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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up everybody? Welcome back to MMA after Hours. I'm
Michael Carlisle, joined as always by Micah Frank Omiicah.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
How you doing, man, Man, I'm doing well. I'm sitting
here and just amazed, like I really didn't think it
would be as simple as it was, that that the
math would work out. And hell, there's no way I
thought both main event and the co main event end
in submission. Do you feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I think it went exactly how we thought it was.
Maybe the submission part no, But as far as Winter Loser,
I think this is kind of what we expected.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
And when does it happen like that?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
That?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
So I'm saying here, I'm happy, I'm good. I'm a
little bit shocked because it never works out how you plan.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Interestingly enough, coming out of UFC three sixteen, neither the
main event nor the co main event, or the aftermath
of the main event for that matter, are the biggest
stories coming out of that pay per view. We'll get
to it in a minute. We're gonna give that main
event a comaine event. It's dues or I should say,
the story coming out of the well, yeah, which one? Yeah?

(01:08):
The Komain I'm sorry the story coming out of the
Comaine with Kayla and demanded nunas. But let's jump right in, Micah,
because we do have a lot to get to. H
three sixteen in New Jersey. This past week, your main event,
Morob and Sean O'Malley Part Do You? That was kind
of similar to Part one?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Can we just go all French and say it was
part thin because I don't think we need a trilogy
of this.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Oh no, no, no, not anytime soon. We don't now,
maybe down the line, but I agree with you coming
out of this, there's no need for a third fight right.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Now, summer warning. Now, I got seven questions when I'm
done for you, Okay, well seven that will get to
but real quick take down one. The first round, I
thought that O'Malley did a good job of hanging in
until he didn't second round, same thing, did a good
job of hanging in until that last ninety seconds where
Morob said, you're playing this game, well, let's freaking sprint.

(02:10):
He sprinted on that last ninety seconds and separated the hooks,
the overhands, forcing the takedowns, the relentless pursuit, and then
the takedown in open space really led to some downfalls
to O'Malley because he was willing to just concede time
in those positions. It was the striking, inevitably in the

(02:31):
third round with the hooks that led to the double leg,
the dump, and then that choke that Morab went for
in the first round he goes for again in the
second and a kind of inverted north south choke eventually
gets the chat the tap because it looked like a
part power guillotine, and then the way that O'Malley turns

(02:53):
into it, it seems like it's not a guillotine anymore.
And I'm wondering if we could ask O'Malley in honesty,
like did you tap from pain? Was it a crank?
Was it a pull on the neck? Was it chest pressure?
I wonder what actually made him kind of submit because
it's not a traditional choke at such an awkward angle.
But that's some of the beauty of mirab duwalash Philly

(03:15):
is his excellency in the awkward.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
And that's kind of what I took from this fight.
I'm not sure Sean O'Malley improved his game plan from
the first fight, but I'm also not sure that he
didn't improve his game plan and it just was ineffective
because Morab is that damn good.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Because the first round, in the second round, until Morab
had his moments, Yeah, they were both being relatively equaled.
You wouldn't say that there was a big lead until
the takedown. You wouldn't see that there was a big
lead until that last ninety seconds. I think that the
part I wanted to ask you first off is did

(03:54):
Marap just get better? Is he consistently getting better?

Speaker 1 (03:59):
And we have reason to say no. I think all
indications are yes.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
That was the best strikings ever looked. Yeah, because it
was competitive with O'Malley. For as much as we want
to say O'Malley was competitive with Morab. That's the area
where O'Malley was supposed to win this fight. And Morab
was competitive with O'Malley. So is he getting better? Yes? Also,
he's not a finisher. This is a decision machine who

(04:26):
then found a way to up his performance from a
domination previously. And I will give credit what credit is
due to O'Malley because he did put on the size
and he did make adjustments. It looked like his get
ups against the cage were much better until they weren't
there were, There is a mitigating success rate. I think

(04:51):
with a shortcamp to improve. Morab has been doing what
Morab has done for like a decade. Right, O'Malley was
trying to make intimental changes and get them to work
in a twelve week span. The only problem with that
is that Morab is gonna hit you with those takedowns
so many times that eventually I think you're gonna hit
default mode and go back to some of your fundamental flaws.

(05:13):
And I think that's kind of the flaw in taking
the rematch so quickly. But what I text you is
did they even matter? All these life changes? What does
this say about O'Malley that you change your hair, you
change your lifestyle, you gotta have social media? Stop smoking weed?
Here now with celibate man, committed to your wife, you're
a great father, and it went even worse for you,

(05:34):
Morab de Wallers, Philly has totally changed who Sean O'Malley
is and it worked out for the worse for the man.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Well, look, there's still those are still some positive changes
if if O'Malley wants to keep them. But yeah, and
that's why I don't want to make a bigger deal
out of Morab than he already is. But I'm curious,
from the O'Malley point of view, has he just hit
a wall? Has he peaked and now it's here and down?

(06:04):
Or or is it more simple than that? Is it
Morob's just a well, first of all, Morob's a bad
matchup for everybody, Let's be honest. But is this just
a terrible matchup for O'Malley And it's going to do
him a lot of good to get away from Morob
for a while so he can get back and re
establish himself.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I think that they and by they I mean the
entire O'Malley team, everybody involved. I think they put a
lot of stock in the injury. They believe they were
the best man way in the world. They put a
lot of stock in what they did against al Jermaine Sterling,
and I think they overestimated how much that stock was worth,
and it just didn't work out in their favor where

(06:44):
O'Malley he did come in bigger, stronger. None of this works.
People are saying, should he move up in weait class?
What should he do? I don't know if running away
from thirty five is gonna be the answer. I've already
heard some people put out there and say it's a
bad matchup. Maybe you just stay away, you regroup, get
a win streak raps thirty four. There's only gonna be

(07:04):
so many years where he's still in your way. That
feels like a dangerous game. But I don't know if
the changes were a net positive. So it does leave
a lot of questions to be illuminated about Sean O'Malley.
And when you go back and look at it, there
was an injured out Jermaine Sterling, I hand put Cheeto

(07:25):
Vera and a debatable win over Peter jan Does the
exposed overrated conversation come into play for Sean O'Malley. I'm
not saying he is, but if you're out there having
it on the internet, I don't know if I'm mad
at you.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I think it's fair to ask the question. I don't
know that i'd say overrated, but again I don't think
it's a bad question to ask. I think part of
from a perception standpoint, not an Octagon stamp point, but
a perception standpoint with the fans. Part of the problem
that feeds into all that is O'Malley's kind of laid

(08:08):
back attitude, which some could take as doesn't care, maybe
heart not in it. And I'm not suggesting all that,
but I'm just saying, when you're that laid back, you're
that zen. And if you want to grab onto that
narrative of overrated, peak Morob's just that much damn better
whatever whatever, you can use all those little things to

(08:30):
help support your narrative. It is an interesting conversation. I
don't know that i'd call him overrated. I'll be honest.
I have at times wondered how committed he is, but
again I think that's just more of his his personality,
or at least the personality that he puts out in
the public eye.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
So I don't know, do you take a hit that one?
Does he take a hit in the public I'm a
public persona not for the failure, not for the loss
in the end unsuccess, but for quickly changing everything about
who you were, because that was your brand. The hair,
the lifestyle, the marijuana which you make a lot of
money off of. All of that stuff was the brand.

(09:12):
And then you turned around and said that was the
wrong thing to do, and you come up short. Is
he a big enough star that people will just cling
to any Shan O'Malley, not the character Shan O'Malley.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
And see I think that, actually, I would use all
that as an argument for why he does care, why
he does want to get better, because if it was
all about the image and all that, he's definitely dying
the hair. There's all these social media videos leading up
to it of him getting high and this and that
he went in a different direction. Now, one hundred percent

(09:51):
it did not work out in the end, made no
difference whatsoever. Maybe if the fight goes on longer, maybe
it does make a difference. Maybe it doesn't. But as
far as the fan base.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Though, and the fan base is I've got him this rematch.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think the loss is probably a bigger deal. But
assuming he comes back and wins his next fight or two,
I don't think that's gonna be a long term issue.
And I kind of have a feeling the weed stuff
and all that probably more of a short term thing

(10:32):
than a long term thing. Maybe I'm wrong on that.
I don't know. We'll see, but maybe I'm a delusional optimist.
I think O'Malley's gonna be fine. Now Rob's gonna have
to get out of the way at some point. But
as far as the short term, bouncing back all the
things you just asked, I think he's gonna be okay.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Maybe I wonder, I wonder if the fan base is
gonna care if you keep up with the new lifestyle
and you stay committed to all this and you office
social media, you're not doing your podcast, and you lay lower,
does the brand take a hit? Because the brand is
the only reason you got this rematch. It's not like
there was a huge demand that the fight was really

(11:13):
that damn close besides you and your team thinking it was.
It's not like there was another that you didn't have
other options. This was straight up. We feel like Sean
O'Malley is the biggest dance partner to get us pay
per view buys.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
No, and yes, But I look, maybe I'm very wrong here.
You might be one hundred percent right. I mean, we're
gonna have to wait and see. But I truly believe
he's gonna be okay from that standpoint. Maybe not, though
I will say this, the being off social media, they're
not doing his podcast, that ain't gonna help from what

(11:52):
you're talking about now, maybe his focus and all that
that helps. But as far as staying in the public
eye and feed your fans what they want, yeah that
none of that certainly helps O'Malley stay at thirty five
or entertain forty five. I think he entertains forty five.

(12:12):
I don't. I'm gonna say he goes up because I
think I don't. Maybe I'm wrong on this. I don't
think O'Malley cares as much about belts as he does paydays.
And I don't say that in a negative way. Hell,
we all want to get paid, and if they're bigger
fights for him monetarily not just wait wise at feather yeah,

(12:36):
I think he absolutely goes I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
You give him one of the top five at six
that featherweight, think about that, diego ilia Well, actually, shit,
it's hard to have this conversation. Most of those guys
aren't a featherweight, even though the damn ye exactly right.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's a.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Wait hold on year o sarv Ya year Arnold leron
Murphy because I'm not saying that other name.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well, I think the other name would be a perfect
fight for O'Malley, but but he's I also don't right right,
something's gonna happen fight week or fight night, and Ortego
wouldn't be able to make the walk.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Is the ideal opponent Henry Sehudo? Dude, they've had Arizona,
they've had beef. We still stay at one thirty five
former champions.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
It's not for Sahudo, but for Sean O'Malley, which I
think was the way you were asking the question. Yeah, yeah, yah,
yeah yeah. If he's staying at one thirty five one
hundred per it gets you a win. It gets you
a win against the name, regardless of what you think
of that name in twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six,
whenever this fight would happen. If he's staying at one

(13:46):
thirty five, that's probably a really good bounce back for him.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
And quickly to take this back around to marab before
we finish up, are we having the goat conversation for
him yet? Of the weight class of the one thirty
five weight class.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
I wouldn't crown him, but I think it's very fair
to have the conversation. And as assuming he continues to
reel off wins, we're probably talking a matter of win
rather than if. But yeah, I wouldn't crown interest yet,
but he's already up there for sure.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
People wanna The argument is Domina Cruz has more title defense.
Is Morab I think is on a longer win streak.
I kind of like some of the names though that
Morabb before, because he's got Jan and Aldo pre title
on pre his title reign on there. Those are some
really high quality, even though his title reign has been short.
But I'm with you he's nipping at Domina Cruz's heels.

(14:43):
Is Corey Sanhagen the automatic next fight?

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Because I believe it is it should be, and I
am fairly certain it will be. But until it's announced,
you never know. But I would be not shocked, but
I'd be surprised if it's not.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Saying this is a good word to say, yes, saying hey,
they had the interaction, man. I actually think that we
might be able to get them to spend like a
weekend together and just make some goofy tiktoks to promote
the fight rather than fighting each other. They obviously couldn't
stay in the same airbnb, but I think we could
get them on camera long enough to play along.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I think you could say the same thing coming out
of the komain event.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
But they would stay in the same air. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
More on that part in a second. But your comain event,
Kayla Harrison accomplishes the goal. She defeats Julietapania. She wins
the women's bannamweight title. Conveniently enough, Amanda Nunez was in
town doing a Q and A for UFC where she said, yes,
I'm coming back. Yes I won't win her. She's their ringside.

(15:50):
It took a little effort to get her past security,
but she comes in after the fight. More on that
in a second, though. Let's focus on the fight itself,
because while I absolutely thought of Kayla Harrison made weight,
she was winning, I don't know that I had second
round submission on the cards.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Oh I thought like a TKO pounding jeweling on a
Pennya's head in Yeah, we got into the clinch. Penya
was a willing adversary to exchange. DC relayed that she's
been interacting and training with some top notch collegiate wrestlers,
some huge mammoth women that are expected to do some
things towards the Olympics and the Trials, So she was there.

(16:31):
She was in entanglements in the clinch. She was trying
to hold her own until she couldn't. The only way
she got off her back was by some horrendously illegal
upkicks and because of the point deduction, hey we're reset
on the feet. So she survives the first round, second round,
got thrown to the ground and then got her arm
ripped off right before the end of the round. Kayla

(16:52):
Harrison is incredibly dominant when her A game is on
point in function, and this was a brilliant performance. How
that all equates to later I don't know, but tonight
we put an a plus on that shit.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Are you surprised Panya didn't try to hang on for
the bell that she tapped as seemingly quickly as she did.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Have you seen the size of Kayla Harrison's arms that
check his joke. That is a full power tour and
the the ramifications of letting your arm snap in that
position are horrendous. I think that that wasn't just the
business move.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
That was the realization of check my yeah. Hey, look,
I don't fault Juliana. Let me be clear, very clear
on that for tapping. I would have tapped as well,
but that late in the round. I was maybe a
little surprised and look, but maybe look everything you just said.
Maybe it was sinked in. She's like, there ain't no way,
I'm lasting another seven six seconds, five seconds, whatever it was.

(17:52):
I think there were seven seconds left when she locked
it in and the tap was with five seconds left.
Maybe she's like, there ain't no way. So I mean,
I get it, and I'm not being critical over on that,
but I was in the moment she tapped really quickly.
Maybe that has a lot more to do with Kayla
Harrison than anything anybody might want to say about Juliana

(18:13):
Pania's intestinal fortitude.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
I've seen some lightning quick taps. I've seen some long
taking tapers, and I always just believe that the athlete
knows when they're cooked or not.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
And if you make it to the end of the
round but your arms snapped in two, you've done yourself
no favors because you can't go back out for a
third round anyway. So yeah, at some point in time,
if it's synked in, I don't care how much times
left in the round. When you gotta tap, you gotta tap.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
And screaming is a verbal tap. And if I get
my arm snapped, which would have been a smiral fracture,
everything all the way down. Y yeah. I pretty sure
she's screaming her head off. I remember, and they brought
it up on the broadcast. Frank mir Mintaro Noghera. Always
tap when you're in a kamora and your arm is
starting to you know, be by your ear. Always tap.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
I have no problems with living to fight another day,
you know, from the metaphorical standpoint. But I did want
to ask the question because I have seen it thrown
out there. Now as far it's well possibly so Kayla
Harrison wins. Nunyaz comes in no surprise, but I think

(19:20):
this is exactly what women's MMA overall needs, and certainly
the bandamweight division, assuming they actually have that fight at bantamweight,
and I realize that's what all indications are. Now we're
on that in a second as well, Micah. But Amanda
comes in, they have their little love fest, they say, hell, yeah,
let's do it. Let's do it. They have their stare down.

(19:43):
I'm going to assume, because we're in early June, end
of the year, we're gonna get Kayla Harrison Amanda Nunias,
which is not only the biggest women's fight you can
make right now, it might be the biggest fight other
than that elusive aspinall John Jones fight that the UFC
cored book right now.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
As I sit here real quick, uh huh. With the
fights that are announced, is the Pereira and Calia rematch bigger?
That would be the only debate just of that random
conversation if you don't even want to indulge.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
We don't know. No, no, no, no, it's fair. I'm
going to say.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
No because the first time was kind of boring. Yeah, okay,
but look.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
That doesn't mean that when that fight's announced that everybody's
gonna yawn and say whatever. Of course there's gonna be
excitement about it, but we haven't seen Harrison. Nun yez.
This is Amanda coming back out of retirement automatically. I
think the biggest hurdle for Kayla Harrison is the weight cut.
I don't know if you saw the pictures of her

(20:52):
on the scales Friday morning versus the pictures of her
on the scale that the ceremony away ends Friday afternoon,
A world of difference, and which is true for a
lot of fighters. But she she looked like Jose Audo
emaciated on the scales Friday morning. It's just like, I
don't know. So, look, that's always going to be the

(21:15):
biggest hurdle for her. And then I'm not saying she's
gonna steamrolling man in Nuniaz or anything like that. I
think it's gonna be a great fight. But the biggest
hurdle for her is not gonna be the opponent ever,
It's gonna be the weight cut.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well, there's a couple of topics then to bring up
in this conversation.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Okay, one one.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Thirty five, it needs to be at that weight class.
But I would say, and I firmly believe this probably
a better fight if we did this at one forty five, because,
to be honest, Kayla doesn't look good at one thirty five.
I mean, she performs well when she gets in the
clinch and gets into the ground and gets to go
into default mode, but she really didn't look good on

(21:58):
the feet. I mean, there is an extreme place where
the Nunyez Harrison fight does not last two rounds, either
Nunya's gets to knockout or Harrison bludgeons are on the
ground because Nunya's. This takedown defense is suspect at times,
but Harrison, if she gets lit up and hit, it's

(22:18):
all downhill because I don't think she can come back
on Nunya's.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I think you've kind of backed yourself into a corner
that it has to be one thirty five because it
has to be for the belt. But let's think about
this rationally. Do you want to go through that fight
week and one of them not make weight and I say,
I don't just put it all on Kayla. Let's keep
in mind Nunyas had been doing one forty five pound

(22:42):
fights as well because she was tired of the fucking weightcut. Also, also,
she hasn't fought in two years, so that means she
hasn't cut weight in two years, unless she's just bored
at home and doing some random personal weight cuts to
see how it goes. So I do wonder if, ultimately,
if you're trying to book this as a bandamweight title
fight and you're getting close to fight week, or maybe

(23:03):
you're in fight week and one or both of them
ain't gonna make weight and you gotta pivot anyway, why
not just say I've never lost a one forty five
pound belt. Talking about Nunez, we're both goats. It doesn't
First of all, the belts don't even fucking matter what, right,

(23:25):
But you're destroying your your bandam weight division. If you
say the belt doesn't matter, yes, fuck it. Let's just
fight and see who's the goat, and then pain you
can do whatever with the winner or whatever whatever.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Whatever My thought is, is this fight a defibrillator, one
last heart beat into the division, because if a man,
if Kayla wins, we're talking about it, she's dying at
one thirty five. She's not gonna be here defending the title.
She's not a long term marketable star like Randa Rousey Woods.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
I don't even know that she continues to fight even
at one forty five. So I agree with you, I think.
But if you did one forty five, depending on how
the fight went, you have an opportunity for a rematch,
unless it's just a one sided affair, and you can
milk more blood from this turnip two straight weeks. By

(24:20):
the way, blood from a turnip analogies Micah. But certainly
at one thirty five, it's one and done, and I
know pain is called next. And I don't blame her
for that, And quite honestly, looking at the division, I
could probably buy into that, but I don't. I don't certainly. Look,

(24:42):
maybe Amanda's rejuvenated and she wants to stick around for
a while if she wins, I don't see Kayla after
this noon yest fight fighting at one thirty five again.
And if she's not fighting at one thirty five, if
you're not doing something to try to jumpstart one forty
five again, which maybe is a lost cause. And if
you want to tell me that, that's fine as well.
But yeah, I don't. I do not see Kayla Harrison

(25:03):
after this fight fighting at one thirty five in the UFC.
I just don't that.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
That's the bigger problem. What is there to do for
the women's division? As we said, this is a lauded,
so desirable fight. It's the end of a story, it's
the end of a division. Amanda Nuniaz I've heard people
reference that. She has said she was exhausted, tired, and
she's willing to come back and fight at thirty five
as long as her body will allow her to do that.

(25:29):
So that makes it sound like she would possibly entertain
a couple challenges after Harrison. Either way, it's getting dark
quick for the women's band and weight division where we
have a lack of star power, and I feel like
you have to make the decision instantly if you're the UFC,

(25:49):
is this a featherweight fight, abandonweight fight because you can't
let this be Caitlin Vieira and Macy Town from a
couple of weeks ago where we find out at the
wig ins Oh last night there were applications, it's now
one forty five fight. It feels like that takes a
lot of the luster out of it.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Here's what I would do, and I say this not
knowing off the top of my head. If Rockel Pennington
has anything book currently, I do. I do Nunyez Harrison
at one forty five, and I do Panya Pennington as
the comain event at one thirty five for that belt.
And should something happen with the one forty five weight cut,

(26:28):
one of them could stop their weight cutting and just
fight the other one at one forty five.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
I like your idea. I think there's a very minute
chance the UFC does that.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
The problem and again you're you're all but saying bantam
weight doesn't matter and I don't think that's the image
UFC wants to portray, but that might be the only
way you can guarantee you're gonna pull this fight off.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
I love Nunyez versus Harrison. The dynamic, the friendship, the
intensity will turn into a rivalry. The way is intriguing.
I have my problems though, with the Penya delusion creeping
into the scenario. Or we're really letting her like not
fight for a year and then she just gets the
winner of this fight. Does she gotta go maintain that

(27:15):
shit against Gitlan Vieira. I'm gonna dumont shit. Pick any name.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
I'm gonna say no, because nobody's gonna accept Norma Dumont,
Macy Chase. I'm not knocking any of these women, but
leap frogging Panya for next in line. You're just not
accepting that.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Look, I'm just over. Oh I am too, because great
fight against Nunya's is being leveraged into way too much
of a runway.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
I was going to ask you if she's Holly Holm
two point zero. She's at the point now. Look, she
pulled off a big upset. She won about hell, she
actually won the belt twice, but she had didn't successfully
defend it, but she's never far away from the title
picture now. But much like Holly was, her entire UFC

(28:02):
run basically, yes, you're right, yeah, and look I agree
with you, and look to me. Her act is tired.
Oh you're afraid of me. You're on steroids. I mean,
I've heard this going into multiple fights with nothing to
back it up. But what's a better option to bantam waight?

(28:23):
In all honesty, what's a better option? I mean right now,
there isn't one.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
I'm just saying, make her fight, and make her continue
to earn it, and not just allow her to ride
on the cotails of how she won. I'm not saying
bypass her. I'm just telling her she needs to stay active.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
I said a second ago, probably by the end of
the year. Do you think we get Harrison Nunyaz by
December or do you think it's into twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure what kind of shape
Nunia's is in. She seemed excited and ready. So in
the wild okay, in the wildness of imaginations, the very
last hope for a John Jones Tom Aspenall fight is
the December date. But when we look at the calendar
with October being announced for Las Vegas, and I believe

(29:12):
that November is gonna be Madison Square Garden, and then
December is back to Las Vegas. That's three options for
Jones aspinall, and one of those either that New York
date or that Las Vegas vate date November December. Both
of those would be really good spots for that Nunya's

(29:34):
Harrison fight.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
One last thing on this and we'll move along. You
saw what she looked like on the scale hitting weight.
You saw what she looked like Friday afternoon. You saw
what she looked like walking in the octagon by fight night.
I would be willing to bet you anything. Kayla Harrison
had put on thirty pounds.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Oh yeah, she had to be in the one sixty
five range. I believe on the broadcast they wanted attempt
and say a high one fifth. I think they were
underestimating it. I think that it's a if you ever
wanted to say that someone is a I don't even
know how to if you can call her a weight bully,
because nearly dying, there's the diminishing returns. But you're right,

(30:16):
she is about thirty thirty five pounds heavier than the
weight class com rehydration right, And.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Look, let me be really clear to anybody out there listening,
I'm not being critical of Kayla Harrison or noon Yes
for that matter, at all. As far as the weightcuts.
One of the things that kept Kayla Harrison out of
the UFC for as long as it did. She didn't
want to fight at one thirty five. That's a brutal weightcut.
She fought it in the Olympics at what one fifty five.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Olympics for one seventy the BFL she got a title
at fifty five and did at forty five.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah, that's just a hardwightcut and it doesn't get easier
as you get older. That that's my concern there. I
also think you can easily do that fight at one
forty five and it ain't going to hurt the fight,
but it might destroy the bandam weight division. And I
you know, I assume UFC cares about that. Hell, maybe
they don't.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Maybe I just get a Pennington versus Penya rematch and
then we because it was a split decision. He's gotting
a lot of credit office in close fights. Congratulation Kayla
Harrison one last thing, joining Henry Sajudo, only the second
ever Olympic gold medalists to where UFC goals. So congratulations
on all the history accomplished on the night. Real quick,

(31:29):
Joe Piper big boom to start two knockdowns, then kind
of had to manage the fight. Calvin Gastolm war works
his way back in the right guy won. In my opinion,
did Piper look rusty or is he over hyped?

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I thought it was fine. Honestly, my bigger takeaway is
that there's a whole generation of fans that have no
idea how much of a bad mffort Kelvin gastolon was
at one point in his career.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Because he just looks pudging and he's just.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Shell of his former So honestly, that was more of
my focus than is fire for overhyped or looked rusty
or whatever. I was like, Damn, Gastolum used to be
a beast.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
What it stuck out to me is what you said,
Gaslum needs to be a beast. I can't believe Pyfer
didn't finish him. Gasolum's that tough, okay, right, I can
work my way through that and then I get to
we're still worrying about cardio management issues because the Jackermanstein
fight was bad in that regiment, and we're also just
seeing a huge decrease in the output. Kelvin Gaslam's a

(32:33):
tough bastard, but he worked his way way too far
back into that fight for what we thought Joe Bifer
should do. I'm willing to not be harsher for John.
I got to interview him before the fight and say
he's right. He was gone for a year. He did
have a horrendous disease. But there is something to keep
an eye on if the next fight gets into the

(32:53):
third round and he's still lacking in these departments. So
I think this did take a little bit of the
shine off of the top prospect status.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Off the top of your head, Micah, has there been
a worse UFC debut than Pachi Mix. Not just that
he lost and Mario Bautista, people need to realize he's legit,
but Patchi Mix came out and looked like he was

(33:22):
thirty eight or thirty nine. He was flat footed, he
was slow. This man is still in his face. This
isn't even Pittbull coming in maybe a little past his prime,
ascring coming in past his prime, or whomever you want
to throw out there from another promotion where they dominated
PATCHI mix looked old and he ain't old. What the

(33:44):
fuck happened?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Who knows? Fighting in front of the biggest crowd you've
ever seen in your life coming out of Bellatore and
the UFC all that adrenaline dump the octagon, jitters. Quite
possibly the short camp because as much as you said
you were ready for anybody, this was a bad stylistic
matchup for you. Someone that could avert from the grappling

(34:09):
force the fight to be on the feet. I think
that there's a lot of circumstances and have people had
worst debuts. Yeah, the UFC did some guys from China
and Japan really bad coming over that were former champions
from other organizations, Hatsu Hayoki, Cowa Jury. There's been a
lot of disappointments in a day where the UFC wanted

(34:30):
to expose the other guys that were coming over from promotions.
But is this the worst one since Kayasa Kara? Oh wait,
we just had one, you know, seven months ago that
was given a world title shot and choked out really quickly,
like he had no business being in there.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
But you know, a Secura was a guy. Maybe a
lot of people hadn't actually seen fight. They had seen highlights,
they had seen flips, and they had heard all of them.
They had seen him well.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
According to the Bellator ratings. Not a lot of people
had seen Patrick well either. All right, fair enough, fair enough,
Like there's a reason why Ballotore failed. There's a lot
of us that know who Patchy is. Yeah, but and
that was not patchy mix. That was the worst showing
of his career. We cannot underline that enough. But to
say it was the worst debut ever, I think that

(35:15):
that's some great podcasting.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't ask
the question, is this really as simple as what Dana White,
what other people like to say from time to time,
is one hundred percent true? The best talent in the
world is in the UFC, and when people come over
from other promotions, they just getting generally speaking, and yes

(35:38):
there have been some exceptions, generally speaking, they just get
fucking exposed.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I would like to say that, but I feel like
the Patricio pit Bull case is a bigger evidence for
that because this was ten days Notice this is ten
days notice and what we want to now Patchy Mix
to across. We spend most of the time betting against
these guys coming in on short notice on apex prelimbs

(36:04):
against another freaking prospect. It's behind the eight ball moving
up to this level. What you said is the more
concerning factors. He looks slow, he looks stiff, he was
flat footed, and he did not get to his fucking rustling.
He did not get to his A game, Kayla Harrison,
as we commented a moment Ago has made a living

(36:25):
off of the A game. And if there's one thing
that Patchy Mix needs to take away from this shit,
it's get to your A game. Because we did not
see Patchy Mix at his best. It was a horrible debut. Thankfully,
he's young enough to get a runway to rebuild, but
he does look like a fool across the internet because
he way over blew himself, way over hyped himself. I

(36:46):
don't know if he gets a name with a number
next to it beforehand, but there's enough bound weights in
the sea that if you choke out Cardi Cody Garbrand,
He's coming up this weekend, you never know what that
does for your career. So I don't want to say
it's over for mix, but God did this shoot him
in the foot, and yeah, it is horrible. And for
any thought that he was a well rounded mixed martial artist,

(37:08):
he's kind of eating that one. Uh.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
He definitely didn't show anything on Saturday that that would
lead you to believe that.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Now on the other side, uh huh, what's your feelings
about Mario Batista? He just became the Bellator PF world champion,
proving okay, all right, well he just favorite employee. You
once again proved that the shields, so to speak of
the octagon is mightier than any other promotion around. I

(37:37):
don't know if any of that's believable, but we went
from boring Bautista against all though. Let's just be really
clear about this. He is a really good fighter, Mario Batista,
with multiple skills and an advance ability with him and
his team to set out a game plan. Because he
can strike, he can grapple. He's going to attack you
where you are worst. His right hands were great. The

(37:57):
right hands to the body were extraordinary. Where do we
go for him, though? Do we give him a bigger fight?
Does he get a main event of five round kind
of notoriety.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
I think he should definitely, if the cards align, he
should definitely fight up. Maybe not top five. I think
UFC has him at nine this week, but certainly six
or seven. Of course, that's Figuredo and Marlon Vera.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I saw an interesting rumor on the internet that was debunked.
There was a rumor that Marcus McGhee was gonna fight
Peter Jan. That has been debunked. It's not happening. It
was offered, but it's not happening if you're entertaining Marcus McGee,
Peter Jan, Mario Batista.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
If I'm Peter Jan, I stay away from that fight
because look, he won't because fighters don't think like pudgy
dudes doing podcasts who are chicken shit. And that's me
and I'll own it. I would be deathly afraid that.
Look here, I'm three in the rankings. I'm in line
for a title shot. Now I might have to wait

(39:10):
for san Haagan first, but I'm right there. If Batista
beats me, I'm fucked, at least in the short term. Now.
I again, fighters don't think that way, but god damn it,
they should. Micah, if I'm Yon I don't take that fight.
If I'm Bautista, I've already signed the contract and say
it and said send it over to Yan and let's
get a signature on it and let's go. So we'll

(39:34):
see how that plays out. But yeah, if I'm Yon,
I'm not interested in that. But if I'm Batista, hell frickin. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
If it's well, I think you probably get two options
realistically in the thought process. If you're the Batista management, right,
let's become the Batista management real quick. You look at
this and you said to yourself, well, hey, Maria, you
might get a headliner against Rob, Marlon Vera or Saga Doong.
All those are gonna be APEX headliners. We tell the
UFC we fight, Peter Yan might get to fight on

(40:03):
a pay per view card on a feature fight. You
might to go somewhere international and fighting a headliner. So yeah,
you're probably trying to throw that one out just because
the options I think get that much bigger.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
No, for sure, real quick, Micah, the opening fight on
the pay per view portion of the card, Kevin Holland
the submission win over the Cente Luke. That surprise you
at all?

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yes, because I thought the other guy would have win
in that exact manner, with that exact shoke. I just
kind of was done with Kevin Holland. And that's where
I said, do we have confidence back in Kevin Holland?
He has a beautiful dars choke, He can put his
shots together. That length is a huge advantage at one seventy.
If he has committed to one seventy, I feel he

(40:47):
can be a threat to guys in the top fifteen,
maybe not the top ten. What are you thinking from
Kevin Holland confidence back in him? How big of a
threat is he? Is this just a lot of smoking mirrors?
Gunner Nelson? I think they luke in the last two
just to remind everybody.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
I think. I think Kevin Holland's always confident in his ability?
Are you though? No, so I would lean towards smoking mirrors.
But if you're always confident in your abilities and you
feel like this, when like solidifies, you've got your groove back,

(41:28):
that's all that matters. And look, time will tell. I
guess the next fight, the fight after that, whether all
that's true, I'm going to go smoking mirrors. But my
guess is Kevin Holland's gonna tell me I'm crazy.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Kevin Holland is now at fourteen. He called out number
nine Colby coming. How Didacenta was Luca at fourteen last week?

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Uh? I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Colin just jumped over at MVP. He lost to MVP,
didn't he this wacky.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Lu K was ranked? He was positive? So yeah, man,
maybe he was down there at fourteen. Yeah, because he
ranked now. Yeah, Look, I don't hate the coving to fight.
And look, also, didn't Holland say I don't want to
fight these young guys, give me the old guys, which, look,
I don't blame him. And if you want to call
out a name and a name that you might get,

(42:25):
actually go out and beat. I don't hate that call
out at all.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I don't hate the call out anymore. I will bring
it up here later. I'm just getting exhausted about the
value of the old names. At a point, I'm like,
I don't know if any of you guys have like
lawn problems, but these, some of these guys are the
weeds that won't go away. How many fights do you
lose before we take you out of these damn rankings. Well,
I'm looking at you, wonder boy. And Covington. Yeah, I

(42:52):
don't have a problem with either one of them as man,
as people, just as numbers literally just numbers next to
their name.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
I have problems with See my comeback was gonna be
Maybe Holland realizes he's just never gonna get in title contentions,
so give me big fights, let me make money. He
has only thirty two, so I mean, look, don't get
me wrong, you'd rather be twenty eight. But it's not
like he's old and busted and over the hill.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Look at the names ahead of him. There's Gilbert Burns,
there's Colby kin Bosman Edwards. Like you eliminate those four names,
five names with Thompson and you're like, whoa, he is
really close to the top.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Already he's in the top ten, but Covington's nine, so
a win might get you there anyway. I don't know. Again,
no disrespect, but you beat Covington. Is Burns moving up?
Is Jeff Neial moving up? Steven Thompson moving up? Probably not,
so he probably just would leap frog all of them.
By the way, by the time that hypothetical fight would happen,

(43:53):
wonder Boy's gonna have another loss on his record. If
Burns fights again, he's gonna have another loss on his record.
So maybe you're killing two birds with one stone here.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah, you're looking at getting them like who's the next
young guy to beat them? I get that part.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, you're moving up in the in the rankings with
the win, and you're leapfrogging some of these older guys
that you were just talking about. So I could see
things playing out that way.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Not just the leap frog, but a freaking rocket up
the rankings. Joshua Van absolutely pieces up Bruno Silva, and
I say a rocking ship because it's alleged that he
is going to be jumping in from a new camp
to take on Brandon Royvaugh at UFC three seventeen. So
this is a man knocking at the door twenty three
years old, all the smoke, incredible boxing. I like the movement.

(44:45):
The dude needs to be more defensive, and if he
takes on with Brandon Royval this is too much too soon.
But the performance against Bruno Silva was some fire.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
I believe this is ninety nine percent happening. I also
think this is one hundred percent the wrong move for
Joshua Van. Look, regardless of how easy. You made it.
Look you went into the third round with Bruno Silva.
You're taking this fight on two weeks. Notice that is

(45:16):
not the way to advance. Look, it's a fantastic way
to show everybody what a badass you are. But for
your career, I think this is absolutely terrible and if
I was his management team, I would do everything I
could to talk him out of it. That being said,
you can probably go ahead and mark it down. Now
we're getting that fight in a couple of weeks at

(45:37):
three seventeen.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
You know the golden rule. If that phone rings you, yeah,
so do you say no? You don't know when the
next opportunity is coming. It's coming. It's going to be
too soon. But that' should not negate that Joshua Van
is a bad man and is one of the best
striking prospects we have in the flyweight division, one of
the best striking prospects we have in the light heavy

(46:00):
weight division. Can't really call him a prospect because he
looks older than both of us. Fine, we look old,
but combined us we still don't look as old as
Ozma Marzana Khanoff, who absolutely destroys riberro Love. The big
left hook, smells blood in the water and gets the
finish on the ground. I don't know if he still
has the time left to make a real run of

(46:22):
significance in this weight class, but shit, two O five
sucks some Maybe I'm wrong, huh.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Maybe what else stood out to you on the prelims,
Micah is that the rest totally screwed Sergei Spivac.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
We all know that one thirty twenty seven Acosta is
like a fireable offense. Andre Gusta Sin. I heard some
of his tattoos need to be investigated. So I don't
know if we're gonna see him again in the octagon,
But for at least the time we had him, he
was a relentless pressure freak that beat the shit out
of Chaos Williams, a Greco Roman fight like we haven't

(46:54):
seen in a long time, and just relentless pressure, knees, elbows, hooks, wildness.
Our favorite joke is gone from us. I heard that
wang kung is actually pronounced wog toong, not go buy.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
I think d C was just confused. He was hungry.
He's like, I need some soup. I think he was
just confused.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Man, No I swear Rogan did it and addic because
they would not say I.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Think they were trying to cut. They were trying to
cover for DC. They're like, look, I boys, you've done
this for me when I fuck up some of these names,
and I appreciate it. They're like, we're on pay per view.
DC's our guy. He's calling her fucking soup. At least
it ain't sweet and sour, so we're just gonna roll
with it.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
But you were hearing what I heard right Yongtong, and
I was like, where did this tea come from? I
was sure it was Coong. I don't even know about
that one, but we do know that, hey, she has
killer calf kicks, did some great body work. I don't
know about the thirty twenty seven because, for my money,
in that third round, Arianielevski went for it and she
got beat in volume, but I thought she landed the heart shots,

(48:00):
and I thought, that's what we're looking at. Nothing to
ride home about saying saying, yo, I'm gonna have to
figure out how to say this guy's name. He might
sleep me like he did to Jecca. That was a
crazy counter left hook sucked the man in and destroyed him.
The little shoulder fake.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
I believe it's one tongue joke. Never mind, this was
a call back to two minutes ago, Micah.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
I thought I wouldn't get you some extra syed in
sour sauce for that one. Maybe spicy mustard. But that
was the craziest knockout the face plant loved that. The
funniest part about that to me is Quillan salakd was
landing the same punch, just not as well. He did
that same thing. He grappling, stuck out and Mark al
Mendora's great calf kicks UFC three sixteen. That was an

(48:50):
incredible amount of fun, New Jersey. Thank you for the entertainment.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
We have enjoyed that one. They're in Atlanta this week
for fight night. We'll talk about that later. So see,
it was Saturday night, Friday night, Micah, you were at BKFC.
They were in.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Albuquerque right here at the Tingley Colli CM and Albuquerque,
New Mexico. BKFC seventy five, First fight of the night,
First fight of the night. This shit, this shit's wild.
Dominic Carrey quits right before his entrance and doesn't fight
Zay Garcia like the whole Macy Barber set up thing.
But no, not a medical happening, not a panic attack,

(49:27):
anxiety attack, just a straight up I quit. So you
know what happens when you quit.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
You don't get booked again, you can't.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Find your show money. So that that's the commission holding
that and you get a two year suspension. Unfortunately Zay
Garcia didn't get to fight. That was some booty crazy
shit that I have ever seen. Shout out Bobby Henry, Skyler, Muller,
Craler crazy knockout victories jump up to the top of
the card. Dave Mundell puts Donald Sanchez down on the

(49:56):
ground three times in the first two rounds Sanchez, a
veteran Warriors Through, manages to make it to the decision,
but it's all Mundal the south pot able to get
inside his awkward style, his footwork. He was getting Sanchez
crossed up on his feet, huge pressure a just a

(50:17):
spectacular performance from the end. Still champion, and it's interesting
to see what appen next for Dave Mondell. Does he
go up and wait to fight Josh Dyer, who we
will have an interview up this week because we saw
him here in town, or do we get a challenger
like a Mike Perry maybe somebody else. Christian Edwards, who's
unbeting in the company, was ringside? Excuse me? Markets Edwards

(50:41):
was ringside, who's unbeating in the company, yelling after the fight,
We'll see what BKFC wants to do. But Dave Wendell
prove why he's bound for pound number one. On the
night cageminds dot com we got full results and stories
from UFC three sixteen and from the BKFC seventy five
that we were live at.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Awesome. Anything else in this past week.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
This past weekend, No, just a whole bunch of news
to get to.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Well, let's jump right in. Hell, no sense waiting around
unless we want a debate, soup or fighter name. Well
real quick.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Actually, there was something from this past weekend that does
ring a bell. Did you see the Davis brother saga,
the the craziness that Top rank boxing over the weekend? Yeah,
well that's a one on one on how to blow
your career in about five minutes. Yeah, Keyshawn Davis was
about to be a upcoming face of Top rank boxing,

(51:32):
and of boxing and of boxing itself. He gets into
an altercation in the back assaulting the opponent who had
just beat his brother. And then when they go on
national TV to talk about the assault because ESPN sought,
happens again.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
And a bigger fight breaks out.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
That is some shit. And then we got this morning.
You know, Canelo versus Crawford is gonna be on September thirteenth,
is gonna be somewhere in Las Vegas and is a
TKO ring Dana White, Turkey Alocaste Solika something. There are
so many entrities parting for this. Just called it the
Legion of Doom Presents.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
I'm gonna guess this is a t mobile. Maybe it's
not out of the realm of possibility. They're doing it
at Allegiant.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
I thought there was some kind of scheduling conflict with
that date and Allegian and quite possibly a collegiate football game,
like a college football game something with UNLV, so I
thought that date was our location was being moved. But
it does not say the venue on the press release.
It does not say the venue on the poster. So
if you've seen something updated, I am a little curious

(52:39):
as to know, but we do. Also, I'm sure we'll
get the details because the press release did outline a
Los Angeles, New York Saudi Arabia press tour, three different
dates coming up here at the end of the month.
What's the date on it for the event, It's September thirteenth.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
On September thirteenth, UNLV is home to Idaho State. The
game could easily be moved to a Friday, though.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
We'll see. Maybe that's some of the theistic being good
why we don't have a venue named yet.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know about it if there's something
going on at at Tea Mobile or not. But it's
easy to say.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
If you go from T Mobile to Allegiance, you're talking
about like four times as many people right at Allegiant.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I don't think you're still in Allegiance though, But yeah,
you will definitely get more people in an Allegiant stadium
for sure, because you will sell out Team Mobile with
this fight, no doubt about that. So even if it's
just ten thousand more people and you got twenty five
to thirty thousand in Allegiant Stadium, yes.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
You will get more people there and it works out
nicely for Dana White because I believe and sorry we
brought this up last week. San Antonio UFC notch. I
now believe it's September twentieth, So I think this works
out for Dana White and now he gets the second
rate the events by a week, which was a point
of concern previous to these logistics being worked out, because

(54:08):
I think the Guadalajara fight card was supposed to be
the same night or are they now the same night?

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Uh UFC still lists not Cha as the thirteenth, doesn't
mean it hasn't been moved, but you may very well
be right on that. They're not always the quickest to
update those far out fight cards. But yeah, they solicit
as the thirteenth, just but yeah, look, it'll all work out.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Did you also see the new UFC Venture BJJ Brazilian
Jiu Jitsu UFC not fully the karate combat dynamic. It's
a octagon shape, but it is a fight pit. So
that's where we're going to be rolling in and the
UFC will be crowning three champions immediately. So what we

(54:57):
got is a really quick, rapid series taking place International
Fight Week. The Wednesday that International Fight Week starts off,
you get the first UFC UFC Brazilian Jiu Jitsu one.
They're gonna crown band and Weight lightweight welterweight champions. The
two bandamweight competitors, Mikey Moussamechi and Gabriel Arises. I think

(55:22):
is how you say his last name. They are gonna
be the coaches. You get a UFC Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Road to the Title starting to air on June sixteenth,
and you're gonna get one episode a day noon Eastern
in lead up to the series. It's lightweights and welterweights.
It's a tournament, it's the ultimate fighter for jiu jitsu.
It's only taken place in like a week in Boom.

(55:42):
You get the finals really quickly for International Fight Week
three champions to be crown. UFC going all in with
jiu jitsu, and it looks like Claudia Gadelia is having
a heavy influence and overseeing this.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
I could see that because I don't know what her
capacity is, but since she stopped fighting, she's been around.
You've seen her around it at events and stuff.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
She was a Brazilian fighter liaison being a translator, and
she was in there assessing foreign fighters' needs because it's
just how different the countries are coming in and how
you can acclimate them to Las Vegas better. She had
told me that last time we saw her. Okay, So
now this makes even more sense with her background in
jiu jitsu, and I did see a little press conference
with her, So I think how Dana White has kind

(56:30):
of people that stand out and do the forefront for
power slap. Now, I think that's kind of kind of
be her position with the jiu jitsu because Dana is
so focused on the boxing.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Are we seeing a concerted effort to boost up fight Pass.
I'm assuming that's where we're going to get this.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Well, the interesting part is it's on the YouTube channel
to watch the series. Yes, the event is going to
be on five Pass. I think this also substitute for
the Fight Pass Invitational in some sense that that will
be gone gone for good, or I just think it's
gonna take that instead of having it like six times
a year. I wouldn't be surprised the fight Fast Invitational

(57:13):
is like twice a year, three times a year, you know.
I mean it's minimized to add the focusing. Because you
started to see for the Fight Pass Invitational at the
top of the car they were getting real jiu jitsu players, right,
I think they want to shift that focus to this platform.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Could be could be all right? Fair enough?

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Also talking about no chay, Yeah, what fight do you
want to see at UFC? No cha?

Speaker 1 (57:34):
I don't know which one I want to see. What
do you want to see?

Speaker 2 (57:36):
I want to see how Hea Rodriquez versus Diego Lopez
because they almost did that shit in front of us
on a damp stage for free. They almost did it
for free. They were up there, they're chirping, they're back
and forth. One of their friends got dumped in the
street in Mexico. We like drama, we like story, we
like intrigue.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Right now, why wouldn't we like this fight? Oh? I
would the fight. I don't think it's gonna happen, But
maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
It seems like the UFC even wanted to fight.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Is yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Your Rodriguez right or wrong for his approach to this,
because there's a part of me that says he's wrong,
because the challenge a man to a street fight is
quite beneath what we would think of these professional fighters.
And you know, dramatically telling us on stage that you're
gonna get revenge for your friend and then declining the
fight because you realize if I lose, I look bad

(58:27):
and it's gonna be a bad financial opportunity. That's why
I don't call somebody out in public.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
You can't back down after you call him out. But
as far as to call out in the street and
in the file, fight you in the streets and all that.
And I don't mean this negatively towards the two fighters specifically,
I'm gonna mention, but in a world where Codder McGregor
and Nate Diaz still exist outside of threatening to murder
someone's family or something like that, I'm not sure there's

(58:56):
a line you can cross going out, you know around
fans ors are yes, but I mean you get my boy.
As far as what you say or whatever.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah, it's not like that. It's just like it takes
away from the manhood, the bravery, the warrior spirit. I
have an opportunityhere, can fight you on fair terms. Now
I want to do it like some thuggery because of
how this the professional implications due you called him out
of public in front of all of us, like a
thousand people or something. It's it's hard to walk it

(59:25):
back on that one. And I hope the UFC finds
a way to convince them to make the fight. I
think it would be freaking bananas finoce what else you got?
We also got the PFL deciding that tickets are twenty
five dollars.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Now, I've been waiting for this because where I come
from this and where you come from this are going
to be a little different. So I want you to
set me straight on this. First of all, I wish
Don Davis would shut the fuck up. I realized, Hey, man,
I wish I could just I mean, I realiz I

(01:00:00):
could just unfollow him whatever. Don't have to pay attention.
But whether it's winn or take all PFL or UFC,
let's do it, Dana and GANU John Jones, which is
never gonna fucking happen. And by the way, Don Davis
knows that. Whether it's putting out all events on the road,

(01:00:20):
no Apex shows, twenty five dollars, price tickets new entry tier.
Watch PFL internationally in the US on the PFL app
we listen to the fans and improve, we innovate the
sport for opportunity. No motherfucker, while you're taking shots at
Apex shows, you ran a whole goddamn season on a
sound stage at Universal Studios in Orlando, which again no

(01:00:42):
different than APEX. I get you, but don't take fucking
shots at APEX shows when you were doing the same
fucking thing. You're pricing your tickets at twenty five dollars
because you've got to fill small buildings now because you're
leaving your sound stage and nobody's gonna buy ticket gets
to see your subpar product if you charge more than that,

(01:01:04):
I don't know how many people are gonna buy the
twenty five dollars once. To be honest, the app thing
and you and I were talking about this before we
went on the air. I believe maybe it was while
we were on there. I don't remember it, but regardless,
I actually like that. I think that's good. But being
braggadocious for your failures is no way to go through
life when everybody realizes that. That's my issue. I don't

(01:01:26):
think in and of itself, twenty five dollar price tickets
are bad. Getting out of your sound stage not bad
at all. All those are good things, but the way
you frame them in your damn tweets and whatnot, you
come off like a fucking ass, and not like an
ass who can back it up. Just like a dumb
fuck ass and that's no way to go through life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Don Davies is a press minus and real quick you
throughout the app thing. For everybody that hasn't seen that announcement,
there is a PFL app. You can download it on Iso, Apple, Android,
whatever it is a This app does allow you to
watch all of the international events. If you care about
PFL mina PFL, you're PFL Africa, You're able to watch

(01:02:08):
them through this free app. The most important part of
that is the PFL Africa main card, Dakota, Ditchiva, Johnny Evelyn,
the best fighters in PFL you can watch for free.
This is a bad move for PFL because they've obviously
failed to secure any sort of television rights deal and
this now affirms that they lost the Dezonne International deal. Now,
from the twenty five dollars ticket standpoint, I like that

(01:02:31):
from the standpoint that it's the selling point to at
least get fans in the door, sure in that local
market to take a look at your product. They're going
to Nashville next, that's a huge city. If people hear
about it during fight week, I can see it moving
because it's an easy, cheap ticket for entertainment on the
night for a good couple hours. I think that works
out to be for a fan favorite. I think Don

(01:02:53):
Davies is an ass hat that doesn't know how to
promote promote mixed martial arts and a lot of the
shit he says is only thing. Also with the with
the sound stage, they at least only did the first
part of the season. It was the first three events
they tried an idea. It was bad, and they're abandoning
ship on that look and see, that's just it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
I get why they tried it, and I don't think
it was bad to try.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
It, But gloating about trying and living you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Got no Apex shows, motherfucker, you wish you could fill
the goddamn Apex, which.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
I actually did. Hear a report we were having this
conversation last week that I think they are going to
increase the seating by three times the capacity. That came
from Aaron Bronstetter.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
So that's probably going to get you somewhere close to
fifteen hundred ish, I would be my guess.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
I didn't know if they were shooting from maybe two thousand.
Maybe maybe that's like you know, a regional show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Yeah, no, like, none of these things are bad. They're
actually all good things for PFL too little, too late,
well quite possibly, until you get out and put out
shit like this, that's my problem. And look maybe that's
just me and I shouldn't be so hung up on that.
That's why I wanted to throw this out to you,
because I know that you would probably look at this

(01:04:03):
a little bit differently.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
It's affordable now, so yeah, well it brings right No, no, no, no,
I understand right, no.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
And I understand that. And by the way, yeah, tickets
as low ast twenty five bucks, they ain't bad at
all until you, you know, we listen to the fans
and improve, we innovate the sport for opportunity. No, motherfucker,
let's be really honest. This is why you shouldn't have
said anything, because anybody with half a brain knows this.
Your twenty five dollars price point is because you can't

(01:04:34):
sell tickets. Otherwise, if you and look any other if
UFC couldn't sell tickets, they're gonna drop ticket prices right
and venues where you have dynamic pricing, you get closer
to an event, whether it's a concert, sporting event, whatever.
Tickets aren't moving those prices drop. There's nothing wrong with
the twenty five dollars tickets. But and I also get

(01:04:56):
why you don't want to come out and say, well,
I mean we're PFL. You know we ain't UFC, so
this is all we can charge. Yeah, you never say that,
But don't try to gloat like, oh, we're taking care
of the fans. Only twenty five dollars tickets. Suck. You
suck at UFC, motherfucker. If you could sell tickets for
what UFC, could you do it now? Goddamn heartbeat. So

(01:05:17):
don't come in here with that. That's what makes me
hate PFL so damn much. I'm convinced nobody knows what
the fuck they're doing there in the management. I'm not
talking about fighters on the management side of things. Nobody
knows what the fuck they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Okay, So I was gonna ask you the Carlisle scale,
but I think I already know how this is gonna
weigh more excited about UFC jiu jitsu or the PFL news.
Uh damn, I got you buy the short ones on
that one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
The jiu jitsu thinks just because it's different for UFC. Look,
there's BJJ all over the world. So I'm not trying
to claim that this is so great new thing, but
I'm curious how UFC presents it and all that. I
don't care where pfl's doing shows. I know how it's
going to be presented, you know. But again, look, pff

(01:06:12):
these are all good moves from PFL. Usually just take
Davis's Twitter away and just put up press releases on
at PFL on your social media channel or whatever. And
because this ruins.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
It, I'm not going to be able to get over
going to the UFC website and power Slab Tko boxing
UFC jiu Jitsu now popping up on the same homepage
as my actual UFC.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Personally, I'd like a little separation from all these things.
But I get it. You're trying to get eyeballs, so
why wouldn't you utilize your big dog to get the eyeball.
I understand it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
I understand where you're coming from, but yeah, it kind
of bugs me is because look, and I'm not knocking
it for those who like it, power Slap doesn't do
a lot for me, So I don't want to see
that when I'm going over to UFC dot.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Com for something you asked a question earlier, and why
he hasn't it. I have a feeling after a while
UFC BJJ ain't gonna be doing a whole lot for me,
So I don't want to see it, but I get
why they're doing it. And even if I don't like it,
or if you don't like it, I mean, it's smart
to use UFC to market those things.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Let's get over to the fight announcement Danny gave Patricio
Pitbull UFC three eighteen in Illinois, July nineteenth. I think
this is a pitbull And imagine when he came over
from Bellator PFL was Dan egay, okay, we'll move on
real quick. I could see that look on you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
No no, no, no, no, no, no no. It got back
to our earlier conversation about patchy mix and is it true?
Does the lack of success we've seen and look, we
can go back further than than pitt Bull and Patchie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Ben Askrin, Yeah, Hector Lumbar, this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Might hurt some feelings. Mikey Chandler, who's sub five hundred
in the UFC. I'm just saying yeah, and I'm not
saying this, but if one were to make the argument
that this further solidifies the best fighters are in UFC,
and I don't care how good you do in another promotion.

(01:08:36):
When you come here, you get exposed off the top
of my head, and I look, I'm certain there are others.
Kayla Harrison is the only one that that disproves that argument.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Kayla Harrison. Daniel Cormier is a real strong one. We
had Luke Rockell.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Post strike, yes, and this gets a lot more debatable
the further back you go. I've meant more from a
more recent time, bellatur pfl them rise.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Successful, I would say outside of Kayla Harrison, and this
is debatable, but he held the title. Eddie Alvaris he
lost his debut, but Eddie done got that one fifty
five title from r title. He did get the bell.
I mean, he didn't have a great end to the rum,
but he hit a pinnacle.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
But yeah, we've already talked about that. I don't want
to debate it again. But that was the reason for
my hesitation, because yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
July nineteenth card, we subtract Amanda Hebus versus Tabitha Ricci
because that one gets pushed back a week to Abu
Dhabi on July twenty six. Oza mat Bukayev versus Torres
Finley and Rodolfo Vieira versus Tristan Gore have both been
added to the August second UFC Vegas won eight card.
Back to the Apex for that one. Assault and Rosie

(01:09:50):
Boyev and Brian Battle are gonna fight at middleweight at
UFC three to nineteen on August sixteenth, and you get
Alexander Hernandez versus Chase Hooper on the same card. Remind everybody,
UFC is returning to Vancouver October eighteenth, and we do
our yeah, October eighteenth and October fourth, I went out
of order on the date. It's my bad on that one.

(01:10:11):
We do get a UFC Vegas pay per view. Are
you surprised to now know Vegas was March. It's gonna
be June, October, and December for the UFC A little surprising,
a little surprising that October day. It feels like that
was gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Be somewhere else, very possibly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
And it's interesting that now that Noche moves to San Antonio,
it became a fight night and that literally calendar wise,
gives us no pay per view in September two in June.
No pay per view in September. A little interesting in
the scheduling.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Are the dates full for September or is there an
open date?

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Got to hit the calendar real quick on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
But we you don't have to look it up. I
didn't know if you had it right in front of you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Sorry, didn't have that right in front of Benny, because
I was already starting to think about you wanting to
hear about my last bit of news. Yes, I did
tell you that the BKFC was going to make their
debut in Australia, so much so that they've announced it,
posterized that tickets have went on sale. It was given
the green light, the go ahead approved by the Commission,

(01:11:25):
and then it wasn't. And when I talked to David
Feldman on Friday night, off to the side, he did
kind of tell me I have to have a hearing.
I have to talk to them again. I didn't report
any of that news, and now it seems like other
outlets have caught wind of it and now know that
there is some kind of conflicts. Once source sighted that

(01:11:46):
there a lack of safety equipment is what is troubling
Dave Mandale and I don't want your weigh in on this.
The BKFC Heavyweight Champion middleweight champion that we mentioned earlier,
he's like dude. When I interviewed him, he said, Dude,
I don't hit as hard in bare knuckle as I
do with MMA because the gloves protecting my hands, I'm
not trying to break them. One and two knees, elbows,

(01:12:08):
and shins are never protected, and I can hit you
a lot harder with any of those than my hands.
So I don't know what the big deal is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
So when you say safety equipment, you're talking specifically the gloves.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
I'm guessing that's what they're talking about, because you're.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Not talking about the number of ambulances at the back
of an arena in case something happens that the number
of medical personnel on site or anything like that. We're
talking Oh wait a second, bears BKFS. We we're just
now connecting the dot. Oh my god, No, no, we
rescind our approval of this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Yeah, that's apparently what it's being told. Because they have
a doctor on staff for people that are wondering. The
Athletic Commission normally wants you to have a doctor from
in the state. Sure, we had a doctor from in
the state. We had their staff doctor, and we did
have four EMTs, two stretchers, and two ambulance in the
back of these. I was back there before the show.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Most commissions, yeah, most commissions require two ambulances because if
somebody has to go to the hospital, you gotta have
another ambulance there in case somebody else has to go
before the first ambulance can come back.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
So, yeah, and you had two doctors because there are
a lot of one always days ring side. Why don't you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Remember maybe it was real quick sidebar there was a
pro wrestling event within the last two months that had
suffered a long delay because someone early in the car
had to be taken to the hospital and they didn't
have another ambulance there.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Yeah, I've seen small shows. Yeah, I don't know which
one that is, but maybe it was GCW or something.
But but yeah, so yeah, look, abundance of caution. But
it doesn't sound like that's the question here with BKFC.
It's holy shit, wait wait wait, no gloves.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Really what that might have been the impact leon? Maybe
maybe y y y yeah, yeah, but either way, normally
two ambulance rounds. I'm not sure what they're talking about.
And again from all the medical reports, BKFC less concussions
and it's more facial tissue damage, a lot of swelling,
a lot of black rice, and some minor lacerations. Not

(01:14:09):
as many concussions have been attributed to BKFC as it
is to boxing. So it is a weird retroacting from
the Commission and we hope to have an update after
Dave Feldman has that hearing again in Australia. So right
now BKFC in Australia, don't buy your tickets. Put that
on pause.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Here's what I've learned, Micah. If you want to take
fight nights on the road and out of the Apex,
you just need a main event, maybe a halfway decent
comin event, but you take away the main event, it's
an Apex card. Certainly, if you take away the Comaine,
it's an Apex card. That being said, I'm all about
getting on the road. I don't have a problem with

(01:14:51):
the Apex shows. Everybody prefers an arena show. Let's be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
This ain't Seattle though, no, this is barely a Kansas city.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
But your main events Kamara, Lusman and Woking Buckley. Now,
Usman maybe headed in the wrong direction. At this point
in his career, He's still an established name, He's still
a big draw for the Atlanta market. I love this
main event, Usman Buckley. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
I think that this is a great fight and another
way to climb up the ladder for walking Buckley. I
think that there's just so many questions about Usman that
how do we answer how do we start to answer them?
How do you start to pick this fight in his
favor because it feels like he has to be able

(01:15:45):
to control the fight, control the terms. I think that Buckley,
at this point, because of the age, because of the
more than documented knee issues that Usman had, the speed
advantage is just going to be so ridiculously in favor
for Buckley that I don't know how Usman sets up
a shot to get in for a takedown. Usman is

(01:16:07):
a nothing of tough. We saw him go into a
complete war with hamzat Chimaia, and that's where the only
real trepidation comes from me is what does Buckley look
like against Usman in round four and five? Because Usman
knows how to win championship fights, championship rounds and dig deep.
If Buckley's not able to get off early, I think

(01:16:28):
it could be a bad night. But I believe that
we're gonna see a Buckley who's able to go first
and go third in the combinations and pick apart. Usman
used this movement and shut down the takedowns. I don't
know if we can get it a second week in
a row where it just feels like one guy is
going up, one guy is going down, and this is
all walking Buckley's fight to lose. All that being said,

(01:16:49):
Usman is tough.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
He is, but he's thirty eight years old, is an
easer shot. He's lost three in a row. He hasn't
won a fight in three and a half years, Micah,
and that was Kolbe Covington in November of twenty twenty one. Now,
look the two Edwards fights and the Chimi have fight.
No shame in those losses, but just everything at this

(01:17:11):
point in his career is working against Kamara Ousman. Buckley's younger,
he's tougher.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Proddly in the prime of his martial arts career because
we've seen the kind of finishes he's putting together. And
I think he was unaware of who he was early
in his career. Was he a middleweight? Was he a welterweight?
And I feel like that understanding of knowing who he
is has also put him in a better predicament.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
I look, this isn't let's shit all over Kamara Ousman.
This is just the reality of where he has is
at this point in his career. This has nothing to
do with his legacy being the former welterweight champion and
all that. I mean, all that's solidified.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Biggest question I got for you are the odds right?
Are the odds too big? Are the odds too far apart?
I think I think I'm seeing uh a minus two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Fifty eight for Buckley?

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Yeah, plus two ten for Ousman. Uh are you? Are
you so convicted? Would you throw b Buckley into a parlay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
To win or to lose? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Taking Buckley on a parlay to win?

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, I would stay away
from this fight only because well, yeah, you're pissing your
money away if you're if you're taking Oosman, you're gonna
have to bet a lot to win a little with Buckley,
unless you're throwing it in a parlay like you said.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
That's why I was saying parlay because it's such a
big fav.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
I am incredible. I put it like this, I'm incredibly
convinced Buckley wins. So take that how you want. Yes, Yes,
if I was doing a parlay here, Buckley would probably
be in it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Okay, I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
It could be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
How is noon? How is Unis Maverick the same odds?
I don't see that. I see this one as a
lot more Miranda Maverick being able to just nullify and
ground and take Nominunis out of her element because of
the size and the physicality.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Remember what I said earlier about Sean O'Malley and the
persona he puts out where he's stoic at at times,
And I realized O'Malley's in an enigma because he's also
flamboyant and all this, but you see him at times
and he's stoic and he doesn't say a lot and
he's kind of quiet. Rose domin Unis is the same way,

(01:19:37):
and lord knows, I've been bitten by this a number
of times where I've just sold her short, no way,
no way, and she's proved me wrong. Now. There have
also been some occasions where it might turn out to
be right. But I think I've actually been wrong on
Rose more than I've been right. I think that plays
into it a little bit as well, where we kind
of want to sell her short at times. That being said,

(01:19:59):
I am I'm surprised at these odds. I thought they'd
be a lot closer. I think I like nama Unis here,
but I feel like we're doing random Maverick. A bit
of it is service here, making her a plus two
ten underdog.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
You know how there's different levels of a relationship. Minus
two sixty feels like a love to me, not like
a like. And like you said, I like nam a
Unis because of her movement, because of her veteranship, because
of her experience, her ability to operate in the pocket
and stay clean, But I don't love her enough against
saying Maverick when it make the fight dirty, find a way. Also,

(01:20:35):
there's this feeling that Miranda Maverick will right now currently
on a bit of a little bit of a streak,
she's never quite reached that potential that she had when
she steamrolled through a one night tournament and in Victa
to get to the UFC. So I don't know if
we really are, like, can you see Maverick having the

(01:20:56):
success that Blanchefield did, Because that's how she has to
win this fight, because she's not gonna be a diverse
enough competitor to win this on the feet. She has
to bully around communis like Blanchfield does. And I feel
like our awakening to Blanchfield was when you and I
were in the arena and saw her beat Maverick. So
she's like a lesser version of Blanchfield. So a lot

(01:21:19):
of this to me is quite how much is Rose
falling off? And how much has Maverick elevated if you
think she can? Which also I heard she recently adopted
a daughter that they named Renegade, So she has a
daughter named renegade Maverick. Is that too redundant? A renegade Maverick?
Or is that the coolest name ever? No nickname needed?

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
You definitely don't need a nickname? Um put it like that. Yeah, Look,
I'm surprised that these odds. I think Maverick has a
much better chance of winning than that. Do with that
in for what you will, So yes, But at the
end of the day, I get why Rose is favored,

(01:22:03):
and that's probably the way, I'll lean on this fight.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
If you get why Rose is favored, do you get
why Edmund Shabasian is favored over Andre Petrowski? Could just
me on the glance, I know that Shabasian has heavy hands,
a solid judo base. I guess they're expecting that judo
bass is gonna win out and keep him standing. Because
I felt like Petroski has been more consistently evolving recently
and that his wrestling would be a more reliable attribute.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
To go with. I'd have this a little closer to
a pick him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Yeah, So I'm surprised to see a slight favorite in
the side of Shabasi and, like you said, much closer
to a pick and might probably have him in the
ten one twenty range each way.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Hold on, hold on my turn. You surprised Cody Garbrand's
only a plus one fifty underdog.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
I've seen some people willing to take him, some analysts
taking him big. I don't know if I trust that
more in the thought process that Cody Garbran can reinvigorate himself,
or if people just look at it and sliply say, well,
he had a problem with Figuredo on the ground, and
even though Hyaronni Barcelos is a Brazilian national wrestling champion.

(01:23:16):
He refuses to use that shit in me off to
gone ninety percent of the time. So if he stands
there and exchange it with garbren, the speed advantage is
going to come into play, and that's where Garbran has
his opportunity to strike. Also going on it, are you
surprised to see Mansur Abduk Malik and Omar C just

(01:23:36):
massive favorites over Cody Brundage and Alonso Menifield, and that
one's more of a MENI field question. I can get
it with Brundage a lot of heart. His skill has
not ever been applicable in the cage to what it's
been in the training room. But Mam and Omar C
look like two can't miss prospects.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
I know, I'm not surprised. I am a little surprised
with Minifield's plus four forty, I'm seeing plus five hundred
and si and yeah, depending on where you look, and
minus six hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Really minus seven hundred. That feels like a length Frenchman
that has to get the grapple. Yeah, against a really
explosive Menifield that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Seemed well, I get my favorite. Yeah, I know, I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Also interesting to know Minifield has relocated left. Pat Barry
went back to Texas is back with the fordest team
for this one. Don't know if that changes up anything
for a guy that's never quite quite reached the potential
with his fighting skills, that that physique makes you think
he could. Yeah, but I love both of those fights.
I think that I'd be more inclined to think Minifield
could pull off the Hell Mary than Cody Brundage. But

(01:24:57):
just watch us to be wrong. We're a main event,
you're a comin event in the APEX, you're a feature
fight in the prelim. Do the herpes delay make you
feel any different about Paul Craig's chin versus Rodolfo Blato?
Now a light heavyweight fight. We ain't doing middleweight because
we already cut weight guys two o five? Does that

(01:25:20):
favor either one more?

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Uh? Does it favor either one more? No, you asked me.
Does it change anything the fighting move? Uh? Yeah, keep
your goddamn face away from my fucking face. I don't
want the herp but no, I'm kidding. Yah No. A
little bit different dynamic at light heavyweight for sure. Uh. Look,

(01:25:43):
Paul Craig's gonna do. I think what Paul Craig always does.
He's gonna be entertaining as hell, and he's probably gonna
come up on the short end of the stick.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Coming off of assisting Daniel Kormier on The Ultimate Fighter.
Michael kiesa a pretty hefty three sixty favorite over the
plus two eighty five Court McGee. Until I know Michael
Kissa's back is okay. I never feel comfortable with him

(01:26:12):
being this big of a favorite, especially against the Court McGee.
That all I do is grind, All I do is survive.
All I do is making nasty. But I get from
the age, from the name recognition, why these odds would
be what they are. They're just trying to trying to
get me to include Kissa in a parlay for no
good reason, because I feel like you might be protecting
the McGee here.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
All right, you just gave me my out without criticizing anybody.
Do not include Michael Kissa at any fing parlay. Do
not do it. That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Uh. Also, looking at we don't have odds been on
like a couple of days. Notice Malcolm well Maker is
gonna jump into take on Chris Martini. Uh, this should
be a fun little banger. Yeah, it's gonna be dirty
and grind mean betweeny five five win streak since his
first time in the UFC, Let's give him some respect.
Cody Durn's gonna welcome in. Jose Ahoa. The peruviing comes
in as a slight favorite young fighter, kind of explosive.

(01:27:08):
Charles Jardin, Ricky Simone Er, that one's canceled. We are
gonna get Ricky Simone taking on Cameron smother Man. I
gotta like Simone there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
The wrestling is that what an electric car sounds like
when you hit the brakes.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Er.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
This has got to generate that kinetic energy. Vanessa Demopolis
is moving up to one twenty five. This is an
attempt to try to say her UFC career. I don't
feel like size was her issue at one point fifteen.
I think being able to get more skill together with
her striking was the big drawback. And I don't think
this is gonna work out well against Jamie Lynn Hort.

(01:27:46):
Maybe I'm wrong. When she's underneath, she can catch an
arm bar and Phil Rowe and Losa. Losa's toughness. He
is a snowball. If he gets going downhill, he'll get you.
If it's going the other way, he can be ran over.
It's my preview for this weekends UFC Fight Night, and
we're all the way on the road again.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Yep. Prelambs seven Eastern, ESPN Plus your main card ten
pm Eastern, ESPN and ESPN Plus.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
You got some PFL action this week on Thursday. Jason Jackson,
that Gene too bad. That's gonna be the finals of
the Welterweight Tournament. Incredible matchup two strikers. This one is
gonna be bananas. You know about the length the Black
Zilion Stason Jackson tains with an elite team that Gene
has started to put together a run at nine to zero.
You also get the trilogy fight between Hoseday Pineda and

(01:28:40):
Gabriel Braga in the co main event that won a
featherweight semifinal. Both guys like to strike a little bit
more technical on the Pinedo fight. These two hate each
other a lot of animosity and rivalry. You get pre
limbs on ESPN Plus, N ESPN two main card along
with it. That one is gonna be on Thursday. Night.

(01:29:02):
LFA is in Louisville, Kentucky on Friday. Lance Lawrence versus
Xavier Reyes is your main event at one hundred and
forty five pounds, two vicious finishers on being Christian Natividad
is going to be in the co main event. Someone
to keep an eye on there this weekend. Globally, there's

(01:29:22):
also a couple intriguing options. KSW one oh seven in Poland.
Tom Aspinall's jiu jitsu coach. The best heavyweight that we
don't talk about. Phil DeFries, who's been running through KSW,
is in the main event there against Andreas Warsick. Warsick
is six to zero MMA. He is a former multiple
time kickboxing world champion. Also Saturday morning from Prague you

(01:29:46):
get Octagon seventy two. Both of these events have sold
like twenty thousand people and tickets, so good for both
of these promotions. Carmelos Vela at till A Veg. You
remember at Tillaveg. We've both seen him fight in Bellator
and Machmoon off both title fights there. Plus the German
brock Lesner Fredrick vos Gon Voss Jihn. You gotta check

(01:30:08):
this guy out. I sent him in Instagram, Reo, I
sent you one that you have to look out. This
guy is just the next He looks like brock Lesner
went on won the WWE European Tours, amda. You know
if he wasn't married, good for him, because it looks
like he left the sun in Germany. The facial expressions,
the look, the ferocity, the ability to only wrestle all
that fits the tea and then all the way for

(01:30:30):
you striking fans. Mike Perry's dirty boxing too. This weekend
during your Reasonstruck is in the main event, Alex Cassaris
is in the co main event ten UFC. That's on
the card and all that one is free on YouTube. Steven,
if you don't want to watch it Saturday night because
you're watching the UFC Sunday morning, you can go right
back and check that shit out there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
You go, Micah, tell everybody how then keep up with
you man?

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Oh Cageminds dot com is the place a ton of
interviews up. I randomly asked a bunch of bare knuckle
fighters last week if they could choose any fictional character
who to fight, Who they would choose? Go over the Instagram.
It's at Cage Minds Underscore CSN like the TikTok and
the acts to see that answer YouTube is Cage Minds
Combat Sports News. Just like the Facebook page. We got

(01:31:13):
a ton of interviews up like Josh Dy or Diego Brandau,
all kinds of shit this week.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Fucking really, that's what you asked, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
You don't know how crabby these dudes are. After Awaken
and when we're all standing around before the rules meeting
for the weigh in, I started asking this ship because.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
I was bored when we're at USC media day for
three weeks in a couple of weeks, and you look
at me and roll your eyes from that one dude
that has the same stupid ass fucking question of everybody
up there. When you look at me and roll your eyes,
I'm going to refer you back to this episode of
m M A After Hours and I'll give you the time. Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
I did not take over a press contra. This is
literally before a rules meeting in a stupid way. I'm
just messing. I'm just messing with it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Least she didn't ask him a question and the response was, oh,
that's racist. Check out. Now hold on real quick, let
me explain that, so it's the wrong idea. That was
a Derek Lewis questioned and and he was messing with you.
But but it got quite the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Laugh just for directions.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
Man, I know, I know, but I felt like, yeah,
I'm filling some blanks there. Somebody gets wrong. Some things
you can just throw out there and people figure out.
Then some things you throw the fuck are they talking
about He's racist?

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Huh huh?

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
So yeah, no, it was all a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
Guys. There's a lot going on this weekend and Choice
and fight.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
Exactly at MMA After Hours, on Twitter at real Mike
Carlisle and I guess it's X and on Twitter. You
know what the fuck I'm talking about? You know what
it is exactly. You know what it is. We'll talk
to you next week for another episode of M M
A After Hours. You're on the After Hours podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
Network combat Sports. I have a website for you, cageminds
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