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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, so imagine this. You wake up, maybe scroll through
your phone, and bam, there's huge headline screaming about the
assassination of a really prominent political figure. It sparks outrage, fear, confusion.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, it's that jolt, isn't it. You immediately think, what
just happened exactly?

Speaker 1 (00:17):
But what if? What if that news, that whole story
was just made up, completely chillingly fabricated.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Sounds like a movie.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Plot, But it's not hypothetical at all. It's precisely what
unfolded just this month, September twenty twenty five, sent like
genuine shock waves across the Internet. So today you and
I are taking a deep dive into this exact event,
the widespread online hoax claiming the death of conservative activist
Charlie Kirk. And our mission isn't just to recount what happened.

(00:47):
We want to really unpack who Charlie Kirk is, dissect
the incredibly detailed, fabricated narrative that spread like wildfire, and
then maybe most crucially, explore the bigger picture, the more
insidious implication of how this kind of dangerous disinformation gains traction,
why it feels so plausible right.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Now, yeah, why it works, even temporarily.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
We're going to show you how a digital lie can
become a very real world concern for all of us.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
And what's really insightful here, I think, isn't just the
well the audacity of the lie itself. It's what it's
rapid spread that details in it reveals about the vulnerabilities
in our whole information ecosystem, things we often overlook. That
makes sense, and it also taps into some very real anxieties,
these sort of underlying fears about political violence that are

(01:35):
unfortunately just kind of humming in the background.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Today, right, a constant buzz exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
So this whole thing, this deep dive, it really offers
a critical case study for anyone trying to navigate the
complex currents of modern media.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Okay, let's unpack this then. Before we dive headfirst into
the incredible fabrication, the thing that sent the Internet into
an absolute frenzy, we need to understand the figure at
its center. Who exactly is Charley Kirk, the man who
suddenly found himself at the heart of this digital storm.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Right, good place to start. So, Charlie Kirk, he's an
American conservative activist, also Immdia personality and author. Born October fourteenth,
nineteen ninety three. So that makes him thirty one years old.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Right now, still pretty young to be that prominent.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, and in a relatively short amount of time he's
really emerged as one of the most prominent and, let's
be honest, polarizing voices in the modern conservative movement. Our
sources show a pretty rapid ascent. Actually started with a
bold vision while he.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Was still quite young, and his main vehicle for that vision,
the thing that really put him on the national map,
that's Turning Point USA, right TPUSA exactly. He founded that,
launched it back in twenty twelve with entrepreneur Bill Montgomery.
Can you tell us more about that, how it started,
how it got so big on campuses?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Absolutely so tpusa's mission. Looking at the sources, it's pretty
clear identify, educate, train, and organize students specifically to promote
conservative values.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
On high school and college campuses right.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
High schools, colleges, universities. And what's really remarkable is just
how fast it grew its trajectory from you know, pretty
humble beginnings. It's expanded like crazy. It's got a presence
now on hundreds literally hundreds of campuses across the US. Wow.
So this isn't just like a small student club. It's
a highly organized, well funded movement, right, and that rapid expansion. Honestly,

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it's a testament to Kirk's well his undeniable ability to
connect with and mobilize younger conservatives. He basically created a
pipeline for student activism on the right.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
And TPUSA doesn't just operate quietly behind the scenes, does it.
They're known for these huge events, really high profile stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh yeah, big time.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
We're talking about their Student Action Summit, the American Comeback Tour.
These things attract thousands of people, huge crowd, and you
often see incredibly prominent conservative figures speaking there. Famously, President
Donald Trump has shown up multiple times.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
That's right, major figures lend their way to it.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
And beyond TPUSA itself, Kirk has become a pretty significant
media personality in his own right.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Definitely, his media footprint is quite extensive now. He hosts
his own daily talk show, that Charlie Kirk Show. It's
widely send together, Get there. Yeah, and he's incredibly active,
very influential on social media, especially x you know, formerly Twitter.
His posts often get millions of views, millions of impressions.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
So he has that direct line to his audience exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
He can bypass traditional media filters, which is, you know,
a key part of his strategy and his influence.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay, so we've sketched out his rise, his platform, but
to really get why he was the center of this
particular storm, this hoax, we need to grasp his core
political philosophy. Based on your deep dive, what are the
main causes, the principles Charlie Kirk really champions, the things
that define his influence and crucially, how people see him

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across the political map.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
That's a great question because his ideology, it's really the
bedrock of his appeal, but it's also frankly the source
of a lot of the controversy surrounding him. Looking directly
at the sources, you basically see three key pillars. First,
there's fiscal conservatism.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Okay, like taxes spending.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Exactly. He staunchly advocates for lower taxes, reduced government spending,
free market policies, very much about minimal government intervention in
the economy, individual financial liberty as he'd frame it.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Got it. What's the second pillar?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Second is constitutionalism, But not just a general belief in
the Constitution. It's specifically a very strict originalist interpretation of
the US Constitution and a really vigorous defense of individual liberties,
especially the Second Amendment.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Ah Okay, gun rights. That comes up a lot with him, it.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Does, and this stance it informs some of his most
provocative statements. He often frames any perceived infringement on gun
rights as this like existential threat to liberty, which, as
our sources clearly show, becomes a major point of contention,
a flash point.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
And it's that strong, almost unyielding stance on issues like
the Second Amendment that often sparks such intense debate right
even within conservative circle. Sometimes that seems to be part
of his brand.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Absolutely, it's very much part of his brand, and that
connects directly to the third pillar cultural conservatives.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Okay, what does that encompass for him?

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, Kirk is an outspoken critic of what he views
as liberal policies taking over college campuses, particularly around issues
like gender identity, diversity initiatives, public education systems.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Did you hear debated a lot.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
These days constantly, and he often expresses these views, sometimes
pretty forcefully, on platforms like Fox news. He paints this
picture of a broader cultural battle, a fight for the
soul of America. Basically, our sources show he sees these
issues as fundamental challenges to traditional American values.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Okay, so, given all that, the fiscal conservatism, the strict constitutionalism,
the cultural warrior stance, it's maybe not surprising his career
hasn't been smooth sailing controversy wise, What stands out from
your research about the public scrutiny of the accusations he's faced.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, what's truly fascinating here, I think is the range
of criticism he attracts. His career has definitely not been
without significant controversy. He's faced repeated accusations of making inflammatory comments,
devisive remarks, really pushing the boundaries. And what's particularly notable
is that the critics aren't just from the left. Sometimes
they come from within conservative or libertarian circles TEMs.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh interesting like who.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Well sources mentioned figures like Ben Shapiro, Matthew Dad for example,
people who has at various times taken issue with aspects
of his rhetoric or his approach.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
So not just ideological opponents.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Right, his specific views on race, immigration, certain social issues,
these have often drawn significant criticism, charges of insensitivity, sometimes
even outright prejudice. Yet, and this is key, despite all this,
or you know, in some cases, because of it, he
maintains a very strong, incredibly loyal base of support. His

(07:59):
fall or see him as this like unapologetic voice standing
against what they perceive as liberal overreach or cultural decay.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Okay, that sets the stage. Now let's turn to the
truly wild part, and frankly a pretty disturbing part of
this deep dive, the entirely fabricated story that had social
media just buzzing like crazy this month September twenty twenty five,
the claim that Charlie Kirk had been shot. This wasn't
just some vague rumor, was.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
It not at all? No, he's deeply disturbing and, like
you said, entirely false. The claim was that a shooting
of Charlie Kirk had occurred. Some versions even went further
alleging he was actually killed.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Outright killed. Wow.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, And it wasn't vague at all. It is designed.
It seems to sound incredibly specific and urgent, which you
know is a key factor in why it spread so fast.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
And this is where it gets really interesting. In a well,
a chilling way. What made this hoax so potent, so
believable to so many people? It seems to be the
specific false elements that gave it this like air of credibility.
These details are crucial rights. So to understand why it
caught fire, crysil Can you walk us through those specific
but completely made up details that sources confirm were flying around?

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Certainly, our sources highlight several fabricated details that really acted
as plausibility anchors, we could call them. They gave the
hoax this deceptive shine of reality. First the supposed location
Utah Valley University UVU in or am Utah.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Okay, a real place, not made up exactly.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's a real university. That gives it a geographic anchor,
makes it feel grounded. Then the specific injury.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Claim, right, what was that?

Speaker 2 (09:33):
The claim was he was shot in the neck or
in some versions declared dead right there on the scene.
That kind of detailed immediately raises the emotional stakes, makes
it visceral, Yeah, definitely. The narrative also claimed he was
attending a Turning Point USA event at UVU when this
supposed incident occurred.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Which fits his known activities perfectly.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Perfectly. It aligns completely with what people know he does.
And then, to top it all off, there were these detailed,
but again totally false reports about a Charlie Kirk shooting suspect,
A suspect, yes, supposedly identified, an even subject to a
nationwide man hunt.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Wow. So it had all the pieces.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
It had all the makings of a major breaking news story,
a location, a prominent victim, a dramatic cause, even a
perpetrator being hunted. On the surface, it looked real.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
So yeah, on the surface, incredibly convincing. But then as
we dug into our sources, the complete lack of any
credible evidence just started to unravel the whole thing, didn't
it precisely?

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, And that's what makes this story such a well,
a master class in disinformation, but ultimately also a failure,
because while it had those specific false details, it completely
lacked any backup, any corroboration from official, trustworthy sources. And
that's where the real world inevitably pushes back against the

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digital lie.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
So what does this all mean when you cut through
the noise the panic, It means law enforcement in Utah,
the orm police Department, others, and even the state's governor
Spencer Cox. Nobody made any official statement about a shooting
like this.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Cricket silence, which is telling.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
And crucially no credible news outlets reported it none, not
Fox News, not CNN, not MSNBC, not the Associated Press, nobody, right,
and think about it, For a figure as prominent, as
controversial as Kirk, an assassination attempt, that would have been
the absolute top story everywhere, instantly, front.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Page news, lead story on every network, no question.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
So the silence from legitimate sources was well deafening once
you knew to listen for it anyway.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
And we can confirm unequivocally based on all the evidence
from our sources, Charlie Kirk is alive and well right.
His official social media accounts kept posting no interruption, his
podcast kept coming out right on schedule, this as usual exactly.
Those actions provided irrefutable proof that claims like Charlie Kirk
dead or Charlie Kirk shot at UVU were completely definitively false.

(11:58):
The lack of any real world impact, any real confirmation,
that was the ultimate undoing of the hoax. It couldn't
sustain itself against reality.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Now, the main way this spread the vector for this
hoax like so many others today, it was social media. Yep,
our sources point squarely at x you know, formerly Twitter,
as the epicenter. But beyond just where it spread, it's
the how. That's what's really fascinating and maybe scary. What
did you deep dive reveal about the mechanics the ways
this lie just metastasized so quickly.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Well, what's startling here, and this really speaks to the
current vulnerabilities in our whole information system is how perfectly
this hoax exploited a pre existing climate, a climate of
intense political polarization, and also this deep seated distrust of
traditional media outlets.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Okay, so the ground was fertile, basically extremely fertile.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Imagine a digital echo chamber just primed and ready. So
when the initial false claims popped up, often from accounts
with you know, low credibility but maybe.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
High engagement, Yeah, those can spread fast.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
To get amplified like crazy, not just by bots but
by real users who are already sort of predisposed to
believe narratives of political violence, especially against figures they support
or maybe even figures they oppose.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Right, confirmation bias kicks in hard.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Absolutely, Yeah, our sources reveal this chilling timeline where an
unverified tweet may be boosted by like a cleverly photoshopped
image from some unrelated event, or misleading captions on an
out of context video clip.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Perceptive visuals right, that stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Could outpace any official debunking by hours, sometimes even days,
and that leads a lasting impression even after it's corrected.
It wasn't just about the lie itself. It was the speed,
the speed of its emotional resonance. We could almost call
it narrative velocity, just completely overwhelming truth velocity.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
That idea of narrative velocity that's powerful, that instant visual trickery,
even if it's subtle, it creates this immediate feeling of urgency,
of authenticity and makes the whole outrageous claim feel more
concrete somehow exactly, and didn't we also see a parallel
rumor something about Melissa Hortman also debunked?

Speaker 2 (14:03):
We did, Yeah, Melissa Hartman. She's a progressive state representative
from Minnesota. And yes, there was a similar quickly debunked
assassination rumor about her circulating around the same time.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Which suggests maybe a coordinated effort or just the general climate.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
It's hard to say definitively without more evidence, but it's
an interesting parallel that our sources flagged that concurrent false claim,
even though it was distinct. It points to a potentially
troubling pattern, whether it was coordinated or just opportunistic, it
hints at maybe an attempt to create this broader narrative
of widespread political violence hitting figures on different size. And again,

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the lack of immediate widespread mainstream media coverage for either event,
simply because they never actually happened, that created.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
A vacuum, a narrative vacuum.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Precisely, and that vacuum is exactly what unverified rumors thrive in.
People are looking for explanations for information, and if the
credible sources are silent because there's nothing real to report.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
It and the fake stuff rushes in.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Exactly even weakly supported narratives can quickly fill that void,
especially when they tap into those pre existing biases or
fears we talked about.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Okay, so, stepping back from this specific fabricated event, what
does the whole Charlie Kirk Hoax incident tell us about
the world we're living in now, the challenges we're all
facing trying to figure out what's true and what isn't.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well, while the shooting of Charlie Kirk was absolutely unequivocally
a hoax, and we really have to keep stressing.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
That, yeah important point.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
It's rapid spread wasn't just some random digital fluke. It
acts like a stark mirror. It reflects these very real,
very visceral anxieties about political violence that are bubbling right
under the surface of American society today. So the hoax
wasn't just a lie. It was almost like a psychological weapon,
praying on vulnerabilities that were already there exactly.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
And those vulnerabilities aren't abstract. Our sources detail real world
events that feed these fears. I think about the shocking
assassination attempt on Nancy Pelosi's husband, Paul Pelosi, or the
shooting of Republican Congressman Steve Scalie back at that baseball.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Practice, horrific events.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Right, These aren't just stories. There are moments that remind
everyone how fragile civility can feel, how quickly political tensions
can escalate into actual physical violence.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
And that's where the insidious power that hoax really lies.
The fact that a story about an assassination attempt on
a figure like Kirk could be so widely, so rapidly believed.
It isn't just about people being gullible, No, it speaks
to a deeper, maybe legitimate societal trauma, a collective fear
about where things are heading, about escalating political tensions, about

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real violence.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
So the hoax taps into something real, even though the
event itself.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Was fake precisely, and the real cost here isn't just
a temporarily misinformed public. It's the further erosion of trust,
trust not just in media, but maybe even trust in
the very fabric of our shared reality. It creates this
climate where genuine threats become harder to pick out from
the fabricated.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Ones, which could paralyze actual responses when.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Needed, could paralyze responses. Yeah, and it just further in
trenches divisions. It deepens the trenches of polarization, making any
kind of constructive dialogue even harder.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Now, what's also clear from our sources is that despite
this whirl of fabricated news about his death, Charlie Kirk himself,
his influence, his work, it all continues unabated. He remains
a significant force.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
That's absolutely right. Turning point USA his organization. It's still
incredibly active on campuses, in the media, It's consistently shaping
the views of a new generation of conservative voters.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Still a major player, definitely, and.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Kirk himself continues to be a prominent voice. He strategically
uses his platforms, his show, his social media to disseminate
his views very effectively. Now, his estimated net worth often
comes up. It's a subject to public interest. Reports generally
put it in the range of say, five to ten
million dollars.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Which reflects the success of his operation.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
It does. It serves as a kind of testament to
his successful career as a conservative activist and media personality.
That financial success underscores the scale of his influence and
his operation.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
So if we step back one last time, consider the
wider implications this whole episode, this fabrication about Kirk, it
really serves as a powerful case study.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Wouldn't you say, Oh, indeed, absolutely, If you connect all
these dots, the Charlie Kirk assassination hoax, it well, it's
almost a textbook case study. It shows the dangers of
political disinformation. It's potential to sow discord, to cultivate distrust,
even to manipulate public perception of political stability itself. It
just highlights how readily a convincing, yet utterly false narrative

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can take root, especially in an environment that's already ripe
with partisan division and skepticism towards traditional media.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Which really just drives home the critical importance for you,
for the listener right, the need to cultivate robust media literacy,
critical think. Yeah, practicing critical thinking and recognizing the individual
responsibility we all actually hold to verify information, check sources,
use trusted, credible outlets before we hit share.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
It seems simple, but it's crucial.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
It affects all of us, not just the people directly
named in these hoaxes. It pollutes the whole information environment. Okay,
so let's recap this steep dive. Then, As of today,
September tenth, twenty twenty five, Charlie Kirk is very much
alive and well. He's continuing his work across his various platforms.
The widespread, highly emotional rumors of his death by assassination,
including that specific, detailed story about a shooting at Utah

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Valley University, they are completely definitively false, a product of
targeted disinformation.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
On the equivocally false.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
This whole hoax serves as a really stark reminder not
just of our volatile political climate, which is obvious, but
maybe more pointedly of the incredible speed and reach of
disinformation in our digital aide, the velocity we talked about exactly. So,
while the Charlie Kirk shot story was a lie, the
underlying fears, the fears of political violence, the deep divisions

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it exploited, those are very real and they remain present
concerns for our society. So, you know, this deep dive
into a completely fabricated assassination, it really makes you wonder,
doesn't it. In an age where a lie, often crafted
with such unsettling precision, can travel halfway around the world
before the truth even you know, gets its boots on.
What responsibilities do we as individuals truly hold in protecting

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the integrity of public information and maybe even the basics
avility of our discourse. It's a huge question, it really is.
It's something profound, I think, for all of us to
consider and how we consume information, how we discern it,
and ultimately how we choose to share the news that
shapes our world.

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