September 24, 2025 • 41 mins
The source provides an extensive guide to the best used Lexus models available in the 2025 used car market, emphasizing the brand's reputation for exceptional reliability and strong value retention. It explains that used Lexus vehicles offer a blend of luxury and affordability for buyers seeking a premium experience without the new car cost. The episode specifically reviews top choices across categories, including sedans (ES and IS) and SUVs (RX and NX), offering recommended model years, key features to seek out, and average used prices. Finally, the guide concludes with essential tips for buying a used Lexus, such as checking maintenance history and considering Certified Pre-Owned (CPO) options.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the deep dive. Today, we are strapping ourselves
into the driver's seat. We're tackling the used luxury car market,
but we're focus really focusing on that sweet spot where reliability, refinement,
and genuine value seem to meet almost perfectly. We're talking
about used Lexus model.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
That's right. Look, if you're looking for the ultimate shortcut
to being well informed, the used Lexus market is well,
it's basically a gold mine, right, But you have to
know where to dig. You need to know which models,
which years, which specific platforms to target.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So that's our mission today exactly, We're going.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
To distill those choices. The goal is to give you
that premium luxury experience without you having to shell out
the premium price tag of a brand new car.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
And Lexus can even be in this conversation because of
its DNA. Fundamentally, it isn't just another luxury brand tossed
into the mix. It's the high end, sophisticated arm of
Toyota and.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
That connection, that lineage, it translates directly into what buyers want.
Ticulous engineering, really refined design, and this is the key
for used buyers. Exceptional reliability and durability, it just leaves
most competitors frankly in the dust.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It's like that Toyota engineering philosophy, you know, overbuilt, designed
for the long all but wearing a much nicer suit.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
A very nice suit. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And the data, the objective data, backs this up time
and time again. You look at JD Power, you look
at consumer reports year after year, Lexus is right there
at the top or very near it for long term reliability.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah. That's the bedrock insight here, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It really is, because it means a used Lexus, even
one with say higher mileage, isn't the gamble it might
be with other luxury brands. It's actually a genuinely safe
bet for quality.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Okay, so let's dive in. We're going to break down
the top choices sedans, SUVs, hybrids, even some performance options.
We'll focus not just on which models are good, but
crucially on their proven longevity, how they hold their value
and pinpointing those ideal model years. Looking at it from
today twenty twenty five, they give you the best mix
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of modern features and well affordable prices.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
So when we talk about the core appeal, the real
draw of a used Lexus, it's almost a unique thing
in the market. You've got cost conscious buyers, people looking
for value, getting a truly premium experience without compromising on
the fundamental quality the bones of the vehicle. You're essentially
buying the engineering, the refinement that went into a car
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that originally cost what fifty sixty maybe seventy thousand dollars
more or more. Yeah, but you're getting it for half,
sometimes even a third of that original price.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And that ties straight into the longevity aspect, the durability.
It's almost legendary at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
It is.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
This isn't a car you typically buy thinking, oh, I'll
just lease it for three years and then dump it.
The sources we looked at really emphasize that with proper care,
and that's the key caveat right. Maintenance matters hugely. These
vehicles are just fundamentally built to last. Surpassing two hundred
thousand miles isn't unusual, It's almost expected.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
If they're looked after, and that is the defining difference,
especially when you compare it to some of the European
luxury competitors. They might offer, you know, maybe a slightly
more thrilling drive on their brand new but often between
one one hundred and fifty thousand miles, they're nearing the
end of their cost effective lifespan.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Because repairs get complicated and expensive.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Exactly complex systems, expensive parts. Alexis at that mileage, it's
often just hitting its stride. Yeah, that reliability fundamentally changes
the whole equation for cost of ownership over the long term.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
And because they last, they hold their value better too.
That depreciation curve isn't nearly as steep as many rivals.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Which means two things for you the buyer. First, today,
you get that fraction of the original price experience. Second,
down the road when you decide to sell or trade
it in, that strong resale value means you lose less money.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So it holds its value better. It's almost like a
better investment in that sense.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
It really is compared to most cars, absolutely and critically,
you're not not sacrificing modernity, not really. Even the older
models we're discussing, say, from the early twenty tens, they
offer a pretty good blend of safety features, genuinely luxurious
interiors with materials that hold up well.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, they don't tend to fall apart inside not.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Usually no and efficient power trains too. You're not driving
something that feels ancient in terms of basic safety, your capability.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Okay, this brings us to peace of mind options, specifically
certified pre owned CPO Lexus vehicles. Now for the learner,
someone may be new to used cars, CPO sounds great.
It seems like the safest path.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It definitely offers risk mitigation.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, but let me push back ap bit here. Given
how reliable Lexus is baseline, is that CPO price premium
always the smartest financial move or is it really just
for the extremely risk averse buyer.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's a really good question. It's necessary to ask. Look
for the truly budget focused buyer, someone who's comfortable digging
into maintenance records, maybe getting a good independent prepurchase inspection
a PPI. You might skip CPO and save that money upfront. Yeah,
definitely possible. Okay, However, the CPO label isn't just marketing fluff.
It offers something tangible, quantifiable. There's a rigorous, documented inspection
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process mandated by Lexus itself. We're talking one hundred and
sixty one points.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
They one hundred and sixty one.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That's thorough it is. Yeah, and beyond just the inspection
the CPO vehicles come with an extended warranty. It's backed
by Lexus, not some third party company.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And how long does that warranty typically last.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It often extends the original coverage out to six years
from the initial sale date, and crucially with unlimited miles
during that period.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Unlimited miles.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Okay, So that really mitigates the risk of buying used
especially those big ticket item failing transmission, complex electronics, hybrid components.
So yeah, it costs more upfront, but you're essentially buying
insurance against potentially huge repair bills down the line.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
So it's the safest path, especially maybe for the more complex,
tech heavy models we'll get into.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Exactly, it provides that extra layer of confidence.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, let's unpack the Sedans, because Lexis really perfected two
quite different Sadan personalities, and your choice here fundamentally shapes
your whole driving experience.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You've got the ES, the big, super comfortable cruiser, and
then you have the IS, the compact, much sportier handler.
It's really a choice between like quiet isolation and actual
driving engagement.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Exactly. So let's start with the comfort king the ES.
We're mainly focusing on the sixth generation here, which ran
from the twenty thirteen model year through twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah. Yes, its core identity is just that mid size
luxury sedan. Balance is amazing comfort, that bulletproofer liability we
talked about, and it's surprisingly affordable on the used market. Now,
if your daily drive involves a lot of traffic, or
maybe you do regular long highway trips, this car is
basically designed for you.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
The defining characteristic is isolation. That's what the engineer's focused on.
You get this really plush interior, high quality material sure,
but more importantly, incredible sound deadening. It's quiet, extremely quiet,
excellent noise insulation, and the ride quality is just smooth,
almost feels like it's gliding. It honestly rivals the comfort
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you'd find in executive cars that cost twice as much
when they.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Were new and under the hood. The powertrain is really
the star when it comes to longevity. The standard is
the e S three point fifty with that incredibly reliable
three point five liter V six. I think it's the
two grf E engine just the one. What makes that
specific engine so trustworthy, especially when you start talking about
high mileage.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Well, that two gr FEV six. It's just legendary within
Toyota and Lexis. It's naturally aspirated, so no turbos to
stress things out much simpler. Yeah, and it's known for
rarely suffering major issues like say, head gasket failures that
can plague other engines. It's just robust, simple design, conservative tuning,
strong internal parts. That's why you see these hitting two
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hundred thousand, even three hundred thousand miles pretty routinely.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
As long as you do the basics.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
As long as you do the basics, regular oil changes,
basic servicing often, that's all it needs. And we can't
forget the hybrid option. The EES three hundred outs super
fuel efficient. We'll circle back to that one in more
detail later.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Okay, So for someone shopping used right now, twenty twenty five,
what's the sweet spot we're recommending focusing on the twenty
sixteen through twenty eighteen model years. Why those specific years.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
This is really key. Those years got to refresh. Yeah,
so updated styling, revised headlights, tweaked grill, looks a bit
more modernate Okay, but the real game changer was Lexus
making their Safety System plus LSS plus standard equipment on
all e s models from twenty sixteen onwards.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Ah, the standard safety features. Okay, let's expand on that. Yeah,
what exactly does that LSS plus include in those years
and why is that important for someone buying today?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Right, So, in those later six gen models, you're typically
getting what they called LSS plus one point zero. That
package bundles together really crucial modern driver aids, things like
adaptive cruise.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Control which is great in traffic.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Oh, fantastic lane departure warning, usually with some steering assistant
nudge you back, and importantly, automatic emergency braking. They call
it the pre collision system, often with pedestrian detection.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
So having that standard from twenty sixteen makes those years
significantly more modern, feeling and safer compared to the say,
twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen models.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Absolutely, it brings the car much closer to current standards
and frankly might help keep your insurance rates a bit
lower in the future as these systems become more expected.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
When you're looking at listings for these sixteen to eighteen models,
what specific luxury features should buyers really hunt for to
get that full experience?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
You definitely want to look for cars equipped with the
premium or even better, the luxury package. That's where you
get the real tactile upgrades like genuine leather upholstery, not
the synthetic stuff. Heated and ventilated seats honestly almost a
must have once you've tried them totally, and if you
can find it the premium Mark Levenson audio system, it
sounds fantastic. These are features that really enhance the day
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to day luxury feel and they tend to age well.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
But every car has trade offs. You mentioned its focus
is purely comfort.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
What's the downside, Well, the ES prioritizes comfort so much
that it really lacks any kind of sporty handling. If
you try to hustle it through corners, you're going to
feel a lot of body roll. It's soft, intentionally soft.
Not a driver's car, definitely not. Also, the infotainment system,
especially in the earlier years of this generation, maybe pre
twenty seventeen, you can feel pretty dated. Often lacks native
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Apple Car Play or Android Auto integration.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Now you called that a minor tech annoyance, but hold on.
For a lot of buyers in twenty twenty five, having
good smartphone integration is almost non negotiable. Is that a
deal breaker or is there a common fix for that generation.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That's a very fair point. It is a big deal
for many people now. Fortunately because this generation ES is
so popular and well built, otherwise, the aftermarket is stepped up.
There are quite a few good quality aftermarket solutions available.
You can get replacement head units or interface boxes that
add CarPlay and Android Auto right on to the factory
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screen using the factory controls.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And is that expensive?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Usually just a few hundred dollars plus maybe installation if
you don't do it yourself. So it easily fixes the
single biggest tech drawback. And when you consider the average
used price for these what fifteen thousand to twenty five thousand.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Dollars roughly, Yeah, in that range.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Spending a bit extra for modern phone integration is totally
worth it for the overall value you're getting.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Okay, now we flip the script completely. If the ES
is like driving a quiet, comfy library on wheels, ah, yeah,
the IAS is more like a performance track day car.
Relatively speaking, for Lexis, this is the compact luxury sedan
for the buyer who actually wants an engaging sport yer
drive definitely appeals to a different crowd often younger.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Absolutely, this is where Lexis really proved they could build
a proper driver's car. The ISS this third generation running
twenty fourteen to twenty twenty. It's built on a rear
wheel drive platform.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Thissk is key for handling.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It's fundamental inherently provides better weight balance in handling characteristic
than the front wheel drive EES. The ISS is widely
praise for its sharp handling, really well balanced chassis, and
surprisingly precise steering feedback. He just feels much more connected
to the road.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
And it had decent power training variety. Two across those years,
you had the entry level two point zero leader turbo
four cylinder, I think it was called the IS two hundred,
then later the I three hundred with that engine, that's right, and.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
The workhorse three point five liter V six and the
IS three fifty.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
What's the real world difference between those two? If you're
buying used the two.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Point zero turbo offers okay, low end torque and slightly
better fuel economy on paper, But honestly, the V six,
the three point five liter, is the more refined, smoother,
and probably the more reliable long term choice here. Its
power delivery is just lovely smooth, linear, classic Lexus V
six feel. If you actually want spirited driving, the IS
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three to fifty V six is definitely the one to.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Look for, and we should probably mention the old ISF
the V eight one though that's a different beast entirely right,
older generation.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, the first gen if with the five point zero
year V eight that ended before this third generation started,
those are becoming collector's items now, really cool cars, but
a different discussion got it.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So for the third and I our recommended sweet spot
is twenty seventeen through twenty twenty. That lines up with
a mid cycle refresh. What did that refresh bring that
makes those later years more desirable?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Well, visually it got cleaner lines, a more modern front
and rear end looked sharper inside. The improved some materials
tweak the layout a bit, but crucially, just like with
the ES, starting in twenty seventeen, Lexus made the LSS
plus Safety Suite standard on the I two.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Okay, so again, Adaptive Cruise Link Keeping Assistant.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Exactly became standard from seventeen onwards, making those later models
safer and much nicer for highway cruising.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Now, if you're specifically choosing the IS. Because you want
that sporty feel, you absolutely have to look for the
f sport models. Right, What do those packages actually add
beyond just looking cooler? Right?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
The sport trim isn't just cosmetics all theough, so it
does look significantly more aggressive. Different bumpers, mesh grill, often
unique wheels.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Mechanically you usually get a sport tuned suspension, sometimes even
adaptive dampers which lets you adjust the ride firmness. You
get larger wheels, usually stickier tires, and inside you get
these fantastic, heavily bolstered sports seats that really hold you
in place when you're cornering.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So it actually changes the driving dynamics quite a bit. Oh.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Absolutely, It takes the standard IS as good handling and
sharpens it up significantly, makes it genuinely engaging to drive.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Okay, but here's the critical warning. Because these are performance
oriented variants, you must be extra careful about checking the
maintenance history.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Absolutely crucial.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yes, if someone owned an IS three to fifty f
sport and drove it hard like it invites you to do,
but they skipped oil changes or ignored brakewear, you could
be inheriting some expensive problem.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
That's spot on. You need to look for evidence of
regular timely service, especially check records for break replacements, tire condition,
maybe suspension work. If it's higher mileage, assume it's been
driven harder than a standard IS and you have.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
To factor in running costs too. Right parts for the
F sport suspension or bigger breaks are going to be
more expensive than the standard.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Stuff They will be. Yes, However, here's the sort of
hidden bonus for the used buyer. Insurance costs for a
Lexus IS even an IS three point fifty F Sport
are often significantly lower than for a comparable German rival
like a BMW three series with similar power and rear
real drive. That can save you quite a bit each year.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Interesting. Okay, what are the main downsides or trade offs?
If you choose the IS space?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Definitely space. It's a compact sedan. Rear seat leg room
and headroom are noticeably tight, especially compared to how roomy
the ES feels.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
So not great for hauling adults in the back regularly non.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Ideal, No, they'll likely complain on longer trips. The trunk
is also on the small side for the class, and
while the handling is sharp, the fuel economy is just average,
especially that V six engine specs stellar MPG.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
But still, if driving engagement is your priority, and you
can find a well maintained V six F sport in
that what eighteen thousand to thirty thousand dollars range for
twenty twenty five, yeah, around there, it represents pretty strong
performance value considering the reliability.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It really does. It's a compelling package if the space
limitations work for you.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
All right, let's shift gears to SUVs. For many buyers,
this is the default practical choice. Now we're going to
focus on two key players, the brand's absolute bestseller, the RX,
and the newer, more compact option, the NX.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Right, the RX is the icon. Really it practically invented
the luxury crossover segment, or at least to find it
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So it's like the comfort focused classic versus the NX,
which is more the style focus newcomer.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
That's a good way to put it. Let's start with
the RX, specifically the third generation, which ran from the
twenty ten model year up to twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
The third gen RX absolute favorite for families. It seems
its core identity is just that perfect mid side luxury
suv formula blend of comfort, rock solid reliability and really
strong resale value. It just ticks all the boxes for practical,
hassle free family transport, and the.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Driving experience mirrors the ES sedan. Really, it's all about serenity,
exceptionally quiet cabin, very smooth compliance, suspension that just soaks
up bumps. It is absolutely not designed for aggressive cornering.
It's designed to isolate you and your family from road
noise and imperfections on a long journey.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Powertrain wise, the standard here is again that three point
five liter V six, the RX three fifty using that
same legendary two gr engine platform. We keep mentioning m
HM reliable as ever, but the real star, especially for
efficiency in a vehicle this size from that era, has
to be the hybrid. The RX four to fifty.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Oh, the four to fifty R from this generation was
remarkable for its time. It pairs that V six with
Toyota's proven hybrid system and it achieves up to thirty
miles per gallon combined.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Thirty mpg in a mid sized luxury suv from like
twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Exactly was incredibly shoel efficient back then. It gives them
a massive running cost advantage over the standard RX three fifty,
which usually sits in the low twenties for MPG okay.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Our recommended years for this generation are twenty thirteen through
twenty fifteen. This period marks a pretty significant design change, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
It It does. This is when the RX got a
major facelift, and specifically Lexis introduced its now iconic spindle
grill design to the RX.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Ugh the spindle grill, love it or hate it?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Polarizing, yes, especially at first, but that change really modernized
the look significantly compared to the twenty ten twenty twelve models.
These years also benefited from some tech updates and minor
tweaks for fuel efficiency, and you can get an optional
F sport trim during these years too, which mostly added
the sportier look but kept the comfortable ride.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
You know, I remember when that spindle grill first appeared
on the RX. It felt like a huge gamble for Lexus,
such a departure. Has time been kind to that design
on the used market? Does it still look fresh?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I think it has actually. Initially, yeah, it was a
shock to the system for some long time Lexus buyers,
but now it's just recognized as the Lexus family face
on these twenty thirteen twenty fifteen RX models. It provides
a really crucial visual update. It helps a decade old
vehicle look much less dated than many of its competitors
from the same era. That's a big plus for resale
value and just how you feel driving.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
It makes sense. So if you're shopping for one of
these thirteen to fifteen rxs, what kind of options or
packages should you target?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Definitely look for one with a luxury package if you
can find it. That's what adds the really nice creature
comforts you often get. A pandemic sunroof, softer premium leather seats,
memory settings, and the powerlift gate which is super convenient
on an SUV. These features really enhance that daily luxury experience.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
And given its role as a family hauler, maybe CPO
is a good idea here too.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, for the RX, especially in this age range, finding
a certified pre owned model provides really significant peace of
mind about how it's been treated and the health of
its components, probably worth a premium for many buyers in
this segment.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
And the inevitable trade offs.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Still, the handling still comfort overhandling. Absolutely try to push
it hard in corners and it feels floaty, disconnected. That's
not its mission. And the other main issue again is
the tech interface. The older infotament systems, especially before the
twenty fifteen model year updates. They function, but they will
definitely feel dated compared to what you get in a
new car today. No car play, often clinking navigation.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
But the value proposition is strong. Average used prices are
hovering between what fourteen twenty two thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Roughly in that ballpark. Yeah, for that money, you're getting
a huge amount of reliable, quiet, comfortable luxury. It's a
solid buy. Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Next up is the NX. This really represented a shift
for Lexus. Didn't it a serious entry into the booming
compact crossover segment. It seemed aims squarely at younger, more
urban meyers looking for a fuel efficiency, modern tech and
honestly much bolder styling than the traditionally conservative RX.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It definitely makes a visual statement. The first generation NX
running from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty, It has these
sharp increases, aggressive lines, a really striking exterior. The interior
is well crafted to typical Lexus quality, and because it's compact,
it's super easy to maneuver and park in tight city environments.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Powertrain wise, this is where Lexis introduced its mainstream four
cylinder turbo engine.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Right, that's right. The standard engine is the two point
zer leater Torobocharge four, designated NX two hundred initially and
then renamed NX three hundred later in the run, even
though the engine was the same, and alongside that you
have the hybrid option the NX three hundred out that
one manages around thirty three miles per gallon combined, which
is fantastic for city driving and commuting, makes it really
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appealing for urban use.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
For refinement and features, we're recommending focusing on the twenty
eighteen through twenty twenty model years. What improvements came with
those later years.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Similar pattern here, they got some stylistic updates, minor tweaks,
but more importantly, Lexis refined the suspension a bit for
a slightly better ride quality, and they standardize more safety features.
You often get LSS plus two point zero in these
later models, which adds usually enhance the existing systems, maybe
adds low s B follow capability to the adaptive crews,
better pedestrian detection. Sometimes road siin asysts just makes the
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package more comprehensive.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Okay, we need to talk more about that tourbo engine,
the two point zero leter turbo. It's inherently more complex
than the naturally aspirated V sixes we've mostly discussed. Since
it's a turbo, what kind of specific care does it need?
And are there common issues buyers should be aware of
that aren't typical for say, the RX three fifties V
six good question.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yes, turbocharged engines, especially early direct injection ones like this,
require more diligent care. How so, high quality synthetic oil
changes done frequently and on schedule are absolutely critical, more
so than with the V six. Neglecting oil changes puts
immense stress on the turbocharger bearings and seals.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Also, direct injection engines, which this one is, can be
prone to carbon build up on the intake valves over time,
especially if lower quality fuel is used or oil changes
are stretched. While the Lexis engine is generally robust, a
buyer must look for detailed maintenance records showing consistent quality servicing.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
To avoid potential issues like what happens if carbon builds up.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
It can lead to rough idling, loss of power misfires.
Eventually it might require an expensive intake valve cleaning service
sometimes called walnut blasting or decoching. So check those records
carefully for any NX turbo.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Got it maintenance history is extra crucial. There now drawbacks.
I know, being compact means less space, But the biggest
complaint I always hear about this first gen n X
seems to be the user interface.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You absolutely nailed it. Yes, rear seat space and cargo
area are smaller than some non luxury rivals, like say
a Honda CRV or a mas CX five. That's expected.
But the technology interface that's the real sticking point for
many people.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
The touchpad thing exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
This generation relies heavily on Lexus's remote touch interface, that
touchpad controller on the center console. Many many drivers find
it really distracting and difficult to use accurately.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, trying to hit the right icon while bouncing down
the road.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
It requires way too much visual attention away from the road,
especially for tasks like entering a navigation destination or even
just changing radio stations. Sometimes that single feature is often
the reason people decide against buying an NX from this era.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Wow, despite that pretty major usability flaw, it's still popular.
Average use prices are around twenty thousand to thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, in that range. It reflects its modern features, the
stylish looks, and especially the fantastic fuel economy of the
n X three hundred hybrid model. If you can live
with the touchpad, or maybe if you primarily use voice commands,
it's still a compelling option. Okay, Now let's move to
the more focused choices. These are the models that really
excel in one specific area, either maximum fuel economy or
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genuinely engaging performance. These are for the buyer who knows
exactly what their top priority is.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Laser focus priorities, got it. So we mentioned the EES
three hundred earlier, but it really deserves its own spotlight
here because its unique selling point is just phenomenal, especially
for its time. It stands out as one of the
most fuel efficient luxury sedans you could buy. Back then.
We're talking up to forty miles per gallon combined forty
mpg in a comfortable, quiet, mid size luxury sedan from
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that era that fundamentally changes the operating cost compared to
its V six sibling, the ES three point fifty.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
It absolutely does. The math on fuel savings alone is compelling.
The mechanical setup is straightforward. Lexus Toyota hybrid tech highly proven.
You get a two point five liters four cylinder engine
work seamlessly with an electric motor through a continuously variable
transmission a CDT, and that setup.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Not only gives great mileage, but it also makes for
a really smooth and exceptionally quiet ride right exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It enhances the luxury feel because the transitions between gas
and electric power are almost imperceptible. It's incredibly smooth.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Okay, But here's the persistent and valid question about buying
older hybrids, the battery. Should buyers looking at a twenty
thirteen to twenty eighteen ES three hundred ers today be
concerned about the hybrid batteries lifespan or potential replacement cost.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
It's a natural concern, absolutely, But the reality is Lexus
hybrid systems based on Toyota's pioneering work are known for
exceptional durability. This isn't first generation tech.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
It was already mature by this point, so battery failures
aren't common.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Statistically, very few owners of this generation E S three
hundred I have actually needed a full battery replacement within say,
the first ten twelve years. Most of these batteries originally
came with an eight year, one hundred thousand mile warranty,
sometimes even longer in certain states like California.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Okay, but what if you're buying one outside that warranty
and the worst happens. What's the replacement costs look like now?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well, even if you did need a replacement down the line,
the cost has come down significantly from the early days.
Going to the dealer might still be pricing maybe five
thousand dollars or more, but there's a thriving market now
for third party hybrid battery refurbishment and replacement services.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Ah So alternatives exist, yes, and.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Often those services can replace or refurbish the battery for
much less, sometimes closer to the two thousand to thirty
five hundred dollars range. So, considering the massive fuel savings
over the V six model, it's generally considered a pretty
low risk proposition financially.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Good to know, and just like the standard es, the
twenty sixteen through twenty eighteen model years are the prime
target here.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Absolutely same reasons. Updated styling better tech interface options and
crucially that standard LS plus safety suite with automatic emergency braking.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So if your absolute top priorities are supreme quietness, maximum
comfort and the best possible fuel economy in a luxury package, the.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
ES three hundred is the undisputed winner. Look for one
with a navigation package or the upgraded Mark Levinson Audio
to really max out the luxury feel. Used prices are
maybe slightly higher than the equivalent V six S, averaging
around sixteen thousand to twenty six thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
But the fuel savings could easily make up that difference
pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Very quickly. Yeah, just remember the main drawback. You are
trading away any semblance of driving engagement. This is arguably
the least forty least engaging car on our entire list today.
It's purely about smooth, effiicient comfort. All right, Finally we
arrive at the GS. Now, this is the true executive
sports Sadaan and a Lexis lineup from this era. YEA
often overshadowed by the high volume ES, but for the
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driving enthusiast, it's arguably the mechanically superior choice. The fourth
generation running twenty thirteen through twenty twenty really tried to
strike that perfect balance performance, comfort and of course that
signature lexis reliability.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
This was the car Lexus explicitly built to challenge the Germans,
wasn't it. It was positioned directly against the BMW five series,
the Mercedes Benz E class.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
When you look at something like the GS three to
fifty f sport from this generation, you're talking sharp handling,
a refined but dynamic ride quality. It could genuinely go
toe to toe with its German rivals, largely because it
used a dedicated, more performance oriented.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Platform, right. That is the absolute key difference. The ES,
remember is based on a front wheel drive architecture optimized
for space and above all else. The GS is built
on a dedicated, more rigid rear wheel.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Drive platform like the ISS, but bigger.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Precisely, and that architecture is vital for achieving better weight distribution,
high speed stability, and providing more feedback to the driver
through the steering and chassis. The GS just offers superior
balance and feels much more confidence inspiring when you start
to push it.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
The powertrain variety here is pretty good too. You had
the standard ubiquitous three point five liter V six In
the GS three fifty there was a hybrid version, the GS.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Four to fifty s, which was surprisingly quick, actually that hybrid.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And then you had the rare beast, the high performance
GSF with that glorious five point zero leader naturally aspirated.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
V eight serious range.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
What should a used buyer know about that GSF specifically?
Is it attainable or more of a collector's item?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Now, the GSF is absolutely exhilarating, a big naturally as
graded V eight in a reliable lexisedan. It's fantastic, but
it is expensive. How expensive? Expect significantly higher insurance costs
compared to the GS three fifty. Maintenance will be steeper two,
especially for things like performance breaks and tires. And the
purchase price, even used is likely to be well above
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that thirty five thousand dollars top end we quoted for
the regular GS probably more like forty five thousand dollars
in up, depending on condition in milage.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So realistically, for most fires.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
For ninety percent, maybe ninety five percent of buyers, the
GS three to fifty, particularly an F sport trim, provides
probably eighty percent of the thrill in driving enjoyment. But
with maybe half the running cost, headaches, and a much
lower entry price. It's the smarter buy for most enthusiasts.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Okay, focusing on the GS three fifty, then the recommended
years are twenty sixteen through twenty twenty. Same logic applies,
refresh and standard safety tech exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Twenty sixteen brought updated styling, particularly the front end, making
it look more modern. It got improved tech options inside,
and crucially, the LSS plus safety Suite with adaptive cruise
control and other assists became standard equipment.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
And if your enthusiasts drawn to the GS for its
performance potential, you're definitely looking for the f Sport models.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Absolutely. They offer the adaptive sport tune suspension, the more
aggressive styling cues, and those excellent bolstered sports seats really
enhances the car's character.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
But that same caution about maintenance history applies here, maybe
even more intensely than the ISF Sport given the higher
performance potential.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Definitely, the GS, especially the three fifty f Sport, is
a car that can be driven quite hard. You absolutely
must scrutinize those service records. Look for evidence of timely
fluid changes, oil transmission, fluid differential fluid check, break and
tire condition very carefully. Any sign of neglect on a
performance car like this is a major red flag.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
What are the main trade offs or downsides if you
choose the GS over say, an ES or even its
German rivals.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Well, paradoxically, one issue was its market position. Because the
ES sold in such huge volumes. Due to its comfort
and slightly lower price point, the GS was often overlooked
by mainstream luxury buyers. That means lower sales volumes originally,
which translates to them being slightly harder to find on
the used market compared to an RX or an ES.
I have to search a bit more. Also, while the
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cabin is spacious and luxurious, the trunk is actually a
bit smaller than some key rivals in the mid sized
executive class, and that impertainment system like the NX and
others from this era, often relies on that sometimes cumbersome
remote touch interface.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Still, the value seems strong. Average used price for a
good GS three P fifty maybe an F sport is
around twenty thousand to thirty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, somewhere in that range, which when you consider the
level of performance, refinement and reliability you're getting compared to
its German competitors at that price point, it's a huge
bargain for an executive sports citan experience.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Okay, we've covered a lot of ground game, the models,
the best years, the engine details, the pros and cons.
Now let's get really practical. Let's talk about the actual
steps you need to take when you find a used
Lexus you like and you're ready to potentially buy. Because
even with the most reliable brand, due diligence is key.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Absolutely, this section is paramount. These cars are built to last.
But our first and arguably most important tip is simple maintenance.
History is everything.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Let's really emphasize that. Why is verifying service records so
critical for a used Lexus, maybe even more so than
for some other used luxury cars because.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
The entire value proposition, the whole reason you're probably considered
it used Lexus, rests on that foundation of legendary durability,
right the longevity and that durability isn't guaranteed if the
car hasn't received the regular proper care. It needs a
high mileage Lexus, say one hundred and fifty thousand miles,
but with a thick stack of detailed maintenance records showing
oil changes every five thousand miles, transmission fluid flushed on schedule,
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coolant changed. That car is almost always a safer better
bet than a lower mileage example, say eighty thousand miles
with zero service.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
History, because you just don't know how it was treated exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You need those records to confirm that the potential for
longevity is still there, that it hasn't been neglected. Don't
just take the seller's word for it, ask for the paperwork.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Okay, two circles back to that safety net. We discussed
the CPO advantage.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Right, We just want to reiterate the benefits here. That
comprehensive one hundred and sixty one point inspection performed by
Alexis technician, plus the extended manufacturer backed warranty, it provides
an invaluable layer.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Of security, especially for certain models.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Especially if you're looking at the more complex models like
the NX with the turbo engine or any of the
hybrids where potential component replacement costs are higher. Also, if
you just lack mechanical knowledge or confidence yourself, paying the
CPO premium is probably your best defense against unforeseen risks
and expensive repairs makes sense.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Tip number three involves getting hands on physically inspecting the car,
particularly important on higher mileage examples or the performance models
like the iss or GS. What specific mechanical thing should
a buyer really focus on? Beyond just looking for dents
and scratches, you want.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
To look closely at the components that naturally wear out
over time or wear faster with aggressive driving. Get down
and look at this suspension components. Check the shock absorbers
or struts or any signs of leaping fluid bounce each
corner of the car. Does it keep bouncing excessively? That
could mean worn shocks. Look closely at all the rubber
bushings in the suspension arms. Are they cracked or deteriorating?
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Check the CV joint boots on the drive axles, especially
on front wheel drive or all wheel drive models, are
they torn or leaking grease? These can signal upcoming expensive repairs.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
What about brakes and tires?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Absolutely critical? Look at the brake rodors through the wheels.
Do they look heavily scored or have a big lip
on the edge. Check the brake pad thickness if you
can see it. Ask when they were last replaced and
examine the tires very carefully. Is the tread depth even
across the entire width of each tire? Uneven wear patterns
can indicate alignment problems or worn suspension parts. Make sure
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all four tires match and are a reputable brand.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Okay, good checklist. And our fourth tip is the test drive.
And you're saying this needs to be thorough, not just
a quick spin around the block.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Absolutely insist on a proper test drive, long enough to
experience the car in different conditions city streets, maybe some bumps,
and definitely get it up to highway speeds if possible.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
And while you're driving, pay.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Attention to everything. Does the engine start easily and idle smoothly?
Does the transmission shift smoothly and predictably both up and down?
Any hesitation or clunking? Listen carefully for any unusual noises, clicks, wines, rattles,
grinding sounds from the engine, transmission, suspension, or breaks.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
And test the features too, every single one.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Play with the infotainment system if it has that remote
touch pad. Spend a solid five minutes trying to input
a navigation destination or change settings. See if you can
actually live with it day to day. Good point. Test
the air conditioning, the heater, the wipers, the lights, the windows,
the locks. If it has advanced safety systems like adaptive
cruise control or lane keeping assist, try to engage them
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on the highway to confirm their working correctly. Check the
backup camera. Feel the brake pedal. Does it feel firm
and responsive or spongy? Make sure the guard tracks straight
down the road without pulling to one side.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Be thorough, be picky exactly.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
This is your chance to catch potential issues before you
own the car.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Okay. Finally, tip number five, ensuring you don't overpay for
all this used luxury. The average price ranges we mentioned
are just general guides.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Right, You always need to research current market prices diligently
before you make an offer. Use online tools like Kelly Bluebook,
KBB or Edmunds and put this specific year, model, trim, mileage, options,
and condition of the car you're.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Considering and compare it to similar cars locally.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yes, compare the asking price to the estimated market value
in your specific local area. Remember that prices can vary
significantly based on geographic location. A RUSS Free RX from
Arizona might command a premium compared to the same car
that's lived through ten salty winters in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Condition matters hugely too.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Absolutely use those online value guides, check local listings for
comparable vehicles on sites like auto Trader or Craigslist, and
be prepared to go bociate based on your research and
the car's actual condition. Doing your homework here ensure as
you're not just getting a reliable car, but getting it
at a fair price. Hashtag tag tag tag out.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Okay, so let's try to synthesize all of this fantastic information.
We've covered a lot of models, years and details. It
seems like you have some pretty clear choices depending on
your priorities and your budget.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
That's right. If your absolute top priority is that legendary
blend of rock solid reliability, maximum passenger comfort and affordability
on the used market, you should really target the six
generation e S Sedan specifically twenty thirteen twenty eighteen, with
sixteen eighteen being ideal for safety tech and for SUVs,
and the third generation Arexsuv focusing on twenty ten twenty fifteen,
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with thirteen to fifteen offering the modern grill. Those two
models offer that proven long term durability and are generally
at their most successible price points right now, so the
value and comfort champions.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Okay, but what if your priority is different? What if
you want an engaging, sporty drive better hand middling dynamics,
then you need.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
To look exclusively at the rear reel drive based platforms.
That means the IS Compact Siedan, especially the twenty seventeen
twenty twenty models, ideally an.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
F sport trap and the GS and the.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
GS mid size Siedan again focusing on the twenty sixteen
twenty twenty model years and definitely seeking out an F
sport if driving dynamics matter most to you, these offer
a much more connected fuel.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
And finally, if maximum fuel efficiency is your number one goal,
but you still want that Lexus Luxury wrapper, then.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
The hybrid specialists are your champions. The ES three hundred
Seddan particularly twenty sixteen twenty eighteen offering up to forty mpg,
and the Compact NX three hundred Hybrid Suv again best
in the twenty eighteen twenty twenty range, delivering efficiency around
thirty three mpg, both dramatically lower year running costs compared
to their gasoline counterparks.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
So the final takeaway for you, the listener the learner
diving into this market seems to be this, If you
focus on the specific recommended model years we've outlined today,
and you perform that crucial due diligence, especially verifying maintenance history,
getting an inspection, and maybe considering CPO for the more
complex or higher risk models, you can absolutely find a
used Lexus that delivers on that promise of legendary durability
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and a genuinely premium ownership experience, all at a fraction
of what it would cost new. The value is definitely
there to be found, it really is.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
And maybe a final provocative thought for you to mull
over is this, These specific generations of Lexus models, particularly
staples like the ES and RX, have achieved a kind
of timeless functionality. Their core blend of quiet, luxury and
bulletproof re liability means they're going to continue delivering excellent value, comfort,
and dependable service long long after their original production runs ended.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
So the choice isn't just about picking which car model exactly.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
It's almost more about choosing which lifestyle you want that
car to support. Do you prioritize serene comfort for commuting
or road trips ESRX. Do you need versatile family hauling
RX or do you crave that thrill of a connected
high performance drives and the beauty is Whichever path you choose,
you know the underlying reliability and relatively low cost of
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ownership remain remarkably consistent across the board.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Go forth informed and find your perfect used Lexus
Welcome to the deep dive. Today, we are strapping ourselves
into the driver's seat. We're tackling the used luxury car market,
but we're focus really focusing on that sweet spot where reliability, refinement,
and genuine value seem to meet almost perfectly. We're talking
about used Lexus model.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
That's right. Look, if you're looking for the ultimate shortcut
to being well informed, the used Lexus market is well,
it's basically a gold mine, right, But you have to
know where to dig. You need to know which models,
which years, which specific platforms to target.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So that's our mission today exactly, We're going.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
To distill those choices. The goal is to give you
that premium luxury experience without you having to shell out
the premium price tag of a brand new car.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
And Lexus can even be in this conversation because of
its DNA. Fundamentally, it isn't just another luxury brand tossed
into the mix. It's the high end, sophisticated arm of
Toyota and.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
That connection, that lineage, it translates directly into what buyers want.
Ticulous engineering, really refined design, and this is the key
for used buyers. Exceptional reliability and durability, it just leaves
most competitors frankly in the dust.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It's like that Toyota engineering philosophy, you know, overbuilt, designed
for the long all but wearing a much nicer suit.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
A very nice suit. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And the data, the objective data, backs this up time
and time again. You look at JD Power, you look
at consumer reports year after year, Lexus is right there
at the top or very near it for long term reliability.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah. That's the bedrock insight here, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It really is, because it means a used Lexus, even
one with say higher mileage, isn't the gamble it might
be with other luxury brands. It's actually a genuinely safe
bet for quality.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Okay, so let's dive in. We're going to break down
the top choices sedans, SUVs, hybrids, even some performance options.
We'll focus not just on which models are good, but
crucially on their proven longevity, how they hold their value
and pinpointing those ideal model years. Looking at it from
today twenty twenty five, they give you the best mix
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of modern features and well affordable prices.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
So when we talk about the core appeal, the real
draw of a used Lexus, it's almost a unique thing
in the market. You've got cost conscious buyers, people looking
for value, getting a truly premium experience without compromising on
the fundamental quality the bones of the vehicle. You're essentially
buying the engineering, the refinement that went into a car
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that originally cost what fifty sixty maybe seventy thousand dollars
more or more. Yeah, but you're getting it for half,
sometimes even a third of that original price.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And that ties straight into the longevity aspect, the durability.
It's almost legendary at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
It is.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
This isn't a car you typically buy thinking, oh, I'll
just lease it for three years and then dump it.
The sources we looked at really emphasize that with proper care,
and that's the key caveat right. Maintenance matters hugely. These
vehicles are just fundamentally built to last. Surpassing two hundred
thousand miles isn't unusual, It's almost expected.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
If they're looked after, and that is the defining difference,
especially when you compare it to some of the European
luxury competitors. They might offer, you know, maybe a slightly
more thrilling drive on their brand new but often between
one one hundred and fifty thousand miles, they're nearing the
end of their cost effective lifespan.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Because repairs get complicated and expensive.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Exactly complex systems, expensive parts. Alexis at that mileage, it's
often just hitting its stride. Yeah, that reliability fundamentally changes
the whole equation for cost of ownership over the long term.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
And because they last, they hold their value better too.
That depreciation curve isn't nearly as steep as many rivals.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Which means two things for you the buyer. First, today,
you get that fraction of the original price experience. Second,
down the road when you decide to sell or trade
it in, that strong resale value means you lose less money.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So it holds its value better. It's almost like a
better investment in that sense.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
It really is compared to most cars, absolutely and critically,
you're not not sacrificing modernity, not really. Even the older
models we're discussing, say, from the early twenty tens, they
offer a pretty good blend of safety features, genuinely luxurious
interiors with materials that hold up well.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, they don't tend to fall apart inside not.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Usually no and efficient power trains too. You're not driving
something that feels ancient in terms of basic safety, your capability.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Okay, this brings us to peace of mind options, specifically
certified pre owned CPO Lexus vehicles. Now for the learner,
someone may be new to used cars, CPO sounds great.
It seems like the safest path.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It definitely offers risk mitigation.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, but let me push back ap bit here. Given
how reliable Lexus is baseline, is that CPO price premium
always the smartest financial move or is it really just
for the extremely risk averse buyer.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's a really good question. It's necessary to ask. Look
for the truly budget focused buyer, someone who's comfortable digging
into maintenance records, maybe getting a good independent prepurchase inspection
a PPI. You might skip CPO and save that money upfront. Yeah,
definitely possible. Okay, However, the CPO label isn't just marketing fluff.
It offers something tangible, quantifiable. There's a rigorous, documented inspection
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process mandated by Lexus itself. We're talking one hundred and
sixty one points.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
They one hundred and sixty one.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That's thorough it is. Yeah, and beyond just the inspection
the CPO vehicles come with an extended warranty. It's backed
by Lexus, not some third party company.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And how long does that warranty typically last.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It often extends the original coverage out to six years
from the initial sale date, and crucially with unlimited miles
during that period.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Unlimited miles.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Okay, So that really mitigates the risk of buying used
especially those big ticket item failing transmission, complex electronics, hybrid components.
So yeah, it costs more upfront, but you're essentially buying
insurance against potentially huge repair bills down the line.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
So it's the safest path, especially maybe for the more complex,
tech heavy models we'll get into.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Exactly, it provides that extra layer of confidence.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, let's unpack the Sedans, because Lexis really perfected two
quite different Sadan personalities, and your choice here fundamentally shapes
your whole driving experience.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You've got the ES, the big, super comfortable cruiser, and
then you have the IS, the compact, much sportier handler.
It's really a choice between like quiet isolation and actual
driving engagement.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Exactly. So let's start with the comfort king the ES.
We're mainly focusing on the sixth generation here, which ran
from the twenty thirteen model year through twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah. Yes, its core identity is just that mid size
luxury sedan. Balance is amazing comfort, that bulletproofer liability we
talked about, and it's surprisingly affordable on the used market. Now,
if your daily drive involves a lot of traffic, or
maybe you do regular long highway trips, this car is
basically designed for you.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
The defining characteristic is isolation. That's what the engineer's focused on.
You get this really plush interior, high quality material sure,
but more importantly, incredible sound deadening. It's quiet, extremely quiet,
excellent noise insulation, and the ride quality is just smooth,
almost feels like it's gliding. It honestly rivals the comfort
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you'd find in executive cars that cost twice as much
when they.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Were new and under the hood. The powertrain is really
the star when it comes to longevity. The standard is
the e S three point fifty with that incredibly reliable
three point five liter V six. I think it's the
two grf E engine just the one. What makes that
specific engine so trustworthy, especially when you start talking about
high mileage.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Well, that two gr FEV six. It's just legendary within
Toyota and Lexis. It's naturally aspirated, so no turbos to
stress things out much simpler. Yeah, and it's known for
rarely suffering major issues like say, head gasket failures that
can plague other engines. It's just robust, simple design, conservative tuning,
strong internal parts. That's why you see these hitting two
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hundred thousand, even three hundred thousand miles pretty routinely.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
As long as you do the basics.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
As long as you do the basics, regular oil changes,
basic servicing often, that's all it needs. And we can't
forget the hybrid option. The EES three hundred outs super
fuel efficient. We'll circle back to that one in more
detail later.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Okay, So for someone shopping used right now, twenty twenty five,
what's the sweet spot we're recommending focusing on the twenty
sixteen through twenty eighteen model years. Why those specific years.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
This is really key. Those years got to refresh. Yeah,
so updated styling, revised headlights, tweaked grill, looks a bit
more modernate Okay, but the real game changer was Lexus
making their Safety System plus LSS plus standard equipment on
all e s models from twenty sixteen onwards.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Ah, the standard safety features. Okay, let's expand on that. Yeah,
what exactly does that LSS plus include in those years
and why is that important for someone buying today?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Right, So, in those later six gen models, you're typically
getting what they called LSS plus one point zero. That
package bundles together really crucial modern driver aids, things like
adaptive cruise.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Control which is great in traffic.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Oh, fantastic lane departure warning, usually with some steering assistant
nudge you back, and importantly, automatic emergency braking. They call
it the pre collision system, often with pedestrian detection.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
So having that standard from twenty sixteen makes those years
significantly more modern, feeling and safer compared to the say,
twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen models.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Absolutely, it brings the car much closer to current standards
and frankly might help keep your insurance rates a bit
lower in the future as these systems become more expected.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
When you're looking at listings for these sixteen to eighteen models,
what specific luxury features should buyers really hunt for to
get that full experience?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
You definitely want to look for cars equipped with the
premium or even better, the luxury package. That's where you
get the real tactile upgrades like genuine leather upholstery, not
the synthetic stuff. Heated and ventilated seats honestly almost a
must have once you've tried them totally, and if you
can find it the premium Mark Levenson audio system, it
sounds fantastic. These are features that really enhance the day
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to day luxury feel and they tend to age well.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
But every car has trade offs. You mentioned its focus
is purely comfort.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
What's the downside, Well, the ES prioritizes comfort so much
that it really lacks any kind of sporty handling. If
you try to hustle it through corners, you're going to
feel a lot of body roll. It's soft, intentionally soft.
Not a driver's car, definitely not. Also, the infotainment system,
especially in the earlier years of this generation, maybe pre
twenty seventeen, you can feel pretty dated. Often lacks native
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Apple Car Play or Android Auto integration.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Now you called that a minor tech annoyance, but hold on.
For a lot of buyers in twenty twenty five, having
good smartphone integration is almost non negotiable. Is that a
deal breaker or is there a common fix for that generation.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That's a very fair point. It is a big deal
for many people now. Fortunately because this generation ES is
so popular and well built, otherwise, the aftermarket is stepped up.
There are quite a few good quality aftermarket solutions available.
You can get replacement head units or interface boxes that
add CarPlay and Android Auto right on to the factory
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screen using the factory controls.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And is that expensive?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Usually just a few hundred dollars plus maybe installation if
you don't do it yourself. So it easily fixes the
single biggest tech drawback. And when you consider the average
used price for these what fifteen thousand to twenty five thousand.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Dollars roughly, Yeah, in that range.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Spending a bit extra for modern phone integration is totally
worth it for the overall value you're getting.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Okay, now we flip the script completely. If the ES
is like driving a quiet, comfy library on wheels, ah, yeah,
the IAS is more like a performance track day car.
Relatively speaking, for Lexis, this is the compact luxury sedan
for the buyer who actually wants an engaging sport yer
drive definitely appeals to a different crowd often younger.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Absolutely, this is where Lexis really proved they could build
a proper driver's car. The ISS this third generation running
twenty fourteen to twenty twenty. It's built on a rear
wheel drive platform.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Thissk is key for handling.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It's fundamental inherently provides better weight balance in handling characteristic
than the front wheel drive EES. The ISS is widely
praise for its sharp handling, really well balanced chassis, and
surprisingly precise steering feedback. He just feels much more connected
to the road.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
And it had decent power training variety. Two across those years,
you had the entry level two point zero leader turbo
four cylinder, I think it was called the IS two hundred,
then later the I three hundred with that engine, that's right, and.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
The workhorse three point five liter V six and the
IS three fifty.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
What's the real world difference between those two? If you're
buying used the two.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Point zero turbo offers okay, low end torque and slightly
better fuel economy on paper, But honestly, the V six,
the three point five liter, is the more refined, smoother,
and probably the more reliable long term choice here. Its
power delivery is just lovely smooth, linear, classic Lexus V
six feel. If you actually want spirited driving, the IS
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three to fifty V six is definitely the one to.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Look for, and we should probably mention the old ISF
the V eight one though that's a different beast entirely right,
older generation.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, the first gen if with the five point zero
year V eight that ended before this third generation started,
those are becoming collector's items now, really cool cars, but
a different discussion got it.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So for the third and I our recommended sweet spot
is twenty seventeen through twenty twenty. That lines up with
a mid cycle refresh. What did that refresh bring that
makes those later years more desirable?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Well, visually it got cleaner lines, a more modern front
and rear end looked sharper inside. The improved some materials
tweak the layout a bit, but crucially, just like with
the ES, starting in twenty seventeen, Lexus made the LSS
plus Safety Suite standard on the I two.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Okay, so again, Adaptive Cruise Link Keeping Assistant.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Exactly became standard from seventeen onwards, making those later models
safer and much nicer for highway cruising.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Now, if you're specifically choosing the IS. Because you want
that sporty feel, you absolutely have to look for the
f sport models. Right, What do those packages actually add
beyond just looking cooler? Right?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
The sport trim isn't just cosmetics all theough, so it
does look significantly more aggressive. Different bumpers, mesh grill, often
unique wheels.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Mechanically you usually get a sport tuned suspension, sometimes even
adaptive dampers which lets you adjust the ride firmness. You
get larger wheels, usually stickier tires, and inside you get
these fantastic, heavily bolstered sports seats that really hold you
in place when you're cornering.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So it actually changes the driving dynamics quite a bit. Oh.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Absolutely, It takes the standard IS as good handling and
sharpens it up significantly, makes it genuinely engaging to drive.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Okay, but here's the critical warning. Because these are performance
oriented variants, you must be extra careful about checking the
maintenance history.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Absolutely crucial.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yes, if someone owned an IS three to fifty f
sport and drove it hard like it invites you to do,
but they skipped oil changes or ignored brakewear, you could
be inheriting some expensive problem.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
That's spot on. You need to look for evidence of
regular timely service, especially check records for break replacements, tire condition,
maybe suspension work. If it's higher mileage, assume it's been
driven harder than a standard IS and you have.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
To factor in running costs too. Right parts for the
F sport suspension or bigger breaks are going to be
more expensive than the standard.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Stuff They will be. Yes, However, here's the sort of
hidden bonus for the used buyer. Insurance costs for a
Lexus IS even an IS three point fifty F Sport
are often significantly lower than for a comparable German rival
like a BMW three series with similar power and rear
real drive. That can save you quite a bit each year.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Interesting. Okay, what are the main downsides or trade offs?
If you choose the IS space?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Definitely space. It's a compact sedan. Rear seat leg room
and headroom are noticeably tight, especially compared to how roomy
the ES feels.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
So not great for hauling adults in the back regularly non.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Ideal, No, they'll likely complain on longer trips. The trunk
is also on the small side for the class, and
while the handling is sharp, the fuel economy is just average,
especially that V six engine specs stellar MPG.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
But still, if driving engagement is your priority, and you
can find a well maintained V six F sport in
that what eighteen thousand to thirty thousand dollars range for
twenty twenty five, yeah, around there, it represents pretty strong
performance value considering the reliability.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It really does. It's a compelling package if the space
limitations work for you.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
All right, let's shift gears to SUVs. For many buyers,
this is the default practical choice. Now we're going to
focus on two key players, the brand's absolute bestseller, the RX,
and the newer, more compact option, the NX.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Right, the RX is the icon. Really it practically invented
the luxury crossover segment, or at least to find it
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So it's like the comfort focused classic versus the NX,
which is more the style focus newcomer.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
That's a good way to put it. Let's start with
the RX, specifically the third generation, which ran from the
twenty ten model year up to twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
The third gen RX absolute favorite for families. It seems
its core identity is just that perfect mid side luxury
suv formula blend of comfort, rock solid reliability and really
strong resale value. It just ticks all the boxes for practical,
hassle free family transport, and the.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Driving experience mirrors the ES sedan. Really, it's all about serenity,
exceptionally quiet cabin, very smooth compliance, suspension that just soaks
up bumps. It is absolutely not designed for aggressive cornering.
It's designed to isolate you and your family from road
noise and imperfections on a long journey.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Powertrain wise, the standard here is again that three point
five liter V six, the RX three fifty using that
same legendary two gr engine platform. We keep mentioning m
HM reliable as ever, but the real star, especially for
efficiency in a vehicle this size from that era, has
to be the hybrid. The RX four to fifty.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Oh, the four to fifty R from this generation was
remarkable for its time. It pairs that V six with
Toyota's proven hybrid system and it achieves up to thirty
miles per gallon combined.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Thirty mpg in a mid sized luxury suv from like
twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Exactly was incredibly shoel efficient back then. It gives them
a massive running cost advantage over the standard RX three fifty,
which usually sits in the low twenties for MPG okay.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Our recommended years for this generation are twenty thirteen through
twenty fifteen. This period marks a pretty significant design change, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
It It does. This is when the RX got a
major facelift, and specifically Lexis introduced its now iconic spindle
grill design to the RX.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Ugh the spindle grill, love it or hate it?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Polarizing, yes, especially at first, but that change really modernized
the look significantly compared to the twenty ten twenty twelve models.
These years also benefited from some tech updates and minor
tweaks for fuel efficiency, and you can get an optional
F sport trim during these years too, which mostly added
the sportier look but kept the comfortable ride.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
You know, I remember when that spindle grill first appeared
on the RX. It felt like a huge gamble for Lexus,
such a departure. Has time been kind to that design
on the used market? Does it still look fresh?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I think it has actually. Initially, yeah, it was a
shock to the system for some long time Lexus buyers,
but now it's just recognized as the Lexus family face
on these twenty thirteen twenty fifteen RX models. It provides
a really crucial visual update. It helps a decade old
vehicle look much less dated than many of its competitors
from the same era. That's a big plus for resale
value and just how you feel driving.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
It makes sense. So if you're shopping for one of
these thirteen to fifteen rxs, what kind of options or
packages should you target?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Definitely look for one with a luxury package if you
can find it. That's what adds the really nice creature
comforts you often get. A pandemic sunroof, softer premium leather seats,
memory settings, and the powerlift gate which is super convenient
on an SUV. These features really enhance that daily luxury experience.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
And given its role as a family hauler, maybe CPO
is a good idea here too.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, for the RX, especially in this age range, finding
a certified pre owned model provides really significant peace of
mind about how it's been treated and the health of
its components, probably worth a premium for many buyers in
this segment.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
And the inevitable trade offs.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Still, the handling still comfort overhandling. Absolutely try to push
it hard in corners and it feels floaty, disconnected. That's
not its mission. And the other main issue again is
the tech interface. The older infotament systems, especially before the
twenty fifteen model year updates. They function, but they will
definitely feel dated compared to what you get in a
new car today. No car play, often clinking navigation.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
But the value proposition is strong. Average used prices are
hovering between what fourteen twenty two thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Roughly in that ballpark. Yeah, for that money, you're getting
a huge amount of reliable, quiet, comfortable luxury. It's a
solid buy. Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Next up is the NX. This really represented a shift
for Lexus. Didn't it a serious entry into the booming
compact crossover segment. It seemed aims squarely at younger, more
urban meyers looking for a fuel efficiency, modern tech and
honestly much bolder styling than the traditionally conservative RX.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It definitely makes a visual statement. The first generation NX
running from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty, It has these
sharp increases, aggressive lines, a really striking exterior. The interior
is well crafted to typical Lexus quality, and because it's compact,
it's super easy to maneuver and park in tight city environments.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Powertrain wise, this is where Lexis introduced its mainstream four
cylinder turbo engine.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Right, that's right. The standard engine is the two point
zer leater Torobocharge four, designated NX two hundred initially and
then renamed NX three hundred later in the run, even
though the engine was the same, and alongside that you
have the hybrid option the NX three hundred out that
one manages around thirty three miles per gallon combined, which
is fantastic for city driving and commuting, makes it really
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appealing for urban use.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
For refinement and features, we're recommending focusing on the twenty
eighteen through twenty twenty model years. What improvements came with
those later years.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Similar pattern here, they got some stylistic updates, minor tweaks,
but more importantly, Lexis refined the suspension a bit for
a slightly better ride quality, and they standardize more safety features.
You often get LSS plus two point zero in these
later models, which adds usually enhance the existing systems, maybe
adds low s B follow capability to the adaptive crews,
better pedestrian detection. Sometimes road siin asysts just makes the
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package more comprehensive.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Okay, we need to talk more about that tourbo engine,
the two point zero leter turbo. It's inherently more complex
than the naturally aspirated V sixes we've mostly discussed. Since
it's a turbo, what kind of specific care does it need?
And are there common issues buyers should be aware of
that aren't typical for say, the RX three fifties V
six good question.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yes, turbocharged engines, especially early direct injection ones like this,
require more diligent care. How so, high quality synthetic oil
changes done frequently and on schedule are absolutely critical, more
so than with the V six. Neglecting oil changes puts
immense stress on the turbocharger bearings and seals.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Also, direct injection engines, which this one is, can be
prone to carbon build up on the intake valves over time,
especially if lower quality fuel is used or oil changes
are stretched. While the Lexis engine is generally robust, a
buyer must look for detailed maintenance records showing consistent quality servicing.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
To avoid potential issues like what happens if carbon builds up.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
It can lead to rough idling, loss of power misfires.
Eventually it might require an expensive intake valve cleaning service
sometimes called walnut blasting or decoching. So check those records
carefully for any NX turbo.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Got it maintenance history is extra crucial. There now drawbacks.
I know, being compact means less space, But the biggest
complaint I always hear about this first gen n X
seems to be the user interface.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You absolutely nailed it. Yes, rear seat space and cargo
area are smaller than some non luxury rivals, like say
a Honda CRV or a mas CX five. That's expected.
But the technology interface that's the real sticking point for
many people.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
The touchpad thing exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
This generation relies heavily on Lexus's remote touch interface, that
touchpad controller on the center console. Many many drivers find
it really distracting and difficult to use accurately.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, trying to hit the right icon while bouncing down
the road.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
It requires way too much visual attention away from the road,
especially for tasks like entering a navigation destination or even
just changing radio stations. Sometimes that single feature is often
the reason people decide against buying an NX from this era.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Wow, despite that pretty major usability flaw, it's still popular.
Average use prices are around twenty thousand to thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, in that range. It reflects its modern features, the
stylish looks, and especially the fantastic fuel economy of the
n X three hundred hybrid model. If you can live
with the touchpad, or maybe if you primarily use voice commands,
it's still a compelling option. Okay, Now let's move to
the more focused choices. These are the models that really
excel in one specific area, either maximum fuel economy or
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genuinely engaging performance. These are for the buyer who knows
exactly what their top priority is.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Laser focus priorities, got it. So we mentioned the EES
three hundred earlier, but it really deserves its own spotlight
here because its unique selling point is just phenomenal, especially
for its time. It stands out as one of the
most fuel efficient luxury sedans you could buy. Back then.
We're talking up to forty miles per gallon combined forty
mpg in a comfortable, quiet, mid size luxury sedan from
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that era that fundamentally changes the operating cost compared to
its V six sibling, the ES three point fifty.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
It absolutely does. The math on fuel savings alone is compelling.
The mechanical setup is straightforward. Lexus Toyota hybrid tech highly proven.
You get a two point five liters four cylinder engine
work seamlessly with an electric motor through a continuously variable
transmission a CDT, and that setup.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Not only gives great mileage, but it also makes for
a really smooth and exceptionally quiet ride right exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It enhances the luxury feel because the transitions between gas
and electric power are almost imperceptible. It's incredibly smooth.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Okay, But here's the persistent and valid question about buying
older hybrids, the battery. Should buyers looking at a twenty
thirteen to twenty eighteen ES three hundred ers today be
concerned about the hybrid batteries lifespan or potential replacement cost.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
It's a natural concern, absolutely, But the reality is Lexus
hybrid systems based on Toyota's pioneering work are known for
exceptional durability. This isn't first generation tech.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
It was already mature by this point, so battery failures
aren't common.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Statistically, very few owners of this generation E S three
hundred I have actually needed a full battery replacement within say,
the first ten twelve years. Most of these batteries originally
came with an eight year, one hundred thousand mile warranty,
sometimes even longer in certain states like California.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Okay, but what if you're buying one outside that warranty
and the worst happens. What's the replacement costs look like now?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well, even if you did need a replacement down the line,
the cost has come down significantly from the early days.
Going to the dealer might still be pricing maybe five
thousand dollars or more, but there's a thriving market now
for third party hybrid battery refurbishment and replacement services.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Ah So alternatives exist, yes, and.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Often those services can replace or refurbish the battery for
much less, sometimes closer to the two thousand to thirty
five hundred dollars range. So, considering the massive fuel savings
over the V six model, it's generally considered a pretty
low risk proposition financially.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Good to know, and just like the standard es, the
twenty sixteen through twenty eighteen model years are the prime
target here.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Absolutely same reasons. Updated styling better tech interface options and
crucially that standard LS plus safety suite with automatic emergency braking.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So if your absolute top priorities are supreme quietness, maximum
comfort and the best possible fuel economy in a luxury package, the.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
ES three hundred is the undisputed winner. Look for one
with a navigation package or the upgraded Mark Levinson Audio
to really max out the luxury feel. Used prices are
maybe slightly higher than the equivalent V six S, averaging
around sixteen thousand to twenty six thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
But the fuel savings could easily make up that difference
pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Very quickly. Yeah, just remember the main drawback. You are
trading away any semblance of driving engagement. This is arguably
the least forty least engaging car on our entire list today.
It's purely about smooth, effiicient comfort. All right, Finally we
arrive at the GS. Now, this is the true executive
sports Sadaan and a Lexis lineup from this era. YEA
often overshadowed by the high volume ES, but for the
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driving enthusiast, it's arguably the mechanically superior choice. The fourth
generation running twenty thirteen through twenty twenty really tried to
strike that perfect balance performance, comfort and of course that
signature lexis reliability.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
This was the car Lexus explicitly built to challenge the Germans,
wasn't it. It was positioned directly against the BMW five series,
the Mercedes Benz E class.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
When you look at something like the GS three to
fifty f sport from this generation, you're talking sharp handling,
a refined but dynamic ride quality. It could genuinely go
toe to toe with its German rivals, largely because it
used a dedicated, more performance oriented.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Platform, right. That is the absolute key difference. The ES,
remember is based on a front wheel drive architecture optimized
for space and above all else. The GS is built
on a dedicated, more rigid rear wheel.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Drive platform like the ISS, but bigger.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Precisely, and that architecture is vital for achieving better weight distribution,
high speed stability, and providing more feedback to the driver
through the steering and chassis. The GS just offers superior
balance and feels much more confidence inspiring when you start
to push it.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
The powertrain variety here is pretty good too. You had
the standard ubiquitous three point five liter V six In
the GS three fifty there was a hybrid version, the GS.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Four to fifty s, which was surprisingly quick, actually that hybrid.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And then you had the rare beast, the high performance
GSF with that glorious five point zero leader naturally aspirated.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
V eight serious range.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
What should a used buyer know about that GSF specifically?
Is it attainable or more of a collector's item?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Now, the GSF is absolutely exhilarating, a big naturally as
graded V eight in a reliable lexisedan. It's fantastic, but
it is expensive. How expensive? Expect significantly higher insurance costs
compared to the GS three fifty. Maintenance will be steeper two,
especially for things like performance breaks and tires. And the
purchase price, even used is likely to be well above
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that thirty five thousand dollars top end we quoted for
the regular GS probably more like forty five thousand dollars
in up, depending on condition in milage.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So realistically, for most fires.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
For ninety percent, maybe ninety five percent of buyers, the
GS three to fifty, particularly an F sport trim, provides
probably eighty percent of the thrill in driving enjoyment. But
with maybe half the running cost, headaches, and a much
lower entry price. It's the smarter buy for most enthusiasts.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Okay, focusing on the GS three fifty, then the recommended
years are twenty sixteen through twenty twenty. Same logic applies,
refresh and standard safety tech exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Twenty sixteen brought updated styling, particularly the front end, making
it look more modern. It got improved tech options inside,
and crucially, the LSS plus safety Suite with adaptive cruise
control and other assists became standard equipment.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
And if your enthusiasts drawn to the GS for its
performance potential, you're definitely looking for the f Sport models.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Absolutely. They offer the adaptive sport tune suspension, the more
aggressive styling cues, and those excellent bolstered sports seats really
enhances the car's character.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
But that same caution about maintenance history applies here, maybe
even more intensely than the ISF Sport given the higher
performance potential.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Definitely, the GS, especially the three fifty f Sport, is
a car that can be driven quite hard. You absolutely
must scrutinize those service records. Look for evidence of timely
fluid changes, oil transmission, fluid differential fluid check, break and
tire condition very carefully. Any sign of neglect on a
performance car like this is a major red flag.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
What are the main trade offs or downsides if you
choose the GS over say, an ES or even its
German rivals.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Well, paradoxically, one issue was its market position. Because the
ES sold in such huge volumes. Due to its comfort
and slightly lower price point, the GS was often overlooked
by mainstream luxury buyers. That means lower sales volumes originally,
which translates to them being slightly harder to find on
the used market compared to an RX or an ES.
I have to search a bit more. Also, while the
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cabin is spacious and luxurious, the trunk is actually a
bit smaller than some key rivals in the mid sized
executive class, and that impertainment system like the NX and
others from this era, often relies on that sometimes cumbersome
remote touch interface.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Still, the value seems strong. Average used price for a
good GS three P fifty maybe an F sport is
around twenty thousand to thirty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, somewhere in that range, which when you consider the
level of performance, refinement and reliability you're getting compared to
its German competitors at that price point, it's a huge
bargain for an executive sports citan experience.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Okay, we've covered a lot of ground game, the models,
the best years, the engine details, the pros and cons.
Now let's get really practical. Let's talk about the actual
steps you need to take when you find a used
Lexus you like and you're ready to potentially buy. Because
even with the most reliable brand, due diligence is key.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Absolutely, this section is paramount. These cars are built to last.
But our first and arguably most important tip is simple maintenance.
History is everything.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Let's really emphasize that. Why is verifying service records so
critical for a used Lexus, maybe even more so than
for some other used luxury cars because.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
The entire value proposition, the whole reason you're probably considered
it used Lexus, rests on that foundation of legendary durability,
right the longevity and that durability isn't guaranteed if the
car hasn't received the regular proper care. It needs a
high mileage Lexus, say one hundred and fifty thousand miles,
but with a thick stack of detailed maintenance records showing
oil changes every five thousand miles, transmission fluid flushed on schedule,
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coolant changed. That car is almost always a safer better
bet than a lower mileage example, say eighty thousand miles
with zero service.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
History, because you just don't know how it was treated exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You need those records to confirm that the potential for
longevity is still there, that it hasn't been neglected. Don't
just take the seller's word for it, ask for the paperwork.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Okay, two circles back to that safety net. We discussed
the CPO advantage.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Right, We just want to reiterate the benefits here. That
comprehensive one hundred and sixty one point inspection performed by
Alexis technician, plus the extended manufacturer backed warranty, it provides
an invaluable layer.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Of security, especially for certain models.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Especially if you're looking at the more complex models like
the NX with the turbo engine or any of the
hybrids where potential component replacement costs are higher. Also, if
you just lack mechanical knowledge or confidence yourself, paying the
CPO premium is probably your best defense against unforeseen risks
and expensive repairs makes sense.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Tip number three involves getting hands on physically inspecting the car,
particularly important on higher mileage examples or the performance models
like the iss or GS. What specific mechanical thing should
a buyer really focus on? Beyond just looking for dents
and scratches, you want.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
To look closely at the components that naturally wear out
over time or wear faster with aggressive driving. Get down
and look at this suspension components. Check the shock absorbers
or struts or any signs of leaping fluid bounce each
corner of the car. Does it keep bouncing excessively? That
could mean worn shocks. Look closely at all the rubber
bushings in the suspension arms. Are they cracked or deteriorating?
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Check the CV joint boots on the drive axles, especially
on front wheel drive or all wheel drive models, are
they torn or leaking grease? These can signal upcoming expensive repairs.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
What about brakes and tires?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Absolutely critical? Look at the brake rodors through the wheels.
Do they look heavily scored or have a big lip
on the edge. Check the brake pad thickness if you
can see it. Ask when they were last replaced and
examine the tires very carefully. Is the tread depth even
across the entire width of each tire? Uneven wear patterns
can indicate alignment problems or worn suspension parts. Make sure
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all four tires match and are a reputable brand.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Okay, good checklist. And our fourth tip is the test drive.
And you're saying this needs to be thorough, not just
a quick spin around the block.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Absolutely insist on a proper test drive, long enough to
experience the car in different conditions city streets, maybe some bumps,
and definitely get it up to highway speeds if possible.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
And while you're driving, pay.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Attention to everything. Does the engine start easily and idle smoothly?
Does the transmission shift smoothly and predictably both up and down?
Any hesitation or clunking? Listen carefully for any unusual noises, clicks, wines, rattles,
grinding sounds from the engine, transmission, suspension, or breaks.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
And test the features too, every single one.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Play with the infotainment system if it has that remote
touch pad. Spend a solid five minutes trying to input
a navigation destination or change settings. See if you can
actually live with it day to day. Good point. Test
the air conditioning, the heater, the wipers, the lights, the windows,
the locks. If it has advanced safety systems like adaptive
cruise control or lane keeping assist, try to engage them
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on the highway to confirm their working correctly. Check the
backup camera. Feel the brake pedal. Does it feel firm
and responsive or spongy? Make sure the guard tracks straight
down the road without pulling to one side.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Be thorough, be picky exactly.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
This is your chance to catch potential issues before you
own the car.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Okay. Finally, tip number five, ensuring you don't overpay for
all this used luxury. The average price ranges we mentioned
are just general guides.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Right, You always need to research current market prices diligently
before you make an offer. Use online tools like Kelly Bluebook,
KBB or Edmunds and put this specific year, model, trim, mileage, options,
and condition of the car you're.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Considering and compare it to similar cars locally.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yes, compare the asking price to the estimated market value
in your specific local area. Remember that prices can vary
significantly based on geographic location. A RUSS Free RX from
Arizona might command a premium compared to the same car
that's lived through ten salty winters in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Condition matters hugely too.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Absolutely use those online value guides, check local listings for
comparable vehicles on sites like auto Trader or Craigslist, and
be prepared to go bociate based on your research and
the car's actual condition. Doing your homework here ensure as
you're not just getting a reliable car, but getting it
at a fair price. Hashtag tag tag tag out.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Okay, so let's try to synthesize all of this fantastic information.
We've covered a lot of models, years and details. It
seems like you have some pretty clear choices depending on
your priorities and your budget.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
That's right. If your absolute top priority is that legendary
blend of rock solid reliability, maximum passenger comfort and affordability
on the used market, you should really target the six
generation e S Sedan specifically twenty thirteen twenty eighteen, with
sixteen eighteen being ideal for safety tech and for SUVs,
and the third generation Arexsuv focusing on twenty ten twenty fifteen,
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with thirteen to fifteen offering the modern grill. Those two
models offer that proven long term durability and are generally
at their most successible price points right now, so the
value and comfort champions.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Okay, but what if your priority is different? What if
you want an engaging, sporty drive better hand middling dynamics,
then you need.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
To look exclusively at the rear reel drive based platforms.
That means the IS Compact Siedan, especially the twenty seventeen
twenty twenty models, ideally an.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
F sport trap and the GS and the.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
GS mid size Siedan again focusing on the twenty sixteen
twenty twenty model years and definitely seeking out an F
sport if driving dynamics matter most to you, these offer
a much more connected fuel.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
And finally, if maximum fuel efficiency is your number one goal,
but you still want that Lexus Luxury wrapper, then.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
The hybrid specialists are your champions. The ES three hundred
Seddan particularly twenty sixteen twenty eighteen offering up to forty mpg,
and the Compact NX three hundred Hybrid Suv again best
in the twenty eighteen twenty twenty range, delivering efficiency around
thirty three mpg, both dramatically lower year running costs compared
to their gasoline counterparks.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
So the final takeaway for you, the listener the learner
diving into this market seems to be this, If you
focus on the specific recommended model years we've outlined today,
and you perform that crucial due diligence, especially verifying maintenance history,
getting an inspection, and maybe considering CPO for the more
complex or higher risk models, you can absolutely find a
used Lexus that delivers on that promise of legendary durability
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and a genuinely premium ownership experience, all at a fraction
of what it would cost new. The value is definitely
there to be found, it really is.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
And maybe a final provocative thought for you to mull
over is this, These specific generations of Lexus models, particularly
staples like the ES and RX, have achieved a kind
of timeless functionality. Their core blend of quiet, luxury and
bulletproof re liability means they're going to continue delivering excellent value, comfort,
and dependable service long long after their original production runs ended.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
So the choice isn't just about picking which car model exactly.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
It's almost more about choosing which lifestyle you want that
car to support. Do you prioritize serene comfort for commuting
or road trips ESRX. Do you need versatile family hauling
RX or do you crave that thrill of a connected
high performance drives and the beauty is Whichever path you choose,
you know the underlying reliability and relatively low cost of
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ownership remain remarkably consistent across the board.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Go forth informed and find your perfect used Lexus
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