's that's what I've gotten to through my

(16:58):
experiences and through my research.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
You've prepared on numerous television programs, including Ancient Indians and
Steven Spielberg's Yeah, I can't believe about your diary production diaries.
How do you approach these public forums and what message
do you hope to convey to a broader audience about
your experience and insights.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Well, I try. It's a great question, I obviously. Well,
I approach them with the utmost respect. I always come
to the set prepared, you know, I've done my homework
before I get there, or whatever it is they want
me to expound upon. And what I would hope people

(17:43):
would get is that A, you do not have to
give up your faith, tradition and to believe in UAPs
and extraterrestrial life. You don't have to stop being Because
I know some ministers and another people say, Michael, of
what you're saying is true, I can't. I can't be

(18:03):
a believer anymore. And I'm like, I don't know why
our ancestors in the Bible believe and they knew these
beings exist. My God, they're talking about them. And that's
number one. And number two is I want people to
know it's especially experiencers, that you're not alone. I counsel

(18:24):
many many experiences, you know, online and in person, and
it can be a lonely journey. It can be scary
because you really even though you know, we just had
hearings a few days ago, you know, for instance, but
there's it's still taboo to talk about this. There are

(18:49):
many ministers and academics that I am in touch with
who say, Michael, I agree with everything you say, but
I can't say it because I'll lose my pension. I
can't talk about it. I'll lose my job. And I
understand that. See, I'm a Unitarian Universalist minister, which is

(19:12):
a very open denomination. Historically, we two are part of
the Protestant Reformation. But we don't have a pope or
a diasis that people can tell us you can do this,
you can't do that. So I have a little more

(19:32):
freedom now. I mentioned about four minutes ago that I
almost lost my job. Yes, we do have a hierarchy.
We do have a board of directors, and we do
have that. One day, a woman from my church who
we didn't really get along much anyway, I don't think
she liked me anyway. She said she got up one

(19:53):
night or two or three in the morning and she said,
my pastors on a history channel talking about Little Remen
and I'm not comfortable with that. And I tried to
talk with her, and we met and she just would
not listen, and she said that she was not comfortable
with that, and so she went to our board of

(20:14):
directors and she tried to have me fired, and much
to my surprise, they took up from me. They said,
he doesn't preach this from the pulpit, he's not forcing
this down our throats, and who knows, he may be
right now that was maybe eight years ago, but they

(20:36):
kept me.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
That's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Harvard researchers hypothesis about UAP's consiled in stealth on Earth
and intelligent beings walking among us. Resonate with some of
your own experience. What are your thoughts on this academic perspective.
How does it align with or divulge from your personal

(21:06):
understanding of least phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
I was in a group. I still am. I just
don't attend it. It's a group online and their ministers
and clergy from different parts of the country, some even
from across the pond. And they are all academics. I
have a master's degree. I got my master's in divinity.

(21:31):
But these folks are PhDs and they've been you know,
you know, they've made the Ivory Tower their life. It
was hard for me and for them to connect because

(21:52):
they couldn't let it in. And I get it. They
couldn't let it in their theology that there were beings
who were more powerful, more technological, technologically advanced than us.
They could not let that in. They could only go
up to a point and and and I get it

(22:14):
because when when we start talking about this and when
I say we are maybe at a government, they have
to talk about religion, and right now they don't want
to talk about that. And I get it, because it's
a it's going to be messy. And so I say
all that to say that there are some academics who

(22:39):
are open to the idea, and there are some that
it would just pull the rug out from under them.
When you you you asked a couple questions in that statement.
You know there are beings who walk the earth that
you probably would not even know. We're not from here.

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When we look at the Book of Acts and is
it Paul and Peter, it's Paul and Barnabas Anyway, I
think it's Acts ten, but I could be wrong. But
you know they do a healing and the people bow
down and they have to tell them, no, no, no,
stand up. We're not gods. We're flesh and blood men

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like you. Well, what does that tell you that some
of these beings look not they just look like us?
And you hear that in the literature. Now that some
of these beings can shape shift, some of them are
quite humanoid. Obviously, some of them may look more like
the praying mantis or the Reptilian or the gray. But

(23:45):
there's so many races out there, so I think that
sometimes the degrees can get in the way. Now, I'm
also an experience and I have been for probably a
good a great deal of my life, and so I

(24:09):
have that experience that they don't. They have maybe the
academic PhDs or whatever, but sometimes that can keep you
from being open to what it is pretty much right
there in front of you. I hope that answered some
of your questions.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
How do you foster dialogue and healing in a divided
congregation or community.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, I think the main thing is to listen, and
I mean listen with your whole body, listening to maybe
what's being said, what's not being said. And there's some
training involved, but listening to watching the person's body language,

(25:01):
listening to uh, maybe the timbre of the voice. But
to be able to listen without thinking of what you're
going to say next. And I would say, and this
is right up there, that remember the other person's humanity.

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They're not liberal, they're not conservative, they're not this, that
or the other. You got to get past the labels
and just try to see them for the human being
that they are that they are because the labels once

(25:47):
once I see you. I remember my friends who fought
in Vietnam and even in other wars. But you know,
I met vets who were in Afghanistan and Iraq and
and and they would say, oh, you know the towelheads
or in Vietnam they were the goops or you know,
and and and they did that because in order to

(26:09):
kill another human being, you have to stop seeing them
as another human being. You don't come out of your
mother's womb ready to kill someone. I have to dehumanize you. Well,
otherwise I can't survive in that environment. So I think
being able to listen and not losing sight of the

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other person's humanity, that's the beginning.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I'd agree with that.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, it's hard to do sometimes, but that's the beginning.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yes, sir, If extraterreshields were confirmed to exist, how might
the effect concepts like sin, salvation and divine purpose?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah? Yeah, pardon me, I just drank some water down
the wrong way. Okay, do we have time for this one?
Oh yes, sir, I know it's the bottom of the hour.
I'll let you do your thought and then we can
do the break. Okay, it's an excellent question. All of
them have been Karl. I feel that the religions, the philosophies,

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the religions that make room for other deities will have
an easier time with disclosure than Christianity. Why is that, Well,
Hinduism makes room for other deities, the God of this,
the God of that, the goddess of that, the goddess
of this. They have a main deity, the Brahman, but

(27:48):
they have lesser gods than goddesses. Even Buddhism, which is
not a religion, it's a philosophy, they make room for
like kwan yin the Goddess of compassion, or you know,
different deities. Native American spirituality doesn't have the hierarchy, you know,
and they they've been talking about the star people for eons,

(28:10):
the Aboriginal people of uh you know, of Australia. You know,
the Viking and the Viking lures. They they have all
these gods and goddesses, the Greeks. Obviously, Christianity has the problem,
even Catholicism, which I think is Christian. I know some
people make a difference. I don't, but they have. You know,

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Saint this one, Saint that, when sat this one this
you know, Christianity, mainline Protestant Christianity, they have God, they
have the Holy Spirit, but they rest Jesus. Is the
everything rests on Jesus dying for the sins of the world.

(28:58):
Okay hmm. Now suppose their planets that don't need to
be saved, suppose their planets that don't have that concept
of sin, being born in sin, what have you. So,

(29:20):
how would you explain that did Jesus save all these planets?
Does he have to go to Venus, Mars, Neptune, Urine,
Does he have to go to all these planets and
be crucified and risen all over again? Because Christians Orthodox
Christianity rests their whole theology on the death and resurrection

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of Jesus of Nazareth, So they would have some explaining to.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Do, that's for sure. And I would definitely hope he
didn't have to do that on each each planet.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and yeah, I mean. I'm not
trying to be funny. I don't want to be disrespectful,
but if your whole theology rest on this one person
who's supposed to save the whole world and or the cosmos,
and the way he did that was he died for
our sins. Well, suppose you're on the grays planet. They

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don't need that. Suppose on the Nordic Palladian planet they
don't need that. They don't Then what does does does
do they need him as a savior? Does he have
to go to all these places and be crucified again
and again and again and wrote lives from the dead
in order to Christianity? It gets messy, and so that's
one of the things they'll have to, uh, they'll have

(30:39):
to unpack at least to rethink or explain. Yes, sir,
we're all of the above.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Alrighty sir, Well we'll do the first break and then
we'll come back and continue.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Alrighty, the night.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
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Speaker 3 (31:18):
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Speaker 6 (36:09):
Let's strange, would Deserto.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Welcome back to midnight frequency radio? And I guessed? Reverend
Michael Carter. Recent US government hearings have brought UFOs into
the mainstream discourse. As a faith leader, do you think
religious institutions should engage more with this topic.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yes, yes, I I really do. And I know, as
I stated before, I get it. It's messy, it's embarrassing,
it's it's daunting. But we have to talk about how
it affects religion because it looks like from my research

(36:58):
that our religions were stop guarded by our encounters with
these beings because because of their technology, because of the
powerful people they were, our ancestors mistook some of these
beings for for God. And so we need to be
able to talk about this. And I think we're going

(37:23):
to have to UH eventually, but it's a messy, scary,
UH conversation. And so now it looks like we're just
going to be focusing on at least for the time being.
You know, tic TACs, UAPs, underwater UFOs, you know, that's

(37:45):
that's right now. What the powers that be are deeming
h is they're setting the narratives one thing about what's
going on. Another thing that I'm watching is that the
whistleblowers are all military. They're all military intelligence. And I

(38:09):
think that's a good thing in some ways. But what
it does is it's them form the narrative. So people
like you or me, you know, maybe just everyday people
who are having these experiences, we're not in the conversation.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
How should theologians and scientists collaborate to explore the implications
of UFOs and UAPs.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
They're probably gonna have to do a little bit of
what we talked about before the break, not to forget
the other's humanity. You know, Einstein said you can't have
science without religion. What was it? Science without religion is
blind and religious religion without science is laying. We're both
trying to get to the same answers science can tell

(38:59):
you why things happened. Religion can help us figure out
how they happen, and so uh and and when we
when we look at these these some of these beings,
when you look at some of the literature, some of
these beings are deeply spiritual beings. And at the same
time they have this technology so you can be scientific

(39:23):
as well as have a deep spiritual life and and
be able to navigate your life. Some of these beings
seem to have done that. A lot of them tell us.
If you read Georgia, the old especially the older uh
contact these from the fifties, the Georgia Danski. You know,

(39:43):
it comes to mind the Swiss Billy Meyer controversial figures.
But they uh, they talk about the merging of science
and religion. They were one us about what would happen
if we kept doing what we were doing to the planet,

(40:08):
if we couldn't get over our petty differences around race
and around religious beliefs. And here we are at the
same juncture that we were being warned about. Some of
these beings. If you read the literature, have said, you know,

(40:30):
we were like you guys were at one point, we
were warlike, we were angry people. We were we were
self destructive and we destroyed our planet, but yet they
had the technology to become space faring people or to
go to another planet. So if we don't want to

(40:52):
end up that way, we need to change. And it's
not just going to be from science. It's going to
have to be a change in consciousness. It's going to
be to have a change in the way we look
at things, the way we look at each other.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Some whistleblowers claim that the government has recovered non human craft,
including Bob Blazaar itself. Yeah, if true, ethical response, what
ethical responsibilities would leaders, religious or political have in disclosing this.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Well, you know, in a perfect world we would know
it by now true, But we don't live in a
perfect world. And you know, what should be is one
thing and what is is another. So that's why we're
having all of these we're having all of these hearings.
We're having people come forward and being persecuted, some of

(41:48):
them threatened physically, some of them threatened with financial ruin
or worse. So whoever's in charge of all this is
thrown ethics out the window.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Could the UFO phenomenon be a modern form of revelation
or do you think they're purely natural and technological.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
I'm not I don't understand the first part, What do
you mean about a modern form of revelation?

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Something I came up with off the top of my
head when I was making up questions.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
I don't know. I don't know what you mean by
revelation a modern revelation. So I'll try the second question.
I don't know. I mean if all. The best way
I could answer that is there are civilizations more advanced.
Obviously their technology is more advanced. I don't think that's

(42:50):
not natural. I just think it's it's technological. Maybe one
day we'll get to that if we don't blow ourselves up,
you know. So as far as revelation, I'm not quite
sure how you're using the word. But as we've known,
they're not modern in the sense of they've been here,

(43:13):
probably before we were here.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I'm hoping they're here to prevent us from blowing ourselves up.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah, I don't know if that's true. I think it
could be some of them anyway, I'm I'm trying to
It's interesting we say we believe in God, but yet
we we've made gods out of them. So so God's
not going to help us do it. That's theterrestrials will

(43:43):
help us do it. So that's that's interesting. I'm not
saying that's good or bad. I'm just saying it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
The other the other part to that is that, you know,
I hope that that happens, you know, but I don't.
I'm not putting my faith in that. But the other
thing is this, you know, we did this. You know,
when a child does something wrong, in order for you

(44:13):
to get them to learn the lesson, what do you do.
You have to let them learn the lessons from the
mistakes they make. You can't always jump in and fix it,
because then they don't learn. The only thing they'll learn
is that you'll come and save them. So it'll be
interesting to see how this plays out. But we've made
the mess, so maybe on some level we'll be We're

(44:36):
going to be the ones that have to clean up
the mess that we made.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
If intelligent extra terrestrials exist, could they have their own
relationship with the divine?

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Well again, yes, if you go back and read the
stories of the old contact these from the fifties, some
of them do acknowledge a God, but they don't use
that word. If you go back and look at the
Palladians and the Billy Meyer thing. They think our religions
are primitive because we exclude people and these people are

(45:10):
wrong and we're right, and you know the whole mess.
But they do believe in an energy. That's the best
way I could use it, a consciousness that we all
come from. And even Plato talked about that. So, but
what they're saying is it's not an anthropomorphic being. It's
not a man up in the sky. It's not a

(45:31):
woman up in the sky. It doesn't have a body,
it doesn't have you know, a hard and feelings. It's
it's an energy source. It's a consciousness. It's not someone
up in the sky pulling strings. So in that way,
they have said that we are very primitive. We're like
little kids around our belief around God.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Some link UFOs to ancient religions text or miss Do
you think there's a legitimate connection.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Oh, no question, that's that's what That's what that's what
we're talking about here. That's that's what doctor Barry Downing
talked about back in nineteen sixty eight when he wrote
UFO's The Bible and Flying Saucers. It's what mars k
Jessup wrote back in the fifties. He died under mysterious circumstances. Uh,
there they are the there are a few clergy who

(46:22):
are making that connection. Now what that does do? And
then you have to say, then what is God? Who
is God? Is God an extraterrestrial? Those are some of
the questions that will come up. But yeah, there, there's
there's definitely a connection. We had what's his name from

(46:43):
the Great State of Tennessee, Burkett Briquette, he's senator to Tennessee. Yeah,
he he He came out a couple of months ago
and he was on YouTube and he said that the
Bible is uh. He said that Ezekiel, his wheel, and
Elijah were UFOs. Now here you have a senator coming

(47:06):
out and saying that. Now, if he said that he
got permission from somebody to say that, he couldn't just
come out and say that. But my my point is
is that here you have some people coming out talking
about the connection between religion, Western religion especially and UAPs.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
How am I the discovery of extra rex rail life
influence humanity sense our purpose in the universe?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
I think it would influence it significantly, and one of
those ways would be a threat to what we've been
how we've been trained to think. Now, we would instead
of saying I'm a patriot, instead of saying I'm a
citizen of the United States of America, or I'm Italian,

(47:58):
or I am a citizen in all Australia or London,
we would become citizens of the cosmos, and so we
wouldn't emphasize pardon me, we wouldn't emphasize the boundaries that
separate us. By making that statement, we'd be recognizing our unity,

(48:20):
that we are all children of the universe. And I
think that that is a noble cause. But I also
think that other people would find it very threatening, people
in power, because they stay in power by keeping us
at each other's throats.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
The aliens you and Callard were any of the reptilians.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yes, I encountered reptilians twice. One came through the wall
of my apartment again living with my first wife. She
wasn't there, tall as the ceiling, had a tail, very muscular,
touched my arm, told me not to be afraid. Beautiful

(49:09):
eyes looking back, and then I was scared of the
Jesus out of me. They were like cat's eyes. The
pupils were vertical. And then at another juncture, I thought
I was having a dream, but I realized it wasn't
a dream, because everything in the dream was the exact same,

(49:31):
was it? It was in our apartment. One of them
knocked on the door. Someone knocked on the door. When
I looked through the people, there were two reptilians at
the door. They didn't come in, and then I woke up.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
I've encountered different guests that I've had on that some
think the reptilians don't necessarily have our best interest.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, I know, I know, and that's that may not
always be true. You know, it's like people. There's some
people that don't have your best interest. There some do.
And so at least that's been my experience. No harm
came to me, except you know, I've never seen to
see To see someone like that in the flesh is

(50:15):
very unnerving, and again it could be hard attack time.
But you can't say that all reptilians are bad. Then
you can say all Germans are bad. You can't say
that all Palladians are good. Then you can say that
all black people are good. You just you just can't
make those those those kind of leaves, But people do

(50:36):
that because were stereotyped.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yes, sir, do you think some of the alien beings
have been misinterpretive as demonic forces?

Speaker 2 (50:44):
I think some have, I think especially well, especially in
Western culture. I give you an example, and in the
Asian culture, the serpent the dragon is considered a positive
being here because of uh, they link it with satan
and this, that and the other. That all serpents are bad.

(51:06):
That's not necessarily true. What is the the the what
is it the cadesis on the medical the insignia for
doctors that they have that serpent around that. Oh you
know what I'm talking about. That's a healing symbol. So
each culture has a different view of the serpents. In

(51:28):
the West, we've been taught that it's evil. But that's
not But if it's so evil, why is it a
symbol of healing for our doctors and nurses exactly?

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah. Yeah, different people, different interpretations with cure.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yeah, there's a there's a wonderful book called Flying Serpents
and Dragons. It's by a guy named initial R initial
A Boulet b o U l A Y. You can
google it on Amazon, it's worth to read. It tells
you the history of of these beings and how they

(52:03):
affect us. And you'll see from the book that all
of these beings are not out of the book of
the Book of Genesis trying to trick you up into
going to hell.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
How do you think should society should prepare ethically and
spiritually for potential contact and disclosure?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I think by just telling the truth.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
The truth makes things simple, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
You know, it may not always, but at least it
makes it right. And you know what did Mark Twain say?
If you tell the truth, you don't have to worry
about anything, You don't have to remember anything.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Do you think the church should take a more active
role in discussing UFOs and UAPs?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Oh, no question, no question, And hopefully we will again
right now, I'm one of few, and I'll keep talking
about it. But yeah, eventually, I don't think they're ready yet.
When I say they, I don't think the powers that

(53:06):
be already yet. My God, they can't even tell us
they exist. Now they're going to talk about religion. Boy,
that's big stuff. And remember religion has been used to
control people. And once you give, once you give that up.
Then what happens.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
What's the most compelling argument that you've heard for or
against the existence of us UFOs from a based perspective.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Barry Downing's book we wrote in nineteen sixty eight, The
Bible and Flying Sauces. He makes a coging, intelligent argument.
Now I don't agree with everything in the book, and
he's a good friend of mine, but he was one
of the first, if not the first, that I know of,

(53:58):
who really wrote about it. He was a retired Presbyterian minister.
It's a doctor, Barry Downing, and it's called The Bible
and Flying Saucers. There are many renditions of it. It
came out in nineteen sixty eight.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
If you were to ask an extraterrestrial being one theological question,
what would it be?

Speaker 2 (54:19):
I don't know. I'd have to think about that. I
don't know what I would ask. I guess I don't know.
That's a great question. I don't know that. There would
be so many things I would want to ask. I
would probably say, tell me more about the God in me,

(54:43):
because I was raised like many people in the West,
that God was outside of me. And that was always
interesting because Jesus said, you know, God is in you,
the Kingdom of Heaven is within you, the same, and
so I would want to know more about that, because
I've been old for so many, many many years that

(55:03):
everything is outside, that I'm separate. I'm separate now I
don't no longer believe that, but I kind of like
to hear the discourse from a star person how they
would interpret that.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
You've shared ten spiritual lessons derived from your contact experience,
emphasizing contacts like God as an energy consciousness, the importance
of meditation, and the inter connectedness of all things. Could
you elaborate on one of these lessons that you find particularly transforming?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah, you know what all of it? And I'll say
this Carl again, and I guess I touched on it
just a moment ago. We've been told that we've been
separate from the source, and you know, when you're young,
you don't know any better, so you kind of believe that.
But if Jesus says that that He is with us,
he is in us, and God is in us, and

(56:04):
it doesn't have to be Christianity, it can be any
of the world's religions, then you have to say, well,
wait a minute. Then somebody's telling a story, you know,
And I thought about it like this, I'm I'm I'm
a drop in the ocean. And this is not original.
This has been used before. And let's say I go

(56:27):
to the ocean and I put some of the ocean
water in a glass, and I take the glass back
up to my hotel room, and I just said it there.
Wouldn't it be stupid for the water in the glass
to think that just because it was in the glass,
it was separate from the ocean. It's part of the ocean.
It's just in a glass. Well, that's the way I

(56:48):
think that there's a oneness. And if you want to
talk about the definition of sin, because sin and Greek
simply means missing the mark. It was an old archery term.
It means when you know, you make mistakes. We all
fall short of the mark. But for me, if I
was going to use the word sin, which I try

(57:10):
not to use too much because it's so misunderstood, sin is,
to me is believing that you're separate from God. How
can you be separate? How can you be separate from
all that is? And so for me, it's this, it's
this realizing the oneness, realizing that we all come from

(57:35):
the same source, and we all go to the same source.
That's to me the most profound and that we think
because someone has thicker lips, or their hairs a different color,
or their skin's a different color, or they may do
different that we're separate from them, but we're not. And

(57:56):
what we do to them we do to ourselves. What
we do to the Earth, we do to ourselves. This
is some of the messages from our extraterrestrial visitors. There's
a law of oneness, and I think that is the key.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
We're all part of the human race, there's no doubt
about that. Yes, yes, you've been described as a long
time UFO experiencer and have spoken at various UFO conferences
and so on. What advice would you offer to individuals
who may be having similar unexplained counters are who are

(58:38):
grappling with the implications of such experiences on their worldview.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I would I would a couple of things, great questions.
By the way, I would encourage a support group if
you can find one, either online or if you could
meet on zoom. If you could find a one on
one person, that'd be great, But just some people you
can share with, people who won't judge you. People who

(59:05):
won't say, boy, that's the sickest thing I ever heard.
What are you some kind of a nut? Those people
are not the ones you want to be around. I would,
I would. I would stress not having to explain yourself
to someone when you have to explain to them like
you got to convince them, yes, this happened to me.
Can't you see? No, none of that. I would, and

(59:30):
I and I do that. I I have sessions with people.
They're affordable. If someone wanted to go on my website
or give me a call, we could do that. But
if you don't want to do that, try to get
in some type of support group. You can do it online.
Sometimes Facebook has it, but you can find that google it.

(59:50):
The other thing I would say is this and it
took me a long time. Remember that this is some
thing that has happened to you, but it's not all
of who you are. I'll share a story with you.
When I first started having these experiences, I had a

(01:00:11):
good friend he's dead now. He was a very gifted psychic.
He did not know he had this particular gift. He
was a pure clairvoyant. He saw things that could happen
in the future, and one day, you know, he said,
I'll give you a reading. And so he started giving
me readings and I went to his home and I

(01:00:33):
had never mentioned this to him and that I was
an experiencer. And when I got to his home, he said, Michael,
you should ask me before you bring people to my
house without asking. But he was kind of joking. He laughed,
and I said, I don't know what you're talking about.
He said, oh, yeah, you do. I said, no, I don't.

(01:00:55):
He said, yeah, you do, and he told me. He said,
let me tell you who's in here with us. They
look like elves. They're small people, but they have they
have a lot to do with goes on and out
of space. Does that make sense to you. I still
wouldn't tell him, but eventually I did before I left.
And I mean, that's how talented he was. He saw

(01:01:16):
these beings around me. His name was Gene Ashley, Michael
Gene Ashley, and I met him when I was in
the theater. He was an actor as well. So every
couple months I would say, Gene, can you give me
a reading? And I was really excited because I wanted
to know what the space people were going to say,

(01:01:40):
but I knew he was getting annoyed. One day I
went and we did a meditation together, and he said,
I got to tell you something. He said, Why did he?
How did Jane put it? He said, I can't control
them so far. They have messages for you when you

(01:02:03):
come here, but they don't always, and I can't make
them come. If they come, they come. But I want
to tell you something, Michael. He said, there's so much
more to you than this. There's so much more to
you than this than these space people. Now I couldn't
hear that then. I mean, it was the greatest outside

(01:02:26):
of the dead the birth of my daughter, which would happen,
you know, much much later in my life. This was
like the greatest thing that ever happened to me. But now,
as I'm knocking on the door, I still got a
couple of years to go, but I'll be seventy in

(01:02:47):
two years, and I get it. And it made me think,
you know, we don't like when people put us in boxes,
but we put ourselves in And that's what I would
tell other experiences. I would say, look, for instance, me,
I'm a husband, I'm a father, I'm a minister, I'm

(01:03:10):
an author, you know what I mean. I wear a
lot of hats. You know, I have other interests. I'm
a much more interesting person because I can talk to
you about other things besides UFOs. Obviously, this is what
I'm here to do. But I'm just saying, and sometimes
we can cut off the rest of our lives because

(01:03:33):
that's the only thing we want to talk about, and
it kind of makes us really one dimensional. So that's
what I would remind them. Get some help. Make sure
you can talk to someone who's not going to judge you,
you know, do that a counselor a minister, whoever, And
to remember that this is something that has happened to you,

(01:03:55):
but it doesn't define you. And I hope that was helpful.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Oh yes, sir. As someone who encourages being emptied of
your preconceived notions before being filled, what steps can individuals
take to cultivate the openness and receptivity to new knowledge.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
I would say spending quiet time, cultivating your inner life, prayer, meditation,
you know, being in nature, take your shoes off and
walk on the grass, feel that interconnectedness, to be still,

(01:04:34):
to get off the rat race, to stop looking at
the phone the whole time, or to you know, just
to get off the rat race, to have some quiet
time with just yourself. There's an old saying he or
she who I would feel, I must first empty and

(01:04:56):
to sit still and be quiet, and just to focus
on your breath, to empty yourself, and then you can
hear those inner voices, your feelings, your anxieties, your joy.
You can you'll be in touch with that. And that's
and that's what it means to be aware. That's what

(01:05:18):
it means to be conscious. I'm aware that I'm aware.
But if you're constantly on the phone, if you're constantly
on the news, if you're constantly running and going and doing,
and you're becoming a human doing and not a human being,
it'll be really difficult for you to grow spiritually.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
I agree with that. Yeah, we're af the top of
the hour. I'm going to go ahead and play my
second break and then we can come back.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Sure, sure, Sure? How long do we go to? I forgot?

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
I kind of I kind of do it randomly.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Okay, okay, that's good. That all right, all right, thanks
a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
All right, we'll be right back. This is about a
five minute break, so if you need to get professional
water and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Yes, that's what I'm going to do.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Alrighty sir, We'll be back shortly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
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Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
And welcome back to Midnight Frequancy Radio and our guests,
Reverend Michael Carter. Are there any topics that you would
like to bring up that we haven't already covered on
the show.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Well, let me think, I I mean you've you've really
uh put together some thoughtful uh questions, Carl, and I
appreciate you taking the time to doing that. I think
that we pretty much, you know, we we We've covered
a lot of of topics. I would encourage people to,

(01:11:48):
pardon me, to explore the Bible and look at it
in different ways. My books would be helpful if people
wanted to uh explore or that, you know, alien scriptures, whatever.
I have several books, So you can always go to
my website, which is that michaelwww dot Michaeljscarter dot com.

(01:12:13):
You could always go to Amazon. Because the key is
to go back and look at those stories, to look
at those stories from a twenty first century perspective, because
then you will see that a lot of those stories

(01:12:36):
that read were taught were God stories are not really
God stories at all. There's stories of our interactions with
the Eloheen, with the Anunaki, and so then you start
to see a whole different layer that wasn't available to

(01:13:00):
us because we were taught not to look at the
stories that way. And a lot of people leave church
and for many reasons, and sometimes you have to because
you have to follow your path. But a lot of
people leave church because they're saying, these stories don't make
sense to me, and and and and and and some

(01:13:21):
of those stories have a lot of messages for the
time that we live in now, and that's how you
keep it interesting. But like I said, I know people
who are angry with Christianity about the hypocrisy, uh, you know,
and the other shortcomings. And we have to remember that
religions are are very human constructs and human beings are

(01:13:43):
not perfect. But for me, you throw out the baby
with the bathwater, because when you read those stories, they
are testimonies of what it was like to share this
planet with these other beings whom we're mistaken as God.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Well I appreciate that thought. Also, if anyone wants to
get links to your books on my website nw d
N dot net, I have a link to your website
in your Amazon page.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Oh that's beautiful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they can always
people can always call me I'm sorry. Well, you can
always reach me at Michaeljscarter dot com. I will respond,
I will get back to you. You know, I'm at
church during the week and on Sundays, but in the evenings,
you know, you will hear back from me. So if

(01:14:46):
you feel like reaching out that way, my website tells
you what I do, my books, what I do as
far as the healing goes distant healing, hands on healing,
I'm here to talk and you just have to reach out.

(01:15:08):
But I guess what I would leave people with too, is,
you know, don't keep your heart open. We're going to
go through some.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Rough times, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Yeah, yeah, this is gonna get a little crazy. And
this is the time, whatever your faith is, this is
when you need it, not when things are going great,
but when things get a little rocky, then you see
where you stand. And so just keep your heart open

(01:15:46):
and don't let fear have the last word. You can't
do it because if you do, you'll wind up being
part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Came into that. Yeah, do you have any current projects
in the works.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
You know, brother, I don't. I had done. I had
shot an Ancient Ancient Aliens episode last December, and it
was a different kind of episode because I was featured
along with a couple other people to talk about our
experiences what I talked about with you earlier in the show.

(01:16:29):
And then you know, we had Hurricane Helene. They hear, well, no,
that was after we had they had the wildfires out
there in California, and I figured, okay, maybe that was
the hold up. So then I was told they were

(01:16:49):
coming out in March. And now March has come and
gone and they still haven't done those episodes. And I
get it, you know, I used to be in the theater,
into that show business. Sometimes it may not happen at all.
But the last I checked with them in the summer,
they said, Michael, we haven't forgotten about the episodes. They
may come out in November. So I say all that

(01:17:13):
to say that, keep watching Ancient Aliens, and hopefully in
December the episode that we shot last December will will happen.
I'm thinking about a book, but I I I don't
want to talk about it because I haven't done it yet.

(01:17:34):
But I'm thinking about that, and that's that's all. That's
that's all that's going on for right now. I got
a little downtime and I'm enjoying it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
I can understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Yeah, I'm enjoying it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Still just started back for my daughter and I just
there's only been a few weeks coming into it, and
I'm already exhausted.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I get it, I get it.
It's it's tough, and but at least, you know, it's
the memories because you're there for her. She'll always remember
that and have those good memories. But it will wear
you out. Now, my daughter is a little older. I'm
assuming she's in college now, Oh, yes, you know it's yeah,
it's you know, paying for college, you know, and and

(01:18:22):
and and you know, she's she's out of state. So
as a parent, you know, you're always worried about them
and thinking about them. And at the same time, I'm
watching her become a very beautiful and uh gifted and kind,
you know, young woman. And so that's that's the gift.

(01:18:42):
But yeah, when you're a parent, you know, on some
level you'll always be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Yeah, she's eleven. She started sixth grade this year, and yeah,
doing her homeschool type stuff with online courses that she does,
I'm quickly discovering that I am not smarter than a
sixth grader. Oh it's a different world.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
It's a different world now, you know. And they they
you know, the things that these kids are up to
and into. And I don't mean this in a to
denigrate No. I mean, you know, you know, when my
daughter has friends and she was visiting them during her

(01:19:27):
off time at school, and she'd fly here or she
rent a car and drive there. When I was nineteen
years old, I wasn't thinking about anything like that. Yeah,
I was gonna have Granted, I'm a guy too, but
you know, they're just so much more advanced. It's like
they're wired differently.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
You know that's all you know, but just enjoy that
time with her.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Yeah, a lot of this new common chorus stuff. It
seems to me that they're going around the world to
get across the street. Used to you did multiplication and
division everything straight up, temporary way. And to me, some
of the formats they're using to teach stuff nowadays is

(01:20:16):
just it makes to me it's more difficult block diagrams
and stuff like that. It's wild.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Yeah, it's it's different. You know, it's just a it's
a different time. And you can and you know what, Carl,
you can tell when we're getting older because we sound
like our parents. In my day, we did it this way,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm that person. I look in the mirror
and say, oh my god, I'm my dad.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've become I become my parents and
and and yeah, I do get what you're saying too.
At the same time, you know that, yeah, you know,
there's there's a different way to do this or there's
a simple way. That's always true. But you know, you
can tell you're getting older when you go, oh my god.
You know, we were start going back to when we
were coming up, and you know, and each generation has

(01:21:08):
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
Through the change, Yes, sir, and I look forward to
working with you on uplates from time to time, like
the congressional hearings on extraterrestrial and yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Yeah, let's talk we need to talk about that. And
we don't have to talk about it now, but let's
talk about it, because I you know, I was thinking
about it. I was talking about it with my wife.
I don't know what day you want to do it,
because the weekends, you know, obviously I try to spend
some time with my family and of course I'm in
church on Sunday and during the week so we would
have to find a time because I do try to

(01:21:47):
keep a work life balance.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
I understand, and that's that's no problem. If need be,
we can pre record some stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Yeah, that's what and that's what I said. That's what
I told her. I said, you know what, He'll probably
pre recorded, so yeah, so let's talk about it going forward.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Alrighty sir. Well, like I say, it's been an honor
having you on the show and I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
This has been great to give Josh my regards and
we will be in touch.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
All righty, sir, do you have a good evening and
look forward to having you on in the future. All right, brother,
have a great weekend you too, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 8 (01:23:24):
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Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
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