E12 T4 El Fantasma del abuelo

Episode Transcript

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Everyone be welcome once again to thispodcast of Argentinian myths and legends. My
name is to wear the Stransh andwe are already passing the fourth season of
this podcast, which continues to growand we continue to be more and more
people and, fortunately, more andmore people who are also encouraged to share

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their experiences. Today I bring youan interview of a listener named Damian who
came to share a story, inparticular with an ending that I will not
spurn them, do not be frightened, but I assure you that they will
like it and they will be veryinterested, because there is a little thing
there that is very interesting, becauseI have not heard it in other interviews

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and neither in other testimonies outside ofthis podcast. So you guys who like
it as much as I do,these paranormal issues like that. I'
m sure they' ll be interested. In addition, he also shared other
stories, but there' s astory that feeds the image and name of
this particular episode, so they're pretty much getting an idea of what
' s going on and here.I ask you a favor for those who

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are more frequent to use social mediathan if you are listening to this episode
and you feel like and drink andhave good vibes in stealing, making a
screenshot, taking a photo, whateveryou are doing and stealing good here listening
to Argentinian myths and legends, becauseI will be sharing it on the networks.
But also and the main goal ofthis is to continue to grow and

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continue to grow this community that,fortunately, we are increasingly and the idea
is to reach out to more peopleto encourage them to share their experiences.
And this podcast continues to have episodeswith its paranormal and personal experiences. Hey,
hey, how you doing, Damian, how' s Lucidas doing?

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All right, you' re good, all right, we' ve got,
well, I' m glad you' re where you are. I
' m in Bisurquiza right now.Ah well, Federal Capital. Yeah,
yeah, lin Lindo, neighborhood,yeah, my childhood neighborhood. I was
born here. Then I went good. Now he played peeping around. Ah

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very well, I think, verywell. It' s good to be
back. Well, the truth is, it' s not what it was
at the time anymore, but,well, nothing stops being. Nice to
see you, and above all,if you spent your childhood there, of
course. Yeah, yeah, it' s much more urbanized now, more
building. Yes, exactly. Personallythat much, I don' t get

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it, but well, well,that' s it. The life of
the city is exactly like that.Progress cannot be denied, no, not
totally. And you' re soold. I' m thirty- five
years old, well, perfect,yeah, so in a little bit and

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add up one more, good rightnow thirty- five. Good, good.
And the stories you' re goingto tell me are from there from
Bisurquiza. It' s not whenI was here at the time, but
this actually happened in Villa Martelli.I don' t know if you place
it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They are to the north there is

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fence of what this Hignópolis today.Yeah, so it' s actually one.
The rest of what I could getyou to chat. In reality they
would not be experiences of their own, but the reality is that in my
case it was always a subject thataroused certain interest from very young. I
used to hang out with friends atnight and have a drink and talk about

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experiences or talk about it. Yousaw the paranormal phenomena and if you think
there is life on another planet,then one thing was leading to another.
And, well, always from theguy I had an interest in. But,
in my case, I only hadone experience and the rest can get

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you to chat, but already fromfriends those chat nights, to be able
to share some with you. Butof course it' s nothing more than
that. Well, let' sgo with your story, then let'
s go with mine. Well,nothing would start trying to put you in
context, not only to you,but also to those listeners who share this

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taste for these themes. As Iwas saying, well, in my case
it happens in what is the neighborhoodof Villa Martelli. Year two thousand six,
well, I lived here with myfamily, my family made up of
my mom, my dad, welived in the same apartment where I'
m talking about now. I waseighteen years old at the time nothing,

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two years old before, two yearsold and coins before all this happened,
my whole grandmother the war, aCD makes it look like it leaves her
from my plegic, that is,it paralyzes half of what the granny body
is, which is maternal, myonly old daughter. It' s a
good thing. Because of this situation, we decided to move to their home,

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which is the one left in VillaMartelli, because, well, we
lived in a two- room apartment. He' d give us to get
her to come over here. Theylived in a much wider house. They
had room for everyone. Well,in question, we decided to go there
until, well, my grandmother kindof stabilized, started with what kinesiology was
and so forth, let' ssay my heart- operated grandfather. Everything

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that was wrong did so, thatis, it was by profession garrafero,
that is, it was strong,which is contra- indicated for what is
an operation of what is heart.He was already transplanted, then addicted to
alcoholic cabbage and smoked, so nothinghad all the cons. To give you

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the idea that for a person alreadysixty- something years old in those conditions,
to take care of what was thehouse with all the expenses that it
entailed and not only that, butalso his wife in that state, well,
nothing question. We went that way. It stabilized, we were a

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little bit late, a year,a year, a year, a year,
a coin and then, when wesaw more or less than the things
that were right, we came backhere and my old lady every week was
going to take care of her andnothing made them food and so on.
I gave my grandfather time to goout to work and well, and she
took care of what my grandmother was. I question that one night on the

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phone was my grandfather that well,as several called us to know how we
were. He wanted to talk tome I had more important things to do
than watch TV and I refused totalk to him. I signaled her,
made my old lady look like shewasn' t there. I didn'
t want to talk about this thanthat. The point is, the next
day the phone called again rings thatalthough it wasn' t atypical, it

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startled me, i e, whyI tell you, because to see mid
- morning it wasn' t aweird thing to ring the phone at home,
but I woke up already. Iopened my eyes, I was attentive
and well, I listened to myworried old lady you looked good. We
' re taking it there that's the other good thing in question.
We went up to what was aremix and went to my grandparents' house.

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The call was my grandmother who toldmy old lady that well, my
grandfather had decompensated, that he waslying in the kitchen. By the time
we got to their house, thesituation was had just arrived at what was
the ambulance. We tried to makehim rsp It couldn' t be good,

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a matter that my grandfather died inthe kitchen of his house. They
had risen in the morning, onthe day of the mother face Colmo in
street no minor, he had risen, he had greeted him. My grandmother
was making the desaiphone and she collapsed. Well, this whole situation again makes
us live there again, take careof my grandmother. Again we moved and

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well, they started to pass certainthings, like for example, I,
since I spoke that it was bulldozerin eighteen years, it was no meme
I mean, I understood a lotof things already and you had to ask
a little question there. You guysare moving into your grandmother' s with

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her in the same house. Theywere, yes, in the same house
where they lived, where my grandfatherdied, where at the time we had
already moved. Again we went backthere and there who was, besides your
grandmother. No, in this casemy grandmother, my mom, my dad
and me. Ah well, mygrandmother on the ground floor and I slept

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in the room that at the timehad been from my mom' s adolescence
and before that adolescence of my oldlady, I had slept from her grandmother.
Well, well, well, whyI' m making this comment,
because it was kind of creepy.Yes, yes, the old house already
gives me part. Yeah, yeah, yeah, old house. I don

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' t know at the moment itmust be a little bit more in ninety
years. My old people keep comingin there, taking care of my grandmother,
so yes, yes, old house, not one thing that we'
ve been hanging around a house likethat fell apart, but yes with no.
It was very modern to say clear, clear, well, as I

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was saying, it was a questionthat I had the habit out there of
wanting to escape a little dress asa teenager from my old ones. My
old men were finished eating and theywere coming up. My grandmothers were going
to bed and I stayed in thedining room watching tel until late you saw
or chatting with my friends. Orwhatever it was. But my escape was

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like the dining room, which wasthe bottom part that was a little isolated
from what was my grandmother' spiece and my old people' s piece.
The point is, I started tofeel like I' d watched.
I don' t know if itever happened to you or not, that
I don' t know what Iknow about boys. I was walking down

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the street and all of a suddenI was beginning to cover my ears and
I already knew if anyone was comingback had like that. I don'
t know. I don' twant to call it a gift because it
' s not a gift, butthat happened to me like all of a
sudden if it' s just Ifelt a way if I was suddenly accompanied

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at least from the ears you werelike I felt it, I felt like
some kind of buzzing or I wascovered up you saw there was a certain
presence. Well, similar things startedhappening to me. I no longer wanted
to sleep in the room because Ifelt watched. I talked it over with
my old man and told him totake a look. I know I'

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m big, I said, butit' s happening to me. This
thing that plays and the other thing. My old ball a lot. He
never hit me. My old ladylistened to me, but nothing had happened
until then, only that I feltwatched and good. You know, I
' m not my old lady,and my old man used to call me
good. Yeah, you can comein. I don' t know until

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then it was something to make himnormal then nothing. One night, for
example, being in the dining room, the dining room, there is a
step that unified what was the diningroom in one of the bathrooms, my

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grandmother' s piece and the kitchen, that is, that hallway unified all
those dining rooms, bathroom, pieceand kitchen and the armchair where I looked.
The TV was right there in thelittle door where I was seen from
that hallway, so I could lookat the hallway like you saw a lot

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I didn' t want to watch, but one night I was watching the
TV and suddenly I started to feelnoise like it was boots. Then a
child that sideways gave no. Okay. Now if I see her if I
don' t know what I know, my hairs would stop, that is,

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my head hairs. I tell youand I get goose bumps to this
day, but it was like Igot all the limes up. You saw
I don' t know how toexplain. I was getting like this,
you saw it on the skin withouta hen. Well, I said,
well, it must have been methat kept listening to him. Then I

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went down the TV volume and Ikept quiet, I looked like this,
I gathered strength and looked at thehallway. I didn' t see anything
strange, but I heard it againand they were boots and what happens to
me good, when I die,I die with boots on, that is,
I dressed like paradise and I woreit. I used to wear some

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Texan boots. I saw this guyas well as Texans. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, well, back then,you used a pretty rustic kind of
guy. He dressed like this inevery way to get dressed. Well,
they were that noise to those boots. I was alone on the ground floor,
my grandmother in her room with thedoor locked. Well, I said

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Grandpa, I turned off the TVI said I didn' t throw my
balls. I went up. Ikept feeling that feeling like I wasn'
t watching. I had a hardtime falling asleep the question I told my
old man one night after this episode. I didn' t explain, but
I said look Dad I' msorry in the soul. I put the
mattress in here I put the mattressnext to them. Yeah, well,

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you laugh, but I' membarrassed. I mean, the idea of
eighteen years ago was like it neverhappened before. You see, I didn
' t like to sleep for how, as I told you at the beginning
of the room, I had anold curtains, old smell of old,
you understand me, a little bristle, all kind of gloomy. See,
no, I mean no, Ifelt, I wasn' t there,

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it wasn' t my house.Then it was like you saw nothing the
things that didn' t add upgood. I understand I' m telling
you a good question. That nightI said look, I' m tired
and I' m going to sleephere. I can' t sleep at
all. I didn' t juiceyou from not at all. I fucked

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and I remember it was one nightand I remember I woke up. The
truth is, if I tell youthe right specific schedule, I' d
better say having it because I don' t remember it. It was early
in the morning. I was onthe first floor room of what my old
men were. I woke up,but as I woke up light, I

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sat down crying. I mean,it' s like you wake up all
at once. It' s notlike you opened your eyes and understood that
you woke up. I had anightmare. I remember. That nightmare was
that I had a little dog thatwas alive, a poodle like every poodle

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mucha saw, I wasn' ta guardian, but I heard some strange
noise and it' s not thatI barked at any boludé barked when I
really had to bark. It wasa question that the dream was that my
grandfather died with her in his arms, that is, both of them died.
That dream made me wake up sittinglike that in bed and I was

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already. I was crying, soI woke up crying. It' s
a question that when I woke up, I would open it to my bitch
at the foot of the bed andshe started staring at it, that is,
this very hallway that I told youwas on the ground floor, that

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I was building several rooms on theupper floor to a lesser extent, because
it was a little square. Itwas a very similar corridor, which also
meant the two bedrooms, a bathroomand the good staircase. He started looking
with the door open for the hallwayand started grunting and suddenly you saw me

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watching me waking up so it caughtmy attention. I look like this in
the hallway, I see nothing.I fell on my feet. I remember
turning my back down, covering myselfup, but I stayed awake and looking
up at the wall, it wasdoing at the back of the bed of

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what my parents were. Well,the blind' s slit reflected the light,
that is, it passed the lightand reflected on the wall. Yeah,
well, my bitch got a littlebit more intense. I stayed watching
what is the reflection of the lighton the wall and passes a shadow,

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a shadow with a human figure,that is torso head, that is,
what I saw was the torso.Obviously, I didn' t see the
legs, but I do remember.Patently having seen the shadow of what was
head and torso, I covered myselfmore and to fall asleep that window would

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be on your side or on theother side of the bed, not on
the other side, on the otherside of the bed. Oh, well,
that' s you, the lightrays. Let' s say they
went through the blind and there youthicken it exactly there it seems reflected in
the for a shadow, passing overcovering that light as if you passed by,

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walking ahead of the blind. Ofcourse, well, I fell asleep
now, I could get you thebitch, I would growl all over,
and your old men didn' tknow the claw was the bitch, yeah,
I mean, early in the morning. I wanted to wake my old
men up and I said" chepa," like when I saw this
like I tried to find some company. There was no case. My old

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man snored my mom or ball.Well, it' s a question that
when I did it in a situationand said, well, it' s
not mine, having had the experiencethat I told you when I was in
the dining room and so on,I said good. The best thing that
can happen to me right now isto cover me up and try to fall

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asleep again clear, but apart fromthat, you' d show off the
bitch' s confirmation. It's not like you were the bitch,
too. No. No, no, no, no, because I don
' t. If you ask me, when I wake up in that situation
crying for that dream that I alreadyfound strange, that it was like literal,
that is, I woke up asif I had a spring, that
is, I opened my eyes andsat suddenly crying. But if you ask

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me, I didn' t seeanything weird that caught my attention. It
wasn' t like I said,well, what nightmare was the dream and
the touch there I see that situationof my bitch talking fixed to the door
and how grunting you saw, yeah, well, I slept there was then

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I did my inquiries in the senseof good to see what could have happened?
I said to see what happens ifI came or first floor didn'
t pass any cars. You sawme wanting to find an explanation for things
that out there, to this day, don' t tend to, but
I said something has to have happened. My children were already lying down,
they didn' t get up.I didn' t hear the noise,

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because there in the province you heareverything. No car happened. Anyway,
I' m on the first floor. Well, the only thing that can
get you to cover the street lighton the light poles on the first floor
was to go ahead of what wasblind. You understand me. It can
' t be a bird. Hecan' t because, like I told
you, I saw a human figure, that is, a head and an

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intrusive, that is, a bird. It wasn' t gonna be.
But, well, it was tospend time doing the tests later, it
was to go ahead of that blind. Since then I have never felt anything
again, I have never felt observedagain. It changed me radically talking later

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in time. In some mates yousaw those mat talks and so on.
I was asking him how I alwaysgot my attention as I told you everything
that was paranormal and everything else,I' ve always been a grandmother.
Never has anything good happened to youand one afternoon talking to them, yes,
to my grandmother, for example,I felt that the floor in her

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room has a wooden floor, likeit crackled in the morning, she told
me when I was going to bed, I felt like I was crunching and
I felt like they were lying nextto the bed, that is, I
was not alone and I said whatyou were going Grandma got me. I
was telling her to rest and I' d rather sleep. My old lady

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tells me that, for example,being in the Haya kitchen, it touched
her shoulder and I thought she wascrazy. He tells me, but it
happened to me two or three timesthat I was in the kitchen and I
felt like I was being touched andturned around and there was no one you
saw. I thought it was youor Dad my old man. Not my
old man, for example, theynever say they' ve ever felt anything.

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But my old lady and grandmother didhave those experiences, of course,
and the wife and daughter aside,not exactly the wife and daughter. Well,
like to finish closing the story overtime, I was going to some
kind of witch. I tell you, little witch that I love her,

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she' s a friend. Sheconsiders her a friend. I met her
because my old lady, at somepoint in her life, started to frequent
her. He' s a personwho could be called Navident because he doesn
' t throw the cards at you. He' s not one of those
people who throw the cards at you. It' s a lady you'
re going to, for example,tell her your coscretus name and your date

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of birth. It' s alreadywritten down by a paper and suddenly he
starts talking to you. Okay.So, how did you see it,
yes, what does it say good. Back then I was wrong when I
had fought with a friend over awoman I had fought, he was my
best friend. I was sad theywere more. My old lady noticed.

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He realized that I was a littlelow and the day he told me come
he was going to accompany me.He told me and well, I fell
into a house, a waiting roomto put it as if it were an
inner courtyard of a house people sittingwaiting for me inside saw I said I
don' t know, I don' t know where I am, I

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don' t know what this is, I don' t know what it
means, etcetera, etcetera. Questionthat happened first to my mom told me
to wait for me and soon shecomes out and tells me bin and dam
my pass. She tells me andI had a good time going in I
find a lady. She greets methat this that the other one is like
when you go to a psychologist's office, from a doctor who desks
in the middle that she was sittinga part of the desk and in the

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boot was me. Then he askedme what my name was. He asked
me when I was born he wrotedown, as I tell you on a
paper and suddenly he started telling mea lot of things that I didn'
t even know old, that is, he started telling me how I felt
about why. Perhaps so yes,yes, until today that once a year,
today to visit her because it doesme very well as I go out

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renewed, it is like poor allthose energies. I think she should keep
them later, I hope she canlet them go. On the other hand,
in some way I don' tknow. But when I come in
I' m a person and whenI go out I feel like I weighed

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three kilos less question than we startedtalking about than this, it starts telling
me a lot of things. Well, that' s how I met her
and one of those times I wentto visit her came out and I told
her I could ask you a questionand she just said yes. I think
it' s the moth you wantedto ask me and how you wanted to
talk about your grandfather, not andI said yes. I want to talk
to you about my grandfather, andI' m starting to tell him this.

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And she closes her eyes without evermeeting my house and starts describing my
house. I mean, he says, close your eyes and he says,
well, he tells me your househas a hallway that links different rooms.
The hallway may have like a coloredfloor or go shapes, so ceramics have
shapes. I say yes, well, it went further to the bottom.

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It tells me in the background youhave a tree that is dry. I
told him, yes, I havea tree that' s dry. Well,
your grandfather told me he was inthat hallway, he tells me.
He tells me when he died asit was a death so sudden that he
didn' t expect it, thathe got up the morning thinking it was
going to be one more day andsuddenly, he felt like he had things

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to look forward to. He myseil wanted before he left to make sure
everyone was gonna be okay. Thenhe told me for a while, in
that limbo species that for people whoare believers, there exists somewhere where you
purge your sins. Or, well, I don' t know, or

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you make that kind of impaz untilyou reach a higher level. Well,
he was there, he tells me, he was there. I see him
in that hallway, he tells me, and he' s got your head
attached, and it automatically popped intomy mind when my hair stopped. Sure,
then nothing started telling me a coupleof things like that and well,

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that would be kind of like theclosing of the story that ever since,
since he managed, I mean,let' s say, I take it
as a goodbye that night that Igot up and I never saw him again
I and nothing else my old lady, neither my grandmother, either. That
was my experience, I mean,I saw nothing but a shadow. Yeah,

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I heard it was noises, butwell, nothing to this day.
Yes, yes, sorry, notto tell you that until today that left
me marked. Sure, I mean, I' m never gonna forget it
in my life. And well,not only that, but also the fact

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that I couldn' t have beenfired. You saw that night he called
earlier, that I had more importantthings to do. He dialed me it
was like the other day I sawhim lying on the floor and I had
to do the CPR then nothing.I' ll take this opportunity to thank
you for the space you' vegot here. I know you, like

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I told you in one of themessages. I' ve known you for
a little while. I started listeningto you more than anything. Sometimes when
you put me to sleep or Iput that on my headphones and I stay
in bed listening to some other chapter. I met you a little while ago.
I take advantage of thanking you forthe space you are giving to me
at this time, not only tome, but to the rest not,

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and good to take advantage also tosay that you saw. Sometimes it'
s difficult, but how important itis to try to take advantage of the
moments you saw that you always thinkthere' s going to be humaniana and
there are times that it' snot clear. So, my story left
me marked on that side totally yesand able that also the fact that you
lived that made you share, madeyou like behaving differently with these things.

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When someone wants to talk to you, well, you take it all and
you go and talk, you takeit with another importance, maybe not,
maybe not. But sometimes you haveto go through certain things, even though
the weird one sounds, and thereare times when you' re an artist
when they say you believe or burst, that is, there are things that
until you don' t experience themin your own flesh and sometimes it'

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s difficult. In my case,while I believed as I said, I
used to hang out with my friendsto count. I had a friend who
lived in Jujuy who we didn't see as long as when we saw
him, we all got lost.It was all for him. It was
the best beer for him, orit was all for him, and he

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told us stories for him that Idon' t know a lap. He
told us a story about the pomberitothat Grandpa had experienced another night and told
us a story about a goblin thathad happened to him, for example,
that I remember we were there,we kept that whole side listening to him

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and he said that one night andhe came back he was in Jujuy,
a precarious house with a background let' s say with a field behind what
the house was. I remember hesaid he came one night from a meeting
with friends that I wasn' tdrunk or anything. I did drink,
but I wasn' t drunk.He was already aware of what was going

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on and says that, for example, he came to the sleeping room that
he shared with his grandfather and thatroom had a window that opened to the
open field and always left it asit did not close at all. You
saw they left a little puppy openand he had dogs too, and he
says that the dogs were like crazythat started barking and that he caught the

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attention that I speak of a tibeof I don' t know thirteen fourteen
years with him, a thing betweentwelve and fourteen years with him and he
says that he came and looked athimself and looked out the window to see
why the dogs barked and caught hisattention. There were two trees and he
says it happened he sees pass fromone tree to the other. Just as

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walking you saw a little being witha human form, that is, two
legs, two arms, a headwith a kind of it describes it as
a little hat, as a bonnetlike the typical figure of Goblin, which
one knows well, he says hesees pass from one tree to the other,

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that figure that stays as saying,it cannot be and that of the
same tree where we say destiny,the tree of destiny where the Goblin ended
is re- appearing the mida andhe says that he panicked, closed the
curtain and went the persion. Thattells us and then how I know some

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more to tell you. That's where he can tell you It'
s the pomberito' s. Idon' t remember the textual. I
remember it was and it hadn't happened to him The grandfather who started
to listen had passed it He wasgoing to the middle of the mountain.
I don' t remember exactly whatwas going to be done, to collect

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some kind of not know if branchesor what. But he says Grandpa told
him that the matter of whistling.So when you start listening whistled that you
never had to answer it. Sureand well, nothing told us that I
was feeling it stronger every time andGrandpa says he sees it as something similar

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to what he told you. IfI tell you, I lie to you.
Now I don' t remember it, because it' s been a
long time, but it gets scared, gets back and starts walking fast.
But he who spoke half of whatwas a sort of mountain and still no
one around. So nothing. Idon' t know about that. There

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is another one that bites us nowalso a little bigger than the experience I
had with my grandfather. He'd be twenty- one, twenty-
two We used to hang on.To call it in one way or as
the seat of the house of thegrandmother of a friend who had passed away

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and recently was inside the entire inhabitedwith some furniture. The mother intended to
repair it, so he stole thebirds from the mother, which is not
clear, but we were leaving.The point is that it was half-
fuzzy, because, while it alsohad things that were old to give light

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to the mother when she left shecut off the light that was left in
what was the garash, we hadto go down to the bottom of everything
at one point, the point isthat until we got there it had to
be dark. Well, we weregiving the light that this thing and one
of those meetings we were on theterrace and I remember we heard the bell

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and it was a matter of lookingout at the little one. Let'
s just say to see what abell is, it was just one corner
and in front of the corner,that is, we got close and we
went to no one We branded theother corner. There wasn' t anyone

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running around like that, either.Well, we were left with a question
that we heard the tine again whileon the terrace, I say it was
a bell it was us. Well, it caught our attention that we'
d better get down, we said, and we went down. And it
' s a question that we couldn' t hear the bell downstairs, but
we started to hear it as ifit were steps from the ladder as well,

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and then it was an afternoon.We hadn' t had alcohol or
anything like that we were taking somemates, chatting about life and so on,
well, we heard like a fewsteps things that scared us. It
didn' t happen that way.That' s why I say my only
real experience that that kind of sayingis the one I told you about or
the one I told you about.This was like we got scared. We

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started listening to muiah things, weirdthings, we saw those nights coming down,
we didn' t cut the light. I remember, we opened the
door, closed and left. But, well, he had some history of
that house. Something had happened tohim or not. You don' t
know what we haven' t talkedabout because he later lived in that house

(36:15):
as far as I know or alreadyrefracted it, left it a little bit
more and went to live them,went to live the mom, he and
the brother and I never asked him, but at least he is also sharing
this kind of thing. You sawthe theme, they like it, it

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catches his attention, they' renot a song at all. It was
there, it was like we werea little dressed, we looked at each
other and we would have been leftwith that doubt, but internally it was
like the end we heard it andthe steps were like they looked real,

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but we let her die. Therewe said as if nothing happened the same
as he then lived in that carriage. You don' t have to be
here, either. Sometimes I hearsome other chapters that share with you of
people who already live somewhere where thesekinds of events are frequent and give it
to you and yes, yes,the truth, yes. But, on

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the other hand, when you're in the routine, which is like
you get used to it because youkeep going to work, what I know
to college depends on the person orcooking sleeping, it' s like you
have to do the same thing isa grub, but I think it takes
a lot more dimension just when you' ve already left that place and you

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tell someone else and their jaw drops, but at that point it' s
like you' re wearing it orat least you' ve got another.
You don' t want another one. You don' t have it.
Sure, you don' t haveanother one. Many say you have to
be afraid of the living and thedead. You saw. I don'
t think I' ll do anythingto you, but it shouldn' t
be nice. I don' tknow. I don' t know what
you' re asked to open andclose drawers or to be like other kind

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of phenomena you see not even talkingor when it includes or involves the little
ones, if there are little childrenin the house, that has a bad
time. Okay. There' sanother subject. And that' s where
I can imagine if, thank God, all wood so far, it never
happened to me. But yes,if it happened to me, I don
' t know. I guess it' s a few as you say it

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doesn' t fit you and alittle bit, and I understand that I
would start worrying about finding some otherhousing destination, because living like this a
long time, a little bit owesyou, that you should go crazy,
by calling it a bonnet. Sure. Yes, yes, yes, yes,

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I really liked the story you toldme about your grandfather in the beginning,
because you know that I kept thinkingthat remembering not only in all interviews,
but in the hundreds of thousands ofstories I heard of this style,
because she was always a fan ofthe subject and it' s the first
time I hear that when there's a situation like this, the next

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thing happens. No, I mean, you have a choice one, so
to speak, that they make somecleanness, that goes to someone, that
they do some kind of ritual andready From there it calms down. The
other is that nothing calms down,but that it gets worse and good other
things happen. And this is athird option that until now I had never
heard, which is to go toa medium and tell you in that period

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that he was like in that limbo, he could solve his earrings and rose
ready. It was like a processthat almost naturally came out just clear Yes,
yes, yes, and I don' t know if I' ve
solved all the earrings. She wassaying that she was worried, like being
a death, she was sorry thatshe wasn' t expecting it, like

(39:59):
he was still thinking, like shewas among us and, on the one
hand, she was worried that wewere all fine, that he sort of
left things in condition. I understandthat at some point I don' t
know if of my own volition orsomeone told him to come up here,

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but well he will have left thisplane or the intermediate plan. And yes,
I understand what you' re saying. Luckily, my experience, I
associate with himself, so I tellyou about this medium, Mamira that I
associate him with him and not toput him to a different entity, lest

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you go to another house and findyourself with a mind that it may be
that I, as the Cup Ilearned, associate him. That' s
why, even though it' sthe first time I' d pass you
and one day the truth that neverhappened to me again. But if today,

(41:04):
when I' m thirty- five, I tell you, if it
happens again, I think I'd take it another way. I'
m not telling you that I wouldn' t get the blood, or that
you saw yourself like this after solong living something that' s not normal,
or that you' re not usedto, but I think I'
d take it another way. But, yeah, yeah, I don'

(41:29):
t know, I saw, Idon' t know until it happens to
you, neither do you know it' s not clear, just like that,
well, nothing. Those are mystories. Well, actually, I
loved them. I really liked it. Thank you for sharing them by adding
to being not only a listener,but also now one who tells your experiences.

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It' s really good. Thatcheers up and good and I hope
you were comfortable that you enjoyed havingthis talk and, for my part,
the truth was a huge pleasure.I love to always listen to these stories
and today I code good how good. I' m just glad you told
stories where you shared a lot withfriends and well, right today we'

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re recording the friend' s day, so it' s encouraging those stoves
and those chats with friends are reallygood. I love them, I love
them. In fact, we've been scheduled for a long time now
that I' ve been wanting togo to victory. They tell you it
' s one of the places wherethe most sight is from omnis to sight
those things that are all there,but there is the Museum. Well,

(42:36):
I feel like making that exit withthem who also share this go stop somewhere,
eat some roast or something, spendthe night with that kind of talk,
with the broom in between or alittle wine, also take advantage to
go to visit what is the Museum. And well, the next day it

(42:58):
turns you plan exactly, at leastfor me. What else do you want
that you are well accompanied and enjoyingsomething that you like and that we like
in any case, that is sharedand I do not ask any more,
no, I do not care.I' m in the same as pleasant
as there is, so I'm glad and good and I hope you

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can fulfill it soon. I hope, well, well, I also send
you a very big hug, thatanother one is very well for you and
thank you for the space. I' m glad you liked it. Please,
thanks to you we look good ahi chochao chau. I hope you
enjoyed, like me, this interview. Thank you very much to all the

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listeners who are encouraged to share theirstories, their experiences in the first person
and are encouraged not only to interviews, but also, in some cases,
to send audios from Whatsapp and soonI will also be sharing some stories that
have been coming by mail. Forthose people who don' t want to
be interviewed or who give them alittle shyness or discomfort, maybe send audios

(44:06):
of whatsapp, so they have lefttheir stories in writing and soon I'
m going to put on, narrateand tell. I hope that you will
do justice, of course, tothese stories that are told by you,
but in this case they will benarrated by me and well, we will
look at one more format for thosepeople who share their stories, but do

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not encourage to put the voice,so I hope to represent them worthily from
now on. If you want tostay on the networks, you can find
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networks, not only to continue butto steal, as I told them before,

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but also to be alert, becausethat is where I will be warning
the living that are made by theYouTube channel also the different radio programs,
which I participate three times a week, in different programs with different columns on
mythology, on paranormal questions, onexperiences, on legends and all a little
bit. So there is a littlemore variety of this same topic, of

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this content to add and to continuesharing this kind of stories that so many
of us are passionate about. Ithank you so much for being on the
other side listening. I send themto a strong hug and we are listening
to each other watching oblivion in aforthcoming episode of Argentine myths and legends.

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My name is lucill al Stanche