May 17, 2025 • 50 mins
We talk about the Brock Prudy contract situation and if Jerry Jones screwed up the QB market with the Dak Prescott contract. Also, Mike & Ant give you their NFL Rookie of the Year predictions.
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but we will have people to come in and update
you on those things. Off that business a bit more
NFL stuff, I guess we'll go to our rivals. What
are you thinking about the party contract as well as
the Kittle contract that they've already done. The party one
isn't done.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
The Kittle's done.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Uh, I'm not, And I just think it's good for him.
He's doing one of the best tight ends in the
league for many years, and so you know.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
He deserves to get paid.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
So I have nothing against them making him the highest
paid tight end. To me, it's better than Tret McBride,
who was the previoucy highest paid tight end. So they
get another kittle for party. I feel if they're gonna
get a fill done at some point. I think maybe
it was holding it up is maybe he wants Dak
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Prescott money and I don't think the miners feel like
he deserves Dak Prescott money. As a matter of fact,
I don't think Dak Prescott deserves that Prescott money. So
maybe maybe that's the hold up is. But I think
they'll get it done at some point.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, this isn't isn't me speaking on it if
I'm general manager, because I'm obviously not in that position.
But in the in the NFL, like in the day,
it is right now.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
He's going to get fifty fifty eight year minimum.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Well, I think you should because I mean, yeah, that's yeh.
I mean Trevor Lawrence makes that much and he's more
accomplished than Trimpa. Lawrence's true.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
There's there's a few arguments to be made there, but
I would say he's he's earned fifty million a year.
I don't I don't think that's negotiable. And it's not
due to talent, is due to the NFL, due to
I mean, his wins where he's brought them. So I'm
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not against that when it comes to Lawrence and those guys.
I still think if you if you was the cut
the teams and you look at the players, Lawrence is
far superior. If you was to put Lawrence with Shanahan,
you know, I think that's where a few things come
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in where where coaching teams, systems, things like that matter.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Like I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Do you think Perdy would be doing good on the
Jaguars if he got drafted there?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
High?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Oh no, He'll know yeah, get the NFL already. So
that's the thing if a guy like Trevor Lawrence not
saying the Jaguars don't rebound, because I think now they
might be invested in a little bit more. But if
you was to put Trevor Lawrence on the forty nine ers.
He's better than Praid. There's not one thing you can't
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do better than Prady. So I think that's just more
circumstances of where you are and who's coaching you, you know,
because if you flip those players, I think the Jaguars
get worse and then Nineties get better. That would just
be about my personal opinion.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
And now, yes, I agree with you there, but I
think like if I'm Brock Pretty's agent, oh, I'm just like, yeah,
I'm putting the stats in in the accomplishment like you, no.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
One guy you know played in the Super Bowl. Well,
Brock Purty hasn't even made it past I think.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
The second round, Mabe yet Lawrence hasn't even Yeah, he's
died in the first round every time. But I think
I'm where here's the two things. Because you hit it
on the money that agent and probably Pretty, going off
of stats, playoff wins what he's a call Pish. The
forty nine ers are probably looking at the agent like
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he's not better than Trevor Lawrence, Like we know what
we did for him and what's not being done for
Trevor Lawrence And that's kind of where the difference is there.
Had the forty nine ers had Trevor Lawrence, he would
have already got sixty million. That's they know he's a
superior talent. Rock Perdy. I know that he's not saying
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he's not good, but he's more systematically made over there
in San Francisco. Then Trevor Lawrence getting drafted high and
have to take a bad boat and bring it to
an island that they've never seen before, you know what
I'm saying. So that, yeah, some of these quarterbacks get
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they get drafted high to a bad system, and sometimes
it's almost better to be like a Russell Wilson and
all to like the third round and go to Seattle.
That's good and you kind of get a better development
versus going to like, you know, not even now, because
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I don't know what Raid is gonna do now with
Brady and stuff, but going to per Se the Raiders
or one of these Jets or one of these perennial
bad teams very high with a bad coach, no players
around you, I mean, parties in San Francisco. I'd give
him the fifty million because the league says, you know,
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you have to but if his agent is coming to
me comparing him to Trevor Lawrence, I'm laughing.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
That's just me.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Well see, I blame I blame Jared Jones and the
Dallas Cowboys for fucking up the excuse my language, but
messing up the quarterback market. Yep, because Jared Jones made
Dak Prescott the highest paid quarterback in NFL history, was
sixty million a year. So now every other quarterback, like
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for example, if let's say no, Josh Allen's contract is up,
you know he can go to Buffalo. But like, look,
I'm better than Dak Prescott. I've accomplished more than Dad Prescott.
So if he's making sixty million, I deserve at least
sixty five.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I take you, I take your steps, keep going up
and up and up. Take your step further with it
messed up because it's even deeper than Dallas. They're part
of the teams that fall under the foolishness of what
I'm about to tell you, right, don't get me wrong,
Like when you not everything is paid by production, because
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you could have someone where you know they're just about
to explode, you just kind of give them, got to
give them their break. They see it. It might even
been the last year in their rookie dale. But you see,
you got to pay them because they just you know,
they're about to go. But his here's where where the
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problem lies with I think with a lot of the.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
You know, n IF I wouldn't even say NFL contracts.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I think a lot of these NFL teams will own
this or gms get duped by the agents. And this
is where the NFL needs the combat a little bit
because and I don't want to dictate people's money, because
that's crazy. I want all these guys to get their money.
But here's the thing, the thing that straps teams, right,
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I don't know when it started because it's a long
time ago, but I'll give you an example. Patrick Mahone
wins the Super Bowl, just figuratively speaking, right, his contracts.
Do you make him the highest paid in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
It's warranted.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's coming out for Super Bowl win, maybe an MVP,
and I get that unless he says he wants to
take a short, you have no business asking him to
take a short, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I think that's what happened with the Joe Flecco because
he was the last year of his deal. Yeah, and
then yeah, you had to become the highest PAKED player.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
They had a break up the team to make him
the highest PA player.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But yeah, they should have paid him before. But you
know what, he has the best playoff front I think
still to this day is an NFL quarterback. He got
your ring that year, you don't you you played craps
and you lost His agent got your number.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
But that also factors into this as well, what I'm
about to say, because maybe you didn't have to do that.
And I'll tell you why. If factors into the NFL
versus the agents. The players, you know, they kind of
just in the middle. Somewhere along the line, the best
player NFL got paid, whether it was a quarterback, a
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wide receiver, running back, whatever. And I don't know if
it was players. Maybe I don't know if it was
the agents. Most likely I highly doubt it was the
teams because it would make no sense. They decided it's
no longer about being the best player at your position.
It's the next person that gets paid gets the most.
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And it's the most ridiculous thing ever, because here's the thing.
If I'm the best defensive end in football and I
signed a contract today. Who the hell said that agent
could come and tomorrow with the third best defensive end
and say he needs a bigger contract than me because
his contract's up.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
He's not better than me. That's silly.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yeah, but see, I think the players Union set that
up because now now when that best player is up
for another contract, he's gonna get more money. They really
really said the market, don't.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Get me wrong, But it doesn't always happen like that.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Like if the best playing football signs a six year
contract and it's his last contract, ten of the players
after him get bigger contracts. It's like, bro, looking, I've
seen it happen with Aaron Donald, seeing it happen with
JJ Watt when he was the best player. I've seen it,
you know, multiple times. Like look, bro, from the best
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quarterback and I get paid today, in your contract's up tomorrow,
you ain't worth more than Like the agents need to
stop that.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
It's like, look at.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
You, like, there's there's no way Dak Prescott should be
making more money than Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, and that's what it comes down to. It's like
you're the next man up. Cool, but you're not the
best man, so there's no way that your agents should
bring up Mahomes money because you ain't do what Mahomes did,
so what realistically what they should be doing. And this
is why teams getting these arguments and eventually pay the money.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It's say, look, if you are is you.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Need to be paid more than Patrick Mahomes because your
contract was up after and I'm looking at you saying
you never want a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I'm not paying you, Like who decides this stuff? Like
you put it like this.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
That's one of those situations where nobody in the NFL should.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Pay you that.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I don't care how that's but you are because you're
you're messing up the market, that's what you're doing. So
then at the end of the day, you're strapping teams
out where if a teammate's smart enough to play with
their cap space, you're overpaying mediocre quarterbacks and you're destroying
your future.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
It makes no sense. I mean, like the Rams.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Are only were only willing to give Stafford what forty
million dollars, that's Matthew Stafford. Other teams were lining up
to give him sixty seventy million dollars.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Well, STI what the Rams did to Matthew Stafford, which
was kind of fucked up. But luckily, you know, he
wanted to stay here. But they try to use his
age against him, like all, he's thirty seven, and so
they try to use that as excuse.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Him why he shouldn't make as much money as like
a Dak Prescott. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Well, but here's the thing, Like you said, Dak Prescott
don't deserve Dak Prescott money.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So in a situation where you're looking.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Where Matthew Stafford talent says he's worth every penny, right,
but when you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Giving him like.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Patrick Mahomes money, Patrick Mahomes is taking a short right now.
And he got multiple rings, multiple AFC Championships, multiple super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
But Kansas City was smart.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
They gave him his money years ago, and they gave
him a ten year deal. So when I forgot when
I think he's Sundays. So his contract ain't even up
until twenty thirty. Yeah, no, they can't even discuss his
contractor to at least nine.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
They restructure it every year or two, if you notice,
which means you're sta involved with them now at any time,
at any time, Patrick Mahons could be like, you know,
what I want sixty five million dollars a year. I'm
not playing and you know what they would have to
do give them the money. Right when other quarterbacks are
demanding these or even thinking they touching these these levels
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of money, the smarter teams ain't falling for it, and
no disrespect to staff it. The rams ain't falling for it.
They not paying you that money because I guarantee you
they thinking exactly what I'm thinking is they look it.
I don't care that your contract's up next. I'm not
making you high as paid. I'm just not because we're
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looking at a year to year thing because we don't
know when you want to retire. We have your age
to worry about, and we have our future to worry about.
We're not gonna bend over and do something that damages
our future. But unfortunately a lot of teams are willing
to do it, like Browns with Deshaun Watson. Look at
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that now they got five quarterbacks, but like, what are
we doing? What I'm saying, you can't. You can't put
that type of money up if you don't go to
Mahomes and josh Allen Lamar Jackson one of those type
of guys like I wouldn't even give Jalen Hurts that
type of money.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Right now, the Browns are paying Deshaun Watson fifty eight
millions life paid play because he towards Achilles and.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
We have so he's out for this other twenty five
seasons they're paying.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Someone will offer them a twenty thirty three seventh round pick,
they'll take it right now. Yeah, for the year twenty
thirty three, just to eat a little bit of that money.
That's that's how bad they are right now, and that
that situation.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
If Cleveland ever wants to get rid of Deshaun Watson,
they're gonna have to do what Denver did with Russell
Wilson last year, which is, we'll trade you to Pittsburgh.
But Pittsburgh is okay, we'll take Russell Wilson off your hands,
but you got to.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You gotta pay his contract. We ain't paying him.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, no, forty something millions. Nobody, nobody wanted to touch him.
I don't think when that trade happened besides the Browns.
Somehow the Browns kind of got duped into that and
thought there was like four teams involved.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I don't I think they might.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Have been one for whatever.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
For what I remember, I think it was he wanted
to go to Atlanta. I think Atlanta was the team,
and then Cleveland last minute offered him more money than Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, was the other team because that's where he's from,
and then they wanted it was willing to do the homecoming.
I think he reminded them a little bit of Michael
Vick four Man's version honestly, but bet I would that
just was one of the that might be the overall
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worst trade and sign I've seen in the last twenty years,
to tell you the truth, I don't know if it
gets much worse than.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, they Deshaun Watson from Houston, though all them Rake
allegations and sexual assault cases, he had it missed with
his head because he hasn't been the same since.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah. He also don't have DeAndre Hopkins, which if you
notice a lot of I mean he throws a lot
of jump balls. Yeah yeah, I mean, like I don't
know if his accuracy was ever ever that too impressive honestly,
just my personal opinion. He's more of a gifted athlete
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and he makes a lot of plays outside of the pocket,
and he's played with some players that.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
That benefits him.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Unfortunately, the Browns and have those type of players.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So he's in the pocket throwing garbage. Like you.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
They want you to play precision passing, and I ain't
see much precision.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
That's yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
The only thing that like I will push back on
you though, is that when Joe Flecker was the quarterback
when he was hurt, he was throwing to the same guys,
but the office looked way better.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Yeah, James Woodston the same thing, like when James Wintster
was playing, He's the office look way bitter good.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I think it's I'm gonna tell you why they're more
accurate than it, so that I don't think that Deshaun
Watson has no accuracy.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So Flacco and.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Jameis Winston, you put in the pocket, they're gonna get
out some accurate passes, which is why the office looks
better Deshaun Watson. The first thing that I used to
tell my cousin all the time when it comes to
Deshaun Watson, I used to tell him, like, yo, I
don't see it with him for two big reasons. Right,
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his accuracy has always been questionable to me.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Right. The second thing is he holds the.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Ball too long.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I mean, if people think that that was like a
huge knock on Shador Sanders this year, well where was
they the past eight nine years when Deshaun Watson was
doing It's like it's been like that in Houston. He
was like that in Cleveland. He doesn't have precision passing.
He can't do three steps, throw, five steps, throw seven steps,
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throw and get it to the receiver on time. He pats,
the ball bounces around by the time he throws it,
the defenders there or he wants to break the pocket. Now,
in Cleveland you didn't have the playmakers and that shit
didn't work. And Houston you had a little bit more there,
and Hopkins made highlight roils left and right feet what
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I'm saying, especially down the field, so that like Hopkins
made his name being a fifty to fifty you got
why because you ain't throwing no precision passing on his roads.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
You're just throwing the ship.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
In the head.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
You make it so that I would just say accuracy.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Both those guys, even Flacco right now at his age,
it's landslides above Watson when it comes to just pure
accuracy and three three steps or five step drop, just
regular passes the receivers know if they.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Make their roads, they'll get it to them. Watson hit
a miss. Yeah, I think it's gonna go.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I mean even the owner said it was they made
a trade point.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I mean, he's just realizing it.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Should years ago. That's when it come out of his pocket.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
The man should have realized that before he made the trade.
But that's I mean, he spent a lot of money.
But off off of Watson, I wish him the best man,
but I think his his NFL.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Career is done.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I hope those allegations, you know, weren't accurate. I lean
towards maybe they probably at least a few of them were.
There's too many of them or whatever happened. Either way,
he just I mean, he doesn't look like he's an
NFL quality player.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
He like I said, ever since all that that ship
went down, he hasn't been the same. And I don't know,
I don't know if he just got into his head
or what.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
He just has not been the same.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And now you're talking about I think what he towards
achilles back to back years he's out there, yeah, for
tearing his achilles in the off season.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
I think, yeah, he towards Achilles last year during the season,
and then they said while he was rehabing, the touring
Achilles toward again the same one.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
It's not looking good for that boy.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Did you see the Remember sorry to cut you off,
but you might what we was talking about this last show, right,
Tank Dell's out for the whole year again.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
It's gonna take him the whole year to rehab that leg.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Oh yeah, I knew. I knew that was gonna happen
because I think they said he tore his a cl
n C L m PC.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Just to try to get back.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I love to see Tank del back, but something tells
it's gonna be hard for them to ever get back
to the same player. But I'm definitely rooting for him.
I got a couple of flyer questions for you. I
want to know who's your surprise sleeper team in the
NFL this year. When I say that, I mean a
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team that didn't make the playoffs. This team is not
got it, not a Super Bowl prediction, just a non
playoff team that makes the playoffs this year.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I'm gonna go with two teams because, and I think
it what helps him. They're playing weak divisions and that's
in the NFC Atlanta in the AFC Jacksonville.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I think Jacksonville like some of the moves that they made.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
In last year, and lost the first the first week,
didn't they or did they lose the last.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
No, they lost, So it came down to the last
game of the season.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Yeah, Actually I think it was if Atlanta. If Atlanta won,
they win the division. If Atlanta lost in Tampa won,
the Tampa won the division. So Tempa won their last game,
Atlanta lost their last game, so Tampa won the division.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
But that's what I'm saying though, Like Atlanta last year,
I think they were like nine and eight. Yeah, and
then they played They played in such a week of
division that all they have to do is win nine
or ten games again and they'll be right back in
the I think they'll make the playoffs. Yeah, and that's
the Temple you know slits And same thing with Jacksonville.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I mean, you know, Houston won that division last year
was like ninety eight. So again, if Jacksonville could just
win nine or ten games, I think they can get in.
The Only question I have for Jacksonvie just the coach,
because I don't know too much about him. I just
know he was he worked with Sean McVay for a
while and then he was the O C in Tampa,
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so I don't I don't know too much about him.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
And then Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Like I said, Atlanta, I'm only picking those two teams
because they play weak divisions.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
It's not gonna be hard to just make up one game.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, I agree, both of them definitely got I will
have fighting chances.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I don't know. I mean I have a few.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
It's funny you say that week division. Yeah, my sleepid
team is probably the Panthers.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Honestly, Actually, I was just thinking about that too, because
the way they finished the season.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I think Bryce Young got his got his feet on drum.
I think he was playing.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I think the best thing that happened to him is
that they they benched him for those couple of games.
Made him make him realize, Okay, this is what the
NFL is about. If you don't take this ship seriously,
you know you're gonna be out of the job. I
think that woke him up. And then credit to the
coach too for putting them back in because most most
coaches we benched on him.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
We're done with them, and those handful of games and
brought him back in. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I think I think when he first got to the
NFL and he was looking at how big these people
are part I mean, yeah, I think he was shipping
bricks a little bit in the beginning. I think that
after the benching, the game slowed down a little bit
and he realized they got real, like I got it,
you know, it's kind of all and nothing, and he
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got got a little bit more on his own. But
they they would be my sleeper team. There's a few
other teams that that I that I do think could
potentially be sneaky good this year, but they're they're the
one that I think I expect them to take a
big step. And honestly, got only one more question and
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then we could wrap up and we'll jump back on
again later in the week, all right, So shoot me
NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year prediction and Defensive Rookie
of the Year prediction.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
H This is actually a tough one because I don't
know which position he's gonna play most. I was gonna
say the Travis Hunter, but Travis Hunter, depending on how
Jacksonville uses him, you could win either ward. That'd be crazy,
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But I can't see him winning both because I feel
like he plays both ways. One one position is gonna
it's gonna suffer more than the other. But as of
right now, I'll say he wins.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Offensive Rookie of the Year and I think Abduke Carter
wins the defensive Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
All right, Well, I'm gonna say one thing right.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Due to the fact that the Cons run the jaguarse
and I think I've seen workhorse wrestlers work, you know,
a lot of dates, extensive matches. I think that they'll
let him try it until he taps out, and I'm
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gonna go with it. I'm gonna say he wins Rookie
of the Year on offense and defense, first time we
ever see it. All right, I think that I'm gonna
make a ten dollar bet on that on one of
these apps, it'll probably be worth at least ten grand,
you bet it now. The odds been happening have to
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be ridiculously low.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
So uh A dark horse one for me though, is
even if I'm saying his name right, cam.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Chuka Bowl or she bow, scatter bow, scatter bow. There
you go on the giant Yeah, because.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
No, he was he was probably the second running back,
and so I think he can he could play huge
for that team because actually I have a legitimate running
back and another dark course to would be actually a
gents with the Raiders because as we talked about our
last show, Pete Carroll loves to run the football, so
I can see him easily getting fifteen hundred yards if
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he stays unhealthy.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Well, I put it like this, I give you my
top three on both sides. Yeah, I mean, say you are.
I gave you my predictions. So that's gonna stay what
it is. It would be pulled back up one way
or another. But I'll give you my other two. One defense,
I'm gonna obviously go Abdul Carter, he's I mean, depending
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on unless they play bad, could change that. My third one,
I'm gonna go with the sleeper Chris Paul Jr. On
the Rams fifth round pick, defensive rookie of the year. Okay, now,
I think I mean, I don't even know how we
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honestly fell to the fifth There's no way. I don't
think there was five linebackers better than him in this
draft unless he was looking for like one specific thing
that they did, because I think they probably was at
least one of the top three to five best linebackers
in the draft. Due to the fact that we should
have plenty of room for him to get on the field,
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he should have plenty of opportunities to make plays. He
would be my sleeper defensive Rookie of the Year. On
our offense, Hunt is the obvious choice. I mean, out
wide receiver genty is the clear cut second obvious choice.
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I think when it's third is where it gets interesting.
But I'm gonna go Ted McMillan with the Panthers, and
I think that he is part of the reason why
they get over the hump. So I mean I couldn't
I mean, I could see him winning rookie if if
it's not one of them three, right.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I will say, and he gets to learn from one
of the best rock runners in Land. Uh uh adam. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
If if it's not one of those three, it's because
a tight end takes it.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
And there's there's.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I mean at least three, maybe four of those guys
that probably have a chance to explode as soon as
they get into the league. Probably not Rock Bowers level,
but close enough to win Rookie of the Year. But
I'd say those are doc courses. I say Gen d
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Tech or Hunter definitely take it. I don't think the
quarterback should get enough playing time.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah, well, I already give you my three on offense,
my other two for deep, my three defense. Obviously Duke Carter.
I think he wins it. My dark courses. There will
be Mikhail Williams for the Niners. Yeah, he was a
beast in Georgia.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I hated other Niners and I hate that he's a
great player.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
And then the other one is I think it's Shakiir
Shakier is something.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I can't remember his last name, but he was reacted by,
rejected by the injected by the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
And so if they can convince Trey hendricks not to
hold out, I think him playing uh. But on the
other side of him, he's gonna open up a lot
of uh free lance him to get sacks because obviously
Hendrickson is gonna get all the double teams.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I have a funny feeling the drafted him because hendrick
is gonna get traded. I think that teams just knew
he's gonna force his way out of this. They didn't
want to give drafted capital for this year, and I
think the Bengals just kind of took the replacement. Well.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Internaty's saying that they're trying to work out a deal
with them, but they haven't came to agreement. I know
you have to be pissed off because he's trying to
get a deal done. But yet they gave all the
money to Tim Higgins and Jamar Chase. And I know
he's probably happy for his team. Minutes he's probably where's
my money at yep?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
But what he got to realize, and it sucks to
say it, is Joe Burrow demanded you bring back his guys.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
He's that actually, Joe Joe Burrow demanded all three of
them come back. He said that Philly can keep all
their guys.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
He did.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
But here's the thing, and you know, if you've been
on a football field, let's be honest. Here, you're the quarterback,
they ask you, do you want to keep Chasing Higgins?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Who you throw to?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Or Hendricks saying because he can't.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Keep all three exactly of course choosing Chase Higgins.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Yes, And this relationship with all with both of them too,
it's not your normal quarterback and receiver.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Obviously, he went to college with jamar Cha, So I
guess you said they grew up together.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Yeah, in football since and then you know with t
Higgins they were the same draft class. Joe Burrow win
the first round, Tiggins win the second round. So I
mean their whole entire NFL careers they played each other,
and what makes sense.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
T Higgins also came out and was like, I'm willing
to take less to stay Yeah, team ship, right, sometimes
you gotta just kind of look like where the loyalty is.
Like three of them sound like they was willing to
take shorts to stay together.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Even Joe Burrows came out of publicly cider he's willing
to restructure his contract and take just to keep all
three of those guys.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, and I mean Trey Hendrickson just these that. I mean,
I didn't see the comments where he was saying he'll
take less. I heard that he's not willing to take less.
Now I'm not inside, but that's if you're going off
what we've been told, it seems like he's not willing
to take less. T Higgins was he got his money
first coincidence.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Actually, I was at your surprise.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Te Higgins even got resits. I thought he's gonna leave
and go to Jacksonville with his college quarterback.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Give you, I give you. Give you an example. T
Higgins got tagged.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Year. He could have signed that tag and got the
maximum amount for this year with no new contract. When
he did that contract, he threw away about four million dollars.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
For the year he got.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
He got let he took less this year because he
could have did the franchise tag at twenty plus whatever
million it was. But instead he took the long term
and took less money this year because he wanted to
do the long term, long term contract. Now that's why
they worked with T. Higgins, because he put his cards
on the table. He want to figure it out with you.
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He didn't want to leave. Those are the guys that
you you get it done with unless you don't want
them no more, you know. And I think that's why
Higgins got his dal and Hendrickson not saying he won't,
but I think that he might need to leave the
hot ball off a little bit and just I mean,
just go take a if you want to be there,
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remember you getting a little longer in the two. Take
a couple of dollars less hair in there and make
it work Burrow. You know Burrow is willing to make
it work, so you gotta be willing to make it work.
I do want you to predict one division. We'll do
all of them, but I guess today we're just gonna
do one and we'll wrap it up.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Stopping.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
So we'll predict the NFC West one through four. Give
me the winner of the division all the way to
the bottom of the division.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Well, right now, I think the winner of the division
career cuts gonna be the La Rams. To me, they're
head and shoulders better than the other three teams. And
then two through four, I think it can.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Go either way.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Right now, I'm going to go with the Niners because
I trust Kyle Shanahan more than I trust the other
two coaches.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
And then I mean the other two teams, Seattle and Arizona.
That's a coin flet for where they finish. But to me,
I just think the Rams just better than everybody else.
They're heading in the right direction. The Niners they're not rebuilding,
but that they close, Yeah, they're close. If they're not rebuilding,
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they're retooling, if you want to call it that. They
lost a lot of players in free agency. They let
go Debo. So it's almost like a whole new team.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Now. Maybe John Lynch and how Shanahan, you know, maybe.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
They could work some magic with these new players and
maybe they might surprise us, but I don't see it.
And then with Arizona, I don't see what they did
this year to get better. And I'm still not even
sure if Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Is that guy. And then uh and the Seattle Seattle,
I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
I really don't know what direction they're going either, Like
it's Sam Donald really that much of an upgrade O
Viginal Smith.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Remember they got Milraw with that third round pick, so
they got a little bit of protection there.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I think that there.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
Yeah, I'm in for this year though, because I don't
see yet this year.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I don't. I don't expect. My thing is this.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I think this year that our division goes exactly back
to how it used to be. I got the Niners,
excuse me, I got the Rams winning the division just
like you, but I got it being very close between
them and the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I got it going a little bit back. I don't.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I know that a lot of people got jokes on
the Niners. I even did myself through the offseason. But
the truth is that had a great draft. They still
got kittled party is. I mean, he's not I don't
think he's top ten personally, but he's a good quarterback, right.
You still got Pairsol. I think he'll he'll get better.
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You still got Ayo.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I think he's the reason why they got rid of Dbo.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, you got Ayu.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I believe they still got Jennings, you got Kittle, you
still got McCaffrey. They're not as bad as people are
acting like. I wouldn't even be surprised if the Niners
won the division and we came in second. But we
both made the playoffs. But I'm going rams Niners by
a small margin.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Well, since Kyle Shanahan has been the coach of the Niners, Niners,
you dub one of two things. You either make it
all the way to the NFC championship year or they
just don't make the playoffs at all.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I don't expect them to have trouble getting into the
playoffs this year. Seattle in Arizona, A lot of people
are not gonna want to hear this. I think Seattle
has a bright future they had. Arguably, if I had
to go back and look again, they might have my
favorite draft out of the whole NFC West Milroe being
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a big part of that. They snagged a lot of
players that I specifically wanted and that already have a
core nucleus young players right.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Melroe.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Trump said, Donald don't work as long as Melro works,
so they have you know that going there. I don't
like that they traded DK metcalf. If I'm a Seahawks fan,
I love it being a Rams fan not as big on.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Yeah, but DK DK didn't want to be there and
the new coach didn't get them more.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I'm intrigued to see how Jackson Smith and Jacobobb plays
as the number one because I don't know if he
would have did what he was doing last year without
DK on the other side. So he's gonna have to
show me that against the QB. I'm a cornerback win.
I expect, Like I said, I'm being brutally honest. I
expect the Rams of nineers both at ten eleven, maybe
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even more wins. I expect the Coddinals and Seahawks to
suck this year. That's say I don't expect them to
be good. Maximum wins for Seattle, I'm saying eight estimation
five to eight. I bet you. I mean, I'm willing
to bet they lose both games to the Niners, and
(40:45):
both games to the Rams, probably split one with the Codinals.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
I'm willing to bet the Codinals do the same.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
There's both games to the Rams, both games to the Niners,
probably split one with the Seahawks. I don't expect either
one of them to be threats, so I expect the
division to look more like it's been outside of the
years that Seattle was really good. Rams, Niners, Seahawks, Cardinals
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would be my prediction. With the Codinals and Seahawks both
somewhere in between six and eight wins, that'd be my guest.
I don't think Kyler is going to be in Arizona
much longer. I do think he's really good. I don't
think Arizona did enough to suit what he does well,
and they kind of expect him to do certain things
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that he doesn't do well.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
Yeah, as some of that. I rely assume that on
him because if they if.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
They gotta, if they gotta write in your contract that
you gotta spend a certain amount of hours studying.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Yeah, you don't do what you's supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
There's there's a problem when they're bringing up video games
and stuff when they do tracks. I just but but
I do believe that what the coaching does for him
probably plays a part into that. Like you, and I'm
not saying it would work because I've never seen McVeigh
with a with a quarterback like this, But say he
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had a McVeigh and McVeigh was schematically designing things specifically
for him, he probably could keep the young man pretty
intrigued and focused on football. Uh Arizona Mine. That took
the wind out of his sale already.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
So yeah. But my thing though is that, like he
had Cliff Kingsbury for so many years, but I feel
that offense, the offense with Jayden and Daniels looked way
better than it ever did in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, but this this is the thing though, if you
go back to those it's funny you say that right
in the in two of those seasons, I believe the
last two they started off like smoking.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
They looked amazing.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
One of those years they even I felt like there
was like six seven and oh and both second half
of the season they collapsed. But but I I feel
like that showed you the potential of what could happen
if you have him with the right person.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
And nothing against Kingsbury, because I think he's a good mind.
He something about his teams have big collapses in the
second half. I know he avoided it last year.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Last year he wasn't at the head coach.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, that's that was the next thing I was going
to add in.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Usually when he has the reins, it's like, I don't know,
sometimes it's just bad luck. He's like has bad second
half collapses. But I think that the first half of
his seasons, a few of those times with College dictated
what Kyla could do. And I think if Kyla had
an offensive minded coach that knew what to do with him,
(43:48):
I think he'd be all right. Like if like, look
what the Ravens did for Lamar. They they made everything
around where he does. Yeah, some some teams just they
they kind of want to meet in the middle.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
College.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
He has deficiencies that don't have nothing to do with talent.
What I'm saying when it comes to the NFL.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
See, and I'm glad, I'm glad you brought up Lamar too.
Because shout out to John Harball.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
But he even fired the OC that was there when
Flecker was there and brought in a different OC that
actually had an offense cater to what Lamar does this.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
And that's and that's where the best coaches and the
best skill position coaches succeed at is because you you
it's fine that you can't. You don't just throw your
book away. That's not what I'm saying they should do.
But if you have a quarterback that you know what
he's good at. The best coach Belichick, I feel like,
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was one of the best at this. He found guys
that sometimes wasn't good at much, but you know that
one thing they was good at, he utilized it very
well and he made sure that he got that out
of him.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Sometimes. That's why that's why a lot of those players
are good in New England and nowhere.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Else, because they can't do it all. He finds.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
You know, the best coaches are going to maximize what
you're good at and hide what you're not good at.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Right right, Kyle has been.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I mean I want to say they exposed him sometimes
like he's not I don't think he was, and not
to say if you open up lanes. He can't do
it once in a while, but he was never going
to be a guy to do a typical regular drop
back look over the center, left and right, God be
able to see over them and throw the ball. I mean,
(45:47):
if that's what you're planning on doing with him, I
could let you know now it's gonna be less successful
more than it's going to be successful, just because he's
not gifted enough to see over that.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
It is.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, I mean, so you got to open up lanes.
You gotta utilize his scrambling ability, which I think after
cliff Kins Mary left they tried to get away from that.
You got to get him outside the pocket, utilize his
legs to the right, to the left, get him on
the run, get him easy outlook passes that's in front
of him. He can see the receiver. That's why he
(46:24):
looks for a bride a lot because he.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
Can see him. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
His outside receivers should be a lot bigger targets than
they are so he can see that, Like if he
had a Megatron sized wide receiver out there. Even if
per se he's not as good as maybe a receiver
that's a little bit shorter.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
Well, but that's what they're hoping that Martha Harrison Junior
will be come and I think he will, you know,
but it's like you took.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
I think there was flashes in games when he showed that.
But I also feel that he has to get comfortable
with him, you know. And like long routes down the
field also don't help, you know, because that's probably where
he some of those things down the middle of the field,
you know, twenty thirty yards down the field. He's got
(47:16):
trouble seeing over people, and you need to you need
to get him outside the pocket.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
And that's on coaching.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
You gotta have more swing tackles, you gotta have more
tight end protection, more motion, and and you got to
get him in more more lanes where he can see.
Speaker 5 (47:33):
And I think, yeah, I think they're I think the
biggest problem, especially with this new because their new coach
came from Philly, and so I think sometimes they try
to use him what they Philly uses.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Jaalen hurts, but he's not.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Murders had decide that jailing hurts this Jaellen hurt saying
as little as people think he is, I don't know,
he's not.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
I don't know why people think I have this misconception
that he's a little guy. There's a reason why that
that QB sneak works. Then he's a he's a little
he's not. He's not as as you know, He's not
this five ten guy. He's six feet plus. He might
be a lower six feet, but he also got some
weight to him.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
College.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
I think Landslide is the smallest quarterback in the NFL,
if I'm not mistaken, other than brace Shall.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
Yeah, I think him at burs Young might be the
same height. But I know Burce Young because it knock
on him. Is that he's skinny, Yeah, yeah, or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, Kylein definitely got got got some more weight on
him than he does. But their their Landslide smaller than everybody.
So to make that work, you gotta I mean, it's
gonna all come down the vision and if if they're
having trouble seeing over people, that's not gonna work. You're
gonna have to You're gonna have to work out some
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more spacing or you're gonna have to get them to
one of the sides.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
You gotta just gotta utilize their legs a little bit
more and get them some easy passes. The timing will come,
and eventually I think they'll be more comfortable throwing the spots,
even maybe if they don't see them, but you got
you gotta build their confidence up. I feel like College
has been in the roller coaster and Price's trajectory is
(49:17):
looking good. But in the beginning it wasn't. But any
any other things you want to add in before we
wrap up?
Speaker 4 (49:26):
My brother, Now that that was?
Speaker 5 (49:29):
That was That was a great, great show. It is
now third or third show now, yeah, so yeah, let's
just keep it rolling now, Yeah, this is this is
it for now and then yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
Until next time.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
Likewise, my brother, well, this is Mike.
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You are from the Sports Show, so we'll be seeing
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but we're guaranteeing weekly and you.
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(50:34):
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But y'all have a blast night Mike and it's gonna
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Speaker 3 (50:41):
Talk to you right, peace, Yes, sir,
Right right, right, right, right.
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We we got a couple of sports updates for you.
I'm a few things we're gonna go o, but I'm
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Speaker 4 (00:47):
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(01:13):
but we will have people to come in and update
you on those things. Off that business a bit more
NFL stuff, I guess we'll go to our rivals. What
are you thinking about the party contract as well as
the Kittle contract that they've already done. The party one
isn't done.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
The Kittle's done.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Uh, I'm not, And I just think it's good for him.
He's doing one of the best tight ends in the
league for many years, and so you know.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
He deserves to get paid.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
So I have nothing against them making him the highest
paid tight end. To me, it's better than Tret McBride,
who was the previoucy highest paid tight end. So they
get another kittle for party. I feel if they're gonna
get a fill done at some point. I think maybe
it was holding it up is maybe he wants Dak
(02:06):
Prescott money and I don't think the miners feel like
he deserves Dak Prescott money. As a matter of fact,
I don't think Dak Prescott deserves that Prescott money. So
maybe maybe that's the hold up is. But I think
they'll get it done at some point.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, this isn't isn't me speaking on it if
I'm general manager, because I'm obviously not in that position.
But in the in the NFL, like in the day,
it is right now.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
He's going to get fifty fifty eight year minimum.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Well, I think you should because I mean, yeah, that's yeh.
I mean Trevor Lawrence makes that much and he's more
accomplished than Trimpa. Lawrence's true.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
There's there's a few arguments to be made there, but
I would say he's he's earned fifty million a year.
I don't I don't think that's negotiable. And it's not
due to talent, is due to the NFL, due to
I mean, his wins where he's brought them. So I'm
(03:11):
not against that when it comes to Lawrence and those guys.
I still think if you if you was the cut
the teams and you look at the players, Lawrence is
far superior. If you was to put Lawrence with Shanahan,
you know, I think that's where a few things come
(03:33):
in where where coaching teams, systems, things like that matter.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Like I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Do you think Perdy would be doing good on the
Jaguars if he got drafted there?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
High?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Oh no, He'll know yeah, get the NFL already. So
that's the thing if a guy like Trevor Lawrence not
saying the Jaguars don't rebound, because I think now they
might be invested in a little bit more. But if
you was to put Trevor Lawrence on the forty nine ers.
He's better than Praid. There's not one thing you can't
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do better than Prady. So I think that's just more
circumstances of where you are and who's coaching you, you know,
because if you flip those players, I think the Jaguars
get worse and then Nineties get better. That would just
be about my personal opinion.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
And now, yes, I agree with you there, but I
think like if I'm Brock Pretty's agent, oh, I'm just like, yeah,
I'm putting the stats in in the accomplishment like you, no.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
One guy you know played in the Super Bowl. Well,
Brock Purty hasn't even made it past I think.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
The second round, Mabe yet Lawrence hasn't even Yeah, he's
died in the first round every time. But I think
I'm where here's the two things. Because you hit it
on the money that agent and probably Pretty, going off
of stats, playoff wins what he's a call Pish. The
forty nine ers are probably looking at the agent like
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he's not better than Trevor Lawrence, Like we know what
we did for him and what's not being done for
Trevor Lawrence And that's kind of where the difference is there.
Had the forty nine ers had Trevor Lawrence, he would
have already got sixty million. That's they know he's a
superior talent. Rock Perdy. I know that he's not saying
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he's not good, but he's more systematically made over there
in San Francisco. Then Trevor Lawrence getting drafted high and
have to take a bad boat and bring it to
an island that they've never seen before, you know what
I'm saying. So that, yeah, some of these quarterbacks get
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they get drafted high to a bad system, and sometimes
it's almost better to be like a Russell Wilson and
all to like the third round and go to Seattle.
That's good and you kind of get a better development
versus going to like, you know, not even now, because
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I don't know what Raid is gonna do now with
Brady and stuff, but going to per Se the Raiders
or one of these Jets or one of these perennial
bad teams very high with a bad coach, no players
around you, I mean, parties in San Francisco. I'd give
him the fifty million because the league says, you know,
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you have to but if his agent is coming to
me comparing him to Trevor Lawrence, I'm laughing.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
That's just me.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Well see, I blame I blame Jared Jones and the
Dallas Cowboys for fucking up the excuse my language, but
messing up the quarterback market. Yep, because Jared Jones made
Dak Prescott the highest paid quarterback in NFL history, was
sixty million a year. So now every other quarterback, like
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for example, if let's say no, Josh Allen's contract is up,
you know he can go to Buffalo. But like, look,
I'm better than Dak Prescott. I've accomplished more than Dad Prescott.
So if he's making sixty million, I deserve at least
sixty five.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I take you, I take your steps, keep going up
and up and up. Take your step further with it
messed up because it's even deeper than Dallas. They're part
of the teams that fall under the foolishness of what
I'm about to tell you, right, don't get me wrong,
Like when you not everything is paid by production, because
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you could have someone where you know they're just about
to explode, you just kind of give them, got to
give them their break. They see it. It might even
been the last year in their rookie dale. But you see,
you got to pay them because they just you know,
they're about to go. But his here's where where the
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problem lies with I think with a lot of the.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
You know, n IF I wouldn't even say NFL contracts.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I think a lot of these NFL teams will own
this or gms get duped by the agents. And this
is where the NFL needs the combat a little bit
because and I don't want to dictate people's money, because
that's crazy. I want all these guys to get their money.
But here's the thing, the thing that straps teams, right,
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I don't know when it started because it's a long
time ago, but I'll give you an example. Patrick Mahone
wins the Super Bowl, just figuratively speaking, right, his contracts.
Do you make him the highest paid in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
It's warranted.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's coming out for Super Bowl win, maybe an MVP,
and I get that unless he says he wants to
take a short, you have no business asking him to
take a short, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I think that's what happened with the Joe Flecco because
he was the last year of his deal. Yeah, and
then yeah, you had to become the highest PAKED player.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
They had a break up the team to make him
the highest PA player.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But yeah, they should have paid him before. But you
know what, he has the best playoff front I think
still to this day is an NFL quarterback. He got
your ring that year, you don't you you played craps
and you lost His agent got your number.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
But that also factors into this as well, what I'm
about to say, because maybe you didn't have to do that.
And I'll tell you why. If factors into the NFL
versus the agents. The players, you know, they kind of
just in the middle. Somewhere along the line, the best
player NFL got paid, whether it was a quarterback, a
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wide receiver, running back, whatever. And I don't know if
it was players. Maybe I don't know if it was
the agents. Most likely I highly doubt it was the
teams because it would make no sense. They decided it's
no longer about being the best player at your position.
It's the next person that gets paid gets the most.
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And it's the most ridiculous thing ever, because here's the thing.
If I'm the best defensive end in football and I
signed a contract today. Who the hell said that agent
could come and tomorrow with the third best defensive end
and say he needs a bigger contract than me because
his contract's up.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
He's not better than me. That's silly.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yeah, but see, I think the players Union set that
up because now now when that best player is up
for another contract, he's gonna get more money. They really
really said the market, don't.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Get me wrong, But it doesn't always happen like that.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Like if the best playing football signs a six year
contract and it's his last contract, ten of the players
after him get bigger contracts. It's like, bro, looking, I've
seen it happen with Aaron Donald, seeing it happen with
JJ Watt when he was the best player. I've seen it,
you know, multiple times. Like look, bro, from the best
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quarterback and I get paid today, in your contract's up tomorrow,
you ain't worth more than Like the agents need to
stop that.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
It's like, look at.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
You, like, there's there's no way Dak Prescott should be
making more money than Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, and that's what it comes down to. It's like
you're the next man up. Cool, but you're not the
best man, so there's no way that your agents should
bring up Mahomes money because you ain't do what Mahomes did,
so what realistically what they should be doing. And this
is why teams getting these arguments and eventually pay the money.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It's say, look, if you are is you.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Need to be paid more than Patrick Mahomes because your
contract was up after and I'm looking at you saying
you never want a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I'm not paying you, Like who decides this stuff? Like
you put it like this.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
That's one of those situations where nobody in the NFL should.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Pay you that.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I don't care how that's but you are because you're
you're messing up the market, that's what you're doing. So
then at the end of the day, you're strapping teams
out where if a teammate's smart enough to play with
their cap space, you're overpaying mediocre quarterbacks and you're destroying
your future.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
It makes no sense. I mean, like the Rams.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Are only were only willing to give Stafford what forty
million dollars, that's Matthew Stafford. Other teams were lining up
to give him sixty seventy million dollars.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Well, STI what the Rams did to Matthew Stafford, which
was kind of fucked up. But luckily, you know, he
wanted to stay here. But they try to use his
age against him, like all, he's thirty seven, and so
they try to use that as excuse.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Him why he shouldn't make as much money as like
a Dak Prescott. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Well, but here's the thing, Like you said, Dak Prescott
don't deserve Dak Prescott money.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So in a situation where you're looking.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Where Matthew Stafford talent says he's worth every penny, right,
but when you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Giving him like.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Patrick Mahomes money, Patrick Mahomes is taking a short right now.
And he got multiple rings, multiple AFC Championships, multiple super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
But Kansas City was smart.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
They gave him his money years ago, and they gave
him a ten year deal. So when I forgot when
I think he's Sundays. So his contract ain't even up
until twenty thirty. Yeah, no, they can't even discuss his
contractor to at least nine.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
They restructure it every year or two, if you notice,
which means you're sta involved with them now at any time,
at any time, Patrick Mahons could be like, you know,
what I want sixty five million dollars a year. I'm
not playing and you know what they would have to
do give them the money. Right when other quarterbacks are
demanding these or even thinking they touching these these levels
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of money, the smarter teams ain't falling for it, and
no disrespect to staff it. The rams ain't falling for it.
They not paying you that money because I guarantee you
they thinking exactly what I'm thinking is they look it.
I don't care that your contract's up next. I'm not
making you high as paid. I'm just not because we're
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looking at a year to year thing because we don't
know when you want to retire. We have your age
to worry about, and we have our future to worry about.
We're not gonna bend over and do something that damages
our future. But unfortunately a lot of teams are willing
to do it, like Browns with Deshaun Watson. Look at
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that now they got five quarterbacks, but like, what are
we doing? What I'm saying, you can't. You can't put
that type of money up if you don't go to
Mahomes and josh Allen Lamar Jackson one of those type
of guys like I wouldn't even give Jalen Hurts that
type of money.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Right now, the Browns are paying Deshaun Watson fifty eight
millions life paid play because he towards Achilles and.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
We have so he's out for this other twenty five
seasons they're paying.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Someone will offer them a twenty thirty three seventh round pick,
they'll take it right now. Yeah, for the year twenty
thirty three, just to eat a little bit of that money.
That's that's how bad they are right now, and that
that situation.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
If Cleveland ever wants to get rid of Deshaun Watson,
they're gonna have to do what Denver did with Russell
Wilson last year, which is, we'll trade you to Pittsburgh.
But Pittsburgh is okay, we'll take Russell Wilson off your hands,
but you got to.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You gotta pay his contract. We ain't paying him.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, no, forty something millions. Nobody, nobody wanted to touch him.
I don't think when that trade happened besides the Browns.
Somehow the Browns kind of got duped into that and
thought there was like four teams involved.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I don't I think they might.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Have been one for whatever.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
For what I remember, I think it was he wanted
to go to Atlanta. I think Atlanta was the team,
and then Cleveland last minute offered him more money than Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, was the other team because that's where he's from,
and then they wanted it was willing to do the homecoming.
I think he reminded them a little bit of Michael
Vick four Man's version honestly, but bet I would that
just was one of the that might be the overall
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worst trade and sign I've seen in the last twenty years,
to tell you the truth, I don't know if it
gets much worse than.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, they Deshaun Watson from Houston, though all them Rake
allegations and sexual assault cases, he had it missed with
his head because he hasn't been the same since.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah. He also don't have DeAndre Hopkins, which if you
notice a lot of I mean he throws a lot
of jump balls. Yeah yeah, I mean, like I don't
know if his accuracy was ever ever that too impressive honestly,
just my personal opinion. He's more of a gifted athlete
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and he makes a lot of plays outside of the pocket,
and he's played with some players that.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
That benefits him.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Unfortunately, the Browns and have those type of players.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So he's in the pocket throwing garbage. Like you.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
They want you to play precision passing, and I ain't
see much precision.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
That's yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
The only thing that like I will push back on
you though, is that when Joe Flecker was the quarterback
when he was hurt, he was throwing to the same guys,
but the office looked way better.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Yeah, James Woodston the same thing, like when James Wintster
was playing, He's the office look way bitter good.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I think it's I'm gonna tell you why they're more
accurate than it, so that I don't think that Deshaun
Watson has no accuracy.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So Flacco and.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Jameis Winston, you put in the pocket, they're gonna get
out some accurate passes, which is why the office looks
better Deshaun Watson. The first thing that I used to
tell my cousin all the time when it comes to
Deshaun Watson, I used to tell him, like, yo, I
don't see it with him for two big reasons. Right,
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his accuracy has always been questionable to me.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Right. The second thing is he holds the.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Ball too long.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I mean, if people think that that was like a
huge knock on Shador Sanders this year, well where was
they the past eight nine years when Deshaun Watson was
doing It's like it's been like that in Houston. He
was like that in Cleveland. He doesn't have precision passing.
He can't do three steps, throw, five steps, throw seven steps,
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throw and get it to the receiver on time. He pats,
the ball bounces around by the time he throws it,
the defenders there or he wants to break the pocket. Now,
in Cleveland you didn't have the playmakers and that shit
didn't work. And Houston you had a little bit more there,
and Hopkins made highlight roils left and right feet what
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I'm saying, especially down the field, so that like Hopkins
made his name being a fifty to fifty you got
why because you ain't throwing no precision passing on his roads.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
You're just throwing the ship.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
In the head.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
You make it so that I would just say accuracy.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Both those guys, even Flacco right now at his age,
it's landslides above Watson when it comes to just pure
accuracy and three three steps or five step drop, just
regular passes the receivers know if they.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Make their roads, they'll get it to them. Watson hit
a miss. Yeah, I think it's gonna go.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I mean even the owner said it was they made
a trade point.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I mean, he's just realizing it.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Should years ago. That's when it come out of his pocket.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
The man should have realized that before he made the trade.
But that's I mean, he spent a lot of money.
But off off of Watson, I wish him the best man,
but I think his his NFL.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Career is done.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I hope those allegations, you know, weren't accurate. I lean
towards maybe they probably at least a few of them were.
There's too many of them or whatever happened. Either way,
he just I mean, he doesn't look like he's an
NFL quality player.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
He like I said, ever since all that that ship
went down, he hasn't been the same. And I don't know,
I don't know if he just got into his head
or what.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
He just has not been the same.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And now you're talking about I think what he towards
achilles back to back years he's out there, yeah, for
tearing his achilles in the off season.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
I think, yeah, he towards Achilles last year during the season,
and then they said while he was rehabing, the touring
Achilles toward again the same one.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
It's not looking good for that boy.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Did you see the Remember sorry to cut you off,
but you might what we was talking about this last show, right,
Tank Dell's out for the whole year again.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
It's gonna take him the whole year to rehab that leg.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Oh yeah, I knew. I knew that was gonna happen
because I think they said he tore his a cl
n C L m PC.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Just to try to get back.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I love to see Tank del back, but something tells
it's gonna be hard for them to ever get back
to the same player. But I'm definitely rooting for him.
I got a couple of flyer questions for you. I
want to know who's your surprise sleeper team in the
NFL this year. When I say that, I mean a
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team that didn't make the playoffs. This team is not
got it, not a Super Bowl prediction, just a non
playoff team that makes the playoffs this year.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I'm gonna go with two teams because, and I think
it what helps him. They're playing weak divisions and that's
in the NFC Atlanta in the AFC Jacksonville.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I think Jacksonville like some of the moves that they made.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
In last year, and lost the first the first week,
didn't they or did they lose the last.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
No, they lost, So it came down to the last
game of the season.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Yeah, Actually I think it was if Atlanta. If Atlanta won,
they win the division. If Atlanta lost in Tampa won,
the Tampa won the division. So Tempa won their last game,
Atlanta lost their last game, so Tampa won the division.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
But that's what I'm saying though, Like Atlanta last year,
I think they were like nine and eight. Yeah, and
then they played They played in such a week of
division that all they have to do is win nine
or ten games again and they'll be right back in
the I think they'll make the playoffs. Yeah, and that's
the Temple you know slits And same thing with Jacksonville.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I mean, you know, Houston won that division last year
was like ninety eight. So again, if Jacksonville could just
win nine or ten games, I think they can get in.
The Only question I have for Jacksonvie just the coach,
because I don't know too much about him. I just
know he was he worked with Sean McVay for a
while and then he was the O C in Tampa,
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so I don't I don't know too much about him.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
And then Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Like I said, Atlanta, I'm only picking those two teams
because they play weak divisions.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
It's not gonna be hard to just make up one game.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, I agree, both of them definitely got I will
have fighting chances.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I don't know. I mean I have a few.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
It's funny you say that week division. Yeah, my sleepid
team is probably the Panthers.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Honestly, Actually, I was just thinking about that too, because
the way they finished the season.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I think Bryce Young got his got his feet on drum.
I think he was playing.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I think the best thing that happened to him is
that they they benched him for those couple of games.
Made him make him realize, Okay, this is what the
NFL is about. If you don't take this ship seriously,
you know you're gonna be out of the job. I
think that woke him up. And then credit to the
coach too for putting them back in because most most
coaches we benched on him.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
We're done with them, and those handful of games and
brought him back in. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I think I think when he first got to the
NFL and he was looking at how big these people
are part I mean, yeah, I think he was shipping
bricks a little bit in the beginning. I think that
after the benching, the game slowed down a little bit
and he realized they got real, like I got it,
you know, it's kind of all and nothing, and he
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got got a little bit more on his own. But
they they would be my sleeper team. There's a few
other teams that that I that I do think could
potentially be sneaky good this year, but they're they're the
one that I think I expect them to take a
big step. And honestly, got only one more question and
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then we could wrap up and we'll jump back on
again later in the week, all right, So shoot me
NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year prediction and Defensive Rookie
of the Year prediction.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
H This is actually a tough one because I don't
know which position he's gonna play most. I was gonna
say the Travis Hunter, but Travis Hunter, depending on how
Jacksonville uses him, you could win either ward. That'd be crazy,
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But I can't see him winning both because I feel
like he plays both ways. One one position is gonna
it's gonna suffer more than the other. But as of
right now, I'll say he wins.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Offensive Rookie of the Year and I think Abduke Carter
wins the defensive Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
All right, Well, I'm gonna say one thing right.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Due to the fact that the Cons run the jaguarse
and I think I've seen workhorse wrestlers work, you know,
a lot of dates, extensive matches. I think that they'll
let him try it until he taps out, and I'm
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gonna go with it. I'm gonna say he wins Rookie
of the Year on offense and defense, first time we
ever see it. All right, I think that I'm gonna
make a ten dollar bet on that on one of
these apps, it'll probably be worth at least ten grand,
you bet it now. The odds been happening have to
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be ridiculously low.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
So uh A dark horse one for me though, is
even if I'm saying his name right, cam.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Chuka Bowl or she bow, scatter bow, scatter bow. There
you go on the giant Yeah, because.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
No, he was he was probably the second running back,
and so I think he can he could play huge
for that team because actually I have a legitimate running
back and another dark course to would be actually a
gents with the Raiders because as we talked about our
last show, Pete Carroll loves to run the football, so
I can see him easily getting fifteen hundred yards if
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he stays unhealthy.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Well, I put it like this, I give you my
top three on both sides. Yeah, I mean, say you are.
I gave you my predictions. So that's gonna stay what
it is. It would be pulled back up one way
or another. But I'll give you my other two. One defense,
I'm gonna obviously go Abdul Carter, he's I mean, depending
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on unless they play bad, could change that. My third one,
I'm gonna go with the sleeper Chris Paul Jr. On
the Rams fifth round pick, defensive rookie of the year. Okay, now,
I think I mean, I don't even know how we
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honestly fell to the fifth There's no way. I don't
think there was five linebackers better than him in this
draft unless he was looking for like one specific thing
that they did, because I think they probably was at
least one of the top three to five best linebackers
in the draft. Due to the fact that we should
have plenty of room for him to get on the field,
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he should have plenty of opportunities to make plays. He
would be my sleeper defensive Rookie of the Year. On
our offense, Hunt is the obvious choice. I mean, out
wide receiver genty is the clear cut second obvious choice.
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I think when it's third is where it gets interesting.
But I'm gonna go Ted McMillan with the Panthers, and
I think that he is part of the reason why
they get over the hump. So I mean I couldn't
I mean, I could see him winning rookie if if
it's not one of them three, right.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I will say, and he gets to learn from one
of the best rock runners in Land. Uh uh adam. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
If if it's not one of those three, it's because
a tight end takes it.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
And there's there's.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I mean at least three, maybe four of those guys
that probably have a chance to explode as soon as
they get into the league. Probably not Rock Bowers level,
but close enough to win Rookie of the Year. But
I'd say those are doc courses. I say Gen d
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Tech or Hunter definitely take it. I don't think the
quarterback should get enough playing time.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah, well, I already give you my three on offense,
my other two for deep, my three defense. Obviously Duke Carter.
I think he wins it. My dark courses. There will
be Mikhail Williams for the Niners. Yeah, he was a
beast in Georgia.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I hated other Niners and I hate that he's a
great player.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
And then the other one is I think it's Shakiir
Shakier is something.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I can't remember his last name, but he was reacted by,
rejected by the injected by the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
And so if they can convince Trey hendricks not to
hold out, I think him playing uh. But on the
other side of him, he's gonna open up a lot
of uh free lance him to get sacks because obviously
Hendrickson is gonna get all the double teams.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I have a funny feeling the drafted him because hendrick
is gonna get traded. I think that teams just knew
he's gonna force his way out of this. They didn't
want to give drafted capital for this year, and I
think the Bengals just kind of took the replacement. Well.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Internaty's saying that they're trying to work out a deal
with them, but they haven't came to agreement. I know
you have to be pissed off because he's trying to
get a deal done. But yet they gave all the
money to Tim Higgins and Jamar Chase. And I know
he's probably happy for his team. Minutes he's probably where's
my money at yep?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
But what he got to realize, and it sucks to
say it, is Joe Burrow demanded you bring back his guys.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
He's that actually, Joe Joe Burrow demanded all three of
them come back. He said that Philly can keep all
their guys.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
He did.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
But here's the thing, and you know, if you've been
on a football field, let's be honest. Here, you're the quarterback,
they ask you, do you want to keep Chasing Higgins?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Who you throw to?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Or Hendricks saying because he can't.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Keep all three exactly of course choosing Chase Higgins.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Yes, And this relationship with all with both of them too,
it's not your normal quarterback and receiver.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Obviously, he went to college with jamar Cha, So I
guess you said they grew up together.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Yeah, in football since and then you know with t
Higgins they were the same draft class. Joe Burrow win
the first round, Tiggins win the second round. So I
mean their whole entire NFL careers they played each other,
and what makes sense.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
T Higgins also came out and was like, I'm willing
to take less to stay Yeah, team ship, right, sometimes
you gotta just kind of look like where the loyalty is.
Like three of them sound like they was willing to
take shorts to stay together.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Even Joe Burrows came out of publicly cider he's willing
to restructure his contract and take just to keep all
three of those guys.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, and I mean Trey Hendrickson just these that. I mean,
I didn't see the comments where he was saying he'll
take less. I heard that he's not willing to take less.
Now I'm not inside, but that's if you're going off
what we've been told, it seems like he's not willing
to take less. T Higgins was he got his money
first coincidence.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Actually, I was at your surprise.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Te Higgins even got resits. I thought he's gonna leave
and go to Jacksonville with his college quarterback.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Give you, I give you. Give you an example. T
Higgins got tagged.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Year. He could have signed that tag and got the
maximum amount for this year with no new contract. When
he did that contract, he threw away about four million dollars.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
For the year he got.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
He got let he took less this year because he
could have did the franchise tag at twenty plus whatever
million it was. But instead he took the long term
and took less money this year because he wanted to
do the long term, long term contract. Now that's why
they worked with T. Higgins, because he put his cards
on the table. He want to figure it out with you.
(35:07):
He didn't want to leave. Those are the guys that
you you get it done with unless you don't want
them no more, you know. And I think that's why
Higgins got his dal and Hendrickson not saying he won't,
but I think that he might need to leave the
hot ball off a little bit and just I mean,
just go take a if you want to be there,
(35:28):
remember you getting a little longer in the two. Take
a couple of dollars less hair in there and make
it work Burrow. You know Burrow is willing to make
it work, so you gotta be willing to make it work.
I do want you to predict one division. We'll do
all of them, but I guess today we're just gonna
do one and we'll wrap it up.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Stopping.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
So we'll predict the NFC West one through four. Give
me the winner of the division all the way to
the bottom of the division.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Well, right now, I think the winner of the division
career cuts gonna be the La Rams. To me, they're
head and shoulders better than the other three teams. And
then two through four, I think it can.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Go either way.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Right now, I'm going to go with the Niners because
I trust Kyle Shanahan more than I trust the other
two coaches.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
And then I mean the other two teams, Seattle and Arizona.
That's a coin flet for where they finish. But to me,
I just think the Rams just better than everybody else.
They're heading in the right direction. The Niners they're not rebuilding,
but that they close, Yeah, they're close. If they're not rebuilding,
(36:48):
they're retooling, if you want to call it that. They
lost a lot of players in free agency. They let
go Debo. So it's almost like a whole new team.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Now. Maybe John Lynch and how Shanahan, you know, maybe.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
They could work some magic with these new players and
maybe they might surprise us, but I don't see it.
And then with Arizona, I don't see what they did
this year to get better. And I'm still not even
sure if Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Is that guy. And then uh and the Seattle Seattle,
I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
I really don't know what direction they're going either, Like
it's Sam Donald really that much of an upgrade O
Viginal Smith.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Remember they got Milraw with that third round pick, so
they got a little bit of protection there.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I think that there.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
Yeah, I'm in for this year though, because I don't
see yet this year.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I don't. I don't expect. My thing is this.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I think this year that our division goes exactly back
to how it used to be. I got the Niners,
excuse me, I got the Rams winning the division just
like you, but I got it being very close between
them and the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I got it going a little bit back. I don't.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I know that a lot of people got jokes on
the Niners. I even did myself through the offseason. But
the truth is that had a great draft. They still
got kittled party is. I mean, he's not I don't
think he's top ten personally, but he's a good quarterback, right.
You still got Pairsol. I think he'll he'll get better.
(38:21):
You still got Ayo.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I think he's the reason why they got rid of Dbo.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, you got Ayu.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I believe they still got Jennings, you got Kittle, you
still got McCaffrey. They're not as bad as people are
acting like. I wouldn't even be surprised if the Niners
won the division and we came in second. But we
both made the playoffs. But I'm going rams Niners by
a small margin.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Well, since Kyle Shanahan has been the coach of the Niners, Niners,
you dub one of two things. You either make it
all the way to the NFC championship year or they
just don't make the playoffs at all.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I don't expect them to have trouble getting into the
playoffs this year. Seattle in Arizona, A lot of people
are not gonna want to hear this. I think Seattle
has a bright future they had. Arguably, if I had
to go back and look again, they might have my
favorite draft out of the whole NFC West Milroe being
(39:22):
a big part of that. They snagged a lot of
players that I specifically wanted and that already have a
core nucleus young players right.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Melroe.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Trump said, Donald don't work as long as Melro works,
so they have you know that going there. I don't
like that they traded DK metcalf. If I'm a Seahawks fan,
I love it being a Rams fan not as big on.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Yeah, but DK DK didn't want to be there and
the new coach didn't get them more.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I'm intrigued to see how Jackson Smith and Jacobobb plays
as the number one because I don't know if he
would have did what he was doing last year without
DK on the other side. So he's gonna have to
show me that against the QB. I'm a cornerback win.
I expect, Like I said, I'm being brutally honest. I
expect the Rams of nineers both at ten eleven, maybe
(40:22):
even more wins. I expect the Coddinals and Seahawks to
suck this year. That's say I don't expect them to
be good. Maximum wins for Seattle, I'm saying eight estimation
five to eight. I bet you. I mean, I'm willing
to bet they lose both games to the Niners, and
(40:45):
both games to the Rams, probably split one with the Codinals.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
I'm willing to bet the Codinals do the same.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
There's both games to the Rams, both games to the Niners,
probably split one with the Seahawks. I don't expect either
one of them to be threats, so I expect the
division to look more like it's been outside of the
years that Seattle was really good. Rams, Niners, Seahawks, Cardinals
(41:12):
would be my prediction. With the Codinals and Seahawks both
somewhere in between six and eight wins, that'd be my guest.
I don't think Kyler is going to be in Arizona
much longer. I do think he's really good. I don't
think Arizona did enough to suit what he does well,
and they kind of expect him to do certain things
(41:32):
that he doesn't do well.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
Yeah, as some of that. I rely assume that on
him because if they if.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
They gotta, if they gotta write in your contract that
you gotta spend a certain amount of hours studying.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Yeah, you don't do what you's supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
There's there's a problem when they're bringing up video games
and stuff when they do tracks. I just but but
I do believe that what the coaching does for him
probably plays a part into that. Like you, and I'm
not saying it would work because I've never seen McVeigh
with a with a quarterback like this, But say he
(42:09):
had a McVeigh and McVeigh was schematically designing things specifically
for him, he probably could keep the young man pretty
intrigued and focused on football. Uh Arizona Mine. That took
the wind out of his sale already.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
So yeah. But my thing though is that, like he
had Cliff Kingsbury for so many years, but I feel
that offense, the offense with Jayden and Daniels looked way
better than it ever did in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, but this this is the thing though, if you
go back to those it's funny you say that right
in the in two of those seasons, I believe the
last two they started off like smoking.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
They looked amazing.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
One of those years they even I felt like there
was like six seven and oh and both second half
of the season they collapsed. But but I I feel
like that showed you the potential of what could happen
if you have him with the right person.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
And nothing against Kingsbury, because I think he's a good mind.
He something about his teams have big collapses in the
second half. I know he avoided it last year.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Last year he wasn't at the head coach.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, that's that was the next thing I was going
to add in.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Usually when he has the reins, it's like, I don't know,
sometimes it's just bad luck. He's like has bad second
half collapses. But I think that the first half of
his seasons, a few of those times with College dictated
what Kyla could do. And I think if Kyla had
an offensive minded coach that knew what to do with him,
(43:48):
I think he'd be all right. Like if like, look
what the Ravens did for Lamar. They they made everything
around where he does. Yeah, some some teams just they
they kind of want to meet in the middle.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
College.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
He has deficiencies that don't have nothing to do with talent.
What I'm saying when it comes to the NFL.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
See, and I'm glad, I'm glad you brought up Lamar too.
Because shout out to John Harball.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
But he even fired the OC that was there when
Flecker was there and brought in a different OC that
actually had an offense cater to what Lamar does this.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
And that's and that's where the best coaches and the
best skill position coaches succeed at is because you you
it's fine that you can't. You don't just throw your
book away. That's not what I'm saying they should do.
But if you have a quarterback that you know what
he's good at. The best coach Belichick, I feel like,
(44:52):
was one of the best at this. He found guys
that sometimes wasn't good at much, but you know that
one thing they was good at, he utilized it very
well and he made sure that he got that out
of him.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Sometimes. That's why that's why a lot of those players
are good in New England and nowhere.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Else, because they can't do it all. He finds.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
You know, the best coaches are going to maximize what
you're good at and hide what you're not good at.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Right right, Kyle has been.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I mean I want to say they exposed him sometimes
like he's not I don't think he was, and not
to say if you open up lanes. He can't do
it once in a while, but he was never going
to be a guy to do a typical regular drop
back look over the center, left and right, God be
able to see over them and throw the ball. I mean,
(45:47):
if that's what you're planning on doing with him, I
could let you know now it's gonna be less successful
more than it's going to be successful, just because he's
not gifted enough to see over that.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
It is.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, I mean, so you got to open up lanes.
You gotta utilize his scrambling ability, which I think after
cliff Kins Mary left they tried to get away from that.
You got to get him outside the pocket, utilize his
legs to the right, to the left, get him on
the run, get him easy outlook passes that's in front
of him. He can see the receiver. That's why he
(46:24):
looks for a bride a lot because he.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
Can see him. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
His outside receivers should be a lot bigger targets than
they are so he can see that, Like if he
had a Megatron sized wide receiver out there. Even if
per se he's not as good as maybe a receiver
that's a little bit shorter.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
Well, but that's what they're hoping that Martha Harrison Junior
will be come and I think he will, you know,
but it's like you took.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
I think there was flashes in games when he showed that.
But I also feel that he has to get comfortable
with him, you know. And like long routes down the
field also don't help, you know, because that's probably where
he some of those things down the middle of the field,
you know, twenty thirty yards down the field. He's got
(47:16):
trouble seeing over people, and you need to you need
to get him outside the pocket.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
And that's on coaching.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
You gotta have more swing tackles, you gotta have more
tight end protection, more motion, and and you got to
get him in more more lanes where he can see.
Speaker 5 (47:33):
And I think, yeah, I think they're I think the
biggest problem, especially with this new because their new coach
came from Philly, and so I think sometimes they try
to use him what they Philly uses.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Jaalen hurts, but he's not.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Murders had decide that jailing hurts this Jaellen hurt saying
as little as people think he is, I don't know,
he's not.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
I don't know why people think I have this misconception
that he's a little guy. There's a reason why that
that QB sneak works. Then he's a he's a little
he's not. He's not as as you know, He's not
this five ten guy. He's six feet plus. He might
be a lower six feet, but he also got some
weight to him.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
College.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
I think Landslide is the smallest quarterback in the NFL,
if I'm not mistaken, other than brace Shall.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
Yeah, I think him at burs Young might be the
same height. But I know Burce Young because it knock
on him. Is that he's skinny, Yeah, yeah, or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, Kylein definitely got got got some more weight on
him than he does. But their their Landslide smaller than everybody.
So to make that work, you gotta I mean, it's
gonna all come down the vision and if if they're
having trouble seeing over people, that's not gonna work. You're
gonna have to You're gonna have to work out some
(48:49):
more spacing or you're gonna have to get them to
one of the sides.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
You gotta just gotta utilize their legs a little bit
more and get them some easy passes. The timing will come,
and eventually I think they'll be more comfortable throwing the spots,
even maybe if they don't see them, but you got
you gotta build their confidence up. I feel like College
has been in the roller coaster and Price's trajectory is
(49:17):
looking good. But in the beginning it wasn't. But any
any other things you want to add in before we
wrap up?
Speaker 4 (49:26):
My brother, Now that that was?
Speaker 5 (49:29):
That was That was a great, great show. It is
now third or third show now, yeah, so yeah, let's
just keep it rolling now, Yeah, this is this is
it for now and then yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
Until next time.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
Likewise, my brother, well, this is Mike.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
You are from the Sports Show, so we'll be seeing
you weekly eventually, probably be popping up on your screen daily,
but we're guaranteeing weekly and you.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Yeah, before we get out of here, I just want
to let people know we're on Spotify now. Pretty soon
we'll be on all platforms that podcast is gonna be heard,
and we're also on YouTube, so like to subscribe there
too as.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Well, absolutely, and feel free to send your comments over
you see our X handles down there. If you ever
have any questions, any topics, anything specific you want to
ask us, let us know. If you ever want to
jump on a live stream, feel free to send out
an inbox. Not everybody's invited now, I'm just playing with you.
(50:34):
As long as you normal, we'll get you on here.
But y'all have a blast night Mike and it's gonna
sign out.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Talk to you right, peace, Yes, sir,
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