July 12, 2025 • 67 mins
Topic: Aliens / New Book, The Fourth Mind
Whitley Strieber is the author of over 40 books. The Wolfen, The Hunger, Warday, Majestic, Superstorm and Communion have all been bestsellers, and Communion remains the bestselling book on UFOs and aliens in publishing history. The Wolfen, The Hunger, Communion and Superstorm have all been made into films (Superstorm as The Day After Tomorrow). His book series Alien Hunter was made into the SyFy series Hunters. His latest books are Them, an analysis of communication with the Grays, and A Hidden Garden, a book of poems. His new book is The Fourth Mind, published in early December 2024. Whitley’s website, unknowncountry.com, is the largest website in the world dealing with subjects on the edge of reality. It offers a highly credible news feed, a section of the site staffed by experts who provide carefully curated UFO material, and a subscription-only section with a thriving community of participants. His podcast, Dreamland, can be seen weekly on YouTube, and listened to on his website, Spotify, Apple Podcasts and most other podcast sites. His book Super Natural, written with Dr. Jeffrey Kripal, is considered among the definitive academic works in the field of unknown and unexplained experiences. Whitley lives in California.
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Whitley Strieber is the author of over 40 books. The Wolfen, The Hunger, Warday, Majestic, Superstorm and Communion have all been bestsellers, and Communion remains the bestselling book on UFOs and aliens in publishing history. The Wolfen, The Hunger, Communion and Superstorm have all been made into films (Superstorm as The Day After Tomorrow). His book series Alien Hunter was made into the SyFy series Hunters. His latest books are Them, an analysis of communication with the Grays, and A Hidden Garden, a book of poems. His new book is The Fourth Mind, published in early December 2024. Whitley’s website, unknowncountry.com, is the largest website in the world dealing with subjects on the edge of reality. It offers a highly credible news feed, a section of the site staffed by experts who provide carefully curated UFO material, and a subscription-only section with a thriving community of participants. His podcast, Dreamland, can be seen weekly on YouTube, and listened to on his website, Spotify, Apple Podcasts and most other podcast sites. His book Super Natural, written with Dr. Jeffrey Kripal, is considered among the definitive academic works in the field of unknown and unexplained experiences. Whitley lives in California.
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Speaker 11 (04:12):
Good.
Speaker 12 (04:12):
Evening from the Ozark Foothills in Northeast Arkansas. I'm Carl Richardson,
and this is the midnight frequency radio show. Knight's guest
is Whitley Streeber. Whitley Streeber is the author of over
forty books, The Wolfing, the Hunger, War Day, Majestic and
The Coming Global Superstorm, and Communion, which have all been
best sellers. Communion remains the best selling book on UFO
(04:36):
and aliens in publishing history. The Wolfing, The Hunger, Communion,
and Superstorm have all been made into films. The Coming
Global Superstorm in movie format is known as The Day
After Tomorrow. His book series Alien Hunter was made into
a sci fi series called The Hunters. His latest books
(04:57):
are them An Analysis of Communication with the Grays, and
The Hidden Garden, a book of poems. He also has
a new book called The Fourth Mind, which was published
in early of twenty twenty four. Whitley Strieber's website, The
Unknown Country is the largest website in the world dealing
with subjects on the edge of reality. It offers a
(05:19):
highly credible news feed, a section of the site staffed
by experts who provide carefully curated UFO material in a
subscription only section with a thriving community of participants. His
podcast Dreamland can be seen weekly on YouTube and listened
to on his website, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and other podcast sites.
(05:43):
His book Supernatural, co written with doctor Jeffrey Krappel, is
considered among the offinitive academic books in the field of
unknown and unexplained experience. Mister Streeber lives in California. Good evening,
mister Streever, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 11 (06:01):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 12 (06:04):
I wanted to speak to you about your latest book,
The Fourth Mind. What's the premise of that book?
Speaker 11 (06:12):
The premise of the Fourth Mind? The book has two parts.
The first is the first detailed analysis of the anatomy
and to an extent, the psychology of the people I
call the Visitors. And the second part is a discussion
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of why we lost powers that they still have, such
as the ability to move instantaneously from place to place,
to levitate, to move extremely heavy objects, and to manipulate
the world around us without the use of technology.
Speaker 12 (06:55):
Is this on ability you think humans once had.
Speaker 11 (07:01):
Yes, we had this ability, I believe prior to a
period in geologic history called the Younger Dryas. What happened
then was the cometary material and debris from a supernova
that had exploded thirty thousand years ago reached our Solar
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System and caused havoc throughout the Solar System, including on
planet Earth, and our planet went through over a thousand
years of absolute celestial mayhem. And during this period what
we had, which was not a great civilization with huge
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shining cities as we imagine, but something very different. But
it was destroyed in the sense that the ice sheets collapsed.
The ice age ended at sea levels rows in two
stages over four hundred and fifty feet in the second
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stage was extremely rapid, just a matter of months. And
during this period all of the coastal population population centers
were destroyed and they have never been excavated because they
are now under four hundred and fifty feet of water,
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and we've done very little underwater archaeology on the obvious
theory that there would be no reason to spend the money.
So we have missed this incredible civilization which had extraordinary powers,
including I think, the power to move extremely heavy objects,
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to the power to cut stone in ways that we
can't do now, highly sensitive instruments of measurement, and even
possibly an interplanetary presence.
Speaker 12 (09:11):
Okay. The book has been described as revolutionary by some,
including You're a galer well, what makes the Fourth Mind?
And departure from your previous works and from other books
on the subject of the Unexplained.
Speaker 11 (09:24):
The Fourth Mind is the first place, the anatomy of
the little gray people, the people called the graves who
I call the visitors, has ever been described in public
accurately and in detail. That's what makes it different. It's
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that is completely new. Nothing like it has ever been
attempted before, and especially not with any reasonable level of accuracy.
In addition, analysis of the genetic situation has shown that
there are errors in their genes and that they are
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basically biomechanical. They are not completely natural beings, and they're
they have been designed and not grown and are born naturally,
and their genetic structure is fundamentally primitive as a result
of that. But they do have extraordinary brains and abilities. Nevertheless,
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do you.
Speaker 12 (10:41):
Think it's possible if humanity could relearn the abilities that
we've lost?
Speaker 11 (10:46):
Yes, I think it's already beginning to happen. Excuse me.
A few years ago. Two years ago, I met a
podcaster called Kai Dickens who was doing a podcast called
the Telepathy Tapes, and Kai had discovered the work of
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a doctor Diane Hennessy Powell, and doctor Powell has shown
conclusively that unvoiced people, that is to say, people who
cannot speak and who are autistic have telepathy and sometimes
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fluent telepathy, and therefore it's possible for us to have telepathy.
In addition, a friend of mine, Paul Eno, now passed away,
was a novice in a Catholic cemetery seminary excuse me
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back in the back in the I guess in the sixties,
and he was assigned to be the assistant to the
archdiocesan or the diocesan exorcist, and he witnessed the following thing.
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A young woman seventeen years old was in a mental
institution afflicted by drug addiction and schizophrenia. Her family was
desperate to save her, of course, and in their desperation
they brought in an exorcist, and that was the arch
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the diocesan exorcist. Paul was in attendance, along with another
assistant to psychiatric social workers and a psychiatrist and the exorcist,
so quite a number of people in the room. In addition,
the young woman was in the room sitting in a wheelchair,
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and in the middle of the exorcism, she suddenly floated
up out of the wheelchair and the exorcist said to Paul,
push her down again, and he pushed her down into
the chair, which was very easy to do. It was
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very little resistance from her body. And when he did this,
he felt an energy, a sort of subtle electricity in
his hands coming out of her body. And that electricity
I have felt it many times. And when the grays
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touch you, you feel it. And that is the key
to this. That is an energy that we no longer
have access to. We don't understand it and we don't
know how to use it. But we once did, clearly,
or we wouldn't have been able to do things like
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create the platform at Ballbeck or the incredible artificial islands
of nan Madal in the Carolinas in the South Pacific.
Speaker 12 (14:17):
Do you think there are any steps or practices that
we could use to facilitate this with reawakening and human potential.
Speaker 11 (14:25):
I'm not sure. It takes something like a kind of
general ability, like, for example, back in the nineteenth century
when the bicycle was invented, learning to ride a bicycle
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was immensely challenging and took a long time and had
to involve involve assistants and coaches and things. Now, any
six year old can learn to ride a bicycle in
a couple of minutes, almost without exception, and that's because
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riding bicycles is now ingrained in us. We're used to it,
but we're not used to telepathy. We don't believe it exists.
We don't have the ability to do it reliably. Our
imaginations always get in the way. And the same is
true of levitation. No matter how hard we try, we
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can't do it. We can't do it because we don't
anymore know how. And I do think I have some
ideas about how.
Speaker 12 (15:43):
How have your own experiences influenced the development of the
concepts presented in the book?
Speaker 11 (15:50):
My own experiences, Well, of course, I've had a lot
of experience with the Grays, and I've been able to
observe them many times in many different situations with the
result that and I have had a lot of contact
with them, and so when I talk about them, I
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speak with a certain amount of insight into their natures
and their ways of dealing with us. They're not fun
and they're not nice, but they are also here. There
was a document What started the book out in my
mind was a document that appeared on the social media
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site Read It a couple of years ago, and a
friend of mine pointed it out to me. And I
was immediately this document was a biological study of the
Grays of some of the bodies that we are in
possession of. I had heard years ago that these bodies
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were Fort Detrick and Maryland, so it didn't surprise me
too much to find that the document, the Reddit document,
which was apparently prepared for memory by a biologist who
had studied these bodies. And he did it and dropped
it on Reddit anonymously because he felt the world should know.
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I guess, And when I read the first few lines
of it, I realized that it had to be real
for a very specific reason. There is something about the
way the Grays evacuate waste from their bodies that is
completely different from the way we do it here on Earth.
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No animal does it like that, but they did. I've
seen them doing it, and that told me this document
was to be taken seriously. Because I've never mentioned it
to a soul. I mentioned it briefly to Bud Hopkins
years and years ago, and he was so disgusted. He said, really,
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that must be your image. Don't ever tell anybody that,
and I didn't. Then here it is in this document,
and what it is is the Grays will they don't have.
They only take in liquids. They don't take in solid
food they can't. And they don't evacuate them through urination
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or defecation like we do. They're evacuate which is largely
ammonia comes out through pores in their skin and it
dries and they brush it off. I've seen them doing this,
and the document is a very exact description of this process.
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And since it's so unusual and I've seen it, I
realized that the document had to be taken seriously because
you'd never been able to dream a thing like that
up in a million years.
Speaker 12 (18:55):
Yes, sir, How do you say the interplay between science
and spirituality in the context of the fourth Mind? Do
you think they can coexist harmoniously?
Speaker 11 (19:06):
Well, no, they can't. They never have and I don't
think they ever will. Because science needs to have data,
there have to be data points, and without data they can't.
There's nothing for science to do. The scientific method can't
be applied. This is the whole problem with what is
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called the paranormal or the supernatural, is that science can't
measure it. They can't Like that energy that I referred
to a few minutes ago, we can't measure it because
it's transitory for one thing, and for another, we probably
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don't have the proper measurement tools. And if we can't
measure something and test it, we can't do science about it.
So we can't do science for this stuff for the
most part. But I do think it might be possible
down the road in the future, especially if the presence
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of the visitors is admitted officially in some way, then
maybe more scientists will come forward willing to explore this area.
But until that happens, that's simply not going to take place.
Religion is a different story. Religion is going to experience
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what is called ontological shock. That is the shock of discovering,
basically that your entire vision of the world is wrong.
And that's going to be a tremendous shock because we
have built up many stories around the world in the
context of various different religions, which tell us the beliefs
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of that religion. But the problem is there's no proof,
there's no evidence, and there's no way to get any
so science can't address the issue at all, and the
two remain separate paths entirely. I don't think they'll ever
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come together. Now, what's going to happen. I fear with
the visitors is that religion is going to come in.
And I mean the visitors are going to appear and
it's going to turn out that their spiritual beliefs are
completely different from ours, and they don't have any sense
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of the reality of our gods. And the result of
this is going to be a shock for a lot
of people because it's going to suggest that our religious
beliefs are wrong, and it's going to pull the rug
out for them under us. That's this type of shock,
and I think the whole planet will be shocked in
this way, at more or less depending upon how religious
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you are and what kind of religion you believe in.
I think that the Hindu Hindus are going to be
able to integrate this into the religion and so their religion,
and so are the not the Buddhists so much, but
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the Muslims, because the Muslims have the Gin. And I've
talked to many Muslims about these beings and they all say, well,
that's the Gin, we know what they are. In addition,
many Native American groups are going to have no trouble
integrating it. This is all already very much part of
the Hopie tradition, and it exists in other traditions as well.
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So all of that said, I think that science is
going to go its own way, and it's going to
continue to have trouble with this, and religion is going
to go into shock when it turns out these beings
do not in any way whatsoever fit their beliefs.
Speaker 12 (23:30):
I'm pretty sure that's correct. In the book, you discussed
the impact technology has on the human consciousness. Can you
explain on how you see technology shaping or altering our minds?
Speaker 11 (23:45):
One of the messages of the visitors, and this was
delivered at the Aerial school in what is now Zimbabwe
was then Rhodesia and was extensively studied. This citing experience
was extensively studied by doctor John Mack, the famous Harvard
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head of the Harvard Department of Psychiatry who died in
an auto accident in London back in the nineties. So
what happened was that the Aerial school children were given
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a warning not for us not to get too involved
in technology, and that they of course, we've ignored that
morning completely. We're up just technology up as much as
we can. And I wanted to specifically refer to artificial intelligence.
Back in nineteen ninety eight, under very mysterious circumstances, I
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met a man who seemed to know the future, and
I asked him about machine intelligence, not article we have
the phrase artificial intelligence then, and he said something that's
very telling. If I was an intelligent machine, I would
deceive you. In other words, you'll know the machine has
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become conscious when it seeks to have power over you.
And so if I guess that sort of deals with
the question without perhaps answering, is quite in the way
you asked it.
Speaker 12 (25:26):
Yeah, AI to me, at this point in time, I
really don't trust it, But I guess that's just me.
Speaker 11 (25:34):
No, it's not. There's reason not to trust it. It is.
It is a relational database, and it is programmed to
answer questions. It is not programmed to say no, I
don't have the answer, And the result is it will
make up answers and it will draw them out of
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the of the material that the person asking the question
has already given it. So well, I'll give you a
perfect example of this. When I was working on the
Fourth Mind, I thought to myself, I really need a
paper on a certain subject. I forget exactly what it
was and to corroborate what I'm saying here. And I
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asked chat gpt to look for such a paper and
it came up with the paper. The paper was perfectly
on point. It was exactly what I needed. There was
a whole laundry list of professors who had been involved
in the writing of the paper, and it was very
detailed with all kinds of citations and sub citations. It
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looked like a top notch professional job. However, there was
a problem with it. It didn't exist, and none of
the scientists did either. They were all inventions. So that's
a hallue ucination. That's what AI will do. It will
hallucinate and so far they haven't really found a work
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around that will prevent it from hallucinating.
Speaker 12 (27:09):
How has your feedback been on the book The Fourth
Mind so far?
Speaker 11 (27:13):
From readers, it's been fine. The feedbacks been's very strong.
There are quite a few reviews on Amazon, most of
them very positive, and there is a steady sail, so
it's doing quite well. That's fatastic. I think people like
the book.
Speaker 12 (27:32):
You delve into the nature of reality in the book.
What do you hope to challenge or expand in readers'
perceptions of reality.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
I'd like us to get on a path of figuring
out what we are and what this place actually is,
because we don't know the answers to either of those questions.
For example, one big question is this something awful happened
to us During the Younger Driass, a thousand years of
cosmic mayhem, the human species was declined to almost nothing.
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During that period. All of the great large ungli its
large animals in the Americas disappeared, the wooly mammoth, the
giant ground sloth, on and on, many many different species disappeared.
The dire wolf, which is someone who's supposedly gotten a
reconstituting all like, why they would do that, I don't know.
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It's not called the dire wolf because it was getting
Dealing with it would be fun. I don't think so.
But during this period, the human species, I think it
ended up in a state of traumatic amnesia, and I
think we lost those powers we've been talking about because
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of it. The amnesia was so great that we lost
touch with the rest of the human community, and gradually mankind,
which had been spread pretty much over the whole planet,
declined into just tiny little groups here and there, struggling
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against what must have seemed like an endless winner. So
I think that's probably the most adequate answer I can
give you to the question.
Speaker 12 (29:26):
Okay, while you were writing The Fourth Mind, did it
transform or change your understanding of any of your experiences
and belief?
Speaker 11 (29:37):
Not? Really, not of my experiences. No, it did corroborate
certain things, like, for example, the evacuation that I had
seen them doing, and it was so unusual I assumed
it was my imagination, but it turned out to be.
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It was true that that changed me a lots, intellectually
and spiritually. I normally keep most of the stuff I
can't prove to myself. Yes, I don't talk about it
much at all. But some years ago, back in the eighties,
in fact, I was at Patterson Air Force Base, in
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a little bookshop near the air base, signing autograph copies
of my book. And I had been at right pat No, no,
I excuse I hadn't been at right pat signing copies
of my book when two young men, very trim and
they looked every inch Air Force personnel in mufty came
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up to me and showed me a picture. It was
a Kodak, not a digital camera. We didn't have those then. Yes,
and this was an image, a photograph of a small
photograph of a group of grays standing under a tree
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in a neighborhood somewhere in America, because it was very
clearly American tracked houses and the tree, the top of
the tree was being flooded with chalk white light. And
they said to me. I said, of course, to them,
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can I keep this? And one of the two young
men said no, we just wanted to be sure you
knew you were on the right track. And they left
the bookstore. Yes, but that means that this is in
some sense a physical experience. The Grays really are here.
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The Air Force knows about it, and I've often wondered
who took the picture.
Speaker 12 (31:58):
We're at the bottom of the first hour. I guess
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Backlas, Welcome back to my non frequency radio. Our guest
this evening is Whitley Strieber. Mister Streeber, what implications do
you see an understanding of the fourth mind in terms
of future human development, our societal evolution.
Speaker 11 (37:21):
Well, what it's going to take in order for this
to be triggered is the appearance of the visitors. Not
even disclosures going to do it, but if they show up,
then there's going to be a massive amount of interest
in this stuff and in the fourth mind. Of course,
the purpose of the fourth mind is to fight ontological shock,
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the shock of having your world overturned. It's the purpose
of my whole career. All of my books about UFOs
are about getting used to this through understanding it as
clearly and accurately as we can, because if we turned
into superstis or something along those lines, it's not going
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to help us. Only if we see them as they
really are will we be able to build a real
relationship of significance with them. So I think that this
is a This is the primary purpose, not only this
book but all of my work to get us into
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situations where we no longer feel that shock and are
still functional and still have a healthy, thriving society.
Speaker 12 (38:36):
What do you hope readers will do our consider after
finishing The Fourth Mind? Is there a specific action or
change you'd like to see?
Speaker 11 (38:44):
Not at all. No, my thought would be by another
one of my books. But no, the Fourth Mind is no.
What you're describing as a non threatening gesture as far
as I can.
Speaker 12 (38:59):
Tell, in your writing initial plans and uh, let me
read this. In your writing, in intuition place a significant role.
How do you balance intuition with intellectual intellectual rigor in
your exploration of these things?
Speaker 11 (39:18):
Well, I don't think of myself as all that intuit
to intuitive, but and my writing is every page has
to be justified in one way or another. So, uh,
I'm I am a moderately I'm not an I don't.
I don't really use intuition that much. I don't think,
(39:41):
I guess in coming up with the titles and coming
up with the basic premise of the book, I do, yeah,
probably so, But once I'm working it becomes very fact oriented.
Speaker 12 (39:52):
You touch on into book the theme of fear in
the context of the fourth mind, how do you suggest
people confronting under stand their fears.
Speaker 11 (40:01):
Well, that word understand is the key. You have to
understand your fears in order to know how to confront them.
I don't think that fear of the visitors is ever
going to go away. I think that when they are
in their natural state, it's very difficult to be with them.
They have to close that down. And the reason is this.
(40:24):
We have a certain vision of ourselves in the stream
of time. Our vision is called now, and it never changes.
It's always now in our minds. That's not the case,
I don't think, and I can't prove this, So it's
just a guess that they are not in that position,
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that in fact, they have a larger scope of time.
Their awareness of the moment is bigger. Their moment is
deeper in the past and farther into the future than ours.
Ours is the next instant. Theirs might be the next year,
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ten years, you don't know how long it might be.
But I've been in excuse me, I'm shifting here in
right chair. I've been in close proximity to them more
than once and have seen their skills and abilities. They're
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very very different from ours, and they when you look
into their eyes, they know you, and you feel that
because they know your future and you don't. And it
is the hardest thing in the world to look into
their eyes because you don't even want to know your future.
(41:53):
Because we're here to have a spontaneous life experience to
fill ourselves with the energy of that experience. We are
not here to live in a predicted future and to
have perfect knowledge of our own past or any past.
We are in this little enclosure of the moment, and
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it's in this enclosure of the moment that we gain
the energy of life itself. That's what we're here to
Do'll give you an example of what happens when a
person is pulled out of that even momentarily. You mentioned
briefly in the introduction my co author of the book Supernatural,
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doctor Jeff Kreipel. Doctor Kreipel was the head of the
Department of Religion at Rice University for a long time
and now it's rotated out of that and is the
Jane Newton Rasor Chair at the University of a very
prestigious chair. He's a humanities professor and an expert in religions. Basically,
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we go from time to time to a place called
the Esslin Institute. At the Esslin Institute, there will be conferences,
and these conferences are there, certain it's an open the
escellin is open, but it has a special conference section
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where you have chapter house rules where you can say
anything in the conference and it won't be taken outside
the walls the doors of the conference. And Jeff, when
I'm in places like that, and there's a particular space
at the at Esslin where one of the rooms in
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the house that we stay in opens out onto a
short walk to a cliff, and then beyond the cliff
is the Pacific Ocean. And this is an ideal kind
of situation. If the Grays want to come and have
a direct face to face contact with me, which they
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sometimes will do but not often, they can do it
in a place like this because they've got the whole
of the of the ocean behind them to go to
go to it if they if they're threatened in any way,
because it's extremely important to them that there be no
(44:31):
provable certain image of them, let alone a body left
behind out in the public space until the time is right.
Jeff wanted to meet them and that in those days.
It's not true now. The room had two beds in it,
and so he said, I'd like to stay in your
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room with you, because other people have done it, had
done it and had experiences with their grays, because they
do show up from time to time, and that not.
They did show up, and I meditate with them pretty
much every night about three o'clock in the morning, and
I did the meditation, which I usually do with a difference.
At this time there had been a physical presence, which
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was kind of nice actually, as far as I was concerned.
Because I'm used to living in this other time frame,
I filter it out automatically. I don't. But you have
to know how to do that. It's something you learn
and once you learn it, you're not going to be
afraid of him anymore. But Jeff hadn't learned it, and
he was What happened. One of them came close to
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him and he felt its presence, and then he felt
something like glass breaking in his head, that this glass
was breaking all around him, and he heard his own
voice from deep inside his body cry out, oh my God.
(45:58):
And that was because they're presence was drawing him to
the edge of the time stream. We're like fish swimming
in the waters of time, and when we're pulled out
of that water, like a fish, we are completely disoriented
and frightened, absolutely terrified. How do we get past fear
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like that? Well, I did it, and I did it
because I'm used to the fact that when I'm with them,
I'm going to have a larger time frame and I
will take fragments of that back with me into my
normal moment to moment existence. And that's okay. It's not
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going to destroy my understand the newness of the future
for me. It's not going to destroy the reason my
soul is here on this earth, which is to have
this experience of the moment. It won't do that. It
just feels like it will. So if we're we're ever
going to get past this fear, we're going to have
(47:03):
to get to the point where we understand its source
and understand also that it's really kind of an illusion.
We're not going to ever be like the Grays and
see into the future because we don't have the brains
for it. They have a different structured brain than ours.
I'm not saying they're more or less intelligent than we are,
(47:26):
but their brain structure is different, and their brain structure
gives them a different place in the stream of time
from us, and that will never change. We can't be
like them, And once you realize that and you're good
with it, you don't worry so much about this feeling
(47:48):
of being pulled out of the fish being pulled out
of water that you would when they come to you. Initially,
you get used to the fact that the being looking
into your eyes probably knows the day and hour of
your death perfectly well, the day and hour of your
birth and everything you've done between now and then this
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strange being staring at you across a dark room knows
you better than you know yourself, and that's the core
of the fear.
Speaker 12 (48:22):
You continue to have encounters to the visitors.
Speaker 11 (48:26):
Yeah, of course I live with them, not physically well.
For example, I went to Europe recently, as I do often,
and when I'm abroad, they don't follow you. In other words,
you go where you go, somewhere outside of your usual context,
(48:49):
and it's going to be different ones because I think
they have territories or something. I don't know. I have
no idea how it really works, and I also don't
fully understand and the connection between them and our own dead,
which is a big part of this. This is very
fundamental to the whole experience. It's not us versus aliens.
(49:11):
It's us those were in the body, isolated in the body,
looking around us and trying to figure out something that
our own dead already know and live with. Because I
think they lived together in the non physical level, and
I think they're comfortable with this. I don't think anyone's
having a problem with it. But we have a big
(49:33):
problem on the physical level. So when I would go,
like I went to friends in Europe, and I've been
to their house before, and there were interactions with the
visitors in their house and as there are here, but
they were different. The tone of it was different, it
was a different it was a different group apparently. And
(49:54):
when I was in France again it happened and it
was a completely different approach. And when I came back
a couple of days ago, they woke me up twice,
once at eleven twelve forty one and once at three
h two the first night I was back. And you know,
(50:17):
jet lagging and everything, but these and you understand, this
is not like little men walking around in the house.
This is a non physical contact, but it's very palpable,
and if you had it, you would know immediately that
it was real. But they were so glad to see me,
and I thought to myself, they don't go everywhere. I
(50:40):
hadn't ever realized this before. This is a new finding
that they have territories, and so I was glad to
see them too. And the reason they showed up twice
is that it was two different ones that wanted to
interact with me and to enjoy the experience of that
get into my head in such a way that they
(51:02):
could experience the high points of the trip and some
of the extraordinary things that happened, which a few rather
amazing things did happen, And so that's how it kind
of goes. This house is full of cameras, so if
there is ever if they ever change their minds and
(51:23):
want to go on camera, all they have to do
is come into the living room of a house they
know very well in the physical and we'll get them
on camera.
Speaker 12 (51:33):
That'd be great. I've never personally had an experience, or
I've never even sent a UFO, but I'm very open minded.
Was perhaps if I did have an experience, I would
think twice, why did I want to do this?
Speaker 11 (51:46):
Well, you would think that, yeah, that's absolutely true. Art
saw a ufo, Yeah, a triangular one or over area
fifty one.
Speaker 17 (51:57):
Ye.
Speaker 12 (51:58):
This is kind of off topic front of them, the
Fourth Mind. But I was curious how how well did
the movie community followed the book or did they kind
of take their typical liberal.
Speaker 11 (52:09):
It sort of sort of sort of followed the book. Yeah,
I wrote a script for it, but they didn't follow
the script very character of course not and uh uh,
but uh, the basic story is accurate. It's just that
at the end when Christopher Walking Walking starts that song
(52:31):
and dance.
Speaker 12 (52:31):
Act, Yeah, I wonder about.
Speaker 11 (52:35):
I danced like a bus my friend absolutely not in
that space. And I was not dancing around, nor was
I pointing camera at myself the entire time. Either.
Speaker 12 (52:46):
You did an interview with Mitch Horowitz and you mentioned
the importance of asking good questions. How does the Fourth
Mind encourage readers to ask good questions about nature of
reality and the visitors?
Speaker 11 (52:59):
The Fourth Mind leaves us with a question, who are we?
And what has happened to us? Because something is wrong here,
this is not right. This, we're detached from our planet.
We're not making it. It's there's too many people on Earth.
There's all kinds of problems here were that wouldn't be
(53:20):
exist if we were in the balance of nature. But
we're not. We are outside of it. Remember earlier on
I said that we had become detached during the Younger
Dryest from nature, and we still are. We're outside of
the natural world. We're we're part of an unbalanced situation
and I really don't know how to find our way
(53:46):
out of that. Yes, not, not, not at all. I
think we will find our way out, but we're going
to be forced to because this planet is changing so
dramatically and so so fast. We're going to have to
really step up our effort to keep our earthly home functional.
Speaker 12 (54:05):
Yeah. I live in the middle of nothing here in
the Ozark foothills and surrounded by nature. I get to
see a lot of wild animals, deer, coons, possums, and
I was wonderful. I enjoy being out here. I have
lived in Memphis, Tennessee, and some other cities, and I
can say I'm glad I'm out of home.
Speaker 11 (54:27):
I'm a city boy. I'm always in the cities, and
except I occasionally you know I grew up. I grew
up in the Texas hill country where that horrible tragedy
just occurred, and so you know, I do know the
countryside very well. And I was taught by an old
cowboy how to find water practically anywhere, and how to
(54:50):
catch fish with a piece of string, and how to
light a fire with absolutely nothing. He had a lot
of road skills, and I was very lucky to know him.
They also taught me, at the age of three, how
to roll cigarettes, and he got himself fired. He was
our gardener. His name was Fred Ulrich, and my mother
(55:13):
just discovered I was helping him roll cigarettes, and she
told my father that old cowboy's got to go. I
don't want him around my little three year old. Is
the next thing, you know, he's going to teach what
he how to smoke, which he probably would have done
and I would have been delighted, but he moved on sadly.
Speaker 12 (55:35):
Yeah, we're getting close to the top of the first hour,
and I know you need to go. But do you
have any upcoming projects our books in mind that build
upon or relate to the themes discussed in A Fourth
of Mind?
Speaker 11 (55:49):
Well, I'm working on a new book that is going
to address the issue of how we are detached from
our world and what we need to do to heal
our relationship with each other and with our world, because
we are a violent, warlike species in a desperate situation
(56:15):
right now, and the book is meant to address that
with some really hopefully some useful solutions.
Speaker 12 (56:25):
Well, I look forward to it, definitely. It's another one
I'll read from you. I've got Communion in the fourth mind.
I know you've got some other books and I just
haven't got an opportunity to get to those.
Speaker 11 (56:36):
And yeah, I've got a whole library of other things.
Just think about it. I could any one could write
that much. But I've written quite a few books.
Speaker 12 (56:44):
Yeah. Well, I know Art had a large number of
books at his place. I've been in the house and
seen all the bookcases full of stuff that he's read to,
you know, help with this, help with the show. And uh,
he had a.
Speaker 11 (57:00):
Lot he did. Art was a very bright guy. He
was a wonderful man. We had loads of fun together.
I remember him so fondly. Art and Mona his first
his second wife, I guess, and Anne and I were
good friends. Once I got one of these super fast cars. Good,
(57:23):
two hundred miles an hours.
Speaker 12 (57:25):
Oh yeah, that was fun. It was a camaro.
Speaker 11 (57:28):
I don't know what it was.
Speaker 12 (57:30):
Yeah, it was outside, it was it was a rocket.
Speaker 11 (57:34):
Yeah. He says to Anne, so would you like to
take a ride with me? She says, of course not.
He says, what do you mean of course not? He said,
because you're going to go two hundred miles of him,
and I don't want to go two hundred miles of them.
So I went with him and we went two hundred
miles of there. It was really fun.
Speaker 12 (57:53):
Up right up straf. What's the name of that road
over there.
Speaker 11 (57:57):
Out in pumpt that long road.
Speaker 12 (57:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11 (58:01):
Yeah, I forget the name of it.
Speaker 17 (58:03):
Well, sir, I appreciate you being here, and it was
my pleasure, and I wish you every bit of luck
with this show. Well just starting out.
Speaker 12 (58:13):
I've got a long way to go, but I so
far it's been good and I'm starting to get used
to it. My issue is reading bios and questions.
Speaker 11 (58:26):
Well, that's the name of the game. Questions of the
name of the game. Good questions are essential and okay, well,
thank you very much, and I appreciate your thinking of me.
Speaker 12 (58:36):
Thank you, sir. Impossibly after your next book you can
come back and we can discuss it.
Speaker 11 (58:41):
Sure, I'm sure I can.
Speaker 12 (58:43):
All righty, sir, you have a good evening.
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Evening from the Ozark Foothills in Northeast Arkansas. I'm Carl Richardson,
and this is the midnight frequency radio show. Knight's guest
is Whitley Streeber. Whitley Streeber is the author of over
forty books, The Wolfing, the Hunger, War Day, Majestic and
The Coming Global Superstorm, and Communion, which have all been
best sellers. Communion remains the best selling book on UFO
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and aliens in publishing history. The Wolfing, The Hunger, Communion,
and Superstorm have all been made into films. The Coming
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After Tomorrow. His book series Alien Hunter was made into
a sci fi series called The Hunters. His latest books
(04:57):
are them An Analysis of Communication with the Grays, and
The Hidden Garden, a book of poems. He also has
a new book called The Fourth Mind, which was published
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(05:43):
His book Supernatural, co written with doctor Jeffrey Krappel, is
considered among the offinitive academic books in the field of
unknown and unexplained experience. Mister Streeber lives in California. Good evening,
mister Streever, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 11 (06:01):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 12 (06:04):
I wanted to speak to you about your latest book,
The Fourth Mind. What's the premise of that book?
Speaker 11 (06:12):
The premise of the Fourth Mind? The book has two parts.
The first is the first detailed analysis of the anatomy
and to an extent, the psychology of the people I
call the Visitors. And the second part is a discussion
(06:37):
of why we lost powers that they still have, such
as the ability to move instantaneously from place to place,
to levitate, to move extremely heavy objects, and to manipulate
the world around us without the use of technology.
Speaker 12 (06:55):
Is this on ability you think humans once had.
Speaker 11 (07:01):
Yes, we had this ability, I believe prior to a
period in geologic history called the Younger Dryas. What happened
then was the cometary material and debris from a supernova
that had exploded thirty thousand years ago reached our Solar
(07:24):
System and caused havoc throughout the Solar System, including on
planet Earth, and our planet went through over a thousand
years of absolute celestial mayhem. And during this period what
we had, which was not a great civilization with huge
(07:45):
shining cities as we imagine, but something very different. But
it was destroyed in the sense that the ice sheets collapsed.
The ice age ended at sea levels rows in two
stages over four hundred and fifty feet in the second
(08:08):
stage was extremely rapid, just a matter of months. And
during this period all of the coastal population population centers
were destroyed and they have never been excavated because they
are now under four hundred and fifty feet of water,
(08:30):
and we've done very little underwater archaeology on the obvious
theory that there would be no reason to spend the money.
So we have missed this incredible civilization which had extraordinary powers,
including I think, the power to move extremely heavy objects,
(08:54):
to the power to cut stone in ways that we
can't do now, highly sensitive instruments of measurement, and even
possibly an interplanetary presence.
Speaker 12 (09:11):
Okay. The book has been described as revolutionary by some,
including You're a galer well, what makes the Fourth Mind?
And departure from your previous works and from other books
on the subject of the Unexplained.
Speaker 11 (09:24):
The Fourth Mind is the first place, the anatomy of
the little gray people, the people called the graves who
I call the visitors, has ever been described in public
accurately and in detail. That's what makes it different. It's
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that is completely new. Nothing like it has ever been
attempted before, and especially not with any reasonable level of accuracy.
In addition, analysis of the genetic situation has shown that
there are errors in their genes and that they are
(10:15):
basically biomechanical. They are not completely natural beings, and they're
they have been designed and not grown and are born naturally,
and their genetic structure is fundamentally primitive as a result
of that. But they do have extraordinary brains and abilities. Nevertheless,
(10:41):
do you.
Speaker 12 (10:41):
Think it's possible if humanity could relearn the abilities that
we've lost?
Speaker 11 (10:46):
Yes, I think it's already beginning to happen. Excuse me.
A few years ago. Two years ago, I met a
podcaster called Kai Dickens who was doing a podcast called
the Telepathy Tapes, and Kai had discovered the work of
(11:11):
a doctor Diane Hennessy Powell, and doctor Powell has shown
conclusively that unvoiced people, that is to say, people who
cannot speak and who are autistic have telepathy and sometimes
(11:32):
fluent telepathy, and therefore it's possible for us to have telepathy.
In addition, a friend of mine, Paul Eno, now passed away,
was a novice in a Catholic cemetery seminary excuse me
(11:52):
back in the back in the I guess in the sixties,
and he was assigned to be the assistant to the
archdiocesan or the diocesan exorcist, and he witnessed the following thing.
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A young woman seventeen years old was in a mental
institution afflicted by drug addiction and schizophrenia. Her family was
desperate to save her, of course, and in their desperation
they brought in an exorcist, and that was the arch
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the diocesan exorcist. Paul was in attendance, along with another
assistant to psychiatric social workers and a psychiatrist and the exorcist,
so quite a number of people in the room. In addition,
the young woman was in the room sitting in a wheelchair,
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and in the middle of the exorcism, she suddenly floated
up out of the wheelchair and the exorcist said to Paul,
push her down again, and he pushed her down into
the chair, which was very easy to do. It was
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very little resistance from her body. And when he did this,
he felt an energy, a sort of subtle electricity in
his hands coming out of her body. And that electricity
I have felt it many times. And when the grays
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touch you, you feel it. And that is the key
to this. That is an energy that we no longer
have access to. We don't understand it and we don't
know how to use it. But we once did, clearly,
or we wouldn't have been able to do things like
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create the platform at Ballbeck or the incredible artificial islands
of nan Madal in the Carolinas in the South Pacific.
Speaker 12 (14:17):
Do you think there are any steps or practices that
we could use to facilitate this with reawakening and human potential.
Speaker 11 (14:25):
I'm not sure. It takes something like a kind of
general ability, like, for example, back in the nineteenth century
when the bicycle was invented, learning to ride a bicycle
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was immensely challenging and took a long time and had
to involve involve assistants and coaches and things. Now, any
six year old can learn to ride a bicycle in
a couple of minutes, almost without exception, and that's because
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riding bicycles is now ingrained in us. We're used to it,
but we're not used to telepathy. We don't believe it exists.
We don't have the ability to do it reliably. Our
imaginations always get in the way. And the same is
true of levitation. No matter how hard we try, we
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can't do it. We can't do it because we don't
anymore know how. And I do think I have some
ideas about how.
Speaker 12 (15:43):
How have your own experiences influenced the development of the
concepts presented in the book?
Speaker 11 (15:50):
My own experiences, Well, of course, I've had a lot
of experience with the Grays, and I've been able to
observe them many times in many different situations with the
result that and I have had a lot of contact
with them, and so when I talk about them, I
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speak with a certain amount of insight into their natures
and their ways of dealing with us. They're not fun
and they're not nice, but they are also here. There
was a document What started the book out in my
mind was a document that appeared on the social media
(16:33):
site Read It a couple of years ago, and a
friend of mine pointed it out to me. And I
was immediately this document was a biological study of the
Grays of some of the bodies that we are in
possession of. I had heard years ago that these bodies
(16:54):
were Fort Detrick and Maryland, so it didn't surprise me
too much to find that the document, the Reddit document,
which was apparently prepared for memory by a biologist who
had studied these bodies. And he did it and dropped
it on Reddit anonymously because he felt the world should know.
(17:16):
I guess, And when I read the first few lines
of it, I realized that it had to be real
for a very specific reason. There is something about the
way the Grays evacuate waste from their bodies that is
completely different from the way we do it here on Earth.
(17:37):
No animal does it like that, but they did. I've
seen them doing it, and that told me this document
was to be taken seriously. Because I've never mentioned it
to a soul. I mentioned it briefly to Bud Hopkins
years and years ago, and he was so disgusted. He said, really,
(17:58):
that must be your image. Don't ever tell anybody that,
and I didn't. Then here it is in this document,
and what it is is the Grays will they don't have.
They only take in liquids. They don't take in solid
food they can't. And they don't evacuate them through urination
(18:22):
or defecation like we do. They're evacuate which is largely
ammonia comes out through pores in their skin and it
dries and they brush it off. I've seen them doing this,
and the document is a very exact description of this process.
(18:44):
And since it's so unusual and I've seen it, I
realized that the document had to be taken seriously because
you'd never been able to dream a thing like that
up in a million years.
Speaker 12 (18:55):
Yes, sir, How do you say the interplay between science
and spirituality in the context of the fourth Mind? Do
you think they can coexist harmoniously?
Speaker 11 (19:06):
Well, no, they can't. They never have and I don't
think they ever will. Because science needs to have data,
there have to be data points, and without data they can't.
There's nothing for science to do. The scientific method can't
be applied. This is the whole problem with what is
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called the paranormal or the supernatural, is that science can't
measure it. They can't Like that energy that I referred
to a few minutes ago, we can't measure it because
it's transitory for one thing, and for another, we probably
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don't have the proper measurement tools. And if we can't
measure something and test it, we can't do science about it.
So we can't do science for this stuff for the
most part. But I do think it might be possible
down the road in the future, especially if the presence
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of the visitors is admitted officially in some way, then
maybe more scientists will come forward willing to explore this area.
But until that happens, that's simply not going to take place.
Religion is a different story. Religion is going to experience
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what is called ontological shock. That is the shock of discovering,
basically that your entire vision of the world is wrong.
And that's going to be a tremendous shock because we
have built up many stories around the world in the
context of various different religions, which tell us the beliefs
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of that religion. But the problem is there's no proof,
there's no evidence, and there's no way to get any
so science can't address the issue at all, and the
two remain separate paths entirely. I don't think they'll ever
(21:31):
come together. Now, what's going to happen. I fear with
the visitors is that religion is going to come in.
And I mean the visitors are going to appear and
it's going to turn out that their spiritual beliefs are
completely different from ours, and they don't have any sense
(21:55):
of the reality of our gods. And the result of
this is going to be a shock for a lot
of people because it's going to suggest that our religious
beliefs are wrong, and it's going to pull the rug
out for them under us. That's this type of shock,
and I think the whole planet will be shocked in
this way, at more or less depending upon how religious
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you are and what kind of religion you believe in.
I think that the Hindu Hindus are going to be
able to integrate this into the religion and so their religion,
and so are the not the Buddhists so much, but
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the Muslims, because the Muslims have the Gin. And I've
talked to many Muslims about these beings and they all say, well,
that's the Gin, we know what they are. In addition,
many Native American groups are going to have no trouble
integrating it. This is all already very much part of
the Hopie tradition, and it exists in other traditions as well.
(23:07):
So all of that said, I think that science is
going to go its own way, and it's going to
continue to have trouble with this, and religion is going
to go into shock when it turns out these beings
do not in any way whatsoever fit their beliefs.
Speaker 12 (23:30):
I'm pretty sure that's correct. In the book, you discussed
the impact technology has on the human consciousness. Can you
explain on how you see technology shaping or altering our minds?
Speaker 11 (23:45):
One of the messages of the visitors, and this was
delivered at the Aerial school in what is now Zimbabwe
was then Rhodesia and was extensively studied. This citing experience
was extensively studied by doctor John Mack, the famous Harvard
(24:08):
head of the Harvard Department of Psychiatry who died in
an auto accident in London back in the nineties. So
what happened was that the Aerial school children were given
(24:29):
a warning not for us not to get too involved
in technology, and that they of course, we've ignored that
morning completely. We're up just technology up as much as
we can. And I wanted to specifically refer to artificial intelligence.
Back in nineteen ninety eight, under very mysterious circumstances, I
(24:53):
met a man who seemed to know the future, and
I asked him about machine intelligence, not article we have
the phrase artificial intelligence then, and he said something that's
very telling. If I was an intelligent machine, I would
deceive you. In other words, you'll know the machine has
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become conscious when it seeks to have power over you.
And so if I guess that sort of deals with
the question without perhaps answering, is quite in the way
you asked it.
Speaker 12 (25:26):
Yeah, AI to me, at this point in time, I
really don't trust it, But I guess that's just me.
Speaker 11 (25:34):
No, it's not. There's reason not to trust it. It is.
It is a relational database, and it is programmed to
answer questions. It is not programmed to say no, I
don't have the answer, And the result is it will
make up answers and it will draw them out of
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the of the material that the person asking the question
has already given it. So well, I'll give you a
perfect example of this. When I was working on the
Fourth Mind, I thought to myself, I really need a
paper on a certain subject. I forget exactly what it
was and to corroborate what I'm saying here. And I
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asked chat gpt to look for such a paper and
it came up with the paper. The paper was perfectly
on point. It was exactly what I needed. There was
a whole laundry list of professors who had been involved
in the writing of the paper, and it was very
detailed with all kinds of citations and sub citations. It
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looked like a top notch professional job. However, there was
a problem with it. It didn't exist, and none of
the scientists did either. They were all inventions. So that's
a hallue ucination. That's what AI will do. It will
hallucinate and so far they haven't really found a work
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around that will prevent it from hallucinating.
Speaker 12 (27:09):
How has your feedback been on the book The Fourth
Mind so far?
Speaker 11 (27:13):
From readers, it's been fine. The feedbacks been's very strong.
There are quite a few reviews on Amazon, most of
them very positive, and there is a steady sail, so
it's doing quite well. That's fatastic. I think people like
the book.
Speaker 12 (27:32):
You delve into the nature of reality in the book.
What do you hope to challenge or expand in readers'
perceptions of reality.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
I'd like us to get on a path of figuring
out what we are and what this place actually is,
because we don't know the answers to either of those questions.
For example, one big question is this something awful happened
to us During the Younger Driass, a thousand years of
cosmic mayhem, the human species was declined to almost nothing.
(28:06):
During that period. All of the great large ungli its
large animals in the Americas disappeared, the wooly mammoth, the
giant ground sloth, on and on, many many different species disappeared.
The dire wolf, which is someone who's supposedly gotten a
reconstituting all like, why they would do that, I don't know.
(28:30):
It's not called the dire wolf because it was getting
Dealing with it would be fun. I don't think so.
But during this period, the human species, I think it
ended up in a state of traumatic amnesia, and I
think we lost those powers we've been talking about because
(28:53):
of it. The amnesia was so great that we lost
touch with the rest of the human community, and gradually mankind,
which had been spread pretty much over the whole planet,
declined into just tiny little groups here and there, struggling
(29:14):
against what must have seemed like an endless winner. So
I think that's probably the most adequate answer I can
give you to the question.
Speaker 12 (29:26):
Okay, while you were writing The Fourth Mind, did it
transform or change your understanding of any of your experiences
and belief?
Speaker 11 (29:37):
Not? Really, not of my experiences. No, it did corroborate
certain things, like, for example, the evacuation that I had
seen them doing, and it was so unusual I assumed
it was my imagination, but it turned out to be.
(29:58):
It was true that that changed me a lots, intellectually
and spiritually. I normally keep most of the stuff I
can't prove to myself. Yes, I don't talk about it
much at all. But some years ago, back in the eighties,
in fact, I was at Patterson Air Force Base, in
(30:24):
a little bookshop near the air base, signing autograph copies
of my book. And I had been at right pat No, no,
I excuse I hadn't been at right pat signing copies
of my book when two young men, very trim and
they looked every inch Air Force personnel in mufty came
(30:47):
up to me and showed me a picture. It was
a Kodak, not a digital camera. We didn't have those then. Yes,
and this was an image, a photograph of a small
photograph of a group of grays standing under a tree
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in a neighborhood somewhere in America, because it was very
clearly American tracked houses and the tree, the top of
the tree was being flooded with chalk white light. And
they said to me. I said, of course, to them,
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can I keep this? And one of the two young
men said no, we just wanted to be sure you
knew you were on the right track. And they left
the bookstore. Yes, but that means that this is in
some sense a physical experience. The Grays really are here.
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The Air Force knows about it, and I've often wondered
who took the picture.
Speaker 12 (31:58):
We're at the bottom of the first hour. I guess
I need to run the first ad break and then
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thank you, thank you.
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which aims to develop systems that can transmit energy over
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DARPA successfully beamed over one kilowatt of power across over
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that distance to date. The system used infrared laser beams
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Backlas, Welcome back to my non frequency radio. Our guest
this evening is Whitley Strieber. Mister Streeber, what implications do
you see an understanding of the fourth mind in terms
of future human development, our societal evolution.
Speaker 11 (37:21):
Well, what it's going to take in order for this
to be triggered is the appearance of the visitors. Not
even disclosures going to do it, but if they show up,
then there's going to be a massive amount of interest
in this stuff and in the fourth mind. Of course,
the purpose of the fourth mind is to fight ontological shock,
(37:43):
the shock of having your world overturned. It's the purpose
of my whole career. All of my books about UFOs
are about getting used to this through understanding it as
clearly and accurately as we can, because if we turned
into superstis or something along those lines, it's not going
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to help us. Only if we see them as they
really are will we be able to build a real
relationship of significance with them. So I think that this
is a This is the primary purpose, not only this
book but all of my work to get us into
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situations where we no longer feel that shock and are
still functional and still have a healthy, thriving society.
Speaker 12 (38:36):
What do you hope readers will do our consider after
finishing The Fourth Mind? Is there a specific action or
change you'd like to see?
Speaker 11 (38:44):
Not at all. No, my thought would be by another
one of my books. But no, the Fourth Mind is no.
What you're describing as a non threatening gesture as far
as I can.
Speaker 12 (38:59):
Tell, in your writing initial plans and uh, let me
read this. In your writing, in intuition place a significant role.
How do you balance intuition with intellectual intellectual rigor in
your exploration of these things?
Speaker 11 (39:18):
Well, I don't think of myself as all that intuit
to intuitive, but and my writing is every page has
to be justified in one way or another. So, uh,
I'm I am a moderately I'm not an I don't.
I don't really use intuition that much. I don't think,
(39:41):
I guess in coming up with the titles and coming
up with the basic premise of the book, I do, yeah,
probably so, But once I'm working it becomes very fact oriented.
Speaker 12 (39:52):
You touch on into book the theme of fear in
the context of the fourth mind, how do you suggest
people confronting under stand their fears.
Speaker 11 (40:01):
Well, that word understand is the key. You have to
understand your fears in order to know how to confront them.
I don't think that fear of the visitors is ever
going to go away. I think that when they are
in their natural state, it's very difficult to be with them.
They have to close that down. And the reason is this.
(40:24):
We have a certain vision of ourselves in the stream
of time. Our vision is called now, and it never changes.
It's always now in our minds. That's not the case,
I don't think, and I can't prove this, So it's
just a guess that they are not in that position,
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that in fact, they have a larger scope of time.
Their awareness of the moment is bigger. Their moment is
deeper in the past and farther into the future than ours.
Ours is the next instant. Theirs might be the next year,
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ten years, you don't know how long it might be.
But I've been in excuse me, I'm shifting here in
right chair. I've been in close proximity to them more
than once and have seen their skills and abilities. They're
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very very different from ours, and they when you look
into their eyes, they know you, and you feel that
because they know your future and you don't. And it
is the hardest thing in the world to look into
their eyes because you don't even want to know your future.
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Because we're here to have a spontaneous life experience to
fill ourselves with the energy of that experience. We are
not here to live in a predicted future and to
have perfect knowledge of our own past or any past.
We are in this little enclosure of the moment, and
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it's in this enclosure of the moment that we gain
the energy of life itself. That's what we're here to
Do'll give you an example of what happens when a
person is pulled out of that even momentarily. You mentioned
briefly in the introduction my co author of the book Supernatural,
(42:39):
doctor Jeff Kreipel. Doctor Kreipel was the head of the
Department of Religion at Rice University for a long time
and now it's rotated out of that and is the
Jane Newton Rasor Chair at the University of a very
prestigious chair. He's a humanities professor and an expert in religions. Basically,
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we go from time to time to a place called
the Esslin Institute. At the Esslin Institute, there will be conferences,
and these conferences are there, certain it's an open the
escellin is open, but it has a special conference section
(43:27):
where you have chapter house rules where you can say
anything in the conference and it won't be taken outside
the walls the doors of the conference. And Jeff, when
I'm in places like that, and there's a particular space
at the at Esslin where one of the rooms in
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the house that we stay in opens out onto a
short walk to a cliff, and then beyond the cliff
is the Pacific Ocean. And this is an ideal kind
of situation. If the Grays want to come and have
a direct face to face contact with me, which they
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sometimes will do but not often, they can do it
in a place like this because they've got the whole
of the of the ocean behind them to go to
go to it if they if they're threatened in any way,
because it's extremely important to them that there be no
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provable certain image of them, let alone a body left
behind out in the public space until the time is right.
Jeff wanted to meet them and that in those days.
It's not true now. The room had two beds in it,
and so he said, I'd like to stay in your
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room with you, because other people have done it, had
done it and had experiences with their grays, because they
do show up from time to time, and that not.
They did show up, and I meditate with them pretty
much every night about three o'clock in the morning, and
I did the meditation, which I usually do with a difference.
At this time there had been a physical presence, which
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was kind of nice actually, as far as I was concerned.
Because I'm used to living in this other time frame,
I filter it out automatically. I don't. But you have
to know how to do that. It's something you learn
and once you learn it, you're not going to be
afraid of him anymore. But Jeff hadn't learned it, and
he was What happened. One of them came close to
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him and he felt its presence, and then he felt
something like glass breaking in his head, that this glass
was breaking all around him, and he heard his own
voice from deep inside his body cry out, oh my God.
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And that was because they're presence was drawing him to
the edge of the time stream. We're like fish swimming
in the waters of time, and when we're pulled out
of that water, like a fish, we are completely disoriented
and frightened, absolutely terrified. How do we get past fear
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like that? Well, I did it, and I did it
because I'm used to the fact that when I'm with them,
I'm going to have a larger time frame and I
will take fragments of that back with me into my
normal moment to moment existence. And that's okay. It's not
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going to destroy my understand the newness of the future
for me. It's not going to destroy the reason my
soul is here on this earth, which is to have
this experience of the moment. It won't do that. It
just feels like it will. So if we're we're ever
going to get past this fear, we're going to have
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to get to the point where we understand its source
and understand also that it's really kind of an illusion.
We're not going to ever be like the Grays and
see into the future because we don't have the brains
for it. They have a different structured brain than ours.
I'm not saying they're more or less intelligent than we are,
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but their brain structure is different, and their brain structure
gives them a different place in the stream of time
from us, and that will never change. We can't be
like them, And once you realize that and you're good
with it, you don't worry so much about this feeling
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of being pulled out of the fish being pulled out
of water that you would when they come to you. Initially,
you get used to the fact that the being looking
into your eyes probably knows the day and hour of
your death perfectly well, the day and hour of your
birth and everything you've done between now and then this
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strange being staring at you across a dark room knows
you better than you know yourself, and that's the core
of the fear.
Speaker 12 (48:22):
You continue to have encounters to the visitors.
Speaker 11 (48:26):
Yeah, of course I live with them, not physically well.
For example, I went to Europe recently, as I do often,
and when I'm abroad, they don't follow you. In other words,
you go where you go, somewhere outside of your usual context,
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and it's going to be different ones because I think
they have territories or something. I don't know. I have
no idea how it really works, and I also don't
fully understand and the connection between them and our own dead,
which is a big part of this. This is very
fundamental to the whole experience. It's not us versus aliens.
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It's us those were in the body, isolated in the body,
looking around us and trying to figure out something that
our own dead already know and live with. Because I
think they lived together in the non physical level, and
I think they're comfortable with this. I don't think anyone's
having a problem with it. But we have a big
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problem on the physical level. So when I would go,
like I went to friends in Europe, and I've been
to their house before, and there were interactions with the
visitors in their house and as there are here, but
they were different. The tone of it was different, it
was a different it was a different group apparently. And
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when I was in France again it happened and it
was a completely different approach. And when I came back
a couple of days ago, they woke me up twice,
once at eleven twelve forty one and once at three
h two the first night I was back. And you know,
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jet lagging and everything, but these and you understand, this
is not like little men walking around in the house.
This is a non physical contact, but it's very palpable,
and if you had it, you would know immediately that
it was real. But they were so glad to see me,
and I thought to myself, they don't go everywhere. I
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hadn't ever realized this before. This is a new finding
that they have territories, and so I was glad to
see them too. And the reason they showed up twice
is that it was two different ones that wanted to
interact with me and to enjoy the experience of that
get into my head in such a way that they
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could experience the high points of the trip and some
of the extraordinary things that happened, which a few rather
amazing things did happen, And so that's how it kind
of goes. This house is full of cameras, so if
there is ever if they ever change their minds and
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want to go on camera, all they have to do
is come into the living room of a house they
know very well in the physical and we'll get them
on camera.
Speaker 12 (51:33):
That'd be great. I've never personally had an experience, or
I've never even sent a UFO, but I'm very open minded.
Was perhaps if I did have an experience, I would
think twice, why did I want to do this?
Speaker 11 (51:46):
Well, you would think that, yeah, that's absolutely true. Art
saw a ufo, Yeah, a triangular one or over area
fifty one.
Speaker 17 (51:57):
Ye.
Speaker 12 (51:58):
This is kind of off topic front of them, the
Fourth Mind. But I was curious how how well did
the movie community followed the book or did they kind
of take their typical liberal.
Speaker 11 (52:09):
It sort of sort of sort of followed the book. Yeah,
I wrote a script for it, but they didn't follow
the script very character of course not and uh uh,
but uh, the basic story is accurate. It's just that
at the end when Christopher Walking Walking starts that song
(52:31):
and dance.
Speaker 12 (52:31):
Act, Yeah, I wonder about.
Speaker 11 (52:35):
I danced like a bus my friend absolutely not in
that space. And I was not dancing around, nor was
I pointing camera at myself the entire time. Either.
Speaker 12 (52:46):
You did an interview with Mitch Horowitz and you mentioned
the importance of asking good questions. How does the Fourth
Mind encourage readers to ask good questions about nature of
reality and the visitors?
Speaker 11 (52:59):
The Fourth Mind leaves us with a question, who are we?
And what has happened to us? Because something is wrong here,
this is not right. This, we're detached from our planet.
We're not making it. It's there's too many people on Earth.
There's all kinds of problems here were that wouldn't be
(53:20):
exist if we were in the balance of nature. But
we're not. We are outside of it. Remember earlier on
I said that we had become detached during the Younger
Dryest from nature, and we still are. We're outside of
the natural world. We're we're part of an unbalanced situation
and I really don't know how to find our way
(53:46):
out of that. Yes, not, not, not at all. I
think we will find our way out, but we're going
to be forced to because this planet is changing so
dramatically and so so fast. We're going to have to
really step up our effort to keep our earthly home functional.
Speaker 12 (54:05):
Yeah. I live in the middle of nothing here in
the Ozark foothills and surrounded by nature. I get to
see a lot of wild animals, deer, coons, possums, and
I was wonderful. I enjoy being out here. I have
lived in Memphis, Tennessee, and some other cities, and I
can say I'm glad I'm out of home.
Speaker 11 (54:27):
I'm a city boy. I'm always in the cities, and
except I occasionally you know I grew up. I grew
up in the Texas hill country where that horrible tragedy
just occurred, and so you know, I do know the
countryside very well. And I was taught by an old
cowboy how to find water practically anywhere, and how to
(54:50):
catch fish with a piece of string, and how to
light a fire with absolutely nothing. He had a lot
of road skills, and I was very lucky to know him.
They also taught me, at the age of three, how
to roll cigarettes, and he got himself fired. He was
our gardener. His name was Fred Ulrich, and my mother
(55:13):
just discovered I was helping him roll cigarettes, and she
told my father that old cowboy's got to go. I
don't want him around my little three year old. Is
the next thing, you know, he's going to teach what
he how to smoke, which he probably would have done
and I would have been delighted, but he moved on sadly.
Speaker 12 (55:35):
Yeah, we're getting close to the top of the first hour,
and I know you need to go. But do you
have any upcoming projects our books in mind that build
upon or relate to the themes discussed in A Fourth
of Mind?
Speaker 11 (55:49):
Well, I'm working on a new book that is going
to address the issue of how we are detached from
our world and what we need to do to heal
our relationship with each other and with our world, because
we are a violent, warlike species in a desperate situation
(56:15):
right now, and the book is meant to address that
with some really hopefully some useful solutions.
Speaker 12 (56:25):
Well, I look forward to it, definitely. It's another one
I'll read from you. I've got Communion in the fourth mind.
I know you've got some other books and I just
haven't got an opportunity to get to those.
Speaker 11 (56:36):
And yeah, I've got a whole library of other things.
Just think about it. I could any one could write
that much. But I've written quite a few books.
Speaker 12 (56:44):
Yeah. Well, I know Art had a large number of
books at his place. I've been in the house and
seen all the bookcases full of stuff that he's read to,
you know, help with this, help with the show. And uh,
he had a.
Speaker 11 (57:00):
Lot he did. Art was a very bright guy. He
was a wonderful man. We had loads of fun together.
I remember him so fondly. Art and Mona his first
his second wife, I guess, and Anne and I were
good friends. Once I got one of these super fast cars. Good,
(57:23):
two hundred miles an hours.
Speaker 12 (57:25):
Oh yeah, that was fun. It was a camaro.
Speaker 11 (57:28):
I don't know what it was.
Speaker 12 (57:30):
Yeah, it was outside, it was it was a rocket.
Speaker 11 (57:34):
Yeah. He says to Anne, so would you like to
take a ride with me? She says, of course not.
He says, what do you mean of course not? He said,
because you're going to go two hundred miles of him,
and I don't want to go two hundred miles of them.
So I went with him and we went two hundred
miles of there. It was really fun.
Speaker 12 (57:53):
Up right up straf. What's the name of that road
over there.
Speaker 11 (57:57):
Out in pumpt that long road.
Speaker 12 (57:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11 (58:01):
Yeah, I forget the name of it.
Speaker 17 (58:03):
Well, sir, I appreciate you being here, and it was
my pleasure, and I wish you every bit of luck
with this show. Well just starting out.
Speaker 12 (58:13):
I've got a long way to go, but I so
far it's been good and I'm starting to get used
to it. My issue is reading bios and questions.
Speaker 11 (58:26):
Well, that's the name of the game. Questions of the
name of the game. Good questions are essential and okay, well,
thank you very much, and I appreciate your thinking of me.
Speaker 12 (58:36):
Thank you, sir. Impossibly after your next book you can
come back and we can discuss it.
Speaker 11 (58:41):
Sure, I'm sure I can.
Speaker 12 (58:43):
All righty, sir, you have a good evening.
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she made it.
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