Lisa Joy Glassman- Maintaining Your Health on the Road

Sarah Harralson interviews Lisa Joy Glassman, the owner of Active Potential, which provides radical healing for musicians. She walks us through helpful tools to stay healthy physically and mentally while being out on tour. 

https://www.activepotential.com/

Episode Transcript

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Hi, everyone, This is yourhost Sarah Harrelson, and thank you for
tuning into the second season of theMind Your Music Business Podcast. I believe
self care and mental and physical healthis so important for musicians and really anyone
in the music industry, so Iwant to highlight this topic specifically this season.

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So today I have with me LisaJoy Glassman. She's the founder of
Active Potential and Active Potential provides toolsfor radical healing for people with an emphasis
on musicians. Lisa has been guidingpeople on their physical, mental, and
spiritual wellness journeys for years as anintegrated movement specialist. She is a licensed

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massage therapist, a yoga teacher,and a personal trainer that helps people to
heal their bodies and free their mindfrom pain. Lisa, thank you so
much for being here with me today. How are you. I'm doing really
well. Thank you so much forhaving me on Remind your Business and Mind
Your Music Business Podcast. There,of course, so I want to know

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all of the backstory about Active Potential. How long has your company been around
and what made you decide to evenget into a career of healing. Yeah,
so Active Potential has been around sincetwo thousand and eight. I originally
founded it as an in home personaltraining business. That's where I came into

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the fitness industry other than the factthat I had played sports and danced and
played music my whole life, soit was very active, but I entered
into the world of fitness and wellnessthrough personal training, and over time I
used to play rugby actually in aformer set of my life for former decade,

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and I got really into very activetraining training and CrossFit training to tackle
training for power and during that timeI started doing yoga as a way to
find some peace and calm amongst thechaos and aggression, and that really kind

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of changed the trajectory of my businessand how I've really approached movement and how
I approached thinking. And from thereI became a massage therapist. And by
that point I had stopped playing rugby, and as a I call it my
like winter approach to happiness, Idecided to start seeing more live music.

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I really missed having music in mylife, I missed playing, I missed
being surrounded by music, and Iused it as a cardio vascular outlet.
So I would see live music andI would dance for a few hours,
and that seemed more beneficial than justtaking a fitness class or something like that.

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And so as I went into themusic world and I was doing massage
therapy, I decided I should startdoing live music massage and teaching live music
yoga and doing collaborations around that.It put me in the festival world,
and I started working with a lotof musicians and as they would come through
and I would meet them and seethem once or twice a season or a

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year, they were often going throughthe same issues, the same issues related
to touring, living in a vehicle, living on the road, and then
of course instruments specific. So instrumentsare very asymmetrical and this leads to a
lot of different muscle differences in thebody. And I would recommend obviously things

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that they could do stretches and movementsto perform, but it's very difficult to
really have guidance for that. Youknow, if you don't remember, you
skip it for a day, thenit kind of just goes away. And
so I wanted to create like anapp like community, something that would allow
people to access the resources that theyneeded, these health resources from the road.

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And that was just an idea andone of the pandemic positives. As
I say, is that it gaveme this pause and I stopped doing all
the festival work. I closed mystudio, and it led to me creating
Active Potential Online, which we nowhave an app for which goes right to
your phone and you can also useit on your desktop, And we have

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a membership for musicians that has allof these activities to help you succeed.
That's great and it's so needed tohave a virtual platform too for musicians who
are constantly traveling and on the roadand need access to fitness or mental health
resources. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, So you're in Miami now, but

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you've lived in Maryland for a longtime since. Active Potential focuses a huge
segment on musicians and music with healing. Have you ever come to Nashville a
lot for coaching or training or howdid you go about, I guess linking

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up with musicians to make the livemusic segment happen with your yoga classes.
Yeah. I've only been to Nashvillea few times, but it is it
is on my list to visit fortwenty twenty four. I basically, I'm
a big believer in manifestation and injust stating what you want into the world.

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So this is pretty much how I'vebuilt my business in every iteration.
And when I decided I wanted towork at music festivals and to teach live
music, yoga and to create theselayered healing experiences with music, I basically
just started telling everyone and one thingled to another, and so my first

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season of festivals was twenty sixteen,and one festival turned into ten festivals by
the end of that year. Andthrough those festivals, I obviously met a
lot of musicians, a lot ofbands, and then they would come through
DC and Baltimore, and so thenI got networked into a number of venues
there. And then because I reallysaw this need, and I think the

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need has always been there, butit wasn't identified. You know, it
became the person that was connected tothose venues. So that led to more
people. And then, you know, again, people go with what they
know and go with someone they trust, and so I would see people repeatedly
at venues when they'd come through festivalsthe following year. Some festivals have led

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to other festivals, and that's reallyhow I got networked into the live music
scene. Happy to be in Miami. This is a new move, I
say, international headquarters of Active Potentialis now relocated to Miami. We just
spent a little bit of time overseas, so excited to get into the local

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world here and also to continue workingthe festivals that we have in the past,
like the International blue Grass Music Association'sBusiness Conference and festival, which will
be in Raleigh again next year atthe Minneapolis Bay Grass Festival, Delafest,
and Maryland, so we'll still havea presence in the Maryland music scene as
well. Awesome, and with Miamiyou can definitely tap into the Latin music

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world and a lot of dancing too. That would be fun. Yeah,
I'm excited about that. I actuallyhad to get my car fixed yesterday and
alleged to me practicing my Spanish,so I was happy, happy for that.
There you go. So having thesehealing services and spaces I think is

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so important for people in the musicindustry, and it's definitely often overlooked.
I know when I'm you know,going through a busy day or going through
shows, sometimes I just feel likemaybe I don't have time for meditation or
taking time for myself during the day, and it's so important to you know,

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set aside that time for yourself.And then for touring musicians, it
can be hard to maintain energy onthe road and also mentally challenging too.
When these musicians are away from theirfamily or even when they get back home
from they're done with touring, itcan be mentally challenging because all of that

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hype and energy feels very depleted allof a sudden. So through these challenges,
why do you think your service isnecessary for musicians? Yeah, So
there's a couple of things that youtouched on. I'll try to kid each
point, but you talked about energymanagement, right, You kind of mentioned

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it in a few ways, right, having the perception of having enough time,
the idea of setting aside time,the idea that the environment provides its
own challenges around that time. Obviouslytouring, playing at night, being in
a vehicle, how this affects you. And then the relationships, you know,
maintaining relationships with people that are inyour space and not in your physical

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space. And so the foundation forall of the work that we provide really
begins with the breath. And theseare techniques that you can perform literally in
seconds. You know, some ofthese techniques take under a minute, and
once you learn them, you canjust you know, find them right away.

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And almost all of the techniques alsoare you know, all of our
our videos are less than ten minuteslong, so you know, if you
have a lot of time, youcan stack them together. We've created some
playlists and some programs, but ifyou only you know, have a few
minutes, or you think you onlyhave a few minutes, then this is
something that you can easily grab rightfrom your pocket and hit play and it

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will just guide you through it.You don't have to think about it.
You know, you can favored itand have your own little list of things
that are go tos. But workingwith the breath at the foundation of how
you're going to be in the worldis also foundational for music, so it

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can really become part of your warmup, part of your practice, part
of your lead into playing. Andthat's the idea is that it helps you
optimize your time and the environment thatyou're actually in, such as being in
a moving vehicle, and it givesyou tools that you can use inside that
vehicle in a really tiny space thatmaybe is supposed to be a green room

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or is just on the side ofa stage oras on the side of not
even a stage, and so thetools are really designed to use that way,
and we also created a way ofshowing you how to use them in
those environments. So you know,it's me, it's me with other musicians,
other musicians and bands, so youcan really see an example of how

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to use these tools in the momentthat you're using. Yeah, I was
gonna say, a lot of timesbefore musicians and bands get up on stage
to play, they have all thisand anxiety or nervous energy, and a
lot of times it's hype energy,which is needed, but also sometimes it
can be feel very stressful and tense. So I think just having a few

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minutes, like you said, ina green room or backstage, even as
a whole band, if they're doingsome meditation and breath work together, it
just helps for just a moment kindof stillness to you know, think back
about why they're here, set theirintention before they go out there, instead
of focusing on you know, Idon't want to mess up my set list,

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and you know, focusing on allof the negative energy. So I
think it's really necessary. Yeah,creating a positive work environment and a positive
energy mindset really does help, andit does lay the foundation for how you
play. I know some people thinkthat practicing one way and playing another way

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works for them, and they mightcite the energy of the crowd or the
energy of the moment, and youknow, those things are all factors,
but at the end of the day, it's always you with yourself, and
you always have your breath, andyou always have your body, and it's
you that's the instrument that's going toactually produce the music. You know,

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the physical instrument that you might utilizeto express yourself through that it just doesn't
play itself right. And so takingcare of yourself is really important. And
if you are with a group,if you're with a band, creating a
culture around that process that leads toperformance also brings you all together. And

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so one of the things that wedid also with our Musicians membership is that
you can join as an individual,but you can also join as a band.
And when you join as a band, everyone still gets their own accounts,
you know, so you could stillhave your sign in and your favorites
and all of that, but youcan also join as a band. And
I love working with bands that havemade that decision to do this. Because

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when you look at older musicians arenot even that much older, you can
see that there's a lot of pain. The body has accumulated a lot of
issues over time, and a lotof that can really be mitigated by really
simply just noting that you live ina body and taking care of it.

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Yeah. Yeah, And as aperformer myself, when I think about my
own fitness journey, a lot ofmusicians try to hit it really hard in
the gym so you know, theylook great for stage and everything. And
of course it's great to be fitwhen you're performing on stage for a lot
of hours. But I always thoughtyoga sometimes, as you know, perhaps

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an easy exercise as a lot ofpeople do, maybe too still where I
feel like I need to have allthis energy in the gym. And I
still love you know, running andcross training different kind of classes, but
finding yoga I think definitely helped formy own physical well being on stage because

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when I was, you know,hitting it too hard on the gym sometimes,
you know, I wouldn't take timeto stretch or be still, and
then I would hurt my neck,and then my neck would on stage,
and I felt like I was focusingmore on that on stage. So I
think practicing yoga and meditation helps you, you know, with stretching and finding

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your breath and working on your flexibility, so your physical self is better for
the stage. Yeah, I mean, I think that's really so wise,
and I'm glad that you were ableto find that and to realize that.
One of the things that I reallywork with a lot is just educating musicians

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that they are athletes and that isvery physical practice that they're doing. And
elite athletes train all of these things. They train their mindset, they train
the breath, they train endurance,they train strength, they train mobility,
flexibility, agility, accuracy, right, And so a lot of times with

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music, we're looking for that accuracy. See we want dexterity, and it's
like we want it maybe at thefingers or in the neck, in the
voice. And yet we're doing allthese things that are creating tension that make
it more difficult to physically move thoseparts of the body or we just don't
even address them. And so overtime that can accumulate and it does lead

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to injury or to pain, whichis a distraction from the present moment.
So we have a couple of sectionsof techniques, right, we have obviously
environmental techniques, which is like whento use these, Use them when you're
sitting in a vehicle, use themwhen you're about to perform, use them

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after you perform. Because elite athletesalso train active recovery, so it can
be a lot to perform and sometimesjust to come down from that without a
crash also could be really mitigated bya few minutes of breathing and moving on
purpose in an intentional way, andso we focus on that. Like throughout,

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I do have self massage techniques reallythat has come through from being a
massage therapist. Was able to learna lot of techniques that I've transmitted that
way, and also building strength,and of course yoga can be verydental,
but it also can be very fieryand very strength building and then working on

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endurance. So a lot of timeswhen people are on the road and they're
doing a lot of sitting, it'svery tiring. You're sitting in a poor
posture, poor position. You haveall the vibration from being jostled in the
vehicle itself, whether that's a plane, a train, an automobil bus,
a car, and you know youcan actually utilize that time. You can

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utilize the environment, you can utilizethat vibration, you can utilize the fact
that you're especially if you're going tosit and play or if you're going to
stand and play to your advantage,and it can actually become part of your
self care, can become part ofyour strengths training, It can become part
of your endurance training, and allof that can lead to better performance on

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stage or you know, if you'rea recording artist, better performance whenever it
is that you need to hit itand be in the moment in play and
just practicing presence through these various techniques, through utilizing your body and breath also
allows you to be more present andto find it more easily to snap in
or dial into the moment with moreaccuracy. All that self care of massage

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and stretching a movement gives you thefreedom, the longevity of freedom that you
need for your hands and your fingersand for your voice. Absolutely, and
taking care of your physical health definitelylights and helps your mental health too,
so you can be present. Imean, if you're thinking about other things

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than what you're doing, then you'renot going to be the best at doing
the thing that you're trying to doagain, this is you know, training.
A lot of people don't think aboutthis necessarily as part of training,
and I look at training being presentas the foundation because it's absolutely necessary for

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playing music and certainly for collaborating tobe in the moment with other people.
That works best when you're all inthe moment together. Yeah. Absolutely,
So we talked a lot about howthese resources are so important for musicians and
creatives, but sometimes we don't thinkabout music industry professionals and people on the

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business side of the industry that youknow, they also have long hours,
high stress, usually travel with aband, and you know need these kind
of resources too. So have youworked a lot with music industry professionals and
corporations with this, Yeah, forsure. I think every time I've worked

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at a venue or a festival,usually someone that is in the crew is
the person that actually comes up tome first. I've had a lot of
drivers over the years, like peoplewho are driving tour buses. This is
really again hard effort. You know, often the manager is starting the day

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earlier and ending the day later.So the stress of that and also possibly
the supplemental substances that might be utilizedin order to stay awake, to be
alert. And so I've worked alot with folks on that, and of
course I came from from just sortof the general fitness world first right before

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just deciding to dive into the industry. So yeah, I've had like a
lot of engineers and recording record recordingprofessionals as well as tour professionals. And
one of the things that I includedas a result of this was like things
to do when you actually arrive atyour destination. So whether you know,

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if you're still early on in yourstage of touring, maybe you're doing all
of the crew work. Maybe you'reactually loading and unloading all of your gear
and moving it across streets and alleysand rooms and buildings yourself and carrying it
and putting it together and breaking itdown. And so we have a focus
on like how to stand up fromsitting, how to prepare your body to

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be in action. Again, it'smore like training like an athlete, which
is that prep work for for movements, and then a lot of energy management
techniques, especially for calming down andfalling asleep as well as lifting your energy
up. So it's a long canbe a long and grueling day and very
tiring, and I kind of mentioned, like you know, supplemental substances.

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A lot of what people are reallylooking for is like more oxygen in their
body. They actually could just wakeup from more oxygen, from being hydrated
and focusing on proper nutrition which actuallycan be purchased and bought all along the
road, even at boah wahs andseven elevens and chain stores and gas stations.

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And so that's one of our bigthings for twenty twenty four is to
have like a road nutrition guide.But we do have a lot of strength
training and mobility training to help withall of the other surrounding parts that go
around actually physically playing music. Andthat's so important when I think about touring

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to you know, the drivers havelong days drivings, trying to stay awake,
the engineers, so you know,they're probably constantly loading up on coffee,
you know, various substances like youmentioned, and then you know when
they get to the festival or thevenue, they usually only have time to

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eat whatever's put out there for thecrew, which could be sandwiches, chips,
you know, usually the same thingover and over again. So I
think it can be so hard forthese crew members to find access to healthy
food. And you know, sometimesthey only have time to go to gas
stations because they have a schedule tomaintain. Yeah, I mean there are

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some things that obviously are important,Like everyone does usually have space for a
bag, and I know a lotof people are a lot of bands have
coolers. Sometimes they're full of butyou know, there are ways to pack
what you need with you a littlebit, you know, at least at
the beginning or when you do makea stop at the grocery store is like,

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Okay, thinking about planning ahead formore than one day, you know,
could I have a few things onhand that I know I need,
that I know fuels me, thatyou know, is the thing that works
that is also inexpensive. And thenI think this is like an industry conversation.
I was able to be on apanel last year at the IBMASE and

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we talked a lot about like howas an industry to change the standard around
like a pizza, coffee, beer, as like this is what we're providing
for people, and yet we wantthem to feel really great and have a
great experience. And so this isa little bit around culture of like what
is what is nutritious and what canwe provide and again like looking at cost

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benefit and now this is like wecan probably provide this just at the same
expense as the thing that we're doingright now, which maybe isn't as helpful.
So yeah, looking at that,and then also just learning techniques of
how to manage your energy that don'trequire external right, that are internal that

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you can actually do to manage yourenergy yourself, to feel more awake,
to feel more calm, to understandhow to handle chaos better. And so
those things can really go a longway, because when we feel stressed,
we create more tension. We havemore tension, we are lifting our chemical

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levels, and we're putting our bodyunder more stress and it becomes a cycle.
So if we can learn internally howto dial down the stress level,
then we can reduce the overall tension, which means we're more loose, more
more mobile and mamaleable, which meanswe're less likely to react poorly or in
ways that we don't want, andour body is less likely to react in

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a way that we don't want rightby causing injury or spasm, you know,
Charlie hors or something that can reallyget in your way or even throwing
your back out, you know,one of these terms that could believe.
Yeah. Yeah, it's so importantto focus internally and externally on ourselves.

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So I was looking through your websiteon activepotential dot com and as we as
we talked about, you offer alot of different services and memberships for people
both virtual and on site s asfestivals and concerts, and I love that
you offer touring on location services forpeople bands who need, you know,

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massages or yoga classes before their show. You have movement sessions, breath work,
meditation, and holistic schedules which canbe very important. And you also
provide coaching through your Presence and Actionprogram. So through this program, is
this more for artists who need alittle help on stage with their energy or

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maybe just to kind of get themout of their head on stage. Yeah,
So in the Presence and Action program, this is my like my coaching
program. So I've run it withgroups and I've run it as a It's
always has an individual component and itreally is more individual tailored coaching. You

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know, we're working one on one. We look at all of these factors,
right, we look at your environmentalfactors. We look at what's going
on for you mentally and what seemsto be causing you pain or distraction,
and then I do a deep diveinto your playing posture as well as you're
not playing posture, and we lookat, right, what are the thoughts

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that are connected to your feelings that'sactually how you physically feel or you know,
how you may emotionally feel. Andthen what's going on when you're playing
versus when you're not playing. Soif you're having something that's you know,
your hand is going down after youplay forty five minutes, right, then
we might be addressing that. Butif you have nerves going in or you

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get frustrated when it's hard, orsomething about collaborating with your you know,
the rest of your team, youknow, everyone is different. So all
of those things though, all ofwhat I just mentioned are all things that
draw you out of the present moment. And so the techniques to get in
there are are you know, westill work with breath, we work with

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movement, We work with you know, mindset shifts around how you experience your
space, what you can do internallyto be in control, and how to
release your attachment to the things andactions of others which you obviously cannot control.
And obviously this becomes very challenging.Right if you live in a group

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situation where you're traveling, then alot of times you might have wishes and
desires that the actions of other peoplewould be different, and yet no matter
what, you can only control yourown actions. And so again, this
is why I love, you know, working with individuals and with bands and
with whole groups, because you know, depending on what's going on, what's

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drawing you or your entire team inor out of the present moment, will
dictate what the techniques might be orwhat the guidelines you might want to set
up for yourself are. So it'sreally it's a little bit of a deal.
It's a not a little bit.It's a deeper dive into really the
wholeness of your being and what yourgoals are for your career and for how

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you want to feel in your life. Yeah, that can be such a
tailored thing because there's so many there'sso many factors. When someone's on stage,
you know why, maybe they're notcomfortable with their self on stage,
and it could even be more thanjust staying present with themselves. But because

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there can be so many distractions,like you mentioned, like in the crowd
or your band members, you're focusingtoo much on what they're doing, and
then it's messing up your presence onstage. So yeah, definitely focusing on
your presence as an artist and takinga deep dive into yourself is important to

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have the best performance you can.Yeah. And also again this is about
like longevity too, because depending onwhat's going on and how much it's factoring
getting in your way, then youknow, this could be stopping you right
now, like I said. Andsometimes people do eventually have something that's like

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physically in their way. They physicallycannot play at the level or in the
way that they want or on theinstruments they want. And sometimes it's more
like mental and emotional, and alot of times those things are interacting.
Like again, the physical levels ofstress and pension and fear that we can

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wrap around a physical issue can causethem or cause them to be worse or
cause you know, or the physicalissue itself can start to create worry and
concern that can lead to interfertional challengesand so it just it's really it kind

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of becomes an unraveling and you knowwhen I became a massage therapist, is
when I really got into this ideaof the unraveling because the body is imprinted
with all of the actions and anaccumulation of all of what has happened.
So obviously, if you're playing theguitar, let's say your left side of

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your body is doing this set ofthings and the right side of your body
is doing this set of things.But then if you're doing it and not
the best posture because you're upset,you're worried, you're concerned, you're thinking,
you're forcing, or you're trying toforce things through the instrument, or

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you know, all of that,then now that becomes part of what's going
on when you're playing. So thenwhen you're playing and it's very physical,
it's not just about what you're doing, but it's also about what you're thinking
and it's also about what you're feeling. If you're able to release some of
those thinking patterns, it can clearup the playing patterns the physical pattern and
vice versa. So you know,that takes some time, and that's why

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I love doing, you know,the one on one work and working with
people for you know, for sixmonths in a row or even a year
because it takes time to unpack andunravel that and then to retrain those patterns.
But the training always begins with thebreath, and it always begins from

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coming to the present moment, beingable to actually assess what's true. What's
true right now, not what you'rethinking about, what you're worried about in
the future, of the past.None of that is true in the moment.
And I think this is why musicis so powerful and healing, because
it brings people to the present moment. The vibrations alone, whether they're playing

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through your own body or you're thelistener and accepting and receiving them. It
commands our attention. And that's whya lot of times people will say,
the only time I really feel greatis when I'm playing music or when I'm
listening to music. And so forme to be able to help, you
know, the people that are creatingthis magic and putting it into our world,

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and how helping me heal and helpingall of us heal, you know,
I really want that because I thinkwe have a better, brighter world
when there's more music in it.Yeah, that's a great point. You
can't have your audience be present ifyou know, you're not present yourself and
not focusing on your performance for otherpeople. So I think that's a great

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point, and I think this theseresources are essential for any musician at any
level, if you know, whateverkind of stage they're playing. So to
that point, what would you sayto musicians who are independents, always out

(34:43):
on the road, you know,just making money through playing on the road.
A lot of these independents feel likeself cares not that affordable for them.
So how would you advise these musicianswho feel like they don't have the
money or the resources for mental andphysical health. Yeah, well, the

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first thing I would just say isdownload our free app. We're here to
support you. You know, it'salways been you know, like I said,
this is my mission. I mean, you know, helping this whole
community, our whole world heal throughmusic is really my mission. I'm hoping
to help ten thousand musicians in twentytwenty four, So that's my personal goal

(35:30):
and we'll take it from there.And also just to be mindful about the
resources. You know, there's alot of free resources out there. Like
I think you were talking about goingand hitting the gym hard, and maybe
that's not the best. I know. I see people doing YouTube challenges and
all this sort of thing, Butthe whole thing is that if you're going
to use your body in a veryspecific and intricate way, then you really

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want to have the support. Soyou know, choose a musician's specific supportive
resource, Choose something that's going toactually help you and address your body and
the concerns around your ability to useyour body and how you might have to
focus your mind. That that's important. I think that overall, health care

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in general, not just self care, but health care is expensive, and
continuity in health care and health practitionersis very difficult when you're traveling. And
I think this is really one ofthe beautiful things of the movement online resources

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that there are that you can havea consistent coach in your life, that
you can have a consistent voice inyour life. There's even opportunities for like
therapeutic processing now through the online model. And so I would just say,

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don't shy away from the technology thatexists. And you know, you already
use a phone, you may bealready us a computer, You already use
a ton of sound technology to dowhat you're doing, So just encourage you
to embrace it for what it is. I know I personally had a lot
of resistance to that, and I'veworked through a lot of that to come

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out to this end to have beencreated an entire online resource center. And
so I would say utilize that.That's something that can always be with you
everywhere. And then yeah, whenyou need the hands on physical work,
go get it. Every festival yougo to, if there's a little massage

(37:43):
tent or something set up for youthe artists, use it. If there's
buy then yeah. And with yourfree resources in your app, you also
mentioned you have self massage techniques,which would be great if you know,
these musicians can't afford a massage everyweek, so they could do that at

(38:04):
a minimum. So many for yourresources on the internet in general, breathing
is free and meditating is free.You know, people can do this at
a minimum for their self care.I think. So, you know,
we don't have to have expensive yogaor massage memberships to at least be trying

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to do something for ourselves while we'reon the road. Yeah, and then
just like time wise, I'm inagain. But you have a few minutes
if you have scrolled or done somethingelse or felt like you wasted your time
looking at or reading or you know, doing something, then yeah, there's

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always a substitute for that. Soit's getting in the habit of clicking the
button that brings you to the thingthat brings you out or brings you happiness,
wealth. It's not just the dingingsound that we can get addicted to,
but just being conscious say yeah,I know I'm going to be on
my phone, so I'm going toclick yeah, that resource that to put

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it on my home screen. Youknow, I'm going to make it be
the thing I see. First,I'm going to allow a reminder. Now
I'm going to set a reminder todo it is one thing. But then
also just you know, thinking aboutyour practice training for playing that if you
want to be good at playing music, then being good at being in your

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body. You're going to use yourbody for your work is a good idea.
And you want to be good Ialways say this, you want to
be good at living, then practicingbreathing is essential because you want to practice
doing the thing that keeps thought right. So if we're not breathing, we
got a little bit of time,a couple of minutes, and that's about

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it. So you want to bereally good at life, and it's really
good at breathing, right, Yeah, and if you want to, you
know, share your talents with others, then it's so important to take care
of yourself so you're able to presentto your music to others. Music is

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such a healing thing, so ifyou're trying to heal others with your music,
you need to be able to healyourself first and make that your intention.
Yeah, and that's you know again, that's really where I feel like
I personally use my gifts and mytalents into this community. That's that's why

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I like feel like I have knowledgeand I have the intuition to share people
and so well, I love playingmusic, I love participating in musical endeavors.
I just felt, you know,I be helping heal. Right,

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are all obviously benefits, and it'salso why I love working with music educators
and teachers. So you know,obviously we have this like touring specific part
of our resources, but just theprep play, the prep of leading up
to warming up, of practicing,of being on stage, producing anxiety of

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being present, and then also theact of recovery. This really does apply
to all musicians and so anyone whois out there teaching other people how to
play music, it's really essential thatyou start to think about really at the
foundation, what is going to helpsomeone care for themselves to not get injured

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and tonight on their path play.So you know, we are all into
this year with these resources, youknow, educators for any children through it,
so that you knowler caring themselves verybeginning. That's and Lisa, thank

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you so much for sharing your giftsand resources to help musicians through their journeys
and their healing processes. So peoplecan find you through your website Activepotential dot
com like I mentioned, and youalso have an app for it, so
I guess just type in active Potentialon the app store to download it.

(42:32):
Where else would you like direct directpeople to find you? Yeah, for
sure, you know obviously you canjust type in two words a potential insturce
expontential dot com. From there youcan bounce around, but if you want
to go to the positions thick pagesand Resources Central Positions, and we are

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on Facebook. I also run afree health group on Facebook, so if
you're on that platform, you cancheck out our pages there and then join
the group and you might get someother you can ask questions and find other
health resources. We're working on creatinga network of pisoners that you'll be able

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to act us as well, andalso on Instagram, LinkedIn, and we
do have a YouTube channel. Findsome videos there, YouTube, Busy Spot,
Watch Things Awesome. So everywhere youcan look, you'll find Active Potential.
And I some of the listeners onthis podcast, I know there's probably

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a lot of musicians tuning in andeven professionals that you know, everyone could
use mental and physical health resources.So I hope all of our listeners will
download the app and check out ActivePotential. And again, thank you Lisa
for being on the podcast today.Thank you