E10T4 Oyente comparte múltiples experiencias paranormales

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Welcome once again to this podcast ofArgentinian myths and legends. My name is
Lucil Alle Stransh and today I bringyou an episode that, as your title
says, is very promising, asyou may have noticed and if you did
not notice, I tell you.This interview lasts more than two hours and
we' re going to take atour. The listener is going to tell

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his or her patanormal experiences throughout hisor her life, which are very varied
of all kinds. I think he' s covered the full range of the
paranormal. I don' t knowif everything, but almost everything, so
I' m sure it' san interview you' re going to enjoy
a lot. But before listening tothe interview, I will remind you,
as always, of the networks tobe in touch. Instagram is arc myths

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and legends on Facebook, the YouTubechannel is Argentinian myths and legends and also
the name of this podcast, whichcan be found not only in Spotify,
but on all podcast platforms. Ialso remind you that from last Sunday I
started performing live or streaming or theYouTube channel, telling, of course,

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stories, legends and also and mainlyI think, we were interacting very much
with the audience, because there weremany connected people asking questions about the podcast,
or that they had some experience inthe chat or even asking me questions
about some stories and I, atthe time I answered and answered. So

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join in interacting. We believe inthis beautiful community of Argentine myths and legends,
in which some we enjoy, othersare frightened. Some listen to this
day podcast because at night they arevery afraid. Others like to hear it
at night. There are even peoplewho have told me they use it to
relax and fall asleep. So whateverthese options may be, that you feel

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identified, welcome, are the importantthing is that we keep growing and that
you approach social networks, the YouTubechannel, to leave your comments and count,
of course, and share your experiences, because what better place to catharses
paranormal issues this space. I alsoremind you that not only are streaming on

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YouTube, but there are three radiosin which I participate and am always alerting
on networks, on Instagram, onFacebook. I' ll leave all the
schedules there for you to listen to. If it' s with this podcast,
as I' m often asked privatelyto upload more episodes per week.
Well, sometimes I don' tmake it in time to upload so much

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content, but they can hear otherthings also on the different radios that I
am. So now we' regoing with the interview. His name is
Rodrigo. It' s from Tucumanand, as the title promises, we
have a number of awesome paranormal stories. Hello. How you' re doing,

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how you' re doing, Lucilla. All right, Rodrigo, all
right, all right. Okay.I' m glad where I' m
calling, where you are Tucumán,in Tucumán, how nice Jan Miguel de
Tucumán. Ah well, the capital, yes, the capital, well,
you' re raining down there likehere or not. In these days Joris

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was nando under the temperature, whichmakes him very happy, but today it
is very cloudy. There' sstill no water. Ah, well,
just like here, so great givesthe ideal climate for these stories. Oh,
yeah, it' s perfect,but that' s good. I
' m glad how old you are, thirty- nine. Well, very

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good, well, and this thingthat you' re going to tell me
that you' ve been overtaking methere for messages a lot honestly, I
didn' t want to read soI wouldn' t swipe into history,
but well, where he starts tosee. Well, I do the introduction
to this. Well, I'm your fan. I' ve been

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listening to your podcast. A whileago. I' ll do some because
I had to finish, so Iwasn' t listening. I didn'
t finish listening. If it's not so good, you have to
devote yourself to the finals. It' s okay with me, and also
because I stopped listening at night becauseI ended up suggesting and then I had

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trouble sleeping. Well, so it' s effective your podcast to be happy.
I' m glad I' mgood. The thing is that,
listening to him, I realize thatthere are people who have lived things that
are worthy of horror movies, thatare just as big from these people who

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meet people who continue to go onwith good exorcism, to very obvious witches
prisons. And from there you havethese people who tell you things that have
these paranormal abilities, worthy of DoctorStrengs. And, well, I feel

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like my thing is very small,it' s like a collection of little
paranormal events all my life. Butthere' s the other side where I
find out big. I realize thatmost people have never experienced anything in their
lives, which seems ridiculously boring tome. I mean, how is nothing

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gonna happen to you in your wholelife why? But, well, I
appreciate that those things happened to me, because it' s like they add
salt to life, and I appreciatethat they didn' t pass me that
of the others who have that horrormovie story either. But I' m

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kind of giving you a timeline.More or less in chronological order in what
I remember. I' m tellingyou because I wrote it down so I
wouldn' t forget. And yetI feel like there are things I'
m missing, but well let's start this one. I' m

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from the south of Tucumán. I' ve got one more town throwing at
town that' s called good.It was more town where I lived It
' s called Aguilares. And inmy neighborhood I lived on the last block
of the potty, it was thelast block of the barge. To the
front of my house there was agiant camping where there was in the middle

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of a football field and at nightin summer in spring they looked tuquitos.
It was a beautiful thing and butanyone else may have been very afraid to
live. In front of that andto the corner of my house there was

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this reed that was endless that,of course, in summer we stole cane
from the nap that, well,of course, lived next to a reed
the eternal. What are you goingto do in summer and well, the
foreman would run us shooting in theair and give us the tiazo those things

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that you do in the field,in childhood. Anyway, why do I
tell about the sugarcane, because it' s going to come back in the
future. So let' s keepit in mind with things in my house,
particularly that were in the middle ofthe apple. It happened before I

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nasca that at night it was heardas if the neighbors were dragging the furniture
like they dragged it all night.I don' t know if they really
wanted to sweep or move, butthe furniture that runs seems to me to
be something that happens to a lotof people living where they live. Eventually

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he hears as if the neighbors weremoving the furniture all night long, and
he would hear that and he wouldalso hear a beating like a constant hammer,
but it was as if it werewith his hand, because you see
not so much unlike when it's something like a hammer and something like

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a blow to the hand, whenyou hit them to turn the volume down.
Sure, so, well, youheard it all night too and you
there that you had more or lessdidn' t even exist ah this gives
you your family. But that wasbefore I was born, before I was
born and my sisters blamed it onthe neighbors and the neighbors said it was

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them, they were nobody, andthe neighbors listened to it too. Neighbors
listened to him, too. Itwas kind of in the middle of our
houses. Sure, because we shareda wall let' s say and,
well, spoiler, it was nobodyand, of course, I, after

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I was born and already my wholelife in that house, I' ve
lived it. It was normal forme and all of us. So,
when it happened, we didn't say anything anymore. That' s
what was there. We totally ignoredhim. It also happened that with him

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we were all having lunch in thedining room and it was heard as if
they were accommodating the dishes in thekitchen and we all looked at each other
as saying it is happening and sometimeswe said in joke already Benito there washing
the dishes. It was the ghostBenito we had in the house when I,

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I mean, was a newborn.The chronologies continued. This would be
the first thing that happens to methat I don' t remember because I
was a baby, but I've been told many times. My first
paranormal experience as a baby is thatwe were visiting my grandparents in Southern Alas.

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There was the village Clodomiro and leretnear Santa Ana that well, precisely
Cladomirio leret was this gentleman, whowas the wit about, of course,
the owner of the family dog.Well, the thing is, on the

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way to the village, in thistuta there was a monument to this girl
who had been brutally murdered. Itwas such a horrible story that I remember
I don' t know why,but I knew it as a child,

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why I had this information as achild. But just hearing his name always
made me very afraid. Her namewas Norma or Normita Bazán, who was
a teacher' s student. Oneday she shows up in the van to
her cousin with friends and they offerto take her to Aguilares, where she

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was studying, and well, theyend up raping and murdering her. Then
they try to get rid of thebody by baking it because the guy'
s family had a very large bakery. They' re trying to bake the
body to make it disappear. But, well, it clearly didn' t

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happen. It wasn' t gonnabe smoke. Then they end up disquarting
it and spreading the remains all overa cane. Legend says they never found
their head. Others say they foundit just where the monument was And well,
the thing is that when we werein the car coming to the villa,

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when we were passing through that monument, I drank newborn, started to
cry, to cry to the screamsand it happened whenever we passed by until
one day my dad and my momwent and well I started it a few
candles. He' s got him. I don' t know what else

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they' ve done, but sincethat day it never happened again. This
is like the first thing. Whatdo I want to ask? Yeah,
so it' s tremendous what youtold me. Yeah, retrace the general
story. Yes, I do rememberhaving read your case over forty years ago

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of this clear was when, infact, I don' t think I
know if I was older or atmy mom' s age. Of course,
when this happened, how barbaric.Yeah, I remember she was left,
not as a saint, but asa place where people are going to

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ask for miracles. Yes, yes, I was going to many people to
weigh him in this monument that wasleft there, I guess it still exists.
I never came back. It's clear there, obviously, I
' m going to be something thatreally caught attention. Not because your mom,

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your dad, they saw you inthe voice of a baby boy already
having other kids. Also, fromwhat you say, at least your sisters
and I' m the youngest offour. Ah well, I have two
older sisters, my brother that takesme seven years and I' m already
last And well, then, justlike me, so it reflects me pretty
much that you already know that yourold men were in a basket, so

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to speak, and they see youcrying in the car out of nowhere and
just when you were passing by it' s not because it was a coincidence,
something was weird, strange. Itwas happening so that they' re
going to put candles or whatever,not sure, well, I see it
that way. Others further away fromthe city Go more common are paranormal things,

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witchcraft and solving them paranormally. Let' s also say then, I
guess I don' t know ifanyone told you. Well, they realized

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that something had to be done andwell, from there or bigger. When
I was a kid, they alwaystold us not to take a nap,
because if not that I was goingto take you to the goblin or if

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you didn' t believe it wasthat a white van was passing by and
stealing from your organs that it wasan urban legend of the 80s. Yes,
it was that children were sleeping tosteal their organs. Yeah, and
I remember the same times I rememberwhen you said that. I don'
t know if you' re warning. I guess there were public phones in

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Tucumán, those big ones on thestreet that were like a little cabin and
they said that where the coins fellthey put a needle. I don'
t know if that urban legend wasthere, too. I don' t
remember him being here, but Ido remember urban legend with considious needles opening

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up everywhere exactly yes. Yeah,yeah, you were kind of gonna eat
a chick, you were gonna finda needle. Consider everything yes, as
it is. That' s whyit came to me like that years ago,
that I didn' t remember that, but you mentioned it and it
came to me automatically. Of course, there were thousands of urban legends of
that kind at the time. Yeah, we were bored, there was no

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Internet. Sure, yeah, that' s the answer. Yeah, that
' s right. I' msorry you interrupted and continued. Please,
this good one. As I wassaying, it was this thing of going
out on a nap and since Ididn' t know the pleasures of napping
yet. I refused to say thatwhat a fool I was I went out

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just as boring, to see whathappened, to see if I found any
friends, had a single friend inthe neighborhood and wouldn' t let him
go out on a nap. Usually, sometimes it did depend on the desire
of the parents. And this Idon' t know at what age,
how old I' ve been.So it' s already the diffuse chronology

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here. But, well, Iwas a kid and the thing is that
passing by a neighbor' s house, one day they throw an object at
me, a stone, I guessit hits very close to me no and

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this and good I turn look everywhereand there was no one. Then,
well, I leave it there Isay I don' t know it must
have been a bird. The thingis, I don' t know if
the other day, but very oftenthat happens to me again like a djabu

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passing through this neighbor' s housethrow something at me and hit my leg.
This time I crouched down and itwas a little bone, a little
bone and animal that, well,there, in front of my house,
every now and then, there wereremains of some animal. It was extremely

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normal that, but it' sgood that they throw it at me and
it' s nobody. It wasvery mysterious. And another of the party
' s stories was that it wasalso spinning around, waiting for someone to
play with me to show up.Okay, one day I was leaving my

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house and I see that from thewall that joined my house to the neighbor
' s house, my friend,my only friend in the neighborhood, peeks
at me smiling, looks at meand hides again and I say hey,
what' s he doing? It' s here now, well, very

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good, boredom is over. ThenI go and turn the wall and there
was no one, there was nothing. The thing is, since I can
' t keep that, I goand see that my neighbor was awake so
I hit his hand and tell himhe' s not leaving here, he
' s not hiding, because I' ve seen him and I haven'

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t been run. They wanted tokill me and I wasn' t there.
It' s that thing from whathappened. The thing is that I
put all the things that have happenedto me in my life into this doubt,
in question, because I say howmuch of this has been a hallucination
or exactly how much has happened,except for the things that I really share

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with witnesses. I don' tbelieve them at all, because well,
already big. I also find thathaving hallucinations is most common. For example,
the low frequency sounds that use thema lot in horror movies, precisely
to generate fear. They create thatfeeling of discomfort and can cause you hallucinations

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and, for example, it isvery common, such as, you have
an air conditioning, poorly placed andthat, when it works, generates a
vibration that you did not hear it, but it is this constant vibration of
low frequency that fucks you psychologically withoutinterest. They pass the factories, put

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it that they have very large machines, also that generates that it seems to
me that they do not take itinto account in labor diseases and that,
but it can generate depression, alot of horrible things. If you'
re exposed a lot of time andit happens with industrial machines, you always

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end yes everything that' s happenedto me. This is what happened to
me and I say it really happenedto me. That' s where I
think of the other point of view. People who are crazy, are really
crazy, or see things that wecan' t see. He' ll
have a sensitivity that we don't have. It will be connected to

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a parallel universe that we cannot see. All these things that fluctuate between that
is not all the time and hecan be, he could be, but
good where he was. That's how I stayed here. I was

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going to ask you before when whenthis happens to you that first seems to
be a stone and then, ona second chance, you get thrown with
a bone, it seems to beand you get hit by your leg.
You tell this to your family,to your parents, or to some adult,
and they give you some answer,or it' s like an anecdote.
Yours is all. You know it' s your question that hits the

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nail, because it' s thingsI never told anyone, because the answer.
In my family normally that thing ahja speaks macana this one, but
that time I don' t knowwhy I told my old man, my
old man with whom I have countedwith my hands the times we talked about

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garlic in my life and I hadtold him and he told me nothing.
That flower remover, the neighbor thathe likes to make jokes like that,
but it wasn' t and besideshim, there was no one. First,
and second, that the projectile didnot come from his house, it

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came from the front, which wasthe clear mountain the yuyos, and I
can' t imagine it, theold man hiding in the yuyos just to
make the joke twice. Of courseat the time of the if he'
s waiting for you to pass.No, no, no chance, of
course, no, but, well, yeah, that had been the answer.

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Well, here begin the events ofseven years, because I don'
t know if it' s myhead that piled up all the events at

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that age, or it' sreally been seven years and not about seven
years. But anyway, one thingthat' s happening to me is that
I, from a very young age, have nightmares, horrible nightmares, very
horrible nightmares, that I dreamed ofbeing persecuted by the devil. But aside
they were recurring nightmares, the devilwas chasing me. I don' t

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know there were things possessed in myhouse or they came looking for me because
I had to marry him to thedevil. The devil was the main enemy,
apparently, and I guess that well, the whole Folklore is Southern.
I went to Catholic school when Iwas a kid. I think that was

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all my family. It was verychaotic. They were a lot of things
that I translated into those nightmares Iimagine and well, the worst thing is
that they were recurring, although gooddreams were also half superproductions for me,

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also dreams where I flew to putit. I also find that very few
people dream That' s not ascommon as you think you dream. Then
I flew in the end when Iwas seven years old, very one uncle
of mine and the whole family wassupposed to go to the funeral and I

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was going to be left alone inthe house because it was customary. Everyone
would go to school or my oldpeople would work and leave me alone in
the house with a thermos with teaso I wouldn' t learn the kitchen
and so I would have breakfast onceand well, I would see a little
drawing all morning until they came backat noon. The thing is that they

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say I wake up and I sayI' m alone and I had the
idea that my uncle was coming tofire me, because that' s the
habit of the dead. You've seen that they say that when someone
dies someone will say goodbye to lovedones. I was sure my uncle was

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going to come by my house tosay goodbye and I was really sick of
honey. The thing is, Igrab and plug my head because I had
heard noises in the kitchen. Icover myself up until the time and I
say he' s my uncle.Here comes my uncle and I begin to

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pray everything I knew that was whatmade me pray at the entrance and exit
of Catholic College. And while prayingthe look that, suddenly I start to
feel cold on the sole of myfeet. It was winter, I'
m starting to feel really cold onthe sole of my feet. And I

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think because if I' m coveredand suddenly it' s not just cold,
but I feel the floor on myfeet. And I realize I'
m standing. Oh no and Iwas standing and I listened loudly to the
noise of the fridge, which Idon' t know if it was really
the noise of the fridge, butthat was the noise. We had an

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old fridge that made that noise,as well as a vibration and I listened
to it as if I had itnext door. And, well, for
me, he was standing in thekitchen. Then I stand still. I
mean, I' m being kidnappedby aliens, because I don' t

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know if there was more or lessthe extraterrestrial autopsy at the time, which
was terrified of him, too.Every time the publicity appeared on TV I
wanted to die and also the xfiles that I loved the series, but
I listened to the soundtrack and itwas a cold stairway that was running my
back and I was standing there,thinking that the aliens kidnapped me and it

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would have been seconds, but inthose seconds they felt like an eternity and
I tried to open my eyes alittle bit to see something. I just
came back to my head and didn' t see anything. Then I lose
my balance and make a foot forwardso I don' t fall. Then

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I straighten myself up again and Isay I keep falling asleep that they don
' t notice in the aliens thatI' m awake. The thing is,
I' m losing my balance again. And when I step, it
' s like I step on theair like a bag of air and fall,

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but when I fall, it floats. It hit me with my head
lower than my feet and it's like a second that I' m
like this and suddenly like a limanpulls me back, very fast and from
there I start feeling back on thepillow in my face. I realize I
' m in bed, I getthe quilt off my back and I'

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m so shocked. I didn't know what was going on. I
didn' t know what had justhappened to me and I look into the
kitchen and my sister was there andshe says hello create a good tea.
If I want to get out ofbed, spoon and downstairs my brother was
sleeping. Turns out I' dnever been alone in my house and my

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uncle hadn' t come to visitme, but I probably had been semi
- abducted by aliens. Some timelater, at about seventeen, reading books
that a friend’ s mother wascarrying who was a librarian. It'

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s good, I think he's already retired. Anyway, she was
a librarian and the lady was alwaysvery esoteric and she brought books from the
library to the house, which shefound interesting to read, and one was
about astral trips. Then I foundout and confirmed that what had happened to
me as a child had been anastral journey. But there we have made

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a temporary leap. We go backseven years. One day I wake up
in the morning, too, amongmy terrible nightmares. I wake up too
early because my old people got upabout 6: 00 a m to go

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to work because they were both teachers. Then I see they were talking there
in the dining room and I getdown and when I walk through the door
of my room, I hear itcame like from under the bed, a

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grunt. It was a thing soit was increasing in volume and a terror,
a chill. Then something running andwhen I walk through the dining room
door disappears in my old ones andthe light goes out as if it had
been an illusion, a mirage.Then I ran and tried to open the

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dining room door, but I hada hand in the key to the dining
room. Then I was with myeyes closed because I didn' t want
to see the floor coming after me. Then I turn around and I see
that that half- amorphous form thatI always associate with him, that it
was as if the bear Yogi hadstuck in a trunk, that had a

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branch coming out like moose horns camerunning so clumsily like a thing between funny,
but that it makes a lot ofterror and I, whenever I remember
this, it makes me that chillat the back of that image. So,
since I can' t open thedoor, I run out into that

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thing and hug her like I'm hoping to do some damage to her,
hugging her and suddenly I feel likeshe' s for me again I
hear that noise from the fridge.I feel again as if I was leaning
in the kitchen and as if Iwere wrapped in a golden light and the

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hug that I felt was like mymom and from there I woke up and
had been dreaming. The thing is, something like this has never happened to
me again in my life. Butit was such a real dream. I

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really thought I was awake. That' s never happened to me before,
and that never happened to me inmy whole life. So what happened?
I don' t know, Ihave no idea. It' ll be
paranormal. I don' t knoweither, but well, it adds up

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to the oddities that have happened tome in life. Sure. Yes,
yes, at about twelve years ofage I was at the yes as a
child. I think it was atseven. This is one of the things
that Montón was seven years old,which I think he was seven years old.

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It happens to me that one nightI have a nightmare, so I
ask my mom to sleep with meand being there extremely uncomfortable, the two
piled up in bed. It happensto me like I wake up and hear
noise. For me I was lyingon the bench of alternates on a football

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field in the middle of a gameand it was a sound like there was
a tribune singing such a yes,and from there I realized that I couldn
' t move and I couldn't. I couldn' t, I
couldn' t, and I doa lot of strength until I can let

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go. So that' s whereI tell my mom you know you can
just go. I think I'm gonna be okay sleeping just because I
' ve associated that paralysis with beingsleeping uncomfortable, and it' s the
first sleep paralysis I remember and Idon' t know why this whole football

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field thing, because there' snothing else I have less football than I
do, I mean, I haveas much football as a cooking channel.
And, well, that' smy first sleep paralysis. There' s
a lot more coming in my life. I' ve had them all my

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life. That was the first one. And there, moreover, it was
just to wake up paralyzed, nonoise, no evil spirit, nothing was
to wake me up paralyzed so muchthat I had become accustomed and it was

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that I woke up and said uyagain and tried to stay calm to see
if calming down could wake me upand let go And usually it didn'
t happen sometimes like I would comeback between sleep and still paralyzed and it
was horrible. And most of thetime it happened to me that it was
like I was half upside down,half with my nose half crushed on my

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pillow, so I had my breathcovered and I was half suffocating. Then
I despaired the same way, soI had to do a lot of strength
to let go and my whole bodywas sore, then all day, and

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well I associate it with this thingthat it' s the brain that didn
' t finish lighting up. Soyou haven' t been enabled by the
motion function. It is still thescientific explanation of PAREDSIS and of sleep that
you have already spoken it in yourpodcast several times, and that continues to

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happen to you now. Long ago, it didn' t happen to me,
but it' s never stopped beingclear to me, but there'
s a time when it got weirdthat we' re already going to get
there. All right, well,at about twelve. I was in my

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piece playing Shonic Three Sega. Itwas a summer night and as was customary
at that time the light was oftencut off. So we were used to
that. And since I was alreadyin my stage of big children, I
no longer wanted to be afraid ofthe dark. Besides, I was trying

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to put logic into thinking about thedarkness only the lack of light. And
we don' t see the objects, but the light that bounces in them.
I' d seen a documentary onDiscovery Channel recently about that and it
' s like everything about the darkhad left me more relaxed after seeing it

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from a small scientific point of view. And, well, it' s
like I was starting to stop beingafraid of the dark. So I said
good. I' m gonna sithere in the dark until I get back
to the light. That' show I keep playing. It' s
okay. I' m here apart, well, I listen and I see

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the light coming from the kitchen,because my mom and my sister sit in
the kitchen, they light the daylabors. I don' t know if
they were there drinking mate and I' ll stay calm in my room.
The thing is, all of asudden something catches my attention to my right
and I look at the height ofthe floor. It must have been 20
centimeters. I see two little eyes, two very pretty eyes, so with

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the shapes of a cat' seyes put him but they were completely green,
like little green lights. The thingis, I' m looking everywhere,
to see if it wasn' tthis light wound that leaves your eyes.
When I looked at a lot ofnufio and looked everywhere and the little

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eyes didn' t follow my eyes, they were still there to my right.
The thing is, instead of reachingout to touch it because it didn
' t cheer me up, Ido something a lot smarter, which is
bringing his face as close as hecould, that is, if it was

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a cat he could have ripped myeyes off by scratching me The thing is
that I get as close as Ican and I see very close to my
face. These little eyes got meup again looking everywhere and I was no
longer disappearing A few seconds later thelight came back, so I started to

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turn around my whole room looking forsome sign of where that was And obviously,
there was nothing anywhere, But thereI started to give the explanation to
something that happened to me very oftenthat when I was playing with the dolls

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I dropped some gun, some littlearm, something and it was like I
never heard the noise of them hittingthe floor and then that I couldn'
t find it and then without lookingfor it, I ended up finding it
in unusual places that said how tofall at my feet. This bouncing up
here was like finding it between thesheets puts in a drawer and that'

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s where the leprechauns' answer is. Of course I said goblins, that
' s what everyone says when theychange things from the place goblins. That
' s the answer to everyone.So you penguantes that the green ears were

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a goblin, and I think thatwould have been it. I don'
t know what else it can be. It' s like from the supernatural
beings you can look for from greenlittle eyes and very little ones. It
seems to me that there is noother who can be a leprechaun or capable
who were also extraterrestrials. I don' t know an interdimensional being. You

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' ll know when you' re13. It happens to me that my
brothers, my brother and my sisterlived here already, in San Miguel de
Tucumán. They were both studying andI think my sister was already received and

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my brother was studying. That wasirrelevant. The thing is, we were
about to help them move to anotherbigger apartment, and in the apartment where
they were, we went one nightearlier with my old men to stay and

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they left me alone. They goout, they go to dinner and leave
me alone in the apartment. I' m watching TV that was cutting around
midnight, so then there was nothingelse to do. Then I go to
bed early The thing is, Iwake up. I don' t remember

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if I' ve seen a watch, but to me it was about 5
00 in the morning. It was starting to dawn when the sky is
already half skyy, it' sno longer black. There was, like,
outside light coming in because I wassleeping in a bed chair, in
the dining room and all that wall, the window facing the balcony and coming

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into the light. The thing is, I wake up and I say why
I' m so awake. Thisquestion that will be repeated later I said
why I am so awake and Isit in bed and it strikes me.

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Something that was in the bathroom andwhen I looked at it was the silhouette
that a child was freaking out fromthe bathroom door, looking at half a
body like spying on me. Itwas as if it were what one would

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describe as a ghost, it wasa translucent white child, all white,
with indefinite features, which is asif it shines to the light, like
things, like toys shining in thedark, but it is not strong enough

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for you to confirm exactly what youare seeing. The thing is, I
' m looking at that for hoursAt some point I stand up and walk
halfway to the bathroom, but I' m never going to be encouraged,

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so I' m back to bed. I sat there, I looked everywhere
and I looked back there and thatwas still there until at one point I
said well, I' m notgoing anywhere near it. That doesn'
t look like it, and heslept with me and I kept on sleeping
and this baby was standing there andhe was staring at you and something,

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what he was doing. What Ican say is that he was still,
hard as frozen. But it's this thing that you kind of stare
at something and it' s likeit moves, but it doesn' t
move. I don' t know, it' s like there' s
a slight movement, like it's a clear smoke, but I can

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' t confirm that it really moved. To me it was this fixed thing.
Let' s say yes, Iunderstand. The thing is, I
fall asleep, I tell myself thenext day when I wake up, I
' m going to see what itwas and when I get up, I
sit in bed and I look atthe bathroom and there' s nothing,

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absolutely nothing that I could have simulated. That which I had seen because I
thought I could say that you hungup next to the bathroom door and give
me this illusion and no. Thething is, I go to the bathroom,
I see where the towels were hangingon the other side, there wouldn

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' t be anything that could havesimulated that image. Sure. So,
well, what' s the mysteryyou talk about there with your brothers,
with your old people, something ornot. When we were in the car,
I asked my sister, you don' t know if anyone died in
that building, that apartment. Youdidn' t live or who lived before
you. Not why,' causeI think I saw a ghost in the

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bathroom. Oh, you' retalking shit. My family' s overall
response to everything was that, soin my life I' ve told very
few things. I understand in I' m exactly the same as you under
four. They always answered the samething and here we are with a podcast
of these things. You' veseen. It' s like people who

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study psychology because they had mental problemsall their lives. Well, of course,
it' s a podcast of paranormalthings, because they' ve never
heard of it from guys, ofcourse, of course, somewhere it had
to come out. And, well, there you go, you find a

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bunch of other people that happen toyou, and that' s how you
feel less alone as you do,yes, as you are. Okay.
This one already comes more my adolescence, where the wall the paralysis of sleep

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passed me much later in the daysthat demanded me a lot in the gym.
This truth I don' t knowif it will happen to other people,
that I know what happens to youwhen you' re very stressed out
this one too, but that happensto them when they get a lot physically

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demanded in the gym, when they' re very tired must also be something
common. I don' t knowthe truth because I don' t know
other people in person who have hadthe paralysis of the and well, there
again is something that inevitably unites itwith science, you don' t unite

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it with the paranormal, you paralyzebecause you went to the gym about 15
years old. It happens to methat my grandfather dies, but before I
die this happens to me that Iwake up three days in a row at

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six in the morning. And I, as I was insougna since I was
a child, because as I hadthese horrible nightmares since I was a child,
I spent the night watching TV thatat lunch there were no such children
' s channels as Jablin de vicChannel, which were 24 hours of cartoons.

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Then the worst or that what wasafter midnight was the channel of stars,
so I watched two women sea aroad, whatever it was to not
fall asleep before dawn. I waitedat dawn to fall asleep, because when

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the sun came out I felt calmto sleep. Sometimes I didn' t
fall out of sleep and I foughtnot to fall asleep because I was afraid
to sleep. So, since Iwas a kid, I' ve become
very insomne and I' m more. I' m too late. I
have more energy. At night Ifeel like doing everything at night during the

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day didn' t work as wellas at night. The thing is that
at that time I would stay until3: 00 in the morning watching MTV,
because at that time they would passinsomnia and put on new music.

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They played the best music. Thattime was MTDP' s best time because
he died. He died with thereality shows. He was killed by reality
shows. Fart or so, thething is why I was waking up and
I was at six in the morningif I had just slept to him I
would wake up and I would watchthe time, look at the time on

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the clock and it was six inthe morning and it was about that I
would wake up and it was againthis. Why I' m so awake,
why then I stayed like this withoutknowing what was going on. Sometimes
I turned on my phone and sawI asked for another time and sometimes I
went back to sleep. It happenedto me. Actually, it happens to
me three times. It happens tome three times and the third day is

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when they' re going to getme from school, they' re going
to look for my old man becausemy grandfather had died. Why did that
happen I' ll never know whatconnection I had to get up early with
my grandfather' s death. Idon' t know these things that leave

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me thinking how useful this was tohappen to me. No. My first
question was to be if your grandfatherhad passed away at six in the morning,
but I assume not. For whatyou' re saying. I don
' t know what I can doI can' t believe that the third
day happened because he dies on thethird day. I say capable that was

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it. Maybe he dies on thethird day at six in the morning.
I don' t know the truth. I mean, my grandmother. When
he wakes up, he finds thathe had fallen. He wanted to get
out of the room. I don' t know where he was going,
but he fell there at the doorof his foot Anyway, after that,

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a while later, I don't know how long later he went,
but also there, between the sixteenseventeen years, I have this dream where
I was leaving my house with myfriends and I was leaving that was the

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routine of every day that I wentwith my friends to the house of one
of my friends and we spent thewhole day there we were like adopted children
of his family, which must havehated us many times the mother because we
were there all day. Anyway,the thing is that in the dream this
I went out with my friends,it was night and some houses after mine,

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like my grandfather intercepted me and askedme, please, to help him,
to go with him because he neededhelp. The thing is, in
the same dream, I realize thatit' s not the first time I
' ve dreamt that, but it' s been happening to me several times.

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It was a recurring dream that Idon' t know how many times
I' ve had, but thistime I decided because all the previous times
I had told him that he didn' t see what I would have been,
I said no to my grandfather andI went with my friends and this
time I said yes, that Ihelped him. So what he asked me,
which was in the corner of myhouse, that there was a phone

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booth, which was to help himdial a phone number, because he had
to call someone and give me toput a coin, which was a smooth
metal coin, which had this squareshape with rounded edges. I put it

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in the phone booth. I woulddial the number he asked me for and
I don' t remember if hetold me or told the person he was
talking to on the phone, buthe said he wasn' t going to
leave because he had to wait forhis love to come. And that'

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s where the dream ended. Thething is, I wake up that day.

It was about 6 (55:24):
00 in the morning, too. I wake
up, very awake, and Icome out of my room because it was
this dream that was like I hadno mission, like what words I would

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do or I don' t knowwhat word to put it like a goal,
meant something wasn' t for methe dream. Sure, then I
get out of my room and Igo and I' m in my mom

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getting ready to go to work.Then I tell her, because it seems
to me that the dream was forher. I' m telling you,
look, this has happened. Grandpatold me such a thing and she tells
me ah and those are waxes mydad said and there he thinks I was
just about to move it out ofniche because now I was in it was

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a familiar niche and I was inthe same niche with this guy, who
was the guy that I was afraidhe would visit me. So, I
had the astral journey at seven andit turns out that my grandfather had had
a fight with this guy when theywere young and they never spoke to each

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other again in his life. Thenmy mom wanted to move it from niche
to niche where my grandfather was goingto be alone. And for some reason,
the message was don' t moveme from the niche, because I
' m going to wait for mylove to come. And the thing is,

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he finally moved it around when mygrandmother died and put them both together,
which was a lot of years later, but well, I always had

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other dreams like that in my life. But that was like the one that
as the most significant let' ssay, because my mom has interpreted it
in a way that had a meaningto the message and it' s been

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not to move it in niche.It has had a clear utility, because
if you could contrast it with realityand another person who told you well,
this is so, it has suchmeaning. It' s not that it
' s left in your unconscious,in your reality, in your life and
nothing else, and it was aninterpretation. Yours there was a third interfering

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and interacting with that, so itmade a lot more sense, of course,
because it was something I didn't know what was going to happen.
I didn' t know who shehad in her plans, I had
no idea. I told her somethingand it was for her. It'
s like in the movies you've seen when they dream of the ultimate
destination, the guy who dreams ofthe visions that the plane falls off and

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says get off the plane, becausethe plane is in a clear caz,
well, like this, but ona smaller scale, it was a much
smaller scale. Well, then atthat 16th, 17th age, you remember
the cane in the corner of myhouse. Yeah, well, it turns

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out that they sell a large portionof the sugarcane because they were going to
make a neighborhood of sixty houses there, on the corner of my house.
The thing is that while they weredoing the barium, rumors began to spread
that they had found things, things, Indians, vessels, all kinds of

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relics, that the workers were sellingto collectors, interested people, but they
were rumors. It was a matterof who knows if this is true.
Again I remember telling someone in myhouse and he told me that, but
you did. The thing is thatwhen they finish the whole neighborhood, they

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leave out of the batio a pieceof sidewalk that will have had three by
two meters. And in that pieceof sidewalk there was a hole where there
were Indian remains. There were thebones of two Indians who were with all
their belongings, including a couple offlames, and have gone or archaeologists from

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here to remove the remains to bringthem to the museum, to a museum
here. I don' t knowwhere they' ve been taken, but,
well, there was nowhere to putthem. We didn' t have
museums in eagles. So it wastrue. In the end, it was

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true and it turns out that mostlikely the last block of my neighborhood,
which was where I lived, wasover the same Indian cemetery, so the
knocks on the wall and the furnituremove probably was because we lived in an
Indian cemetery as in Porterguste. Well, the thing is, I have pictures

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of that. I have some horriblepictures that one of the archaeologists who told
me there put you on the archaeologistand I' m with the brush there
smiling at the camera. They tookpictures of me with flash guides. So
it looks like I' m inthe middle of the dark doing that,

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but it wasn' t daylight.And, well, other than that,
with my friend who lived there onthe corner, who was my only friend
in the neighborhood. I don't know why we were given to walk
around this new neighborhood and one daykicking the floor, kicking a stone and

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it wasn' t a common stone, but it was shaped like a stone
vanilla. It was clearly hand carved, it' s like a spoon.
So I have a memory of thattoo, which I hope is not cursed,
but well, I have here inthe memory of the Indians on the

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corner of my house. What barbarian? What barbarian? I loved it,
I loved how you started and howyou ended up with the same place.
Yeah, it made a sense.It started and ended somewhere. And I

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remember that with the beating this oneonce we were with my cousin in my
house, we were alone and watching, we were watching the exorcist at night
and that it was my favorite movieat that time and the hitting started.
The beating but violent. I don' t think I' d ever heard

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it so loud and so loud thatwe went and heard it loud in my
mom' s piece, which waswhere we were going to sleep that night
because we were both alone. Idon' t know if they' d
gone on a trip and I guessand I remember putting my ear on the
wall to listen to it. WhenI hit and I felt like a little
tap, like a tok so lightin the ear that it left me icy

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and well, that' s wherewe' ve been on TV, we
' ve fallen asleep watching TV.The beating has been going on all night.
I' ve woken up already bydawn with the telegraph The beating was
going on and in fact more andI turn off the TV and go to
bed and stop fucking around. Yeah, I imagine it' s the very
offended ghost, because I' vesaid banging all night and you' re

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turning to 2, 000. Soof course, just like that, and,
well, yeah, you' regoing to see what the goal was,
also of that, that way,not what, why, for what.
And I imagine we were living onthe Indian cemetery. It must have

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been. They' ve interrupted oursleep. Now we' re going to
interrupt him for the rest of hislife. Oh, look how interesting.
Yes, and then you said atthe beginning that your old people, your
brothers listened to this, but inturn you held up throughout the interview that
every time you said something to himand I told you nothing, I left

(01:04:31):
the crap. So medium as acontradiction. That' s where you talked
about these issues again, whether you' re all grown- ups or not
with my brother. Yeah, andI' ve also complained about this that
the common answer was leave talk shitand he tells me no that lie,

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but yeah, it was normal thatI think it was more than anything something
that came to me from my oldlife. It was my old man'
s answer in general anything, butyes, well, the hit was so
common that the truth was taken forgranted and it was no longer surprising.

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I had something relevant in the house, of course, and in the house
where you are right now, somethingis happening to you. When I was
about eighteen, seventeen years old,it happens to me that I was dating

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this girl who lived there in thecenter of Aguilares and we were at the
corner of her house sitting on thewalls, on a neighbor' s wall,
when I think she was like onein the morning and suddenly she starts

(01:06:05):
blinking the street light and she goesout. The thing is, I was
just about to say. It lookslike something from the X files and before
I can say anything, the skylights up completely as if it were a
guide so much that I could seeperfectly the roofs of the houses. It

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lights up three times. The thingis, she was about to say something
and I tell her to stop,something strikes me to my left and I
look and there came a ball ofwhite fire that had sparks of all colors.
It was the size of my fist, more or less that it came

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straight towards me, towards us.And in that moment you think everything very
quickly. The first thing I thoughtwas if this falls and kills me I
die happy because it was to killyou a meteorite, an omni, which
is so much better than I putyou on a train. I guess the

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thing is, there' s afew seconds of this in the air and
suddenly it disappears behind the houses anda moment later you start to listen little
by little. So the tremor thatcame from the expansive wave, from the

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fall, from this thing, thathas hit hard on the floor and clearly
was big, that passes by wherewe were, as if it came running.
The tremor passes by where we were, which shakes the wall where we
were sitting the windows of the houses, passes by and we hear him go

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away until he disappears. The thingis, that' s been seen by
a lot of people in eagles.Everyone' s been talking about it.
Then all those who have seen himwho have not seen him, it is
even more I want to make adocumentary about it and look for information and

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find where he had fallen. Becausethe most mysterious thing of all is not
what has fallen, but the nextday in the gazette, on the radio,
in the official media, let's say what they said was that

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a satellite had fallen into the PacificOcean, that that was what had been
seen and that' s a lie, why would anyone lie about that?
I mean, we' re inthe middle of the country, it'

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s impossible that we' ve seensomething that' s fallen into the Pacific
Ocean, that is, if we' ve seen from the middle of the
country something that' s fallen intothe Pacific Ocean and we' d all
be underwater, but it wasn't something that had just fallen in there,
so the lie of that has mademy head a lot bigger what it

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' s been like for me tolie about men in black and the next
day or the next day, Idon' t know in the days that
followed, talking to friends, acquaintances, people in the neighborhood, what was
said. The same thing was said. I don' t know that someone
had also seen the same thing thatyou heard the same thing that everyone had
seen from different angles and there wasthe one that said yes. I know

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a man said he' d seenhim pass over his house. In fact,
from here. It has also beenseen, because a friend living here
says she had seen it from herbalcony, but very small, because it
has clearly fallen away from Acá.So there' s records and it'

(01:10:15):
s in the gazette That news cameout that I don' t know why.
I haven' t saved you atthat time, but well, it
' s in my goal to makethis documentary and go to the Gazette archive
and look for the exact date tofind the note and, well, make

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the whole tour of why, whythe lie and if anyone knows where that
and the whole ball fell. But, every year that goes by makes everything
more impossible because the further away,the more blurry and the less able there
are listeners of Tucuman from the samearea who identify with what you are counting

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and get more information. I wishthey' d write to me. But,
no, yes, it would begood. Yes, I' ve
made a little poster that I've distributed to everyone, but no one
has ever written to me, whichwas with the idea that if someone had
seen it, they should write totell me their story because they wanted to

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make the documentary clear and good.After this, it happens to me with
my next girlfriend, when we wereeighteen years old. He was just as
much in love. It was spring. It exploded in chance, and there

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was a japiner there in the neighborhood, which was an impressive thing. How
it perfumed blocks away. It wasall beautiful. The weather was beautiful,
the temperature was beautiful. I hada beautiful relationship. So, being with

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her at night at home, wesaid goodbye. I' m going to
my house, I' m takinga bath with the water at the perfect
temperature, I' m going tobed and the bed had clean sheets.
I lay with the window open becauseit was spring. So all beautiful.
The thing is, when I putmy head on the pillow because I lie

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face down, not in a sleepingposition, but stretching my head like this
with my chin towards the pillow,I don' t know if you understand
the position. Yeah, yeah,I get it. I understand well.
The thing is, I' mdone supporting my head. And it'

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s like I get out of thebody, I get out and I get
vertigo and like in the vertigo thatgives me, I kind of shake and
kind of fall back into bed.So I tried to replicate a lot of

(01:13:17):
times later, but it didn't happen to me. That night I
told my brother I was in beddownstairs because we slept in Cucheta. I
tell my brother what had happened andI' ve done ah left the shit
out. Of course typical I wasdreaming yes this and well, there it

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kind of cut off my emotion.Sure, yeah. He took all the
romanticism and astral travel out of ashoe. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That has been my second trip upto and including involuntary as the first,
but look at the differences that thefirst one has been because I was scared
shitless, of course, and thesecond one has been because I was in

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this state of perfect love and happiness. Sure, yeah. How crazy it
is that the full facts help youtake off, so to speak, something
shoots it then I have tried toreplicate it later, but without success.

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We make a leap around the ageof twenty- four. I put on
the boyfriend with this girl who wasa band and the truth was that I
was terrified of all the preference toher religion, but it was extremely interesting

(01:14:51):
to me. She was never gonnatell me she was scared of me,
but she did know I was scared. I knew because I was slightly sadistic.
But this one kind of I wasinvestigating. Apart from what she told
me, I was investigating, formy part, also about religion, which

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is very interesting in reality, becauseit is this religion. She called her
animist, because animist of animist,because the idea is to incorporate. I
don' t remember if it wasnine or thirteen spirits, which is like

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you' re getting out of therace. When you have the three spirits
incorporated, then the idea is thatyou' re going up the level and
you' re incorporating these spirits.And I think she was like four.
I don' t supposedly remember thatwell, but I already had more than

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one inside. The thing is,I was spending a lot of time at
her house and she was going tosessions on Fridays, she was leaving around
ten o' clock at night,because the sessions were at night. I
don' t know if they startedaround 3: 00 in the morning,
which is witch time, and theyended up in the daytime at around 5

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00 in the morning. Maybe he was coming back, but good he
was since ten o' clock atnight there at the temple where they invited
all the barium people because they weremaking this food that was like blessed with
ah it' s like positive magic. Supposedly, they invite all the people
in the neighborhood, whether or notthey are members of religion, and everyone

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can participate, actively or inactively inthe sessions. And there they kind of,
by incorporating the spirits, they helpthese people who are going to ask
for things that they' re goingto ask for. These were supposed to
be good bands whose idea of doingthe jobs, of incorporating the spirits,

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was to help people and they wereagainst people who were asking bad things to
happen to others, because they havethis idea that is universal. Practically everything
he does becomes you, which iskarma, everything he does becomes you three
times. Then you' re badthings become you. And well, her

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idea was that I wanted to helpwith this was what mattered most to her
in her life, it was herreligion and it was her passion practically and
I was scared and I stayed ather house and had the little altar that
I had helped her put the trapon the wall I had the altar there

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in the room. The thing isthat I was staying and I was dawning
watching movies, because I couldn't sleep, because I felt like I
was looking at the back of myhead at the image that I had there,
because she was the daughter of ImanYa and had the image of Mancha,

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which is not very different from aVirgin Mary. Because, as is
a syncretist religion. They syncretize thatit is basically to have equivalents of Catholic
saints to these saints of African origin, because it was that slaves, when
they arrived here on the continent,Catholic priests tried to be good, did

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not treat, imposed their religion onthem and made them go to church to
pray and they, in order notto stop praying to their saint, buried
images or hid images of their saintsbelow Jesus of the Virgin. Then they

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already knew that under Jesus was suchunder the Virgin was and man already under
St Joseph was such another Saint.And so I don' t know if
I' m telling you something youalready knew no. No. The truth
is, I didn' t recognizeit, but I found this whole religion
thing very interesting. The thing isthat I accompanied her several times to do

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because she had to make offerings oncertain dates of the year, on Halloween,
for example, where she went tocrossroads, as well as when she
made a pact with the Devil.He went like Robert Johnson, went to
the crossroads and left there the offeringthat was massamora, a cigarette, a

(01:20:21):
glass of whiskey and things like thatare the offerings to the Saint according to
the date and light a candle.While he turns on the candle, he
makes a song and well he leftthat there at a crossroads and we left.

(01:20:43):
The thing is, there' sall very nice history. But here
comes how negative Ponelle was. Whenshe came back, she had a cat
for a month and the cat lovedher and the cat loved me and I
didn' t like cats. I' m exposing myself to the public to

(01:21:09):
say I don' t like cats, because people condemn you if you don
' t like cats. A littlegood is judging me right now because I
just said I don' t likehome. You don' t know what
happens that all the people I knowwho say I don' t like cats
is until they have one, theyhave one and then they change their mind

(01:21:33):
and yes, notice that this catwas impossible to not want it, because
I came to the door of thebuilding, that the apartment was on a
second floor and I, when Iopened the door of the building, listened
to it maul the cat. Thenwhen I arrived, when I arrived at
the apartment, I opened the doorand the cat was there waiting for me.

(01:21:54):
I was bruised because it smelled likeme coming and jumping up and up
on my shoulder like a parrot.Not that, apart from killing her,
it seems that there are people whodon' t want it and they go
to that person and believe me theydo that the less you love the cat
the more they want you. But, well, I' m a dog

(01:22:16):
person I like dogs. Okay.The thing is, this cat who loved
her, who owned her, whenshe came back from the sessions, the
cat ran away terrified so much thatshe crashed into the furniture. He was
bursting with furniture and she was chasinghim down for him hiding him under a

(01:22:41):
closet furniture and she was chasing him. And he was telling me because it
was hilarious for them. They toldme to look, look, look,
and he would come and throw hishand at them and the cat would make
and run and bump into another pieceof furniture and go hiding somewhere else.
It was a thing that impressed meso much because I thought it was so

(01:23:03):
abnormal. It' s true andit was and it was and I mean,
the day would come and the catwould come back to normal and be
normal with her again, but itwas always that she would come back from
the sessions. The cat behaved likethat and what an explanation you put to

(01:23:26):
that. I don' t knowthat the cat didn' t like me
being late to the house. Iwas offended when I was late for the
house. No. No, no, I find him that turn. But
Güey, no, no, no, no, no, I think that
' s it. The thing is, since the first night I was with

(01:23:49):
this girl, I started having sleepparalysis very often and I was trying to
get her to wake me up.Then I tried to scream so that she
would wake me up and determine megoing and she would wake me up and

(01:24:12):
wake me up and they were ordinarysleep paralysis. But I spent a lot
of time with her. The thingis, one night it turns out it
wasn' t that ordinary. Andin what happened to me this was lying
on my back and I see towardsmy feet, at the feet of the

(01:24:33):
bed, that from the side ofthe bed a black shadow rises to the
one that puts all its weight onmy legs. He grabs me with his
legs and puts all his weights onmy legs and the only thing I could
see from this black shadow were whiteeyes and a very big smile, like

(01:24:58):
I was enjoying what I was doing. The thing is, I get a
tremendous panic and there again I tryto move to wake her up to wake
me up. She wakes up andwakes me up and goes into the shade
and there I think there was somethingabout everything around her that was probably sucking

(01:25:24):
my life. Me. The thingis, when we cut, we cut,
and I wasn' t sad tohave cut the relationship. I wasn
' t in love. In fact, I felt that it was wiser to

(01:25:45):
cut the relationship because I wasn't going anywhere anymore. But I had
a pain, an anguish that mademe want to cry at all times and
it wasn' t for her anythingthat made me feel, that constant sadness.
It was like when you' rea kid and you drop your shoulder.

(01:26:06):
I don' t know if youremember that feeling. You have horrible
anguish in your chest. Well,it was a constant sadness that was hurting
me and I wasn' t leavingwith anything. And I feel like with
time gone slowly, and it's like I' ve lasted a long
time that wound of that that I' ve probably sucked the energy, the

(01:26:33):
vital energy, the desire to live, the happiness, whatever it is like
a dementor of Harry Potter, somethinglike that. And after it, this
time that was wrong, I've been good at meeting people and learning

(01:26:56):
from different places. How to protectmyself from negative things, evil things,
for example, meditating, doing meditation, channeling energy, you make this bubble
of energy where you protect yourself fromany negative energy, beyond the evil people

(01:27:16):
that can surround you. I've started doing that and I' ve
been very helpful with meditation in general. Beyond that, I have also learned
to protect myself with different symbols andput it in measure beyond San Benito,
which was something that I had forgottenbecause as children we had become beautiful in

(01:27:45):
my house when I was a boy, and I don' t remember if
from a magazine predictions I had pulledout of the prayer to San Benito,
but I went to the dark cornersof my house and prayed them and after
they had made us beautiful. Imean, I know they made us cool

(01:28:10):
because they had left us things underthe door. Three days in a row
one day they were feathers. Oneday it was cemetery land, because we
found black soil under the door,we say who threw a pot here.
We didn' t give him anyballs. The next day they were black
hen feathers that were like hen's piles because they had the hen'

(01:28:36):
s pieces of meat from some feather. We say what it is that a
cat ate a hen here and onthe third day they were cemetery candle.
It was the bait of the cemeterycandle, like it melted completely on the
plate. So he had that kindof record. I was split half and

(01:29:00):
I had six crosses, three outof every half and, well, someone
hated my family. I don't know what damage that would have done
to us and your family said theretoo you' re paid or not at

(01:29:21):
all, for nothing, we've all been pretty scared. I remember
we just realized they were cool whenwe saw Vela' s bait the days
before, we hadn' t reallynoticed. But with the latter we have
tied it up and that day mybrother remembers that he put it in a

(01:29:45):
bag with vinegar and has gone tothe Church and left it at the door
of the Church, to the bagof that one because they said that that
was what had to be done toremove that evil of enzyme or to throw
it into a very large god,of course, but what we had near

(01:30:11):
was the Church. Anyway, wherewas the bride in a band? The
thing is, I learned that bypraying the prayer to St Benedict, who
was taught to my daughter recently andusing protective symbols, things that I have

(01:30:32):
tattooed right now. And that's where the Tetra Great Killer, who
I don' t know if youknow the clear symbol, yes, yes,
yes, well it was writing TetraGreat bully with the blue pickle in
his right hand and lying down tosleep to protect you during sleep. That

(01:30:55):
' s what comes to suck yourenergy. The thing is that at this
time, after cutting off with her, I have several paralysis of sleep,
more among them one where I wakeup again little up and look towards my
feet and there was a group ofpeople. This group of people was like

(01:31:19):
a cult that they were but theywere people dressed as normal people, they
weren' t hooded people in redrobes, blood red, because my imagination
might have been careful with production,but they weren' t people dressed in

(01:31:42):
normal clothes. And what I wastrying to do to these people, which
was to put the soul of awoman who had died, which was a
soul of a woman who was amember of her sect, who wanted to
put it inside me. So I, as emboldened, say no, this
is not going to happen. Iforce myself, let go, and I

(01:32:04):
wake up. This one of allthe paralysis of my life. That'
s the third one who' shad a situation. Let' s say
where I' ve seen, things, where I' ve heard, things

(01:32:25):
because the others were just paralysis andnothing else. And there' s the
fourth one. The fourth one islike turning all the esoterics of my life
around. He throws it away becausein my fourth sleep paralysis with a special
situation, I was lying down againlike I wake up face up and look

(01:32:51):
to my left and there was inthe middle of the room a ninja dressed
in black cash that was making ninjaposes towards me, but not in a
threatening way and it was something veryfunny. In fact, I laughed at

(01:33:12):
that moment watching that, and that' s when I woke up with no
force and nothing traumatic. Then youtell me all the paranormal things that can
be, what this comedy that justhappened to me has been. So everything
else that' s happened to mebefore is just a hallucination that my head

(01:33:40):
chooses to turn into something terrifying.Or don' t I know that'
s not him? It' smy lifelong doubt. My question, is
it him, is this or isn' t it? By the way,
when I got over the goblin thingwhen I got over the ghost kid thing,

(01:34:02):
I didn' t feel scared atall. I' ve been feeling
totally calm. I didn' tfeel any threat. I think that'
s valid to clarify, because itusually comes with a series of feelings when

(01:34:25):
you have a paranormal and good eventand it means whether it' s bad
or good what' s happening toyou not if or if the entity is
bad or good. Sure will doabout twenty- three years capable. Now
it' s been in my house, in the apartment where we lived.

(01:34:50):
It was a very big apartment thatwas above a bakery and it was falling
apart. We lived four pers mybrother and two friends and used. My
brother was studying cinema and they constantlyused that department to film short films,

(01:35:14):
for the film school the practical worksand I helped in what I could because
I loved being in there. Andone day, my brother is going to
get a team, I don't know where and I' m in
charge of the house. I hadthe key to open and close the door
to whoever came, because I hadto come and go people all the time.

(01:35:39):
It was always full of people therein the house. The thing is,
at one point I go up tothe terrace because they send me to
find a team that they had lefton the terrace and when I go up
it was six o' clock inthe afternoon. He was still a guide.
But in the distance between buildings awhite ball and a ball of light

(01:36:03):
that changed the color of yellow white. It was a big ball of light
and I don' t know abigger car. I can' t dimension
at that distance, but it wastoo big flying between buildings. The thing

(01:36:26):
is, they were just ringing thedoorbell, and from below they were yelling
at me to open the door.They yelled at me and they yelled at
me and I didn' t knowI' m gonna open the door for
you, or I' m gonnawatch this. The thing is, they
yelled at me so much that Iwent downstairs to open the door. I
went back up and there was nothing, of course, but it was crazy
and it was similar to that ballof white fire you saw when you were

(01:36:50):
about eighteen years old. Or no, no, no, no, this
was a round thing, very perfect, like a very smooth ball, very
round, very perfect. The otherwas something that was on fire. Sure,
I understand a meteorite, a brokendomni in anything, but it wasn

(01:37:12):
' t even a clear tail.It' s not really because I'
ve seen him head- on.I haven' t seen him in line.
It was like he was coming straightat me. It wasn' t
like you see a comet, forexample, sideways and they see the tail.
Anyway, there I get mixed up, I get mixed up with ghosts

(01:37:38):
with aliens. That' s whathappened to me in that apartment that,
curiously now I live. Twenty yearslater, I live in an apartment that
is right in front of that minethat I can see from here, from

(01:37:59):
here, the one where I livedbefore it is now abandoned. And weird
things happened, too, and mostof all, my sister, when she
was living with us. This onethat I remember once he was showering and
banging on the door and she wasvery angry, she was already going because
she had a bad relationship with theguys that you lived with us and when

(01:38:25):
she came out, she realizes shewas alone. Once it happens that a
friend is going to stay and wefucked up and told all the people who
come here, to all the newones and something happens to them. We
were saying yes to us, yes, he was really laughing. Don'

(01:38:50):
t laugh at everyone who comes here, something happens to him the first night.
Don' t laugh,' causeit' s gonna happen to you
like this, let him fuck off. The thing is, they' re
going to sleep. I stay onthe computer evolving and it cuts the light
and I sit there like when Iwas playing Sonic Three as a kid and

(01:39:14):
I listen boy So and I listento my friend who lived with me,
what' s wrong with you?What' s wrong with you? Chango,
what' s wrong with you?Then I go to the room,
open the door and say what happens. And they call me postponed. Says
this friend who screwed up, whotold him something was gonna happen to him.

(01:39:34):
Yeah, I' ve been touchedand he says what' s gotten
into you. Janito Pria how welaughed and laughed to this day, I
imagine, but he taught I wasconvinced that someone had done something to him.
Yes, I was very convinced thatthat had happened to her and she
wasn' t a young woman.But to me or nothing, no,

(01:39:56):
no, no, not at allthis one because he was lying in the
other bed and also happens in thesame house, in the same room,
it happens that my friend was sleepingwith the bride and one night he wakes

(01:40:19):
up and sits in the bed andwhen he looks at her, the bride
was covered in bare rats, bloodyand he starts beating him to get the
rats off of him and she wakesup very angry and says chas son of
a bitch. Then I' msorry. I' m fucking with you.

(01:40:43):
No, it' s okay.It' s not a good thing.
The thing is, the next daythey' re going to go to
a church to talk to a priestand see if he could tell them something
about this subject and the priest hasspoken to one side. He told Benny

(01:41:03):
bent this is her fault. Whydoes he tell you, because they live
in Sin. You told him ahyou told my village gone has offended.
The answer was too Catholic, ofcourse for his taste. Then they talked
to a healer and told them thather ex- boyfriend' s sister had

(01:41:27):
made them a cool what, welllet' s know if he was or
wasn' t. But, well, that was another strange thing that happened
in that same department. But she, beyond what he perceived, what he
saw, nothing happened to her initself, no, no. No.
Not her, she didn' tknow what was going on. Of course

(01:41:55):
this you there, if we getto my thirty years, about that time,
it passes me from having these hallucinationsthat I find out, that they
are called tnagogic and hypnopompic, thatchange their name only because some have them
when you are waking up and theothers have them when you are sleeping.

(01:42:17):
And what I saw with my eyesclosed was like mandalas, like a kaleidoscope,
so many colors and it was somethingbeautiful to see and a beautiful feeling
of peace that gave me and Islept or woke up. So that'

(01:42:40):
s happened to me many times andit' s like over the years it
' s happened to me again veryslightly. But not like at the time
I don' t know what shothim, I don' t know,
I don' t know why ithappened to me. But, well,

(01:43:00):
I haven' t happened again,at least not to that extent. Of
course there at thirty and something happensto me that once we were with my
friends and my brother on my brother' s terrace doing a choripañada and I

(01:43:25):
was looking at the sky, becausewhenever I look at the sky, I
see something since children, because alsoas a child I am very fascinated by
the sky and the stars and seeit seen it by satellites passing fleeting stars.
I had a dictionary, but Iremember that I had constellation maps and

(01:43:48):
then with that dictionary and I startedlooking up at the sky and the dictionary
to see how to compare and Iidentified constellations. Well, the thing is,

(01:44:10):
this thing about seeing things in heaven. I don' t think I
' m kind of chosen to seethings in the sky, but I'
m actively looking at the sky sothat waiting for them to appear. I
think anyone who pays attention to thesky long enough is gonna be there,
too. But people usually don't. And, well, I have

(01:44:33):
a friend who just that night wasn' t there, but one of that
group of friends tells me because wheneverwe met him and we were on a
terrace at some point and I wassaying look, look, and there was
that weird moving thing, that littlestar that moves erratically, that it'

(01:44:56):
s not a satellite, clearly andhe was saying no type to me.
I don' t go up onbonus ras anymore. And well, that
night that I was with my friendsand my brother both looking and looking in
a moment I say there and everyonelooks and it was this ball of white

(01:45:19):
light that went out and it litup above a building, it was almost
as big as the roof of thebuilding and it was going away very slowly
and it went off and it litup very slowly. And so they were
leaving for a few seconds until itfaded into the dark. And there I

(01:45:42):
finally have witnesses of something I haven' t seen alone. And, well,
it was the ball, that ballof white light that I had seen
in the filming of the short onethat time only this time I wasn'
t with capable yellow that gets yellowby day. I don' t know

(01:46:04):
what your friends' reaction is,what your brother' s telling the truth.
He' s been pretty poor.It' s been like a yes,
it' s been like a lookyou' re clear it' s
gonna be so we' ve followedit, yeah, without anyone taking it

(01:46:27):
as what events it hasn' t. And of the four we were there,
one said goes I haven' tseen. No, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no. Looks like he didn'
t know how to follow his fingerwhen he was never pointing at him.
I knew well, where to look. Apart from that at about the same
age, I happen to be workingas an interpreter in a hotel in the

(01:46:51):
hot springs to do the dactar thatI have been in the Dakar teams staying
at the hotel and they did notspeak in Spanish and in fact, they
were not native English, either becausethey were French. There were Japanese,

(01:47:14):
but the thing is that I wasstaying in the house of the person who
had gotten me the job, andthe house was very very old and it
was like an apartment building, likethe neighborhood of the Chavo, which had
a door and you came in andit was a very large courtyard that had

(01:47:35):
the apartments down and apartments upstairs anda roof like that, a single second
floor and well, had a weirdway the apartments and this was an entrance
that was a small dining room livingroom. Hence a hallway where the kitchen

(01:47:56):
was. And that hallway was spreadingbut about 20 meters where there were three
rooms, that is, three doorsto the rooms and at the end of
the whole bathroom, the thing isthat one night I was alone there waiting
for him to pick me up totake me to the hotel. I was

(01:48:17):
having dinner, sitting right next tothe hallway and cutting the light and already
with light and all that apartment mademe uncomfortable, because it' s that
thing that old houses have, thatmakes you feel that discomfort. This is

(01:48:39):
the thing is that when you cutthe light, you looked into the hallway
and it was that darkness, butso dim that you didn' t get
a drop of light, that itwas like solid the thing I say no.
No, no, no, no. I' m going to sit
here and I' ve gone andopened the window to the ffura, because

(01:49:00):
it was these veneer windows that didn' t seem to open for a decade,
which had very small balconies. ThenI opened his strength, put on
a chair and sat on the balconyso I wouldn' t be alone in
the dark. And, well,I' m looking at the sky.
It was full of people, allsitting on the sidewalk because the court was

(01:49:28):
general and well, music was heard. And good. The thing is,
looking at the cloudy sky I suddenlysee what I looked like at the time

(01:49:50):
I thought it was like Batman's ship with the lights on, but
it was like a boomerang that hadseven little lights. Put or capable that
there were seven individual lights flying inthe form of b but well, so
passing through the clouds that little lightand when they are finished leaving, it

(01:50:14):
came back to light. It wasrelated one thing to the other. I
have no idea, I had nowitnesses there to say I' m not
hallucinating. This is clear, butwell, that' s the fourth omni
of my life, a fourth omnithat we say relevant and great, because

(01:50:40):
the others are always these weird starletsthat don' t happen to no greater
than that which can be confused witha satellite always or with anything else.
And that' s where he's good. We saw in the new
year with my daughter from the balconywe went out to see fireworks that did

(01:51:05):
not see any and we have seentwo stars that I don' t know
constellation is given, but they aretwo stars that are always together and this
time there was a third. ThenI look at her and she starts moving
very slowly to the front and we' ve seen the two of you until

(01:51:25):
she' s gone missing. Obviously, when we said that, they said
ah that' s an aerotactic balloon. In the answer of my family,
always so logical, of course,but well, there I can say that
we have seen my daughter' sfirst omnico and from there it has happened
to me that I see. I' ve recently seen twice that I'

(01:51:49):
ve gone out on the balcony likethis looking for nothing. I' ve
seen it' s like a littlestar blinking once, and I' m
seeing it twice. Once when Iwent out to the balcony, I looked
no further and how the weather was. And again I sat on the balcony

(01:52:12):
because the light had been cut offtwo very common lights cuts in Tucumán,
in the North in general, becauseyou cut it in Santiago. And the
other time that time I saw thatlittle star again that you blink that I
don' t know what. Well, technically it' s an omnis,

(01:52:38):
since it' s an unidentified flyingobject, so it counts as ognia and
that' s where you asked meand that' s where we got to
it. You were wondering if anythinghad happened to me at the house where
I live. Now it turns outthat one day I was in my mom
' s room, we were bothstanding there talking and she was telling me

(01:53:01):
that she was worried about something andI don' t remember anymore that the
thing is that the little light tablenext to her bed, that was next
to her, she' s kindof dragged two centimeters like that and I

(01:53:24):
haven' t even noticed it,I haven' t paid attention to her.
She has kept talking and I don' t know how a minute after
she finishes talking she says ay hasmoved the light table and, of course,
I' ve noticed the movement,I' ve heard the noise,
but as I saw it, it' s next door I say I don

(01:53:46):
' t know. I didn't give him any importance It was like
he leaned on her. I don' t know, but she hadn'
t posed and she' s noticedit and she says it later then I
tell her yes, if I've noticed it. The thing is,
that light table isn' t sofull that it' s heavy. It

(01:54:12):
' s hard, but it's hard to move and my mom'
s an eighty- year- oldlady, she can' t move anything,
so she hasn' t even movedher aside, she' s moved
towards her, not the other wayaround, so that' s what happened
here. We don' t knowwhat it is or why. But I

(01:54:32):
have a bitch and the bitch hasn' t had any hostile reaction to anything
in the house. If I assumethere' s nothing wrong with the house,
you have to be afraid of it. Sure, well, it'
s also good in part that youdidn' t have the reaction that when
your daughter told you uy. Isaw myself in my health you told him

(01:54:53):
ah, no, mom, you' re talking macan. They passed you,
he said when he won. No. No, very well, no,
no, no, as well asyou said. No, yeah,
I believe you I saw how Isaw it. No, no, and
I' m trying not to dothe same to my daughter. That was
going to ask you bus that madeyou name clear and how old your daughter

(01:55:15):
is. Thirteen years now and shehas experiences, so she' s told
you. Yeah, he told methat it happened to him recently at the
mother' s house. I thinkit' s also happened here once I
' ve seen it as a shadow, as a bit of anger, and
I have my friend who always comeshere to the house who also tells me

(01:55:41):
that she sees something big that shecan think of as me, which is
like I don' t roll over, but as if I were from a
parallel universe, yes, yes,as if they overlap, the universes overlap

(01:56:02):
at some point and it' slike I appear to her. That'
s why he doesn' t feelany threat. Sure, he doesn'
t feel any threat in the presencesLook at you, well, and now
I' m with the idea thatyou had when you saw the baby.
It' s in that apartment thatyour sister was moving in. Of course,

(01:56:24):
the goblin. Of course, yes, of course the key. Yeah,
I remember my daughter asking me abouther a while ago. I was
wondering if what paranormal things I'd seen and told you a couple of
things and I' ve never wantedto tell you about the ghost boy so
he wouldn' t suggest. And, well, now he' s gonna

(01:56:44):
listen to it in podcast form,okay, but that' s where my
paranormal stories ended. I have otherpeople' s stories, but I can
no longer contact them in any goodway. Just like it' s always
happened to me. Now you cansay it' s infallible. They haven
' t removed that mark yet.But every time someone starts an interview saying

(01:57:05):
no, because my stories are quiet, because I listened to the podcast and
the stories are gruesome and my littlebit always ends up being tremendous, because
you started with ghost, with astraltrips, with premonitory dreams, with nightmares,
with sophological questions. I mean,you' ve had experiences of all

(01:57:28):
kinds and quite strong. Let metell you so I don' t know
what else you expect to happen untilyou saw a girlfriend, a band.
You don' t lack good,but for me I' m small.
I don' t see it thatbig, because I swear to you listening

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to your podcast, I hear thesepeople like Mr East who was having that
accent to me right out of thefield, who said that if the aliens
had taken it and I' veseen them from afar, no more have
they taken it and given it andI don' t know if one of

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the first chapters. Yes, Ithink it refers to Luis, who tells
of the experience in the valley ofthe cutters, which are two episodes,
that he tells us that yes,yes, it seems to me that yes,
that he is with the friend.It' s septic, that of
course exact, no, or hewas the skeptic and the friend was the
one who believed and in the endended up growing both, just as he

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did. Not good. I believethat except to see you were even a
crossroads on the way to make offerings, or you should see if you lack
anything to live. Yeah, it' s not one of the best ideas,
but life would say I don't recommend it. I don'
t say because after this thing,that this discomfort that I have lasted years

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later, I don' t knowif it will be for that, but
better keep away from the crossings onthe way, beyond the recommendations, not
from your personal experience, really evenlived above a cemetery. You found bones
there, you' re not missinganything. I have a picture with an
omni that you can say is alittle pigeon that was passing right in front

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of the camera lens. But wellit counts as picture with omni, because
climbing hiking here in a very niceway of the hill. When we got
to the top. I took thepicture with the sign that says the name

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of the place that is the gateof the sky, and the sky was
extremely clear. All blue, therewas neither a cloud nor anyone paragliding anywhere.
And in the picture comes a blackspeck that, as I say,
you can say that it is alittle bug passing through the lens, but
it already counts as my photo witha so I stay as clear as it

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looks what crazy good and all thatyou lack to live, because you have
thirty- nine years, no more, so able, that those or stronger
that you are waiting for will cometo you. I want to believe that
I have about forty more years ofexperience left, at least I hope ah
but I' m missing one.You' re saying no, please,

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what cuts or no missing one,because of the astral trips I had I
had three and they were two unintentionally. It has been these situations that I
do not know have awakened them toabsolute fear or absolute happiness. And in

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the third, already investigating, atthat time they worked in a video club
and had a lot of time orfart. Then I spent researching whatever it
was, but at that time Iwas with the paranormal things and particularly investigating
astral trips, because I already knewwhat had happened to me and wanted it

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to happen to me again. ThenI began to meditate a lot, looking
for and have a connection with this. Well, with these soterical things.
On the other hand, and Iremember on one night, after having meditated

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for a long time, asking myguide, whoever he is listening to,
to please let me have an astraljourney. Help me have it. And
the thing is, I' mgoing to sleep. At one point I

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woke up and felt that I wasvibrating my whole body, which was what
had happened to me in the twoprevious astral trips, which I missed that
detail. It happened to me inthe first when I felt cold feet this
one and felt the whole body vibratingjust like a little bee like that and

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I say good. Now I'm gonna float out and not go out.
And I didn' t go out, I didn' t go out
and I say good. Let's see how I move I get up,
sit in bed and say good.On the count of three. I
' ll open my eyes, one, two, three. I opened my
eyes and saw nothing, except fora very small lanurite, through which golden

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light entered as if it were lookingthrough a blind. There was a very
strong golden light coming in. Thething is, I realize that what my
eyes were still open was my body, so I wanted to sort of separate

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myself from the whole body so Icould open my eyes. The thing is,
that' s how far I goto the balcony in the room.
I support myself. On the balconyI remember feeling the fresh outside that I
say I think I jump, Itake off on the balcony, what I

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do, I follow, you don' t see, so I throw myself
and wind up on the sidewalk.I don' t know. The thing
is I say good, because yourbody there or not, as I saw
very little and nothing through the tanuriteand saw shapes and lumps in the room.
I think I saw my body,but I didn' t see anything
defined. I saw that everything wasbathed in this golden light and I remember

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if I moved the chair that wasfull of clothes in front of the balcony
door so I could open the eastdoor. The thing is I say well,
if I' m gonna do this, I' m gonna do it
right. I' m not goingdown the balcony, so I sit in

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bed and try to open my eyes. The thing is, you try it
once, I try it again,I try it again, and I open
my eyes. But in my bodyin bed and there I say ups that
I come down. Well, itdoesn' t matter, it' s
okay. If I' ve doneit once, I' ll do it

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again. And the thing is thatthe next day I started to research and
found this page on astral trips thatwas written by a woman that she had
experienced many in her life, thatshe had managed to control and that was
like a compilation of experiences of manypeople and there was on the page there

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was a section of frequently asked questionsand among the frequently asked questions was astral
blindness. Then I say this iswhat had happened to me. I looked
at him and said that the wayto remove astral blindness was simply to get
far enough away from the body andthere he wanted to kill me. The

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thing is, I' ve hada really bad time, because the experience
has been very beautiful and I can' t repeat it again. It'
s been a great frustration in mylife, because I' ve spent a
lot of time trying to do itagain. But, as I was already
frustrated by this and by many thingsin general, I have not been able

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to meditate again as I meditated before. Let' s say, I haven
' t been able to meditate well. There are always intrusive thoughts in my
head that do not let me achievethat connection that I had had at that
time and well, I have neverbeen able to achieve it again over time.
That' s been like a lovebreakup, because I' ve needed

(02:06:25):
a lot of time to leave itbehind and say good is already at some
point. I' m gonna getit back. It' s not the
time now. My head isn't in that place so I can do
it. But I' ve reallysuffered from not being able to do it

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again and the fact that all Ihad to do was get away from the
body, which I haven' tdone, which I haven' t encouraged
myself to do. But, well, I' m passing already, really
crazy, really crazy that I findthat just one day after I' m

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clear, yeah, the truth,yeah, yeah, well, the experience
also led you to that search,not that spot search. There wasn'
t. I didn' t googlethat particularly, but it was right on
the page that was clear. Iunderstand well, but good at the same
answer as before. Perhaps at somepoint, if you keep insisting and practicing,

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you will experience something like that againor not and if you don'
t do it for something it willalso be no. The truth. I
don' t know and I thinkit' s going to happen, but,
well, let' s say Ihave those forty years yet to do,
of course, of course. Ithink I' m gonna be able
to get out and there I'm gonna download information like neo into Matrix.

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I' m going to wake upknowing how to play the violin or
something, speaking German, without havingstudied a single day, because that'
s what I think, that Ican make go from the other side,
where is all the information of theuniverse that are the supposed records here hicos

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and download them, as well aspdf to the file in my head being
able to say it would be good. I don' t know pros what
I imagine I want to do wellperfect. Well, actually, I loved
the interview. I apologize for theinterruption that went out of my mind.
He' s okay, but I' ve felt identified with a lot of

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things you' ve told me,at least the way you live them,
and nothing was super entertaining to me. The truth is, I' ve
been flying my time, and Iappreciate what. Good for trust. Well,
I' m glad you took itthat way, and good thanks to
you for giving me the space totell my crazy stories. The truth is

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that you don' t always findears arranged as you usually see the answer
being screwed up. Yeah, yeah, totally yeah. Yes And in fact,
also that attitude towards these things iswhat leads to them being half taboo
subjects and that are usually taken forthe chacota, so to speak, not

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as some clear topic, yes assas ah you are talking for a ford
or you are making me now clear, you keep it all your life until
you find your ears willing and fromthere it is not for any more that
is happening to me. So Irealize that I keep talking and that the
other person is looking at me,as well as saying that I opened you,

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that I made opening this door.And it' s like I get
excited a lot and I start anddramatize the scene and I act out the
characters. That' s because you' re not seeing me now. It
' s been a single story,because if you don' t, no,

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but it' s great and especiallyfor the podcast, because you'
ve done sound effect voices all sospectacular. They' re going to entertain
all that I hope so. Well, Rodrigo sent you a huge hug and
thank you so much again anyway andlet me know when I hear it,
give it, give it, hownot if I warn you when I hug

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out a hug that you' reokay. Good evening, I hope you
enjoyed as I did this interview thatreally, as I told you in the
beginning and told you ahead, wehave made a long journey through paranormal issues
and if you liked this content,you can leave it in the comments on
the YouTube channel, on social networks. If you have stories to share,

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as I always tell you, contact, write privately, leave a message and
tell me lue I have something totell and there I will be contacting you
to coordinate an interview or, ifyou prefer, send audios of whatsapp.
That' s up to you.Now, if I say goodbye, my
name is Lucil al Strange and we' re listening to each other in an

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upcoming episode of Argentinian myths and legends.