NBA Playoffs Round 1 Review/ Did Tom Brady cost Shedeur Sanders to fall?/ NFL Talk

We review the first round of the NBA Playoffs plus give our second round predictions. We also discuss did Tom Brady cause Shedeur Sanders to fall in the draft? Plus, we talk NFL and more..

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Right right, right right.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yes, sir, so, I guess because right now it's one
of the big topics. Will start off with the NBA playoffs.
I wanna get your thoughts. Will go series by series,
I guess because there's one still going in the first round.
Will kick that off with that. Actually a bro good series.
We got the Rockets in the war were still going

(01:03):
Game seven, which is gonna be let's check today today
at eight thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, we should be should be starting in a little while,
well three hours, yeah, uh Bob, I think it's again
before that. Uh. I think Indiana Cleveland's starting in about
a half hour, and.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
I think they it's over now.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Jumped up one nineteen eighteen, the paces advanced for one.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
About tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
I think Indiana's playing Cleveland in the.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Second Oh yeah, in the second round. Yeah, yeah, they
are in the second round. I ain't even I'm not
even right about the second round right now. I'm still
still in the frust row with a leaking situation. But
what is before we get to the second round matchups?
What what are your thoughts on what's gonna happen with
the Rockets and Warriors.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
I have no clue a metter surprise that it's even
going to a game seven the Warriors. They had a
three to one lead in that series and Houston just
won the last two. And even though Houston's the number
two seed, a lot of people are picking the Warriors
going in because the Warriors have got the experience stuff.

(02:20):
For Houston, they're one of these young, up and coming
teams that just kind of surprised everybody had a great year.
But a lot of people thought, because they're inexperienced going
against the Warriors team that's won poor championships, that the
wars is just gonna beat them. But Houston they've hung
in there, and now they're hunging there being down three one,

(02:43):
they're able to course a game seven. So I'm really
impressed by what they've been able to do.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah, I've definitely been really impressed.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I guess this could go two different ways if they
lose Game seven. I guess I've seen similar scenarios before
when James High was over there and the Warriors just
inevitably kind of just got it out at the end.
If in this I mean a few series in this
is what I'm saying, it could be just the changing
of the guards, because I would I would say, we'll

(03:14):
get into the rest of the series, someone will get
too far ahead. But I would say a lot of
the first round exits was a little bit of a surprise,
even when they you know, got down in the series.
I think a few of these teams people expected to
just you know, eventually get past the team. So I
guess I could see it going both ways, but I
would lean probably Warriors.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
As you know, Game seven.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, I mean I can see I can see it
going either way. I think the I can see the Warriors.
It wouldn't surprised me if the Warriors win, I'll put
it that way because of their experience. Yeah, back the
same time, but Houston they were the better team all
season long. I think the question is when you have
such a young team that they have are they ready
for you know, on time so to speak, you know,

(04:02):
like woul a woman be too big form? Or as
I said, sometimes one of the great things about being
young is you don't know what you don't know, so
you just go up there and play free.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
I think that's that's how Anthony Ewas plays in Minnesota.
Some of these kids is too young to give a
as to catch by drift. What I'm saying, it's like
they don't have a bunch of accolades. They don't care
what you did.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Well. For him, I think it's a little different, just
based off interviews I've seen him him. Yeah, that is
like he grew up adalyzing these guys. He idolized Lebron,
he idolized Kevin Durant.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
So I agree on that, pop and I just think
it's on the court. I don't think he kids too
much about that.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well. I was going to say, is that like you
he's talking about, Like since he idolized and grew up
watching these cats, you know, he takes pride in knocking
them out like he wants to knock him out, knock
him out the playoffs. So last year day he eliminated
KB Sons, that's what they eliminated. Uh, you know Lebron
the Lakers. So I mean he's a young kid trying

(05:06):
to you know, pay his wing and start his own legacy.
And what better way to do it than to knock
out you know, your idols.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, I would say, give me, give me your prediction
on who wins the Rockets Lakers, and then excuse me
on the Rockets and Warriors, and then we might as
well go right to the Lakers and Wolves and we'll
get into that.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Give me a winner.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
I'm want you. I think the Warriors are gonna win.
I'm gonna go with experience over over.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
You say, man, I think that's a good decision.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
You know.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
With that being.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Said, let's let's just get into it and get it
over with.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Man, the Lakers and Timberwolves.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Did it.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Was you surprised? Did you expect it? See it coming?
What would you say?

Speaker 3 (05:56):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
I'm not surprised that Minnesota won the series. I'm surprised
how Minnesota win the season. I thought that series for
sure was gonna go six or seven games. I did
not except Minnesota to beat him in just five games,
and then not only did they beat him in five,
games been all five games. Minnesota dominated the fourth quarter

(06:18):
in every single game.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
And we were talking about the off air. You know,
the one of.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
The Lakers' biggest issues all season, well not all seasons,
but after the Anthony Davis and Luca trade was that
they had no more big men, and that finally came
back to bite him in the ass.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Because you know, they let Rudy Go Bear.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Rudy gober is out there looking like Keem Olajua or
David Robinson or whoever whatever. All yeah, yeah, yeah, all
of a sudden, all of a sudden, Rudy gold Barr's
you know, getting you know, scoring like thirty points, getting
like twenty five rebounds. Yeah, hall of famer out there.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
He earned that one one series.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
So it took.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Un and then also too, but like not just Rudy
Go Bear, it's also like Julius Randall, the power forward
for Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
I think he's always been a little bit underrated though.
I like his game.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
He fights hot, Yeah, he plays hard. I'm a Knicks fan,
so I watched him when he played for the Knicks,
and sometimes you know, he when he's with the Knicks.
You know, one thing is Jeremmy crazy, and that's all.
I was kind of happy they traded him in Minnesota.
Was that every year in the playoffs he was coming
up small, but he came up big for Minnesota in

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this series. And I also too was also a perfect
matchup because they kept putting Austin Reeves on Julius Randall
when Austin Reeves was just too too small. But he
was just punking them all series long. We were just
talking about Anthony Edwards, like, you know, everybody keeps saying
he's gonna be the nixt Jordan. I don't know about

(07:58):
all that, but.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Jordan, the people just got to stop that he's gonna
be great one.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
You know what I'm saying, right, That's that's it.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
I mean, he's also if I was, I think he's
probably more similar to other players, Like a lot of
these players they compare to Jordan don't really have similarities
to Jordan's game. I mean, I guess I could see
if like the Kobe one, you could see a little
bit right, the Lebron was crazy.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Was crazy about Anthony Edwards?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Now?

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Was that like he was born I think like in
one O two, so he was even he was even
alive with Jordan play. Yeah, so let's see nless he's
watching like YouTube clips, He's probably not even seen Jordan player.
But yeah, people are saying he's gonna be the nixt Jordan.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, I mean they've they've said, obviously he's great, but
they've they've pinned that Jordan next Jordan on a lot
of people. Some of them, I feel like, maybe boosted
their careers a little bit. Some of them, like Harold
might not feel like you ended your careers like nobody's
gonna be baby Jordan. Nobody's gonna be the next Jordan.

(09:01):
You can be the next best player in the NBA, though,
I mean, settle for that.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
It's pretty good. Well, he I'll give him credit for
this though. He's he's put the Minnesota Timberwolves on the mat.
The Timberwolves have ever been this road then since KG
and that's going back twenty years.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
I mean, I think I think A.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Edwards is probably one of my top five favorite players
in the league. And you know that's not my team.
I do see and I want people to understand what
I what I just said, to make sure I clarify it.
I'm not saying nobody will ever be better than Michael Jordan.
I'm not a fortune teller. What I'm telling people is,

(09:41):
I mean, I think it's time for you to just
let someone be great. They don't got to be Jordan.
Why can't he just be end up being the best
player in the world. And he's Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I'm sorry, let him, Let him, Let him be the
best Anthony Edwards. You can be him, be the next Jordan.
Because we live in this I like to call ring culture,
where like we judge people based off of rings, how
many championships they won. And I really don't know when
this started because, like you know, I'm old enough to
remember watching guys like Dan Marino and all that, Jim Kelly,

(10:18):
and maybe because I was younger, still elementary school at
the time, but I don't remember people getting on Dan
Marino or Jim Kelly. Is not winning Super Bowls. We
just appreciate up with the greatness that they had and
recognize that, like football is a team sport and going
back to basketball is the same thing, like with Charles Barkley,
Patrick Ewing, Gary Payton, like we understand, like, okay, basketball

(10:40):
is a team sport. It doesn't matter how great you are,
It's a team around you isn't good enough, You're not
gonna win. But no, I just feel like in the
last decade or so, we emphasize like ring culture and
so like when people talking about the next Jordan, not
only just to be as great as Jordan, but the
people expect you to win. You no civil rings, there's

(11:02):
no guarantee you go will one.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, and then and then here's the is the the
absolute truth to the matter. Even and now, for example,
Lebron James didn't get that amount of rings, right, but
he's done things Michael Jordan hasn't done. He owns probably
more records than Jordan at this point, I almost can

(11:26):
guarantee it right and say, I think it was like
maybe nine ten championships he went to in a row.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
The truth is, even if you want eight of them,
there'd still be a lot of people that would forget
about that ring argument and say he's not as good
as Jordan. They just use that argument when it's convenient
for their conversation, when it when it's convenient to prove
a point that they're trying to make. They use it
because I look at it like this when comparing players,

(11:58):
and I'll give you an example that they gradually forget.
Robert already got more rings than Jordan, right, is he
to go?

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, Robert orry got seven rings, but he just but
they don't talk about him because he just they look
at him as a guy that was on great teams.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
What about Bill Russell?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
I seemed, now this is a totally different conversation.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
No, but I'll just go I'll just go no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
I agree with you. I feel like Bill Russell's great.
But I feel like another problem that we have is that,
for whatever reason, we don't respect our ancestors or respect
the people in the past. So like, because Bill Russell
played in the sixties, it's kind of like, oh, that
shit don't count. No, No, I think I think even

(12:46):
the J. J. Reddick, what's about a year or two ago,
it's like, oh, yeah, back in the sixties, all those
guys played against like plumbers.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
And and I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that
that points on that book. What I would ask them, though,
is if your argument is rings, this is the argument,
ain't you moving the bow when you say that?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah? Because Bill Russell had a living.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yep, and Robert already has more than him.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
So if you got to use the word but.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
There goes the gold Post, right, So it's not really
about rings. It's only about rings when it's convenient for
their conversation.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Well exactly, because we're seeing the same thing now in football.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
With Patrick Mahomes. So Patrick Mahomes was in the goat conversation,
but now after they lost the Super Bowl this year,
people start to take them out of it because it's like, oh, well,
Patrick Mahomes already lost to super Bowls and Tom Briggy
at the same point in his career didn't lose any
so how can he be better than Tom Briggy.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Then you can't be the good Yeah. And at the
same time, those.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Like even though Tom Brady's won seven, if you want
to use the goat conversation, will you know Joe Montana,
Terry brand saw Troy they never lost any super Bowls. Yeah,
So I mean it's kind of moving.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, And that's the same thing I was gonna say
with with the gold Post movement, right, because you nailed
it on the money.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
When it comes to the NFL.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
With and not knocking Tom Brady, remember m in Massachusetts,
I do vote and he's the goat. So that's and
that's being a Rams stand. And he took Super Bowls
from us. That's saying a lot, right right. The thing
is this, when it comes to him, the win pop
matters the lost stone, right, he just has more than them.

(14:38):
When it comes to Jordan, it's he never lost any
same thing with you see how the bo's moving.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
It's like, look it.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
When it comes to certain people in basketball, they're gonna say,
the fact that he never lost the finals is why
those six is like super part. He never lost on
the big game, even though he lost another nine times
before he got there. Give a take, right, right, it
doesn't matter because those six times he went, he didn't.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Lose that you go ahead, my bed, No, no go ahead.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
And I was gonna say it goes back to again
like the goal post movement, because like my analogy with
football was okay, yeah, Tom Brady has so for basketball,
they're saying that Jordan's six outweighs Bill Russell's eleven because
he never lost. Yeah, but based on that same argument,
you know, Terry Bradshaw Joe Montana therefore should outrag Tom

(15:38):
Brady seven because those two never lost.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
But it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
But we don't. We don't put Terry Bradshaw or Joe
Montana or even Troy Aikman for that matter. We don't
put them in the goat conversation even though they never
lost super Bowls.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, it's that's why I said. It's like it's a
it's a forever evolving goal post. Where does it suit
the topic today? Maybe not tomorrow. I'll move it again
next week. But my thing is this when it comes
to like judging players and stuff, and I'm not gonna
say that I would, you know, take someone and put

(16:13):
them at number one when they never sniffed the Super
Bowl or something like that, because remember, it's a team game.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
If I'm comparing one v one, forget the team, forget
the Super Bowls. Right, one man has never won any
championship unless it was like boxing in the Olympics. You
don't win a team sport by yourself. Right.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
But if I was gonna take.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Just say, for example, a Robert Ry who has seven
rings might even be more. I believe it's seven at least,
but it's a lot, right, I know you won three
with the Lakers Rocket Spurs.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah, all over the place.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
But put it like this, if you took Robert Ari
and then you took Tracy McGrady, please explain to me
how Robert Ali is better than him because he has
seven rings.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
I wait, you can he's not.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
And also too, going back to football, because I've seen
this debate recently, and that is between Eli Manning and
Tony Romo. Like if you look at their stats, their
stats are very similar. But Eli mann is probably gonna
go to the Hall of Fame because he has those
two super Bowls. Well, Tony Romo, I think maybe only one,

(17:36):
like one playoff game in his career. He didn't win
any super Bowls. He might be he was the same,
but one has one super bowls the other one did
he So because of that, one's going to go to
the Hall of Fame, the other one's not.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
They'll both go to the Hall of Fame. One would
just be a Hall of Fame analyst. Yeah, woe would
be in there for actual football. But before we get
too much into the football, I want to ask you
about a couple more series. I don't got nothing to
say about that Lakers situation because I'm frustrated. I'm gonna

(18:10):
just wait till next year. You got any last words
you want to you want to speak on the Lakers
before we go for.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Well, okay, so on the Lakers because you're a liquor fan.
But what do you think they need to do this offseason?
Because I think they got exposed by Minnesota not only
their size, but then also too We're starting to see
why Dallas might have traded Luca because defensively, he's just
a liability like Anthony speaking of Anthony Edwards or Anthony

(18:38):
Edwards went after.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Luca like Luca could not guard him at all.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
And we saw the same thing in the NBA Finals
last year where Boston they decided like, we're just gonna
attack Luca because we know he can't play defense, and
so whoever whoever Luca's guarding, that person's gonna go off
for tonight. And so go ahead, go ahead. I was
gonna say that, what do you think the Lakers should do?
Like not only do these size, but if they're gonna

(19:06):
build this team around Luca, what do you think they're
gonna do? Because Lucas really just a one way player.
So you did that offense, you can't you can't do
anything for you.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Defensively well as far as that, I don't know if
there's any change in that. I think you kind of
got to take the good with the bad. That's kind
of what you got there.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
You do.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
And I'm not saying I've seen the signs. I'm you know,
one of those people that's getting into his workout regiments
or anything.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
But maybe you get him.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
In a little bit better shape, maybe you know, a
little bit more speed and stuff comes out of him.
But I think their whole problem is going to come
down the size. Like brown shouldn't be in the paint.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
They need definitely need a big at least a ten
in ten guy. You don't need to get a guy
that drops thirty, but you at least need a ten
and ten. And personally, man, look it, I know Lakers
fans is not gonna like that I say this.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
I'm not a Reeves guy.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
I'm just not.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
I mean when you, I mean you you when you
when you.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Take don't don't say that out here in l A man,
people will not like it.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
He's very popular over here.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Yeah, I know, And that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Sometimes people confuse popularity like remember Lyns sanity.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, yeah, fall for it if you want.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
I mean, but he had good he had a good
two months.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, but and Reeves had longer than that, and he
is a good player, not worth what he got paid.
Excuse let me take that back. I don't want to
get into people's money. You're worth whatever they paid you.
And the NBA gives up ridiculous contracts, right, yeah, I
would use that money.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Else, right, preferably you know you get is the thing.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Say you take a guy like Anthony Edwards or somebody
that's dominant with the ball, and he's down the court
and he's looking at Luca and Austin Reeves, he's laughing.
I promise you he knows he could go right to
the rack, easy money. He knows if he wants to shoot,

(21:14):
he's going over. You got Like, it's just not he
got he I feel like he got that contract off
a very good playoff run. But in the in the
longevity of things, contracts like that is why you get
stuck in the mud. It just is what it is.

(21:34):
So that's just my personal opinion. Like I said, I
know a lot of people love him, They're gonna hate
that tape. But if you think Anthony Edwards or one
of these guys coming down with the ball and they
see those two guys in the front of the court
that have any worries whatsoever, You're crazy. They're looking at
about sixty million dollars worth of food. Yeah, that's what

(21:56):
they're looking at, looking like should I shoot, Should I
spin on him? Should I just bully him? Should I
dunk on him? That's what they're thinking about.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Now.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
The fact that you don't got a rim protector behind that,
there's the problem.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
So you got well, another problem to the Lakers have
is that, uh, they're gonna have to hit on free
agency because they they have no jackpions.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
This is I know, this is this is why I
would have picked. I'd be picking and choosing wise, they
why I spend my money because I don't got no
young talent coming in, right. So the thing is you
just figuratively speaking, and I know they didn't have Luca
when they gave out that contract, so that obviously could

(22:47):
factor into things, right, But when you got Luca bron
and that's that's your core like right now going forward.
Last year obviously is irrelevant because they got him halfway
through the season, but you need defense. Rim protection, rebounds,

(23:09):
that's what you need. So if Luca is having a
problem covering somebody, you better make sure the god that's
beside him can cover them or at least his one
of his best things, best qualities needs to be defense,
probably with three points shooting on top of it, because
lucas having trouble guarding. Great, we're all worldly player, one
of the best in the world, no questions there. Defense

(23:31):
not so much, right, followed by another god that defense
not so much, followed by no rim protection and no rebounds.
Like Bron's killing himself out there, you've seen it at
the end of the series.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Well he and knowledge that. But Lebron at his age,
he can't play defense to the high level.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Shouldn't be doing it. Shouldn't the fact that he could
do as much as he's doing. Salute to him.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Man. Yeah, that's well for starters. I think the Lakers
they kind of shut themselves from the foot because this
year they decided to go with the l A Rams
model of FDN pigs and we're just gonna push all
our chips at the table and we're going we're going forth.
This year it worked for the Rams because the Rams,

(24:18):
when the super Bowl Lakers got knocked down the first round.
So it's like you mortgage your whole entire future for nothing.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, when you mortgage it, you got to make sure
you win it.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
That's yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Unless unless, I mean unless that move was giving up
on Bron and I wouldn't want this to be the case.
But unless with giving up on Bron and moving forward
knowing you have Luca as your main start going forward
and not caring about the immediate future or that right now,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it kind of just
you'd have to be in the mind of Pelinka. But

(24:52):
I'll get off of the Lakers because I feel like
I'm ranting and they kissing me to f off. But
we'll get through. The other couple of sais, What did
you think this one was? A was a clean sweeper,
surprising the Grizzlies couldn't get won.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
What did you think about the thunder and the Grizzlies.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Again, I'm not surprised that it was a sweep because
Oklahoma City has been the best team in the NBA
all season long. I was just surprised how dominant they
were like they were. I think one game they beat
Memphis by fifty. Yeah, that was a game they beat
Memphis by like forty. Like it was like it's kind
of like Oklahoma City was the varsity and Memphis was JB.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Thunder is kind of right now, what I expected when
John Morant went to the Grizzlies, probably like into his
first season. The Thunder right now, what I thought the
Grizzlies would be, Like, they just hasn't.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
Hasn't hand out, It.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Hasn't pandemics too. I don't know speaking of it, I
don't know what they're doing. I don't understand and what
we're talking about, the same thing to a Denver, but
I don't know. I understand how you fire your coach
like two weeks before the playoffs start, and because.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Some of these teams setting there their teams up for disaster.
I heard even rumors that they might be interested in
trading John Morant.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
I guess we're just there.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
They're just one of those teams that looked like they
was going up and now they just look like they
floated off to no man's land.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, I will say this, so every time I watch
Oklahoma City, I just feel bad for, uh, the city
of Seattle, because.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
That should be the Sonics right now. Not not the
Oklahoma City Thunder Sonics one of the best franchise. I actually,
as a kid, I'll be honest with you, that was
my favorite team growing up. Sean Kemp, Gary Payton, the
Glove rain Maker I was.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
I grew up.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
I was a Sonics fan all the way to they
became the Thunder and I jumped off that boat said
I've passed.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah. I wasn't a Sun expand, but I enjoyed watching
the the GP and Sean camp as kid. As a kid,
and I remember in ninety six when they played the Bulls,
I was, I.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Was horror for the Sun broke my heart.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Man, that was like, Yo, my boys finally got there broke.
I mean, that's why when people bring up Jordan's Jordan,
it's like, bro I witnessed his greatness and him just
snatched trophies away from people.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Exactly. Man, people don't understand, like you talk about the
decade of the nineties. People don't understand you don't have
many Hall of Famers don't have rings because they couldn't
beat Jordan.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, I mean Jordan's Jordan wasn't when he was I
seen you know the this some of these things people
forget about, so I make sure I dress it. Man,
I've seen the pistons beat the ship out of him
for a while or two before anything happened. Good fan,
But when when it was his time, he was damned down.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Stop.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
But and if he didn't go to baseball, I'll do that.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Had like about eight rings minum one seven eight y Houston.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Houston won the two when he was playing baseball.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not, Uh I was. I wasn't born
yet when the bull when the pistons a whooping his ass,
but for sure we took him back. Maybe I was born,
but I was just like a baby I was.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
I'll be honest with you, I might have been. I
was so young.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
My uncle used to be so much into it, used
to have like the VHS tapes and like I just
when I was young, he used to always have on
the Bad Boys versus Jordan's like series. I might have
just been watching the same series over and over. But
I see, I've seen them destroying him when I was younger.
I have real vague memories in my head about that.

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And then obviously I caught up on a bunch of
clips growing up. Once I grew up.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, I think Phil Jackson imprimitted the triangle offense just
so the Pistons couldn't whoop his ass anymore. Yep.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
And then he brought it to the Lakers with him
and got Shaq and Kobe there and a few of
them getting past.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
So the Thunder you had, you had no surprises there.
I thought.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I thought maybe a four to two series, possibly four
to one. I figured Thunder would win. Didn't figure they'd
win the way.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
That they did.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
That that one blowout. I never watched the game in
that series. Again, I knew what time it was.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I'm not surprised that
the Thunder one. I was just surprised that they dominated
the way they did. Like it was it was like
watching the team from the hood play against a bunch
of Catholic school kids. But it just was no no competition.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
This this the next one. Yeah, you you're right that
there was no competition. The next one. One of the
better series in the first round, the Nuggets and Clippers.
The Nuggets gutted it out for three that I would
say was probably outside of the Warriors series, definitely probably
the best series in Round one. What did you think

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about it in any surprises.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Uh, no surprises. I agree with you. I think it
was the two evening match teams. I think the game
Game seven was a surprise because I was expecting Denver
to blow him out. But we were talking about Memphis earlier.
Denver is the same situation, seeing how good that team is.
I don't understand how you fired the coach like a

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week before the playoffs started. Like their coach right now,
he just doctor he he's coached more playoff games than
he did in the regular season, and so I mean,
we still know the full story. But unless that coach
was fucking Stan Cronki's wife or something, I don't understand
how you how you fired him a week before the playoffs?

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Know about the Rams, bro, you know what happened. So
what do you say about Stafford?

Speaker 1 (30:50):
You got? You gotta love all the teams I own.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Yeah, yeah, Stan Kronky is a good guy.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Something had happened them to I doubt he was the
one at even.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Make a decision.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, well, probably made the decision, but I doubt it
was something that he just popped in his mind, He's
gonna fire him. Someone had to have brought that to
his attention.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Something I'm assuming because like Denver obviously, I mean Denver
won the championship two years ago and obviously they have
a squad to win it again this year. So it
just blows my mind that you make that decision right
before the playoffs start. My guess i'd be like, i'd
be like firing.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Sean McVay, like a week before the playoffs start.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, I would say it typically wouldn't happen on the
regular day. I would say, if I had to take
a guess, one of the players as somebody went and
said they can't, they can't, they can't be him no more.
And it probably was a player they knew that say
to say, for example, if it's joke by anything like that,

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we'll coach ourselves.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
We don't care. I can't do it. It's either him
or me.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
So there's I feel like one of those type of
situations had to occur.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
But stuff, do you think they because normally you just
wait until after the season, So do you think they
did it before the playoffs started? Because the last thing
they want is for them to you know, mess around
win another championship, and it's like, Okay, now we're stuck
with this guy, no win a championship.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
That I mean, I guess I vague memory of that
might have happened teams and ways with Super Bowl winning
coaches or NBA.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
The only the only one I know, the only one
that I can I know happening off the top of
my head, is the Dallas Cowboys. They fired uh, Jimmy
Johnson after winning practice back Super Bowls, and the Cowboys
haven't been the same since.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
That was a dumb decision.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, thirty years later, people staying in a dumb.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Decision still a dumb decision then.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
And I was a little kid, and I was smart
enough to know that it was a dumb decision.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, but Dallas, Dallas hasn't even stipped the Super Bowl system.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, I guess that could be part of it. But
I would say more likely somebody wasn't willing to spend
one more day with that guy. I don't know who
it was. Maybe he said something to somebody's wife, Maybe
there was something they felt was gonna come out, maybe

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a deeper background check. Maybe you know, I'm just I'm
just throwing things out here, but I feel like a
player complaining, uh, you know, unacceptable text or argument you
know what I'm saying. Just feel like it had to
be something where they felt that they couldn't go one

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more day, you know, so that that would be my guest.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
But who knows.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Maybe he said fire me, I don't want to be here. No,
that's also another option, like I'm not showing up tomorrow,
so just can me.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah. I just thought the whole situation was weird.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, and the scene when.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Winning the first round and see how good that team is, Like,
why would you hurt you know, potentially a championship level
squad by firing their coach so close to the playoffs.
And if they if they made this move like in
the middle of the season, that's one thing, but to
do it like right before the playoffs start, it was
only like two games up in the season they fired him.

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I just thought that was crazy.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, I mean, and then realistically with that team that
I would say, they still got a chance to win
the finals. But Murray has to play better like the
year that they won. It's one of the reasons is
because of him. Yeah, he just he just hasn't looked
the same.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
I am in him and Michael Porter too, I'm.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Not really I mean, he's a good player, but I
don't think he's gonna make them win a lose. He
does got to hit his shots, you know, like the
year they won the championship, but he played, Yeah, he
played his ass off. Yeah for sure. I'm just saying
right now, I think if Murray is on go and
he's playing at one hundred percent or to the best

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of his abilities, did they have just as good as
chances anybody to win. They might honestly need maybe be
the favorite right now if Murray was on fully.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
We'll see because they're playing uh, Oklahoma City next, and
like I said, Oklahoma City has been the best team
all year. Ye.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, we're going to get into that prediction two in
the second. But definitely I want to definitely want to
touch on that. So I guess we'll we'll leave the
Nuggets and Clippers there. We kind of knew it was
gonna happen. Sounds like we're both on the same page
this series. Not really much to talk about. The Cavaliers
obliterated the heat anything you want to touch there for

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clean sweet ROMs out.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Now that the conference pretty much with the way that
you expect, you know, the top four seeds all events.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yes, some of the those teams don't even look like
they're trying. And I hate to question that because I
know that they are. Could just be bad play, design,
bad coaching, whatever's going on. But some of those in
some of those teams don't really have enough to compete
right now.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
So I mean some of the the.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Well, when it comes to the Eastern Conference, it's pretty
much who's going to be able to beat Boston because
I know Uklahoma City has been the best team record
wise all year. Yeah, but just by watching the games,
I mean Boston that won it last year and the
way they're playing right now, it wasn't surprised me if

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they went back to back and winning again this year
that that team is just that good. I think what
it was the regular season that maybe they were just
bored and just going through the motions. But from what
I've seen in the first round, to me, they look
at the they might win it all again. And right
now they got New York coming up and the Knicks

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haven't beat them in like two years or something like that,
So I don't know. That's when we're at work. And
then uh, Cleveland and Indiana, I mean it's I really
don't see many of those teams being in Boston either.
So to me, the Eastern Conference is all about Boston
and who can give Boston a tough series or tough matchup.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, I mean you're dead right because the other I mean,
the rest of the series, we could kind of just
brush through the paces that upset the Bucks. For one,
I would say, well, I don't even say upset, but
that that was a little surprising.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
One because Indiana. Indiana was the higher receive. But I
think from Milwaukee, the question for them is where do
they go because we talked about dumb decision to fire
their coach.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Milwaukee they fired their coach.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
They won the championship I think in twenty one, and
then they fired their coach I think in twenty two
because they didn't go back to back and that's proven
to be a dumb decision because Milwaukee as has been
the same since they fired their coach. Yeah, so now
it's kind of like, you know, and that's the since

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I questioned some of these owners, like what are you thinking, Like,
you're not going to win it every year, so just
because you feel you want it one year and then
the next year you fail to win it, So you
decide like, Okay, I gotta fire the coach because we
need another coach to take us over the top. But
since firing that coach, you you just been going down hill,
just getting worse. And so I don't understand what these

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owners be thinking. Sometimes some of these are firing these coaches.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Some of these owners are probably just more about money.
The only other two matchup, Celtics go off the next
It kind of got your topic or that that sounds
like they're your favorite, and then so what touch on
the next and Pistons.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Any surprises there.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
As a Knicks fan that that that series kind of uh,
you know, kind of man you nervous because every game
was close. I'm not surprised that the nick one, but
Detroit to kind in the same situation as we're talking
about earlier with the Houston though they were a young,
up and coming team. I was very impressed from what

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I've seen, what I saw for them in that series
and what I saw for them during the regular season.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
And it's hard to believe that last year they were
the worst team in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
They only won fourteen games. This year they make the playoffs.
So that's a team that's only going to the team
to get better, and I think their team to watch
out for in the in the future. It wouldn't surprise
me if in the next three to five years we
see the Pissions in the holding up their trophy.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
That wouldn't I mean, I wouldn't be surprised either. So
we got three series that are about to kick off,
one that actually just kicked off. I just want to
get your quick predictions on who you think will win
the three that are already confirmed, and then we'll get
to some other topics and discussions. So we got first,
we got the Thunder and the Nuggets. Where are you

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going now and what would you say your key matchups
to look out for.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
I'm going Thunder. I expect to be a tougher matchup
than it was against the Grizzlies. I can see the
Thunder winning maybe like six games. Your teach are still
the best player in the league in my opinion, and
he's gonna be the best player on the floor. But
for Denver, I think it goes back to what you

(40:28):
were saying earlier about Jamal Murray. If he has to
step up. If he doesn't, then it's gonna be a
short series.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, my guests would be that's a tough one, alright.
So I'm leaning towards the Thunder. I just I just
think they got the right players that are gonna be
to unstopable. But I would say, if like like we

(41:02):
were talking about earlier, if Murray is on, I take
the Nuggets.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
So I guess what I would watch. Really, I watched
Game one.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
If Murray shows up and they win Game one, I
think it's gonna be a tough series for the Thunder.
If Murray doesn't show up how they need him game
one and the Thunder win, we could be honestly looking
like a four to one, four to two Thunder might
just walk them. That's probably why I'm leaning right now.

(41:32):
I think it all comes down to Game one, and
I think jam also too.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
I think the Russell Westbrook fact will be interesting too,
because Russell Westbrook place for Denver now.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
But it'll be interesting to see how he does against
his former team, what he tried to do extra just
to get back at him, and also to how with
the fans of receiving when you get booed or well,
you know, the Oklahoma City fans show him some love.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't honestly don't expect
him to do anything game changing in the series. What
my most I would say that the thing that I
would guarantee in this series, the one thing I would
guarantee is that SGA goes nuts. That's probably the one

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thing I would guarantee. So if Murray can do close
to what he does, YO kids will win this series. Yeah,
if Murray can't, SGA is gonna run away, that would
be kind of what what I'm looking there. And I mean,

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if Murray don't show up, even if your kids dropping
fifty batages, they ain't gonna It's just it's not gonna happen.
That's that would be my guess. So I'm leaning towards
the Thunder. But if the Nuggets come out and Murray
comes out looking like a Riga in Game one, we'll
we'll we'll rethink this next time online.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
But I'm gonna agree with you. I'll go thunder right now.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
The paces that are in the first quarter with the Cavs,
they're up twenty three to twenty one.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Forget the game. Who are you going with in the series?

Speaker 1 (43:22):
This is this one's means tricky because I know Cleveland
has the best working in the East. But Indiana, they're
in the Eastern Conference Finals last year, so I don't
think they're I don't think the moments could be too
big for them. I don't think they're scared of Cleveland.
As you said, they're winning right now. I'm just gonna
go with Cleveland because they have the home court. But

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I wouldn't be surprised Indiana Wednesday series.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
I'll be honest with you, I don't really care about
that one two seed bullshit. I'm gonna go with the
Paces in this series. That's that's just how I feel.
I think sometimes these teams spend too much the g
in the regular season for that one seed and that
three four seed is just sitting waiting that you know,

(44:06):
hit you with that Buckshot lariat. So that's that's how
I feel about that. I'm gonna go with the Paces.
Knicks and Celtics, this is your team, right.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah, I'm a Knicks fan, but I gotta be realistic.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I don't I don't see them being Boston, like I said,
they haven't been Boston in the regular season in almost
two years. And I mean, unless the playoffs is gonna
be different, which I don't see happening. I feel like
the old way the Knicks have a chance is if
Jillen Brunton just goes off, but Boston they're there. They're
Boston's too, will bounce. Like we've seen the Celtics where

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both Jason Tatum and Jilen Brown can have bad games,
they still they still win because their team is just
so loaded.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
I think they got they got good coaching. They got
real good coaching over there. They also they play defense.
That's that's one thing about the Celtics. I think a
lot of these teams just don't do. I mean, if
you if you're not gonna play good on offense, you
got to play great on defense.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
And the Celtics win a lot of games like that.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, you go give a shout out to to Joe Missoula,
the Celtics coach, because he's the neverest coach in the NBA.
But he has some boys playing.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
That's that's yeah. So I mean this coaching.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
When I was younger, I don't think I've seen the
value as coaching in the value in coaching as much
as I do now. Some of these teams are loaded
and they just they just look lost out there. So
that's that's definitely I would say that's how I'm coaching.
Your players shouldn't be lost.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Well, I have a theory though about coaches like Joe
Missoula and then in the NFL with Sean McVay, these
younger coaches will have success, But in my theory has
always been I think the reason why, and I think
more teams should give younger coaches a chance. But I
think the reason why Joe Missoula and they have success

(45:58):
and yes they're great coaching, but also think to the
fact that they're still in their thirties. It could communicate,
It helps them. It helps them communicate with these younger
players a lot better because it's like because like some
of these players are in their twenties, ten years older
than they are. Yeah, so it's a lot easier to
communicate than having somebody's like in their fifties or sixties.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
I guess you could just just sum it up in
in real simple terms when you're when you're a young
kid coming out of college and just say you're into
hip hop or you know young you know, even like
young rock, like you know, the younger, younger generation of music,
whether it's rock, country.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Now with Shahboozi when it out there. But like I guess.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
It's when you go in there and the coach doesn't
know like a shaboozi or doesn't know who you know,
young thug.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Or whoever you listen to, is.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
It already has a communication error because there's a generational
gap there that's going to be hard to feel in
when you when you go in then you kind of
buy the same sneakers and use at least familiar with
the same music, might like the same movies, TV shows,
shop at the same places. I do feel like there

(47:13):
is like a better presence when you're communicating to these
dudes because you're more like them versus like your grandfather
coming in the room and saying, hey, guys, put the
headphones down.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
You can't listen to rap music. Know doing this.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
You can't drive your cars to work. You gotta all
take the same bus, you know what I'm saying. So
there's there's definitely a generational gap with some of these
coaches where the younger guy could get the more out
of certain players, not all of them a certain place.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to disispecting the older coaches. Obviously,
the older coaches are still doing their thing both Yeah,
I'm not, yeah, but I just I just think that
the reason why, you know, like, uh, these thirty something
year old coaches are having successes because I just theys
been like they can not only communicate better with the

(48:03):
younger players, but then also to relate to them because
there's this there's a difference between being you know, five
to ten years older than your players compared to somebody
that's like thirty or forty years older than their players.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
But don't don't get it twisted, because Pete Carroll's pretty
hip now.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Oh yeah, so even though Andy.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Reid, yeah, same thing. So it doesn't apply to all
of them.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
I mean, we just it kind of applies to those
more tough, straight edge ones that are not kind of
not willing to understand where you're coming from, chick, I mean,
it is what it is. Looks like he's adjusted now
with his with his new fiance.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Oh yeah yeah if.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
The rap music now, he's definitely at least listened to
Taylor Swift, so he probably knows a little bit of
this new music nowadays.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Shutout to I still shut out still is ah. I
was laughing too because somebody posted on on X the
other day, a boy how his girlfriend wasn't even if
Fionce wasn't even born when when they're first super Bowl
back in old one.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, it's crazy. Say I won't say that I would
do that. I will say I know that there's there's
a lot of old men that have young women and
technically it's legal.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Well, I'll say I'll say this though I know you
said you wouldn't do it. In me personally, I'm with you.
But it's hard though when you're like, you know, seventy
years old, I mean, rather date? Would you rather did
it another seventy year old?

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Or I'm not not saying that.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
My thing is this, Like I said, I know that
there's technically it's it's legal. What I'm saying, So, yeah,
dive on them and say outrageous stuff that the people
say on line. I'm not here for that. But what
I mean is when you have that type of both
and stuff. I mean, for example, j Lo's what fifty No,

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just she looks better than your girl. So you're saying
that you can't find somebody a little closer to your age.
That's that's just my thing. Like I mean, thirty five
thirty forty.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yeah, because I mean, like his fiance is like older,
is younger than his kids.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
This, This is what I mean. It just comes like
and I'll tell you like this. The reason why I
say that I have a my daughter is I wouldn't
date somebody even remotely close to my daughter's age. They
gotta at least be a certain gap there, right, right,
he's dating someone think a few months younger than my daughter.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
So yeah, and now his granddaughter. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
So I'm not one of those people that's gonna say, wow,
he's doing something wrong.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
He needs to get out. Listen, you happy, you're happy.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I'm just saying I wouldn't do it, But I get
off of that. I don't want anybody clipping that sticking
out what coming for Bill, because you know they've turned
that into looking like something crazy. So I want to
ask you just a few brief questions and then we'll
get into some a.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Little bit a little bit more lengthier topics.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Quick.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
We got a couple of rams questions. What are you
thinking about the Kien Williams contract. Do you think that,
do you think he signs one? Do you think he
stays with us? Or do you think he's out the
door if he a trade this year or free agency
next year.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
No, I think I think he stays on the team
this year. But I think this is his last year.
I think they just let him walking through the agency.
They drafted Blake Korm last year. Uh, they pretty much
do the same thing so they won't miss anything. And then,
as we were talking about off air, I think the
Rams are kind of have PTSD when it comes to
running backs because what happened with Todd Grilly. You know,

(51:54):
they they they gave Tom Tod Grilly a new contract
actually the same year they signed they we signed Jared Goff.
They did Tod Grilly at the same time, and it
just didn't work out. Yeah, And unfortunately for Tall Girley,
just the injuries caught up to him.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
He was never the same. And I think the Rams
still have PTSD.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
I think they'd rather let a running back go early
and just replace them they resigning them.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Yeah, I would agree.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Unfortunately for Tall Girley.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
He didn't even make it to thirty. I think he retired.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
I don't even think he's now. He might not even
be thirty right now. Bro, he might be right now, But.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
I would say I don't see Kymer Wims signing the contract,
I think that he would have already did it.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
I wouldn't have been shocked.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
I kind of seen maybe he was going to get
trade around the draft, traded around the draft. If they
got the running back they wanted, they they got someone
who can do similar stuff as him, and then then
they got a speedback this year that I think might
even have a little bit more power than Kiren and Korum.

(53:07):
So I just don't don't see Karen getting a getting
a big contract, which he probably wants. I would say that,
and this is just spitballlling. I think Kyen Williams could
have been available had somebody offered the right price during
the draft, like just say, figuravely speaking, if it wasn't

(53:30):
a loaded draft for running backs, somebody offered a third
fourth roundup, I think they might have thought about it
at least it, maybe even took it. Due to the
fact that I look at it like they're probably playing
it next year, he walks out the door. You know,
Sneed loves that compository picks. He loves to play that game.
So if somebody even gives Kyen eight nine million dollars

(53:54):
a year and I'm not saying that he will. They're
probably factoring somewhere third round, fourth round compensatory pick, so
I think that would be their game plan. And I
think if someone would have offered it this year, I
think they might have potentially just get said kiring off
this year during the draft. I just don't see a
contract coming, so i'd agree with you on that. Do

(54:16):
you have anything else you want to add in on
Kiren like any of the other backs?

Speaker 1 (54:21):
No, I mean, like I said, I just don't see
them resigning him, so they'll either trade him before training camp,
or if he's still there at training camp, then I
think he plays off this last year of his contract
and then they let him go. Or if somebody, let's
say bring it Back, gets hurt either during training camp
or during the course.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Of the season, then I can see him getting traded
at that point.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Especially if Rogers and Corn both come out looking good.
I could I could see him a trade candidate before
the trade.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, yeah, it all depends on what happens see in
the preseason, I think, yeah, I'd agree.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I guess I have one of the rams question that
we've been into some other stuff. Well, I know, we
know the Rams make calls on both of these guys,
two different situations.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
I want to know who you would want the Rams
the trade for.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
If one trade is made, I'm gonna tell you the
two people that I've just thrown a couple of things
at it before you let me know what you're thinking.
So we have Jaya Alexander, who it looks like the
package are willing to shop. They wanted to wait till
after the draft. You know, Rams made a call. We'll
see how that goes. The Ramsey news is everywhere. We

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don't need to touch on that. The two things I
do want to say, a trade for Ramsey obviously probably
be a late round pick. He is up there in age.
It'd be more of a one year deal. Doesn't mean
you won't restructure and keep them the next couple of years.
But nothing after this year is pretty much guaranteed. It's

(55:59):
so there's nothing guaranteed with Ramsey past this year. So
I don't think once again it when it shouldn't be
a high pick. And it's also out there that the
Dolphins are gonna have to eat some of that contract.
Just say at least twenty percent of it, right, That
would be one side of the point. The next side
of the coin would be in Ramsey don't have any

(56:21):
injury concerned history other than age. Right then we got
Jaya Alexander young a little bit of injury concern. If
you make this trade, is definitely gonna be a higher
draft pick they're gonna want. He's younger. He's also probably
gonna want a new contract, probably be at least say

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top seven to eight in the league. Probably some way.
It might not more of I'm just throw something out
there roughly, So Alexander would probably cost more money wise
and pick wise, but you'd we'd have him longer, say
we re signed him for three to four years whatever.
So out of the two options, where are you aiming?

(57:09):
I mean, which one do you think makes us better?
And send us ouf your reasoning.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
I would prefer JayR Alexander or because he's younger. And
now that's the only reason I don't see green Bay
trading him to the Rams. I think more likely if
Green Bay was to make that move and trade him,
it'll be to an AFC team. I don't see them
trading them to an NFC team. Jalen Ramsey I think

(57:40):
makes sense only because we know him.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
He knows the organization, he knows the coaching staff obviously,
so you.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Know that that would work. But yeah, if I had
to choose between one of them, I'll choose Alexander or
because he's younger.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I love Ramsey. I think Ramsey
inevitably is on the RAMS, probably at least by June second,
if you don't see that announcement earlier and just it
announced as it's going to go down officially on June
first or second, because I'm pretty sure they can make

(58:19):
the trade now, like with Jared golf in a couple
of circumstances, make their trade now, but it doesn't officially
go through till after the first, which is one of
the Dolphins.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
I believe maybe can save a little bit of money.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
If I was gonna do the trade personally, I guess
there's two things. That comes down to how healthy is
Alexander right now? Because if he's healthy and you bring
him in for a lookout and he looks like he's
at top shape, I'd probably make the trade for him
if the package would do it for this simple fact

(58:54):
age and you have him for now and later he
I mean, at least he got five more years and right,
So I would do that versus I don't think the
Ramsey move would be anything more than this year unless
he completely balls out and is willing to restructure next

(59:16):
year and take a discount, which he made. He might
he made us stay in LA, so that's that's an option.
But I would just see Ramsey more as a one
year thing. Alexander, I would see as like now in
the future, So I would probably as much as I
love Ramsey, you know that's bro, I probably would leave
your way as well.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Yeah, and I agree with you too on both fronts.
And I just think realistically, I think Ramsey is probably
more likely to happen. I just feel that, you know,
green Bate's not going to trade him within the conference. Yeah,
I see the movement on AFC unless it's just a
situation where.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
You don't think the trade's gonna come back to bite you.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
That's kind of like kind of like Jared Golf, no
way when you trade him with in conference. I think
nobody thought Jared Golf would go to Detroit and get better.
Even that surprised me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Yeah, I think you You've seen my post for years.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I'm a Jared Golf defender, So I believed he was
great for a long time. But I would say, yeah,
if I'm Green Bay, I'm not trading him to LA.
But I don't like sometimes teams don't look at players
the way we look at them. Like look at the
Rams shipped Cooper Cup up and didn't care that she
was They knew he was going to go to Seattle, like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Well yeah, and then they tried to trade him. Nobody
offered him anything, so like they just cut him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Yeah, but and you knew where he was gonna go,
and you knew he was going to try to get
a little bit of payback and he could go home.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Now it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Actually, actually I was actually surprised he went to Seattle
because I thought for sure he was going to go
to Detroit because Jared Golf is his best friend and
a lot of Lions for office people also used to
be with the Rams, and I think Brad Holmes is
one of people that was introduced into and drafting Cooper Cup,

(01:01:10):
so I thought he was going to go there. I
did not see Seattle, but like he was saying, Seattle
is his hometown, so is his She has to go home,
So I mean, play.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
The ramstpoint you know that was a spicy ad and
you get to play the rams twice. It's like they
up on you, but your rival still believes in you.
There's a little bit justification. And they paid him fifteen
million a year. They didn't they didn't treat him like
no scrub. Now everybody acted like he was washed and
he ain't worth that. I mean, they gave him good money.
They do have an out, but I mean I expect Cooper.

(01:01:45):
I expect him the ball out last year. I wasn't
one of the people that believed he lost it. If
you look at his targets. Every time he got targets,
he produced. You can't produce without targets. It's easy for
people to say you're not open no more. But I
mean they said Randy Moss was done in Oakland, and
look what he did in New England. Sometimes people just
beat their narratives into your head and want to make

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it true.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yeah. I still think Cooper Cup has a love a
lot left in the team. I just don't trust his quarterback.
Sam Donald's been the league now for eight years, and
that was eight years, had one good year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Hey now hey, now Milroe's sitting waiting to come in yeah,
it's true. And over there now they traded the same
pick they traded Geno for they picked up Jaylen Milroe.
So that I mean Seattle Sat made some good moves
during the draft. Hate to say it, but they definitely

(01:02:39):
did off off of given given our roval some praise.
I don't want to give them no more love. So
I do want to ask you one question about Brady
in the Sanders situation. Not necessarily something I agree, but
I've seen it floating around.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
I want to do want to ask you about it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Do you believe that Brady had anything to do with
Shadar falling in the draft?

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Do you think that, you know, because Brady was a mentor.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
I've seen a lot of people throwing some things out
there saying that Brady might have been telling people not
the draft him. I at least told the Raiders not
the drafting. Did you buy into any of that?

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
No, I don't. I don't buy into that. I don't
buy into Brady telling people not to draft him. But
in a way, Brady is responsible for him falling, not
on purpose. But yeah, I think a lot of people
are surprised that the Raiders didn't take them only because,

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like you said Brady was his mentor. Tom Brady going
should door since he was like in high school or
something like that. So it's kind of surprising. Okay, if
your own mentor doesn't want you, then why should we
want you. But I don't think Brady to like other teams,
I can take the kid. And for the Raiders anyway,
I'm surprised. I'm actually I'm not surprised, only because who

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their coach is. We know how Pete Carroll runs his teams.
He wants to play great defense, run the football, and
the quarterback basically has to be a game manager. And
so he could build a great defense of Mason Crosby.
Hopefully he can get like the next lob Legiona Boom.
I don't think they'll be that good, but we'll see.

(01:04:28):
And then he drafted his next Marshawn Lynch in the
first round with Ashton Genty with everybody still was the
best running back in this draft. So that's that's the
direction that Pete Carroll is gonna go in. And also too,
with Pete Carroll being I think it's seventy five or
our oldie is, he's only in it for the short
tim He's not in it for the long term, so

(01:04:49):
Pete Carroll, he's trying to compete and win right now.
He doesn't have time to, you know, develop a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
I'm just a little surprise with I mean, obviously ego
things complain to it, which I don't necessarily buy into.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
He looks like a confident good kid than me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Yeah, I think it's a copy of the Good Kid.
I don't know if you've seen it, and if not,
I can always send you the video. But Chris Carter
did an interview after the draft, which I thought was
pretty interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
He kind of gaves some insight and it's interesting to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Hear Chris Carter's taken because Chris Carter is really good
friends with Dion. But Chris Carter did talk about how
Shador rubbed a lot of people the wrong way with
his interviews during the combine. So far, the only team
that actually publicly came out instead anything negative about Shador
was the New York Giants because New York Johnson turned

(01:05:44):
off by the fact that he came to the interview unprepared.
They gave him the playbook to kind of study and
and kind of go over some plays, and he obviously
he didn't study the playbook because during the interview he
didn't know anything. So the Johnson kind of turned off
by that. But according to Chris Carter, she Door did
the same thing to some other teams as well. And

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also you mentioned this too in last week's episode, but
that like himself, his dad might have overplayed his hand
by saying that like, oh, my son, it's only gonna
play for uh these teams, And that kind of hurt
him too, because.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
I think he went to some of those teams not
interested to go there. Yeah, don't dust, but it's it's
kind of that. There's many other players that say they
don't want to go to teams and it's fine. It's like,
why why is he bad for saying he doesn't want
to go to certain teams?

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
True? Well, I mean in Door's case too, because one
of those teams that Dean said he didn't wanted some
to play for was Cleveland, and Cleveland took him anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Oh I mean that I might tell you that at
least Cleveland respects team, you know, like they traded they
also they also traded up to get him in the
fifth round. So the interest is there something I don't
even want to get into the politics and think of

(01:07:12):
the what and what not?

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
What and what not?

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
I think Brady paid a big part and not drafting
Shade to the Raids.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Yeah, I agree with I don't think that him not
going to the Raiders. That was on Tom Brady. But
that's the other the other twenty nineteens or other thirty
teams that you say, I don't think Tom Brady anything
to do with that. And he was still like Cleveland
was one of the teams that Dean didn't want his
son to go to, and Cleveland still said, like, you know,
f that was, We're gonna take him anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
Yeah. I mean even if even if, like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Say, a team called Tom Brady was like, do you
think I should draft should door yes or no? I
don't think he's saying no. I don't even think he
would entertained that question. I think that's like on you,
like it's not I didn't draft him because there's a
you know, in the first round anyways, because there's a
generational player sitting streaming.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Take me, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Yeah, anning back. Yeah, like I said, we know Pete
Carroll has to play. He wants to run the football.
He don't care about throwing it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Yes, And then remember, like you said, I don't think
he's there for the longevity. So the Raiders, I just
maybe I think they could have took him a little later.
But I just don't think. Maybe he works there and
where they just paid Geno they probably don't want someone
looking over his shoulder. That also probably doesn't make sense
so well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
And also to another theory, I just thought about this,
uh as you were talking, but looking at Geno Smith's contract,
I think they might be in played too for arch Man.
How this how this nix lyric.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
Goes, I would agree.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
So I don't I don't think arch Man is coming
out in the twenty twenty sixth draft. I think he
plays his junior senior year and then he'll come out
for twenty twenty seven, I think. And if the Raiders
are bad and with the way Gino Smith's contract is,
they'll they'll they'll need a quarterback by twenty twenty seven,
and I think that's.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
They can get arch Man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
My guess on Archman in this he looks with teams
is at the top of the board next year, and
that's what that's what he makes his decision if he
looks just say, figuratively speaking, right, m HM, say that
the Falcons fall apart right right, and they have the
number one pick that's going to LA. He enters the draft,

(01:09:35):
you knows what time it is, and he's gonna go
to LA. That's possible situation, but I'd say most likely
what happens if he looks at those top five teams
and it's like, nah, bro, I'm staying in college. I
got you probably get a one million dollar anil there
two million dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Well, that's why I believe he's gonna stay.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
Yeah, you don't all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Four years, because first of all, he's getting that n
L I N I L money anyway. And then second
of all, even without nil, he really doesn't need the money.
He comes from a well all family, so it's not
like he's one of these players that are hurting for money.
So I I just based off what his uncles did.

(01:10:18):
And again it's a different situation, but his uncles. I
think his uncles. Both uncles sat out there freshman and
sophomore years, played their junior and senior years, then went
to the draft. And I could see Archie Mannon fall
in that same path. Uh, you know he set out
his freshman year, he played a handful of games and

(01:10:39):
sophomore year because Quinn Ears got hurt. And we talked
about this last week too, how we were surprised that
when even though Quinn Hearers got healthy, they put him
back in the lineup. So I thought because arch played
better than him. So I can see Archie playing one year,
you know, playing about his junior and senior year before
going to the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
I'd agree.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
And I just say my last Rams thing before I
ask you the next question, which I feel like is
a good question. I know a lot of Rams fans
are in on this ouch man. I even retweeted it
when they made the trade. I said, you know this
is Oachman in move right. I'm not into it for

(01:11:22):
two reasons. Here's here's the thing. We'll get back into
Atlanta if that pick falls high enough to take ourch
man and then he enters the draft.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
I'm all in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I got no problems because you're talking about picking him
with a pick we have. Right, I've seen some some
trade just offers.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Right, I give you an example.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I say that I've seen probably twenty of them come
across Twitter. Right, Right, and all of them are saying
that this is going to be the trade. Somewhere along
this line, both of our first round picks for next
year's draft. So the Falcons pick and I pick the
first round picked for the year after. Some of them

(01:12:12):
might even have the first round the year after that,
but they at least had next year's two first rounds
that the years after first rounds plus like a third
plus some Let me explain something. I would never pay
that for the unknown. I'm sorry I wouldn't. And let
me explain to you why. There's two reasons. I haven't

(01:12:32):
seen Sean McVay develop a quarterback yet. That's first part
of it. So I don't know how much mortgage in
your future to have him do something he hasn't done
yet would be what I would be willing to do.
First part. Second part is his patience level. I don't
know if he's willing to do that right. It might

(01:12:52):
run him out of.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
The house right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Third part, if you're talking about two first rounds next
year one the year just stop that the two first
rounds for next year, call the Chargers asking those two
first round is to get you justin Herbert, they'll at
least think about it, I would gladly give up next
year's two first round picks for Justin Herbert three first

(01:13:18):
round picks for Joe Burrow. You see what I'm saying.
I'm not saying these guys are available for trade. But
what I'm saying is, before you start talking about fantasy World,
why not get someone you know that's already good instill
in their twenties right that that would just be like,

(01:13:38):
I'm not in the business to give it up three
four first round picks, a third, a fifth, multiple other things,
like for a quarterback that we expect to be good.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
And I do believe that it'll be good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
But what I'm saying is you could walk in like,
for example, if the Bengals said, give me three third
round picks, I mean three first round picks.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
For Joe Burrow. Excuse me, let me take that back.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
If the option is three first round picks, a third,
and say a fifth, so move up to number one
next year to get Achi Manh And if that's on
the table and the Bengals said, give me four first rounders,
I'll give you Joe Burrow. I'll give away the fourth
first round is for Joe Burrow. Now, when you get

(01:14:27):
to a point where you're offering something that's like unrefusable
for the first round pick. Don't think that other teams
ain't looking at it like that's unrefusable for their quarterback.
They'll take it. You can see what I'm saying. So
I would go that route every time, over taking taking
something that could end in disaster.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
That's just me though, Well, well, so I agree with
that you're saying. But I see to me, and I
did see a lot of the posts two with brans
fans talking about arch mannon but to me, to me,
it doesn't matter where Atlanta, And that's what I'm trying

(01:15:09):
to say, that, it doesn't matter where Atlanta's record is
next year. I think the fact that we have two
first round picks that allows us to package that up
and trade up if you need to, because I think
what everybody keeps overlooking is that forget about arch Man.
Let's say arche Man decides to stay in college. Next
year's quarterback class is still ten times better than this year.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
So if next year's quarterback, yeah, that's that's true. That's
what they said.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
But I'm just saying, though, like that the kid from
Penn State he's supposed to be really good. Carson Bett,
he's supposed to be really good. The quarterbacks and cleansing,
he's supposed to be really good. Yeah, the kid from
South Carolina. So I mean, even even if Archie Maynon
stays in college, I think with the Rams are thinking,

(01:15:59):
it's like, okay, we can package these two first round
picks to move up with the team. Let's say a
team that's like, doesn't really need a quarterback, but they're
picking in the top ten. We can package that up,
package its first round picks and move up and get
the quarterback that we want and then just have him
sitting behind Matthew Stafford until he decides to retire, kind

(01:16:20):
of like what the Niners are trying to do with
Trey Lance and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Jimmy g Well, here's the here's the thing, right, because
I'm not against what you said.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
Now, now here's the what my problem is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
If you're telling me forget it doesn't matter whether fuck is,
then say it's not high enough for us to just
keep it, because I prefer they hand us the top
five pick and we don't got to trade anything and
we're just loaded. That's what I prefer, right, Or maybe
they give us a top three pick, now we keep
those picks. There's no reason to trade, right, kind of
like what the Lions did to us a couple of

(01:16:57):
years ago. Yeah yeah, like you ain't got trade nothing,
You got gold right now, right. But my thing is this,
if you talk about trading the two first round picks
next year to move up and get your pick, I
have no problem with that. That's because you're still you're
giving up two first round picks to get one good

(01:17:17):
premier pick that you really want.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
I don't mind that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Well, my problem is when you start talking about three
four first round is multiple thirds, like who we bringing
in Jesus?

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Like, yeah, see. The only way you do that is
if this quarterback coming out of college is generational, like
Joe Burrow. If somebody, like when the year Joe Burrow
came out, Cincinnati had the number one pick. So if
a team wanted to move up to that number one pick,
and I'm sure I heard some teams did offer Cincinnati

(01:17:51):
some trade trades to move up, but Cincinnati turned it
down because they knew Joe Burrow was a generational talent
based on his senior year in college. Plus I think
that people don't talk about too. Is Joe Burrow's originally
from Ohio's Ohio kid. Yeah, it's kind of like, you know,
the bringing them back home. Yeah, but uh yeah, but

(01:18:13):
you know if that kid coming out of college it's
like Joe Burrow where you know what he can't miss,
then yeah, you trade as many picks as you want.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Because I still would rather offer for Joe Burrow. Like
that's the thing, like, right now, do you really.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Mean what I mean? It's like Joe Burrow. No, He's
taking Cincinnati to levels that Cincinnati hasn't been in since
the eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
What you're saying, My overall thing is this, if we
went back to that draft and you wanted four first
round picks for Mediga Joe Burrow, I would have just
called Detroit and offered it for staffing. Like I'm not
I'm not giving And doesn't mean that Joe Burrow wasn't
gonna end up being great or I didn't know that
he was generational. I'm just telling you, I know staffers generational.

(01:19:01):
So I always like, like, I just give you an example.
And I'm not saying these are possibilities if the Bills
have another bad.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Year, right and say they not saying bad.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Year, another failed year, because I feel like they're supposed
to have been super Bowl contended in the past three
four years now, right, So say.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
They don't win it this year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Say the only gets speed up, he fires the GM,
he fires the coach. You know they got a high
pick that had a real bad year. Right, and you
get that owner on the phone. Are you trading up
to get Achi Mannon or you throwing a little juice
on that offer to get Josh Allen. My point is
I'm gonna try for every quarterback I can get before

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I give.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Up the house. Basically, Basically what you're saying is you
rather trade for the devil you know, not the double
that you don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
There you go, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen like swing.
They can only say no one ship in the territory
of offering three four first round picks, make it five.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
Give me Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Well for Buffalo. I'll say this, if they can avoid
Kansas City or Cincinnati in the playoffs, they're going to
the super Bowl next year. Because Kansas City and Cincinnati
it was the only two teams Josh Allen's lost two
in the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Playoffs yeah, but I just feel like after a point,
organization hits reboot and they're willing to they're willing to negotiate. Now,
usually it's there not but when you start talking about two, three,
four first round is there's not anything in the NFL

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these teams are listening to. So I think you just
get to a point where, Bro, you could go get
an MVP caliber quarterback for that price, you might as
well just keep those draft picks and do something different.

Speaker 4 (01:20:51):
Like That's what I think.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Also, though it depends on how close do you think
your team is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Yeah, but I think right now the Rams put themselves
in a window. It's open now and it's wide open
in the future too, because you got young running backs,
you know, a good core young lineman outside of the
few that are agent. You brought in the tight end,
you got the you know Pooka who's very young. The

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whole defense is young. So you got to look at
it say, you know, you're a couple pieces away. But
right now, if Stafford was to retire next year and
you brought in a Burrow or Allen or Lamar, just
like I said, just spitballing and one of these guys
becomes available.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
I think your super Bowl window is still next.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Year, the year after you got at least another three
four years, versus bringing in a rookie and resetting.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
That would just be I don't think the Rams are
ever being.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
On reboot mode, Like they retooled the way that I've
never seen before.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Well okay, but like, what way do you think it's
the best way to build? You just talked about the Rams,
but did I want talk about because they're forever leaked
because of the trade. Look at the Lions. Lions decided, okay,
we're gonna trade for a young affection quarterback. But he
was young at the time, still young, and Jared Golf

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and he's like, okay, Jared Goff's only twenty five to
twenty six. We're gonna get him, and then we're gonna
use all these draft picks to build around him. And
they built a Super Bowl contender that way. Or do
you go the route of what these lot of teams do,
like the Cincinnati, which is okay, let's get our quarterback
in the first round and it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Will build from there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Because you got that got to me. You sound like
you rather to go the Detroit route, which is okay, yeah,
our team's asked. But I can get a young quarterback
like a Josh Allen or Tremble Lawrence for example. Just
build around here.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
I staid, of getting a rookie, Yeah, see, I'd always
prefer to stay away from the rookie possible, but circumstances,
I guess would change that. Like, for example, the Lions
got lucky because the Rams for some reason, just wanted
to throw away Jared Golf. He had no reason to
be part of that deal. You got the two first

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rounders in the third round basically for Stafford to take
the Golf contract because we just didn't want it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Mm.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Typically I think the Lions would have been building with
a quarterback, but because he gave them one, they kind
of got gold and didn't need to and they just
you know, had the draft capital. So my thing is,
if I have a ton of draft picks and my
team is terrible, I mean, and I have a million holes,

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I'm going to go through the draft. I'm going to
try to build up a quarterback, maybe get a bridge
quarterback for a year or two, and I'll develop. I would,
I mean, that'd be the best way to go in
that scenario. The way that some of these teams work
or ended up, I should say when they're Like, for example,

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if Matthew Stafford left the Rams, they got a team
ready to win. Now having a young quarterback to develop
is gonna set people back and gonna send people out
the door that ain't gonna not gonna wanta wait, Like
Davante Adams wouldn't be here with a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
It would be a waste his time. You see what
I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
So certain, like the Rams are not a team that
I don't think will need to develop a quarterback or
or should want to because you drafted so well, so
you have your future sitting there on the team, and
when Stafford leaves, you're not a million pieces away.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
You're gonna be a quarterback away.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Well, I meant, unless you get lucky like the Niners
where okay, Jimmy g and Trey Lance get hurt, but
then brock Perty comes in and you don't even miss
a beat.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Yeah that I mean, that's a possibility, And I would
have I would have loved had to take a flyer
on a mill Road or a Shadur at some point
in the draft with really no expectations, just see what
they could do, you know, like no, bein't gonna, don't
gonna rush anything.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Yeah, I'm with you, But for some reason, Shama Big
he has a prospective of bending.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
I don't get it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
I would just say that if you look at the
the way the Rams drafted, I think they drafted believing
they could win now and one of the people that
could do things for them now in the future. And
that's why I don't see the rebuilds coming like a
rebuild is usually like like a couple of years ago,
we was looking at the team right and I was like, man,

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one of these and like coming up soon, Cup's gonna
be gone Donald Ramsey Stafford and I was like, Yo,
we're going to be in trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
So at that point, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Thinking, like, we need to get a quarterback and start
there right like a draft one, you know what I'm saying.
But then let's hold on his magic one holding Fisk
verse fifth round. Pooka, you know, started just pulling things
with us, like bro Stafford could retire right now and
Jimmy g probably could get us to the playoffs. They

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ain't gonna win something, but we're ready to win even
without Stafford. He's the one that is there to help
us try to get the ring. You see what I'm saying. Yeah,
So that's why with the Rams, I'm just not really
if you got a quarterback this year, I would have
loved it because they could have sat two years of Look.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
What the Giants are doing. They drafted Jackson dark but
they have Russell Wilson there for two years, so it's
like there's no there's no pressure in uh in having
to play Jackson dark right away. Jackson Darky just sit
there for two years while they try to build this
thing with Russell Wilson.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Yeah, and that's that's why I would have preferred to
go QB this year. Let him sit for two years.
I think a mill row a Shadara sitting on the
Rams for two years is three years now could have
probably been gold. That's just my personal thing. Grabbing one
next year and you know that's gonna maybe back up

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Stafford for one year and then you're gonna expect him
to I mean, the timeline works because I know two
years for Adams, they might even get out next year
if they wanted to kind of hit the rebuild. But
do you think guys like verse and stuff like that.
Three years now, are gonna be wanting to be playing
with a rookie quarterback? I'm not so sure if that's

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what Pooker and them is gonna want to be doing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
I mean, like I said, unless unless it's like a
situation with the Niners where Brock Purty as a rookie
just comes in and just they don't miss a beat.
It's like you would think that Brock Purtty has been
there for five years or whether he just came in
and just started playing with them. Yeah, but that's Radough
that that just like really never happens.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Yeah, it's that the Brady effect. Yeah, it's it doesn't
doesn't happen too often.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
And but and even with Brady though, like there were
points because I remember they were talking about putting back
in Drew Blitzell.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Yeah, I remember there was a big question on who
they were in the playoffs. Speaking of quarterbacks, I guess
we'll stick along that line. Not right now specifically, because
you know, nobody's even thrown the past the NFL, but
I would say, when it's when it's said and done with,
what do you think is gonna end up being the
best QB?

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
Out this year's draft.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Again, I'm going back to the Giants. I think it
would be Jackson dark not because not so much because
of him, but only because I like what the Giants
are doing and the simple fact that he doesn't have
to play it right away. He could sit and learn
for a couple of years behind Russell Wilson also left
the Giants receivers of elite neighbors.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
He there, there's weapons there if they can get.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
A solid running back, and you look at that defense
with they drafted a dual caller Carter, who I thought
was the best player in his draft, and then you
put him with a KIV Thibodeau, Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence.
I mean, if they can fix up their secondary, I
mean the Giants they have a good squad. So I'll

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just say Jackson Barkle because I like what the Giants
are building as a whole. And then Brian dave Ball
to me, would be THEX factor. How long does he
stay there? We saw what he did with Josh Allen
as far as, like, you know, developing him, you can
stay with you want about Daniel Jones, but Daniel Jones
did have his best years under Bryan day bol and

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so I just trust him more than I trust what
Tennessee's got going on, even though I know kem Ward
is super talented, but I just don't trust that that
team or that coaching staff. We talked about Shidor Sanders.
He has a chance to but no, Cleveland's Cleveland. No
Cleveland so far. Cleveland's where careers go to die. So

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if I if I had to choose one, I'll say
Jackson Dart And again it's not because of him, It's
because I look what the Giants are doing as a whole,
as a team.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Well, I mean that's definitely a good pick. I won't
say that it's I mean I say, probably, if I
was putting in all these, probably my second. I think
he's probably the second guy that I expect to have
a good career. The Shadar thing is a little difficult
because I don't know if they drafted him to kind
of just like fade into obscurity. So I don't really

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want to put a prediction on him. Nothing to do
with his talent. Uh, my guests would be when it's
all sitting done with, I think Milroe has has probably
all the best qualities to be the best quarterback, and
he got the I mean, he's just superior talent.

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
He got a little bit of that Lamar.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
And so you know the old thing. All concerns me about
him those it and she is very inconsistent. Yeah, and
I don't I don't know how that will translate the pros.
And then also too, he's playing under a defensive minded coach,
and defensive minded coach historically is don't develop quarterbacks very well.
I don't. I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
I don't expect that to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Well, not not saying I'm wishing anything on the coach,
but I just have a funny feeling this year and
see how it could be a disaster. We'll see how
it goes there. So you don't think you'll be there
for a long run the coach. Now, I think that
the Donald and coach situation would probably be short lived.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Uh h h.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
That's the fellow.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
It'll be back.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
Give us one second, everybody, He'll be right back on
Western Lost connection. In the meantime, I guess I'll throw
y'all have a few things here. Seeing the Dodgers traded
Gavin Lux to the Reds comment, let me know how

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you feel about that seeing him throwing jazz at the
Dodgers too. The next thing, oh yep, there's right, there's
laptop dies. It would be back on as soon as possible.
I'm actually gonna jump off for a second and we'll
pick it back up.

Speaker 5 (01:32:22):
He's ready, Yeah, yeah, mhming