Ep 314: UFC 319-Chimaev Dominates DDP. Pico Faulters in Debut. UFC in China This Weekend.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up everybody?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome back to mm A After Hours. I'm Michael Carlisle,
joined us always by Micah Franklin.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Micah, how you doing?

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Man? Fighting allergies and looking forward to a hopeful week?

Speaker 2 (00:17):
You know, when someone asked how you're doing, they really
don't give a shit, right, all I was looking for
I'm good man, let's roll, or I'm fine?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
I don't care about your allergies. I really don't care
if you're doing good. I just it's the thing to say,
But nobody really cares.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Episode three thirteen. Today, I might be a little awful
account off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
You might be right. You've asked me every single fucking time, I.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Know, fucking years, how high feeling? And every so often
I tell you, and you remind me that you don't care,
and I remind you to stop asking, because unfortunately I'm
the motherfucker to answers questions when.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
You ask Episode three fourteen. By the last week was
three thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
But yes, I've asked you, Yes, every single episode?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
How are I know? I know?

Speaker 3 (01:05):
And sometimes I feel bad enough that I tell you,
But it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Just what people do. Like SERI all and you know,
I'm just messing with you. I always care how you feel.
But in all honesty, when you see someone you have seen, like, hey,
how you doing, you really give a shit how they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
It depends who it is. But for the most part,
I'm a weirdo that does because you gotta admit. In
our line of work, I'm collecting information at every interaction,
and usually with most of the people that I haven't
seen in a while, at some point I'm gonna interview
them again. So I truly do care how they're doing
because I'm gonna ask them about it later, or I'm

(01:42):
gonna use that in something, or if there's something going
on in their life. I want to know so they
we're able to broadcast that information out. So I usually
do mean it because I don't have that many casual friends.
I have that many subjects I cover.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
You do not care. Don't sit there and lie, oh,
lie might just say. Look, I might be an ass,
but at least I'm being honest. You're trying to be
mister goody goody. I don't believe that for a Son'm kidding.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh dude, I only care because I'm using it for
interview material. Don't make it sound like I'm a fucking
saint over here, like I'm the best person ever. I'm like, wow, don't, don't,
don't bless me here.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
So when you run into the store, how many people
are you planning on interviewing?

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Micah, Oh, you think I'll talk to people and I
run into the store.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
If you see somebody you know.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, then I probably it's somebody I'm planning to interview.
So yeah, then we're having a good five to ten
minute conversation. I have actually walked around a grocery store
with a random person that I ran into because they
were going to be an interview person.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Later, you're so full of shit, let's just move along.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Beautiful lunch at Sprouts, Well that included not eating and
just good lunch. But yeah, I was just there for
my vase.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Just stop, just stop.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
No, I will not you can't stop. I won't stop.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
You can't have this.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Actually that that's kind of what I felt like throughout
the end of UFC three nineteen. I can't handle events anymore.
Good segue to get us to the pay per view.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
It was I had something else I was gonna ask
you about. But it'll actually fit better on our pro
Wrestling podcast. So if you want to know what I
was about to ask Micah, tune into that.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Wrestling After Hours right here on the After Hours podcast network.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Drops every Wednesday, same place, shoes, you get this one,
So there you go. Yeah, look UFC three nineteen and yes,
let's get right into it, because I gotta know, most
boring pay per view main event in years maybe ever?

(03:44):
Or was it beautiful? Just based on the Sheer domination.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
It was agonizingly long. I had enough time to go
through through all seven phases of grief. I think verson
eight phases.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
I think it's five actually, but look, you have plenty
of time, right, yeah, to to develop some new ones.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Right the first well, real quick, before we get to
the main event, did you have an overall grade or
feeling about the card, because until we got to the
main event, this was like an A plus Holy shit
Action fans dream night with some of the craziness we had.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, no, Look, I enjoyed the pay per view. I'm
fine with the main event. If you want to tell
me it was boring, I got no comeback for it,
because I get you.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
But there was.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Also a part of it to me and I asked
which was it. I guess it could be both. There
was also something beautiful about the utter domination by chim
I have now if you're a dupleus A or one
of his fans, there was nothing beautiful about it, but
there was something kind of a and I'm not comparing
them as fighters, but just in the way that fight

(05:02):
played out versus many of his it was kind of
GSP esque. It wasn't necessarily exciting, but holy shit, Chimayev
just dominated.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
I get the GSP reference, you'll get this other reference
because you and I were both live in the building.
I haven't seen a fight fighter have a crowd turn
on them, because, let's be honest, easily, Chimayev was the
fan favorite all week. They hated du plus A. Between
chi Mayav's international appeal, the killer instinct, even the terrorist
jokes endored him to the fan base. I haven't seen

(05:37):
a fan base turning on fire like that since Ben
Asker in Albuquerque, New Mexico, maybe where they were. Literally
we had a USA chant going on during that ask
and fight, and they were booing his ass by the
end of it. Because if you're that damn dominant, finish him,
why aren't you finishing? And I think my brain was

(05:57):
no more influx than in the first round because the
fight should have been over. That looked like Roy Neilson
versus Kimbo's lives. If Tmyev does anything to actually infistate
any kind of ferocity from his elbows, the fight's over.
I could agree with Dana White, there's maybe an argument
for a ten to eight in every round up until

(06:18):
the fifth round, when duplus he got some stand ups,
he landed some strikes. I don't know whether it was
dominant or boring. I've heard some other people talk about it.
Chi Mayav made a tactical decision. Chess pressure to chest pressure,
chest pressure to back pressure is going to be my

(06:40):
top priorities. Duplus A could not create space because Chimyev's
entire goal was to eliminate creating space. He was not
in a mindset to be offensive. He was not in
a mindset to be damaging. He was in a mindset
to be controlling. And he controlled, and it was twenty

(07:03):
two minutes of control. But I've never seen someone land
five hundred strikes and not crack triple figures in significant strikes.
If you look at the stats.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
It was only like nineteen or something that might be
the exact number, but it was a very feteen to
twenty three in significant strikes because du plus A in
the fifth round equaled all of the significant strikes that
he might have landed in all that dominance.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Was it dominant? It was?

Speaker 2 (07:34):
But it was also.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Boring because this is a killer, This is a finisher.
This is a guy that when he's had this much
control and dominance over another man, the fight did not last.
And maybe this was a chimayav who strictly went with
a game plan to limit duplus A's biggest asset. He
cannot make me tired and use his cardio advantage. If

(07:59):
I do not allow myself to get tired. If I
can keep these positions, I will not get tired.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I'm not gonna ask you if you're surprised, Jim, I
have won, because hell, he was a pretty significant favorite
going in.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
But are you surprised in the manner?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
And look, yes, it was not an action packed fight,
but by any amount. But regardless of the amount of action,
you can't deny, Jim, I have just dominated dupless A.
Like you said, it was like right at twenty two
minutes of ground control in a twenty five minute fight,
like dupless A had nothing, and I know he got

(08:35):
going a little bit in the fifth round. I think
jim if at that point knew the fight was over,
I just can't get submitted or knocked out. But like
duplesus Ah just had nothing. Was that poor game planning,
do you think? Or is that just how dominant jim
Ie is.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
I think a lot of VIC goes to how dominant
tim Ie has, and I think this is possibly a
different fight if chim IV is trying to create damage yea,
and he eliminated space. Eliminating the space eliminated the possibilities
for reversals to get going. It's really hard to do
any of that when the man is just suffocating on
top of you. And the manner in which she might

(09:13):
have was able to stay busy enough for the referees
pleasure allowed him to keep those positions. I'm not saying
that there should have been more stand ups. It's just
he had a very workmanlike, odd kind of performance. It
emphasized all of his strengths, or a lot, at least

(09:34):
a bunch of them. It emphasized the Duke plus A weaknesses,
which kind of surprised a lot of people because it's
not like he had been out wrestled in a lot
of these fights. Brunston had early success on him, but
wasn't able to keep it up. This is someone that
outgrappled Autosagnia and Whittaker. I think we're surprised to see
how dominant it was, but indominant. It seemed like there

(09:58):
was an urgency to stay safe. With that dominance. We
expected chaos. She might have limited it, and even in
as many strikes and punches as he land, there was
only the third round really really did significant damage with
all of that, And this is a game where damage
is paramount. He controls the fight, he wins it easily

(10:22):
and we can say nothing about it. But if he's
racking up more damage and less control time, I think
the victory is more celebrated and it looks that much
more dominant, even if it wasn't, because dup plus A
just looked tired at points.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
If you're a contender in the middleweight division, are you
licking your chops? Oh hell no, he doing that to
me for twenty two minutes, or are you like, oh shit,
how do I keep it from doing that to me
for twenty two minutes.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
It's an interesting question. It is a really interesting question.
J It's almost as interesting as it's only one fight.
But the crowd turned on him. Does the market turn
on Chi Maya? Do you worry from a UFC standpoint
that now we need more Daniel Cormier, more Nina drama interviews.

(11:16):
We need chimayav making one liners because this is gonna
be hard to sell, and the next guy coming forward.
If we're looking at the list of contenders, I think
that Bahayo RDR are much more creative off their back
than DDP. I think that Anthony Hernandez is a different

(11:41):
wrestling challenge. I think the difference in this fight wasn't
the first shot. It was Chi Maya's relentlessness for the second,
the third, the fourth shot, his determinedists we are only wrestling,
his ability to get on the hips and do plus
A's complacentness with stuf the first shot at times because

(12:02):
he thought, oh I stuffed it, maybe we're gonna strike you.
Gotta stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff. I give Anthony Hernandez
a better chance because a lot of what Chimya was
doing is high school wrestling, and a lot of what
Hernandez succeeded with was high school wrestling. But at this
point I think that she might have does come in
as a sizable favorite over probably all the next challengers,

(12:25):
and Nastardina Mavov is probably the one guy that I
don't know if he knows what to do if this
challenge approaches him. And I don't know if any of
those four or even the next four, but they feel
like it.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
I'll give you.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Those four if you give me Sean Strickling.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Well, most likely Strawn Slickling, with his marketability with the
UFC going to CBS, he's a possible name that he's
just gonna get ragged all wrestle fucked. And I don't
care to see that fight. Well, no, I might be
a little bit entertaining for you people that want to
indulge in such a thing, but don't even get your
oh whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa strickland.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
No, no, sir, you can't sit there and bitch your
moan about how boring that fight was.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
And then oh a few people want to see the
hypeer Stricklan blah uh.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
If Chimiv's next fight is gonna be like that. You
need the fucking hype of a Shawn Strickland.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Well, that's why I'm saying you could. You could indulge
in that and that avenue of exactly allows him to
have that fight. Or you can stick a grappler that's
gonna be more tenacious, or a wrestler that's gonna offer
him more challenge in that game. That's why I think
any of those four up and comers have a more
likely opportunity to shut down his ship than a Sean

(13:36):
Strickland that's about to get raggdoll and cash in on
the last rights of his name. It's it's literally, it's
not even a hyperbable. It's what's gonna happen either way.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, look, I don't disagree with you on your assessment
of a potential Seawan Strickland fight. I'm not even saying
it should be Sean Strickland. As a matter of fact,
I'll say it right now, it should not be. I'm
just telling you, I'll give you those four if you
give me Strickland, and I'll take the odds because I

(14:06):
have a sneaky suspicion that might be what we wind
up getting.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Well, you know, actually, you you bring up a good point,
because I don't know how we match make moving forward,
we will only got a couple more months of knowing
what's important before. We don't know what's important because we
talk about selling a pay per view, we really don't
know what we're selling in twenty twenty six. So I

(14:30):
don't know if if that name right, that building a
narrative versus the meritocracy, I'm not sure what the regime
is going to hold in the highest regard when they
have the CBS paramount deal and they're not selling pay
per views, they're just pushing numbered events.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Absolutely nothing changes.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
And here's why I say that, because fair point, we're
not selling pay per views anymore.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Why you're selling our views?

Speaker 2 (14:59):
And while they may or may not be released publicly
in the case of well, hell right now, ESPN knows
exactly down to the view the number of views for
every event. Paramount will as well. And yes, you're not
selling paper. You won't be selling pay per views anymore,
but you are selling views. The whole point of spending

(15:21):
that money on UFC is the views to your platform
and not just maintaining your current number of subscribers but
growing that, so.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
You're probably not wrong that maybe it's maybe.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
It's not quite as important as it once was. If
you're in a bind and can't get a title fight
for a main event of a numbered event and you
don't feel like breaking out the damn BMF again, maybe
that's not quite as important as it once was. But
you still got to put on those.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Pay per view quality cards. And to be honest, I
don't care who got the next shot at Timai. If
he just bored me so fucking bad that I don't
care about him anymore. He fell off the radar for me.
I'm like, okay, dude, whatever boris to just go wrestle.
It's cool. I watch Smash, I will kill everyone, and
I didn't see much smashing. It's a really hard complex

(16:18):
between domination and boring. And this does nothing for me
to sell the next fight where I think of hamsat Chima.
Have could go to thirty five and Ero or something,
And if he does it in this fashion, he's just
gonna end up getting criticized by it by a lot
of people, and we're gonna see a lot of long,

(16:39):
twenty five minute fights where it's possibility. He's the most
dominant grappler we've ever seen. It just wasn't fulfilling of
what we expected of the fight and the controlling at
a point was there was just such long periods of
nothing happening where I think it wore on a lot

(17:01):
of people. And then I went to the internet. I thought,
am I crazy? And I saw a lot of people
going with the same narrative, And while he was dominant,
I don't think it helps the marketability. It doesn't help
the salesmanship. It was an interesting fight. Congratulations to cheem
I have. Do you think in that same marketability do

(17:22):
you think Paulo Costa, with all the trash talk he's garnering,
there's any chance where if Strickland gets injured his name
flows into the category just because well, I don't believe
in Costa he's a bigger star than those other four
guys I named quite possibly third biggest star in the division,
behind Autosnia and Strickland.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Uh, that's a good question. I don't even like to
consider Costa here. I don't either, but it maybe but no, but.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
We probably should like.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
I like Costa. I enjoy watching him fight, I enjoy
covering a fight week when he's on.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
The car, he was just lifeless for a while.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, I don't see him having a snowballs chance in hell.
It would probably depend on what you're trying to do.
If you're doing a fight overseas somewhere, Yeah, let's give
chim iv Costa. See what happens if you're doing something here.
I think you're going in a different direction.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
What was the question?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Do I think he could win or that he could
somehow wiggle his way into a title shot?

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Just wiggle his way into a title shot. I don't
like his chances to beat team if but I'm just wondering, say,
Strickland's out of the equation, could he swim into that
next opportunity?

Speaker 2 (18:43):
I would let you add him to the other four
you mentioned, and I'll keep strickling but put it that way.
But but is it out of the realm of possibility?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Probably not.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
I've sean Strickland's one street fight or or rest away
from not having the number one, And yeah, that's why
I threw out Costa. He almost fits that same profile,
non threatening superstar that builds up the narrative around the story.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Well, Strickling might actually be threatening Costa talks a lot
of shit, but I don't know outside the octagon how
threatening he really is, you know.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Oh okay, and that meaning whereas in the wrestling name,
I don't think either one of them were threatening.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah okay, Yeah, I got you, I got you.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
I got Speaking of are we done with the main event?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Let me think was there anything else? Am I being
too harsh on Tim? If it was dominant, there's just
a lot of lack of appeal for it from everything
that we've seen out of him in other fights.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, it depends on I guess what you're looking like. Look,
don't get me wrong, I prefer a little more action
as well. But to me, you have to appreciate just
how dominant it was, even if it was lackluster, and
let's be really honest, if you're talking from an action standpoint,
it was incredibly lackluster. But damn it was like middlewa

(20:00):
the third round, I guess because look, you know me,
I hate ten eight rounds. After the third round, I
just started thinking, I wonder how many of these are
gonna be ten eight rounds? Like it was obvious the
third round had to be, and I believe all three
judges did score that with ten eight. Yes, they did.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
But I was like, I.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Wonder if any of these other rounds are gona wind
up being Teddy. That's how dominant it was. Now, was
it exciting? I guess that depends on your view, but
most people, let's be honest, would say, nah, it wasn't
exciting at all.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
So no, I don't think you're being too hard on him.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
But there was something about it that I at least appreciated,
even if it wasn't overly entertaining.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Wow, it was the most controlling victory I've ever seen
in a championship fight, and it.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Really did strike me.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
The thought was, there's a lot of referee stand ups
that have stopped these kind of performances from coming into existence,
from having this same kind of impact. Referee stand ups, Yeah,
and tim Iev's ability to continue tapping stayed um in
these positions. So I was of conflict because we've literally
seen referees intervene stopping these kind of performances from happening

(21:14):
of just utterly controlling on the ground. And then in
the first round again, I thought, if he can finish here,
this is amazing. Yeah, he had the seas effix work
work work. This is you're on the one yard line
in football, punch it into the fucking end zone LITEE.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
For me, I never thought for a second they should
be stood up again. It wasn't particularly exciting, but I
felt like Chimiev was doing enough that there was no
need for that. But look it was. This is how
dominating it was. We just spent twelve minutes talking about
this and who should be next? You know who didn't

(21:55):
come up a single damn time for good reason? Oh
du plus a and look, two title defenses, big time wins.
If the fight's the least bit competitive, he could make
the argument, We're gonna run it back and I'm gonna
get my title back. But he's gonna have to go

(22:16):
back to the drawing board because they get that game
planches didn't work, whether it was a bad game plan
or like we talked about earlier, if it was just
too much chim Iv. But like nobody's saying, oh, they
need to run it back, they need to run it back.
That's how dominating it was. It was it exciting, No,
it really wasn't, But.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Damn he dominated that fight. Only everything I could say
is you talked about the third round, what We know
why the third round was the ten a and the first,
the second, the fourth were not. Was his willingness to
try to damage. He cut open, he gave a black
and blue eye. If Team I have put that effort
into his striking, we are bowing out the altar of

(23:00):
him today and possibly putting him top three in the
world pound four pound. If he brought that emphasis to
his offense in the other four rounds, that would have
made he had the position. The only thing that stopped
him was the amount of energy he was generating in
his own strikes from getting that dominant of a first, second,

(23:22):
fourth round to go along with the third round, and
then we would have glowing reviews. He's the only one
that stopped himself though in those positions.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, I mean, I can't disagree with any of that.
I think you're a look, that's that's going to be
a problem. Here's the other thing I was saying, that's
going to be a problem for all his title defenses.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Dude only fights like once a year. That's another issue.
Are we going to get a more active Hamzat now
that he has about because we don't really have a
more active Islam. We just get a really active. Morab
uh more active.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
It's gonna be like every eight or nine months than
every twelve or thirteen months.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
God not getting me excited about a team by a
title rate man.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
And to be fair, it was ten months. This is
his last fight, but you get the point. You know
who else wasn't very exciting and had a very whole
home performance. He didn't lay on somebody for twenty two
minutes and root to victory though.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
That's Aaron Pico, dude.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
He had an exciting performance, a recklessly enthusiastic.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Performance, and he got knocked the fuck out. I look
boomy all you want.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I'd rather lay on somebody for twenty two minutes and
get the win, then be exciting and then get knocked
the fuck out all inside half around.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
But that's just me. Thank you LaRoe Murphy for you
know what he did. He defended a fucking takedown. Now
boom Aaron Pico for not just shooting seventeen more times
in a He actually tried to strike and that didn't
work out so well for him. But sometimes when a
takedown gets shut, you actually tried to strike. Unfortunate for

(25:10):
Aaron Pico, who when he came out and started working
those left hands to the body and put Larn Murphy
on his back foot. I heard a lot of people
feeling that the offense, that the aggression, that everything that
Aaron Pica was bringing out that they felt he was
winning the first round until he ran into that spinning
back elbow. Did you feel that he was getting pieced

(25:32):
up and having a bad night until that elbow landed.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
No, I was like, holy shit, this just turned I
did not.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
But fights are in a minute and a half long.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Hindsight's twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
And lets you knock somebody out in that minute and
a half.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
No, I look great.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Good for him.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
He had some offense.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
He also had to get woke up at the end
of the fight, and that's ultimately what Matt And by
the way, that was fairly quickly after all that great
offense he had early in the round.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
You noticed he was trying to set up for a
takedown when he got caught with that shit. So he
was going t if at that moment and just got caught.
I don't know how else to to. I'm not trying
to defend Aaron Picock because he got lit up and
ate a big shot, but at that moment. He actually
wasn't throwing shots. He was actually doing the t if
rushing him for the takedown. He was looking for the

(26:25):
wrestling that we wanted, well.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
I think, which is why you should appreciate. And let
me rephrase that, because I'm not telling you you should
or shouldn't appreciate chim i have at all. But that's
why we generally speaking maybe should appreciate the Chimayv effort
a little bit more Piko, which tried to do the
same damn thing.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
It didn't work out so well.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
You know that there's there's layers to boring ass grapple,
fuck somebody to death.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
So you're comparing a guy that's never sniffed the Top
twenty fight versus a top I'm not middle, I'm not
comparing you. You compared it that way.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
He was trying to do the chim Iv. He was
trying to do the takedown.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, it didn't work.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
That's my point.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
It didn't work so well for Pico.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yes, sometimes game plans don't work well. Worked, Pico's is
not well.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. For most guys, And this
is more about Chimiev than Pico.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
For most guys.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Event Okay, well we were until you compared Pico's effort
to jim If to what Pico was trying to do,
not the actual execution, but most guys, when you're trying
to wrestle them down and lay on them, they fight
back and get out of it, keep you from doing
it dupless. They couldn't do that for chim Iv. Larn

(27:40):
Murphy was able to do that with Pico and then
knocking the fuck out.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Chim Iv is a very good wrestler. That's why he
holds control and boris half the crowd into booing him. Yes,
he has excellent control. Aaron Pico did not demonstrate excellent control.
He again showed a recklessness to his game that now
made the thirty four year old Ron Murphy a number
one contender. When I think most of us thought he

(28:06):
was just gonna fight out his career without any big fight,
because did you think he was thirty four years old already?
He feels like a young guy on the up right.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, maybe going forward, and look, anybody can take my
opinion for what it's worth, but maybe wait, you know,
put it like this, the late great Kenny Rogers said
it best got to know when to hold him, no,

(28:35):
when to fold him, no, when to walk away, no,
when to run. Never count your money when you're sitting
at the table. There'll be time enough for counting when
the dalon's done. Maybe don't talk shit talk the guy
you think you're gonna fight next during fight week for
your upcoming fight until after the fight.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, but they all do it. I know.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well, it also bit Aaron Pico in the ass. I
get what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
We'll talk about the guys want to bite some of
the ass. Applaud the ones when it when it doesn't right.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
So like if a McGregor does it or whatever and
then gets choked out or.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Whatever, well he's still Connor McGregor.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
You're Aaron Pico, who I get it was trying to
make a statement in your UFC debut. But now, and
I'm positive you're gonna shut this down and that's fine.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
But now I got to.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Look at Aaron Pico the same way that I look
at Kaya Sakura pit Bull, although I know pit Bull one,
but guys, big names and other promotions come come into
UFC and it's a struggle. Now, not everybody. There's certainly
exceptions to that. But it seems like we see that
a lot more than we see it the other way around.

(29:42):
You come in after dominating and rising or you know,
a belatory guy in the case of Pico, and just
set the world on fire. And I'm sure you're gonna
tell me that's an unfair comparison and you shouldn't lump
Piko in like that. But that's kind of how I
look at Aaron Pico right now.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Didn't I tell you this was a horrible matchup? No? Absolutely, no, huge?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, no you did.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
I told you Laurn Murphy was gonna fuck his world
up and expose him. Yes, So none of this surprised me.
The UFC has been very determined. It looked like to
beat the shit out of belotour guys coming over and
they've made that fucking statement. They exposed Kayasakara. They wanted
to see if he was world class. He thought he
was this great and then when they saw a hole
we could talk about it again, they said, no, you

(30:31):
got to fight the same kind of guy. I don't
know if the UFC matchmakers have intended it like this
or not, but let's be very clear, Aaron Pico took
a giant step up the mountain. He never actually fought
Pitbull in Bellatore. He fought a bunch of relative unfucking
knowns sure that we had never heard of. And this

(30:52):
was a massive step up the mountain, and he got
exposed for his fatal flaw of being ridiculously aggressive. And
now the fact that he is stained several knockouts probably
is gonna limit championship possibilities in the future because Aaron
Pico is to a fall, unable to evolve outside of
his own style. So your style is who your style is.

(31:14):
Tim If is a wrestler who wrestles and controls. Pico
is a wild man who goes out there to show
his golden glove boxing and puts it all on the
line to kill or be killed. And he got killed
on the night much the way that Patricio Pittbull went
in there, stood in the pocket, and God's totally exposed

(31:34):
by Yayira Rodrigo.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
So let me ask you this, is it average UFC
fighters are that much better than bigger name fighters from
other promotions, or is it when those guys come over.
I don't want to say UFC puts them in a
position to fail, but puts them.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
In a position to really test them right out of
the gate. Let's let's say it that way. If you
beat your chest coming over that you were better than
UFC guys, they're gonna give you a stylistically impossible task.
If you were our dr and you come to play ball,
they're gonna give you Gerald marsh Art in a nice
soft welcoming, all right, right.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Because look, let's be fair Asakurro's first fight was Pantosia,
and then it's Elliott, who has a very game.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
True, so it's that stylistic exploitation.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
But that one should have been a winnable bounce back
fight to be fair. With Petrichio Pitbull, the first fight
was Jayia Rodriguez, who if you're going to stand there
and trade with him, can absolutely f you up.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Which was a very hard, stylistic fighter, and then they
gave him a winnable one exactly exactly after you humble
him a bit. Now you just humble Pico, maybe he
gets a much more manageable offering. He did want this
kind of opor sure he is calling for the big game,
but and.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
If Pico wins, we're talking about him next for the
title shot instead of Murphy.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
So but yeah, again, I'm.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Not suggesting that UFC necessarily sets these guys up to fail,
but they also don't treat you with kid loves, you know,
let's ease you into it, all right, pit Bull, you're
a bad man, Aaron Pico, You're a bad man.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Asakura. Yeah, here you go.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
And it doesn't always look even you know. I love
me some Ben Ascer, and I'm certainly not speaking ill
of Ben, especially with what he's been through recently, although
it's good to see him doing a lot better. Him
and DC were throwing a little disc off around the
other day as well, as you saw that video or not,
but now a little bit different because he was late
in his grip. But he was one in three or

(33:42):
one and two in the UFC one and two and
damn near could have been zero to three, you know.
The he beats Robbie Lawler. I think Robbi Lawler knocked
him out and he hit the canvas and woke the
fuck back up.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Oh yeah, it should have been.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, So I mean, yeah, again, there's certainly exceptions, don't
get me wrong, but it sure seems like these guys
that come in from other promotions all heralded and stuff.
It doesn't work out that well for whatever reason.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
And let's not forget originally this was supposed to be
a different fight on a different dates, and I don't
think Pico gets knocked out in that fight. Maybe he
does get controlled the whole time. That would have tested
his wrestling, because we know Evylov isn't trying to strike
with anybody either. But yeah, unfortunate for Aaron Pico, who
I'm not sure what's next. Automatic Leron Murphy gets Volkanofski

(34:36):
because this is a fresh name and we now understand
how bad. Yeahyer Rodriguez fucked himself when he didn't just
take the San Antonio fight when it was offered to him.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
I don't know if it's automatic, but I'd be surprised
if that ain't the fight, but put it that way.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah, Murphy's the hot name. He had a highlight, real victory.
You tell me in September. You could tell me September
thirteenth that John Silva does something incredible and maybe he
jumps the pack, but more than likely I think it
is Leron Murphy. But you still do have If John
Silva rips a hole through Diego Lopez there's a possibility

(35:16):
it slides through his hands. But at thirty four years old. Again,
I bring up that number because we talk about champions
under one seventy at thirty five years old, Burfy's trying
to get there and he's still aging. It is a
necessity to get there as fast as possible for the Englishman.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yep, I would agree with you on that.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Carlos Protes the first round TKO over Jeff Neil.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
I thought that Neil looked good with his speed early
and then we were able to see Protes start literally
poking and prodding, gauging this speed. He's methodical, he'll absorb
and he's just able to keep coming at you. And
when the knees to the body start landing, that's when

(35:59):
you're in real BA big trouble against Carlos Protz. A
spinning back elbow, Oh my gosh, at the buzzer, it
felt like there were so many complexities in that one round.
Unfortunate for Jeff Neil, who damn never had a chance
from that one A absolute beautiful finish, ridiculous energy that

(36:21):
we get two spinning back KOs in a row, and
actually Neil got the better end of it because I
believe Aaron Pico was out cold for some like four minutes.
We're probably not seeing him back for a long time.
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
By the way, MVPs like f you, Carlisle. I'm three
and one in the UFC and my loss was against
the top contender, So not everybody who comes over from
another promotion stinks.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
It up here in UFC. Who is his debut?

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Uh, let me pull it back up for you.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Well, he won his debut. His debut was Kevin Holland.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Oh, a winnable fight, right, A mid level fight, yes,
not like a top five contender that stylistically opposite of you.
You see what happens when you come over and you
play nicely with the UFC versus pounding your chest about
how you're the best in the world. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
And then the second fight was as lossy and Gary
and uh yeah one is last two now.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
And they were both very stylistically appealing, opportunistic bouts for MVP,
who just dominated these first two rounds and actually got
I'm gonna keep beating UNCHI might have like showed the
most aggression we've ever seen out of MVP, and maybe
a bit too much in the third round. Where Jared

(37:36):
Kanneier had his opportunities and obvious twenty nine twenty eight.
What do you think's next for MVP, who's now has
to be a top ten middleweight. I would assume he
has to be top ten. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
I think he's in a bad place because there's some
really good fighters still above him in the rankings, and
I don't think he can leap frog all of them,
like they're gonna have to suffer some losses on the way,
whether it's earning a title shot and losing or taking
each other out. Not saying he can't get there, but
he's gonna have to do some work, and then there's

(38:15):
some things that he has no control over that it's
gonna have to play out to get in title condition.
But yeah, he's look, he's almost certainly well. I say
almost certainly. He was unranked going in right so, which.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
I don't know how that was possible because he beat
Shara Bullet when Bullet was ranked like twelve in the
world that middleweight. But I guess they didn't like that
victory so they somehow changed it. But with Cannon here
at nine, you figure MVP somewhere in the rankings he'll

(38:48):
be as soon as they're updated. Robert Whittaker, do you
push for that fight? They He even said in the
postfight show, Hey Carlos Prothos wants to fight, and Dana
said okay. In Brazil in Rio October eleventh, MVP's willing
to cut back down in one seventy for that fight.

(39:09):
I think it's a hard matchup for Protests, who's not
that fast. MVP is like, I can expose his speed advantage.
MVP just trying to jump around divisions take big fights.
But I'm not sure what there is for him when
he gets to like the top eight at one seventy
or the top like six at one eighty five, there
begins to be some tricky matchups. I think.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Put it like this, He's still got some work to
do and there's people in front of him that things
have to play out.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
But if I'm any.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Of those people in the top seven or eight, I'm
not eager to take that fight. If I get the
phone call, I'm not saying I wouldn't take it, but
I might.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Would be looking for a more favorable matchup than MVP.
Protos wants to fight out. It's Ober eleventh, MVP call
for that one. It just makes simple sense. And I
wonder if the UFC allows it on the middle eight
side A Whittaker, Acosta, one of those familiar names. Any
of those make it interesting? Be fun fights?

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah, yeah, tim Elliott, almost two full years since his
last fight.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
The dude has loads of mental tenacity.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
He doesn't know. Yeah, and look, I and my apologies
to Tim Elliott. I probably should go back and rewatch
this because watching this, I was more on what the
fuck's up with Asakura? For all the hype, I am
seeing none of it than it was appreciating the job

(40:48):
that Tim Elliott did in that fight.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Felt like an even on the feet battle. Tim Elliott
figured out his entry to get it to the ground
in the first round, and at that point Osacar was fucked.
Not sure if they're just gonna send him back to
rise In, if he's gonna ask to go back to
Rising But this has not worked out Asakara thought. Elliott
jumps on the neck, gets that mount in guillotine. Huge

(41:13):
congratulations to him. It's a huge overcoming of circumstances. Everything
happened in his personal life the two years away. You
come back to get that kind of victory. Huge kind
of stuff, and if he's able to be active now
he's in his late thirties. But I wonder how many
people he can give trouble to in that flyweight division

(41:36):
with his just awkwardness.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
I think he's trouble for a lot of people. You're right,
age working against him for sure. Look to be fair
to Asakura, all three judges scored him winning the first round,
so it's not like he just got dominated. But obviously
the outcome coming off the Pantosia loss not what he

(41:59):
was hoping. And yeah, for whatever hype he had coming
in immediate title shot and all that, I don't know
that we see him fighting again in UFC.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Nearly helpless looking on the ground. Yeah, in these two fights,
that's not good. There's more depth at one twenty five
than we've ever seen. Maybe he gets one more fight.
Maybe for him, it's just better to take six to
eight months off, And well not even six to eight months,
we're talking about about three and a half months. You
disappear at the Rise and Show in New Year's and

(42:30):
they announced that you're coming back home, and I think
everybody will just wash it under the table. I don't
know if this hurts the expectations for Koitijaragucci, who was
Osaker's biggest rival in Japan. We know that he was
supposed to re debut in the UFC at the Azerbaijan
fight night. Injury has took that away from us. Does

(42:52):
this lower expectations now for a koit You hear a
Gucci who went and did really well in Bellatore and
rising after only faltering against DJ in the UFC.

Speaker 5 (43:05):
It's not fair, but it probably does at least a
little bit, right, that's unfairly. I I want to see
her Gucci come back, but it almost be better for
the USC to get rid of Asa Kara and then
bring back Horror Gucci, because you can't have them connected
to each other with the way that Asa Kara has
currently been performing.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
What on the prelim stood out to you Micah.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Uh Sussa Karaiev Uh Sussar Karaiev. One day, Well we'll
all learn to say his name. Obviously. He's a friend
of Colm's out. The US loves him. They let him
fight four days after earning a teep kick knockout victory.
Sasa Kayav. I think it is Sussar SEKAIAV. I'm gonna

(43:55):
learned this one day. I can say it right until
I'm on the mic. I swear I was practicing it early.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
You notice I'm not jumping in to try to help you, right.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yeah, I will make a fool on myself here. But
Eric Nolan landed a lot of stuff. I don't know
if it was the four day notice, if it was
an era of invincibility, but we need the Shining Prospect
to have a bit more concerned about his defense. He
got the room naked choke after showing out the grappling skills.
Of course he had that. That was a great one.

(44:24):
Michael O the Stayschek looks to have more confidence. He's
a fighting nerd. Now. That appears to have made a
difference where Gerald Mershar probably should be done. I think
there's a ceiling for Chase Hooper that we've now seen. Unfortunately,

(44:46):
because of some of the athletic limitations that he has,
the movement, the speed, it was just so much for
Hooper to handle. He wasn't able to close the distance
to get to his grappling and Alex under Hernandez we
said last week his big power, his ability to be
a knockout threat was always dangerous, and he got that

(45:06):
done in spectacular fashion at sim Barbosa should probably retire.
And then a real quick congratulations, Joseph Morales, thirty years old,
you win the ultimate fighter, pulled off an upset over
a highly talented prospect getting back to the UF. I

(45:27):
know that means a lot to Morales.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, for sure, for sure Chase Hooper only twenty five,
But I do have to agree it's not like talent
per se, it's Hernandez.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
He Then the athleticism, I think, yeah, what was the
difference there? And that, Look, you can train all you want,
you're probably not getting more athleticism. You can get stronger,
you can probably shed some pounds and get faster, you're
not getting more athletic.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
And for the faults that Charlo's old Vera had, he
was always athletic. It was the mental that seemed like
right kept O Lavera back with Hooper right now. There
was the laziness on the jab, there was some technical flaws.
I think he can improve, but I just don't know
if the handspeed, the flip speed is going to get there.
Hernandez was giving him such fits that you think about

(46:18):
that upper echelon that top fifteen. Every dude's an athlete.
It's really hard to be a technician in this day
and age, in a thought where martial arts used to
even that stuff up. That's when everything's equal now, when
they're just as good as martial art artist as you,
that athleticism difference just jumps off the plate base in

(46:39):
a way that I was kind of surprised to see.
Congratulations Fernandez and turning it around, and like I said,
that's a hard one for the Hooper fan base. It's
so hard. It's a little hard.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
All in all, UFC three nineteen.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I enjoyed it, even with a less than exciting main event.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
I could easily see this being a long pouring rain
from Chimaya and dominant. But I just don't know how
massively appealing and heralded it will be from a consumer
standpoint if it is this dominant, because it's hard to

(47:20):
not hear people give a certain when you talk about
GSP's run and they start thinking about those later fights
and chie Maya starting off the championship reign that way.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
UFC in China this weekend, six am Eastern Time, Main Card,
your prelims, at three am Eastern. Well, we'll talk about
that later, though.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
What else do we have this past weekend, Michaeh. So
we did have three world champions crown at the PFL
event back in your neck of the woods where you
once roamed North Carolina, the bo Jangles Arena in Charlotte,
a audience that looked happy to see Mma for the
first time in a long time.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
You ever had any Bojangles? Mica, No, what is that?

Speaker 3 (48:05):
I literally thought it was a funny word. Nice chicken.
It's chickens.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Bojangles famous chicken and biscuits. By the way, there's one
in Vegas now. It's not as good as the ones
back east. They don't do like whole chill like most
of the Bojangles back east. This is Southeastern chain. They're
branching out now breakfast biscuits, chicken sandwiches, fried chicken. It

(48:29):
seems the ones they're moving out here they're not doing
like fried chicken that they're just doing like boneless chicken
and chicken strips.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
So you don't get the full bow Jangles experience. But
next time in Vegas, I'll take you by there.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Let you get a little bit of Vegas or next
time you're in Florida, there should be Bojangles everywhere there,
you know.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
I actually haven't had my mother and sister who are
down there, and mentioned that that place we went to
in Utah Zaxby's. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a couple
of those by them. I don't know how that becomes something,
but yeah, not like it was high quality. I'm just
like I was the one chain we recognized.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Sorry to sidetrack the PFL talk, but you talked about
my neck of the.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Woods and then they were at the bow Jangles arena.
I had to bring up so real quick on the
Boajangles though, is there a comparatible flavor that I would recognize?
You'd say, to what theirs.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Is their cages? It's the chicken. Wise, I know it's better,
but probably for people who have never had it, Popeye's
is a good comparison.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Okay, I was wondering. I was gonna throw that out there.
Facetious though, Okay, PFL Marcelli alves outworks justin Wetzel.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Did ever mention I was a master biscuit maker in
high school at Bojangles Famous chicken and Biscuits. Micah, did
you know everybody, did you know a master biscuit maker.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
There's more than one thing that I that I'm a
never mind.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Let's let's roll on.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Shout out to Masceli Alvez Justin Wetzel. Both guys made
it to the Van Way finals of the tournament as alternates.
Alves had thought about quitting the sport going and getting
a real job. Five hundred thousand dollars later, huge win
for the Brazilian Liz Carmuch, the forty one year old wonder.
I'm a little upset with the ref because it's in
the ref's determination. Carl Moosh has a bucket list she

(50:13):
wanted to knockout. He took it away from her and
gave her the TKO. We thought it was a knockouts,
a massive left buck a couple grounded pound shots. Carmush
gets a PFL title go along with that, bellator belt,
gets the victory over Jenna Bishop and in the main event,
Alfie Davis outworks out points gashid Rajibaba, who got the

(50:34):
takedown in two rounds. By the end of the fifth round,
it was too late for it to really matter on
the on the score cards. Big upset there at lightweight
as Alfie Davis collects that one fifty five belt and
then he said something that made a lot of sense. Hey,
I want the winner of Paul Hughes versus Ousman Thermaga Meta,

(50:54):
which has been announced for the PFL Champions Series Dubai
returned to Dubai that's the main event. He wants the winner,
and then he says, I'll put the belt, the world
title back on the line in the global tournament. That's
probably how it should be. We'll see if PFL lets
that one come to fruition. Go over to ksminds dot
com to check out the whole list of announcements for

(51:16):
that Champion series. Wrote to buy card including Corey Anderson,
yak Shmir Moradov are gonna go at it for the
PFL light Heavyweight title, so you get a couple championship
bouts on that card. We also had LFA two fourteen
this past weekend, two title fights main event, co main event,

(51:36):
and this is kind of odd synergy both fights. Both
fights Carlisle and buy Tko at one minute and three
seconds of the first round, both of them. That's crazy
credible bodywork from Lucas Fernandez. He gets the double champ status.
He had the LFA middleweight title at one time, come

(52:00):
back now light heavyweight title. Looks like he really put
on the appropriate size with that extra twenty pounds and
it has turned into some vicious punching power. The Pedro
Hiszo train protege I wonder if we see him on
the Contender Series by the end of this summer, and
it could also be the same for the Florida Train
Russian David Alkadirev who just ripped a hole through John

(52:24):
Moore a left hook, right straight, crazy punching power, devastating knockout.
A lot of fun there from the LFA and from
the PFL. And not to mention, we also had BKB
this past weekend in Denver, Colorado. Seven for seven now
Alberto Blast in first round knockouts. The former BKFC champion

(52:48):
comes over MASI successful BKB debut and a shout out
to Patty Harres who won a majority decision in the
main event, exacting revenge. Now one in one with Courtney Cameron,
they have each stopped each other from grabbing the other's title.
Both were attempting to become double champs. In doing so.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Some news and notes.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Micah before we get into fight announcements and everything going
on this week, has Dana White cracked the John Jones code?
Instead of asking and begging, please do this, Please take
this fight, do this?

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Do that?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Dana was asked over the weekend the chances of John
Jones appearing on the fabled White House card this coming
July fourth put the odds at a billion to one.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
John's like, Hey, I'm gonna keep trading.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
I wanna do this.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
I'm gonna make it happen. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.
So rather than take this fight, let us throw money
at you. No, John, you can't do that. That's the
one thing that motivates John. Or do you think Dana
is serious? There's no way in hell I'm putting John
Jones on this card.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
I think Dana is serious. I think John seriously needs help.
I think that at this point you can't take it serious.
I did see that one website was reporting last week
according to the UFC in house testing whatever, that Connor

(54:17):
and John had both submitted samples, so they had both
been tested. So at least we know Connor and John
both are back in the testing pool. If you're in
the UFC, there's only one thing you can do. You
don't negotiate. You just keep sending John Jones contracts. Maybe
they're different dates, different venues, but you're just sending them
contracts with tom Asmaal's name when you want to fight.
That's the only thing left. I was wondering if you're

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gonna bring up the rumors that last week came out
that sources have said Saudi Arabia gave UFC the out
the green light to allocate thirty million dollars to pay
John Jones for the tom Asmonall fight, and Dana was
severely disappointed. Afterwards, we saw that depression live play out
because then John renicked and Dana thought John said to

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fight thirty million dollars.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
UFC came back, all right, thirty million dollars, We're good.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Then John's like.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Nah, I think I'm gonna retire allegedly as the story goes,
which is not a story that anyone from the UFC
is perpetuating.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Just one journalist who's represented by a TKO board member.
Who could that be? Well, I just more want to
illuminate the relations to the Board of Directors and how
he gets this information.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Oh yeah, well, I mean Ariel had it too.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Isn't that who I was talking about?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
You know?

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Oh, I thought you're talking about somebody else.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
But yeah, My point was going to be, say, board member,
what would be there's an in there somewhere.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Okay, gotcha, got you. I might be stealing something from
your fight announcements. I hope not, but if I am,
oh well, uh, Frankie Edgar ending his retirement.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yeah, it's in my final announcement.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Sorry, uh, not coming back to UFC, not coming back
to MMA, b KFC, Frankiegar. They're gonna be in his
neck of the woods in New Jersey.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
On October fourth, and he is ending his retirement Crudential Center, Newark,
New Jersey, Frankie's old stomping ground, gonna be taking on
fellow former UFC that Jimmy Rivera. Frankie was a bit
chinny when he was already in the UFC. He had
a tendency, like Eddie Alvarez, to get knocked down every fight.

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This is a brutal rough sport, and I think his
ability to take damage was already severely diminished from all
the beatings that Gray Maynard gave Frankiegar. I don't love
this career trajectory for FRANKI Edgar with you on that.
Gota sell a lot of texts that card. Interestingly enough,

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King of Violence title fight, Mike Perry got to get
your thought on this one. Jeremy Stevens, No, no, no, no,
no one has said a week wait yet. I don't
even I need to read the press lates again to
see if there is a contracted weight announced or just
the King of Violence title fight, because last time, to
my recognition, a recollection, I think Perry was fighting an

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eighty five maybe seventy five, and Stephen's last fight was
a I want to say fifty five.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
King of Violence title King of Violence.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
It's the same title that Perry won when he smashed
in Eddie Avarez's face. So it was the BELTI one,
not his last BKFC fight, but the one.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Before for that you got you Well, you know how
I feel about the bk of the BMF title, So
I can't feel that good about King of Violence.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
That being said, that should be a hell of a fight. Well,
and if you're gonna do a King of Violence and
you're even defending it, he got to spread the wealth
the Queen of Violence will be decided at the same
night at BKFC eighty two. Jessica Borgo, the one hundred
and forty five pound women's BKFC champion, the only woman
to score a clean knockout in BKFC history, is gonna

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take on the most decorated women's champion in BKFC, Christine Forarria.
One hundred and thirty five pounds or so, is what
we've been told. The whole hang up from what I
understood these two were going back and forth for a while,
was Foraria had said, Hey, I'm gonna move up to
one thirty five. Borga said, great, I'm the one forty
five champion. Let's cut the difference and go one forty.

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We'll both meet in the middle of our new weight classes.
For Rea's like, no, I'm already going up ten pounds
to thirty five. You can drop Dan down. Borga told
me she walks around at one point fifty. She wasn't
sure if she could make one thirty five with her
body fat. She's kind of muscled and ripped. Anyway, they're

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gonna work that out. I don't know what BKFC is doing,
but King of Violence, Queen of viol Frank Edgar October fourth, Newark,
New Jersey, also Bryce, Henry Jake Lindsay gonna be two
weeks later in Him and Indiana.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Are we headed towards a nasty divorce between Francis and
Ghanu and the PFL.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
I am a, yeah, that's what I kind of didn't
I pitch that to you a little bit ago when
Francis didn't show up to the event. Now we're getting
Francis's side of the discussion, and ye, I don't like
Francis and Ghanu. I don't like him coming out to
saying I felt like my PFL Africa was playing second
fiddle to how dare you put an ESPM plus supercard

(59:39):
on top of it? And we're like, no, motherfucker, that
was the draw to get the rest of the world
to care about South Africa for the night.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
To be fair to Francis, maybe if you know, Don
Davis doesn't come out and trash Francis for not going,
maybe Francis doesn't say anything, but yes, Francis had has
let his side of it come out, talking about how

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conversations with PFL executives involved a different vision for the
start of PFL Africa that he rarely communicates with Davis
and all that wasn't at the second show. What it's
just a couple of weeks ago. There's a lot of
going back and forth. I can't help but wonder if

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PFL would love to be out of this contract and
Francis and Ganu would kind of like to be out
of this contract as well, because I'm guessing he would
take the thirty million to fight tom Aspinall if he
had the ability the ability to do that. So I'm
wondering if both sides are realizing maybe this wasn't as

(01:00:50):
great of a move as we thought it was at
the time, and maybe they're.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Both looking for a way out of it. Quite possibly,
but I don't know from the Francis and Ghanu perspective.
If you could tell me what you think the PFL
re Nick don how they didn't treat you right because
they'll let you go cross over to boxing. They didn't

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really force you to do MMA. They've made you do
one fight, they still launched the PFL Africa. To at
least my what I'm seeing and you it seems like
a lot of the problems the PFL has with Francis
are the same kind of things. Dating had a problem
with Francis.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
You are not wrong with that, and that was something
that was a knock on Francis early in his career,
and he got a little bit humbled and came back
more focused, like the Prima donna esque attitude that maybe
has some of these public comments he gives off. I
will say this, and let's be really fair, Francis has

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gotten pretty much everything out of this deal that he
go of hoped for.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
He was allowed to box, made a crap ton of money.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Now I'm assuming that he thought, well, they'll go out
and sign me at least a couple of MMA guys
for me to come back to PFL and fight and
they'd be legit and and that hasn't happened. But I'm
not saying there's anybody out there that they could have
that they missed on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Either.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah, that the UFC has done a pretty good job
of locking down free agents or making everybody look undesirable.
Are you happy for Francis if it was the PFL
signing Martin Bunde or Jana or Rosenstruk, does that make
you smile? No? No, it does not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
So I mean there is that, But from an MMA standpoint,
I don't think this is working out the way Francis
thought it would. And unless they just got a shit
ton of money for letting Francis box, there's no way
that pfl's recouping their investment.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
I believe they did, or I believe it gave them
some kind of foothold. I would vote that one thing
you brought up if we could get the truth ceremony.
I wonder if we could hear what the expectations were.
Do you think there was some permutation of this person's
about to be a free agent or that person's about
to be a free agent. Because the PFL, it looks

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like they keep their guys active compared to what one
championship is doing with their heavyweight division. Anatolin Maulkin rook
roog of the more desirable heavyweights in the world, their
values are piss all from the inactivity of one championship.
And it's not like Octagon or KSW. The two bigger

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international powers that we don't talk about are really running
to bestow themselves a partnership with the PFL. So I
wonder from the Francis in Ganu perspective, what did he
expect or what did they tell him that they short
changed on? That would be very interesting to me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
I mean, look, they let him bok.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
The whole PFL Africa thing is, at least from the
outside looking in, it's almost Francis and Ganu vanity project, right,
or at least I guess that's what he thought it
was gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
And their second event did produce. I don't know if
you saw on Twitter a couple cool knockouts, So I
think we may get some value out of it from
the PFL International side. What other they're app values, But
that was supposed to be in Ghanu's baby. That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
So while we're on the subject of PFL and not
to just like crap all over them, but when one
of your fighters tweets out a picture of a clown
and says me leaving UFC to go to PFL, what
was I thinking? That Probably doesn't reflect well on you
as a company, does it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Nah, Derek Brunson just threw a dagger at PFL like
RDR was throwing at one championship. Yeah, just like Aaron Pico,
Pit Bull Patchie Max. We're all throwing at PFL. I
think Derek Bunsen's was a little more pointed, talking about
bullies their negotiation tactics. Remember we were talking about that

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with Gayguard, Mussac, right, Douglas Lima when they were oppressing
them to take less money, which oh yeah, remember gay
Guard got out, he's a free agent. We haven't heard
of him. Douglas Lima re signed a new contract, decided
to play ball. Oh look, he got the same fate
as gay Guard. We ain't heard of him either. So
no matter what happened, the PFL fucked over these veterans

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for Bellator, which is all the more reason why they
should have ever bought I know, I've beaten this dead
horse to death.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
They should have bought Belatoor. They should have waited for
Bellatory to close, grabbed a handful of guys they wanted,
and not be stuck with these people that you're like, well, yeah,
you renegotiate your contract, we'll fight you otherwise, good luck
to you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
You know what haunts me is that they left the
road to Dubai Champion Series logo. It looks like the
old Bellatore logo. It's like one of the last things
of Bellatore. They left them like change it to make
it look like a PFL logo. Just please do that
for me. But I digress. Yeah, that was a little
bit interesting though.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
I know I kind of ruined part of your fight announcements.
What else you got as far as that goes?

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Oh well, real quick, we were bringing up the PFL,
and I did want to give you an update that
I did here last week. One more year ESPN, one
more year. This season comes to an end this week.
We'll talk about in a moment, and there will be
one more global season that is contracted. And we'll see
after the twenty twenty sixth year if ESPN is still

(01:06:34):
in the MMA game as far as PFL or any
other upstart goes. But I did get a actual you know,
there you go. So for news notes, I don't think
we mentioned this one. Also Alvin Hines who saw to
make his debut going nuts inside of the ot the god.
He won the crowd, man, he won our hearts, and

(01:06:58):
now he won't fight for a year because as he's
accepted a period of ineligibility for a violation from the
UFC Anti doping policy. Yeah, our man was loaded on
junk and taking a year off now apparently now real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Of all the people on that card, if I said, Micah,
we were hypothetically putting odds who you think's on something,
he'd been like the next to the last person you named, right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
I wouldn't be surprised if this is just a case
of a guy who was on the regional scene and
was fighting for promotions that didn't have specifications of what
supplements you could take, and he was just probably taking
something without even knowing over the counter how ineligible it was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
I think he knew.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Maybe you had me up until he just didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
I think he knew, And it sounds like his crime
here was not telling UFC beforehand. He probably it would
have been okay, because in reading on the testing showed
he wasn't like actively on it. It had been a while.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
It was so his story that I had.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Taken it while I was on the regional scene.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
YadA, YadA, YadA.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
If you had just told him that it would have
probably been fine, it sounds like, but he didn't. So
then he tests positive multiple times, including day of fight.
So yeah, at that point you have to levy out
punishment and he's dead to write.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
So he's like, all right, I accept So still in
his system. We don't think actively cheating.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
That's that's what UFC said that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
I'm not saying it's peakograms, but stuff can stay in
your system for for quite a while. And it sounds
like that's what happened here, or at least that's what's
being portrayed as what happened here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
But yeah, I got the impression.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
If he had told him up front, he would have
been allowed to fight and all, it would have all been okay.
But when you don't see anything and then your test
coming back, yeah, they got to do something at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Big suspension. Now as far as the fight announcements going, God,
we were just feeding up this guy earlier. Patricio Pitbull's
being back in the Octagon really really quickly UFC paris
September six, and he is going to be welcoming. Ooh,
this is not great welcoming loose Nake Keita to the UFC.
This is a two division champion from Octagon, supposedly when

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the guys have got a sweeter welcoming deal, because champions
from Octagon and KSW who are now coming over recently
had been declining the option because they didn't want to
take the ten and ten. They're like, Hey, I'm getting
more in my home country. I could just stay here
and keep ruling and make a nice life for myself.
Looks like, though, we are getting the two division champion
ten wins by knockout of his sixteen. Let's get interested

(01:09:49):
about that one. Pitbull goes from Mei Rodriguez to Dan
Egay to your fighting in Paris against a two division welk,
you're facing your off now. Holy shit, this is a
start decline for Pitbull.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
The Paris thing makes sense all the international love with
the bellatur days, but yeah, this might make me question
my place in the pecking order.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Kwan Lee is replacing Carlos Vera. He takes on David
Martinez UFC no chan on September thirteenth. Jamie Malarkey versus
Orlando Bene is added to the UFC Perth card on
September twenty seventh. Hey, talking about bellatour champions getting tested, shit,
PATCHI Milks is mixed. Is welcoming Jacob wilk Zoch to

(01:10:38):
the UFC at UFC three twenty October fourth, Jacob the
ks w bataweight champion UFC kind of testing who was
really number two? In the world in producing the second
best talent. We also get a November.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
First, Patchy makes doing his UFC debut, Michael.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Exactly, and here we go again. God, they don't like
these bellat our guides. Kitlyin Vieira, Norma Dumont November first,
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Mario Batista's not like they threw him to the fucking wolves. Man.
No disrespect to Mario Batista, but I mean, I'm I'm
just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Well, was it like three weeks notice? Two weeks it was?
It was short notice? Some man, these guys that pound
the chest and say they're the best in the world.
The UC is like, mother fucking prove it. Maybe walk
softly and carry a big stick. You know.

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
That's what MVP and r DR did, and it seems
to have worked much more tactfully in their favors. Yeah,
I agree that did it on the fight announcements, Oh yeah, yeah,
we finished it, Dumont versus kate Lyn Vieira being rescheduled.
That was supposed to be I think UFC note check, yeah,
and instead it's pushed back to November first.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
So I was expecting more and then I realized I
stole one of yours. Which led us into like one
and a half more announcements as well. So that makes
total sense. Uh UFC, As we mentioned earlier, they are
in uh China this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
You Chang, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
You get a pair of top fifteen light heavyweights in
the main event. Ryan Ortega hasn't pulled out yet, he's
still in the Komin.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Dude, you get three top ten.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
I don't hate the top of this damn card. You're
not wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
I do not hate it at all.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Johnny Walker versus ying Ming Yang Zang and I'm not
even sure if I'm saying or is Jang Ming yang
jiang twelve fight win streak. This guy was like seven
and six at one point in his career, and his
one twelve in a row takes out Anthony Smith. He's
knocking guys dead. He hits from awkward angles. He has

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big power, and at this point in the UFC we
haven't seen him put on his ass. Might have been
hanging out with Alvin Hines.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
I don't know, I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
I don't know if he's that big of a mustard
medoch A coniment fan, I don't sure. And Johnny Walker
has been too extremes. He's been boring when he's been
too defensive because he hasn't been able to figure out
his style, or he's been recklessly entertaining. And even when
he's been in the middle, he kind of has this

(01:13:11):
tendency because of his six foot seven frame to hold
his chin up high to pull back on his head.
I feel like there's a real recipe for Johnny Walker
to look up at the lights. I think that it
would be best for him if he goes a little
more vaulter Walker and looks to implement his jiu jitsu
game in here. That being said, I just don't know
if he's able to hone in his style enough and

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be calm and composed in that manner. It's a big
opportunity for Jang, and I think he's gonna thrive in China.
I would not be surprised. I'm with you on that
serious question.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Brian Otaga al Jamayine Sterling number four, number seven Featherweights,
we really think this fight's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
I feel like a deplorable human being for saying I
just don't see Brian Ortega making weight all the way
around the world in Shanghai, China. It's hard for me
to see him make you one forty five all the
way around the world when he had so many problems
doing it down the street. Or maybe that was the problem.
Maybe he was too close to home, maybe there were
too many of those outside noises coming in and affecting him.

(01:14:15):
But supposedly I heard it on a podcast. The dude's
getting married in like a month and now you're flying
around the world that China to take a fight. I
don't know if I like where Brian ortegas heads at
more or less. I don't know if I've liked where
his fight games at. You should like this matchup in
the terms of maybe he can catch Aldreamaine Sterling's neck,
aljaminer Sterling's gonna give him the opportunity to grapple. But

(01:14:37):
I feel like the demise of Brian Ortega has just
been consistent, and Aljermaine Sterling, well, he might not be
somebody that we think of is totally on the rise.
He's awkward, he's hard to deal with, and he's in
a camp where the other guys like Nazakhov, like Morab,
they're really showing some spectacular results. So I wouldn't be

(01:14:57):
surprised if this is a starling performance, one off of
a lot of control and just being the better grappler.
I'm with you on that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Sergay Pavlovitch, Serge sorry versus Waldo Cortes a Costa winner
against John Jones at the White House.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Man, You're almost been like a Pettis brother right there,
So I know, right yeah, that was my bad winner
gets who at.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
The at the White House John Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Okay, I still.

Speaker 6 (01:15:25):
Don't think you're If you're the UFC, you do anything
besides just repetitively send John Jones contracts for tom Asminal,
because we're making you take this fight, and now we're
doing it on our price.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
You had the thirty million, now we're doing it at
whatever your two million dollar payday is. And we're just
getting this damn fight because the people deserve the fight.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
See if I I fully pay, to hell with the people, to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Hell with the people.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
I'm not giving John Jones the damn fight we wanted
to take. This motherfucker relinquished the belt and retired. You're
gonna have to You're gonna have to work a little
bit before I give you the privilege of fighting Tom aspinall.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
But that's just me, and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
You're probably a lot closer to being right on this
than I am.

Speaker 6 (01:16:07):
If there was any any challenges for John Jones on
the heavyweight division, I feel like I'm on board with you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
But okay, that's what I'm saying this part of the fight,
that's what I'm saying. Pavlich is not a test for
John Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
No, I agree, but.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
We wanted everybody to get rich.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
You fighting Aspinall, you decided to retire and relinquish the belt.
Now you want to come back and fight at the
White House. I'll entertain the idea of you fighting, but no,
we're not giving you a chance to get to get
the belt back yet. You're gonna fight for whatever your
regular purse is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Look in a really easy, winnable fight. Yeah, yes, okay, Well,
if you're John Jones, I guess you take the two
million on top of it and you keep on rolling
and you see if your body can make it through
a fight camp healthy. That would be the biggest challenge
in that one. S. Pavlich is a power puncher.

Speaker 6 (01:16:57):
But the problem is is that Tom Aspinall took his
confidence and then Alexander Volkov pissed all over it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
This is not the same killer. I like his chances
here against Waldo cortez A Coosta because Corteza Coosta is
not the diverse threat. I wonder how Corteza Costa is
going to be affected by the fact that Kve of
Alaskas is now incarcerated. King of Alaskas had been the
main figure in Corteza Costa's corner for I believe at
least his last two, if not three UFC fights. I

(01:17:27):
believe that having Kain of Alaskas push you be there
in the gym, that can only make you better. I
don't know how you replicate that with Cain being gone.
I don't know if just the jab overhand right that
we know is deadly from Corteza Costa is going to
be enough to nullify what is a stronger all around
game for Sergey Pavotch. So this comes to shove. I

(01:17:48):
like Pavlach, more explosive, more well rounded. These are heavyweights, though,
and Pavitch is not the same guy that burst onto
the scene and felt like a sure thing UFC title
challenger one day. Yeah, are you tempted enough? Though? Because
of the mental fragmentation, the up and down performances of

(01:18:09):
Pavlots in the last couple to take Courtesa Costa or
do you think no, this is a point where the
talent is too great to be exposed by somebody that's
so fresh into the sport. Courtza Costa. Let's not forget
he spent most of his life playing baseball, not fighting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I like Pavlovich.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Here one five Suma Darci versus Kevin Borhaus. Shit, it
might be the most entertaining fight on the main card.
They both would rather strike. They both have some flare
and flash to their game. I think that one could
be an absolute darling on an entertainment level.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
I don't disagree.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
That might wind up being your fight of the night.
On the prelims, we got a couple interesting ones. Kyle Dakas,
who went one and four in the UFC. He went
back to the regional scene, won a SEAFC title right
away from Chris Brown gets the short notes call to
the UFC and it's gonna take on Michelle Pereira. I
think that unless Perreira has really diminished, this should be

(01:19:12):
his fight. Doccas is not gonna be the more athletic fighter.
He has an opportunity to grapple. But this is something
where Pereira should be able to come in, land some
big shots to the body and get Dorcas out of there.
If not, I think this could be the downfall of Preira.
You lose this one to a short noticed guy coming
back who is strictly a wrestler. Now watch out of

(01:19:34):
Kryle Doccas's Darris joke. He is the Darris Knight, but
outside of that, literally it's his nickname dude. Other than that,
he doesn't pose a lot of threats on the feet.
So I think that Pereira should be able to deal
with what's coming at him. But if he's just done for,
which I think might be the case, I won eighty five,

(01:19:54):
He's gonna lose this one, So it's highly intriguing. From
that narrative perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
I think his skill set is greatly diminished. I think
he probably is done for, but I still think he wins.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
We also have several from Asia fights for Long Long
Zhao versus Sung one you don't know much about either
one of them, excited to see it. Loner Cavanaugh nine
to zero versus Charles Johnson. I've heard a lot of
people with very takes on this fight. I've heard from

(01:20:26):
he doesn't have the wrestling to be able to give
Johnson troubles because Johnson usually struggles with grapplers. He's great
against other strikers. We saw his comeback win over Joshua Vance,
so you know he's always a threat length, speed power
at one twenty five a problem dealing with grapplers. Kavana unbeaten,
not a grappler, but I've heard some think that his speed,

(01:20:49):
his angles, and his combinations make him special. You gotta
highlight that one at one twenty five because that's just
the kind of fight where Johnson pulls off an upset.
But a lot of people are saying, no, Kavanaugh is
the real deal and can exceed above it. Wrongs you
versus Austin Hubbard. Also, I just got a sneaky feeling

(01:21:10):
that both guys back are against the wall. Wrong show's
one to one here. In his second stint with the UFC,
Austin Hubbard was a tough finalist. Has it really caught
momentum since coming off of the show. I think it's
a loser leaves town kind of notoriety right there.

Speaker 6 (01:21:26):
Hubbard hard leg kicks runs you explosive striking.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Something's got to give with those two.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
You got the pre limbs three am Eastern time on ESPN,
plus your main card six am Eastern ESPN, plus.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Whole lot of coffee. I'm telling you from watching PFL
and LFA, which I'm about to tell you about on
Friday night. Take a nap and jump up Saturday morning.
I'm gonna be an interesting follow on X Guys. As
I'm talking about these, it's halfway awake.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
You know, if you sleep in till eight or nine,
it'll still be there on.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
The plus for you, but I won't be there to
talk about it on social media. Live, well, what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
I think I could find a way to cope with that,
but that's just me.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
I need to see what happens. I might be able
to maybe wake up just a little bit before the
main card and kind of skim through the prelimbs that
might be the most sleeping and.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
I do what else we got this weekend? Mikeah Well,
I mentioned.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
That the PFL it is the final PFL Global event
of twenty twenty five, so don't worry you look at
the Champions Series up on ESPN, But for these global tournaments.
We're finishing it off here. Three finales. If they cannot
be more disrespected, at least the last time I saw it.
Maybe it's changed by now, and it should. Alexander Romanov,

(01:22:48):
Old Legg Popov. The heavyweight finals is scheduled to be
the featured prelim on ESPN Plus. Tell me, PFL, it
ain't so change that shit up. Your heavyweights cannot be
on prelims. It's only your fault if you don't think
you put it together an exciting enough crop. Pop Off

(01:23:10):
would rather strike Romanov, we know, would rather wrestle. Something's
got to give between the two European fighters. In the
light heavyweight tournament finals, you got wrestler Sullivan Coley, who
has showed to have big power in his hands, takes
on the jiu jitsu ace the former PFL champion Antonio
Carlos Junior. And in the main event it's Fabian Edwards,

(01:23:32):
we know, tremendous counter striking striker. He's taking on Dalton Rosta,
who is another bowl of a wrestler coming out of
American Top Team LFA is in Ventura, California. LFA two
fifteenth's on UFC Fight Pass, Richie Miranda is defending the
LFA lightweight title against Israeli Il Barzella, who's seven and zer.

(01:24:00):
And then in the co main event you have Eduardo
Chaplin defending the LFA flyweight title against the eight and
two Devin Loja. So you got LFA Action with a
couple title fights on Friday night, you got the PFL
with those three tournament finales, three title belts, five hundred
thousand dollars online in each one of those fights for

(01:24:23):
the winners, and of course the next morning, a couple
hours later, you got that incredible UFC event from UFC Shanghai.
I don't have the card in front of me right now,
but also I believe on UFC Fight Pass or ESPN
plus you do have the road to UFC event all
on Friday, which interestingly enough, I believe does include besides

(01:24:44):
the four you wrote to UFC fights, one or two
official UFC fights will be on that card as well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Gotcha anything else?

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
Oh god, there's probably always something else going on. Check
out cageminds dot com because there's a lot going on
over there. Cage Minds Combat Sports News on Facebook and YouTube.
It's at cage Minds, Underscore, CSN TikTok x Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
You can get the show on x at m m
A After Hours. You can find me at Real Mike Carlisle.
We will talk to you next week for another episode
of m m A After Hours here on the After
Hours podcast network.

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Love combat Sports. I have a website for you, cageminds
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