April 23, 2024 • 54 mins
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What's up everybody? Welcome back.It is MMA after Hours. It's Michael
Carlisle and Micah Franco. Micah,what's going on? Man? Man?
I feel like it's a lot goingon all the time. Go over to
ksminds dot com. Something new goingon over there. That took a bit
of time. So yeah, alot going on all the time. What
about you? Well, it wasa sad weekend. No UFC. Look,
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occasionally, I guess they need aweekend off, but really makes it
hard for me to get through theweekend without a little UFC action. I
was gonna ask, was this weekenda little bit easier with and we'll be
covering it on Pro Wrestling after Hours? But there was an abundancy of pro
wrestling Saturday and Sunday to break upthe monotony. So was that easier this
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weekend than the normal UFC longing weekend. No, No, it just wasn't.
You would think it would be,but no, And even with what
we saw in boxing, it wasn'tenough to at least fill some space for
it. All right, let's justgo ahead and start right there. If
the boxing filled anything in your heart, you're already dead inside and it doesn't
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matter. I get it. RyanGarcia is a bad m effort, you
know, when he can be botheredto give a fuck about a fight and
attempt to make weight at least comeclose to making Oh Garcia, who the
fuck? Surprise? He won?He had a three and a half pounds
waited advantage of stepping on the scales. He didn't have to go through a
hard weight cut, so not justa three and a half pounds, He's
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already had a huge advantage because hedidn't bother to deplete his body, because
he knew there wasn't a chance inhell he wasn't gonna make weight, so
he didn't even really try so atthat point in time. And maybe I'm
in the minority here, Micah,And that's cool. If anybody else liked
it, that's great, that's yourprerogative. But I quit carrying at that
point because he didn't care either.So if he doesn't care, why the
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hell should I care? And greathe won, and now he wants to
do all these great things. Idon't give a fuck, you know why,
Because he couldn't be bothered to makeweight. How do I know he's
gonna care about the next fight?He said? Something about fighting for the
kids, and I gotta respect theman for that. It's it's a great
line to throw out there, towin the social media, to win the
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opinion polls. But you're right,a million dollars of one point five million
dollars for missing weight by three pounds. It's acidline, drinking beers on the
scale. It felt like a desperateattempt for Hey, we can't get enough
attention for this fight anyway, solook at me, look at me,
look at me. Fight for thekids, the kids, the kids who
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expected him, like every other fighterand every other sport where it matters to
you know, try to make weight. I'm sure those kids were really impressed
with him chugging beers on the scale. The kid fucked the king. I'm
bullshit it look that being said,the fight wasn't bad. I understand the
hype around Garcia. I get it. Nice win over Devin Haney. When
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you give yourself every possible that youbrought up wrestling earlier. It was just
like the goddamn Night one of WrestleMania. The Bloodline win the tag match,
so it's bloodline rules for night toCody and Roman. Right, This was
basically Ryan Garcia rules. Yeah,I'm not gonna bother to make weight.
You gotta make the way. I'mnot gonna bother. I'm not gonna deplete
my body. To hell with you. You go through all that. I'm
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just gonna go in fat and happyand feeling good on Saturday night. And
that's what he did. I've gota problem with this. Mike this to
me, and look I get it, and I can tell by the look
on your face. Calm down,Carlisle. It's not that big of it.
It is a big deal to me, maybe only to me, But
this is why I so dislike boxing. Well, what are the many reasons
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I so dislike boxing these days?It's a great example of why you dislike
boxing and what's wrong with boxing andthe shit eating grit on my face.
And I'll call it what it isright now. It's just the fact that
you hit the nail on the headwhen we started the conversation. None of
it matters. None of it absolutelymatters in a sport that is falling behind
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for a lot of the metrics behindpro wrestling, behind MMA, bare knuckle
is catching up. If you askDana White. Across social media, power
Slab has a bigger influence depending onwhat social media you're looking at. So
that's the only reason is because itmatters, but doesn't matter, so it
doesn't matter. It's a circus.And that's the problem is that it's a
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circus. And you said that tobegin with. So that's why I agree
with you. And like you said, it's hard to understand and we get
the politics of boxing by now.The bullshit of it is. Ryan Garcia
depleted himself too much to take onTang Davis. So this time he said,
screw that noise. I'm just gonnacome in be one hundred percent and
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he out bullied a guy that previouslypeople had and week classes as a bully.
But all of it was a mockeryanyway. You know what, I
don't even blame Ryan Garcia here.Here's why they let it happen. Who
didn't know week of the fight therewas no chance in hell Ryan Garcia was
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making weight. Nobody cared though onepoint five million it cost him because of
his little side bed for every poundoverweight. Not so what if you go
in there and you make twelve milliondollars, who cares if you got to
peel off a million and a halfoff the top. So what is that
how much he made? I haveno idea, but my guess is it
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was probably somewhere in that area,maybe a little less, maybe a little
more, but it was probably somewherein that general area. But he made
enough that the million and a halfwasn't a big deal. And quite honestly,
if they're gonna let you do that, wouldn't you be kind of foolish
not to to give yourself every advantagethat they're going to allow you. And
he and He's like, yeah,fuck it, I don't care, I'll
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fight you anyway. Which I don'tblame him either. He doesn't want to
miss a pay day. But ifyou allow this to happen, you can't
be surprised when it happens. Youcan't be And Navievin Heiny's one point five
million dollars richer and probably had theA side of the purse coming into this.
Some I feel like he lost either. He had a huge payday and
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then we got a fight where there'sthree knockdowns and that still gives us a
result of a majority decision. There'sa majority decision in MMA and UFC.
What are we doing? You're runningit back. We're jumping up and down,
We're talking about how close it was, We're running it back. In
boxing, we have the guy thatjust may miss. Wait, we're running
out a little lighter in the bag, but running out like he's the thief
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in the night. When ain't doingto rematch? I ain't getting this?
Who should I fight next? Ijust it's hard to get behind big time
boxing with stuff like this. Andit's also hard to put out that pay
per view price when this fight didn'tmatter that much. Misweight titles not on
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the line, no rematch. Whocares you take away? All the stakes,
all the premise, all the consequences. Who was even on the undercard?
This is where boxing fails me.What was to draw in after the
mockery at the Lands? And that'sthe problem, Micah. Everything was built
around this, and one half ofyour main event doesn't give a shit.
The other half your main event apparentlydoesn't care that the other half doesn't give
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a shit. Look I'll say this, and look how much less give a
shit is there when you wear uggsin the ring? Weight misses happened.
We see it in all types ofcombat sports. I can at least empathize
sympathize when you see someone step onthe scales and you can tell that they've
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at least tried to make weight,and maybe even they come back in the
allotted time and try it a secondtime, stripped down and all that you
at least know they're putting forth aneffort, or they're at least giving you
the illusion that they're putting fourth effort. Ryan Garcia gave fourth no illusion whatsoever
that he gave a flying flip abouttrying to make weight, And that,
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just on a personal level, reallybothers the shit out of me, because
if this fight is not that important, you know where you have to care
about making weight, then why isit important enough for me to or anybody
else to pluck down their hard earnedmoney to watch it. Because you've already
told me it doesn't matter. It'sa spectacle at that point in time.
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What's the difference in this in JakePaul versus Mike Tyson other than win or
lose, even though nobody gives afuck, it's still gonna count on your
record. Maybe maybe you hit thenail on the head. What is the
difference? Jake Paul's famous. Weall want to be famous, you're only
watching him fight because he's famous.It's not like you care if he's in
a world title fight. Anella's notin a world title fight. I don't
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think it matters. It's Canello.Maybe that that's what they're thinking. We
want to be famous, to befamous, so we're trying to create more
of a spectacle, more attention tojust be famous. Like you know,
I could live with the fact thathe and he just didn't care about making
weight if it at least pretended likeGarcia, all right, Garcia, I
mean, I'm sorry if it hadat least pretended that he had been back
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there trying to cut those last threeand a half And look, you're not
dropping the three and a half poundson an hour before you step on the
scales, But at least pretend likeyou put forth the effort to try to
make the weight and you know,not go out there and chug beer and
whatnot. Did you check one ortwo beers on the side? Does it
matter? Is it any less egregiousif it was only one? Now he's
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just an asshole either way. He'sstill just packing on the pounds right there
that he refused to try to loseand Look, if this is bothering me
way more than it bothers anybody else, my apologies, I get it.
I don't think any less of youor any more of you. I hope
you don't think any more or lessof me. But I'm just telling you
from a personal standpoint, this bothersthe ever loving shite out of me.
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He missed way. It wasn't atitle fight. It was barely a victory
because it was a majority decision evenwith three knockdowns. Let's not give Devin
Haney any credit for what he didin the first half of the fight.
And no one is bothered by anyof this. And that's why you just
don't care about boxing, because theyjust don't care, or maybe it's just
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not on my level anymore. AndI say that as it's a me problem,
maybe not a boxing problem like webrought up Jake Paul, Like,
I don't get that at all.Who the hell's buying a ticket to sit
in the nosebleeds at at and TStadium to see God blessed exhibition? And
look, I get it. It'sMike Tyson, baddest man on the planet
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once upon a time. Now he'sjust the guy you want to get high
with and Jake Paul incredibly popopular.I'm not knocking either one of them,
but if they come anywhere close tofilling that stadium, that's an indictment on
society on sports. Look, Iget it, but who's dropping that for
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an exhibition? Boxing has passed usby? Or maybe we've passed boxing by.
I think there's obviously disconnect, ButI do wonder. I spend a
lot of time this weekend. Isboxing the problem? Or am I the
problem? Like as far as whyit's not connecting with me? Other sports
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when things change baseball, ads,pitch clocks and things like that, you
adapt, You add extra ding rules, you it's different, but you adapt.
I I'm having the changes that boxingseems to be going through. I'm
having a hard time adapting to.I don't I don't care about exhibition fights.
I don't care when no matter howgreat the fighters are, and look
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both Garcia and any incredible fighters,but when one of them obviously doesn't care
enough to bother to try to makeway, then why am I supposed to
care? Why am I supposed topluck down money? Well? Why isn't
the pay per view for riders saying, look, obviously one of these guys
doesn't care and good conscience. Wecan't charge you ninety dollars to this pay
per view. You still want it, We'll just charge you seventy or something
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or whatever. But what kind ofmessage are you sending to the fans?
All right, fighters don't really care, but uh, we're still gonna need
a hundred bucks if you want towatch this pay per view, or good
luck trying to steal it. Everythingis professional, Everything is about the title,
Everything is about the sport until it'snot. And then when you miss
what you have to screaming it doesn'tmatter. I'm here to fight, because
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I'm here to fight. Why don'twe fight? And it's riling up a
fan base that we don't connect with, an audience that just gets riled up.
And it's almost that I and Ihate to like bespirch it, but
it's almost that's Conor McGregor effect.Where why do people get excited to see
Connor McGregor at a press conference ratherthan another press conference? It's Connor McGregor.
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You might get more people out ofconn McGregor press conference than you do
at some UFC fight nights, dependingon the small area you go to.
It's just the appeal of a character, and that's where we're at. Jake
Paul is a character. Ryan Garciais a character. If you look at
his social media numbers, there's ashit ton of people. So why are
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you supposed to care? You're notif you're not one of those followers.
But if you're one of those followers, you found this appeal in this connection
to one of those figures that whenthey say they're fighting, when they say
they're going to AT and T Stadium, they're going to Barclays, They're gonna
return to AT and T, you'rekind of already in on it because you're
in on that character. Again,we do pro wrestling after hours, and
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it's not the same effect for youor me, But it's like if I
hear Stinger, you hear Rick Flair, we're kind of a little more keen
to look into that project. Butthis generation is like all in on that
figure no matter what they do.The problem with bringing Connor McGregor into this
and say what you want about Connor, and I'm not going to defend him
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or rip him, but I willsay this, what Connor McGregor does for
every single one of his mother effingfights. Micah, you know what that
is. Let's wait, he makeswaight, he might, he might be
a spectacle. There might be pushingand shoving, there might be shit talking,
there might be shit. You're like, I don't even know what the
hell he just said. But itwas funny. It has to be because
everybody else is laughing. But hegoes out and tries to make waight and
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regardless of recent success or lack thereofin the ring, he's in there trying
to win. And just let memake it clear, real back, I
was not comparing No, I know, I know, I know, I'm
Jake as athletes at all. Iwas more comparing the appeal that the fan
base is after the character. Ifanybody miss Terry, I know I got
you, No, no, Igot you. But but but Connor goes
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out and does all that shit andtries to make wait, he you understand
real fights. That separates him fromboth of those guys, at least from
Jake Paul and from Ryan each ona different level. He is more worthwhile
on fight night than either one ofthem. I'm just talking about, Yeah,
why these fans are so appealed tothem for no, I got you,
but see Connor understands that. Yeah, the being Connor McGregor, that's
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a huge part of it. Thisshit talking that, the larger than life
character, all that's part of it. Garcia got that part of it this
week, this past week, butConnor also gets the other part of it.
You still got to show up,you still gotta make weight, you
still got to bring it in thecage. Now. I think Garcia went
out and tried to win the fight, but he also did it by setting
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himself up pretty sweet by not botheringto try to make weight. And that's
and that's the problem. And there, I guess that's a big pot.
Why the fans not care? Whydo the box and fans like Connor can
do stupid shitting His fans Will pointedout Garcia did it this week and everyone
is pointing it out in nothing butvictory that he beat Deam. It's like
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he got the belt without getting thebelt, which I understand is the worst
place to be for Devin Ainey becauseyou got the belt and you just took
a whooping. So it's hard tobe the champ right now. But how
do you really be proud of RyanGarcia for as you said, so many
faults but winning the fight. He'snot the champ. He's calling out for
bigger names. Well, he shouldbe calling out for bigger names guys at
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one hundred and forty seven pounds becausehe can't make one forty. I don't
get it, man, But again, this is the kind of things that
happens when UFC takes a week off. I was more interested this week in
the fact that karate combat ended upin Dubai. There was some giant frame
that they did their wigh in.You know my fear of heights. I
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was just petrified watching the video.Luke Rockole seemed to feel the same way
as me. But when he gotinside of the square, I guess that's
what they call it. Did landa knockout of Joe's shilling three weeks notice
off the couch. Not great forJoe's shilling. Shout out to Luke Rockwell
forgetting back in the win coling TimothyJohnson. Also, unfortunately, some belatour
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vets went to PFL. Some faceda worse fate. Tim Johnson a win
in the xFC main event. Yeah, xFC still exists. PFL results are
over at Cageminds dot com. MagamedUmatalav, the welterweight main event winner,
made a statement in my eyes,Carlisle, when you're able to out wrestle
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and then knock down Andre Korshakov putin the full amount of work taking down
a guy that we have both seendo a lot of very good work inside
of Bellatore in the co main event, it was slightly controversially even in my
opinion, Brendon lock Name clear knockdownof Pedro Carvalla, landing some good shots,
but Carvallo to me look to begoing for an ankle pick an awful
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time for the ref to jump in. I think a big upset in most
people's opinion. Shamil Musayev knocks outLogan Story, the former Belator interim welterweight
champion, a big loss there anda knockout at the buzzer just before the
buzzer. As Gabriel Gabriel Alvis Bragarebounds from losing the finals, he unfortunately
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we know the story where his fatherwas killed in the favelas his head coach,
and this was his first fight sincethen. In emotional victory, knocking
out Justin Gonzalez and Gigiamauchi is backfrom that horrible knee injury suffered against Michael
Vin and Page and he outstrikes NiemanGracie for a decision. When again the
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website, we have a full articleup and you can check out the full
list of rankings. The first halfof the PFL season is in the books,
but not everyone is happy with thenew PFL. Belator Pelatre whatever,
Pflatur, however you want to pelotonploton pelatory. Yea, I used to
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have a pelator. I've really justlaid my clothes on it. I didn't
use it a lot. Oh no, the coach, Yeah, okay,
you talking about gayguard Musacy, gayguard Mussac, very voisterous. I mean,
I've been a proponent of at leastlet's cover Pflatur. They're the only
other fish in the sea that reallymatters compared to the UFC, and we
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have at least seen numbers climbing overthe recent couple of weeks. I saw
the first two weeks of season regularseason coverage did have a increase of viewers,
So good for them on that,but uh, let's also knock them
where they deserve to be knocked.Gagar Musasi is saying, Hey, I'm
healthy, I'm ready to fight.I'm here and ready. What's going on?
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No one's been in contact with mesince the merger. He said that
Mike Hogan is the only person thathe still knows that he has a contact
for. He's contacted and Mike said, I'll got back to you and has
not heard anything. Uh, that'sa load of shit. And I'm guessing
that Bellator Pflatur is having some issueswith finances because why don't we have gay
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Guard on one of these belt orChampionship Series cards. Because he's thirty eight
years old and lost his last twofights, I'd still you know, if
you look at a feature fight,if you look at it an opening fight
for a Bellator Championship Series card,we're talking about global, We're not just
talking about appealing to an American alliance. But they're in France, they were
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in England, they're going to someof these places I think their markets that
Gay Guard would still have some fanappeal. You say thirty eight years old,
and I understand that, but we'regonna be talking about forty year olds
here at some point later in thecard, like Tim means, so we
can't say that thirty eight year oldsold, these guys don't have full appeal
like Musaci. I can't see whatyou say. He's not a headliner,
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okay, right, but he didnot had been contacted since the merger.
I feel like it is a littlesmite to a guy that would help out
the Bellatore product. Since this wasthe example you used, Tim means gay
guard Musac. My guess is oneof them is asking for a whole lot
more money to appear than the other. Is. Well a holly home.
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You know, we're just in atime where you still see a lot of
the fighters more my point, thirtyeight forty years old, they're still appealing
to the audience. Stuff you sayit's financial, I will agree with you,
but I don't want to just saythat two losses relegates him to irrelevant
and we shouldn't use him anymore.Well, I don't think it's just the
two losses. I again, you'rethirty eight years old. What's the future
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there? I in the grand schemeof things, I don't think PFL slash
meltor needs him. Now you havehim under contract, it sure would be
nice to use him, But Ikind of get why they're not in a
hurry too. You would hope atsome point they do. You don't want
to just freeze a fighter out.If they're not going to use him,
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they should just release him, lethim go somewhere else, find a fight.
I think Rison would use him probablygiven problem, maybe a one championship.
I think globally there's still some appeal. I don't think if he's a
free agent, if you're listening tous, I don't think he goes back
to the UFC or something. ButI do think there are other markets,
other audiences a KSW where Gaigark couldbe used, well, anywhere where he
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could actually go and fight and makemoney would be better than being signed to
PFL Belatur and not being used exactly. So yeah, point yeah, I'm
with you on that, and Iam sympathetic. I maybe I'm really wrong
on this, Micah. I don'tthink it's a financial thing. I think
it's just more of a we don'treally want to release you, but we
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don't really have a desire to useyou either, until the right situation comes
along and we actually need you.My guess would be as probably somewhere along
those lines. Now, that doesn'tmake it anymore or any less fair.
I'm with you on that. Ithink it's a bad situation for Musac and
I am sympathetic, but I thinkit's just more of a why would we
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use you if we don't need to. I mean, it's not going to
move move any needles. And youknow, as long as we got you
under kind, we got you undercontract. Maybe down the line there is
something where it makes more sense andwe can get a little excitement for I
don't know, but yeah, it'sunfortunate for sure. Also in the Bellator
Pflatour realm of news, unfortunately Usmannermagametovbreaking news he's injured and out of the
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Alexander Shibley title defense. That onejust became official. We also have PATCHI
Mix Magamed maga Metov banaweight title fightis headlining the Bellatour Paris card May seventeenth.
Cedric Doombay has signed an extension withthe PFL brand. He will take
on Derek Anderson in the co mainevent. The second leg of the PFL
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Global Season has been announced June thirteenth. The heavyweights and women's flyweights are at
Mohegan sun Unitsville, Connecticut. SaltLake City, June twenty first, Huntsman
Center, you get lightweights and lightheavyweights. Twenty eighth, Sanford Pentagon.
Yes, Sue Falls South Dakota.You get the welterweights and the featherweights.
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So yeah, there we go.At least we now know where they're heading.
I think there's gonna be some moreglamorous locations announced for the finals and
the playoff events. I know whatyou Love's wrong with South Dakota? Man,
Come on nothing, Because Sue FallsSouth Dakota and the Sandford Pentagon retweets
every time I tag them in anything, whether it's this show when we mentioned
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them or any article. They areawesome for retweeting. It's June right that
they're in South Dakota June twenty eighth. Yeah, so that's like part of
that three weeks of the year wherethey have halfway decent weather there. Who
wouldn't want to go? You know, it'd be in a nice vacation to
get away, I've heard, andthen you get some fights. I'm not
pitching it to you, I'm justpitching it to the people. It's a
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thought. It's a thought to getaway. We do have some UFC news
the site. I think the peoplein South Dakota are looking to get away.
Yeah. Look, I don't careif they got it, that's fine.
Look, people show up to watchthe fights, and obviously they do
because this ain't the first fight cardto ever go to South Dakota. They
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sell out exactly. So yeah,yeah, I love some MMA in South
Dakota. Yeah, I'm not knockingit. At least it's not February,
you know, exactly. At leastit's not gonna be bad weather. Uh.
The one thing, if we dowant to keep on the Bellator PFLA
tour, thing to knock now isthere was there is a lot of indecisiveness
with the brown where you can stilltell they don't know what they're doing with
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what they want to do because theywill sit up there. Patchy Mix is
the best band weight in the world. We know we have the best band
weight in the world, and heis the Bellotor champion. Slightly raise your
hand up. Well, if he'sthe best band weight in the world and
the Bellotor champion, is he theworld champion? Well, he's the Bellator
Champion and we're gonna have our ourPF Global season. We're ald champions,
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so we have a lot of champions. Okay, again, we have pro
Wrestling after hours. If you wantto hear convoluted title talk, go listen
to us talk about aw Ring ofHonor, New Japan Pro Wrestling in the
eight million titles they have PFL Bellatour. This was like an opportunity to make
a definitive statement of what this hierarchyis and they still got no clue what's
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going on. I'm sure you justyou're just gonna shake your head on that
one. No, an agreement,but it gets back to well, no,
I agree with you, But itgets back to why did you buy
Belatour in the first place. Nobodyelse is going to buy it. Let
them shut down, grab what youwant and build on your brand. And
instead of trying to operate two brands, at least one of which of those
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brands was greatly damaged from a perceptionstandpoint, And if I really wanted to
and for the sake of moving theshow along, I don't. You could
make the argument that both brands aredamage brands seen as less than than UFC.
So that puts you at a disadvantagein the first place. Merging two
less stands doesn't make you better.It just keeps you less stand so you
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again and we don't have to rehashall this. I've said it all many
times. Go back and listen.Should have just waited for Bellatorta close,
pick what you wanted and went aboutyour day. It would have been a
lot more economical and it would havebeen better for PFL. UFC fight announcedments
Diego Faheta, Matthews Rebeccy is addedto the Saint Louis card May eleventh,
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our friend of the show Randy Browntaking on Alexi's easy DS. We have
Jeremiah Wells out Nico Price jumping ina take on Alex Morono. Those are
welterweight bouts, both at UFC threeh two on June first. Daniel Marcos
the undefeated bandawet is taking on JohnCassanta UFC Saint Louis might actually have one
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loss. My got bat on thatone, guys, A quick turnaround.
I know you want to jump inon this for j Mal Hill taking on
Khalil Rowntree. I was never knockedout, guys, I was conscious,
I was not hurt. But hesays his equilibrium is fine and ready to
go. I don't know how Ifeel about the quick turnaround for Jamal Hill
after the loss, Ti Pereira.Remember back in the day when we had
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what was it you called them?Oh yeah, medical suspensions? Remember those?
Because we cared about the fighters.And you get knocked out, you
need to take a little time offleast, right, you suffer some injuries.
She should probably take some time off, get them healed up. Why
do medical suspensions and things like thatnot matter anymore? Alexander Volklanowski and Jenelalhill
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don't care about them, obviously,or someone else offered them something and they
accepted the offer. It's not thatno one cares about the medical suspensions.
We just made them an offer andthey accepted it. Right, But again,
medical suspensions, how you getting aroundthat? Because we just don't care
anymore. The damn commissions don't careanymore. Look, I got anohing against
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Jamal Hill, but I don't wantto see anybody wind up with scrambled egg
brain. And that's why you havethings like medical suspensions, and why don't
you take a little time off?Well, why don't you you're rest up,
why don't you heal up? Morepower to him. I'd like to
see him take a little more timeoff. I get it, that's gonna
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be roughly two and a half threemonths, but still and to have a
good camp, how long are youreally not taking some abuse before you jumping
back in there. Gabriel bon Fiemis taking on Angelosa July thirteenth in Luis
Raschi Baba versus Trey Ogden July twentieth. To round things out real quick,
some news from the LFA. They'rereturning to Rio May third with a women's
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straw weight headliner. Two Incredible Strikestrikers Yasmin Gumarees and Nazi Conti Hanna in
that main event, and then commerceCalifornia light heavyweights Ozzy Diaz Bevon Lewis.
That's May seventeenth for LFA Won eightyfour. To give us all of the
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fight announcements this week from the couplepromotions that we talk about, we're not
gonna talk about Joe Phiffer, MarcAndre Mariott for three oh three, Michelle
Waterson Gomez, Jillian Robertson for threeoh three Waterson Gomez, Jillian Robertson.
We mentioned last week they just werereally late on getting the poster out compared
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to when the fight was announced becausewe actually announced that with the main event
with Greg McGregor Chandler. My badabout the Pifer ABC fight. Yeah,
my guess is those two fights arenot gonna be on the main car.
I would expect Pifer versus Barrio tobe in the middle prelims because I think
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they still have some life left inhim. And I would expect Waterson versus
Watterson, Gomez versus Robertson to beon the early prelims. Uh yeah,
probably second fight on the card.I would think. I don't think it
gets the feature fight premise. Lotsof time, but uh, I'm not
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convinced McGregor Chandler headline that card.Maybe they do, but you're certainly gonna
have at least one title fight somewhereon that card, whether it's main event
or co main event. I believeyou're right that it's not decided where it's
gonna be. It may fall intothe main event because we'll see how things
play out. But they didn't announcethat it is the main event. You're
right about that, But they didn'tnot announce it as the main event either.
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But I'm curious. You're a bettingman, just looks safe bet whether
it's main event or not, there'sgonna be a title fight on this card.
You are a betting man. Whattitle do you think we see if
it's just one international fight week atthree h three, the women's band and
weight title. I feel like thewomen's band and weight title needs to be
on that card, and I feellike it at some point you're getting Kayla
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Harrison in there. Do we havea healthy women's band and weight champion.
It's either Penya or Pennington. It'seither an interim or the regular. But
I think Harrison. You get herback in there as quick as you can,
and you put that bigger star onher by having her near McGregor and
all the attention that's going to bring. If Pennington, because the issue right
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now is Pennington correct the Chantington.But she said that she's almost ready to
go, So I don't know.I'm just guessing here because we also just
had Waylee fight and you didn't havetatianas Warez around. So if the UFC
was really looking at turning around wayLee that quickly for an international fight week
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for June, I think we'd hearmore about it. So I'm a little
hard oppressed if it's not the woman'sband weight title. To wonder which title
it's gonna be, because as we'relooking at the calendar, as we've expanded
out after three oh three, itlooks like three oh four is gonna be
a welterweight title fight, three ohfive looks like a middleweight title fight,
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and three oh six looks like itis gonna be the tough fight. I
mean, it's hard. Unfortunately Valentina, she doesn't want to do it in
Vegas, and she doesn't want todo it on on you know, Mexican
Independence Day again, you're gonna doit there. I'm sorry, that's just
how the tough season and everything looksto be playing out. Yeah, you're
gonna do it when they tell you. So. If we already got middleweight,
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we know light, it's it's hardto say. And and Iliot Tapoia
looks bound to also possibly to bedefending that featherweight title fight on a global
scale. I'm almost talking to myselfin a Connor versus Chandler being the main
event Connor for a pay per viewand an international fight Week pay per view.
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Connor McGregor might be the only fightyou can do that doesn't involve the
title that that would be a mainevent. I don't know that you could
do two fighters and one of themnot named McGregor at this point and it
be the main event. But Ido think you could do it with McGregor.
I think he's that big. Okay, so women's band and weight title
or how about one other thought?What about Tom Aspinall under Connor McGregor the
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interim heavyweight title fight being defended.I still don't know if we're away from
that, And as we're looking atthe timeline, do you put Leon and
Tom on the same card at threeoh four? Because I saw Aspinall one
night in Las Vegas walking around.He looked to be fit as a fiddle,
doesn't seem to be injured. Ithink he's looking for an opportunity to
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get back in there. Do youthrow him on a card somewhere just to
use that entity. I don't thinkyou're doing it here if you need a
title fight somewhere, maybe because Idon't think Aspinall is getting the winner of
Jones and Steepey, I really don't. So if that's not your plan,
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if you're UFC having him go outand defend this interim title, and then
when Jones comes back, there's justno interim champ anymore. Seems a little
wonky, and maybe I'm really wrongon that, Micah, but I don't
think how this is gonna play out. I think somewhere near the end of
the year you're gonna get Jones andMiocic and Alex Bejeed is getting the winner.
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I firmly believe that. Now.The one hiccup in that if if
stepe A wins, you're probably runningback he and He and John but which
would further complicate things for Aspenall forthat matter. But look great for Aspinall,
he's the interim champ. Now,maybe if you did Aspinall Pejeta,
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uh and and that settles that period, because all right, Aspinall wins,
he's definitely getting the winner of JonesMeochic, and that also if you're in
the Pejeta camp, well you can'tdeny us at that point. So maybe
that's the Maybe that will be theway to go, Micah. If you
wanted Aspinall to defend the interim title, I have him do it against Bejeda.
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But other than that, unless youjust need another title fight, I
don't know. Well, and I'malso just looking at from the calendar because
maybe we're thinking that that's the otherthing. I feel like you should fight
Aspinall here in June. That soundsmore more reasonable then I like your theory
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of Jones Miochich. At the endof the year, I do believe Madison
Square Garden is going to be November. If it's November, we can't fight
at Aspinall in October. That makesno sense. Why is the interim champion
to defend right before the real title. So if there's an opportunity for Aspenall
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to defend, wh's the only reasonI'm saying is because the dude's healthy.
He's just saying there. Sure,I feel like they might use him.
It's either gonna be three oh threeor three oh four, because you're either
gonna do international fight lead to tryto boost him by Connor and maybe give
us a token interim title fight onthe card because we're looking for a title
fight. Yeah uh, and thishas nothing to do with him. It's
just more card building. Or youdo something massive in the UK and Manchester
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and you're putting him under Leon.But because if not, we're kind of
booked out to Aspinall's not fighting inAustralia. Aspinall's not fighting on Mexican Independence
Day, So is he headlining thecard the month before we're gonna welcome John
Jones back. That feels even lesslikely to me. Then I agree with
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you on plus if you fight himin June. Talking about Aspinall here,
yeah, there should he win.Of course, he's available to be the
backup for Jones Miocic if you're bookingthat in MSG, you got to have
a backup plan in case one ofthem drops out for whatever reason. So
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that would make sense from that timelineas well. And you're also right you
can't have the interim champ defending histitle in October and then having the real
champ make his return in November becausethat just highlights the absurdity of the interim
championship, right, Yeah, soyou keep them kind of opposite time lines.
And that's why I'm feeling like thewomen's band and weight title on that
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interim heavyweight title are some sweet spotsto be played with in those summer months,
and we'll see what happens. Howabout Sean Omley. I believe Sean
that we don't see him if wesee Sean again this year? It's December
in Vegas. You don't think wesee o malley before December? Uh?
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Maybe International Fight week? That wouldbe to literally you know what? Okay?
So in the words that you hadwith John Jie thinking you never had
him headlined, were they called himto see how he felt about three hundred
even though they knew he wasn't readyto go. I wouldn't be surprised if
they call O'Malley and they say youand Connor on the same card, because
they are already on their other siderecognizing Morob Duvalish Philly had the fans eating
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out of his hand. They lovehim in Vegas. He is almost a
Vegas native for how many months he'sbeen training out there. They really love
him. That's another great one.I like that one even better. It's
just is Sean O'Malley willing to deviatefrom that time where he said I defended
dude. I'll catch you guys endof the year, early next year.
That's why I wonder could he headlineDecember? But maybe maybe he's a wise
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enough businessman to think that. Connorme at a Connor press conference, Oh
that's the shit. I think UFCwill do everything in their power to try
to make that. U the opportunitiesof having O'Malley on on the McGregor card,
and again, depending on how youslot that maybe actually being the main
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event. That's the question. Whodo you your first instincts? Carlisle,
those two fights devalish Philly O'Malley,Connor Chandler. To me, the title
fight is bigger, but to thepeople, Connor is bigger. So where
are you first instinct main event cominevent? Uh, As you might have
picked up on during our boxing conversation, I'm somewhat old school. I think
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you got to put the title fightis the main event. But like I
also said earlier, Connor McGregor isthe one guy on a big pay per
view that doesn't have to have atitle to headline. So if UFC wants
to headline McGregor and and Chandler,I don't think anybody's going to complain about
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that at all. But me personally, Ah, I'm old I'm old school,
but I might also be too oldschool if it's the women's VANDAM weight
unless it's vacant and it's a returningnoon Yez and Kayla Harrison, I would
not headline that. I would notput that over McGregor Chandler. If that
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makes me sexist, so be it. I just don't think it's as big
of a Pennington Harrison. I don'tthink it's a big of a matchup if
you're doing Davish Philly O'Malley, Yeah, that might be. It's close,
it's it's it's close. It's ahard one. I don't know which way
I'm going with that. This weekend, you ready to get there as well?
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At the old Apex there in LasVegas. Fight Night on uh oh,
and this one's on a regular ESPNas well as Plus for the main
card and the middle prelims as well. Interesting fight Night, Micah, Interesting
fight Night. Not all fight nightsare made the same. And no,
you know I love the UFC.You know I love to defend fight nights,
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right. I feel like I couldbe more impressed for a card that
has three top fifteen matchups at thetop of it. And I don't say
that often, do I? No, I'll do you one better than that.
You could actually go five if youcount the top three fights with the
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women's flyway. Top fifteen, yeah, half top yeah, all three of
them, and I'm not that excited. I'm not that being said, I
think nikol Allen and Perez will bea really good fight, I think,
And if you're sleeping on it,you might be doing yourself a disservice.
But yeah, on you mentioned it. Not all finites are created equal on
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paper. This might be one ofthose that you're looking at and you're like,
if I'm around, I watch it. If I'm not, it won't
be the end of the world.But these are the ones that usually sneak
up on you too. They're gonnasneak up and surprise you. This is
gonna be amazing because no one's expectingit. This is gonna be great.
Matthias Nicolau ten finishes of his nineteenwins, five knockouts, five submissions.
(43:00):
He did lose to Brandon roy Vallin his last fight, but that's Brandon
freakin' roy Vall. It ended asix fight win streak where Nicolau had really
came into his own. It wasjust marking guys. Alex Petez is unfortunately
replacing I think Carlile's favorite flyweight MenelCamp. Yeah. Maybe maybe so that
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it lost the little steam with thereplacement you have five versus eight, And
my biggest question is with not havinga win since beating two C or four
Amiga in twenty twenty three consecutive losseseight fights canceled some of his faults,
not how is Alex pet Is stillnumber eight in the rankings? Is it
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because he just didn't lose it enough? Because he's the three losses are the
good competitors. Uh, I'm notgoing to answer that, only because when
we were talking about the three zerothree card and I'm looking at Gillian Robertson
and mi she Watterson wondering like hell, how can either of them still be
ranked? Especially Waterson? And Ibit my tongue and didn't say anything because
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I want to be a good littlesoldier and I don't want to be in
a Dana White fuck you video foreverybody talking shit. I'm just not gonna
well, let's just move on.I digress. But it's just by the
way, quick quick slidebar. Thedata White fuck You video is pretty It
was pretty funny. Have you seenit where he's like showing clips everybody talking
shit about three hundred How it's notgonna be good? Oh? Oh,
(44:30):
I can't believe that this is thecard they're putting for three hundred and how
wrong everybody was. Dana why hemay not hold grudges, although he probably
does, but he certainly doesn't forget, and I think that's one of the
things that makes data. Dana andhe threw that out there, and you
know, a lot of people hadto explain themselves, just for all the
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people that wonder why I was soadamant that I was just like, hey,
Dane is the one that kept stickingus fit in his mouth saying that
the main event announcement was gonna breakour minds. You know, that was
the only thing I'd be I didnot end up in that video, neither
did you. Thankfully that we werenot that foolish to discredit a card for
the former champions, right, Yeah, I like the card, so yeah,
but yeah, yeah, anyway,let's move on. Ryan Span in
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the co main event taking on bugDan Muskokov Gusokov. Guskov has thirteen knockouts,
ten in the first round. It'san interesting matchup because he's a murderer.
He comes out so ferociously throwing,but he does not have the same
level of competition in his on hisresume that Ryan Span does. Span is
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coming off of back to back lossesto cry Love and Smith. For a
guy that I thought could reach thestars, it seems like he is bumping
against the stealing that he just can'tget around some technical defense deficiencies, leaving
himself wide open to take some bigpunches that's costly against God. If Span
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can get his wrestling going and geton top, there's a possibility for a
victory. But this one looks likesomething violent that could happen very quickly.
I have a sneaky suspicion SPAN's gonnamake quick work, you think so.
I guess this one to the ground. Yeah, we'll see, But yeah,
I kind of think so, yousaid. Also, there's another rank
(46:21):
matchup yet, twelve versus thirteen ArianniLipski, who think we kind of wrote
off for a while, but nowwith three fight win streak, best performance
of her career arm bar in CaseyO'Neill at her last time out taking Don
Cream and Silva Silva eight fight winstreak, six consecutive submissions, This one
should be really fun and interesting.After that, well, we got Austin
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Lane versus Johnathan Dinyez coming off ofthe Contender Series, so big power punches,
Danya six and l all six windsare knockout Lane. Eleven of his
twelve wins are knockouts. Jonathan PierceDavid o'ama at featherweight. Of these guys
have been touted as big time prospectsbefore Pierce nine wins by knockout, two
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submissions, most of that ground andpound. He's won five of his last
six, two and one in theUFC. Onama seven knockouts, four submissions,
three and two in the UFC,all three finishes, though all three
wins are finishes, an uppercut,a nasty standing TKO ahead, and arm
choke. That one's gonna be funbecause it's such a class of styles where
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Pierce is going to be looking forthe takedown and Onnama is going to be
in the sprawl and brawl. Thenwe get to the man I mentioned earlier,
The forty year old tim means twentywins by knockout, five submissions,
thirty three victories overall. He endeda three fight skid in his last victory
over Andre Frialo, which was comingoff of a three fight win streak.
Actually, he's taking on Euros MedicicMedic submitted by Muttebeck or Bi in his
(47:53):
last outing. That's after TKO winsover Matthew Semwels and Omar Morales. Tim
is the bigger, stronger fighter.I don't know if Medich is really putting
on the right size for welterweight,and that experience means so much, but
Medic is a very good and dangerousstriker that should be taken seriously. Metics
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is a huge favorite in that fighttoo, a huge favorite. He's minus
three to ten Tim's plus two fifty. That's pretty huge. I'm a little
surprised about that one, are youno, uh forty years old coming off
the three fight losing skid. Yes, he did win in his last fight,
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and I love me some timmy meansso I'm not slagging on him and
wouldn't be surprised if he wanted tobe completely honest, But I get it,
I kind of get it, butalso in the most disrespectful way possible.
I think all three guys that beatmeans beat Medic. Like, if
you look at that losing stroo,Max Griffin, Kevin Holland, you might
be right. I Kevin Holland,you know what I mean, like Maron
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Max Griffin might be the most questionablename on that list. Mediz's best win
Matthew Semmelsberger and Omar Morales. That'swhy I'm like, I thought this was
here the other way, Like,I'm a little surprised about it. Like
I'm not saying that I fully expectme to just whip his ass, but
I'm a little surprised to say thatit's not a closer betting scheme considering,
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you know, the way that Medicgot submitted by oral By in his last
fight, and oral By is alsojust like a prospect at this point,
I'm probably a little too hard onthis one. Okay, we'll look at
the prelims real quick. I'm notgonna beat you up, but we are
in Albuquerque, New Mexico, sothere is some connective tissue on this card
for us. We have Gabriel Benitezopen up the card versus Machete. We've
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talked about Machete before because he's wonhis UFC debut against Steve Garcia. Gabriel
beneath this. I met him whenhe was at Jackson Winks. He has
twenty three wins, nineteen finishes.That one should be exciting. A shout
out out also to Dantel May's heavyweightfrom Jackson Wing Academy. Had the opportunity
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bumping to him many times. AndAustin Hubbard, who's on the card coming
off of losing the tough finale.I've got to see him win an LFA
title in person featured prelam two veterans. This should be fun and it's a
contrast to styles Victor Henry can doit all and he likes to throw down
and strike. Ronnie yah Ya isa grappling and submission specialist twenty one wins
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by submission of his twenty eight oldschool jiu Jitsu Fighter. Early prelambs are
at four o'clock Eastern, so thatis one PM if you're all the way
in California. And I believe thatmain card starts at seven o'clock Eastern,
so that's a four o'clock West Coaststart time. So we are looking at
a pretty early fight night this weekfor the UFC. The earlier, the
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better earlier, the better freeze therest of your night. Want to throw
out that we have LFA one eightytwo on Friday night from Minnesota. Mitch
McKee, Jose Hernandez, two topprospect bantam weights in that main event,
and you have Kushkin Kasha If fromRussia top prospect an a one hundred and
(51:15):
forty five pound or one hundred andforty pound catchweight bout in the co main
event. And then Saturday night afterthat UFC, you guys are freed up
to go to the YouTube channel Cagemat at Cage Minds Underscore CSN on YouTube
Cage Minds Combat Sports News. We'regonna be doing a live companion for Knucklemania
(51:37):
four, and I do believe MichaelCarlisle's is gonna come over to Dapper Barbershop
and hang out with us. Itis looking that way, Yes, it
is looking that way that we arefinally getting Carlisle to view with us.
Bare Knuckle It's Knucklemania for everybody.Familiar names at the top of the card.
Mike Perry, Tiago Alves is yourmain event. The superstar is getting
(51:59):
that. True you wondered about ifthe UFC would do it. Bare Knuckle
already doing it. We recognize thestars. The co main event is the
BKFC heavyweight title fight, Mick Terrelldefending against Lorenzo Hunt. If Hunt wins,
he will become a three division worldchampion, his third bare knuckle world
title. The featured fight has BenRothwell versus Todd Duffy, two UFC vets
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familiar names to MMA fans. Thewinner there is most likely the heavyweight number
one contender, and for you boxingfans, Alfredo and Gulo will be making
his bare knuckle debut on the card. If you go over to the website
the YouTube, we do have aninterview up with Andrew angel Core and Rubin
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war. They are fighting each otheron the main card. I've got the
opportunity to see both of them bevictorious live in front of me, and
I thought it'd be a fun opportunityto talk to both of them about smashing
each other. Both got incredible backstories. Knuckle not big on age limits.
I guess, huh age limits?Yeah, talking about in Gulo or Rothwell,
(53:08):
take your pick. But you knowwhat, Rothwell's like two years away
from fighting Jake Paul in an exhibitionboxing match, So but yeah, whatever.
Look, I also wouldn't say thatto did Rothwell's face either, because
he might be the shit out ofme. So obviously there's there's probably a
little stuff that left it to takeright, it's bare knuckle. It's different.
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Yeah, just because they said thewrestling, the grappling, a lot
of the fast twitch movements on someof these joints, You're just not having
to be as explosive. It's adifferent outcome being able to use his size
and pull guys into the clinch andjust work on them with punches. I'm
not saying this makes him a differenttotally different fighter, but yeah, for
a lot of these MMA fighters,barre knuckle still gives you enough runway to
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use the skill set that you haveleft. Well, there you go.
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What's up everybody? Welcome back.It is MMA after Hours. It's Michael
Carlisle and Micah Franco. Micah,what's going on? Man? Man?
I feel like it's a lot goingon all the time. Go over to
ksminds dot com. Something new goingon over there. That took a bit
of time. So yeah, alot going on all the time. What
about you? Well, it wasa sad weekend. No UFC. Look,
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occasionally, I guess they need aweekend off, but really makes it
hard for me to get through theweekend without a little UFC action. I
was gonna ask, was this weekenda little bit easier with and we'll be
covering it on Pro Wrestling after Hours? But there was an abundancy of pro
wrestling Saturday and Sunday to break upthe monotony. So was that easier this
(00:51):
weekend than the normal UFC longing weekend. No, No, it just wasn't.
You would think it would be,but no, And even with what
we saw in boxing, it wasn'tenough to at least fill some space for
it. All right, let's justgo ahead and start right there. If
the boxing filled anything in your heart, you're already dead inside and it doesn't
(01:15):
matter. I get it. RyanGarcia is a bad m effort, you
know, when he can be botheredto give a fuck about a fight and
attempt to make weight at least comeclose to making Oh Garcia, who the
fuck? Surprise? He won?He had a three and a half pounds
waited advantage of stepping on the scales. He didn't have to go through a
hard weight cut, so not justa three and a half pounds, He's
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already had a huge advantage because hedidn't bother to deplete his body, because
he knew there wasn't a chance inhell he wasn't gonna make weight, so
he didn't even really try so atthat point in time. And maybe I'm
in the minority here, Micah,And that's cool. If anybody else liked
it, that's great, that's yourprerogative. But I quit carrying at that
point because he didn't care either.So if he doesn't care, why the
(01:56):
hell should I care? And greathe won, and now he wants to
do all these great things. Idon't give a fuck, you know why,
Because he couldn't be bothered to makeweight. How do I know he's
gonna care about the next fight?He said? Something about fighting for the
kids, and I gotta respect theman for that. It's it's a great
line to throw out there, towin the social media, to win the
(02:17):
opinion polls. But you're right,a million dollars of one point five million
dollars for missing weight by three pounds. It's acidline, drinking beers on the
scale. It felt like a desperateattempt for Hey, we can't get enough
attention for this fight anyway, solook at me, look at me,
look at me. Fight for thekids, the kids, the kids who
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expected him, like every other fighterand every other sport where it matters to
you know, try to make weight. I'm sure those kids were really impressed
with him chugging beers on the scale. The kid fucked the king. I'm
bullshit it look that being said,the fight wasn't bad. I understand the
hype around Garcia. I get it. Nice win over Devin Haney. When
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you give yourself every possible that youbrought up wrestling earlier. It was just
like the goddamn Night one of WrestleMania. The Bloodline win the tag match,
so it's bloodline rules for night toCody and Roman. Right, This was
basically Ryan Garcia rules. Yeah,I'm not gonna bother to make weight.
You gotta make the way. I'mnot gonna bother. I'm not gonna deplete
my body. To hell with you. You go through all that. I'm
(03:29):
just gonna go in fat and happyand feeling good on Saturday night. And
that's what he did. I've gota problem with this. Mike this to
me, and look I get it, and I can tell by the look
on your face. Calm down,Carlisle. It's not that big of it.
It is a big deal to me, maybe only to me, But
this is why I so dislike boxing. Well, what are the many reasons
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I so dislike boxing these days?It's a great example of why you dislike
boxing and what's wrong with boxing andthe shit eating grit on my face.
And I'll call it what it isright now. It's just the fact that
you hit the nail on the headwhen we started the conversation. None of
it matters. None of it absolutelymatters in a sport that is falling behind
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for a lot of the metrics behindpro wrestling, behind MMA, bare knuckle
is catching up. If you askDana White. Across social media, power
Slab has a bigger influence depending onwhat social media you're looking at. So
that's the only reason is because itmatters, but doesn't matter, so it
doesn't matter. It's a circus.And that's the problem is that it's a
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circus. And you said that tobegin with. So that's why I agree
with you. And like you said, it's hard to understand and we get
the politics of boxing by now.The bullshit of it is. Ryan Garcia
depleted himself too much to take onTang Davis. So this time he said,
screw that noise. I'm just gonnacome in be one hundred percent and
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he out bullied a guy that previouslypeople had and week classes as a bully.
But all of it was a mockeryanyway. You know what, I
don't even blame Ryan Garcia here.Here's why they let it happen. Who
didn't know week of the fight therewas no chance in hell Ryan Garcia was
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making weight. Nobody cared though onepoint five million it cost him because of
his little side bed for every poundoverweight. Not so what if you go
in there and you make twelve milliondollars, who cares if you got to
peel off a million and a halfoff the top. So what is that
how much he made? I haveno idea, but my guess is it
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was probably somewhere in that area,maybe a little less, maybe a little
more, but it was probably somewherein that general area. But he made
enough that the million and a halfwasn't a big deal. And quite honestly,
if they're gonna let you do that, wouldn't you be kind of foolish
not to to give yourself every advantagethat they're going to allow you. And
he and He's like, yeah,fuck it, I don't care, I'll
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fight you anyway. Which I don'tblame him either. He doesn't want to
miss a pay day. But ifyou allow this to happen, you can't
be surprised when it happens. Youcan't be And Navievin Heiny's one point five
million dollars richer and probably had theA side of the purse coming into this.
Some I feel like he lost either. He had a huge payday and
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then we got a fight where there'sthree knockdowns and that still gives us a
result of a majority decision. There'sa majority decision in MMA and UFC.
What are we doing? You're runningit back. We're jumping up and down,
We're talking about how close it was, We're running it back. In
boxing, we have the guy thatjust may miss. Wait, we're running
out a little lighter in the bag, but running out like he's the thief
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in the night. When ain't doingto rematch? I ain't getting this?
Who should I fight next? Ijust it's hard to get behind big time
boxing with stuff like this. Andit's also hard to put out that pay
per view price when this fight didn'tmatter that much. Misweight titles not on
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the line, no rematch. Whocares you take away? All the stakes,
all the premise, all the consequences. Who was even on the undercard?
This is where boxing fails me.What was to draw in after the
mockery at the Lands? And that'sthe problem, Micah. Everything was built
around this, and one half ofyour main event doesn't give a shit.
The other half your main event apparentlydoesn't care that the other half doesn't give
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a shit. Look I'll say this, and look how much less give a
shit is there when you wear uggsin the ring? Weight misses happened.
We see it in all types ofcombat sports. I can at least empathize
sympathize when you see someone step onthe scales and you can tell that they've
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at least tried to make weight,and maybe even they come back in the
allotted time and try it a secondtime, stripped down and all that you
at least know they're putting forth aneffort, or they're at least giving you
the illusion that they're putting fourth effort. Ryan Garcia gave fourth no illusion whatsoever
that he gave a flying flip abouttrying to make weight, And that,
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just on a personal level, reallybothers the shit out of me, because
if this fight is not that important, you know where you have to care
about making weight, then why isit important enough for me to or anybody
else to pluck down their hard earnedmoney to watch it. Because you've already
told me it doesn't matter. It'sa spectacle at that point in time.
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What's the difference in this in JakePaul versus Mike Tyson other than win or
lose, even though nobody gives afuck, it's still gonna count on your
record. Maybe maybe you hit thenail on the head. What is the
difference? Jake Paul's famous. Weall want to be famous, you're only
watching him fight because he's famous.It's not like you care if he's in
a world title fight. Anella's notin a world title fight. I don't
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think it matters. It's Canello.Maybe that that's what they're thinking. We
want to be famous, to befamous, so we're trying to create more
of a spectacle, more attention tojust be famous. Like you know,
I could live with the fact thathe and he just didn't care about making
weight if it at least pretended likeGarcia, all right, Garcia, I
mean, I'm sorry if it hadat least pretended that he had been back
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there trying to cut those last threeand a half And look, you're not
dropping the three and a half poundson an hour before you step on the
scales, But at least pretend likeyou put forth the effort to try to
make the weight and you know,not go out there and chug beer and
whatnot. Did you check one ortwo beers on the side? Does it
matter? Is it any less egregiousif it was only one? Now he's
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just an asshole either way. He'sstill just packing on the pounds right there
that he refused to try to loseand Look, if this is bothering me
way more than it bothers anybody else, my apologies, I get it.
I don't think any less of youor any more of you. I hope
you don't think any more or lessof me. But I'm just telling you
from a personal standpoint, this bothersthe ever loving shite out of me.
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He missed way. It wasn't atitle fight. It was barely a victory
because it was a majority decision evenwith three knockdowns. Let's not give Devin
Haney any credit for what he didin the first half of the fight.
And no one is bothered by anyof this. And that's why you just
don't care about boxing, because theyjust don't care, or maybe it's just
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not on my level anymore. AndI say that as it's a me problem,
maybe not a boxing problem like webrought up Jake Paul, Like,
I don't get that at all.Who the hell's buying a ticket to sit
in the nosebleeds at at and TStadium to see God blessed exhibition? And
look, I get it. It'sMike Tyson, baddest man on the planet
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once upon a time. Now he'sjust the guy you want to get high
with and Jake Paul incredibly popopular.I'm not knocking either one of them,
but if they come anywhere close tofilling that stadium, that's an indictment on
society on sports. Look, Iget it, but who's dropping that for
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an exhibition? Boxing has passed usby? Or maybe we've passed boxing by.
I think there's obviously disconnect, ButI do wonder. I spend a
lot of time this weekend. Isboxing the problem? Or am I the
problem? Like as far as whyit's not connecting with me? Other sports
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when things change baseball, ads,pitch clocks and things like that, you
adapt, You add extra ding rules, you it's different, but you adapt.
I I'm having the changes that boxingseems to be going through. I'm
having a hard time adapting to.I don't I don't care about exhibition fights.
I don't care when no matter howgreat the fighters are, and look
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both Garcia and any incredible fighters,but when one of them obviously doesn't care
enough to bother to try to makeway, then why am I supposed to
care? Why am I supposed topluck down money? Well? Why isn't
the pay per view for riders saying, look, obviously one of these guys
doesn't care and good conscience. Wecan't charge you ninety dollars to this pay
per view. You still want it, We'll just charge you seventy or something
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or whatever. But what kind ofmessage are you sending to the fans?
All right, fighters don't really care, but uh, we're still gonna need
a hundred bucks if you want towatch this pay per view, or good
luck trying to steal it. Everythingis professional, Everything is about the title,
Everything is about the sport until it'snot. And then when you miss
what you have to screaming it doesn'tmatter. I'm here to fight, because
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I'm here to fight. Why don'twe fight? And it's riling up a
fan base that we don't connect with, an audience that just gets riled up.
And it's almost that I and Ihate to like bespirch it, but
it's almost that's Conor McGregor effect.Where why do people get excited to see
Connor McGregor at a press conference ratherthan another press conference? It's Connor McGregor.
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You might get more people out ofconn McGregor press conference than you do
at some UFC fight nights, dependingon the small area you go to.
It's just the appeal of a character, and that's where we're at. Jake
Paul is a character. Ryan Garciais a character. If you look at
his social media numbers, there's ashit ton of people. So why are
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you supposed to care? You're notif you're not one of those followers.
But if you're one of those followers, you found this appeal in this connection
to one of those figures that whenthey say they're fighting, when they say
they're going to AT and T Stadium, they're going to Barclays, They're gonna
return to AT and T, you'rekind of already in on it because you're
in on that character. Again,we do pro wrestling after hours, and
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it's not the same effect for youor me, But it's like if I
hear Stinger, you hear Rick Flair, we're kind of a little more keen
to look into that project. Butthis generation is like all in on that
figure no matter what they do.The problem with bringing Connor McGregor into this
and say what you want about Connor, and I'm not going to defend him
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or rip him, but I willsay this, what Connor McGregor does for
every single one of his mother effingfights. Micah, you know what that
is. Let's wait, he makeswaight, he might, he might be
a spectacle. There might be pushingand shoving, there might be shit talking,
there might be shit. You're like, I don't even know what the
hell he just said. But itwas funny. It has to be because
everybody else is laughing. But hegoes out and tries to make waight and
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regardless of recent success or lack thereofin the ring, he's in there trying
to win. And just let memake it clear, real back, I
was not comparing No, I know, I know, I know, I'm
Jake as athletes at all. Iwas more comparing the appeal that the fan
base is after the character. Ifanybody miss Terry, I know I got
you, No, no, Igot you. But but but Connor goes
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out and does all that shit andtries to make wait, he you understand
real fights. That separates him fromboth of those guys, at least from
Jake Paul and from Ryan each ona different level. He is more worthwhile
on fight night than either one ofthem. I'm just talking about, Yeah,
why these fans are so appealed tothem for no, I got you,
but see Connor understands that. Yeah, the being Connor McGregor, that's
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a huge part of it. Thisshit talking that, the larger than life
character, all that's part of it. Garcia got that part of it this
week, this past week, butConnor also gets the other part of it.
You still got to show up,you still gotta make weight, you
still got to bring it in thecage. Now. I think Garcia went
out and tried to win the fight, but he also did it by setting
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himself up pretty sweet by not botheringto try to make weight. And that's
and that's the problem. And there, I guess that's a big pot.
Why the fans not care? Whydo the box and fans like Connor can
do stupid shitting His fans Will pointedout Garcia did it this week and everyone
is pointing it out in nothing butvictory that he beat Deam. It's like
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he got the belt without getting thebelt, which I understand is the worst
place to be for Devin Ainey becauseyou got the belt and you just took
a whooping. So it's hard tobe the champ right now. But how
do you really be proud of RyanGarcia for as you said, so many
faults but winning the fight. He'snot the champ. He's calling out for
bigger names. Well, he shouldbe calling out for bigger names guys at
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one hundred and forty seven pounds becausehe can't make one forty. I don't
get it, man, But again, this is the kind of things that
happens when UFC takes a week off. I was more interested this week in
the fact that karate combat ended upin Dubai. There was some giant frame
that they did their wigh in.You know my fear of heights. I
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was just petrified watching the video.Luke Rockole seemed to feel the same way
as me. But when he gotinside of the square, I guess that's
what they call it. Did landa knockout of Joe's shilling three weeks notice
off the couch. Not great forJoe's shilling. Shout out to Luke Rockwell
forgetting back in the win coling TimothyJohnson. Also, unfortunately, some belatour
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vets went to PFL. Some faceda worse fate. Tim Johnson a win
in the xFC main event. Yeah, xFC still exists. PFL results are
over at Cageminds dot com. MagamedUmatalav, the welterweight main event winner,
made a statement in my eyes,Carlisle, when you're able to out wrestle
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and then knock down Andre Korshakov putin the full amount of work taking down
a guy that we have both seendo a lot of very good work inside
of Bellatore in the co main event, it was slightly controversially even in my
opinion, Brendon lock Name clear knockdownof Pedro Carvalla, landing some good shots,
but Carvallo to me look to begoing for an ankle pick an awful
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time for the ref to jump in. I think a big upset in most
people's opinion. Shamil Musayev knocks outLogan Story, the former Belator interim welterweight
champion, a big loss there anda knockout at the buzzer just before the
buzzer. As Gabriel Gabriel Alvis Bragarebounds from losing the finals, he unfortunately
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we know the story where his fatherwas killed in the favelas his head coach,
and this was his first fight sincethen. In emotional victory, knocking
out Justin Gonzalez and Gigiamauchi is backfrom that horrible knee injury suffered against Michael
Vin and Page and he outstrikes NiemanGracie for a decision. When again the
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website, we have a full articleup and you can check out the full
list of rankings. The first halfof the PFL season is in the books,
but not everyone is happy with thenew PFL. Belator Pelatre whatever,
Pflatur, however you want to pelotonploton pelatory. Yea, I used to
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have a pelator. I've really justlaid my clothes on it. I didn't
use it a lot. Oh no, the coach, Yeah, okay,
you talking about gayguard Musacy, gayguard Mussac, very voisterous. I mean,
I've been a proponent of at leastlet's cover Pflatur. They're the only
other fish in the sea that reallymatters compared to the UFC, and we
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have at least seen numbers climbing overthe recent couple of weeks. I saw
the first two weeks of season regularseason coverage did have a increase of viewers,
So good for them on that,but uh, let's also knock them
where they deserve to be knocked.Gagar Musasi is saying, Hey, I'm
healthy, I'm ready to fight.I'm here and ready. What's going on?
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No one's been in contact with mesince the merger. He said that
Mike Hogan is the only person thathe still knows that he has a contact
for. He's contacted and Mike said, I'll got back to you and has
not heard anything. Uh, that'sa load of shit. And I'm guessing
that Bellator Pflatur is having some issueswith finances because why don't we have gay
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Guard on one of these belt orChampionship Series cards. Because he's thirty eight
years old and lost his last twofights, I'd still you know, if
you look at a feature fight,if you look at it an opening fight
for a Bellator Championship Series card,we're talking about global, We're not just
talking about appealing to an American alliance. But they're in France, they were
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in England, they're going to someof these places I think their markets that
Gay Guard would still have some fanappeal. You say thirty eight years old,
and I understand that, but we'regonna be talking about forty year olds
here at some point later in thecard, like Tim means, so we
can't say that thirty eight year oldsold, these guys don't have full appeal
like Musaci. I can't see whatyou say. He's not a headliner,
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okay, right, but he didnot had been contacted since the merger.
I feel like it is a littlesmite to a guy that would help out
the Bellatore product. Since this wasthe example you used, Tim means gay
guard Musac. My guess is oneof them is asking for a whole lot
more money to appear than the other. Is. Well a holly home.
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You know, we're just in atime where you still see a lot of
the fighters more my point, thirtyeight forty years old, they're still appealing
to the audience. Stuff you sayit's financial, I will agree with you,
but I don't want to just saythat two losses relegates him to irrelevant
and we shouldn't use him anymore.Well, I don't think it's just the
two losses. I again, you'rethirty eight years old. What's the future
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there? I in the grand schemeof things, I don't think PFL slash
meltor needs him. Now you havehim under contract, it sure would be
nice to use him, But Ikind of get why they're not in a
hurry too. You would hope atsome point they do. You don't want
to just freeze a fighter out.If they're not going to use him,
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they should just release him, lethim go somewhere else, find a fight.
I think Rison would use him probablygiven problem, maybe a one championship.
I think globally there's still some appeal. I don't think if he's a
free agent, if you're listening tous, I don't think he goes back
to the UFC or something. ButI do think there are other markets,
other audiences a KSW where Gaigark couldbe used, well, anywhere where he
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could actually go and fight and makemoney would be better than being signed to
PFL Belatur and not being used exactly. So yeah, point yeah, I'm
with you on that, and Iam sympathetic. I maybe I'm really wrong
on this, Micah. I don'tthink it's a financial thing. I think
it's just more of a we don'treally want to release you, but we
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don't really have a desire to useyou either, until the right situation comes
along and we actually need you.My guess would be as probably somewhere along
those lines. Now, that doesn'tmake it anymore or any less fair.
I'm with you on that. Ithink it's a bad situation for Musac and
I am sympathetic, but I thinkit's just more of a why would we
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use you if we don't need to. I mean, it's not going to
move move any needles. And youknow, as long as we got you
under kind, we got you undercontract. Maybe down the line there is
something where it makes more sense andwe can get a little excitement for I
don't know, but yeah, it'sunfortunate for sure. Also in the Bellator
Pflatour realm of news, unfortunately Usmannermagametovbreaking news he's injured and out of the
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Alexander Shibley title defense. That onejust became official. We also have PATCHI
Mix Magamed maga Metov banaweight title fightis headlining the Bellatour Paris card May seventeenth.
Cedric Doombay has signed an extension withthe PFL brand. He will take
on Derek Anderson in the co mainevent. The second leg of the PFL
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Global Season has been announced June thirteenth. The heavyweights and women's flyweights are at
Mohegan sun Unitsville, Connecticut. SaltLake City, June twenty first, Huntsman
Center, you get lightweights and lightheavyweights. Twenty eighth, Sanford Pentagon.
Yes, Sue Falls South Dakota.You get the welterweights and the featherweights.
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So yeah, there we go.At least we now know where they're heading.
I think there's gonna be some moreglamorous locations announced for the finals and
the playoff events. I know whatyou Love's wrong with South Dakota? Man,
Come on nothing, Because Sue FallsSouth Dakota and the Sandford Pentagon retweets
every time I tag them in anything, whether it's this show when we mentioned
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them or any article. They areawesome for retweeting. It's June right that
they're in South Dakota June twenty eighth. Yeah, so that's like part of
that three weeks of the year wherethey have halfway decent weather there. Who
wouldn't want to go? You know, it'd be in a nice vacation to
get away, I've heard, andthen you get some fights. I'm not
pitching it to you, I'm justpitching it to the people. It's a
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thought. It's a thought to getaway. We do have some UFC news
the site. I think the peoplein South Dakota are looking to get away.
Yeah. Look, I don't careif they got it, that's fine.
Look, people show up to watchthe fights, and obviously they do
because this ain't the first fight cardto ever go to South Dakota. They
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sell out exactly. So yeah,yeah, I love some MMA in South
Dakota. Yeah, I'm not knockingit. At least it's not February,
you know, exactly. At leastit's not gonna be bad weather. Uh.
The one thing, if we dowant to keep on the Bellator PFLA
tour, thing to knock now isthere was there is a lot of indecisiveness
with the brown where you can stilltell they don't know what they're doing with
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what they want to do because theywill sit up there. Patchy Mix is
the best band weight in the world. We know we have the best band
weight in the world, and heis the Bellotor champion. Slightly raise your
hand up. Well, if he'sthe best band weight in the world and
the Bellotor champion, is he theworld champion? Well, he's the Bellator
Champion and we're gonna have our ourPF Global season. We're ald champions,
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so we have a lot of champions. Okay, again, we have pro
Wrestling after hours. If you wantto hear convoluted title talk, go listen
to us talk about aw Ring ofHonor, New Japan Pro Wrestling in the
eight million titles they have PFL Bellatour. This was like an opportunity to make
a definitive statement of what this hierarchyis and they still got no clue what's
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going on. I'm sure you justyou're just gonna shake your head on that
one. No, an agreement,but it gets back to well, no,
I agree with you, But itgets back to why did you buy
Belatour in the first place. Nobodyelse is going to buy it. Let
them shut down, grab what youwant and build on your brand. And
instead of trying to operate two brands, at least one of which of those
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brands was greatly damaged from a perceptionstandpoint, And if I really wanted to
and for the sake of moving theshow along, I don't. You could
make the argument that both brands aredamage brands seen as less than than UFC.
So that puts you at a disadvantagein the first place. Merging two
less stands doesn't make you better.It just keeps you less stand so you
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again and we don't have to rehashall this. I've said it all many
times. Go back and listen.Should have just waited for Bellatorta close,
pick what you wanted and went aboutyour day. It would have been a
lot more economical and it would havebeen better for PFL. UFC fight announcedments
Diego Faheta, Matthews Rebeccy is addedto the Saint Louis card May eleventh,
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our friend of the show Randy Browntaking on Alexi's easy DS. We have
Jeremiah Wells out Nico Price jumping ina take on Alex Morono. Those are
welterweight bouts, both at UFC threeh two on June first. Daniel Marcos
the undefeated bandawet is taking on JohnCassanta UFC Saint Louis might actually have one
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loss. My got bat on thatone, guys, A quick turnaround.
I know you want to jump inon this for j Mal Hill taking on
Khalil Rowntree. I was never knockedout, guys, I was conscious,
I was not hurt. But hesays his equilibrium is fine and ready to
go. I don't know how Ifeel about the quick turnaround for Jamal Hill
after the loss, Ti Pereira.Remember back in the day when we had
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what was it you called them?Oh yeah, medical suspensions? Remember those?
Because we cared about the fighters.And you get knocked out, you
need to take a little time offleast, right, you suffer some injuries.
She should probably take some time off, get them healed up. Why
do medical suspensions and things like thatnot matter anymore? Alexander Volklanowski and Jenelalhill
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don't care about them, obviously,or someone else offered them something and they
accepted the offer. It's not thatno one cares about the medical suspensions.
We just made them an offer andthey accepted it. Right, But again,
medical suspensions, how you getting aroundthat? Because we just don't care
anymore. The damn commissions don't careanymore. Look, I got anohing against
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Jamal Hill, but I don't wantto see anybody wind up with scrambled egg
brain. And that's why you havethings like medical suspensions, and why don't
you take a little time off?Well, why don't you you're rest up,
why don't you heal up? Morepower to him. I'd like to
see him take a little more timeoff. I get it, that's gonna
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be roughly two and a half threemonths, but still and to have a
good camp, how long are youreally not taking some abuse before you jumping
back in there. Gabriel bon Fiemis taking on Angelosa July thirteenth in Luis
Raschi Baba versus Trey Ogden July twentieth. To round things out real quick,
some news from the LFA. They'rereturning to Rio May third with a women's
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straw weight headliner. Two Incredible Strikestrikers Yasmin Gumarees and Nazi Conti Hanna in
that main event, and then commerceCalifornia light heavyweights Ozzy Diaz Bevon Lewis.
That's May seventeenth for LFA Won eightyfour. To give us all of the
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fight announcements this week from the couplepromotions that we talk about, we're not
gonna talk about Joe Phiffer, MarcAndre Mariott for three oh three, Michelle
Waterson Gomez, Jillian Robertson for threeoh three Waterson Gomez, Jillian Robertson.
We mentioned last week they just werereally late on getting the poster out compared
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to when the fight was announced becausewe actually announced that with the main event
with Greg McGregor Chandler. My badabout the Pifer ABC fight. Yeah,
my guess is those two fights arenot gonna be on the main car.
I would expect Pifer versus Barrio tobe in the middle prelims because I think
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they still have some life left inhim. And I would expect Waterson versus
Watterson, Gomez versus Robertson to beon the early prelims. Uh yeah,
probably second fight on the card.I would think. I don't think it
gets the feature fight premise. Lotsof time, but uh, I'm not
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convinced McGregor Chandler headline that card.Maybe they do, but you're certainly gonna
have at least one title fight somewhereon that card, whether it's main event
or co main event. I believeyou're right that it's not decided where it's
gonna be. It may fall intothe main event because we'll see how things
play out. But they didn't announcethat it is the main event. You're
right about that, But they didn'tnot announce it as the main event either.
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But I'm curious. You're a bettingman, just looks safe bet whether
it's main event or not, there'sgonna be a title fight on this card.
You are a betting man. Whattitle do you think we see if
it's just one international fight week atthree h three, the women's band and
weight title. I feel like thewomen's band and weight title needs to be
on that card, and I feellike it at some point you're getting Kayla
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Harrison in there. Do we havea healthy women's band and weight champion.
It's either Penya or Pennington. It'seither an interim or the regular. But
I think Harrison. You get herback in there as quick as you can,
and you put that bigger star onher by having her near McGregor and
all the attention that's going to bring. If Pennington, because the issue right
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now is Pennington correct the Chantington.But she said that she's almost ready to
go, So I don't know.I'm just guessing here because we also just
had Waylee fight and you didn't havetatianas Warez around. So if the UFC
was really looking at turning around wayLee that quickly for an international fight week
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for June, I think we'd hearmore about it. So I'm a little
hard oppressed if it's not the woman'sband weight title. To wonder which title
it's gonna be, because as we'relooking at the calendar, as we've expanded
out after three oh three, itlooks like three oh four is gonna be
a welterweight title fight, three ohfive looks like a middleweight title fight,
(33:19):
and three oh six looks like itis gonna be the tough fight. I
mean, it's hard. Unfortunately Valentina, she doesn't want to do it in
Vegas, and she doesn't want todo it on on you know, Mexican
Independence Day again, you're gonna doit there. I'm sorry, that's just
how the tough season and everything looksto be playing out. Yeah, you're
gonna do it when they tell you. So. If we already got middleweight,
(33:39):
we know light, it's it's hardto say. And and Iliot Tapoia
looks bound to also possibly to bedefending that featherweight title fight on a global
scale. I'm almost talking to myselfin a Connor versus Chandler being the main
event Connor for a pay per viewand an international fight Week pay per view.
(34:04):
Connor McGregor might be the only fightyou can do that doesn't involve the
title that that would be a mainevent. I don't know that you could
do two fighters and one of themnot named McGregor at this point and it
be the main event. But Ido think you could do it with McGregor.
I think he's that big. Okay, so women's band and weight title
or how about one other thought?What about Tom Aspinall under Connor McGregor the
(34:30):
interim heavyweight title fight being defended.I still don't know if we're away from
that, And as we're looking atthe timeline, do you put Leon and
Tom on the same card at threeoh four? Because I saw Aspinall one
night in Las Vegas walking around.He looked to be fit as a fiddle,
doesn't seem to be injured. Ithink he's looking for an opportunity to
(34:52):
get back in there. Do youthrow him on a card somewhere just to
use that entity. I don't thinkyou're doing it here if you need a
title fight somewhere, maybe because Idon't think Aspinall is getting the winner of
Jones and Steepey, I really don't. So if that's not your plan,
(35:15):
if you're UFC having him go outand defend this interim title, and then
when Jones comes back, there's justno interim champ anymore. Seems a little
wonky, and maybe I'm really wrongon that, Micah, but I don't
think how this is gonna play out. I think somewhere near the end of
the year you're gonna get Jones andMiocic and Alex Bejeed is getting the winner.
(35:38):
I firmly believe that. Now.The one hiccup in that if if
stepe A wins, you're probably runningback he and He and John but which
would further complicate things for Aspenall forthat matter. But look great for Aspinall,
he's the interim champ. Now,maybe if you did Aspinall Pejeta,
(36:00):
uh and and that settles that period, because all right, Aspinall wins,
he's definitely getting the winner of JonesMeochic, and that also if you're in
the Pejeta camp, well you can'tdeny us at that point. So maybe
that's the Maybe that will be theway to go, Micah. If you
wanted Aspinall to defend the interim title, I have him do it against Bejeda.
(36:22):
But other than that, unless youjust need another title fight, I
don't know. Well, and I'malso just looking at from the calendar because
maybe we're thinking that that's the otherthing. I feel like you should fight
Aspinall here in June. That soundsmore more reasonable then I like your theory
(36:45):
of Jones Miochich. At the endof the year, I do believe Madison
Square Garden is going to be November. If it's November, we can't fight
at Aspinall in October. That makesno sense. Why is the interim champion
to defend right before the real title. So if there's an opportunity for Aspenall
(37:06):
to defend, wh's the only reasonI'm saying is because the dude's healthy.
He's just saying there. Sure,I feel like they might use him.
It's either gonna be three oh threeor three oh four, because you're either
gonna do international fight lead to tryto boost him by Connor and maybe give
us a token interim title fight onthe card because we're looking for a title
fight. Yeah uh, and thishas nothing to do with him. It's
just more card building. Or youdo something massive in the UK and Manchester
(37:29):
and you're putting him under Leon.But because if not, we're kind of
booked out to Aspinall's not fighting inAustralia. Aspinall's not fighting on Mexican Independence
Day, So is he headlining thecard the month before we're gonna welcome John
Jones back. That feels even lesslikely to me. Then I agree with
(37:51):
you on plus if you fight himin June. Talking about Aspinall here,
yeah, there should he win.Of course, he's available to be the
backup for Jones Miocic if you're bookingthat in MSG, you got to have
a backup plan in case one ofthem drops out for whatever reason. So
(38:15):
that would make sense from that timelineas well. And you're also right you
can't have the interim champ defending histitle in October and then having the real
champ make his return in November becausethat just highlights the absurdity of the interim
championship, right, Yeah, soyou keep them kind of opposite time lines.
And that's why I'm feeling like thewomen's band and weight title on that
(38:37):
interim heavyweight title are some sweet spotsto be played with in those summer months,
and we'll see what happens. Howabout Sean Omley. I believe Sean
that we don't see him if wesee Sean again this year? It's December
in Vegas. You don't think wesee o malley before December? Uh?
(38:57):
Maybe International Fight week? That wouldbe to literally you know what? Okay?
So in the words that you hadwith John Jie thinking you never had
him headlined, were they called himto see how he felt about three hundred
even though they knew he wasn't readyto go. I wouldn't be surprised if
they call O'Malley and they say youand Connor on the same card, because
they are already on their other siderecognizing Morob Duvalish Philly had the fans eating
(39:22):
out of his hand. They lovehim in Vegas. He is almost a
Vegas native for how many months he'sbeen training out there. They really love
him. That's another great one.I like that one even better. It's
just is Sean O'Malley willing to deviatefrom that time where he said I defended
dude. I'll catch you guys endof the year, early next year.
That's why I wonder could he headlineDecember? But maybe maybe he's a wise
(39:46):
enough businessman to think that. Connorme at a Connor press conference, Oh
that's the shit. I think UFCwill do everything in their power to try
to make that. U the opportunitiesof having O'Malley on on the McGregor card,
and again, depending on how youslot that maybe actually being the main
(40:07):
event. That's the question. Whodo you your first instincts? Carlisle,
those two fights devalish Philly O'Malley,Connor Chandler. To me, the title
fight is bigger, but to thepeople, Connor is bigger. So where
are you first instinct main event cominevent? Uh, As you might have
picked up on during our boxing conversation, I'm somewhat old school. I think
(40:31):
you got to put the title fightis the main event. But like I
also said earlier, Connor McGregor isthe one guy on a big pay per
view that doesn't have to have atitle to headline. So if UFC wants
to headline McGregor and and Chandler,I don't think anybody's going to complain about
(40:51):
that at all. But me personally, Ah, I'm old I'm old school,
but I might also be too oldschool if it's the women's VANDAM weight
unless it's vacant and it's a returningnoon Yez and Kayla Harrison, I would
not headline that. I would notput that over McGregor Chandler. If that
(41:12):
makes me sexist, so be it. I just don't think it's as big
of a Pennington Harrison. I don'tthink it's a big of a matchup if
you're doing Davish Philly O'Malley, Yeah, that might be. It's close,
it's it's it's close. It's ahard one. I don't know which way
I'm going with that. This weekend, you ready to get there as well?
(41:35):
At the old Apex there in LasVegas. Fight Night on uh oh,
and this one's on a regular ESPNas well as Plus for the main
card and the middle prelims as well. Interesting fight Night, Micah, Interesting
fight Night. Not all fight nightsare made the same. And no,
you know I love the UFC.You know I love to defend fight nights,
(41:55):
right. I feel like I couldbe more impressed for a card that
has three top fifteen matchups at thetop of it. And I don't say
that often, do I? No, I'll do you one better than that.
You could actually go five if youcount the top three fights with the
(42:16):
women's flyway. Top fifteen, yeah, half top yeah, all three of
them, and I'm not that excited. I'm not that being said, I
think nikol Allen and Perez will bea really good fight, I think,
And if you're sleeping on it,you might be doing yourself a disservice.
But yeah, on you mentioned it. Not all finites are created equal on
(42:39):
paper. This might be one ofthose that you're looking at and you're like,
if I'm around, I watch it. If I'm not, it won't
be the end of the world.But these are the ones that usually sneak
up on you too. They're gonnasneak up and surprise you. This is
gonna be amazing because no one's expectingit. This is gonna be great.
Matthias Nicolau ten finishes of his nineteenwins, five knockouts, five submissions.
(43:00):
He did lose to Brandon roy Vallin his last fight, but that's Brandon
freakin' roy Vall. It ended asix fight win streak where Nicolau had really
came into his own. It wasjust marking guys. Alex Petez is unfortunately
replacing I think Carlile's favorite flyweight MenelCamp. Yeah. Maybe maybe so that
(43:22):
it lost the little steam with thereplacement you have five versus eight, And
my biggest question is with not havinga win since beating two C or four
Amiga in twenty twenty three consecutive losseseight fights canceled some of his faults,
not how is Alex pet Is stillnumber eight in the rankings? Is it
(43:42):
because he just didn't lose it enough? Because he's the three losses are the
good competitors. Uh, I'm notgoing to answer that, only because when
we were talking about the three zerothree card and I'm looking at Gillian Robertson
and mi she Watterson wondering like hell, how can either of them still be
ranked? Especially Waterson? And Ibit my tongue and didn't say anything because
(44:07):
I want to be a good littlesoldier and I don't want to be in
a Dana White fuck you video foreverybody talking shit. I'm just not gonna
well, let's just move on.I digress. But it's just by the
way, quick quick slidebar. Thedata White fuck You video is pretty It
was pretty funny. Have you seenit where he's like showing clips everybody talking
shit about three hundred How it's notgonna be good? Oh? Oh,
(44:30):
I can't believe that this is thecard they're putting for three hundred and how
wrong everybody was. Dana why hemay not hold grudges, although he probably
does, but he certainly doesn't forget, and I think that's one of the
things that makes data. Dana andhe threw that out there, and you
know, a lot of people hadto explain themselves, just for all the
(44:50):
people that wonder why I was soadamant that I was just like, hey,
Dane is the one that kept stickingus fit in his mouth saying that
the main event announcement was gonna breakour minds. You know, that was
the only thing I'd be I didnot end up in that video, neither
did you. Thankfully that we werenot that foolish to discredit a card for
the former champions, right, Yeah, I like the card, so yeah,
but yeah, yeah, anyway,let's move on. Ryan Span in
(45:15):
the co main event taking on bugDan Muskokov Gusokov. Guskov has thirteen knockouts,
ten in the first round. It'san interesting matchup because he's a murderer.
He comes out so ferociously throwing,but he does not have the same
level of competition in his on hisresume that Ryan Span does. Span is
(45:38):
coming off of back to back lossesto cry Love and Smith. For a
guy that I thought could reach thestars, it seems like he is bumping
against the stealing that he just can'tget around some technical defense deficiencies, leaving
himself wide open to take some bigpunches that's costly against God. If Span
(46:00):
can get his wrestling going and geton top, there's a possibility for a
victory. But this one looks likesomething violent that could happen very quickly.
I have a sneaky suspicion SPAN's gonnamake quick work, you think so.
I guess this one to the ground. Yeah, we'll see, But yeah,
I kind of think so, yousaid. Also, there's another rank
(46:21):
matchup yet, twelve versus thirteen ArianniLipski, who think we kind of wrote
off for a while, but nowwith three fight win streak, best performance
of her career arm bar in CaseyO'Neill at her last time out taking Don
Cream and Silva Silva eight fight winstreak, six consecutive submissions, This one
should be really fun and interesting.After that, well, we got Austin
(46:43):
Lane versus Johnathan Dinyez coming off ofthe Contender Series, so big power punches,
Danya six and l all six windsare knockout Lane. Eleven of his
twelve wins are knockouts. Jonathan PierceDavid o'ama at featherweight. Of these guys
have been touted as big time prospectsbefore Pierce nine wins by knockout, two
(47:06):
submissions, most of that ground andpound. He's won five of his last
six, two and one in theUFC. Onama seven knockouts, four submissions,
three and two in the UFC,all three finishes, though all three
wins are finishes, an uppercut,a nasty standing TKO ahead, and arm
choke. That one's gonna be funbecause it's such a class of styles where
(47:27):
Pierce is going to be looking forthe takedown and Onnama is going to be
in the sprawl and brawl. Thenwe get to the man I mentioned earlier,
The forty year old tim means twentywins by knockout, five submissions,
thirty three victories overall. He endeda three fight skid in his last victory
over Andre Frialo, which was comingoff of a three fight win streak.
Actually, he's taking on Euros MedicicMedic submitted by Muttebeck or Bi in his
(47:53):
last outing. That's after TKO winsover Matthew Semwels and Omar Morales. Tim
is the bigger, stronger fighter.I don't know if Medich is really putting
on the right size for welterweight,and that experience means so much, but
Medic is a very good and dangerousstriker that should be taken seriously. Metics
(48:14):
is a huge favorite in that fighttoo, a huge favorite. He's minus
three to ten Tim's plus two fifty. That's pretty huge. I'm a little
surprised about that one, are youno, uh forty years old coming off
the three fight losing skid. Yes, he did win in his last fight,
(48:35):
and I love me some timmy meansso I'm not slagging on him and
wouldn't be surprised if he wanted tobe completely honest, But I get it,
I kind of get it, butalso in the most disrespectful way possible.
I think all three guys that beatmeans beat Medic. Like, if
you look at that losing stroo,Max Griffin, Kevin Holland, you might
be right. I Kevin Holland,you know what I mean, like Maron
(49:00):
Max Griffin might be the most questionablename on that list. Mediz's best win
Matthew Semmelsberger and Omar Morales. That'swhy I'm like, I thought this was
here the other way, Like,I'm a little surprised about it. Like
I'm not saying that I fully expectme to just whip his ass, but
I'm a little surprised to say thatit's not a closer betting scheme considering,
(49:22):
you know, the way that Medicgot submitted by oral By in his last
fight, and oral By is alsojust like a prospect at this point,
I'm probably a little too hard onthis one. Okay, we'll look at
the prelims real quick. I'm notgonna beat you up, but we are
in Albuquerque, New Mexico, sothere is some connective tissue on this card
for us. We have Gabriel Benitezopen up the card versus Machete. We've
(49:45):
talked about Machete before because he's wonhis UFC debut against Steve Garcia. Gabriel
beneath this. I met him whenhe was at Jackson Winks. He has
twenty three wins, nineteen finishes.That one should be exciting. A shout
out out also to Dantel May's heavyweightfrom Jackson Wing Academy. Had the opportunity
(50:05):
bumping to him many times. AndAustin Hubbard, who's on the card coming
off of losing the tough finale.I've got to see him win an LFA
title in person featured prelam two veterans. This should be fun and it's a
contrast to styles Victor Henry can doit all and he likes to throw down
and strike. Ronnie yah Ya isa grappling and submission specialist twenty one wins
(50:28):
by submission of his twenty eight oldschool jiu Jitsu Fighter. Early prelambs are
at four o'clock Eastern, so thatis one PM if you're all the way
in California. And I believe thatmain card starts at seven o'clock Eastern,
so that's a four o'clock West Coaststart time. So we are looking at
a pretty early fight night this weekfor the UFC. The earlier, the
(50:54):
better earlier, the better freeze therest of your night. Want to throw
out that we have LFA one eightytwo on Friday night from Minnesota. Mitch
McKee, Jose Hernandez, two topprospect bantam weights in that main event,
and you have Kushkin Kasha If fromRussia top prospect an a one hundred and
(51:15):
forty five pound or one hundred andforty pound catchweight bout in the co main
event. And then Saturday night afterthat UFC, you guys are freed up
to go to the YouTube channel Cagemat at Cage Minds Underscore CSN on YouTube
Cage Minds Combat Sports News. We'regonna be doing a live companion for Knucklemania
(51:37):
four, and I do believe MichaelCarlisle's is gonna come over to Dapper Barbershop
and hang out with us. Itis looking that way, Yes, it
is looking that way that we arefinally getting Carlisle to view with us.
Bare Knuckle It's Knucklemania for everybody.Familiar names at the top of the card.
Mike Perry, Tiago Alves is yourmain event. The superstar is getting
(51:59):
that. True you wondered about ifthe UFC would do it. Bare Knuckle
already doing it. We recognize thestars. The co main event is the
BKFC heavyweight title fight, Mick Terrelldefending against Lorenzo Hunt. If Hunt wins,
he will become a three division worldchampion, his third bare knuckle world
title. The featured fight has BenRothwell versus Todd Duffy, two UFC vets
(52:21):
familiar names to MMA fans. Thewinner there is most likely the heavyweight number
one contender, and for you boxingfans, Alfredo and Gulo will be making
his bare knuckle debut on the card. If you go over to the website
the YouTube, we do have aninterview up with Andrew angel Core and Rubin
(52:42):
war. They are fighting each otheron the main card. I've got the
opportunity to see both of them bevictorious live in front of me, and
I thought it'd be a fun opportunityto talk to both of them about smashing
each other. Both got incredible backstories. Knuckle not big on age limits.
I guess, huh age limits?Yeah, talking about in Gulo or Rothwell,
(53:08):
take your pick. But you knowwhat, Rothwell's like two years away
from fighting Jake Paul in an exhibitionboxing match, So but yeah, whatever.
Look, I also wouldn't say thatto did Rothwell's face either, because
he might be the shit out ofme. So obviously there's there's probably a
little stuff that left it to takeright, it's bare knuckle. It's different.
(53:28):
Yeah, just because they said thewrestling, the grappling, a lot
of the fast twitch movements on someof these joints, You're just not having
to be as explosive. It's adifferent outcome being able to use his size
and pull guys into the clinch andjust work on them with punches. I'm
not saying this makes him a differenttotally different fighter, but yeah, for
a lot of these MMA fighters,barre knuckle still gives you enough runway to
(53:52):
use the skill set that you haveleft. Well, there you go.
Mike can tell everybody how they cankeep up with you. Cage dot Com.
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