2025 NFL Draft Review

In debut episode of Mike and Ant. The fellas review the 2025 NFL draft and the fall of Shedeur Sanders. Plus, they discuss why the NBA playoffs isn't as interesting as it use to be.

Episode Transcript

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very underrated rapper.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
To me, it's like he's my favorite time remember for.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Sure, I believe it or not.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Out here in Massachusetts, he's a lot of people's number
one as well, So he he definitely he definitely got
some fans running around and highly but.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
The man gets most of the shine of the group.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, I'd say probably meth Ghost, Ray Kwan, Yeah, Ray Kwon,
But yeah, I inspected that definitely needs way more love
than what he's getting for sure. Yeah, but let's let's
get into this this shit there watch twenty twenty five.
We know, we know that he went extremely late to

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the to the Cleveland Browns. What did you think about that?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
My brother?

Speaker 3 (02:38):
I was shocked. I wasn't shocked that he didn't go
in the first round because I started. I guess it
depends on who you what you read, what you hear,
but it was kind of like some people said he
was gonna be a top five. Then I heard I
read some that say he'd probably be sickond around. So
because there was so much inconsistencies, I wasn't really surprised

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that he didn't in the first round. And as far
as I know, a lot of people are surprised that
the Giants took Jackson Dark instead of him, But I
wasn't really surprised by that either because I heard because
I know a lot of Giants fans, so I know,
like I heard some stuff that the Giants might have
been interested. Brian day Ball thought that Jackson Dark could

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be his next Josh Allen because for those of you
who don't remember, Baran day Ball was a Buffalo's offensive
coordinator when they drafted Josh Allen. He pretty much helped
develop Josh Allen to what he is today, so he
I guess he saw a lot of similarities in Jackson
Dark's game to Josh Allen. So I wasn't really surprised
that they went that route. I was more surprised that

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the Steelers passed on him because right now it's Mason
Rudolph for bus for them, so I don't know what
they're doing. And then for Cleveland, so yeah, I was
surprised that he dropped all the way down to the
fifth And I'm also surprised that Cleveland took him only
because they took a quarterback last night in the third
around with the Daling things, Dylan Gilbert or Dylan Garrett

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can't remember his name from the quarterback from Oregon. So
it's kind of like, you know, what are they doing
there and they look at their quarterback room, I guess
they I guess they want a quarterback competition because it's
either gonna be Joe Flacco, who's like forty five U
who I mean, he he played good in that one

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game with the Eagles last year when Jalen Hurts was hurt,
but I mean that that team was sloaded, so I
mean he of course is gonna look good. Cleveland had
those type of weapons and then they got uh and
then now they got the two rookies. So I don't
know what they're gonna do at quarterback. And they're saying
that Deshaun Watson is out for the year because somehow
he tours Achilles again and rehab and that's probably the

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one of the worst trades in the NFL histories. I
don't know what they're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
With that bron You know what they do anything, You
know what they say, when you have that many quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
You have none, yeah, oh yeah. But the so yeah,
I don't know what Cleveland's doing that quarterback. Would be
interesting to see what happens during the preseason in trending camp.
But I was really surprised that Pittsburgh passed them because right,
I mean, I know they they're they're hoping to get
Aaron Rodgers. But the Aaron Rodgers that we saw with
the Jets when he looked kind of washed, and now

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he's a year older, so I don't know how much
good he's gonna be. And if you thought Mason Rudolph
was that guy, he would have been the heir apparents
of Ben Roethlisberger when he retired. You would never drop
the Kenny Pickett, So I don't. I really don't know
what the Steelers are thinking of what they're doing, unless
they're trying to, you know, tank for one of the
quarterbacks next year. I know a lot of people are

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thinking that it's gonna be arch Manning, but I have
feeling arch man is that could come out until twenty
twenty seven. I think he's gonna stay all four years
like his uncles did.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, there's no definitely no guarantee that he comes out
for sure. I also think maybe some of these teams
that are loading up on first rounders I also kind
of under that expectation too. If you say the Rams
or I think Cleveland as two first round is Now,
if you're one of these teams and you're trying to

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load up to get him next year, right and he
and he decides he's not coming out next year, I
feel like that gives them a great position to trade
picks for the next year's draft.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
So well, yeah, because that's that's what Chicago did with
the Caler Williams. Know they had the number one pick
in twenty three. They didn't want Bryce Young or CJ. Straw.
They wanted Kayler Williams, so let's trade down and get
another first round for next year. And they just lucked
out that Carolina who they traded with, ended up having

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the worst season than they had the year before, So
they end up get the number one pick again, They're
able to get their guy.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, it's so because the way I look at it,
say Atlanta, just say it's a top fifteen pick, right
if if the Rams really want to go for utch Man,
that fifteenth pick got would definitely be worth the first
round again the year after plus one.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, it's going to be a higher pick.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
So I'm just I'm just not as optimistic as most
Rams fans because, like Atlanta does play in the weakest division,
and we see here in the year out with Tampa,
all you need is nine wins to win that division
for sure. So I mean that it is possible that
Atlanta can get those nine wins and overtake Tampa and
make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Next yearn to Panics, I think it's going to be
real good this year.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
So worse than Kirk Cousins. Yeah, I always whether they
missed thelayoffs last year because they stick with kirk Cousins
too long.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't expect them to
be bad this year. I would just expect that pick
to be higher than I picked.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
That's that's yeah, Oh of course. I mean if they
won eight games last year, so I mean, all they
need to do is win a gamer two more than
they did last year.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Let's just hope the organization fills their play and they
have a terrible Yeah, let's.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Just honestly mean, I don't think that I don't think
that franchisees recovered from a blown that twenty eighth to
three league because I don't think they made the playoffs
since then.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, I'll be honest with you, I don't know if
they ever fully recovered since that. Since the Michael Vick situation,
they've kind of been in the doghouse ever since, I will.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
I mean, I mean, I think they they got Matt
Ryan out of it, and I mean Matt Ryan did
take them to a super Bowl, but I just think
them losing the Super Bowl the way they did, they
just never recover that.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
That ended Matt Ryan's career for sure.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, and that too also was kind of fucked up
because they fired dan Quinn thinking they need a coach
to take him over the Hume and they haven't even
been close since.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Oh yeah, they man, listen, that's bad. Franchise is gonna
bat are gonna do bad things. That's what they do. Yeah,
what what was your what would you say is your
your favorite pick in the draft? Any team Rams or
any other team.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
I will go back to the Johnson think Abduke Carter, Like,
I think that was a great pick for them for
the defense. You pair him up with Brian Burns, keve
On Thibodeau. I mean that that front forward is gonna
be also to Dexter Lawrence, so that front forward is
gonna be a beast. They're gonna get after some people
a quarterback. Also, I also like them taking Jackson dark because

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they don't have to rush it with them now having
Russell Wilson, they can have them sit for like a
year or two and just learn.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, and I think, all right, the draft. The draft
was actually real good this year. I'll give it to.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
It was so, I mean, I don't I don't really
see him competing this year, but I think they've built
the foundation where they can make a run in the
next like four or five years.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
The thing I think I.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Like about well, I like the whole draft, but the
doc picked the reason why. I think there's two reasons
why I'm they went with Die. First of all, I
believe they traded up ahead of the Rams because people
believed he was gonna take him. I don't know how
true it isn't. I don't know how true it is
or not, but they traded one pick in front of us,
which gave me the impression that it looks like the

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Rams might not at least been making them think they
wanted him.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
And to me, that makes sense too, because I think
Dark played in the West Coast offense in college under
Lane Kiffin. Obviously the Rams played the West Coast offense
too under Sean McVay, so it would have been a
perfect fit.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
I think so, And I'm the reason why I think
the Giants or other teams preferred him. It's crazy that
and this isn't Saint Shader is not a good athlete,
but you would think like Dion's son would just be
more of an athlete. I think Dot got that advantage
because he's actually a better athlete than him.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, that was the joke about shador at the combine
that he got his athleticism from his mom.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, not his dad.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, that's I mean Jackson die is Jackson Doc got
legged shad tho he has he has, he doesn't really
have the scramble ability. And he also just stands there
like a statue and takes a lot of sacks like yeah,
I've only seen that work for Ben Roethlisberger. And you
know how his his career ended out. As far as injuries,
he was successful, but I mean at the end of

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his career, the guy looked like he couldn't walk. I mean,
so mm hmm, see how that will go.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
And that's why and that's why it sucks for him
going to Cleveland because it's not like Cleveland's a good
old line. He's gonna be running for his life there
if he's if he's the starter.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, that's why I was hoping that one of these
teams have Like even if we took him like I
was first round, I probably didn't want him second round,
But once it got to like that third fourth round,
I was all in. That's like not saying it's a
throwaway pick, especially I have less drafts, but I mean
to get Shadur in the fourth and and see what

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he could do.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Man, Unless unless they're really high on Spencer b I
don't see why not.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yo, listen Bennett, they need it. I've been saying this
since the minute they drafted him. He don't got it now.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
I was saying that when he was in college, because yeah,
I just felt like that Georgia team was so staggered me.
You could put any quarterback in there. They would have
won the national championship.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
When I look at Stetson Bennett and think about this
what I'm about to say, he reminds me of a
poor man's Rock Party.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
So what is that telling you? He's not FO material?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Because Rock Party was the last pick in the draft, right,
and he's over achieving. And the truth and the putting
is coming out. He's not a top ten quarterback. He's
probably not even top fifteen. But he's one of the
top thirty two guys. So the bottom line is, if
you're a poor man last pick in the draft, I
mean you might want to go to Canadian football arena football.

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This is not for you, bro.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I agree, And we took him in the fourth round.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
And everybody laughed at us when we did, everybody was
like what the hell? Like people had him on the
not getting drafted.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
List, haven't. I haven't paid much attention to the sixth
and seventh round, but it's like Quinn ews. You know,
I don't know if he got drafted or not, but
I saw that, Like, to me, it's the same thing
where no. I mean, I know, college is weird because
you have, like, you know, the picking order, like between
seniors and juniors are gonna get more plain time over

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freshman and sophomore. But like when I watched like the
University of Texas, it was obvious to me that Arch
was the better quarterback than Quinn, but they kept quitting
in there because he was a senior and you gotta,
you gotta, I guess, wait your turn. But that's what
I saw from Spencer Bentho. To me, he's kind of
similar to Quinn RS.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, I think I'm the only reason why they kept
viewers in personally is to give him a chance to
get drafted.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Other than that, it didn't make no sense.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah, but the worst thing that happened to him is
that he got hurt and Arch got to play those
four games. It's like, no, this nigga's bitter. You got
to see it, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
I remember like the first game they put him in
and he went to like a fifty yard run.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
It's like, bro, yeah, I didn't used to watching his uncles.
Who were you talking about being a statue? No, they
had no athletic ability. And they're saying that, like, yeah,
arch plays like his grandfather because they said the Archie
Man used to run around and shipped back in the seventies.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
I think you as did get taken because I don't.
I don't see him in the best available quarterbacks. He
might have went in the seventh or six. But did
you notice the one thing about Archie Man that I noticed?
He's like severely duck footed in his feet like shoot outwards.
It's not even like inwards like most people. Like when
he's running both to his feet like ones running towards

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the left sideline, ones running towards the right.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
It doesn't make sense, It.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Don't make sense, but it works for him.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
I know, I know, like some of there's there's some
people that just have awkward running abilities and it works.
I just when he runs, it's like some people run
with their legs. Some people that's like why is your
whole body running?

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Like I don't know, I just I just know just
by watching them, Like you could tell his dad was
the wide receiver in the family because he has all
the athleticism all the same.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Took it off, he looked at took the hair too.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, Peyton was pay you see Peyton's hairline received way
before he got to Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
He got, he got, he got. He has uncle Eli's hairline.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
It's just funny to see a man in that that
is like how like this that a little bit after
like you know, they got their little podcast a TV show,
Like they're funny now you kind of see it now, right,
But when I'm the managers in the NFL, they had
like no personality whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Like Pyton had a little bit cause I remember, especially
when I was like in high school, he was like
in every commercial.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, well I'll give him a little bit.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
But I mean on the field, oh yeah, Like he
was just like straight, you know, business right.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Like the one that surprised me was Eli, because Eli,
you couldn't tell if they won, if they lost. He
had like the same He was like a like a robot.
He's like cracking jokes to me's funnier than his brother was.
Watching one of the man in Casts where he was
like drinking Hennessy with Marshaun Lynch was like, I never

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would have thought like Eli would do that.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Eli is actually hilarious.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
It's almost like they just knew that had to be
like the perfect business man when they was there. Yeah,
and now they're letting it. But but I just don't care.
He's out there, Walley.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
I could see them like dancing and ship. Yeah you
know what.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Got Yeah, you're gonna see if the NFL is scared,
if they're afraid of that next year, which is you
know why I positive reason why should most likely dropped.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
I would say, no, they love that ship. Yeah, that's
the thing.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Is just it's just bigger. It's it's sad that they
just down.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, to go back to that too. Because Cayler Williams
got drafted number one overall last year and everybody was
knocking him because of college because I live out here
in LA but everybody was getting on him because he
used to paint his fingernails and ship like that. He
stopped it. He didn't do it last year in the pros.
Maybe somebody talked to him about it, but no that

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that was like the knock on him, like music paint
his fingernails. He might have been too flashy, but he
was still with number one. So I mean, if the
talent is there, people are gonna take you. I don't
know what the what the reason it was behind your door.
I know some people want to say it's racism, but
I don't think so. Only because Jail and Mirroe went
ahead of him from Alabama, crime Ward went number one overall, I.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Think it could be a little bit of color because
personality plus color, you know, not tru so that that
could be a little part of it. But I don't,
I honestly don't think that's it. And it's definitely not
the talent.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
But what do you think though, because I know his
and everybody's so focus on Shoudor because of the position
he plays, but nobody's talking about his brother, who plays
corner getting yeah because he he he's been slipping too.
But when I heard a report that a lot of
teams are they're they're kind of skeptical of both of

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them because they played under their dad their whole life.
Like Dione coached him in Pop Warner coached him in
little league, coached him in high school, coached him in college.
So it's like how they gonna take you know, hearing
a different voice trying to coach him up. So what
do you think about that as one of the one
of the reasons why he slipped so far.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I think that is the problem. I think it has
nothing to do with should. I think what it comes
down to is that should there having a problem, who
is he gonna call Daddy? Now, Daddy can cause all
types of problems for these organizations, and he could jump
on these TV shows and say whatever you want about them,
and everybody will open up their microphone or their room

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or their platform for Prime to come tell you something, right.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
See. I think that's why Dallas didn't take him too,
because obviously Prime played most of his career in Dallas.
He has a relationship with Jerry Jones. So I mean,
if you're Shottenheimer, their new coach, I mean, if Shador
says anything about the coach, you know, don't gonna call Jerry.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
And this this is the thing where I'm telling you,
I don't think and I don't think it's I don't
think it's one of those things where it's like they
don't like Dion. I think some of these teams are
genuinely scared of Dion, Like not like he's gonna come
in their guns blazing type type of deal, but meaning
that they they don't know how to deal with that

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type a person, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
So, yeah, I just don't So I.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Don't think it beat should there, but I think it
you that phone call saying who disrespected my son?

Speaker 3 (20:11):
That's well and all like that, But a lot of
these teams who need quarterbacks, with the exception of the
Steelers because they never fight their coach. A lot of
these coaches they're on the hot seat, so they need
a guy now. Like I'm pretty sure I don't even
know his name, but the coach of the Titans, you know,
he's hoping that, you know, Cam Wore could buy him

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some time. But okay, I got my guy because I
didn't draft Will Lives draft of this kid, so hopefully
I could could buy me some time and you know,
we we join at the hip. Same thing with Dave
Ball with the Giants, Like, Okay, I didn't draft Daniel Jones,
but I got my guy. Now, so give me some
time to develop him a little bit.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
So a lot of these coaches are on the hot
seat and the last thing they need is not only
Dion call won these gms or owners, but also a
coach and so you know, he can take my job.
They don't. They don't want to deal with it.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
I think that also factors into them being scared of him,
you know, yeah, like because that phone call might come
with just fire that coach, I take the job.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
So and they're like, you know, Dion, that guy at
least gonna think about it, like you know what.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
And now they're looking like ship, he's gonna run the building.
This is these are the things with us, Like I
feel like it was. I think we was talking off
air when I was telling you the the LeVar Ball thing,
and it's that. I think the difference is that everybody
was laughing at him. No NBA franchise really cared about
what he was doing. They didn't think he was gonna

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come run rough shot. He doesn't have big numbers he's
gonna call or blow up your organization. Yeah, he's more
funny and he was just promoting his sons. They enjoyed it.
I think, Dion, when you say I don't want my
son doing this. They're looking like, yo, is he serious?
Like so it's a it's a different level of respect

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and fear that comes with Dion and I think unfortunately,
and and this ain't a knock on damn.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Remember I love Deon.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I'm sure that he knows this that if he could
go back, he'd played different, because I think a lot
of the stuff he said is why should fell more
than anything.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, ironically, one of the teams he said he didn't
want the door playing for is when the drafted him.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
I mean, so that's that's the thing I'm telling you.
So if you'd be like, say, say, if you're a
respected person, right, I give you an example, not saying
other teams wanted to take him. And I'm not going
to get into his game. And because I think he's
doing all right right now, but when when Lebron's son
dropped to the Lakers, you heard everybody saying that that

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the Lakers was calling people telling him don't draft Lebron's
son because he wants to go play with him.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
And teams wasn't drafted. I'm not saying they was or
they wanted to or not, but.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Those calls was made right, and and that's a respected person.
So they looked at it like, I probably don't want
Ronnie anyways, let him go play with his dad. It's
a good moment for the NBA, you know what I'm saying.
So when it comes to Dion, when when you say
I only wanted to play for five teams, the other
twenty whatever amount of teams probably was like, all right,

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I respect your wishes.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
You don't want me to draft him.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Now you limited yourself to five teams and maybe say
a couple more teams. I was willing to just take
him anyways, right right. You instantly put him into a
small pool. Then once those teams decided they didn't want him,
or they wanted dot or they preferred someone else, now
he's looking like a small, small portion you know.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Well, yeah, I think that's the difference between against him
and Archie Manning is because with the ELI situation, no
Archie just said I don't want my son playing for
San Diego, that still opens the door for you know,
thirty one other teams. Exactly, I just don't want my
son to go to See Diego because I don't trust
that ownership or whatever his reasons was at that time.

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I don't remember. Yeah, that's different than like, okay, I
always want my son to go to these, like you know,
handful of teams.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, I just think he puts shadar And in a
weird place. But I also think his that Shade told
him the teams he preferred, which is probably why Dim
pushed those teams. But I just think they might have
just played it wrong. For you gotta listens to the
NFL draft. He's blessed wherever he goes. Let him get drafted.

(24:32):
I mean, just stay out of that. But that's that's
kind of what I think Schadur is paying for. I
think all his sons are paying for it, but mainly
Schad because he had first round potential easily. What as
as far as other draft picks, what draft picks stood
out for you in the draft?

Speaker 3 (24:53):
I know the one. I know everybody's focus on Shador,
but I wan't focus on his teammate, Travis Hunter. Also
prize that Jacksonville actually moved up to get him. And
now I'm kind of curious of how they're gonna use
them because listening to everybody, whether it's former players, scouts,
everybody on TV, they think he's a better corner than

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he is a wide receiver, even though he wants to
play both. And I know it's gonna be hard for
him to play both because ain't no way he's gonna
play all one hundred snaps a game, but he's gonna
get hurt. Yeah, I'm just curious of how's Jacksonville gonna
use him. But they canna use him mostly as a dB,
but just run like, you know, three or four players
here in their form, or use him as a wide

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receiver and just use them you know, here and there
on defense.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
So he did that. He said that they put him
on the phone with both coordinators offense offensive defense.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
I do agree that you can't play well, there's a
there's a I have a plan how you could probably
play full time.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'll take that in a second.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
But the reason why I don't think you can fit
actually just be full time on both is because there's
meetings and stuff for all these things.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
So yeah, I would just think about injuries. But yeah,
you're right, there's different than college.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, so you got it.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
You have these meetings, you gotta be in that cornerback
room and things you gotta do, and your wide receivers
coach is gonna expect the same, So like that would
be I think a big problem.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
The body.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
The body definitely probably ain't is not gonna like it,
you know. But the thing I would say is what
I think they're gonna do with them. First of all,
I think that they might because you know, this factor
is into them with wrestling too. I think that they're

(26:44):
right now realizing that the NFL is like restling. They
need stars, you know what I'm saying. So they went
for the biggest name on the board that they thought
was the biggest start. Right now, what I think he
will do is be a full time wide receiver. And
I say he can't do both, but I think he'll
be a full time wide receiver and he'll play cornerback,

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but when he takes his breaks, it will be on
the defensive side. So he might skip a couple of
series here and there, and I think that's the only
way to do it. I don't think he can be
out there every series on both sides. But if you're
telling me he's wide receiver all game and he's playing
this whole package, he's out one, he's in the next

(27:29):
whole package. Or if you're getting three and outs, he
might just go right back out there if your offense
isn't moving right, but if you haven't long drives on offense,
he got to sit out the defensive drive after. It's
the only way the body's gonna gonna allow you to
do that, right.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
But see, yeah, because he's he's thinking, he's under depression
that it's gonna be like in college where he played
the whole game, never sat out, But then also too,
like he was like their number one wide receiver and
the number one dB. And that's why I said it's
gonna be hard for him because like, all right, you
can be the number one wide receiver in the NFL,
even though Brian Thomas will probably be the number one,
he'll be number two. But then also too, on defense,

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be the number one corner having to cover the other
team's number one wide receiver, especially in the AFC, you
gotta go against like Jamar Chasing. Then it's gonna be hard.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Once he gets hit a few times, he'll realize he'll
start rethinking this it's that college you know, you get
you get hit a couple of times, saying hold that
I need to catch my breakfast defensive play.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
You know what I'm saying, like, so either.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Get hit or or one of these stud wide receivers Burnham.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, you know, so, I think.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
The thing with him is he's used to being the
best person in the room, the best person on the field.
So he has that that Kobe Michael Jordan mind state,
and I get it. But I think that even Kobe
and Michael realized after a while there's certain things they
gotta tone down on, you know, right, So that's I mean,
he might he might go out there full throttle for

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a year or two. One see, after a couple of years,
you go realize he's gonna start asking for a lot
more plays off You're gonna.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Know for Jacksonville because they're they're thinking this pick, he's
gonna take him over the tome. Do you do you
see him take them? Because I know they're really trying
to make this Trevor lawnch thing work.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I mean, I'll tell you like this, they got it.
They just brought in a good running back right in
the draft.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah. I think they already had one to Travis in
t Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
I think you're funny feeling he might be the odd
man out. I think I think he'd be gone because
they was kind of trying to give his job to
his backup last year with his so I think it'd
probably be Bisbee. And I think it's two in if
I'm pronounce pronounce his name right or two ten it's
t U t e n at however you pronounce it.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
But he runs.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
He's a Blazer for three guy, so them too, I
think make E t n kind of disposable. But I
think that they got a good offense. I think letting
Ingram walk was very silly because if you had Evan
Ingram with those wide receivers, with running backs, with you know,

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Lawrence just playing efficient, I think that they got a
real good offense.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Well I'm not. I'm not surprised though, because like their
new coach used to be the OC in Tampa, and
Tampa rarely ever used their tight end, So I don't
think I think that's I think that's their thought process.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I agree, But I just looked at I look at
Evan Ingram like a slot wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, it's true, like a big, big as slot.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
He's barely a tight end.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
He's just like too big to be a wide receiver,
but kind of too athletic to block or play tight end.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
He just kind of like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
No, I know. Earlier we were talking about like Atlanta and
not being able to recover after like losing the Super Bowl.
Jacksonville hasn't been able to recover because it's hard to
believe that two years ago. I think they started like
ninety two or eight and three or something like that,
and then they lost like their last like four or
five games of the season, missed the playoffs. They've just
been asked ever since.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yo, their franchise look good. In the beginning, they like
they was.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
In the city, like it's like two years I think
Trevor Lawrence was bawling out there. They looked like they
might challenge Kansas City and the AFC for the Super Bowl.
I think they were like eight and two or something
like that, and they just fell apart that year.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I think Lawrence is another one of those guys. He's
got hit too much recently. I think he's a lot
more athletic than people realize, and I think he needs
to just run more than he does instead of taking
some of these hits.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Well. I think for Lawrence, though, like coming out of college,
he was like, you know, a prodigy, Like he's gonna
be the next great quarterback. And he has the potential,
but I think he has to start meeting that potential.
He hasn't met that potential yet.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I think sometimes it's it's the organizations that that don't
even though I see Jacksonville. They they're out there swinging now,
they trying, but and you know, different owners, So I'm
not gonna put past previous Jacksonville owners.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
On the new ones.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
But the thing is, hasn't the car family been owning
it enough for about twenty years? Now? Oh okay, I thought.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
It was they bought it. Probably I'll check. We'll research
that in a second. But now I was literally probably
within the last handful of that maybe even say eight
years maybe maximum, but I don't even know who is
that long, but probably a little bit before a W started.
Maybe a five year grace period, so I'll give it
like at eight to ten, but definitely not twenty. I

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remember when they sell it. I barely remember anything from
twenty years ago, so.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Definitely not.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
But I would just say that I think Lawrence got it,
and I think they could do good things.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
It says, I just looked it up. Sank about the
team in twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, see that.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
That makes Yeah, so that's thirteen years.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, you know, its funny. It's too much for me. Man,
that's way too long.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Because I know, I know they owned it two when
they had that when Blake Bordos had his best year
and they made that magical run to the AFC Championship game. Yep,
I know that's been at least a good like eight
nine years now. Yeah, so yeah, that was listened a
long time ago. Now barely remember that.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
I have to fight. Last thing I remember about Bortles
is playing backup.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
By the Rams. Yeah, that's that's what I said. I remember.
I know he had that one good year Jacksonville made
the playoffs that went to the AFC Championship Game. I'll
remember because of Jayalen Ramsey said they're gonna win the
Super Bowl that year.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, Jalen real.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Matter of fact, Jayleen Ramsey looked like he coming home. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
I heard either dead and I also heard that Detroit
is interesting.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
But listen to this right to I will throw you
my perspective quick. First thing, I think that the biggest
tell was before the draft left, Steed came out and
blatant he said he called about Jayalen Ramsey. He usually
don't put his cards on the table, you know, less work.
So the fact that you threw them on the table,
I was like, all right, that's a little interesting. Didn't

(34:05):
think much of it though, Right, Ramsey still tweets his
Rams stuff. You could see he never his heart never left,
so they're still on good terms.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Right.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
The next tell we drafted no cornerbacks this whole draft,
right now, Right when it hit like the fourth fifth round,
I already started justifying why the Rams weren't taking cornerbacks.
They put it back out there and popped up, Oh yeah,
the Dolphins basically saying they they agreed to trade Ramsey.

(34:36):
It can't happen that after June first. But yeah, the
Rams are interested in the reunion.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, I heard that, and also heard Detroit is interested
in the Troy's also always a sneaky team because they
have a lot of former Rams play executor.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Actually, I thought that's where Cooper Cook was gonna go
because I heard Detroit was interested in Cooper Cup. Obviously,
Cooper Cup is a bit friends with Jared Goff, so
I thought he was gonna go there, but he end
up going to Seattle.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Would rather had him go there. But I knew he
was going to go to Seattle because he's from there.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
You you just want that's his hometown and his chance
to go back home.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, that's that's it. Not everybody gets to do that.
Good Van shut out Cooper Cups. Well the way, why
did I just get detoyed? What would we talk about before?

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Cup? Oh? Jaylen Ramsey, Yeah, so I heard that obviously
he might go back home to l A. But I
heard Detroit is interested, and I just said, Detroit, just
watch out because we have a lot of former RAMS
people in their front office and.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
That GM players all types of stuff. The one thing
I would say is this though there, so they're agreeing
the pot waves, right, This isn't like a disrespectful breakup, right,
So I'd assume and this is just you know, no
factual stuff, just assumptions that they're gonna ask him when

(35:59):
he prefers to go, and when they come to Jaylen like, look,
you want to go to la you want to go
to Detroit.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
I know what he's saying. Oh yeah, yeah, So I
think I think that's what it comes down to. Like
unless it was like Rams are willing to give you
a six. Next year Detroit comes and gives you, I'm
gonna give you a first. Sorry, Ramsey, I feel you.
You gotta do what you gotta do.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
But twenty one.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Million on the table, I don't expect them to get
anything better than a fifth.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Personally, maybe, well, this is like a Deshaun Watson situation
where everybody thought Deshaun Watson is gonna go to Atlanta
and the Cleveland's no, we'll just make you the highest
played player in NFL history.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, that's that's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
So if like someone decides to jump out the window
and offer like something you can't refuse, I don't think
they'll care about Ramsey's wishes. And I don't know if
he has a no trade caluse. That'd be a you know,
the next thing to find out. But I'd say if
it's similar conversation, they're gonna ask him what he wants
to go, and no one wants to go to Kodash, Michigan.

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When you could come home to la you probably still
have a house out there. So I would just say,
most likely Ramsey comes home ninety chance he's back.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
In Horns now that he's been in warm weather cities
his whole career, Jacksonville, La, Miami.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
You don't want to.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
You don't want to as your older retiring cold weather
like the cold weather don't work well on the Body show.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
We are you know we both understand this.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, well I'm speaking of Miami though. I wonder what's
going on with them, because like Tyreek Hill wants out too.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Man, Tye Hill can't get out of trouble. Did you
see the thing recently with him?

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah? I think he got arrested for beating on his
wife or some something like that.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, arguing with his wife. Well, charge of beating him.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
You never really know, because you know somebody's situations, you
find out is actually didn't happen. But he kind of
has a history. And I'm not saying it being true.
I'm just saying, stop getting in trouble, bro.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Like as far as his wife's concern, this is the
second time because remember there was an incident when he
was in Kansas City when there was on tape. I
think she recorded him saying like, you know, he she
should be afraid of him or something like that.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah, yeah, and that and that's what I mean. Like
I've never physically seen him do anything. Yeah, gracious, but
he just at this point, you're kind of just getting
a track record like stay out of trouble, bro and listen,
stay awake, stay away from the balcony with your baby, my.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Dude, Like that's like, like I ain't saying you was.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I ain't one of those people that think you was
trying to do something crazy and you know, because I
don't think you was. But I'm just saying when you're mad,
you know what I'm saying, and you're arguing and you
you know, even if it's just a verbal argument, like, Bro,
don't don't be arguing with the baby on the balcony
because if something goes wrong, you trip or something because

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you're not paying attention. That's like the apps loop, worst
place to be. Like, you gotta just be smarter than that.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yeah, you would think you would think he'll learn from
Michael Jackson.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
What what What do you think a team would give
up to him right now with that contract with his
with his with like the baggage that would come with him.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Right now with this case.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Honestly, I don't know, because not only you're talking about
the contract and the baggage, but you also have to
look at age like he's got to be in his
thirties now, so that that has to play a factor,
because that was one of the factors for Davonte Adams
of why he got the deal that he got, because
you know, the people were even though he still had
even though he's still put up numbers in New York,

(39:43):
he played put up numbers in Vegas. But they're looking
at him like, Okay, he's thirty two now, like how
much longer could he go? So you know, he took
what he can get from the Rams, But I think
that's the same that's gonna be same thing with Tyreto.
They gotta start looking at his age. And because wide
receiver is different than playing bad. Yeah no, so once
you hit your thirties, that's when you wide receiver running

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back to start slowing down a little bit.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, I think one thing I would say about time,
I haven't seen him slow down. But they're gonna use
that against you regardless. Doesn't like you could be forty
and still playing like your twenty. They ain't paying you
like your twenty.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
No, they're gonna forty.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, you ain't even gonna be in the league no more.
You know what I'm saying, right, So that's kind of
just where it goes.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
It's a young man's game.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
I definitely understand that this is like Jerry Rice when
he hit his forties, he was just jumping from team
to team like the Raiders Seahawks. Yeah, it's like, no,
they they would treating him like he was forty even
though he was still putting up numbers.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Wasn't treating him like Jerry Rice.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yay.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
So that's yeah. But as far as.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
We went through a few picks, what did I want
to touch on this because it'd be a shame not
to What do you think of Kim Moore? We got
to bring him up because you know, he's obviously the
number one pick in the draft, so he got to get.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
His little bit.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yeah. This this this draft was interesting since that everybody
said that cam Ward wasn't the best player. They thought
either Travis Hunter or Dude Clark Carter was. But because
he's the quarterback, that's why he went number one, and
he was the best quarterback out of what everybody says,
it's a bad quarterback draft. I mean, I haven't I

(41:28):
don't know too much about him, souse. I didn't watch
him at Washington State or they watched him last year
at Miami, and I think he's pretty good. He's getting
compared to Patrick Mahomes. I really don't see that, but yeah,
I mean it's hard for me to say he's an
upgrade over Will Levis because I thought Will Levis would
have been something coming out of college too.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I think he's just a mental maybe I'll pay But
they changed his coordinator every year, so.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah, coordinator in coach. I think the problem will too.
I think Will has tell because he's only He's only
in his third year, so I'm surprised Tennessee is giving
up on him so early. But his biggest problem he
turns the ball over too much, which I feel like
you could get coached out of that. But yeah, but anyway,
but for camp Ward, I mean, I don't know. I

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really don't know. We'll see. It all depends on what
Tennessee surrounds him with, too, because I don't really know
what they have. I know their big offseason move was
Tyler Lockett's talking about talking about wide receivers in the thirties.
He's way past his prime. Bro.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
They're they're setting him up to fail from right now.
At he's set up to fail.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
And most I don't even know who their running back is, either.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Spez and Pollock. That's what I'm telling you, Like, he
doesn't he has serviceable running backs. He has serviceable wide receivers,
which isn't saying much because what I mean by serviceable
is you made that NFL, so you're not bad. Yeah,
but you're definitely not good in it. NF don't need

(43:01):
what I'm saying, you just serviceable.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
The question is is can he be better than what
Will Livers was last year and with the weapons that
they have. I don't see it because he's basically be
thrown to the same people that Will Livers through to.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Some of these teams. I think, just don't get it. Like,
here's a thing not talk about.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Once you sign up wide receiver over as hell, because
you know the Titans love.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
To do that.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
The hot Julio, you could go down the list. They
love signing old guys, right.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, but for some reason got rid of the young
stud wide receivers they had and aj Brown.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Look look look what I'm trying to tell you, right,
they're allergic to young wide receivers when they get one
in there, they got to get rid of him like
you you pushed A. J. Brown out the door and
knowing he didn't want to leave, and then you bring it.
You had basically you had aj you had one good
wide receiver. You couldn't get him.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
No quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Then you get young quarterbacks, you can't get them wide receivers,
no tight ends. I mean Jigga Con is okay, but
I mean not really much much going on there, nothing
out in the wide receiver room, banged up O line,
no running backs. Bro I mean, I can't. I think

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he's worthy of the number one pick. I just hate
that he had to be the number one pick. Like
you didn't want to go there, I mean like I would.
I would I would have. I mean I would have
did whatever I could to not go to Tennessee if
I was.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Like I'm looking at it is like if I was Tennessee,
I would have either. I think I would have spent
that pick on either Travis Hunter or Blue Carter. Write
it out one more year with will Lewis. I think
kim if that was the case, that I think kim
Ward probably would have went to number two to Cleveland.
Because if I think kim Ward was still they don't
think Cleveland tre Yeah, and I would have trust him

(45:02):
better with Cleveland or because I trust Kevin Stefanski more
than I trust coaches right.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Now, Sure, i'd agree with that, and I think that
the best move that Tennessee should have did. I would
I just say, like this, I do card it was
that should have been the number one pick in the draft,
right unless unless you had like one of those, this
generational this quarterback would be number one the past ten years.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Like that's different.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
They're saying kim Wood last year would have been the
sixth best, sixth best quarterback.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
That that. With that being said, I can't say if.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
That means that means last year, that mean last year's draft,
he would have win the second round.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
So this is why why I'm telling you I can't
take him at number one. Just logistically, it would have
made sense. I would have took the generational talent, which
is Abdul Kada. If he wasn't my Piket gotta be Hunter.
It's one of the two. But I would go Kada.
And if you did the way it would have worked
out for you. You didn't expect Sanders to be there
in the second I'm assuming you didn't know because if

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you did. You could have took Sanders in the second, third, fourth,
fifth and had that. So, I mean, he's gonna be
in a bad situation.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
I don't. I mean, I wish the best for the kid,
but I do not see this situation going well.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Fit.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
It's one of those things where some people could.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Even I know we were talking about Arch Manning earlier. Yeah,
they're saying that next year's draft, even without Arch, it's
still ten times better than this year's quarterback class. So
the quarterbacks come about out next year. So I mean,
that's what I'm saying, like you could have if you
really wanted the franchise quarterback that bad. Maybe that's what
Pittsburgh's thinking is too, and passing all this quarterback Maybe

(46:49):
we'll just wait till next year because next year is
gonna be a better crop.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
I think I think Pittsburgh got before the draft happened,
and Anne Rodgers told him that he's taking the contract,
just give him some time. Other than that, I think
they would have they would have at least attempted something.
I don't believe that they're riding with Mason Rudolph. I
think that Aaron Rodgers told them he's going so well
with old surprises.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Even if Aaron Rodgers comes there, Man, Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Like forty, I'm not saying it works.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
If it works, though, Like I still feel like they
need an air apparent because ever since Been Roethlisberger retired,
it's like they just gone from quarterback after quarterback after quarterback.
They can't find one they had picket and they just
gave up on him after like two years.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yeah, I honestly think they should have kept Kenny Pickt
a little bit longer. I'm not probably as down on
Kenny Pickett as a lot of people are. He might
not be that you know, the next thing is smoking,
but he's been better than what you at.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
So Yeah, and like I said earlier, you know he
I don't know if I said it earlier it was
off air, but he started one game last year for
the Eagles when Jalen Hurts got hurt and he played Will. Granted,
I don't know if it's because of the talent around
him in Philly, Yeah, but I mean he looked like
a legitimate starter in that one in that one game
that he played.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, I think I think I'll be honest with you
when you see them in those games. That tells you
what they could be if you just treat that, if
you put it around them right. Give you an example,
Baker in a couple of games with the Rams. Is
why he got those contracts because people seeing you get
with a good quarterback, have a little bit of protection

(48:33):
and just a little bit of people supporting you, and
you looked all right, you know.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
So now you look far better than you did when
he was in Carolina.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
So now what team takes a chance on you and
they give you a little bit of something right, It's like,
oh shit, he's actually he's all right now he gets
the big long story short, what it comes down to
is some teams leave people hanging and they don't develop
them right. Other teams pamper their quarterbacks and develop give

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give them everything they need to develop.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
And that's that's pretty much the big difference. Tennessee is
one of those teams that's gonna fail this kid. They
just it's the reason why you brought up Will Levis.
They're failing him right now at this very moment, and
instead of fixing it for him, they brought in the
next person to field.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah, and they're gonna keep him on the roster.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're gonna let him sit there and
you know, probably end his career and not saying you
won't go somewhere else, but you're not like right now,
if he was gonna do Will Levis a favor, you
would have been calling people during the draft. They look
at you want him, You might be better than the
quarterbacks on the board.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
And best example of that is Drew Breese. Like and
when he's with the Chargers, he was asked to put
it politely, like he was so bad they got the uh,
the number one pick during the ELI Draft. They ended
up getting Philip Rivers and they ended up getting rid
of Drew Brees. Obviously, he goes to New Orleans and

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you put him in a system with the coach that
believes in him, and now Drew Brees is a future
Hall of Famer. So I mean to your point, you
know that that could happen with Will Levis or some
of these other quarterbacks. Can you Pickett if they just
put him in the right system, they could develop into something.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah, it's that you like, you hit it on the
money with Sam Donald. Think about with the Jets. Jets
they're another team. They'll literally throw you in the in
the wood chopper.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
It's like, you go, the.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Jets are so bad. Like I think the best quarterback
they've had in the last sixty years is probably Mark Sanchez.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Yeah, yeah, I name. It isn't as good as people think.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
He is now. The only the only I agree with you,
the only the only thing I will give name of
the pass on is that he did play the sixties,
so things were different back then. You look at the stats,
it's like, how did this nigga get in the Hall
of Fame?

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yeah, you got. He got the swagger he got in there.
He got it because because he got the swagger, that's it.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
He got.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
He got the Lifetime Swagger Awards we got and I'm.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Still talking about him guaranteeing the winning that super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
That's where the swagger comes in.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
He did it when when people wouldn't do it, because
you know him, he was like, look, we're go go
in there, We're gonna wipe them down.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
That's it. Come of my min too, let's get it going.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
But his actual like you know, like Korea totality, bro,
you're kind of mid like like mid tier mediocre.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
I mean, like Sanchez actually wasn't that well.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
He's had his moments where he's been like the worst
thing in the world, but he's also I mean, I
remember there was like a three maybe three year period
where he brought them to the AFC title game.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
The worst thing that Jets did and Mark Central never
recovered is when they brought in Tim Tebow to compete
with him after they just went to the AFC Championship game,
which didn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Two years, yeah, two years and then the Buck fumble
happened and it was all it's all, it was all there.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
They became a meme after that.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
That's that's actually yo. Mark Schez was Actually I liked
it with college too.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Man.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
I feel badfoot the way his career went. But that's
that's the difference.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Man.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
It's like some some teams would do you good and
some teams though it's not even ay Far. I think
some of these organizations just don't know what they're doing.
And then people don't realize is every owner makes money,
whether they go undefeated or lose every game. It's a
you know, rotating business. They're making money anyways, as the

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shareholders go up. As the TV deals go up, as
all everything goes up, they're guaranteed a certain amount of money.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Like they're making money whether they win or lose.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
So I think some of them, I was gonna say,
like some team they say that, you know, maybe like
ten teams are actually trying to win the Super Bowl
every year. Other teams are just in there to make money.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
It might really be like six. Yeah, like a couple
of those teams might have tapped out. But because I
think Pittsburgh was one of those teams, they look like
they they they're tapping out.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
They don't want it no more.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
But I would say, yeah, there's probably six teams that
every year want to get a Super Bowl, and there's
start with eight, but every year two of those teams
tap out and two new teams coming that year, like
I'm gonna try this ship.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
But there's really just like six consistent teams that.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Want to win. Well yeah, and then once in a
while you get up a team like Washington last year
that kind of looked in and made a run. Yeah,
like with them, like I don't know how much is
it like Okay, this team's on the rise, or how
much of it is just like they got lucky you know,
they say something like they won like seven games last
year in the last second.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Which just never happens. You know what gives me, you
know what gives me hope for them? I think they
got Did they get a new owner?

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Yeah, they got a new owner last year. It's actually weird.
They get a new owner and they make it to
the MC Championship game under the old owner they was back.
I actually, I know it hasn't been confirmed, but I
believe he's the one that leaked those Gruden emails. I
believe investigation wasn't too him and all of a sudden,

(54:39):
as John gruden ship came out, I was like, John
Grewden has nothing to do with.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Nothing to do with what you're doing. But I think
you're onto something there.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I would I would say due to the fact that
new owners and let's let's look at what they did
last year right now, when we talk about helping the people,
they want to help them. Right when they sniffed they
could be good, right, they started, they started making trade,
spending money.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
You know. Yeah, they made their trade in the in
the middle of the season for Marcus Lottimore.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
So that because they knew they need the corner. What
those that's what those are the key signs that tell
your team wants it. You know, It's like ship we got,
we might have a chance, and they start grabbing the
things that could maybe get them over the hump.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Right yeah, yeah, actually had another move to them, made
a day to get Jill and McDaniel's more weapons. They
traded for debo even I don't know if debo is
really gonna help, but I.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Think I think Debo will look good this year.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
I think they're gonna get I think they're gonna get
the deep the debo that was unstopped, closer to the
debo that was unstoppable than the guy we seen last year.
I think the last two years he was done in
San Francisco. He's just been frustrated. You could see it.
So I think they'll be all right.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
I mean, he evensidered himself that they they they had
a hard time to covering from losing the Super Bowl
a couple years ago.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
I think he just he needed a change.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
They felt like they were better than Kansas City and
they just blew this ship.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
I think they were better than Kansas City that year.
But I ain't going to I ain't gonna tell them
that they're lucky.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
They go to see this video.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
At the end of the day though, we'll see how
it goes with that. But yeah, they I think I
think the command is they're they're gonna swing, you know.
I think right now the Jaguars look like they're gonna swing, you.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Know, like well, well, I think I think what helps
the Jaguars too is they're they're another team that plays
in a very bad division.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Yeah, I definitely, definitely, they definitely could. They could just
dis easily be nine and two again if they get
their ship together. But Lawrence hasn't hasn't looked the same.
I don't want to say the past couple of years,
he got to be dealing with even more injuries than

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he's probably telling us because he just hasn't looked good.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Yeah, I mean, he hasn't looked good the last year
and a half. But like I said, they do play
in the week Division. We're just talking about Tennessee. We
don't know what's going on with them. They they're they're
talking about Daniel Jones might be their start over Anthony Richardson.
So they might have given up on Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Another team, another team failing, that boy failing.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
If you're going with Daniel Jones, man, I don't, I
don't know what to tell you. And then CJ. Stro
even though he Houston made the playoffs last year, CJ.
Stroud would definitely his production did last year compared to
his rookie year.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
I would say that second year slump shit happens. His
third year is gonna tell you what he's really about,
because even though he had a slump, he made the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
So he made the playoffs two years in a row.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
And his third year, we'll see if he's closer to
his first year or his second year. And I think
his third year is kind of usually a dictator of
what y'all be going forward.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Well, I mean, yeah, it's easy to make the playoffs,
though when the other teams your division picking in the
top in the draft.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
I agree, I agree.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
But he's still he's still got that notch onder his
belt that he went in the row, so at least
give him that.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
We'll see. I think I think he'll played good this year.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
He also like they couldn't be healthy last year, like
Darew's hurt and then Nico was hurt, and then they
the other I can't even think of his name right now.
They got another good kid over there, Tank de Yeah,
another one can't stay healthy.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Him getting hurt. That that that fucked up my fantasy
team last year.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Yeah, They're like, his career is looking a little shaky
right now.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
I think he tore both his A C L maybe
M C L or.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I mean, I'm not gonna count him out, and I
hope he gets healthy and comes back. But they're saying,
I mean, last thing I've seen about him, career could
be over hopefully now though. But that's that's kind of
what I think the Texas was going through. They just,
I mean, one week, he at this guy, the next week,
he at that guy the next week. Because usually when

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Nico Collins is on the field, Stroud looks pretty good
for the most part, you know, especially when he got
him and down on the field. I don't know if
him and Diggs ever got fully going. They look New England. Yeah,
so that's kind of I'm just dictating the last year.

(59:27):
You know, he needs a he has a little bit
of tunnel vision on Nico Collins, and Nico just kind
of knows how he plays. I feel like their connection
is what makes their offense go. Yeah, the playoffs so far,
I'll be honest with you, lackluster. There's been a few

(59:48):
good games, but I mean, I haven't really been too impressed.
It doesn't like the NBA just doesn't give me that.
I don't know, there's like just science missing with it
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
What do you think that's part of the reason why
the Raiders been down for the last couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I think that they're running fans off with something. I
don't even know exactly what it is. I just thought
that when I watch it, it like reminds me of
watching the baseball game. Now I'm bored out my out
my mind, you know what I'm saying. So as much,
I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Really put my finger on it either. And it's weird
because like I don't want to be like too nostalgic,
but I feel like, you know, what I watched growing
up in the nineties and two thousands was way more
better than what we're getting now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Yeah, I think that this is one type of thing
you can't be nostalgic because I was almost the word
I used. Somehow that NBA lost its aura and lost
this nostalgia. I don't understand this. It's like I don't
can't really like us. I can't blame the players or
point at something specific that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
But then also too like all their I understand, like, Okay,
you don't want to you wanna you know, do something
new and add shit, But the whole like mid season
tournament they got going on now that nobody gives a
fuck about. Now they got the the playing tournament, which
I don't understand because now you have, like you know,

(01:01:15):
you play eighty two games. Whoever the top eight teams
after those eighty two games are that's who makes the playoffs?
And why are you giving the ninth and the ten
seed a chance to make it? If they weren't good enough,
they shouldn't they shouldn't be in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
You've who just said that the other day a basketball
player said that said if you can't make it in
the original they should have been like what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
And then also to like their their divisions, they're also
like because I remember growing up the division winners automatically
got the top three seeds, and they change that to
where like now they just see it by record, so
it makes a division irrelevant, Like nobody even knows who
the division winners are in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
The NBA, like you said, it doesn't matter anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
I mean they've they've made so many changes, but it
hasn't really been for the better. I think it's kind
of made the product worse and the way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
I think another big thing that that the NBA is
losing the NFL to a point too. But because it's physical,
it's still there until maybe before or after the games,
like when the games did, it's like still intense, but
it's not it's too friendly, like you know say, like
I remember, like it's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
I think I think that's more of a this this
gen Z generation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I think, yeah, that's I mean, like you said, it's
the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Too in the NFL and I see in the other sports.
I just think, you know, everybody, this gen Z generations,
they're all buddy buddy, they're all friends. You know, there's
no there's no real rivalries anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Really, you know, and you know what, you know what
the products shown to me. And it's funny that one
this topic. Look right, I know everybody that plays sports
is gonna relate to this. When you get on any
field that he caught anything and you're playing against someone
you're not cool with or you don't like the intensely

(01:03:11):
ain't the same is when you're lined up against your
best friend, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
What I'm saying. So that's the problem all sports now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Yes, So when we're watching it, I see that you're
not intense. I see you're playing against your friend.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
You see what I'm saying. And it's not all of them,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Some of them are going hard and some of them
are feisty and like Pat Beverly, you go hard, right,
So there there's some of them, right, But for the
most part, I see you're playing against your friends. That's
what I see, and it's boring, Like I want to
I want to see y'all try to take each other
by the throat like that's like what I want to see.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
That's the eerror I grew up on.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Yeah. That and also too, like everybody plays the same way. No,
everybody's just shooting up threes now that before. Every team
has their own different style, like you know, the the
Shack and Kobe Lakers played different than like the Spurs.
The Spurs play different than like you Alan Irvison and
the Sixers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yep, three point is has definitely waded down basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
It's a lot of times when when you're watching it
in just like a three point shooting contest.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
And you know, you know another thing that I that
I really hate about the NBA right now, And I'm
not going to point out specific players, but I know
people see this ship right. Look, when you my center,
I expect a few things from me. Right Mainly, I
expect you to rebound it block. That's the main thing
I'm gonna ask you to do. You're my center. Right

(01:04:40):
after that, I expect you to dunk a few times,
get your points. Maybe you go do some hook shots.
Maybe you got a nice perimeter game. It's fine to
take a few shots if you're doing your job. Now,
what I see is these seven footage that are powerfuls
and centers standing at the three point line. Look three

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rebounds at the end of the game, right one, Look
standing at the three point line, not crashing boards, three rebounds,
no blocks, seventeen to three point attempts for may. It's like, bro,
listen right, if I was a coach, I will literally
be firing players during games. I will tell you once, like, look, bro,

(01:05:25):
you seven feet I see you standing at that three
point one more line. I'm gonna send you the locker
room right now, and we ain't gotta worry about the
next game because you will not be it right. And
the coaches don't seem that a lot don't don't have
the nuts to tell these these giants to catch the
ball under the rim, which is what they encouraged.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
They encourage you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Courage you to stand and do nothing no, and then
you got you got, like the point god in the
shooting gud is getting all the rebounds, and the Sun
is standing at the three point line.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
These are the reasons why the NBA is not what
it used to be. Bro like the seventh is supposed
to be under the Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
One of the worst things I hate watching basketball is
when I see like a three on one fast break
and instead of them just taking the easy lay up
or dunk, stop stop and shoot a three and miss it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Yo, Look when you notice you watch the game and
it's just pissing you off.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
I think this is the reason why I don't watch
basketball that much no more, because even with all the
foolishness the referees doing the NFL, at least we get
to see some good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
I'm saying like the NBA is like, outside of a
few dunks and a couple of good crossovers, it's like
you're just getting repetitive. And it's with the competitiveness not there,
like at a like you know, on a high level,
nobody wants to watch pickup games.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Bro, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Yeah, Like even right now in the playoffs, obviously, you
know I watched the Lakers games. That's been a decent
series there's.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Been, and I was one. I didn't see that coming, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
I honestly didn't. I mean, I've seen them maybe losing
one game in this series and I thought maybe it'd
be like game four or five, they need to wake up.
But that that's I mean, that's what made it competitive though,
because I expected the Lakers to be up in this series,
so I'll give them that. There's a few other series
where it's like, Bro, it's the playoffs, Like I feel

(01:07:29):
like I could leave my house right now play harder
than me, Like how is that possible?

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
And I ain't even like the Memphis the other day
losing by fifty Yeah, the playoffs, Yeah, And that's what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
It's like, look at I'm not saying I'm better than
any of these players, because I promise you I'm not right,
but I will give way more efforting now it won't
even be a question, you know so, And that's that's
where they're lacking. Like there's low the competitiveness that the
effort giving out there. Like I remember, like back in

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the days, people are diving all over the place. There's
borderline fights everywhere. And I'm not saying that it was
fights and all this stuff happening, but it was so
competitive that like the tempest was building, like the pressure
was building at all times for these dudes to go
out there and win the game. And without that, the
NBA is just a little lackluster for me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
No, yeah, I agree, I agree, Like I've been watching
the games here and there, but yeah, it's just it's
just not the same as it was. I mean, forget
when I was a kid. I mean just like just
ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Listen, Yeah, it's not it's it's just not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I want to say, starting when the Warriors started dominating,
like probably.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Towards the whole three point shooting things started.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
That's what, because you know they started dominating with it.
So I want to say towards the end of their run.
That run really hurt the NBA. Yeah, get more than
help it because it made everybody think they could be
Steph Curry.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
And you you're not Steph Curry. You don't need to
be shooting threes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Not everybody's gonna win with no senate throwing up threes
all day, like they just had something different going on,
that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
When the Denver won a couple of years ago, Okay,
maybe with them with Jokic, with a true center, maybe
no teams will copy them and try to win that way.
But then Boston last year one shooting threes again, so
now everybody wants to shoot threes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yeah see, and it's with him too. His game is different, Like, look,
he could shoot all the threes he wants.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
He crashes boards and blocks. He does his job. So
if you would handle your job, you can expand you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
But just some of these guys, like the big man
aspect of the NBA is like gone, Brona.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
There's gonna be There's no more shocks, no more Patrick Ewings, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Just Shack will just get a foul called down him
every play right now can be ejected by the end
of the first quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
There's no way you could plain that he was too physical,
way too physical.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
He's gonna first he's gonna get the offensive fole trying
to score on you right and then right when you
get down there, he's gonna follow you. It's probably gonna
take a whole eight up and downs for him to
get five fowers and beyondity. So I mean, that's that's
why the NBA is just what it is now. But bro,

(01:10:29):
you have anything you want to throw them before we
jump off, because I'm getting attacked on.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
My phone right now.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Nah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Man, that's that's that's it. Man. I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
I think we got it. We got a good first
episode to drop right right right right right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Right right right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
By by.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Stapchop by bye and your snap chalk rye by the
stapchop by bye.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Check out Fye fye.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
Tap tip bye bye check on tap tp bye bye
tap tip bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Ride ride.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
You don't have time. Ride bride a place where you
won't have time. Ride rye hight to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
Have time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Ride bye have time