NFL Training Camp News/ The Passing of Hulk Hogan

WE'RE BACK!!!
We are back after a 2 week hiatus. We talk about the recent NBA news with Dame Dolla going home to Portland and the moves that Clippers have made plus will the Lakers trade LeBron? Also, NFL training camps have started. Mike and Ant discuss the injuries to Matt Stafford and Justin Fields. Plus, the contracts drama with Micah Parsons, Trey Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart. Lastly, we give our thoughts on the passing of Hulk Hogan.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome everybody to the micing It Podcast. Sorry, we've been
out a couple of weeks. It's been a rough, hot summer.
We do have a bunch of NBA and NFL topics
to discuss with a little bit of boxing.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
How are you doing today, my brother?

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Man?

Speaker 3 (00:32):
I'm doing well, man, but this this weather is uh,
it's too much man, it's too much heat. And then
especially out here and Charlity made the mosquitos there eating
me up. I got like bites all over my hands
and ship. So I'm just I'm just maintaining.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
I could, I could imagine, bro, but we're gonna die
right in. So first we got a little bit of
NBA news to discuss. We had, you know, the bail
buyout happened, I believe about last week. But regardless, Bradley
Bell and CP three both end up on the Clippers.
Bell gave up the number three when Paul signed this

(01:12):
one year contract. How are you feeling about the signings?
Do you think that this is going to be you
think this would be the year for the Clippers or
do you think that this is just more of the same.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
No, I think it's more the same. And we actually
talked about this. Maybe it's about a month ago. Now
there's been a minute, but we said this about the
Warriors in which direction they should go in because like
their three best players are all over thirty. You know,
Steph is thirty seven, Jimmy Butler thirty six, Jammons thirty five, yeap,

(01:47):
and so like where they're headed and the Clippers is
the same thing, like okay, yeah, you make these moves,
but your best players are over thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
You know, James Harden's thirty six, Kawhi is thirty four.
Now Bradley.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Now you at Bradley Bill, who's like thirty three, thirty two,
and then you add Chris Paul who's forty. So I mean, yeah,
if this was like, you know, twenty fifteen, yeah, if
I'm a Clippers fan, I'll be exciting. But in twenty
twenty five, like, I don't they got knocked out in
the first round last year. I see him getting knocked
out in the first round again next year. Yeah, I

(02:26):
don't really see how it helps him. Like I said
it was twenty it was it was ten ten years ago.
I'd be like, man, watch out for the Clippers, but
not now right now, like they're all my age.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
I agree, they got like the retired dream team. But
so I agree, there's not much more I can I
can add in there. I have a mediocre season, they'll
make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
One and done.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Now, I will say go here. Locally, though, people are
surprised that people are turning down the Lakers and sign
it with the Clippers, because the Clippers, for the longest
time was always been the Lakers little brother, and they
still they still are to a certain extent, even though
I think in the last fifteen years the Clippers have
actually been a better team. But I think that's that's

(03:19):
the bigger surprise though, is that these players want to
play for the Clippers instead of no playing for the Lakers,
which surprises some people.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, I hear that.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
I think it's a lot less pressure playing for the Clippers,
so people expose who they are. I don't want to
come put that nobody, no, nobody expoks the Clippers to
do anything.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, they don't.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
So if they get knocked out, this not a big deal.
They go on about their business, go to the vacation,
go to their beach vacation house or whatever. On the Lakers,
they're gonna have to hear about it every every week.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Every every year, championship or bus.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, that's that's probably a part of it.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Speaking of the Lakers, Marcus Smartt must be a smart guy.
He chose the Lakers, he got the buy out from
the Wizards, and he picked the Lakers. I did see
a story that Luca, I believe, called and recruited him
to go there.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Remember I said that lucas the reason he signed.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Remember I was telling you they need defense in their
front court.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Well, they just need to get defense, period.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
But no, but remember I was telling you, Like right now,
I'm still thinking they're best movies. The trade Austin Reeves
and someone else to get a bet like another better
big piece. But I do love the fact that they
got eight and over there. He's obviously under underachieved in
his career, but he got he got a lot of potential.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
And I agree and they do because we talked about
during the playoffs, like Rudy go Beer of all people
was looking like awa like the they could say no
answer for him.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, I think the Lakers might if I was them,
and I like I like, I like a few of
the pieces, but I probably would be trying to trade
Rudy and and Reeves for better like a dominant power forward.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Like that's just I'm surprised.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I'm surprised you're not talking about trading Reeves because he
declined their extension, so this is the last year of
his contract, so he's gonna hit free agencies. And before
he hits free agency, why not try to see if
you gets some form.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, and they also brought in I can't think of
the guy's name, like Jonah Blank right now, but they
brought in a similar style player. So I think that
right now they definitely could trade Reeves Andamura and probably
bringing something to go with Aton that will lighten the

(06:02):
load down there and probably allow eight and to shine
more on the scoring down load tip as long as
he has help on the on the fighting aspect of it,
like the boards and the blocking, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
That The question is though they might be able to
get that though if right now it looks like they
might be looking at the trading Lebron, so we just
see what they get for him at this age.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
But see that that just changes everything anyways, because Lebron
would be a big piece of me looking at this
team as making it a threat. So even at his age,
you know, So I don't know, don't I don't see
him getting traded. And then if you're trading him, are
you trading his son with him? Like, there's just a
lot of questions here. I don't see Lebron getting traded personally.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Well, Okay, I understand that they want to build a
team around Luca, and I guess they feel like for
them to do that, they have to get rid of Lebron.
But if you're the new ownership, it why even like,
why even think about trigging Lebron? Because obviously Lebron and
Jennie Buzz had had a good relationship. Now she's gone

(07:10):
and you're bringing in new ownership, and it looks like
new ownership is like, now we're gonna do things, you know,
our way.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
And I know, and I know.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
He's had success with the Dodgers, so I mean, he
maybe he knows what he's doing. Maybe he does it
because it's two different sports. But I was surprised that
they're actually even like considering trigger Lebron.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah. I think I think that it just all ends
up being consideration and the phone's always open, you know.
I don't think that anything will transpire that would make
this even close to happening.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
That's just my personal opinion.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
And I don't think Lebron would would would get traded
from the Lakers and leave his son there because I'm
pretty sure he knows they're just ruined his career if
he's not there. So, especially if they kicked you out
the door, what do you think they're gonna do with
your son. He's gonna be in the leagues, you know
how it's gonna go so well, that's.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
My point about ownership, because it's like his son being
there had a lot to do with Genie, you know,
Lebron being there had a lot to do with Genie.
Genie's not there anymore. So if you're the new owner,
you just said, like, you know what, efic like, we
don't we don't need Lebron, we don't need the sun.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
We're gonna rebuild, and we're gonna rebuild doing things mouth, but.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
It could be possible.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I just I just say like this, I'm like ninety
eight percent sure Lebron does not get traded.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
This I don't. I don't see, But what are you going?

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Percentage drives through a percentage out there thoughts on the trade.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Mh by the a percentage, I'll say thirty.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
It's a good chance.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
So you're saying, you're saying so telling them that the
people listening it can happen.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
It could happen because I'm just going off for reports
and with his agent Rich Paul is saying, you.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Have what do you have to? What do you have to?

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Does he have a no trade class that he would
have to wave?

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah, So him and Bradley Beal are the only two
players in the NBA they have no trade cause. So
like if the Lakers were to trade them, it would.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Have to be a team that Lebron, you know, there's
nothing unless they do.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Like means that they'd have to bend over and do
exactly what you wanted to.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, well unless you do like Phoenix with Phoenix like
look ain't.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
And just uh agreeing on a buyout.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, I mean you could you could do that.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I feel like for Lebron except the trade, you're gonna
have to do exactly what he wants you to do.
So I mean the trust me his son going with
him would definitely be part of the hat. Like I
solely believe that if you see one James going that
other James is going right behind it.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well, he's not gonna.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
I'm also curious. I don't know how if it's gonna
be his last year or not.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
But his youngest son, his youngest son is eligible for
the draft in twenty twenty six, so and they're saying
that he might be like a top five pick because
he's better than his brother who's in the NBA.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
Ready. Yeah, so does he try to Yeah, he is.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
He's tall like his dad, So that the question is
if you're Lebron like, do you try to go to
a team do you try to go to whatever team
jets your son? And then also too, it depends on
who thinks who wins the lottery next year.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I'm gonna be honest. I don't think he's worried about
that son. And I don't mean from the aspect from
like a father perspective, but I think he knows that
that son can go to a team without him and
do what he needs to do.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I think he was.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
More more worried about developing Brownie's game. That's why he
wants to be you know, he's probably would have retired
if not for that, So he's probably I think that's
why he's.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Keeping an eye on him.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
I don't think he'd be as concerned to get on
the team where his other sons.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
At all, right, or did he try to make it
with the two brothers play together.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
That is possible, but I think for something like that,
it's going to come down to where his son does,
where he goes. If he goes somewhere and takes over
the team and he's shining, I'm sure he could ask
them to get his brother and they'll get him.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
I don't think it'd be hard to acquire him. I
don't think it's going to be, you know, like one
of those situations. So I think he needs to be
with his father for another year or two. Like at
the end of last year, I did start seeing his
game developed, though, you know what I'm saying, Like so
his shots, you know, he got good range. It's just

(12:09):
he needs a lot of work, you know what I'm saying.
So that's what Bron's there for. And he's not gonna
leave him in LA. If he's leaving, it just wouldn't
It wouldn't make sense his son to be out the
league faster than him if he did that.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, Well for Bryce, though, I will say, though, I
would like to see him go to Charley because I
think him and uh, LaMelo Ball, I'd be like, must
watch TV. Yeah, that LaMelo Ball. He has a lot
of talent, he just has no help in Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, LaMelo LaMelo is a stud. One other thing before
because I know we let me just pull this up
because we skimmed by this one. Well, I want to
know what you think about Damian Lillard. We know that
he's going to get all his money the next I
believe spread out the next five years from the Bucks,

(13:00):
and he gave the Blazes looked like a hometown discount
three years. I believe it's three years, forty five million.
What are you thinking about that?

Speaker 3 (13:10):
I am not surprised that he made that move about
a person.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Think it's a good move for him.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Based on reports, part of the falling out between him
and the Bucks was that he wanted to rehab in
Portland because you know, his wife and his kids still
live out there. In the Bucks said, no, we want
you to stay in Milwaukee. So I think for him
it's the best of both worlds. He's getting his money,
but at the same time he can go back to Portland.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
And be closer to his kids. So I think it's
a win win for him.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
And I know everybody was like, you know, shitting on
them because you know, Portland ain't nowhere close to winning
a championship and we live in this ring coaching world
now where all these rings, but everybody has different priorities
and maybe he's just you know, happy living in Portland,
being in Portland. Me that's who he wants to play
for as a team. He spent the first, like you know,

(14:04):
twolve thirteen years of his career in Portland, so you know,
he started his career there. He's gonna retire there, So
I don't I don't hate on him for not trying
to chase Wayne.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
I mean, obviously hopefully Hell's up, but I ain't I
ain't blaming him for going back to going home and
you know, taking a comfortable deal. He's basically getting double
paid for the next three years and then he can
retire and get paid for two more years after that,
so he's he's in a real good position right now.

(14:36):
We do have some NFL news to go over. Surprisingly actually,
before we get to that topic, there's two injuries we
want to go over.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
We got Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Looks like he's dealing with some backs on this or
some type of back injury. It could just be old age,
you know, it happens sometimes.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
He's thirty seven.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, and we also got Justin Fields who dislocated. As told,
both of these players are expected to be ready for
Week one.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
How are you feeling with this news.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
I'm more concerned about Matt Stafford than I am just
a Fields, only because of his age. And uh, you know,
me and Matt Stafford were the same age, and my
back is fucked up, so I can imagine how his
back feelds getting hit. And and think about the back too,
is that like it's a it's off and on like something.
Some days he might feel good and then another day

(15:36):
he might wake up and that ship just be stiffing
up on him and it'll affect him for like a
week or two and so. And it's one of those
injuries too that it can it could last like the
whole season.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
And that's that's what ended Tony Romo's career.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yep, Because you don't you're in in some of the time.
It's just like spasms and stuff. It's like not really
anything you could.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Do with it, you know, massagies.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, and don't be back. Let me leave that joke alone.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
But but but yeah, yeah, bottom line is when you're
when you're getting back spasms and stuff, there's not much
you could do. But hopefully Stafford is just hopefully this
is just precautious. Maybe a couple extra rest days here
and there. We know the Rams don't play any of

(16:26):
their starters in preseason anyways, so that's you don't have
anything to worry about there as far as them being
ready for week one, I would be more worried.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
About justin fields. Toes just don't don't.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Sometimes they just don't work the way you think they
want to work once you once you bang them up.
So remember Marshall fulk dealing with toe injections for years,
you know, like like a stubbed toe can ruin Koreas,
let alone a dislocated toe.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
So for someone who's mobility part of his game, yep.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
And I'm not sure what foot it is. It even
could even be worse if that's the plant foot.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
You throw off of.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, so it'll be his left too.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, Like it's so it's it.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I mean, it's just not a good situation to have
feet injuries is back injuries are probably more painful, but
you can't do anything without your feet. You might be
able to grit through some backs on this, you know
what I'm saying, Like, if your feet ain't working right,
you ain't doing nothing, like you said, especially not when

(17:37):
you're mobile.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
You're the only saving grids for him. It was a dislocation,
proper back in place and hopefully be all right by
the time the season starts.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, problem with the dislocation it usually keeps popping out
of place once you do it once until you get
the surgery. So we'll see how this goes. I have
a funny feeling we'll be hearing a Justin Field's toe
all year long.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
We'll see how that well.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
A quick question about if you're the Jets, do you
think you called the Atlanta Falcons about making the track
for Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Just in case? Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
I think that that that if they made a call
for for a quarterback, that would just be somebody serviceable,
not somebody that's gonna come as a mansion cost.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
You know what I'm saying, Like, you just buy the Eyeland. Yeah,
so I.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Think there's I think that the stealers may have called
for Cousins if Rogers didn't come, I think, and that's
obviously off the table.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Now why there's not many teams.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
You heard that Atlanta wanted the trait Cousins, and Cousins
really doesn't even want to be there because he.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
Wants to start.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
But according to reports, that would made it so difficult
to move him is his contract. They can't trade him
because of the contract, and they can't cut him because you.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Know, Cousins give back no money. He's not giving no
money to you. It gets all his knowledge.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
I don't I don't know who whose agent is, but
I don't know how Kirk Cousins be getting these guaranteed deals.
That's why Atlanta can't cut him. They still have to
pay and put the will miss up this sellar cat.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, and that's why I look across the league. I
don't even know if there's teams he could stop for
right now, bro And there's not many teams that are
going to pay for that contract in general, they're definitely
not paying for it for a backup like yeah, like

(19:44):
I couldn't even like say, brock Purty got injured last year. Yeah, right,
and wasn't paid at I could have seen the forty
nine ers maybe doing it because Shanahan I know, as
like a.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Soft spot for because both him.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, but not not now that Rams. I know it
wouldn't make any sense for them, you know, So I don't.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Know that said that, if anything, if you know Stafford
can't go, he has all the confidence in Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
G Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
That's exactly what I was going to say, Like, we
have two starters, we don't need three.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
So I don't see that.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
I think Cousins is in a bad situation where he
has to pick right now, really for the first time
in his life, give back money, because that's the only
way he's going to get even remotely close to what
he was.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
I think for him.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
I think for him it's gonna have to be like
a Sam Bradford situation. Remember I think it was like
ten years ago where Teddy Bridgewater towards a cl during
preseason in Minnesota. They were so desperate that they made
that trade for Sam Bradford.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
And then but I think it would come to that decision.
This team wants you right now, they're willing to start you.
You can go probably. But here's the thing, Kark, are
you willing to give back some dollars? Do you want
the money on the bench, or do you want to
give some back and we'll make the trade happen. Or
because no team is covering that whole tas and it's

(21:16):
not like it's not even not even like something I
could I could even fathom.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
A team for him is going to be you say
you want to start, But how badly do you want
to start?

Speaker 2 (21:29):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
So you gotta because I think he's probably already had
this opportunity once and probably was like, I want my money,
you know.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
So let's Russell Wilson's situation where uh, they traded him
to Pittsburgh, but the Broncos still had to pay his salary.
I think that's what teams want the Falcons to do.
We're like, yeah, we'll take her cousin.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
But yeah, but in those situations when they're covering the money,
you got to give him a higher draft pick. How
much like you would need a first round pick for
them to think they're covering that Likesburgh. I don't know,
but I feel like there was some funny business in
that trade, Like Atlanta is not in the business of

(22:13):
making a funny trade, or they would already did it.
It's like they you know, they were not doing him
a favor. They're not doing the team of favor. But
while we're here, Michael Pennick says they should not they
will or he hopes they should be the best offense

(22:33):
in the league this year.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Shoot your take.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
I mean they have the talented but they really do.
And I'll say this again because I think I said
it before. They should have made the playoffs last year,
but Kirk Cousins cost him some games, like he I
think he went like like seven games in the row
throwing at least like two interceptions, some ridiculous like that.

(22:58):
And so if you just put those interceptions that have
or if they would have just bench Kirk Cousins sooner
and started Prince, I believe they would have made the
playoffs because it came down the last week of the
season between them and Tampa for their division.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
As far as them having the best offense.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
I think they have the talent, but I still think
Cincinnati's offense would be better, and you know, I think
Detroit's offense will be better. No, Jameis Willison saying that
they're gonna have the best offense and they like their
new OC. You know, the OC came from pretty much
anywhere Sean Payton's been.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
He's been. He was with Champagne and New Orleans. He
was with Shampayne in Denver. So we might see.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Someone I can't even I can't argue with them. They're
loaded with talent in every position.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
I Mean, we talked about this during the schedule episode,
but I honestly believe, like if they could stay healthy
this year, like they won fifteen games last year with
all those players on IR, so if they can stay healthy.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, I think eleven No, I think players on defense
on IR it was thirteen.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Thirteen of them though was like crucial components, like seven
at eight start is and then like the other five
was like immediate players that come in the game. So
they was working with like third strings.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Well, yeah, because I was watching the Quarterback documentary and
that's what Dan Campbell was saying, was like, yeah, we
had guys playing for us on defense that came like
right off the street, Like they signed them on Wednesday
and they're playing on Sunday type of thing.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Just Hutchinson would would have shotted the sack record.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
He was.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
He only played like five games and already had like
seven eight cents.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, he was gonna crush He was on pace to
crush the record. So just having him back in one
of your corners, it would be huge. You talk about
your getting three starting corners back, your safety is back.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Yeah, I mean yeah, that was.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
My point that it was, like, if they can stay healthy,
I don't see the reason why this team is not
in San Francisco playing in the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
When it's all said and done, I tell you why. Yeah,
Points mcveig is gonna finally get it, get back.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
This is the year he gets it.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
You know.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
I was because because we talked about it the less episodes,
like yeah they haven't they haven't beat them yet, but
this is the year unless unless golf now has that
uh that dad's strength since his wife just gave birth
last week, So.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
We'll see if he's living good right now.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I'll tell you that that woman she loves him, because
I ain't no way you moved from l A to Detroit,
but she did it.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Palm trees to that, palm trees to that to.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
The she went from palm trees to an eminem CD.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Let's get it now.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
We do have a surprising move that happens. I'm not
sure if you've seen it. The Raider is not sure.
I didn't see any context of why this happened or anything,
but the Raiders just cut Christian Wilkins. I mean, that's
obviously a big name that just hit the market.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Again. Didn't see this coming.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
I didn't think the Raiders was really in the business
of losing their good talent right now because they don't have.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I look at it as I look at it, I
think it's a Peak Carroll thing, really, because no Pete
Carroll's came in he wants to I don't know if
Wilkins maybe he didn't fit in the defense. I think
it's weird you cut them one week into training camp,
like if you're going to cut them like, you do

(27:05):
it either after preseason or before training camp, so flim
to do it just one weekend. I'm thinking maybe Pete
Carroll saw, like you know what, he just egg't gonna work, Like,
he don't fit in our defense, so let's just cut
our losses now, just get rid of them. And for
the GM, it's like, look, we didn't we didn't give
him that five year, hundred ten million contract that was

(27:25):
the previous machine with uh Antonio Pearson, who if the GM.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Was last year, fair to say, it could have also
just been a straight money move that money needed to
save money, and that was the easiest way to save it.
Whatever they saved on that contract, cut ties, take back
what you can keep it moving. I mean, the contract's

(27:51):
probably the problem, man, you know, because it had he
now had a big contract, that probably would have found
a way to make it work, you know, so, but
it's still surprising.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Speak talking about the holdells. Michael Parsons. Michael Persons in Dallas.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Cincinnati has two holdouts, Trey Hendricks and their first Gold
Draft Kick Yeah and us spoken out, but he don't
know what the hell going on is disturbing to him
because he wants both of them on the team.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yep. The Hendricks thing.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Is, I know, it's most like the age and production
he hasn't been. I mean, he's a little bit older,
long in the tooth, and he hasn't always been great.
And granted he has did have a great season last year.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
The last three years though he's had the most sex
in the league.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, look at how many he had last year. So
I just looked at it like this, he's not he's
and that also you gotta remember that's only because guys
like like Micah Possum's just getting miss games and take
off plays. You can see it, you know, like it
is what it is. You know, like Hendrix is working hard,

(29:18):
but the truth is he's just a little longer in
the tooth. And if you put his whole season, like
one year every year, into a calculator and you pulled
out the averages, it doesn't it doesn't average to the
dollars he's asking for.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
It's yeah, yeah, you have peaks and valleys, and then
if you had peaks and valleys as a young past
pass Russia, you get the bag peaks and valleys as
an older past Russia.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
It's just not gonna work. You gotta find the race.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
I think to play the Devil's advocate, though, if I'm
trade Hendricks saying, I'm saying, Okay, me and t J.
Watt we're the same age, and TJ Watch has got
the bad for Pittsburgh, so what about me? And I
end in the steps said that the last three years
I've been better than TJ.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Watt.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
I don't know if the stats with I don't know
if the stats would show that, but I would just say,
like this, just looking at those two players, I'd pay TJ. Watt,
I wouldn't Patree Hendrickson. So it's also also he's a
he's a He's been on the Steelers since the beginning
of his career, and they fought back on that, like

(30:36):
the Bengals don't gotta have loyalty to you. They ain't
draft you, they ain't rolled six seven, eight years with you.
So it's it's just not that I just say that
that situation isn't gonna end the way he wants it
to end in Cincinnati. As far as Stuart, he's gonna
get his contract.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
The problem that it sounds like he.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Had, it's still going off the language in the contract.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
So basically what it is is that if he gets
arrested or anything, the Bengals don't have to pay him.
And I understand him being upset that they actually put
that in his contract, because it's like what you think
I'm gonna, you know, f up and go to jail
some and something like that. But at the same time,
if I was him, I would have enough confidence in

(31:25):
myself to do the right thing off the field that
that shouldn't even matter, and I'll just go ahead and
sign the contract.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
And there is the truth to it, because there's tons
of players that have that in that contract that you
never heard about it. You know why they looked at
it and was like, oh, I ain't getting in trouble anyways,
and signed it.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
It wasn't a big deal to them.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
You making that a big deal would make me worry
that you might think that it's happening. So once once
he understands that, I think he'll be fine, you know
what I'm saying. But it also from going off, I
think it might have been actually, let me not miss quote,
but I know it was one of the bigger podcasts.
It sounds like he has bad advice being given in

(32:08):
his air, so.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
He might need to switch agents and he might.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Even it could be I talked about this with the
Ace Bailey, Uh, you know, him getting some bad advice,
you know, talking about he wasn't gonna know he didn't
want to get drafted to Utah. He wanted to get
drafted to either Brooklyn or Washington. I don't know why
those teams are just as bad as Utah. But but
finally he got some good advice, he signed his contract,

(32:35):
and now he's all in with the Utah Jazz, at
least that's what he's saying publicly. So it could be
the same thing with this kid, maybe just getting some
bad advice and maybe his agents making a big deal
about that language in the contract.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, just don't get in trouble, my boy. Yeah, that's it.
Go play football. It's okay.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
And then the thing too, is like, bro, look at
if you get charged with the speeding ticket or something.
I promise you they're not taking your money. These are like,
ain'tus charges They're talking about, like don't.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Don't get Henry Ruggs.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
It's like, Bro, they're not They're not telling you if
you get you get caught Jaywalker, and they're taking your contract. Bro,
that's not what they're telling you. Chill out, go get
your money, y'all.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Be okay, what about the better go ahead? Finish your thought.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
I was gonna say, the worst part about it is
they're offering you a full guarantee, fully guaranteed contract. Now
for these younger players, that's what it's about. Forget the language.
They're giving you the fully bag to play football and
not get in trouble. That's all you need to understand.
Don't get in trouble.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
That's simple. I see.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
To me, I think Kyler Murray should be more disrespected
because they put in his contract. No, he need to
start playing video games and actually study. That would be
more disrespectful. Then, like, hey, if you get in trouble,
we ain't.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, because they're treating one of you's like a little kid.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
To make sure we want to study to be an adult.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
You need to make sure you study and work in
your craft and stop playing video.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Games getting call of duty, you know what I'm saying.
But yeah, he's.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
The I was gonna say, speaking of getting money too,
that we think about the Michael Parsons hold now because
he's talking about he's younger, so it's the same thing
with Trey Hendrickson, but he's Michael Parsons was like twenty
four to twenty five.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
All right.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
So here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
I love Michael Poston. I think at that position he's
he's my favorite, and I believe him or Miles Garrett
is one of the best at that position. You see
the one of those two uh coming coming off the
edge as a pass rusher. Right with that, and I

(35:00):
always remember I would have gave up two first round
picks and one hundred and fifty million dollar contract to
bring him to LA if I was, if I had
anything to say with it, all the all the house
called it to put him next to Jared Verse. You
feel me or lined up on the opposite side of
Jared Reverse. So that's how I feel about him as
a player, super special, elite. With with all that being said,

(35:25):
I'll give you the reasons why I think the contract
is being held up. The podcast, and I want to
knock him about the podcast. And I respect you know,
when people came from OVID, he was like, oh, y'all
don't want me to get this podcast money. I'm setting
up my future Endeavis. I respect the shit out of it, right,
and I do get that.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
But.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Forty million dollars a year, it might want you to
focus on football a little bit more, right.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
I don't know if it's.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Conditioning, but he usually if you look at like Sack
and this might have changed within the past few years
because I haven't deep dived recently, right, But he typically
has wild production the first half of the season, and
then the second half it dips. It sometimes falls off
the map, right, I don't know if that's.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
God.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
I don't know if that's conditioning, right, which because sometimes
you know, if a college player comes to NFL, he's
not used to that many games or NBA type of thing.
They start their body starts dying on the math way
through the season.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
But now he's a veteran.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
I'm that's what Jerry Jones said the other day, but
he was like, yeah, last year, you know, Mike have
missed two thirds of the.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Season, So this is the thing, right, I don't know
if it's conditioning, which means probably just language wise, a
little bit less podcasting, a little bit more working out.
He's very vocal, which I'm not personally against. I know

(37:13):
that can rub people that would pay you in these
situations the wrong way sometimes.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Especially when you're vocal.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I won't say, I know last year like he I
won't say he got in trouble, but like he was
like basically on his podcast talking about stuff that happened
in the locker room. I think for some people, like
you keep that in the locker room. No, you won't
be to like air that out for your podcast.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
And this is what I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
I personally, I don't have a problem with anything he's
done on his podcast, or I didn't even have a
problem with the podcast in general. I just feel like
if you wasn't lacking productions, sometimes it wouldn't be a question.
But that's just for me thinking what they could be
saying so and not for my personal feelings because it

(38:03):
might have nothing to do with it. Might look at
it like, bro, I drop a podcast for twenty minutes
on days I'm not doing anything like I know, so
you don't really know the circumstances on that, but just
from the outside looking, and I would say it's probably
a little bit too vocal the podcast and declining typically

(38:24):
in the second half of the season, and sometimes saying
things in this way.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
That vocal thing could come in.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Sometimes once in a while he'll say some things that
makes you feel that he isn't always going at one
hundred percent, you know, like sometimes he'll and I'm not
going to go in deep quote him. You can go
over some stays. They're out there, you know. It just
seems if you know you have another gear right and

(38:57):
you say that you know, you turn it on sometimes
or what you doing the other times. It's like that's
just kind of how And then that in those in
those type of situations like forty five million dollars a year,
I don't know if I can do that, you know.
So there's a hold up there, and I'm sure a
lot of it is probably language, because he's worth the

(39:19):
money if he's going to give you as all, but
you don't want to give him two hundred million dollars
and realize that that his podcast is taking, you know,
precedence over over training because you already paid it, you know.
So that's the only reason why I could see that
he doesn't have his money, because a blind man standing

(39:41):
next to him should know that that man deserves his money,
you see what I'm saying. So that's just how you
feel me.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
You bring up great points, and I agree with everything you.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Said, but I honestly think this is like much ado
about nothing, because this is what Jerry Jones does. Last year,
CD is held out and then Jared Jones being the
highest paid wide receiver, you know, Dak Prescott didn't really
hold out, but there was like, you know, they were
going back and forth about the contract. Dak was talking about,

(40:13):
maybe you know, I could play for another team because
you look at all the other quarter great quarterbacks in
the league, and whether it's Tom Brady, Joe Mantana, they
all finished their career somewhere else and then bam, you know,
Jared Jones makes him the highest paid player in the NFL.
So I think Jared Jones Michael Parsons gonna get paid.
But I think Jared Jones either he likes to play
games or what, but he he always like when it

(40:37):
comes to like contracts, he always like lags and he
likes to wait, and I don't know why he likes
to wait, but then he like he might wait till
last minute and then sign him.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
So I think Michael Parson is gonna get his money.
He just has to be patient.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah, I think Cede Lamb and Michael Posson is a
kind of similar in a few aspects of why their
contracts got held up. That Dak one they got juiced,
Like I don't know, but I don't know what happened.
I don't know what happened now, Like I knew City
would get his money and I know Possibles would get

(41:14):
his money.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
It's just got to be it.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
He Jerry likes to play hogball, and I give it
to him. It's just sometimes playing hog ball cost.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
You more in the long run.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
But like going back to Dak, though he should have
to be going back to Deck, he should have stuck
to his guns because that seem's honestly not that good.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
And I believe they need to rebuild.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
But they can't rebuild because you're paying DAK sixty million
a year for the next five years.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
Like you're stuck with Deck for five years. Now we're talking.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
We talked about kirk Nobody wanted to kirku because of
his contract. Ain't nobody taking on that DAK Prescolle contract.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, yeah, that that's not even. That's not even. It
wouldn't even be a conversation. No one would have play
the truth.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
But I belie leave that at Joe.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
I'll just give you an order of how I think
this goes. Stuart's Dale would be done soon. That'd be
that'll be Dale one done out of those contracts. Hawson's
will be done next, and the truth be told. For Trey,

(42:27):
Bengals are not giving him that contract that he wants.
So when it comes to him. I see a few
different things that could happen. H takes a one year
DALE at at probably a good rate, like a high number,
but it's just a one year DAL with the Bengals,
and it'll probably be similar to what he wants on

(42:47):
a yearly base, but it just would be for one year, right.
Second option, he decides that he's gonna stand since and
whatever they thought his number was. He agrees and eventually
takes the deal that they, you know, inevitably thought they

(43:10):
wanted to do from the beginning. He just decides to
take it. Three he gets traded. He still wanted that
looking for Yeah, that this bo I'm just giving you
the only three things. Three he gets traded, he still
won't get that deal he wants, so he's still gonna

(43:32):
have to take a shorter deal than what he's thinking.
So it just comes down to do you want to
say it Cincinnati, where you look real good and you
know what, you're familiar with the system, or do you
want to go try to risk it again where you
you've looked mediocre in the past before, you know?

Speaker 3 (43:51):
For him, For him, I don't understand the whole deal
only because like this is the last year this contract,
So why not just play it out and then when
you hit free agency next year, you might not get
the money that you're looking for, but somebody's gonna give you.
Somebody's gonna pay you, even if it's out the Bengals.

(44:13):
Because the one thing we know about Mike Brown the
under the Bengals is he talked about Jerry Jones playing hardball.
He will play hardball. Look what he did with Carson Palmer.
Google it.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
No, no, but see there's the difference. Jerry Jones isn't
cheap like that.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
As Carson Palmer said, look, I want more money or
I'm just gonna hold out and I want to sit
out the season.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
He's all right, go sit out the season.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
I ain't paying you, and Carson Palmer, I missed like
either half the year or the whole year.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
And they finally and wouldn't trade him near until he
finally gave in the sentence to the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
That's just crazy.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
He was willing to let Carson Palmer see the whole
sit out the whole year because he didn't want to
pay you and the Raiders like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I just.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, I just I just can't see Hendrickson getting a
top of the market deal, not like number one, but
not even like top seven.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Do you think though the Bengals, because Joe Burrow's been
out spoken about this, so do you think they'll cave
in like they signed his wide receivers after he spoke out.
Now he's spoken about this, I think let's make Joe
happy and get this deal.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Get these deals done.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
No, Nope, because they already paid two wide receivers, which
a lot of teams won't do. So they already gave
you your boys. Worry about the offense. You're locked in
both your boys are locked in. Worry about that.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
They don't.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
They don't care about what he's saying about Trey. That
would have already resolved his two people that he throws
to Joe.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Look, I'll give money back if you can get these
deals done that it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
They're not they're not breaking the bank for agent defensive
lineman that has ups and downs in his career.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
I just I just don't see it.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
There is one other contract that there was an update on.
So there was an update, well, a couple of different things.
So first, Kiren Williams, I believe, did an interview and
said that.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
He's not concerned over a contract.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
There's been there's been, there's been good dialogue, and that
he knows, even if it doesn't get done this year,
that he has a deal coming soon, followed up by
I believe A few days later, Les Snead had an
interview and said that, I mean, I'm just summoning to
the pots that I think is probably the most important.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Stuff that they said.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Let's Need said that if they don't get a deal
done with Kiren this year doesn't mean they won't get
a deal done. So the fact that both of them
brought up the fact that possibility it won't get done
this year, I think it lets you know there's really
no intentions of it getting done this year unless Kirroen
comes back to the table and accepts whatever offer that

(47:14):
offered him, which well, his agent at the NFL.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
Work sorry agent.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
His agent said that the meetings that he had with
less Need was was positive, so maybe let's let's stay
just tell him what he wants to hear. But he
came away from it, uh with good vibes.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, but I think it also ended with them both
agreeing that the dale might not get done this year.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
So so.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Two guys looking over your running ready to run over
your show. Ain't the year that you want to go
without the guarantee of the contract. But with that being said,
there's there's a few things that that we went over
this so I'm not gonna ran over it. He's not

(48:05):
in granted, he's working on explosion and he's working on
grip this year, right, But truth be told is this,
he's not explosive, he's not fast. He has a fumbling
problem at the worst times, not like a consistent I
fumble all the time thing. I mean, you fumble when
you can't fumble, that's when you fumble. You know.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
He reminds me, he reminds me of a Tiki Barber
early in his career where he was just like fumbled
at the worst moments.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Worst moments. Right, So these are all red flags. I mean,
I don't know the numbers, but I'll tell you like this,
right just on the fly. I think he had less
than three twenty yard rushes last year. I think he
only had like a handful of ten yard rushes last year.
It doesn't matter if he had thirteen hundred yards. That's

(48:58):
not good numbers. The the way metrics over and ask
for big money, no explosion, and then and then and then, and.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I get it. He's a good pass protector.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
I don't care about that that. I mean we technically
a running back is there to run.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I need you to be explosive.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
I need you to break away, score touchdowns from forty
to fifty yards away, not be a you know, a
red zone vulture, which he is not. It's not hard
for running backs to fall in from three four yards out,
you know.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
It's like, it's just not especially when the Rams have
good blocking schemes. I'd rather have an explosive running back
and have my tight end come chip somebody or have
a block and fall back than to weigh my my
running back off of his pass protection. Like think, do
you want a running back that can run a four
to three and break away home runs from anywhere? Right

(49:57):
is explosive everywhere the game plan is. They're scared to
death in him, right that can't block, or a guy
that's super mediocre that's amazing that blocking, which isn't really
his job.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Yeah, you real to have option eight.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yeah, nobody cares about a blocking running back. Do you
think about it? You ever see Derek Henry block.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Barely.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
He's two fifty, they say.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
They say Emmi Smith is one of the best pass
blocking ringing backs. That's like the least about his game.
That's the least thing that they talk about. They talk
about his Russian numbers more than his past blocking. The
only person that appreciates his past blocking was Troy.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah, and that's where you do.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
The quarterback will appreciate the pass blocking, but not when
contract time come up. Running Backs can't come to the
table and say, yeah, I'm not explosive. Only can score
from ten yards, you know, from the ten yard and up.
There's nothing on this metrics that says that I'm going

(51:08):
to become a breakaway runner. I'm fumbling at the worst times.
I probably the reason you lost the playoff game last year.
But bow Lima gets all the blame. But hey, I
need fifteen million dollars a year because I'm great at
pass protection.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Do you see see what it comes down to? It's like, no, bro,
so this is the thing.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
He's a six million dollar a year running back, no more,
no less.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
So I think his problem is that he wants say
kum money, but you're not Saquon.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
There you go, there you go. He And here's the thing.
Sometimes the NFL has a weird way of humbling you.
And they just did it to him. Ranked by the coaches,
you're not even a top seventeen running back in the NFL.
They don't look at you like that. They just don't.

(52:00):
They don't care that you can pass pass pro They
just and and I love my Rams fans that that too.
You know that Rams content create that teut him for that.
But nobody cares about that ship. It's just they don't.
Like nobody nobody drafts a running back because he can
pass protect because you're not looking at that fan like

(52:22):
you you want him to be able to do it
and you know, and get better at it, but you're
drafting him to be a playmaker.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
If it like if he can pass protect, that's just
like ice a cake.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Yeah, like the like the main thing.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
It's like the least proquiet thing they need to do.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Yeah, because it's like the the Niners, for example, if
they if they need extra pass protection, they don't use
the running bad they don't use Christian Caffrey.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
They put the fullback in their use check and let him,
you know, pass partake.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
And the truth is this right.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
You shouldn't be risking your if you're running backs good,
shouldn't be risking his health doing pass protection.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
He just shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Could you imagine losing Saquon Barkley for the year because
you wanted him to block the two hundred and sixty
pound linebacker that was coming downhill.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Four with a four to four and just mauled him.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
That's what you want your explosive, game changing running back
to be doing. That's if I'm a coach, I'm doing
everything to make sure that's never happening.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Like what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (53:31):
So just with just to ending with this, I don't
see him getting a contract this year. I don't think
the Rams offered him any more than six million dollars
a year with maybe some sort of incentitive based contract
and a lot of the things that he's his agents
bring him to the table. Just don't hold weight. It's

(53:52):
like he's he has you know, X amount of yards?
All right, But let's break down the touches first.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
The yard. Let's break down how many touches you could
pull up.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
For example, you could pull up like a guy like
Bucky Irvin rookie last year, right, he probably had half
the amount of carries as Kyraen Williams.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Because he got the job late.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
He was sharing carries all year, right, and he probably
an explosion, broken tackles and all the stuff that madters
for running backs. Probably did triple what Kyraen Williams did
last year, probably, like guaranteed it probably got more than
five ten yard runs, twenty yard runs, probably got a

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couple fifty ydd runs, probably got a longer one than
that in there. Kyen don't got any of that, and
that's the problem. Like, yeah, I remember last year he
was even joking about it. I'm saving the best for last.
I have breakouts in the playoffs. No, you never bro Listen.
He's not that type of running back. He's a serviceable

(55:03):
running back on a great team, and he's a great person,
great character, great team player, all that.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
But you just you are what you are. You you wasn't.
He's not. He doesn't have the gifts of some of
these other guys. It's me.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
He's no different than Kim Akers.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Cam Akers tell you the truth, probably a lot more
explosive than him.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Well he was before he tore his acutes.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Yeah, but even at that, I seen him last year breakaway,
a couple of big runs, and he might not have
ten garies.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
So it's like, look at, this is what I mean.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Look at if you're a running back and I give
you go ahead.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
I was gonna say he played for He played for
Minnesota last year in Minnesota barely Houston.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah, but there was one game where he started and
he had a couple of big runs. I started them
in fantasy, you know, So that the thing is.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
That's what I mean. Though. It's like, look it.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
If you're a running back and I hand you the
ball fifty times, I expect a couple explosive runs there,
and most of the running backs is going to give
you that.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
It's like just normal.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
If I give you the ball three hundred and plus
times and you can't get a twenty yard run, I'm good, bro.
Like we really don't have contracts to discuss here, Like
that's just it's like, look because I'm looking at it,
like you're getting a lot of yards because the workload

(56:39):
we're giving you a good workload. You're getting a lot
of red zone touchdowns. He doesn't have long touchdowns, they're
all red zone.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
So we're giving you gifting you touchdowns. You're not breaking
away anything. You're just you know, you're accumulating a lot
of yards because you're getting a lot of carries, right,
and you fumble at big moments. I just you you

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need to come to me with a realistic contract, like
think like this. The forty nine Ers traded what is
his first name, the Mason kid?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
That looks good.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
I think Jordan Mason.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Jordan Mason.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Yeah, and I believe he signed this contract at six
million dollars a year. Right, go watch the forty nine
Ers game. He got multiple breakout runs, multiple like he
looks the part, you know what I'm saying, and he

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wasn't getting the workload just for those small samples. Now,
granted is the forty nine Ers, so now we got
to see what he does now. But my point is this,
there's mid tier running backs and then there's over the
top running back. Right now, Jordan Mason is mid tier.
He looked good, but you didn't see enough to give

(58:09):
him the bag. So he got roughly six million dollars
a year for like Kiren's in the same boat, you're
just getting used a lot more Like Mason might actually
look better on the field like when I watched him
on the Niners. But once again, it's the Nineers. Every
running back kind of looks good over there.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
You've got to see where they leave.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Kyl Shahan is kind of like his dad back in
the nineties with the Broncos, where he didn't metal who
was the running back. They're guaranteed getting thousand yards and
the same through the nine so it don't matter who
they put that running back, like, they guaranteed to get
thousand yards. I mean, Kyle Shanahan got Raheem Moster paid.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Listen, he got a few other running backs paid as well.
He just got Jordan Mason paid and nobody really knows
what he is, so he's definitely getting people their money.
But I just say this, this is the last thing
I'm gonna speak on Kyra Williams contract until he gets
or doesn't get it with the Rams, because it's like,

(59:12):
I feel like this is a bloated topic because realistically,
truths be told. I think right now we could trade
Kyra Williams. I don't think it would change our team
at all right now, it did.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
I think I think Blake Quorum could do the same
thing that Karen Williams did.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Yeah, it did before, Like I think it was last year,
maybe not last year, but when he missed like four
or five games, we was losing every game without him,
and he came back we went on the winning streak.
It was two years ago, I think, And there was
a deficiency when he wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
There's not no more.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
The two guys behind him are just as good as him,
were potential to be better than it. Like, I don't
care about blocking. I'm just talking off actual footage. Go
watch all their college tape.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
He's the I got him at three.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Now it hasn't they haven't got to do much in
the NFL. But watching Blake Korham's tape and watching Kyra
Williams tape, I believe Blake Koram might have matched him
on a ten fifteen yard run and he might have
had fifteen carries. So it's like, come come on, bro, Like, look,

(01:00:32):
I'd rather see what korm can do. And everybody believes
hunters a stud, Like, let's see what they can do
over overpaying someone that's just basically right now, He's just
a product of his environment.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
It just it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
If you sent him to a team that really that
didn't have nothing and really needed to rely on him,
and teams could stack the box, he wouldn't get nothing.
He's not going to against loaded boxing and he has
no breakaway runs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Think think about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
This, like Saquon Barkley goes against a stack box every
play over. You see the difference. Why how many explosive
runs does he have? He got us for about eight?
He got us I think four fifty yard touchdowns. Like

(01:01:26):
so it's like ro that we're looking at that saying
I can't pay you that type of money. I watch
you that practice you we played with you every day.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
You were not that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Don't think about double digits. I like I said, he
probably think it close to eighty to nine. I don't
even think the Rams would do that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Yeah, he's that's like, that's like Joe Mixing money. I
don't think he deserves Joe Mixing money. He's not as
good as Joe Mixon.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I don't think so either.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
I mean, and that's why I think a lot of
people got mad that he wasn't ranked so high. But
it's like, throw those that's and padded touchdowns away for
a second. Have you watched these other guys play like,
don't tell me he's better than Jamaa Gabbs.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Don't tell me that he's better like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
I be honest with you, I think the Lions got
two running backs better than him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
I don't think he's as good as David Montgomery.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Then on top of that, we got Joe Mixon's, we
got Jacobs. We got this too much, bro, Like Derrick Henry,
there's too many dudes that teams have.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
To gent with the Raiders. A lot of people think
is gonna be a stud.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Yeah, I mean he looks like he's gonna hit the
ground running.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
To make sure he hits the ground running. Ye, Marshawn Lynch.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
The same, the same way the Rams would desperately wanted
a playmaking tight end. Sean McVay desperately want the Hunter
because he needed a play make and running back. So
if if Kyron wants to get six million dollars a
year to be the best pass protector on the team,
that's great, But anything more than that is just uncivilized

(01:03:12):
in my opinion. One of the Rams update, and I
will we'll kind of combat this together with the browns
QB update because it kind of aligns so there's there's
news that came out that the Rams are all in
trying to get oachmn in next year, whether Matthew Stafford

(01:03:35):
stays or not, coming out of a source that was
at their training camp. Rams believe that oach Man and
has the upside of Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
And that I want to do it and they want to.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Do everything you might.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
I mean, he has the speed because when I was
watching him play last year, I'm like, damn, this boy fast.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Yeah, he's crazy. If I'm man then to be fast.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Yeah, like they said his great I mean, obviously I
wasn't born in the seventies. I didn't watch his grandfather,
but they said, uh, Archie many had had some some
legs back on them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I never got to watch him play either.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
But yeah, but watching his uncless like damn, where you
get this speed? For like, it's like did the speed
like Skipper generation and win start to him for real?

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
So I can see that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
And also to another thing that a lot of people
are not talking about. It's a Let's Snee's son plays
at the University of Texas who his sons already has
a relationship with Archie Man because their teammates so I mean,
who's who's to say that, you know, listening hasn't talked
to him already.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
And there's also another thing that last year, when let's
Sneed kept going to Texas, they thought he was looking
at Blue un Helm's goun to Helm whatever the tight
ends name is, and Tyler Shuck I think, but all
signs that pointed that Need was only actually asking about

(01:05:02):
arch Man, and even already back then, so he might
have been supposed to be plotting on this for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
The only question, it's not even like a Rams question,
it's really an arch maning question, and that is does
he leave after his junior year this year or does
he come back for his senior years?

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
He comes down to how the board falls.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
I think when he looks at that draft board, if
he's looking at like the Browns at one and some
other fucking terrible part of my language, terrible team at
two and three, he's going back.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
He's going back to school.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
But if if the Atlanta Falcons fall on their face,
just I've said this before, but say the Falcons fall
on their face and that number one pick is LA's,
he's entering the draft knowing they're taking it. So it
just depends. He probably got a couple of handfuls of
teams that that he prefer to play for, and I

(01:06:08):
think that's what it comes down to. If one of
those teams can pick him and he knows they're gonna
I think he'll enter the draft. If he doesn't want
to go to the team, we'll see him go. Get
that n N I L money a bit longer.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
I think that the one team too to watch out
for is the Saints. I think they're will be pretty bad,
and obviously they have the family connection because his grandpa
can play.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
For the Saints back of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Oh, even though I don't know if he wants to
live in his grandpa's shadow.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
But we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
But there's a lot of teams that are willing to
take for him, whether it's this year or next year,
they're willing to go all in for him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Yeah, I agree, but we'll see how it goes. It's
I guess the archman in sweepstakes has officially arrived. So
the hashtag it up man Who's gonna win the Ochmen
and sweep steaks coming up either next year or the
year after maybe the year after. Who knows, somebody's gotta win.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
The NFL something like the NBA. They don't do that
bullshit lottery, So whoever has the worst record is gonna
get the number one piers.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Speaking of the NFL, let me got one last NFL topic.
How are you feeling about this ten percent steak rumor
from NFL take it from ESPN and potentially making a
deal to give ESPN.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
I believe it's the the red.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Zone or the so the ESPN they're trying to buy
the entire NFL network. But I believe the negotiation is
that the NFL senter, Okay, we'll give you the NFL network,
but then if you want ten percent ownership on ESPN.
So in ESPN, by the way, it's owned by Disney,
and so I don't know if Disney's wanted to give

(01:08:03):
that up because Disney owns just about everything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Disney don't like sharing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
They like that they like, so I don't know if
Disney's going to be willing to take that deal. And
it comes down to like how much does Disney walk
the NFL network, Because the NFL network really has been running.
I mean, I think the NFL has done a great
job running the network. I'm surprised even looking to get
rid of it and give it to a different company.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Yeah, if they can make money and free up how
much work they actually have to put into it, it's
probably a win win for them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
I just I think you touched on this offline.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
But I just hope whatever happens that they don't ruin
red zone.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
I don't care too much about everything else on NFL
network personally, I don't die. The only time I'm really
on it is during red zone. So leave the red
zone alone and we'll be.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
The same, same here. But I do wonder, like, are
they going to.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Is ESPN gonna continue doing the NFL since they countdown
or are they just gonna use the NFL network crew
for the pregame or whatever that they do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Yeah, I guess Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
There's there's a few things that that definitely would have
to be decided to punch. But I I just would,
like I said, as long as they don't touch red zone,
I do y'all, you could ruin everything else. I genuinely
wouldn't care. Just leave the red zone the same and
we'll we'll be fine with no complaints.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Yeah, I like obviously.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
I don't know if Disney buying it would would lead
to maybe more NFL short documentary series or short films
stuff like that, maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
Get more than thirty for thirties.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Maybe, Yeah, that's that's what I mean. Like because you
know they're about contest, so it could. It may end
up being better than we expect, just hopefully it doesn't
get work.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
So like the NFL Network, the one thing I do
like about things that they talk about all thirty two
teams while ESPN they're just gonna focus on the Dallas
Cowboys and so I don't want to. I don't want
to hear about the Dallas Cowboys for you know, fifteen
hours straight.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Yeah, I know, they picked like five things and they
just cram it in your air all month is then
they move to five other things.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
It's like literally just thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Like sometimes I watch it's refreshing when they change up
panels and they got people that actually yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
I was gonna say like, yeah, sometimes it's fustering, And
I was gonna say sometimes fusterting because it's like you know,
they they do know there's thirty one other teams besides
the Cowboys. If you can talk about other teams. You
don't just have to talk about know that one team
all the time, and they don't have like five or
six topics just on the Cowboys alone. Yeah, I kemble's
and they're not even good and even winning. Like why
we wished so much energy on a bad team.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Yep, I don't get it. It's same thing I say
every year. Every year starts in the Bills of the
Super Bowl favorites. How who makes these bets? They're taking
your money every year? How they can't they can't beat
they can't beat the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Nothing, No metric in.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
The world says that the Bills could beat the Chiefs
in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
It hasn't bit is to avoid the Chiefs in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
But they haven't beat the bets.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
They can't beat in the AFC.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
And those are most likely the two teams y'all see
every year. Last year was an outlier. It's like, so
good luck. I mean, Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes is
gonna do to Alan what Brady did to Peyton Manning.
But Peyton man finally got over that hump and throw
one and they got too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Now can Josh do it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Because you looking, you looking At, I mean the modern
day goat and number fifteen in the Red Jersey, and
you're looking at Joe Burrow that just somehow has your number.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
I think the only quarterback they could knock off Patrick
Moons is Joe Burrow, Like what you just said, yeah,
what you just said about like Brady and Manning, I
think Burrow probably more likely to do it because, like
you said, he's done it before, and he should have
done it the second time because that that rough in
the passer, that that was ticket taking. In my opinion,

(01:12:38):
he wasn't even fully out. He wasn't even out of bounds.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
Really.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Yeah, yeah, there's there's there's been a few of them.
But but Joe Burrow, like you said, we can say
he could do it because we've seen it. I ain't
saying Josh Allen is a super Bowl favorite and not
his fault because it's a team effort. But I'm not
saying these guys is gonna win the super Bowl even
get there till I see it. Like I need to

(01:13:03):
just show me in the playoffs. If you beat the
Chiefs in the playoffs last year, even if you lost
the next round, I could see, like, all right, Bose
might be the favorites this year, right, It's it's just
always going to be the Chiefs. Bro, the Chiefs are
the favorite in AFC. You got y'all got to stop them.
You can't just pick against them because you want to.

(01:13:23):
Like the common answer is the Chiefs to be in
the Super Bowl, Like any smart beton man would say that.
So who takes these betting odds when like the Bells
are the favorite every year? Who I don't get it's
taking candy from kids whoever's making these bets. But I

(01:13:44):
leave I'll leave them alone. And I hope josh Allen
does eventually get that off his back because he's a
great player. But it's just you gotta do something before
I say you're gonna do it. We'll get off of
the NFL. We got two topics I want to touch
on one of them, will say for last in this,

(01:14:06):
I do want to touch his boxing. This isn't definitive
yet and there's a few other rumors, but there's a
rumor going on that Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua setting
up a fight that could potentially happen next year. Joshua
is obviously a heavyweight. Paul just fought in a weight,

(01:14:27):
you know, a lower weight class than heavyweight. So I
guess I thought that he was gonna be I think
he find that cruiserweight last time. Maybe I thought maybe
that was the division he's in this. I don't know the.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
Number one attendant for the cruiseweight championship.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Well, and I think he's like ranked in the top fifteen's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
I think he might be fourteen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
But this, this would be a heavyweight fight, So this
would be a whole nother ballgame. And where now he's
fighting professionally, I'm sure he would have to gain weight
for this. I don't think they can. They can do
what he was doing in the beginning, where they're just
like severely different weights, you know. So if to do

(01:15:16):
a heavyweight fight, I think you'd have to move up
at least probably like two forty.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
Six hours ago.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Was also saying that he's also looking into fighting the
Dante Wiler as well, who's also another heavyweight.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Yeah, So I guess I'll give you a quick thought
and then you tell me what you think. I respect
Jake Paul and what he's doing, especially for the sport.
Right now, you're fitting to get yourself killed bro, Like,
I get it, you trying to get that respect, you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
But Anthony Joshua, I think it's still probably knock out
Jake Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
You know, he's six'.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
SIX i know he hasn't looked as good, lately and
he just he came out looking. Amazing he just kind
of lost it at a. Point BUT i don't Think
Jake paul could beat. Him the guy he's six' six
and he got a punch that could knock you out
twenty FIVE KOs i Believe, Now wilder oh, my god
he Would Kill.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Jake paul.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Stop it like LIKE like I and i do respect
it if he'd ever try. These fights but now you're
talking about you Think you're david and you're Gonna, Beat
goliath like these are six, foot seven six foot six dudes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
That have heavy hands.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
In, reach.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Yeah and that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
THAT'S what, I, mean like what do you how do
you think on the flip side they both have light
jaws and can be knocked out, flip Side And jake
paul does have hip power only.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Takes ONE but i don't think he could box with
either of.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
THESE dudes i think he needs to focus back on
the cruiserweight division and and just build.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
Winds up what do you say, say that stay in your,
weight class.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Stay in. Your, lane yeah, oh, man.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Man just just stay stay in.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Your lane one of them will put him. To sleep
this we Might See jake paul. Getting Well Maybe jake
paul needs to get knocked out to earn. People's respect hits.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Make money because people want to see him get knocked.
Out ANYWAY but, i, mean yeah it goes back to
is he serious about this ship or is he just
trying to make money and just fight anybody that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
HE could i.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
THINK that i think what it is he's dead serious
and people think he's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
A joke so now, he's like, Go seek i'm. A
joke i.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Got y'all and now you're just. Jumping, in bro you're
not ready, for that. My brother it's like, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Like look for.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
The respect you're about to get your. Clock cleaned like
chill out.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
To humble back. To.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Handschicking yeah but maybe if someone maybe if the people
that's that that swear his fights are fake see him getting,
knocked out they realize it it's never. Been fake maybe that's,
His thing like, FUCK it i risk getting knocked out
to prove that that is never, you know it is what.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
It Is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
The, But yeah i'm gonna just leave that to what.
You said stay in, your lane in your, weight, class.
Please sir thank you fights, a fake see him getting
knocked fits Of fakes you've, Getting, up yeah thin fly

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times about that